h1-discussion

[rotund galleon]

merciful end eh

thanks

I had lost that link

[high island]

Bookmark it.

[rotund galleon]

done already

ah heck it, Ares attack start it is

I'll do Athena special

[rocky socket]

Ok wow
https://youtu.be/1pkCSaIeD5Y

[rotund galleon]

Double killing Theseus and Asterius feels so good

damn I got my ass whooped at 3rd phase

[high island]

lol yeah EM4 is a very difficult fight.

[lean timber]

not if you just get a broken build. if you do that you don't even have to learn the fight

[rotund galleon]

alright 22k darkness

[rustic vale]

Now get 15 times that

[rotund galleon]

I don't need that

[rustic vale]

yeah you do 👍 for the resource director 👍

[rotund galleon]

no I don't

it does nothing

[rustic vale]

Moral support 📈

And it’s a victory screen flex

less noticable than the themes but still there

[snow skiff]

No don't use it

(it works but It sucks)

[lean timber]

yeah. each mini chamber counts as one encounter so levels come pretty fast. but there's usually better things to take than blossom

[brisk trail]

Is quitting after you die from a boss counted as a glitch?

[snow skiff]

Yeah

[high island]

Indeed.

[swift inlet]

Em4 phase 1 is genuinely an ass pain with rama if you don't have insane damage

Phase 2 and 3 are so much better

[devout terrace]

em4

[signal aspen]

em4 is very fun and perfectly balanced at all heats

[strong ridge]

fo2 dobl spin : )

[brisk trail]

Hi guys. It's possible to unlock hidden aspects of weapons without unlock the spear's hidden aspect first?

[rotund galleon]

no

Guan Yu first

[swift inlet]

Gy stands for gated you (from the other hidden aspects)

Aspect of gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[rotund galleon]

don't diss Guan Yu

[strong ridge]

more like guano

[high island]

You can find requirements for the hidden aspects pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[formal sinew]

The aspect that was thrown in Asphodels fire for being useless

[rustic vale]

“For being useless” 🤨

[vital tapir]

guan yu is fun if you get 2 perfect hammers and good boons

[rustic vale]

Guan-yu is fun if you get 1 hammer

charged skewer

who needs boons when shackle exists

[rustic vale]

Alternatively find artemis or aphrodite special and you’re set

Or go the other route get quick and massive spin with posiedon attack and sea storm, then win

[snow skiff]

quick spin + massive spin is not the way to go i imagine

[vital tapir]

it’s p enjoyable

[rustic vale]

guan-yu is like zag spear or hades but spear you only need 1 hammer

since you have built in exploding

[rotund galleon]

Guan Yu's special alone is godlike

[snow skiff]

zag spear also only needs 1 hammer

?

[signal aspen]

chain skewer

[snow skiff]

exactly

[rotund galleon]

you don't even need charge for Guan Yu

a special build does very well

[rustic vale]

I mean you can go flurry or you can go explosive charged skewer

[snow skiff]

flurry better

[rustic vale]

charged skewer goes hard on guan-yu

[signal aspen]

explosive on guan yu better

[rustic vale]

True

[rotund galleon]

you can also use BEAM with Guanyu

with aphro special

[signal aspen]

based

[rotund galleon]

tracking beam on Guan yu is insane

[rustic vale]

Uh what

[signal aspen]

way better than boiling blood

especially since guan yu gives you nothing to do with casts

[rustic vale]

Ah yes guan-yu my favourite castpect

[rotund galleon]

cast is there as a support

while you kill fool with special

or get Athena attac on

[rustic vale]

Tracking Meme beams is a unneccesary duo you’ve just added

[rotund galleon]

and lmao on attacks

tracking meme is fun

[rustic vale]

I would rather heart rend or deadly reversal for guan-yu

[rotund galleon]

Arte attack, aphro special, beam

heart rend

[signal aspen]

heartrend on your attack that isnt your main damage source

[rotund galleon]

no it's not

[rustic vale]

heart rend on special

[rotund galleon]

if you want critting specials sure

but pink goes well on Guan yu

[rustic vale]

Arte and aphrodite both go well on gy

But heart rend is just unnecessary on aphrodite special gy

Unless athena attack aphro special arte cast for like deadly reversal heart rend idk

[rotund galleon]

Athena attack is pretty neat on Guan yu

since spear is big

and it's a big of protection when you throw it

[high island]

Every aspect can be a Cast aspect if you start Crush Shot.

[rustic vale]

📈

[rotund galleon]

Gotta build that perfect Hadoken cast

[brisk trail]

When did they make it so you can’t dodge through skull explosions in dad fight? Went from no hitting dad to getting smacked by skull explosions multiple times in the middle of my dodge

[rustic vale]

🤨

[rustic vale]

You can

You can’t dash strike through them

Dash striking loses your iframes

but you can dash through them

[brisk trail]

Just regular dodge no dash strike

With reflect on

[rustic vale]

Skissue

because you can dodge through those

I regularly do

[brisk trail]

And would just get hit right through it, went from no hitting dad to only getting hit by skull explosions on my last run lmao

[latent moon]

This doesn't impact whether you dodge it or not

[high island]

Must have just mistimed your dashes. Sometimes you have those runs.

Yeah, Divine Dash has no effect on i-frames, and that attack can't be deflected either.

[latent moon]

Yeah the only explanation is that you mistimed it, dashing through the skull waves is a very common tactic used

[brisk trail]

I’d be more willing to accept this if I didn’t get through heat 8 saytr tunnels without using a death defiance. I was running great had no issues against any of dads attacks or his minions and I literally just keep getting hit by skull explosions I’m clearly dodging

[rustic vale]

I can’t think of anything else that would make you lose iframes on your dash then dash striking so I’m thinking it’s mistiming

[latent moon]

Well clearly not

[high island]

You're clearly not if you're getting hit.

[signal aspen]

just dont get hit

[high island]

Hmm. Beowulf Cast explosions remove your i-frames from dash, so that could be a cause.

[rustic vale]

little do they know I went into their game files and deleted the part where dashing gave you iframes

[high island]

That's the only thing outside of using attack, special, or Cast mid-dash.

[latent moon]

Oh I forgot this bug existed

We do love bugwulf around here

[high island]

It's mostly irrelevant because things are dead anyway.

[latent moon]

True

Just insta-phase them

[rustic vale]

I shall try for a flurry strike piercing wave zag sword run for the first time in a while

If I have twin shot with pos attack will they fly twice as far?

it seems like it

C13 second wave hahhahap

4x the knockback

Should I take rare jolted or take epic double strike, hoping for epic jolted later

[latent moon]

rare jolted isn't that bad iirc

and jolted rarities are just 1 pom apart so it's not too bad, scales fine

[rustic vale]

True it’s like 87 damage but I’m wondering if I take epic double strike and hope to find epic jolted later

[latent moon]

wait what do you have the lightning coming from

[rustic vale]

Zeus call and hopefully sea storm if I find that

[latent moon]

yeah i'd do jolted

i dont think double is that important tbh except for opening up splitting

[rustic vale]

Aight

[vital tapir]

double strike is pretty good on call

monkey brain takes high rarity

[rustic vale]

Second wave with twin shot is like giving these skele bois in asphodel a dodge

Chain shot isn’t bad right

when my other options are piercing and charged volley but I have no special core

Omg new patty dialogue I haven’t had yet

[latent moon]

i think it just makes the aiming a bit funky

but it's not that bad i dont think

[swift inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004618422094667777/1023649049775198388/unknown.png

Bruh

[latent moon]

nice castpect run

[shadow pivot]

Do you guys prefer family favorite (+5% per Olympian) or privileged status (+40% to enemies inflicted with 2 or more status)?
I feel like surely privileged status is better but I kinds hate having to force myself to grab boons just for status effects, then also making sure they're always applied
Idk
So I use family favorite

[signal aspen]

family favorite

[signal aspen]

just use stygian then you dont have to deal with greater recall

[latent moon]

literally because of the inconvenience, family favorites is a lot better

pstatus is only good on builds where you dont have to think about applying 2 statuses, like on chiron

[shadow pivot]

Yeah... I think so. Gonna stick w it then

[signal aspen]

i can actually only name 2 builds where ps is better

[latent moon]

snurst passion beo

ngl even without ps, passion is still pretty strong lol

[rustic vale]

Family favourite unless your build will actively be using 2 status curses (so dio builds and not much else I think)

[lean timber]

hera

[reef glen]

I moved my comment to #h1-builds-and-combat fit better in there

[lean timber]

i have a funny run planned for today

[latent moon]

cholley zag bow?

[shadow pivot]

So if I am correct, you get 15 rooms in Tartarus
When you go through an infernal gate into erebus, does that count as one of those rooms? Or is it like an aside?

[signal aspen]

it counts as one of those rooms unless you take it after chamber 12

then you will get an extension

making chamber 14 endshop

and chamber 15 furies fight

[shadow pivot]

Ah thanks

[lean timber]

that's only funny in the sense that it is comically and pitifully bad

[latent moon]

do it

[acoustic bolt]

man i just lost this crazy achilles run with epic splash dash, mirage shot, hunting blades, sea storm, 90% bonus damage from chaos, and 60% flurry cast

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[short glen]

Cholley?

[signal aspen]

the thing british people call shopping carts

[twilit lodge]

Varged Cholley

[hard viper]

anyone know where I can post an image to ask a question?

[acoustic bolt]

imgur links work

[hard viper]

ok

https://imgur.com/a/TXby1ZR anyone know what this lock is and how to get past it?

so I just need to keep talking to them?

I wonder how long that will take with hades lol

guess I'll just hold onto my ambrosia then lol

just found out there was a 3rd death defiance I could buy

bruh

i mean I cleared the game without it

but it should make thesius less worrying

[signal aspen]

you can actually buy 10 death defiances

[hard viper]

how lmao

[signal aspen]

pretty good

[hard viper]

not bad at all

[signal aspen]

no its pretty true and factual and real

not a sub6 time tho

oh thats really good for second win

[warm nimbus]

hes right though, if you want to get past the noob stage you have to get a sub5

[signal aspen]

not a sub6 time tho

[hard viper]

remapping special for q to tab is minor but makes it feel so much better

[signal aspen]

bruh

[warm nimbus]

right click in shambles

[vital tapir]

tab special is heinous

[snow skiff]

i use numpad3 special

[signal aspen]

backspace special 💪

[rustic vale]

alt(dash)+f4(attack)

best mapping

[hard viper]

just no-hit tisiphone!

(tbh, the 15% dodge chance from hermes activated twice in a row)

still feels good tho

[lean timber]

did you get hit

and take damage

[hard viper]

no damage taken

[lean timber]

then it was a no hit good job

[jade granite]

I nearly no-hit her, but got hit by her volley just before I got my last attack in.

[hard viper]

imo it wasn't a clean win because I got the 15% dodge chance from hermes, and it activated saving me

[jade granite]

Nah that counts.

[hard viper]

weirdly enough, it is theoretically possible to get 10 death defiances

6 for getting chaos legendary boon 6 times (max possible encounters in a run)
3 from buying from mirror
1 from skelly's keepsake

[latent moon]

you'd need 7 chaos gates lmao

not impossible, but gonna have to get really lucky well items

[hard viper]

Yeah and you need to get the legendary boon every single time

Theoretically possible but so rare it will probably never happen

[latent moon]

ngl at that point you're gonna be using Chaos DDs to stay alive from all those curse stacks lmao

[twilit lodge]

I don’t know why I even bother trying to play Achilles

Hunting blades denial gaming

[latent moon]

flurry jab zeus atk gaming

that "dumbass" is charon, who literally gave you the bone hourglass

and i'm fairly certain that means you have a max bond with him

either that or you maxed the keepsake, but i'm pretty sure it's the former

[high island]

Forged bond, yes.

[reef glen]

Are any of the hidden aspects super OP?

[latent moon]

Beowulf

Rama when done right

[reef glen]

Do you have to unlock them in order?

[buoyant harbor]

I don't think so, iirc.

[latent moon]

You have to unlock hidden spear first

After that it doesn't matter the order

Still certain reqs you have to meet tho

[reef glen]

do I need to spend 5 titan blood in spear? or unlock 5 different aspects of any wep?

CAnt seem to get a straight answer online

and do I need to play with the spear to get the unlock phrase? or can I just do runs with anything ?

[slim geyser]

what about athena dd’s too

[vital tapir]

they’ll only add one if you have an empty slot so it’s still 10 max at once

but with patty + athena you can use 15 in a run (and more from well)

[latent moon]

Directions are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[twilit lodge]

Super confused by what keeps zapping dad randomly on my current run

It’s like my call has a passive mode

[latent moon]

Do you have vengeful mood

With Zeus revenge

[twilit lodge]

Nope

Only Zeus boon is heroic call

[latent moon]

Weird

[twilit lodge]

Nope

[latent moon]

Not even jolted? Jolted would make it seem similar

[grim arrow]

You guys ever have runs where you just do absolutely terribly for no reason

[warm nimbus]

yeah it happens

[twilit lodge]

I had lightning rod that’s what it was 💀

Streak broken rip

[terse geyser]

there's always a reason.

[barren nymph]

What weapons are worth aspecting first

Just made it to hades on my 7th run

Still haven’t friended all the gods

[tall jungle]

hello , sorry for disturbing but why do i have this rich presence on my discord activity statue while playing hades ?

[barren nymph]

Is it?

[prisma wind]

Nothing is a spoiler in the main #h1-discussion channel

[prisma wind]

If you go into your discord settings and scroll down to Activity Settings, Activity Privacy, then turn off "display current activity as a status message" that will fix your issue

[barren nymph]

Hm alright

[prisma wind]

For first investment you'll get the best return on investment from the Zagreus aspects, since they're significantly cheaper than the others

And some non-Zag aspects don't really shine until you've dumped a few levels into them

[latent moon]

Zav bow shield and rail are the only ones worth upgrading tbh

[prisma wind]

I like Zag bow for early clears, but I also just like bow period

Gonna depend a lot on what weapons you prefer

[latent moon]

Hera's pretty great

It's like

Budget beo

Unmodded moment

Gaming

[hollow urchin]

power shot on the shield is busted i feel like you could beat the entire game with it alone

[latent moon]

the power shot hammer?

it's pretty strong yeah lol

[hollow urchin]

like the ability to take no damage then deal damage is everything you need isnt it? other than maybe swarm rooms id guess

[latent moon]

oh that's called bull rush

but yeah it's pretty good still

although funny enough the best shield hammer is charged shot, which gets rid of the rush in exchange for a projectile that does a lot more damage regardless of charge amount

[rustic vale]

minotaur rush is like

When are you ever fully charging a cshot rush anyways? And fully charging normal rush is

[latent moon]

waiting for invulnerability phase to end lol

or hiding to wait for stuff to clear and then shoot

[rustic vale]

True but power shot has a specific window

[latent moon]

then time it right lol

also there's gotta be a shorter way to say "invulnerability phase"

[rustic vale]

Waiting for invulnerability to end is hit and miss for power shotting

[latent moon]

skill issue

[rustic vale]

Boss iframes

[latent moon]

biframes

or bif

[rustic vale]

bames

[twilit lodge]

Shield

Bubble maybe

https://tenor.com/view/bye-lol-bye-gotta-go-g2g-troll-gif-19646545

[rustic vale]

Me when hourglass doesn’t make yarn last for 8 more boons

[signal aspen]

me when hourglass doesn't make fish last for 8 more rooms

[twilit lodge]

Imagine if hourglass worked on patty

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

[rustic vale]

Imagine if hourglass worked on well items

what a world that would be

[twilit lodge]

Imagine if there was a video game called Hades created by Supergiant Games

Available on multiple platforms

[rustic vale]

Impossible

[twilit lodge]

When Chaos doesn’t offer a +200% global damage boon with no curse 🤮🤮🤮

[rustic vale]

9*

🧠

[vital tapir]

just make the buff 9 times as effective

and the curse!

[twilit lodge]

“For 36 encounters, you have -323% max life”

[snow skiff]

me when hourglass doesn't make 9 infernal troves spawn

[twilit lodge]

That’s actually a good thing, troves are a time loss

[latent moon]

Great for reward farming tho

[rustic vale]

🤨

[signal aspen]

was it from thegamer

[rustic vale]

Chaos is additive atleast for the damage it gives you

[signal aspen]

if so then thats correct

[rustic vale]

They aren’t

[signal aspen]

i mean movement speed is multiplicative

but thats kinda it

[twilit lodge]

Crits

[signal aspen]

i also think increased darkness and stuff is multiplicative

but idk about thaht

[rustic vale]

Probably not

[signal aspen]

whats a crit

[rustic vale]

Pretty sure that’s additive

[twilit lodge]

Something that happens on zag bow

[rustic vale]

The gamer probably thinks all % damage is additive

[signal aspen]

whats a zag bow

[twilit lodge]

Easter egg

[signal aspen]

theyve played a ton of hades they probably know what they are talking about

[rustic vale]

quick someone get the photo recommending literally all athena boons on lucifer

[signal aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg

i actually refuse to believe that this is real

[snow skiff]

Brilliant riposte is completely vital

[vital tapir]

all chaos effects say + or - on them except inferno bombs, hidden chamber rewards, and can’t earn gold

and can’t collect bloodstone ig

[signal aspen]

and also "every chamber will contain a boss"

[rustic vale]

Is cuz divine protection is overpowered obviously

[twilit lodge]

SGG please add new chaos curse

Take damage whenever you dash

[rustic vale]

See the reason why they run all athena is they can’t survive without deflect

[twilit lodge]

Bronze skin is core for all builds

And Athena special

[latent moon]

Didn't that actually use to be a thing in early access

[snow skiff]

Blinding flash is overpowered

The expose damage is really good

[signal aspen]

its very good on beowulf since beo makes you take 10% more damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rustic vale]

Well no {expletive}

[snow skiff]

This chart is ass

Where is parting shot.

[latent moon]

Lucifer the castpect

[hollow urchin]

that was a fun run
got that op shield hammer and felt like that was all i really needed

Saved all my gold to buy a blood from the charon shop and then defeated hades just as quick

+4 blood run :)

[twilit lodge]

So ares call

[latent moon]

What's the point of ares there lmfao

[signal aspen]

this is very true and factual and real

[latent moon]

Slicing flare is based tho

[twilit lodge]

Ares call and urge to kill

Actually nah the attack and special boost after kill

So casts don’t get boosted

Better for that build imo

[latent moon]

On hestia this is really great

Super satisfying on hesty

[twilit lodge]

Good for Chiron too! /s

[latent moon]

If you weren't one shotting before then you definitely are

[twilit lodge]

Gotta double the damage of your first volley arrow

[latent moon]

Actually if you kill them then you'll have to shoot a normal atk first

So it'll work fine there

[twilit lodge]

True

[latent moon]

Unaruably

[twilit lodge]

[terse geyser]

special spam rama is a strategy that exists

with dio, it's even a fair bit of damage

but it's not uhh

great

[twilit lodge]

Imagine dying of a hangover

[latent moon]

rd special only rama

or ME rama

explosive rama is painful

[rustic vale]

explosive flurry rama

[latent moon]

is explosive even compatible with flurry to begin with

nope very cool

damn that reminds me that i still need to get a good zag bow time if i want to put stuff in for aotw

[terse geyser]

there's no way that's allowed

that hammer combo would be absolutely busted

[latent moon]

flurry doesn't even work on rama

and it's not even good

although with explosive that might be diffferent

and explosive on rama is pain

[rustic vale]

Flurry isn’t even compatible with rama

[rustic vale]

A) flurry and explosive aren’t compatible
B) rama and flurry aren’t compatible

[latent moon]

That's basically what I said

[rustic vale]

Stand strike Explosive twin shot

Twin doesn’t charge slow it just feels like it

Since it’s going way less distance over the same course of time as normal

[reef glen]

is there a tier list of difficulty of heat sources from pact of punishment? also what does an empty heart with an orangeish goldish border mean?

[terse geyser]

rama explosive feels real good if you have time to charge it, which you don't

[terse geyser]

it's wider
so the shape changes less, which is how you judge it visually

[rustic vale]

There is a guide somewhere

💀

A legit guide though

[remote iris]

What do you call Nyx when she protects a monarch?

[remote iris]

KNIGHT incarnate!

[snow skiff]

*blood frenzy

urge is pommable

battle rage is also not negligible on certain weapons

urge kinda sucks

[remote iris]

why ares hate

doom is really good

also he's hot

[snow skiff]

literally every hades character tbh

[rustic vale]

Arthur, hestia, bow, gy, charged skewer explosive launcher spears

Hunting blades builds

[snow skiff]

i would

[rustic vale]

and dio builds

[remote iris]

supergiant don't make everyone the hottest person ever challenge (impossible)

[old belfry]

(cops called)

[rustic vale]

(At 3am)

[remote iris]

I have never said anything about the character Bouldy in this chat.

[rustic vale]

That’s when you are taking ares outside of ME builds so I answered the question

[remote iris]

reply to this if you're a nerd

[rustic vale]

So dio builds and hunting blades builds and aside from that I can’t think of anything

[old belfry]

you

[rustic vale]

Merciful end

[remote iris]

merciful end bangs

[rustic vale]

so there are 3 builds in total actively taking ares

that I can think of

[snow skiff]

done

[twilit lodge]

Editing posts is for simps

[remote iris]

yeah im a simp

im number one ares simp

[vital tapir]

vengeful mood!

[remote iris]

is there a way to change my nickname to that

[rustic vale]

I have seen other people simping for ares I think?

[twilit lodge]

Chire misfortune kinda funny

[rustic vale]

Yes

[remote iris]

how

[vital tapir]

vengeful mood is actually good

[rustic vale]

right click your user iirc

[twilit lodge]

Uhh

[rustic vale]

then edit server profile

[vital tapir]

edit server profile

[remote iris]

curse of pain on rama kinda bangs

[vital tapir]

3 dots beside server name on mobile

[remote iris]

hi

[twilit lodge]

Hi

[rustic vale]

Based

[rustic vale]

Or just tap your own name

It brings up your profile and server profile to edit

[vital tapir]

that too

[twilit lodge]

Mfw no #how-to-use-discord channel

[rustic vale]

[vital tapir]

curse of pain is probably the best ares core to pick up for rama if you really want a duo fsr

[rustic vale]

📉📉📉📉

[vital tapir]

bc all the others are wasted slots

[rustic vale]

ME eamam

ME RAMA

[twilit lodge]

Hi rama

I’m dad

[rustic vale]

Hi dad I’m shackle bestest keepsake

[vital tapir]

it’s not the worst dash!

[twilit lodge]

Mans is in no hurry to get anywhere

Worst dash is boonless shackle dash

TFW no bonus damage on my dash wtf!!!

[vital tapir]

bonus damage on dash strike thoug

[twilit lodge]

Artemis dash on railgun sounds based

[vital tapir]

hestia strats

[snow skiff]

its good fym

it's like 2nd best

after zeus

i would rather take curse of pain lowkey

[latent moon]

Dio on rama is good only if you have PS and Aphrodite atk

Otherwise it's mediocre

It's very little DOT and your poms are more worth on aphro atk

At least with ares special the poms do more and it's good damage

Peer pressure sucks

[remote iris]

why wont aphrodite unlock last affinity

[twilit lodge]

I feel like bad influence could raise cap even more than it does and still be balanced

[latent moon]

And if you're duo hunting on rama just get smair

[latent moon]

Hangover over right moment

[twilit lodge]

You gotta get laid

[remote iris]

i did thanatos and meg (seperately i think) and befriended dusa

[latent moon]

Then it's dialogue rng

[remote iris]

do i need the cutscene with both of them

dusa is max affinity tho

[twilit lodge]

You have to get friendzoned by Dusa

[remote iris]

i have

i got friendzoned already

[twilit lodge]

You have to stop simping for ares

Aphrodite doesn’t like him

(He’s not a lover)

[rustic vale]

If you have spreadfire 👍👍👍

[remote iris]

im disgusted by zags comments about ares when he tells nyx about him

[twilit lodge]

Stepbro I’m stuck

[rustic vale]

Wdym he smashing nyx not aphro

[marble sky]

that feeling when you get the sack on the final chamber

[twilit lodge]

The legendary 5 sack

[remote iris]

I LOVE GETTING THE SACK!!!

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

A 5sack can still be a pb

[remote iris]

I WISH I COULD EAT THE SATYR SACK!!!

[twilit lodge]

It’s filled with dead rats so

Go off sis

High sack pb is very non frustrating

[latent moon]

It's full of vermin

[twilit lodge]

V good calming feeling

I recommend trying to anyone

[remote iris]

i do actually wonder what vermin tastes like

[twilit lodge]

Assorted

Probably tastes like Vienna sausages

Source: I have dogs and they react to Vienna sausages the same way Cerberus does to the bag

[remote iris]

I LOVE EATING SAUSAGE!!!!!!

[latent moon]

Idk probably

[twilit lodge]

It’s a satyr sack because the satyrs gather them and put them in the sack

For rituals or idk

Big if tru

But the game tells you the bag has vermin in it

Rarely, underneath the Cerberus vanquished

(The bag contains vermin)

[remote iris]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-barely-read-saturday-night-live-you-cant-even-read-you-are-having-hard-time-reading-ego-nwodim-gif-19742658

Yes

[remote iris]

who else here escaped enough that post ||queen return|| escape dialogue looped

[rustic vale]

I don’t remember

Is nearly 400 escape attempts enough for that to happen?

[remote iris]

how many of those were real escapes

[rustic vale]

All of them?

[remote iris]

oh

then yes certainly

[rustic vale]

Wait

[twilit lodge]

Weird gatekeeping flex but ok

[rustic vale]

Real escapes

[latent moon]

I have like maybe 250 escapes total lmao

[rustic vale]

nvrmind

I lied

[remote iris]

i thought by attempts you meant exiting the house

not fully leaving

[twilit lodge]

[remote iris]

it's not a big accomplishment by any means but it's still kinda cool

[twilit lodge]

[remote iris]

youre confusing me here

i choose to remain ignorant and confused (will deactivate my account to ensure you don't explain it)

[rustic vale]

I can’t check rn midrun

Probably about 50% at this point idk

[twilit lodge]

You need a better gaming chair

How do you get run over by a chariot in the middle of the wilderness

Very carefully?

[rustic vale]

I got first escape at about 50 attempts I wasn’t a gamer back then that threw off my %

[twilit lodge]

Fair enough

[barren nymph]

Whats the best bow build I finally finished friending all the olympians and duryice

[rustic vale]

which bow are you using?

[barren nymph]

Hera

[rustic vale]

Idk then sorry

[barren nymph]

I heard hera was the best?

Omg

Dyno

[rustic vale]

Aspects are subjective except beo

That too

[barren nymph]

So whats best build for bow all the ranged weapons are pretty difficult too used

[latent moon]

Chirons good for casual playing, falls off at later heat and when speedrunning

very safe aspect tho

[twilit lodge]

If no flurry jab, what’s good for Achilles? Vicious skewer, triple jab, extending jab?

[latent moon]

Hera has good burst damage, zag has a good natural crit so it's good damage

Well you suck

[barren nymph]

Ive just been using hera with Poseidon cast

[rustic vale]

It really depends what aspect you are using

[latent moon]

Triple or extended I think

[latent moon]

Use Aphrodite cast instead

[twilit lodge]

Does triple lock out flurry?

[latent moon]

Shouldnt?

[rustic vale]

No

[twilit lodge]

K

[barren nymph]

Alright what should i build around it with

[rustic vale]

Snow burst from demeter and then use pstatus

[barren nymph]

God 1 aphro God 2?

[twilit lodge]

Twin shot and cast buffs

[snow skiff]

True shot hera

[latent moon]

Ngl all you need with Hera is Aphrodite cast lol

[twilit lodge]

Trippy shot hera

[latent moon]

Auto reload from Hermes

[snow skiff]

Wrong

Quick reload

[latent moon]

That one yeah

[snow skiff]

Otherwise your bossing is shot

[latent moon]

Gone forever

[barren nymph]

Hera cast quick reload and freeze special?

With poison attack

Is that the wall one?

[latent moon]

Don't use the special on hera

Special on zag and Hera are useless

[snow skiff]

Don't use bow special in general unless you're on rama

[latent moon]

Chiron:

[twilit lodge]

Yeah especially not on Chiron

[snow skiff]

Using chiron:

[twilit lodge]

Dps loss

[barren nymph]

Alright so what am i using the demeter and dio on?

[latent moon]

Dio what

[barren nymph]

Dionysus

[latent moon]

Why Dio

Yeah ik who he is

But where did you get that from

[barren nymph]

Someone suggested dio

[twilit lodge]

I was kidding sry

[snow skiff]

Trippy hera is a lie

Never use it

[barren nymph]

Maybe that was before aphro alright

[latent moon]

There's too much going on here y'all giving too much feedback

[barren nymph]

Aphro cast and Demeter attack

[latent moon]

Yes that's fine

[barren nymph]

Alright ty

[latent moon]

Snow burst from Demeter is also good if you find that

Quick reload from Hermes as well

After that you're good

Not necessary if you're playing casually

But yes that's good damage

[barren nymph]

Isn’t keep sake order god 1/god 2/ acorn

Alr

Dosent purse just grant money?

[snow skiff]

Purse is ass if your build is complete tbh

U only take it if u need just a little push to buy thing

[barren nymph]

K thanks

[latent moon]

utility isn't important until you get more consistent at beating ely boss tbh

[snow skiff]

Acorn

For heat

God 3 sometimes

[barren nymph]

So god 1 2 and acorn

[snow skiff]

Harpy feather duster

[latent moon]

lucky wins against ely boss exist

i still took acorn into ely boss because it took too much hp away even after clearing a few times

even if you know you can beat it, it still might take a lot of hp

that's still like 3 hits isn't it

that's like at least 60 hp

which is a considerable amount and still worth taking acorn into if you're not that experienced

or burn a dd and not be able to get it back

you're not guaranteed to get it

which is why i said "not be able to get it back"

[twilit lodge]

Does Achilles care what god is on special?

[latent moon]

yeah but you're consistent at bosses so it's fine

others might not be

i'm not saying you have to take acorn into ely

i'm just saying it's very valid

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[rustic vale]

1/3/5 no?

[latent moon]

like i've burnt 2 dd's on ely boss before in a speedrun and didn't take acorn into dad and still cleared

[twilit lodge]

Well they are drastically different fights

[latent moon]

i didnt even use tooth

sigil

[latent moon]

still a dangerous fight

sigil full charge isn't good for speed running

[rustic vale]

Flat damage preferably I think

Achilles special isn’t exactly big base damage

[latent moon]

that's enough to instaphase

generally

[twilit lodge]

So curse my run by adding ares to the pool, got it

[latent moon]

hunting blades achilles

[rustic vale]

Wdym achilles takes ares anyways

[latent moon]

beo

rama

achilles casts

[rustic vale]

for hunting blades

[twilit lodge]

Yeah I learned that lesson last Achilles

When I was denied HB

I have phalanx shot and Zeus attack this time

[rustic vale]

Then you just use your artemis attack

[latent moon]

rd, twin, point blank, shared suffering

and fat aphro atk

[rustic vale]

until you find hunting blades

That’s the beauty of hunting blades achilles, if you don’t find hunting blades you just fall back on your arte attack

[twilit lodge]

Now I know

[latent moon]

the reason why full call sigil sucks because the boss iphase lasts so long you'll just waste it

[rustic vale]

And flurry jab and preferably splash dash

[twilit lodge]

Rn I have Zeus attack no special phalanx shot and splash dash

Using FO1 for heat 2 because I wanna learn it

Also I don’t hate it so far

[rustic vale]

If you didn’t have zeus attack I would’ve suggested zeus special

for jolted

[twilit lodge]

Already got epic jolted

[latent moon]

thats 3

[twilit lodge]

Yes, I’m overheated

But I wanted to see how fo1 feels

[rustic vale]

Just go for fo2 right off the bat
It’s what I did
I’m a gamer and you should too

[latent moon]

literally same hp

[twilit lodge]

Fake gamer gaming moment

[latent moon]

that's kinda painful but fun to learn lol

[twilit lodge]

So what special should I use

[latent moon]

oh yeah but it still burns time

[twilit lodge]

Ree

[latent moon]

and also darkness moment

[rustic vale]

I literally went from fo0 to fo2 just because I wanted to do shackle 32 heat and I haven’t turned it off since

even going back down to 20 heat for casual runs

[latent moon]

fo2 becomes default once you learn it

[twilit lodge]

Those saw blades mean business

[rustic vale]

True

[twilit lodge]

Or the falling axes

[snow skiff]

Achilles sucks

[latent moon]

once you turn it off everything is so sluggish

[rustic vale]

getting jolted to prok faster is always good

[latent moon]

skill issue then

[twilit lodge]

I mean canonically

[snow skiff]

You plow through tart and aspho and feel like a god

And then ely rolls in and kicks ur ass

[latent moon]

true

[snow skiff]

And you get like a 3 minute ely split

[latent moon]

that's why it took me like 5 tries to get sub10 achilles

[snow skiff]

Achilles is notoriously awful at back half

[twilit lodge]

Ely witches

[rustic vale]

I literally can’t with sword

It’s my worst weapon

C’mon I should’ve had a fighting chance when I had dedge and 6 dashes but nooo

I just can’t play it well

[latent moon]

how'd you get 6

gamer

oh heroic

damn

[rustic vale]

didn’t help that I had nothing on my dash

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[rustic vale]

Didn’t find tidal dash til I was at 4 hp with no dd’s

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

why do the shield bois have a beyblade attack

[snow skiff]

Tidal dash sword kinda sucks for speed unless you're super used to it

[twilit lodge]

Because otherwise all you’d have to do is get behind them

[snow skiff]

Shoving enemies out of your melee kinda poop

That's a you problem

[rustic vale]

Idk having 6 dashes and being bad enough at actually hitting with my dash strike means splash dash is a savior

[snow skiff]

Just dash out

[rustic vale]

Just dash out

I mean that doesn’t help when dashing in with sword which is how I died but…

[brisk trail]

hey guys is fully upgrading aspect of Chiron a good idea or not?

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[latent moon]

other bows are considered better but chiron isn't that bad

[twilit lodge]

How do I reroll Zeus and go from a replacement, storm lightning, and heavens vengeance

[latent moon]

to spite you i'm gonna do a chiron run

[twilit lodge]

To

A different replacement, storm lightning, and heavens vengeance

[latent moon]

gaming

[prisma wind]

Chiron is a very friendly bow aspect to get clears with for casual play

[rustic vale]

Yes

[latent moon]

nvm i gotta get a good zag bow time

[rustic vale]

I mean

It makes concentrated volley better

[brisk trail]

yeah also what in your opinion is the funniest combo ever

[twilit lodge]

Chire misfortune

Funny doom numbers

[brisk trail]

mine is lucifer and tempest strike

[rustic vale]

Super soaker

Lucifer tempest strike sea storm

[rustic vale]

Dire lucifortune 🧠🧠🧠

[brisk trail]

seems we both had the same idea

[rustic vale]

It’s literally it’s own speedrun category

[brisk trail]

yeah i've heard

[twilit lodge]

Broke: hunting blades Achilles

Woke: parting shot Achilles

[latent moon]

parting shot hunting blades achilles

[rustic vale]

Bwoke: true shot achilles

[twilit lodge]

Shackle Achilles

[rustic vale]

Done

Ez

[twilit lodge]

(50% is a lot)

[rustic vale]

Free win

[rustic vale]

imagine not having all your keepsakes maxxed out

[twilit lodge]

I don’t even have to imagine

[rustic vale]

Imagine not beating the game with each aspect with shackle

I can’t

[twilit lodge]

Somehow not getting rolled in ely with Achilles for once

Based Zeus triple flurry jab

[rustic vale]

True based achilles is special focused

Never attack and never cast

[twilit lodge]

Say less lemme get some Poms on this aphro special

Sweet nectar wru

[rustic vale]

This doesn’t sound half bad with like dio special passion dash curse of vengeance lmfao

[twilit lodge]

Epic rd to go with my epic greater haste

[rustic vale]

Love that +40% damage

just pray for hyper sprint in styx for +180%

[twilit lodge]

I don’t think I’ve ever managed to get both

[rustic vale]

I have

[twilit lodge]

Gamer

[rustic vale]

Hyper sprint haste and rd

[twilit lodge]

Teach me your ways

[rustic vale]

I mean some speedruns have hyper delivery and just a crap ton of those speed boost well items

[rustic vale]

Just get the boons™️

[rustic vale]

Enough to get higher than a +1000% damage boost

[rustic vale]

I think?

[twilit lodge]

3x Ichor, reroll, 3x ichor

Then you get a 5 sack

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[rustic vale]

Can only get one per well roll

[twilit lodge]

Just get the ichors

[rustic vale]

Just be a gamer

Trust me, if you escape with every aspect of every weapon using shackle and never picking up an attack/ special/ cast core you will find hyper haste delivery someday

[rustic vale]

Gotta love that +100% damage boost from shackle

It’s why it’s the bestest keepsake

[twilit lodge]

Imagine never doing a keepsakeless clear

[latent moon]

fresh file moment

[rustic vale]

I need to get better at sword before I ff clear

[latent moon]

23 sec champs clear i hope this run is a sub 10

[twilit lodge]

5 sack

Would suck

Break a leg

[rustic vale]

5 sac with tiny vermin

[latent moon]

modded gaming 2 sack guarantee

[twilit lodge]

Is 1sack even possible?

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

no

[twilit lodge]

I can’t remember if I’ve ever

K

[latent moon]

i have 2:10 to clear styx and dad

[twilit lodge]

So is it best to do a non miniboss tunnel first

[rustic vale]

I have a 0 sack

[rustic vale]

No

[twilit lodge]

Then a miniboss in hopes of sack skipping the boss

[rustic vale]

miniboss rooms are faster so do them first

[twilit lodge]

Oic

[rustic vale]

With hopes of second tunnel miniboss being sack, or third tunnel slower non boss room skip

[twilit lodge]

Tiny vermin any%

[rustic vale]

or just go down whichever tunnel will benefit your build more if that matters

I think tiny vermin is still faster than non-boss tunnels

not sure though

[latent moon]

1:03 for dad fight

very doable

but won't pb

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Tiny vermin is the best reason to include weak in a build

So you can actually see where tf it went

[rustic vale]

Lies who needs 30% 10% damage reduction anyways

[twilit lodge]

TFW weak is for weaklings

Sigmas use chill

[latent moon]

rip sub10

[rustic vale]

the reason you include weak in a build is her great damage % and good cast damage

weaken is just a bonus

[twilit lodge]

But her pp so short

[latent moon]

10:13 moment

[rustic vale]

Or duos

[rustic vale]

Lmfao wth

[latent moon]

gonna blame rare aphro atk

[twilit lodge]

Chode shot

[latent moon]

aphrodite is cringe

never gives me epic atk

[twilit lodge]

20% epic chance is a scam

[rustic vale]

Lies

Lies

Lies

[latent moon]

gonna give up on aotw zag bow

gonna try for a good chiron build

[rustic vale]

Aotw beowulf bow

[twilit lodge]

Epic swift flourish chire misfortune

[rustic vale]

cshot is a bow

[latent moon]

nah gonna try to get like every duo between ares, arty, aphro, dio

actually i'm gonna do a beo run to make myself feel better

time for sub3

[rustic vale]

beo is just better hera

[twilit lodge]

One day I’ll actually play any of the hidden

[latent moon]

ayo c3 arty

[twilit lodge]

I have 3 nonzags unlocked

[latent moon]

tart mirage time baybee

[twilit lodge]

So I guess soon

[rustic vale]

Today

Today

Today

[rustic vale]

Tart second wave

[twilit lodge]

It’s already tomorrow somewhere

[high island]

It's tomorrow here.

Stop living in the past.

[rustic vale]

Thats a really dumb thing to say

[proud stag]

Can someone explain to me WHY the hera aspect on the bow is good? May just be me but this seems kinda bad.

[twilit lodge]

Central moment

It is bad

Go with Chiron

[rustic vale]

It is not bad

[twilit lodge]

Chiron hits 8 times

You only have 3 bloodstones

[rustic vale]

a) it’s a bow. Bows are good

[twilit lodge]

Do the math

Don’t believe Ondore’s lies

[rustic vale]

Meme beams and hunting blades in shambles

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[rustic vale]

It probably seems bad because you might not be used to playing it and perhaps don’t know how to build it

[twilit lodge]

Counterpoint: Hera was a very non based goddess so using a bow of hers is cringe

Chiron extremely based, mentored your mentor Achilles

Majestic centaur

[rustic vale]

Counterpoint: no

[latent moon]

ah crap i have pride on not legacy

no tart mirage

oh well

[twilit lodge]

Did you get epic aphro at least

[rustic vale]

Just get epic rare crop instead of snurst

[latent moon]

2:46 tart leave this is a reset

cringe

[latent moon]

what kind of psycho does passion flare

[rustic vale]

Get pstatus from ruptured and chill

[latent moon]

im not even running ps

-4 hp per cast for +1 cast dont mind if i do

[rustic vale]

gaming

[twilit lodge]

Tiny vermin

[latent moon]

bruh got another 2:46 tart leave

certified washed

[twilit lodge]

Honestly uninstall

[latent moon]

dw this should be a sub 10 still

[twilit lodge]

Lightning phalanx Achilles gaming

Buying a diamond from Styx shop moment

Contractor pots investment return

[latent moon]

i'm not getting any free rooms lmao

very cool

[twilit lodge]

Does jolted stack?

From each instance of lightning

[rustic vale]

no

just like doom doesn't

[twilit lodge]

Trash boon

Refund pls

[rustic vale]

bruh

jolted is THE zeus boom

[vital tapir]

it can’t even crit either

honestly garbage

[twilit lodge]

No backstab bonus on jolted?

[rustic vale]

untrue

I think

hunters mark global crit moment

no way companions can crit off of hunters mark but jolted can't

[latent moon]

oh god 2 minutes for styx and dad i'm very washed

[twilit lodge]

Sturgeon gang

[latent moon]

nvm i got a braid this shouldn't be too bad

[twilit lodge]

Hypothesis: petting cerby boosts rng

Source: this is how it works in monster hunter when you pet the pig mascot

[latent moon]

1:13 for sub 10 gaming

[twilit lodge]

Just instaphase

[latent moon]

i did

ez

[twilit lodge]

C1 Aphrodite no attack after reroll ree

[rustic vale]

c1 no flurry strike time to give up and use a different weapon

[twilit lodge]

Chiron hammers: sniper shot chain shot twin shot

[rustic vale]

based

twin shot

[twilit lodge]

For challenge run?

[rustic vale]

just play it like bad zag bow because that's what it is

[twilit lodge]

Someday tisiphone will learn how to say zagreus

[latent moon]

okay now it's time for chiron

ngl if i'm hunting for this many duos prob gonna have to run legacy

[twilit lodge]

I took Zeus attack since I got twin shot

🧠

What could go wrong here

[rustic vale]

everything

[twilit lodge]

I mean

I have purple splash dash

So I’m golden right

[latent moon]

c3 pos reset time

[rustic vale]

a) it's zeus attack on non a fast firing weapon
b) you'll only shoot 1 bolt

[twilit lodge]

She’s improving

murderzer

[rustic vale]

murderer == zagreus:

True

[latent moon]

tart low tolerance gaming

arty next

[rustic vale]

styx everything else

skip asphodel and ely

[latent moon]

yep

i doubt i'll get the ares one tbh

i was hoping to leave tart with 3/4 gods needed

but can't complain about tart low tolerance tbh

DAMMIT witches circle is a 1 exit chamber and i got forced into dem

[strong ridge]

owned

[latent moon]

oh well maybe i can get 3/4 duos

[strong ridge]

u got owned pretty hard...

[latent moon]

definitely

[strong ridge]

only 3 duos

[latent moon]

well i want to get low tolerance, splitting headache, heart rend, and curse of nausea

on chiron

because pain

[rustic vale]

true

that does sound like pain

[strong ridge]

you want the whole chiron

[latent moon]

yeah

the whole chiron minus tdash

[rustic vale]

get curse of longing and hunting blades as well

[latent moon]

at least i got epic rare crop so now i'll have heroic aphro atk, dio special, and arty cast

eventually

[latent moon]

i'll burn your kneecaps

[strong ridge]

no

[latent moon]

welp i got splitting headache in c22 lmao

just need heart rend i suppose

maybe i'll force 5 gods in ely

[hard viper]

it feels so weird that at first it felt impossible to even make it to asphodel and now I'm able to clear with weapons I am bad at

[strong ridge]

yes

[latent moon]

man i love critting for 54 damage