h2-for-new-players

[vague portal]

i beat her once and made it to ||chronos|| she's so much harder

unless there's more after that and if so im deleting the game

[lapis cloak]

the experience from close friends who also played the game is simillar, scylla is their wall just like theseus was in h1

[lapis cloak]

|| chronos || is the last

kinda...

[vivid flare]

The final bosses in both games have a unique theme for them, so you're good

[lapis cloak]

but you clearly played very little since you still don't know about the other route, keep playing! the game gets progressively easier and easier

[vague portal]

other route? you mean ||surface||

[vivid flare]

Mhm

4 bosses there, too

[vague portal]

yeah ||prometheus|| destroyed me so hard i thought he was the final boss so i don't wanna go there anymore :(

[vivid flare]

And a few named minibosses

[vague portal]

is it like the first game

[vivid flare]

In what way?

[vague portal]

||second phase||

[vivid flare]

You'll see

[vague portal]

and fish woman killed me

man screw her im going back up

[vivid flare]

Hope the run doesn't give you too much Trouble

[proven gazelle]

How are you going about the scylla fight?? Since depending on how you focus them it can really make the fight harder than it needs to be

[vague portal]

idk im just snacking them for 15 million years until somebody dies

since my weapons seem to do about 2 damage

[lapis cloak]

😭

What's your arcana currently?

[vivid flare]

If you haven't yet been told to focus the drummer, then I am here to tell you to focus the drummer

[proven gazelle]

Ok so there's probably also build issues happening

[vague portal]

im trying but the circles appear out of nowhere around her and feel impossible to dodge

[vivid flare]

Also, if you are running Death and Strength together, you have about 2 seconds before I burst out of your walls like the Kool-Aid man

[proven gazelle]

They come rhythmically, and give you plenty of time to react and move if you arent overcommiting

[vague portal]

when im in the circle of the first one im just screwed

[vague portal]

so i have some bad news

[vivid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-emt-gif-10159352681264936896

[lapis cloak]

Just run away, it's a super telegraphed attack

[vague portal]

not when im actively in the circle of the first one that appears. that just comes out of nowhere lol

[proven gazelle]

That too, dont be afraid to just disengage, you arent playing with timer theres no need to be greedy

[vague portal]

more damage after nearly dying seemed good to me

[proven gazelle]

Its a waste of grasp, do one or the other, not both

[lapis cloak]

idk exactly what attacks you're referring too but if it's the red circle near the drummer it's just very easy to run

[vivid flare]

You could have more damage permanently if you simply don't run DDs

[proven gazelle]

Also the damage reduction lowkey won't do a think when youre already at like 30% by the time it activates

[raw sorrel]

Or run DDs and not waste Arcana on being buffed about 10% of the time

[vivid flare]

Also, don't be like that one guy in general chat and think it's a smart idea to take Tooth with Strength

[tidal moss]

Real

Lmfaoooo

[vague portal]

when i am attacking the drummer, and a circle appears around her, dashing doesn't seem to get me far enough to avoid being hit

[lapis cloak]

Do you know that melinoe can sprint if you hold the dash button?

[tidal moss]

Without frenzy it takes like 7 years for them to go off

[proven gazelle]

Dash and sprint, theres plenty of time or just iframe the thing entirely

[lapis cloak]

Also this

[vague portal]

yes but im hit before that

[proven gazelle]

How greedy are you being 😭

[vivid flare]

Oh, yeah. Another really good tip for you: turn on auto-sprint

[tidal moss]

I can dash out of them with frenzy

[vague portal]

literally the second i see that circle around me and im hitting her im gonna be hit

[lapis cloak]

You're probabbly just overcomitting to attacking non stop, which can work tbh cause it's 0 fear but only if you have a cracked build

[vivid flare]

Anyways, if you think they're bad now, remember that there's an alt version to the fight

You can iframe the AoEs, right?

[lapis cloak]

Yes

[tidal moss]

You can i frame just about everything

[proven gazelle]

You can iframe literally everything

[vague portal]

but it's hard :(

[lapis cloak]

Sure iframing is hard but you can also just dodge them cause they take 3 business days to come out

[vague portal]

so what cards am i supposed to have on then

[lapis cloak]

How much grasp do you have?

[vague portal]

25

[vivid flare]

As mentioned before, dealer's choice of Death or Strength

[tidal moss]

Origination, furies, and strength are the big 3

Never have unseen or excellence on

[vague portal]

why

[vivid flare]

The reroll corner is nice to make sure your build comes online, but isn't strictly necessary

[lapis cloak]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyJd idk something like this?

[vivid flare]

They cost 5 grasp and don't provide massive benefits

Unlike Boatman and Origination, which do

[tidal moss]

This is good for 25

[vague portal]

great that'll do ty

[vivid flare]

Boatman is effectively "you will always be able to afford your first shop boon"

[proven gazelle]

You'll always be able to afford like 2 boons its so nice

[vague portal]

...huh

[vivid flare]

Well, not always, since Vow of Debt is a thing

[proven gazelle]

Sure but they havent cleared a run so :/

[vivid flare]

But yeah, it guarantees at least 1

[lapis cloak]

switch swift runner for sorceress if you like using omega heavy aspects

[tidal moss]

I'm buying out the midshop and you can't stop me

[proven gazelle]

Also what weapon do you tend to run?? And what build are you shooting for

[vivid flare]

Meanwhile, rank 3 Unseen is literally just a level 1 Epic Glamour Gain, and Excellence gets mogged by a Favor boon from Chaos

[lapis cloak]

(or when you get to 26 grasp just activate sorceress and leave both)

[proven gazelle]

Ash and a pom 🥀

[tidal moss]

Rarity is overrated

[vague portal]

i keep switching cause i don't like any of them and no idea im just going to whatever gods i like

[tidal moss]

[lapis cloak]

do you have the god keepsakes?

[proven gazelle]

Ok so a zeus hera core works on like 99% of weapons and will murder everything

[vague portal]

ive been most successful with the flames

[vivid flare]

Maybe if you played any of them with gods that worked with the weapon's strengths, you'd start liking a few

[vague portal]

quite a few

[proven gazelle]

Ok so lets start there, what gods are you taking

[vague portal]

whatever shows up on my path usually lol

[vivid flare]

Torches, above all else, want a good MP regen

[wintry rivet]

Tbf its torch, with a good gain anything work lol

[proven gazelle]

You can literally rig a run man you have god keepsakes 😭

[vague portal]

yeah but idk who's good yet

[proven gazelle]

Zeus

Hera

[tidal moss]

Zeus, hera, and hestia

[vivid flare]

Well, first thing you're going to do is stop doing that and actually learn who works with what

As well as start with a god keepsake to force one that plays nice with your chosen weapon to spawn

[proven gazelle]

Hestia and posiedon are good with special spam and have super strong gains for torches

[vague portal]

doing that is how i learn what works with what lol

that's how i learnt in the first game

[vivid flare]

Cardio Gain on torches? Are you insane?

[proven gazelle]

Special spam :3

[vivid flare]

So yes

Either that or you play Eos

[vague portal]

i don't think ive ever used the special lol

[proven gazelle]

._.

The whole gimmick with torches is you can Ospec and it stays and you do other things

[lapis cloak]

and you can dash and move while holding the attack

[wintry rivet]

Just don't pick any more omega speed and it work lmao

[tidal moss]

[tidal moss]

I love cardio gain on torches

[wintry rivet]

Get some omega speed and cardio gain suddenly won't work

[vivid flare]

Okay, so the second thing you're going to do is learn what your buttons do

[tidal moss]

LMFAO

[vague portal]

i know what they do

[tidal moss]

Next you're gonna say u never use cast

[vague portal]

but why would i wanna do a little spin instead of shooting stuff. that's not intuitive

[proven gazelle]

Shoutout metal

[tidal moss]

Metal my goat

@quick fiber

[proven gazelle]

Do the omega then so you have the orbitals

Also special spam is super strong with hestia and poseidon

[vague portal]

to slow down annoying things or in groups when i have things to do damage in them mostly

[lapis cloak]

at least you use them, good start

[vivid flare]

Because the spin hits all around you and can even hit the same enemy multiple times with hammers

[quick fiber]

T_T

[tidal moss]

You should have a cast down 100% of the time

[tidal moss]

Good morning pookie

[proven gazelle]

There's zero excuse to not always cast

[quick fiber]

I CLEARED 32 BASICALY CASTLESS SO

[vague portal]

or i could dash so all the enemies are in front of me and shoot them. that's the obvious thing, to me at least

[proven gazelle]

Unless its like 67f or you need to be picky with placements

[vivid flare]

ABC
Always
Be
Casting

[proven gazelle]

Again, then press Ospecial

[tidal moss]

Unless you slice the tip of your thumb off

[proven gazelle]

So you get orbitals and can still play like that

[vivid flare]

Put a cast on it, then get back to casting

[vague portal]

how do i actually make them hit anything then

[wintry rivet]

At least mel torch can survive without using special

[quick fiber]

thumb is dash???????????

[proven gazelle]

play at the right range

[wintry rivet]

Omega special has actual range

[vivid flare]

Positioning. Torches are inherently a mid-range weapon

[tidal moss]

I use my thumb for cast, special, attack, and dash

[quick fiber]

cast is the ring finger T_T

[quick fiber]

T_T

[vague portal]

but the orbs are so far away lol

[lapis cloak]

Thats just the default controller layout no?

[quick fiber]

ok flatscreen player

[tidal moss]

Are you on kb

[vivid flare]

Once upon a time, they used to orbit way closer, but then they reworked the torches

[lapis cloak]

If you wanna be really close to the enemies you should play something else, maybe blades

[quick fiber]

yup

[proven gazelle]

Bro you dont have to be point blank 😭 the attack will reach them trust me

[tidal moss]

Oh that's why

[vivid flare]

Or the axe :3

[vague portal]

that's not what i mean

[tidal moss]

Torches are a longer ranged weapon

[vague portal]

i guess im wrong

[tidal moss]

You never want to be point blank

[vague portal]

im not

[vivid flare]

Refer to

[quick fiber]

what torches are they playing?

[lapis cloak]

Yeah think like the bow in hades 1 or the rail

[tidal moss]

You apparently are when fighting roxy

[vivid flare]

Base, I don't think they have any aspects unlocked

[vague portal]

well that run i was using the twin thingies

[tidal moss]

😭

[vivid flare]

Well, the knives want stuff that does flat damage

[proven gazelle]

Do not take advice from metal i repeat do not take advice from metal

[tidal moss]

Ignore anything metal says

[quick fiber]

perish

[vague portal]

aspect of melinoë rank 5

[vivid flare]

As it turns out, slapping an extra 30 per hit on a weapon that normally hits for 10 does a lot more than a 200% boost if Aphro showers you in sweet nothings

[quick fiber]

Ospec into holding attack weaving cast in there

[tidal moss]

And you haven't cleared yet?

[vague portal]

no

[proven gazelle]

Have you tried moros or eos

[tidal moss]

Quite devious

[proven gazelle]

Since they're both super strong aspects

[vague portal]

Don't have the resources

[vivid flare]

Moros is the cooler Mel torch

[vague portal]

had the resources for mel so invested in that one

[quick fiber]

can we see your arcana :)

[proven gazelle]

We already had that convo lol

[quick fiber]

oh

[vague portal]

This is my arcana now

[vivid flare]

No, because it was a cognitohazard before we helped him on that end

[proven gazelle]

They were running death and strength so ._.

[lapis cloak]

if you wanna keep playing torches switch swift runner for sorceress

(you can put swift runner again after getting 1 more grasp)

[vague portal]

i did already

seemed smart

[quick fiber]

THATS PEAK SILENCE

[proven gazelle]

Clear 60f please i beg

Please, death + strength 60f

[quick fiber]

I will fr

[tidal moss]

Die

[quick fiber]

ill turn of furies aswell

oof*

[lapis cloak]

taps the sign

[tidal moss]

If you can't clear 62 your opinion is invalid

[quick fiber]

you main uw opinion invalid

[vivid flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244770894379876364/1260336837172531360/gear.gif

[proven gazelle]

Pin the message ong

[quick fiber]

(before anyone reports us for bullying they all just want me to win 60f)

[lapis cloak]

we're losing the plot here

[tidal moss]

I've cleared 55f surface, that's higher than you

[proven gazelle]

Fr we're rooting for you 🙏

[quick fiber]

thats good basicaly just ospecial apon entering the room to start with huntress working then hold attack and weave in a cast when its ready

[lapis cloak]

just get 2 curses somehow, its like it was in h1

[quick fiber]

blitz spec mel torches

[lapis cloak]

zeus attack hera special
hestia attack demeter special idk anything works

if apollo shows up get blinding rush

[vague portal]

i usually used about 0 curses

[tidal moss]

[vague portal]

i had either artemis or athena. crits or deflect

[lapis cloak]

what? in hades 1?

man, athena dash really carried

[vague portal]

and athena shield rush

[proven gazelle]

Zag having 2 dashes really carried huh

[lapis cloak]

i cant imagine not goving for 2 curses even in hades 1

privilged status was like the most important thing in the whole mirror

[vague portal]

but why would i want damage over time when i can do more damage now

[lapis cloak]

that and shield being able to block pretty much everything i guess

[vague portal]

thanks for the vote of confidence

[vivid flare]

Because Aphrodite had massive... multipliers and applied Weak out of the gate

[tidal moss]

Just got a Mel torch chaos run

[lapis cloak]

thats not how privileged status work

[vague portal]

weak made enemies do less damage. I just wouldn't get hit

[lapis cloak]

it gave you a % damage increase if you applied two curses

[proven gazelle]

"Over time" and its a free 50% damage modifiers

[lapis cloak]

i think privileged was less than 50%

[vague portal]

never used it. used the other mirror side one

[lapis cloak]

(origination is crazy)

[vivid flare]

Priv was 40%

[vague portal]

i meant the over time from curses

and then non damaging curses. literally why would i ever want that

[lapis cloak]

i needed to search cause i could not for the life of me remember what was the other side of privileged status

its just extended family from hera pretty much 😭

[vivid flare]

In other words, it was just always better than Family Favorite since you could only get 5 stacks of that in most cases

[vague portal]

but i literally never had two curses

[vivid flare]

How?

[vague portal]

so privileged would have been useless to me

[proven gazelle]

Then you were building terribly

2 curses is free asf in both games

[lapis cloak]

you might be the goat cause i remember struggling in hades 1 before priv

[vague portal]

i beat the game so i think i did fine

[proven gazelle]

Doesnt mean you werent ignoring the biggest damage buff in the game

[lapis cloak]

well, i was still beating the game with athena dash but like, it was so easier with priv 😭

[vivid flare]

Every god in the first game either did curses out of the box or had some T2 curse that'd apply to everything they did

[quick fiber]

25

[vague portal]

doesn't mean i was building terribly because i didn't have one thing

[tidal moss]

It's harder to ignore curses lmfao

[lapis cloak]

what

[vague portal]

yes i actively did

[lapis cloak]

even more in hades 2

[proven gazelle]

So for athena you always just ignored the backstab curse??

[tidal moss]

That's like the textbook definition of a bad build

[proven gazelle]

Thats just silly

[quick fiber]

It was 25% im pretty sure

[vague portal]

not bad if i can beat the game

[lapis cloak]

oh it was 20% per rank maximum of 40

[proven gazelle]

Thats not how that works

[quick fiber]

damn everyone wrong XD

[proven gazelle]

You can beat the game boonless, doesnt mean its good

[tidal moss]

Can you beat any level of heat?

[vague portal]

yes??

[proven gazelle]

Lmao clear 64

[tidal moss]

32? 40? 50?

[vivid flare]

@quick fiber

[tidal moss]

Any of the actual difficult ones

[vivid flare]

:3

[lapis cloak]

you set the bar too low with that, time exists

[vague portal]

no lol

[tidal moss]

Yeah exactly

[vague portal]

why are you guys acting like ive done something terrible by playing a single player game how i want

[quick fiber]

yeah @tidal moss :P

[tidal moss]

You asked us for help and are actively ignoring our advice

[tidal moss]

Shut up metal ur buns

[proven gazelle]

You came here complaining about scylla being too hard then you show us you were ignoring parts of the game that would help

[vague portal]

i have taken all of your advice

[lapis cloak]

i mean... god mode is always an option atp

[vague portal]

but this has devolved into insulting how i played the first game? that's not advice

[tidal moss]

Uh not really but ok

Ignoring curses is not it dawg

[vague portal]

literally how haven't i

i never said i am ignoring curses????

you mentioned to get curses, just like in hades 1. i said i didn't do that in hades 1. then you started this whole thing

[quick fiber]

they said in the first game XD

[vague portal]

im literally in a run right now playing in-between typing with a curse ability on

[quick fiber]

get that second curse for origination

[vague portal]

i will combat is just slow when i have to defend how i played a game constantly in discord

so if my attack does a curse and my special does a curse and i hit an enemy with both they take way more damage

[tidal moss]

Yes

[vague portal]

huh i wonder where i got that advice from since i wasn't taking any

[quick fiber]

its in the arcana setup

[vague portal]

what? no i was just making fun of this message

[tidal moss]

Didn't say all of it, you're just being selective about what you want to hear

[vague portal]

what advice haven't i taken then

tell me the exact thing ive not done since ive done every thing ive been told

[quick fiber]

luthien stop trying to make faker 2.0 you are not that starved for entertainment

(im kidding)

[kindred quiver]

are you using your omega special on torches

[vague portal]

yes

ive changed my arcana, know curses are useful, know to use my ospec, know to always cast, know to keep my distance

[inland palm]

so i just beat chronos for the first time without using a single death defiance the whole run

medea skull is cracked

[vague portal]

wow this is so much more effective than what i was doing before

ooh i can't believe ive not met every npc yet lol

why is circe adorable

[quick fiber]

SHES SO CUTEEEEE

[vague portal]

i made myself bigger and i literally grew xD that's great

i thought she was meant to be scary

[quick fiber]

mel also grows in the dialogues XD

[quick fiber]

circe tempts salilors into her palace where she hexes them into pigs

if she looked scary that wouldnt work

[vague portal]

...true

ive only really know circe as a dc character and she's gorgeous there

[quick fiber]

trueee

tho all the women in the absolute are (except a few)

[vague portal]

i hate eris

im going back down. the surface sucks

[steel pond]

and in the boardgame piece that moves when you go between regions

oh that was like 2 hours ago

[vague portal]

i have defeated ||chronos first phase||

didn't quite stick the landing

[quick fiber]

I didnt even notice that XD

[inland verge]

Working on getting past Hecate but cannot say it will be going well, we struggle and we succeed eventually!

[wanton stone]

hecate took me a loong time lmao

[grand tinsel]

Hello, everybody. I got Hades too yesterday. And why is there a stupid talking spider? I swear this game keeps you're getting more weirder.By the minute i'm done

And I also forgot to say I play the game.However I want to play it

[strong solar]

Ok so she is a spider, so what?

[strong solar]

yeah there are a ton of viable playstyle so you can feel free to explore and play how you wish, there are very few "BAD bad" options

[wise locust]

Failure is part of the design of the game, you are meant to fail so you feel the growth

Basically I'm just saying that we've all been there, we feel ya, you aren't just wasting time with lost runs because the game expects you to fail and still make progress

[grand tinsel]

@strong solar yeah, you're right. And also I know she's a spider one time. I hear a talking spider. It was from Harry Potter. I was like, well, okay, I guess I don't know. And also, what is the spider doing? If she wants me to now, i'm not going to say it nope.Anyway

[strong solar]

how good is ur greek mythology?

also all the NPCs that you can talk to (except 1-2) will give you something that is generally useful so dont refuse their gifts if you dont like them

[shy zephyr]

was this an intentional elite ball reference to the web novel or was it a coincidence

[strong solar]

Intentional LOL im glad someone noticed

I read that manga a few years back, it was great initially but very formulaic, I might see the anime eventually though idk

[vivid flare]

Are you familiar with the myth of Arachne

[grand tinsel]

@strong solar i do no some of my Greek. Mythology, but not much or not. I know, I do know Zeus Hercules or in other mythology. His name is called Heracles, for reasons. And I do know odin Thor the God of thunder Loki aphrodites poseidon and the other ones that I can't remember off of the bat man

[vivid flare]

Hercules is the Roman name for Heracles

Odin, Thor, and Loki are all Norse, not Greek

[grand tinsel]

While those what I know so what do I expect? I usually go to school but not anymore. Since I don't teach those things at school nowadays. Since when I went to school, I won't teach math science. And that's it. So yeah, my school sucks.@vivid flare

[vivid flare]

?

[grand tinsel]

@vivid flare well, let me put it this way. When I gone to school my school sucked, they I was in this special needs program which I have special needs. But let's don't gain that right now right now. And let's just see what I said earlier.I do know some of my greek gods and whatever.So I do know thor loki poseidon the other one.So yeah, at my school, they don't really teach those things.When it used to go to school but you know I don't go to school no more

[inland verge]

Okay... Spent like six hours GRINDING, and I got through all of the over world first try... UNTIL ERIS THAT.. RRR.. I was starting to think she might not be as bad as people say she is considering her response to me giving her nectar for the first time, AND THEN IT TURNS OUT SHE'S THE FINAL BOSS FOR THE OVER WORLD TO GET TO OLYMPUS? man im gonna be so peeved.. I GET PAST POLYPHEMUS JUST FOR THHHIS?? eris bbg please...

sorry, i had to rant about this

[tidal moss]

Trust me when I say she is the easiest surface boss

[inland verge]

[tidal moss]

Have you beaten the uw yet?

[inland verge]

ah not yet, haven't been able to get past scylla yet

I do have to say I did not expect Narcissus to sound like.. that, more like a college frat boy, but it's oddly fitting

[tidal moss]

Then you're really gonn struggle with surface

[inland verge]

well i got through all the ships, but it took my death defiances.. so we'll see

[tidal moss]

I mean it gets way way worse

I'd recommend beating the final boss of underworld first

[inland verge]

ouhh ok..

[lapis cloak]

was eris debuffing you in the underworld?

if so, she stops doing that eventually

[inland verge]

huh, no

[lapis cloak]

ah ok, nevermind then

[arctic panther]

Starting endgame: || I've finished both incantations and cleared surface & underwold with Granddaddy Chronos. What I must do to unlock true ending and get jeweled pom?||

[lapis cloak]

Wait, you've reached the credits?

[arctic panther]

yes, I did.

[lapis cloak]

That's the true ending, only thing you have left is the epilogue

to get jeweled pom you need to gift || hades and Persephone in the underworld ||

[arctic panther]

But when I got there ||Chronos just took me back to my tent||

[lapis cloak]

eventually you'll also be able to gift || Chronos and he'll give you time piece ||, and the last keepsake is by beating the secret boss twice (an infernal contract will show up on mid shops)

[lapis cloak]

Huh?

They are || where hades was before, Npc room in Tartarus ||

[arctic panther]

I mean || I killed evil chronos with granddy Chronos. Then I coul'd enter House of Hades and I was teleported back to my tent||

[lapis cloak]

But now || hades will be there with Persephone, he still gives you an hades boon, but now you can gift him and get jeweled pom ||

[lapis cloak]

Yeah that's how the runs will play out now, || you're transported to a different timeline to eliminate another Chronos, but I'm not talking about that ||

[arctic panther]

Ach I see. ||i thought I could enter the palace. You tell me there are in NPC room where Hades used to be imprisoned. Now I understand everything||

[lapis cloak]

Yes 👍

[arctic panther]

||Speaking of jeweled pom. Should it be used immediately or in 4th Region when i got my build online?||

[lapis cloak]

First region

You keep the effects even after switching, as long as you stay in fates whim

[arctic panther]

I see. It's not for normal mode

[lapis cloak]

Its usually || jeweled pom in region 1 time piece region 2 ||

[lapis cloak]

Yes all the end game keepsakes require you to play on fates whim

Which means you can't have rerolls in your arcana and you cannot use god keepsakes

Meaning that you need to play completely random without manipulating the randomness of the game in any way

[arctic panther]

Understood

[lapis cloak]

But the effects are really strong so it's worth it

[arctic panther]

Can you do Fear with it?

[lapis cloak]

Yes

Most of the high fear runs are done on the fates whim

[thick path]

It's just me or hades 2 is way harder than 1? I'm at nearly 40 run and I can't finish the second path 🙁

[inland palm]

i only beat the game on my 40 smth run and i played h1

[arctic panther]

It's harder at the begining

Easier later

I had the same feeling like you

When I've learned how to propely use Mel's staff I have all buit sucess

[vague portal]

ooh i got my first legendary boon that's cool

[fossil crow]

can i max mel aspect for sister blades to unlock hidden aspect or does it have to be another one

[lapis cloak]

As far as I know it's another one

You need to have all 3 aspects unlocked and then 1 non-mel aspect at lvl 5

Then for the blades you gotta talk to artemis

[fossil crow]

alright

[vague portal]

what strategy do you guys use in the final region? ||should i head straight to the boss or go through the optional rooms?||

[lapis cloak]

For every extra room you go the more enemies the next rooms will have

It's still worth it if you're not pressed for time and is not taking unnecessary damage to the enemies

[vague portal]

i see

so unless im low on health i shouldn't worry

then again if im low on health there im pretty worried anyway

[vivid flare]

If you're low on health going in, you take Antler because if you're dying, everyone is

[vague portal]

I HAVE DONE IT HUZZAH

[velvet aspen]

for the hidden aspects are there any special requirements?

[lapis cloak]

Unlocked all base aspects, and have one non-melinoe aspect on rank 5

Then speak to specific npcs
|| Staff = Circe, Blades = Artemis, Torches = Moros, Skull = Medea, Axe = Charon, Coat = Selene ||

[velvet aspen]

damn

i thought it was any aspect max

ok thxs

[west sorrel]

YES

I BEAT CHRONOS

YES

It took me 30 nights

That seems good

[quick fiber]

Good job 👏

[west sorrel]

Ty

[inland palm]

took me 40 and i beat h1

maybe i just suck

[west sorrel]

So uh i have weapon aspects

What would be the best aspect

[quick fiber]

Took me 50 but I also ignored one of the core mechanics

[quick fiber]

What's your fav weapon

[west sorrel]

Umbrall flames

[inland palm]

unrelated but is there a chart for fear like there is for heat in the h1 high heat strategies thread

[quick fiber]

Eos

[quick fiber]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[west sorrel]

The yellow kind?

[quick fiber]

We talk fear there alot

[inland palm]

thx

[west sorrel]

I forgot the name

[quick fiber]

Yes the cloud one

[west sorrel]

Damn i was using the blue one

[quick fiber]

Moros is good

[vivid flare]

Moros is also incredibly strong

[quick fiber]

Eos is better

[west sorrel]

I got past prometheus today

[quick fiber]

Good mate

[vivid flare]

Eos is simpler, but isn't Moros more damage?

[west sorrel]

I died right after :)))

[vivid flare]

Unfortunate

[west sorrel]

I think if you can get the special and attack right

[vivid flare]

Gotta get up to the final boss for an unlock

[west sorrel]

There’s an unlock?

[vivid flare]

Yes

[arctic panther]

||Do Jeweled Pom + 4 lvl to each skill last if I switch it?||

[quick fiber]

I think Eos is more damage technically depending on the build cuz daybreak does it's high dmg pulse every 3 seconds

[vivid flare]

Yeah, ||until you break Fate's Whim||

[quick fiber]

Yes

[west sorrel]

How do you choose boons and stuff every run

[quick fiber]

Same with all other ||fates whim|| keepsake

[west sorrel]

I just go with whatevers good

[vivid flare]

Go with what works for your specific weapon's aspect, mostly

[quick fiber]

That's genuinely the best unless your building something specific

[west sorrel]

I mostly focus on magick attack and special related ones

[vivid flare]

Or find a high-rarity Heph clang and build around that

[inland palm]

random question: why is chaos a girl in this game? did they always look like that under the mask? also in different languages with gender is chaos a he or a she?

[west sorrel]

Since i use umbrall flames a lot

[vivid flare]

Chaos is neither and both, and that wasn't a mask, but a former body that they reshaped into their current one

[inland palm]

uhh ok

[vivid flare]

Legit, concepts of sex or gender don't really apply when Chaos is effectively God with a capital G

[inland palm]

yeah i just thought it was weird and random

[west sorrel]

I have a question too: is the hades games really accurate to the real greek mythology?

[vivid flare]

As for why they look like that now, it's because of Zag and Nyx

[vivid flare]

Eh, there's some liberties taken to remove a lot of the incest that's otherwise present

[quick fiber]

Chaos is Chaos and Chaos felt like changing it up a little

[vivid flare]

And some of the more graphic myths are implied rather than outright stated

[west sorrel]

Alright

[shy zephyr]

chaos is like, beyond the concept of gender. is referred to as non binary in both games

[west sorrel]

I wanna try weapons like the axe and twin blades

How do i use them effectively?

[inland palm]

twin blades kinda suck

[serene laurel]

I’d say it’s respectful to the source material while still taking liberties to remove outdated concepts

[west sorrel]

Alr

[west sorrel]

I liked it for a while then moved on to the torches

[shy zephyr]

majority of strong blade builds revolve around the base special, put zeus or hera on it and play from distance. best hammers are trick knives and reaper knives

[inland palm]

as a noob, i like torches, axe, and skull

[west sorrel]

Well i like coat torches and skull

[serene laurel]

I’m surprised, a lot of new players find skulls hard to use

[inland palm]

its basically cast in h1

[west sorrel]

Coat is my favourite cuz it stands out from other weapons with its high-tech look

[vivid flare]

It's like if the cast had QoL

[west sorrel]

I do sorry

[inland palm]

i find it funny that theres a bunch of ancient weapons and then a gun and a mech suit

[west sorrel]

Freaking homing missiles in ancient times

[serene laurel]

And of course strife ends up with the gun..

[west sorrel]

Can you get the gun?

[serene laurel]

In hades 1 but not 2

[inland palm]

cool how she has the same mechanic where shooting herself increases her damage

[west sorrel]

Damn thatd be cool

[serene laurel]

In hades 2, ||Eris wields it||

[west sorrel]

Im trying hades 2 first

Then hades 1

[west sorrel]

Tbh shes kinda easy

[inland palm]

ive never died to her somehow

[vivid flare]

I do not recommend that

[west sorrel]

Why?

[inland palm]

lore

it was crazy to see ||zag in the mirror|| for the first time

[serene laurel]

I mean there’s nothing inherently wrong with doing hades 2 first

But people find 1 -> 2 easier

[vivid flare]

Because Hades 2's gameplay is the first game but significantly more refined, so going backwards is gonna lead to a lot of "crunchy in the soft" moments

[west sorrel]

Ahhhh ok

[inland palm]

h1 is simpler and a bit less smooth than h2

[serene laurel]

But not in a bad way necessarily

It’s still really fun, and the two games differentiate themselves

Mel and Zag are two different characters who fight completely differently, and the gameplay reflects it. Zag is a bruiser with 2 dashes and quicker reactions, while Mel is more methodical with one dash and a sprint

[vivid flare]

Also, the first game is a lot more imbalanced

Mel has actual build setups and the majority of her weapons remain viable even into the really high Fear levels

Zag does not have that luxury

[serene laurel]

Zagreus has beowulf

Which combines the burst damage of Medea and the shielding of coat omega attack

[inland palm]

unrelated but which olympian gives the best magick boon

the one that restores your magick somehow

[vivid flare]

||Hera, usually||, with Apollo as a close second

[inland palm]

is aphrodite any good? it seems like i basically have infinite magick when i get hers

[vivid flare]

Aphro's is solid, but usually used more for the curse it applies rather than strictly for regen

[serene laurel]

Aside from ||Hera's Born gain, and Apollo's Lucid gain, which are almost universal|| the rest of the gains really depend on your weapon. Something important to keep in mind is that you won't regain magick over time (such as with glamour gain or the unseen) while channeling omega moves, but you will still regain magick through bursts of magick regen (like with lucid gain)

so Glamour gain CAN restore a lot of magick, but it struggles on weapons like torches where you'll almost always be channeling

[inland palm]

thanks

[serene laurel]

my advice is to just never click tough gain and you'll be fine (glamour gain's damage reduction from weak is always better)

[inland palm]

which one is tough gain

is that hephastus?

also is hestias good with torches

[serene laurel]

It can work, but you'll have to pom it a lot if you want it to be fully automatic with Omega attacking. The regular special can be used for some quick magick with it though

it's not a bad option

[vivid flare]

Real shame that they nerfed it into the ground

(You used to be able to pom it to increase how much damage it reduced)

[arctic panther]

|| I used Athena keepsake and I've lost jeweled pom boost. What keepsakes should I use?||

[vague portal]

eyyy we did it in the same day. nice job man!

no idea how many runs i took because idk how to check

[rustic hinge]

what regions do you mean

[arctic panther]

Underwold. I've switched from "|| Jeweled pom|| at the end of erebus and lost fates whim when i equipped ||Athena keepsake||

[rustic hinge]

||after erebus time piece is the most common choice, but you could fig if timer is a concern. in region 3 you could athena if your hades boon isnt that good||

although region 3 id probably take something else if youre on strength

[vivid flare]

||Any keepsake besides Amulet and the god keepsakes will be valid for Fate's Whim. Time Piece or Calling Card is the usual play for the second region||

[arctic panther]

But will I lose ||hades boon and +4 to all skills?||

[rustic hinge]

only if you equip one of those keepsakes

[lapis cloak]

You lose the || hades boon|| and all future boons will be level 1 instead of 4, but all the ones you picked before will still be +4

Fates whim requires you to rave 0 rerolls and don't use any olympiam summoning keepsake || Athena is an olympian and her keepsake gives you one of her boons so it counts, But for example Dionysus keepsake doesnt count because it doesnt give you a dio boon||

[arctic panther]

So it is better to keep + 4 for most of the run, right?

[lapis cloak]

Usually yes

|| unless you REALLY need an athena or a specific god, but you only do that on region 3 so your build would be already pretty much complete at that point ||

The general pattern is || Jeweled pom start -> Time piece -> Defensive/Utility keepsake/Calling card -> Pin/Antler/Lion Fang ||

[vivid flare]

Sometimes ||you take Card in region 2 and Chrolex in region 3 if you've got some boons left for the build that you really want to make Heroic||

[lapis cloak]

More and more i am becoming a fan of card in region 2

It can make for some funny things sometimes but its less usual yeah

[vague portal]

is the surface or the underworld harder

[vivid flare]

Surface until you crank up the ||Vow of Rivals||

[mossy lynx]

Hey guys, so I just beat ||Chronos|| for the first time and was wondering how I should progress from here.

I know for some gifts you have to meet them over and over again but should i just do that or try to work on getting up to the surface now after my first run? My main goal right now is just to unlock all the keepsakes and work towards collection progression

Another question which is more mechanic related is when boons say "your attack is increased by x%" does this also buff the boons associated to that attack... I'm assuming it's just the hit as well as the omega version, and none of the curses/status effects (scorch or blitz etc) that come along with it get buffed

[rustic hinge]

||just keep doing runs, make sure to check incantations and prophecies often.||

[mossy lynx]

im mostly asking is it worth trying to beat surface or just keep doing underworld runs for now and increase fear?

[rustic hinge]

both are fine, surface will have new resources you need though

[vague portal]

the what

[rustic hinge]

+x% stuff will all stack additively, and if something boosts both an attack and omega attack, it will say "attacks"; if only normal attack, "attack"

[inland palm]

?tag uncspoilers

Dang it

[vivid flare]

Please look forward to it

[vague portal]

that's vague

[vivid flare]

Indeed

[arctic panther]

What's the best aspect I should level for each weapon? I've got max lvl Melinoe staff, Artemis blade, Moros Flames.

Auch. Also Medea skull fully leveled.

[vivid flare]

For a lot of the weapons, I'd say there's a very big difference between "best" and "gains the most power from upgrading"

For instance, Medea skull is objectively the best skull aspect, but Persephone desperately needs levels

Same thing for the staves, Momus requires its Nightmare to feel good, while the other 3 are objectively better

[lapis cloak]

Tbh Medea kinda also needs the levels

But I get your point cause even lvl1 Medea is really solid just because the aspect is so good

[sour cobalt]

All base aspects. You don't need nightmare to upgrade and they are strong enough in lv5.

[arctic panther]

Yeah, but i've got plenty of resources now. I can fully upgrade any aspect.

[kindred quiver]

The higher level upgrades take more nightmare, so it can be better to upgrade multiple things to 3/4

[sour cobalt]

All of them. More aspect more builds and more fun. Especially hidden aspects are really fun.

[mossy lynx]

how do i get more testaments, i read a thread about it but cant seem to understand

[kindred quiver]

The vows?

[scenic arrow]

You need to fight all bosses and unlock all weapons

[proven gazelle]

basically the testaments are bounties on each weapon for a region boss that bounces between all the bosses, unlock more bosses, get more weapons, and they go up to 20 fear max

[scenic arrow]

There are a total of 48 testaments. 6 Weapons, each with 8 testaments, 1 testament for each boss in the game.

[vague portal]

what the hell am i supposed to do about ||Typhon|| that was insane

i can barely beat ||prometheus||

[kindred quiver]

When you get used to his, his laser beam and chin slam are easy to dodge

When he throws the whirlwinds out, just focus on not getting hit by them

[proven gazelle]

hes super easy to bait out to do like 2 things actually

his patters is projectile -> if youre close chin slam -> repeat

[vague portal]

yeah but for my first time seeing him it was terrifying

[proven gazelle]

so just like constantly go in and out and hes stuck doing the same like 3 things

[vague portal]

he's goddamn ||massive and has NO HEALTH BAR||

[kindred quiver]

When he first shoots out all those exploding balls, go the the bottom of the arena. He shoots them at the bottom, but they bounce back to the top.

[proven gazelle]

65000 iirc actually

but he has phases so youll always know where youre at

[kindred quiver]

And if you get good at phase 1 the rest of him is easy

[vague portal]

im struggling to even get to him ;c

[proven gazelle]

his tongue laser also ahs a giant blindspot by his head since the actual tongue has no hitbox just the laser

[kindred quiver]

I mean that's how the game is. You slowly get better and better

[inland palm]

I’m still stuck on Prometheus

Any tips?

[proven gazelle]

umm he has a super simple rhythm of normal -> normal -> flame iirc

and when he does the flame attacks the animation gets a bit slower so keep an eye out there

and for his flames my reccomendation is start off standing in the first clear zone so you have to memorize one less, then call out top, mid, or bottom aloud to remember better(or just learn the iframe timing)

[scenic arrow]

you're House, just pop a vicodin and style all over them

[kindred quiver]

House is canonically a gamer so it's possible he's playing Hades 2 rn

[scenic arrow]

not entirely sure, since he said something like "let me finish this level" when playing metroid fusion, a game without distinct levels

[kindred quiver]

That can also just be House brushing someone off by saying there's levels when there isn't.

When I was younger and played games without levels, I'd still tell my mom, "Okay after this level."

[inland palm]

yeah but hes fast

[kindred quiver]

Nerds: Top, middle, bottom.

Cool people (me): Left, middle, right.

[scenic arrow]

Cooler people: 1, 2, 3

[kindred quiver]

I can't count

[scenic arrow]

I dont know my left and rights

[wintry rivet]

Iframe thru the flame

[vague portal]

just found ||Dionysus|| for the first time. what the hell happened

[tidal moss]

He grew

[inland palm]

coolest people: upper left, middle diagonal, lower right

[serene laurel]

Based and real

[mossy lynx]

lord how do you fight ||prometheus|| on a melee build

i just fought him and only won cuz i was playing a ranged cast build lol

[loud linden]

Coolestest people: that one, that one, that one

[loud linden]

As a person who has done multiple ||morrigan|| and just stands there while ||Heracles and Prometheus|| beat me up, you need a lot of health.

[light anvil]

promethous be whooping me

[tidal moss]

Been a lot of prometheus struggles lately apparently

[mossy lynx]

he's super quick with his melee attaacks plus he's making you play mario party

[tidal moss]

Lmaoooo

[mossy lynx]

don't tell me i gotta remember where you're gonna hit me like im stressed out enough

[tidal moss]

I suppose I don't remember ever struggling so I can't give much advice

[tidal moss]

You can always pause or write it down

[mossy lynx]

it's fine, just the first time i fought him and im surprised how much the difficulty spikes lol

[tidal moss]

Alot of people (like me) call out the numbers of the lanes

[mossy lynx]

my hardest learning curves as a new player so far are him and scylla (which is like easy now)

[tidal moss]

People getting stuck on scylla always boggles me cause now she takes less than 15 seconds

[loud linden]

Only struggled like first four times i faced him

But the bosses are always going to be hard for new players, hence the name of the channel

[tidal moss]

True that

[kind sparrow]

What is ||driftwood|| categorized as? Im trying to use a ||familar|| to make it spawn, but I really dont know what box it fits into

[lapis cloak]

I think outcropping

So gale

[kind sparrow]

alr, thank you

[inland verge]

Got halfway through Prometheus, and also halfway through Chronos' second phase

[tawny nexus]

Does anyone have any tips for ||VoR Scylla?|| I know I need to keep playing and i'll learn but im actually going to start tweaking out

[proven gazelle]

What weapon??

Since that'll change how you can approach em

[wintry rivet]

Taking out 1 tentacle around Roxy give you more room to dodge

[proven gazelle]

generally theres 2 ways to go, either you rush Roxy or take it slower by the bottom right tentacle and work your way up

[tawny nexus]

Coat and twin blades

[serene laurel]

It’s by far one of the hardest bosses. In general, don’t rush down roxy. I know she’s just sitting there, but you will get overconfident. Unless you have a timer breathing down your neck, try to pick off some tentacles in the back to give yourself room, and then work towards the tentacles by roxy

[tawny nexus]

okok gotchya

[serene laurel]

Also, if you’ve unlocked ||Hera, her hitch status effect is INCREDIBLE for the sirens||

[proven gazelle]

A strat i like to do is rush Roxy for the first like 2 seconds, then run to the far right tentacle safe spot before Roxy waves start hitting you then work back up to roxy or down to the other tentacles depending on scylla and jetty

[tawny nexus]

I never thought about that you a thinker

[wintry rivet]

Spreading hitch in that fight with nexus rush is kinda fun

[serene laurel]

You’ve gotta run like the cops are after you if you have frenzy on too

[tawny nexus]

Alright, so main idea is make a safe spot asap and work your way around?

[proven gazelle]

Yep

[tawny nexus]

gotchya, tysm i would name my first child after you if i had one

[vague portal]

100% agree the same. ive managed to figure out scylla but he is still a nightmare

[arctic panther]

How can I get stardusk when I finished all Chaos trials?

[tidal moss]

12 fear rewards in tartarus and summit

[wise locust]

Buy it. Narc occasionally offers it

[pale sage]

I'm not progressing on epilogue dialogue for some reason, I've talked to them and they're not checked on the list

[wise locust]

do it more, you might have to get through a few more

and gift those you can

[mossy lynx]

So I’ve managed so far (keep in mind im still day 3) just spamming attack mixed with dash strike for melee builds

Ive noticed some people recommend special cancelling in your rotation to avoid last hits of your melee combo

Is this overall better? Im assuming if you have at least one special boon to add a curse it makes it comparable in damage( or more) and better in safety

[lapis cloak]

Depends entirely on the weapon

If you're using staff for example it's usually dash attack > attack > special

Or just dash attack > special

But I would say most weapons like to use both their attack and special in some way even if they are heavily focused on one of them

With some exceptions

[mossy lynx]

So basically for any weapon just get used to weaving specials? Unless im going full range build

[wise locust]

Not so much on torches, but you can usually cancel the recovery time on an attack with a special and get more dps overall

Absolutely mash specials when attacking with xinth

[mossy lynx]

Is this with or without boons taken into account, as in i should be taking at least one special boon?

Plus it makes it easier to activate that one arcana

[wise locust]

You should always be filling in your core boon slots

[lapis cloak]

idk if you specifically was talking about regular attack/special but what i mentioned about a lot of weapons using both is cause they really do, but sometimes its going to be ospecial or oattack

for torches for example, you really want boons in both cause even if youre spamming attack youre still using ospecial (or for eos even when youre spamming special youre still using oattack)

[wise locust]

And as a pretty hard rule: don't put the same god on your attack and special boons

[mossy lynx]

Oh ive been doing all my runs exclusively running only attack or special boon

[lapis cloak]

exceptions to this are like, charon axe

[mossy lynx]

Casts and dash ive been trying to fill out

[lapis cloak]

what weapon are you using?

[wise locust]

Always fill out your cores

[cosmic chasm]

Just started playing last night, 3 hrs in. Any extremely bad mistakes I can make, or fine to just mess around and find stuff out myself safely?

[wise locust]

Nothing is missable

[tidal moss]

As long as you use the right arcana and keepsakes you'll be fine

[cosmic chasm]

Are arcana resettable? Or might just have to farm more resources to unlock ones at a slower pace if choosing non-optimally?

Also, I assume Ghost Onion is a really good choice for early use? Definitely seems to make my runs last longer for now, better than other options I've unlocked so far

[wise locust]

Not resettable, but don't worry about it. Learning enemies and dodging matters far more than early game arcana choices does

[nova kiln]

what does the little note icon above a chamber reward mean?

i dont really want a pom but it has the icon above it so im not sure if i should go for it anyways

if its important

welp i missclicked and went into a different room, nvm then

[lapis cloak]

It means there is an item that you need for an incantation there

[nova kiln]

ah ok thanks

new question, how much ||fate fabric|| do i end up needing? i can get a ton of it right now since i have a lot of the ||charon card thingies|| im debating on taking max magick or ||fate fabric and rerolls|| from ||narcissus||

ima just take the max magick, i still would love an answer on that lol

[lapis cloak]

I don't know the exact number cause there are a lot of incantations in this game but eventually youre not gonna need fate fabric anymore

[nova kiln]

ok thanks

[worthy topaz]

Hey guys how does changing luck charms in midgame affect ? If I take lucky charm thing does It give me 1 more revive at last stage after beating perseus and bull or minos?

[shy zephyr]

keepsakes act different in hades 1 and 2, go to #h1-for-new-players

[fossil crow]

i have a non mel aspect on rank 5 for daggers, talked to ||artemis|| twice and got nothing

whats the problem

[shy zephyr]

do you have both aspect of ||artemis|| and aspect of ||pan|| unlocked

[fossil crow]

i dont have pan unlocked

[shy zephyr]

that's it then

[fossil crow]

another question

i just talked to ||artemis||, can i undo night and retry and shed pop up again

[shy zephyr]

no because the seed is only consistent in the first two rooms

[fossil crow]

and do i need to have daggers equipped

when meeting her

[shy zephyr]

nope

[fossil crow]

alright thanks

[fossil crow]

do i also need mel aspect unlocked

[shy zephyr]

iirc the mel aspect automatically counts as unlocked

upgrade it to level 2 if you want to be sure 🤷‍♂️

[vague portal]

best aspect for torches?

[shy zephyr]

||moros, eos a close second||

[vague portal]

well ive reached ||Typhon|| with low health and no death defiance. this is gonna go badly!

well i beat my record on how far i got in his fight but nah he destroyed me

[thick path]

Hi everyone, can I just sell fishes to the shop or I should keep them for something else?

Also, to who should I give nectar? I already gave 2 to most characters to unlock the quest, but now should I give to Gods, characters in the home or some other secondary?

Oh, does hitch has any effect of bosses? Or it's useless against them?

[vivid flare]

It only takes effect if there's multiple bosses. Or if there's adds at the same time

[magic aspen]

So for Hecate you ca hitch all the summons at the start

[vivid flare]

Hecate's clones aren't adds

[thick path]

Thanks 🙂 what about the other two questions?

[vivid flare]

Fish have no use besides selling, and you should gift everyone at least once because there's a few incantations locked behind doing so

[thick path]

I'm giving 2/3 gift to anyone, but what after that?

[vivid flare]

I wouldn't even give 2 to anyone who doesn't give a prophecy for it, TBH

Just so you can make sure you get stuff like the boon list and relationship meters unlocked

Once you've got everyone sorted, sure, go nuts

But before that, I wouldn't

[lapis cloak]

the first gift is to get the keepsake, the next ones is if you want to fill certain prophecies/get max bond/relationships

[arctic panther]

Should I focus on getting better with || Jeweled POM|| or try to do some premade builds? I'm trying to learn for high fear

[lapis cloak]

jpom is highly used for high fears

[arctic panther]

I can pretty much clear with Mel's staff using || Jeweled pom|| on whatever configuration, but I've got problems with learning the blades

[lapis cloak]

if you want to have an 'idea' of how to build each weapon look at the pinned post on #h2-builds-and-combat

[arctic panther]

Also. Should I use that Fear modificier that reducer boons?

[arctic panther]

I think the problem is not building but playing that weapon xD

[lapis cloak]

the guide also explains how to play with the weapon, its really complete

if you wanna push high fear i think it helps a lot to get a base understanding of the weapons

[vivid flare]

Onion or Denial?

[arctic panther]

Denial

I don't know if it will be good for || j.pom|| runs, or it will brick it because of randomness

[oblique verge]

denial is necessary at higher heats, but it may make things harder than they need to be if you are not very confident with boon selection

[vivid flare]

It's one of the Vows you can actually learn to play around, since it will track your deleted boons in the Codex

[vague portal]

||TYPHON|| IS VANQUISHED WOOOOOHHH

i guess i should probably move to #h2-discussion rather than new players at this point lol

[arctic panther]

Thanks. How should i use ||Secret keepsakes? 2 first regions J.Pom, then Zagreus in 3rd and Chronos 4t5h?||

[vivid flare]

||Jpom's|| effect persists after swapping, so you can use ||Chrolex or Card|| in the second region without worrying

[leaden hill]

anyone wanna vc

[vivid flare]

No

[tawny nexus]

Once youre at the point of not needing specific resources anymore, whats the objective best companion?

[shy zephyr]

gale, assuming you're very good at dodging

[tawny nexus]

Gotchya thank you

[vivid flare]

Gale for defense, Raki for offense

[alpine crest]

hólá

olá

alguem jogando com rato e teclado este jogo

[vivid flare]

Not sure there are that many people here that speak Portuguese

[scenic arrow]

sup

[mossy lynx]

Whats the loadout for keepsakes that I should be working for, right now im just using ||Aromatic Phial, Embryo, Wallet and then the thing that gives me a second wind (countdown timer) for the final round||

I think all of those are fine but maybe not the embryo since its kinda random

Idk what is better than that though when all i really have are god keepsakes and survival stuff for the most part atm

[proven gazelle]

normally you go a god keepsake in r1, maybe a different one for r2 if youre fishing for something specific, then r3 i tend to do e.hammer, then r4 is antler/pin/fang

its not worth using anything else besides a god keepsake in r1 until you get post credits keepsakes or youre doing a funny challenge

[old perch]

hi everyone, i just started playing. What's some helpful advice you can give to beginners?

[wintry rivet]

Dying is part of the progress

[vivid flare]

There's a lot more nuance to the meta-progression here than there was with the first game

Also, if you haven't played the first game, I recommend doing so first

[lapis cloak]

Use the cast!

[tidal moss]

Never stop casting

[tall kernel]

Don't be afraid of abusing God mode to make progression and learn the game.

Don't be afraid of starting a new game file later on where you never touch God mode... that's totally normal

So mote it be

[tidal moss]

You reckon Wesley would be good at hades 2

[tall kernel]

Wesley, nah... but the Dred Pirate Roberts, he's very good at hades 2.

[tidal moss]

I concur

[slate inlet]

finnaly got my first 2 ||typhon|| kills

also had one of my most broken builds so far a few runs ago

[alpine crest]

man, i die a lot but i pass the mermaids

[flat heart]

Why is the fear requirement jumping up so much

It went from 1 to 2 to 4 to now 8

[vivid flare]

Because that's just what it does. I think the next one after that's 10

[flat heart]

Does it reset of something?

[vivid flare]

No

[flat heart]

So it just keeps going up

[vivid flare]

Up to 20, yes

And I think after the 8-Fear bounty, they start dropping 2 Nightmare

And then the 20-Fear bounties drop 3

[flat heart]

Oooooohhhhh

It depends on the weapon right?

[vivid flare]

Yes

[tidal moss]

Yep

[flat heart]

I just switched to skulls now it’s back to 1

[vivid flare]

Each weapon has its own set of bounties

[wintry rivet]

Back in hades 1 day it increases by 1 at a time and it was super annoying

[lapis cloak]

Fr this system is so much better

[leaden hill]

anyone wanna vc?>

[mossy lynx]

What vows should i pick up if i dont want to make bosses that much harder

Mobs are unironically ok, the better ive gotten at building/having more arcana strength the more ive gotten comfortable with clearing up to bosses lol

[wintry rivet]

Target fear?

[mossy lynx]

Im at barely anything rn, im at like 10 atm

I guess my question id whats the easiest vows to manage for starters

Dont bring up anything that increases boss difficulty tho…

[wintry rivet]

Time 2 hubris 2 shadow menace

Denial

Fang can be considered

[mossy lynx]

Also that one vow that makes you reduce boon selection is so…

[wintry rivet]

Denial is not bad, just need used to

[mossy lynx]

Theres a point though where im just forced into a swap… but maybe thats just teaching me i need to prioritize health more

[wintry rivet]

You just need to check what you have left with codex

Or stop taking same god after you already got most thing you want

[old perch]

thank you 🥹 i thought i was being stupid by using it but when i saw it i was like 'this is genius for beginners'

[old perch]

thank you ♡

[fossil crow]

im at ||circe||, im being offered two upgrades, one randomly draws 1 arcana and upgrades it, the other draws 2

is the latter just better or is there a drawback

nvm i misread

[mossy lynx]

Why is regular aspect staff considered good? Is it just cuz staffs a good versatile weapon with decent attack range (even if youre not leaning into full ranged build and just doing dash strike special/rotations)

[wise locust]

because +40 special power is awesome

[wise locust]

Doubling your special base damage turns it from a decent crowd control weapon into a frickin' railgun

[fossil crow]

ive encountered ||artemis|| at least 5 times and still havent gotten the aspect of morrigan. I have the other aspects unlocked and i have a non-mel aspect at rank 5. What am i missing

[wise locust]

probably just more daigloue needed

[arctic panther]

i've stopped receiving new contracts to kill specific targets on given fear. Why is that?

[shy zephyr]

you finished them

there's 8 for every weapon

[arctic panther]

Ouch I see. That's why it's 20/48 on the top.

[trim carbon]

if you're at 20/48 you should have other ones.. unless you dont have all the arms unlocked.. you might be blocked behind continuing with that specific weapon.

[pale sage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/761429762623012904/1458467890851483688/image.png?ex=695fbf92&is=695e6e12&hm=6ff70697a7925418ec3943ead659ce6264c6b69ad0a6d3e56130d0f8a66dfa52&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

I got lucky with hepha boons, thought this was gonna be really hard

[trim carbon]

Arachne's Keepsake helps a lot. As well as buying any armor you come across.

[pale sage]

yeah I used that keepsake as well

[gray walrus]

if u dont get hit u dont need arachne keepsake

[pale sage]

I wish I didn't need it

though one less achievement to worry for

[tall kernel]

Reach the final confrontation doesn’t mean clear right? Just reach it?

[wise locust]

precisely

[tall kernel]

I want to try this

[wise locust]

If you do finish, you get the Silk Saver title

[pale sage]

what, I did not get that iirc

wait nvm, I did, the font was just so slim I didn't notice it

[slate inlet]

4th ||typhon|| kill this time with selene coat of arms

[tidal moss]

Hate that aspect

[slate inlet]

same but eh i made it work omega special spam zeus get some hestia burn spam hera yk usual zeus break

[fossil crow]

is there a reason not to use the huntress arcana

its just free damage, just use one magick spell every encounter

[wise locust]

it's pretty good

only affects basic attack and special, so omega and cast focused weapons use it less

The furies and Origination are similarly standard picks

[slate inlet]

damn

anyways time to do my last ||typhon|| got torches with bones so he doesnt stand a chance

[velvet aspen]

how do you forge a bond with hecate?

do i just need to talk to her more

[vivid flare]

You need to ||finish the epilogue||

[velvet aspen]

thxs

[slate inlet]

just got to the endgame/prologue i think

[kind sparrow]

Any tips for fighting ||Eris?|| The shotgun is driving me insane

[slate inlet]

you can always run and wait it out or try to stand between

[proven gazelle]

Just stay behind her and she can't hit you

And for the shotgun dont be afraid to just back off

[vivid flare]

Stay behind her

[kind sparrow]

Thank you all

[slate inlet]

also the two pillars can help allot if she doesnt destroy them

[oblique verge]

don't forget you can dash through her to get behind her

[tulip vigil]

what does the paper page looking icon above some rooms mean?

[slate inlet]

something you need for the fated list is in there

[iron radish]

can torch get blitz on attack?

[tidal moss]

Yes?

[iron radish]

alright was just confused since i saw like 7 zeus boon offers without it 🙃

[proven gazelle]

thats just rng being a pain

[slate inlet]

did you have an attack boon already?

[iron radish]

idts

just ||hera||cast and zeus special

how much rarer are replacement boons anw?

[proven gazelle]

a decent bit, but you can force them with sacrificial hymn(charon well item) or the denial vow

[slate inlet]

there is a charon well item that gaurentees it

[wintry rivet]

Basically don't make sac boon your plan

Even with charon well item it might sac the wrong boon

[flat heart]

What are some of the easiest fears I can equip

[proven gazelle]

timer2 is pretty free for most people

hubris, debt(chrolex solves it), shadow, menace

[flat heart]

I have that

I’m trying to reach fear 10

[tidal moss]

Timer, frenzy, shadow, hubris, denial, menace, fangs, and rivals

[proven gazelle]

denial is pretty easy to get used to, rivals needs to go on asap if you wanna push higher fear(same with frenzy)

scars2 is pretty free

but avoid scars3, pain, grit, hoards, void as much as possible those are the really mean ones

forfeit i also wouldnt put on for a while since it can really mess up the flow of erebus

[wintry rivet]

Forfeit also straight up unfun

[kindred quiver]

Debt 1 is also really easy. You get so much money

@flat heart ^

[flat heart]

How do you use twin lures

[wintry rivet]

Gift to npc

[rustic hinge]

crossroads only if thats the confusion

[flat heart]

Which npc?

[rustic hinge]

any in crossroads will accept it i think

[wintry rivet]

Need to progress their relationship until certain point first tho

[flat heart]

Oh so I just level any npcs bond then I can use the lures

[slate inlet]

you can see it with the codex btw wich one require what

[iron radish]

whats that || hera || boon that increases rarity of another random boon ?

[proven gazelle]

Bridal glow, makes a random boom heroic and +3(?) Poms

[iron radish]

ty, can you pom it?

[proven gazelle]

No since its just a one time effect like heavy metal armor

[iron radish]

and it stays on said boon forever? unless it gets replaced / sold

[wintry rivet]

Even if it get sold/replaced

[vivid flare]

Up to +4 depending on rarity

[slate dagger]

man i got so close to kill kronos, though out of the 4 weapon i got so far, i dont really know how to use the torch, i bodied most enemy using sisters blade, and the staff, i would like to learn the axe but the damm thing is so slow

[wintry rivet]

Axe go spin

Mel axe just do dash strike special

Fast and mobile

[vivid flare]

The Special on the axe resets your combo

And also animation cancels the attack as a cherry on top

[exotic osprey]

Man is this game hard lol, either that or I’m just feeling what I remember feeling back when I started the first game

Just started tonight and I keep underestimating the damage the bosses do…and it definitely isn’t helped by getting sporadically cursed lol

Anyone got any tips for ||Scylla|| and ||Cerberus||? I can usually beat the first one but not without a lot more bruises than Lernie ever gave me in 1, and ||doggo|| plus Mel’s slower movement feels like fighting Asterius + a Dionysus boosted Theseus on steroids lol

[shy zephyr]

for the second fight, remember that you can sprint

if you keep forgetting, you can turn auto sprint on in the settings

[exotic osprey]

Imma probably just do that instead lol

I always completely forget at least one button of my moveset when I get overwhelmed

But what about how to play it or who to look out for?

(I gotta get some sleep so I’m just asking the questions I really want answered lol)
How do I fight ||Scylla|| and ||Cerberus||?
Rn my plan for 1 is ||kill the drummer then soloist then Scylla||…but it’s always really rough, usually taking a lot of stray hits from what I’m not jumping or ||the featured artist||
For 2 I’ve tried staying far or sticking close, but he’s really fast, covers like 90% of the playable area at all times, and absolutely chunks my health whenever I slip up either way

[cursive venture]

i can't wait to finish hades I and play hades II

i've played 24h+ of hades I and lowk get burned out 😭

[astral orchid]

you might just need to dodge more and get practice, i saw you just started they get easier as you get more arcana upgrades and weapon upgrades and stuff. listen to the song outside of the fight so you arent distracted by how catchy it is (which later on builds into singing along as you're wiping her out). use your cast a lot, slowing them both down is pretty huge

facetanking isn't reliable, its ok to back off for a sec to not get hit

[slate dagger]

one of my biggest thing i need to relearn is dashing

u cant like triple dash like in hades 1

intead u position well, dash when needed and reposition again and place down ur attack

i died so scylla so many time, like 4 before i managed to kill her

then on that same run with lim and oros (my beloved) i first try the beast and nrealy killed of old man himself, but i got no health left and one swing took me out, though i am now hooked

[wind stump]

even if you get rid of bridal glow the boon will remain upgraded in rarity

the effect is basically permanent

[iron radish]

ah ok

[pale sage]

is ||base morrigan|| still really good?

[shy zephyr]

not as quite, you can run hestia attack spam or apollo final slice

[pale sage]

hidden upgrades are so expensive

[iron radish]

which torch hammers are best?

[exotic osprey]

Yeah probably, the slight differences between how the two games feel is throwing me off a lot, I’ll just have to keep trying then lol

[unborn plaza]

hidden helix, sudden burst

[vivid flare]

Kill the drummer first

Spoiler mark that

And you need to run both routes

[supple chasm]

But like prio tho

[vivid flare]

You could take either, really. Underworld does need more clears, though

Think it's ||7 below and 4 up top|| before you can do the incantations

[supple chasm]

Ah i see thank you

[slate dagger]

dammit i died again to chronos, man he deal lots of damage, my axe while deal beeg dmg with triple slam cant land it quick enough

[exotic osprey]

Once I figured out ||she was the aoe attacker she became priority number 1 lol||

It’s the rest of the bullet hell that I’ve been struggling with lol

[mossy lynx]

Does huntress arcana affect the boons associated with the attack or just the attacks itself?

[vivid flare]

Just the attack itself, it won't cause Blitz or splashes to hit harder

[astral orchid]

Yeah that makes sense, dash sprint rather than. Two dashes will do that to ya. And in this game the cast isn’t an afterthought, use it a lot you’ll be impressed relative to h1

[wise locust]

All sources of +X% damage like that stack additively, only crits and Ares double damage multiply

but if you also mean "Does huntress affect the damage of scorch, blitz and Posideon splashes?" then no

[exotic osprey]

I gotta do that too lol, usually I’m not close enough to make use of it enough to keep in mind all the time

In H1 aside from cast centric builds (Demeter, Hermes recall + Ares cast or something like that) I almost never used cast since I was too focused on my weapons lol

[tidal moss]

Always be casting in hades 2

[exotic osprey]

I ran the fists, shield, and bow the most, still trying to get a groove of the new weapons here (also trying to find the silver to get them in the first place)

[tidal moss]

Silver is in erebus

[shy zephyr]

in hades 2 treat your cast like your dash

it's a major part of your arsenal that's necessary for crowd control and defense

[exotic osprey]

Is there a consistent spot for it?

[tidal moss]

It's random

[exotic osprey]

I think what throws me off is that everything is just a tad slower here than H1

The strong attacks have a slower chargeup and you use less of them bc of a resource, you move slower, less dashes, etc. and it’s just enough to where I expect to go a certain distance when I move but fall just short enough to get clipped

[tidal moss]

Yeah gameplay is more strategic, especially with omega moces

[exotic osprey]

Is there a way to unlock the keepsake box between areas btw?

[tidal moss]

Yes

Do not remember how tho

[exotic osprey]

I’d really like to get ||Odysseus’s|| keepsake for the ||Cerberus|| fight but I want him to get the special ability too

[astral orchid]

I put cast on a back bumper which makes it easier

[exotic osprey]

Until then tho I think ||Charon, Skelly, and the ghost girl|| have the best trinkets to have for a run, right?

[rustic hinge]

charons has been useful for me one total time

[lapis cloak]

i think you just have to gift people and eventually the incantation will show up in your cauldron

[tidal moss]

You unlock an arcana card that makes the charon one useless, moros is a better keepsake than skelly, dora is good tho

[exotic osprey]

Charon’s is good for the first and usually most important shop for recovering from a stumbling run

At least that’s how Hypnos worked in H1

[lapis cloak]

tbf charon and tooth are decent when youre starting i get it

[tidal moss]

The humble boatman arcana:

[exotic osprey]

Tooth is good before finding real DDs, and even then a DD is a DD, same as in H1

[rustic hinge]

use some god keepsakes

[tidal moss]

Pin is better

[lapis cloak]

wait till you learn about strength

but yeah, dds are good

[exotic osprey]

The one that really catches my eye is Ody’s one, but I really want to swap to it strategically like I used to with acorn

[lapis cloak]

there's an arcana card that gives you the acorn effect

[exotic osprey]

Dang, that’s cool, I had a feeling dust was the most important resource to nab

[lapis cloak]

ody's keepsake can be good at the beginning but later you get better ones, it still holds its value for one specific boss fight

[exotic osprey]

I’m gonna take a stab in the dark and say ||Chronos||?

[lapis cloak]

No

[exotic osprey]

I haven’t reached him yet (hardstuck on ||Cerberus|| atm) but it seems really good for the last boss whoever that is

[lapis cloak]

But don't worry about it you'll get there eventually

[lapis cloak]

It's good yeah, it's a fine keepsake in general but on late game you'll have better options

[exotic osprey]

For now I think I’m gonna run either tooth or the ghost girl’s one