#h1-discussion

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latent moon
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Imagine not being the first person to do 64 heat at run 85

swift inlet
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Oh my God

shadow pivot
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Lol 85 is probably wrong, probably more close to 100

swift inlet
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Bananas i just remembered

latent moon
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Oh no

lean timber
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bananer

acoustic bolt
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it's weird at some point speed just clicked and tight deadline was almost completely fine.

shadow pivot
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I havent reopened the game in a hot minute

swift inlet
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I missed the sub 8 because I fat fingered full call

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On poseidon

latent moon
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Lmfao

shadow pivot
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My first escape was at 24 and then I have only failed a handful of times

swift inlet
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I hate it here

latent moon
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This is why we never take calls

swift inlet
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I should've taken oceans bounty or whatever lmao

latent moon
swift inlet
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Td3 dc2 js3

latent moon
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I never take calls unless it's Zeus or dio

swift inlet
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Yeah calls bad unless they're named smair

latent moon
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And that yeah

swift inlet
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Damage

latent moon
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Big damage

shadow pivot
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Idk what this means tbh

latent moon
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On par with Zeus call unless you get like 5 other Zeus boons

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Dio needs poms

swift inlet
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Wait

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Doesn't zeus just want jolted on something like smair

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Do you really need splitting that much

latent moon
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I think common Dio call goes from 18 to 25 on first pom lol

swift inlet
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Nah splitting crazy lmao

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Bad example

latent moon
swift inlet
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Double strike is nice ig but not really that needed

twilit lodge
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Imagine not 100% the game by run 3

lean timber
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i would rather die

high island
swift inlet
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Nah em4

high island
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But Zeus'Aid gives Smair faster.

twilit lodge
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Black out

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šŸ˜Ž

swift inlet
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Black out wack

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When are you using hangover w trippy shot

twilit lodge
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Damn zagreus got them killer allergies

swift inlet
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Hangover is awful with beo what

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That means the legendary is still useless

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Cast damage scaling really is dumb

latent moon
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i mean depending on the build, you might want aphrodite and zeus on other cores besides the call first
if you happen to naturally find dio and his call is offered, it's still a good call and would open up smair

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because you cant be offered smair without a call

twilit lodge
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Cause of Death: Witchcraft

latent moon
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true

rustic vale
swift inlet
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I hate that

rustic vale
swift inlet
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Idk if thats true since I don't touch fists with a ten foot pole (guan yu)

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But if it works ig

latent moon
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would you touch it with zag spear

swift inlet
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I wouldn't even touch fists with gigaros

latent moon
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true

swift inlet
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Also blackout is barely higher than common rd lmao

latent moon
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just infoed back out and tbh it's not that bad lmao

swift inlet
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Seems super impractical

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Trippy is already kinda niche

latent moon
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i mean it's good against bosses

latent moon
swift inlet
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Tripchilles šŸ§ 

latent moon
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and yeah you lose boiling blood but if you have blackout it's better boiling lol

latent moon
swift inlet
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Flurry trippy is very funny

latent moon
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true

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better boiling but conditional

swift inlet
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Buff dem so crystal clarity is a t2

twilit lodge
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Thatā€™s gaming

swift inlet
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Also make her other boon native

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The one that buffs crystal duration + adds chill

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Just make that part of the cast

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Buffed dem castspect would be really fun

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It's fun already but not worth hunting for when I wanna have fun lmao

latent moon
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dem cast just sucks lmao

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@randy thoughts on dem cast

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lmfao

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snow burst is just worse curse of drowning

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or better

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up to interpretation

swift inlet
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Much better

hard viper
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Interpratino

swift inlet
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Helps castspects a good bit

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Instead of actively harming them

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That's way better lmao

hard viper
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What is beo?

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Oh, how do you get that

swift inlet
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5 blood in shields

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Talk to chaos a lot

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After the 5 blood

hard viper
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What is gy lol

latent moon
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guan yu

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guan your mother

swift inlet
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Spear hidden

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(Inside your mom)

latent moon
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lmfao

hard viper
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And how is that hidden spear unlocked lmao

latent moon
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invest at least 5 blood into nonzag aspects, then talk to achilles (idk if you have to be holding a spear or not)

shadow pivot
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Well I friggin lost hard against EM4 hades*

latent moon
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yeah em4 kinda rough

lean timber
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this is precisely why you don't run em

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4

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no

latent moon
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you can easily beat em 1 and 2 first try tbh, em3 needs a bit of luck, going into em4 completely blind is just death

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maybe i shouldn't have said easily for em2

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but it's doable

swift inlet
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I run ME on ap2 uc

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Get ME in tart, sell it for the gold, then get it back in c17 right away

latent moon
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except that one time where you get the boons you want from ap2 lmao

swift inlet
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Hera might be fine with ap2 uc?

latent moon
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exactly lmao

latent moon
swift inlet
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As long as you get to keep your cast you're fine

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At least at low heat

latent moon
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em4 ri3

swift inlet
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Yes

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I simply highroll ri for epic greatest reflex

latent moon
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that also sucks yeah

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that's why it sucks lol

swift inlet
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Yep

latent moon
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if you want you can do js3 instead of hs cf2

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or cp2 js1

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okay buddy

swift inlet
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My 16 heat was just like

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Em3 td3 some other stuff

shadow pivot
swift inlet
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Em3 is free unless you're on melee

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Then it can suck hard

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Asterius spin is actually stupid

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Yeah but melee only

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Rama is in melee range most of the time but it still has range

shadow pivot
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I do amazing with fists and then em3 minotaur perseus fight destroys me X_X

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Zag fists + hermes keepsake is super fun
Can get 50%+ dodge between hermes keepsake and hermes boon

swift inlet
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Yeah what are you talking about

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Rama always wants twin shot but a max charge twin shot still has range

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?

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Sad

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Play modded

reef glen
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With point blank it ain't

swift inlet
reef glen
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Oh. Yeah
I don't get sarcasm

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Part of the autism

swift inlet
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It's only obvious to me bc they play the game and have been in this server

reef glen
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Yes I get that

swift inlet
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If some new player said that I wouldn't know for sure

reef glen
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But I didn't know it was a really stupid take

swift inlet
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Oh it is

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Twin shot goes hard

latent moon
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twin shot cringe, explosive shot gaming

swift inlet
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Since it's one of the few multiplicative damage boosts

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Most of the damage boosts in this game are additive, so while 100% bonus damage is great, it's not as great as it could be

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If you get a couple chaos buffs that buff your cast by 180%, then get epic hyper delivery for a 100% boost, you don't get 360%

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You get 280%

twilit lodge
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Literally unplayable

swift inlet
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Twin shot is nice because any boosts you get to the attack/dash strike gets doubled

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Plus the fact that you're doing a second strike for free is already doubling your damage

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This is part of why clockets is insane

latent moon
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also considering that rocket bomb doesn't get the 30% damage nerf from cluster lol

swift inlet
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Cluster + rocket bomb is bugged to do full damage instead of 70%, but even if it wasn't bugged it would be insane

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Because you're still firing 5 bombs

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So you're doing 350% damage anyway lmao

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Add chaos boons, crit chances, other % multipliers, and you get insane stuff

latent moon
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rd gaming

grim arrow
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How do I use gun

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can someone give me a brief walkthrough

swift inlet
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Are you on kbm?

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If you are, turn off aim at cursor

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Auto aim rail is actually nuts

grim arrow
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OH WOW that does improve it a lot

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Which aspect should I be using

latent moon
# grim arrow How do I use gun

zeus atk, aphro/arty special, find jolted
ideal hammers are delta chamber, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, targeting system, some others i can't remember the name of

latent moon
grim arrow
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eris then

latent moon
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also zeus atk doesn't apply to hestia lol

latent moon
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if not, delta is still good

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targetting system too

grim arrow
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alright awesome

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thanks

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same with shield, actually

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hear it's really good but don't know how to use it

latent moon
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it's a bit lackluster without charged shot

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but once you get it it's really easy

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spam cshots and you win

grim arrow
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what's cshot

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bull charge?

latent moon
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charged shot

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charged shot is a hammer upgrade

grim arrow
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oh

latent moon
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bull rush is the default, which isn't bad but the damage varies based on how long you charge it for

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with cshot, it's a guaranteed 80 damage no matter the charge

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actually bull rush on beo is more safe

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because iframes and whatnot

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it's just less damage

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you have iframes during bull rush yeah

swift inlet
latent moon
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without cshot it's less damage and a lot slower

swift inlet
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See

latent moon
swift inlet
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Cshot is also weird w beo

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Sometimes you get dragon rush without even having a cast in

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So it's just a free massive cshot

latent moon
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that's what happens when you load a cast during the rush

latent moon
swift inlet
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Yeah but it being massive = more dead numbskulls

latent moon
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tbh idk if it actually gives you the full width of dragon rush

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it might be a visual thing

swift inlet
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Wild

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Either way beo is just broken

latent moon
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true

swift inlet
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In both senses of the word

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With one literally causing the other

shadow pivot
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For gun I really like dio attack too
Imo one of the most fun builds for rail, just bounce around applying hangover

swift inlet
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Zeus is better for killing things fast, especially with support boons

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But dio attack is nice yeah

latent moon
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dio atk on rail is generally for high heat but still obv works wherever

swift inlet
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Yeah

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High heat obviously plays more defensive though so it kind of plays into hangover

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Besides ap2

shadow pivot
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If you go above your current heat level, like say you are at 0 heat and you do 10 heat
And you clear it
Can you claim bounties for heats 1 2 3 etc? Or youre just now "at" that heat?

latent moon
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if you clear 10 heat and you still have bounties for 1 heat, it'll claim the 1 heat bounty
your next bounty will be at 2

shadow pivot
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Oh. Interesting. So you can only go up 1 heat at a time

latent moon
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0 heat bounties work a bit differently than heat bounties, they're like their own thing

latent moon
old belfry
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you can go as high as you want and still just get 1 run worth

latent moon
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you can still jump heat tho, you just won't get the reward for that heat level

shadow pivot
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Ok thx

lean timber
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i hate beowulf why did i dream about it last night

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the god-king is calling to me...

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i will not listen...

snow skiff
latent moon
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true

old belfry
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spreadfire got me like zagluv

latent moon
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easy sub7 next run

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trust

snow skiff
latent moon
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dio atk

snow skiff
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oooh

lean timber
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a sign that i'm being corrupted by all you losers

snow skiff
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Takes 1 to know 1

lean timber
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true...

twilit lodge
swift inlet
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It's simple

twilit lodge
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If youā€™ve never cleared a wep with heat and then you do 3 runs with FO1

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You will get heat1 bounty

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Then heat 2 bounty

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Then heat3 bounty

swift inlet
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No

twilit lodge
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Yes

swift inlet
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Wait

twilit lodge
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Because Iā€™ve just been doing that

swift inlet
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Is fo1 really 3

twilit lodge
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Yes

swift inlet
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Oh it is

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em2 is 3 and each fo is 3

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weird

twilit lodge
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Iā€™ve been doing every wep with FO1 and I didnā€™t skip any bounties

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The clear screen will show the weapon has been cleared at 3 heat but you still only have to go to the next heat you donā€™t have bounty from

lean timber
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i thought fo1 was 2 and fo2 was 3 = 2 + 3 = 5

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or am i stupid again

twilit lodge
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2+2 = 5

lean timber
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confirmed true

latent moon
# twilit lodge Wat

if you jump to 20 heat from 3 heat you wont get the reward for 20 heat you'll get it for 3 heat

twilit lodge
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Well yeah of course

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Sorry weā€™re not supposed to say ā€œof courseā€ anymore

latent moon
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hence, you wont get the heat rewards for that heat level you jumped to, which is what i had said earlier

twilit lodge
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Icicicic

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I read it as you were saying you wouldnā€™t get the bounties for the heat you jumped past

lean timber
latent moon
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of course

twilit lodge
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Cuz this

lean timber
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kek

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be nice still lol

random pilot
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demeter fists?

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i cant imagine

stark rover
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Is there any simple way to have a no-boon run? I've been trying for a few days and I keep expending all of my rerolls before I get through tartarus

latent moon
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turn off dark foresight, use fated authority

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you can also always sell boons before entering the next biome

twilit lodge
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I almost have hunting blades

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ā€¦ on Chiron

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But I figured epic support fire was more important to take

latent moon
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cringe

twilit lodge
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Than HB for the funny

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Relentless piercing Chiron leggo

rustic vale
twilit lodge
rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Damn

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Dad really just called the bow a weapon for cowards

rustic vale
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I got that dialogue yesterday when I was speedrunning discount zag bow

twilit lodge
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TFW I didnā€™t take egg into Styx because I thought I might lose if I didnā€™t take acorn

rustic vale
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huge W

signal aspen
rustic vale
twilit lodge
rustic vale
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And reduces your igt by a full 3 minutes

signal aspen
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Only 5 now

rustic vale
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smh how could they do that to egg

short glen
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It also gives you the secret chaos call

signal aspen
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Yeah

rustic vale
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It also gives you every hammer ever

signal aspen
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Kills the strongest enemy in the room

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Including bosses

short glen
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How'd you guys forget about that one?

rustic vale
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I didnā€™t

signal aspen
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I forgor ā˜ ļø

rustic vale
rustic vale
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šŸ˜³

signal aspen
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I don't play Hades šŸ˜”

stark rover
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after trying for 4 god damn days trying to make the surface with no boons, I've reached hades only having to purge one in tartarus

rustic vale
rustic vale
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I should go for boonless

safe tinsel
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Shackle would be op in boonless

twilit lodge
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Nah itā€™s mid

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Plume so you have 100% dodge by the time you reach dad

old belfry
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arthur shackle boonless is kinda ez no šŸ§¢

twilit lodge
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šŸ§  šŸ“ˆ

latent moon
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hesty shackle easiest

old belfry
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or that

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yea

latent moon
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beo shackle mega easy tho

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just ignore my 40 heat attempts

rustic vale
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Shackle makes everything ez

rustic vale
stark rover
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phase 2, last chance. I wish I kept shackle into elysium

old belfry
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does beo rely on mirage shot

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or just nice to get

rustic vale
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I mean

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Itā€™s straight up double damage on your cast

latent moon
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for trippy and passion, not necessary

old belfry
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ok

latent moon
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actually for all the other ones i guess it does need mirage otherwise it's pretty bad

rustic vale
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On passion flare or trippy itā€™s going out of your way to pick it up

latent moon
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^

rustic vale
latent moon
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that's necessary

lean timber
stark rover
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and dead, halfway through phase 2

rustic vale
latent moon
stark rover
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Zagreus Stygius

rustic vale
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Zag sword

latent moon
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try hestia, rama, arthur, or zag shield for boonless

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those are gonna be easier

lean timber
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boonless hera:

latent moon
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true

stark rover
rustic vale
latent moon
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oh yeah zag bow too

rustic vale
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nemesisā€¦ maybe?

latent moon
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yeah i was just thinking about that

lean timber
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boonless nem feels like

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idk actually i shouldn't say anything

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i've never ran nem

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just feels like it wouldn't be very good at all

latent moon
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100% bonus on the atk for crits doesn't sound terrible but also like

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it's sword lol

lean timber
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yeah

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just feels underwhelming

latent moon
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second best sword for shackle tho i guess

lean timber
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wtf is first

latent moon
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arthur

lean timber
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oh

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duh

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forgot about arthur

latent moon
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i guess arthur is better for shackle until like higher heats but whatever

lean timber
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probably

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arthur up to 40 then nem afterwards

latent moon
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yeah

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i still want to complete beo 40 heat residentzag

twilit lodge
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For talos

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Do I still want flat damage atk

rustic vale
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Unless you find heavy knuckle

twilit lodge
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Do I just play it like zag fist except I cancel specials sometimes

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I was cancelling my special on nem accidentally SO MUCH

latent moon
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yeah

twilit lodge
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Was infuriating

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But good practice for talos tech

rustic vale
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My current pb for fists is talos with no hammers and arte attack which is very much the meta

latent moon
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true

rustic vale
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Only clear

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Smh man get more clears

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Lies

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Clearly you havenā€™t used sh*eld

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chaos shield only good shield aspect

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absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that.

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Literally wouldnā€™t play shield if chaos didnā€™t exist

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Itā€™s the only aspect

old belfry
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braid of atlas

lean timber
latent moon
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with shackle

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i've done 40 beo multiple times, first time with tart mirage second and third with trippy lol

lean timber
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oh

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lol

twilit lodge
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Is talos cast a thing?

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Epic electric shot c1 but no attack offered yet

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Oh wow talos got the range

hard viper
rustic vale
rustic vale
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Instead of +2

old belfry
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lv 12 flood flare go brrrr

hard viper
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bruh I found a secret charon bossfight

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I died even tho I had 3 death defiances

rustic vale
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It ainā€™t secret

rustic vale
vital tapir
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o think iā€™m still missing like 4 legendaries for the prophecy

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with like 90-100 runs

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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wait ayo tart legendary tho

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tart legendary actually gaming

rustic vale
latent moon
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if only splitting bolt on rail/fists tho

old belfry
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hermes legendaries took me forever to get to finish the proph

rustic vale
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I got second wave in tart on my super soaker pos attack zag bow run

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Bad news trippy flare beo

latent moon
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i think hermes legendaries have lower rates than normal ones

rustic vale
old belfry
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theyre so good, makes sense

rustic vale
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All the rng is lower with hermes

latent moon
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not bad but not something to shoot for ever

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unless you dont have anything better to do in asphodel

old belfry
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greater recall early on made me realize the power of cast build

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i slept on casts far too long

rustic vale
latent moon
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true

latent moon
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hera, beo, and achilles would rather get hyper delivery

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poseidon is probably the only exception tbh

old belfry
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i mean, im aware now. Im merely saying that getting that boon made me actually start using casts

latent moon
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that's fair

old belfry
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i was originally even too lazy to tag for the bonus dmg

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it was the dark times

latent moon
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lmao

twilit lodge
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Wow I hate talis

rustic vale
old belfry
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talos bussin tho?

twilit lodge
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Game refused to give me a call

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And just cursed rng oferall

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Overall

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Started with Zeus and he wouldnā€™t give attack

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And never showed up again

signal aspen
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First mistake: you played talos

twilit lodge
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Iā€™m in agreement

hard viper
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25 hours in and only found 2 ever

rustic vale
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Ah

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I accidentally picked up zeus strike

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Nooooo

raw herald
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Op on zag bow

rustic vale
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5:09 asphodel leave might be a record for me

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and itā€™s shackle zag fists lmfao

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well

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Shackle zag fists without the shackle

raw herald
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bruh

rustic vale
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4 minute ely due to no attack/special core zag fist being baaad

barren nymph
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What are some of the first things you should get done in hades I got all the olympian and eurydice keepsakes and weapons now what?

twilit lodge
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Now kill your dad

barren nymph
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I got 100 base health

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I got some aspects

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Ohhh

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If I were to max out my weapons wouldnā€™t that just be bounties for titans blood

rustic vale
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Took 4 minutes I mean

twilit lodge
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Only leaving ely at 4mins smh you suck

barren nymph
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With titans blood?

rustic vale
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Yes

barren nymph
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Isnā€™t that bounties

twilit lodge
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Kill your dad

barren nymph
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Atm im trying to max olympian keepsakes

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So the do I trade

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Better builds

twilit lodge
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Best piece of advice is to block @brisk trail

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And then kill your dad

barren nymph
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What about duoā€™s

twilit lodge
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Vrej

barren nymph
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Lemme get lucky tooth rq

rustic vale
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Yes shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief

twilit lodge
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You donā€™t really need to work on maxing the useful keepsakes tho

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Bc youā€™ll equip them enough that theyā€™ll just get maxed

rustic vale
barren nymph
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Here my weapon aspects
Hades spear
Hera Bow
Talos Fist
Eris Gun

twilit lodge
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That chironic

barren nymph
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Shield and sword waiting for the 4th aspect option

rustic vale
rustic vale
barren nymph
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Ahh invest blood in what

rustic vale
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You need guan-yu girst

barren nymph
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It wasnā€™t a very obvious option

rustic vale
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Then 5 titan blood in said weapon

barren nymph
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How to you invest in zag

rustic vale
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Then rng into dialogue

rustic vale
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To level it

barren nymph
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Ahh alr

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And I get blood from trades?

rustic vale
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Thatā€™s for guan-yu you need 5 non-zag aspects unlocked

rustic vale
rustic vale
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And fishing

twilit lodge
rustic vale
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if fishing in overworld

barren nymph
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So if I want Arthur aspect on sword U have to invest into a different aspect?

twilit lodge
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Sturgeon gives blood

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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Input lag havers in shambles

barren nymph
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Same if I want the 4th option for aegis

rustic vale
rustic vale
barren nymph
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Alr

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Last question whos guan yu

rustic vale
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Some dude from chinese?(I think I may remember wrong) mythos

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Not mythos

barren nymph
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So i have to unlock him through story dialogue

twilit lodge
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Spear user from three kingdoms (Chinese mythology/history)

rustic vale
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Real history

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

I still donā€™t have gy unlocked

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Because I donā€™t wanna unlock aspects until I can max them

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I got to kill Skelly finally tho

rustic vale
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You need to have 5 aspects unlocked, fight hades, then eventually rng into the right achilles dialogue

barren nymph
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Alright

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Thanks šŸ™

rustic vale
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Just need to clairify

barren nymph
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So just invest in some random sword aspect thats not zag for arthur aspect

rustic vale
barren nymph
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Alr what about for aegis

twilit lodge
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Zag or Zeus

barren nymph
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Zeus cus I want beuwolf

rustic vale
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Aegis you need guan-yu, 5 blood in it, and to talk to chaos I think

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zeus and zag are based

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Chaos is :copypasta:

barren nymph
#

Alr thanks again nectar

rustic vale
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What is your pact?

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Matty jumped straight from 8 heat to 32 heat in 2 days you can do it too

snow skiff
#

bruh LC4 SD non user moment

rustic vale
snow skiff
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JS3 šŸ’€

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how are you this bad

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/joke

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LC4 SD !!!!

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AP1

signal aspen
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Ri4

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Don't die

rustic vale
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Cp2 free heat

snow skiff
#

...

raw herald
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Donā€™t do that then šŸ‘

rustic vale
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Use heroic ddash then

raw herald
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True (helped me beat 50 heat)

rustic vale
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Thatā€™s the problem

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it wasnā€™t heroic

signal aspen
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I used common Mistral dash for 50 heat

rustic vale
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I used dash for 32 heat

raw herald
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I didnā€™t

signal aspen
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Issue skill

rustic vale
raw herald
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Ok

rustic vale
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Standing striking everything

snow skiff
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i used hunter dash on hestia 56 heat with lightning strike

rustic vale
raw herald
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Iā€™ve not actually

latent moon
rustic vale
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Increasing hestia dps via clockets šŸ§ 

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Increasing hestia dps via exposed šŸ§ 

raw herald
#

Increasing hestia DPS by pressing buttons faster šŸ§ 

rustic vale
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Increasing hestia dps by using shackle

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šŸ’Ŗ

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Increase hestia dps by taking spreadfire

twilit lodge
#

Increasing SGG stock price by buying the highly acclaimed video game Hades, available for multiple platforms

rustic vale
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Increasing dps on hestia by switching your ammo out for .30-06 caliber

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You truly

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Have a braincell

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Braincell(singular)

swift inlet
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Build going hard but the rooms have been ass

swift inlet
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Beo bussin

twilit lodge
#

Lv1 GY seems rather unusable lmao

rustic vale
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Just requires not having a skissue

twilit lodge
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-70% max Hp is not based

terse geyser
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L + no mouse

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common issue, I fear

swift inlet
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That's not uncommon for a speedrun, what

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Also I got the rng

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Chaos gate skipping last combat room

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the room it was in had louts so it was fast

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and the 2 rooms before that were miniboss+midshop

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Ez skips

rustic vale
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I got one earlier today šŸ“ˆ

twilit lodge
#

Can chain lightning from Zeus strike bounce back to the first target?

snow skiff
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lvl1 gy is still pretty good with cskewer

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kill them b4 they kill u type beat

rustic vale
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lvl1 gy is as good as lvl5 gy because leveling guan-yu doesn't change your dps

twilit lodge
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@rustic vale what are you talking about?

rustic vale
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do you know what /j means

old belfry
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dont get hit

reef glen
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So is there anything to benefit from giving nectar to bouldy? I can't see him in my codex to see any sort of reputation with him

rustic vale
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check your boon list after gifting nectar to him

reef glen
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Oh wow 1%

twilit lodge
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5% if you believe

rustic vale
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I mean you can get up to +10% movespeed which is the best outcome

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is worth it what else are you spending your nectar on

lean timber
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slash jay

latent moon
snow skiff
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+10% movespeed is the best outcome

*(If you get hs rd)

latent moon
#

Cast damage is the best outcome if you're playing chiron

rustic vale
latent moon
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You actually use that tho

rustic vale
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Well no crap

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Chiron is just discount zag bow

latent moon
#

That's why cast damage is better on Chiron

rustic vale
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Nah ambiguity

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itā€™s overpowered on chiron

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Imagine if bouldy gave +100% ambiguity

lean timber
#

gamebreaking

twilit lodge
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try to play zag shield by actually using cshot instead of just dash strike spamming

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get clapped

twilit lodge
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@latent moon should I be dashstriking into cshot, then dashing away and repeating?

latent moon
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Or dash into but something like that yeah

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Don't be afraid to hold it longer tho and wait for them to hit the block first and then smack tbem

twilit lodge
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Thereā€™s just an unwieldy recovery after the shot and itā€™s when I was getting hit a lot

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Especially vs multiples

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Ely witches were a pain because theyā€™d be on all sides of me

latent moon
#

Play it kinda like bow lol

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Bow with a block

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You don't want to be in the middle of everything so give yourself some space or make space with an atk or dash atk

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The shield has a natural knockback too

rustic vale
latent moon
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Against dad you can actually stand still and just cshot away, just be mindful and dash when necessary

rustic vale
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Cshot also has knockback iirc

latent moon
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Yeah lol

rustic vale
#

pos attack shield is based

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Gives you mirage shot for hunter flare on beo

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Hunter flare beo lmfao

latent moon
#

I did that

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It was funny because I got both mirage and heart rend

rustic vale
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I think

twilit lodge
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Cshot moves you tho

rustic vale
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Deadly reversal > heart remd

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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It moves you forward when you release

rustic vale
#

You donā€™t

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Fly across the room

twilit lodge
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No but you move enough to now be on the other side of say dad

latent moon
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It's so cursed

twilit lodge
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Who will then hit you in the back

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If you donā€™t spin around immediately

rustic vale
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And ME

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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Didn't want unshakeable mettle tho

twilit lodge
#

Wdym

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Thatā€™s a great duo

rustic vale
twilit lodge
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For all those stuns in the game

latent moon
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Wait I had Rd ichor and bouldy bonus bruh lmfao this is so sad

rustic vale
#

charon

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Dad

latent moon
#

Tis

latent moon
twilit lodge
# latent moon Tis

If you have unshakeable mettle for tis then you have the worst good luck ever

latent moon
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Having pos and Athena for cores is just sad lol

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Ddash isn't a prerequisite either

twilit lodge
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Imagine starting splash dash, getting forced into Athena

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And having unshakeable mettle before furies

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Big mood

latent moon
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start tdash and take a good % atk

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luckily i gave up on it

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aotw is zag rail tho and i suck with that so i'm not participating in that either

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i need to learn how to speedrun other aspects lmao

twilit lodge
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Aspect of the week?

latent moon
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yeah

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for speedcord

twilit lodge
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Icicic

latent moon
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the only one i did was beo where i got a sub7 and then i forgot about aotw and then now i want to participate in it again

twilit lodge
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I actually donā€™t hate zag tail

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And I donā€™t even have bloods on it

latent moon
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it's not bad

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it's pretty good because of spread fire

twilit lodge
#

D strike with rail just feels so smooth

latent moon
#

you could also build it as budget eris and it'll still be good

twilit lodge
#

Budget eris

latent moon
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no 75% global boost but hey lightning strike and clockets is always good still

twilit lodge
#

How does Clockets even work on eris?

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Do you just have to shoot things pb

latent moon
#

yeah

twilit lodge
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To count as absorbing

latent moon
#

yeah

twilit lodge
#

Ngl that sounds better than what Iā€™ve been doing

latent moon
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idk how the absorb works at that point, if you absorb 1 and the other 4 does boosted damage or whatever

twilit lodge
#

Pressing special and dashing over to it

latent moon
twilit lodge
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Iā€™ve done cluster normal special and you can just go into any of the 5

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They launch staggered so

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I imagine the rockets do too

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But if youā€™re pb with Clockets Iā€™m gonna guess youā€™ll be getting hit by the first one no matter what

latent moon
#

yeah

twilit lodge
#

So the rest would all get boosted

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Would be interesting actually using the special for dmg on eris

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Lmao

latent moon
twilit lodge
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Peasant who has never gotten even normal rocket on eris

latent moon
#

it's base 400 on clockets

twilit lodge
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Itā€™s not very easy to do that without rockets tho

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The delay is šŸ“‰

latent moon
#

i mean you can still absorb it

twilit lodge
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Cluster just makes it easier to absorb

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Because thereā€™s more area getting bombed

latent moon
#

yeah but also you know where your bomb is gonna go anyways

twilit lodge
#

Well

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Unless it decides to bounce off something

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uwu

latent moon
#

yeah but that's a different issue lmao

twilit lodge
#

@dusky cypress itā€™s not terrible since it boosts chaos boon rarity chances but itā€™s hit or miss since chaos gates arenā€™t guaranteed

dusky cypress
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yeah its made me sad

twilit lodge
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And the Hp cost of entering them is hardly a big deal

dusky cypress
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also I'm starting to feel like I'm really lucky even getting one let alone two (or one + the well of charon item)

twilit lodge
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If it made the curses last fewer encounters that would be based

dusky cypress
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idk 20-25 health is still 20-25 health (I also say this as someone who decided to do his first completed run w/o using the mirror at all because he's a moron)

twilit lodge
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Suffering

dusky cypress
#

I mean I knew it was there, I just... idk

latent moon
twilit lodge
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You ever

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Buy the ixion item from a well and then not have enough Hp to enter it

lean timber
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no i cannot say this has occured before...

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an issue in skill...

dusky cypress
#

also, yeah realizing I'm gonna "triple" my hp after next encounter (-45>+50, +71) which I think is kind of funny (is 240 hp a lot for just after asphodel? Yes I know having HP is no replacement for... actually having DPS)

latent moon
#

yeah 240 is a lot leaving aspho lmao

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i think if im not speedrunning that's how much i want entering ely champs lol

feral belfry
#

What's a standard guan yu build ?

dusky cypress
#

?

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yeah like 180-220 is usually what I have entering third bossfight lol

latent moon
# feral belfry What's a standard guan yu build ?

charged skewer hammer with aphrodite special, and just spam the special
if you want to actually use the main atk spin gimmick, better hope for quick spin because without it it takes forever to charge and actually use well

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and probably do like idk arty atk?

latent moon
#

legit in my last run i did, i left asphodel with 60 max hp

dusky cypress
#

sword-vampirism, or...

latent moon
#

i left ely with 90 max lmao

latent moon
dusky cypress
#

that one felt really stupid altho I also had that + 120 health by the time I got to hades because of +health from chaos xd

latent moon
#

and i have the contractor upgrade where every time i pick up darkness, i get +5 max hp

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so entering ely champs i had 2 centaur hearts and 2 darkness picked up lmao

dusky cypress
#

that's an upgrade? whacc

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haven't seen that lol

latent moon
#

it's kinda late game

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because at some point, the meta game rewards are gonna be useless to pick up

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and these upgrades make them useful

feral belfry
lean timber
#

you die in real life

latent moon
latent moon
#

it's still good damage

dusky cypress
#

well yeah because maxing weapons takes... idk how many hours/runs

feral belfry
#

Ty

dusky cypress
#

from here it feels seems like a lot :p

latent moon
#

you dont need keys to max weapons, you only need keys to just unlock them

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the mirror takes a while

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but after that keys are useless other than trades

dusky cypress
#

mb read keys and thought titan blood lol

latent moon
#

lmao fair

dusky cypress
#

I was like "no that has to be like 60 hours minimum for all weapons"

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ok now I feel like I'm selling speedrunners short but... that's still like minimum I think 40 runs?

twilit lodge
#

Okay I started talos with Poseidon special this time (and only FO1) and I kinda donā€™t hate it now

latent moon
#

if you just dont care about maxing bonds or contractor upgrades, it won't take too long to max all aspects

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(5+15+16+15)*6 = 306 titan blood needed

dusky cypress
#

wait is that what ambrosia does/why I've been saving it? (just had a feeling even though something here is probably already useless)

latent moon
#

102 runs without trading diamonds, idk how to do the math with using diamonds lol

dusky cypress
#

(as opposed to yes I know nectar is different)

twilit lodge
latent moon
#

oh bruh lmao i'm smart

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87.4 runs so 88

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14.6 bounties per weapon

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not too bad tbh

#

not counting fated list either

acoustic bolt
#

god the frequency in which i lose unloseable hades fights has just skyrocketed since heat 34

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i am truly garbage at this game

#

i just lost with lightning rod, double strike, and merciful end. not ever finding divine dash ruined me.

high island
#

Perhaps you were just overconfident.

acoustic bolt
#

i definitely play too sloppy

high island
#

Try to just focus on a clean fight first and foremost.

lean timber
#

or just get a broken build and you don't have to learn it at all

high island
#

Why do you keep quoting that?

lean timber
#

because it's true

twilit lodge
#

Nyaanyaa I saw you get a shoutout in a build guide catheadpat

high island
twilit lodge
#

Yes

high island
twilit lodge
#

Really wish it didnā€™t feel like the tart keepsake god shows up less than the natural tart gods

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C1 hammer c3 keepsake Zeus, then 3 potential dems and 2 Athena

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@brisk trail the security logs count keepsake use if it was equipped ever during a run

brisk trail
#

cool

twilit lodge
#

@dusky cypress you have to give the nectar before you talk to the boon/god but yes, those are the Olympian keepsakes

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They let you control your build more

dusky cypress
#

I mean I have them but it just doesn't seem that good idk

#

yeah

brisk trail
#

my most used is probably rose

dusky cypress
#

I could imagine hermes/athena tho

twilit lodge
#

Mine is acorn by a long shot then battie companion

dusky cypress
#

also toasty toasty reflect + riposte damage

twilit lodge
#

Hermes doesnā€™t work like the others

dusky cypress
#

ngl I have it and looked at it but forgot that it was different lol

marble sky
#

does lightning storm synergize with splitting bolt?

dusky cypress
#

wondering what "quickly" means, but that and the broken butterfly both seem sort of useless (well, maybe just the butterfly) because of how common damage buffs are

twilit lodge
#

They are global damage buffs which makes them slightly better than youā€™re thinking

dusky cypress
#

and its not like, the hardest thing to not get hit ever, but 1% per encounter which only ends up being like +%23 by the end? bruh

twilit lodge
#

But theyā€™re still not very good

raw herald
marble sky
#

yes

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my bad

dusky cypress
#

kind of odd... idk what my gun run was about but my spear run I ended up having a really strong recall/throw (I kind of forgot that you can recall the spear and it'll still do the same damage) and my shield run was just getting minotaur rush and abusing that lol

raw herald
#

If so then not really, storm lightning doesnā€™t do much except unlock the legendary

twilit lodge
#

Most people seem to like using two different Olympian keepsakes for the first two regions, then something utility like the coin purse or the hourglass for region 3, and then the acorn for region 4

raw herald
#

Chain lightning already bounces enough times

twilit lodge
#

Or just acorn for 3 and 4

marble sky
#

so it doesnt trigger splitting bolt then?

dusky cypress
#

also took me until a couple hours ago to realize you select different aspects (idk why but I thought the titan blood was cumulative? lol)

raw herald
#

Storm lightning doesnā€™t trigger anything

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Your normal lightning effects will still trigger splitting

high island
# twilit lodge Really wish it didnā€™t feel like the tart keepsake god shows up less than the nat...

It doesn't just feel like it. Until you have boons from at least 4 gods, any boon you see will be randomly from one of the 8 gods. Having that 1 boon from the keepsake god doesn't make it appear more often.

If there's only 1 boon exit, it's a 87.5% chance it's not the keepsake god. If there are 2 boon exits, it's a 75% chance it's not the keepsake god. If there are 3 boon exits (when in Tartarus, only from Chaos Gates), it's a 62.5% chance it's not the keepsake god.

If you pick up a second god asap, the low chance throughout Tartarus is offset a little bit because Trials of the God can only have 2 gods that are already in your pool.

twilit lodge
#

Storm lightning kinda silly since you hardly ever even have that many available chain lightning targets

raw herald
#

All storm lightning does is make your existing chain lightning bounce more

twilit lodge
#

And it Poms up like nuts

marble sky
#

oh my god im an idiot

#

i meant sea storm

raw herald
#

Oh lol

#

Then yes it does

twilit lodge
marble sky
#

yeah idk what i was thinking when i said that

#

let me try that again. does sea storm trigger splitting bolt

raw herald
#

Yes

marble sky
#

nice

#

i'm meming with supersoaker and wanted to check

raw herald
#

Double strike is also key in a sea storm build

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If you get that then youā€™re gonna do a lot of damage

marble sky
#

yup way ahead of you lol

high island
# twilit lodge This makes me sadge

Just something you gotta accept and adjust expectations accordingly when making decisions. If you need the first god to reappear asap, get a second boon asap to open up the chance for a Trial of the Gods, and generally expect low chance for them to show up until you have a 4 god pool.

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Or if you want to high-roll, you do what speedrunners do and reset until you get what you want.

twilit lodge
#

Cheers

#

@dusky cypress you can post pics here by posting links to them, since #h1-victory-boasting is for clears

dusky cypress
#

o rite

twilit lodge
#

You should try to remember to use your casts though because the boiling blood debuff is strong

#

Dyno moment

dusky cypress
#

is ffs also

#

nope ffs is fine

#

that ones surprising tbh

#

yes boiling blood is p darn good

twilit lodge
#

Yay I got Clockets on eris now

dusky cypress
#

like during hades beam attack

twilit lodge
#

Fortunately there are plenty of seconds available in the game

dusky cypress
#

which is a solid five seconds of doing.... not exactly much

#

yes like when I'm preoccupied with stabbing anything that moves, great moment to actually remember what my stuff does :^)

#

that level of frantic-ness doesn't really bode well for "oh yeah this gives me extra damage but only if I remember to do so"

#

maybe once I've done say 20+ completed escapes and everythings just muscle memory by that point, but if it is I haven't gotten there yet

twilit lodge
#

If you learn the attack patterns of things more, youā€™ll give yourself more time to think

#

I think

#

It all comes with practice

dusky cypress
#

I already know attack patterns (kind of have to unless I beat something I.E. minotaur-rush everything)

#

would've been my first clear but I decided it felt too much like cheese (and still kind of does ngl)

#

nourished soul any good if you're not already critically wounded?

twilit lodge
#

Could be if youā€™re worried about the upcoming areas

#

Since it makes future healing stronger

#

Epic greater haste and epic hyper sprint is some serious zooms

#

Shame RD didnā€™t show up instead

high island
dusky cypress
#

that's really cool to know (and I probably should've figured that out already) but I'm also gonna ignore it until I'm either doing absurd heat runs or I'm just annoyed w/ how long the runs taking or w/e

high island
#

Don't know why you're going out of your way to avoid effective tactics, but you do you, I guess.

dusky cypress
#

if you reflect an enemies attack too soon does it just not hit them?

#

same reason my first win wasn't w/ the shield + minotaur rush šŸ¤· felt it'd be too easy

twilit lodge
#

C31 chaos gate, never seen one so late

#

Poetry

dusky cypress
#

Huh

#

idk if it was for having a good set-up or what but I feel kind of proud fighting the armored miniboss/butterfly ball and only having needed to deal with two fighters afterwards (its 3 because I took this pic, but still)

twilit lodge
#

Like beef

#

Butterfly ball miniboss can be a pain

lean timber
#

butterfly ball is so

#

yeah

rocky socket
#

Is it just me or Hades feels significantly easier after beating him a couple of times?

twilit lodge
#

It should be yeah

sweet patrol
#

everything becomes easier

twilit lodge
#

You learn what works, and leveling up the mirror

frank summit
#

anyone know how can i unlock the aspect of beowulf

#

i got aspec of chaos at max and the other ones in level 1

twilit lodge
#

Do you have Guan Yu unlocked?

frank summit
#

yes

#

wait no

#

do i need to unlock it first

#

like to spend 3 titan blood to be able to use it

twilit lodge
#

Nah just revealed

frank summit
#

i do

twilit lodge
#

Have you talked to Chaos on a shield run?

frank summit
#

yes

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multiple tries

twilit lodge
#

Since you spent the blood

#

Hmm

frank summit
#

do i need to gift him more nectar?

twilit lodge
#

Might be rng then

#

I donā€™t think so

#

Has chaos talked to you about the shield when you talked? Or just other stuff

frank summit
#

no

twilit lodge
#

There should be a conversation about the shield, and then after youā€™ve had that youā€™ll get a conversation where they tell you the phrase to unlock like Achilles did for the spear

#

Just keep trying then I think

frank summit
#

do i need to escape on the run when i get the dialogue about the shield

high island
#

Nope.

frank summit
#

or once i get it i can just off myself and it should be revealed

high island
#

Just need to finish the run either by winning or dying. If you "Give Up", it resets to your save from before you did the run.

frank summit
#

didnt get it again

#

also charon beat my ass

twilit lodge
#

He does that

high island
#

Charon being Charon.

frank summit
#

again

#

now he just talking about persephone

#

where my shield at

#

ok now he talked about some serpent flame

twilit lodge
#

Smh

#

I needed Athena

#

Went to midshop

#

Athena boon for sale

#

Stick drifts up and I buy Hermes instead with all of my gold

#

Does giving up reset your streak?

twilit lodge
high island
#

Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them by the way.

frank summit
#

ok i just got it

#

lezz goo

#

well thanks for the help

dusky cypress
terse geyser
high island
#

It's they/them, not all of them. In-game text uses they/them.

twilit lodge
acoustic bolt
#

Welp lost another 35 on fists

#

ME never finds ME despite 6 separate chances plus rerolls

latent moon
#

It do be like that

#

That's pretty much why I use legacy for ME and reset for rare/epic doom at the start

acoustic bolt
#

i thought legacy was a scam

latent moon
#

It is but so is pride tbh

brisk trail
#

pride all the way

latent moon
#

I mean since the build needs ME to be good I'd say running legacy for this is worth it

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Same situation with beo tbh, the duo increases your damage by so much that it's worth taking over pride because you want it as soon as possible

mint coral
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ME uses pride cuz epic doom/good hermes too good scaling for it

misty jungle
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is hades finished or will there still be content updates?

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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there's no indication that there will be updates

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but the mod community is adding more

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they've already made a mod to add Apollo and Hestia is in the works

misty jungle
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cool

brisk trail
latent moon
mint coral
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Yeah but mirage doubles your dmg

latent moon
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Could make it more lol

raw herald
latent moon
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oh that's true

warm nimbus
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yeah ME doesnt need to save rolls for wells so it can roll more for hermes/ME

grim arrow
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just found out about the meg + thanatos scene.............

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is that ACTUALLY REAL or did someone edit the wiki

safe tinsel
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Uh I'm pretty sure that is real

mint coral
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Real

grim arrow
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šŸ˜³

twilit lodge
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Workplace romance

latent moon
alpine crescent
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im having the most cracked run ever right now but its 4 heat :(

swift inlet
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Basically any boost is really good when multiplicative stuff gets involved

acoustic bolt
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Wow ok now I'm getting really frustrated losing 35 fists