supergiant-games

[spice gazelle]

Bastion: “Diablo, and you cry”

Transistor: “turn based hybrid and you cry”

Pyre: “NBA Jam, and you cry”

Hades: “Rougelike, and you cry”

[keen bolt]

Hades 2: roguelike, and you cry twice as much

[violet hemlock]

double the rougelike

double the sadness

[untold cove]

Twice the rogue
Double the lite

[violet hemlock]

i think the reason lament of orpheus is at every live show (at least the acoustic and ochestra ones) is they just really want to flex darrens falsetto

at least the london one has good riddance too but what i wouldnt do for an ochestral arrangement of that song!!

[stoic dove]

hopefully it has twice if not at least the same amount of bisexual panic

[faint moth]

Inb4 we get pansexual panic

[modest badger]

Depends on if you find Chaos hot
Then Hades counts

[violet hemlock]

why does darren go so hard on the guitar for careless whisper

he is so focused

[night salmon]

Pyre is more Oregon Trail + NBA Jam to be honest

They even ||caulk the wagon to float it across|| 😉

[tardy barn]

Someone do an AU where the Nightwings play Oregon Trail!

[bleak raft]

where's hypermini games

[untold cove]

where’s amazingenormous games

[violet hemlock]

maybe i will >:)

[ashen escarp]

Tempting

The nightwings as roommates playing viddyagames

[tardy barn]

Volfred would have an incredibly elaborate strategy and never actually start playing. Pamitha and Hedwyn would enjoy the changes made in the most modern version that has all the western state folks in it, not just the eastern white settlers. Rukey would enjoy the hunting mini-game way too much. *Ae gets very concerned any time someone is sick and constructs backstories for the party. Jodi likes the landmarks and side stories you get if you talk to people. Betrude has Opinions about the games accuracy when it comes to medical treatment.

[stoic dove]

Would like to ask Bertrude if people do die of dysentery that often

[night salmon]

I'm still screaming with laughter from the time we went to see The Secret Garden musical, and they rewrote the opening scenes so that Mary walks into a dinner party where all the guests have somehow died of cholera at the table, in their best clothes, apparently overnight

Do...do y'all know how cholera works 😂

[short tundra]

at the table... great place for cholera

[eternal peak]

Which of the best supergiant's game

[mystic meadow]

Yes

[quasi sable]

hades

[eternal peak]

Which one ? For you

[quasi sable]

hades

HADES

RAHHH

[mystic meadow]

Pyre

[eternal peak]

Yeah its my favourite

[quasi sable]

YEAGHAEHRAJHJFFDHD

[untold cove]

Yeah it’s Pyre

[ocean pelican]

[violet hemlock]

transistor fan here

i think the objectively best is hades

but one of my favorites is transistor and i really love pyre too

[ashen escarp]

Hades if I'm trying to make sense, but Pyre is my favorite

[serene zodiac]

For game play I gotta say hades but the story and vibes of transistor are just immaculate.

[short tundra]

pyre is top tier

[violet hemlock]

jen zee is allergic to showing me red's lipstick shade, actually

the closest i can get is heavily shaded pink/red

but then the yellow portrait and poster shows a dark red so i have no idea

[mild thistle]

^ me whenever I try to draw Hades

his skin is a different color in every other angle

[formal geyser]

Pyres my favorite, the sceneries are the best out of their games imo

[quick bluff]

late vote for pyre. for the music, the characters, the story…

thanks to the music, there are many different vibes contained in a single game, and all absolutely immaculate

[wooden fern]

transistor

I wont take criticism

[zealous barn]

so true

[night salmon]

All, but especially Pyre

[stable wadi]

sorry its hades 2

[wooden fern]

its not even out yet

[neon kayak]

[wooden fern]

regardless

transistor solos

[hardy shale]

it's out in my heart

[hasty drift]

bought Pyre in the current steam sale

and at first my reaction was "well it's no Hades" but I'm fairly far now I would say and damn, I think I really like it

[tawny snow]

Yeah it's something totally different

Some of the DNA is the same but it's not like one is trying to be the other at all

And both are great

[hasty drift]

Finished Pyre

damn

what a game

[ocean pelican]

Welcome to the gang

[short tundra]

one of us one of us

[hasty drift]

I still like Hades more I think but I really enjoyed it, far more than I expected

[mystic meadow]

Thought the same until i played multiplayer pyre, best supergiant game imo

[hasty drift]

haven't tried multi yet but I feel like I would get destroyed

[untold cove]

Believe in yourself

Everyone starts off by getting destroyed tbh

[formal geyser]

Yeah, my first few matches failer destroyed me

[violet hemlock]

maybe i should just cosplay every ashley barett

im already working on red and have considered zia

well actually i dont know if i can do celeste or eurydice justice

[untold cove]

Yes

[keen bolt]

do it

[violet hemlock]

idk my issue is celeste and eurydice are both POC (well eurydice is a tree but she def has POC features) and i dont know how comfortable i feel cosplaying either when there are a lot of really awesome POC cosplayers in the community
im sure there wouldnt be an issue if i just made the outfit and some things but its a little weird to me

[keen bolt]

well... i mean, i'm sure you wouldn't be doing a blackface lol. but i understand your concerns

[violet hemlock]

well yeah ofc

would love to see what i could do with eurydice's tree bark texture with makeup also

[keen bolt]

ooh yeah

[violet hemlock]

also eury is such a Project

jen zee stop making your designs uncosplayable pls

[keen bolt]

noooo but they're so creative

[violet hemlock]

shoutout to this literally gorgeous eury that was posted on reddit a few days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/11iexmm/my_wife_cosplayer_punky_bruisers_eurydice_costume/

[keen bolt]

damn, excellent indeed

[violet hemlock]

god celeste's shoulder piece thing would be so nice to make

shes so pretty

[half trout]

what's the play order for bastion pyre transistor they were 80% off so i picked them up

ik they're not like connected

but for the progression of game madeking

[modest badger]

I’d say release order
Bastion -> Transistor -> Pyre

[half trout]

cool

[cobalt gust]

roll a die and choose based on that reject authority

[ocean pelican]

Yeah release order is good

But my biased person says go pyre

[violet hemlock]

my bias says go transistor

[half trout]

i tried starting pyre and got mega confused so i think ill try bastion

[violet hemlock]

but logically release order makes sense

[ocean pelican]

Also helps that bastion is on the shorter side

Anyways all are worth to play so have fun

And prepare tissues

[violet hemlock]

i dont like bastion’s gameplay but the story and music is so worth it

[mystic meadow]

Release order definitely

[open lava]

So after saving up for 2 months and starving I bought the game on sale on steam

Now I feel empty

Cuz I all ready finished it 100 percent on the pirated version 3 times all ready

Now what do I do........

Guess I will wait for Hades two then

But damn I wasted 211 hours on a game that I do not regret playing

10/dusa's 🐍 hair

Wait is dusa's head still on sale?

Or is it out of stock

[wooden fern]

ermm

i dont rlly think its the best idea to openly admit you pirated a game in the discord for studio that made said game

[violet hemlock]

Yeahh

[wild patrol]

i mean they ssaid they bought it too

no harm no foul

[wooden fern]

fair

but still tho >.>

[dusky crescent]

hello again kit

[wooden fern]

hihi

[pseudo prism]

for reference, while we obviously don't condone it the mention isn't really a problem. obviously if people are wanting to discuss how to pirate then that's no go. but in this instance i will just refer you to something greg has said previously on steam

basically like. if someone mentions they pirated, just kinda talk around it, don't shame them. you don't know their situation

[wooden fern]

ah yea, i wasnt trying to shame them (tbf ive been in the exact same position) but i get what youre saying

[weary quarry]

I really like this response. It explains dev's point of view and encourages to support them, so thoughtful and kind. SGG in a nutshell

[open lava]

Actually I'm used to get shamed for pirating games because I live in Egypt so one dollar is like 31egp which is equivalent to a real good breakfast

And inflation and all that stuff

I buy the games that I like

Like for example Skyrim

That's where I got most of the hate

Even when I bought the game they needed proof and showed them proof

And in the end treated me wrong like not helping me or answering any questions I have

That's why I refunded the game

There community is highly offensive with pirating games

Like muted me and ban me for a week kind of way

And I just noticed they are linked to reddit

But it's what ever I still buy the games that the Devs deserves the money for the game

Like supergiant

But man ALOT of people hate the guys that pirate games

Well it's what ever I'm used to it

But tbh I'm going to buy a game with out trying it for the first time and I'm talking about Hades two I'm going to empty my bank account and starve for Hades 2

[pseudo prism]

yeah like. we really dont encourage piracy discussion here but its not really a taboo if you mention you did, situations are different for people. it means a lot that you enjoyed it enough to go and buy it anyway

please dont starve though 😅 i think supergiant will understand

[simple bane]

@cursive galleon Are you planning to restock the Hades merch?

[atomic flicker]

Hey there @simple bane ! The Hades merchandise sold through Fangamer is also restocked by Fangamer. I believe that other than the Hades PowerA Nintendo Switch Controller, all items are expected to be restocked.

https://www.fangamer.com/collections/hades

[modest badger]

Will continue to patiently wait for a Chthonic Gods poster restock…

[mint condor]

mannn who thought it was a good idea to make me run the game 9 more times to get a proper ending

[zealous barn]

go for it!!

[mint condor]

i aint doin allat dawg 😭

Already done watched the ending and epilogue on youtube

[mild thistle]

it's literally the point of the genre, stop whining about it

learn to separate your own preferences from the design intentions

[mint condor]

??

Why so passive aggressive

Also I have good reason for "whining" about it

I'd love to finish the game 10 times but it took me like 10 hours just to get it one time and I got school and other stuff to do

Also just being plain rude to me isnt gonna help

but stay blessed nd what not

[zealous barn]

It‘s gonna get easier, both by you simply getting better at the game and unlocking stuff. And the story still continues without doing full clears :) The people over at #h1-for-new-players probably have more tips for you

[mint condor]

thats whats up

[cobalt gust]

yeah the first clear is always the longest
the rest are way quicker because that's when the game really opens up

[zealous barn]

You definitely won't need 10x 10h = 100h to get to the credits (and if you do, you could always enable god mode...)

[ashen escarp]

Yeah, you'll likely reach the ending before the 30 hours mark. Maybe 20h.

[pseudo prism]

if some of you haven't checked #readme-first in a while, this is probably a good time for a refresher.

[mild thistle]

passive aggressive lmao someone with your attitude doesn't deserve any passivity, if you're gonna spray your rudeness here don't expect people to take it lying down

[mint condor]

Hm?

Where was I rude?

[mild thistle]

Your first post pls

[mint condor]

Cmon now

[mild thistle]

you literally joined the server just to complain

[short tundra]

hey, stop

[mint condor]

I tried to start a convo by talking about something in the game i dont really enjoy?

[mild thistle]

and you pick the channel about the company in general instead of the many channels dedicated to the game?

[mint condor]

Oh lol i didnt even see but this is still the channel for the games no?

[pseudo prism]

@mild thistle this was directed at you. drop it.

[mild thistle]

no it's not

[mint condor]

oh the company is called supergiant games

my fault

[mild thistle]

...........

[mint condor]

I thought it was just supergiant

[mild thistle]

Those who do not show kindness do not deserve any in return

[olive hull]

melon, this attitude is unwarranted at someone who did not have bad or rude intentions at all, and you have already been warned by a mod and ignored it - again, drop this and move on

people are allowed to voice their displeasure with a game even in a server dedicated to it

[olive hull]

yes, but every game also has a channel dedicated to it, and in hades' case multiple channels. so for future reference you can chat about it in #h1-discussion or such

[mint condor]

will do

[frigid obsidian]

Hi everyone!

[pseudo prism]

[gleaming tulip]

Yoloaspico

[hasty drift]

Fully done with Pyre now

https://imgur.com/a/gaVfjno

[untold cove]

One is never fully done with Pyre

It stays in one’s memory forever

[tardy barn]

It stays true to the end.

[magic eagle]

This is such a cuuuute emote aaaah!

[neon kayak]

[spiral hollow]

my cursor keeps disappearing in hades and i dont know how to fix it

its there for a few seconds and then it just vanishes

i can still play the gam i just cant see what im doing

[magic eagle]

Try checking for a solution in #h1-tech-fixes and if not, then asking in #h1-tech-support

[potent heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516763813790482464/1096265479796039750/image.png?width=590&height=649

Want to do bastion next

hades might take a while -_-

[olive hull]

bastion was super difficult for me

Hades somehow felt less so, maybe because by the time achievements came out I have been playing a while

[rain cove]

So is the Supergiant team working completely remotely still?

[pseudo prism]

they haven't talked about it anywhere so hard to say. just given the basis that the vast majority of businesses ended or limited work from home at this point, i would say they are probably not completely remote

[violet hemlock]

though they did hire for remote jobs

[pseudo prism]

yeah, if i remember correctly the character artist they hired is based in france

i think 🤔

but i doubt they are still fully remote like during hades development

[magic eagle]

The people working in San Fran are prolly back at the office, ye

Gotta wait for the NoClip doc to see hehe

[wooden fern]

what if i drew sgg characters as cats 🤨?? (idk where this would possibly go.. also if so which characters should i make designs for first)

also no red orrr sybil i have made cat designs for them already :3

[ocean pelican]

Oralech!

[wooden fern]

he looks cool! :0

[fringe lagoon]

rukey >:)

[short tundra]

zia

[tropic spire]

Hypnos or Chaos!

[violet hemlock]

👀👀👀

[wooden fern]

Soo i fell asleep lol, but i will add all of your guys suggestions to a list and then im gonna work on them one by one !

[ionic elm]

Does anyone know if there will be a Noclip series accompanying the release of Hades 2? I loved the one they made for the Hades launch and further process and the following ones talking about all their games. I would love to know if it’s been talked about or confirmed.

[olive hull]

We loved working with Noclip on their Developing Hell video documentary series about the making of the original Hades, filmed throughout the course of its development. We've been in talks with Noclip about our current plans, though it's too early to say whether we'll end up doing something like last time.
https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades2-faq/

[wraith hare]

Bastion or Transistor, what's better?

[short tundra]

bastion

hands down

[wraith hare]

[violet hemlock]

transistor sorry 😔

Hits me so hard

[short tundra]

transistor is good, ofc. all sgg games are. but there's a certain deep emotionality that transistor doesn't lack but i feel it doesn't hit in the same way it does in bastion. also bastion has zulf.

tho i will say i like transistor's combat better/find it more interesting

[violet hemlock]

Zulf definitely is a selling point

[short tundra]

world's saddest man

[zealous barn]

just like me fr fr

[short tundra]

haven't we all had our fiancee turn to stone then crumble into dust at our lightest touch

[violet hemlock]

yknow, casual day

man whats with supergiant games and sad fiance stories wtf

[keen bolt]

transistor

[violet hemlock]

theres a boyfriend in that sword :((

[keen bolt]

||https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c8ASBzkzfBs/maxresdefault.jpg||

try not to cry challenge (impossible)

[rose prism]

ıdidnt do this game

ı played 20 hours but ı still play worst

[static wedge]

Bought hades on my laptop

I can escape on the go now 😄

[olive hull]

finally can use a record player after owning these for years :D very exciting

[violet hemlock]

the CHILLS i got?? i need it oh my god

[ocean pelican]

So good

[zealous barn]

So pretty!!

[wild patrol]

please just restock the vinyls please uspergr ir ngianatr inta im cyrriong rriight now i needt hsi i'm in shambles im

[magic eagle]

What a gorgeous vinyl

[cobalt gust]

man i've never actually seen one of those i wanted them so bad

[tidal elbow]

Bought the whole Supergiant Games collection just now, thanks so much for creating such masterpieces

[final rivet]

Just bought the rest of the games today!

[high plank]

guys

would u reccomened for me to buy bastion, pyre or transistor

there all 3 dollars

[olive hull]

did you play hades already?

[high plank]

yes

ngl

didint like hades that much past the first part because it was so repetitive

[olive hull]

what was your favorite part of it? combat, story etc

[high plank]

loved the combat, story... ehh

one thing i hate like sports games cuz i think pyre is that

well enver tried one but it just sounds.....bad

[olive hull]

pyre is very story focused and a lot of reading, as well as being kind of a sports game

[high plank]

i can probably buy 2 of them

[olive hull]

i would recommend bastion though

[high plank]

alr

if i got 2 would i get transistor and bastion

is transistor also combat

[olive hull]

combat is not as fluid as hades though, because its supergiants first game, but its very fun

[high plank]

yeah

there really cheap so i dont have high expectations for combat, just so cheat its like

probably worth it to pick one or two up

[olive hull]

transistors combat is a bit harder to get into but its cool, theres a lot of combinations to try out like in hades

[high plank]

is transistor also like

alr

is it hack and slash

i like that style a lot

[olive hull]

its turn-based but kind of different than the usual turn based game

you can play it in real time with some builds or with enough stubbornness, lol

[high plank]

lol

i probably will do that

and use the ability too

probably can use both

im expecting i wouldnt really like pyre tho

cuz having freaking soccer just doesnt make sense

ina game against monsters

like if im tryna fight a boss it doesnt make sense to have it being soccer

[olive hull]

theres no bosses in pyre like there are in hades

you dont fight

[high plank]

yeah

but like

[olive hull]

it is more niche, but i liked it a lot

[high plank]

it just doesnt sound fun

for me atleast

i think i could get into transistor and bastion

cuz they sound money like a combat game

[olive hull]

thats fair :] i played it when it just released in one sitting lol it really got me

just so you know that transistor and bastion are definitely not as long as hades, you can get a decent amount of hours out of them but not the same

[high plank]

yeah.........but hades is 12 dollars

and bastion is 3

and transistor is 4

hopefully bastion is better than a side of chipotle chips

[olive hull]

well im a bit biased bc i just love these games, but i hope you enjoy whatever you decide to pick up

[high plank]

yeah

main thing is if i dont like theese

idrc cuz its so cheap

ima skip pyre cuz my backlist of games i have that i havent played is actually crazy

-Half Life Series
-Jedi fallen order
-Resident evil 4#
-Resident evil HD
-Resident evil 5
-Resident evil revelations
-jedi fallen order
-doom eternal
-subnautica
-bioshock infinite
-portal series
-Halo:reach
-Halo 4(mixed reviews game)
-Halo 3
-Halo 2
-Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary
-Halo:ODST
-Left for dead 2
-alien isolation
-axiom verge

one giant list lol

[rain hull]

Which supergiant game do you think had the best story?

[violet hemlock]

okay this is Hard

hades is the most meaningful to me

transistor is just so augh its gorgeous and everything about it furthers the story and lore

pyre literally lets you choose your own story

bastion has so many memorable moments

overall i might say hades but thats my bias

[wild patrol]

i personally think hades is when sgg perfected everything

[olive hull]

transistor or pyre imo

[short tundra]

pyre hands down

[rain hull]

i finished hades a few days ago

[olive hull]

transistors story is a bit less straightforward but very good, its worldbuilding is amazing and i love it dearly since its the first one i played... i played it countless times too
pyre is something else though, i dont know if i can even describe it in words (in a very good way)

[rain hull]

and i just finished transistor today

in like 4 hours

transistor had pretty garbage gameplay

but its theme and story were too interesting to put down

i think imma play pyre next

and save good ol bastion for last

lets see what Pyre has to offer

[ocean pelican]

Pyre

[wooden fern]

transistor

Sggs best game

i will never change my opinion

[zealous barn]

not just an opinion, it's a fact

[cobalt gust]

whether my favorite is transistor or pyre depends on which one I thought about most recently

[modest badger]

Finally wearing this today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851199967581831188/1100530028355276900/IMG_9562.jpg

[wooden fern]

oh ya

[rain hull]

Does true nightwing mode have a different ending for Pyre?

Also when you meet sandalwood in Pyre, what happens if you decide to leave the group?

Does the game just end?

[hasty drift]

No and no

[eager cedar]

I am team Pyre as well ❤️ Just such an incredible and deep connection that builds between the characters in such a short amount of time

[eager cedar]

leave the group, how do you mean?

[short tundra]

i don't remember the exact wording, but when you meet volfred for the first time, when he does his whole "you can go now" sort of thing, you have the text option to say you're leaving.

[eager cedar]

ahhh ok

[desert python]

i think both hades has the best story and is in general just the better game. i seem to have the unpopular opinion that all of SGG previous games aren't very good, hades was their first great game imo. personally i think SGG should stick to Rogue-likes as it seems they are doing for now

plus most genres have a few devs who focus on the genre and are lead devs in said genres (like Dice in massive online shooters, Fraxis games in turn based strategy, Rockstar and CDPR in open world RPGs, Bloober in psychological horror and Paradox in grand strategy games and so on) but Rogue-likes/lites don't have that so it'd be nice to see SGG be the first lead dev team in the Rogue-like genre

[wild patrol]

roguelikes just take a long time to develop which is prolly why there isnt a big studio that constantly churns out roguelikes

i mean, all games take a long time to develop but a highly detailed and content dense roguelike that keeps you coming back for hundreds of hours will take a long time, esp for indie game devs

[violet hemlock]

also i would get bored

i like new genres!!

[wild patrol]

yeah i really hope roguelikes dont get oversaturated

roguelikes are the kinda game i play for hundreds of hours and i cant juggle 5 roguelikes i really like lmfao

[violet hemlock]

i trust sgg enough to not turn hades into a huge franchise ala assassins creed tbh

yes

[wild patrol]

yeah same

sgg know what they're doing

and honestly i just hope they make whatever they're passionate about

[desert python]

thats why htere is other devs? that argument makes no sense... every time i get bored of say a rockstar open world rpg i just... play nother devs game

[desert python]

i don't necessarily want more hades, i want more rogue-likes

[wild patrol]

well then you dont need sgg to make more roguelikes you just need to dig a little deeper for good games

[violet hemlock]

nobody makes games in the same style of supergiant though, all their games have core elements even through different genres

[desert python]

if anything after hades 2 i'd love more non hades rogue-likes, they proved they can make a story from rogue-likes i'd like to see them do it somewhere else and its clear they're some of the best there is at this

[desert python]

i know and i do, im asking for both. just because i like team cherry's hollow knight doesnt mean i cant also like ori etc.

[violet hemlock]

personally id love to see a real puzzle game from them someday

transistor lacked that

[desert python]

i mean fair enough, i just personally really didn't like the last 3 games and now ive seen them show they can be the best at this genre i think it'd be best to see them stick to it and innovate like they already have done with hades

but each to their own

i also think 1 dev team consistently putting out phenominal (or just good) games in a genre forces every other dev that wants to make a rogue-like to do better or fail

[wild patrol]

idk i dont really think you should hold them to a genre or a creative limitation. sgg are insanely creative and i think it would be better if they just followed whatever inspiration brings them to

[wild patrol]

that also breeds copycats, but thats subjective

[violet hemlock]

also its hard to make multiple unique excellent games in the same genre

[desert python]

there are hundreds of devs that do it for every other genre under the sun and make the most creative and enjoyable games on earth. sticking to 1 genre doesnt limit creativity, if anything i think it increases it. it forces them to come up with new stories and find new work arounds

also sticking to Rogue-likes doesnt mean u can't also experiment in others. there are horror open world games and first person shooter metroidvanias etc

[violet hemlock]

i dont think theyll stick to rougelikes if thats not whats making them exicted

[desert python]

i dont believe this to be true at all, as is evidence with the hundreds of other devs that do it for other genres

[violet hemlock]

also this is all far far in the future

hades 2 has at minimum a year of devolpment and most likely more

[desert python]

yeah, only time will tell

[violet hemlock]

well give or take

[desert python]

there is positives and negatives for both sides so i understand peoples opinions even if i dont agree and my opinion probably stems from me not liking their previous games and now they have made a game i do think is good im inclined to want them to stick to what they're good at

[violet hemlock]

thats fair!

[wild patrol]

hades is already a pretty dense game so i think anything in future hypothetical sgg roguelikes would just seem like either "stripped down hades" or "hades with a new coat of paint" and i think hades 2 gets around this easily because its presenting itself as an extension of the game. to flesh out the world even more.

[violet hemlock]

i dont thnk any of the other games are bad at all though

[violet hemlock]

also this

hades 2 has a lot of room to expand but after a while theres just not much room to

without making it a franchise anyway

[wild patrol]

hades themed match-three game >:3

cthonic candy crush

[desert python]

i don't agree, red dead 2 and gta v are 2 different games made by a dev who focusses on 1 genre and beyond the games being made by the same team and being the same genre thats pretty much where the similarities end. they're only compared to each other because rockstar made them both

[violet hemlock]

thats so funny somebody draw that

[desert python]

i think the same can be said if SGG stuck to rogue-likes. it forces them to innovate and be better

paradox is another great example, their games are all grand strategy and yet each is so unique. you can pour 1000 hours into crusader kings 3 but the second you pick up stellaris you're clueless because of how different they are

[ocean pelican]

hades may be the game I played the most but I def prefer the other 3 more

Just roguelikes would make it hard to tell lots of story tbh

[neon kayak]

on this topic

roguelike as a genre is so incredibly squished already by its narrow parameters that its almost impossible to make a roguelike unlike other roguelikes

[desert python]

I heavily disagree. You can very much make unique rogue-likes and just like any genre you can combine multiple genres. You can have a FPS rogue-like or a martial arts beat em up rogue-like. Hell you can have a card deck builder rogue-like.

Also the only restraints for a rogue-like is
-Some form of randomness
And

• each time you play or "start a run" you start from the beginning.
  Thats it. Just those 2 qualify for a rogue-like. Sifu, Hades and slay the spire are all rogue-likes and all insanely different. The excuse "it doesnt allow for any uniqueness or creativity" is not only completely untrue but also just seems like a lazy argument

If i thought hard enough i could probably come up with a unique story for a rogue-like with a new premise right now.

[magic eagle]

Nova Drift has an interesting take on this recipe

I have to agree, roguelikes/lites can be extremely varied

Even Terraria could be considered a roguelike if you play in hardcore

Though this convo is best suited for #video-games

[neon kayak]

Permadeath, procedurally generated, and real-time

It’s a niche category with two main components one being third first one being first

Expanding combat systems doesn’t make the game entirely different

[desert python]

Doesnt have to be real-time at all. Nor procedurally generated. Permadeath and some form of randomness

[neon kayak]

Same reason why battlefield and COD play similar

It’s the genre

[neon kayak]

Yeah, procedurally generated usually

[desert python]

"Usually" doesnt mean it has to be

[neon kayak]

The original rogue was procedural iirc so it carried over

[desert python]

Plenty of turn based rogue-likes

[neon kayak]

Turn based roguelike?

[desert python]

Slay the spire is one of them

[neon kayak]

That’s a deck builder game

It’s less roguelike

It has some elements yeah

[desert python]

There is also that strategy rogue-like akin to xcom forgot what its called

[desert python]

No. Its factually a rogue-like. That is what the game is. Lmao. Look at any rogue-like list every.

I don't mean to be rude bit you're arguing a point without even knowing what a rogue-like is

[neon kayak]

Rogue like doesn’t mean random and one life

That’s so generic anything can be a roguelike

MW2019 gunfight isn’t a roguelike

it means procedurally generated at least partially and singlelife

Games can have roguelike elements and not be roguelikes

[desert python]

no it isnt a rogue-like because its a single mode in a full game, battlefield 5 isnt a battle royale despite having a BR game mode. u see how that works? and genres are generally vague they then go into subgenres which are more specific such as action rogue-like, deck builder rogue-like etc thats how genres work in every form of medium be it games or films and books too

[desert python]

you just proved my point, MR2019 having a rogue-like MODE doesnt make the game a rogue-like just how battlefield 5 isnt a BR. when the whole game is within the parameters it makes it part of that genre

things in one genre can be insanely different. since i mentioned BR we can take it as an example. the only condition for a BR is "last man standing" by this definition both Fortnite is a BR as well as fall guys yet the 2 being so different. 1 genre doesnt mean everything in it is exactly the same

thats kind of why subgenres exist

so as i said in my original point. SSG can stick to what i think they're clearly good at (and some may disagree, thats fine, the world doesnt revolve around me) and still have A LOT of room for creativity and uniqueness. claiming they can't would just be wrong.

[quick bluff]

don't like to interrupt, but this convo is more for #video-games at this point

[quick bluff]

for the record, i find it a great thing that sgg isn't a single-genre studio. it's wonderful that they'e been able to experiment with different forms with great success, and it is a way of reaching out to more fans

if sgg only did roguelikes, i don't think i would have been introduced to their games at all

[desert python]

that's fair enough, agree to disagree tho. as i said, the world doesn't revolve around me. i personally never liked their previous games but now they have shown me what they can do very well i'm inclined to just want them to stick to it, for the foreseeable future i'll have my wish with Hades 2 but beyond that who knows.

i think the only thing i don't like about Hades so far is how zagreus says "mate" every other sentence. lol

[neon kayak]

That’s true but the concept is a lot more open

BR in nature means free for all permadeath

that’s it

It’s wide because you can do anything with it

Roguelike is called that because it has similarities to rogue

Which had two defining features

(Mostly) procedurally generated

And permadeath

[neon kayak]

I thought the va was Australian for a while lmao

he does sound it sometimes

[desert python]

No i think the accents are ment to be british and whilst most the accents are pretty spot on (which in comparison to other american media is a huge W) but i think they over did the "mate" thing. British people do not say mate every 5 seconds

[magic eagle]

I've been sorely disappointed by the lack of innits

[hasty drift]

Bastard's crying, innit

I think the mate only comes in dialogues with certain characters though

like every conversation with Orpheus or Dionysus but not the rest I think

[neon kayak]

He sounds like a posh aussie though

Like you’d hear an Australian millionaires son speak like Zagreus

Mostly American but sounds Australian here and there

[warm minnow]

zagreus says mate a perfect amount of times and i will not be taking criticism

[cobalt gust]

fwiw its mostly condensed in the early dialogue, its not said nearly as much later on

except dionysus

[barren dragon]

and tbf ive met some people who struggle not to say mate every sentence

[night salmon]

I've seen some fun takes that it makes Zag come off like a sheltered rich kid trying to sound slangy and relatable

Which sounds like a fine headcanon to me

"This is how the common folk talk, eh mate? Not like my snobby father!"

[topaz shell]

Hi in what month can we expect Hades 2 in early access?

[formal geyser]

They haven't said yet

[pseudo prism]

everything that is currently known about hades 2 is posted in #hades2-faq

[hasty drift]

Anyone owns the Hades tshirt from Fangamer, the No Escape one? Wondering about the quality of it, if the print is something solid or if it will peel off after few washings

same question about the Cerberus hoodie

[olive hull]

fangamer shirts print is super high quality, i havent worn the no escape one yet but the nyx and meg ones have been great quality

[zealous barn]

If they're anything like the old Transistor/Bastion ones yeah, they'll hold up well

[hasty drift]

that's good to hear, cause I've ordered some tshirts in the past (not from Fangamer) and after like three washes it was almost just a white tshirt

still gotta wait till they have L size in stock

[near lava]

Got a Meg shirt for my wife for Christmas and it still looks brand new

[keen bolt]

I've got the Meg shirt too, it's excellent quality

[zealous barn]

more like megcellent amirite

[hasty drift]

boo

[cobalt gust]

I've got it, very nice shirt

had their pyre shirt for years now its still good

[cedar jungle]

I have it and have worn it numerous times! The print has only just started fading (and even then its still fully distinctive, its just a little bit of vibrancy on the reds). Only issue I had with mine was that the sew line between the collar and the main shirt split so I had to re-sew it (but that was a super easy fix and was probably from me pulling at the collar to adjust where it sat )

I can also strongly recommend the cerberus hoodie- it's very cosy and comfy

[zenith slate]

if SGG came out with snacks or energy drinks, would y'all buy them

I know i would

[keen bolt]

nah, but that's not because of SSG, i just don't buy snacks and drinks much in general

[zenith slate]

ah gotcha

but if a hermes energy drink comes by

https://tenor.com/view/maniwonders-cascadewallet-rfid-rfi-dwallet-wallet-gif-13938739

[short tundra]

i would try an sgg energy drink just to see what was up

[violet hemlock]

snacks yes energy drink probably not

saw someone who makes some hades inspired tea blends though i havent tried anyway but i want to

https://www.adagio.com/signature_blend/blend.html?blend=179244

[zenith slate]

gasp

[short tundra]

did sgg partner w adagio teas??

[cobalt gust]

pretty sure its unofficial

[pseudo prism]

fandom brews are fan made. it says who created this blend on the page

https://www.adagio.com/signature_blend/list.html?userId=625243BD

[short tundra]

ohhh ok

[pseudo prism]

dw ive never used this site i had to look lol but ye the same person made all the hades ones

[short tundra]

yeah, i knew adagio was a like a legit company so it threw me for a loop. i had no idea they had fans do tea too.

[violet hemlock]

yeah you can make your own blends im pretty sure

Would be cool if they did partner though

[short tundra]

i wonder if sgg will start partnering w other companies in the future for things outside of like clothes/figures/pins and such. it'd be interesting to see what they'd come up with.

[untold cove]

Partner with the NBA

Make Pyre real

[hasty drift]

We'd lose a lot of players if they had to jump into the fire too though

banishment is just a stay at ICU

[ashen escarp]

Send a player to another country when they're too good.

[small elm]

i have a supergiant(haha) important question:
will there ever be a reprint of the hades soundtrack on vinyl? 😭

[short tundra]

iirc they've said fangamer is the one to ask questions about merch so you could always try contacting them

sgg team doesn't often respond to questions and such on here so you can also contact them via the 'contact us' form on their website too

[wild patrol]

iirc the faq said they intend to

[small elm]

both encouraging replies, i appreciate getting responded to nonetheless lol

[pseudo prism]

https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/changes-to-our-store/

Q: Will you be reissuing vinyl records for Hades or other soundtracks?
A: We are working on this! We will announce any reissues via our Twitter and our newsletter -- please sign up for our newsletter if you'd like to be notified about new merchandise.

[zenith slate]

so, gamers

hello

and as a supergiant related matter, what flavor chip would you consider some of the games

[wild patrol]

hades is like a flaming hot cheeto

bastion is barbecue

transistor is salt and vinegar

pyre is sour cream and onion

[zenith slate]

the basticue, like that one

[wild patrol]

[zenith slate]

I don't know what chip flavor it is, but pyre would have the flavor that tastes good at first, but has this lingering sadness to it

not regret, but you are left with something in your heart

[wild patrol]

pizza pringle then

[zenith slate]

no, pyre fits sour cream and onion

[primal kayak]

only one of these i dont have is Pyre

[ocean pelican]

time to fix that 🔫

[primal kayak]

Definitely will when a bit more moolah rolls in my way

[wooden fern]

Ive only played bastion and transistor so far so i think..

Soyr cream and onion for bastion, very good but not my favorite, transistor like above salt and vinegar solely for the reason around the same time i was fixated on transistor i ate a lot of salt and vinegar chips so they kind of remind me of each other lol

[hasty drift]

PSA Fangamer No Escape tshirt has been restocked

only the US shop tho

can someone explain how the eu shop can have higher prices while also having euro currency so they are even more expensive?

[keen bolt]

import taxes?

[hasty drift]

tshirt costs $32.00 on US and €38 on EU, so $40

maybe

but like I'm seriously considering ordering from the US one cause even with shipping it might be cheaper

[keen bolt]

really?

how much is it with shipping

[hasty drift]

the US store tells me that I should consider the EU because it has flat €5 shipping

but the the thshirt itself is also like 5 € more expensive so that's 10 € already, and I'm not counting the hoodie

$11.74 on US store it tells me

so it's not even that much more for the shipping

as 5€ is like 7$

[keen bolt]

are you going to order it?

[hasty drift]

still deciding

[keen bolt]

because of the shipping costs? or just because you wonder whether you want it or not

[hasty drift]

hoodie goes from 59 USD to fricking 70 € on EU site

yeah

shipping from EU might be safer

as in it might not get lost or something

but also EU doesn't have the tshirt in stock so do I want to wait and then likely pay more anyway

[keen bolt]

don't they reimburse if it gets lost

[hasty drift]

no idea

there is more expensive shipping through fedex so maybe I would need that

[keen bolt]

well... there's also one other small possibility to reduce shipping costs (but it depends on some additional factors)

you can order together with someone else and split the shipping

[olive hull]

ive paid 57 dollars for an order from fangamer before, but tbf, it was a very big order

[hasty drift]

just for shipping?

[keen bolt]

do you know if they reimburse lost packages, alma?

[olive hull]

yeah that was shipping

[keen bolt]

geez, that's some heavy shipping

[olive hull]

i dont know but i should find out bc my recent one got lost... i recently moved and im having trouble with the post

[keen bolt]

ouch

[olive hull]

yeah they lost me 2 packages already 😓

[hasty drift]

I went and calculated the EU store and if the Tshirt were in stock there it would be total with the hoodie and shipping 113€, which should be about 121$, which is what the US store tells me is the total, so it seems it doesn't matter anyway

I guess the increased pricing is the shipping

so I might wait for EU restock

[keen bolt]

well, splitting the shipping is an option for the EU store too

[hasty drift]

if I were to do that it would be better to order from US then? cause shipping there is in the shipping, whereas EU has it baked into product prices

and then cheaper shipping

[keen bolt]

i suppose

[hasty drift]

also this doesn't concern me but the EU store has much less merch for some reason

like half the store is missing

[keen bolt]

maybe there's less interest, so they don't bother offering everything

[olive hull]

apparently they do refund it if its lost, just not the shipping price

theres a faq at the very bottom of the page

[hasty drift]

I was about to ask if I'm blind but no, only US store has FAQ

lmao

nevermind found it, EU has it more hidden

am blind officially

[zenith slate]

What would you put in an SGG themes time capsule, set to open 25-30 years from now?

I'd put something from every game in there

Like a plushie of the kid from Bastion.

[ocean pelican]

The book of rites

[acoustic mulch]

hades 2 on summer game fest? any chances?

[modest badger]

There’s always a chance

[hasty drift]

if we don't see anything I'll be surprised

[ashen escarp]

A track of Bound Together. The more time is spent between the first time you listen time and the last, the more it hits like a truck

[faint tusk]

“bound together” my beloved

[violet hemlock]

youtube channel hades speedrunning hall of shame

but actually probably the cloudbank art

[zenith slate]

Hall of shame???

[violet hemlock]

https://youtube.com/@hadesspeedrunninghallofshame

[ashen escarp]

The song : They follow the stars
Me, alone in my apartment : BOUND TOGETHER

[zealous barn]

LOL

[ocean pelican]

Hall of shame is amazing

[olive hull]

I’m answering to this super late because I just remembered about this message…
but…
This video
https://youtu.be/0X3Ih2vU7yo

[cobalt gust]

timeless advice

[tough sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/287403536625434625/1121896769815589024/IMG_5036.png

The boy has arrived

[zealous barn]

boy... slams fist on table

[tough sky]

It's super well designed

[modest badger]

Is the face better in-person than the promo photos looked?

[tough sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815377476296507424/1121920251949502474/IMG_5038.jpg?width=507&height=676

s'pretty good

[ancient stream]

Do any of the devs hang out here? My brother and I are working on a game largely inspired by Hades, especially the dialog system (which is probably way more ambitious than we should be), and I'm wondering if they have any advice and/or warnings they'd be willing to share with some amateur developers?

[sharp surge]

That really is a huge task so good luck. You could probably email them if you want a direct response.

[quick bluff]

they also have a contact form on their website. they're rarely active here, though

[ancient stream]

Thanks

[neon kayak]

what type?

the dialog system is taken from visual novels, so if thats what you want to recreate go play some of those

the rest of the game depends on what youre doing though

[ancient stream]

We are looking at various visual novels. The gameplay itself is going to be a roguelite beat em up, basically Hades meets Streets of Rage.
And while the goal is to imitate Hades' dynamic dialog system, that's something we can start small with and scale up to the point we're comfortable with.

[formal geyser]

The main issue I would see with a dialouge system like hades is not the dynamic system, while difficult, its just the sheer quantity of dialouge you have to write to make it viable. Still, sounds amazing! Good luck to you guys!

[zealous barn]

I wrote like a really short (~15 min.) VN with almost no choices or alternate paths and it's about 10k words, it's really brutal

[ancient stream]

It helps that we're both writers, but yeah, it's still a lot. But as I was saying, this is conveniently scalable. If, at the end, we have the main story and just a few rare bits of flagged dialog, we'll still have a coherent story.

[ashen escarp]

There's the GMTK video about it

It doesn't go into the programming of the stuff at all, but it explains how it globally function

[neon kayak]

it takes time

visual novel dialogue isnt hard, but the point is that theres a LOT OF DIALOGUE

so prepare to write a lot

and actually like writing the characters

if you dislike writing them writing the dialogue is going to be even harder

[zenith slate]

Supergiant Games, I am not qualified for the position at all, but thank you

[waxen carbon]

Quality Assurance? I can do that
come, give me the hades 2 early build, gimme. I can be trusted with classified info

https://tenor.com/view/suletta-tanuki-suletta-mercury-suletta-eyebro-gif-15153635000052840851

[lusty kestrel]

while i realise were all a bit biased here, would you guys recommend all of supergiants games?

[olive hull]

theyre all unique in their worlds and stories, as well as art styles - pyre might be the most niche but i love them all sooo much

[lusty kestrel]

like, theyre up for a total of 10 bucks for all of tehm ddue to teh steam sael, so i dont see why i wouldnt, tbh

[waxen carbon]

wow, even cheaper for u folks
I just bought the whole bundle 🥰

[zenith slate]

Good music, hot well-written characters, caters to a wide arrangement of players whether you want to enjoy the story or experiment with the tools

Yes.

[lusty kestrel]

so, pyre question. Is tehre any way to not be reffered to as "he"all the time?

nvm i found teh button- i was actually on the verge of just leaving

[ocean pelican]

Nice that you found it
When in doubt hovering over any red highlited text is a good way to find things

Tho how are you referred can also be changed in the settings iirc

[lusty kestrel]

just started the game, aned while im having alittle trouble with the controls and strategy, i won! also, the narrator/tutorial person/announcer's VOICE.. omg thats greayt

[rugged sail]

After Hades what Supergiant Games do yall recommend?

[ocean pelican]

playing from release order is always a great way to appreciate how they smooth some mechanics/seeing sgg evolve

if you liked the gameplay more bastion is the one that has the "most similar" style to it but like barely

is way slower

pyre is the one that has you read the most/gameplay can be off putting at first

and I'm letting someone else that sees this explain transistor cus idk how

[tardy barn]

Which of part Hades did you like more?

• Gameplay: Transistor
• Story: Pyre
• Can’t Chose: Bastion

[violet hemlock]

Id say actually
Gameplay: Bastion
Plot: Transistor or Pyre
Art + Music: Transistor
Characters: Pyre

I split story into two bc transistor and pyre both excell at different parts of it

Like pyre has really well written characters that you get attached to, and transistor has a tragic, immersive story but only s few characters

[rugged sail]

thanks a lot seems like on looks alone I am liking the looks of Transistor

I bought the Steam bundle so i have all of the games now

[violet hemlock]

Niceee

Transistor is GORGEOUS

[rugged sail]

I hear Pyre is the best sports video game lol

[ocean pelican]

the best and only wizard basketball game

[mystic meadow]

While there is a lot of reading in pyre, many people don't really talk about the positives of the rites (sports style gameplay). It is extremely fun and deep and it's sad more people don't recognize it as such.

[quick bluff]

both pyre and transistor have pretty unique gameplay. doesn’t work for everyone, but they’re both well-executed imo

and pyre can always use more attention

[rugged sail]

Oh yeah havent played Transistor yet, though it was like Hades gameplay

[pseudo prism]

bastion would be the one more like hades, just uh. slower

oh wait someone already said that haha

but ye

[rugged sail]

Is Supergiant still consider a Indie company even after the success of Hades?

or are they tripple A company now

[violet hemlock]

i dont think thats how it works

The difference iirc is in budget and team size

supergiant is still a small team

and theyre most likely not getting closeee to the monetary backing triple a studios get

[waxen carbon]

By what I searched
AAA have like 200 ppl at minimum
?

[untold cove]

SGG has like 25 I think

Not counting VAs and Ashley, but counting Darren

[rugged sail]

ah i see

I though once a indie company made it big they are considered triple A but now I understand thanks

[violet hemlock]

I dont think theres like a Specific number but that makes sense

[hasty drift]

Indie technically means independent, meaning they have no publisher or outside funding I guess

size is kinda tied to it because at a certain amount of people you'd either need funding or have enormous capital and keep pumping out banger after banger

banger in a financial success sense

[safe river]

Also, it's not like there's a strict dichotomy between different types of games company (and you can be non-indie whilst not being AAA - there's AA as well, at least for those medium-sized companies)

[obsidian jolt]

Hi Everyone! 👋

A friend and I are currently working on our Master’s thesis in product development and innovation management. Our study is focused mainly on the impact of early acces in the gaming industry.

We’re trying to gather information about this and it would be amazing if we could add supergiant to that list given the history you guys have with early access.

Any developers here that would be willing to spare some time for an interview about their experience developing for early access?

Thanks in advance for the help (and for the amazing games)

[olive hull]

you can contact supergiant here https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/
you can also browse #ask-supergiant as well as the #hades-patch-notes and watch noclip's developing hell documentary on hades which spans from the beginning of early access to 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-THgg8QnvU4JEVov1tMlFThNYS92F8uC

[haughty crane]

<positive> Absolutely wild the number of people doing academic papers including stuff with Hades and SGG
(Speaking as someone who has also talked about Hades in an academic paper lmao)

[pseudo prism]

honestly i still find it difficult to wrap my head around just how absolutely massive hades became and how many people even know the name supergiant nowadays lmao

[short tundra]

it's super wild to go from no one knowing what the heck bastion was to hades being a very recognizable thing

[pseudo prism]

people dont know that there was so little fanart during hades early access period that i could throw it in a spreadsheet........... i gave up on that very quickly after launch LOL

[magic eagle]

I blame that in part due to Pyre, because for whatever reason it made me disregard SGG for a while and I assume it had the same effect on other people

Also having launched the EA on Epic alone couldn't have helped with exposure

[pseudo prism]

not necessarily, i think it was all roughly consistent with fan content from previous releases. its just super funny to me that it exploded the way it did at 1.0 and within days i could not keep track of the amount of content being posted lol

[hasty drift]

I've never even heard of SGG before Hades

or rather I have but thought they were the same company as supermassive games

[magic eagle]

Oh I see, that's kinda nuts tatz hah

I trecked on SGG's Reddit at one point and ordered the posts via highest popularity on top and there are so many gems on there. Most, if not all, were from Hades lmao

[pseudo prism]

yeah most of it will be hades atp but im happy for people that tried the other games and found something to love in them too! if not, thats still okay

[magic eagle]

I've tried Pyre after Hades and it was really enjoyable

[wild patrol]

same

i knew bastion existed because i used to pretty into xbox arcade but i didnt know who developed it

i think i only ever played the demo back in 2013 </3

[safe river]

I knew SSG existed from the started (although I completely bounced off of Bastion at the time). I loved Transistor, bounced completely off of the sportsball in Pyre, and burned out on Hades before I got anywhere near resolving the "main plot". [Meanwhile, I have the opposite experience to Fuco - I have no idea what supermassive games are].

[haughty crane]

Basically everyone I talk to within the gaming sphere, especially gamedev, knows who they are, it's definitely wild

[olive hull]

pyre my beloved

honestly i wish people werent as deterred by the gameplay :(

i always pitch it as "you can simply lose every match" to people who dont like how the rites look LOL

[magic eagle]

I wish I wasn't as deterred by it when first seeing it. I just remember thinking, Oh it's kind of like a sports game, which I don't do so I think I'll pass. I regret it so because the game is darn good and it also let SGG fall off my radar and missed half of Hades' EA

What I love about their games is that you can clearly see how they build on and improve on mechanics introduced in previous titles. You can see in Hades mechanics and ideas from all 3 previous titles.

[olive hull]

ikr!!

[magic eagle]

What stood out most to me from Pyre was the movement and it's reflected in Hades soo well. Also the pseudo heat system it has.

[olive hull]

ive been a fan of supergiant since 2015 so not getting pyre when it came out wasnt even an option in my mind, and i ended up loving it sooo much

it was super exciting to me to actually play a sg game right when it comes out

[surreal marlin]

I hadn't heard of SGG until Hades EA. I was so hyped to play it that I basically bought a switch just for Hades. I've now played it on ps4 and ps5 as well and have since picked up Transistor and Bastion as well, both absolute gems

[safe river]

I mean, it's not how they look, it's how they play. If there was an autobattle option (or even pseudo-turn-based like Transistor, the best ever SGG game)...

[olive hull]

that is what i meant, yeah

even if its not your thing, looking past the "combat" its a fantastic game that instead of punishing you for losing, gives you a unique perspective on the story

i played an entire run where i lost every match and the story did not get any worse for sure. it was funny more than it was bad and you get to learn way more about the characters

and yeah, theres a lot of features that could have been added for people not into the gameplay, but the game has been out for a while so. alas

[safe river]

I probably feel as strongly about Transistor being beautiful as you do about Pyre (and I really am sad that it's turn-plan mechanic - and the granular positive and negative difficulty modifiers - didn't make it to more games)

[olive hull]

transistor is also my favorite :P

im just sad pyre is so niche and overlooked bc its so good

[surreal marlin]

Transistor is the GOAT, but y'all have got me interested in pyre. I'll pick it up when I'm done with my current backlog

[hasty drift]

I liked Pyre more than Transistor, I tried Transistor for a bit but did not like the combat at all

[olive hull]

for me the combat is always secondary in story games. its true that bastion feels clunky now and transistor is hard to get used to and pyre is a sports game, and while i do like the gameplay in every supergiant games, im interested in the story first and foremost - and then gameplay

i have... a lot of hours on each sg game which would definitely not happen if the gameplay was bad/i didnt like it haha

[olive hull]

now is the perfect time with the steam sale! :D

[surreal marlin]

Locked to console 🥲but honestly, each SGG title has been worth full price and then some

[agile sedge]

hello, i have a question for y'all

is there anyone here, that was following the studio before the launch of hades

i need some information on the pre divulgation and launch of the game

for a work at my course

[olive hull]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-THgg8QnvU4JEVov1tMlFThNYS92F8uC this playlist is probably perfect for that!

[agile sedge]

oh nice thank you

[safe river]

Ironically, that was the thing that broke me when playing Hades: I was someone who took a long time to clear for the first time, and by that point I was very invested in all the side-plots that you can get involved in... and when you clear, all of the "plot conversations" get overloaded with Zag Main Plot stuff, which honestly, I'd stopped being invested in because I'd taken 106 runs to get this far and the main plot was kinda off my radar. (So I resented the plot from inserting itself aggressively into all the side-plots that I was far more interested in at that point.)

(One thing I would love Hades 2 to have would be a "which plot point do you want to progress with this conversation" toggle :D)

[quick bluff]

i can adapt to bad gameplay or gameplay i’m bad at as long as the story’s engaging. it’s harder to pull off in a format like hades since players progress at different paces. i can only imagine that’s something they’re taking note of for hades 2

[safe river]

All they need to do is add a way to pick which of multiple plot points you want to progess with a given character, and ideally a better-designed easy mode (god mode is a nice try, but it has design issues and they've had better difficulty controls in earlier SGG games...)

[quick bluff]

my only complaints for that would be

1. makes the story seem to develop a little less organically, though it could probably work if done well
2. doesn't really solve the problem of how spread out the story beats should be, whether for the main storyline or sidequests

[safe river]

I'm not sure how 1) is true - the issue for Hades which I'm trying to resolve here is that my Zag was deep into a series of conversations with Achilles about his subplot... and it made as much sense for him to continue talking with him (and especially with ||Patroclus on the other end of things||) about that as it would for him to progress the Zag-main-plot stuff. It explicitly felt forced that Zag immediately seemed to forget the thing he was invested in with Achilles here.

The story beat progression pacing is only a really significant issue for the main plotline, if it ||requires a clear each time to really progess||, and the solution to that is just better difficulty modes so people can all progress within a narrower range of time windows.

although it really depends on what the priority is for SGG: obviously, in the limit of "wanting perfect story beats for everyone", a run-based game would have to have very dynamic difficulty for everyone, which would arguably harm the "game" side of things; whilst a perfectly balanced run-based game can't, by definition, have the same progression for everyone.

[pseudo prism]

imo the reason why having a "better-designed" easy mode is even a suggestion is bc god mode wasnt designed specifically as an easy mode in the first place. many people consider it one of course, but since supergiant's official suggestion of counteracting god mode's % is literally turning on the hard labor condition in the pact of punishment, i think its kind of a difficulty dial rather than straight up easy mode. like yes you will be taking less dmg with capped out god mode but. the only thing that is affected is the dmg you take. not how the enemies act, not how many spawn or anything, so i disagree that it is inherently an easy mode. at lower heat amounts, sure, the higher you climb though, no.

a LOT of people did request ways to reset god mode or freeze the % to some ideal point they found the game comfortable at, so i guess the better suggestion is expanding on the original with some further accessibility options maybe

[surreal marlin]

I think more games need difficulty scaling like how Hades' is. Being able to customize different aspects of the game to be harder the more you progress is the most creative and fun way I've seen difficulty done in video games in a long time, maybe ever. Too many games focus on damage dealt/received

For example, making things cost more or having to purge a boon is a great difficulty replacement for people who feel like they aren't doing enough damage. It undeniably makes the game harder and makes you play the game differently, but doesn't gatekeep people who still want a more casual experience

Can't wait to see how it's expanded on in Hades 2

[safe river]

My specific suggestion is that they should just do what they did with Transistor, but have it unlocked from the start - have granular 'boosts' you can apply which mirror the difficulty enhancements that Heat gives you but in the opposite direction. Heat is just the mechanism that Transistor already had for difficulty increase, and I find it baffling that SGG didn't use the same thing for difficulty decrease as well...
(Which is, yes, basically what a lot of modern games have as part of their Assist Mode stuff.)

[rugged sail]

Just finish Hades and was wondering if Children of Morta or Moonlighter was something close to it?

[zealous barn]

Moonlighter not really, it lacks the deep combat but got a shop mechanic. And you‘ll miss the evolving story

[rugged sail]

Well I hear that many Roguelike dont have deep story so is hard to tops Hades story I pressume

[scarlet bramble]

sadly, nothing will fill the void

[pure sinew]

.

[neon kayak]

.

[crisp osprey]

Formally submitting my request that SG make a fighting game

Like challenging yourself with every new title by doing something you've never done before? Do a competitive multiplayer game

Like to innovate? Find a way to marry competitive PvP with a strong narrative

It would be perfect and I would play nothing else. Thanks for hearing my proposal

[stiff swallow]

Dear Super Giant, please release Hades II tomorrow thank you.

[vale atlas]

True!

[hasty drift]

lol

[untold cove]

Pyre is this already

[ashen escarp]

There's no narrative to the PvP in Pyre

[untold cove]

Sure there is

[crisp osprey]

I have yet to play it (is currently installed though!), but my understanding was that the PvP is a side thing

[untold cove]

It is

[mystic meadow]

Hard to argue it’s a side thing for some of us when we have hundreds of hours in the game and most was spent on PvP

[untold cove]

Do you count the Jomuer Cup as a “Narrative”?

[indigo ginkgo]

I can’t believe it’s been mostly radio silence on hades 2 for 6 months

[modest badger]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[faint moth]

They'll announce something when they're ready too but until then, let them cook

[severe hinge]

Just got lament of Orpheus in my game and holy it was beautiful

[vale frost]

Hey I know I just joined but I just got an ad for this game
I think this is the right place to put this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.managames.myththor
It's the biggest rip off of hades I've ever seen

[violet hemlock]

The developers know i’m pretty sure, its been shared here before and it’s probably not a great idea to indirectly encourage people to look at it via sharing the link

But yeah its pretty silly

Reminds me of that one lotus knight game where its just the hollow knight art traced

[pseudo prism]

supergiant is aware of this game, yes. its been around for a couple years

[shadow glen]

it's a shame for people who stole a masterpiece like this

Hades is such great game even copy of it looks good

[warm jackal]

Must still report that I just got an ad of this with several visible assets of Hades displayed on the thumbnail, such as the minotaur, same color palet and art style, beyond other things.
Came in here to try and report it but am glad to see people are aware of it. This is copyright infringiment in several levels. Hope supergiant can prosecute

[low hinge]

Supergiant have always had the motto of showing what they got when it's ready. it was the same deal for Hades as well after it's last early access update when things were quiet till BAM Shadow dropped on Switch and PC

[spring coral]

Gamescom is next week
Don't know if they will be there, but maybe we'll get an announcement or something like that

[low hinge]

Don't put too much into it but it would be a nice surprise

[spring coral]

Yeah I'm not putting my hopes up

[surreal marlin]

Imagine they hit us with the same trailer

[violet hemlock]

sometimes i remember the “remember the bastion” medley exists and its so good you guys

[ocean pelican]

it is!

[violet hemlock]

the ending when its setting sail/coming home and more of build that wall

[ocean pelican]

I love the change from spike on a rail (which is beautiful on it's own) to setting sail

[bold cape]

Does anyone have insider info on hades 2?

[formal geyser]

No

[uneven rapids]

No

[zealous barn]

Right around the corner

[faint moth]

My inside sources (my brain) tells me that based on the gay (affectionate) presented in hades the level of gay in hades 2 will be equal if not greater

*I have no actual knowledge of the level of gay (affectionate) in Hades 2

[surreal marlin]

My insider sources have told that this is, in fact, a sequel to the popular game "Hades"

[formal geyser]

It will, in fact, have characters based on Greek mythology

[violet hemlock]

well i mean im not supposed to say this but…

||it’s gonna be a rougelite||

[analog pewter]

😱

[vale atlas]

I'm not supposed to tell y'all this but there might be dialogue in Hades 2!

[ashen escarp]

Ya'all have it all wrong, it's a gacha tcg

With desync multiplayer autochess gameplay

[keen bolt]

[vale atlas]

Nightmare timeline

[rugged parcel]

Hey anyone else here going to Pax West? i'm wondering if people would be interested in a fan/cosplay meetup for all things supergiant

@me if you are

[ebon nebula]

guys ... don't quote me on this but there might be characters in hades 2.....

[violet hemlock]

yall idk about this bur i have this weird feeling okay its kinda crazy but

theres this rumor

its produced

by supergiant games

[open prism]

im new to hades is there a way to upgrade weapons?

[small terrace]

Yes, but you don’t have access to it immediately

[modest badger]

[Blood and darkness], I saw SuperGiant posted on their Instagram page for the first time since January, saw the Hades logo and thought there was news on the sequel

But I guess the Vinyl reissues are cool to those that care

[pastel sparrow]

Painful to those who care with how fast they sell, always seems like they press ten of them

[olive hull]

I managed to snag them, I’m really happy

[ocean pelican]

Nice

[pastel sparrow]

Well done they’re few of my vgm grails love the soundtracks

[olive hull]

literally counting down the minutes, set 3 alarms, and missed the bastion cael yellow edition 😭

[ocean pelican]

Would love to get the bastion one but no money and nowhere to play it

[olive hull]

still not sure if it was an error due to getting it too early bc there is no way they got sold out in less than a minute… right…?

Either way I still ordered them already so

[pastel sparrow]

I was sat there on BSR from 59 and from 17:00 it was cart error all the way

[pastel sparrow]

That’s how I missed out on all the original pressings didn’t think they’d be this rare

[olive hull]

I’m hoping for a reissue of the other ones, especially the songs of supergiant one. Just… not this soon… my wallet

[pastel sparrow]

They defo didn’t have many on BSR, but the iam8bit took 15 minutes to sell out

[olive hull]

ahhh maybe it was an error. Oh well

[violet hemlock]

im so sad i didnt get any

[olive hull]

:(

[ocean pelican]

Rip o7

[violet hemlock]

my supergiant vinyl collection remains 0

i almost bought the hollow knight ones when they came back in sale but they were expensive and i jind of regret not getting jt

i need more game soundtracks)!

Oh i could get bastion

[wild patrol]

sold out

murder is the only way

[ocean pelican]

Wonder how many of them were resellers

[spring coral]

No Supergiant @ Gamescom
But I met a Melinöe Cosplayer today

[noble vapor]

you guys can vinyl??

eh, if nothing else i know my older bro either has or will one day buy hades' ost on vinyl

[olive hull]

I got the 10th anniv vinyls like ages ago but it was when hades just started development, so it had only one hades single record

And my sg collection knows no bounds. Forever lamenting that I wasn’t into bastion when the scumbag plushie was around, because I want it to bad

[noble vapor]

what supergiant plushies are floating around anyway

transistor's the last of the 4 games i've yet to beat

[olive hull]

the ones in fangamer, the tizo plushie which I think is no longer being sold, and the elusive scumbag

I need it

[ocean pelican]

looks yeetable

I love it

[noble vapor]

do not throw scumbag
instead, throw ti'zo like a grenade, he'll be ok

[olive hull]

wapow

[short tundra]

i have the scumbag, i got him on the second run. he's shaped like a friend

[violet hemlock]

FRIEND!!

[short tundra]

proof

[olive hull]

I love him

He is my greatest hope for future fangamer merch

[violet hemlock]

do not the scumbag

[cobalt perch]

Anyone know what the best way to be alerted of future vinyl represses? I just found out hades got repressed on iam8bit yesterday and is already sold out 😭 it Doesn't look like any heads up was given on email lists or even this discord in advance 😦

[formal geyser]

On twitter the supergiant social account doesn't post too often but will always retweet announcements like that, so if you follow them and turn notifications on for everything you can get news when it becomes available, thats how I keep up to date

[opaque valve]

Did Supergiant's Facebook get hacked?

[zealous barn]

I think it's 'just' a bootleg account that's doing the commenting

[dense crystal]

he is shaped like a friend
Never truer words have been spoken

[keen field]

Will Supergiant have a booth at PAX WEST this weekend?

[tribal coyote]

Does anyone know how often the fangamer store gets restocked? I’ve been dying to get my hands on Red’s Empty Set poster and it says restock planned

[short tundra]

i found this on fangamer's website:
If or when a product will be restocked varies from product to product! If there's no restock date on the product's store page and you would like more information, please feel free to contact us.

their email addresses appear to be [e-mail] and [e-mail]

[tribal coyote]

Awesome tysm ❤️

[short tundra]

yeah for sure 👍

btw here is the about page that has their emails and other things: https://www.fangamer.com/pages/about
and here is their help/faq page: https://www.fangamer.com/pages/help

for anyone who may need it

[eternal fractal]

I clicked on the Displate website and was wondering if they are even allowed to be using the Hades artwork (and other Supergiant artwork) for their products? It looks to me a lot of artwork has been stolen on this site.

Some of the listings I've found on their site:
https://displate.com/displate/6200142

https://displate.com/displate/6079579

https://displate.com/displate/6079595

Apologies if this is not the correct place to discuss this ^^

[ashen escarp]

Yeah, Displate are notorious thieves

[eternal fractal]

Really disappointing to hear - a channel I was watching promoted them and I got suspicious seeing what looked like fanart on the website. Spotting Jen Zee's art was the tipping point

[spark path]

they do have official, licensed collections. no idea why they allow blatant art theft though

[pearl ermine]

hello?

[olive hull]

sorry about that, someone was spamming pings. banned

[lost vector]

who just ghost pinged me?

[gusty stirrup]

how did he even got permission

[lost vector]

oh.

nvm.

[floral grotto]

Dang, I was hoping for a Hades II announcement or something haha

[dusky wing]

whomst've pinged me

[neon kayak]

my heart stopped i thought we we're getting hades 2 news

alas

[green berry]

that was quite epic

[leaden kernel]

Must’ve been a naughty shade

[bold chasm]

A ping? Hm. Indeed. I have lurked long enough.

proceeds to lurk more until Hades 2 comes out in some form or fashion

[neon kayak]

i died when i saw that it was just a ghost ping and not hades 2 news

[next schooner]

no hades 2 news means the void i must return

[boreal juniper]

damn

and i was so excited

[faint moth]

sorry about that, we had someone come by spamming role pings earlier

[spare badge]

Also dead and sad, but it happens, no worries

[proud zodiac]

what did jen zee make the character art with?

[wild patrol]

photoshop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800967579920760855/1150978921542733844/image.png

[raw cove]

Um, guys, which engine did SG use to make their game on again?

[olive hull]

Not unity

[vale atlas]

Thank gods

[sand crown]

I swear super giant as a company and game development studio, do things so bang on.
10/10 work every step of the way.

[deep jolt]

SGG uses their own engine but i dont know the details besides that

[azure prawn]

Highly custom monogame engine, ported to C++ and also use LUA scripts to manage progress and story wise decisions.

It also uses modules from a modular engine, but I cant remember the name now heh

Mostly for LUA which was pretty unoptymised in early development of Hades, they improved it a lot thanks to 3rd party engine devs to make it multi core and that allowed them to run these heavy scripts on low clocked 4 core switch

So we can say, that they just use what they need at current project

With mix of own tools

Got it!
They also use renderer (and the LUA engine) by The Forge
https://github.com/ConfettiFX/The-Forge

[green fern]

Hello
Don't you think that MK1 has a moment with the soundtrack from Bastion?

[spring musk]

I know I've never talked in this server before, but I just wanna make my appreciation known for the amazing OSTs y'all have made

<3

there are genuinely no bad songs

every single one fits a unique mood

[little oar]

Good riddance by eurydice is so angelic

[spring musk]

Yep

In the Flame from Pyre is also wonderful

[next shoal]

Hello, I really want to play Hades, does anyone here have any game keys left?

Thank you very much in advance!

[olive hull]

theres no need to post it in 3 channels, but i also doubt anyone in this server just has keys laying around

[next shoal]

Sorry for sending it to 3 channels, it doesn't hurt to try your luck. I really want to play, but I can't afford to buy

I hope someone here has

[next shoal]

I understand that it's a significant request, but I promise you, it would mean the world to me. I'm not one to ask for favors lightly, and I genuinely appreciate your consideration. If there's any way you could help me get a copy of hades, I would be beyond grateful. It's a game I've been dreaming of playing, and I'm eager to embark on this adventure. Thank you so much for even considering it!

[olive hull]

you could try your luck on game gifting subreddits

[next shoal]

do you have any link?

[olive hull]

r/giftofgames

or you could save up and wait for a sale if possible

its gone down to 50% before on steam

and there is a sale in 2 months approximately

[next shoal]

Ok, I'll try to classify in other places. Because I really want to play

Thanks @olive hull

[carmine mesa]

Ok so my head is doing things:

What if World of Warcraft but in the Downside, with a frontier civilization establishing itself

So kinda a bridge between Pyre and Bastion in styles

But also an ARPG?

With classes, areas and stuff

Ok probably more Diablo/poe than wow, but yeah full world arpg in pyre

Mostly for the beauty of it

[ashen escarp]

I'm down with it but only if you solve every problem with fantasy variants of sports

[ocean pelican]

Assuming this would be a sequel not so long in the future ||the rites would be gone as a mandatory thing||

[carmine mesa]

Yeah, it's basically a Hades but in a semi open world

Long time has passed, and part of the commonwealth tries to expand into the Downside either for resources, adventure, pilgrimage or escaping justice/start anew

Each rite site becomes a shrine that attracts people of each folk, with their respective town built nearby

My current idea is really based on classic wow experience, but with a Hades ARPG execution

[carmine mesa]

People do still play basketball for fun though

[granite lynx]

28 STAB WOUNDS!!!

[olive hull]

[vague mango]

nice (:

[vale atlas]

No one has ever had fun playing basketball I think

[ocean pelican]

Magic basketball is fun

[short tundra]

basketball is much more fun if you get sent to hell every time you score

[hasty drift]

more incentive to do half court shots

[ocean pelican]

Or gain enough wisdom that you can say no to being sent to hell

[regal current]

Hi, I'm looking for a press email re: Hades II. Could someone point me in the right direction? :)

[short tundra]

the easiest way to reach the supergiant team is via the 'contact us' form on their website, here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/, or by their twitter account @/supergiantgames

[olive hull]

I saw they were on sale and never bought anything faster in my life. now I really wish pyre was on switch

[short tundra]

maybe if we all pool our money we can fund a pyre switch port

[shell shadow]

Ypoo literally my lineup except Pyre which I got for Steam

[olive hull]

I have (and played) all of them already on steam

[humble thunder]

when ne game

new

[faint moth]

#announcements message
Your answer to the question can be found here

[wooden fern]

What

[vale atlas]

That doesn't look sus at all

[violet hemlock]

@olive hull oh moderator (questionsable behavior/seems like scamming)

[olive hull]

oh no i accidentally reacted to it. nobody saw that

[clear crescent]

Me on my way to apply for gameplay engineer with zero professional gamedev experience

[verbal raft]

^

[vale atlas]

^

[untold cove]

I made mods for Pyre does that count

[vale atlas]

Yes

Given they actually went into the Hades speedrunning discord's nodding section to post about the job opening I'd say modding a SGG game does absolutely count

[surreal marlin]

Supergiant really gonna make me get into indie game development so I can have the experience they want

[vale atlas]

Do it!

[formal geyser]

Pyre modders unite

[untold cove]

You're defo better than I

And I also have a job already

This one's yours, kid

[clear crescent]

Just applied

[vagrant rampart]

Gl

[neon kayak]

would be cool if supergiant offered internships

have some student perspective in their workforce (like me )

[outer zodiac]

Probably can't risk y'all eating all the dim sum

[mint plank]

what is the supergiant part of sgg

is it because the games are really big, being "super-giant"
is the supergiant some kind of mascot
are they the super giants

[outer zodiac]

Given their logo's a star, maybe it's a reference to a type of star

[short tundra]

supergiant stars are stars that are super super big

[untold cove]

The ones that go supernova when they die

[willow hornet]

i love stars and reading about them. kinda disappointed that betelgeuse wasn't going supernova back when it dimmed

[violet hemlock]

maybe try saying it three times

[eternal hazel]

Hmm

[inland crescent]

.

[heavy fable]

tomarrow im getting the steam deck and hades :D

[modest jetty]

Supergiant should consider releasing hades on mobile platforms

The game's pretty light for a PC game

[vagrant rampart]

I mean you could put aid and call on the two top corners, something to control on the lower left and dash attack cast special on the lower right (or you can simply connect a controller to your phone)