h1-discussion

[slender fossil]

ares didnt like me choosing dionysus

[brisk trail]

got me a ✨ membership card ✨

[slender fossil]

this has to be a joke

i get support fire NOW?

but not on the builds i actually wanted it?

[sterile light]

That is exactly how this works

also

am I crazy or did fists give you an extra dash?

and that's no longer the case 🤔

[gray apex]

Only the hidden aspect

[hardy spear]

support fire is rarely, if ever, good

[slender fossil]

bow

[sterile light]

ah, the least interesting fist

okay

[hardy spear]

my point stands

[sterile light]

depends on your attack rate

[hardy spear]

with a fast fire rate its okay i guess

[sterile light]

yeah

works nicely on fist

dunno about rail, I used it like twice

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slender fossil]

i dont know how to feel about this spear

[sterile light]

very much dislike using it on controller

what you running?

[hardy spear]

im a rail main on controller

[sterile light]

[hardy spear]

gun

[slender fossil]

im using the spear where you can dash to it when you special

[hardy spear]

achilles

[formal sinew]

That can end you in lava at times

[slender fossil]

good thing im past there

[hardy spear]

so dont move into lava 👍

[sterile light]

GY only good spear fite me

[hardy spear]

achilles kinda good tho

[sterile light]

hmm

[slender fossil]

oh hey should i borrow some money from charon

[sterile light]

how would you build it?

yes

dewitt

[hardy spear]

flurry jab

[sterile light]

it'll be fun

[slender fossil]

im kind of broke right now

[hardy spear]

hunting blades maybe

crit on attack

[slender fossil]

and those health items looking kind of nice

whoops

[hardy spear]

wuh oh

[sterile light]

🙂

[slender fossil]

well

[hardy spear]

[sterile light]

[hardy spear]

[sterile light]

I think I prefer zag fists over hidden fists tbh

[slender fossil]

oh there goes a death defiance

[latent moon]

hidden fists suck

[hardy spear]

i think i prefer literally anything over gilga

[frank torrent]

what's a strong demeter build that's not merciful end?

[sterile light]

idk, demeter fists pretty meh (the aspect)

[latent moon]

lighting strike, aprhodite special

[hardy spear]

zeus

[slender fossil]

oh there goes another one

[latent moon]

dio/zeus call -> smair

[hardy spear]

smair my beloved

[sterile light]

smh, git gud

[latent moon]

it's the only good fist aspect lol

[frank torrent]

another smair build

fair enough

[slender fossil]

oh man

[hardy spear]

the smair isn't necessary

[slender fossil]

where are my death defiances going

[sterile light]

wat, zag fists are pretty amazing

[hardy spear]

weh

im not a fan

[slender fossil]

i think i won

[sterile light]

[slender fossil]

ooh a credit card

[hardy spear]

phase two

[slender fossil]

UH

[sterile light]

phase three

[slender fossil]

YEAH THE BULL IS RIGHT HERE

[hardy spear]

unlooky brov

[slender fossil]

nah nah its winnable

[sterile light]

charon fight?

have you ever fought him before?

[hardy spear]

kinda mean to call charon a bull but aight

[radiant anchor]

speaking of lol.. does anyone remember what the pulsing gold dot is after beating charon? i took the card first and it took me back OTL

[sterile light]

doesn't seem like it based on the reaction lol

[slender fossil]

i never won before

[sterile light]

ah

[formal sinew]

Lore note/narrator speech

[sterile light]

I dumbed into his fight once on like 5/6 heat

[slender fossil]

and i didnt expect the bull to be right there while i was on 19 hp with no death defainces either

[sterile light]

that was the first time

[formal sinew]

Charon was fun

Not when I had fists

But still fun

[hardy spear]

L

[formal sinew]

Even more fun with Excalibur

[hardy spear]

smitten

[sterile light]

I was using fists and somehow beat the crap outta him first time

like no damage taken

ez fight

[formal sinew]

That was me for regular Hades. Not first but second

[hardy spear]

fists pretty good against charon ngl

he doesnt really attack behind him

[sterile light]

dude, I picked up Hades day before yesterday after like a year

[hardy spear]

dyno going off

[sterile light]

and died to Hades

:/

[formal sinew]

But EM4 Hades abused me smh

[slender fossil]

oh hey i just wanted to die so i could pet the doggo

[sterile light]

sure you did

[hardy spear]

intentional

[sterile light]

[hardy spear]

puppy

[sterile light]

that's an excellent emote

[rustic vale]

Credit card worth 3 dd’s if you get it in tartarus tbf

[sterile light]

^

isn't that the discount card

demeter is too... weird for me

[rustic vale]

Demeter > zag > talos and gilga

[sterile light]

Demeter has the magnets right

or is that talos

[rustic vale]

No

Demeter is the gigacutter

[sterile light]

oh okay, yeah, we agree then

apparently my fastest run was on sword of all things

arthur sword

👀

[mental vale]

How

[sterile light]

idk, that's what the archives say

[twilit lodge]

My fastest run was zag sword and I hate that

[rustic vale]

💪

Best sword best pb

[mental vale]

Its faster than the other swords

Says it right there in the description

15%!!!!!!

[twilit lodge]

Attack speed on sword is useless

The move speed is the only good part

[sterile light]

[mental vale]

dont mind me with eris pb... im just like everyone else

[rustic vale]

Movespeed is the best part about zag sword

[mental vale]

optimal sword gameplay uses only dash strikes so attack speed does nothing

[limpid ocean]

i have yet to find one thing i like about the sword

[rustic vale]

You do you then

[sterile light]

aaa, I've been doing first runs for so long

[limpid ocean]

cursed slash was kinda cool but i didnt get far with it

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash

[limpid ocean]

because i was a total noob then

[sterile light]

I kinda forgot dash slashes were a thing

[rustic vale]

Maybe try double edge and focus on just dash striking

[sterile light]

dash special > dash strike

👀

[rustic vale]

You are just full of the weirdest takes

[twilit lodge]

Dash strike special > dash special

[sterile light]

I'm a weird guy

[rustic vale]

Dash Nova is one of the 4 hammers that nerf your sword

Along with cursed slash, flurry slash, and world splitter (if you accidentally normal strike)

[twilit lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1032169679541784656/IMG_3587.jpg

Smelly zag sword 😦

[sterile light]

ah, ME

yeah that'll do it

plus the double strike

[twilit lodge]

I forgot about my 10:00.48

[sterile light]

oof

[twilit lodge]

That was so not pog

[rustic vale]

Double edge > every sword hammer that affects dash strikes (aside from hoarding slash) > super nova and double nova > hoarding slash > every neutral sword hammer > the 4 that nerf your sword

[twilit lodge]

Purple RD zag sword ME with purple doom

Kinds juicy

Kinda

[rustic vale]

Yeah
+130% damage is nice

[twilit lodge]

And double strike Zeus call

[sterile light]

RD?

[rustic vale]

Rush delivery

[sterile light]

o yike

[rustic vale]

Gives you additive damage based on a percentage of your current extra movespeed

[twilit lodge]

In the case of purple rd that percentage is “all of it”

[sterile light]

I'm familiar, having grabbed it in 3 of my last zag fist runs

with lambent plume

z o o m

also had hyper sprint

still not as much dps as pommed up aph cast :/

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint is so good with it because it’s a huge movespeed boost

[rustic vale]

Pommed up aphro cast with rd though

[sterile light]

true but we're on a level playing field then

aph cast is so good in terms of scaling

[twilit lodge]

Level dn

[sterile light]

dn?

donut?

[twilit lodge]

Deez nuts gottem

[rustic vale]

How did you build your zag fists those 3 runs?

[sterile light]

ath atk, ares special, aph cast, ath/art dash depending on who showed up

[rustic vale]

Uh

[raw herald]

gud build

[twilit lodge]

Aphro attack fists

[rustic vale]

I understand why rd didn’t seem like much

[twilit lodge]

[sterile light]

I wanted the safety of deflect more

[twilit lodge]

Man I love making my fist attacks do 7 more damage

[raw herald]

RD is very good with flat damage sources

[rustic vale]

For ME put the doom on your attack

[raw herald]

Doom, lightning, hangover, razor shoals

[sterile light]

yeah I wound up with ME and Curse of Longing in the last run

[rustic vale]

And with artemis/ crit chance weapons

[sterile light]

https://imgur.com/a/ROF6Rzd

here

this should have all the runs

[rustic vale]

You want doom on your attack for ME so when you find divine dash you can just dash right through them

[sterile light]

yeah

but like I said, I went for the safety of ath atk

[rustic vale]

And in doing so lose like all your dps

[sterile light]

still had a fair amount

[rustic vale]

Casts and crit builds as well

[sterile light]

chewed through pretty much everything

[twilit lodge]

Imagine if Hades 2 doesn’t have rush delivery

[raw herald]

Doom increases safety by deleting everything

[twilit lodge]

[raw herald]

Can’t get hit if enemies are dead

[rustic vale]

If everything is dead how can they harm you

[twilit lodge]

False, traps

[raw herald]

[twilit lodge]

Which is good for 32 heat and above

[raw herald]

Sure footing!!!.!!!

[sterile light]

lol, I'm familiar. ME on sheild is how I got my first ever Hades win

[twilit lodge]

😎

ME shield

[rustic vale]

That’s only in asphodel

[solar breach]

Teach me how to speedrun with varatha🥲

[rustic vale]

me zeus shield is perfect

[twilit lodge]

Ely eggs smh

[rustic vale]

You are asking the wrong person

[sterile light]

eh?

use GY

[twilit lodge]

Step one: change weapon to shield or railgun

[sterile light]

well, GY isn't super fast tho

[raw herald]

Flurry jab, tidal dash, Artemis or lightning strike, aspect of Achilles

[sterile light]

so maybe just use sword

[rustic vale]

[sterile light]

[slender fossil]

my god if i can land my casts the damage...

[rustic vale]

I stand by this

[solar breach]

I love arthur

[sterile light]

arthur is fun

[twilit lodge]

Arthur will never love you back

[raw herald]

i don’t like arthur :(

[sterile light]

gotta use the animation cancel properly tho

[rustic vale]

Saying that like you can’t land your casts, whats the issue?

[slender fossil]

they are very slow

[rustic vale]

Which cast is it

[sterile light]

beowulf shield is crazy decent

[raw herald]

crazy op

[slender fossil]

blade rift freezing vortex

[twilit lodge]

Beowulf shield is full of bugs and unusable

🧌

[sterile light]

like, first time using it, and I grab Dio cast

[plain dove]

Will hades ever have cross save between ps5 and switch? Ik it has pc and switch

[raw herald]

ouch, try hunting blades to make them more fun

[sterile light]

prolly

[raw herald]

duo with ares Artemis

[rustic vale]

Literally everything you say is just

[twilit lodge]

Try using slicing flare

Hard to miss with rifts when they take up the entire screen

[slender fossil]

it does like 1k damage in a second if all three hit

[sterile light]

iunno, I'm literally picking this up from a year ago my guy

[rustic vale]

Note that you cannot have hunting blades and freezing vortex at the same time

Fair enough

I am being mean I think

[raw herald]

meany

>:(

[sterile light]

I just having fun with it

[twilit lodge]

Shackle living his Be Nyaanyaa fantasy

Which is to say, being correct

[high island]

I was gonna say that. Glad you've already noticed.

[raw herald]

any premium vintage enjoyers???

[sterile light]

YES

[rustic vale]

I’m trying, to the best of my ability, get correct info across, and dispel incorrect info

[sterile light]

EVERYONE SLEEPS ON IT

[twilit lodge]

Premium vintage is good in tart

[sterile light]

ALL MY FRIENDS

[twilit lodge]

Because then the nectar might actually Pom your cast

[slender fossil]

WELL

vicious cycle

[rustic vale]

Premium vintage is a free pom

[raw herald]

pom!

[slender fossil]

that... changes things

[rustic vale]

Easy pick

[rustic vale]

It’s bugged on cast and dash to only do +1 rather then +2

[sterile light]

I mean, if it was between Dio cast and premium vintage... I'd prolly pick up dio cast

it's great for ely

[slender fossil]

thats still free damage

[twilit lodge]

Dio cast kills your free 50% damage buff from boiling blood

[sterile light]

meh, it also stuns

[rustic vale]

For non flat damage soup aspecrs

[raw herald]

call is op

[twilit lodge]

Dio call quite pog

[sterile light]

orly

[raw herald]

so much damage

[rustic vale]

Dio call is stronk

[sterile light]

I don't think I've ever used it

[raw herald]

second best olympian call

[rustic vale]

Much pom scalling

[raw herald]

imo

[rustic vale]

Agreed

after zeus

[twilit lodge]

No he isn’t

[raw herald]

dio > dad smh

[twilit lodge]

He’s cthonic smh

[high island]

I am unparalleled.

[twilit lodge]

True

[raw herald]

based

[sterile light]

bruh

Poseidon tho

[rustic vale]

I love dio call

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1034995274776588378/IMG_2424.jpg

[twilit lodge]

Poseidon call is great for when you want to stop being able to attack

[slender fossil]

i have poseidon call and i still think i lose this

[raw herald]

bruh 52 damage

[twilit lodge]

In exchange for turning into a bumper car

[rustic vale]

Only way to make pos sword usable

[sterile light]

abandon humanity, become D I S C

[raw herald]

pos isn’t bottom 2

[slender fossil]

yeah but its invincibility

[raw herald]

I’d say arty is worse

[sterile light]

yeah

[raw herald]

maybe dem

maybe aphro

[twilit lodge]

Arty and ares call yeah

[rustic vale]

“Arty is free iframes”

[twilit lodge]

Dem call is bad with smair but not as bad without

[raw herald]

ngl i took arty call in a recent beo run

[sterile light]

worst three calls: pos, ares, art

[raw herald]

meant to roll, got mirage + strike anyway 💪

[twilit lodge]

💪

[sterile light]

also

you guys reroll rewards or boons

[raw herald]

rewards

100% of the time

/s

[slender fossil]

cerberus vanquished

[twilit lodge]

Dem call is op

[sterile light]

excellent

[twilit lodge]

When Theseus uses it

Unfair npc advantage

[high island]

It's way better with Smoldering Air.

[raw herald]

rolling menus is a lot better for getting builds than rolling doors

[sterile light]

bruh

[rustic vale]

With hyper delivery and smair

[slender fossil]

why does the hades arena look different

[rustic vale]

Dem call is based because killing freeze exists

[twilit lodge]

Your not wearing your glasses? Idk

Is this a trick question

[slender fossil]

oh nevermind

im just dumb

[sterile light]

oh, the Dem revenge boon is actually pretty decent in boss fights

[twilit lodge]

Dem revenge is based

[sterile light]

if you've got no choice but to take dem

[rustic vale]

Dem revenge is based if KF

[raw herald]

Killing freeze

[sterile light]

even on its own

[twilit lodge]

Dem revenge with ablast

[raw herald]

Unpommable common heavens vengeance

[sterile light]

what weapons are good with demeter anyway

bow ig?

[raw herald]

hera

For snow burst

Also beo to a lesser extent

[sterile light]

hmm

[high island]

Achilles for Crystal Clarity.

[twilit lodge]

Achilles

Yeah

[sterile light]

spear?

[raw herald]

Frost strike and flourish is also just decent on any attack/special that prefers % bonuses, chill is pretty strong at high heats

[twilit lodge]

Dem can be okay for priv status

[slender ingot]

what wepon do u guys main?

[sterile light]

priv status, my lord and saviour

[sterile light]

it was GY for me, now I am best friends with zag fist

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zag rail

[slender ingot]

oh oke, have ya completed the game?

[twilit lodge]

Priv status users when they don’t end up getting two curses:

[raw herald]

Beowulf and hestia

[rustic vale]

[sterile light]

indeed

[high island]

Chiron with Frost Flourish and Privileged Status is pretty great for boss fights.

[twilit lodge]

Family favorite users always:

[sterile light]

but between aph, ath and ares priv status users are pretty good

lmao

imagine throwing diamonds away on resource director

[raw herald]

it does

[sterile light]

and not buying songs

??

oh right

mirror loadouts

what y'all use

is it only the 1 diamond?

[slender fossil]

hades was one shot i called and used my casts and i couldnt tell my call ended so i died

[slender ingot]

can you only use 1 aspect on a wepon?

[sterile light]

I'm still torn between stygian soul and the one that just gives you more casts

[slender ingot]

oh i see

[sterile light]

with quick reload it can be way better

[slender fossil]

im back in the house

[twilit lodge]

Stygian is only good for convenience

In terms of damage infernal is always better

[raw herald]

Stygian makes the Hermes and chaos pool slightly better

[twilit lodge]

Bad news is bad

[sterile light]

Right. It's nice to shotgun with all the casts stuffed into your weapon

[raw herald]

uhh

no

[twilit lodge]

It’s right there in the name smh

[raw herald]

oooh

[slender fossil]

second phase

[twilit lodge]

Bad news is bad unless it’s your styxshop Hermes boon

There is that better

All it does is make it so you don’t have to lodge casts

[raw herald]

bad news + boiling blood :zagwow

[twilit lodge]

Which isn’t hard to do when it matters

[slender fossil]

i dont even have extreme measures 3 on

[twilit lodge]

But bad news can never stack with boiling blood

[raw herald]

nah i just reset

[sterile light]

ayo, I've been dying to EM3 theseus

[twilit lodge]

Have you considered not dying to em3 theseus

It’s usually a better choice

[sterile light]

well

I died to the fight

[twilit lodge]

Until he dismounts then he’s just as bad 😦

[sterile light]

was dealing with asterius and then theseus keeps killing me

[twilit lodge]

I mean

If only there was like

[raw herald]

It isn’t

[twilit lodge]

Big red circles on the ground

Warning you where his attacks would land

[sterile light]

nah it's the bullet sprays

[twilit lodge]

If only the game didn’t force you to stand in front of enemies with guns

[sterile light]

right

while I'm trying to kill asterius

[twilit lodge]

To be fair I do get run over by that when I do em3

But not like

So much that I die

[sterile light]

chariot theseus is not a problem if asterius is dead

[rich horizon]

hi does anyone have reccomendations for Hades YouTubers? preferably not cishet white guys

[sterile light]

just follow behind and hit away

[rich horizon]

its ok if they are but like. my yt feed has too many cishet white guys as it is

[raw herald]

I’d say Haelian but he’s cishet white

[sterile light]

iunno

most of the lgbtq youtubers I've seen are just super thirsty over the character designs in Hades

[rustic vale]

Goes every way

[sterile light]

Which is fun, but only for a little while

[rich horizon]

im just trying to support marginalized groups ig. also I tend to prefer the perspectives of folks who are more like me (I'm white, trans, and queer)

[sterile light]

that's fair

[rich horizon]

I do enjoy haelian but he gets boring

[sterile light]

I'll have to check my watch history in a while and come back to you

[twilit lodge]

CherryDaddy

[sterile light]

most people are

it's not what I'm always wanting from a Hades streamer thou

[twilit lodge]

https://twitch.tv/cherrydaddy

[high island]

@rose trellis what do you have to say for yourself?

[twilit lodge]

Not YouTube but still

[rich horizon]

I can't do streams bc my brain gets bored nc folks talk to slow 😔 YouTube speeding stuff up my beloved

[rustic vale]

Just pause the stream ez

[sterile light]

....vods

[twilit lodge]

You must love the chipmunks theme song

[unborn remnant]

i dont consume much hades content ngl

[sterile light]

neither

[unborn remnant]

it doesnt seem like a very content-creator game to me but maybe I’m wrong

[twilit lodge]

Same, I just play the game and theorycraft in here

[sterile light]

I was thinking the same thing minutes ago

[raw herald]

I’d rather just play the game

[twilit lodge]

Only child syndrome like me 😭

[rich horizon]

you're the third person who's said that to me and I have never heard it

[sterile light]

Because when you're playing you're constantly hearing Zag talk to himself or other narrated dialogue

[twilit lodge]

They have high pitched voices

[sterile light]

so not ideal for streaming

[high island]

More in the early days.

[twilit lodge]

Pretty sure most streamers have this turned down

[unborn remnant]

Games where there are lots of big reaction moments are a plus for me

[twilit lodge]

Plus it’s not like he talks constantly

[sterile light]

which is a sub-optimal experience of the game

[twilit lodge]

And you can skip the dialogues

[sterile light]

why even play if you're gonna skip the dialogue

smh

[twilit lodge]

Subjective

[unborn remnant]

I guess watching 32 heat stuff can be neat sometimes but its the right personality for it

[twilit lodge]

There’s lots of speedrun streamers

[sterile light]

speedruns of Hades are crazy

[twilit lodge]

And high heat steamers

[raw herald]

Yeah a good few speedrunners stream

[twilit lodge]

Where the draw is not the story

[unborn remnant]

persona is a fantastic reaction/content game especially if you’ve played it

[twilit lodge]

But the play

[sterile light]

in another dimension I stg

[raw herald]

ehhh not so many lol

[gray apex]

0

[unborn remnant]

yeah this is very subjective but I get where you’re coming from

personally I don’t pay attention much to the dialog unless its strictly new/marked anymore, but ive also done 100+ runs

[sterile light]

I'm just throwing out hot takes

feeling spicy today

[unborn remnant]

really respect the amount of dialog there is though please dont change that supergiant

[twilit lodge]

Tepid takes

[sterile light]

sssh

[twilit lodge]

Yeah it’s mind blowing how much dialogue there is… 79 lines for tis

Like triple digit lines for Charon somehow

[high island]

He's got a lot to get off his chest.

[twilit lodge]

Unless I’m remembering wrong and he’s closer to tis

[sterile light]

I do remember watching some Transistor playthroughs and there was one youtuber who was like, are guys cool with this narrator whispering sweet nothings into their ear?

And I was highly amused by that comment

[unborn remnant]

i think its so funny how i like hades which has hundreds of unique lines, and then xenoblade 3 which has the same like 8 post-battle dialogue lines

not a bash against xenoblade I just find it funny

[twilit lodge]

I imagine that xenoblade has plenty of unique lines as you do the story

[unborn remnant]

Oh yeah 1000%

[twilit lodge]

And the unique lines in hades are mostly from the same thing

[rose trellis]

Having watched many videos of myself back, I am SO boring some times.

[twilit lodge]

It’s not like you get 1000s of random filler lines in hades

Most of them are one offs

[twilit lodge]

How do you plead to the charge of being a cishet white man

[high island]

But you haven't seen one of yourself where you didn't know what was gonna happen. So there's that in your defense.

[sterile light]

cishet always sounded like some kind of animal to me, like something similar to an otter for some reason

[unborn remnant]

To me it sounds like a cat

[sterile light]

yeah I can see that

[unborn remnant]

specifically a cheshire cat

[sterile light]

OH

I got it

it reminds me of 'civet'!

http://t2.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlg5jM645U7Mlhk5AO7TW9ROhAE4hBU5voGFats-wUQRUchCH1HZUGHxdQBqfDt3y9P5G0pDDS1TOWkLs

anyway, I wanna get better with my runs

prolly better to ask in #h1-builds-and-combat

[misty gorge]

I noticed something odd with lucifer and piercing modifier from hammer
It grants backstab bonus if the enemy is facing you

Got athena backstab bonus and by the end I could get up to 1k damage for the whole mag of 20
And I had poseidon of all things on my attack because zeus refused to say hello

[pulsar hemlock]

Hey.
Uhh, does those chests you can find during a run usually give nectar? 🤔

[sterile light]

no, the rewards from troves are random

nectar is pretty uncommon tho

[pulsar hemlock]

Okay. Guess I'm just lucky.
Just made a new save, been off the game quite a while. My first run I got legendary Ares boon, and my first trove gave me nectar :3

[sterile light]

good start

I've been seeing my friends go through their first Hades runs

and they've had REALLY good RNG

[limpid ocean]

IS zeus or poseidon generally better for rail?

got the hammer first room so far with 80 damage rocket

[raw herald]

Optimally you want both

Zeus on attack, Poseidon on dash

[limpid ocean]

so far i did zeus primary and poseidon special

[misty gorge]

Ah yes The yeet rocket

Now get the 5 shot special and send them to orbit

Hey uhhh zagreus where hades go
To the moon why ask

[limpid ocean]

lol hope i get it

how good is rupture?

[raw herald]

I really like it

It’s nice supplimentary damage on eris

[limpid ocean]

well my pc froze had to restart ugh

hopefully didnt lose my progress

lol yup i did

[high island]

There are steps to recover your save in #h1-tech-fixes.

[limpid ocean]

too late for me

but i managed to still get the same hammer upgrade first

[twilit lodge]

You’re on the same seed

Towards the start a few things will be the same as they were but rng will still change some stuff

[limpid ocean]

yeah but i didnt get poseidon where i did the first time

[high island]

It's not too late if it's of use in the future.

[twilit lodge]

That’s because of how rng works in this game

[limpid ocean]

on the bright side i did manage to get blade rift cast and then got the one that sucks them into it

blade rift cast i bet has gotta be cool with zeus shield

[twilit lodge]

Anything can be cool!

[limpid ocean]

and the shop i got poseidon special

YEET ROCKET RETURNS

does swift flourish make my special reload faster or just the projectile speed?

[twilit lodge]

Launch animation speed

[gleaming grove]

How does hangover damage calculation work because if attack hangover damage is 10 and dash hangover damage is 5, would you be doing 15 hangover damage or one the other

[high island]

Last one that's applied only.

[gleaming grove]

That's rlly dumb

They should stack imo

[high island]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Best to just stick to only one source of Hangover in your build.

[limpid ocean]

hammer #2, wish me luck for a good roll

flurry fire, delta chamber or seeking fire

im thinking flurry fire

[high island]

Delta Chamber gives you i-frames on your Dash-Strikes.

[sterile light]

favourite weapon?

[rustic vale]

All of them

[gleaming grove]

Chiron and all of malphon

[limpid ocean]

shield, hate the sword

[sterile light]

sword has a relatively high skill floor

[rustic vale]

Every weapon is the best weapon
But spreadfire zag rail and zag bow are just the bestester

[gleaming grove]

You pick malphon to feel like sonic

[latent moon]

are fists that fast at clearing lmao

ik gilga sucks

[gleaming grove]

They do when i use them

Furiously ripping through anything and everything

Though not the best at boss killing

[sterile light]

fists are crazy fast

idk why

it feels like they have a base movement bonus

[ionic hemlock]

Found a minor (I think) bug where do I report it

[latent moon]

what's the bug

[limpid ocean]

got stuck at 1hp before the 3rd boss and then subborn defianced and clutched it with 4 hp again

[latent moon]

bugs aren't likely to get patched, and you might have found one that's already been discovered

or misunderstand something

[sterile light]

wdym by stuck

[ionic hemlock]

After beating Alecto I diddnt get the reward, and couldn’t proceed but it fixed itself when I broke a jar

[sterile light]

oh different person nvm

[limpid ocean]

while holding 1300 coins

[latent moon]

oh that sounds like a festive bug

[ionic hemlock]

I would show you but can upload images or vids

[limpid ocean]

1500*

[ionic hemlock]

Can’t

[sterile light]

chuck them up on imgur and post the link

embeds work in some channels

this is one of them

[ionic hemlock]

Should a YT ping work

Or would that be self promo

Link not ping

[limpid ocean]

sigh i lost to final boss

i gotta learn how to dodge his stuff better

[twilit lodge]

A link to a video of the bug would be fine

[sterile light]

hit and run works pretty well against him

[limpid ocean]

when using fated persuasion, are the new choices always guaranteed to be same rarity?

[rustic vale]

No

[sterile light]

depends on your base boon rarity buffs too

but yeah, it's a full reroll

actually

I imagine Eurydice and Yarn would still apply to rerolls

surely?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[sweet knoll]

was it the swings or the lasers

[vale raft]

Quick question: Thinking of getting this on Switch, how's the HD rumble in Hades?

[rustic vale]

My switch is a few years old and it handles Hades fine

[vale raft]

I'm talking about the controller vibration

[rustic vale]

Ah
I don’t get any

[twilit lodge]

It’s great

[sterile light]

Not sure tbh

I turn it off because I dislike it

[twilit lodge]

But I don’t get any because the hades controller I bought is PowerA

[rustic vale]

I just don’t like controller vibration so I turn it off

[twilit lodge]

Not official switch pro

😭

But it’s sexy asf

[sterile light]

get a binbok

👀

[twilit lodge]

A what now

[high island]

Same usually.

[vale raft]

a friend told me there's a slight rumble after you pet Cerberus

[vital tapir]

considering antos just for furies (died to meg once)

[vale raft]

can someone describe how that feels with actual switch controllers??

[twilit lodge]

The red is coming off the sticks 😦

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1052051820404559902/F14787E3-EB45-44CC-BADC-D4934A94BAE0.jpg

[vale raft]

since pc!hades supports switch pro controller, minus any of the HD rumble functions

[twilit lodge]

It feels like rumbling

What do you want from us here lol

It rumbles when you get attacked

[sterile light]

there is on my xbox one controller

[twilit lodge]

When fish nibble and bite

[vale raft]

do you even know how HD rumble feels?

[twilit lodge]

Did you just ask me if I even own an air fryer?

[vale raft]

in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the controller vibrates when you collect a coin

but if you put the controller to your ear, you can hear the Mario coin sound effect

that's how HD rumble is different from regular vibration

[sterile light]

[twilit lodge]

Yes, I have the game on switch and have played it with the joy cons

[vital tapir]

it’s hd because the controller also does something unrelated

[vale raft]

in MH Rise the monster roars are all synced to the HD rumble so every roar feels different

[twilit lodge]

Is this going somewhere?

[sterile light]

yeah, if my xbox controller is any measure the rumble is pretty HD

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale raft]

does Hades even have HD rumble on switch is what I'm asking

[sterile light]

bruh

[vale raft]

alas, my question goes unanswered

[sterile light]

the issue here is that we can't really tell what you're meaning by HD rumble

as opposed to any other 'non-HD' rumble

[vale raft]

HD rumble is literally a joycon thing

it's what it's called

[sterile light]

the joycons vibrate when you play the game on switch...

[high island]

Maybe ask in #h1-tech-support.

[sterile light]

does that answer your question?

[fallen fjord]

what are the chaos portal things that are on fire and you need to be at 10 heat to open them?

[twilit lodge]

I think we’re being actively trolled

[twilit lodge]

Erebus Gates

[sterile light]

I tend to give people the benefit of doubt

[twilit lodge]

If you kill everything inside without getting hit you get the reward on the door

If not you don’t

[vale raft]

I'm being serious here, but it seems none of you know what HD rumble actually is

[fallen fjord]

hmmm... Interesting. So you shouldnt necessarily always take the door like you would a chaos gate?

[twilit lodge]

Then I suppose we can’t answer your question

[vale raft]

joycons use linear resonant actuators as opposed to linear motors like in dualshock 4s or xbox controllers

[rustic vale]

High definition rumble? No clue

[twilit lodge]

You can if you want but they’re a risk

[vale raft]

dualsense should have something similar to HD rumble with the haptic feedbacks

[vital tapir]

dude google it or something

[rustic vale]

So
Is controller vibration make or break for you?

[vale raft]

for double dipping on the switch while it's on sale? yes

[twilit lodge]

Clearly you don’t even own an HD rumble

[vale raft]

my question is still unanswered, but whatever

[sterile light]

hey dude, we're trying to answer

[high island]

Like I said, try asking in #h1-tech-support. I understand the difference, but I ain't got a Switch.

[sterile light]

getting pissy won't be super useful

[vale raft]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MvxGcHQwo9k

here's an example of the rumble on switch

so there's no HD rumble then?

i mean, not all switch games support it (BotW for example)

[rustic vale]

There might be
I just turn off my controller vibrations in general so I wouldn’t know

[sterile light]

I usually find any kind of rumble distracting and annoying

so I turn it off

esp with games like Hades

[twilit lodge]

The rumble is fine in hades imo

[high island]

I already told you twice where you could get a definitive answer.

[twilit lodge]

I just don’t get it anymore cuz this controller

[sterile light]

But

my question is

why is this the make or break question?

[high island]

Most people in this community don't play on the Switch.

[twilit lodge]

Because they already have it

[sterile light]

is good gaem

[limpid ocean]

how much gold does the section in styx give?

[vale raft]

premuch this

[twilit lodge]

So they only want it for switch if it has hd rumble

[sterile light]

aaah right

okay

le shrug

I'm considering getting it on switch because I'll be travelling

[twilit lodge]

It’s 200 I think

[prisma wind]

Should be 100/200

[twilit lodge]

Or more

[limpid ocean]

ok im doing hades instead, im high health and 800 gold wont be enough for titan blood even with the +30%

[vale raft]

PC!Hades didn't even have DS4 lightbar support until a later patch

[rustic vale]

100/200

[twilit lodge]

Doing tunnels after you get the sack is not usually a good idea anyway

Cuz you lose health

[limpid ocean]

i bought all of them as soon as i got to styx

[twilit lodge]

Buying the blood is neither necessary nor wise

[prisma wind]

Fingers crossed for fish on the surface so you can still get some blood

[limpid ocean]

decided this run had potential so i did that instead of buying titan blood

[rustic vale]

Why did you have that many obols entering styx

[twilit lodge]

Reddit mirror

[limpid ocean]

+15% perk

[gleaming grove]

Double edge or double nova or hoarding slash

[twilit lodge]

Called it

[sterile light]

farming run with touch of gold prolly

[rustic vale]

Double edge

[limpid ocean]

I mean it adds up

[sterile light]

called it

[icy knoll]

i love getting to hades with patty and a great sword build only to be hit by every spin because i'm not used to fo1

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t if you just use your obols

[limpid ocean]

way more obols than the other one

[icy knoll]

why can't all the bosses just be fo2 it makes things so much easier

[rustic vale]

Using your obols in midshops and endshops is way more useful then saving it alk for styx

[twilit lodge]

Obols are better used throughout the run

Then you will get a blood for free

[rustic vale]

Boons earlier >>> boons later

[twilit lodge]

When you win

[prisma wind]

If someone wants to collect obols that's fine, let them play how they want 😛

[icy knoll]

i managed to find rd without rerolls and i failed the second i hit phase 2
i hate fo1

[gleaming grove]

Does arti stack with nemisis?

[latent moon]

yes

[twilit lodge]

Collecting obols is banned, you will be escorted off of the premises by the Hades police

[rustic vale]

Yes

[twilit lodge]

Nanas out here shouting

[sterile light]

fr, I was also feeling midly attacked earlier when I mentioned the same thing 😂

[latent moon]

idk what you're on about

[twilit lodge]

Resistance is futile

[sterile light]

kids these days are so 'optimal' they forget to have fun

[twilit lodge]

Play the way do

[sterile light]

smh

[twilit lodge]

I have lots of fun playing the way I want

And you should too

[sterile light]

sure you do

👀

[prisma wind]

Having fun is the optimal way to play

[high island]

Optimizing can be fun. Just gotta remember it's not for everyone.

[rustic vale]

True

[twilit lodge]

It’s for everyone, but it’s not fun for everyone

[high island]

The High Priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite.

[rustic vale]

I
Just like to keep people informed to the best of my ability
So they don’t misinform others

[sterile light]

I remember getting bored of my GY runs because thet were all very samey

[high island]

[sterile light]

and then doing first runs

and then burning out

[rustic vale]

Don’t even

[twilit lodge]

Now now, he did say to the best of his ability

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Funny skull

[latent moon]

just do gy on 32

easy tbh

easy

[simple vault]

is gy that bad?

i thought it might be better than like mayb dad spear

[twilit lodge]

Anything is better than hades spear

[high island]

I didn't say anything.

[twilit lodge]

Tree quit being mean smh

[limpid ocean]

ok so i did beat hades, but i have a few noob questions:

1. doesnt that perk reward holding on to gold since it's +15% at the end of each region? as opposed to starting with 150?
2. if I start last region with enough gold to buy the 1200 titan blood, and since hades drops titan blood on kill, does that mean I should always buy it if i can?
3. what are the benefits of buying boons from shops early? besides earlier levels obviously being easier

[rustic vale]

It’s not bad

[latent moon]

well i can answer 1 and 3 at the same time

[rustic vale]

Holding onto gold isn’t worth it

[high island]

Final shop is overpriced, too.

[rustic vale]

Boon early means you benefit from it for the whole run

More likely to reach styx endshop if you spend your obols

[latent moon]

starting with 100 gold lets you buy from tart midshop, which can allow you to buy more hp and/or lock in a god into your god pool

[high island]

But buying Titan Blood is good if you still need it and can clear comfortably.

[simple vault]

and getting core boons early means u get time for duos later

[high island]

I mean the boons etc. in the final shop are overpriced.

[limpid ocean]

i thought final shop has higher % to get rarer boons?

[rustic vale]

The only thing not overpriced in styx is 3rd hermes

[limpid ocean]

otherwise agreed

[rustic vale]

The overpriced ones are better rarity

[simple vault]

some would even say its one of the aspects

of all time

[latent moon]

if you're looking for boons with good rarities in styx (that isn't hermes), you should've tried to get that boon earlier tbh

[rustic vale]

Nope
Swind or haste

[high island]

Yes, but still overpriced for that.

[limpid ocean]

is trading a titan blood for a diamond worth?

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

No

[high island]

No, that's Achilles. Different movie.

[limpid ocean]

nvm i just got 3 diamonds anyways

[simple vault]

guys i want more titan blood

what is the best strat

do i just go high heat and kill furies

or try to get titan blood in styx shop

[rustic vale]

wait a minute

Iirc you can’t skip heat steps

so even if you dial up the heat

It won’t matter

[simple vault]

wym ive gone up to 12 😎

[rustic vale]

You’d have to clear with the weapon to do furies at the next heat

[simple vault]

what i meant to say was go to heat lvls i know i cant kill dad on

[rustic vale]

But you can’t

[simple vault]

but get all the furies with all the weapons

no not really

[rustic vale]

Unless my memory of how heat rewards work is wrong

[sterile light]

I don't either either

[prisma wind]

You don't get new bounties with a weapon until you clear the run with that weapon, so at most you can get 6 across all weapons before you have to up the heat

[simple vault]

so i shouldnt keep pushing for higher heat with one weapon and instead get all my other weapons up right?

[prisma wind]

Well, 12 counting no heat

[rustic vale]

So I am right I just didn’t have the words straight

[sterile light]

GY spear is pretty good

just gotta git gud

[rustic vale]

GY is good

[sterile light]

[simple vault]

thats the issue

[sterile light]

also never skip 0 heat

you lose out on free rewards

[simple vault]

ive done all the 0 heat

[rustic vale]

Just pull a Matty tbh

Skip from 8 heat to 32 heat

Matty is based like that

[simple vault]

i ve done chiron up to 8

struggling from there

[rustic vale]

Skip to 32 heat with chiron right now

[simple vault]

trying to get nem up

[simple vault]

👍

[rustic vale]

I mean part of the issue could be that you’re using the weakest bow aspect

[simple vault]

what chiron?

[rustic vale]

What are your pacts of punishment looking like? Not all pacts are created equal and some are unnecessarily difficult

[simple vault]

wait what

[twilit lodge]

32 Chiron is free

[simple vault]

ive been lied to

[twilit lodge]

40 however

Is expensive

[simple vault]

i thought chiron was good

[limpid ocean]

should hermes always be prioritized?

except hammer

[sterile light]

Rama is my favourite bow aspect

[rustic vale]

It’s not bad
It’s just the worst of the bow aspects

[latent moon]

hermes is basically hammer tbh

[simple vault]

rama zeus is a machine gun turret

[latent moon]

they function similarly

[sterile light]

hermes >= Hammer > everything else

[simple vault]

like dmg wise?

[limpid ocean]

though I feel like I cant benefit from hermes as much when running zeus shield

[rustic vale]

Everything wise

[rich horizon]

I am. mortified oh my god.

[simple vault]

huh

[sterile light]

zag bow is very vanilla, yes

[twilit lodge]

It’s easy to use and it’s fun

(Chiron)

Well you’re also bad at the game

You haven’t even done 40 heat

Me either

[simple vault]

wait is zag bow better than chiron?

[rustic vale]

But on another note, your issue might have to do from your pact of punishment, because you can make it really hard on yourself even at low heat

[latent moon]

i haven't cleared 40 heat in a month probably lmao

[rustic vale]

Yes

[simple vault]

wait ill tell you mine give me a sec

[rustic vale]

That’s what we’ve been saying, yes

every other bow > chiron

[rich horizon]

Chiron is my favorite aspect just bc the bow stresses me out. I don't think I've gone over ten heat even before my complete reset (save got corrupted, I had to delete it 😭)

[rustic vale]

You can use it still

[rich horizon]

im a completionist

[rustic vale]

You can have fun playing the game with anything

[twilit lodge]

Except GY

[limpid ocean]

i took 1 extra dash on my last run

[sterile light]

[rich horizon]

I support people using less strong things just bc they're more fun (god mode Aphrodite boon enjoyer here)

[sterile light]

Be based like me and play both GY and Arthur

[rustic vale]

It’s just that chiron is objectively the least powerful bow

[rich horizon]

I need to unlock Arthur it looks so much fun

[rustic vale]

that shouldn’t stop you from enjoying using it or from playing with it

[sterile light]

And GY is the best bow

[limpid ocean]

i didnt have any better options even after reroll

[rustic vale]

It’s just information to use

[simple vault]

jury sums
em 1
tight deadline
damage control
benefits package
calistenics program

that is generally what i run

[rustic vale]

Cp, dc, and js are your issues

[simple vault]

mix and match

[rich horizon]

super early game rn, just unlocked gy 😭 school keeping me really busy but winter break coming up soon

[simple vault]

i thought dc was free

no?

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

No

It’s the opposite of free

[limpid ocean]

which one is hypersprint? faster move speed?

[arctic slate]

this discord is never dead ahah

[twilit lodge]

DC Hestia 💪

[rustic vale]

preferably you oneshot enemies but damage control removes the ability to do that

[rustic vale]

Dash -> movespeed and sturdy

[simple vault]

well i play chiron

so

[twilit lodge]

One extra hit on anything is awful

[simple vault]

yeah that is annoying

[twilit lodge]

Yeah but think of all the tiny enemies you normally one shot

[limpid ocean]

also, is there a rule to what boon will be the most expensive thing in styx? Also is there a rule for when anvil does/doesnt appear?

and yes I know it's horrible I only use it when my build sucks

[rustic vale]

It’s also really annoying when you run into swarms
Also you have jury summons on so more enemies take more hits

[twilit lodge]

Random random random

[rustic vale]

Anvil is 50:50 chance

[simple vault]

so what shall i run instead of dc?

[rustic vale]

Otherwise it’s hermes

[rich horizon]

I try to build everything with at least a little capacity for aoe

[rustic vale]

Em2 lets you take off js and dc

[simple vault]

hmm ill learn hydra fight then

thx

[limpid ocean]

so, hermes or anvil 100% of the time?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[limpid ocean]

thanks

also, if i have enough coin to buy the titan blood in styx, should i always do that over any other perk since hades drops titan blood anyways?

i always get 2nd hammer

[rustic vale]

Anvil doesn’t suck, it’s perfect if you have a hammer that you don’t need and 2 hammers that would be perfect

[limpid ocean]

true

didnt think of that

[latent moon]

the initial base 70 damage from a power shot dash strike is the equivalent of the base damage of 7 of your arrows in a chiron volley
do keep in mind that your volley is 8 arrows, so at a base level it's very similar damage
dc1 might not seem useful, but your first atk does more than you think, esp when hitting break points with volleys

[rustic vale]

Since you can just rng manipulate the anvil to give you the perfect comb0

[simple vault]

k might try it out

[rustic vale]

Just rng manipulate

[limpid ocean]

okay, so here's a hammer question: It happened once to me so far where hammer never appeared on a run until the shop right before the furies boss. had to pay for it. if i dont pay, am I locked out of getting 2 hammers without getting the anvil?

[simple vault]

ahh ok thx

[rustic vale]

No

[simple vault]

guys also one more question

when do i buy anvils

[rustic vale]

Anyways anvil good because rng manipulation is a thing

[limpid ocean]

i guess I'll start running it since the last area is overpriced outside of hermes, thanks

well, go back to running it*

[simple vault]

lmao

[sterile light]

200 hours into hades

[simple vault]

as in what situation

[sterile light]

you reckon I'd be a bit better

[simple vault]

i once bought it when i had bad hammers on the sword

[rustic vale]

Any time you have a hammer you don’t want and a hammer or 2 you do want
Because then you save scum/rng manipulate for the perfect anvil

[simple vault]

got cursed slash

[sterile light]

if you have good hammers never touch anvil

[simple vault]

and then lost to dad

[rustic vale]

Lies
Even with good hammers, sometimes you want better hammers

I’m an advocate for rng manipulating your anvil

For perfect hammers

I would explain it but literally nobody questioned it when I kept bringing it up

In conclusion: take anvil whenever you want because you can just rng manipulate it until you get what you want

[simple vault]

hjow tho

[sterile light]

twin shot is awesome wdym

also

how do you check your heat clears

[raw herald]

Victory screen

[sterile light]

wtf

IGN

[raw herald]

Thegamer

[rustic vale]

Buy anvil
See what it took, if you like it, take it, if you don’t , hit pause immediately and then got quit out of the game, head back in, and cast once, buy anvil, repeat, casting (or summoning) one more time each time

Until you get perfect results

[simple vault]

me omw to beat dads ass

[rustic vale]

Idk one of the gaming articles said that the perfect lucifer build was just get every single one of athena’s non-duo boons so

[sterile light]

https://i.imgur.com/Okaavwt.jpg

had an earlier run than that apparently:
https://i.imgur.com/qlN63rE.jpg

that's my fastest clear on 16

breaching skewer is a bit better

what does that even mean

[fallen fjord]

this is interesting... I am at 13 heat playing Hera bow spec. I really thought i blew the entire run because I forgot about having to sell boons between biomes and had to sell my hyper sprint... And I lost 2 deaths defiances because I had a really weak build most of the run. But I had +70% gold gain modifier and got rich and bought myself out of trouble fully. And have a ridiculously good hourglass setup + heroic crush shot fully pommed basically. TLDR I just learned that its sometimes unwise to give up on runs cause they are going poorly https://imgur.com/a/dx9Qstp

[sterile light]

yeah we never abandon runs

[limpid ocean]

Stygian soul or infernal soul?

[fallen fjord]

well if you have high skill cap I could understand that definitely. Its like in Risk of Rain 2 the best players usually still get the job done at the highest difficulty. I didn't quit cause I was hoping i could learn something and I really did.

[rich temple]

I usually take infernal

then stygian if I'm running like

ares cast or smth

[latent moon]

if you're playing a castpect, you generally want infernal

[rustic vale]

Personal preference if you aren’t using a castpect

[latent moon]

the only time i've seen people take stygian is for trippy flare

[sterile light]

gdi

[latent moon]

or hestia

[limpid ocean]

Thanks

[rich temple]

oh right trippy flare too

[sterile light]

massive, quick or extending jab for GY

[rustic vale]

Quick

[rich temple]

I haven't done a trippy flare focused run tho so that's one of those things that just happens

[limpid ocean]

God's pride/God's legacy?*

[rustic vale]

Trippy, meme beams, and potentially hunting blades are the real only uses for stygian