h1-discussion

[latent moon]

Oh fresh file run?

Barge gaming

[rustic vale]

Ohh

Gaming

Sending good luck find ME

[warm nimbus]

yeah its zag sword week

wtf is this lernie arena

[latent moon]

Week? Gl buddy

[latent moon]

Lmfao non em2 moment

[signal aspen]

Speedcord stuff

We got aspect of the week over there

[latent moon]

Oh I havent been paying attention to anything there lmao

[signal aspen]

🗿

[rustic vale]

Hoping and praying for splitting headache

[warm nimbus]

bruh em0 fo0 lernie is so easy wtf

[rustic vale]

Why is dad throwing teleporting flame wheels at me in erebus

I mean I won though but still

[warm nimbus]

i dont have enough cores for that

[rustic vale]

I was talking about myself

[warm nimbus]

oh

lmao

[rustic vale]

For my shackle eris run

I have drunk dash and arte call

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1008931038011084942/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

yoooo

ME

[rustic vale]

Yoooo

[lean timber]

i used to always get clipped by the head slam hitbox because there's one when he raises his head and it doesn't really match the visual

[rustic vale]

nice free win

[lean timber]

yo YOOOO

[signal aspen]

Discord curse coming in soon

[warm nimbus]

i wish

[warm nimbus]

bruh im not planning on winning

i dont know how to do ff dad fight

[signal aspen]

Just kill him

[rustic vale]

Just win

[lean timber]

tbh literally

there's no difference

[warm nimbus]

also athena or arty midboss

[signal aspen]

Athena for dd

[rustic vale]

Arte cast for deadly reversal hheheheheheheheheh

[lean timber]

heheheha

[warm nimbus]

wait you can get athena dd?

[lean timber]

nah you want dd

[signal aspen]

No

But

[warm nimbus]

lmao didnt think so

[signal aspen]

It's be funny

[lean timber]

no you can get it trust

[warm nimbus]

[lean timber]

[warm nimbus]

so arty for pp?

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[lean timber]

prolly

[warm nimbus]

pls no asterius

[signal aspen]

It's bullman

[rustic vale]

Arte for deadly reversal 💪

[warm nimbus]

bball

lets go

[signal aspen]

Cheating

[lean timber]

let's gooooo

[warm nimbus]

epic pressure points

[signal aspen]

Cheating

[warm nimbus]

lmao true

[lean timber]

i tried ff a while ago and didn't get very far. perhaps i will retry soon...

[rustic vale]

Turn off your cheat engine

[warm nimbus]

lmao 720 doom proc gaming

[rustic vale]

That’s called an ff win

[lean timber]

fgaming

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1008932694199119942/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

wish me luck lmao

prob gonna die

[rustic vale]

You’re gonna win

Believe

My max hp is making me uncomfy rn

[warm nimbus]

i died rip

nearly killed asterius though

[latent moon]

Should've just killed him

[warm nimbus]

good idea

im going to try that again tbh that was really fun lol

[rustic vale]

Rate my current strat: use cluster bomb special and hangover to charge full call then get eris buff and arte call on their face

I think it’s like a

2/10

[snow skiff]

How do you not get hit by absolutely mistiming everything wtf

[warm nimbus]

because its literally that slow

[snow skiff]

Em0 was probably helping more

The arena is absolutely massive and makes it 0 iq

[signal aspen]

Pace was dead anyway smh

[warm nimbus]

im not recording or using livesplit so i have no idea what my rta is lmao

[snow skiff]

Fresh file sux

[signal aspen]

11 mins igt = 30 min rta

Rule of thumb

[snow skiff]

No gr impossible

[snow skiff]

Jesus christ i forgot how much nothing you get in fresh file

[warm nimbus]

yeah lmao

its really fun though i highly recommend

[snow skiff]

Last time i tried that i died to meg

Not joking

[signal aspen]

Bruh

You got divine dash how do you die

[snow skiff]

I kept trying to dash twice

[warm nimbus]

fresh file hard who knew

[topaz flicker]

My Giclée prints came in and it turns out I coulda just hopped down the road to where they were made

(I mean, probably not really but its amusing)

[snow skiff]

I also walked into like

6 traps

Because i thought i could dash twice

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1008936296254799952/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

lmao

[snow skiff]

Is that real

I genuinely can't tell

[warm nimbus]

yes

[snow skiff]

Bruhh

Fresh file weird as hell

Is that like a triple exit room

[rustic vale]

Gmm

[snow skiff]

Except the only permanent upgrades you have available are darkness and keys

[rustic vale]

Have you never seen triple exit room

[snow skiff]

So it fills in the last one with food

[rustic vale]

Oh

Lol what

[warm nimbus]

ye

[rustic vale]

Ok it’s legit just demeter and beowulf left for my shackle runs

Which one to do first hmm

[snow skiff]

Beo 32

Shackle

[lean timber]

nah best for last do dem

[rustic vale]

The thing is

My rng

Is leaning me towards beo

My current seed is arte start and demeter gets nothing from arte

[lean timber]

erm... hunter dash? true shot?? MARKED??

(trolling)

[rustic vale]

Hunter dash 🤨 on dem

True shot on shackle 🤨

[lean timber]

pressure points

[rustic vale]

Plus chaos c2

We going full attack beowulf rn

[lean timber]

bro is smoking somethin

[rustic vale]

Omg

Nevermind

Heroic pos dash

c7

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1008939543543693382/IMG_2075.jpg

C7

[lean timber]

bro

[rustic vale]

Charged shot next hammer

This is truly gaming

+4% attack damage bonus from bouldy

Blessed run

Walking into asphodel with +168% attack damage (+268% with cast loaded) and charged shot and heroic splash dash

Like holy

[latent moon]

Shackle beo gaming

[elder bay]

no reason to leave it all to dusa, right?

[rustic vale]

Be a cool person

Help dusa

[lean timber]

hey shackle are you going to run your own 32 pact or do you want to run the same one i did

[rustic vale]

Hmm

I guess I’ll try yours

@lean timber

[lean timber]

OK. i ran HL5, LC4, JS1, EM2, CP1, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, TD2 for my first one

[rustic vale]

Anyways

I’m going to finish up shackle dem

[lean timber]

not done yet?

[rustic vale]

Then try that

[lean timber]

what timezone are you in anyway 🗿

[rustic vale]

After I finished with beowulf I went and got food

Uh

Est

[lean timber]

mmm yummy

[rustic vale]

It’s like 00:56 rn

[lean timber]

lol me too. late night

[rustic vale]

Sweet nectar is bugged right

To be better

[latent moon]

what does that do? +1 on poms?

[rustic vale]

yeah

I just double checked the hades bug sheet

Uh

Are pom slices specifically meaning the ones that give a level to a random boon

[latent moon]

yeah those should be pom slices

[rustic vale]

Neat

So those apply double the bonus first bonus

but it’s random

[rustic vale]

I’m too tired to flcus on winning maybe it won’t happen. Tonight

[lean timber]

no rush. just interested on how it goes for you 🙂

[lean timber]

what does this mean? and where is that bug sheet again

[rustic vale]

So uh

Instead of giving it 2 levels

It still does that

But the first bonus is used for both levels

[lean timber]

ohhh so no degrading returns for it at all

for that slice of course

p nice

[rustic vale]

“Instead of just increasing the boon’s level by two, it adds the benefit from the first level twice”

-bug sheet

[rustic vale]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[lean timber]

perfect. thanks

[latent moon]

wait that's lowkey busted lmao

[rustic vale]

only on the pom slices though

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

so the only control you have is how many pommables you have

[latent moon]

just get good rng lol

[lean timber]

pom slices are kind of rare

for me at least

don't know their spawn % chance

feels pretty low, maybe 15% per slot?

wiki of course doesn't say

[austere loom]

that dread when the boons you're looking for aren't popping up

lost a good amount of DDs early because neither Trippy shot or Crush Shot were appearing

[latent moon]

For what build

[lean timber]

i'm in the wiki spreading misinformation

[austere loom]

hera bow

[lean timber]

ok i'm tired of doing test runs and not changing my pact off 40. does dodging still cause revenge to trigger?

[high island]

Nope.

[lean timber]

ok

[magic wave]

What files are responsible for localization?

I just want to try myself

[elder bay]

i let her keep it cause like "oh i can't hit on you, gimme back my gifts!"

[steep bobcat]

I had a dream in which like 7 new gods were added and one of them was miss fortune from league of legends

Idk why

But it was kinda cool

[keen raven]

the #hades-faq says you cant copy gamepass save to steam
but on the subreddit I found a post which helped me copy the saves

[pulsar hemlock]

Can somebody tell me why I'm not getting the hidden aspect for the spear? .-.

[warm nimbus]

if youve already met all the prerequisites then its just dialogue rng

[pulsar hemlock]

So it doesn't just appear after a run, but I can end up doing hundreds of runs before getting it? .-.

[jagged wadi]

it is not that great, don't worry

you'll get it eventually

[pulsar hemlock]

The point was to get it asap, not sometime, though

[jagged wadi]

if not you can check the wiki

I bet you can find some info about it there

can't remember how you unlock it

[pulsar hemlock]

I think it's spend 5 titan blood on an aspect that isn't Zagreus', and then reach the final boss 🤔

[warm nimbus]

it wont be hundreds lol

but it might take a while

[mint coral]

Unlock 5 aspects across all weapons that are non zagreus ones, have list of minor prophecies and reach final boss

[pulsar hemlock]

Oh, might be the 5 aspects I need, then. Haven't gotten that many blood yet

[warm nimbus]

yeah the requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[pulsar hemlock]

Got the 5th aspect (non-zag), so now I should be able to unlock the dialogue after I reach Hades, yeah?

[warm nimbus]

mhm

[pulsar hemlock]

Just gotta hope this run succeeds, though... Seems like I'm a bit unlucky in the first area

Also, thanks for the help

[mint coral]

Have you reached hades before?

As in have dem unlocked

[pulsar hemlock]

Well, I'm trying to practice on EM4, so, yeah

Everything every other boss is pretty much easy compared to Hades, lol

[mint coral]

Then you have all the requisites already

Dont need to reach dad each time for a chance at dialogue

[pulsar hemlock]

I need to reach him before unlocking the dialogue, after getting the other requirements, no?

Man, this run is some BS. Not a single useful boon, and now I'm just gonna waste an entire run to lose at Hades, how fan-friggin-tastic 🙄

[mint coral]

The requisite is reach hades at least once

[pulsar hemlock]

When RNG can make a great game feel like the worst BS ever made...

[lean timber]

purchased every single work order, even the music. resource director time

[pulsar hemlock]

When you forget your Chaos punishment and chooses obols as a reward .-.

[lean timber]

ah yes, the rewardless chamber

[jagged wadi]

can we talk about Dionysus thighs like GODAMN

[quaint grail]

i cant decide if i want him or if i want to be him

[jagged wadi]

this game is a curse and a blessing at the same time for bisexuals

[quaint grail]

TRUTH

[jagged wadi]

😩

[shadow sleet]

my characters have no audio when they talk how do i fix that

[quaint grail]

meg and thanatos' existence alone is a pain for bisexuals

[jagged wadi]

hhhh

[quaint grail]

what platform

[shadow sleet]

pc

[quaint grail]

verify the integrity

[jagged wadi]

have you tried verifying the integrity of files?

yeah

[quaint grail]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0C48-FCBD-DA71-93EB

[shadow sleet]

ill try now

like everything works but the character audios

i didn't even know there was character audio until i watched a vid

and saw they were actually talking

[quaint grail]

lmfao man

[latent yacht]

i feel sorry for you

because the dub is amazing

so uh

https://imgur.com/a/guZ5Mlr

i caught way more than 18 fish

[quaint grail]

how many hours do you have

[shadow sleet]

10 hours

[latent yacht]

and i still can't gift him ambrosia

[quaint grail]

oml

[shadow sleet]

:p

[quaint grail]

hey its okay now u get to enjoy

[shadow sleet]

I don't think it worked

[jagged wadi]

maybe reinstall the game

[mint coral]

Have a fish on hand with you before talking to him

[jagged wadi]

or the audio drivers?

[latent yacht]

i had like 4 fish on my previous run and didn't work

and the last boon i got from him was in elysium i think

i definitely had at least one on me by then

[shadow sleet]

If it was audio drivers the audio wouldn't work at all but literllay EVERYTHING works but the characters dont talk lol

[jagged wadi]

oof

[mint coral]

Rng issue then

[latent moon]

Did you make sure your voice volume thingy in the menu is on

[shadow sleet]

yeah

everyting is on

[mint coral]

Dialogue isnt guaranteed but gets introduced to the pool of possible dialogues once the requisite is dome

[latent yacht]

oh, alright

thanks for the help

[quaint grail]

when ur bosses come in do they talk?

[latent yacht]

why wouldn't they?

[shadow sleet]

mine dont

[quaint grail]

i @ the wrong person lmfao

[latent yacht]

ah

yeah that's what i thought

np

[shadow sleet]

everyone in my game is silent

[mint coral]

May be worth checking #h1-tech-fixes and #h1-tech-support

[latent yacht]

Hades but Zagreus is deaf

[quaint grail]

LMFAO

[lean timber]

"who's this chick with the armor and what does she want with me"

[quaint grail]

Open the Windows sound settings (right click the speaker symbol in the task bar.)
Choose "Playback devices"
Choose your Audio device.
Click "Configure"
Set it to "Stereo" if it is not set that way. (Or to 5.1/7.1 if you have such hardware.)
Press "Next" until you get to "Finish" > Finish > test.

[shadow sleet]

ill reinstall the game see if that works

[magic wave]

imagine unlocking aspects, without hearing the catch phrase

[pulsar hemlock]

I f***ing hate it... How much friggin' dmg do I need to beat EM4? .-.

[signal aspen]

whats your build like

[pulsar hemlock]

Idk, but I do know I did a run earlier today where I could crit 300+, and he still healed so much it felt like I made no progress

I think it was sword with dash-strike dmg

[signal aspen]

sword isnt the best weapon for em4

[pulsar hemlock]

Then what's best?

[signal aspen]

shield

rail

[pulsar hemlock]

What about fists?

[rustic vale]

Nononono

[warm nimbus]

no

[signal aspen]

sword and fists are easily the worst weapons for em4 since you are so aggressive

you lose all your iframes because you use your dash strikes

[warm nimbus]

fists sword are awful and spear is pretty bad

[tall holly]

def no

[pulsar hemlock]

Hm... I wonder how the heck I beat 32 heat with fists last time, then 🤔

[signal aspen]

because fists are still good

[rustic vale]

You talking even spear special builds

[signal aspen]

im just saying they arent the best weapon for em4

[signal aspen]

yeah

its not that good

[pulsar hemlock]

So, I should just focus on unlocking secret aspects and then either use shield or rail when I want to farm titan blood on EM4?

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

Melee weapons are viable for 32 heat it's just he em4 part that sucks with them

[signal aspen]

if you want

[rustic vale]

I dunno how but I had all aspects maxxed well before I hit 20 heat on any weapon

[pulsar hemlock]

Well, I've just unlocked the hidden aspect of the spear, so can I unlock the sword's without having to use it? I have spent blood on it. Also, do I need to buy the hidden aspect for the spear to get others, or simply find it?

[warm nimbus]

shields hidden aspect is probably the best aspect in the game

[rustic vale]

You need to use the sword to get a dialogue line from the right person

[warm nimbus]

you dont need to buy it

[rustic vale]

After that you can use any weapon

[rustic vale]

Edit: *yhe sword

[pulsar hemlock]

Ah, so I still need to use the sword on a run before Nyx will tell me the dialogue?

[rustic vale]

Wait nevermind sword is different

You need 5 titans blood in it

[rustic vale]

I think?

[mint coral]

Yeah sword doesnt need mention from nyx about using sword

[pulsar hemlock]

Well, wiki says that Nyx will tell you the sentence needed to unlock the aspect, no?

[rustic vale]

True but it’s not like you’re bring sword into chaos to talk to nyx to get her to mention your use of it

[mint coral]

Some weapons need first the character to acknowledge that you are using the weapons then the phrase

[rustic vale]

unlike bring rail and getting zeus to mention it, fists and asterius, coronacht and artemis, shield and chaos

[latent moon]

Prob from trading ambrosia for titan blood and various prophecies

[rustic vale]

Yeah

I played a lot like a year ago then stopped playing

Then came back recently

[latent moon]

The family reunion thingy gives 20 ambrosia so that's either 2 max keepsakes or a full aspect

And the favors also give ambrosia

Some favors anyways

[rustic vale]

I only maxxed the companions and aspects after I came back but I had everything maxxed before 20 heat on any weapon

[latent moon]

I think I had like 20 heat on fists or something but that's about it

[rustic vale]

I still have some prophecies to do because I don’t want to throw runs by picking up aphro meme beams

[mental vale]

can someone please tell me in god's name how i am supposed to beat witches with fists and no deflect boons without taking 60 damage

[rustic vale]

uh

[latent moon]

Just pick it up and not use it lol

Do like 0 heat or whatever

Ez

[signal aspen]

kill them

[latent moon]

Get a 4 witch meg

[rustic vale]

Just win

[lean timber]

WOOOOOO YEAAAAAAH

[mental vale]

ok 1. bruh 2. im on fresh file so i dont even have meg yet

[rustic vale]

I’d still have to go out of my way to pick up meme beams

[latent moon]

I mean it's prophecy grinding just guarantee a win lol

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t dare

[warm nimbus]

finally got to phase 2 of dad on the old fresh file savestate lol

[latent moon]

You literally play shackle on every aspect it's not like boons really matter for you

[latent moon]

Wasn't aware it was fresh file

Gl then I guess lmao idk

[warm nimbus]

honestly dem cast is just a straight up downgrade

[latent moon]

Just kill them

[rustic vale]

I completed the last aspect earlier today

[mint coral]

Pick them one at a time and be careful in yojr dash timing

[latent yacht]

how does zeus special work with aspect of chiron bow? the lightning effect go off for each special hit or only once?

[mental vale]

especially when they just float over the magma like??? it is literally impossible to hit them without taking damage

[rustic vale]

Only once or twice

[latent yacht]

that sucks

it was worth asking though

[rustic vale]

Because it has internal cooldowns

[latent yacht]

oh, i understand

thanks

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1001949371232948254/unknown.png

Obligatory thunder flourish Chiron meme

[lean timber]

that's why as a fists user you have to invest in cast a little as well. posideon is great for fists cast because it is the best at re-positioning enemies to more favorable locations, does good damage, and can help break armor without too much risk

[latent moon]

Meme beams because funny

[rustic vale]

Wdym invest in cast

[lean timber]

i'm a huge supporter of flood shot on any fist aspect

[rustic vale]

Just punch the bullets away

[latent moon]

True

[lean timber]

but how do you hit them when they fly over the lava pits

[rustic vale]

Attacks break projectiles

[rustic vale]

Dashing

[latent moon]

Dash strike lmao

[lean timber]

y'all cannot be serious lmao

[signal aspen]

use talos to pull them back in

[rustic vale]

Wdym

I am serious

[latent moon]

Ayo Talos gaming

[rustic vale]

Actually yeah

[latent moon]

Talos best fist

[rustic vale]

If it isn’t talos you dash

[latent moon]

For legal reasons that's a joke

[rustic vale]

Idk

I like talos

[signal aspen]

worbsetl5

[rustic vale]

It’s the aspect I’ve gotten the closest to winning shackle 32 with

[mint coral]

For a hit or 2 you can dash>hit then dash back to safety

You can do that when than is dumb and leaves the heart mid lava

[mental vale]

not hestia????

[signal aspen]

hestia sucks

[rustic vale]

The only problem is if you’re running heightened security or have a chaos boon making traps deal more

[rustic vale]

Not hestia

[latent moon]

Eat the damage like a champ

[rustic vale]

Talos was literally doing better than hestia

[latent moon]

Or use the opportunity to reset SD lmao

[signal aspen]

bruh

[rustic vale]

Except no patty so not good SD regen so I died to heroes

[mint coral]

Fresh file and hs dont mix 🗿

[rustic vale]

What you didn’t win first run fresh file and unlock heat?

Speaking of fresh file is there a hell mode fresh file speedrun category

[signal aspen]

yeah

[mint coral]

Ye

[rustic vale]

I’ll have to look at run #1

[mint coral]

Fresh file harder than 32 heat ngl

[rustic vale]

that’ll be radical

[warm nimbus]

^^

harder than 40 imo

maybe not 45 lmao

[mint coral]

Turns out mirrorless sword hard

[signal aspen]

nah

[mint coral]

But also vastly different aspects of the game

Cant really compare

[warm nimbus]

this is true

[lean timber]

so true

[warm nimbus]

ff has no hammers, no hermes, only 4 gods, etc

no keepsakes or aspects

its so vastly different from the normal game

[lean timber]

i wanna say ff is absolutely harder than 40

[mint coral]

No mirror/summon

And less free rooms

[warm nimbus]

no calls even

[lean timber]

cuz i've tried both and boy

[signal aspen]

nah this is how you are supposed to play hades all the upgrades are for the noobs

[lean timber]

well... i beat 40. i didn't beat ff

[mint coral]

Wait you have a ff win?

[signal aspen]

no

[mint coral]

Nice

[mental vale]

no huge catch

[signal aspen]

tyty

[warm nimbus]

im practicing for a fresh file win rn lol

ill get one by monday

[signal aspen]

im practicing for a ff win too

i will get one by 2025

[warm nimbus]

harder than 51 confirmedA??

[signal aspen]

yeah

because sword sucks

[warm nimbus]

rtue

[signal aspen]

idk if angel has an ff win either

might be harder than 63 heat

[lean timber]

there's no way

i think it's equivalent to 50

maybe a bit more

surely not 63

[warm nimbus]

probably

[lean timber]

but i haven't played either

[warm nimbus]

@devout terrace do you have a fresh file clear

[devout terrace]

Only modded

For 2 sack and only athena/ares in tart

[warm nimbus]

true and you have unmodded 60

so fresh file is probably harder than 60

[devout terrace]

So true

[pulsar hemlock]

Which aspect is best for the railgun?

[signal aspen]

eris is easiest to use

and its pretty good

[pulsar hemlock]

Hm, maybe. Still not sure how I'm gonna beat Hades, though. His healing is freakishly annoying

[mint coral]

Break the pots or get absurd dps so you outheal him

[pulsar hemlock]

Yeah, deal with the pots just for him to respawn them immediately, really an useful way to kill him

[mint coral]

I mean for the heal

Just gotta deal with the pots normally

[pulsar hemlock]

Yeah, but he just respawn them immediately if I destroy them .-.

[mint coral]

During the heal some start to grow green, destroy those

[pulsar hemlock]

Oh, so it's not all of them?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[pulsar hemlock]

Hm, didn't know that. But how useful is that to know in the third phase, though?

[mint coral]

Personally idk lol, ik is a thing but il rather just wack dad a bunch to either outheal or leave some dmg

I've never tried to prevent it that way

[latent moon]

If you can't out dps the healing at least the healing will be reduced, not like he's attacking you while healing anyways

[pulsar hemlock]

But every heal heals up to 1500, no? .-.

[warm nimbus]

its either 1000 or 1500

tbh i just recommend trying to outdps it as it means you dont have to get close to pots and even a reasonably mediocre build can out dps that i think

[pulsar hemlock]

Really? I feel like I need to be pretty lucky to get enough dps to be about to out-damage his healing .-.

[mint coral]

Even if you cant fully outdamage him is still some dmg you do

[rustic vale]

I think zag bow will be my best shot at jumping from 20 -> 32 heat with shackle 🤔

[warm nimbus]

alternatively

dont use shackle

[pulsar hemlock]

Is the bow good against Hades EM4?

[rustic vale]

Tentative yes

[pulsar hemlock]

Tentative?

[warm nimbus]

^

[mint coral]

Rama can get rekt by summons but just get good summons anyways

[warm nimbus]

zag bow and rama are good at em4

chiron is good if you get purple swift flourish + conc volley lmao

hera is very :boulyai:

[pulsar hemlock]

What does tentative mean, though?

[warm nimbus]

hesitant

[rustic vale]

done without confidence; hesitant

[pulsar hemlock]

Hmm, okay

[rustic vale]

Because I’m not sure how valid my opinion is

or

Wasn’t

[lean timber]

your opinion is epic and based

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Triple shot zag bow is just a melee aspect

Right

[mint coral]

Yeaj

Also for context this is em4 alone right@pulsar hemlock

[pulsar hemlock]

Yes

Trying to get used to it again, but I'm struggling with Hades .-.

Every other boss was so easy, though

[mint coral]

I like chiron for it, good single dmg

At higher heat i would say zag or rama tho

[latent moon]

Just get eris clockets and a big chaos special as one does

[snow skiff]

u just switch to twin for heat

[rustic vale]

I had to choose triple

[snow skiff]

lol

[rustic vale]

Concentrated and piercing volley aren’t helping me much

[latent moon]

Anvil it to get twin flurry

[lean timber]

anvil to get it to twin flurry

[mint coral]

Or get a bad hammer and avil into flurry point blank

[latent moon]

Anvil gaming

[lean timber]

flurry point blank new meta

[warm nimbus]

^^ absolutly need conc volley and epic swift flourish though

[mint coral]

Nah

My firsts em4 wins were with chiron lol

[warm nimbus]

rama better most of the time though

[rustic vale]

I thought you said your fists em4 wins were with chiron and got really confused

[mint coral]

Rama cries when sneaks shows up tho

[warm nimbus]

true

so play budget rama

[pulsar hemlock]

So, Eris aspect on railgun + lightning strike, is that a bad combo against Hades EM4?

[warm nimbus]

its a good aspect but very unsafe

[raw herald]

What’s the total heat

[warm nimbus]

10

[raw herald]

Should be fine

It’s a good way to learn his attacks

[slim geyser]

I’d just go with beo tbh

[rustic vale]

Just go with like

Zag sword

[mint coral]

At em4 alone you can do a lot of things yeah

[pulsar hemlock]

It's not to learn his attacks, but to kill him. His healing is freakishly annoying .-.

[lean timber]

beo -> bea -> hea -> hera

crazy

[slim geyser]

no no youve got a point

[lean timber]

makes you think...

[mint coral]

Block good me safe

[pulsar hemlock]

I don't have the titan blood to get all aspects, though

[rustic vale]

beo -> zag

[lean timber]

hera has two blocks they are called dashes

[rustic vale]

🧠

[slim geyser]

yes but
bow go cast

[mint coral]

Shield goes cast too

[slim geyser]

bow go cast better

[rustic vale]

Charge shot beo kinda better hera

[lean timber]

shut

[slim geyser]

will not tolerate this hera slander

[lean timber]

true

[mint coral]

I will tolerate it

[raw herald]

Beo better

[mint coral]

But not really cuz i like both

[rustic vale]

noo

Died in elysium

[slim geyser]

thats what you get for slandering hera

[rustic vale]

Omg

I’ve died 300 times

Hahahaha

[slim geyser]

wait does shackle effect cast

[rustic vale]

Including all the wins because zag dies after those

[rustic vale]

Yesp

[mint coral]

Attack,special and cast yeah

Funny 100 base dmg cast

[rustic vale]

Wait arte call isn’t a prerequisite for heart rend

[mint coral]

Is not?

[rustic vale]

Just attack special cast and flare

[mint coral]

Lmao

[slim geyser]

ah yes

arty flare

favorite boon right there

[mint coral]

The one time i got it it was good

[rustic vale]

I was hoping for like passion dash+ arte call triple shot + heart rend on zag bow

[warm nimbus]

wsit pressure points isnt???

[mint coral]

Cuz i had an stupid build

[warm nimbus]

wack

[rustic vale]

[slim geyser]

yeah isnt pressure points prereq for literally everything

[mint coral]

Most support boons never open duos

[warm nimbus]

curse of nausea?

[slim geyser]

pressure points prereq for ME

[mint coral]

most

[rustic vale]

Pressure points prerequisite for beo unlocking

[warm nimbus]

lmao

[mint coral]

Ik there is cold fusion/CoN/VM

[rustic vale]

pressure points is a prerequisite for killing hades

[slim geyser]

pressure points prereq for buying game

[warm nimbus]

vm and cf dont count though

[mint coral]

Why not? I call support anything thag isnt a core

Vengeance/jolted arent cores

[warm nimbus]

bc they still need 2 cores

[mint coral]

Isnt cold fusion dem core + static discharge? (And im being petty cuz you can get it with lightning reflexes lmao)

[rustic vale]

PP is a prerequsite for chaos duos

[warm nimbus]

what about heavens vengeance?

[rustic vale]

Dem core and static discharge

[warm nimbus]

and if thats the case then fair enough but vm still needs 2 cores

[mint coral]

Yeah thats why i didnt argue against vm

[rustic vale]

Lightning reflexes and heavens vengeance means you don’t need cores

For cold fusion

[lean timber]

implying you can proc lightning reflexes

i've worked with people who probably couldn't do it

[mint coral]

lighting reflexes triggers on basically anything

[rustic vale]

Just like rr

[mint coral]

it even triggers on lernie roars

[latent moon]

Can't proc it if you just eat the damage

[lean timber]

i think my next challenge is to run 32 again but instead of going defensive and being scared of em3 i'm going to focus attack and get a good clear time

[mint coral]

32 heat speedrun wr

[lean timber]

i know that's why it's funny lol

[mint coral]

whats hera 32 wr actually

[rustic vale]

My 32 challenge is sub 0 win

[lean timber]

six (6) seconds

[latent moon]

Just get the good hammers

[mint coral]

7:52 unmodded

[warm nimbus]

thats um

wow

[rustic vale]

It that slower than higher heat hera

[mint coral]

and 6:59 modded

[latent moon]

What's the 32 heat wr with cp2 and max js

[warm nimbus]

no its just that that is a really bad time

but i mean its hera

not like i could do any better

[mint coral]

hera high heat moment

[warm nimbus]

6:59 actually isnt that bad

[rustic vale]

Wait a minute

I got bored and looked

[warm nimbus]

at that point 6:59 is only slower than like what, beo and eris?

[rustic vale]

Unmodded zag sword 50 heat is faster then moddedzag sword 50 heat

[mint coral]

lmao

[warm nimbus]

lol camel moment

[rustic vale]

15:34 versus 18:51

[mint coral]

i forgot croven has 2 sub 5s in any heat modded :boulyai:

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah I was gonna watch hell mode fresh file wr be back later

[warm nimbus]

yeah hes kinda decent at the video game

[rustic vale]

Wait they got merciful end in tart holy

[lean timber]

what time should i aim for

[safe tinsel]

Less than a second

And then end it somewhere in the range of 3 to 8 minutes bc it's not possible otherwise

[signal aspen]

And zagspear

[rustic vale]

Hm

Are speedruns measured by the actual time it takes to complete

[signal aspen]

You talking about igt v rta

[rustic vale]

Rta

[signal aspen]

In-game time and real time

Normally it's igt

It's the only one people care about

[rustic vale]

Cuz fresh file hellmode was done in 13:xx in-game time but it’s measured by rta I think

[signal aspen]

Yeah idk why ff is rta

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1009222441605795850/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

lol im so dead

[lean timber]

bro

[rustic vale]

Idk

You’re mashing the speak button everytime you pick up a boon in ff then

[warm nimbus]

really big doom procs though

[signal aspen]

No divine protection 😔

[lean timber]

idk that's literally a fantastic setup i think you're only limited by a skill issue now

[rustic vale]

You win that

[signal aspen]

Wtf are those poms

[warm nimbus]

was hoping for athena in endshop but was 2 ares boons instead lmao

[lean timber]

i did get divine protection once on a ff, didn't help lol

[rustic vale]

Ff hell mode has faster igt then my fastest igt

[signal aspen]

Smh git gud

[lean timber]

unmod?

[rustic vale]

FF is only divided by normal and hell mode so

I assume it’s always unmodded

[lean timber]

probably

[signal aspen]

Here's only unmodded on the leaderboard

Theres

Bruh

[rustic vale]

Wait

FFTC?

[signal aspen]

Fresh file to credits

[rustic vale]

Oh

[warm nimbus]

372 doom procs lmao

[rustic vale]

The person who had to verify those runs 💀

[signal aspen]

Quick make a savestate

[signal aspen]

They don't have to watch all of it

[lean timber]

they should have to

[rustic vale]

What do they have to watch then?

[signal aspen]

They just skim through

[lean timber]

how do they catch splices then

besides checking waveforms

but i assume if watching the run is optional then that probably is too

[signal aspen]

Idk I'm not a verifier

[lean timber]

why not

[signal aspen]

Idk

[rustic vale]

halfspects category doesn’t have it’s own section on speedrun discord 🤔

[lean timber]

[rustic vale]

Or maybe it does but idk what halfspects means

[gray apex]

It all goes in multi weps

[lean timber]

u mean like running lv. 3 of an aspect or something?

[gray apex]

It means running 12 weapons

[lean timber]

oh no

[signal aspen]

All 12 weapons?????

[warm nimbus]

rip, died p2p2 of dad

[lean timber]

this is so sad

you had it

[rustic vale]

OWO speedrun category is something like “one weapon only”?

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[lean timber]

uwu

[signal aspen]

Means all aspects of a weapon

[rustic vale]

Neat

[warm nimbus]

yeah tbh i didnt think id get that far into the dad fight lmao

but 374 doom procs and 215 hp is very good lmao

[lean timber]

insanely

[signal aspen]

Why game giving the good builds to the inexperienced runners

[warm nimbus]

idfk man

[rustic vale]

Time to look into 50 heat zag spear speedrunning

[warm nimbus]

that was also ME in aspho midboss which was very gaming tbh

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[signal aspen]

Another weapon destroyed by magnil

[warm nimbus]

i wouldve been annoyed if i had gotten it that run though bc im not recording

and i wouldnt be able to submit it for ffotw

[signal aspen]

You don't need to record for that

[lean timber]

final fantasy on the west

[warm nimbus]

well i didnt know what rta was

[signal aspen]

Just use phone timer

Or estimate

[warm nimbus]

lol would they take an estimate

[signal aspen]

His run was approximately 15 mins

This

[warm nimbus]

"about 45 minutes rta give or take 10 minutes"

[signal aspen]

Breh

[rustic vale]

“About a year or so rta”

[warm nimbus]

back to practicing ff dad fight

[rustic vale]

For deadly reversal to proc

You have to hit a projectile with a athena boon right

This is like

A really really stupid question

Nvrmind

[warm nimbus]

yeah

you have to deflect something lmao

[snow skiff]

deflect dn

[warm nimbus]

dr actually would proc a lot, at least in ff from what i can see

because you deflect dad casts and spear jabs

[rustic vale]

I’m currently doing the most

10000000iq shackle 32 heat run

[lean timber]

you can deflect a melee attack and it will work

[rustic vale]

if this wins

I’m the most skilled player in the universe

[lean timber]

what are you running

[warm nimbus]

depends on the melee attack but most of the time yeah

[rustic vale]

I’ll tell you once I win

[warm nimbus]

like you cant deflect dad spin

[lean timber]

i'll be waiting

[rustic vale]

I could because I’m that cool

Ooh

Nice hermes

Definitely nice hermes

Exactly what I wanted

[lean timber]

(he is running hera and got quick reload)

[rustic vale]

No

This was inspired by the best clip I’ve ever seen

[lean timber]

(he watched my runs)

[rustic vale]

Losing a dd to tisiphone was part of the plan

Rng manipulation

[ivory perch]

gosh didnt know forced overtime is such a big difference on hades

[rustic vale]

Fingers crossed for eurydice because she has a 50% chance of improving my most important boon

[warm nimbus]

yeah lol

[ivory perch]

its almost imposible to escape his huge slash once he got speed boost

[warm nimbus]

imo fo2 dad is harder than fo0 superdad

[ivory perch]

bruh

I usually spend 0-2 death defiance when encountering dad under 8 heat condition for example

then I wonder what forced overtime do

[rustic vale]

No eurydice

[warm nimbus]

once you see the white line appear you should try double dashing out of it, in the 180 degree range facing towards him

[ivory perch]

it seems doesnt do much so my monkey brain decided to put it

its 3 heat

looks fancy

then rest of the game becomes easy

until DAD COMES OUT

RUNNING SLASH BOOM

3 death defiance gone

[latent moon]

Fo just takes some time to get used to

After a bit it isnt so bad

[ivory perch]

yea, I should dash at a better timing

[warm nimbus]

fo just takes some time fo get used fo

after a bit it isnt fo bad

[latent moon]

Smh lmao

[ivory perch]

I know, pillar strategy and dash strategy still work more or less

[rustic vale]

How did I kill lernie with this

Lmao

Lightning reflexes > zap dash right

[warm nimbus]

yeah bc zap dash sucks and lightning reflexes doesnt take up a core

[rustic vale]

Omg I got the second hammer I wanted

[warm nimbus]

well i mean its not so bad if you get jolted and double strike and high voltage and

[rustic vale]

How did this meme run turn into an actually decent run

[ivory perch]

btw does special of rail have back stab damage

[warm nimbus]

no

[latent moon]

What build is this lmao

[rustic vale]

Uh

[ivory perch]

rip

[warm nimbus]

thats why you should use fiery presence on rail lmao

on most things tbh

[rustic vale]

Shackle zag sword with blue swift strike and flurry slash + piercing wave

[latent moon]

Wtf

[rustic vale]

at 32 heat

[latent moon]

Wtf

Why lmfao

[warm nimbus]

ew

[mint coral]

almost the perfect meme

[rustic vale]

The thing is

[mint coral]

just replace piercing for cursed

[warm nimbus]

just needs dio attack

[rustic vale]

This run is actually popping off

idk how

[mint coral]

whats your pact?

[rustic vale]

I think my pact is cursed

I’ll check

[mint coral]

i mean we've also said 32 can be cleared by a lot of things

[rustic vale]

Anyways is zap dash still a problem on sword when flurry slash

[mint coral]

but still is funny

[ivory perch]

what does it do? I am still unfamiliar with many names

[patent mesa]

based

[ivory perch]

I take zap dash mostly

[mint coral]

big dmg vs undamaged foes (attack/special), opposite to shadow

+75% at max lvl

[ivory perch]

em

is it a boon

[warm nimbus]

no

its a mirror perk

[ivory perch]

I am confused

or mirror

oh I see

[mint coral]

green side to shadow presence

[ivory perch]

I know cause I havent tried every mirror aspect

I have a fixed combination

[rustic vale]

So it’s HL2 LC1 EM3 CP2 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

[mint coral]

:boulyai:

whats cp2 doing here

[rustic vale]

Uh

Forgot to switch cp to js

[mint coral]

[rustic vale]

when I startd the run

[mint coral]

i mean if its working, ig lmao

[snow skiff]

LC1

[mint coral]

oh yeah, stop discording 🔫

you are bringing the curse

[snow skiff]

imagine not being immune to discord curse

[rustic vale]

Anyways +10% crit from pp

This run is

Definitely going well

Definitely

Bye bye no curse for me fingers crossed

[mint coral]

where are you at rn lol

[rustic vale]

a shop in elysium

[warm nimbus]

this is just...

[rustic vale]

I was actively not picking up boons in asphodel with hopes of eurydice uping my swift strike rarity

[rustic vale]

It is a pact for certain

I got inspired by a clip I saw yesterday

This one

[mint coral]

certainly an inspiration

[latent moon]

"sword is a melee weapon"

[rustic vale]

RIp

Died to theseus and asterius because I played too agressively in the rooms prior

[mint coral]

universe is balanced then

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1009236812230824026/IMG_2079.jpg

Got a screenshot before heroes fight

[mint coral]

why the hell are you doing olympian favor

[raw herald]

Shackle needs fewer boons 🗿

[rustic vale]

Less boons = less chances to get locked into cores
Less gold laurels means more blue laurels means more keys means more rerolls means less likely to get locked into cores

[rustic vale]

@lean timber this was the run

[mint coral]

you know what im not even gonna say anything

this is hilarious in a good way

would've been better if you won

[latent moon]

Interesting pact lmao cp2 doesn't look fun

[latent yacht]

https://imgur.com/a/bs1FicV

how is that balanced

[rustic vale]

Because boon rarity doesn’t matter too much

[raw herald]

its balanced because its only good if you see it early on

[latent yacht]

i'm in asphodel rn

[raw herald]

if you get it in styx its basically useless

[latent moon]

Epic rd

[rustic vale]

Tbh I think it’s only good if you get it before hermes

[mint coral]

and focusing on getting it early means you wont get an actual build

[raw herald]

if you get it before your hermes and chaos boons, its goated

[mint coral]

epic chaos my beloved

[latent yacht]

i got both hermes boons already, sad

[warm nimbus]

^^

if you get it like after aspho its not that great

also theres not really many builds which have a pos core and a dio core

[rustic vale]

Dio sword with splash dashp

[mint coral]

i like gambling on it on achilles if dio shows up but thats it

[latent yacht]

i'm just hunting for boons to finish up the prophecies now so i have poseidon aid and dio dash

got the duo boon by accident

[warm nimbus]

i mean theres not really any build that use dio cores at all lmao

now that i think about it

theres like

[rustic vale]

Chiron

[latent moon]

There's only Chiron

[warm nimbus]

oh yeah chiron

[latent moon]

And that's it lmao

[warm nimbus]

and trippy beo

[mint coral]

chiron eris fists sword

[rustic vale]

eris?

[warm nimbus]

nah

eris you only do drunken on like ap2

[mint coral]

somewhat achilles too

[rustic vale]

My thoughts

[mint coral]

still a build 🗿

[warm nimbus]

i mean you could do drunken on not ap2 but that is very boulyai

[warm nimbus]

true

but then so is drunken strike on arthur

technically still a build even if it sucks

[mint coral]

thats like saying tempest strike is a build

at least make it sinergize

[warm nimbus]

true

[mint coral]

and well we also have the hangover build no one of us wants to look at

drunken flourish chaos

[heady moat]

Hi, a question here (im new), spoiler free please. Is there a way to have only the boons i want? I mean, start with the build selected and rush to the end

[rustic vale]

Super soaker is viable on all aspects

[heady moat]

I feel i want to use again a build i had, and never happens again

[mint coral]

nope but you have a fairly high amount of control with god keepsakes and re rolls

knowing what boons opens what and god pool also helps

tho if you want hammers then rip

unless modded

[heady moat]

And about weapon enchatments? I love the 5 missile strikes

Im on switch :( ty anyways

[heady moat]

Oksy f

[rustic vale]

Gaming

[mint coral]

the only thing you can do to get cluster bomb with slighty better odds is taking rocket bomb if it shows up first

as it blocks hazard from being offered

[warm nimbus]

also if you dont want spoilers, it would be a good idea to ask in #h1-for-new-players

[heady moat]

They should have let us play with specific build in order to do time trials

[rustic vale]

You can take the attack hammers because none of those like each other

[heady moat]

Anyways, gsme without updates in a year, it will never happen

[mint coral]

speedruns are getting both the boons(tm) and the rooms(tm)

at least there isnt crazy glitches that skip you directly to styx

[warm nimbus]

yknow now that i think about it rail hammers really do hate eachother huh

[mint coral]

rail is funny

[rustic vale]

Sword is funny

Ok so I got tunnel vision on hades spear and took +117% special from chaos

But it’s -4hp when attack

and I’m in tart without first hammer

[patent mesa]

do you have TD3

[rustic vale]

Yes

[patent mesa]

rip

[mint coral]

is this lc1 still

[rustic vale]

I just got forced into a core because I was greedy and hoping for tidal dash replacement

Oh no

No charged or explosive skewer first hammer

This run man

[mint coral]

deserved

[mint coral]

is there serrated at least?

[rustic vale]

yes

[mint coral]

cope with it ig

[rustic vale]

I’m coping hard

Oh and

I’m running 2x my highest spear heat

[mint coral]

also is this 100% a want a shackle run win or just for the meme

[rustic vale]

uh

[mint coral]

cuz switching to arte for attack can be nice due to the 150% from- wait is this hades spear

or zag

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to get a 32 heat shackle run done

[latent moon]

Just do hestia that's gonna be the easiest

[mint coral]

alright out of tips

gl have fun

[rustic vale]

I don’t wanna do hestia

[mint coral]

do it

[lean timber]

incredible. absolutely phenomenal

proud

[rustic vale]

Did you see the screenshot

[lean timber]

the crap pact torch has been carried

yeah lmao

pretty nice

[rustic vale]

I have no clue how I made it to heroes fight

[mint coral]

honestly your pact was better purely of the fact you had a build