h2-for-new-players

[tidal moss]

Or go to discussions channel

[hybrid gale]

Ok

[proud pebble]

Where do I find bronze? Ive gotten to the fields of mourning but havent seen it. Is bronze in || olympus ||

Also the Axe feels so good wth homies 😭
No one could share this info with me

[tidal moss]

It's in the ||first surface region||

Spoliersw

[proud pebble]

Ah okay thank uuuu

Man, why is Nemesis so mean to Melione she is trying her best

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-why-mean-robbie-daymond-unfair-gif-26313564

[foggy radish]

she's projecting

and jealous

[proud pebble]

My butch tomboy tsundere goddess of vengence and justice be like that ig fr fr

[radiant vault]

||anyone know how to progress underworld? I’m at a point where I can’t commune with Zag||

||I assume they want me to do surface now||

[tidal moss]

Yes

[radiant vault]

||I got to the beginning of the peak but died immediately because I lost all my DD coins during prometheus||

||I might turn of the vows for awhile till I get some clears on my belt||

[tidal moss]

It is harder so yes, good idea

[primal trench]

Answered yourself

[whole pilot]

Just done Hades 100%, give me a reason why should I buy the sequel?, is it different and still have the same element?, and the game are lighter than the first one, it's cool tho

[wintry rivet]

The core concept is same, but the character feel different (no multi dash in h2, but enemy balanced around that)

Different weapon play differently and god boon are stronger

2 different route mean double amount of content to play with

Less bs option for difficulty option

[whole pilot]

That's nicee

But can it runs on integrated graphics on Intel ires xe tho?, the graphics card recommendation are rtx 2060

[wintry rivet]

Good question, idk lol

[primal trench]

Probably

[primal trench]

Worst case scenario steam let's you refund, buy it run it for a bit, if you cant run it just refund

[whole pilot]

Yeah, glad Steam had a awesome support, thanks for the advice

[radiant vault]

you could just keep it on your library till your able to run it

[high flame]

We’re do you find bronze

[tidal moss]

||first region of surface||

[dry pier]

Why are the god boon spawn rates so terrible

[primal trench]

what

[dry pier]

Well ive been multiple runs where im having to fight sidebosses and hectate with 1 god boon

[primal trench]

cant say that has ever happened to me, consider maybe running the artificer until your luck gets better?

[proven gazelle]

Artificer, boatman, dont get me wrong erebus is notorious for giving you almost nothing but theres ways to go around it

[primal trench]

i usually get 2 to 3 boons, plus a hammer or hermes by the time i get to hecate

but yeah try artificer

[proven gazelle]

Boatman guarantees 2 boons(one from each shop) so that helps a lot too

[primal trench]

yeah

[dry pier]

The what i don't have that unlocked

[primal trench]

its in the arcana

[dry pier]

Yeah i don't have that card yet

[primal trench]

i see, yeah youre working thru your unlocks

[tidal moss]

Are you going to the shops?

You should be able to get at least 2-3 boons before hec every run

[dry pier]

Ive been there a few times talking to charon

[vivid flare]

At rank 3, it does. At rank 1 or 2, it's only one guaranteed and most of the way to a second

[primal trench]

not if you dont have the money

they still working on their arcana

[tidal moss]

You get enpugh in erebus for one at endshop, one at the start of a run

[primal trench]

you need 2 gold rooms to afford one at the end shop

so youre not guaranteed one on the midshop, assuming the midshop even shows

[stiff hawk]

you get gold from enemy kills + jars + Hermes can sometimes give 100+ with that one boon

also treasure troves and Nemesis

[hidden marlin]

Does strife ever stop debuffing you in runs?

[primal trench]

yes, after like 10 runs

[vivid flare]

She'll also spawn later and later during those 10 runs

[tall kernel]

do you mean does she ever stop giving you a massive amount of bones or ash or other stuff to help you get stronger in arcana or at the vendor while blessing you with some humor and giving you a fun challenge moving forward? sadly, yes 😭

[lilac sundial]

I know I wish she could keep coming and she teased it in this latest patch but then Mel threatened to pluck all her feathers. Then again I don't need the resources or extra challenge now.

[rough dirge]

Newbie mistake: I primed ALL of my magic meter! 😅

[craggy perch]

Oh yeah doing that is hilarious

I did that once with moonstone axe with a hammer or two on the omega attack and I died so quick

[fossil condor]

They really renamed Tony to Oh No

[rustic hinge]

when was he called tony?

[stiff hawk]

did you mean Uh Oh? the rat?

that's actually a returning boss from Hades 1, you will learn its real name once Odysseus tells you about it

[vivid flare]

It's Haelian's nickname for the rat

[winter basin]

It’s real name is Tony

And he is a menace

[novel ore]

i just bought hades 2, im not fully finished hades 1 but it was on sale so i decided to get it, but im excited to play it

[craggy perch]

Hell yeah, welcome to the club

[novel ore]

in hades 1 i did get persephone back, thats where im currently at, will likely start hades 2 while im doing the other ending in hades 1 too

[novel ore]

i was wondering are the twin blades like the sword in hades?

[craggy perch]

they're more similar to the twin fists

[proven gazelle]

staff is gonna be more like the sword

[craggy perch]

in terms of equivalency yeah, most versatile and standard

coat feels most similar in terms of gameplay to me at least, w/ dash strikes and fast movement being key to using it

[vivid flare]

No?

Maybe in that they're bad apart from the hidden aspect

[craggy perch]

be nice to infernal sword </3

infernal sword put food on the table and a roof over your head...

[vivid flare]

That was the Twin Fists

[coarse dune]

yo anyone got any general tips hades 2 coz it feels so different from hades 1 and im still getting used to it

also why can't i gift frinos nectar

[craggy perch]

1, if you feel like youre running around to reposition a lot, use your cast more
2, mel is a lot less melee than zagreus, at least when starting out
3, Zeus, Posiedon, Hephaestus, and Hestia are your flat damage dealers, everyone else gives percentages. staff reg attack and the knives like these gods a lot (except maybe heph, hes weird)

also frinos (and other pets) need witch's delight, youll unlock it later

[coarse dune]

i alr love the cast so much and its basically a reflex after only 5 hours to just hit it whenever scary baddies get close, i wanna be melee :(, and thanks for thegod info. im still really confused about the olympus path tho am i supposed to forgoe fighting and just run around the arenas before i die to get the incantation or do i just have to be crazy fast and hella lucky, atp all i need for the incantation is thalamus but i have absolutely no idea where it could be or if im even up to it yet

[craggy perch]

for the pre incantation olympus path... yes.

[wanton nest]

You need to dig whenever you go into Chaos' realm for the seed that gives you the thalamus iirc

it should discern itself with a yellow sparkle if available

[coarse dune]

in chaos? really?

[wanton nest]

yes :] sometimes the digging spot doesn't appear though

[coarse dune]

sucks

so once again we have to depend on the rng for progression

im 80 hours into hades 1 and i STILL havent gotten hypnos quest

[wanton nest]

I'm not sure if this is the case still but Chaos gives you the Origin Seeds too when you enter the gate again after you die from the curse

[craggy perch]

-# wait hold on im 110 hours in, there's a hypnos quest???

[wanton nest]

and one seed gives you x2 thalamus

[coarse dune]

i have bond forged with everyone except hypnos, aphrodite, and dusa

[coarse dune]

so you have to die going into chaos gate to recieve seed? and it give you two thalamus when harvest?

[wanton nest]

yep, you gotta get slapped out of the surface first

[coarse dune]

so die in surface, go to under, go chaos, die going into chaos, get seed?

[craggy perch]

you dont have to die going into chaos, you just have to go to the surface once then meet w/ chaos

and you already did the first bit

[coarse dune]

oh thats easier

[wanton nest]

die only on the surface, no need to die into the gate :]

[coarse dune]

also i don't know what melinoe's beef with scylla and the sirens music is, im going to claw (out your eyes and drown you to death) is a pretty cool boss anthem

[wanton nest]

after you receive the seed the digging spot in the realm will appear most of the time barring some unluckiness

[wanton nest]

so real, I love the vocals as always <3

supergiant don't miss

[coarse dune]

only darren korb can recieve my seed

[craggy perch]

claw out your eyes is genuinely my favorite song in the game rn, im so sad that the version in the crossroads doesnt have vocals

[coarse dune]

it wont let me post image of big E saying only men will recieve my seed 🙁

i was so exited for darren korbs new compositions in hades 2 that i purposefuly stayed away from all spoilers of music and such and i was so exited when i got tyo scylla for the first time coz i knew he was gonna cook up a banger for the band and music themed boss

when chronos sucked me into asphodel i was so confused i kinda just sat there with my mouth hanging open at the screen and when i beat the encounter i instinctively ran straight for the barges at the end

[vivid flare]

||She's a closet fan||

[coarse dune]

lol

[vivid flare]

That's not a joke, either

[novel ore]

thanks! i might try and 100% hades 1 first then i'll come back to hades 2

[coarse dune]

any suggestions on what keepsakes to level?

[wintry rivet]

I don't worry keepsake level that much until unlock 2x keepsake exp

[coarse dune]

theres 2x keepsake xp?

[wintry rivet]

Yes

[coarse dune]

damn thats cool

i did notice that it felt longer to level them through encounters

are there less encounters in hades 2 compared to 1?

[vivid flare]

Pin

[wintry rivet]

Didn't count, but with 2x exp it usually 1.5 full run to fully level up keepsake

[vivid flare]

Antler, too

[coarse dune]

who is pin again?

[north ridge]

I’m finding success with tooth early, nice to have the extra life

[vivid flare]

Moros

[vivid flare]

Now imagine a reusable one

[coarse dune]

i used the tooth and got it to max first but then swapped to the one from dora and got to cronos without using my dd which i was very proud of

[vivid flare]

Because that's what Pin gives you

[coarse dune]

is it like stubborn defiance?

[vivid flare]

Moreover, unlike Tooth, Pin triggers before your Card DDs

[north ridge]

Just got the quest for moros so hopefully soon I’ll be able to try that!

[serene laurel]

Why’d I open up chat to this

[vivid flare]

With some extra rules added, but yes

There's a Boon later on that's genuinely just Stubborn Defiance, FWIW

[vivid flare]

(Like how you have a 10-second invulnerable window to clear the encounter to get your res)

[serene laurel]

(Yes but it’s also not worth it)

[coarse dune]

hey i got the origin seeds

[north ridge]

If Darren Korb has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Darren Korb has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Darren Korb has only one fan then that is me. If Darren Korb has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Darren Korb, then I am against the world.

[serene laurel]

Just get RF easy

[vivid flare]

I mean, it has its place if you're a Strength runner

[serene laurel]

Does it not disable strength???

[proven gazelle]

yeah but like who cares

[coarse dune]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[proven gazelle]

stubborn defiance

[vivid flare]

It does disable, but at the same time, Stubborn Defiance

[serene laurel]

Hmm true I never considered
Stubborn Defiance

[vivid flare]

Plus it means you can safely take Pin on Strength if you roll it

[tidal moss]

Darren Korb fell off for H2

[serene laurel]

Hush

[tidal moss]

I will not be discussing this

[serene laurel]

Good

[karmic sable]

Darren actually has the power to conjure falling pianos to crush anybody who complains about his music, but he's really nice and refuses to use it.

[coarse dune]

if anyone DARES to put dirt on darrens name i will be come very upsetti spaghetti

[north ridge]

I haven’t even listened to all the tracks, just hades 1 has had at least a track or two in my most played songs for years now. Sometimes if you get to the peak the only other route is down.

[vivid flare]

But in this game you can do both

[coarse dune]

i really like how narcissus is one of the people during the run

which of his gifts do you guys recommend early on because i like taking the 6 silver and gold for my nocturnal arms but im wondering if theres a better option like taking the psyche

[vivid flare]

Nah, the silver's a good pick to get all your weapons unlocked

[meager mauve]

This is me for every super giant game, every game has at least 2-3 tracks that becomes my main rotation. To me transistors to this day wins.

[proven gazelle]

you kinda treat him how you would sisyphus in the first game, take whatever meta resource you need from him first then eventually once you dont need more youll start taking the stuff depending on the run

[meager mauve]

Transistor is like, half the ost for me is on a main play list lol

[vivid flare]

Getting each of your first 4 weapons unlocked and to Hecate is pretty important since it gates the dialogue that ||unlocks weapon aspects and upgrades||

And then after that, it's more of a play-by-ear

[coarse dune]

ok

i just went up against "uh-oh"

i am now on two health with no DD

i am very scared please help

7 health going into scylla
ez fight trust

at least i get to go back and plant my origin seeds

[coarse dune]

right so i've trivialised hecate

what do the little pages above doors mean?

[proven gazelle]

if the room has something you need for a minor prophecy

so like a certain god youre missing boons from, a miniboss you havent killed, etc etc

[coarse dune]

can you only get phantom rooms in the fields of mourning?

[proven gazelle]

wdym phantom rooms??

[coarse dune]

the dudes that suck up your health

[proven gazelle]

ohhhh the vampire guy yeah hes a fields miniboss

[coarse dune]

he sucks

only beat him once because of his absurd healing

[tidal moss]

He can't heal if you don't get hit by him

[coarse dune]

you essentially can't be hit otherwise your gonna be doiing that fight for so much longer

[tidal moss]

Also probably a build issue

[coarse dune]

yeah probably
the only time out of the 4 times ive faced him where i won, i then beat puppy and got to chronos without using DD

[fossil condor]

Beast soothed

[coarse dune]

cerberus vanquished
(he's fine)

yo the spread on ceberus' fire breath is crazy

[tidal moss]

This is why we have sprint

[coarse dune]

i know im just ass and it was the first time ive seen it

first time running into hades bro insane cameo

[primal trench]

Cameo, lmao

[coarse dune]

idk i was just hyped man

its cool how narcissus is one of the side encounters and so is echo

i hope theres dialogue where they refer to eachother

so do witches delights only work once then you have to reapply them or is it permanent?

[tidal moss]

Perm

[coarse dune]

lovely thank you

[vivid flare]

They're permanent, you can think of the pets as being a similar idea as the plushies in the first game

[coarse dune]

can you craft anymore than the first three you get or obtain them some other way or is it just the three?

[vivid flare]

You can, it's what that purple rock in the training room is for

[coarse dune]

huh

ill check it out thx

[vivid flare]

Besides, you'll have to craft more, seeing as how there's 5 pets

And an achievement for getting all 5 to max level, IIRC

As well as pet cosmetics that are locked behind that, too

[coarse dune]

THERES OUTFITS FOR THE FROG?

GIVE ME

[tidal moss]

There's outfits for all of them

[meager mauve]

There is quite a bit of grinding to get those outfits unlocked be warned lol

[coarse dune]

i am always incredibly scared whenever i come across a new mythologically accurate boss like i came across charybdis and talos in my first olympus run after the incantation and i became incredibly frightened when i saw that i had to fight greek cthulu and a metal warrior that is supposed to be a wee bit taller than he is in the game but still scary

[fossil condor]

Died to the final ||eris|| bomb

😔 how dare they use that weapon against us

[primal trench]

Its her aspect after all

[stiff hawk]

I love how her double damage buff vfx are the same as in the first game, a cool little detail

[coarse dune]

hey i beat my first run

[pulsar mesa]

I'm already to Fear level 16 with the black coat, but when I equip it, it doesn't have the -12 fear thing checked off anymore. Does anyone know why?

[stiff hawk]

the 12 fear thing is for the second statue, nothing to do with weapons

[crisp yarrow]

Small question about fear in this game. If my bounty is in ||the surface|| but I really wann do normal with that weapon, do I get anything at all by increasing fear?

[stiff hawk]

if you're playing at 12+ fear, there will be a table with moondust/stardust/nightmare (random) in the last region in one of the rooms

[crisp yarrow]

And below that I get nothing?

Cause I just unlocked fear

[stiff hawk]

below that you can't claim the reward yeah

it also has pet treats sometimes

[crisp yarrow]

Do the bounties rotate? Or will it have the same boss until I clear it?

[stiff hawk]

they do not rotate

[primal trench]

Until cleared

[pulsar mesa]

Is there no second LONGER path in Tartarus anymore?

[cursive roost]

some rooms can absolutely offer an alternate path with boons and such

some rooms only has the singular "express route"

it's all RNG

[pulsar mesa]

On my third tarturs run since the update and only seen 2 optional paths that werent the no reward express route

[cursive roost]

unlucky, I'm trying to get RNG in my favor too haha, oh well

[pulsar mesa]

I'm pretty sure they changed it. Otherwise I would have seen the usuall 2 choices for almost every location

[primal trench]

Ifs rng yeah

[stiff hawk]

it's entirely possible to get 0 siderooms in a run, not even dad

[pulsar mesa]

not 3 runs in a row. Not since it's never happend in the first 120 hours I played before the patch

[primal trench]

Youre hitting an unlucky streak, happens

Its bound to happen

[stiff hawk]

might as well report it in #h2-tech-support, Gavin is collecting bug reports for any future hotfixes
who knows, maybe they messed up something

[cursive roost]

oof, I feel ya though, I'm trying to get the "fates' trimming" from narcissus and dutifully bringing dice arcanas (despite my preference otherwise) to the underworld each time, it's gotta be 10+ runs now with that as my explicit purpose

maybe it's time for me to get superstitious and start rerolling at the oath for an arbitrary amount of times

[tidal moss]

Just bad luck

[pulsar mesa]

I'm confused, I JUST beat the underworld AND the surface with the black coat. Underworld at Fear 16 and Surface at fear 12. How do I unlock the seed reroll incantation?

[proven gazelle]

Epilogue

[tidal moss]

You need to be in the epilogue

[pulsar mesa]

I "beat" the game and have the 2nd statue unlocked and did a few dream runs before getting the 2nd statue. Is that not the epilogue?

[dense anchor]

no

the epilogue is when you find the ||fates||

[pulsar mesa]

oh jeebus now I'm gonna have to google how to find them

[primal trench]

Check your prophecies

[stiff hawk]

the epilogue is the second ending, find the fates

[keen kelp]

is there any use for the sands or eyes after credits

[dense anchor]

prestiging

[stiff hawk]

decorations from Dora

the eye is also needed to unlock Shiva I believe

[keen kelp]

how do i even get the moros dialogue for the epilogue

im at the locked heart and he isnt talking to me anymore

[stiff hawk]

I believe you need to complete at least 35 prophecies to deepen the bond

[pulsar mesa]

on the prophecies list, what are the little hearts by some of them?

[primal trench]

You mean on the codex?

[winter citrus]

Your bond level with them - giving Nectar will unlock their Keepsake in addition to building your relationship.

[nova kiln]

they mean in the prophecies not in the codex

[nova kiln]

not 100% sure but i believe it means theyre part of the main story

[dry pier]

Man i keep losing to hecate

[tidal moss]

Do you want some help?

[dry pier]

Whats an early bread n butter weapon and boon setup if possible. Im abandoning the hestia and demmiter build

[tidal moss]

Staff, zeus on special, hera on attack

[dry pier]

I don't have hera yet good substitute?

[tidal moss]

What arcana are you using?

[north ridge]

Are there any other benefits to relationship maxxing?

[tidal moss]

You should be able to encounter her but dem is a good sub

[dry pier]

Ill list my arcana cards

[tidal moss]

Use crossroads

It's easier

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[dry pier]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNyIsImM5IiwiYzEyIiwiYzE4Il0=

[tidal moss]

Take off unseen and huntress immediately

Put on origination and furies

[dry pier]

I activated a run

One sec

[north ridge]

What’s the definition of curses? Just like weak, froth, etc? Debuffs?

[dry pier]

Wait huntress seems good no? Less mana = 30% extra damage

[meager mauve]

Gain boons is an essential part of builds so you will rarely find yourself in situations where your magic meter isn’t full

[tidal moss]

It only applies to your attack and special, no omegas, no on hit effects, nothing else, furies and origination are global damage

[rustic hinge]

its also 50

[tidal moss]

Yes, hitch, blitz, scorch, froth, glow, wounds, weak, daze, freeze, all count

[dry pier]

Sirens are so annoying

[north ridge]

Strong card then!

[north ridge]

Someone mentioned in this channel to kill drummer first and things were easy for me since

[tidal moss]

The best

[tidal moss]

This is the way

[dry pier]

This run is heavily chopped boyos i haven't seen zeus a single time and i have no attack 🥴

I got a duo boon lets go

[maiden furnace]

Swift n centaur are good cards to activate if u can too

[maiden furnace]

Did u start with a zeus keepsake?

[dry pier]

No ones keepsake

I just gifted zeus so ill be able to use his

[steel kindle]

is base power or attack speed better as a first upgrade for sister blades?

[tidal moss]

Attack Speed

[steel kindle]

Ty

[vivid flare]

This is true, and the only reason you will ever change this priority is if you're speedrunning

Because the guitarist has an annoying habit of jumping off the stage and becoming immune for a bit

[dry pier]

Im confused a bit

[tidal moss]

Why?

[dry pier]

Every time i kill hecte with the same weapon i get a cinder?

[tidal moss]

Yes, the boss rewards do not work the same as h1

All bosses will always drop the same rewards, the non mel aspect upgrades work a little different

[dry pier]

Oceanus is pretty damn hard compared to elysium

[maiden furnace]

Use ur cast and omegas to deal w big groups

[dry pier]

Okay stupid question do you I just press cast or hold it

[maiden furnace]

U can also dodge out of the omega cast while charging it

[maiden furnace]

Hold it for an omega cast that does a burst of damage

But the regular cast still slows plus whatever boon u got

Most omegas work well with charging n dodging at the same time

If u wanna spam omega attacks for example u can dodge when holding the button and itll start the next omega right after

[maiden furnace]

Id spam cast whenever u can its much more useful than Hades 1 cast. Plus furies arcana make it so u do extra dmg

[dry pier]

Im getting into a consistent rhythm of killing hecate now

But she leaves me with no hp for oceanus

[craggy perch]

With more/better arcana and dodge timing down you'll clear her easy pretty quick

[stiff hawk]

you pretty much never need to charge the cast, just tap the button to plop it down, I've 100%'d the game without ever using omega casts, I'm sure there's some build that uses them but it's very niche

just keep casting to CC the enemies, it's free and instant, there's no cooldown outside of the cast itself expiring

[dense anchor]

aspects of ||momus|| and ||circe|| can use them but yeah it's not necessary

[north ridge]

Use tooth

[dry pier]

Schelemeus?

[tall kernel]

yes, he's the tooth keepsake, but there is also Dora's onion that heals you along the way.

But you eventually get better, I'm pretty sure I can base mel staff hitless a zero fear hecate with basically any boon loadout.

just keep going for nectar rooms and make sure you give a nectar to every god at least once, and then use their keep sakes to learn their boons better.

eventually level up arcana cards. Wayward son gives heals, and eventually you unlock death for death defiances. That helps a lot early game for survivability.

Persistence also Centaur help with giving you more health and magic pool

[dry pier]

I hear artemis singing in charons shop but i don't see her?

[dense anchor]

wait what

[dry pier]

In Oceanus

I died but she was singing in charons shop

[dense anchor]

that's ||scylla|| singing haha

[dry pier]

Oh okay || the weird creepy guy was chronos||

What arcana should i go for next i have 60 ashes

I can send a crossroads of what i have unlocked

[rustic hinge]

go for it

[dry pier]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjOCIsImM5IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4Il0=

[rustic hinge]

bottom left corner and lovers stand out

[dry pier]

Enchantress?

[rustic hinge]

yeah the 3 dice cards

[dry pier]

I don't see a 3 dice card

[forest charm]

its not a dice card

theres multiple cards that give u dice

[dry pier]

A reroll i see

[forest charm]

exactly

[proud pebble]

Guys is Demeter romancable?

[craggy perch]

🥀

Mel's aunt...

[proud pebble]

I wish to smash the gilf leave me lone

[tall kernel]

I became a huge fan of strength when I had it fully leveled up.

[primal trench]

ill stick to my dds

[tall kernel]

strength gang is better for low fear

[primal trench]

strenght is kinda better for both low nd high

well depends how high

[tall kernel]

i heard it's rough when you take Vow of Scars

[stiff hawk]

I've literally only played Strength since the get go, got the ending in 50 runs, dunno if that's bad

[primal trench]

theres no good or bad

[stiff hawk]

without Strength it's like you're naked and take so much more damage

[primal trench]

yeah but you revive

[stiff hawk]

though if you already know everyone's movesets it doesn't matter too much if you play Strength or Death, my Great Chaos Below run was Death (and Artemis blades), I did fine

[primal trench]

it does matter. because strenght gives you dmg, which is very valuable

[tall kernel]

strength gives you also damage reduction, which makes wayward son even more powerful percentage wise.

[primal trench]

could mean the difference when playing with timer on

i do admit strenght is better, but i like death

[stiff hawk]

Death is better if you run the antler, which is much more damage
both cards have their uses

[tall kernel]

i'm not yet an antler user

my face is built like a tank still

[fossil condor]

Is it safe to sell all fish or do they have other uses?

[stiff hawk]

fish has no other uses

[tall kernel]

safe

[primal trench]

sell away

[fossil condor]

Just unlocked moon dust in the store so I actually have something to spend bones on

[stiff hawk]

Hades 1 had an edge case where you needed to show a fish to Poseidon, I don't think there's anything like it here though

[fossil condor]

And then I beat my first chaos trial at 4 eye difficulty 👀

[stiff hawk]

gg

[primal trench]

there isnt

in h1 you also couldnt hoard fish

[tall kernel]

why do I have no memory of what fish did in hades 1

[fossil condor]

Glad I didn’t bother to do the “Hecate with no arcana” fate since this trial had me do it anyway

[tall kernel]

wait, you traded them into the chef... i remember now

[primal trench]

you gave them to chef for resources

[stiff hawk]

you could, that's the thing, the strat was you just don't turn in the fish until Poseidon accepts it

[tall kernel]

I thought the chef was really charming... wish there was more things we could do with the bartender in the taverna

[primal trench]

but fish went away after the next run, so you couldnt actually hoard it

[stiff hawk]

no, it doesn't go away, there's that clip of someone turning in fish after 20 runs and it's hilarious

here
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/nuldr7/i_saved_all_my_fish_for_about_20_runs/

[primal trench]

yeah in that same thread it said on the wiki at one point "If the player starts a new run without turning in the fish, the fish caught in previous run will not be lost up to one run" so i guess it was changed?

i couldve swore at one point you lost them if you didnt turn them in

[stiff hawk]

it's just a bit janky because there's no fish inventory, so you don't know what you're holding

[primal trench]

just turn in after every run, simple

[fossil condor]

And now I have 3 DDs

It’s over for them

[vivid flare]

Yeah, and that Trial is real easy to crack open since it lets you take in a keepsake, and it keeps your Aspect level

I should take Antler in the next time I do that Trial, come to think of it

[hushed night]

Hey guys, 15 nights in, i don't seem to get relationship bar with characters despite many gifts, there's no hearts in codex. When do they appear?

[fossil condor]

There’s an incantation to let you see the hearts

[vivid flare]

You need to gift 15 people or so to get the incantation to see relationship levels

[viral wave]

I feel like I'm going to roll credits at this point before ||Artemis gives me the incantation for The Morrigan||. Am I getting very unlucky with appearances/dialogue priority, or is it a weird case of where ||getting wins too quickly keeps pushing it down the pile, which means I'm quite literally suffering from success? I have all six weapons unlocked in their base forms, and I have Aspect of Artemis at Level 5, fwiw. Thanks in advance!||

[stiff hawk]

this game is not like Hades 1, the hidden aspect waking phrases are not "rare drops", if you fulfill the conditions the NPC will give it to you instantly

my guess is you don't have the aspect of pan unlocked

[vivid flare]

Even in Hades 1, they weren't "rare drops," they all had prerequisites

Spear needed 5 Blood invested in a weapon to start the hidden aspect chain, and the rest all needed 5 Blood in their respective weapons for the dialogue roll

[stiff hawk]

it would take many runs to have the gods give you the phrase even after fulfilling all conditions, they were all very low percentage

[viral wave]

Ah, I didn't realize having all of the base aspects of the weapon itself unlocked was also a pre-req. I thought it was just having all six of the weapons unlocked at base. Misread the general guidance.

And by "rare drop," I meant more that it wasn't always guaranteed that you'd have the right conversation with the right NPC at the right time; e.g. it took me multiple runs for Asterius to cough up his waking-phrase for the fists despite having them all unlocked, and five blood invested in a non-Zag aspect.

But thanks for the quick replies! Should be an easy sort, then.

[vivid flare]

Anyways, ||Artemis|| feels like she has the lowest priority for the unlock dialogue

All the others are generally pretty quick to cough up their respective waking phrases, though ||Circe has the issue of being way too rare and also having a bunch of other high-priority dialogues||

[viral wave]

Yeah, that was why I wanted to double-check about the priority stack. I was worried that I was ||giving Artemis too many other things to say to me, because she kept talking about what a good job I was doing.|| I was about to start throwing runs on purpose just to speed it up.

Thanks again all!

[stiff hawk]

for the record, it's the same for all other hidden aspects, you unlock BOTH non-default aspects, max out EITHER, talk to the NPC named after one of them, no need to have the weapon equipped

it has to be one of the nightmare aspects, maxing out the default Mel aspect won't do anything

[dry pier]

Okay i made it to scylla for the first time

[stiff hawk]

go for the drummer first, then it's easy

[fossil condor]

They were still rare drops in the sense of RNG dialogue being required and famously finicky

[fossil condor]

Turn up the volume

[dry pier]

I died 🥴

[vivid flare]

Well, don't do that next time

[viral wave]

Nothing quite like ||attacking into the killzone of Chronos' instant-kill black zone attack|| literally one frame too early and dying because Strength and ||Medea|| make your brain turn off and know only war. Was bound to happen at least once. At least it was funny!

[vivid flare]

It will happen again when you least expect it

[viral wave]

oh, that I do not doubt at all

[stiff hawk]

actually, what's the cut-off for when his small circle instakill actually ends? one time I dashed out too soon and died, so now I just wait for everything to disappear completely, but maybe that's too cautious

is it when the bam sound plays, or a bit later still

[viral wave]

I think the woosh/bam sound and the accompanying visual clearing-up is the correct cue; I dashed in right when I heard ||Chronos|| start to do the grunt-yell that happens right before the sound and visual cue for the attack itself triggered, and that's when I died.

Waiting for everything to disappear completely is very likely the safest and most correct move, to your credit.

[fossil condor]

Oh is the tiny circle thing an OHKO?

I went into that fight totally blind but with tons of DDs to blow, luckily I had enough damage to squeak out my first win

[viral wave]

The attack where ||everything in the arena goes black except for a small band in the middle of it|| is an instant-kill ||if you step into either of the black zones on either side of the safe, lit area||, yes.

And congrats on the win! The first of many, to be sure.

The ||tiny circle surrounded by the red aura on the rest of the screen|| is also an instant-kill if you're ||not standing on the circle when the attack ends||, as well

Dude just wants to murder you, it would seem.

[karmic sable]

I can't imagine why.

[coarse dune]

how do make spoiler tags in my messages coz im having a little trouble

[vivid flare]

||Like this||

[coarse dune]

what even are those lines and where are they on my keyboard

[vivid flare]

The vertical slash

[coarse dune]

there it is

so i just found || prometheus || for my first time last night any tips on beating him coz hes probably the most unique boss i've seen in both games from what i saw and i was very frightened

[zinc vortex]

I need to know too

[coarse dune]

oh my god are you the real donut lord?

[zinc vortex]

Yes

[vivid flare]

He does a lot of baited AoEs that you want to dash out of once they've locked in place, for one. For ||Simon Says, focus on where the safe zones are||

[coarse dune]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-tom-wachowski-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-what-confused-gif-1076305529429366336

[vivid flare]

Past that, the usual "stay behind them" rule applies

[zinc vortex]

I made this name for my Xbox account before watching the movie 😭

[vivid flare]

Sometimes ||he'll dodge you just for the style||

[coarse dune]

bro i was terrified when i saw the dodge above him

[zinc vortex]

What weapon is best for Prometheus I have every weapon

[vivid flare]

@zinc vortex

You'll have a Fear bounty to beat him with every weapon, so I suggest just learning the fight instead of any cheese setups

[coarse dune]

its just pattern recognition and if you've played the first game enough with enough heat then you could get most of the bosses down easy

[viral wave]

And if you haven't cleared the fight yet, I'd suggest sticking with whatever weapon you feel most comfortable with. Having your muscle memory in place will let you focus your energy on learning the fight/enemy patterns

[vivid flare]

Plus you'll absolutely want to learn his base moveset, because his ||Vow of Rivals fight doesn't add any new attack patterns, but complicates things in... other ways||

[zinc vortex]

When I first fought him I didn’t know that he was showing the order of his attacks so I thought he kept changing it then found out after I died

[coarse dune]

same

[vivid flare]

Nope, it's AoE telegraphs

[zinc vortex]

And with chronos I hate his attacks that do like hundreds of damage I can survive the first with the luckier tooth but the next one kills me it killed me when I had him at 1 hit

[vivid flare]

If you've played the critically-acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV Online, it's Surface-to-Air Missile from Copied Factory

[vivid flare]

Spoiler. Tags. Despite how few people seem to actually remember, we're supposed to be tagging everything after the Hecate fight

[zinc vortex]

Oh

[coarse dune]

for the new new people

[zinc vortex]

Ok

[coarse dune]

not like 10 hours in people

[vivid flare]

And those ||insta-kills have, like, a 10-second windup before they go off. Plus you can push him to a sub-phase and make him cancel the attack if you burst him fast enough||

[coarse dune]

i've found that i never actually have that high damage before i get to that point and all my fights end up being endurance battles

[zinc vortex]

How do I add spoiler

[vivid flare]

@zinc vortex

[coarse dune]

no space in between lines

[zinc vortex]

I have 5hr and ||Almost beat Chronos||

Twice

Or actually I might have more now but I almost did it first at 5t

Hr

[coarse dune]

i got to him once and it was just getting the patterns down and then i won on my next run i got there

[zinc vortex]

I started using black coat and I get there fast and get him really low with it

Is there a way to get multiple death defiances like in hades 1

[coarse dune]

yes

|| luckier tooth, toula pet, and maxed arcana card give you five ||

[zinc vortex]

Ok

This games upgrade system is way different than hades 1

[coarse dune]

yes its very weird but not bad at all

[zinc vortex]

Yeah I like that it’s not the same I played so much hades 1 I needed a change

[vivid flare]

There's a secret sixth one. ||Plus Chaos can also give you a DD||

[coarse dune]

i played like 80hrs and i didn't really get sick of it so when i got to 2 i was so used to 1 that it was so weird and unfamiliar i kinda had trouble playing the first few hours of 2

[zinc vortex]

Same lol I kept messing up trying to use a call and stuff forgetting that I’m playing 2

Hades 2 came out this Tuesday for me cuz I play on Xbox and I was so happy I waited 7 months for it

[vivid flare]

I mean, there are Call equivalents, they're just not very good

[fallow igloo]

||7 if you count athenas||

[polar laurel]

Can't ||chaos give several||

[vivid flare]

That would be the secret sixth one

[coarse dune]

i like the one where you heal coz if you upgrade it enough you can get like 40 on healo and like 8 uses

[polar laurel]

||circe|| is secreter

[fallow igloo]

||My bad i thought you meant chaos was the sixth||

[vivid flare]

My problem with is that it doesn't bypass the healing reduction Vow

[coarse dune]

the fear thing?

[vivid flare]

Yep

Would be a lot cooler if it did

[polar laurel]

Moon water goes from op to useless 💀

[coarse dune]

yeah when i first saw the 0% heal effectiveness i was shocked

[polar laurel]

I do not like scars 3, it feels anti-fun tbh

[vivid flare]

For what it's worth, there are actually a few sources of healing in this game that do bypass it, but the Hex isn't one

[polar laurel]

I think it should have been a 1 fear and 25% instead

That way boons that heal would be very nerfed, but not useless

[coarse dune]

i was thinking about whether fear 55 was more punishing than heat 64 can anyone provide an opinion?

[polar laurel]

55 fear?

Like, everything but rivals?

[vivid flare]

Or make it be like Eclipse 8 in RoR2, and have it be reduced healing (but not fully), and also have a percentage of every instance of damage prime your HP

[polar laurel]

Or just in general 55

[coarse dune]

just in general all the vows maxed to 55

[karmic sable]

Much less punishing generally.

[polar laurel]

Well if you max vows you get 67

[vivid flare]

There's an extra 12 Fear you don't have access to yet, which is the alt bosses

[polar laurel]

Ohhhhhhh

I forgot it got unlocked

[karmic sable]

Max fear is a very difficult challenge, while max heat is near impossible.

[polar laurel]

Mb

[vivid flare]

Max Heat is a massive RNG check with a decent skill check, max Fear is a massive skill check and a decent RNG check

[polar laurel]

Despite generally being less grindy than h1, for some reason h2 locks extreme measures 1-3 off for a while

[coarse dune]

h2 has EM nice

[polar laurel]

It's objectively more interesting and also way more annoying

[vivid flare]

TBF, each EM level in this game is a vibe check. Even if for 2 and 3, they're only vibe checks on one route

[polar laurel]

I'd say they're pretty universally immense buffs

With only one being a relatively smaller buff

They certainly aren't free fear like they are in h1

[vivid flare]

I mean, ||Unrivaled Eris|| and ||Unrivaled Cerby|| are generally considered only minor bumps from the base fight. Maybe less so for the latter

[polar laurel]

I'd argue ||rivals cerb|| is a pretty substantial jump up in difficulty

[karmic sable]

|| Scylla and Prometheus|| on the other hand are significantly more difficult.

[polar laurel]

||prom|| ngl not crazily harder imo

[vivid flare]

||Well, the problem with Unrivaled Prom isn't Prom||

[polar laurel]

||chronos and hecate|| get buffed harder than ||prom|| imo

[vivid flare]

The nefarious ||Unrivaled Sirens||

[polar laurel]

They already mentioned that

[karmic sable]

||Unrivaled Prom|| isn't too difficult on its own but the higher the fear the more likely you are to time out especially with Olympus being a long region already, making the fight into a major build check.

[polar laurel]

True I've timed out in Olympus many a time

I pretty much only ever time out in erebus and olympus

[karmic sable]

Definitely the two most common places for it to happen.

[polar laurel]

Erebus is crazy hard on higher fear for me specifically in timing out

The enemies are pathetic they just take a while to kill

[dry pier]

Where does ||thalamus drop?|| if it's past ||Oceanus|| i haven't been there yet

[vivid flare]

It is technically in, before, and after there

:3c

[dry pier]

Also i have unlocked ||moondust|| which || arcana cards should I upgrade aswell||

[vivid flare]

||Three biggest upgrades will be Death, Persistence, and Origination||

[dry pier]

I can only do one them the others were pricier

[coarse dune]

any aspects that people would recommend for the staff coz im using || momus || atm and im finding it pretty good

[lilac sundial]

Whatever you like and are good with

[wintry rivet]

Momus is weakest staff but it still a staff

Staff is great

[coarse dune]

really

coz i just no hit || scylla || with it

[wintry rivet]

Yes, staff is insane

[coarse dune]

thats a good thing then i might clear this run

thoughts on dora keepsake?

[wintry rivet]

Sometimes good in high fear

It is healing that ignore scar

[coarse dune]

thats good then

what about the keepsake that gives you heaps more magik

[swift path]

Silver Bell is good if you are low on Magick

[coarse dune]

is it justified to use it and level it early game for your first few runs?

[vivid flare]

Wheel is good to counteract heavy Priming from Hubris and some Boons, or if you roll into something that drastically increases your MP consumption

[vivid flare]

It's alright, but I will shill Pin for the super early game until all are converted

[coarse dune]

i did get pin all the way up ut i wasn't feeling it most of the time

its cool for the free damage when you get hit but the only time i ever end up using it are in bosses

[vivid flare]

It's just a good safety net to have while you don't have the keepsake swap

[viral wave]

Finally found ||Artemis|| again and got what I was looking for. Thanks again @vivid flare and @stiff hawk , much obliged for the assistance!

[coarse dune]

also any tips for killing the || coldwrath in tartarus coz i just get absolutely destroyed by its tracking beam and i have no idea how to avoid the beam ||

[vivid flare]

Short version is "get behind it," because it doesn't turn around very fast

[coarse dune]

really coz the beam feels like it tracks way to accurately

wish me luck, || going into chronos with 5 DDs and max health ||

gg

how do we feel about the || aspect of moros? ||

[vivid flare]

It's Mel Torches but better

[coarse dune]

is || eos || any better coz it looks really juicy from jus the description

[vivid flare]

It's also really good, yes

[coarse dune]

does the strength of || circe vary with your companion (positioning/movement wise)? ||

[vivid flare]

||Eos is Bizarro Moros, Moros wants you to have OSpecial up at all times and spam Attacks, Eos wants you to toss out an OAttack and spam Specials||

[vivid flare]

Somewhat, but the ||double Cast is insane even on the worst familiar to take with it (Frinos). Genuinely, it could just be the double cast circle and still be A tier at worst||

[coarse dune]

true but i imagine it would be harder for example with || toula and how she just sits down and you have to go out of your way to get her up ||

[vivid flare]

Nah, ||Toula's fine with it because you just wait for her to actually get active, then pop the cast. She's not beating Raki or Gale, but those two are already the best two to have||

[coarse dune]

i do not yet have access to || gale where are they? ||

[craggy perch]

||end of the third area on the surface||

[vivid flare]

In the meantime, though, ||crit birb is crit birb||

[coarse dune]

|| olympus after prom? ||

[craggy perch]

||before prometheus||

[vivid flare]

||In the shop before him||

[coarse dune]

ah thank you

[fossil condor]

Anyone have some axe tips? I eat so much stuff trying to do any damage

[vivid flare]

Use the Special more

It is an animation cancel, and will reset your combo if it plays out fully

[wintry rivet]

Play charon so you ain't really playing axe anymore

[fossil condor]

That’s good, this weapon has the same issue as h1 sword where if you dash strike spam you end up doing the combo when you don’t want to

[craggy perch]

unlock than axe so you dont feel like you have arthritis when doing anything fr

[coarse dune]

yo what boons to take for cast i alr have super nova and lucid gain any tips for other godds to have

[craggy perch]

storm ring is good, esp if youre getting air quality from zeus as well

plus he has the boon that lets you target the cast

[coarse dune]

so zooz?

[craggy perch]

yyyyyyyep

[coarse dune]

i didn't get either of those

[craggy perch]

i mean, you can get them later no?

[coarse dune]

probably

scorch cast maybe?

[fossil condor]

I must say the target casts are so
Very nice

It took me a while to figure out those screaming banshees in Erebus are countered as heck by cast

They were such a pain before that

[coarse dune]

i know

i hate them but whenever i get a few of them in my cast

perfection

[tidal moss]

Half the enemies in the game are countered by cast

That's kinda the point, and why you should aim for 100% cast uptime

[coarse dune]

aim for constant omega or does normal suffice

[fossil condor]

Just the normal does a good job of keeping things off you

[coarse dune]

can || icarus bombs || hurt you?

[craggy perch]

no

[coarse dune]

arc flash or lightning lance?

[coarse dune]

thank you

[craggy perch]

whats your build rn?

cause if you arent playing an omega heavy build then

[coarse dune]

mostly scorch cast but i have rare blitz attack and the arc blitz is epic with a +50% blitz damage and immediate activation

[craggy perch]

and your weapon?

[fossil condor]

Blitz has been underwhelming me so far

[coarse dune]

circe staff

[craggy perch]

hmmmm

lightning lance, then

[coarse dune]

oki doki

[tidal moss]

How so?

[fossil condor]

I think I just miss h1 zeus too much

Where the flat soup was just cracked for no real reason

[tidal moss]

Blitz is the strongest curse

He's way stronger than first game

[coarse dune]

i love h1 zooz his boons aren't complicated and hes just a chill dude

[craggy perch]

i looooove zeus on torches

you're throwing out an omega attack like every 3 shots so arc flash goes insane

plus a lot of small hits to get both static shock and air quality value

especially if you get splitting blaze from a hammer

[coarse dune]

met || dio in olympus for the first time ||

is air quality worth it on staff?

[craggy perch]

if you're only using scorch cast and blitz, no

[lilac sundial]

Depends on the rest of your build, watch your damage numbers if you are doing more than 50 a hit already that goes for any weapon

[opal mural]

Air Quality has very few use cases but those few are amazing

Biggest use for it is with Demeter's Arctic Gale and Frigid Rush

[lilac sundial]

He's great isn't he? Lol

[viral wave]

He has one of the best lines in the game so far for me: ||if you pacify a shade during the party, Dio goes "Hey wait, that's my groupie!" in such an offended tone it's hilarious.||

[coarse dune]

hes so cool, he was my favourite in h1

[opal mural]

These normally hit for around 16-100 per second, Air Quality makes them hit for 200 damage per second

[craggy perch]

-# #h2-victory-boasting message cough cough

[coarse dune]

|| prom time wish me luck ||

[viral wave]

Good luck. You got this!

[craggy perch]

||just know, he has already forseen his defeat||

[lilac sundial]

First time?

[coarse dune]

second time but first clear now

[coarse dune]

you know myth perchance?

[fossil condor]

Wow I finally beat ||eris|| and it’s with the axe that I’m terrible at

She’s very good for axe omega attacks though

[dry pier]

||Scylla is so annoying||

I know i know || defeat drummer but kinda hard with the 2 other boss enemies agroed on you||

[craggy perch]

a little, though i will admit its only cause i was a PJO fan when i was like. 12

[coarse dune]

real, how old you know if you read percy coz i got into rick riordans books around the same time?

[craggy perch]

yeah, they're pretty common YA read afaik

i might pick it back up eventually just to relive the hype, plus i never finished the sequel series

[coarse dune]

the roman one

[craggy perch]

yesssssssss, heroes of olympus

[coarse dune]

why is there more after || prom ||

[craggy perch]

||dont worry about it ||

[fossil condor]

Lady ||Athena||

[coarse dune]

am i allowed to swear in this discord

[craggy perch]

nope, dynobot will send you to erebus

[coarse dune]

damn

[craggy perch]

you can say damn????????????

[coarse dune]

HOLY CRAP WHY IS ||TYPHON HERE JUST WRAP IT UP ATP ||

[craggy perch]

lmaoooo

[coarse dune]

if we being mythologically accurate i aint beating this guy it took all of olympus

70 damage im sorry please help

melinoe it is time to wrap it up

[craggy perch]

||getting your butt handed to you by typhon is a canon event||

[coarse dune]

im assuming that why || there was no health bar ||

[craggy perch]

||sure! ||

[coarse dune]

your scaring me

[karmic sable]

[north ridge]

Had two death defiances and lost them to the laser beam mini boss in the last biome

Guess I gotta do more damage and get better at hiding from it

[opal mural]

I don't take Tartarus minibosses anyway but I'm 442 hours in and still hate that thing lol

[fossil condor]

Oof the Simon says was too much

[coarse dune]

out of curiosity when do you finish story and epilogue and stuff

[opal mural]

Story is beating ||Chronos 8 times|| and ||Typhon 5 times|| I think

Somewhere around that anyway

[coarse dune]

how many hours?

[opal mural]

Epilogue is a whole bunch more involving getting dialogue with some characters (but tbh the epilogue is kind of a nothingburger)

[craggy perch]

i personally cleard the story after around 50 hours

but its obviously variable

[tidal moss]

50-100, really

[opal mural]

I think full story epilogue and achievements can be done way under 100 hours if that's your focus

[wintry rivet]

Epilogue is great it let me reroll seed without dying

[opal mural]

Oh yeah I forgot that was locked behind epilogue lol

[dry pier]

Dude i almost beat them but the stupid run wouldn't give me apollo boons

I had his keepsake on in ||oceanus||

[craggy perch]

that feeling is so real

i once whiffed on the surface's second boss cause i literally had NO boon for my attack OR special

[north ridge]

Is trying to make a Hecate build silly? I had boom on attack and special, hammers on cast for staff and it felt like I was waiting for timers a lot but my cast was crazy effective on stationary bosses

[coarse dune]

the problem with that is that a quite a few of the bosses aren't stationary

[north ridge]

Fair, also felt like the timers are so long but I assume you get a boon rarity buff in the future like you do in the OG

[coarse dune]

there are a couple of arcana cards that give you boon rarity

[tidal moss]

That both suck and are never used

queen can be on accidentally but neither queen or excellence is every actually chosen

[coarse dune]

really coz i take the one that offers higher chance for rares

[tidal moss]

Do not take that one

Worst arcana

[vivid flare]

Divinity, however, is generally worth trying to activate

[tidal moss]

Rarity is very very overrated, other arcana are much more important

[tidal moss]

I completly forgot about divinity

[coarse dune]

is that the increased chance for duos?

[vivid flare]

No, Divinity is the Epic chance

[coarse dune]

oh yeah i have that one on

the fates and their surrounding cards are probably good

origination looks nice

[vivid flare]

Origination is one of the biggest power spikes you can get

Especially rank 3, when it becomes 50% global damage

[coarse dune]

seems pretty good

boatman decent or are shops just not as important

[vivid flare]

Nah, Boatman is also a huge power spike because it guarantees you can get a Boon from your first shop, and at rank 3 it's 2 Boons (or 1 if you've got Vow of Debt on)

[tidal moss]

Dyno 😒

[coarse dune]

how much max arcana can you get coz im at 25 so far

im assuming 30

[lilac sundial]

yes 30

[north ridge]

Don’t some strength of arcana’s probably depend on how you’re playing that run build wise?

Obviously there’s some winners but otherwise there’s some that flex in and out depending on your approach?

[rustic hinge]

sure, like sorceress and night are less useful when you dont omega

[tidal moss]

Yep

[tidal moss]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==
In general when running rerolls u wanna use this as a base

[rapid rover]

Im so happy cos i killed ||Tyfon|| first time! I was shocked on fact but have two pink boones witch give me hp from water and another sustain from earth (? Im not sure it was pate). Im so excited, the plot is so intense now

[primal trench]

Congratz

[vivid flare]

The only healing Infusion is a fire one

[fossil condor]

Only just realizing toula gives a dd

I need to get better at boss 3 and 4, taking so much damage

[coarse dune]

hey just beat a run no DDs

rank 4 aspect of melinoe torches

[primal trench]

Nice

[coarse dune]

i didn't even need to use my moon water

and i had 7 charges 😭

[tidal moss]

This is why hexes suck

[primal trench]

Out of all the reasons why hexes suck, thats not one of them lmao

They just didnt need healing that run, which is ok

[tidal moss]

Let me hate on hexes in peace

[primal trench]

Oh im a hex hater myself, just hate correctly

[desert robin]

i support hexes
As long as its twilight curse or moonwater or howl

the rest i dont wanna see from a moon drop

[cursive roost]

huh, hex enjoyer here. think all 9 hexes can pop-off somewhat, but some took a while to be enjoyed to be sure

[fossil condor]

Night bloom is just fun to use

[cursive roost]

right? indefinitely + hera godsent + speed up and just look at them go

that bumper car monster thing from ||typhon|| annihilated the final boss

[winter basin]

Oh yeah Polyps absolutely shred they do INSANE damage

They can solo DPS phase

[fossil condor]

So revaal just clicked for me kind of. ||Hitch|| attack, chain lightning, mel rank 4

It’s a little nutty

[dry pier]

|| I got aspect of mel for the daggers and trying out the backstab buils zeus/hestia maybe||

[proud pebble]

Still haven't gotten very far, keep dying to the boss in zone 3. Using ax since that's the only one that feels good to me.
Advice for how to dodge the fire balls Zone 3 boss fires? Would have beat him tonight but they caught me twice and killed me (two runs, both losses)

I know smacking Zone 3 Boss in fhe back is gud

[tidal moss]

Which ones? The fire stream?

If so, just always stay behind him

[proud pebble]

Idk, it is just alot of fireballs that are very small and cover the whole map in a sprinkler pattern

[proud pebble]

In my game he backs up to one edge of the arena and just sprays me with fireballs

Also is the flaming skull weapon any good 👀

[tidal moss]

Very good

[tidal moss]

You just gotta squeeze behind him

[proud pebble]

The || Diddy|| strat ofc ofc /j

[tidal moss]

Pretty much

[dry pier]

||i dont think im ready to fight the sirens i dont have a special boon but i do have trick knives and hestias cast + therm dynamics||

[tidal moss]

There should be gaps in between them

[dry pier]

||Scylla down finally||

[dry pier]

question does secret crush apply to omega attcks?

[tidal moss]

Is it plural or not

[unborn plaza]

No it doesn't

[dry pier]

i took shameless attitude instead

[unborn plaza]

Yeah it's a better choice mott

[dry pier]

i got a aphro/hestia umlimited scorch going

[unborn plaza]

Now get pyrotechnics too and it's free win

[dry pier]

i have it but sadly common rarity

yeah the ||sirens got deleted||

[proud pebble]

Maybe there is and I am too tired to see it

[primal trench]

For future references
Attack/Special ≠
≠ regular attack/special
Attacks/Specials = regular and

[dry pier]

Its time ||to die to the tian of time just beat cerberus||

this build is nuts

[ionic pumice]

Hi I'm relatively new to the game and was wondering is there a best weapon to use

[desert robin]

no
they all support different playstyles
so its up to you what you want to play
all weapons can clear all the challenges in the game

[ionic pumice]

Is that the same for the aspects for those weapons

[desert robin]

half?
some aspects are clearly superior

for example moros torches are far better than base melinoe torches

[ionic pumice]

What about the axe I'm using the base aspect for it

[desert robin]

base axe is the best according to the pros
nergal is also really good on paper because it lets you heal
charon is super good for quick and immediate big damage
personally i like thanatos best

[desert robin]

but whatever axe youre using
Get psychic whirlwind hammer

[stiff hawk]

another vote for Thanatos, it doesn't excel at anything and doesn't have any special gimmicks, but it's 30% faster (when maxed), so it's much more verstatile and easy to play

the base axe is pretty slow, you might be forced to just dash strike over and over without using the actual combo

[ionic pumice]

How much material will I need to fully upgrade that one

[stiff hawk]

non-default aspects require 5 nightmare to max out

the hidden ones need 9, Nergal is the hidden axe aspect in this case

[ionic pumice]

Nergal?

[stiff hawk]

it's a secret aspect, you will unlock it after maxing out either Thanatos or Charon

[ionic pumice]

And what's the final weapon after unlocking the skull

[desert robin]

coat

[stiff hawk]

it's essentially an Iron Man cosplay, you punch and shoot rockets, it's also a jetpack so you move faster

[desert robin]

i recommend you to not use ||supay (torch hidden aspect)|| until you have at least decent knowledge of the game though, its very difficult to use

[shy zephyr]

yes

[shy zephyr]

this is the no spoiler channel btw

[shy zephyr]

||the black coat||

some of the aspects are better than others but it mostly becomes apparent at the highest levels of play. as far as what the game expects you to do, you can use whatever you like

[zenith whale]

I hate how fast I’m moving through the levels, ik this isn’t true but I feel like I’m missing dialogue back at base cos I’ll do/achieve multiple things per run

Loving the game. Just finished the first the other day ||crazy to see asphodel and realise just how higher quality it is, and the entire game looks so much better||

[rapid rover]

Thanatos' my beloved aspect cos aesthetic

[sudden kiln]

Is It normal to have the feeling any other 2nd keepsake taken After 1st boss not being Narcissus for the free Heroic feels wrong?

[shy zephyr]

yes, have seen plenty of people overvalue narc's keepsake

rarity on boons is mostly overrated

[sudden kiln]

Maybe It depends on the boom, but for example, right now my only normal boon Is Apollo on Attack. That would be godlike

It feels bad if the Heroic falls on a random perk with side payoff, agree with that

[shy zephyr]

you rarely enter the second area with just one boon and it does need it to be common

[sudden kiln]

Yeah that's the point, I have only One common perk, all others are rare atm (Rarified the second One)

[shy zephyr]

my usual choice of keepsake for second region is fig leaf, experimental hammer, or one of the post-credits keepsakes

[sudden kiln]

Oh, have none of those yet

[opal mural]

Would Phial be used a lot in high fear if it healed the 20% through scars?

[primal trench]

probably

[livid cradle]

I'm new to hades 2, but is hades 2 harder than hades 1? it feels harder

but not sure if it's just a meta progression issue, but the main thing seems to be that bosses are really tanky compared to hades 1

[primal trench]

its harder at first, because no dashslop spam

[opal mural]

I would say it gets easier because the game gives you a lot of defensive tools

[primal trench]

so you actually have to be careful

[shy zephyr]

I'd still just take sash or ghonion 🤷‍♂️

[sudden kiln]

Is It worth taking a Fated Hades Boon over the optimal One for the Chronos fight?

[dense anchor]

imo yeah, the prophecy rewards can be nice

can always fight him again if you die

[sudden kiln]

Life Tax would be so good tho especially cause I have an Attack Blades build, so cant exploit the instakill Windows from range

[dense anchor]

||life tax won't save you from instakill||

[sudden kiln]

I know of the mechanic, in the end I took a Fated boon and died cause I got Frozen and he spawned and instakill on the opposite side of the room. Rip

[tall kernel]

I know the feeling

[tall kernel]

I always take fate list, because completionism and there will always be another run.

[dry pier]

So... || i found Hades and Cerberus my question is do i take old grudge or life tax since my hp isn't too hot||

I have 78/181 but || old grudge does -20% hp||

[polar laurel]

||life tax|| is honestly pretty good now

[tall kernel]

either one, good luck

[hallow arrow]

If u have good damage/build, then u will be doing that -20% yourself anyway...||life tax|| is always a pretty safe bet

[tall kernel]

try not to waste your|| life tax ||on the way to the boss tho

||with life tax, i usually end a room full health so I don't get|| the benefit of wayward son

[midnight ridge]

exactly what I was gonna say. -20% health is equivalent to like, 10 seconds of doing damage on your own

at best

[hallow arrow]

True true

[vivid flare]

||It's only for phase 1||

||Grudge is genuinely garbage for Chronos||

[primal trench]

first phase aint that bad

[vivid flare]

I am begging people to remember the spoiler rules for this channel

[hallow arrow]

Please spoiler tag

[tall kernel]

How does ||unseen ire and defensive posture interact? They seem a little redundant||

[polar wraith]

yep theyll both proc if they are both active

[vivid flare]

They'll both proc at the same time, though having both is mostly redundant

[ionic gulch]

How can I sell my fish

[vivid flare]

Should be an option at the Broker

[livid cradle]

what defensive tools do you get? since I think you get 1 less death's defiance as well too

and less dashes, which was the main defensive tool

sprint is a nice defensive tool too, but you also have less max health than before

the cast is a good defensive tool, although its range is kinda short

melinoe also has less ranged weapons than zagreus, other than the omega effects, but those all require chargeup which is hard to fit in

like using the axe against any boss feels pretty hard, since its attack speed is so slow

[vivid flare]

Pets, DDs, keepsakes, Arcana, Acorn as an Arcana card, more ways to heal than Zagreus ever had, better Boons, etc

[vivid flare]

Use the Special more, it can animation cancel the Attack

[stiff hawk]

if you think omegas are "hard to fit in" then you still have a lot to learn

[tall kernel]

Cast more... casts snare enemies, and makes plenty of room for omegas

[tall kernel]

Level up your arcana. It gets better

[vivid flare]

Significantly

[tall kernel]

I'm not a hades 1 pro, but I'm pretty good... hades 2 kicked my butt a lot the first time I booted it up. The way you move position and attack in hades 1 is very different. I remember those charging wailers and the rootstalker miniboss... I was like, "omg, am I going to be able to even play this new game? It's SOOO HARD."

Now those are push overs

[craggy perch]

True but it does feel bad to pop omega casts sometimes tbh

Not many boons benefit them and it's focused on you most of the time

[fossil condor]

So just do a regular cast

[north ridge]

Uniquely you can dodge and sprint while charging it. Pretty elite move someone mentioned in here.

[craggy perch]

I play with WASD and cast on Q

Ain't no way I'm not just tapping and being done w it

Unless there's like a better control scheme I'm just unaware of

[shy zephyr]

cast on mouse side button

[craggy perch]

I'm poor and have no side button

[north ridge]

My hand is cramping just thinking about this

[dry pier]

||Scylla has some banger songs albiet all about clawing our eyes and or killing us but they do bang lol||

[opal mural]

Scroll wheel, put Hex on Q instead

Kinda crazy that they defaulted Special on Q and Cast on Q in H1 and H2 respectively when those are so vital and you have to go out of your way to press Q lol

[fossil condor]

For some reason I thought boss 3 of ||surface|| was the last one. Definitely not wishful thinking as I only just beat it for the first time now with 11 hp left to my name

[tidal moss]

You win these anyway dw

[fossil condor]

These what 👀

I died to some ||mean shark mini boss in region 4||

[tidal moss]

||spawn of typhon?||

[fossil condor]

I’m just glad my idea of saying numbers to myself worked for that part of boss 3

[fossil condor]

Dunno, he was named “?”

[tidal moss]

You can also just pause and write it down

[tidal moss]

Ah ok, he does get a name later on, not sure when

[karmic sable]

Probably once you reach the final boss for the first time.

[tidal moss]

Possibly

[vivid flare]

Yeah, think you have to reach the final boss there for you to get the names revealed

[desert robin]

mel doesnt know what a ||typhon|| is yet lol

[spring bear]

How much different is this game to the first without any spoilers?

[midnight ridge]

kinda hard to explain, it definitely feels familiar and the stuff you loved from the first game will, generally speaking, be present in hades 2 and be even better this time around. the main differences are that the story is on a way bigger scale, you might like it or you might prefer the smaller scale of hades 1. and second, dashing in hades 2 is different than hades 1 and it takes most newcomers some time to get used to it

combat also has more moving parts. i think most people consider it an upgrade and think it works well, but some dont like messing with the new mechanics and prefer the simplicity of hades 1

[barren depot]

So defeated chronos, whats the next move?

[coarse dune]

do it again

and again

and again

and again

etc

[barren depot]

Danggggggggg

[vivid flare]

Win more

[spring bear]

Thank you

[empty idol]

Suggestions on how not to lose 2-3 hearts vs ||Prometheus||? I find him harder than ||typhoon||

[stiff hawk]

he's like a Dark Souls boss, he will chase you until he can pull off an attack, then chill for like 3 sec, so just bait out an attack, dodge it then punish him

[empty idol]

Mmh, he's like he attacks every second. I'm using sister blades to melt everyone, but he is so damn tank

So far I have killed him 3 times, but then no more lives for next boss

[stiff hawk]

don't try to DPS him, let him attack, dodge the attack, then punish him, it's like a turn-based battle (at least until you're really good and know all his blind spots)

[empty idol]

I wonder how medea skull is a better dps than Mel's sister blades

Maybe skull's potential is unlocked when upgraded to 5?

[stiff hawk]

you don't load all skulls at once, it's attack into special over and over, this way you attack continously, it deals a lot of damage even boonless

[empty idol]

I'll have a try again, I upgraded my tarots a lots and skull to 3 since last time I used it

[bitter raven]

I mean, you basically get a free non-slot (stacking) Aphro boon on attack and special both lmao.

In terms of damage output

iirc is something like +90% damage to attack and special?

[empty idol]

Oh yeah, that was my question. Do both attack and special attack boost work on medea? since you use attack to load and special to explode

[primal trench]

The explosion is affected by attack boons, special boons affect the dash itself

[dull terrace]

Türkler dm gelebilir mi

[ionic gulch]

How can I get more health?

Also how can I level my arcanes

[tidal moss]

Centaur hearts

[tidal moss]

With moondust

[ionic gulch]

How I gain the option to?

[polar wraith]

progress further in the arcana and the the option will show up later

[ionic gulch]

Like are there any why I could get my health up before I start my run

[polar wraith]

pet frog, arcana, keepsake from arachne gives you armor

[ionic gulch]

Ok thx

[ionic gulch]

What does the frog do

[polar wraith]

+10 hp to begin with

[crisp yarrow]

What is the use of ||Star Dust obtained from the trials||?

[tidal moss]

Making pet treatrs and other things

[crisp yarrow]

Don't you just need like 6 pet treats to get all of them?

[ionic gulch]

Is it better to start an run up or down

Or does it not matter much

[tidal moss]

||you can upgrade them||

[tidal moss]

whatever u need

[barren depot]

Question completed 1 run and i unlocked something that makes the run harder, is it like essential to do ?

[tidal moss]

For achievments? yes, for the ending, no

[barren depot]

So doesnt give me like more damage or something?

[tidal moss]

It just gives u the material to upgrade aspects

[rustic vault]

Can’t post a picture but I sometimes see the same boon in a shop but for 450 and 150.

Is there any difference between them? They look exactly the same

[forest charm]

theres no difference

[opal mural]

High cost boons have upgraded rarity chance

[primal trench]

Guaranteed higher rarity

[rustic vault]

Ah good to know, I did went for the 450 one and believe all options were rare (blue) indeed. So having it guaranteed to start there instead of common could be it yes

Another thing I'm not sure about is how to get more familiars.
||Got the frog and cat and met a dog many times and a few times a white raven but can't give them a treat. I do have 1 left so am not sure why i can't give it to them.||

[primal trench]

Talk to hecate more (talk to everyone really, thats how you progress 90% of the game)

[vivid flare]

Hecate dialogue

[vivid flare]

You can't recruit a pet the first time you meet them, so you need to ||find the birb again||

[vivid flare]

It's what gives the Titan Blood equivalent for this game

[rustic vault]

Ah I see, only seen it once indeed. But the other pet a lot of times. Do we need to unlock them in a certain order? Hecate only talking about other stuff if available at all atm

[vivid flare]

The only "order" to pet unlocks is that ||Gale and Hecuba cannot be recruited until you have Raki, Frinos, and Toula recruited||. Past that, they can be acquired in any order

[north ridge]

Sooo pin deaths override DD!?

[potent quail]

pin counts as a death defiance

but i really didn't understand your question

[vivid flare]

As in Pin procs before your DD? Yes

[north ridge]

Interesting

Kinda stinks when it triggers on bosses then

Lost a run to sirens with it when I could’ve gone deep with a normal dd

[potent quail]

not really

you get 10 seconds of full invicibility on bosses, meaning you can go all out for 10 seconds without worrying about taking damage

[vivid flare]

No? If you procced Pin and didn't get the grace period, you were losing a DD anyways

[north ridge]

But if you lose it and still have one normal DD

So I have pin on and arcana dd

Pin expiring ignored arcana dd I believe

[vivid flare]

It doesn't

[north ridge]

If you guys say im wrong ill try it again

Ok guess maybe I lost it before and couldn’t tell, the cons of cloud streaming to the portal

[small escarp]

I've just unlocked the ability to see different weapon aspects, are there any aspects that can be used well with little investment?

[primal trench]

the ones for weapon you enjoy

[vivid flare]

Circe Staff

Charon Axe, Moros and Eos torches, Nyx Coat, and Medea Skull also work well out of the box (though they will appreciate the Nightmare invested)

The only reason you will ever consider investing in the knives is to unlock the hidden aspect

[tall kernel]

Medea works even better with levels tho.

But pan is even more garbage without levels.

[small escarp]

I'm taking notes, this will be very helpful

[tall kernel]

I’m not sure I notice investment in Artemis at all

[vivid flare]

This is true, though Mom skull desperately needs Nightmare for it to not just be a strictly-worse Mel Skull

[bitter raven]

IMO it kind of could use a higher rate of actually giving the bonus levels allowed.

Like, idk if needs be straight-up "apply jpom but better AGAIN" but something like "always adds 1 level at minimum" combined with a fairly like... equally distributed (or slightly higher) rate of pluses beyond that would be rad. Hasn't felt like reaches that as-is.

When I've used I mostly have felt like I've noticed mainly +0-1

[mossy sluice]

I think I'm getting better at the game, just completed my 3rd run going down

[fossil condor]

I just lost to tartarus boss for the first time when facing him rip

But hey I get to see some dialogue I was missing

[whole pilot]

Just bought the game, any stuff I need to know before playing guys?

[desert robin]

having fun

[whole pilot]

Yup, I think it is

[vivid flare]

Don't expect Mel to play exactly like Zag

[whole pilot]

Got it mate

[swift path]

keep doing runs and have fun it gets really good

oh yea watch out for the special and cast binds they have been swapped

[whole pilot]

whoa, that's nice, I'll keep that in mind, thanks

[tidal moss]

And always have your cast down on enemies, it counters most of the normal enemies