h1-discussion

[formal sinew]

Or beating hades without hitting him once

Coz I just watched someone on YT walk in, stand there and do nothing

And win

[brisk trail]

Wait so do I not get a victory screen this run?

[formal sinew]

With all them punishing boons

[formal sinew]

Nope

I also think it doesn't count towards times

[brisk trail]

Does it show up in my records?

I at least want to be able to screenshot the build

[formal sinew]

I...idk

[brisk trail]

||https://prnt.sc/V0sbggPngcft || this scene making me so happy oml

Wow, this game has credits??

Did I WIN?

Did I beat the game?

[verbal lotus]

kinda

just epilogue left

[formal sinew]

Not the true ending really.

[brisk trail]

There's a true ending?

Like hollow knight's true ending?

[formal sinew]

||Family reunion time by maxing out all gods||

Yea

Except less sad

[brisk trail]

oh okay, so up my favor with just the ||olympian gods|| or everyone?

[formal sinew]

I'd just do everyone you can

But yeah, first thing

[tired karma]

It will take time though

And story goes on even after that btw

[brisk trail]

So I got the ending (10 hades kills, credit roll) and I still have several things I have no idea how to unlock

Literally all of the hidden aspects, as well as whatever this "stash" business is under my keepsakes. Also, what's up with the "companion" stuff in my logs? Do I get some kind of pet?

Can cerb follow me around destroying everything?

[verbal lotus]

speaking of maxing the gods. ive been trying for a while and im not unlocking the final hearts. Is thier a hidden requirment to completing favors? Ive beaten 8 runs in a row and athena still hasnt unlocked

[brisk trail]

Does this all have to do with high heat runs?

[verbal lotus]

companions are items given from gifting ambrosia to certain charcters

[brisk trail]

Also, hades never gave me a keepsake, despite players saying he would. Were they talking about ||persephone's keepsake||?

[verbal lotus]

they both have one

just give nector

[brisk trail]

I've never once had an opportunity to give ambrosia

[brisk trail]

But my keepsakes are full..?

https://prnt.sc/MPnNpp3SRdGa

[verbal lotus]

ambroisa is only giftable after you gift nector 5 times

[brisk trail]

I'm not missing any

[verbal lotus]

yeah u are lol

idk why ur arguing

[brisk trail]

because there were these cute little things that showed a hidden keepsake

And I have no more of those

[verbal lotus]

i just used it idk what to say

[brisk trail]

Game's glitched I guess

[verbal lotus]

its not

its desgined that way like how it doesnt show all prophvies at the start

some things get revealed as u progress

[brisk trail]

Well, it's just weird, because if that was the case, the whole "giving an exact number of hidden slots" thing was really arbitrary huh

they could have pretended there were 3 keepsakes in the whole game if they wanted to

I'm not sure why they made the hidden slots stop at the 4th slot in the 3rd row

It can really mislead an individual into thinking that's simply all that's available

Next you'll tell me there's a 5th aspect for each weapon that doesn't even show up because the "hidden aspects" aren't as hidden as the 5th aspect

[verbal lotus]

i dont remember but i assume persophones didnt show in the keepsake slot either

it makes sense hades is hidden as it could be a story spoiler

[brisk trail]

I think it did, actually - I was missing one at the end for most of my runs, as well as Than's

I just picked up Than's and persphone's and "completed" my collection

[verbal lotus]

keepsakes are tokens of somones care so for u to see ur evil dad has one eventually is a spoiler

anyways if u wanna get the true ending its kinda annoying im tryna do it rn

u need lots of nector

[brisk trail]

yeah someone already told me

||gift the olympian gods repeatedly||

[verbal lotus]

yeah but also make sure to gift than, dusa and meg wheneber possible

its needed fro aphro favor.

[brisk trail]

Weird

[verbal lotus]

also talk to nyx and chaso as often as possible for thier epilogue thing

[brisk trail]

i always do that anyway xD

[verbal lotus]

u can trade gems for keys which can then be traded for enctor

[brisk trail]

ye ye

[verbal lotus]

also gift hades evey time u see him and after u gift him 5 times hell just give u 5 back so its free story progres

[brisk trail]

So, who all can uhhh give a companion

Cus I'd like at least one

[verbal lotus]

than, dusa, meg (best one imo), boulder dude, achieles, skelly

[brisk trail]

thank you!

(weird, I haven't been able to gift Sisyphus lately.)

[verbal lotus]

make sure to talk to bouldy also to progres shis story

[brisk trail]

you can TALK to BOULDY?

[verbal lotus]

.... yeah lol

nothing happens

like charon but u can still interact

[brisk trail]

gotcha

What about the supportive shade (in theseus arena)? Will interacting with them enough eventually do something?

Or are they just there to make me happy

[verbal lotus]

evntually he has a banner of ur face

thats it as far as im aware

[brisk trail]

okoi

well, now that I've beaten the game (sorta) by beating Hades 10 times, I must declare...

My favorite character in this game...

Is still..

[verbal lotus]

poseiden

[brisk trail]

The chef ghost ❤️

[peak orbit]

ME lol

[brisk trail]

he's cool too forsure

But shade chef is literally perfect in every way and I will not hear any slander.

[peak orbit]

Chef is nice

But my favorite is still Artemis

[brisk trail]

Okay okay if I had to pick a favorite major character, since I have the abnormality of liking a minor character the most, it would be Dio. As a fellow hedonist I think we'd really get along

[peak orbit]

ayy

[verbal lotus]

thats so funny

im literally in the middle of writing a paper on why hedonism is stupid

using Nizecks experience machine as an example

[brisk trail]

and the beautiful part about hedonism is that it dictates not to care about such papers and to instead seek pleasure

Who is happier

[verbal lotus]

imma send u my paper when im done lol

im talking about how the persuit of solely pleasure is decadent and doesnt nessarcily mean happiness

if psychologists have figured out a way to stimulate a person's brain to induce pleasurable experiences that the subject could not distinguish from those he would have apart from the machine. would you enter the machine?

[brisk trail]

Sure, pop it in my DMs, but I can't promise I'll engage too much xD too busy burning out all of my neurotransmitter receptors by concentrating as much dopamine and serotonin into my waking existence as possible

[brisk trail]

yes

Some wouldn't, but I've seen enough of reality to know any other reality is just as legitimate. (and no less absurd)

Also as much as I love discussing philosophies on life, I think we're getting just a tad bit outside of #h1-discussion territory. My DMs are open to you if you'd like to tell me more about how my outlook on life is harmful.

[verbal lotus]

lol i dont think its harmful

[brisk trail]

err, sorry, "stupid"

[verbal lotus]

but will do

[formal sinew]

Prepare to cry once you reach 11 Heat

With any weapon

Just...be ready

[violet oriole]

I can’t wait to play this game

[formal sinew]

1 or 2?

[violet oriole]

1

Idk if I’ll get 2

If it’s 60 bucks I can’t get it man

Not sure how indie games like these work

[verbal lotus]

def not 60

proabs 40 tops

realistically id expect 30 but we dont know the scale

[violet oriole]

Do you think they’ll do post launch content

Well dlc

Story expansions and what not

[slim geyser]

i did a hunger games simulator of hades characters

persephone won both times lol

theseus also died first both times

[slim geyser]

i dont think so but

[violet oriole]

Damn

I wish they did

Then again the fun and thrill of this game is to keep trying like it’s a souls game

[slim geyser]

tbf we didnt think theyd make a sequel so

[violet oriole]

I’m just glad it’s revived

[brave thicket]

how do I get surface fishing spots?

[gray apex]

rng

[tired karma]

Someone said that the company was formed to make hades but they weren't ready
So all other games are them practicing on specific mechanics before making hades

[sturdy nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772588531415384086/1052551198395342868/image.png
Aw hell nah bruh 💀

[ionic minnow]

Dionysus moment

[gray apex]

What weapon even is that

[sturdy nimbus]

Achilles

[gray apex]

Oh can just take the Special then

[tired karma]

Zag is ripped

[glossy quiver]

I cannot explain how frustrated i am
when on a run with artemis and laser lady
had ALL the boons required and the game just wouldnt give me artemis legendary or duo boon

[simple vault]

sad

i died to dad with him having a sliver of hp left

[tired karma]

That sucks the most on high heat run

I think I lost once while hades had like 10 hp

[slender ingot]

if i have done the random limited time trade 2 times before will it still come back in future?

[violet oriole]

Hey anyone on Mac

I can use some help installing Steam

nvm

i got it installed

[rough bough]

how do i get gilgamesh aspect?

[high island]

Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[ionic jackal]

How different was the og early access version of Hades from the final product?

[slender fossil]

when it wasnt a different game entirely there were a few differences

[compact olive]

Hi guys

What is Hades Monthly Challenge?

[umbral shoal]

Does Asterius have any differences when you face him as a midboss with Middle Management enabled? I didn't notice anything in particular

[slender fossil]

the main difference is you don’t have to listen to Theseus

[short glen]

^ asterius operates on special rules

[tardy adder]

I can't get Asterius to unlock the hidden aspect of the fist. No matter how many times I run into him alone wearing the fists he's just not saying the words

[twilit lodge]

He will eventually as long as you have the prerequisites

[tardy adder]

I have put 9 bloods in the fist and reached the surface quite a few times now. What more does he want from me?

[latent moon]

good rng lol

[tardy adder]

Every time I'm running into him he's just talking about how great Theseus is

[latent moon]

oh you might be advancing a different plot line i think

[tardy adder]

Different plotline?

[latent moon]

where theseus and bull have a small falling out maybe?

i would assume so

[tardy adder]

I don't know if you're serious or not

[fallen fjord]

is there a detailed Spear build guy similar to that really good "Scuffed Hera Bow guide"?

[latent moon]

i am

[latent moon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit
its only for achilles because that's the best spear for speedrunning tho

[fallen fjord]

yea i think im gona be playing Achiles thank u very much

[raw herald]

It’s a little out of date but will still net some good times

[fallen fjord]

yea im not looking for perfect a general guide will do wonderfully

Whats that boon that fully heals you at fountains? I love that boon so much

so useful

[latent moon]

strong drink i believe

[fallen fjord]

nice thing to have

[latent moon]

it's neat yeah

[twilit lodge]

He wants you to have guan yu unlocked

[fallen fjord]

Supporting Fire + Frost Burst on hera is such a funny combo

[tardy adder]

Is that really a requirement? I thought putting 5 bloods and beating Theseus were the only requirements

[twilit lodge]

That really is a requirement

The requirements are

**·**Talk to Asterius about the fists in the miniboss fight
**·**Have Guan Yu unlocked (don’t have to spend blood to get it to level 1 just have received the phrase from Achilles and maybe interact with the spear)
**·**Spend 5 Blood on Fists

And then you’re eligible for asterius to tell you the phrase for the fists in miniboss room

You only need the fists equipped for the conversation with asterius where he comments on you using them

The second conversation where he gives you the phrase can be with any weapon

[tardy adder]

Okay thank you. I would have grinded for eternity if you didn't help

[slender ingot]

does anyone wanna vc while i play?

[fallen fjord]

https://imgur.com/a/UQ6kXLI you love to see it

[tardy adder]

To unlock Guan Yu do I need to spend blood on all the weapons or any 2 should do it? Because I have the Nemesis aspect and Talos and Demeter aspects unlocked. That's 5 Titan blood there but I didn't get any dialogue from Achilles to unlock Guan Yu yet

[twilit lodge]

Spending it anywhere except zagreus aspects

Works

Just keep talking to Achilles

And you have to have fought hades at least once

Don’t have to have won

Ooh wait no my memory is bad

For guan yu it’s unlock 5 aspects

For future reference the unlocks for the hidden aspects are all pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[misty gorge]

What a nice build I have going on-
Demeter: EEYYYY WAZZUUUUUUP ITS MEEEEEE

[tardy adder]

Found it. Thank you.

[misty gorge]

Only good thing to pick from her is if you're in a 1 choice room early on and she gives you the evolving boons perk
And I mean a case of when you're NOT trying to make a demeter build

[twilit lodge]

She’s a pretty good support god for builds that can utilize snurst

Otherwise yeah she’s kinda mid

Especially if you have Athena in your pool

[fallen fjord]

how come you dont see Key doors outside of the first biome really?

I like rerolls 😦

[misty gorge]

Literally as I said to myself
Yeah I'm going for poseidon/artemis/ares combo
She shows up in 3rd room

[twilit lodge]

You do sometimes

But mainly it’s because you’re using dark foresight

Or should be

You can always trade 10 gemstones for a key at the broker

[fallen fjord]

ah thats right

[twilit lodge]

Way better than wasting a room on a key (if there’s another option)

[fallen fjord]

i mean i have many keys but the only way to obtain another reroll token during run sometimes it would be better choice if your build it okay

it seems

[misty gorge]

Trying to get the RGB combo on beowulf to pulse like there's no tomorrow
If I'm not mistaken, with aquatic pulse and double cast I should get 18 pulses with 3 stones

[twilit lodge]

Oh duh

For some reason I thought you meant mirror reroll? Idk

I haven’t had my coffee this year

[misty gorge]

Oh yeah keys do give you a D20

[twilit lodge]

Isaac moment

[misty gorge]

No that's literally how that dice looks
A d20

[fallen fjord]

oh lol i didnt specify sry. Yea rerolls are so nice sometimes. And playing Hera i often have to blow them on Chaos rerolls early

[twilit lodge]

You don’t have to

[misty gorge]

But if you don't
How you'll unga bunga 7 cast stones

[twilit lodge]

Sometimes it’s better to just take whatever chaos boon doesn’t give a bad penalty

[fallen fjord]

true i dont have to. But there are too many attractive cast options in the Chaos family of boons to not want to reroll

[twilit lodge]

And enjoy the time saved from the free room

Especially if you find yourself needing more rerolls later in a run

[fallen fjord]

true

taking gold gains usually is very useful cause u just buy your way out of trouble a lot of the time lol

[misty gorge]

Rule of thumb
Don't reroll more than once and only if the choices don't suit you
Like seeking specific really boon for combo

[twilit lodge]

And never reroll for higher rarity lol

Except maybe c1

Since you can just give up and start over knowing that you shouldn’t have rerolled

Or if you do get a better rarity then you can just take it

[misty gorge]

Rarity is just a cherry on top really
There aren't many cases where rarity makes or breaks a run

[fallen fjord]

yes i never reroll more than once

[misty gorge]

Speaking of which I still need to do a boonless run with the shackle

With zag blade

[twilit lodge]

I did Hestia for my 100% Olympian-free run

[misty gorge]

The .50 cal rifle

[twilit lodge]

Zag blade sounds rough for boonless

[slender fossil]

i didn’t do a no boons run

[twilit lodge]

Since zag blade likes RD

Nemesis could do boonless probably

Easily, that is

[misty gorge]

I want zagreus because its what you start with
So it would be a fitting circle of
Hey I began with it, now I fished with it

Especially thanks to SCHELLEMEUS I have it at rank 5 so

[slender fossil]

i won with the sword so thats good enough for me

[misty gorge]

I'm convinced skelly is odysseus
I will not elaborate

[tired karma]

do u want to have dance emotes in hades 2

[drowsy horizon]

Ok I do not know if I am missing a prerequisite or something but I just can not get chain skewer for spear. I can't tell if im unlucky or what, but I just have never encountered it through over 20 runs or so. I have started to take fated authority so I can just reroll for hammer early and restart if I dont get it, and ive rolled like another 20 hammers in the last 2 days and still have not gotten it. I'm using the default spear aspect, aspect of zagreus. Am I doing something wrong or am I just unlucky?

[raw herald]

Just unlucky

[void vigil]

you cant reroll hammers, and you just have to get lucky with seeing it. its also incompatible with achilles aspect, guan yu aspect and the exploding launcher hammer

[fallen fjord]

https://imgur.com/a/p6ENOnX is there anything else i can do to unlock more contracting work that will add benefits for me on runs or is it pretty much done?

[drowsy horizon]

yeah, I meant I was rerolling the rooms until it showed hammer. I've made sure to avoid those aspects and the exploding special one. I guess I'll just keep at it until I find it 😢

[void vigil]

oh i see, i misread the message

good luck getting it! rng can be mean

[misty gorge]

So I may be stupid but
When going with Arthur aspect I first take poseidon on attack
But then switch to aphrodite
This way I guarantee myself at least rare for attack

[twilit lodge]

Guarantee… if you get the 10% replace chance

[misty gorge]

Plus first zone is fairly cramped space wise
So they get bonked around a lot

That's why i said I'm stupid

But since I learned that replacing gives higher rarity
Sometimes I just take boons that are good, but I'll also possibly replace down the run
That's how I ended with two heroic boons once

[drowsy horizon]

oh wow, i got it right after i read this

thanks

[void vigil]

yayy

[drowsy horizon]

finally done spear prophecy 🥲

[misty gorge]

They have appeased the rngeezus

[drowsy horizon]

🙇‍♂️

[misty gorge]

Or should I say
Rngeezeus

[fallen fjord]

any simple gun build for newbie?

[twilit lodge]

Zeus attack

[fallen fjord]

(no aspects unlocked)

[twilit lodge]

Static discharge

[fallen fjord]

ahh kinda like newbie spear

[twilit lodge]

Aphrodite special, Zeus call, smair duo

[fallen fjord]

cool that'll work ty

[twilit lodge]

The gun is a melee weapon so take tidal dash

[fallen fjord]

how is it a melee weapon lol

ive never used it tho

[twilit lodge]

You dash strike and stay close to enemies

[fallen fjord]

oh so it kinda plays like base spear then

is there any way to pre- reload on the rail?

[mint coral]

there is a reload button if thats what you mean

on controller by default is r3

[fallen fjord]

oh hmm

[slender ingot]

i havnt beat the final boss yet, but i have both baowulf and author. Which should i use of these two?

[rustic vale]

Personal preference

[slender ingot]

oh ok

[mint torrent]

anybody wanna critique my run as I go along?

I'll be streaming my run in the Hollow Knight server

[brisk trail]

Is the broken spearpoint even good on Hades? I feel like it's decent for rooms where you get swarmed, but despite the adds, I don't really find myself getting chain-hit very often during that fight, it's typically messing up a dodge and getting thwacked for big-ish damage by the circle slash or getting hit by his lasers once or (maybe twice) before dashing behind a rock

I feel like cerb collar is what I'd go for

(I've killed hades 10 times already, but am reconsidering keepsakes)

[latent moon]

Spear point is taken mainly for styx not the dad fight

It cures poison so it's pretty nice

Poison every however many seconds anyways

[latent moon]

Acorn or tooth would be better defensively btw

Tooth vs collar depends on amount if DDs left

[gray apex]

Spearpoint is also solid for EM4 if you have a big enough health pool

[ionic minnow]

If I have more DDs, collar is better, right? I find I usually reach hades with 2-3 DDs left, I've gotten pretty good at rooms

[brisk trail]

What does acorn do again?

[latent moon]

If you have 2 it's gonna be the same

If you have 3 collar is better

[latent moon]

Immune from boss damage for 3/4/5 hits

Won't help you in regular encounters, but against dad it's gonna neutralize a ton of damage

Assuming you don't get hit by adds

[rustic vale]

It’s good for styx

[ionic minnow]

Does triple shot SUCK

but only my middle one hits crap

WHAT

I took this weapon for RANGE

I take SO MUCH DAMAGE being close to things

[rustic vale]

Shotgun them

[rustic vale]

Then don’t take triple shot then

Triple shot gameplay is just dash in, dash strike, dash away

[ionic minnow]

pardon me for thinking the bow was a ranged weapon

[rustic vale]

It can be though?

You don’t have to take and use triple shot

[ionic minnow]

Also i find dash-striking with the bow to be the hardest dash-strike of any weapon

It's like, you have to hold and charge it a little, can't just click

[rustic vale]

Dash striking is the gameplan for every single weapon

aside from castpects

and clockets

[ionic minnow]

okay but consider: how do you dash-strike with a bow consistently?

[rustic vale]

You just do

[ionic minnow]

What controls do I press

[rustic vale]

Dash
Strike

[raw herald]

Dash then attack

[ionic minnow]

Do I hold attack or just tap attack

[high island]

Dash > hold Attack > release for Power Shot

[rustic vale]

Hold to powershot

[high island]

Charges quite a bit faster than a standing Attack.

[ionic minnow]

So it won't turn into a normal shot as long as I trigger it after I just dashed?

[gray apex]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Yes

[high island]

Yeah, window is quite lenient.

[ionic minnow]

Okay, I think I see now. I was used to dash strikes being this really really really really fast thing you do, but realize because of the charge it's simply slower on the bow

It's not like flurry jab on spear

[rustic vale]

Well
Dash striking is always faster*
Except for with heroic swift strike

[high island]

Bow Dash-Strike is not really explained well in the game tbh.

[ionic minnow]

Does dash striking do more damage

[rustic vale]

it’s faster

not more damage

[gray apex]

On bow it's a little less

[short glen]

And Arthur if you don't feel like it

[ionic minnow]

Less damage ;-;

[rustic vale]

But it’s faster dps

[high island]

A little less damage, but you get bonus damage from Dash-Strike boons, so it ends up being more damage a lot of the time.

[ionic minnow]

But more dps I guess yeah

[ionic minnow]

Hmmm I'll need to find artemis then

[high island]

And yeah, more DPS because it charges faster.

[gray apex]

Artemis' dash is pretty good

[brisk trail]

Sorry to interrupt but is Kiilling Freeze good

[high island]

Find Chaos Gates for Attack/Dash-Strike damage.

[gray apex]

Yes

[high island]

Killing Freeze is great.

[fallen fjord]

is there a rail gun guide similar to ‘scuffed Hera bow’ guide u sent me by chance?

[rustic vale]

👍

[brisk trail]

ok awesome ty

[high island]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[slender ingot]

how do you get the lyre for the music fate thing? because the option to have the work guy make it isnt there

[ionic minnow]

Have you completed Orph/Eur's questline?

[slender ingot]

is it ok if i dm u

just cos im gonna need to remember what ya say 🙂

[rustic vale]

Don’t worry about story spoilers for this channel

[ionic minnow]

honestly probably not because I don't know as much about this x_x

Shackle, would you be able to answer sandy's question effectively?

I'm fuzzy on the details of the lyre

[rustic vale]

Problem is no lyre available in work orders?

[ionic minnow]

yeah, are there any pre-reqs they might be missing?

[latent moon]

Orpheus' Recommendation
Have 24 Contractor Upgrades
Court Musician's Sentence

[slender ingot]

its wierd because the lyre isnt there

[latent moon]

from the wiki

[slender ingot]

do i need to get the workbench?

for it

[ionic minnow]

Sounds like 24 contractor upgrades might be the issue

[slender ingot]

oh do i need to have done 24 contracts?

[ionic minnow]

Do you know if those upgrades include uhh decorations?

[latent moon]

no clue

maybe

[high island]

You can find requirements for House Contractor upgrades on the wiki. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/House_Contractor

[rustic vale]

Also yeah

[high island]

Yeah, they should count.

[slender ingot]

it says

Have 24 Contractor Upgrades

[rustic vale]

I was about to just mention yhe wiki for the eury+orph question as well

[slender ingot]

oof i gotta get some work orders done then right?

[rustic vale]

They don’t take much to complete a bunch of them tbh

[slender ingot]

can the upgrades be anything

like even painting the floors

which is like 5 gems

[ionic minnow]

@slender ingot

[slender ingot]

ok

tyy

[ionic minnow]

Guys I messed up

I took pos's dash and triple shot in the same run

now when I dash to things I can't shotgun them bc they fly away

[slender ingot]

;-;

[latent moon]

lmao it's fine tbh

it'll work on bosses

a bit unfortunate tho

could also just sell it later

[ionic minnow]

yea ill try to purge it when i get the chance

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Just rng manipulate triple away for twinshot and point blank

[latent moon]

true tbh

[ionic minnow]

Does acorn reset after dd/sd

[gray apex]

no

[ionic minnow]

Assuming I do ~80% of my encounters hitless, is Than's keepsake worth it?

[latent moon]

no

you lose control of your build, so even tho you get bonus damage, if you had an actual build, you would've been doing more damage

[gray apex]

What if I use it and get a perfect build

[ionic minnow]

yeah im not seeing how than's keepsake prevents you from doing a build you want

WAit, people actually use the god keepsakes?

[gray apex]

hey dont take me seriously around here

I'd be surprised if you get 20

[latent moon]

i thought about saying that but also not many people here actually hard reset like speedrunners for that lmao

but also speedrunners dont care about their hp so it's pointless lol

[gray apex]

Yea as a casual gamer I can confirm

[latent moon]

true

[latent moon]

i mean

ofc

they let you control your build in an rng game

[ionic minnow]

...while losing out on the benefits of every other keepsake

[latent moon]

you can guarantee the first god you see in the run so why not

[latent moon]

such as?

[gray apex]

There aren't many better options

Controlling your build is incredibly valuable

[ionic minnow]

Cerb collar, spearpoint, chaos egg

Chaos egg is really nice for early chaos gates in tartarus

[latent moon]

egg is mid and situational

[gray apex]

Egg doesn't guarantee a gate

[latent moon]

also tart is the easiest biome, you shouldn't need anything defensive there

[gray apex]

spearpoint and collar are defensive and not the best at that

[ionic minnow]

No, but it makes it way better when you get one, which across all of tartarus.. is likely

[latent moon]

i mean

you get 2 if lucky

[ionic minnow]

What about sisyphus keepsake

That's AWESOME for tartarus

Because very little is upgraded at the start

[latent moon]

shackle is overkill in tart tbh

[latent moon]

enemies dont have that much hp either

stuff like hestia and arthur like shackle, but it's also overkill for tart

well at least for hestia, arthur could probably use it

[gray apex]

The thing with Shackle is, despite being a really nice boost on some weps, most people can't keep it for the whole run, so the goal is to take it off eventually, it's better to do that at the start while you still can

[latent moon]

you can also get your way through tart without shackle if you use a god keepsake anyways lmao

shackle might be more upfront damage from the start, but nearly every aspect would rather have something else at the start

[gray apex]

Yea the scenarios that strongly benefit from Shackle are either a Speedrunner who really knows what they're doing or someone doing extremely high heat

[latent moon]

the "benefits" other keepsakes give are pretty negligible until you get to ely/styx, where defensive, offensive, or utility keepsakes want to be used

asphodel if high heat because lernie is pain

[ionic minnow]

Hey at least I named something that got you guys talking

As a noob being told they are wrong, I take GREAT pride in that achievement

[latent moon]

i mean

people are here lmao

why's that an accomplishment

[gray apex]

It's not necessarily wrong just some better options exist, and in this game you can optimize the way you play a lot

[ionic minnow]

Oh it's just incredible compared to some other discords

You wouldn't know I guess

[latent moon]

i mean i guess that's fair
other communities might just call you an idiot and not be helpful lmao

[ionic minnow]

Exactly. They're so terrified of actually engaging LOL

You guys LISTEN to me.

[high island]

Best use for Cosmic Egg is when you see a Light of Ixion in the Well before Asphodel, and even then only occasionally better than other options.

[ionic minnow]

You actually adapted what you said to what I said, and had a healthy discussion on shackle and the cases where it is nice

Instead of just HRNNNG god boons so good ur so bad

It's extremely difficult to take even "experts" seriously if they aren't willing to listen to you.

[latent moon]

tbf it only becomes more of an issue when we tell you something is good/bad compared to something else and you just say "too bad i'm doing it anyways i think it's better" but at that point we're just "aight have fun" lmao

[ionic minnow]

Well yeah and people should be allowed to do "statistically suboptimal" stuff, I mean, different people have different playstyles and what I call "mechanical crutches" i.e. people not taking Achilles spear not because they don't like the stats or think it's good, but because they feel super impaired with the way it changes the controls

But of course, as a "mentor" style person who has played the game a lot, all you can do is recommend what works for most people on average

Which is the best thing of course

Otherwise all the advice would just be "go figure it yourself and see what feels good" in which case we wouldn't need a discord at all

[latent moon]

the "go figure it yourself and see what feels good" works for newer players getting into the game because they always ask too many questions of "what's good and what's bad" lmao

after a certain point then we'd help but if someone's extremely brand new, it's just like "go have fun stop asking questions" lmao

[ionic minnow]

fair xD

[hardy spear]

by the way id just like to add that the damage from chaos gates isnt as bad as it seems because youll get 3 healing from leaving a room and going in the gate and then another 3 healing when you leave chaos with cthnoic regeneration, plus it skips a chamber that you might have taken damage in anyway

[high island]

1 HP is all you need anyway.

[ionic minnow]

Wait, is it garaunteed to skip a chamber?
I thought it just put you in a random room

[ionic minnow]

Yes, just 1hp and the "don't get hit" mentality xD

[strong ridge]

health is a resource

[latent moon]

it's like

you get 12 possible chambers before a free room before the boss in tart

it doesn't matter what those 12 rooms are, but the 13th one is either a shop or a free item

[hardy spear]

theres a set amount of chambers in every biome

[latent moon]

yeah that's a better way of saying it lmao

[ionic minnow]

i see

[brisk trail]

how long do chill effects last by default

[latent moon]

so if you get a chaos, it counts towards the room totals

[high island]

8 seconds.

[brisk trail]

tyvm

[latent moon]

slows for 4% per stack

max of 10

fun stuff

[high island]

Chill gud.

[rustic vale]

👍

[rustic vale]

Honestly just mess around
All you really need to know is generally fast attacks want flat damage and chonky attacks want % increase

I honestly cringe whenever I see someone ask about a “best” weapon/aspect/boon and the like
Somethings work better then others but

[high island]

Players who belittle and make fun of you for making "bad" choices are usually pretty bad theorists. They might be good at copying the meta trends, but they won't be the ones who established it or who break into new territory.

Because that requires open-mindedness and curiosity.

[vital tapir]

there are bad decisions for sure

[brisk trail]

Wait what

[rustic vale]

I want to do another every aspect challenge hmmm
32 heat with every aspect?
I feel like that wouldn’t hit the same like shackle with every aspect would

[vital tapir]

40

[brisk trail]

I'm heartbroken https://prnt.sc/MFQoyQb0ts1j

[latent moon]

32 every aspect is doable

[fallen fjord]

if you keep poseiden's boon on between biomes it doesnt keep working right?

[brisk trail]

I thought I would actually get to tend to her crops

[rustic vale]

I know it’s duoable

[latent moon]

oh yeah you never get to see that place again

[high island]

40 Heat every aspect, but you're not allowed to do the go-to meta builds.

[brisk trail]

When are we getting a stardew-valley style DLC that lets us actually farm the crops?

[latent moon]

one of the pains of actually completing the main story

[rustic vale]

Keepsake? No*
*unless you didn’t use the charge

[latent moon]

never, but you're getting a new game in 2023 lmao

[rustic vale]

I can’t even do 40 heat with the meta builds

[brisk trail]

at least there's that ^_^

[vital tapir]

me when i enter ely with an unused keepsake (i skipped midboss once)

[high island]

That's why it's a challenge. You can do it if you set your mind to it. Good luck!

[latent moon]

every aspect but ME lmao

[rustic vale]

Got it

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/7sXqUHIBHryB what should I buy next

Should I save an extra dimaond for Erebus?

[latent moon]

vanquishers keep is gonna give a lot of value imo

[brisk trail]

Are erebus gates even good

[rustic vale]

Anyways time to try to set up a 40 heat pact that isn’t gonna kill me too much

[high island]

2nd or 3rd option.

[latent moon]

extremer measures is funny

[latent moon]

it's situational

[high island]

Not really tbh.

[rustic vale]

Vanquishers keep because that’s more meta resources sooner

[latent moon]

high risk high reward type of deal, but the reward is generally mid lol

[rustic vale]

High risk mid reward

[brisk trail]

If I unlock extremer measures, will it make my current pacts harder

[latent moon]

no

it unlocks a new pact

[rustic vale]

Nope it just unlocks another level for extreme measures

[high island]

Skill level required to actually make good use of Infernal Gates consistently is very high... and even then it'll only really help much at very high heats.

And even then it's still only situationally useful.

[rustic vale]

If only hammers could pop up in erebus gates and give like 4 or 5 options instead of 3

[latent moon]

heart or pom erebus in early tart can be good imo

somewhat free because it's early

[rustic vale]

hermes erebus for blue minimum rd 🧠

[latent moon]

lmao true

[violet oriole]

I can’t wait to play Hades soon

[misty gorge]

do i need to have twin fists equipped to unlock the hidden aspect or just 5 titan blood is enough to trigger it

[vital tapir]

tart gates are cool until you get a seeker speeder super witch w nem

[high island]

That and Centaur Heart are best, yeah.

[vital tapir]

with flame wheels on the side

[latent moon]

you need to have the fists equipped for the first line

[rustic vale]

You need to talk to asterius and have him mention you using fists while using fists
Then get a second message using any weapon

[high island]

@rustic vale another idea: 40 Heat every aspect, but you have to enter every Infernal Gate you find.

[misty gorge]

but mooom i am sick of running fists for 10th time

[vital tapir]

64 heat*

[rustic vale]

Possibly easier

What if I do both

[latent moon]

then dont lol

hidden fists sucks

[rustic vale]

no meta
Take all erebus gates
40 heat
💪

[latent moon]

true

[misty gorge]

yeah but i didnt get the dialouge and its the last one to unlock

[high island]

Idk about easier, good luck entering Erebus from Elysium.

[vital tapir]

if you already struggle with 40 heat on good aspects why do all aspects anyway

[rustic vale]

Easy I’ll just route my run for 0 erebus gates

[high island]

To have a goal.

[rustic vale]

To have a goal

[vital tapir]

not a good one

[high island]

Sounds like a great goal to me.

[rustic vale]

That was my determination for shackle all aspects

[high island]

No. Unmodded unseeded, and no RNG manipulation resets allowed at Eurydice or Anvil.

[rustic vale]

It was fine till you said no rng manip

[vital tapir]

can you even manip eury

[rustic vale]

Yea

[vital tapir]

just poms?

[high island]

Pom Porridge and Ambrosia Delight.

[vital tapir]

p sure ambrosia can’t be manipped

[rustic vale]

Soinds like dio zag bow time

or maybe dem strike zag bow

[high island]

Maybe not, I never cared for routing or RNG manipulation. I just know there's been people who reset at Eurydice.

[rustic vale]

Eury reset is uncommon

Because most of the time you want to take the future boons rarity up for rd

Or dasj

[high island]

Any resets like that are uncommon.

You're a fringe group of 1.

[rustic vale]

I don’t eury reset

I’ve exclusively reset for anvil

[high island]

Knocking at doors trying to recruit.

[rustic vale]

Zag bow meta is just crit builds yeah?

So I avoid that and I’m good to go

[high island]

I'll leave the details of what you consider meta up to you lol.

[rustic vale]

I want to say it’s just the most prominent build but for some weapons there are a few

[high island]

You could look at the high heat leaderboard and do a Zag Bow build that hasn't been done before.

[rustic vale]

Crit or ME for nem
Splash flare or passion flare beo
Lightning phalanx or hunting blades achilles etcetera

There is only 1 40 heat zag bow run for unseeded unmodded

Interesting they use athena

Demeter zag bow it is

[brisk trail]

Are keys EVER used for ANYTHING after you've unlocked all of your weapons and mirror stuff?

[latent moon]

yes

[brisk trail]

Do you just trade them to wretched after that?

[latent moon]

oh you mean for buying stuff

yeah they're useless

15 keys for 1 TB is a good special deal tho

[high island]

I would say anything from 40 to 50 maybe? Beyond that it changes quite a bit for dealing with AP2 etc.

[brisk trail]

That IS good, especially considering you'd otherwise need 100 for a TB

[latent moon]

yeah

comes by every once in a while

so keep a look out for that and keep about 15 on you

[high island]

The result will be, ideally, that every run breaks new ground.

[brisk trail]

Is there a steam achievement for getting the 32 heat reward

[high island]

No.

[rustic vale]

I almost just passed on an erebus gate but then I caught myself

[latent moon]

only 16

[rustic vale]

No, do it anyways

[dull niche]

ye steam only does 8 and 16

iirc

[brisk trail]

gotcha, thanks

[latent moon]

do 32 for the skelly statue anyways

32 free

if you just believe you can do it

[brisk trail]

i'll try ;-;

[high island]

Yep. They didn't want any of the achievements to be something only a very small group of players can do.

[ionic minnow]

How to do legendary fish catch for beginners simple guide?

[rustic vale]

Nooooo

Purple killing freeze ap1ed

[ionic minnow]

Is it RNG or umm is it timing

[latent moon]

timing

[ionic minnow]

Okay how do I do?

[rustic vale]

Timing and 50/50 odds on perfect catch for legendary

[ionic minnow]

Right at the start? Be fast?

[latent moon]

you need to be within like half a second from when the thingy sounds

[ionic minnow]

whats the sound

[latent moon]

as soon as the indicator goes off, you pull

[ionic minnow]

if I pull while its going down under the water is that too early

does it need to be while its already underwater

[high island]

1 key costs 50 obols. That's 750 obols for 1 TB. You get NVMe drives with more storage space for less than that.

[latent moon]

there's a "blub" sound or something

[ionic minnow]

What's an obol

[latent moon]

gold

[high island]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide

There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[strong ridge]

i close my eyes and wait for the ding

[ionic minnow]

is it a ding or a blub

I need to know

[rustic vale]

I also popped on antos because anti-meta

[strong ridge]

ding for fish blub for fake

[latent moon]

oh lmao oops

i havent fished in a while

[high island]

lol nice.

[gray apex]

Antos goated for sneak

[rustic vale]

Didn’t get sneak this time

[strong ridge]

antos has the best emotional buff in the game

[high island]

I read chat while fishing and get a perfect catch anyway.

[latent moon]

why 0 cycle the sneak when you can just antos it

[strong ridge]

the second wind from achilles encouragement is all one needs

[rustic vale]

Why 0 cycle sneak when you can just route your run to not encounter them

[high island]

My favorite is summoning Antos immediately when you enter Doomstone chamber and just dashing to the exit.

[latent moon]

0 cycle sneak is probably fastest possible miniboss lmao

croven's 0 cycle was insane

[raw herald]

barge:

[latent moon]

barge is hella fast

[rustic vale]

My favourite is summoning antos on witches (it’s definitely super effective trust)

[raw herald]

barge makes me want to reset the fastest

[latent moon]

https://youtu.be/OSPh_y1BPPA?t=93

[high island]

Now find a setup that groups all 4 and lets Antos hit them all.

[raw herald]

itll take 3-5 busines days

[high island]

Why did the boon just drop immediately? Where was the enemy?

What sorcery is this?

[latent moon]

good question

just croven things

should check his game

prob some funky stuff in there

[rustic vale]

Ez

Sus boon speed

That kill was clean though what the heck

Croven drop sub1 when?

[latent moon]

rn

[rustic vale]

💪

[latent moon]

croven almost sub1 tart tho

close enough

[high island]

Maybe the secret is to play on a Mac.

[latent moon]

true

mac buff

[high island]

@dull niche is this your secret?

[dull niche]

yea mac is superior

[high island]

He admits it.

[gray apex]

I’ll believe it if you get fists wr

[latent moon]

same

[rustic vale]

The real secret is just being Croven

[high island]

It's in his WRs I'll post when I feel cute folder.

[rustic vale]

Jk it’s actually taking steroids (they make you better at the game because hitting the buttons harder makes them deal more damage)

[gray apex]

Sounds like something caml has

[dull niche]

i do have one more wep i need to get sub530...

[rustic vale]

Talos?

Or gilga

[vital tapir]

talos ares start is good bc you can take attack or cast depending on rarity👍

and then get the wrong god every time in tart

[rustic vale]

Talos pos start is good because tdash good

[vital tapir]

or psecial…

[twilit lodge]

Ping pong Talos truly capable of sub5 I bet

[vital tapir]

yea but only with the trick where you cancel dash upper with attack

[high island]

Talos Crush Shot sub 5:30, let's go.

[vital tapir]

so you can reposition yourself to quick special the enemy into a wall after pulling

[rustic vale]

Talos meme beams 💪

[vital tapir]

and breaking wave c2

[rustic vale]

Curse of Drowning talos sub5:30

[vital tapir]

talos crush shot better than hera ngl

[rustic vale]

talos crush shot better than hera ngl

[vital tapir]

not because of the +50%, but because pulling enemies into you means less chasing casts

[rustic vale]

Just have more casts

Then you don’t need to chase

[twilit lodge]

Taloswulf

Your flares pull enemies in

[rustic vale]

Talos divine phalanx ME

[raw herald]

curse of drowning so op

especially on beowuklf

[rustic vale]

Curse of drowning is certainly a boon of all time

[raw herald]

i just got a 727 on it

[sweet knoll]

when your fastest run is the one where ||hades lets you go||
it was sub 20 too

[rustic vale]

Time for me to sub1 ff

[latent moon]

if anything it's even faster because you didn't have to fight him

[sweet knoll]

thank zagreus fists + lambent plume
absolutely cracked, especially with hermes boons

[twilit lodge]

It’s slower cuz you sit there talking to him and timer goes while you walk to the farm

[latent moon]

oh really

[twilit lodge]

Iirc

[latent moon]

the only good hermes boons here is hyper sprint and rush delivery lmao

[latent moon]

timer has always paused during dialogue tho

[sweet knoll]

attack speed though

[latent moon]

and the end screen comes up right after

[twilit lodge]

No end screen on 10th escape

[latent moon]

that's not gonna be nearly as much of an increase in dps than hyper sprint + rd

[latent moon]

yes there is?

[twilit lodge]

Is not

[latent moon]

iirc it gives you the typical end screen

[twilit lodge]

You have to look it up in admin chamber to see your stars

Does not

SMH

I just did it on hell mode recently

[sweet knoll]

i didn't get one for the 10th

[latent moon]

huh

[twilit lodge]

Jeez Jana’s

Nanas

[latent moon]

i remember seeing it because i used shield

and it was like 31 minutes

[twilit lodge]

I couldn’t even check my stats for that run on hell mode because I didn’t have the admin chamber yet 😭

[sweet knoll]

and you're right, the timer does continue
cause it technically was a 17 minute run but it says 21 min

[latent moon]

wack

[sweet knoll]

indeed

[rustic vale]

Wdym, greatest reflex exists

[latent moon]

that doesn't increase your dps that much unless ME

and considering it's a plume run

im' doubtful it was ME

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

Rip died in asphod

[latent moon]

git gud

[rustic vale]

bye-bye dem zag bow 40 heat

[sweet knoll]

swift strike is cracked on fists, cause they already have somewhat high dps to begin with
hyper sprint/haste syncs with rush delivery
and evasion + plume + zag fists can make you near untouchable, especially if you also have divine dash

[rustic vale]

Swift strike isn’t cracked

On anything

[latent moon]

i wonder if swift strike makes zap fists chain lightning to hit the internal cooldown lmao

[rustic vale]

good question

[latent moon]

but yeah, swift strike doesn't benefit that many weapons because you're dash striking on like every weapon

the only ones i can think it benefits is arthur

and possibly flurry zag bow i guess

[sweet knoll]

fair

[rustic vale]

Zeus shield meta is like zeus^2 and ME right? So I should be good with dio

[latent moon]

swift strike also doesnt affect dstrikes

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

I didn’t realise ap applied to poms

[high island]

Yup.

[latent moon]

poms and hammers lol

[rustic vale]

I knew hammers

[latent moon]

what's your pact btw

[rustic vale]

Uh

HL5 lc4 cf1 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap1 td3

[latent moon]

cp1

[rustic vale]

Wait

I meant cf1

[latent moon]

okay that's better lmao

[rustic vale]

That’s why it was the third one

I was going left to right

[latent moon]

although uh

my 40 heat pacts are either cf1 or js1

never both

[rustic vale]

Makes sense

[latent moon]

oh HS

i guess that's a fair pact if you dont want to deal with HS lol

em2 becomes a bit easier and you dont have 150 damage pots to deal with

[rustic vale]

Omg ap1 keeps hitting my dio poms

[latent moon]

simply dont have other boons

so you only get dio poms

[rustic vale]

I have curse of vengeance and divine dash

Can eury pom hit the same boon multiple times?

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

if those are the only boons you have

you could take the rarity increase because it's another pom

and then hope it hits curse of vengeance too

and sell that

for stonks

[rustic vale]

Drunken flourish/curse of vengeance/ divine dash/ purple swift flourish

Purple swift flourish looked like a significant uptick in the amount of spins it does

Idk if that’s just visual or

[latent moon]

heroic swift flourish would be funny

esp because it's flat damage

[brisk trail]

Just got the motherfreaking sigil of the dead

How many ambrosia, TOTAL, do I need to get the reunion epilogue?

Oo I also just got master of arms, which means I have 10 titan blood to waste on bad aspects

What should I irresponsibly dump all of this blood into?

[mint coral]

sigil of the dad lets go

[brisk trail]

so is it good?

[mint coral]

amazing for speedruns, not much else

[brisk trail]

gotcha

[high island]

There's a guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players.

Made by a really amazing and wonderful person.

[mint coral]

dad call good yeah but defensive keepsakes comfy

[rustic vale]

Died 59 seconds into heroes fight

15:56

40 heat is rough

[twilit lodge]

Shackle derusting challenge

Oh you’re doing 40 finally

What aspect?

[rustic vale]

Zeus

With dio

[twilit lodge]

Oh jeez Zeus

I’m bad with Zeus 😦

[rustic vale]

Plan is 40 heat all aspect no meta builds

take all erebus I see

no rng manip either

[twilit lodge]

That is definitely one of the plans of all time

[rustic vale]

Yup

[latent moon]

hidden shield kinda funny

[rustic vale]

I had a meh build it wasn’t enough damage fast enough

I like zeus but

[old dawn]

my plan is to win fresh save run on a tv with a ps3 controller (never played hades with one)

[rustic vale]

Also: derusting while attempting something I’ve never completed before

[frank torrent]

what's a good heat setup to use for 8 heat?

[old dawn]

if i can even get the software to work with windows...

em3 gets you free 6 heat

well "free"

[ivory oyster]

oh my god im so mad lol
was having a really stellar 32 heat run using merciful end
and then after lernie i meant to save and quit and accidentally hit give up
anyway how u guys doin lol

[old dawn]

it's a bit to get used to but like

[mint coral]

em-td combination is prob ez

[frank torrent]

i've beaten em3 before

[rustic vale]

em2 + td2 I believe

[frank torrent]

so em3 td2?

[mint coral]

can also do em3 MM/bp1

[rustic vale]

Wait that doesn’t add up

[old dawn]

em3 td1 + take another 1 pointer that you don't particularly care about

[frank torrent]

how much does damage control cause issues?

[mint coral]

depends on aspect

[latent moon]

for most it's a lot

[raw herald]

usually it hurts more than you might think

[rustic vale]

It’s never free
Having to take another hit on every enemy prolongs the game quite a bit

[raw herald]

its fine on rama and eris id say

[frank torrent]

for hera?

[raw herald]

hera id maybe do dc1

[latent moon]

a lot

[raw herald]

dc2 would suck a lot

[frank torrent]

initial shot removes the dc, then the blast does most of the damage anyway

[latent moon]

dc1 still kinda sucks tbh

[old dawn]

if they're only running td1 it may be ok

[rustic vale]

It’s still giving the enemies longer to kill you

[mint coral]

atk with fiery can still 1 shot/heavy dmg its fair amount of enemies

[high island]

There are steps to recover your save in #h1-tech-fixes.

[old dawn]

isn't the mid-run save deleted if you give up

[raw herald]

dc1 is fine at low heat, but theres so many other pacts that are just as easy and dont make the game less fun

[ivory oyster]

ah maybe
i mean it was my own mistake lol i was mashing A cuz i was in a rush
luckily i wasnt TOO far, just after lernie

[rustic vale]

meta for chiron is playing it like bad zag bow so I can just play into chirons gimmick and be fine right?

[high island]

No. The game just prioritizes the permanent save instead.

But the mid-run save is still there.

[old dawn]

oh that's funny then

good to know

[high island]

What you do to recover the save is you overwrite the permanent save with the mid-run save. (Back it up first just in case, though.)

[rustic vale]

Nyaanyaa I died to heroes with dio special zeus shield

[old dawn]

man i love this 5 second boot time instead of 12 minutes

[rustic vale]

40 heat is hard

[raw herald]

skill issue Lmao

[raw herald]

nvm sorry

[high island]

You did two attempts and got to Hades first time and Theseus & Asterius second time?

Sounds like it's going well.

[rustic vale]

I got to aspho first time

Not to Hades

so

Progress

[high island]

Yup.

[frank torrent]

ooh i got through an erebus room

that's cool

[old dawn]

you are now playing a bullet hell game

[mint coral]

hope the reward was worth

[high island]

@rustic vale if it didn't take you a few tries and some practice, it wouldn't be a challenge.

[frank torrent]

it was just coins but it was also easy

[high island]

Nice.

200 obols is nice.

[frank torrent]

also found twinned shot which basically counters the downside of DC

[rustic vale]

It softens dc

[solar breach]

I hate witch coven I hate witch coven I hate witch coven

[old dawn]

ok someone suggest ways to make a ps3 pad work with windows overall since I couldn't, and shibari is janky, tends to make inputs lock up etc

vigembus outright doesn't work

[high island]

My suggestion is to get a PS4 or PS5 pad.

[rustic vale]

Twin shot doesn’t counter dc
It just softens the downside

[old dawn]

sorry i do not sleep on cash

[brisk trail]

Am I the only one who ALWAYS takes ambrosia delight no matter what?

[old dawn]

neither does any current university student

gotta work with what i have on hand

[rustic vale]

Whichever one increases rarity of next 3 boons picked up unless I want to rng manipulate my current boons

[high island]

Refreshing Nectar is best 9 out of 10 times.

[quiet chasm]

How do I beat ||hades|| with Chiron bow

What's the strat

[rustic vale]

Uh

[frank torrent]

hangover

[quiet chasm]

oh damn I have chill and waves

[old dawn]

idk it should be free since you dont have to aim

most of the time

[quiet chasm]

I do have 2 death defiances tho, and my base health is 200

I'm just worried about the last phase

[rustic vale]

There isn’t a specific strat for chiron just hit him and dodge out of the way/ behind pillars when needed

[high island]

Chiron tactics don't really change for any particular enemy tbh.

[rustic vale]

Unless you’re asking about how to build chiron

[quiet chasm]

No just how to beat that guy

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to change anything gameplay wise then

[high island]

That might help.

[rustic vale]

Nothing you wouldn’t do for Hades fight with any other weapon

[old dawn]

hit spam 3 special hit spam 3 special while doing the usual for hades fight ig

nothing elaborate

[rustic vale]

If you have swift flourish spam 4

[brisk trail]

Flurry Jab + Triple Jab ☠️

[old dawn]

thought that's only with non-common swift flourish? is 10% just enough

[rustic vale]

10% is enough

[brisk trail]

I JUST WISH it made your other 2 jabs dash-strike as well

[high island]

I'd say usually it's two specials and then reposition with double dash into Dash-Strike.

[rustic vale]

The only important difference in rarity is epic swift flourish letting you chain concentrated volley

[old dawn]

maybe i didn't mash fast enough

[rustic vale]

👍

[high island]

Unless you like to sit in one spot and die.

[rustic vale]

Nah I wanna die in multiple spots

[old dawn]

tru

[high island]

That can be arranged.

[brisk trail]

https://prnt.sc/Ie_-ymXCtCOL cool

I didn't realize there were lore scenes after runs after the credits too

Are they DLC?

Bc the original game would have ended with bringing persephone back no?

[twilit lodge]

This game has no DLC

[brisk trail]

A game? Made in 2020? With no DLC?

It's so rare :O

[latent moon]

Sgg doesn't make dlcs lol

[latent moon]

Also there's a ton more story stuff after the credits

[dusky solar]

hades 2 is the DLC

[quiet chasm]

This game crashes so much

I was just about to beat it

God

Defintely not, 5600xt ryzen 5 3600 32 gb of ram, every other game works perfectly fine

And this isn't the first time it has happened either I've lost a lot of good runs to random crashing where I can't even open up task manager

A potential solution would be helpful

Might just be optimization problems then

[high island]

Have a look at #h1-tech-fixes.

If that doesn't work out, you can ask for help in #h1-tech-support.

[quiet chasm]

Ok ty

[limpid ocean]

I just had an epic all time gaming moment

[shadow kindle]

Aaaaaaa

One ares boon left. Better be merciful end

YESSSSSS

YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSS

[limpid ocean]

So the highest heat I ever cleared before was 8 for the skelly statue, so I wanted the next thing and skipped to 16, ran the pact that gives me 7 min per region. Was running a fist build that was pretty mid, but got some synergy with hermes 2.25 second recharge and 3 casts with epic dio cast. But in the last area turned it into ice wine and that cast is nuts. Of course in styx the sack ended up being in the last chamber, but still got to Hades with 3 minutes. Beat him with 45 seconds left, pretty close.

But, had no idea there's a 3rd phase, had to use stubborn defiance, and somehow beat him with 10 health with ~5 seconds left. It was nuts.

I love this game.

[rustic vale]

Em4 for 16 heat

Is truly… a pact option

[limpid ocean]

is that not advised?

I'm not that familiar with which ones are most advisable other than the one that prevents one extra instance of damage at the start on all enemies

[brisk trail]

TODAY I LEARNED there is an achievement for killing skelly 15 times

So if you just walk past your boy skelly and dont use him to train

stop

Get your steam achievement

[mint coral]

tight deadline, extreme measures (up to 3) middle managamente, forced overtime can be way easier

while em4 is a lot of heat it can be rough even with experience (and gets worse the more pacts you add)

[mint coral]

switch moment

[limpid ocean]

is em3 -> em4 the only difference being hades?

[mint coral]

yeah

[rich horizon]

em2 <33333

[mint coral]

also damage control hurts more than you think

you take longer for each enemy and time adds up

also gg for the win anyways, just realized lol