i love chaos
#h1-discussion
lean timber
hardy spear
chaos is like hmm yes, a most humourous event would it be that the lord of the underworld be bested by a vessel possessing my harmless trinket, highly amusing
high island
If that was a thing, though, the run just simply wouldn't be legal on speedrun or high heat leaderboards. Same that way doing a run for your 10th clear (where you get to skip the Hades fight) isn't leaderboard legal.
dusky solar
also best part about chaos shield they laugh when you kill people
lean timber
"destruction."
mint coral
Chaos is great
rustic vale
Hs issssss
dusky solar
i love hearing that, it makes me feel happier and leads to me feeling better and therefore playing better
lean timber
5x trap damage
dusky solar
heightened security makes you get oneshot in the hades fight
lean timber
sure does
mint coral
150 pots go brrrr
high island
Only if your HP is pretty low going in tbh.
rustic vale
I’m really just trying to die till I find hoarding slash so I can confirm what it does
lean timber
that's why you need athena. resist trap damage go brrr as well
high island
But yeah, the fight is definitely a lot more tense with HS on.
hardy spear
i love epic sure footing
dusky solar
I’m really just trying to die till I find hoarding slash so I can confirm what i...
it adds 5% of your obol as FLAT damage to your attack
latent moon
Resist trap damage but resetting SD takes longer lmao
hardy spear
3 damage pots
lean timber
lmao oh no so sad i can't die as fast!
rustic vale
it adds 5% of your obol as FLAT damage to your attack
See I’m trying to confirm that
dusky solar
if it doesnt do flat and its actually base im gonna kill whoever told me its flat
hardy spear
when is the narrator boss fight coming out
rustic vale
Its def not base damage
mint coral
Its def not base damage
Thats charon fight
hardy spear
if it doesnt do flat and its actually base im gonna kill whoever told me its fla...
the game is buggy as times cough cough beo cough
lean timber
it's additive. it is not base damage
mint coral
Wrong reply
mint coral
when is the narrator boss fight coming out
This
latent moon
See I’m trying to confirm that
It's def flat damage, I think you're figuring it out whether or not it's added before or after crits
lean timber
charon as the narrator is a take i'm not ready to accept
rustic vale
It's def flat damage, I think you're figuring it out whether or not it's added b...
Yeah
hardy spear
i like to think that the narrator is responsible for zag's death after you complete the main story
mint coral
charon as the narrator is a take i'm not ready to accept
Voiced by the same person 
high island
charon as the narrator is a take i'm not ready to accept
Well, it's literally the same voice.
lean timber
Well, it's literally the same voice.
well hush i know that but in a literal sense it would be insanely funny
high island
well hush i know that but in a literal sense it would be insanely funny
Did you say you want to hear Charon sing?
Oh well, in that case...
lean timber
sing, of zagreus oh muse...
i'm not listening to that unless i hear charon himself going "AUUUUGGGHH" on the beat tbh
i used to get charon and chiron mixed up back in my percy jackson days
aspect of charon bow 
hardy spear
aspect of charon : your special takes the targeted enemy away by ferry
high island
i'm not listening to that unless i hear charon himself going "AUUUUGGGHH" on the...
It's a song about Zag playing with the Adamant Rail.
high island
aspect of charon : your special takes the targeted enemy away by ferry
Where to? The Underworld? 
lean timber
aspect of charon: normal special, but each hit gives you two (2) obol
high island
aspect of charon: normal special, but each hit gives you two (2) obol
lmao
There was a boon.
lean timber
(to spend at charon's shop of course)
high island
Crits give you obols.
lean timber
There was a boon.
no way
hardy spear
Where to? The Underworld? <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
even worse, the surface
hardy spear
the midas boon
lean timber
that's insanity
mint coral
That sounds fun
rustic vale
artemis stocks jump to infinity
From infinity to infinity
lean timber
silence, simp
mint coral
Infinity^2
hardy spear
infinity 2 (the sequels)
rustic vale
Infinity^infinity
lean timber
infinity 2: the infiniting
high island
It was really bad that's why it's gone now lol.
hardy spear
i wish there were more silly boons
lean timber
silly boons? you mean dionysus t1s?
high island
There was a boon from Master Chaos that increased trap damage to enemies.
lean timber
doesn't that exist still in some form?
rustic vale
I wish more hammers were compatible with each othet
high island
Shackle used to increase trap damage to enemies instead of what it does now.
hardy spear
doesn't that exist still in some form?
the stygian something in the well
hardy spear
ah yeah
rustic vale
Spread fire flurry fire 
spread fire delta chamber flurry fire delta chamber
hardy spear
sounds like it would sound amazing
lean timber
amazing
hardy spear
why the devs gotta ruin all the fun and "balance" the game
rustic vale
Flurry slash world splitter
rustic vale
I think there are more things to be working
hardy spear
oh no
imagine if there was a hammer on exagryph that made your bullets seek even though theres aim assist lol
hardy spear
unfathomable
rustic vale
Flying kick kinetic launcher
austere loom
you know what would be crazy?
hardy spear
and you know what, slap on a 10% damage boost as pity
austere loom
if the final boss can be switched to an Olympian God
only one life but has other gimmicks
hardy spear
dionysus just starts preparing a party for you
rustic vale
Flurry explosive shot on bow 
austere loom
Flurry explosive shot on bow <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
is that combination possible?
rustic vale
No
hardy spear
twin triple flurry shot
rustic vale
Nothing I’ve said it possible so far
mint coral
Hazard clockets
rustic vale
hazard rocket
austere loom
dionysus just starts preparing a party for you
Artemis would be the annoying long range puzzle boss
hardy spear
Hazard clockets
yknow what would be even more ridiculous? if you could get hazard bomb on eris
imagine that
inconceivable
austere loom
yknow what would be even more ridiculous? if you could get hazard bomb on eris
I'm pretty sure you can
but it's not like Hazard bomb deals full damage
hardy spear
im joking
mint coral
Hazard + delta eris is peak combo
rustic vale
Ricochet spread fire
austere loom
delta Hestia
rustic vale
but it's not like Hazard bomb deals full damage
It does 1% of the damage to you
hardy spear
would be cool if hammers were more like trade offs rather than just straight buff most of the time
austere loom
would be cool if hammers were more like trade offs rather than just straight buf...
aren't some hammers really detrimental though?
like cursed slash
or explosive shot
rustic vale
Wait explosive fire works with spread fire
hardy spear
some not all
rustic vale
lmao
hardy spear
budget clockets
austere loom
I wish that there are some more aspect-exclusive hammers
hardy spear
well
rustic vale
I wish that there are some more aspect-exclusive hammers
Aside from hidden aspect exclusive
hardy spear
ah
rustic vale
Hazard bomb luci if only
austere loom
like maybe a version of Spread fire that makes the reload shot from Hestia shoot bigger
hardy spear
yeah thatd be cool
austere loom
like a crazy sawed off shotgun
lean timber
like maybe a version of Spread fire that makes the reload shot from Hestia shoot...
spread fire kamehameha
rustic vale
hazard rockets on luci if only
austere loom
artemis on Luci special is so funny
damage aside
it being green just makes it look like a nuke
hardy spear
when is the nuke hammer coming out
rustic vale
hazard bomb
austere loom
I got the triple bomb on Luci when I used it
hardy spear
hazard bomb
thats not going to cause a nuclear winter tho
austere loom
also isn't the pulse hammer like really good?
rustic vale
no?
austere loom
it dealt a huge amount of damage
rustic vale
Greater inferno bad it only applies to pulses
austere loom
but it might just be the chaos boons
hardy spear
i used it and kinda hated it recently
hardy spear
dont even have to buff the damage against enemies just let us die
austere loom
"You should have seen the other guy"
snow skiff
hazard bomb on Luci
Hazard bomb Lucy except the pulses also damage you
winter harbor
I finally defeated the hydra on my fresh file but I still haven’t gotten past elysium there
Fists are my strongest weapon
rustic vale
What does mm do to asterius fight?
mint coral
Nothing
high island
Solo Asterius is only changed by EM3.
stray echo
Hades
lean timber
Nothing
i think the chamber should start with four skullomats 😄
that would be balanced i think
lean timber
erm... so take it
latent moon
You can't purge it
And it's useless isn't it because lc4
It gives you more healing but doesn't increase the amount of hp given by hearts like Aphrodite
lean timber
well if she wants you to have it it's not very nice to refuse it 😦
latent moon
Well maybe she should give better fodder smh
strong ridge
your soul requires nourishment
lean timber
dem's goodies are pretty much only t2, except snow burst and rare crop
latent moon
Can you sell rare crop?
latent moon
Damn less fodder
rustic vale
I’m pretty sure you cannot
latent moon
I mean if you already have an epic and it hits your epic and I have to sell something I'd be happy to sell rare crop and stick with epic
snow skiff
why is mistral dash so terrible at proccing lucy bombs
latent moon
Not having fodder for UC sucks when you forget about it
strong ridge
just rembr
latent moon
Maybe
snow skiff
hot damn flash fire is kind of insane
spice hare
at this point i can fight hades without taking any damage and im so proud of myself
used to suck at fighting hydra
high island
at this point i can fight hades without taking any damage and im so proud of mys...
Nice! Keep it up!
spice hare
thank uu
latent moon
hera or beo
tepid light
hera
latent moon
festive
lean timber
i do not think i can do em4 at 50 heat with rama. i can't get hits off well enough to beat it. the timer and survival become a real threat. i think i need to take it off... which means either js punishment or ri...
formal sinew
lean timber
theoretically it should be pretty good i just have a skill issue
rama is a very heat pushing weapon i simply fail to use it correctly
as is typical
nyaa can confirm
slim grail
Any news the Dev on Hades working on something else? 😦
high island
Any news the Dev on Hades working on something else? 😦
Check the most recent pin here.
slim grail
Check the most recent pin here.
Oh ok so they gave up on the dlc. But no new games? 😮
high island
They're definitely working on something, they just haven't announced anything yet.
lean timber
rama is a very heat pushing weapon i simply fail to use it correctly
rate this statement nyaa
"i had expected you would perish soon; i knew not exactly how."
thanks chaos
always got my back
latent moon
I think part of the issue is that you cant enable hell mode because switch
latent moon
Mod
lean timber
oh.
latent moon
Mod allows that which makes it a lot easier
lean timber
well yeah i'm not doing that even if i wanted to lol
latent moon
You don't have hell mode on do you
lean timber
no.
sadly
this is my only maxed file, made it from scratch. my first file and of course why would i start in hell mode
latent moon
Yeah that one extra heat from personal liability would be extremely helpful, can take off some js
lean timber
i know
sigh
let's check my pact. if i could take off onnnnne heat, i would take off...
latent moon
I'm looking at amb 50 rama and she did the standard 50 pact with ap2 dc1
You can copy hers and do dc2 instead of PL but I feel like you've already done that
Also not being able to guarantee a hammer just sucks
Unmodded 50 is just pain
lean timber
i'm not checking hers out of envy
i'm still reviewing
right now i'm running ri1 to take heat off js/cp... i think if i had another heat, i would turn ri off in exchange for 1 more js
latent moon
Be super cursed and turn off TD lmao
lean timber
i've thought about it. or at least, knocking it down one. if i knocked down to td2, i don't see how i'd have issues honestly. the timer continues to plague me. that is, if i can even get to styx...
still inconsistent with how far i go. i do either die in tart or styx generally and i appreciate that
but i have further to go
latent moon
I mean momentum of a good build probably let's you get to Styx so that's good
lean timber
i suppose i should say greece. haven't died in styx yet
dad has killed me a few times tho
latent moon
Do you lead with Zeus or Aphrodite keepsake btw
lean timber
get this
i'm running ap2, so i don't care to run god keepsakes too much, i'd just take what i can get tbh. for ease of the timer, i'm running shackle tart.
HAHAHAHAAAA
if i turned off ap2 i'd be leading with aphro tho
latent moon
Lmao based
lean timber
i just feel like god keepsakes on ap2 rama are a waste of time
latent moon
That's fair actually
latent moon
Considering it's unmodded so you can't guarantee anything useful at the start
brisk trail
my data got wiped because i had to factory reset
lean timber
L
latent moon
F
lean timber
i'm trying so hard to get away with em3 ri0/ri1 if i HAVE to. but it's not working super well
latent moon
my data got wiped because i had to factory reset
Might be something in #h1-tech-support to help idk
high island
Just do this pact with CP0 instead for 50 Rama. And start Heartbreak Strike. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775637549044465674/836225642248142878/Hades_2400.png
brisk trail
Might be something in <#520430049003044864> to help idk
no, too late for that lmao, the entire console had to be factory reseted
lean timber
no, nyaanyaa mewmew, em4 is not a viable 50 heat pact for me
latent moon
Just do this pact with CP0 instead for 50 Rama. And start Heartbreak Strike. htt...
I think Matty said that he didn't want to do em4 tho
lean timber
i should be able to but i can't so L that's something i gotta hold
brisk trail
anyways time to peace out since im tired
latent moon
you need good summons and also to practice em4 lol
lean timber
my summons are okay. they could improve a bit. i do one in tartarus, one in heroes, two in styx, and one in hades
that's my general plan
latent moon
fo2 hl5 em4 hs is probably the pact if you want to practice em4
latent moon
my summons are okay. they could improve a bit. i do one in tartarus, one in hero...
i meant like hades summons
lean timber
yeah i tried that
latent moon
yeah not gonna win with that lol
high island
no, nyaanyaa mewmew, em4 is not a viable 50 heat pact for me
Just reset for Twin Shot and Greatest Reflex. You don't need to learn the fight, you just need to get plenty of dashes + a lot of damage so that you don't need to learn the fight. And the pact allows you to do that reliably enough with RI0 and only AP1.
latent moon
rip acorn and rip hp
high island
Triple Shot works too if you're comfortable with it, but Twin Shot a lot better imo.
lean timber
rip acorn and rip hp
bro thought my acorn was still up on phase 2 of wave 2 lol
latent moon
twin shot is safer
lean timber
twin shot is the best rama hammer by a mile objectively
high island
You're not looking to beat 50 Heat consistently, you're just looking to beat 50 Heat.
lean timber
Just reset for Twin Shot and Greatest Reflex. You don't need to learn the fight,...
i feel like that's... devilish advice lol
that doesn't sit well with me
latent moon
i mean, you can't win if you dont get the good stuff lol
lean timber
i need the goodies...
atp if i break out of tartarus i generally make it to styx at the very least. so i have that going for me, but i need to improve a lot before i can do it all consistently
my typical tart leave is 4m and that does not bode well
i need 3:30 or less
ideally
last time i tried js3, i timed out...
high island
You're very very far from being anywhere close to beating 50 Heat consistently anyway.
high island
last time i tried js3, i timed out...
Well, just get better rooms.
lean timber
You're very very far from being anywhere close to beating 50 Heat consistently a...
you bother me lol
you could be nice about it
high island
Sometimes the game just throws total garbage rooms at you that get multiplied by JS3 and waste years of your life.
latent moon
last time i tried js3, i timed out...
timing out in tart isn't too bad tbh, asphodel can be a pretty big time save considering it's a short biome
lean timber
i know but my issue is getting over the hump of tart clear before making it to the promised lands
which i can't allllways do
i'm getting good at it tho
snow skiff
i start zeus special on rama lmao
latent moon
overtime tart sucks but you can get like a 3 min asphodel and enter heroes with maybe 1.5/2 minutes (and still run overtime but pray for patty lol)
high island
you could be nice about it
m trying to help you find a realistic strategy that you can actually believe in just the way I would for myself. If you don't have a winning strategy or you don't believe you can pull of the strategy, then you're not gonna win it. Get broken build + dashes to get carried through EM4 while EM4 lets you play at 46 Heat for the rest of the run... that's something you can pull off, m sure.
latent moon
i start zeus special on rama lmao
i honestly think this is better to speed up tart but i never do it because i want the guaranteed aphro atk lol
high island
Special boon is more important early on and Attack boon is more important later on, yeah.
lean timber
m trying to help you find a realistic strategy that you can actually believe in ...
ok but you're saying "just get the boons" when i'm running ap2 lol. it's not gonna work out for me like that and i'm not into resetting over and over. i just have to learn it. greater reflex and twin shot would be phenomenal, but i need a backup rather than "just highroll it"
high island
Well, I never said to take AP2.
latent moon
eventually you'll get the high roll
patent mesa
ok but you're saying "just get the boons" when i'm running ap2 lol. it's not gon...
I think you should run an easier first 50 than rama tbh
latent moon
theoretically
patent mesa
are you on unmodded
latent moon
he's a bow addict lol
patent mesa
fair
latent moon
the other option is zag bow and turn off dc2, you just need 1 atk boon and pray you get good hammers
high island
I just don't think AP2 is a good idea for you. Not yet.
latent moon
ap2 is just pain without modded
lean timber
at least rama can deal with ap2 tho
high island
No, not quite. The best Rama players can handle AP2 with Rama.
And they can also handle just playing with Shackle for the whole run if necessary.
lean timber
i've tried rail. granted i don't reeeeally know how to play rail like i know bow, but i just can't stop dash striking and getting everything thrown at me. if i do run eris/hestia i would need to practice a lot
high island
The difference in build quality between AP1 and AP2 is pretty huge for Rama.
Just think about how easy it is to get Heartbreak Strike > Thunder Flourish > good Call > Smair and either Hyper Sprint or Greatest Reflex with AP0... then how it's harder but still somewhat doable with AP1. And then think about your odds getting anything close to that with AP2.
patent mesa
i've tried rail. granted i don't reeeeally know how to play rail like i know bow...
hestia is super basic for 50
very little skill involved, just get into the rhythm of reloading and attacking
auto aim takes care of aiming for you so all you need to focus on is dashing and using special sometimes
lean timber
dc64 rail
latent moon
Zag rail Zeus atk with blade dash lmao
lean timber
yeeees
patent mesa
man DC64 was so much fun
watching blade dash absolutely go to town with engulfing vortex
warm nimbus
hestia is super basic for 50
^^ id watch lumos' hestia 50 run for unmodded gameplay that doesnt require you to press 70 buttons/sec
he clears by pretty much just attacking and reloading
patent mesa
and no saviors probably lmao
warm nimbus
yeay there was much complaining of saviors in jusheatthings lol
but he got the clear eventually and didnt have to learn hestia: the rhythm game
royal wind
Guys do you have any tips because I can’t past the second level and I always die
tepid light
i feel like my last 5 runs have all been aphrodite/ares builds
i keep ending up with that duo
royal wind
i feel like my last 5 runs have all been aphrodite/ares builds
That’s me but with Zeus bro
So many Zeus
Bro I think I need to stop useing the shield
I want to try the fists
tepid light
Guys do you have any tips because I can’t past the second level and I always die
i assume you mean asphodel. what specifically are you having trouble with?
royal wind
So after the first portal thing and you fight that one winged girl I can never get past the second portal dude it’s so hard but I tried the fists and it’s better but I can’t get past it do I need a build or something
I can’t get to the second boss
west ravine
So many Zeus
What kind booms are you getting from Zeus ?
west ravine
It’s super slow and runs out of bullets fast also don’t understand why the right joystick is the reload at least
lean timber
it has the second best range in the game
patent mesa
what is this rail slander going on
lean timber
precisely my query
void vigil
you can rebind it, i changed it from R to MMB
void vigil
its probably not too bad but i like mmb more
lean timber
is Q default bound?
austere loom
I use LB and have the right joystick button be the codex
patent mesa
is Q default bound?
yeah to special I think
void vigil
q is special and right click is cast and i see that a lot of people swap them but i couldnt get used to it
patent mesa
lol I usually end up with special right click and cast scroll down
then people make fun of me for that
lean timber
right click cast seems intuitive
patent mesa
it's good for beo and hera I think
austere loom
it bouncing to an actual enemy feels like a 50/50
patent mesa
yeah welcome to rail attack hammers
lean timber
chain shot rail is ricochet or spread fire?
patent mesa
rico, spread fire is shotgun
austere loom
I tried it on Hestia
patent mesa
anyways rico's actually pretty decent for hestia in particular
patent mesa
are you on keyboard?
austere loom
no
patent mesa
hm so you should have auto aim on by default
lean timber
i've really considered taking off autoaim. honestly
void vigil
i thought the hammers dont affect the reloaded shot
lean timber
it stops me from hitting the right enemies so much
patent mesa
yeah idk it's not op or anything but it should still be a decent buff for you
austere loom
sometimes it misses a point blank enemy
austere loom
i thought the hammers dont affect the reloaded shot
spread fire doesn't
patent mesa
I found rico usually hits something else
and thus becomes the best attack hammer for hestia
lean timber
rick o' shay
austere loom
the only time I found it actually useful
was when I hit a wall and it hit a greatshield in the back
patent mesa
lol yeah that part is fun
I'd say try hestia out again looking for rico and see if it works better
because it's def not a bad hammer
patent mesa
I find rico most useful in ely for picking off souls
austere loom
kinda inconsistent
lean timber
i stand by my claim that speeder longbows < speeder greatshields btw
ran into a few
they were not an issue
patent mesa
idk man speeder FO2 shieldbros fire their range attack at BS speeds
like almost instant
lean timber
yeah it certainly does feel like fo2 gives them a little extra boost
i'll give them that
patent mesa
I just loathe every BP2 enemy in ely tbh
even longspears have stupid range and frame data
lean timber
longspears are incredibly annoying with anything but bow
luckily, well, i don't have issues
tepid light
yeah i still dealt with them reasonably fine
it's just
you don't expect them to be as fast as they are
and before you know it, you've taken 20 damage
lean timber
based hl5 user
slim geyser
hl5 gaming
dusky solar
everyones chill until the DC2 FO2 CP2 speeder tank flamewheels show up
and you are using the fists with no range hammers
umbral parrot
rich gulch
Tank flamewheels are horrendous.
high island
They still explode when they run into a wall.
hardy spear
i barely ever actually try to attack flamewheels, just dash through and around objects until they crash
rich gulch
The issue is when they travel at max speed and there's dozens surrounding you. Even when I dash through two or three (which I'm still learning to do effectively), I still get hit by three others.
high island
Gotta learn to not put yourself in situations where there's dozens surrounding you in the first place.
rich gulch
True. So I resort to kill them all with overwhelming violence. It's not the same because they're already dead...
lost ermine
and this is why i don't play my main at high heat
sword 50 in ely is just asking for pain
rustic vale
i thought the hammers dont affect the reloaded shot
ricochet, explosive, piercing and seeking fire should all affect the hestia shot
rich gulch
sword 50 in ely is just asking for pain
Same with spear.
strong ridge
more
latent moon
is Q default bound?
Iirc MiKe uses the default keybinds lmfao
And like if you think about it it's not too bad considering how little you actually use the special except for some aspects
pastel monolith
i can't imagine playing hades with mouse and keyboard
but some ppl are rly good at it and it seems fine
i still recommend use a controller if u have one
even then u need to rebind some buttons sometimes
latent moon
Like atk/dash at cursor?
pastel monolith
q as special seems so bad
latent moon
For some aspects yeah
pastel monolith
if i played on pc with keyboard and mouse id probably do
space dash
left click attack
right click special
middle click or q for cast
or maybe id rebind everything each run based on the aspect lol
wraith sand
Like atk/dash at cursor?
ye
pastel monolith
i think on controller a lot of us rebind the summon and reload button.. and cast on hera/beo
i know one guy who rebinded dash to the RB bumber button
pastel monolith
i havent played around with the aim assist option on controller.. its ON by default but when i turned it off im not sure i rly noticed a difference
i put it back on anyway
faint flint
kek
whoever did the programming for the triggers in hades did an amazing job
TFW Thanatos comments that I've been using Eris rail a ton
faint flint
and here I was thinking it'd be funny for Hades to say something like "not this bloody gun again"
rustic vale
Rail in general
Not specifically eris but just rail usage iirc
boreal raven
@patent mesa why did you ban me
strong ridge
for
boreal raven
idk I'm asking
tepid light
am i the only one who doesn't really like smouldering air
i much prefer using greater calls
boreal raven
yes
tepid light
esp. if i took something like artemis or aphro aid, which i often do
patent mesa
esp. if i took something like artemis or aphro aid, which i often do
if you like those two calls smair is gonna be pretty bad
tepid light
i guess it's a preference/playstyle thing
patent mesa
but general consensus is that the calls that are strongest as small form eg zeus dio pos are also the strongest overall
considering both speedrun and high heat
and this is where smair's reputation comes from
tepid light
well i'll gladly defy general consensus on this point
smouldering air just makes me sad
patent mesa
you do you chief
tepid light
smouldering air is one of the few duo boons that actively reduces the functionality of one of your abilities
which makes it particularly frustrating
patent mesa
yeah but losing big calls is a small price to pay for its ridiculous strengths
especially considering the weakness of big calls in the meta
strong ridge
aphro & arty are hardest hit by smair for every other call smair is no question
the i frames alone make smair worth
finite holly
Which is the easymode weapon, feels like shield and spear are just cheat for me everytime
finite holly
Yeah thats how it felt
Also just so happens that whenever i get shield i get the most op boon combos
tepid light
Even if you don't have great boons, you can just no-sell 99% of what the game throws at you by blocking
It might take a while to actually clear, but it's incredibly easy to avoid risk
lean timber
augh
tepid light
augh?
patent mesa
shield is by far the most "I'm cheating" weapon in the game
signal aspen
augh
signal aspen
shield is by far the most "I'm cheating" weapon in the game
sword
latent moon
no matter the aspect all you need is cshot and then you can win lmao
patent mesa
true, sword is way stronger
tepid light
pos sword best and easiest weapon in the game
high island
am i the only one who doesn't really like smouldering air
Smoldering Air is easily one of the very best boons in the game.
tepid light
Might want to glance at the rest of the convo there
lean timber
zeus and hermes are busted for smair
latent moon
billowing and second wind are so good with smair but smair doesn't need them to be good which is nice
unlike some other duos (merciful end)
even if you dont get smair and you end up picking those up they're not bad pick ups either
acoustic bolt
sword
Sword is by far my most losingest weapon
I basically have no idea what to do with it. It feels bad even if I get all the duos I want. I usually try to find some other source of damage like rod
Just got worse with forced overtime. No idea how I'll win fo2 with sword lol
high island
I'd say the only boons that come even close to how universally good Smair is are Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, Greatest Reflex, and Hyper Sprint.
acoustic bolt
Man I hate Arthur. It feels so bad.
patent mesa
another good option to actually find damage with zag and nemesis sword is ME
you try that before?
acoustic bolt
And I'm at 27 heat. Donno if that's considered low anymore
latent moon
And I'm at 27 heat. Donno if that's considered low anymore
what's your pact looking like? it's probably similar enough to 32 lmao
warm nimbus
I'd say the only boons that come even close to how universally good Smair is are...
idk man as
acoustic bolt
I have done ME sword before. It's fine. Still doesn't feel great. The other weapons for ME feel less clunky I guess
Maybe zag sword me would be better I usually run nemesis
warm nimbus
smair is really nice with billowing or swind
high island
Nemesis is better.
Sword is pretty difficult to play well because Dash-Strike hitbox kinda sucks so you have to be pretty accurate or you're just whiffing a lot.
tepid light
Or you can just unga bunga
acoustic bolt
what's your pact looking like? it's probably similar enough to 32 lmao
Crap I donno all the abbreviations.
HL1 EM3 MM BP F01 TD3 I think that's 27?
high island
FO not F0 lol.
acoustic bolt
Sword is pretty difficult to play well because Dash-Strike hitbox kinda sucks so...
Oh man I thought I was just really bad at hitting with it.
I was just saying zag sword for ME since movement is a big complaint.
acoustic bolt
FO not F0 lol.
Lol yeah mobile had me confused 😅
latent moon
Crap I donno all the abbreviations.
HL1 EM3 MM BP F01 TD3 I think that's 27?
lc4 too i think right
patent mesa
zag sword is good for ME
acoustic bolt
Yeah LC4
latent moon
you're just missing fo2 and uc, so not too far off
patent mesa
that's just a few RI levels away from 32
high island
DPS rotation for sword is just Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat or starting with Dash-Strike instead of Special, but you're just looping that pretty much. Sometimes mix in a Cast here and there.
warm nimbus
yeah from there to 32 isnt bad
latent moon
did you just pick up fo1?
warm nimbus
especially since youre beating the level youre currently at every time
acoustic bolt
you're just missing fo2 and uc, so not too far off
Almost. But if FO1 is messing with me FO2 sounds like the scariest difference so far
patent mesa
HL0 RI3 go
latent moon
lmfao
tepid light
i am seeing a glaring lack of em4 in these pacts, smh
warm nimbus
Almost. But if FO1 is messing with me FO2 sounds like the scariest difference so...
its probably just because youre used to fo0 timings, its nbd. id just play at low heat with fo2 for a few runs and youll get used to it reasonably quickly
acoustic bolt
especially since youre beating the level youre currently at every time
I'm losing a fair amount of runs at 27 now. FO. Asterius.
acoustic bolt
i am seeing a glaring lack of em4 in these pacts, smh
I don't want to do well for 54 chambers and then lose my run because em4 is insane. I'm good.
latent moon
I'm losing a fair amount of runs at 27 now. FO. Asterius.
ik this might suck but i'd turn off all the pacts except like hl, em3, and maybe bp if you want to learn fo
tepid light
I don't want to do well for 54 chambers and then lose my run because em4 is insa...
FAKE GAMER
latent moon
or just straight up only use fo1/2 and em3
warm nimbus
^^^
latent moon
either that or you can keep brute forcing fo2 on high heat, that also works but your fights can be more messy
warm nimbus
fo0 to fo2 is probably the sharpest transition in the game, but once youre acclimated to it you dont even notice its there
high island
FAKE GAMER
Let's see you clear HL5 EM4 CP2 FO2 HS. 
acoustic bolt
That's fair. I'm definitely not thinking about it just running
tepid light
Let's see you clear HL5 EM4 CP2 FO2 HS. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
I'll do it eventually, mark my words
short glen
Just get the boons and it'll be fine
latent moon
honestly, dedicating runs solely to just FO is valid considering it messes up all your internal timings against enemies
acoustic bolt
Maybe you're right and I should just practice. Fwiw I do actually enjoy the faster spawn stuff. The big chariots and fast Elysium dudes are nightmares though
warm nimbus
fo2 speeder chariots are hellish
tepid light
But in all seriousness, I do feel like there's an argument for activating EM4 early on
Specifically because it's so difficult, you'd want to learn it earlier on when there aren't other pact modifiers messing you up; that way, once you start adding other modifiers, you're already accustomed to EM4 so it's not as horrible
latent moon
you could take a break from climbing heat and get into speedrunning, which does help you climb heat with many weapons
acoustic bolt
My sword runs before FO were pretty messy anyway though. I think my timings were kinda bad anyway lol
latent moon
But in all seriousness, I do feel like there's an argument for activating EM4 ea...
some people also don't want to go to 40 or 50 heat lmao
if they dont have any aspirations to get that high then em4 isn't really needed
acoustic bolt
I'm probably not getting to 50. I may reach 40. I have no great interest in playing with no mirror, or ap2 or something. Takes the fun out
tepid light
if they dont have any aspirations to get that high then em4 isn't really needed
this argument goes both ways, in that case it's just a matter of what sort of challenge the player in question prefers
some might still go em4, others might prefer the other challenges from the pact
high island
EM4 is pretty chill if you're not stacking other pacts that buff Hades on top of it like FO2 etc.
acoustic bolt
Cerberus' janky sprite running across the screen is pretty funny. Feels like that was a late addition just to be a joke
high island
There's fairly chill 32 Heat EM4 pacts, too, if the player is somewhat used to EM4.
tepid light
I remember my reaction the first time I saw cerberus' summon
Actually jumped in my chair
latent moon
i got hit by many rocks when that happened the first time lmao
tepid light
Same
patent mesa
isn't it nice how the meta for dealing with cerberus is literally hiding in the corner and pause buffering
short glen
Pause buffering?
acoustic bolt
I guess there's an argument for EM4 instead of FO2. It's funny because the speedy mobs end up annoying but the slower ones are just right.
Chasing down bombers and bloodless in asphodel ugh
warm nimbus
Pause buffering?
spamming pause/unpause to see where the rocks are going to fall
tepid light
isn't it nice how the meta for dealing with cerberus is literally hiding in the ...
that's too easy, we need an em5 where the cerberus aoe's track you from different angles
warm nimbus
since they fall ridiculously fast
you make microadjustments trying to dodge all the rocks and then hades attacks you early and hits you with a 50 damage spear throw
latent moon
that's too easy, we need an em5 where the cerberus aoe's track you from differen...
em5 demeter joins the fight and beats you up
acoustic bolt
Em5 where all the mobs get buffed forms would be neat. Like how Erebus in Elysium has special mobs
warm nimbus
thats what em4 is lol
tepid light
em5 where hades dual wields varatha and gigaros
acoustic bolt
thats what em4 is lol
No I mean all the mobs in the game
acoustic bolt
The normal chambers
mint coral
that's too easy, we need an em5 where the cerberus aoe's track you from differen...
Em5 is charon or super barge
You decide
warm nimbus
maybe a bit too extreme of measures there
tepid light
Em5 is charon or super barge
oh god, charon and hades punching you at the same time
it would make sense too
mint coral
Nah you fight charon after dad
tepid light
or before
acoustic bolt
I stopped fighting Charon after starting lc4
mint coral
Have to pay for your peaceful ride home
warm nimbus
ok why isnt super barge an option
acoustic bolt
It takes to long to be safe and I just die to tight deadline
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489211266833973268/1014260090829803530/...
zeus
mint coral
Arth*r?
snow skiff
ot
patent mesa
rama
snow skiff
it's chiron
latent moon
oh right yeah you said you were doing chiron next because i said so
mint coral
ok why *isnt* super barge an option
Ikr
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489211266833973268/1014260090829803530/...
also gamer zag bow build
acoustic bolt
Ap2?
mint coral
Is just so dumb
warm nimbus
Is just so dumb
exactly
short glen
Em5 is charon or super barge
Em6 where Cerberus doesn't move so you have to fight him
latent moon
Ap2?
ap2 doesn't exist for amb because she's the living embodiment of "just get the boons"
acoustic bolt
Just trying to figure out hunter dash Chiron
snow skiff
ap2 yeah
warm nimbus
Just trying to figure out hunter dash Chiron
you use the special as aoe
you dont home in on stuff lmao
warm nimbus
its so absurd but this is what chiron needs at 50
acoustic bolt
So it's just bad zag bow?
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489211266833973268/1014260597208141905/...
rip
timer moment
warm nimbus
So it's just bad zag bow?
yep
snow skiff
no trust me this is fine
warm nimbus
worse than zag bow lol
snow skiff
i think
mint coral
Free ap2 but freen't rooms
acoustic bolt
worse than zag bow lol
I kinda love zag bow. But this sounds heinous.
Can you even line up shots like with zag bow? Or does it usually just hit the front
snow skiff
setting hammer to relentless volley and picking up zeus special first best chiron 50 strat
mint coral
Is worse cuz no 15% crit chance
warm nimbus
and 1 less arrow
snow skiff
k what next
latent moon
what's left again
snow skiff
i need all spears - gy all shields - beo hera all fists - gilga hestia
latent moon
zeus shield without special boon
snow skiff
i dont feel like shielding
latent moon
hades spear then lmao
snow skiff
minus
mint coral
Im dumb
lean timber
i'm stupid
patent mesa
you're dumb
tepid light
heat 14 cleared!
latent moon
very nice
tepid light
oh boy that means i need to do pos blade again
because nemesis and arthur were my last two
artemis cast poseidon
ought to be interesting
snow skiff
achilles cant get that
patent mesa
force it
mint coral
I mean flurry is your option lol
Unless you wanna do smth like serrated ig
Or spin memes
tepid light
explosive return on zeus shield is so good
patent mesa
https://imgur.com/URcr3a0 please don't judge my pact
warm nimbus
https://imgur.com/URcr3a0 please don't judge my pact
absolutely based pact
wait
this isnt budget eris
this pact sucks
patent mesa
uhhhhh
warm nimbus
wtf is dc2??
patent mesa
I was running RI2
warm nimbus
at least get col
patent mesa
it cost me too many tartaruses
snow skiff
dc2 zagrail sux
warm nimbus
it cost me too many tartaruses
ri momento
snow skiff
i start tdash on zagrail
warm nimbus
this will do nothing but maybe I can sell it
nah itll do some damage
warm nimbus
<@293880606650269696> double strike doesn’t do anything on Zeus shield
wait really wtf
this game is a scammm
snow skiff
<@293880606650269696> double strike doesn’t do anything on Zeus shield
bruh
ok i'm turning to the dark side
@warm nimbus You're sending messages too quickly.
warm nimbus
ok i'm turning to the dark side
oh god please dont
latent moon
whoops i forgot to take privileged status on chiron and i have dio special lmao
patent mesa
@warm nimbus thoughts on new avatar?
snow skiff
whoops i forgot to take privileged status on chiron and i have dio special lmao
doesn't matter ps is a scam anyway
latent moon
but funky sound
drifting emberBOT
RandyZ129#8918
warm nimbus
spicy
although wait
shouldnt beo and zag rail be reversed
and then after that beo and zag shield
and then chaos and zeus
and eris and hesty
patent mesa
que
warm nimbus
oh
boring way of doing it
but fair enough
i think the best iteration of the avatar was def the 4 aspects one
snow skiff
ok now that you have 50 heat fullcleared on all the cheese weapons do it on bows
patent mesa
nope
snow skiff
gy is easy too
patent mesa
zag bow hard too
snow skiff
zag bow rama and nem
*poseidon gilga and arthur
patent mesa
I actually think arthur is one of the easier 50s
warm nimbus
wtf no
snow skiff
i mean
warm nimbus
actually maybe idk im just bad with it
snow skiff
arthur tanks ri2 quite nicely
warm nimbus
i could do nem 45 decently easily but idk about beyond that
snow skiff
it just feels awful because of how badly it scales
warm nimbus
the em4/ap/ri thing kinda sucks
snow skiff
the em4/ap/ri thing kinda sucks
pick up heart rend on ap2
patent mesa
my second almost completion was with lightning rod and dio call
which was insanely good
warm nimbus
pick up heart rend on ap2
shut it
snow skiff
if you try enough itll work eventually
warm nimbus
for nem 50 i might actually have to do ap2 if i wanted to though lol
but that means dc1 doesnt it
snow skiff
ap2 isnt that bad tbh just get luckier
tepid light
YES
snow skiff
manipulate your rng seed
snow skiff
em14
warm nimbus
my luckiest moment ever in this game was getting lp no rerolls 3 times in a row on ap2
patent mesa
yoooooo EM14
warm nimbus
EM14 BEATEN WITH GUAN YU
omg the em14 dlc?
patent mesa
was it EM4 RI2
tepid light
finally did it
warm nimbus
i didnt know they released that
patent mesa
better have been
warm nimbus
better have been em4 ri4 lc4
warm nimbus
regardless nice work
i think it was mean work :( my feelings are hurt
patent mesa
you're mean work
warm nimbus
gj on gy though
tepid light
ty
snow skiff
i'm kind of baller at zeus shield
tepid light
yoooooo EM14
no yeah you fight charon and dad at the same time while cerberus, the furies, and lernie constantly shoot aoe's at you from offscreen
bit harder
patent mesa
it's really fun
warm nimbus
it's really fun
3 bballs
patent mesa
when he's not buffed into oblivion
warm nimbus
yeah exactly
snow skiff
em4 is fun until you get 1 sneak and 2 balls
tepid light
em4 is fun until you get 1 sneak and 2 balls
been there done that, was unpleasant
mint coral
Dont you love 3 Bballs though
warm nimbus
bad summons can literally make runs on some aspects impossible lmao
snow skiff
thats like all of high heat tho
its the pacts interacting with each other that make it exponentially harder
tepid light
guan yu spin strat actually works pretty well when you have lvl 4 epic demeter attack
patent mesa
you say bball miniboss is one of the easiest yet think superdad bball summon is unfair
curious
tepid light
so you get a lot of hits off and he can't move fast enough to punish you
warm nimbus
its like wow what a nice rama run with the 3 minute dad enter too bad i picked today to be the day you got 2 sneaks and a bball
warm nimbus
you say bball miniboss is one of the easiest yet think superdad bball summon is ...
hmmm
imagine if dad could summon asterius lmao
patent mesa
well ultimately most people are doing low heat superdad where he's not stupid unfair
warm nimbus
3 asterii just spinning all at once
patent mesa
and in that environment I think superdad is one of the best parts of the game
mint coral
Low heat super dad is fun
snow skiff
dad should be able to summon than and one shot you
patent mesa
because even at just EM4 you have to know what you're doing to win
and so beating him is super rewarding as the "true final boss"
warm nimbus
what sucks is i dont enjoy it on fo0 bc its easy but then on fo2 its unfair lmao
patent mesa
if only there was some sort of inbetween
snow skiff
...fo1 ???
warm nimbus
oh wait
patent mesa
lmaoooooo
warm nimbus
i kinda forgot fo1 exists
mint coral
warm nimbus
youre just bad
patent mesa
nah asterius is reasonable on FO1
mint coral
Also on beo em4 fo2 isnt that bad
patent mesa
esp if you get dem attack
warm nimbus
Also on beo em4 fo2 isnt that bad
true but then that means you have to play the run as cshotless beo
snow skiff
ok beo is also the most broken weapon in thegame
warm nimbus
which sucks
patent mesa
you suck
warm nimbus
cshotless beo isnt very fun lmao
mint coral
Nah low heat i still do cshot lol
warm nimbus
well yeah but not at 50+
mint coral
Tought we were talking low heat
snow skiff
there are heats lower than 50?
mint coral
snow skiff
then you dont get so many boons that you ap2 into a good build
warm nimbus
let me guess your first 50 got like ap2 epic jolted splitting tidal dash and arty special?
warm nimbus
ew drunken strike wtf
snow skiff
wheres lightning strike eris 59
warm nimbus
wheres drunken strike eris 58
snow skiff
wheres lightning strike eris 58
warm nimbus
wheres drunken strike eris 57.5
warm nimbus
nah
hardy spear
wheres this conversation going
warm nimbus
built worse
hardy spear
wheres my negative heat
warm nimbus
and proclaim that lightning strike is better
snow skiff
wheres this conversation going
we're just having a death battle over which eris strike is better
warm nimbus
@snow skiff is about to admit shes wrong
hardy spear
im about to successfully claim my victory
oh my bad didnt mean to interrupt your battle
snow skiff
brb gonna get sub6 with drunk eris
warm nimbus
gl
hardy spear
i like lightning
snow skiff
nvm i dont play speed
warm nimbus
~~i like lightning~~
correct opinion, you are spared
hardy spear
wait what wouldve happened if i said drunken strike
warm nimbus
nvm i dont play speed
"ew wtf why do i have 3 options for boons?"
snow skiff
SO TRUE
warm nimbus
ok seriously though thats pretty much what angel said the other day
snow skiff
i tried to play 40 heat this morning and was overwhelmed by the choices
why is there more than 1 option question mark
hardy spear
what a fine endless selection
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
what is wrong with you people
snow skiff
i want to go for double strike and have it crossed out 3 times
hardy spear
i think anyone who enjoys ap is just a masochist
warm nimbus
i think anyone who enjoys ap is just a masochist
agreed
hardy spear
mm yes take away my free will and success
warm nimbus
wow that really is masochistic
snow skiff
I'm just devious like that
hardy spear
how do you live
hardy spear
ap1 ri1 is fun
uh oh youre slipping into thr danger zone
lean timber
ap1 ri1 is fun
i'm going to destroy you
hardy spear
bit violent
warm nimbus
i like DF and don't care about less options
what because you just get the option you want anyways
snow skiff
EXACTLY !!!!
warm nimbus
ap1 ri1 is fun
@patent mesa i need backup
lean timber
ap2 ri0 is literally worlds better than ap1 ri1