you asked for help, all of the people replying routinely play 40+ heat or speedrun. trust :p
#h1-discussion
acoustic bolt
latent moon
Mainly because of pom pool, also because big numbers early good
dusky solar
im also a diehard ruthless reflex enjoyer
patent mesa
sus
latent moon
Trade away ambrosia lol
mint coral
Just look "my shop is all boons from X god" that are online
acoustic bolt
seeing an anvil is maximum disappointment
dusky solar
hard agree
latent moon
Unless you have 2 awful hammers lmao
dusky solar
^
latent moon
Unmodded gaming
dusky solar
anvil has saved a run or two of mine
mint coral
Nor spear
latent moon
Just get the good one
dusky solar
i also enjoy golden touch for the rare but appreciated hoarding slash run
latent moon
Hoarding slash is good in the sense that there are worse hammers
mint coral
Hoarding slash 
dusky solar
hoarding slash is based all im gonna say
acoustic bolt
imperceptibly better damage, obviously a good reason to take a bad talent
latent moon
Unfortunately I like spending my money
mint coral
Based on a weirs way
latent moon
Or you can have 0 gold but more damage with actual boons lol
dusky solar
if you have 1200 gold saved for titan blood you can instead just not spend it and get the hades speedrun kill WR
acoustic bolt
who saves 1200 gold for titan blood
dusky solar
i JUST said that i did
latent moon
if you have 1200 gold saved for titan blood you can instead just not spend it an...
I don't think sword is gonna have the wr clear with hoarding slash
dusky solar
twas a mild joke but you get the point
latent moon
Naturally lmao
dusky solar
probably how youd get the sword hades wr kill tho
mint coral
Sadly sword is destined to be a ME weapon
latent moon
lmao yeah
dusky solar
theres no passive damage source, how is sword an ME weapon?
latent moon
because ME is literally the strongest duo boon if you get everything going
mint coral
Fast dash strike
acoustic bolt
you don't need another source of damage if you have ME
latent moon
you can get fat doom procs with impending and hyper delivery
dusky solar
i spose you could alternate special and attack
mint coral
Dash
latent moon
dstrike dstrike special repeat
acoustic bolt
dash-strike dash-strike dash-strike
mint coral
You use special only to open ME
dusky solar
but like ME is way better if you have like zeus special constantly reapplying while you hit every tick with primary
mint coral
MEus is the odd one that doesnt need dash
latent moon
but like ME is way better if you have like zeus special constantly reapplying wh...
i mean yeah but also it works great on every melee aspect
mint coral
but like ME is way better if you have like zeus special constantly reapplying wh...
Yet it doesnt have sub 6, curious
Zeus shield is hard
dusky solar
wait does ME proc the doom or proc it AND keep the doom still applied?
latent moon
procs but doesn't keep the same apply
surreal vector
it kinda sucks if one would choke at the end to an extent that you not only suddenly forgotten everything you picked up but u also forgot the controls and you're reduced to frantically dashing back and forth while pitifully mashing one button before you snap out of it 1 second before "dum dum de dem" death blow. then dare to watch the footage back via share button, and the antics on screen look even worse that at the time... the bufoonery striking such that you can't look away but can't look either!
mint coral
You re apply it instantly
latent moon
it's easier to see it on fists than sword
dusky solar
zeus shield isnt that hard for me i find fighting with it kind of like playing two characters at once and it feels very fluid and clearing is both fun and fast
mint coral
I mean i can control zeus shield
dusky solar
you just gotta keep mental tabs on your spec and always have it doing something, if zeus spec isnt hitting something at almost all times you arent doing it right. i have zero problems getting it to constantly dps throught a fight.
mint coral
That doesnt mean im good at it
latent moon
it's different for everyone, i've only used it like twice and cannot get the hang of it so i've stopped trying lmao
cleared it on 32 so i dont have to touch it again lmao
mint coral
Like seeing Baj play zeus is amazing
dusky solar
it took a small bit to adjust but i love zeus shield its fun as all hell
mint coral
Tho i think we only have the 64 route vod now
dusky solar
id like to think im good at it?
mint coral
latent moon
i feel like we need to get back on topic on fixing stella's mirror lmfao
dusky solar
screw you my mirror is perfect
acoustic bolt
i don't really see how ME being better on shield makes it not the best thing you can do with a sword
mint coral
Is missing some routine inspectoon 4
dusky solar
okay ill switch to deep pockets and consider other changes
BUT im keeping ruthless reflex no matter what you say
acoustic bolt
isn't shield the only weapon to clear 64 heat or something
mint coral
Yeah
latent moon
fiery presence, double dash, deep pockets, family favorites, fated persuasion
those are the ones you need to take over your current ones
dusky solar
i JUST said im not dropping ruthless
latent moon
well i sent it before i read your message lmao, i was scrolled up on your mirror
latent moon
privileged status is good if you're running aphro + dio chiron bow but that's about it
dusky solar
maybe ill drop a mirror reset and fill it out
latent moon
id use persuasion but ranking it up takes ages
actually, persuasion takes less total darkness than authority
mint coral
Reset your mirror to take off the extra darkness
And also if you have fated keys, even if you cant lvl up it will get you persuasion rolls
dusky solar
yeah but authority can have a billion charges
latent moon
and those billion charges aren't that great lmao
dusky solar
i dont understand the math behind family favorite since you can only get so many different gods at once but, ill swap that too
mint coral
+25% with 4 gods + hermes
dusky solar
ill keep thick skin for now because of my skill issue
mint coral
Is basically so you dont take useless boons/annoying ways to proc ps
latent moon
it's more consistent considering that every build can't always consistently have 2 status effects
dusky solar
+25% with 4 gods + hermes
vs 40% for a large portion of the time if i use my kit well?
acoustic bolt
it's also always on. a lot of builds can't keep 2 statuses on often enough for it to matter
mint coral
You arent proccing ps on every enemy
dusky solar
i get it going often, but ill change to see how i like it
mint coral
If you try too hard on that enemies will prob hit you
latent moon
you also might be forcing it to happen and ending up with not great builds because of it
acoustic bolt
it's entirely based on how you plan to build. some runs you use pstatus other runs you don't. being married to pstatus always is a mistake
latent moon
less buttons to manage (esp with timing wise) is always better
dusky solar
nah i just always end up with ps going off anyway, maybe my luck
mint coral
Fam favs is just take and forget aboit it
Also take a defensibe keepsake into styx, please
acoustic bolt
harsh XD
latent moon
oh i just had a thought
could rama run privileged status if you take dio special and twin shot aphro? ik that one hit of aphro just activates it, but would the second deal more damage or the same because it's hitting at the same time
mint coral
And i wont count brazer as one 
dusky solar
oof, and just 95 darkness to spare https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934969306842791946/1012600385216712774/unknown.png
dusky solar
Also take a defensibe keepsake into styx, please
i always take myrmidon idk why i didnt 😭
latent moon
take acorn collar or tooth please lmao
acoustic bolt
or hades
dusky solar
i feel fresh! lets get a run going, someone name a random non-meta aspect
tepid light
good god poseidon blade is clunky
mint coral
Myrmidon is a base god mode
latent moon
or hourglass
dusky solar
talos! i like it
latent moon
acoustic bolt
zag bow
acoustic bolt
i love zag bow
mint coral
Just ignore the special
latent moon
zag bow is great
dusky solar
i love all aspects, i did a casual run with guan yu just for the fun of it.
mint coral
All fists build the same anyways
dusky solar
today.
mint coral
Nah gy is fun
latent moon
All fists build the same anyways
at least demeter can instaphase
dusky solar
and i also did a for fun gilga today too
acoustic bolt
artemis gy is basically never triggering pstatus
mint coral
A bit less unmodded but still
acoustic bolt
great example
mint coral
Any arty build basically
dusky solar
im a talos enjoyer though i personally prefer gilga and demeter
mint coral
Worstlos enjoyer
latent moon
if you want to use fists just use demeter
dusky solar
ooh i have enough blood to make talos lvl 4 too
dusky solar
DID YOU THINK I WAS BUYING IT WITHOUT A GOOD REASON
mint coral
+40% attack dmg so good
dusky solar
i have all the zag aspects maxed and NOTHING else is maxed
mint coral
Why you maxed all the zags in 1st place
latent moon
talos is unironically one of the worst aspects
dusky solar
oh and on shield instead of zag i have chaos maxed
latent moon
mint coral
Banned
acoustic bolt
everyone enjoys zag
dusky solar
and i have zero fists maxed
acoustic bolt
zag is a treasure
mint coral
Zag is the capybara of the gods
latent moon
maxed chaos and 0 zag shield is cursed
dusky solar
and zero rails maxed too
acoustic bolt
zag does a lot of rails tbh
mint coral
Benefits of playing on switch
acoustic bolt
should get the befrend theseus and asterius mod and get their keepsakes
mint coral
I dont worry about that achievement
mint coral
Are you for real
latent moon
benefits of steam: you have stuff to shoot for
mint coral
Does it stack with hermes
acoustic bolt
yeah
mint coral
Gilga meta
dusky solar
i can add DC on talos since all itll eat up is the 20 damage pull in anyways
mint coral
Comically large amount of dashes
acoustic bolt
theseus' at rank 3 makes all boons have 100% chance to be rare or better
latent moon
that doesn't feel that great tbh
dusky solar
i dont have those keepsakes dont spoil how to get them please 😭
latent moon
i mean it's something to take into aspho i guess
mint coral
Those are mods
latent moon
i dont have those keepsakes dont spoil how to get them please 😭
it's a mod
acoustic bolt
i JUST said it's a mod
latent moon
i guess theseus' keepsake might be good for the aspects that just need like 1 boon for damage
like hesty maybe
mint coral
Only non speedrun mod i installed was fusion aspects
acoustic bolt
yeah i guess tbf there isn't a good time to use theseus unless you're just free balling the run with no god keepsakes
mint coral
I still recommend, makes chaos special actually fun
dusky solar
quake cutter on talos! poggers
latent moon
oh yeah i forgot about the fusions
acoustic bolt
what do you fuse chaos with
dusky solar
I still recommend, makes chaos special actually fun
chaos is always fun 😭
mint coral
what do you fuse chaos with
The other 3 shields
After a bullrush you throw 6 zeus shields
acoustic bolt
oh you just get all the aspects at once?
mint coral
Yeah
latent moon
fusion mod be like that
latent moon
how does that work with bow
i'd assume chiron special that inflicts shared suffering
and chonky atk
spice hare
hehe beam bow
acoustic bolt
chiron inflicting shared suffering seems a lot worse than not having chiron special there
latent moon
on the mod page there's videos of each fusion aspect
mint coral
Fists also habe a combo system
latent moon
chiron inflicting shared suffering seems a lot worse than not having chiron spec...
well prob has normal damage but also does shared suffering
mint coral
And make maim good
acoustic bolt
yeah but shared suffering hits multiple targets
mint coral
It also changes hades spear buff not affecting spin itself
Oh and for u @latent moon arthur but good frame data
dusky solar
okay talos makes erebus gates free, you can just single out enemies and smack them
acoustic bolt
go talos poseidon attack
mint coral
Oh and for u <@384127040992837633> arthur but good frame data
And the aura moves with you
Is funny
acoustic bolt
yo yo everything
mint coral
Yo-yo is flourish
dusky solar
i want doom special here...
mint coral
You dont want yo yo talos anyways
acoustic bolt
it doens't work the way you hope it does
mint coral
There is 0 boss dmg
acoustic bolt
the talos part of the special that hits everything around you doesn't actually apply doom to them all
acoustic bolt
There is 0 boss dmg
splash dash is the answer
dusky solar
well i know that but i like doom special because it has high damage compared to doom attack
acoustic bolt
splash dash is always the answer
mint coral
Not false
latent moon
yeah but shared suffering hits multiple targets
just watched the fusion video, the special just calls in arrows from the sky lmfao
acoustic bolt
lol what
mint coral
Beam bow moment
acoustic bolt
so is the sword just nemesis with arthur aura and extra move speed and strong casts?
dusky solar
WAIT im dumb why did i take fiery and then get DC bruhhhh
acoustic bolt
because bonus attack speed on sword still doesn't do anything
spice hare
wait you can fuse aspects?
mint coral
Dc hearts dont count for fiery
spice hare
latent moon
video of the stuff is there
spice hare
ah...mod
spice hare
if you fuse every aspect wont you just get op
dusky solar
wow that chaos boon is literally useless rn but i want the prophecy
latent moon
Oh and for u <@384127040992837633> arthur but good frame data
actual playable arthur hell yeah
spice hare
life steal n stuff
mint coral
if you fuse every aspect wont you just get op
Yeah
Mod suggest to use the more heat mod iirc
Or at least the creator did on discord
latent moon
is that the one where you can get dc32
mint coral
You can edit it to be possoble
acoustic bolt
final form veratha is ludicrously convoluted
mint coral
It is
But comically large spin
I like that you can ise the flurry jab but still spin
spice hare
life steal plus the quick charge hammer
i had a screenshot of that run in victory boast
latent moon
making aspects and weapons viable by putting them all into one
mint coral
making aspects and weapons viable by putting them all into one
How to make chaos shield good
latent moon
true lmao
mint coral
Replace for zeus
spice hare
i mean all the weapons are viable tbh i escaped with all the weapons at least once
patent mesa
How to make chaos shield good
cshot
latent moon
i mean all the weapons are viable tbh i escaped with all the weapons at least on...
but it's more of, a bunch of aspects can't do high heat or are just terrible
mint coral
How to make Chaos shield special good
dusky solar
^
spice hare
just stack dio on special kekw
mint coral
And you cant block
latent moon
75 isn't bad for a point blank but also get cshot lmao
mint coral
Honestly if i removed internal cooldown of zeus it wouldnt be for chiron but chaos shield
Make shotgun avtually good
spice hare
i use chaos shield for the sole purpose of unlocking the secret aspect
latent moon
Honestly if i removed internal cooldown of zeus it wouldnt be for chiron but cha...
i'd do it for chiron solely because i have bad experiences with chaos
mint coral
Oh i remember the best thing about chaos shield tho
Random Chaos voicelines
Those are cool
latent moon
oh yeah those are neat
tepid light
person below me has to use gilg in their next run
dusky solar
okay
latent moon
have fun with that
mint coral
Ty
acoustic bolt
i still need to try gilg splash dash
dusky solar
WOW i am never using MM again
mint coral
Power couple?
dusky solar
yea
mint coral
Also is this fists
acoustic bolt
i hate power couple so much
dusky solar
its the additional shockwave from MM that ruins me
latent moon
i only like power couple MM when i have beo and can nuke the gorgon
tepid light
its the additional shockwave from MM that ruins me
be like me and play em4 mm
or you're not a real gamer
dusky solar
i will now proceed to gatekeep stella
wtf youre so mean
tepid light
wtf youre so mean
do as i say
dusky solar
well goodbye DD 1 and 2
mint coral
If you can dodge dad shockwaves you can dodge power couple shockwave
acoustic bolt
MM is bs but also just more free than everything else
mint coral
Just dont dash away from it or you are getting double tapped
I've lost a dd on beo bc of that
latent moon
if you have + dashes from hermes you can be a true gamer and get triple tapped
dusky solar
If you can dodge dad shockwaves you can dodge power couple shockwave
i can dodge dad shockwaves but i CANNOT dodge power couple anything
mint coral
Also i think MM is one of the most fun
Actual changes after EM ty
And makes barge decent
latent moon
i only hate MM power couple but all others are fine
acoustic bolt
just run LC4 with stubborn defiance and losing a dd to power couple just doesn't matter
mint coral
Losing a dd would matter tho
latent moon
i also hate power couple in general tho, esp after my bow run on fresh file
mint coral
Losing your sd is chill
acoustic bolt
so having finally made the switch, i really like SD
latent moon
SD is gamer
mint coral
Welcome to sd
acoustic bolt
it feels smooth and i'm never worried that i lost too many resources
mint coral
Learn to min max your health gains now
latent moon
proc your sd first before you grab a heart if you can
mint coral
And always check if you have youe sd before trying to proc it
latent moon
and that lmao
mint coral
proc your sd first before you grab a heart if you can
(if you are below 30% ofc)
latent moon
yeah
acoustic bolt
aspho is kinda chill with sd
mint coral
Or X amount depending on touch of styx
acoustic bolt
XD
dusky solar
opinions on broken spearpoint? i think its a fun use
mint coral
At least you have infinite eggs to proc it
acoustic bolt
now i just need to learn FO and i will be a true gamer
latent moon
opinions on broken spearpoint? i think its a fun use
never used it other than to max it
patent mesa
opinions on broken spearpoint? i think its a fun use
it's pretty good
mint coral
opinions on broken spearpoint? i think its a fun use
Seen it recommended for poison issues or em4
But never found the appeal
patent mesa
yeah it hard counters styx if you're having issues with that
dusky solar
i like it a lot, provides lots of safety and is op for hell mode's unique pact
mint coral
PL is free
latent moon
just dont get wombo comboed
mint coral
Until you eat a ely witch attack
patent mesa
no it sucks
mint coral
Then is not
dusky solar
i think ill make this elysium with the pom blossom
latent moon
Until you eat a ely witch attack
big "hs is free until you get potted" energy
acoustic bolt
i think ill make this elysium with the pom blossom
my favorite keepsake for elysium is hourglass
dusky solar
hourglass was my first keepsake and i still love it
mint coral
Hourglass is so good
latent moon
touch of styx lasting all the way to dad is so nice
acoustic bolt
the fact that you get the benefit before ely AND before styx
latent moon
here's another cast for like 60 or something
patent mesa
hourglass is also cracked for casual play I remember
the healing item is incredible on it
mint coral
Lc4 nourished soul
dusky solar
aaah,,,,
ow
im getting to like 8 heat and im ALREADY feeling like i need stubborn
wth
mint coral
Also fists moment
acoustic bolt
is that ares call
dusky solar
i was always clutching crappy runs at like 6 heat, what the hell happened to me
dusky solar
is that ares call
yeah, it was epic and the other two were crap
mint coral
im getting to like 8 heat and im ALREADY feeling like i need stubborn
I mean if you feel your bossing is clesm but rooms are a teouble feel free
dusky solar
Start practicing FO early
okay, ill try
latent moon
That's what I would do tbh lol
acoustic bolt
what are FO speeder aggressive bowmen like
dusky solar
i hate how the boss of elysium is objectively easier than the regular rooms in elysium
latent moon
It'll suck but it'll soon become second nature and make you dodge normal dad swings early and make you take 40 damage
latent moon
what are FO speeder aggressive bowmen like
very fast
acoustic bolt
speeder aggressive bowmen already curbstomp me without being 40% angrier
imagine if the champs acted like the other elysium mobs and you had to kill their cloud souls or they'd just respawn
dusky solar
i used to have trouble with dad sweep until i got used to the fact that he held it first until the heat death of the universe
now im gonna struggle a lot more unlearning the timing
and i got it down so well because i use ruthless
ruthless is still better
acoustic bolt
honestly
latent moon
This is why ruthless reflex kinda doodoo lmao
latent moon
1 dash on fresh file was so painful
I can't imagine always having 1 dash
2 gives so much more mobility and ease of dodge
dusky solar
but the DAMAGE man, the DAMAGE
and the dodge chance is there too
okay
letss put the fists down for a bit
what do i still have on low heat...
oh hey spear is on 4
latent moon
The dodge chance can be 100% with a second dash lmao
And I'd rather be alive than deal more damage
dusky solar
if i use 1 dash for long enough ill get good at it and then ill just be better and stronger than all the unbased greater reflex users
dusky solar
but its fun
latent moon
Staying alive and winning is also fun
latent moon
True
dusky solar
but its fun
(laugh at this user, they are too stubborn to change their mind once theyve decided to do something objectively harder just because its stronger on paper)
ah
AH
i was screwing around with tidal dash and COMPLETELY forgot i had a weapon
i pressed left click and scared myself
acoustic bolt
you can think things are fun but i'm pretty sure most people here don't think one dash is fun
dusky solar
i think one dash is enough, and if i make my journey harder, so be it
surreal vector
indeed some don't like to dash at all and one dash is one too many
dusky solar
it just means if i start clearing high heat with it yall will eat your words
tepid light
ruthless reflex is the one that gives you only one dash but gives you bonuses if you dodge things with the dash right
acoustic bolt
i just dont' think it's "stronger on paper" at all
especially once you consider forced overtime and EM3-4
tepid light
see, there's two types of 'hard' when it comes to difficulty: you can either a) make the enemies stronger, or b) make yourself weaker
and it's much easier for the latter to feel awful than the former
latent moon
1 dash is gonna screw you over against fo2 em3
dusky solar
ruthless reflex is the one that gives you only one dash but gives you bonuses if...
if you dodge just narrowly from a hit, gain 30% damage and some dodge chance
latent moon
You can get away with 1 dash on shield but not much on the others
acoustic bolt
that 30% is really only powerful with flat damage sources too
not doing a hell of a lot for aphro attack or something
dusky solar
its 30% damage, you really cant complain about it
i mean think of it this way, 30% is still the same amount increase wether its on an aphro attack or on a zeus attack, no?
acoustic bolt
nope
acoustic bolt
it's extremely different.
dusky solar
but its the same amount vs a different percent attack boon
latent moon
Aphro and zeus are extremely different considering one is % and the other is flat
acoustic bolt
30% of a sword attack is always going to be the same. 30% of a flat damage source can be much bigger after poms
dusky solar
are we sure its additive and not multiplicative?
dusky solar
PLEASE I WANT AN ATTACK BOON IM BEGGING YOU
latent moon
Say aphro does 100% damage, base 100, with ruthless that does like 230 I think
Say Zeus does 50, with ruthless that's like 65 or something
dusky solar
i REALLY dont want a pos attack but at this point even though im on spear i give up on getting anything better
tepid light
pos attack is hardly the worst thing in the world
latent moon
are we sure its additive and not multiplicative?
I think the only % that's multiplicative is speed lmao
latent moon
pos attack is hardly the worst thing in the world
Not me taking tempest strike on fresh file bow to proc beaver easier
tepid light
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934969306842791946/1012616811440767026/un...
how is that 'terrible,' you've got an epic attack boon and you're only 12 chambers in
latent moon
Found arty atk replacement so that was nice lol
spice hare
you have time to screenshot in the mid of a boss fight
surreal vector
i think it's 50 and 50 increase, ppl often take for gilga, some on beo. can be rough on ap2 due to lower chance on greater reflex
tepid light
pos attack really isn't that bad
spice hare
oh wait i thought it was 14
dusky solar
how is that 'terrible,' you've got an epic attack boon and you're only 12 chambe...
well NOW its not bad but i had no attack boon until that exact chamber
acoustic bolt
c22 and i still don't have an attack XD
latent moon
It do be like that
tepid light
well NOW its not bad but i had no attack boon until that exact chamber
you'll be fine
latent moon
Just sell off tempest strike lmao
dusky solar
yeah i was under the presumption that ruthless was one of those %s that add to the global additive, not to the ability additive.
dusky solar
i usually just run with it, thats how i do
tepid light
i'm mostly speaking to banana
dusky solar
but oh god im never going pos strike sword again
latent moon
Never go pos strike ever
tepid light
aspect of hating poseidon
dusky solar
now THATS what i call a boon
tepid light
what does beaver refer to
latent moon
Breaking wave
tepid light
how did that become 'beaver'
dusky solar
oh my god alecto is the worst fury
latent moon
Someone made a typo
latent moon
oh my god alecto is the worst fury
Just kill her fast lmao
tepid light
4head
dusky solar
i try but then i take damage from whichever EM gal is there
latent moon
Don't get hit then idk
tepid light
you're so helpful
latent moon
Thanks
tepid light
i try but then i take damage from whichever EM gal is there
are you doing em4
dusky solar
are you doing em4
no, just 1
tepid light
WEAK
latent moon
Em4 with 1 dash 💀
dusky solar
so far pom blossom has made tidal dash lvl 5 and NOTHING else. wonderful.
latent moon
This is why mom pom is not good
acoustic bolt
dusky solar
well its good in my opinion, just has some bad moments is all
dusky solar
cant really argue with a free pom every 4 chmbers, can you?
tepid light
Not doing em4 is just practical idk what you're on about lmao
what does 'practical' mean here
if you're the type of person who wants to challenge themselves more, playing em4 is perfectly understandable
latent moon
I mean sure but if you're just trying to go up heat em4 is not the way to go lmao
tepid light
I mean sure but if you're just trying to go up heat em4 is not the way to go lma...
why not
latent moon
If you just want to clear 10 heat you can easily take easy pacts to fill that req
dusky solar
oh my GOD power couple just took out an entire health bar
latent moon
Taking em4 won't guarantee you a win even if you've been practicing on it, it's just insanely difficult and can be avoided until literally 50 heat
Yes em4 gives you a good challenge but for casual players if you just want to climb heat then em4 should never be taken unless you just want to try it or something
dusky solar
how did i-
pom blossom, would you like to explain why all my useless boons are level 4
latent moon
This is why we do not take mom pom unless you're doing a 1 boon run
dusky solar
oh, urge to kill is level 4 tho
tepid light
I'll just answer this based on my own preference
As I've said before, the reason why I started em4 right at 10 heat is because I was already getting too used to the regular fights, and wanted something more challenging
Sure, I could just fill the 10 heat requirement with miscellaneous other modifiers, but then it'd feel far less satisfying to win, and the boss fights would more or less be just as easy as they were before
And from a practical standpoint, if I'm going to have to activate it eventually at higher heat levels, I may as well get accustomed to it now; I'm not particularly interested in putting off the hard part, and would rather just learn it now
I don't "just want to climb heat," I want to actually set challenging obstacles for myself and overcome them
latent moon
I already know your reason for running em4 it's just not a great idea telling other people to run it lmao
tepid light
Oh in this case I'm just bullying stella for no good reason
me shouting "WEAK" at someone in all caps should not be taken seriously
latent moon
Lmfao
dusky solar
its too late, ive already started my villain arc
tepid light
its too late, ive already started my villain arc
until you beat em4 mm, you'll never be anything more than a one-episode villain who gets instantly defeated by the protags
dusky solar
i will eat your ribs
latent moon
If you really want a challenge just jump heats lol
latent moon
Go from 10 to 20 to 32 or something lmao
dusky solar
h
latent moon
Jumping heats makes you die more
dusky solar
have none of you been paying attention
dusky solar
i havent even maxed a quarter of the aspects yet
latent moon
have none of you been paying attention
Well the challenge part was mostly towards stereotypical lol
tepid light
banana, help me gaslight stella into doing em4
latent moon
No
dusky solar
i like a challenge, but not pointless difficulty
acoustic bolt
i'm not sure if aspect being maxed has anything to do with lc4
tepid light
i like a challenge, but not pointless difficulty
this from the person who restricts themselves to one dash
dusky solar
it has to do with jumping heats
latent moon
i like a challenge, but not pointless difficulty
Hey you get skelly statues for doing heat it's not completely pointless
acoustic bolt
i'm on 25 heat right now and em4 is terrible and i never want to look at it again
dusky solar
this from the person who restricts themselves to one dash
still gives damage benefits you losers cant handle
tepid light
on a different note, i tried out poseidon sword today
it is really really underwhelming
latent moon
i'm on 25 heat right now and em4 is terrible and i never want to look at it agai...
Just don't do em4 until like 50 heat and even then that's optional esp if you have mods
dusky solar
pos sword is... okay. its good for cast builds, thats about it
tepid light
even for cast builds, it's far clunkier than hera or beo
dusky solar
sword in general fell off for me
latent moon
it is really really underwhelming
It really is
dusky solar
used to be my hands down favorite, now its...
definetely not what i like to use, thats for sure
tepid light
It really is
i honestly wish they'd just let you load your cast into one of its moves like they did for the other cast-based aspects
latent moon
I used to like fists but now they feel awful
tepid light
maybe something like having each of your swings release a cast
latent moon
i honestly wish they'd just let you load your cast into one of its moves like th...
Maybe but also I feel like the only good way to biuld it is lightning phalanx and even then it's still mediocre lol
Loading cast into a sword feels clunky
Or it would be
tepid light
if it was 'cast on swing,' crush shot would be quite fun on it
high island
Crush Shot is great on Poseidon.
dusky solar
one of my old "friends" (who was actually a transphobic butthole) said he thought the shield was a useless weapon and he couldnt even get past asphodel with it, and then he watched me stream beating hades with it and he just went "what, this weapon is just braindead, this is so stupid of course stella is using it"
latent moon
if it was 'cast on swing,' crush shot would be quite fun on it
I feel like if anything it'd be loaded into the special if that's the case
tepid light
I feel like if anything it'd be loaded into the special if that's the case
yeah, most likely
but i'm trying to think of ways they could make it a little different from beo and hera
since the latter two release the casts all at once
dusky solar
he always said something was braindead if i was good at it, but when i moved away from him i realised hes actually just bad at videogames
latent moon
Lmfao amazing
dusky solar
i mean come on, he couldnt even beat asphodel with the shield
tepid light
sounds like a rather awful person tbh
dusky solar
he always talked up his skill but hes actually terrible
latent moon
Low-key shield is kinda brain dead tho it's front facing invincibility except at certain weird angles that shouldn't work
dusky solar
wanna know my favorite thing that happened with him
so
any monster hunter enjoyers here?
tepid light
yeah, shield cheese is how i beat the game the very first time
it didn't feel satisfying at all
latent moon
any monster hunter enjoyers here?
There's another channel for other games somewhere lol
dusky solar
if you are, you know in monster hunter world the insect glaive is kind of straight up garbage, right?
and
high island
dusky solar
i reached an endgame hunt, oft considered the hardest hunt in the entire game, raging brachydios
and
latent moon
yeah, shield cheese is how i beat the game the very first time
Not me "finishing" my first shield run on my 10th clear lmao
tepid light
Not me "finishing" my first shield run on my 10th clear lmao
lmao
latent moon
It was such an awful build
dusky solar
i beat it with the insect glaive whereas he used the greatsword (literally all you do is press one button on that weapon) and he went all out telling me that IG is braindead even though he previously told me i was wasting my time learning it. i felt like a queen in that moment. he is truly filth.
tepid light
second time i beat dad was with spear
and that was the satisfying one
i actually yelled out loud in triumph
dusky solar
my first dad kill was shield, i was really happy.
patent mesa
shield is by far the most based weapon in the game
dusky solar
but yeah that old 'friend' of mine is actually just too stuck up to admit that im better than him at a lot of things that i do
i mean i beat the hardest hunt in the game with the worst weapon, i think he doesnt deserve to say im bad after that
latent moon
Some people do be like that
dusky solar
once i realised the pattern that he only trash talked trans people and congratulated others on even minor achievements, i left him for good
high island
Cool but this is #h1-discussion. 
dusky solar
also while hes good at fighting in league of legends, as soon as hes fed he tries to 1v5 and feeds the hell out of the enemy team and we end up losing about 10% more than usual, so i refuse to play with him anymore
dusky solar
Cool but this is <#520429929721233464>. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
shoot sorry
i have a habit of forgetting what channel im in if everyone has jus tshifted topics in is
acoustic bolt
my daughter is trans but she sucks at hades
dusky solar
tell her to suck it up and become a queen
latent moon
Tell her to git gud
patent mesa
make sure her game is modded
latent moon
Lmfao
dusky solar
specify the become a queen part though that way she will feel good
acoustic bolt
make sure her game is modded
this is kinda funny on multiple levels
she would also appreciate it because she has a dexcom
high island
"Why can't you be more like AngeL1C?"
dusky solar
the only reason id mod my game is to use the speedrun pack to get 2sacks guaranteed so i can actually use TD
latent moon
You can use TD without it
acoustic bolt
there is some fun content outside of it
dusky solar
yeah but i dont like the idea of a run that was clutchable dying because of a 5sack
patent mesa
once you use modded for a bit you realize base game kinda sucks compared to it
do it
dusky solar
i inexplicably only get 2sacks and 5 sacks, often for long strings at a time
high island
TD3 is comfortable with a 5-sack with practice.
dusky solar
wait does TD have a separate timer for each region, or does saved time load onto the next?
patent mesa
carries over
patent mesa
allegedly it used to not do that which made TD3 elysium awful
dusky solar
ima use that now then
latent moon
allegedly it used to not do that which made TD3 elysium awful
Oh that's horrible
acoustic bolt
realizing td3 was free was a proud moment for me
high island
allegedly it used to not do that which made TD3 elysium awful
There was no TD3.
patent mesa
wack
dusky solar
i think i need some rest, ive gone from getting clutch runs to dying in normal rooms, ima put this run on pause and return tomorrow
i didnt ever realise how much it affected me until i played valorant and realised my aim got worse and worse with each game
high island
Problem was 7 min timer in Elysium with overall weaker aspects and no Dark Foresight, and there was still a split between speedrunners and high heat players, we weren't all putting out sub 8 left and right lol. Or even sub 10.
patent mesa
i didnt ever realise how much it affected me until i played valorant and realise...
I'm the opposite, my heat threshold increases with every minute I play
if I play for 48 hours straight I can first try 64 heat
patent mesa
lmao
dusky solar
i think lucifer shouldve been made differently. all the other hidden aspects are noticable slower but more reqarding for the skilled player. lucifer is noticably the same speed, hell even a bit faster than its counterparts and the whole function with its special didnt really take any time at all to get used to
patent mesa
built in vicious cycle but for skill smh
latent moon
i think lucifer shouldve been made differently. all the other hidden aspects are...
Ramp up gimmick funny
patent mesa
idk lucifer is noticeably stickier than the other rails
high island
And the build meta wasn't established really like it is now. You could make a splash on the leaderboard by being better at discovering builds. Nowadays that's a largely useless skill when everyone can just copy meta builds lol.
Not a bad thing, just a natural evolution.
dusky solar
thats just because you see its path directly, other rails have the same aim assist feature, and ive noticed it myself using them
in every game i play my favorite thing to do is to become the off meta
thats probably why i love gilgamesh and chaos shield and such
though i loved the chaos shield even before i knew about the hades meta
i genuinely like talos, and gilga, and hades, and zagbow.
latent moon
The only valid aspect here is zag bow
patent mesa
liking talos chaos gilga and hades is def the peak of off meta
dusky solar
allof the aspects are valid and you are cringe
latent moon
I mean all aspects are doable at 50 heat it's just a matter of how many tries it takes lmao
patent mesa
tbh I've come to the conclusion that talos is still the worst of all the aspects overall
gilga at least has splash RR and unique ME stuff going for it
talos is just demeter but clunkier and strictly worse
with dem already not being a top aspect compared to the rest
dusky solar
i respect all forms of playstyles in every game, even in a team game. the only requirement in team games though is that you dont feed in doing weird picks, if it works then i couldnt care less about what you are doing as long as i can focus on my gameplay and we can work together in the end
tepid light
this talos slander upsets me
latent moon
Good
Why deal more damage against 1 enemy with Talos when you can have a nuke every few hits
dusky solar
talos giving you a 50% damage increase passively: "why do you do the things that you choose to do, to me?"
latent moon
Not nuke more like small bomb
latent moon
talos giving you a 50% damage increase passively: "why do you do the things that...
It's more like, activating the gimmick just sucks
latent moon
And that it's just the atk right
dusky solar
nah its for attack and cast
patent mesa
the buff to attack is largely useless unless you have the slow punch hammer
and cast buff is good but achilles is absurdly better
tepid light
talos is a what
dusky solar
the buff to attack is largely useless unless you have the slow punch hammer
are not most aspects commonly considered poor until you find synergizing hammers?
acoustic bolt
definitely just beat dad after finishing elysium with 1 health and 0 time
high island
Talos enables some fun, unique builds. Still bottom tier, but you can do fun things with it.
patent mesa
are not most aspects commonly considered poor until you find synergizing hammers...
well the slow punch hammer has its own issues
latent moon
talos is a what
Technically a castpect because it makes casts do more damage
tepid light
I'm restraining myself from going into a big tirade about casual/hardcore gaming stuff
patent mesa
and the other fists aren't subservient to a particular hammer as much
tepid light
My time in the Darkest Dungeon community has given me very low patience in regards to those kinds of discussions
patent mesa
they all adore breaching cross but not to the level of needing it to function
which an attack based talos build would
latent moon
Demeter loves explosive upper but also not needed
dusky solar
there are a plethora of options for every aspect if you ask me, i just think it takes the right mindset to use them.
tepid light
Technically a castpect because it makes casts do more damage
i could never see myself playing talos as a castpect tbh
patent mesa
but there are pretty severe viability differences between them I believe
tepid light
too busy punching stuff as god intended
patent mesa
and they shouldn't be ignored
dusky solar
talos is mathematically a tehcnically better castpect than poseidons
latent moon
too busy punching stuff as god intended
Fair lmao
dusky solar
because it offers the same cast damage but its not a sword and thus doesnt suck
high island
I don't know what math you're doing, but Poseidon is way stronger than Talos. 
acoustic bolt
that whole immediately getting your casts back is pretty important
tepid light
i'm willing to believe that on paper, poseidon would still be a far better castspect than talos
patent mesa
yeah I don't think a fists should be accusing other weapon classes of being fundamentally flawed lol
latent moon
Sword has funny special dash gimmick that dislodges casts easily
tepid light
but in execution, poseidon is still infinitely clunkier than talos
high island
that whole immediately getting your casts back is pretty important
Not really because enemies should just be dead and drop them back immediately anyway in a strong Cast build.
tepid light
Not really because enemies should just be dead and drop them back immediately an...
bosses.
latent moon
Just insta-phase them as one does
high island
Yep.
patent mesa
beo sweep
acoustic bolt
Not really because enemies should just be dead and drop them back immediately an...
nah see you just never get the duos to accomplish this like me and you have to actually cast multiple times
latent moon
Heck yeah buddy
high island
You don't need Duo Boons for that. Mainly just a good Cast and poms.
Braid etc. helps, of course.
dusky solar
calisthenics program :40benadryl:
patent mesa
poseidon desperately trying to special enemies to get dps back while bugwulf instaphasing bosses and immediately getting casts back
balanced aspects
latent moon
calisthenics program :40benadryl:
Just dont take that pact
Cp unironically one of the worst pacts lol
acoustic bolt
Braid etc. helps, of course.
how good because lvl 7 phalanx shot with braid and 34% extra cast damage wasn't one shotting things
dusky solar
so basically, what if
tepid light
But yeah i generally hate the "this thing is bad at high level, so it's bad in general" take
Sure, some aspects are just objectively weak
But most players aren't intense high-heat pushers, and should be allowed to just use what they want
dusky solar
nvm im tired and its 4am im gonna sleep
dusky solar
But yeah i generally hate the "this thing is bad at high level, so it's bad in g...
preach brother
high island
But yeah i generally hate the "this thing is bad at high level, so it's bad in g...
You're the only one making it about being "allowed" to use or whatever tbh.
Chill.
tepid light
You're the only one making it about being "allowed" to use or whatever tbh.
I'm not upset or angry at the moment, mind you.
dusky solar
im pretty sure hes joking when he is gatekeeping people for their aspect choices
high island
Saying Talos sucks isn't gatekeeping anyway. Most of the "hardcore" players play pretty much all of the aspects.
tepid light
I suppose you could consider this my very late rebuttal to yesterday's discussion.
patent mesa
yeah I get the sentiment but no one is saying you're not allowed to use an aspect
high island
We say Talos sucks because it sucks.
patent mesa
it's just legitimate discussion on viability
which shouldn't be shut down just because a newbie likes the aspect
tepid light
We say Talos sucks because it sucks.
See, this is the type of thing that gets me, even if I perfectly well realize that you're not saying people shouldn't use it
high island
I love Talos and it's fun, but it's bad relative to the other aspects.
dusky solar
im a noob, but im proud of my choices. id rather have a harder time than live knowing i abused the meta.
my ultimate goal in life is to make face on leaderboards while doing something nobody else has
high island
To be honest, I don't really care if it gets to you. A game will have good weapons and bad weapons. They're all perfectly viable for most of the stuff that most people do in the game, but that doesn't change that some weapon aspects are just worse at it than others.
If pointing that out gets to you, that's not my fault.
dusky solar
nah that doesnt bother me. it just motivates me to do what i do best even more.
patent mesa
yeah that's when the script gets flipped and cold hard facts get shut down wrongfully for me
dusky solar
i live to prove others wrong.
patent mesa
it happens a lot on the sub
you can't say anything about meta or viability without people going "well actually" or "idk man" or "meta abusers suck"
latent moon
my ultimate goal in life is to make face on leaderboards while doing something n...
If you do an all aspects speed run you're guaranteed top 10
tepid light
you can't say anything about meta or viability without people going "well actual...
I'm willing to bet that's how I come off at the current moment
dusky solar
i mean yeah, but i feel that its my place to be the voice that challenges a meta.
latent moon
Thunder flare beo time
patent mesa
frankly with thunder flare I'd just force arty attack then pick up rod
tepid light
To be honest, I don't really care if it gets to you. A game will have good weapo...
But I guess what I'm saying here is that such a statement can go both ways. Yes, you can say 'although all weapons are viable for most stuff, some weapons are just objectively better than others,' but you can also perfectly well say 'although some weapons are objectively better than others on the numbers, they're all generally viable for most of what people do.'
patent mesa
I've become more and more a fan of rod over time
tepid light
I'm not demanding you apologize for hurting my feelings or whatever.
patent mesa
it really is a sneaky fantastic boon
acoustic bolt
i loved rod the moment i first saw it
latent moon
Rod gaming
acoustic bolt
i always want to play with rod
tepid light
yeah i took lightning rod on a run earlier today, and i finally realized just how great it is
patent mesa
it's nice in ely when you're low health with no SD up and panicking against BP2 shieldbros
tepid light
big field of free, constant zap
i just surrounded dad with a triangle of casts, and watched him get electric barbequed
while i ran around like a scared little mouse
high island
i mean yeah, but i feel that its my place to be the voice that challenges a meta...
All of the meta builds now weren't meta when we discovered them. People just ended up copying whatever worked best for us. (And sometimes they copy our meme ideas like "super soaker".) 
But if you want to actually challenge and push the meta, you gotta learn the meta. There's not really gonna be any groundbreaking discoveries anymore, though. Nowadays you can at best show people that some build they thought was bad isn't quite as bad as they think. Otherwise it's just very minor optimizations like what t2 boon to prioritize when given the choice...
tepid light
That sounds pretty hilarious
high island
It's pretty awful tbh until you get Sea Storm, then it's actually pretty good. Well, the damage is awful initially.
tepid light
I guess the idea there is that you're just constantly shoving enemies against a wall and constantly rupturing/shocking them
short glen
Does the fishing rod boon ever show back up or was that a one time only thing?
high island
Tempest Strike has the worst % bonus on Attack and genuinely pointless pom & rarity scaling because of it lol.
patent mesa
Does the fishing rod boon ever show back up or was that a one time only thing?
yeah it's just a regular legendary after that
short glen
I see. Guess I don't use him enough for it to show up lmao
patent mesa
yeah I almost never see it
tepid light
I don't think I've seen the fishing one once since I first got it
Though I've gotten poseidon's other legendary numerous times
void vigil
i see it often enough, since i go for darkness boons and pick poseidon every run
high island
I guess the idea there is that you're just constantly shoving enemies against a ...
The idea tbh is just simply shooting everything with a fire hose lol. The rest was just slapping Sea Storm on it because you already have Poseidon anyway.
tepid light
The idea tbh is just simply shooting everything with a fire hose lol. The rest w...
Sounds about right lmao
i do enjoy messing around with builds, but i realize that at some point the heat'll be high enough that i can't really afford to just run whatever
patent mesa
we can't all be retrash
tepid light
in which case i'll probably just pick a 'safe' heat level to do fun messing-around stuff with
high island
You can still do pretty much whatever up to like 50ish.
patent mesa
40 is a good heat to meme around on if you have decent fundamentals
high island
we can't all be retrash
Retrash was always a bit ahead of the meta tbh as far as builds go. And obviously an exceptional player otherwise, too.
patent mesa
you have the hard chambers and such but no awful bs pacts like EM4 AP2 RI
high island
Top high heat player.
tepid light
ahhhh
I thought that was a term for a build
Good to know
iirc, the current highest heat clear is 63, and no one has done 64 yet?
patent mesa
retrash is the term for resetting a bad pace speedrun and getting an even worse run
tepid light
retrash is the term for resetting a bad pace speedrun and getting an even worse ...
pain
patent mesa
and yeah 63 was done, 64 almost by same person
note that 63 was done on a modded version with an extra mod on top of it
tepid light
and 64 is the highest possible heat, right?
patent mesa
you bet
short glen
creates a more heat mod to Speedrun 98 heat. Dies chamber 1
tepid light
*creates a more heat mod to Speedrun 98 heat. Dies chamber 1*
69 heat
high island
Well, "Retrash build" is basically a meme term for "I have absolutely no idea why that build worked as well as it did" because he has a tendency to win his runs with things that were considered bad lol... and probably with a better time than you when you had like all the best pieces.
high island
Mama, I want to be a retrash when i grow up
@lilac pumice you have a new fan. 
tepid light
@lilac pumice teach me how to be like you
high island
You can watch his runs on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you're curious.
tepid light
Ty for the suggestion, might do that if I have a spare moment
But yeah similar to just messing around with builds in general, it's been fun to see how certain different boons interact with each other
Like Ravenous Will with the load-cast of hera/beo
high island
Yeah, I always loved that about Hades.
tepid light
Similarly, how Ravenous Will works with Support Fire
short glen
How does support fire work with it? Or load-cast?
tepid light
How does support fire work with it? Or load-cast?
While all your casts are loaded into your next attack, you gain the ravenous will bonus, because technically you don't have any casts during that time
And with support fire, what happens is that each time you load a cast into your attack, one of the arrows is fired as if you'd thrown a regular cast
high island
I think the main reason I haven't played since March (and that was also just for 1–2 runs) is there isn't really anything left for me to discover at this point.
short glen
While all your casts are loaded into your next attack, you gain the ravenous wil...
I see
tepid light
I think the main reason I haven't played since March (and that was also just for...
I'll probably get to that point as well eventually, not for a while though lmao
high island
Yeah not for awhile lol.
tepid light
Even though I only recently got Hades, I was at one point avidly keeping up with its development back in the early stages
When most of the npc's had placeholder models
And the farthest you could get was the fury fight
high island
I've seen like virtually every victory screen in #h1-victory-boasting.
And it's been a long time since I've seen anything new. 
tepid light
Did you know that if you fire 4 shots with eris rail into the left wall in chamber 69 and then sing the battle hymn of the republic at the top of your lungs irl, you unlock a secret new region
high island
Yep.
tepid light
dang, you really know this game in and out
high island
If you have Flying Cutter and hold your Special for long enough, Zag will shout "Up, up and away!" and fly directly to the surface.
tepid light
if you have zag stand in front of hades in the house and play All Star by Smash Mouth on repeat, eventually hades gets sick of it and throws Gigaros through the screen at you, killing you instantly
high island
That's a common myth. Doesn't actually work.
tepid light
And here I was with my 24 hour version of All Star all loaded and ready
high island
Proof: my friend was gonna try it and prove to me that it's real, and I've never heard back from her.
hardy spear
if you pet cerberus 10 times you get an achievement
high island
So obviously it's fake.
tepid light
Lmao
Honestly that spear throw is most of the reason why em4 dad keeps destroying me
it keeps catching me off guard, and the damage is horrifying
raw herald
I think the main reason I haven't played since March (and that was also just for...
get a sub 7
high island
it keeps catching me off guard, and the damage is horrifying
Watch Retrash for EM4 tactics.
You could give that man a toothpick and he'll beat EM4 with it.
While somehow beating him faster than you.
tepid light
I think it's really just a matter of practicing more and learning it better
I used to think regular hades was very difficult, and here I am now
So I'm confident that I'll be able to do it smoothly eventually, even if it takes some time
high island
get a sub 7
I never cared too much for resetting for speedruns. I think in total I've spent maybe 14 days doing speedruns.
Well, probably a little more than that but not much.
high island
I think it's really just a matter of practicing more and learning it better
Seeing the best players at it can help you see your own mistakes more clearly.
Since you'll have a reference to model your play after.
Of course it's still gonna take a lot of practice to get anywhere near as good.
raw herald
No-reset runs are fun
tepid light
Seeing the best players at it can help you see your own mistakes more clearly.
You're right of course, but as you said I'll have to play and practice things with my own hands to really get it down
And it's often a bit hard to notice exactly what a player is doing 'right' until you try the thing yourself and realize where you're struggling
high island
My last speedrun goal was consistent sub 8s, and I got that and an average of 7:40 and one 7:00 that I wasn't trying for. Good enough for me.
My L1 button broke anyway, so I wouldn't be playing Hera even if I wanted to play Hades.
hardy spear
the modded wr is 4:49
wraith sand
the modded wr is 4:49
lean timber
talos is mathematically a tehcnically better castpect than poseidons
holy based
unfathomably
i can't even comprehend this take
karmic gulch
mint coral
Rats do be strong
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that 30% is really only powerful with flat damage sources too
wait isnt it 50%
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Yeah
lean timber
only at max of course 
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yeah I guess that's it
I did Achilles hunting blades earlier
got lucky enough to get HB before Theseus
but a lot of the fights before that was mostly Achilles and less Slicing shot
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oh poseidon sucks
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even with the dislodge, it was pretty sluggish
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yeah aside from hera or beo achilles is really the only good castspect
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the thing that really killed it for me
when my bloodstone was stuck on Lernie
I can't dislodge it while he's invincible
which slowed me down even further
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yeah
snow skiff
the dislodge in practice is very useless on poseidon
a good cast build kills everything anyway so that you don't need to dislodge
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the only real downside with Beo is the "speed" of the shield itself
but it's rather fast if you think about the sum of its strengths
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beo is the fastest aspect in the game lol
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yeah I know
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the aoe on it is just so good
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it's just that at first glance
the shield feels slow and clunky
but in practice
it does work
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fair enough
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only at max of course <:SCsmug:665881472875626507>
Ruthless only has 1 lvl
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are you dash striking into bullrushes?
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Is the same as greater reflex
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ok good
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when my bloodstone was stuck on Lernie
Yeah need to plan around lernie phasing
Or get quick reload
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Ask then
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which weapons have the most sought after hammers?
the 2nd question's slipping my mind rn
oh right
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meaning like the ones that impact the run the most?
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is Hermes' legendary any good?
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meaning like the ones that impact the run the most?
yeah
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the one where the bloodstone auto returns
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eh
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Is a nice QoL
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not really
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But not much
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I keep getting it offered
because I'm playing with lambent plume
and having a good amount of success btw
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Are you on god's pride
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it's fun to practice with provided I have my boons on the ready
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Are you on god's pride
sometimes, when I'm doing something like ME or HB
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I mean while running plume
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Cuz that means you are hitting a 1% chance
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bow is the most hammer reliant but its balanced out by the fact that it has so many good hammers
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If you dont take hermes with nectar/rarity boost lol