#h1-discussion

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buoyant valley
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honestly I should start using sd now so I get used to it when I decide to ramp up the heat

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i don’t use all three dds anyway

latent moon
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SD isn't needed until like 25ish

buoyant valley
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ik ik but my goal is 32

latent moon
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But that's fair yeah

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SD also isn't necessary for 32 tho

buoyant valley
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it sounds much more convenient

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for the healing

latent moon
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Kinda but it makes boss fights harder because you can tank less

buoyant valley
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true

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i def need to make sure I’m ready for the bossfights

latent moon
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SD has good well items and patty

buoyant valley
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does the wiki have a page on all the BP perks

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I can’t seem to find one

latent moon
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there should be

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Shifter (green ghost) - The enemy will teleport randomly.
Bruiser (helm) - The enemy has greatly increased health and size.
Slugger (sword) - The enemy deals more damage, like the Hard Labor punishment. (Stacks with other pacts of punishment).
Puller (purple disk) - The enemy has a small 'gravitational' field around them that can not be escaped by walking. Usually takes several dashes to break free.
Savior (blue shield) - The enemy will periodically give other nearby enemies 1 shielded health, up to a max of 5.
Speeder (boots) - The enemy attacks and moves faster, like the Forced Overtime punishment. (Stacks with other pacts of punishment).
Linker (pink ray) - A laser is created from the enemy to another nearby enemy. Prioritizes linking with armored foes, but can link to normal enemies.
Cloner (skulls) - Tartarus only. Fake clones of the enemy will constantly spawn, up to a cap. Each clone has 1 hp (armor and regular each). All clones die when the original dies.
Burner (fire) - Asphodel only. The enemy will constantly create fire traps.
Seeker (green star) - Projectiles fired by this enemy will home in on you.
Popper (warrior soul) - Exalts in Elysium only. In addition to the real soul, the Exalt will drop several fake souls that explode upon death or after a few seconds.

buoyant valley
ionic quiver
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yo sup

plain dove
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Played through hades on my switch before, got it on my ps5 cuz im hyped

wide solar
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Man on my second run back and having a new save file I killed Meg lol

rose trench
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meg killed me on my first few tries, but i've never been killed by any of the fury sisters now

umbral summit
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For maybe 30 runs now, the only non-generic dialogue i've gotten is in the Nyx + Ares substory. Does that story unlock a Great Hall work order? I'm still missing something from that category

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Hmm

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That's mildly concerning

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Oh, also haven't gotten the final conversation where Skelly talks about who hired him, either

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Not sure what to do to unlock that conversation

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Maybe I need to examine his statues more, or maybe beat Charon more times?

tacit rose
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btw since i mentioned some sad stuff about my rabbit yesterday: thought i'd mention she's doing better than thought and she's still very sick but she has more of a chance than we thought. would appreciate good vibes for my lady... where should i send pics of her and the other two rabbits? i don't see a pets channel

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although she is art HONK

prisma wind
tacit rose
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ok!

twilit lodge
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Talking to ||hermes|| with it equipped kicks off the dialogues for that

umbral summit
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Okay, thanks

fallen fjord
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best way to farm meta currency on no heat?

prisma wind
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Chaos and Poseidon boons plus Dark(er) Thirst

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Take Fated Authority to reroll rooms into the meta currency you want

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Unless you mean diamonds/titan's blood, in which case fishing for them and buying in Styx is about the only way without heat, other than trading

twilit lodge
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I’d personally take fated persuasion because the room rewards aren’t very significant compared to boosting boss darkness drops with oceans bounty and chaos eclipse

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Which you can use persuasion to reroll for

umbral summit
twilit lodge
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Do you have the throne?

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You might need to inspect the mural behind dad to unlock that

umbral summit
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I've bought one that changed Hades's chair, if that's what you're talking about

twilit lodge
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Yeah it is ok

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I’m not even sure if I have the check mark for that tab tbh

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Did you get the fountain in the west hall? That was one of my latest unlocks

umbral summit
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Nyx is the only one still giving me non-generic messages in the house

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I've gotten a couple fountains, yeah

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Blood fountain was my last purchase

twilit lodge
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Has she hired dusa back?

umbral summit
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Long time ago, yeah

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I just finished (or almost finished) her subquest with Ares

twilit lodge
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Maybe you need Hypnos death dialogues lmao

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That would be such a pain

prisma wind
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Have you defeated Charon?

twilit lodge
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Yeah there’s a Charon treasure you can put by the pool

umbral summit
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Yeah, gotten his card enough times to fill the journal

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I stopped doing it much after that though, maybe I should kill him some more

twilit lodge
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And it replaces something so ugly that I wish I knew earlier that it did that

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Boatman’s treasure

umbral summit
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I'll check the shop once i'm out of this run

twilit lodge
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It replaces the fat gemstone covered pillar to the left of where you respawn

prisma wind
twilit lodge
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There’s a chair for Hypnos, a hades sigil for the middle of the hall, sarcophagi for the walkway to his desk

umbral summit
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Maybe the hades wiki has a work order list, I'll compare after this run

twilit lodge
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Like 4 different kinds of flower petals

umbral summit
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Apparently it was the east blood pool, but it took like 10 runs after buying the west one before it appeared

fluid saffron
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Dishonored 2

tired karma
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hades is not a popular game? lmao

fluid saffron
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It have its own….population

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I does not mean the trivialize the success of this game

tired karma
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it's a very popular game

fluid saffron
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Ok

slim geyser
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its popular but its indie

fiery dawn
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Yeah I think selling over 1 million copies makes it a popular game

narrow hemlock
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well, like, hades sold 700k copies during its duration in early access (a year and a half-ish), and another 300k within days of full release, and it only got more popular and well-known from there

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i imagine they sold another million easy during the first few months of full release as more and more people heard about it

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not sure sgg has ever dropped any sales figures beyond that initial 1m milestone tho

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thats just me guessing based on how the game exploded

spare tartan
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How am i meant to escape with only 30hp?!?!?!?

gray apex
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get gud

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alternatively, upgrade the weapon

olive belfry
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Ever since I did Hades fanart of a concept of Melinoe almost a year ago, I was hoping they'd add a female protagonist! This is awesome! I'm super excited they made a version of Melinoe 😄

amber hawk
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can I post images?

prisma wind
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You can post links to images

solar breach
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fun fact dishonored 2 was almost only about Emily until the devs thought people wouldnt play it cuz its a girl

amber hawk
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wait

solar breach
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the worst part is that Corvo has the cooler powers

amber hawk
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how can I get a link of an image in my clipboard?

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a wait

prisma wind
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Upload it somewhere, or post it in another Discord server and copy the image link

amber hawk
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my friend got that

amber hawk
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oh wait he made a big blunder and died well at least he unlocked demeter

twilit lodge
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Nowhere near as common as asphodel and taking tooth into tart is an L move for your build

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Whereas taking it into aspho probably won’t hurt you too badly

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Also shut up tree

bitter swan
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Does anybody know how I can make my Discord stream share stuff make Hades show which stage of the game I'm on?

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Like for me it just shows "Playing Hades" but for a friend it shows exactly what he's doing in the game

raw herald
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I’m pretty sure it shows that for everyone

amber hawk
bitter swan
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both of my things are updated that's why I asked

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it happened to me too a few months back but now it just says "Playing Hades"

amber hawk
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oof

crisp dust
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someone who is french can help me ?

amber hawk
crisp dust
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or just someone who can help me with my problem

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i can speak english it's not a problem

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but better in my language

prisma wind
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Is it a technical problem?

amber hawk
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I only know spanish and english

crisp dust
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when i start the game there is the bug reporter

amber hawk
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?

crisp dust
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but he don't say what can i do

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so

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what can i do for start hades and don't have a crash

prisma wind
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I see. If you can post details in #h1-tech-support, they might be able to help you out

crisp dust
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ty

bitter swan
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I could see the stages myself back then, it's not that big of a deal

spare tartan
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Je parle francais

crisp dust
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unfortunately

prisma wind
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I mean you should send a message in that channel asking for help. @rough token might be able to solve your problem

crisp dust
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k

sharp elm
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I wont lie, I forgot Supergiant made video games for a bit there

red hawk
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should I continue playing my normal file or should I start a new normal or start a hell mode file?

bitter swan
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do what you want

red hawk
scarlet gull
tacit rose
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butterfly ball my beloathed

twilit lodge
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Butterfly ball is better then bull wdym

latent moon
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that's because you have meg

twilit lodge
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Meg it and breathe on it and it’s dead

latent moon
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not everyone has meg bouldy

twilit lodge
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Meg issue

latent moon
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without meg, bull is much easier

solar breach
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I hate butterfly ball

twilit lodge
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All the homies love butterfly ball

latent moon
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unless you have like, breaching cross or any of the extra damage to armor stuff

solar breach
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god I wanna start playing hades again

latent moon
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what's stopping you

twilit lodge
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Personally I would just start playing hades again in that case

solar breach
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finals

twilit lodge
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Those don’t sound fun

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Hades sounds fun

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Not much of a competition tbh

solar breach
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😭

latent moon
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true

spare tartan
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Aspect of guan yu is so good

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That damage is crazy

finite dawn
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I cemtered my build atound cyrstal glare and then I accidentally hit the wrong button and got rid of after beating theseus and asterius 😭

analog elbow
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How many hours do you have played @swift inlet It sounds like you speedrun the game hehe

swift inlet
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I did/do, more or less on a break

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I'll check

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180, which is nothing

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Shows in my gameplay too lmao

latent moon
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oh bruh you have like half of mine but you have better times lmao

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okay more than half but still lmao i have 323

swift inlet
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I specifically went hard on learning to speedrun tbf

latent moon
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fair

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i did heat and speed

swift inlet
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And started it pretty early in my Hades playtime

latent moon
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true

analog elbow
swift inlet
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Lmao 40 is still my highest I think

latent moon
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oh damn when'd that happen

swift inlet
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A while ago, before I got the software to record

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I have like a 6:40-6:50 ish verified 😔

latent moon
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lmao are you gonna submit runs now

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oh based

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still a good time

analog elbow
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I just watched this and my god do you guys go hard wtf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YcVRYmbVk

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swift inlet
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Grinding for the sub6 got derailed by finals hell

latent moon
swift inlet
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Oh, that one does have really clean nuts gameplay, but that's fully planned and routed

latent moon
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that's a seeded run

analog elbow
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Eh true, but having to do all this work would make me lose all interest in running the game

latent moon
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most players do unseeded

analog elbow
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I see, cool still, I'm assuming you use a lot of the same strats

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Excluding the routing/seeding and what not

latent moon
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yeah

swift inlet
latent moon
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enemy grouping, build

swift inlet
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The thing that's most demotivating is actually the rng

analog elbow
latent moon
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speedrunning in hades is also called "tartarus simulator" lmao

swift inlet
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Which, yeah, it's a roguelike, but a single bad room can take 30 seconds or more

analog elbow
swift inlet
latent moon
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yep

swift inlet
analog elbow
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I was following the scene for a bit after release but lost interest, it's crazy to see how far it's come

swift inlet
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Congrats!

latent moon
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very nice

swift inlet
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I low key wanna do some casual runs rn and stream it

analog elbow
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Grats

latent moon
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modded wr*

analog elbow
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Oh that's cool

swift inlet
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💪 unmodded rama being 2nd

analog elbow
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Rama's fun as hell

latent moon
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Thank you ocke for unlocking hades 2 by supergiant games

latent moon
swift inlet
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"More Hades content will not drop while Croven holds the WR"

  • SGG, probably
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It's a race against time

latent moon
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croven get a sub5 later that night but it was unrecorded lmao

swift inlet
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Will SGG finish Hades 2 or will Croven swipe back WR again

latent moon
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probably croven tbh

swift inlet
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Yeah

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It takes months for someone to beat him, and then he has a new run like 5 days later

latent moon
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early access comes sometime 2023, so he's got plenty of time before degening hades2

latent moon
swift inlet
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At least bigp had the throne longer than william henry harrison

latent moon
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hold on lemme google something

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lmfao

swift inlet
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Wait wtf is ocke's god pool

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ares/aphro beo

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This is the most blursed run of all time fr

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-4 tart poms and no hammer until endshop but he gets fat chambers

latent moon
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rerolling poms 💪

swift inlet
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aspho rooms were dog but the enemy patterns carried

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this is a wack ass run

latent moon
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tmw he leaves aspho the time i leave tart

sonic sleet
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I feel bad for Hypnos a little he is literally the god of sleep XD

analog elbow
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You should try it 👍

latent moon
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midboss -> midshop -> fountain -> than god damn ocke

swift inlet
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This styx is actually ridiculous dude

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Not a single tiny rat in sight

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1 waves every time

latent moon
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oh bruh if than decided to cooperate would've been a better time

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literally 7 second time loss

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that's actually so horrid

swift inlet
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There were a couple like 1 or 2 second things too

latent moon
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i mean yeah but i feel like than's is super upsetting

swift inlet
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Like the muck up on Asterius and the tart witch needing a shield throw

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It really do be rough like that

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Hate when Than hangs around

latent moon
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esp considering ocke was in the right spot for than

sonic sleet
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I do like how if Zag teases Tisiphone her sisters get irritated.

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They apparently find her current mental state not something to joke about

twilit lodge
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Tis deserves teasing she’s the worst

swift inlet
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Factual

solar breach
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is tisiphone the psychopath?

latent moon
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aren't we all

twilit lodge
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Alecto is second worst especially when she laughs

swift inlet
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Y'know what

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I'll do a couple runs to shake some rust off

sonic sleet
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On the plus side she get's better she went from saying Murder and Murderer to "Murder Zagreus"

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Improvements XD

latent moon
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ocke's leaving styx before i even leave asphodel residentzag

solar breach
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oh alecto is the psychopath

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tisiphone is fineeee....until I dont have a rapid attack or athena dash

swift inlet
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Dumped the stream in self promo chat if you wanna drop by

solar breach
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I mess up at alecto no matter what

twilit lodge
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How fast did ocke clear?

swift inlet
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4:47

twilit lodge
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Oh that’s like.. by one second isn’t it

latent moon
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4:45

swift inlet
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Oh wait that was croven

latent moon
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47 was previous iirc

swift inlet
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ye

latent moon
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2 seconds this time lmao

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i hope croven beats it by 2 seconds as well so it'd be consistent

twilit lodge
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Sub4 before hades 2 or bust

swift inlet
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Doable with goated rooms + hacked chaos maybe

latent moon
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every free room and actually playing clean lmao

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and free rooms for c33 and 34

hardy ravine
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Yes**

latent moon
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oh wait croven got the previous wr with c33 and 34 combat

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idk man just be good lmao

solar breach
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guys wheres hades' workshop page on steam

swift inlet
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Bruh

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My actual rooms were great but the enemy patterns sucked 😩

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double chaos + fountain + sisy tart with midshop

latent moon
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it do be like that

narrow hemlock
rose trench
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huh, the charon boss fight is pretty difficult

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not the wisest decision to steal in tartarus with one boon only but i wanted to see what i was up against

twilit lodge
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Yeah it’s a lot easier if you fight him in Elysium

queen gorge
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Fight him in the right underworld?

prisma wind
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hypnos 💬 Wow! You really fought against the legendary Boatman?!

rose trench
prisma wind
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I don't remember his actual line, but it's something to that effect

buoyant valley
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is dark thirst multiplicative with chaos eclipse and poseidon’s bounty or is it just additive

prisma wind
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As far as I know they're all additive, but I haven't confirmed this

buoyant valley
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👍 ty

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good to know, so if I get dark thirst on a weapon I don’t really like while farming darkness, it’s not really going to make that much of a difference

latent moon
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well it kinda is

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20% is still a decent chunk

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hades gives like 300 darkness or something right

prisma wind
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That sounds right

latent moon
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that's 36 more, which is still a decent amount

buoyant valley
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250 I believe

latent moon
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oh wait i did the math wrong for 300

prisma wind
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I was gonna say

latent moon
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i put it into a calc wrong lmfao

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but 250 is 50 more

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which is a hefty amount

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because meg gives like 50 or something

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probably

buoyant valley
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I’d rather lose 100~ darkness if I means I don’t have to play with Varatha

latent moon
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that's very fair

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spear sucks

prisma wind
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Boss rewards are 50-100-150-250 according to the wiki

buoyant valley
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Whenever I play spear I just get irrationally frustrated

latent moon
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mood

buoyant valley
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It just feels awful

latent moon
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if you play hunting blades achilles it can be pretty brain dead

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throw casts and let it do it's thing

buoyant valley
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farming darkness also give me an opportunity to take care of some fated list stuff, like the mirror one

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nice

rustic vale
rustic vale
prisma wind
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I'm pretty sure it is too, I just didn't want to authoritatively say it was without looking at the numbers

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Even being additive you can still get some pretty good returns with good Chaos RNG

rustic vale
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yeah

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That’s why I hunted EA when I did my darkness grinds

stiff pike
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Hey do i get more rewards if i skip heat levels

twilit lodge
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No

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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You get the reward for the next level always

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Even if you make it harder than necessary

stiff pike
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Upsetti spaghetti

twilit lodge
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Yeah, sucks to have to play the game

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🤔

stiff pike
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mm what will dad say if i actually beat em4

prisma wind
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Only one* way to find out

stiff pike
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I couldnt beat dad with zeus shield so im tryin chiron bow

twilit lodge
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He says

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“Take me home, Charon”

rustic vale
latent moon
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nah

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chiron is easier

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well

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chiron has more range but more standing still

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but chiron is still one of the easier aspects for em4

stiff pike
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wel im struggling on dad so wouldn't single target dps be better

latent moon
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well zeus is a shield and blocks make everything easier

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also if you want better single target dps, hestia is gonna be stronger imo

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unless you get like, conc relent volley with heart rend

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actually hestia might not be stronger but it's gonna be safer

solar breach
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I thought chiron and charon were different

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Charon was the boatsman and chiron was a centaur

prisma wind
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They are

stiff pike
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1 i havent unlocked 4th aspect 2 i dont use block on shield 3 im probably gonna lose this run

latent moon
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hestia isn't a hidden aspect

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also the block is what makes shield one of the best weapons so you should try using it more

dry mauve
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zeus is my favorite weapon aspect
it's a lot faster of a playstyle than most shields, which feel more methodical to me

latent moon
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it's actually the 2nd slowest lmao

slim geyser
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beo zoom

latent moon
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beo zoom

dry mauve
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faster as in you're pressing more buttons

latent moon
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zag is just more damage

slim geyser
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wait is the first chaos?

latent moon
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pretty sure chaos doesn't have sub5 yet

dry mauve
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the other shields you press less buttons for

slim geyser
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that checks out

slim geyser
dry mauve
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and pressing buttons is fun

stiff pike
slim geyser
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high heat zag players probably press many buttojs

latent moon
slim geyser
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bugwulf <3

latent moon
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true

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spaghetti plate good

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chaos and zag shield play the same

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so does beo to an extent except you load casts

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zeus is more intensive

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bull rushing and throwing/recalling special and whatnot

slim geyser
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baj is doing 64 with zeus right

latent moon
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probably

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unless he feels like doing rama

dry mauve
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i mean, he did 64 with seeded zeus a while ago

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no idea what happened after that since he disappeared and then i stopped playing this game

latent moon
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oh right

slim geyser
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he talked about attempting it again b4 hades 2

latent moon
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by angel

dry mauve
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whats the difference between modded and unmodded

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i dont think people were playing modded runs when i stopped playing

latent moon
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speedrunning mod removes a chunk of rng

slim geyser
dry mauve
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oh, i know that mod but i dont think anyone really used it for high heat back then

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i guess it's accepted now?

latent moon
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guaranteed hammer, 4 boon choices at start
no barge, bull miniboss, or tiny vermin
guaranteed 2 sack in styx

latent moon
stiff pike
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Zeus is pretty much 2 zagreus at once if you upgrade both special and attack

slim geyser
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dont get vorimed is my favorite

latent moon
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at high heat you need good rng

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mod helps a ton with that

stiff pike
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I am nearing the end of elysium with my only source of special attacks buff being shackles

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i have lost 2 death defiances

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i am very dead

latent moon
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what are you running? zeus or chiron

stiff pike
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chiron

latent moon
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and is this just purely em4

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because you should be starting with a special boon

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shouldn't be running shackle on chiron

dry mauve
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i can definitely see why good rng is necessary on super high heat, since TD3 is impossible with other pacts unless you get good luck
im not good enough at this game to do really high heat though so the issue for me was always "if you die just get better"

latent moon
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lmao true

stiff pike
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noo im gonna disappoint the shade

dry mauve
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my goal before I stopped playing was 32 heat with all aspects
some of them were a lot easier than others

latent moon
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yeah i'm like 3/4 done

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the last bit are just horrible

dry mauve
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chiron was my first weapon that i did 32 heat with
it's real straightforward to use

latent moon
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32 chiron was one of my best chiron build i've ever got lmao

dry mauve
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aphro/artemis on special and then just take the hammers that make your special better

stiff pike
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i take it back i beat champion

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this is for you shade

dry mauve
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yay

stiff pike
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help me here do i stick to shackles or switch to mom pom

latent moon
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shackle

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mom pom is bad

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you dont have a special boon

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mom pom isn't gonna help you get any damage on that

dry mauve
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you really should have taken a special boon though

stiff pike
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mom pom is fine in styx

latent moon
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eh

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is it tho

stiff pike
latent moon
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100%

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do you have any aphrodite boons

stiff pike
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with the way styx works yea its fine

dry mauve
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i think starting with either artemis or aphrodite special leads to really powerful chiron builds

stiff pike
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no i havent ran into aphrodite

latent moon
#

then you wont get better damage

dry mauve
#

so i would generally recommend forcing one of those with a keepsake in tartarus if your goal is just winning

latent moon
# stiff pike with the way styx works yea its fine

not really, you get 4 maybe 5 random poms
what are the chances they actually land on the stuff you want? besides, at that point you should have enough poms on the important boons. any more poms at that point isn't gonna be as useful as a defensive keepsake

#

if you're desperate for poms going into styx then there's a different issue

#

also

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what do you even want to pom

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you dont have a special boon, and that's your only damage source

dry mauve
#

tbh i think acorn is generally best for styx if your goal is winning

#

that keepsake real good

stiff pike
#

i got frost flourish

latent moon
#

at this rate i doubt it's gonna be a win tbh, considering no special boon

stiff pike
#

prob still gonna lose

latent moon
stiff pike
#

no its 119

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116*

dry mauve
#

what heat is this on?

stiff pike
#

10

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i just wanted to beat em4

dry mauve
#

oh, frost flourish is fine

latent moon
#

oh i forgot the % for special is much higher than the atk

dry mauve
#

slowing the boss down will help you beat EM4

latent moon
#

it'll work

dry mauve
#

its not the best, since dealing a lot less damage than artemis or aphrodite builds means you have to actually dodge more attacks, but at least those attacks will be slower

stiff pike
#

shouldve switched to mom pom tho

latent moon
#

should've switched to acorn if anything

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mom pom is not good

dry mauve
#

if you just want to win acorn is by far the best

latent moon
#

acorn or tooth

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or spear point

dry mauve
#

acorn saves so much HP in the boss fight

stiff pike
#

well

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if i purge alot of boons mom pom is op

latent moon
#

well em4 is likely to screw over acorn with butterfly ball and sneak

latent moon
#

if your important boons aren't about level 5 entering styx then you either got unlucky poms or just didn't get poms

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and at that point

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it'd be better to just take acorn for defensive value

stiff pike
#

i give up

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elite pom didn't hit flourish

latent moon
#

if you really want to use mom pom, use it from the start
but then you lose control of your build so that's a different issue

latent moon
stiff pike
#

worst of all, no fish.

solar breach
latent moon
#

3 chances to hit a boon you want but you still dont get it, what makes you think mom pom will randomly hit it lmao

solar breach
#

I suck at this game and need skelly at the final boss all the time

latent moon
#

acorn is better than skelly

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unless the dad summons screw you over

stiff pike
#

whats a good keepsake anyways

latent moon
#

your keepsake rotation should be god -> different god -> util/defense -> defense

dry mauve
#

generally god keepsake for the first two biomes, your choice for the third, acorn for the last

latent moon
#

so for chiron

dry mauve
#

would recommend starting with either aphro or artemis in tartarus

latent moon
#

dionysus/artemis -> aphrodite -> acorn/tooth -> acorn/tooth/spearpoint

latent moon
stiff pike
#

Hm what if i use chthonic purse for the whole run

dry mauve
#

with aphro special you build towards the legendary

latent moon
#

it's a waste

latent moon
#

forgot that existed

dry mauve
#

each of the special arrows has a chance to charm, so you can semi stunlock bosses with it

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its not perfect but it makes them attack a lot less frequently

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also if i start with aphrodite I keep an eye out for zeus since smouldering air is broken

latent moon
#

true

dry mauve
#

the other build I like is just artemis special + aphro attack + heart rend

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which is fairly basic but it works

latent moon
#

if you start with dionysus, dont take an extra source of hangover because hangover overrides itself

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also take priv status if starting with dio

dry mauve
#

I like dio call a lot (its the best one imo) but a lot of his other boons are pretty bad imo so I typically dont like forcing dio

latent moon
#

strong drink and premium vintage are nice

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so is the one where he restores to a threshold

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and reduce damage underneath a threshold

stiff pike
#

now that i just had the worst luck am i going to get the best luck now

latent moon
#

nope

#

it could be worse

dry mauve
#

do you have full mirror?

stiff pike
#

i just got crit flourish

latent moon
#

based

dry mauve
#

the last few mirror skills really help with putting together a strong build consistently

latent moon
#

oh yeah the last 3 are pretty strong

dry mauve
stiff pike
#

i just got heartbreak flourish heroic lmao

latent moon
#

did you get a hammer yet

stiff pike
#

this is the 2nd chamber

dry mauve
#

i mean i like both artemis and aphrodite special, so whichever one you go with is fine

latent moon
#

oh bruh lmao

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i personally would not take the replacement

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if attack isn't offered, just take something else imo

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but to each their own

stiff pike
#

no aphro is heroic its like a 70% increase

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i dont have other good choices

#

you think i'll get chaos flourish?

latent moon
#

having aphrodite in your god pool is already good tbh

#

heart rend is still pretty good, and it relies on arty special

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but do whatever

latent moon
dry mauve
#

artemis numbers are deceiving since crit scales multiplicatively in this game

stiff pike
#

didnt get it even after reroll not that i need it

dry mauve
#

so its actually a huge damage bump when you crit

#

if you have artemis special you want to look for heart rend
if you have aphrodite special you want to look for the legendary, whatever its called

#

check in your codex for requirements

stiff pike
#

do i steal from charon

latent moon
#

no

#

that will be the reason why you dont clear em4 lmao

stiff pike
#

hmm

dry mauve
#

if you're not familiar with the fight probably not recommended

stiff pike
#

but

#

money

#

im going in

latent moon
dry mauve
#

though I do think that charon is really telegraphed so if you're comfortable with him the fight is pretty easy

latent moon
#

and then you lose 2 death defiances and wonder what went wrong

dry mauve
#

but he does a buttload of damage so if you mess up its really bad

latent moon
#

40 damage per swing iirc

#

that or 50

#

big number tho

dry mauve
#

basically i think the fight is high variance
his attacks are pretty easy to dodge for what is generally considered a "hard" boss, but if you dont dodge them you take so much damage

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sometimes you go into the fight and beat him while taking 0 damage, other times you lose one or more lives

latent moon
#

also he's hardest to fight in tartarus

stiff pike
#

its fine

#

i only lost all my death defiances

latent moon
#

lmao who would've thunk

#

just get patty tbh

#

and then lose them all at heroes lol

stiff pike
#

what if patroculus dont show up

latent moon
#

i mean the fact that you have no DDs left is already a high chance of losing

dry mauve
#

tbh i think heroes was the hardest boss for me when i first started playing, took me much longer to beat them for the first time than to beat hades
but after getting more experienced they became fairly easy whereas hades remained somewhat challenging

#

(this is on not FO2 btw)

latent moon
#

if patty doesn't show up and then you're probably very screwed

dry mauve
#

on FO2 the heroes fight is really bad

#

bull man goes crazy

stiff pike
#

its fine i usually dont use my dd until hades anyways

tulip pumice
#

Came here to say that I beat the hydra on my first try and then immediately died to lava

#

kill me

latent moon
#

based

twilit lodge
#

Dying to lava while fishing is best

tulip pumice
#

YOU CAN FISH???

latent moon
stiff pike
#

yeah its a house contractor upgrade

dry mauve
#

honestly i didnt get used to not stepping in lava randomly until many, many hours into the game

stiff pike
#

fish at surface gives very valueable stuff

tulip pumice
#

fishing sounds fun

dry mauve
#

though i do think hydra is the easiest boss

stiff pike
#

that guy is going to hate em2 lmao

tulip pumice
dry mauve
#

relative to the experience you have with the game once you reach the boss

tulip pumice
#

that's true

dry mauve
#

like the first boss is hard because when you get there you have no idea what you're doing

#

but I think if you're a new player and have beaten all of tartarus and asphodel up to the hydra, that boss fight should be fairly easy

#

then elysium is hard again and the boss is even worse

stiff pike
#

difficulty really does spikes at redacted though

dry mauve
#

last boss is definitely the hardest boss, but I do think that relative to the skill I had when I first met the boss, the champions where harder

twilit lodge
#

Champions are harder in a different way than dad

#

Some builds will have no problem with them but dad is still rough

#

And other way around sometimes

dry mauve
#

also there was a spear discussion earlier and I want to mention that hades spear is probably my second favorite aspect
i hate all the other spears though, they're poopy 😠

twilit lodge
#

Hades spear is soooooo

#

Ooooooooo

#

Not great 😦

latent moon
#

for aotw it's hades spear lmao

dry mauve
#

it fits my playstyle

stiff pike
#

average hold button user

dry mauve
#

big spin

stiff pike
#

hey is bone hourglass good

dry mauve
#

also on that aspect a lot of the hammers are useful, which is nice

latent moon
#

or rather, depends what's in the well before you buy it

stiff pike
#

what about egg

twilit lodge
#

Egg is neither cool nor egg sadly

latent moon
#

only good if you bought an ixion from the well, but even then there might be more important things to get

dry mauve
#

theres an argument for taking it in elysium maybe?
if you're lucky you can carry over a well item from there into styx if you have bone hourglass

twilit lodge
#

Elysium is like

latent moon
#

for ely, hourglass is fine

twilit lodge
#

The main place to use hourglass

latent moon
#

although

stiff pike
#

i like how the purging pool always gives the option to completely ruin your run for capital

latent moon
#

depends on the well items before ely

twilit lodge
#

Because you can get well items in the room after hydra

dry mauve
#

but generally its hard to beat god/god for the first two biomes and acorn in the last one

twilit lodge
#

Well items during ely

#

Well items after heroes

#

All with hourglass bonus

latent moon
#

i typically dont take hourglass if the well items before ely isnt good

#

actually that's a lie i use it for the well before styx and then switch it

twilit lodge
#

Acorn is great for last area until you learn how to build well enough that you don’t use it

stiff pike
#

i have 2 boons i could take mom pom

latent moon
#

so yeah it's probably fine

latent moon
#

why do you only have 2 boons

twilit lodge
#

Mom Pom not good

latent moon
#

what do you even have

stiff pike
#

nor shops

twilit lodge
#

God keepsakes, hourglass, purse, shackle, acorn, Spearpoint, sigil

latent moon
#

bouldy starting to figure out why em4 is a struggle

stiff pike
#

heroice aphro flourish and athena attack

latent moon
#

what levels are they

twilit lodge
#

Those are basically the only keepsakes considered “meta”

latent moon
#

if either of them are level 3 i wouldn't even bother taking mom pom tbh

stiff pike
#

attack is 0 flourish is 3

latent moon
#

yeah i'd stick with hourglass

dry mauve
#

okay here is what you do
take aphrodite keepsake

latent moon
#

or aphrodite keepsake

twilit lodge
#

Here’s what you do

#

Press start

stiff pike
#

so youre saying i should amplify weak?

twilit lodge
#

Select Give Up

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

And this time get boons

dry mauve
#

the best boon atm is the legendary so just take whatever you need to to enable that to show up

twilit lodge
#

And turn on dark foresight

stiff pike
#

i dont see the start button im on pc

latent moon
dry mauve
#

best one is the one that makes weak enemies take extra damage

#

but if you dont find that, anything that enables the legendary is fine

twilit lodge
#

#teamgiveup

stiff pike
#

ya srue sound good

#

i got legendary prereq

#

got smoldering air

latent moon
#

based

stiff pike
#

god run if i get patro

latent moon
#

what's your call

stiff pike
#

zeus

#

should replace

#

for like athena or somth

dry mauve
#

zeus call is good

latent moon
#

zeus for damage, athena if you need safety
dont sell the call tho tbh

#

because you're not guaranteed to get a call again

#

just take what you get tbh

#

hitting call gives you iframes

stiff pike
#

im gonn have lunch

edgy bison
#

Is there a guide for getting through elysium? That region is eating up my time

#

And when can you start to use companions on hades?

stiff pike
# edgy bison And when can you start to use companions on hades?

Summons vs Hades

At first, only Shady and Rib may be used against Hades. However, once you have forged a sufficient bond with him and a few others, he will grant you authority to use any of the companions against him.

This authority requires:

7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades
dry mauve
#

what are you struggling with in elysium specifically?

#

in general that region just naturally takes a lot of time to clear unless your build has very good damage

#

enemies start having a lot more hp

edgy bison
#

Rooms are just so large and i get THOSE rooms where everyone is spread out consistently, always taking like 4 min to reach styx

stiff pike
edgy bison
#

Not in my case

#

I can clear asphodel in 2

#

Like i literally just did

stiff pike
#

2 seconds??!?!?!?!?!??!?

dry mauve
#

4 min to clear all of elysium is pretty fast, all things considered

edgy bison
#

I want that sub 12 tho

dry mauve
#

okay so I assume you're already familiar with the game if you're trying to speedrun

#

one thing you can potentially do is manipulate enemy spawns

edgy bison
#

Granted i havent been able to use companions on hades as of yet and my pb is like 12:05

dry mauve
#

the game tries to spawn enemies close to you when possible

#

so after you clear a wave if you stand in the corner then the enemies spawning in will be slightly closer together, since there's less room near you for them to spawn into

#

this saves a small amount of time

#

if you want to turn on EM2, this also saves a tiny bit of time

#

as does forced overtime

edgy bison
#

Is using heat to buff enemies good? Like to make them move faster or spawn quicker

dry mauve
#

force overtime makes enemies spawn faster, but it also makes it harder obviously, so you'll have to learn that difficulty

#

EM2 makes the hydra fight faster and is barely a difficulty increase

#

so definitely turn it on

#

the other important thing is that there is a codex exploit that can save time

#

but you cant use it for official speedruns because it's considered an exploit

#

if you just want to push the in-game time down though, it will work

edgy bison
#

Spill the beans

dry mauve
#

if you open the codex after clearing a room, it pauses the in-game timer but the game keeps on going

#

this is most useful in the thanatos room

#

since he takes forever to do his little speech and then give you a heart after the room is cleared

#

but if you open your codex he does all that while the timer is paused

#

also minorly useful for other rooms because it takes a small amount of time after clearing a room for the doors to unlock, which you can cut out by opening the codex

#

but that's a very small benefit

raw herald
#

It can also be abused

edgy bison
#

Interesting

raw herald
#

I’d just stay clear of codex

#

Tbh

dry mauve
#

oh, also use TD1 when playing

raw herald
#

For igt use td0

dry mauve
#

since it removes survival rooms

#

oh wait

#

yeah nevermind

#

if you want to get a low in game time no tight deadline is better

#

forgot survival rooms pause timer

edgy bison
#

Ya

#

Ill try these out, thanks

raw herald
#

What aspect are you running?

edgy bison
#

Usually nemesis sword or demeter fists

raw herald
#

Yeah those kinda struggle unless your build is online

edgy bison
#

Tell me about it, i barely did any damage my last run

raw herald
#

Another tip is that if you’ve not seen than yet, prioritise menu rewards so that if you do see him, you can hide in the menu while he drops the heart

#

As an expansion to what silly was saying

edgy bison
#

Is bow worth learning or would it be better to just use rail

latent moon
#

for speed running? eris is gonna be easier

chilly pond
#

wen hades 2

raw herald
#

Yeah

chilly pond
#

also are they sick of people asking yet

latent moon
edgy bison
#

So eris and turn on the auto aim

latent moon
#

yeah

raw herald
#

Yep

#

Eris or dem are probably most peoples first sub 10s

latent moon
#

lightning strike, some % special, clockets, win

#

mine was beo lmao

dry mauve
#

you do want to high roll rockets if you can

#

but in general eris is good because damage bonus on everything is a very powerful/consistent weapon bonus for speedrunning

latent moon
#

free rd basically

raw herald
#

🆓

latent moon
#

🆓

raw herald
#

I’d rather have HL0.5

twilit lodge
raw herald
#

Mine was eris

wind rover
#

out of curiosity what are the chances for getting a duo boon?

twilit lodge
#

🤷‍♂️

#

I heard 50% once but that doesn’t sound right

#

Might have been 50% chance that any of the 3 options will be a duo

#

Still sounds too high

wide solar
#

Are there characters that you have to give multiple nectars to get a second reward from them?

#

I've tried to look it up but I can't find anything

twilit lodge
#

No

#

You never get a second reward for nectars

#

But there are 6 characters who give a second reward when you give them the first ambrosia

wide solar
#

Which ones

twilit lodge
#

And for 3 of them, that’s the last heart. But for 3 other, you can keep giving more ambrosia

#

Meg Than and Dusa take multiple ambrosia but give reward for the first

#

Skelly Sisyphus and Achilles take one ambrosia and give the reward

#

To give ambrosia you have to give them as much nectar as possible, then unlock the next heart by doing a favor for them

#

Which can be anything from a random dialogue to finishing a prophecy

wide solar
#

Not my precious nectar

twilit lodge
#

🤨

#

That’s what it’s for

wide solar
#

I know lol

#

But to me it is precious

#

I need to get the first rewards for everyone first then I'll stack up nectar for that

twilit lodge
#

Good plan

#

Meg is a good choice to go for first since you see her often

#

And her companion is good

wide solar
#

Oh I love talking to meg that sweet voice

twilit lodge
#

Once you don’t have any work orders to spend gems on I’d suggest trading them for keys and if you don’t have any weapons left to unlock or mirror talents to unlock, then you can trade keys for nectar

#

And have plenty

wide solar
#

Do you only use gems for a few things

twilit lodge
#

You use them for lots of cosmetic stuff

#

And for quite a lot of work orders at the start

#

The fountain unlocks etc

#

But once you start needing diamonds for work orders the gems are less important

#

Basically anything on the first page of the house contractor you want to buy

#

The other pages are almost entirely cosmetic stuff

wide solar
#

Yeah I've realized that

#

That I'll probably do last

#

witch cosmetics

#

with*

twilit lodge
#

Some of them actually do stuff, but most don’t

#

The pool in your room does stuff

#

Some of the lounge things do stuff

wide solar
#

@twilit lodge you only use keys for unlocking all the weapons and then the mirror right?

twilit lodge
#

Yeah

#

Sometimes the broker has a trade of 15 keys for a titans blood

#

But other than that you’re free to turn keys into nectar after you unlock weapons and mirror

wide solar
#

awesome

twilit lodge
#

Very late game there’s some other uses for keys but they’re cosmetic and by then you should be able to get them without an issue

wide solar
#

nice. Man skelly tooth is clutch af

white shell
#

mother bad word hades has a 2nd phase

#

i am going to lose it

tired karma
#

14k players on steam
damn, nice

old dawn
#

and a third sometimes

vapid pumice
formal sinew
vapid pumice
#

I'm...Well, 35 hours and 45 runs in.

raw herald
#

hades has a second phase????

vapid pumice
#

If they're talking about the underworld, I think so.

white shell
vapid pumice
#

House, Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium, The Mazes, and then the Surface.

#

The maze is less complex than it sounds, but it's interesting.

white shell
vapid pumice
#

Trying to figure out what you mean ig?

white shell
#

i meant i am going to lose my mind

#

because i lost to hades when i thought i had killed him

#

and i even had 6 hp left

formal sinew
vapid pumice
#

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

#

Gotcha

#

Yes he does

#

Might I recommend revenge damage?

gray apex
#

no

twilit lodge
#

What bouldy

#

I was making a joke that hades has a phase 2

#

Called Hades 2

wide solar
#

oh that was what you meant xd

#

I was like what

wide solar
#

Lol I have 9 attempts and 2348 enemies killed. Why do I feel like that's much

twilit lodge
#

Big numbers

wide solar
#

Bingus I just unlocked the aspects of the weapons. Aspect of zagreus seems pretty lit

#

with crit chance

#

The other 2 seem kinda meh

twilit lodge
#

Zagreus bow is pretty cool when leveled

#

It’s not as flashy or exciting as Chiron or hera but it’s good

wide solar
#

The effects on chiron and hera seem kinda bad tho ngl

twilit lodge
#

They’re not

#

Chiron makes the special actually useful

raw herald
#

And hera is one of the best speedrun aspects in the game

twilit lodge
#

All of the arrows home in on whatever you hit last with attack

#

So it’s very safe and distant focused damage

#

And Hera is just nuts

wide solar
#

Really? How

twilit lodge
#

Casts scale very well

wide solar
#

Huh. I almost never use the cast, I just don't like it for some reason

twilit lodge
#

Hera makes them much more usable

#

Even if you’re not using casts for the damage they do on their own, they’re worth using to apply the boiling blood debuff

raw herald
#

Base cast isnt useful for raw damage after Tartarus

#

But cast boons (specifically Aphrodite cast on hera) gets a lot of benefit from poms

#

And the aspect removes the short range weakness of the cast

twilit lodge
#

And if you’re blowing things up instantly the stones pop right back out

#

Which is probably part of why you don’t like using casts

#

Waiting for the ammo

wide solar
#

There is only one room that makes me tilt so much in this game and it's with the flying medusa head and the rock mini boss fight in Asphodel. I hate it with a passion

queen gorge
#

My sleepy brain read that as "cats scale very well"

twilit lodge
#

It’s kinda frustrating yeah

twilit lodge
twilit lodge
wide solar
#

the medusa head

#

Makes me want to pull out my hair

twilit lodge
#

Meg’s companion summon helps a lot for this fight, and all the miniboss battles for that matter

#

Yeah the Gorgon is annoying because the projectiles don’t always come out the same pattern

#

Easy to get petrified

queen gorge
#

Those large guys who push me into floor spikes

#

I am not very good at this game

twilit lodge
#

Dash more

queen gorge
#

👍

misty gorge
#

Why is demeter cast so good

#

I tried aspect of achilles but game instead gave me 4 demeter casts that each lasts 14 seconds
Without the 10 chill = explosion boon so it could have been better

marble mesa
#

just wondering, how hard is boatman?

brisk trail
#

u just have to get used to seeing the sign of him doing the big sweep and dashing asap

#

other than that its p easy once u control ur timing of dashes

#

charon isnt very tanky either if u have an at least functioning/synergized build

marble mesa
#

a ok thx

brisk trail
#

if ur failing a lot dw i did too

#

its normal if u fail the first 5 times i think

marble mesa
#

i thought he would be harder tho, i beat him first try

brisk trail
#

but now i beat him every time i get to him

#

damn ok

marble mesa
#

btw im new to the game, i don't know any builds yet but have beaten 'redacted' multiple times now

twilit lodge
wide solar
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crap I died on hades. Attempt 11

twilit lodge
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Means you’re getting closer to succeeding

misty gorge
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I tried to make a weapon build not using the weapon as a buffer for cast damage

candid laurel
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hey hey i need help for something

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i got the "trading card booster" and when i click on it my steam just dies

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Hades trading cards

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are they already redeemed or do i have to redeem them

wide solar
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Man I just unlocked Deremeter (I think that's her name, the goddess of seasons) and this run alone I've found 3 boons from her. What is this

queen gorge
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Demeter, goddess of the harvest and agriculture

rustic vale
misty gorge
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Her laser turrets erased hades from existence
Got the duo with artemis right before the final fight and hermes rapid cast

heavy sigil
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._.

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isnt that duo like

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awful

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or like semi decent

old dawn
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arty demeter duo is fun

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helps your lack of aim a lot

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overbuffed crystals are actually funny especially if you can keep getting them off in multiples with stygian soul every 3s

rustic vale
old dawn
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yep

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otherwise some enemies are too mobile

sturdy nimbus
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It's like Ares cast but worse

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without a duo boon helping it, it just sits there being useless most of the time

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at least Ares without hunting blades still does some respectable damage

serene shadow
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Demeter Cast is great but its build demanding

trail thorn
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where dog go

rose trench
misty gorge
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You don't need to have good tracking on ares if you overpom the size boon so its as large as arena

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Only reason why I got to that point was because poseidon overwrite my keepsake and said HEY BRO NICE FISH TAKE THIS

uneven monolith
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I got a question with heat. If I have rewards for Heat 2 and I go for a Heat 10 run with the same weapon, will I gain all 8 rewards all at once?

tulip coral
uneven monolith
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Thanks!

twilit lodge
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The eternal question

trail thorn
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can i take dog with me

pure karma
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HADES 2 now way...

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Like I must be dreaming

tulip coral
trail thorn
tulip coral
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don't think he fits through the window

trail thorn
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:(

tulip coral
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felt the same

trail thorn
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is it possible to see how many times ive pet dog

tulip coral
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i don't actually know, maybe there is a counter but i haven't seen it

trail thorn
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it will fuel my addiction to pet cerbus

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how high can the number go?

tulip coral
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how long have you been playing the game/petting the good boy?

trail thorn
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ive played it for 8.4 hours, with like 1 hour being just me petting cerbus

tulip coral
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nice! what else do you like about the game, outside of giving pets to cerberus?

twilit lodge
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Petting Cerberus more

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I think Cerberus’s favor requires you to have petted him at least x number of times but I might just be making that up

trail thorn
tulip coral
trail thorn
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its when you pet him 20 times iirc

cyan jolt
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Wow

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Em3 asterius with maxed forced overtime is insane

tulip coral
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waht

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oh

cyan jolt
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Autocorrect

tulip coral
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what do you mean by em3

cyan jolt
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Extreme meassures

tulip coral
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ah

cyan jolt
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3

latent moon
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beyblade spinning at you at mach 4 is always a good time

cyan jolt
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I have a lot of respect for Speedrunners now

latent moon
tulip coral
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i am people

cyan jolt
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Because forced overtime really is something

latent moon
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ah

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fo2 isn't that much of a hassle once you get used to it, it's kinda like relearning enemy timings

tulip coral
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i am horrible with time

latent moon
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and once you get used to it, it becomes second nature

trail thorn
cyan jolt
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The thing is

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I just attack

latent moon
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just attack faster

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and dont get hit

tulip coral
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damn i really mixed it up

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sorry

cyan jolt
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I like how free tight deadline is

latent moon
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just go fast

brisk trail
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Hi

tulip coral
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hello

brisk trail
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Do you have international shipping on that site?

narrow hemlock
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if youre ordering from eu they have an eu shop

brisk trail
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I will order from abroad

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Is there any chance to come

void vigil
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it is an official merch site, so it is reliable. my orders arrived fast and securely and there is international shipping

quiet chasm
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do you keep ur nectar when u die

void vigil
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yep

twilit lodge
fallen fjord
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Question : I am about to go into biome # 2 on a hera bow run. I have epic divine strike attack from Athena right now... If I have the Artemis Keepsake on does it make me less likely to find the Artemis attack from a boon if i always have an attack?

latent moon
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yes

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you can get a replacement boon, but those aren't very likely

fallen fjord
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so maybe i should sell my attack?

latent moon
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a 10% chance or something? idk

latent moon
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you dont need artemis atk

fallen fjord
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well idk the whole artemis toolkill seems to be working well for me

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with hunters mark, arty attack

latent moon
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i mean it's hera, the main focus is your cast anyways

latent moon
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or marked

fallen fjord
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true. I should have seleted Demeter to get snow burst sooner...

latent moon
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probably

fallen fjord
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without crit synergies from the attack the toolkit is a bit moot

latent moon
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wdym by toolkit

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it's hear, you just need crush shot and poms tbh

fallen fjord
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like the synergistic crit boons

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yes i have crit shot and poms currently

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well i always try at least

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Im sad i didnt go for demeter for snow burst or rare crop

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i find snow burst to be a little rare to see so far

latent moon
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if you fill your cores early then you're more likely to see it

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the game will always offer you core boons until they're all filled out

fallen fjord
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oh... i always have cores missing lol

latent moon
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so attack, special, cast, and dash

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if you're looking specifically for something, doing that will help a bit

fallen fjord
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cuz i never use my special