h1-discussion

[snow skiff]

L can't midroll builds

[rustic vale]

It’s just you

I mean with no levels it’s effect practically doesn’t exist to be fair

[swift inlet]

Nah it literally doesn't exist at level 0

Zbow is super good lmao

it's just nemesis but a bow

[foggy lark]

I'm sure there are a lot of ways to make most aspects good. I just can't remember them.

[swift inlet]

Oh, no, zagbow is just very good on its own

It's simple, safe, and strong

[latent moon]

it's pretty bad until you get it leveled up

[signal aspen]

you arent using the special enough probably

[latent moon]

the other option around that is getting the twin/triple shot hammer to multiply your damage or perfect shot, point blank, maybe exploding so you have more damage

but without the inbuilt crits it's pretty lackluster

[old belfry]

but it's still a bow, so it stronk

[latent moon]

true

i got to the surface with base bow on run 2 (and obv died because i have no damage output and had 1 dash) so it's a really good weapon

i just wished that i had a hammer, and those don't show up until run 3 lmao

[snow skiff]

Bruh

Zeus start bow

[latent moon]

i forgot that zeus was guaranteed on run 2 lmao

on the other hand i really didn't want to play sword

with sword i doubt i'd make it to the surface

[mint coral]

Got to heroes myself during run 2 lol

[latent moon]

longest heroes fight of my life i swear

[mint coral]

Turns out even with splitting bolt, thunder flourish bow aint the best

[latent moon]

lmao rip

[reef glen]

Any1 have a boon suggestion for nemesis blade?

like, artemis, right?

[latent moon]

Arti atk and either Aphrodite or Athena special

get their duos for crit bonuses

[rustic vale]

Arte attack athena special aphrodite dash 🧠🧠🧠

Dedge

[latent moon]

Get parting shot 🧠

[rustic vale]

Deadly reversal and heart rend and parting shot gaming

[latent moon]

I wanna try to get that build lol

[rustic vale]

I got the boons for it in tart rn

Just got distracted

Arte attack athena special passion dash zeus call and epic jolted all in tart

it’s practically a free win

[latent moon]

Tbh I think getting the good gods on Chiron is gonna be more satisfying

[twilit lodge]

Just had a than room with only 8 enemies

[latent moon]

Ez win

[twilit lodge]

And I was playing Chiron so he sniped all my gd kills

[latent moon]

Oh

Rip

[twilit lodge]

Stomping statue things

He was killing them while in the air lmao

[latent moon]

Chiron sucks gaming

[twilit lodge]

Than got aimbot

[latent moon]

Aphro atk, Dio special, low tolerance
Curse of vengeance, curse of nausea
Arty cast, splitting headache and heart rend

Did I miss anything

For the god Chiron build

That'll never happen

[twilit lodge]

I’m trying for curse of longing

But ares showed up once and took off running

[mint coral]

Use arty call for splitting and instead go dio cast

For black out

[rustic vale]

RD and pstatus

[rustic vale]

Sweet surrender

[latent moon]

Y'all adding a bunch of more high rarity crap lmfao

Good thing legacy is a scam right

[rustic vale]

Rare crop

[latent moon]

Not a 5 God pool

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin

[twilit lodge]

Gotta be the family favorite

[rustic vale]

I’ve rolled with 6 god pools before

[latent moon]

PS is better for Chiron esp because the atk and special inflict a status

[rustic vale]

what happens with theseus if you have an 8 god pool

[latent moon]

Lmfao idk

"HADES!"

[twilit lodge]

Aid me hades

Yeah lmao

He summons patty actually

[rustic vale]

Wait it’d be impossible

I think

At most you can get is 5 in tart then force 2 more before theseus

[twilit lodge]

Just get the rooms

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

Oh yeah you'd have to force styx

[rustic vale]

You can’t natural more gods after 4 gods

Unless you happen to pick up the 4th god in a shop with a 5th god next room

[latent moon]

Yeah

And that'd be in asphodel

[rustic vale]

Have to force after 4(5)

so at most 7 for theseus

and force the last one in styx for 45% in styx make pstatus users in shambles

[latent moon]

Wait if you leave asphodel with 5 how do you get the last by Styx you need 3 more but can only force 2 more at that point

[twilit lodge]

Makes your build in shambles

[twilit lodge]

^

[rustic vale]

You can have 5 in tart

I just explained how

[latent moon]

Oh I counted Hermes in that earlier lmao oops

Getting 5 in tart is just pain tho

[twilit lodge]

Why can’t you persuasion hammers

That said I just got conc and relentless for Chiron

[latent moon]

Bruh you don't want to hammer either of those away lmao

[twilit lodge]

I know

But that was lucky

Wish you could persuasion hammers in general

[latent moon]

Modded gaming

[twilit lodge]

Stimky mods

[latent moon]

Cringe unmodded

[twilit lodge]

Time to see how disappointing freezing vortex is

At least one duo I chased this run showed up

[signal aspen]

unmodded gaming 💪

[snow skiff]

Yeah

The god chiron build is thunder flourish

[twilit lodge]

Even with the cooldown?

[latent moon]

Yeah what's next, lightning strike hestia?

[snow skiff]

Yeah

[signal aspen]

yeah

[latent moon]

Gamer

[signal aspen]

peak hesita performance

[latent moon]

But really tho did I get everything for that Chiron build

Because at some point in gonna spend a lot of runs trying to get that

[twilit lodge]

How does curse of longing work?

Doom just stays in effect doing half damage?

[latent moon]

Each successive proc of doom deals 50% less damage

[twilit lodge]

Does reapplying doom go back to full damage? I’ve got aphro attack ares special Chiron bow

Probably bad idea

[latent moon]

Yeah

[twilit lodge]

But chasing prophecies

Ty

[latent moon]

It's pretty pointless lol

[twilit lodge]

Hell yeah

[latent moon]

It's funny for meme builds tho

If you get dire misfortune tho

[twilit lodge]

I need dire yeh

Took til ely just to get a second ares tho

[snow skiff]

No because it still has no aoe

[twilit lodge]

Was rolling around with ares cast and Demeter aid as my cores for ages, pain

[snow skiff]

Whixh is cringe

[latent moon]

Curse of longing on Chiron would have to have doom atk aphro special but that's very minimal damage
If you switch them you need dire misfortune for it to do big damage

[latent moon]

Just meg the Styx tunnels

But eh you can get around that sorta

[snow skiff]

The god chiron build is super soaker splitting bolt

[latent moon]

Splitting bolt on what

The dash?

Thunder dash gaming

[twilit lodge]

She did say Zeus special earlier

[latent moon]

She

But yeah I just realized that lmao

Internal cooldowns go brrrr

[twilit lodge]

Epic dire

[latent moon]

Make the arrows of Chiron connect slower so thunder flourish works on it

But you stand there for like 4 seconds firing it

[twilit lodge]

Ok dire Chiron is actually performing

Asterius couldn’t handle the sense of doom

Asked me for a xan

[swift inlet]

Just use heart rend chiron

Don't even need it, could just do Artemis special

[hard viper]

made it to the ||hades|| bossfight for the first time and almost won. Didn't know there was a 2nd phase, and who knows if there are more after that. Felt super close though

[twilit lodge]

Keep it up

[latent moon]

Second phase moment

[twilit lodge]

Making it through the first phase is the first step in making it through the second phase

[signal aspen]

i just skip phase 1

[twilit lodge]

In a motivational sense, not a stating the obvious sense

Skip tech

[rustic vale]

It’s so sad that hunting blades and freezing vortex are incompatible

[twilit lodge]

That would be pretty banging

[rustic vale]

Only 2 phases unless em4

[twilit lodge]

I’m glad I rerolled the last two ares or else I would have been using the blade vortex boon

Which does less than nothing it feels like

[rustic vale]

Applying chill is gaming

Especially if arctic blast

[twilit lodge]

Im talking about the one that makes ares cast last 0.2 (golly!) second longer and “draw enemies in”

[rustic vale]

for

Engulging vortex is gaming wdym

[twilit lodge]

On paper it sounds like garbage and in practice it is garbage

[rustic vale]

In practice it’s gaming

not garbage

[twilit lodge]

I’ll give you that

[rustic vale]

especially if you shoot like all your casts and they’re just stuck in the vortexes

Plus who doesn’t want extra cast duration

[latent moon]

Engulfing is pointless just get hunting blades

[twilit lodge]

Idk the run I used it I had hunting blades I think

[rustic vale]

Achilles users is shambles

[twilit lodge]

And it just didn’t seem to be pulling anything in

[rustic vale]

True but it makes it hard for them to escape the blades

[latent moon]

I mean if I see it I take it but idrc about it lol

True

[rustic vale]

Harder*

Lies and slanders

[twilit lodge]

It is a shame to lose a whole mirror talent regardless of light/dark

But

It’s just 50%

[rustic vale]

Nothing in the hitgame Hades™️ sucks

[latent moon]

That's a lot against bosses lmao

[rustic vale]

My current fists pb is hammerless talos

[twilit lodge]

Engulfing vortex does

Literally

Per the description

[wet marsh]

do you still get credit for the fated list or whatever it's called if you sell the boon

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[rustic vale]

Yes

[wet marsh]

bet ty

[rustic vale]

Lies and slanders

[twilit lodge]

Same if you anvil it into something else

[rustic vale]

+50% additive

True but idc

[latent moon]

More damage is more damage and it's not that hard to actually implement lol

Obv if you're doing hunting blades or beo then whatever

But it's still a nice bonus

[twilit lodge]

The values would be lower to compensate I imagine

[latent moon]

Everything has more hp lmao

Cp2 gives them 100% more and each rank would still give 1 heat

[twilit lodge]

Run all damage reduction boons

Become invincible

[latent moon]

If everything is multiplicative they're gonna change the pact to compensate

[twilit lodge]

Chaos attack boons remind me of

The icons

Aphro triple bomb hazard shot meta

[latent moon]

Movement speed

Applying weak reduced damage taken by 30%

[rustic vale]

Yes

Weaken: 30%… up to +40%(or higher) possibly

Sturdy

[latent moon]

Lmao

Arthur's aura

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin is the lowest end

[latent moon]

Define "and stuff" then because we did and you said "except that"

[twilit lodge]

The dio one is strong

Just have to be low Hp

[rustic vale]

sure footing

[twilit lodge]

Aphro has a strongish one but only for close enemies

[latent moon]

Sure footing best boon unironically

[twilit lodge]

So… most of what will hit yoh

[rustic vale]

Thats for all damage

[latent moon]

Wdym for close enemies

[rustic vale]

Not just close ones

It’s just worded wierd

[latent moon]

You hit you apply

[twilit lodge]

Not taking about weak

[rustic vale]

It’s the other one

[twilit lodge]

Which isn’t dr anyway

Weak lowers their end

[rustic vale]

That literally isn’t just for close enemies thouh

It is worded badly

[twilit lodge]

Fair enough

[strange skiff]

Late to the party but listening now and I agree.
Also great tune

[rustic vale]

Wait

Neveemind

It does have a range

[twilit lodge]

We’re both talking about different league right?

[latent moon]

What

[rustic vale]

400 units is uh

[latent moon]

Isn't that a tier 2 boon

[rustic vale]

Different league != broken resolve

[latent moon]

Oh I forgot that one existed

[rustic vale]

and I was weong

Diffeeent league does have a range

400 units

[twilit lodge]

Maxed bone hourglass

8 encounters pog

[rustic vale]

For reference sniper shot starts doing extra damage after 675 so… idk how far that is either lmfao

[twilit lodge]

Like 2/3 of the screen

Outside of Styx

[latent moon]

Different league is cringe

Just take normal boons that apply weak

[twilit lodge]

As in, from you in the center, 2/3 of the way to the corner

Also different league is t1

Since someone asked

[rustic vale]

That’s almost how far spears attack without extending jab

Spears without extending jab go to 430 units

bomb

Better reference

[twilit lodge]

10% common vs 5% common bronze skin

Positive outlook is 10% common but only under 40% Hp

Do bonds power up the keepsakes at all? Only have one so far, and I don’t remember what the values on this keepsake were before I got it

[signal aspen]

no

[twilit lodge]

C10 unhealthy fixation

With… passion dash

This is either going to be awful or hilarious

[latent moon]

Sell for stonks

Unhealthy fixation actually pretty good tho

[twilit lodge]

Ayye and natural Demeter which is good cuz I already have static discharge

Hunting cold fusion this time

[lucid elk]

Hi...

So I'm thinking about buying this game while it's on sale, I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask about this, but what are the selling points of Hades? Like what makes it good?

[patent mesa]

you can be gay

[twilit lodge]

All the characters are hot

[lucid elk]

Oh.

[twilit lodge]

Also it’s fun and replayable

If you’re into that

[patent mesa]

and you can be gay

[latent moon]

Or bi

Or straight

[twilit lodge]

Lots of story and not like d2 story where you just wanna skip everything

[latent moon]

Or aro/ace

[lucid elk]

Ok

[latent moon]

But yeah the game has a lot of replayability

[lucid elk]

Ok I-I get it.

[latent moon]

Very good story, got a Hugo award

First video game to get a hugo award iirc

[patent mesa]

and you can be gay

[latent moon]

And you can be gay

[twilit lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[lucid elk]

😐

Ok

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[lucid elk]

So it has a lot of replayability, and you can be gay.

[patent mesa]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

Also it’s 14.99 rn on Switch eShop

[latent moon]

And a great story

[twilit lodge]

Oh and the music is good

[latent moon]

Oh yeah amazing music

[twilit lodge]

Pretty graphics

Fully voiced

And well

[latent moon]

If you're gonna ask a fanbase if it's good then they're all gonna say it's good lmao

[twilit lodge]

and you can be gay

[rustic vale]

Is still gaming either way

[lucid elk]

Bought it.

I'm going to play it for 1 1.5 hours, then decide if I want to keep it or not.

[terse geyser]

these folk seem excessively horny... allow me to point out that, hot or not, the characters are extremely INTERESTING and well written and acted

[lucid elk]

They are very much excessively horny.

[terse geyser]

the gameplay ranges from very chill to very intense

[lucid elk]

Ok, so the dialouge is worth reading?

[terse geyser]

yes.

[lucid elk]

ok

[twilit lodge]

You don’t even have to read it

[rustic vale]

The game is heavy rng dependent fyi

[terse geyser]

it's quite well done

[twilit lodge]

Since the game is fully voice acted

[rustic vale]

Yes

[lucid elk]

........................................................................................................

I'm getting flash backs from Radiant Markoth ._.

[terse geyser]

heck, I even tend to sit there and listen to the dialogue

[patent mesa]

but you can guarantee being gay

[twilit lodge]

Throw more dots

[terse geyser]

not just read it

[lucid elk]

is the rng like

is it annoying

[twilit lodge]

It’s a roguelike/lite

[old belfry]

it's a roguelike

no its not annoying

[rustic vale]

Depends on your point of view

[twilit lodge]

The rng is per run

[lucid elk]

I heard abvout rund

*runs

so like you keep escaping?

[old belfry]

you start a run, and make it work with what you get during it

[terse geyser]

it's manageable

[old belfry]

its meant to be completed over and over, yeah

[twilit lodge]

You bought it so…

[lucid elk]

Steam has refunds

[terse geyser]

you have a fair bit of control over your builds

[lucid elk]

Im not buying on switch

[twilit lodge]

Give it a try and you’ll see for yourself quickly

[lucid elk]

I bought BOTW and the fact that I can't refund it infuriates me to my core.

[terse geyser]

let him download it first jeez

[lucid elk]

Its like 47% done

[twilit lodge]

Why refund botw

[lucid elk]

I don't like open world it turns out

[twilit lodge]

Apple cooking simulator gaming

[lucid elk]

60$ down the drain...

[twilit lodge]

Femboy link moments

[lucid elk]

I wish I could refund fallotu but I had like 2.3 hrs in it

[terse geyser]

some people get bored right after they leave the plateau

[lucid elk]

yea

[twilit lodge]

Get quest arrows mod

[rustic vale]

[twilit lodge]

Ez clap

[lucid elk]

56% 😔

[twilit lodge]

Since you’re on PC it’s worth pointing out that mods exist for this game but you might not wanna use them until you’ve played more

[lucid elk]

I dont mod my games

[twilit lodge]

Me either bc I’m on switch

[lucid elk]

Well I might do a hollow knight rando one day

78% :D

[terse geyser]

your point?

[lucid elk]

whos arti

wait no spoil

[terse geyser]

nickname for artemis

[lucid elk]

oh

[terse geyser]

(the playerbase calls her that, not the game)

[twilit lodge]

Final boss

[lucid elk]

You are in fact not wrong

[twilit lodge]

Mans not hot

[rustic vale]

Arte* arti is a wierd i that makes no sense

[lucid elk]

I've never played this game, but I'm pretty sure Artemis is not a man.

Yo it's finished downloadign

[twilit lodge]

Rather presumptuous of you

[terse geyser]

it's a cuter, pet-name-esque abbreviation than arte

[lucid elk]

What option do i pick

[rustic vale]

Not hellmode

[lucid elk]

Direct X - Default, Vulkan, or 32-Bit

uh

[terse geyser]

default usually

[old belfry]

default is fine

[lucid elk]

ok

[terse geyser]

unless you have a reason to use another

[old belfry]

basically, if you should use the non-default options, you'd already know

[twilit lodge]

The others are there for compatibility issues

Afaik

There’s a #h1-tech-fixes channel here that explains some stuff about the pc client

[lucid elk]

ok

ty

this music!!! :0

[old belfry]

oh

just wait

[lucid elk]

Hell mode................. hm

I might try it

[patent mesa]

but you can't be gay with her

[rustic vale]

For a new player I wouldn’t

[lucid elk]

what does it change

[old belfry]

activates some end game mechanics from the beginning

[patent mesa]

you can be gay with more characters I bet

[terse geyser]

INITIAL difficulty

[patent mesa]

oh hell mode

not mods

[terse geyser]

+1 thing

[rustic vale]

Forces you into a way harder difficulty

[rustic vale]

Well

[patent mesa]

yeah hell mode sucks ass

if you hate yourself go for it

[terse geyser]

*starts you at a higher difficulty

[old belfry]

i started on hell mode, it wasn't BAD but it may have hindered my learning process due to slower progression

[rustic vale]

Way harder from never played before

[lucid elk]

oh

[terse geyser]

fair

[patent mesa]

not fair

[rustic vale]

Smair

[patent mesa]

bair

[lucid elk]

why does it obliterate 1/5 of my health???

this is hard already ._.

nio

[terse geyser]

oh shoot

[twilit lodge]

Pro tip: don’t stand in the way of attacks

[rustic vale]

It does iirc but it doesn’t teach you how to use them

[terse geyser]

I forgot to say the most important part

[twilit lodge]

Controls are in the settings menu

You can use a gamepad if you like

[lucid elk]

i need to reroute these so much

[rustic vale]

I don’t

[lucid elk]

I use mmb as dash lol

[rustic vale]

I think it tells you the buttons c1 of fresh file

[old belfry]

i thought call was summon for a long time

[rustic vale]

At least on console I think?

[twilit lodge]

Real g*mers play with joycons and use tilt controls

[rustic vale]

Joycons 👍
Tiltcontrols: 🔫

[twilit lodge]

Tilt controls are good for monster hunter and botw

[rustic vale]

Real gamers player with a recorder

[twilit lodge]

Bad for Mario kart

[terse geyser]

I should honestly get a joycon for it

[rustic vale]

Lies

[terse geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751112073924313208/755565546220683284/Gued_Controls.png

[twilit lodge]

Peak gaming

[lucid elk]

15/50, no healing?

[old belfry]

need the controller with paddles on the backside for face buttons

ultimate setup

[lucid elk]

5/50!

i die :(

phew

[old belfry]

dun dun dun dunnnnn

[twilit lodge]

Some healing. Zag actually has a voice line in the first run or two about “can’t heal… but I can fight “

[lucid elk]

what is rougelike?

[twilit lodge]

A game that is like Rogue

[lucid elk]

should i ahve known that before hand?

[twilit lodge]

The original rogue like

[lucid elk]

ok

[old belfry]

fresh start after death, with meta-progression in between runs

[patent mesa]

gay dating sim

[lucid elk]

ooo Hypnos, I love his voice

[twilit lodge]

Good

[rustic vale]

Yes?

[lucid elk]

y

[terse geyser]

I got that line in asphodel once...
staring straight at a door that had a sandwich as its reward

[twilit lodge]

You’re gonna be hearing it a lot it sounds like

The line where zag says he can’t heal

[lucid elk]

I mean I had no idea Hollow Knight was a metroidvania, or what that even meant, and now its my fav game :)

[twilit lodge]

I think it happens the first time you’re low on health on a fresh file

[terse geyser]

there is in asphodel before you unlock gem/nectar rewards

which is like

run 3?

iirc

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[lucid elk]

i pet the doggo :D

[terse geyser]

no

[twilit lodge]

I made it to aspho run 1

[lucid elk]

i like this game already

[twilit lodge]

On my fresh file

[terse geyser]

I made it to Elysium run 1

[twilit lodge]

Get this man some g*mer score points

[terse geyser]

came back later and grinded fresh file

[twilit lodge]

Yeah i restarted after about 20 runs on my first save

Bc I spent each blood on a different weapon and felt like a moron

[rustic vale]

Should’ve made it to peresphone run 1 smh

[twilit lodge]

Wow bro spoliers

[terse geyser]

didn't exist

observe the date on this #h1-builds-and-combat message

[twilit lodge]

Merciful end(of the game doesn’t exist yet)

[rustic vale]

Fax

no paper

[twilit lodge]

No printer

[rustic vale]

Holy

That’s older than I am

[terse geyser]

back in the good ol' days

when divine dash was a potential prereq for ME, and dual shot was an artemis boon instead of a duo boon

also there were only two hidden aspects

[rustic vale]

And support fire was a legendary?

[twilit lodge]

Imagine

[terse geyser]

no.

fully loaded

[rustic vale]

Not imagine

[latent moon]

Dual shot?

[terse geyser]

mirage shot, now

[latent moon]

Ah

[rustic vale]

[terse geyser]

mirage ~ rare dual shot

epic was simply better

and again - it was just an artemis boon
so much easier to get

[rustic vale]

Soo

Not imagjne

[terse geyser]

pfft

we haven't seen it

whether we know it existed or not

imagining is still all we can do about it

[rustic vale]

Fully Loaded (Artemis): rarity set to Legendary
Support Fire (Artemis): no longer Legendary; effect now scales with rarity

The SUPERSTAR Update - October 8, 2019

Who at sgg made this horrible decision

[twilit lodge]

Man, no zeus Demeter duo despite having the prereqs since tart

[terse geyser]

common complaint

[twilit lodge]

Big sadge

[rustic vale]

If you’re fishing for cold fusion might has well have fo2 turned on it’s literally free damage

[lean timber]

"free"

[rustic vale]

to you and your enemies

[lean timber]

calling forced overtime II "free" is a huge disservice lol

[terse geyser]

game breaking boon
let's make it legendary
3 years later, Frost Ripper is here to lambast this decision

[terse geyser]

forced overtime 2 is free.

[rustic vale]

The SUPERSTAR Update - October 8, 2019:

Fully Loaded (Artemis): rarity set to Legendary
Support Fire (Artemis): no longer Legendary; effect now scales with rarity

[lean timber]

it's not

it's one of the hardest pacts in the game

[terse geyser]

...

[latent moon]

cp2:

[rustic vale]

When you have jolted(and cold fusion) it’s free damage to your and your enemies

[lean timber]

cp2 on the otherhand is free

[latent moon]

JSfree

[lean timber]

true.

[terse geyser]

doesn't change it in the slightest

[twilit lodge]

Large nope

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929151169144692746/1023074063406616606/IMG_3287.jpg

[lean timber]

ur trolling + ignored

[rustic vale]

Exit the game

Then go back in

[twilit lodge]

Ik

[latent moon]

save scum gaming

[twilit lodge]

I pick “give up” right

[rustic vale]

the rng manip hammer

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

no

[rustic vale]

Nooooooo

[latent moon]

quit

[terse geyser]

quit

[rustic vale]

Not give up

quit

[latent moon]

give up means restart the run and you go to courtyard

[twilit lodge]

Ik

[lean timber]

give up, got it

[latent moon]

[twilit lodge]

Was funni

[lean timber]

you should give up, NOW

[rustic vale]

Yes matty give up

[latent moon]

bouta give up on you buddy smh

[lean timber]

never gonna g

[rustic vale]

Never gonna give you down

[latent moon]

banned

[rustic vale]

Never gonna let you up

[lean timber]

at moderators they are harassing me

[rustic vale]

Never gonna turn

[terse geyser]

not in the slightest

[twilit lodge]

Always coming from taking you down

[terse geyser]

my 9 heat is FO2 + TD2

because after that, the rest of 32 doesn't matter

FO2 is free experience

[lean timber]

okay u can speedrun lol

[twilit lodge]

This game has exp?

[lean timber]

no

[terse geyser]

no

I do

[latent moon]

experience as in like, playing experience

[rustic vale]

fo2 and em2 is making your run faster

[latent moon]

em2 is cringe

[twilit lodge]

I keep getting world splitter no matter how many attacks

[lean timber]

you have to cast

cast or summon

attack does nothing

[rustic vale]

On sword you must cast

[twilit lodge]

Different results just always including world splitter

[lean timber]

L

might be set

[terse geyser]

yeah, I should turn on EM2

[twilit lodge]

Been casting yeh

[latent moon]

do a summon

[rustic vale]

Shield is the only weapon I have found where attacking actually changes rng

[lean timber]

world splitter tbh doesn't matter because you should always dash strike

[twilit lodge]

does a barrel roll

[latent moon]

true

but big chop funny

[twilit lodge]

It messes with the dash strikes in my experience

[lean timber]

yeah it produces a particle effect which increases rng by 1

[lean timber]

not if ur fast

[terse geyser]

world splitter is good

[rustic vale]

I tried rng manipulating sword and gun the same way and it didn’t work

[terse geyser]

for the memes

[rustic vale]

world splitter good

Because it isn’t bad

[terse geyser]

chop chop

:D

[lean timber]

world splitter splits your pb in half

that's what makes it goo

d

[rustic vale]

It literally don’tn’tn’t

[twilit lodge]

Cursed slash

[rustic vale]

💀

[twilit lodge]

But I got the last hammer I needed for prophecy so I’m just gonna go with it

[terse geyser]

blessed run

[twilit lodge]

I have three DDs anyway

[lean timber]

hey, if world splitter is locked in, get piercing wave with it so you have ranged options

[twilit lodge]

Leggo

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash world splitter is overpowerd

[lean timber]

fr

[latent moon]

cursed

[rustic vale]

Anyways I anvilled into dedge dash nova earlier and

[twilit lodge]

Nah I got cursed slash super nova

[rustic vale]

Dash nova isn’t even bad

[twilit lodge]

And already had double nova

[lean timber]

worst result of all time i tip my hat to you

[twilit lodge]

I got this

[lean timber]

u got this

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash dash nova

[terse geyser]

dash nova isn't bad if you remember that you have it, and adjust your movement accordingly

[twilit lodge]

He will be charmed the whole fight thanks to my passion dash

Hey (step)dad

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

oh no

[lean timber]

what did he mean by this

[terse geyser]

I do not (ever) remember that I have it and adjust my movement accordingly

[terse geyser]

don't worry about it

[rustic vale]

Coaches don’t play 💪💪💪

[lean timber]

dash nova is poopy because it makes your special take 30,000 years give or take

[latent moon]

but have you considered

mega zoom

[terse geyser]

also slow

[terse geyser]

beg pardon?

[twilit lodge]

Have you considered pretending the sword doesn’t actually have a special

[rustic vale]

I have… hs zag sword 😎

[latent moon]

okay but

get dash nova

[rustic vale]

I’ve done the opposite

[latent moon]

and get an extra yeet

[rustic vale]

Pretending the sword doesn’t have an attack

[lean timber]

zoomers...

[terse geyser]

same

[lean timber]

at moderators can i have image perms reason: i think it would be funny

[terse geyser]

[lean timber]

[rustic vale]

At matty: send a sub 2 64 heat hera run and maybe you’ll image perms

[lean timber]

oh ez i already have a few runs

do u want the 1:57.49 or the 1:54.82

[rustic vale]

I want the 0:78.3

[lean timber]

i deleted that one to make room on my sd card

[rustic vale]

Too bad

[lean timber]

i can do it again nbd

[rustic vale]

Anyways I’m not an at moderator I’ve just been telling you to do dumb things

[lean timber]

whar???

i thought u were a moderator

[rustic vale]

Now go play supersoaker zag rail

[lean timber]

isn't that what those things on the start and end of your name mean

mod

[rustic vale]

They mean I’m cool

[lean timber]

oh mb that's on me

how silly i am

should i eat an iced cream rn

[rustic vale]

Yup

[lean timber]

true

[rustic vale]

You are a goober matty

[lean timber]

❤️

[rustic vale]

I am no a goober

[twilit lodge]

eats an ice cream in solidarity with matty

573 darkness from dad

Based chaos boon

[rustic vale]

Shoul’ve got more darkness %

[twilit lodge]

I think I had the Poseidon one too

Poseidon showed up and wouldn’t gtfo

Despite no cores

[lean timber]

doesn't he already give 300? that's only a 91% increase

garbage

[twilit lodge]

True I should delete the game

[rustic vale]

If you had deadly reversal you could’ve crit the darkness pick up for +200% darkness

[lean timber]

so true.

[rustic vale]

Multiplicative

[lean timber]

deadly reversal is broken in farming runs for that reason alone

[lean timber]

did you just say that a +xxx% increase was multiplicative

you fool

[twilit lodge]

Getting drunk with Achilles hell yeah

[lean timber]

a kill eez nuts

[rustic vale]

I mean if you look at what the crit tooltip says

[lean timber]

okay well

[lean timber]

my thoughts exactly.

[rustic vale]

Getting drunk with dio 📈

[lean timber]

i haven't played any games in a while

i've been too tired and stressed

[twilit lodge]

Press F in the chat to appreciate that Theseus dio call looks like grapes

[lean timber]

why would i pay respects to that

[rustic vale]

N

H

U

I

L

G

[lean timber]

[twilit lodge]

At moderators ban spammer

[lean timber]

true

[rustic vale]

At moderators ban Angra for not agreeing with me 100% of the time

[lean timber]

moderators, take this man from his home and kill him in front of the nearest public school

[twilit lodge]

[twilit lodge]

Agreed

[patent mesa]

@ moderators ban supergiant for including a btd6 reference in their game

https://imgur.com/vwd8sl0

[rustic vale]

At moderators ban flourishless zeus shield for mentioning btd6

[patent mesa]

also true

tbh I don't see why lucy can't have cluster bomb

[rustic vale]

I don’t see why luci can’t have rocket bomb either

[patent mesa]

I guess you'd need to change hellfire cap to like 15 instead

[rustic vale]

Or hazard bonb

[patent mesa]

lmao wait I just installed codex mod

let me try lucy rocket

[latent moon]

clocket luci

[lean timber]

switch gaming stocks fall to zero

[patent mesa]

lmao true

maybe that's why unironically

oh my god

clockets + triple + hazard works

[latent moon]

send video

[rustic vale]

is it big damage?

[twilit lodge]

Just get the four hammers

[rustic vale]

Is it luci damage?

[latent moon]

3 of them are incompatible lmfao

[rustic vale]

Is cluster luci good?

[lean timber]

cluci

clussy

[twilit lodge]

That triple bussy

[lean timber]

[latent moon]

[patent mesa]

https://streamable.com/ssnayw

[latent moon]

oh my god

that's beautiful

why hit the whole room with 1 swing from hades spear when you can just pulse the whole room to death

sgg making aspects balanced by making hammers incompatible is cringe

[lean timber]

THE NUCLEAR WARHEAD INFERNAL ARM...

IT'S REAL

🎵 CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER 🎵

[latent moon]

step aside rd clockets eris, new nuke in town

what does clockets hazard look like actually

on nonluci

[lean timber]

lol mod reacted

i've been spotted

pray for me

[latent moon]

calling sgg cringe makes mods appear, good to know

[lean timber]

it's our summon

we can only use it five times while being here

do you think our moderator companion is maxed out or do we need some more ambrosia for that

i'm such a loser.

[latent moon]

it's probably maxed

[warm nimbus]

based

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1023121391689670696/unknown.png

fastest i've gotten the first boon lmao

[latent moon]

accidentally got hunting blades on zag bow instead of heart rend lmao

[sharp lotus]

how

[lean timber]

skill issue go for .85

you have to phase thru the side wall for a shot at sub 90

i can't do any faster

[quaint pier]

yo ive gotten the megaera favor cutscene but still cant give her ambrosia

its been like 5+ completed runs and i still havent gotten it

[twilit lodge]

Even before you talk to her you can’t give?

[misty jungle]

giys

when you kill bone hydra

is an animation supposed to happen during the dark place thing

because for me it just goes dark then the hydras head is gone

is that normal

[lean timber]

what do you play on

[misty jungle]

pc

but I use a controller if that changes anything

[lean timber]

hmm

there should be a lil boom animation

i think

[misty jungle]

oh also if you use skellys tooth then use the ability on tartarus then change it for a different keepsake on asphodel then switch back on eleysium will skellys tooth refresh

[misty jungle]

i have those effects but the bone hydra itself doesnt appear in the animation

[lean timber]

no

[terse geyser]

you can't put a talisman back on during the same run

[lean timber]

that's intended

[misty jungle]

ah

[misty jungle]

ok thanks

[hard viper]

i was using skele's keepsake so I had a free extra life

fr

I usually use the +1% dodge chance keepsake for first 2 areas and skelly's tooth and last 2

[lean timber]

you realize that once you remove hermes' plume you lose all its bonuses right

you don't keep them if you change keepsakes

plume actually has a use outside of the tiny benefit at least

butterfly does too, but it doesn't help your run

the funny sound 😄

• gives you a shot at his legendaries early

so you get two chances instead of one

if you really want it

hermes'

for plume

it opens the chance for legendary immediately without requiring one of his boons first, which saves your other hermes boon for something useful

the funny sound

[warm nimbus]

only useful hermes is hyper delivery tho

[strong ridge]

^ non ichor gamer

ichor delivery go stupid go crazy etc

[swift inlet]

Ichor is so funny that it can singlehandedly buff rush delivery to the next rarity level

[warm nimbus]

yep lmao

2 ichor common delivery is 94%

almost an epic rd

[swift inlet]

Huh

2 ichor is a 44% boost to movement speed

20% movement speed buff

[warm nimbus]

yeah 1.44*2=288-100=188/2=94

[swift inlet]

Oh yeah it's doubled

Gaming

Lmao my pb had rd with no hyper sprint

Common haste + 1 ichor for a 22% boost 😩

[strong ridge]

one day…i will get the aid buff and rush delivery…

[swift inlet]

Aid buff?

[strong ridge]

30 dodge and 30 movement

[swift inlet]

The hermes or zeus one

[strong ridge]

hermes

[swift inlet]

Oh, hermes

Not good

Get hyper sprint instead

[strong ridge]

i know

[swift inlet]

It doubles your movement speed after a dash

[strong ridge]

it’s also almost impossible to even get aid buff and rd

[swift inlet]

You can only see hermes twice normally, a max of 3 times with Styx shop

So like

Trying for that would be awful

[strong ridge]

but if u got it u would be going crazy

for like 6 chamber

😎

[lean timber]

Quick Reload, Bad News are calling...

[strong ridge]

tart shop counts as biome

[lean timber]

no

[swift inlet]

Pretty sure tart shop removes one of the hermes you can see

So

[strong ridge]

yes

[swift inlet]

It's still just Styx shop

That's its own separate one

[lean timber]

other than the 50% chance of seeing him in the styx endshop, you can only see hermes twice, no matter what

[signal aspen]

ive seen hermes 5 times

[strong ridge]

no u not

[latent moon]

I wish I knew man lmao

Phase through the side wall and hit E idk

[rustic vale]

Zag fist max dodge% runs

Wait I read wrong

[strong ridge]

max dodge run try not to fall asleep challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[lean timber]

very precise angles and dash timing

[latent moon]

There's a first boon TAS video somewhere lol

Rng manipulation

[signal aspen]

hit cast and summon a couple times before each room

guarantees sub3

[devout terrace]

No

[warm nimbus]

lol

[rustic vale]

Yarn makes lowest possible rarity to rare

Not ups the rarity of everything

[latent moon]

Yarn basically means "no common boons" and an increased chance for duos/legendaries

Also heroic boons are just replacement boons when offered by a god

Yeah

[swift inlet]

I highroll into heroic ares attack offer after pomming my attack 5 times

Ez

[signal aspen]

you can also get the well item that increases all your boons rarity to heroic

[latent moon]

500 gold

Yeah

[swift inlet]

It's why exclusive access in tart is useless

[rustic vale]

5000* obols

[swift inlet]

^ you need heroic side hustle

[latent moon]

Missed a 0 mb

[swift inlet]

Yes

[rustic vale]

I swear I have

[latent moon]

Trials?

[swift inlet]

So true

[rustic vale]

c2 boons

[latent moon]

Oh c2

[signal aspen]

you can

[rustic vale]

I swear on someone else’s life I’ve got c2 boons before

[lean timber]

i didn't know that actually

[rustic vale]

Reset(die) runs till you get what you want

[swift inlet]

Or hit give up and rng manip blindly

[signal aspen]

i dont think you can manip c2 reward

only seed it

[latent moon]

Chaos you can

But otherwise yeah you're right

[lean timber]

yup c2 is locked

as well as c1, obviously

[swift inlet]

Mom pom really needs a buff ngl

[rustic vale]

Yeah

A pom every chamber at least

[swift inlet]

Based

Small pom for every enemy killed

So it gets the boost from sweet nectar

[rustic vale]

Small pom for every second in the run

And every enemy killef

[signal aspen]

you get a new lvl 5 boon every chamber

[swift inlet]

Put mod in folder

Run python file

[rustic vale]

Just like me fr

[lean timber]

did you mean: mods

[prisma wind]

While we generally don't mind brief talk of mods in here, if you just want to have a conversation about them or need help getting them to work, please do so in the Hades Modding discord server. There is a link pinned in the #self-promotion channel

[twilit lodge]

Based official stance

[patent mesa]

@brisk trail nice installing cheat engine

damn now you can't play contested territory anymore

r!ntwic

based underdrive fan??

[twilit lodge]

Why would your antivirus not like a program that hooks into other executables

[delicate sorrel]

@brisk trail Yeah, probably play a bit on the conservative side. Plus find that it compounds since you don't have time to do things like searching for coins in urns which reduces things like your total health and how many boons you have

Plus play on touch pad which certainly doesn't help any

Really? I always find myself low on coin when I run tight deadline

[rustic vale]

Yeah I think that would make your clear times slower

[rustic vale]

You do have time to grab urns

[delicate sorrel]

Yeah. With the exception of the fists I usually beat Lernie at around the 17 minute mark.

Which is enough to get through Asphodel but normally something like 40 min when I hit redacted

[twilit lodge]

But you can go quicker clearly if you’re using TD

[rustic vale]

I mean most people don’t pick the game up then instantly hit sub 20’s

[rustic vale]

Td makes no change to your game that would result in a faster clear speed

[twilit lodge]

I meant

[rustic vale]

the only thing is mentally pushing you faster

[twilit lodge]

If they used TD they must have been able to clear faster than that

But I see now that they have never had a run that would survive TD1

[delicate sorrel]

Yeah, tried it before and got to Meg but found myself in a pretty weak state and got myself killed there for the first time in awhile. Not really sure why I'm so slow but I am.

Might try again with maxed out Zagrius sword or the fists, see if I can make it work for once

[rustic vale]

Not everyone progresses at the same rate

[twilit lodge]

In the spirit of being constructive… coin urns have a sparkle effect that you can see even if you can’t see the urn body glowing

Also the timer keeps going after you clear most chambers, even if you are looking at your build

[rustic vale]

Just pause the game to make decisions ez

Try to end closer to the doors

And dash strike

Dash strikes > standing strikes on every weapon

[twilit lodge]

Big fax

Even the ranged weapons to an extent

[rustic vale]

“To an extent”

Which ranged weapon isn’t using dash strikes

[delicate sorrel]

Yeah, but still like to do a run around of the room which can take a few seconds in Asphodel or Elysium. Add that up for a few chambers and can take a chunk. Especially if you end up with a chaos boon that slows you down

[twilit lodge]

Well you can’t spam dash strike on bow like melee

[rustic vale]

Yes you can

[twilit lodge]

Bc you have to hold long enough to reach

[rustic vale]

You still dash strike for every shot

[twilit lodge]

Not like melee where you can basically press the two buttons together the whole time

You can still dash strike every attack sure

[latent moon]

triple shot exists

[rustic vale]

You should still dash strike on every attack

Plus yeah shotgunning with bow relies on dashstrikes because standing strikes are slow af

Alternatively… just get flurry shot

[latent moon]

flurry shot is cringe

[grim arrow]

HIYA how do I get aspect of Arthur?

I looked it up online and am just confused

[short glen]

Except Arthur, where to my understanding the sheer power of it's standing strikes and the exact speed it hits tends to leave them equal.

[rustic vale]

Do you have guan-yu revealed?

[short glen]

Speaking of. Unfortunately I don't remember

[grim arrow]

Nope

[rustic vale]

#h1-story-discussion message

[rustic vale]

That’s your first issue

[grim arrow]

oh that's pretty easy to do then

alright got it

[rustic vale]

Tbh it’s kinda because you chain your regular attacks between dashes if you spam

[short glen]

I see

[rustic vale]

So unless you take a little between each dash you might end up not dash striking at all and instead just normal striking at the end of your dashh

Dedge on arthur is goated thoughp

[rustic vale]

Unless I’m just playing it wrong

[short glen]

I've heard that same sentiment before

I think that makes it the sword best suited for hammers tbh

A lot of them are really bad because they only apply to standing strikes iirc

[lean timber]

essentially

or completely ruin your mobility/move functionality a lá dash nova and a few others i think idk i don't run sword anymore

[short glen]

Yeah sword hammers aren't great either way, but on Arthur there's fewer that actively harm the run or do nothing, ya know?

[rustic vale]

I mean losing flurry world splitter and cruel thrust from your pool is goated

[short glen]

Oh does it lose those?

[latent moon]

most likely

none of those hammers make sense on arthur

cruel thrust doesn't apply to dstrikes and the typical combo doesn't have a thrust

[short glen]

What does flurry actually do?

[latent moon]

very very fast swings

you lose the standard combo and just swing

[short glen]

Wiki confirms Arthur cannot get those

[rustic vale]

Yes because it can’t use any of them

[short glen]

Shadow slash seems like it could be really maybe worth taking if it applied to dash strikes

[rustic vale]

Like it would lose the part distinguishing it from the other swords if you were allowed to have flurry or world splitter

[rustic vale]

It only applies to base attack combo… which arthur uses anyways

[short glen]

I meant in general

[twilit lodge]

Nice thing about sword is with the standard combo if you spam dash strikes you still do the normal combo on occasion while dash is on cooldown

I liked shadow slash the times I’ve had it

Than is such a gd tsundere

[rustic vale]

Replaces your sword combo with faster 25 base damage swings and kills your dash strike

[rustic vale]

And lets you hold down the attack button

I’m still trying for my flurry strike epic/heroic swift strike piercing wave zag sword run

I’m not sure

I’m fairly certain it’s possible idk