#h1-discussion

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warm nimbus
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seems like itd be hard to dash up and to the left, summon, dash out of a reload into a special while buffering an attack on controller

strong ridge
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one finger on right stick, one on x, one on a, etc

snow skiff
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Seems like it would be hard to be based on a controller

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👍

warm nimbus
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trueee

mint coral
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Being cringe is being free anyways

warm nimbus
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also controllers are super easy to break

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compared to keyboards or mice

snow skiff
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Insert joycon drift joke

mint coral
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Was gonna say

warm nimbus
mint coral
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You play hestia?

warm nimbus
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no

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but i wouldnt on controller even if it was the only aspect

strong ridge
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faze zagrus

warm nimbus
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also on controller you cant separate dash direction from dash strike direction

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and autoaim means arced attacks cant be aimed as precisely

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like beo dstrike and gilga

mint coral
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Those things have giant hitboxes anyways

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How specific you need to be

strong ridge
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i cant aim beo please

mint coral
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Like i get it, you dont like controller dusa

warm nimbus
mint coral
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And i cant play hades on kbm to save my life

warm nimbus
mint coral
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But thats just because i started on switch, il prob be chill on kbm if i had it on pc

warm nimbus
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i know its just personal preference lol, the scenarios where kbm actually makes a difference are extremely niche

strong ridge
mint coral
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Only change i would like for controller is achilles auto aim lol

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And triple bomb for luci

warm nimbus
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also i learned the other day that you have to manually aim beo on controller

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how tf does that work

mint coral
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Just aim?

warm nimbus
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ig

rich gulch
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Acquire skill.

mint coral
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I mean im not the one to soeak anyways

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I just play hestia but on shield

warm nimbus
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ew zag shield

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worst shield

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totally not just because i cant play it

mint coral
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I cant hear you

strong ridge
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zhield >

mint coral
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At least zag shield has a definee design

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Vs noodle looking big plate

strong ridge
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rectangle of reality shifting

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(beo is not bug free)

mint coral
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BeOwOlf

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This bad boy can fit so many bugs on it

strong ridge
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trippy shot + bad news + mirage = early access gameplay

mint coral
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Was gonna say use infernal soul to add the cast stuck but that replaces bad news

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I really hate that bug

strong ridge
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double edged bugs : (

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2x damage bugs : )

mint coral
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Whatever the other beo bugs are :|

mint coral
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When you cant pick up the room reward till you pick a cast

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Idk how else describe

warm nimbus
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oh that one

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cant you get that on stygian

mint coral
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I dont think so?

warm nimbus
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bug doc says you can

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idk then

signal aspen
warm nimbus
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huh, wacky

tepid light
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replacing calisthenics program with hard labor

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because the former was just too painful

rustic vale
latent moon
warm nimbus
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yeah cp is really bad

latent moon
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makes every fight harder

tepid light
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you'd think a small health increase wouldn't be too bad
but oh god does it make the bosses a lot more difficult

latent moon
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15% isn't small lol

warm nimbus
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you dont take cp1 until 45 and dont take cp2 until some time over 55

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generally

tepid light
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but bosses

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whew

latent moon
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also considering you're running em4 lmao

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5k more hp per phase or something

tepid light
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yep

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makes his healing feel even worse

latent moon
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better to take literally anything other than dc and hs for 1 heat lmao

rustic vale
latent moon
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okay buddy

tepid light
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ah yes lemme just slap calisthenics 2 onto dad

rustic vale
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I don’t see a reason to take off cp2 yet cuz I’m not at the point where I need to run em4

latent moon
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what's your pact lmao

rustic vale
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Changes depending on how I’m feeling tbh

latent moon
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but also enemies having 30% more hp takes longer to kill and td3 eventually catches up

rustic vale
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usually includes atleast em2 cp2 fo2 td3 mm bp2

latent moon
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im still working through beo 40 boonless and it is not going great lmao

latent moon
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at least that way you're not buffing dad

latent moon
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i tried two this morning and died in styx and lernie lmao

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no patty moment

rustic vale
latent moon
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longer fights are pain tho

tepid light
latent moon
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shackle beo takes forever to kill em3 and dad

rustic vale
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If the run dies it wasn’t worthy

latent moon
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lowkey considering dd and lc2 lmao

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i just need more hp vs dad but also patty sd healing is good so idk how that's gonna work

rustic vale
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I should probably learn how to play better though

strong ridge
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do acorn lc 4

rustic vale
tepid light
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OW OW OW WHY DOES HARD LABOR HURT SO MUCH

strong ridge
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sd is hardly different than dd when it comes to hp/room

latent moon
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without the damage the fight is gonna take twice as long basically

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at least, considering i have to wait to pick up the casts

strong ridge
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r u cp?

latent moon
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no

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this is the pact i'm working with

strong ridge
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boonles right

latent moon
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yeah

strong ridge
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slide some ri in there i say

latent moon
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i need room rerolls

strong ridge
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for

latent moon
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wait actually

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i'm avoiding them so much that i can just sell them for the most part

latent moon
strong ridge
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purge pool

latent moon
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boonless 40

warm nimbus
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ohh

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looks good

latent moon
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ri might not be a bad option actually

strong ridge
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u can purge boons for it to count as boonless fwiw
unless u want a "pure" boonless

warm nimbus
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that means no room rolls

signal aspen
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Actually tho take away cf and use hl5

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But hearts

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And we'll items

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Well

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Wtf

latent moon
signal aspen
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Buy hearts

warm nimbus
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actually wait is it better to do room rolls or boon rolls

signal aspen
latent moon
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i've already done hl5 no cf, i ended with 1k gold

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died with 1k gold rather

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i can work with cf2, i can only buy 2 hearts per biome anyways

signal aspen
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Don't die then

latent moon
strong ridge
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do ri in lieu of hl to unlock dad pool noodle form

warm nimbus
latent moon
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no

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sword doodoo

warm nimbus
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fair enough

latent moon
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this is beo

warm nimbus
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oh wtf

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no

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hesty

latent moon
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no

signal aspen
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Yes beo

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What's wrong with boonless beo

strong ridge
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lots

signal aspen
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You have the 100% damage bonus from shackle

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Literally double damage!!!!!!!

warm nimbus
tepid light
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0/10 bad hades player

latent moon
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i've gotten to dad many times so it's not that bad

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it's literally just me being dumb

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i keep getting hit with boiling and getting greedy with blocking instead of dodging

strong ridge
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why not throw another ap on there

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wells?

latent moon
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because i'm not rerolling boons and i don't want to get locked into an atk/cast

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considering i need 2 of them ap2 will kill the run

tepid light
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epic aphro strike, chaos boon that gives me +72% attack damage, and rending claws on gilgamesh

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this ought to be interesting

strong ridge
latent moon
mint coral
latent moon
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and that will always be rerolled into a god

strong ridge
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purge o clock

latent moon
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it's still a risk tho

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and in my 5 or so runs i've never seen a purging pool other than at the end of biomes

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maybe i missed 1 or 2 but still, they're not common

mint coral
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Luck issue

latent moon
strong ridge
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i mean styx miniboss would suck but otherwise u could purge every miniboss

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unless ofc u want the real boonless

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not just the clear msg

mint coral
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Styx mini boss can be roll into other gold rewaeds at least

latent moon
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i just want to end without boons for now

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if i want true boonless i'd do lower heat

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i forgot why i'm doing this

mint coral
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Remember you can take not purgable boons for the msg at least

strong ridge
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i forgor

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but ye boonless is p forgiving

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clear msg wise

tepid light
latent moon
mint coral
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Chaos/that one Pos boon too

latent moon
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oh yeah i've been taking chaos

tepid light
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this is real unga bunga hours

mint coral
strong ridge
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does ss apply to summons

mint coral
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Yeah

strong ridge
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funny

mint coral
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Is an "enemies take more dmg"

warm nimbus
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yeah i think rules that the community has defined for boonless is that you cant benefit from an olympian or chaos boon at any point during the run

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but for the in game text its just no purgables at the end lol

strong ridge
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big disparity

warm nimbus
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yeah for sure

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because for the in game text you could just take boons like normal and save 6 rerolls for styx well

strong ridge
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yerb

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what is the purging well

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lore wise

mint coral
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Charon being based

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Who cares about the olympians i want money

warm nimbus
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based

rustic vale
tepid light
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the salt flows through me

latent moon
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this is why we dont take trials

strong ridge
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avg dd gameplay

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sd users rise

mint coral
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If its tart just buy another dd later smh

latent moon
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heck yeah buddy

rustic vale
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Just be better at trials and don’t get hit

mint coral
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Just get easier gods at trials

warm nimbus
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idk poseidon trials are easy

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i sometimes take for uc

strong ridge
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facts

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my favorite trial is dio because he doesnt really try

tepid light
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i actually find pos trials kind of hard

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because of that damn wave

strong ridge
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u just dash thru the wave

rustic vale
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My favourite trial is artemis because idk what she does but I don’t think I ever get hit by her things

warm nimbus
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that wave comes around once every few years and you can barely call it homing

strong ridge
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shes like a faster weaker zeus

mint coral
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Athena in ely can be such a time waste but cant pass on DD chance

tepid light
strong ridge
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ull get it

mint coral
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Pos trial is mainly annoying in ely for me

warm nimbus
mint coral
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Small screen = blends into background

warm nimbus
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that heart is really slow

tepid light
warm nimbus
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for poseidon you want to dash vaguely perpendicular to the direction of motion

strong ridge
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aphro likes to troll u by spawning her heart in ur heart

warm nimbus
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just move away from it and it wont hit you

strong ridge
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i stg half her hits on me were the heart materializing before my very eyes

rustic vale
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like a few seconds

mint coral
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Dem on small rooms sucks a lot

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Specially if you have melee

strong ridge
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dem on that one tarturus room thats shaped like a C is a scam

tepid light
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oh god i'm in elysium
just walked into a room
armored flame wheels with speedy upgrade
i'm using fists

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specifically gilgamesh

mint coral
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Dash through walls time

tepid light
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i actually just felt my soul whither and die

mint coral
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Or gaps

strong ridge
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what dash do u have

rustic vale
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Nadty dash gilga 🧠

tepid light
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ok that was over quick but

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dear god that was scary

warm nimbus
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yeah well you suck

tepid light
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gottem

snow skiff
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i died to super daddy 🙁

warm nimbus
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no surprises there

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try js2 ap2

snow skiff
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my strat is to luck into a strong enough build to shred super dad

hardy spear
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how much harder is 50 heat compared to 40

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ri just makes it seem like it's more rng dependant

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and ap

latent moon
snow skiff
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40 -> 50 is harder than 0 -> 40

hardy spear
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yeah thought so

snow skiff
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the standard progression is 32 -> 40 -> 45 -> 50

latent moon
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You can still avoid nasty pacts at 40

snow skiff
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and then i think 53 after that

karmic gulch
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So ive unlocked the Aspect of Lucifer

strong ridge
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45+ is where the game goes crazu

hardy spear
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drunken strike kinda nasty btw

karmic gulch
strong ridge
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^

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u could ri shenans but tbh eris needs the rng

latent moon
hardy spear
strong ridge
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innit drunken the meta for eris ri ap

hardy spear
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i think i might still stick to drunken strike because it doesnt rely on a second boon like jolted plus aoe wasnt a problem at all for my 40 heat run

snow skiff
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If you go to 50 i think youre gonna want to install the speedrun modpack

hardy spear
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i tend to struggle more on bosses and drunken strike felt much stronger for that

strong ridge
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i mean u can get away w/o jolted for eris

latent moon
snow skiff
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rip

strong ridge
snow skiff
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youre gonna suffer like mattyboi 🤭

strong ridge
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if u not running cp i dont rly think u need jolted tbh

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obv is nice

hardy spear
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if ive bought the game on xbox do you think ill have a pc copy as well

strong ridge
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idk

hardy spear
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it works for some games i bave like hollow knigh and celeste

strong ridge
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ye maybe

hardy spear
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also ive never done modding before so we'll see hpw that goes

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i barely use my laptop because all of the boys are on console and it sounds like itll blow up whenever i launch something even remotely cpu intensive

strong ridge
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hades modding is not too hard

strong ridge
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maybe ur laptop go hard tho

hardy spear
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what are your specs like

raw herald
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50 hestia isnt too bad unmodded

strong ridge
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mid laptop

raw herald
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not hammer reliant, only really needs an attack boon

strong ridge
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i5 11 and 16gb ddr4 int graphics

hardy spear
raw herald
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well eris really wants delta lol

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delta eris is easier than hestia tho

strong ridge
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eris really wants clockets

hardy spear
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somehow ive gotten delta in all of my recent runs

strong ridge
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v nice

raw herald
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delta feels better than clockets at high heat

hardy spear
signal aspen
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What's wrong with unmodded 50 heat

hardy spear
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rng maybe?

raw herald
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eh

strong ridge
raw herald
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i should rlly beat my unmodded pb yeeks

strong ridge
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naw

raw herald
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brb

strong ridge
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f

raw herald
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ill do 52

mint coral
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Im sorry for your loss

signal aspen
hardy spear
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why are there so many more unmodded 50 heat runs than 40 on the leaderboards

raw herald
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people dont submit 40s

hardy spear
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aight

raw herald
hardy spear
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understandable

strong ridge
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40 heat is just 32 heat in a hat

signal aspen
raw herald
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yes

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the problem is me

hardy spear
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ri3 🗿

signal aspen
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Laugh at this user

raw herald
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just gonna do shackle start and pray i find a decent attack before lerno

signal aspen
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Hesty?

strong ridge
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lerno

hardy spear
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el lernio

signal aspen
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Or is this Gilgamesh

strong ridge
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might take pearpoint into lerno fight tbh

signal aspen
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Pearpoint

raw herald
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Talos

hardy spear
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not again

karmic gulch
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Hades hates Sticky Spamming squirtheh

hardy spear
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talos?

signal aspen
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Talos gud

strong ridge
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talos go hard

signal aspen
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Easily top 1 aspects for 50 heat

raw herald
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Bruh 💀

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Just got epic aphro attack in the first run

strong ridge
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talos > not talos

raw herald
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But I haven’t shown death yet

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Ugh

hardy spear
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mr worbsetl5 himself has spoken

signal aspen
mint coral
hardy spear
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i was watching hestia gameplay earlier and couldnt even really tell what was going on seems like so many inputs

mint coral
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Hestia is a rythm game

strong ridge
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is life but rhythm

snow skiff
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i have the heat wr in my local area 👍

signal aspen
hardy spear
strong ridge
snow skiff
mint coral
strong ridge
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anegl is in your skin

snow skiff
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wow i'm honored honestly

hardy spear
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i am the best hades player in my household

mint coral
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Im the best hades player in my school

rustic vale
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I’m the bestest hades player on my planet

signal aspen
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I am the best hades player

snow skiff
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idk who else plays hades at my school

strong ridge
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im the best hades player on senior sundays

hardy spear
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i am a hades player

snow skiff
rustic vale
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I hades player

strong ridge
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hades

signal aspen
rustic vale
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I’m so good at it I don’t have to play to be the bestest player

hardy spear
rustic vale
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uh

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That is no where near a checkmate

strong ridge
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game set match

hardy spear
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im close to cracking this case

strong ridge
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im in the mainframe

raw herald
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Wtf weird glitch

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I’m in a boat in asphodel

hardy spear
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how strange

raw herald
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This isn’t supposed to happen

snow skiff
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aoeui afraid of being exposed for paying hades

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playing

strong ridge
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weird glitch guys my health went below 0

snow skiff
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Weird glitch

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the small rat has so much health

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does anyone know why?

strong ridge
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eats his spinach

hardy spear
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the cp1 experience

strong ridge
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18 small rats at rat ranch

signal aspen
hardy spear
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the endless mini rat rooms in styx are awful

snow skiff
signal aspen
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hardy spear
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anything but that please i beg

signal aspen
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Guys I promise I don't play hades

high island
strong ridge
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bno

signal aspen
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Retrash did it so it must be good

raw herald
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I did it

rustic vale
lean timber
raw herald
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i got 1:52

lean timber
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560 hp lost to the timer

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what heat?

patent mesa
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oh you mean undertime?

raw herald
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Yes

raw herald
lean timber
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you had

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five hundred and sixty

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EXTRA

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hp

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on 52 heat

raw herald
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There’s another way

lean timber
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the secret...

rustic vale
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Dashy dashy

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perfection

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Arte call iframes moment

lean timber
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did you just dash around and camp the timer lol

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absolutely mad

rustic vale
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dash dash iframes lets go

lean timber
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but you can't stave off the timer without being at 1hp w/ athena dash, right?

latent moon
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You can iframe the 5 hp ticks lol

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Only at 1 hp I think

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Or whatever hp will kill you at that point so 1-5

tepid light
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Are any of you guys so used to having divine dash on your builds that you throw yourself at projectiles only to eat a load of damage because you don't have it on that run

rustic vale
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No

latent moon
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I've stopped forcing ddash lmao

rustic vale
latent moon
patent mesa
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someone with

rustic vale
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Around 10 40 heat runs

warm nimbus
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under my belt

tepid light
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i think that

warm nimbus
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you messed it up

tepid light
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because clearly

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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you messed it up

warm nimbus
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yeah

lean timber
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because clearly

rustic vale
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I will literally always

warm nimbus
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take divine dash

rustic vale
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Over pretty much everything else

warm nimbus
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unless the build

rustic vale
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really requires a specific dash

warm nimbus
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to create a broken interaction

rustic vale
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Divine dash is good with every build

warm nimbus
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ok i dont feel like doing this anymore

lean timber
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lmao

rustic vale
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I may or may not just have the whole thing copy pasted and am just taking the next few words every time I don't know this by memory

warm nimbus
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bruh

lean timber
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Enough.
Drop the topic of Aphrodite and move on.

rustic vale
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passion dash >>>> ddash

latent moon
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Shackle dash better

lean timber
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100% more iframes

rustic vale
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+100% more vroom

latent moon
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Double the damage double the better

lean timber
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S P E E D

patent mesa
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Enough.
Drop the topic of Aphrodite and move on.

lean timber
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Enough.
Drop the topic of Aphrodite and move on.

warm nimbus
lean timber
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i came just in time to see that i was cracking up fr

tepid light
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heroic rush delivery

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i love it

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with epic greater haste

latent moon
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haste delivery gaming

tepid light
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FINALLY

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cleared with sword

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even with nemesis, sword feels so awful

short glen
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Nemesis is not the best sword

latent moon
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best sword is no sword

strong ridge
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1% goldy boon

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uu

lean timber
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nemesis -> arthur -> zag -> posideon

rustic vale
lean timber
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i tried to be realistic for once

tepid light
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tfw you go into styx with no chill boons whatsoever and end up constantly chilling dad up to 10 stacks

stone ermine
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does hades have steam workshop

tepid light
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Nope

high island
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Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion if you're interested in modding the game.

stone ermine
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im interested in using mods not making them

prisma wind
high island
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Right. m saying over in the Modding discord, they can help point you to mods and help with installation etc. Can also request a mod if it doesn't exist yet.

faint flint
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is there steam workshop for mods or is it manual?

void vigil
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its manual

grand jetty
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Hello guys - can someone tell me, how long does it take o unlock hidden aspects? I am 30h in, talked with achilles all the time and I only have spear aspect unlocked after all this time shadegrief

short glen
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You need to talk to various other NPCs to get the others

grand jetty
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I know that - the point is I am talking to them all the time and it is not unlocking at all

patent mesa
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I def had all six by 30h in if not earlier

silver nimbus
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am i allowed to ask questions about the speedrun mod pack

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i just want to know where i can find what each mod does

swift inlet
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I haven't extensively tried every aspect, so a lot of my impressions are from other's runs/what I've heard, but as far as all-around performance goes

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Does this look more or less accurate 🤔

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Actually I should probably move hestia since that goes zoom too

patent mesa
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yeah that's about right

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hesty for sure top that thing is broken

high island
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Zeus too low.

patent mesa
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and the last thing is pos sword is one of the bottom tiers

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easily arthur tier

swift inlet
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Worse than zag sword moment

silver nimbus
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i'll be asking more questions

swift inlet
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Does zeus have a bunch of high tier speedrun performances-

patent mesa
swift inlet
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I mostly just see eris/beo with a bunch of rama/hera and some sprinklings of the other high tiers

silver nimbus
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okay then what about doorvisualindicators (i know what it does but what are the visuals that it will add)

patent mesa
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is that for fountain chambers?

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or maybe minibosses idk

swift inlet
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Merciful end arthur wr when

silver nimbus
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what does the emotemod do

patent mesa
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lol no clue

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don't the mods have a file you can read

silver nimbus
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i could try decrypting them actually if it's well commented

patent mesa
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yeah try looking at them

high island
patent mesa
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another mod was basic enough that I knowing nothing about lua could easily modify it to extend its functionality

#

so you could do the same

swift inlet
#

No, just a sort-of-overall impressions type list. I know zeus is crazy for heat but haven't really seen it too much in speedruns

patent mesa
#

it's not the best speedrunning aspect yeah

swift inlet
#

And hera's goated for speedruns but falls off hard the second it doesn't oneshot

#

So I figured those are overall less of a "whole package" than something like beo/eris/rama/hestia

patent mesa
#

I'd say that's fair

swift inlet
#

What's the last heat for 64 though-

patent mesa
#

hell mode's personal liability

silver nimbus
swift inlet
#

Ah right

high island
#

Just doesn't seem right to have the aspect that has all the top 4 placements in unmodded high heat not at the top of the tier list.

patent mesa
#

it's clearly more categorical with the second to top being aspects suited for either heat or speedrunning

patent mesa
#

aka miniboss chamber entrance will show which miniboss it is

#

this is disabled by default and not legal for leaderboard I believe

#

as for emotemod I have no clue

celest shell
#

Is Excaliber bad? I have a lot of fun with it

swift inlet
#

It's very fun if you're in the mood for it

#

But once enemies hit harder/faster and zoom around it just kind of flops over

celest shell
#

Gotcha.

patent mesa
swift inlet
#

Simple solution

#

Buff arthur to do triple the damage 🧠

#

Make it hit breakpoints in one swing

acoustic bolt
#

Ok so FO2 Styx is a lot harder.

patent mesa
#

ultimately it just looks like something that allows zag to emote?

silver nimbus
#

i mean that's what i would imagine

#

it's just sad how cryptic this mod pack is because it seems interesting

patent mesa
#

ah looks like it's still disabled in 1.2.0

#

was disabled sometime after 1.0

#

that's why there's no mention of it, basically no one's ever used it in a functional state I guess

#

weird

celest shell
high island
#

You're best off asking in the Hades Modding discord if you need help with any mods. There's a link to it pinned in #self-promotion.

karmic gulch
#

Quick question, which weapon is considered the Best?

#

And/with Aspects

swift inlet
#

Depends on a lot of things

#

But early game you can use basically whatever, you just have to learn the game

swift inlet
#

The thing is that on top of every weapon and aspect being good at certain things, there's also a learning curve for each

#

Eris is super easy to learn even if it has a high skill ceiling, but Hestia is a way of life that requires you to have a 700 IQ

#

Shields are generally ez but beowulf takes some learning and so does zeus

#

Etc

rich gulch
#

I will never spin a spear in my life ever again.

swift inlet
#

Spear spin bad

#

That is the correct decision

silver nimbus
#

how to backup my saves

#

there are so many files here

high island
#

Beowulf is the easiest shield to play if you just want quick results.

karmic gulch
#

Is aspect of Guan Yu any good?

austere loom
#

not really. It has a good special

lean timber
#

it's good for mid heats

#

pushing it any further is probably not great tho

rain relic
#

otherwise, it's very risk/reward

lean timber
rain relic
#

i should point though that i am very biased in Guan Yu's favour because it's my 3rd favourite aspect in the entire game

#

so take whatever i say about it with a grain of salt

deft canyon
#

In the blood is my Favorite Hades song now

#

The soundtrack is just amazing

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Aside from beowulf

rustic vale
rich gulch
#

Time to take on 50 heat with a cursed slash build

rustic vale
snow skiff
#

Very solid damage

#

Kill them before they kill you type beat

lean timber
#

don't care + ratio + didn't ask + ok and + ratio again + cskewer is completely rng on unmodded and is make or break for a run making it pointless to rely on and inconsistent to the max at high heat + final ratio + L

rustic vale
lean timber
#

ratio

raw herald
#

Skillet shoe

rich gulch
#

Skill is optional, no?

raw herald
#

Maybe

lean timber
#

literally

rich gulch
#

*If only real life worked the same way...*for people with bad RNG at the start of life anyhow.

rustic vale
#

🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

rich gulch
#

Speedrunners at birth be like: doctor, could I borrow a bottle of ammonia? Don't worry, I'm just going to reset my build.

warm nimbus
# karmic gulch Is aspect of Guan Yu any good?

its ok, but it becomes really good with cskewer. the spin isnt worth using a lot of the time because you tend to just get hit when charging it. if you dont see cskewer, quick spin makes the spin good as you can get spins off in combat way easier

pastel monolith
#

im awful with guan yu

#

but yea with charged skewer its ok

#

i just ignore the other aspects of it and just live with low health

high island
#

The spin is perfectly fine if you're not doing FO2.

#

And you don't need to use FO2 until well past 32 Heat.

#

The vast majority of players never go past 32.

pastel monolith
#

the spin just makes me get hit more but occasionally i use it for spawning enemies or maybe lernie

high island
#

Tempest Strike, Frost Strike, and Divine Strike are all very easy spin builds.

snow skiff
#

SUPER SOAKER GY!!!

high island
#

Tempest Strike will never let anything get close to you because the knockback is so good. Frost Strike stacks Chill very fast to make enemies even slower than they already are at FO0. Divine Strike just lets you hide inside the spin that deflects virtually anything that's deflectable while providing heals.

raw herald
#

Tempest strike is OP because the extremely low % will make you have to play the game for longer, and since the game is good, it’s Op

high island
#

The damage gets pretty good with wall slams and t2 boons.

spare tiger
#

I wonder if there's plans to get Hades back on Gamepass

mental vale
rustic vale
#

Reload cancels much dash much special

mental vale
#

what in gods name is a reload cancel

rich gulch
#

Some sort of nerd jargon perhaps?

mental vale
#

my reaction to that information:

raw herald
#

Reload then dash

#

To cancel the reload animation

rustic vale
#

actions that end reload animation early but still counts as full reload

mental vale
#

wait thats nuts

#

are there any other tech i should know about

short glen
#

Planes are pretty neat tech

lean timber
#

zag desync so you can wobble hades

#

pretty technically demanding but doable

#

the wobble is unfortunately banned for speedruns

high island
# mental vale are there any other tech i should know about

To be clear, the cancel only allows you to move, you still need to wait for the reload gauge to go up before you can attack again. Any action can cancel the reload animation. You can also reload during any other action to skip the animation. E.g., you don't need to press reload and then dash. You can also just press reload during the dash to skip the animation. Or you can press both at the same time.

To keep up an optimal DPS rotation, you'd want to use your Special whenever possible between attacks and use attacks whenever your Special is on cooldown. Since you can use Special + Reload at the same time, that lets you use your Special every other reload. (You don't need to keep count, though, you can just press Special + Reload every time you reload and the Special will come out every other time.)

That aside, the two most common Hestia mistakes I see are:

(1) Pressing Attack too early after a reload. The game doesn't allow you to buffer the attack. Usually for inputs like that in games, the game will allow you to input your next action (Attack in this case) a little early and keep the input buffered so that it automatically comes out at the right time. That's not the case for Attacks after Reload. If you press even one frame early, your Attack won't come out and you'll just hear that empty click sound. Typically you already pressed Reload again to reload after your next Attack, but that Attack didn't come out. So you just end up reloading twice without getting an Attack. And since your rhythm is off now, it's very common to see players reload multiple times without getting a shot off because they input their Attacks too early. That hurts your DPS a lot. So... it's more prudent to Attack just a tiny bit later to prevent that from happening.

(2) Waiting way too long after an Attack to press Reload. Often people wait until the bullet hits the target. You can actually press reload immediately after pressing Attack, which gives you a much faster DPS rotation.

latent moon
high island
#

Also, if you're already running when you press Reload, you can keep moving just fine. If you stand still when you press Reload, you're stuck in that animation until it ends or you cancel it.

mental vale
#

oh

#

yeah normally im barely aware of the reload animation lol

tepid light
#

aphro cast, chaos boon for +72% cast damage, and ravenous will on hera

#

i love it when runs start so good

#

and oh god i love the duo dialogues so much

#

artemis and aphrodite's is so good

brisk trail
#

Hades got removed from the Xbox GamePass

#

Now I can't play it anymore

#

great

patent mesa
#

like bruh

brisk trail
#

time to save money ig

tepid light
patent mesa
#

oh yeah probably the one when you pick up an aphro boon I'm guessing

#

forgot how it went, the only duo I really remember is the arty boon heart rend one where arty hits on you

tepid light
#

when i first got their duo boon, it was from an artemis boon, and it's just artemis trying to get away from aphrodite and failing

#

and the one i just got was from an aphro boon, and she's just like "i've brought you keen-eyed artemis, who is too focused on the hunt to learn the proper social graces to approach you directly!"

#

and artemis is just like "oh come on just leave me be"

patent mesa
#

lol she's a great character

brisk trail
#

I am in pain

tepid light
#

artemis literally said "oh gods, it's her"

#

in the first duo dialogue

tepid light
#

calisthenics em4 dad dead

#

only a single dd used

#

aphrodite cast hera too stronk

#

AND NOW NYX AND ARES ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER

#

DEAR GOD I LOVE THE WRITING IN THIS GAME

swift inlet
#

Sobbing

#

Got some really good beo rng but no charged shot in sight

tepid light
#

not like you need charged shot to wreck stuff with beo

#

as great as it is to have it

swift inlet
#

I'm trying to get a speedrun going 😔

signal aspen
#

yeah but you cant sub6 anymore

signal aspen
swift inlet
#

Best run is uh

#

9:51

#

Trying to break 9

signal aspen
#

you dont really need charged shot for that

patent mesa
#

what's fastest non cshot beo

devout terrace
#

Not sub 6

signal aspen
#

yeah low 6 probably

devout terrace
#

I wanna say 6:17 by tounis

#

Old trippy flare run

swift inlet
#

Side note

#

Does eurydice boost exclusive access to heroic

devout terrace
#

no

swift inlet
#

Or is it like yarn where it does literally nothing

#

Damn

#

So I should just ambrosia/pom

devout terrace
#

eury doesnt affect duos

signal aspen
#

it makes every boon you have heroic

patent mesa
#

I think ambrosia/yarn is a bit misleading, they don't just bump all boons up a rarity

#

they act more like chaos favor I believe

#

but also guarantee rare at minimum

tepid light
#

finally pulled off a revenge build by pure chance

#

this is pretty fun actually

#

since i'm always dashing in with achilles, it's very easy to catch up to enemies and keep revenging them

swift inlet
#

No wells in elysium at all

#

Pain

red coral
#

Wells of charon or healing springs?

patent mesa
#

well rng unironically sucks

#

wish it didn't fluctuate so heavily

signal aspen
#

wells of charon overrated

#

50% cast damage on a cast build not gud

tepid light
#

ok that was fun

#

revenge build is hilarious once you get the pieces in place

rustic vale
#

I just realised zag does same damage as beo on normal strikes lmao

high island
#

Yeah, Zag Shield is great.

tepid light
#

Alright, it's time for the privilege I get only once every 3 heat levels

#

Time for Arthur

high island
#

Only once every 3 Heat levels? What kind of challenge are you doing?

tepid light
#

So logically, I would only get a certain aspect once every 3 heat levels or so

high island
#

Gotcha.

#

The variety of weapon aspects is pretty fun.

tepid light
#

Indeed

#

Even with aspects that are considered 'bad,' I still have fun with them

#

And there's no point in having a lot of variety in a game if you don't play around with that variety

high island
#

Well, strong and fun aren't the same thing anyway.

#

Too strong can be incredibly boring even.

tepid light
#

That's precisely the reason why I don't miss Beowulf all that much

#

If I used it constantly, I would get very bored very quick

#

But using it only once in a while lets me keep having fun with it

rustic vale
#

Idk I use spreadfire zag rail a lot I just find it really fun never really mess with the other rails aside from luci or hestia every once in a while

high island
#

I've had plenty of fun Gilgamesh runs. I still think that yet another "slow but big attacks" hidden aspect was a bit uninspired, that yet another "hidden aspect of a guy" was a bit dropping the ball on that, that its gimmicks are a bit all over the place with no great synergy, and that it's easily one of the very weakest aspects with a penalty that isn't justified... but I've had fun runs with it.

tepid light
#

Same, yeah

#

Gilgamesh has a lot of weaknesses and I'd never argue that it's a great aspect

#

But it's definitely enjoyable to just go hog wild and claw things to death with your bare hands

rustic vale
#

Gilgamesh bestest fists aspect after talos

high island
#

At release, it wasn't fun for me because there were too many drawbacks. Like for example, the Dash-Strike buffer window was too short to get the Dash-Attack > Dash-Upper combo in a single dash like you could do with the other Malphon aspects.

#

Well, that was definitely my #1 complaint, but thankfully they listened and patched that.

tepid light
#

epic swift strike on arthur

#

oh boy

rustic vale
#

No
🔫

quaint wind
#

@brisk trail perhaps lets not

high island
#

Malphon is great.

#

Can't even pull in enemies with Exagryph smh.

#

The slower you kill them, the longer you can watch them suffer.

#

Alecto would approve.

strong ridge
#

but its higher

high island
#

It's not a worse time if you're having a good time. dusa

#

Well, it's a worse time for your enemies if they suffer for longer.

strong ridge
#

no

rustic vale
#

Spreadfire literally better heavy knuckle

strong ridge
#

but you forgot about long knuckle

rustic vale
#

Fists are a ranged weapon and zag rail is a melee weapon

hardy spear
#

45 heat pummelled me

#

dont know if it was just the awful rng

#

shouldve just gotten the boons

tepid light
#

died to dad with arthur

#

that doesn't happen often

sudden peak
#

I got the dusa plush

sudden peak
#

for some reason, I can't share the pic of it

cinder haven
#

hello, downloaded hades like 2ish weeks ago and hooked and heard this was disc

old belfry
safe tinsel
#

Nice game huh

cinder haven
safe tinsel
#

Yeeyeyey

high island
sudden peak
#

thx for letting me know

high island
#

I guess enabling file uploads creates security risks they'd rather prevent than have to deal with.

tepid light
#

arthur + high tolerance + bronze skin

#

this is entertaining

safe tinsel
#

Ok so my brain dis a neuron activation and realises that if I get a dio boon in tartarus and its that one where fountains are bonus attack, I can get like 20% attack bonus by the time I reach styx

short glen
#

Or more!

safe tinsel
#

And it's full recovery so that's a plus

#

Yeah like I got epic and got 25% bonus

#

The neurons were firing hard

short glen
#

You can get bonus fountains if you're lucky

safe tinsel
#

Yeah I got one fountain the room b4 the dio boon

rain relic
#

Chill and Hangover go so frigging well together

#

pair the two with the reforge that makes your special charge faster and you basically win against every regular enemy in the game

rustic vale
rustic vale
tepid light
#

THERE we go

#

dad beaten with arthur

#

question, what are peoples' stances on privileged status vs family favorite

#

they seem reasonably interchangeable depending on your build/luck

latent moon
#

Family favorites like 99% of the time

#

PS doesn't really occur naturally in many good builds

#

Obv you can force it with certain gods and have it proc but there's gonna be other builds that still deal more damage

tepid light
#

I feel like it's not too hard to get privileged status via things like aphrodite or demeter

#

But yeah, I had a similar thought

#

Considering swapping over to family favorite

latent moon
#

Also FF gives you a bonus as soon as you get your first boon

tepid light
#

What's the bonus damage per god at max rank

mint coral
#

5%

#

25% vs 40% from PS

#

If you wanna be funny FF can beat PS tho

latent moon
#

Or it's extremely awkward

tepid light
latent moon
#

Yes

mint coral
#

Hermes counts

#

4 god pool + him

tepid light
#

Ah, gotcha

signal aspen
#

just get every god

latent moon
#

Could theoretically get like 8 or 9 gods to be funny tho lmao

tepid light
#

I guess that even if you don't have a full 5 gods, a 20% universal damage bonus is nothing to scoff at

latent moon
#

PS is only good in builds that don't make it awkward to use like Chiron and Rama

signal aspen
#

beo too

#

for like high heat

#

with pash flare snow burst

latent moon
#

Oh yeah that too

#

Can't really think of many others except fists with Dio atk Aphrodite special

#

And I guess Aphrodite dash too

rustic vale
rich gulch
#

I wonder if anyone has attempted a power shot Rama build. The base damage is pretty chonky if slow.

signal aspen
#

thats literally how you are supposed to build rama

rustic vale
rich gulch
#

I've never once used this bow without a special centric build, the Zeus/Ares Deluxe as I call it.

signal aspen
#

rama is pretty fun once you get some practice in

rustic vale
#

Vengeful mood is not an aspect specific build lmao

rich gulch
#

Yeah, but lots of arrows go

rustic vale
#

oh wait you said special centric

#

I got confused because you said zeus/ares

#

Assume you meant the duo and were calling it a special build

rustic vale
high island
#

Otherwise definitely take Family Favorite.

rustic vale
#

Proking ME with holy shield and curse of vengeance 🧠🧠🧠🧠

high island
#

My condolences. dusa

rustic vale
high island
#

What if they didn't intend for it to be used at all. dusa

rustic vale
#

Hmm

#

Then they wouldn’t’ve given curse of vengeance such good doom damage

high island
#

No, that's for Curse of Longing.

signal aspen
#

🗿

rustic vale
#

Trying to think of a funny build that I haven’t used yet

#

Hmm

high island
#

Have you done Tempest Strike Guan Yu?

rustic vale
#

yes

#

Super soaker guan-yu was a blast

#

Had quick spin and massive spin

high island
#

Blizzard Shot Talos?

rustic vale
#

blizzard shot talos no

#

I almost never used talos for it’s extra cast damage ngl

high island
#

Pulling enemies back into your Blizzard Shots is fun.

#

Zeus Shield + Cold Embrace + Aphrodite's Aid + Unhealthy Fixation?

#
  • Fidi of course.
rustic vale
#

I’m going to try the talos build later

high island
rustic vale
#

I wonder if mirage shot+blizzard shot+arctic blast = big damage

#

probably

acoustic bolt
#

what happens when i triple shot hera?

#

does it all just go to the middle one?

signal aspen
#

ye

acoustic bolt
#

kk

high island
rustic vale
#

It doesn’t? wow

#

bad memory then

snow skiff
#

spesh with the op ss dmg

short glen
#

I gotta look into setting up this "modded" thing

#

Oh yeah there's a server for this

stone ermine
#

altho iirc hades isn't entirely melee

latent moon
#

All aspects are melee if you unga bunga enough

snow skiff
#

highkey bow is the only non melee weapon

stone ermine
#

was the previous hades sale around june/july

latent moon
snow skiff
latent moon
#

true

#

charged volley gaming

rustic vale
#

sword, spear, shield, shotgun, fists, shotgun

latent moon
#

my favorite weapon: the shotgun

#

don't ask which shotgun

snow skiff
#

Eris rail doesn't even need to shotgun to be a melee weapon

boreal raven
earnest wave
#

So i just finished my first escape yesterday and was introduced to Heat. I did a 51 Heat run for my first heat run, is that normal? I almost made it to the 1st boss, didn't seem as bad as it seemed except for that time limit

boreal raven
#

uh probably not normal

#

what did you use to get to 51 heat?

#

as in, aspect & what did you put on your pact

lean timber
#

everyone one-ups me 💔

#

i just want to be quirky...

latent moon
#

generally, if you're doing 50 (or 51 heat for this matter) you probably have at least 100 clears under your belt

#

there's a heat guide somewhere from Hat that does a pretty good job at introducing heat up until 32, which is a rough benchmark for "high heat"

latent moon
lean timber
#

kills you

latent moon
#

dw 40 was pain enough i dont want to even think about 50 rama

lean timber
#

you're telling me...

latent moon
#

i'm telling you i wont do rama 50 lmao

lean timber
#

it's bouldy

#

it's an expression

#

as in "i know it's hard" lol

latent moon
#

ik but i couldn't tell where that expression was going lol

#

i feel like rama takes too much time to learn to actually be good with it

earnest wave
#

I maxed out everything just to see what would happen

#

As soon as i unlocked heat

latent moon
#

generally, death

earnest wave
#

Yep

#

That time limit seemed to be the hardest part

lean timber
#

i've done 63 heat which was fun

earnest wave
#

That is what killed me

#

But i had 3 health on my last defiance when it did run out

#

I don't know much about the game lile loadouts and such but i just hack my way through generally

#

I know there are sections here that tell me that but i just like plowing through

rustic vale
#

Should probably learn how to play before throwing yourself into the deepest end

earnest wave
#

Yea haha

#

I just did it for the lulz

rustic vale
#

For the first 20 heat on each weapon you can really just go up 1 heat at a time

latent moon
#

generally

earnest wave
#

So do a 1 heat run, then a 2 heat run, etc?

latent moon
#

yeah

rustic vale
#

Yeah

earnest wave
#

Per weapon, cool

latent moon
#

that makes the most of your bounties

earnest wave
#

I used the sword until i unlocked the spear then ive only used the spear

rustic vale
#

And game experience to go higher

latent moon
#

if you clear 3 heat but haven't gotten the bounties for 1 heat, you get the rewards for 1 heat. if you do 3 heat again, you get the bounties for 2 heat and so on

earnest wave
#

I really havent delved into much of the games systems

#

Ive been trying to level keepsakes i dont have them all

#

And powering up the mirror

#

Thats really all ive cared about

rustic vale
rustic vale
earnest wave
#

I like the invincibility one

latent moon
#

acorn?

earnest wave
#

I cant remember

rustic vale
#

Speerpoint

earnest wave
#

The broken spear point

#

Yea

snow skiff
latent moon
#

based

#

i'd rather not tho

rustic vale
#

make sure you’re buying the work orders that affect the runs

earnest wave
#

Well where im at

snow skiff
#

The time limit is nothing intrinsically

#

Its how the other pacts interact with it that makes it awful

#

Like calisthenics program and jury summons

rustic vale
#

CP2 zagluv

snow skiff
#

I always underestimate how garbage roiling is until i take it and then time out in tart

latent moon
# snow skiff Meh

considering they jumped from 0 to 51, TD being the issue isn't a bad start lmfao

snow skiff
#

Wait they said they maxed it out?

#

Uh

#

64 - 1 - 8 - 4

#

Oh i see

latent moon
#

ri, em4, what's the 1?

#

oh hell mode

#

makes sense

earnest wave
#

Yea i picked every option until it didnt let me anymore

#

Right when the pact was unlocked

#

But yea i know thats unreasonable i didnt last long i was just curious

#

It was smart giving you the difficulty raising stuff one at a time in their other games

snow skiff
#

Em3 Ri0

#

Wouldn't be the worst pact I've seen

latent moon
#

i mean depending on the aspect it might not be that bad lol

spare tartan
#

I just got 24.47 with the bow

#

A new pb

rustic vale
#

you can do it

spare tartan
#

Alright

#

Its a little too easy

#

Ill crank it up to 64 hear

#

Heat

latent moon
#

0:00 is easy

#

just uninstall

tepid light
#

Just pause and give up as soon as the run starts

latent moon
#

give up any%

deft canyon
#

I had 17:30 idk myself how i did it but yeah.

#

Was extremely lucky with the Satyr sack

latent moon
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i've tried 40 heat shackle/boonless beo 6 times, and at this rate it's gonna take me longer than 50 heat beo bouldy

umbral parrot
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is hades not free on game pass anymore?