h2-for-new-players

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[dusk flicker]

Hm

[lilac ember]

yay

[agile siren]

thank you!

[lilac ember]

of the new gods which is y'all's favorite

[glacial finch]

cait can i try the thing

[frigid adder]

yes

[glacial finch]

pog

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[glacial finch]

0:

awesome thank you

[solar fractal]

you did it 🫅

[short spoke]

if you are on desktop you can highlight a part of your sentence ||like this part|| and if you press the eye at the right of the icons it will automatically ||spoiler the text||

[worldly pulsar]

Cant you use the backslash to make the formatting not weird for
||spoiler tag format||

[primal trench]

so what exactly is a locatio? a chamber?

[mossy meteor]

Yeah, basically one room

[wispy acorn]

@subtle warren You can actually click the button prompts on that screen, if I'm not mistaken. It is weird though.

[sick perch]

i dont understand how scorch is supposed to work, could someone pls explain?

[subtle warren]

@wispy acorn yeah, you can click at the bottom of the screen where the binds are listed, but it's still non-standard with the rest of the game. At minimum, I'd like to see the "Accept" and "Decline" moved to actually be visually designated as clickable buttons instead of keybind reminders, probably appearing below the summary of the exchange. Like the ||"YOU GIVE:"|| and ||"YOU TAKE"|| being two columns maybe, and the "ACCEPT" and "DECLINE" being two buttons below? I'm not a UI designer for sure, but what's here is not good imo.

[foggy heron]

hi, this is a built-in discord markup and as a result we cannot change it. sorry!

[brazen plaza]

all scorch damage is dealt over the span of 40 damage per second until the reserve of scorch runs out. So if you deal 4000 scorch damage you have to wait 100 seconds for it to fully apply

[sick perch]

ohh so like its just extra base damage but dealt with a delay

[hot quail]

When should I leave this channel

I've reached ||chronos|| but not killed him yet so do I earn the right to go to #h2-discussion

[royal pumice]

I wonder if in time multiple binds onto one button manual mapping will be allowed for controller, the game has the default binds working, but removes every instance of that button on other binds if you do it manually

[foggy heron]

I recommend it if you are tired of spoiler tagging your messages

[hot quail]

[Zone 4] kindly what the hell does this mean

What should I expect? It's up against ||3 pomegranates||

[cold meteor]

it gives no rewards

[foggy heron]

play and find out 🙏 probably a better question for #h2-discussion

[cold meteor]

but gets you closer to boss fight

[valid wren]

Can we discuss non-spoilery merch ideas that we're looking forward to here? I searched through here and some people mentioned tarot cards a few months ago. I think something that may be more in theme would be an Oracle of the Moon deck, which has fewer cards. I have Critical Role's Mollymauk's & Jester's Oracle deck, I don't know if we can post links, but it's gorgeous.

[fringe wyvern]

It’s random (except for room before boss fight) but all those rooms give no rewards

[hot quail]

I don't wanna be spoiled for postgame stuff since ||i havent killed chronos||

[hot quail]

Does this mean I can go on ||infinitely|| if I just keep avoiding those?

[cold meteor]

idk

[fringe wyvern]

Idk, I usually rush to ||Chronos||

[hot quail]

because it feels like a no-brainer to me. Obviously I want ||3 more pomegranates over nothing and my deadline to power up approaching||

[hot quail]

WHY?! Don't you want more power to face him with?!

[fringe wyvern]

Except for a certain room that gives you ||a headstart/advantage||

[peak mural]

It's a risk, going for extra buffs might help but you might also lose too much health in the process

Though tbh, I'm not finding most of the zone 4 enemies to be especially difficult

[fringe wyvern]

I usually see that level as like a final test before the boss fight

[foggy heron]

@cold meteor hi, that was a spoiler. Everything past Erebus needs to be marked with || spoiler tags.||

[cold meteor]

oops sorry'

[hot quail]

im still so confused though why do people rush to ||chronos|| instead of powering up?

seems like you'd want to get your build online online online ONLINE before facing the final boss

[kindred blade]

the time i got to zone 4 boss i had no exit choices. every room had 1 exit.

[solar fractal]

you can send links and they will embed as images, links are allowed (within reason)

[cold meteor]

did you delete it? I'm was going to try to correct it? not being spiteful or anything just curious

[foggy heron]

I did, due to the pace of chat I tend to delete first ask questions later.

in the time it takes someone to edit a post someone else may have already been spoiled!

[fringe wyvern]

First time I got there I went to a non numbered room for a boon and died

[peak mural]

Like I said, going straight there means less chance that you lose all your health before you get there

[fringe wyvern]

That

[peak mural]

Same as in the first game, really

[ionic nova]

||The more rooms you do in Tartarus, the more enemies will spawn in later rooms. Risk vs reward, plus you may not need the extra power if you’re already strong enough||

[peak mural]

Except less random

[fringe wyvern]

You already have enough stuff from the other zones

[fringe wyvern]

Didn’t know that

[peak mural]

Yeah it was the same in Styx, by that point I usually don't really need any more boons, it's unlikely to be something that makes much difference

[fringe wyvern]

I never finished hades 1

I only got to zone 2 and gave up because I did not understood roguelikes at the time

[left yew]

anyone else kinda disappointed by the weapon selection? only a few of them feel good to use imo

[bronze totem]

||the_treasury||

[vocal tree]

I enjoy the starting one. The others feel really clunky in different ways to me.

[left yew]

i like the starter and the axe. outside of that tho they kinda stink

[small shale]

I feel like the different weapons have a rather higher learning curve than H1 weapons, and I kinda like it

[eternal sand]

With me I kind of like the Torches ngl

[small shale]

Like I’m not the best with the starter staff or the flames, but I do really good with the twin blades and the axe

[left yew]

i wish the torches did more damage. they hit like noodles

also, are there no weapon aspects like in the first game yet?

[lilac ether]

i heard there are but idk

[timid egret]

omg hello hades no spoilers

[timid egret]

same tbh like ik alot of people don't let them but I just think they're rlly cool conceptually and design wise so I fw it

[fading ivy]

so happy there's a no spoiler channel now, bcs I've gotten spoiled multiple things already😭

[timid egret]

I'm also just like assuming supergiant is gonna tweak them anyways so I'm not like really worrying

[short haven]

||Learned this the hard way 😭 some of those boons were common and bad selection locked behind a boss fight||

[hot quail]

Are there enough psyche upgrades in the game to be able to have ALL the tarot at once?

[timid egret]

idk whats gonna be my favorite yet, all of the weapons are so cool so far and I canNOT wait to play oh my god I love this game

[timid egret]

^^?!

[fringe wyvern]

Chief that would essentially just be Easy mode

[left yew]

tbf you would need a lot of psyche

[grizzled moat]

yeah i doubt it, im pretty sure thats the point of the awakening reqs on certain cards - that you have to make a build

[timid egret]

no same 😭 I'm like trying to limit it as much as possible rn I've literally blocked like SEVERAL hades channels lmfao

[bronze totem]

Yeah im pretty sure grasp will never be enough to max out arcana

[frigid adder]

Thanks for joining the new channel, folks!

[timid egret]

yeah thats fair, I really really like that tbh its a cool system

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[left yew]

the mod has arrived

[bronze totem]

That aint a mod thats a dev lmao

[frigid adder]

No mod here, just us dev

[fading ivy]

Thanks for creating a spoiler free channel, super helpful!:)

[timid egret]

Like oh my god its so cool to me that the upgrade system is thematically a mystical tarot card deck that you shuffle through and selecitvely choose your blessings with thats SO cool ugh

[timid egret]

😍 heyy supergiant ily supergiant

[frigid adder]

Please feel free to send server suggestions to the @upper frost bot if it seems like the spoiler tag community is ready to "move the spoiler line," as it were. Those sorts of things tend to progress eventually. 🤔

[left yew]

weapon that lets you throw tarot cards equipped from your deck when? perhaps?

[fading ivy]

I know, I love how the system is completely different from the first one while still allowing you to just kind of craft together whatever playstyle you like!

[timid egret]

maybe 🧐

[grizzled moat]

they really got the magickal stuff right

[timid egret]

I haven't spoiled myself on like all the weapons idk if they're all in early access yet but I saw the trailer

[hot quail]

[Final boss] 😄 this could be good

[timid egret]

genuinely!! like every time there's a new thing I go like excitedly ballistic, like her primary weapon is literally a witch's staff as opposed to zagreus' more traditional sword

[grizzled moat]

not a spoiler (its on the intro screen when you launch the game) - there is another weapon that will be later released, but the others are in

[left yew]

get his ass

[timid egret]

mhm!

[timid egret]

I also love how its called "magick" and not just magic or mana idk it just adds a cool vibe to it lol

[grizzled moat]

always gotta be that or [keepsake] ||the health reducing knuckles|| for me given i almost never die before that fight

[ionic nova]

Me with every reference/nod/callback to the first game I’ve seen so far

[grizzled moat]

'magick' is the more accepted term in actual witchcraft practices

[timid egret]

interesting 🧐

[timid egret]

haha

[grizzled moat]

still have yet to get the win though, i need my arcana up

[wraith kernel]

Supergiant devs 🫶

[ionic nova]

There’s one in particular I just had to pause and take a lap for, was so awesome to see

[grizzled moat]

i find myself forgetting we are in early access with the levels of polish (i may be an outlier but i really like the different gameplay style encouraged by the new boons and abilities)

[wraith kernel]

Honestly!

It's a fantastic game already! There are a few issues sure, but damn I love it.

[ionic nova]

I never played the original when it was in EA, but I’m blown away by just how much there is for the launch

[grizzled moat]

i die a little bit every time i see someone complaining about the newer abilities lacking power, get your meta progression up a bit and abuse your cast and watch everything past the second biome be melted

[grizzled moat]

me too, there is a significant amount more content than most 1.0 releases of even the highest budgeted games

[alternate pathway spoilers] ||i was astonished figuring out you gain the ability to go up as well||

[wraith kernel]

Once again, Supergiant devs 🫶

They're so talented and dedicated and amazing.

[ionic nova]

||Having a full lower section, and half of an upper section blew me away too||

[true jasper]

Got my first victory, this game is really good

[timid egret]

I love the new gameplay style!! I literally love it to death oh my god its so cool how its so similar and also VERY different, like how I love the cast alot particularly and how it changes things

don't even get me started on the character design either like..

SO mf perfect

[warped osprey]

yea.. i don't think i've played enough yet to have found which combinations really work etc. so i can't even begin to judge which boons might be 'not viable'

[timid egret]

lmfaoo, thats so real

[grizzled moat]

i think the reason many people are bothered by the pacing is because its just slower than the original game, i would argue it takes a few more runs to build up meta than in hades 1

but once you get there i think mel is much stronger than zag actually

[timid egret]

oh I didn't even know there were like complaints lol

[nocturne wyvern]

yet it kinda feels like story progresses somewhat quicker

[ionic nova]

There are a lot more resources to keep track of, I can see that being a complaint

[warped osprey]

the fights feel a bit slower, yea.. rarely anything needed charging in the original

[nocturne wyvern]

unless it's just gonna be bigger overall, which it might

[true jasper]

it's more strategic other than just blasting your way imo

i like it way more than the dash spam from hades 1

[grizzled moat]

i think thats more of a skill thing tbh, the story seems to progress faster because the reflex and understanding from hades 1 carries over and most people progress faster - also, its likely in part due to the story being incomplete, there is a few mentions on the early access page about that

[warped osprey]

i like that description, yea

[grizzled moat]

100% i feel like i was going into a trance with zagreus and now im actually really playing

[timid egret]

well its like, supposed to feel diff its a new character, and she's like literally a witch too lol I feel like it makes sense that her fighting style is a bit more slow and strategic compared to zagreus who is most def just a hardy "blast your way through" warrior type

and thats like good lol I love their differences, I've been loving the fan art of them together

[grizzled moat]

i think its also much more fitting to her demeanour as a person, shes essentially a foil to zag

[timid egret]

mhm! thats exactly how I saw it too

esp with her taking after persephone's features a bit more it looks like (at least to me)

[lyric bronze]

Safe from spoilers here 😌

[true jasper]

I already have 20 hours under my belt oh no

[timid egret]

mainly bc of the blonde(?) hair lol

[timid egret]

lovely

[grizzled moat]

every time i look at my playtime i get a little more disappointed in myself... i called out of work for this

[mild flower]

I have exams but I’ve been spending the whole day and night playing 💀 this one is just as addicting as the first one if not even more

[true jasper]

I've been grinding mostly that I couldn't get spoiled, and there's a lot to spoil ahahah

[true jasper]

true.

[edgy isle]

tfw you came into early access expecting 3 regions, maybe a final boss with unpolished assets and you get more content than hades 1

[true jasper]

YES

exactly

[simple plover]

This is the first game I've actually been playing non stop and actually been addicted to in like 2 years

[lyric bronze]

SG goes hard and does not miss

[sinful walrus]

||Nemesis biting the curb in 4k caught on camera||

[cold skiff]

what does poseidon consider a "minor reward"? ive seen him double centaur hearts and now a selene hex upgrade lul

[lyric bronze]

i think the tooltip tells you, but like... bones, ashe,grasp, maybe something else

[vagrant galleon]

I didn't find a way to leave this feedback but: I'm a little dissapointed in thes hades 2 community - After trying to stay spoiler free in anticipation of the full release, I was eventually spoiled on a minor character. Its not a huge deal, but I'm sure its just the first to come. I know its not something the hades community can realistiically control, so I'm not blaming anyone, but I just feel as if its a shame that my decision to opt into early access doesn't come from my love of the studio or the community or the game, but rather is motiviated by the desire not to be further spoiled on aspects of the game.

I mention this mainly because I want this perspective to be heard as others could share the same sentiment

[lilac ether]

well yeah i got spoiled by a lot of trolls to but at this point there's nothing anyone can do

those kinds of people will always exist. unfortunately there's only so much you can avoid spoilers in a world where ppl crave for attention and ruining the fun for others is the way they found to do so

[vagrant galleon]

yeah, I know I'm not looking for recompense, just think its unfortunate. I do think its a consideration for the future as supergiant gets more and more well known if they continue going down the early access route

[lavish ridge]

i mean that will always happen with games

[vagrant galleon]

For the record I participated in the hades 1 EA and had a great time

[lavish ridge]

if you don´t play them at release and get on social media you risk yourself on getting spoiled

[lilac ether]

i don't think supergiant is concerned with this because the gains of a game being in early access are much bigger than a couple of trolls spoiling a game

[sinful walrus]

so basically in the epilogue what happens is

[vagrant galleon]

I'm not saying not to do EA, but they absolutely should be concerned with this

[lavish ridge]

but how would you control it

[vagrant galleon]

And its not like they can't take 0 action or learn from this experience

[lavish ridge]

if you were supergiant

[green gorge]

Well in the server they do care, there's a reason this channel exists

[vagrant galleon]

I think trying to control it isn't the right mindset, but I think including in the pop up being "if you're a content creator, please try to be considerate of your fellow players" - things like that

[lilac ether]

well that goes without saying doesn't it

[lavish ridge]

basically

[royal pumice]

For me, my biggest obstacle in avoiding spoilers is the youtube algorithm

[lilac ether]

telling people to not do it isn't gonna change much. trolls are gonna spoil the game anyway

[vagrant galleon]

This isn't the right mindset either. Being a leader and speaking up about it influences the community

[lilac ether]

look i get what you're saying but i think it's not that deep

[vagrant galleon]

They will for some, but I wasn't spoiled by trolls, I was spoiled by people being careless

[lavish ridge]

do people really need a "don´t spoil things" sign to... not spoil things?

[green gorge]

Yes

[glacial finch]

factually untrue when this channel exists

[vagrant galleon]

The simple truth is that having a reminder makes it less likely

[sinful walrus]

Its not like its 100% anyones fault but you probably did need to expect it being in the server reading the chat. Very hard to not get spoiled in a big release title like this. For example, I got spoiled by Moist Critikals thumbnail for his review on the game, I had no idea what the third boss was and found out from his thumbnail

[stiff cedar]

I'm having a huge amount of fun so far, I can't believe how much content I keep uncovering, as a Tech Designer that will almost certainly have people at work referencing Hades 2 as an excellent example of everything I love and hate you all SG ❤️

[royal pumice]

oh that just sucks

[vagrant galleon]

I'm in here reading the chat because I was spoiled

[lilac ether]

this is a videogame. i get pissed about spoilers as much as the next person but it isn't that big of a deal, devs shouldn't be bothered because a couple of people they don't control are being trolls

[lavish ridge]

but were you spoiled like in yt by a friend or mutual orrrrr

[vagrant galleon]

you aren't listening

[lilac ether]

and as they mentioned up there, if you take it that seriously, I'd just avoid hades discussion

[sinful walrus]

how did you get spoiled tho

[vagrant galleon]

same as you hushy, or similar enough

[green gorge]

Appreciate y'all but can we move on to a differant topic please. Thanks

[frigid adder]

I am sorry, but we are not able to prevent carelessness around spoilers, no matter how many times or where we will post reminders. While we do our best to make sure spoiling doesn't happen here (like the policy of not allowing data-mined content sharing), we aren't able to influence individuals in that way. As a studio, we're going to do our best to maintain this space, but that's all we can try to maintain reasonably.

[sinful walrus]

We haven't unlocked this chat dialogue in the cauldron yet guys

[lilac ether]

yeah enough said already i suppose

[frigid adder]

For what it's worth, I was actually spoiled on our own game content for an NPC I hadn't seen, during the technical test data mining.

[acoustic folio]

YouTubers just LOVE putting spoilers In their titles and thumbnails huh

[sinful walrus]

that'll be 500 G-Apples

[frigid adder]

So any level of creator can understand the struggle.

[acoustic folio]

my broke ass won’t be able to get the game for another couple weeks and I already know all the bosses 💀

[lilac ether]

okay getting spoiled on your own game has to be one of the most random things that can happen to a developer 😭

[vagrant galleon]

yeah, I'm not saying to catch all cases,but if supergiant included in their early acces blurb that pops up something like "if you're a content creator, please be mindful of people etc" I think people like moistcritical would get some heat for careless spoiling - actually idk if this is already in the early access blurb

[royal pumice]

I wish youtube allowed for filtering tags/words

[fading ivy]

oh wow😭 I guess it does really happen to everyone I did not expect this

[frigid adder]

It was very unexpected! Kind of just had to shake it off.

[lilac ether]

heyyy, how far are you in the game

i've ||reached chronos but haven't managed to kill him||

[vagrant galleon]

LOL

[lilac ether]

lmao it's all good

[vagrant galleon]

I was trying to figure out if that doesn't count as a spoiler tag

[fading ivy]

hiyaa!! I managed to ||reach tartarus, but died before reaching Chronos|| (spoilers for the 4th area)
But I'm in the third area right now, so maybe I can get further!!

[lilac ether]

happened so much we kind of get crazy about it

[fading ivy]

Having a really strong run with my omega attack! :D

[sinful walrus]

||I've been to chronos twice, first run he killed me in a literal 6 seconds||

[fading ivy]

oh wow, that's crazy😭

[wanton nebula]

i think i already died to him like 7 or 8 times

[sinful walrus]

Ofc im doing it all blind so im trying to learn their movesets

[lilac ether]

yeah I'm having difficulty around that area too, but I've unlocked ||the surface and now I'm able to go there without dying super fast|| (upstairs spoilers)

[lilac ether]

i like your nickname, sounds like we have a lot of brazilians around here

[wanton nebula]

🫡

[lilac ether]

shame the game's kind of expensive around here but that's inflation for ya 😭

[royal pumice]

I paused making progression to try out the other weapons, accidentally unlocked a bunch of stuff on the way

[wanton nebula]

90 bucks is pretty expensive for sure

[fading ivy]

I've only reached it once before so let's hope I reach it this time and don't have as much trouble! :D

[lavish ridge]

|| posted it in builds and combat, but man he beat my ass in no time first time. and second he beat me at 300 health plus a revive. i got to him in a little amount of runs i would say, so it feels like a major roadblock now lmao ||

[sinful walrus]

favorite weapon so far? I love the axe so much

[lilac ether]

yeah, still it's not as insane as most triple A games that reached 350 bucks already

[fading ivy]

I'm still ||collecting the ingredients for the incantation to go upstairs without dying|| (upstairs spoilers)

[wanton nebula]

for sure

[lilac ether]

I wonder if there are some ||new characters|| in that place. excited to find out

[wanton nebula]

i'm only going there when i kill the last boos

[lilac ether]

ohh yeah but don't worry it's not that difficult

[wanton nebula]

maybe it's stupid

[fading ivy]

I wouldn't be surprised yeah, I do love how you can ||choose if you go to the fight immediately or take detours, really cool!|| (area 4 spoilers)

[royal pumice]

I usually like ranged weapons but the daggers are just way too fun, I imagine the torch with a good mana restoration boon and some upgraded dmg will be super fun

[fading ivy]

yeahhh, when I went there the first time, I only got hit by ||the dmg from being bound to the underworld|| so it didn't seem too bad

[sick perch]

i understand its all probably placeholder but what are the letters supposed to mean on all the upgrades and keepsake art lol

[lilac ether]

oh yeah and something similar happens in the third area, ||where you get lots of enemies but also lots of boons.||

[royal pumice]

The axe was surprisingly fun, just have to learn the timing for the block

[lilac ether]

it's just in alphabetical order

[sick perch]

oh wait im dumb how did i not see that

[fading ivy]

yeahhh indeed, I do absolutely love the third area and it's boss, probably my favourites so far!

[fading ivy]

honestly for me probably the one you get first, I think it's called the staff, keep forgetting the name, sorry!

[lavish ridge]

its the one im using the most, i love being able to zone and the omega attack is pretty good, specially with hammer upgrades

[fading ivy]

yeahh, currently having a run where my hammer does the omega attack twice and It's so damn strong rn omg 😭

[lilac ether]

man ||Odysseus is so obviously attracted to Melinoé it's cute|| (crossroads interaction spoilers)

[lavish ridge]

i want to unlock hammer but for now im having fun experimenting with cards

[sinful walrus]

||Homer||is a baddie

[royal pumice]

Are Hades 1 mechanics considered spoilers? No right? like nectar?

[cosmic walrus]

anyone get this weird freezing when trying to enter rooms that lasts for about 10-20 seconds? A background of Olympus even pops up randomly sometimes.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just my computer, but thought I'd check in on that.

[royal pumice]

sounds like a bug

[lilac ether]

only if it's past erebus or reveals something story sensitive i imagine

[royal pumice]

given how rare nectar is I'd tag it /j

[fading ivy]

yesssss, I beat the third boss just now on my third run!!!

My cast is so strong, damn😭

[cosmic walrus]

it probably is. my main concern is that it might be unique to my PC in particular.

[lilac ether]

I've said the word spoiler so many times today i'm actually sick of it 😭

[fading ivy]

lmaoooo, understandable😭

[royal pumice]

I'm still trying to give one nectar to everyone Area 3 special event ||I don't remember if I gave one to Echo or not|| I don't think I did though

[true jasper]

i'm missing like 3 keepsakes too

2 gods and one event

[royal pumice]

I only did 2 crossroads keepsakes since gods have more rng

[true jasper]

i so rarely see aphrodite and ||hestia|| it's really weird

and then the one event one in ||the surface first level, some witch i believe||

[fading ivy]

just saw the 4th area's person to encounter, this is so cool!!!!

[true jasper]

oh which one is that again? ||hades?||

[fading ivy]

yessss!!!

[royal pumice]

this makes me want to get back to playing lmao

[true jasper]

that one is so cool yep

[true jasper]

How many hours do you have so far?

[lavish ridge]

||i got to it last run, it was amazinggggg. hope i can pet cerberus with enough runs 😦 ||

[fading ivy]

Yeahhhh, we definitely will be able to I think, super cool!!!

[true jasper]

i want to give him a nectar

i don't think you can yet

[royal pumice]

On run 22, I've only (upstairs, vague spoilers) ||gotten to the final boss of the underworld-not beaten, and the second boss in the surface world||

[true jasper]

cool, just got my first victory on run 31 i believe

[royal pumice]

Upstairs ||I knew we'd see Hera but I was still shocked to find yet another new god, I like her curse boon ||

[bold wigeon]

||i thought nemesis made me angry but no, Eris exist, HOLY MOLY||

[fading ivy]

nooo, just died to ||Chronos, reached him for the first time just now and got him to about 1/4 of his health|| (final boss spoilers)

[lilac ether]

oh yeah it's very difficult, ||he one-shotted me and i lost like 9999 health 😭||

[timid egret]

do we know if the sprite for the umbral flames attack is staying like that?

idk if its just me or something but the round like balloon looking thingies makes it feel a little silly idk, when its such a cool weapon

[fading ivy]

oh god😭 ||I feel like if I get an equally as strong build, I could do it next time, I was just getting used to the attack pattern a bit ig, but yeah, I got recked by him😭||

[timid egret]

when it could just be more tame fire that pairs nicely with the special visually

😭 but I'm also not a game designer idk what the intention was lol

[slow rampart]

hi. does the early access portion extend past the technical test?

[lilac ether]

oh yeah waaaaay past that

[chrome adder]

to say yes is an understatement

[slow rampart]

very nice

[lilac ether]

technical test isn't even the tip of it

[slow rampart]

thank you for letting me know

[grizzled moat]

theres more stuff than in hades 1 i believe

[woven osprey]

can confirm

[stiff hawk]

there is a solid 40-60 hours of content right now 🙂

(if your good at the game xD)

[slow rampart]

: o

[bitter obsidian]

im having so much fun with hades ii and its so cool to see the sketches for characters pop up ive never played an early access game before seeing all the like steps actually in game is so interesting

[short haven]

And more if you’re not!!

[jovial reef]

surely

[royal pumice]

To be certain (fishing pole) ||fishes only exist to be sold for bones right?||

[hallow arrow]

How much content is there after your first clear?

[ashen agate]

Death to Chronos

[pearl cipher]

hey chat how far does the early access go? like until you beat the first boss or?

[worldly pulsar]

We have final boss and more

[warped osprey]

if you're worried about not getting your money's worth from the game in it's current state - go buy it, you shall not be disappointed

[fossil pendant]

final boss and then some

[pearl cipher]

What The Helllllll

[late abyss]

I believe early access has more content than v1.0 of hades 1

according to an faq post

[pearl cipher]

devs are straight up Liars this is not no goddamn Early Access Beta😭

[timid dragon]

definitly

[glacial finch]

they never said there was a beta for early access.

[stiff hawk]

anyone knows how to get the centaur's thing from charon's well, I'm only missing this one

[timid dragon]

be lucky

[ashen agate]

I hope you are all having a great night!

[fossil pendant]

Yeah pretty much

Most of the early access jank is like, placeholder stuff and UI

[lilac ether]

yeah this feels like the finished game already, which is funny cause it's only the beginning

[fossil pendant]

Gameplaywise its basically more then hades 1.0

I'd assume by the end of early access hades 2 would be hades but double

[lilac ether]

and ironically, it already is

[fossil pendant]

eh right now its like hades 150%

[stiff hawk]

i'm curious to see what happens once you're testament 30/30

[fossil pendant]

||Would assume we'd get 4 areas in olympus/surface and a final boss for that area too||

[fossil pendant]

Idk how to theme this spoiler

[glacial finch]

location spoiler? 🤔

[fossil pendant]

yeah ig

[cosmic walrus]

Whoever cleared this game on 14 runs is absolutely insane.

I was on 11 runs before I could even beat the second boss. And I would try to replicate that clear on 14 runs, just to miserably fail lol.

[lilac ether]

(hecate crossroads interaction spoiler) ||finally saw her face 😭 she has green hair omg||

[fading ivy]

I have such an op build right now it's insane omg😭

[green gorge]

@lavish storm that's a spoiler please either use spoiler tags or post in either #h2-discussion or #h2-story-discussion

[lavish storm]

I can't use pictures in either of those 😩

[lilac ether]

however you can hide your pictures but you shared it untagged

[green gorge]

Use something like imgur or a personal discord server

[lilac ether]

i just did an build where i kept spinning my axe in loop 😭 i call it the Darius build

[glacial finch]

hey i know that reference

[fading ivy]

I'm currently having one where I just spam ths omega attack on the twin blades which deals +400% dmg and then have a very powerful boon on it😭

2 shotting most stuff, it's crazy

[lilac ether]

oh yeah and i also used one where you shot two projectiles of the spear's special attack at once so it did insane damage

sometimes you just find this really broken build

[lilac ether]

i call it a spear because I'm playing on portuguese so idk how to actually call it 😭

[fading ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237906966114861106/1237906979108683776/image.png?ex=663d5a37&is=663c08b7&hm=947a57fd1e02047599707ce9b9a53fa5b488a2c134453e14e10e609350f59578&
yeahh, currently have this on my attack LMAO

[eager wraith]

Saw that a lot of people were discussing or asking about the amount of content in the game currently, which is completely understandable! But I think it's being sliiiiightly misrepresented and I wanna encourage a different perspective, because there is both a lot in the game you can do and definitely a lot to come.

I would consider Hades 2 as it currently is to be a really open playtest. You're getting a game that has most of its bones, the structure of things, but not all of its content, and not to the finest it'll be refined. The game is completable, but not complete, if that makes sense.

For example, unless I'm wrong (Do correct me!), there are currently fewer gods than in Hades 1. (Which I think is very important to those asking about content, that variety might matter a lot if someone is looking for a complete-feeling experience. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned, so maybe I'm misinformed!) Which, to clarify, is completely understandable, since the current boons need playtester feedback, and the rest will need more time, but it's important to know I think!

I think it's best to view the current release as not equal to Hades 1 yet, (content-wise it may be nearing so, yes! but,) it's set new standards for itself that it needs more time to reach, the early access is an invitation to help it do so to the best of its ability

[fading ivy]

ohhh, you mean like the staff thingie?

[lilac ether]

yeahh the starting weapon

[fading ivy]

ohhh yeah, love that one sm!!

[lilac ether]

lmaooooooo that's insane

[fading ivy]

Time for the final boss fight, let's hope I win! :D

[lilac ether]

his boons are my favorite so far, the sound is so satisfying

[fading ivy]

that plus I have an attack which deals 400% dmg and when I do that 3 times I can do ||selene's slow boon|| and rinse and repeat, it's beautiful😭

[fading ivy]

Yeah, same here!! They sound & feel so good to play with!

[lilac ether]

I feel like you just broke the game 😭 that sounds like insane damage

[true jasper]

I believe there are more olympians in Hades 2 than 1

Hades 1 has 9 and atm we have like 10

+1 to both if u count ||chaos||

[glacial lodge]

Please spoiler tag anything post-Erebus, this is the no spoilers channel

[green gorge]

Also please report any bugs you find by pressing

[fading ivy]

I was genuinely one shotting nearly every enemy but I still died to ||Chronos||😔, it was very close though (final boss spoiler)

[green gorge]

You almost got there, which means you can do it again

[lilac ether]

yeahh that's when the game spikes. same for me, I'm trying ||to beat the surface, but Eris demolished me, she's so strong|| (upstairs spoilers)

[worldly pulsar]

||curses and blessings can be combined in any number of ways||

[stiff hawk]

ok but still it'll be highligted for me to pick right? The curses are but I feel the blessing aren't

[fading ivy]

Heck yeah, was my second time there, hopefully I can do it next time!^^

[worldly pulsar]

Idk you couldve just randomly picked one type more than the other

[fading ivy]

I still haven't gotten ||the incantation|| for that so I have to wait a little, but I'm so excited to see it though!!

[lilac ether]

good luck!! that's by far my favorite part of the game so far, it's SO fun

[fading ivy]

Looking forward to it so so much!!!

still need the ||plants|| and then I can get ||the incantation||!

[lilac ether]

i obviously won't spoil for you how to get it but it's easier than it looks!! just keep playing and you'll get it

[green gorge]

Chaos uses they/them pronouns btw

[fading ivy]

yeahhh, I think I know how to get them, just missing ||n shades||I think they're called, just planted them I think!

[lilac ether]

oh yeah you're already on the right path then, good luck when you finally unlock it

[true jasper]

she is really difficult

[fading ivy]

thank you thank you^^

[true jasper]

had like 6 tries and only beat her once

[lilac ether]

she is, ||specially because of the +200% damage||

[true jasper]

oh wait till it goes to ||500%||

[lilac ether]

WHAT

[true jasper]

😭

[lilac ether]

mannnn this is gonna be a pain

[eager wraith]

I think I've found where my misconception came from, but it raises an interesting point in that it felt to me like there were fewer gods currently in current Hades 2 even though that's not really the full picture
In Hades 1 there was ||Zeus, Athena, Dionysus, Ares, Artemis, Demeter, Poseidon, Aphrodite, and separately because his mechanics differ (no duos, and separate from god pool, etc.), Hermes and Chaos (8 main and 2 auxiliary)||
Currently, Hades 2 has ||Zeus, Demeter, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Apollo, Hestia, Hephaestus, and separely, Artemis, Hermes, Chaos, and Selene (7 main and 4 auxiliary)|| which in terms of the main cast isn't a lot less, and is in some ways more, true. I think my misunderstanding has come from the fact that ||Apollo, Hephasteus, and Poseidon|| haven't shown up nearly as much as the others just out of sheer luck, there being seemingly fewer secondary boons to each god, getting slightly fewer boon opportunities, and the lack of previously present ||Dionysus, Ares, and Athena|| (Which to me mentally presents a deficit, because ((I think)) they are set to be re-implemented later on in development, and with them the combinations will grow exponentially)

[true jasper]

I Find it unlikely they will be coming back but I sure hope so

[eager wraith]

I sure hope so too, they feel missing

[ebon birch]

Keep playing you might discover some more 😉

[copper sequoia]

Reading this channel is like reading a top secret CIA document

[true jasper]

They are mentioned in the game, so there's hope. ||Someone said something about imagining to be God of War Ares in a time where Chronos is at war with the olympians.||

[true jasper]

Gods? No you wont

Wait did you mention ||Hera||?

you missed her

[eager wraith]

I did not, and it's exciting that I didn't because I truly haven't discovered her yet

[true jasper]

I've probably seen ||Hestia|| like 4 times in the 35 runs i've done

which is a shame

i really like the effect she gives

i've yet to gift her a nectar even

[eager wraith]

Very interesting and good to know (Even more incentive to keep exploring!)
Above all I just hope ||Dionysus Ares and Athena return|| as the game develops further

[plucky harness]

bruh im at 30 runs and i just keep dying at the second boss. i have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing. I feel absolutely stupid :c

[cosmic walrus]

This game's second boss is harder than the last installment's second boss. A few attack patterns being thrown at you + they're accurate + some are guaranteed to hit if you dash too much.

still trying to beat it.

[plucky harness]

the dodging feels so weird in this. am i supposed to be sprinting more than dodging? i wouldn't be frustrated if i felt like i was learning every run. but i just die and have no clue why

[hallow arrow]

Try focusing on one at a time. I like going for the ||drummer|| first because they dont move and you can spam omega casts there. Makes it pretty easy

[warped vine]

It might just be my computer, but the running feels a bit... slippy? Like there's a thin layer of ice, if that makes sense.

[plucky harness]

oh yeah, i just hit whichever one is not surrounded by red aoes

[true jasper]

there are also barrels on the sides which deal about 500 damage each that can easily hurt ||the dashing guitar/bass player||

[hallow arrow]

I think the ||dummer|| makes the aoes so if you take care of them first, you might be able to deal with the rest

[empty crater]

and theyre stationary!

[plucky harness]

i'll try - just getting demotivated hearing people beat the game already and here i am struggling at the second boss. yeah its irrational xD

[true jasper]

don't worry

are you upgrading stuff?

[hallow arrow]

Dont worry about it. A lot of people here have likely put hours and hours in hades 1. To others, the gameplay just clicked. Take your time with it and enjoy the game

[plucky harness]

yup

[empty crater]

the sprint takes getting used to as well, and it’s not a favorite of mine but it is fun still to learn what works in the game

[true jasper]

i personally like the non-spammy dash a lot more

[eager wraith]

Even though I've progressed past them before the second boss is still quite tough and demands a lot of focus. The game overall is a lot more mechanically complex, but I find that it makes the feeling of finally conquering the gauntlet of attacks to be very satisfying

[solemn token]

Hmm

[plucky harness]

i honestly cant tell when i need to dodge vs sprint

[true jasper]

i rarely sprint

[eager wraith]

If it helps, I think of the dodge similarly to how you would think of a parry

[true jasper]

don't like holding down the button

[eager wraith]

Time it roughly to the onset of damage (or past a projectile), and you'll be invulnerable through it

Sprinting has no such invulnerability, so is more for positioning ||(or sprint boons!)||

Basically you dodge through, but sprint around (Sounds a little silly, but I hope it helps somewhat to frame the idea )

[stuck siren]

I find that I do most of my damage at the very beginning when everybody is grouped up together

the amount of aoe at your disposal (omega casts, boon effects, weapon attack patterns) helps a lot to basically do double or even triple dmg

[plucky harness]

i hit like a wet noodle, so maybe i should pick better boons lol

[stuck siren]

if you have trouble with dmg, there's some arcana cards that help ||one of them boosts your attack and special dmg by 30% if your magick is less than 100%, so basically all the time||

[worldly pulsar]

Some ppl have hundreds of hours in the first game

[true jasper]

I already have more hours in Hades 2 than i have in Hades 1

[oak jasper]

If I play the early access, will I keep my progression when the full game releases ?

[true jasper]

Their plan is to have progress carry over.

So yes

[grizzled moat]

somehow i managed on 18

[grizzled moat]

yes, but they explicitly state its not super heavily recommended because progression and story will probably change

[stiff hawk]

you mean "progressing is not recommanded?"

[grizzled moat]

no, its recommended to use a new save on release, sorry for the confusion from my miswording

[stiff hawk]

you're alright 🙂 I almost unlocked everything in EA, won't do it again, glad progress caries over xD

[grizzled moat]

yeah im probably gonna run a new save to just move through the story but theres no way im gonna grind everything out a second time

[eager wraith]

Where have you read this?
I think I'll personally do so as well, but it doesn't sound to me like a statement the devs would make

[grizzled moat]

the early access notes in the main menu

i lied it may be in the steam description somewhere let me check

[iron coyote]

is aphro still the best for core boons in terms of raw damage?

[potent fulcrum]

||can anyone explain how the oath of the unseen works I get its like pact of punishment but what does the bosses mean on the left side||

[potent fulcrum]

for torch posidion is pretty good

[lapis blade]

So far, I use dodge to get out of an imminent attack (like immediate melee), and use sprint to create distance against enemies such as the Wailer or an enemy's homing projectile.

[true jasper]

||you kill the bosses with the corresponding weapon and the amount of fear (basically heat) and you get rewarded||

[iron coyote]

thanks

[true jasper]

no mention of this whatsoever

[potent fulcrum]

||is the reward nightmare thing I assume or N-mare ||

[grizzled moat]

yeah i misremembered as i noted a minute ago, i cannot find it now anywhere so i apologize for the potential misinformation? i know i read it somewhere but since i cannot any longer find the source feel free to treat it as conjecture ( @eager wraith )

[true jasper]

the closest thing is

"Should you play in Early Access, or wait for the full game? For many players, it's a good idea to wait for the complete v1.0 before diving in, as Hades II will grow and improve during Early Access, and the true ending of the story won't be available until then. But, if you like the idea of seeing the game evolve over time, and watching the story unfold more gradually, then Early Access is probably for you!"

[true jasper]

yes.

[potent fulcrum]

k thank you

[grizzled moat]

anyways back to ingame talk, im truly falling in love with combining apollo and zeus on essentially any build, their boons are so well-rounded

[eager wraith]

Often so, but not always! She has an amazing primary attack boon that heavily boosts your damage output, but, it only works on nearby foes, which clashes with the ranged weapons (And depending on which close-ranged weapon you're using, there are other primary attack boons that may synergize better still if applied correctly)

[true jasper]

they are kinda too strong compared to others

[grizzled moat]

it also depends on your weapon given that they are % damage boosts

[potent fulcrum]

ok i barely used this weapon but for ||aspect of circe staff|| what are the best boons and hammers and question about the staff do the omega attacks auto aim or do i have to

[grizzled moat]

those huge percents are a lot, but that coming out of base 70 damage is much more than base 10

[lilac ether]

what's the next installment in the HCU: Hades Cinematic Universe

[grizzled moat]

Hel

[eager wraith]

For sure! On quicker attacks raw damage beats percentages by a mile, similar to Hades 1 but this time with brand new status effects

[grizzled wren]

Transisotr 2. In which we learn that Transist 1 took place entirely inside Zagreus's gameboy

[true jasper]

||it gives you faster omega moves so you could really go any route with that. i see people hyping up the staff special spam but i really like the omega attack with the double-strike hammer.||

[grizzled moat]

i find the status effects a little underwhelming in H2 unfortunately, for example scorch falls off rather quickly due to tick timing without supportive boons that end up reducing the dps

[lilac ether]

then Bastion was just a really weird dream Zag had about a boy with a big ol' hammer

[eager wraith]

(I'm particularly loving Scorch, after the like almost 15 runs it took to understand the description because it didn't include the words 'at a rate of' )

[grizzled moat]

although on the other hand im actually rather fond of the zeus delayed damage stuff that seems less popular, perhaps im just odd overall

[eager wraith]

I don't quite understand that effect even till now, I'm not sure if it activates at overall damage or specifically damage from the affected boon

[true jasper]

anyone else think the keepsake ||aromatic phial|| is really good? i like to use it level 2-3 if i'm low hp and it just makes ||a random common boon of mine heroic? and i can just switch it away next time?||

[grizzled moat]

its overall damage for sure, i was running it on [weapon] ||axe|| with a few hammers and it was triggering nearly every hit

[eager wraith]

oh wow i need to try that lmao

[grizzled moat]

if im low on health or have an important ||boon thats too low in rarity|| i usually pop it on and then use the fountain its crazy

[true jasper]

other one is ||evil eye, or whatever the one that gives you more dmg to the enemy that last killed you|| such an interesting concept.

[grizzled moat]

thats great after getting clears as it seems to count the last biome as a death

[eager wraith]

the keepsakes in H2 are overall way more interesting in my opinion, the effects are all so unique

[grizzled moat]

i love them genuinely, even the boring "get god boon" ones are much better with the rarification

[eager wraith]

I was a little confused by the 'is likely' but i'm pretty sure it's still a guarantee

[grizzled moat]

i think they changed it to 'is likely' to reflect story-based guarantees

[eager wraith]

Good point!

[elder bough]

I don’t like that wording

[sullen siren]

I liked in H1 when you had the "guarantee" keepsake but Hermes shows up and says "You were expecting someone else, weren't ya?"

[green gorge]

Also sometimes you would start with a hammer, or if you took a god keepsake into a later biome the first couple of chambers could be blue rewards

[lilac ether]

idk where can I just give positive feedback to them

[green gorge]

#h2-feedback

Read the sticky note thingy for how to get access

[lilac ether]

oh so that's not just for suggestions??

[glacial finch]

positive feedback is still feedback 😃

[lilac ether]

all right thx

[green gorge]

Its explicitly not for suggestions

[royal pumice]

How should we spoiler warn for ||The crystal in the courtyard?||

[green gorge]

Something like ||[courtyard spoilers]|| maybe

[royal pumice]

I tried it and then (Biome 2 Event) ||I got booted to Asphodel with several armored enemies ||

[fickle fable]

where do i get darkness?

[subtle warren]

@fickle fable ||you'll get a cauldron recipe to extract it. it'll be on a new (2nd) tab when opening the cauldron||

[fickle fable]

||i mean like that one item that i need to unlock thanatos aspect||

[ashen cedar]

||Eris is the last boss? Any bosses secret?||

[elder bough]

did the shade tablet thing minigame tell you to hold? are you supposed to hold?

[worldly pulsar]

You hold the buttons that appear on the screen. If they disappear you release them

[elder bough]

i didnt notice it saying to hold is that on me? that was what i was asking

[worldly pulsar]

Oh uh yeah idk if it directly tells you

[teal raptor]

I think it says to hold. I just used it on a run but can't remember

Text might be smaller though

[cosmic walrus]

this 0.90 version of Hades 2 is infinitely more polished and finished than Skull and Bones. Get rekt Ubisoft,

[meager jasper]

I consider it by a landslide the best keepsake in the game, but I also don't have the keepsakes for ||Echo, Hades, and probably a lot of guys I don't even know exist yet||

[vale thistle]

||im almost certain either hades or echo don’t have one, since I’m missing one only and they both have no nectar||

[elder bough]

@left robin generally upvoting your own suggestion doesnt really do anything 😅

[left robin]

I do it because in that way i can read from my last suggestions

Instead of losing where i last read into the suggestion abysm

[elder bough]

i see! that makes sense

@crude cipher for now you can check your keepsake container to see who you've given nectar to

[abstract lava]

||Hades must not then, because I got one from Echo||

[left robin]

I think my biggest problem rn are shields, enemies have way too much health

[vale thistle]

There’s a lot of really good hammers that melt shields

[grizzled wren]

I think the mechanic is the same in both games: the next time it would generate a normal boon from a random normal boon god, the keepsake forces that god to be selected. They say likely instead of normal I guess in case some of the shorter biomes in this one don't roll a normal god boon at all.

[crystal pivot]

Hold up,|| the Sirens have more than one song||? Nice

[glacial finch]

spoiler tags

[crystal pivot]

op my bad 1 sec

[glacial finch]

thank you (:

[crystal pivot]

Oh shoot I thought this was the spoilers thread, my bad, I cant read lol

[left robin]

Yea, but you depend on two things
-Hammer must appear
-Hammer must give the upgrade against shields

In hades 1 shields wasn't this annoying

[left robin]

Yah but first one is insuperable imo

[vale thistle]

There’s also a lot of boons that make you do more damage to shields too just like in hades 1

But Yh igy they feel a bit more tanky

[untold vessel]

Is there a boon library in game? I unlocked the book a while back and I do 1 or 2 Olympians in there but I don't see the boon library

[worldly pulsar]

its an upgrade

[untold vessel]

Oh my gosh, this early access is so big, I feel like I won't be done with this before they make a major update

I have nothing but praises for devs

[abstract lava]

Oh yeah like. The store page said this early access build already has a lot more of A Lot Of Things compared to the full release of Hades 1

[elder bough]

@autumn rock zag didnt start with keepsakes between runs

[lunar path]

How you can charge up your hex and use it?

[elder bough]

i mean biomes

[autumn rock]

Not between runs, but once you have keepsakes you start with them between biomes, no? Or has it just been too long since I played Hades from the very beginning?

[elder bough]

spend mana and hit the hex button

[lunar path]

spend mana is the q attack?

[elder bough]

it's been too long my friend :)

[autumn rock]

Ah! Thank you for the correction, I appreciate it 🙂

[patent harbor]

Once you cut through their shields though, it's super easy to stunlock then to death

[elder bough]

im not sure, it would be in your controls menu

[abstract lava]

Yeah I think a lot of folks are (unintentionally) comparing endgame Zag to starting Mel

[lunar path]

its the special or cast?

[elder bough]

it's the hex

[left robin]

Yea, it doesn't make sense the jump from unkillable to literal candy

[lunar path]

no, I know the button for hex, asking how to spend mana

[autumn rock]

Indeed, first few runs with Zag absolutely are punishingly hard

[abstract lava]

All of your moves have the charged Omega versions. That's how you spend mana

[elder bough]

oh you use charge moves

[lunar path]

okay thanks

[abstract lava]

Yeah I started a Hell Mode save when technical test was announced and. Oh wow

[patent harbor]

Mel also has a much more in depth power growth system which can obscure how powerful you'll eventually become

[autumn rock]

It is very cool, and admittedly also quite overwhelming

[abstract lava]

And hell ignoring the meta-progression aspect, she just has double the moves in her base toolkit. A lot more to learn before you can master her

[patent harbor]

I've been able to keep up with it, but yeah, definitely overwhelming if you weren't expecting/wanting a more complicated system.

I'm very happy with the direction they took, but it definitely can feel like the game really divides casuals from the baseline and the baseline from the hardcore pretty damn quickly

I think the rate for progression for most players will vary dramatically more than in the original game

[autumn rock]

It definitely feels like it will be harder for someone to just pick up and play relatively competently than the first game

I'm not sure that's necessarily a negative, more just a different design direction

[patent harbor]

Yes, I think you're right. Although the story definitely still works really well for a novice

But the gameplay almost demands that you're a veteran

[icy meteor]

But tbh a lot of the game seems to expect you to be familiar with Hades I

So it seems to me that it’s expected to be played as a sequel not a standalone like for example BOTW/TOTK, at least to me

[autumn rock]

Agreed - this feels designed for returners, which is fair enough for a sequel

[olive halo]

How do I get more grasp? I know the green flame currency is supposed to let me but I can't for the life of me figure out how do use it

[bitter obsidian]

i think mels weapons and loadout are harder to use, but i do think that you could pick the game up wo having played hades 1 at least gameplay wise to me

[autumn rock]

Press on the grasp counter on the arcana screen 🙂

[bitter obsidian]

on the arcana alter click on mels icon and if you have enough u can get more grasp for her w the green thing

[abstract lava]

Yeah menu over to Mel's portrait to upgrade Grasp (took me a minute to find it at first too)

[elder bough]

@void wyvern i think adding a feature that breaks parity between controls styles isnt a great idea

keyboard cant input half an A press (shush mario64 speedrunning community)

[void wyvern]

i guess but didnt hades 1 had walk animation if i remember... keyboard players can have a toggle walk option i guess

[elder bough]

im not sure how it could have had multiple movement animations considering you only had one speed (excepting hermes and similar)

[void wyvern]

its just mino thing so i dont mind not having it, but would be cool if it had

[elder bough]

i agree it would be nice but itd disadvantage keyboard players

[bitter obsidian]

why does walk need to be a toggle

[edgy isle]

because KBM can't half tilt their W key

[elder bough]

it's the concept of a strength modifier to tell the game you're trying to hold halfway or some % of the way in a direction on keyboard

which is too strange in my opinion to really be great

[void wyvern]

no, i think i didnt explain it correct... i am saying that its just a toggle thing for only keayboard since keyboard dont have presure keys like controller analogs... and it will be uselss to use walk most of the time, its just to show off or if some content creator want to make a dynamic video or something

[bitter obsidian]

if its for movement purposes i feel like mel already walks slow. im basically sprinting everywhere

ohhhh

[elder bough]

i see what you're saying. i suppose it would be a nice aesthetically-oriented possibility

hold control to move slower or smth

[void wyvern]

yeah yeah, so you know like some people show off in devil may cry vergil walking and killing enemy with not much moment like anime style... kinda like that 😁

[elder bough]

@prime wind you should probably spoiler things in the feedback channel in case people come in there exploring erebus and giving first impressions

[prime wind]

good call, wasn't sure if it was a free for all zone in there

[elder bough]

@shrewd basin hey i think you posted that feedback already? did you replace the other one or smth

@uncut ore you're supposed to separate pieces of feedback so people can vote separately

i wanna vote on just a few of those :3

[uncut ore]

Oops thank you, will do

[stiff hound]

Looking in the feedback chat I’m glad I’m not the only one with issues with the dash lol

[glacial lodge]

@shrewd basin please separate your feedback into one post per individual piece of feedback per the channel guidelines, thank you

[uncut ore]

Yeah haha, it wasn’t sure what was bothering me about the combat until my friend pointed it out but it feels so weird to not have an immediate dash like the first game

[fleet dove]

this might be a stupid question but how to you "prime" an effect or whatever? or is it always passive

[stiff hound]

Especially with the axe. I’ve only used the axe once to be fair so I could just not be used to it but cancelling attacks with dash felt really bad with axe, feels much more unresponsive

[elder bough]

yeah absolutely

[glacial lodge]

@void wyvern same goes for you, please separate each point into its own post per the channel guidelines in #h2-feedback

[elder bough]

@royal bluff please spoiler boss fights :(

minibosses too, especially later in the game

[wooden tree]

That just means that part of your magick is reserved and can’t be used. It happens automatically. It shows as purple on your meter

[fleet dove]

ah okay i thought so but i wanted to make sure i didnt need to activate it somehow. thank you!

[void wyvern]

what you mean, i dont get it... like i just post feedback on feedback

[glacial lodge]

The idea behind the feedback channel is that each post is its own self-contained idea so that when people choose to agree with a 👍 that they are only agreeing to a single concept, not a list of things that they may not all agree with. It also helps the devs see what is resonating with the community more accurately

[stiff hound]

I feel bad for the devs looking through the feedback there are a loooooot of messages lol

[void wyvern]

ok, so like one problem/suggestion at a time... not like a list right? sorry eng is not my 1st language

[glacial lodge]

Correct, thank you for understanding

[elder bough]

I've been trying to figure out why all the spoilers were unspoilered for days 😭 just realized it's a native discord setting and not some client plugin

[void wyvern]

no problem, my bad

[elder bough]

@languid stag if you think something is a spoiler, spoiler it. || spoiler text here || please

id rather have not known what you said

[stiff hawk]

Melinoe is sexy, who agrees?

Reply if you agree that Melinoe is super hot

[cosmic crow]

How? I don't see any notification or options.

[green gorge]

Spoiler tags please

[elder bough]

@raw nimbus split each piece of feedback so people can vote separately

also spoiler things. please.

@modest citrus your cast is designed specifically to beat those guys

[modest citrus]

But how do i get away from them when they zoom at me?

[elder bough]

you put a cast between you and them

[flint vortex]

||how i unlock the frog/cat as familiar? already done the fight with cronos||

[modest citrus]

I try that and when i turn to use it they still hit me

[elder bough]

put it down away from them then they run onto it

[elder bough]

uhhh the moros keepsake killed me even though i clearly had the next room rewards showing and was able to choose them

@hazy umbra i think you can do that later on. not 100% on it though, just seen it mentioned possibly

[hazy umbra]

I have the boons list thing unlocked, I can't pull it up during boon selection

[elder bough]

ohh

[hot quail]

is ||Moros|| or ||Eos|| better for torches

root stalkers are not fun

[solar fractal]

you can report such bugs with F10 in-game

[elder bough]

Somebody mentioned it for steam deck I assumed it was ONLY steam deck lol

[solar fractal]

nope! works on PC too

[hot quail]

vent is crazy

[stiff hawk]

i like ||moros aspect|| better

[blazing tinsel]

Now that my controller is working this is so fun, still haven't beat Hecate yet but getting closer every time

[green gorge]

@stiff hawk spoiler tags please

[stiff hawk]

I keep clicking on a wrong channel omg sorry. I will mute all channels other than #h2-story-discussion #h2-builds-and-combat .

[errant trout]

||I want to pull skellys fake beard off||

💇‍♀️

[runic iris]

how to see more of the developers talking abt Hades 2. I saw the utube livetsream of technical test, read the H2 website. any other source?

[agile siren]

there's the faq here... not a lot, so far. there used to be a ask-supergiant channel here where they did q&a sessions after hades 1. the channel is archived now, so they are probably either planning to do that again or decided it'd be too much with how big h2 got

i really hope we're getting back the ask sgg channel as read only at least i hadn't finished reading it, and it was good as a resource for random story / lore things i 'd wonder about sometimes

[runic iris]

during EA? to keep us in the loop as to what is happenign rn behind the scenes?

[agile siren]

i think it was after the full release, but i wasn't there for h1 ea and i... can't see the channel to check dates🥲

[runic iris]

okk just added lore?

[green gorge]

the q&a's did happen during Hades 1 EA as well, they typically occured after a major update
No idea if that will happen for Hades 2 EA especially considering how immensly the server has grown since then

[runic iris]

I wished they would update the game monthly even if they are smaller updates. it keeps things lively

[agile siren]

also development decision things, questions about the process, other stuff

[runic iris]

wow thats amazing. hope they do these on a monthly basis.

[agile siren]

yeah that's what i thought, with how fast the hades 2 discussion chat moves, a q&a would probably be a mess

[runic iris]

they can use slow mode

[green gorge]

even with slow mode, it would get way too chaotic fast to vett questions imo

[green gorge]

Supergiant will update the game with more content when they think the content is ready ^-^
It's also only been a couple of days since launch, chill a lil bit

[ionic birch]

Got the EA today and I am having such a great time! This is my first EA purchase ever, and I am astounded as to how polished the game is!!

[late abyss]

I belive they also put up an interview on game informer

haven't watched it yet though, not sure if there's spoilers

[limber skiff]

anybody else experience a bug with hestia's fire extinguisher?

it reaches 300 scorch and consumes it but it does no damage

[fading ivy]

Might want to report that in game by clicking f10! :)

[limber skiff]

oh yeah there's a button for that

my bad

[fading ivy]

nah, no worries at all!

[green gorge]

@gentle mountain hi, please seperate out your feedback into seperate posts for each bit of unique feedback. Thanks

[lyric forge]

how do i get ||mandrake||?

[amber karma]

go to third area and bring shovel

[drowsy jackal]

Last time I listened to someone telling me to go somewhere and bring a shovel police started asking me some weird questions lmao

[errant trout]

Early access? More like completley reasonable full priced product already

I was expecting bugs but this things so polished!

[drowsy jackal]

Yeah
Especially seeing how the previous game I was excited turned out like two weeks ago - and that was a full release.
Hades 2 has more polish than the city I live in.
Anyways - any good simple strats and tips for ||the doggo fight?||

Last time I got schwacked so fast Mel couldn’t even finish her intro dialogue

[lilac ether]

honestly? just run

run as fast as you can

[faint robin]

||Wack him in the butt, most of his hitboxes come from the front. You can evade most of his stompy-boy moves by dashing away from whatever paw is raised. Don't stand in the big red circles.
You aren't allowed to play heavy on mashing attacks and reflexively dodging in this game because of how dash works (which i genuinely hate), so don't go too crazy getting yourself stuck in animations when he's done with an attack and getting ready to hit you again.
If Eris was modifying your difficulty, he'll just be an easier fight once she's bugged off too.||

[astral birch]

Sup where i can submit a bug

[drowsy jackal]

Just press f10 in the game and a nice little bug report window will pop up.
You can describe the bug there, give your email address if you want, or don’t
And draw a little smiley face on the screenshot and send it over

[lilac ether]

just had a bug where Melinoé wasn't in frame anymore 😭 i couldn't see her

[drowsy jackal]

More like Melineo
Dodged right outta the frame

[agile siren]

to add to what swordsaint said, ||sprint out of the way of his attacks. if you're not doing that already. it took me almost 20 nights to get the hang of sprinting and not just... dash, slowly🥲

also, use ranged attacks||

[lilac ether]

also, my favorite line in the game;
||Melinoé: Are you okay, Homer?
Homer: No||

[drowsy jackal]

Man - on one hand I’d like to have the sprint on a separate button
On the other, however - there would be no downside to holding it down so I might as well just ducctape it down

[drowsy jackal]

||but you drown all of your fans||
||do you even have any left?||

[wild vector]

can someone send me a screenshot of the graphic settings?

[agile siren]

also, re: that boss fight, i'm not sure about how this works yet but i think there's a new mechanic with types of boons, ||they have an element and water based boons are stronger against best boy maybe? think, like, pokemon?||

[tacit sphinx]

Not quite

They just unlock|| this game's type of duo boon||

[lilac ether]

she's such a savage
||(To Narcissus) You're suffering because you think you're too beautiful? For what's worth, I don't feel attracted to you at all||

[agile siren]

oh. ok. i misunderstood what an npc said about that i guess

[fading ivy]

I love the part in the ||flashback where Young Mel addresses Homer, and he starts going like, uhhhh idk who she is talking to, ahem||, was so funny😭

[lilac ether]

lmaooo that was peak comedy too

[agile siren]

this reminds me i noticed in the chamber of the second region's story npc that ||melinoe has no reflection. think that's an early access too hard to code for now-thing or story-based, because of her association with ghosts and stuff?||

[fading ivy]

I think that might be a code thing, as doing ||reflections is quite hard|| if I'm not mistaking, but who knows, maybe it is linked to story in a way, would be really cool!

[wild vector]

can someone send me a screenshot of the graphic settings?

[green gorge]

@blazing sparrow please report any bugs you find with on your keyboard (or rebind it to an unused controller button). Thanks

[ashen agate]

Death to Chronos

[frail basalt]

And may moonlight guide you

[eternal stump]

Are you able to beat a boss on the first attempt? I got to the third boss and almost beat it but then got hit by a move and got one hit from 30 health

[grizzled gyro]

huge love to Supergiant Games and everyone here for making and supporting Hades II, it is more than amazing

[agile siren]

my favourite phrase is "you are save and welcome here" for how wholesome it is

[agile siren]

technically it's possible but it's completely normal to not make it

[chrome adder]

the third boss does a bunch of damage per hit it’s not scripted

[ornate hill]

||Hey I can't find the name of the ost while fighting Scylla and the sirens... Can someone help me ? Want to hear that all day !!!||

[echo falcon]

||Coral crown||

[fringe wyvern]

Should be on the devs youtube channel

[ornate hill]

Thanks

[ashen agate]

Hey guys

[green gorge]

@stray laurel for issues like the ones you are describing please report them by pressing (or rebinding the key to an unused controller button). Thanks

[ashen agate]

Having fun with the game?

[agile siren]

yes... when i'm not crying because of hades 1 references

[echo falcon]

im loving the new areas

the art and music is just amazing

[wraith moon]

MOOD OMG

[lilac ether]

man i love hades 2

its the first (and probably only) time an early access game is actually my GOTY

[ionic birch]

Yet to beat the arena 1 boss lol

Did unlock the ||axe|| though

[brazen jungle]

Hey Supergiant team: y’all rule. Your early access game is already more polished than many triple-a full releases. You foster an awesome community here. I couldn’t be more excited to watch this game unfold. 🫶

[lilac ether]

dw it isn't a spoiler

if you can unlock it before you leave erebus it ain't spoiling

[ionic birch]

Alright, thank you

[rapid badger]

This game is so powerful it gave me a character I like more than Gup from RoR. (Frinos my beloved)

[fading ivy]

let's goooo, I just beat ||Eris on my first run ever in the overworld (after getting the incantation obviously, but damn this area is so fun!!|| (overworld spoilers)

[lilac ether]

I agree!! still haven't cleared that part but I'm glad you're having as much fun as I did

[fading ivy]

I had a really strong run so that's why I was able to do it first try I think! ||Eris is also not too bad once I got used to her pattern imo!||

But I love how ||they went so much bigger with all the boss fights, it's so cool to have a mix between like same size bosses and then massive ones|| (overworld spoiler I think)

[lilac ether]

||I thought her shots were hard to avoid 😭||

[fading ivy]

Yeahhh, I get that, though I could mostly avoid them by sprinting I think. Also, on a side note, I feel like the bosses are designed perfectly around having a sprint instead of 2 dashes, I really like it!^^

[fading ivy]

Though, once ||you get hit by a singular one of her bombs when she's powered up a bit, you're deadddd😭||

[lilac ether]

that's what i thought, it's pretty much instakill

[lilac ether]

yeah it's amazing because it really feels like Hades 2 is centered around a change of pace in combat. you're not playing the same way as you did in the first

kudos for Supergiant for that!! they knew exactly how to spice things up

[fading ivy]

yeahhh, I took damage from it once when||she only boosted her dmg twice|| and I took 100 dmg, it was crazy😭

[fading ivy]

Yeah, it's really good, your skills of the original will carry over for some parts, but it's a completely different playstyle and they executed that perfectly imo

[fading ivy]

Yup indeed, can't have been easy to get it right!

[livid thunder]

100% agreed. I've seen a lot of people complain about lack of double dash, but I think they nailed it with the different playstyle from Zagreus. It's more tactical and it took some getting used to, but it feels familiar yet fresh

[vagrant finch]

Huge agree, this game was clearly designed around one dash really well and it should stay that way imo

[rapid badger]

i was a bit hesitant on the one dash at first, but it's really grown on me ngl

[agile siren]

even as someone who is very, very bad at the new play style - i completely agree with this

if we want double / multi dash and zag zig-zagging, we can just... play hades 1

[lilac ether]

i'm all for criticism and it's hard to not compare a sequel to its previous but a lot of people are just complaining that it isn't like the first one again

[pulsar blade]

tbf delayed inputs rarely feel good

[fading ivy]

yeahh, I've seen a bunch of people say like this, though honestly I love that it's different in a lot of ways but also takes a tonnn of good elements from the first game, for me it's just a really refreshing sequel

Just my opinion of course!

[pulsar blade]

single dash is fine in my book, the combat pacing is obviously intended to be different tho id rather take shorter invuln window than the delay on the dash, melinoe can feel clunky at times because of it

[royal pumice]

I agree! I think it just needs time to be refined, if the dash were the same as Zag's I imagine people would still have issues with it

[pulsar blade]

also zag’s dash with the doubling(tripling at times) was actually overpowered, you could very feasibly just dash attack spam your way through the entire game up to heat 10+

[royal pumice]

I think this game does a good job balancing the loss of the dash+general difficulty with a ton of opportunities to heal, in each location, having an opportune Selene or (god) ||Chaos|| boon, along with the addition of armour, you can afford to make mistakes

I still sob when I lose a death defiance to wailers in Erebus though I think I'm doing well and then one of those rooms pops up and I watch my run fall apart

[pulsar blade]

i disagree with with the afford to make mistakes part, i feel like mistakes are more heavily punished, maybe slightly more than warranted tho i haven’t gotten too far so maybe im just too used to having a fully kitted out zagreus

[royal pumice]

Fair! For me I found myself getting through areas faster (time-wise, not run-wise) than in Hades 1, I wonder if enemies have less health in this game

[cunning obsidian]

the wailers are a good "hey are you remembering to use your cast to keep them away from you" check lol

[mortal shuttle]

for real

[mortal shuttle]

if you're used to playing with the pact that buffs enemy health in Hades 1, then yeah, these enemies probably do have less health than you're used to

[drowsy jackal]

Casts?
Just stagger them with a single special

[cunning obsidian]

well yeah, but if they're armored you gotta hold em off first

[royal pumice]

Trueeeee

[high zenith]

how do you do the spoiler tags

[royal pumice]

two | on both sides of the sentence

[high zenith]

great, how do i get more ||familiars cookies||

[mortal shuttle]

see the pinned post: #h2-for-new-players message

[last crest]

||alchemical recipe in the cauldron||

[royal pumice]

||You unlock the incantation to get some periodically, I'm not sure what the trigger is||

[high zenith]

cool thanks

[royal pumice]

spoiler tags plz

[stiff hawk]

||can we encounter special NPC's in pitch black trials? Trying to farm narcissus||

[royal pumice]

(Crossroads location event) ||It's likely, I got the Chronos-Asphodel event while on a trial run||

[mental garnet]

where's #​hades-no-spoilers D:

[royal pumice]

here

for the first game? or do you mean the old channel for Hades 2 no spoilers?

[eager wraith]

the equivalent would be #h1-for-new-players

[mental garnet]

I was trying to make a joke

[royal pumice]

oh rip lmao

[untold vessel]

Soooo when do I unlock the boon library (if there is one)

[hazy umbra]

got some interesting mechanics down for the Axe

[patent harbor]

That's when you add /j at the end of your message

[hot quail]

I feel like you either love or hate the axe, I hate it because of its blatant lack of range

At least the twin blades have a special with a decent range

[patent harbor]

Way late. I'm 25 hours in and I still don't have it

[hazy umbra]

depends on the aspect, I suppose. One of the Axe Aspects is long range

[patent harbor]

Apollo really helps out with that though

[hot quail]

Fair enough. How many ||aspects does each weapon have? At the moment I see 2 special ones of each in addition to aspect of melinoe||

[patent harbor]

Dunno. I only see as many as you do. But additional aspects are in the road map for later this year

[hazy umbra]

3 each atm

[young idol]

how you get them

[royal pumice]

Incantation

[fallow saddle]

Hades 2 rly appeals to me but I'd rather play the full game on the switch, but the witch theme is so appealing that I'm strongly thinking about getting it in early access.

[patent harbor]

So when it comes to the || bath|| events. Are those just extra dialogue or specifically ||romantic||?

[patent harbor]

The game feels incredible. 25 hours in and I feel like almost all the main content is there. There's very few things that remind you it's early access

[ionic sand]

I feel like the game is easy compared to hades 1, hell i beat the first 2 bosses on my first run. On hades 1 it took me over 50 attempts to get there

The ranged options feel too strong

[wicked mountain]

i don't mean to interrupt but hoping someone could help me out so i don't lose my mind 😭 i'm trying to avoid spoilers but i did ||a surface run|| last night and the music's stuck in my head—does anyone know what the track names are for ||ephyra and the polyphemus fight?|| thank you!!

[ember dragon]

I've gotten to the boss of area 3 and ||Polyphemus||; are ||either routes past these two areas considered Completable|| until the next EA update would you say

[worldly pulsar]

||downstairs route is completable, surface route is incomplete||

[sand void]

I don't want to click on any spoilers but the all the songs are available here 😄 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53mjgVKFq7yeq21XhibC8izNSVlPCsNP (but now I realize maybe you haven't gone there because you don't want to see the whole list 😅 )

[ember dragon]

Perfect ty

[leaden gulch]

I havent completed a run yet but I'm 19 hours in and im having a blast

[blazing tinsel]

I noticed some of the placeholder art, a few bugs that got me killed and one error loading in a boon but that's it

[ionic drum]

Have only recently gotten to the second boss, and I love it so much
I still need to figure out most of the regular enemies in that second biome, but that boss is awesome

[wicked mountain]

haha yeah that's exactly why i'm asking here 😭

[patent harbor]

My errors have mostly consisted of controller inputs. But they have mostly been manageable and would manifest while I was in the training grounds, so I'd turn off the game and turn it back on

[errant trout]

Playing the game on a bumpy taxi is hard :(

[blazing tinsel]

Satoru Iwata is smiling rn

[young idol]

which requires what thing to be done if you dont mind spoiling for me

[patent harbor]

There's at least one more area past ||Polyphemus||

[patent harbor]

Oof, I was afraid of that.

[ember dragon]

Hmmmm
If I can get whatever the ||G stone is for upgrades|| I'll progress forward

[royal pumice]

Tbh not sure the specific requisite ||maybe try beating hecate with several weapons? It happens at one of the pre-fight conversations||

[young idol]

oh ok, also do you know how to get|| thalumus or d-wood||

[royal pumice]

||Thalumus is in chaos, use the spade to dig up origin seeds and plant those for it, D-wood is in surface second area, can just pick those up by hand||

[sand void]

I clicked on the spoilers and did some research and the || polyphemus song is Hades II - Sightless Shepherd (feat. Sam Gendel) ||

[young idol]

hmmm so I have to get that thing done to get d-wood but the other is a spade got it thanks

[unreal crest]

any thoughts if there's a better way to deal with ||Hecate's sheep polymorph|| at the edge of Erebus or do you have to just put up with it

[royal pumice]

How far are you into the game?

[unreal crest]

farthest i've gotten is to the ||Scylla|| fight but not mastered it yet

[royal pumice]

There are ways, ultimately it's something you'll have to deal with but vagely ||you can unlock something that has a chance of dealing with it||

[unreal crest]

great, that answers the question, thanks!

[wicked mountain]

you rock, thank you so much!!!!!

[sand void]

happy to help!

[young idol]

||if you unlock the pets the frog blocks it i just had it happen and heacate even says it was meant for you||

@royal pumice ||just got aspects you were right, killed her with every weapon I have unlocked and it unlocks, mioght be twice or some other secret thing you needed but i just got the incantaion||

[royal pumice]

Oh nice! I wasn't sure because I don't think I've killed her with all of them yet

[torpid dagger]

Just dash INTO it repeatedly until it runs off. Don't try to outrun it, just make it have to turn 180º

[young idol]

killed her with everything up to ||skull ||and i was using the ||blades|| just now and i got it, im assuming you also need to kill her a certain amount of times or finish the game

[royal pumice]

probably the former cuz I haven't done the latter

[wicked mountain]

also for anyone who might search the discord for the same reasons, i did end up finding the ||city of ephyra|| music, it’s ||the necropolis ft josh plotner!||

[dull trout]

is there a way to get ||Hecate's familiars to come back? I wanna bond with them||

[spice plank]

What I do is dash into the sphere and sprint for a bit. Helps also for boss fights

[unreal crest]

i find it hard to outrun the projectile, even with dashing/sprinting... probably this will get a bit better with the git gud factor but hey

[cunning copper]

dash into it over and over; if it does hit you then move to either the left or right alcoves in the boss arena and if you spam your attack key you do move slightly faster than if you were just walking

[quasi plank]

I eat it it's faster for me lmao

[strange star]

if you dash towards (doesn’t even have to be towards it) it at the last second it won’t hit you

[unreal crest]

interesting

[strange star]

gotta be prepared tho she throws that thing out quick lmao

[proper isle]

steam deck, just saying. it's a delight for games like this

[golden frigate]

With experience its actually pretty easy to avoid

Just dash when its about to hit you to the other direction

[half hawk]

I love watching everyone in this channel help each other out with things. So lovely. This is one of my favourite things when a new game comes out lol

[vagrant finch]

Together we shine!

[bold wigeon]

i can't unlock romance routes? hearts are locked?

[lyric bronze]

I progressed it a lil, keep gifting maybe

[narrow lark]

Try dodging into it :D

[unreal crest]

speaking of hearts -- is there a way to track how many someone has? i thought that'd show up in the ||book of shadow|| but ... maybe not yet?

[hidden tree]

you will unlock it

[narrow lark]

||There’s an incantation for it||

[unreal crest]

thanks!

[lilac ether]

hey, love ur pfp

although I'm obviously biased

[unreal crest]

she is, indeed, best girl 🥹

[lilac ether]

she's so cool in hades 2. our girl has grown a lot

[fading ivy]

the way you always meet her is so cool😭

[empty pagoda]

Finished game story, it's been great can't wait until it gets compelete

[drowsy jackal]

god i hate doing 9-5

like - wanna play the gaem and have fun but i'm just
and i've got so much other stuff to do

[lilac ether]

same. maybe I'll be able to play it by night though

[drowsy jackal]

can't even chill out with youtube cause it's full of hades 2 spoilers

i have to get through the game to build up an immunity to spoilers

OH MY GOD it happened again literally just this moment

i switched over to youtube just to prove a point and there it is - a spoiler in a thumbnail in a recommended vid
not even in my subs

[hidden tree]

||when do the characters appear in the book? after 15 encounters or something like that?||

[bold wigeon]

after loads of interactions

[elder bough]

@elfin sorrel hades 1 never had a return to house feature and i dont think i ever felt like i needed one. The point is winning, I feel like scavenging for resources is just a wasted attempt and a stain on my run history

@edgy isle row is horizontal, you have 2 columns

i do think the wording could be better

[edgy isle]

Row can be up or down

[elder bough]

that is a column

"in a row" can mean "in a line" though

[edgy isle]

huh i stand corrected upon googling, a row is specifically left-right or reverse lmao

[elder bough]

but it says in a different row, which is not that meaning

[hidden tree]

row is one horizontal line

[slow frost]

I love gathering resources. From the viewpoint that Mel is a witch, it makes a ton of sense.

But the noticing your resource in a chamber should be free imo

[blazing creek]

I had to leave my own discord server to avoid spoilers

Thats how committed i am to killing chronos 💯

[elder bough]

@tawny breach did you know there is a toggle to see song lyrics in the menu?

or have you got it on and still dont see that song's during the fight?

[quartz slate]

i bought Hades 2 yesterday and it's like the 2010s again

finally a fun game

[agile siren]

gaming while adulting is hard, bro. i'm so lucky where i live there's a hundred national holidays in may

[outer latch]

I mean, you unlock it in less than 5 runs, don't you? Just a few introductory runs when players are learning other stuff already, it's nbd.

[drowsy jackal]

god im so trash at this game

i'm still in that hades 1 mindset of "oh well my double divine dash will take care of this"
and the game is like nuh-uh

i wonder if we're ever gonna get a double dash in hades 2

[outer latch]

You have sprint :)

There's a sprint boon that eats projectiles if you loved the athena dash

[drowsy jackal]

yeah

[outer latch]

Hestia, I think

[drowsy jackal]

i had that...
once

but it doesn't eat enemies and meele attacks

there's just so much stuff in this game i still need some more time to wrap my head around all of it and start doing cool stuff

[outer latch]

I'm so glad for the complexity. Hades I was fantastic obvs, but you always ended up stacking one ability and spamming it all run. I love focusing on different combos of "omega special, regular attack" build, then "regular special, omega attack + sprint" or something.

[drowsy jackal]

oh yeah don't get me wrong - i'm loving it too

but it's like...
jumping from bloodborne to elden ring

or rather - jumping from doom 2016 to doom eternal
yeah that's a better comparison

i do miss the gun though
hades 1 was like "i'm gonna break out of the underworld with the power of gods... and this gun i found!"

[elder bough]

ive heard a lot about builds being harder to create because of the increased boon count and variety, but im heading into the third fight with far more boons than in hades I. doesn't this balance out?

[drowsy jackal]

i feel like there's more substantial boons and less fluff, so to speak
like - picking one or two boons here results in a much higher jump in power when compared to hades 1

[agile siren]

yeah, which also means not getting the good boons makes you really really weak though

[elder bough]

i have noticed a larger disparity in boon power yeah

[drowsy jackal]

they buffed the crap out of aphro too
her hades 1 boons feel super weak when compared to h2
i like that

[elder bough]

they dont apply weak, unfortunately

[outer latch]

...what? Her attack boon was the most % damage in the game.

[elder bough]

the previous damage buff was around 90% but applied weak. the new attack and special just do more damage. lots more, but no weak.

[drowsy jackal]

well yeah but her casts were useless

fun to mess about with though
especially if you had like 5 cats and that one boon that lets you rapid cast your... casts

[elder bough]

@raw spear does your codex not tell you where to grab it?

[drowsy jackal]

one of the most satisfying sounds in the whole game
kinda sounded like the pan from TF2

[bold wigeon]

guys what does '' Nemesis would be open to symbol when possible * idk what it means

[lilac ether]

i like the sound that the haphaestus boon does

[agile siren]

i'm at a point where with upgrades and having gotten used to the gameplay i can make it to end of 3rd / beginning of 4th region even with a bad build but it's frustrating because it takes sooo long and i don't wanna reset runs because i also need to grind for resources

i guess this will get better once i learn how to control my build / the game gives me options to do so

[drowsy jackal]

oh yeah yeah
the bonk

[lilac ether]

yea the big loud bonk

[raw spear]

I didn't think to look, because the characters talk a few times like "well if I keep looking and trying to get further I'll find what I need"; but yes the codex says the location (not the required gathering tool though)

[lilac ether]

we haven't talked enough about how hot these characters are

[outer latch]

I just don't understand the upsetness with losing a run after playing a while. I keep hearing "time wasted" like... do people not like PLAYING the game?

[lilac ether]

people are used to the usual way you progress in most games. as roguelike is a bit different in nature, i kind of understand being upset about it

[outer latch]

It's a roguelike. You "lose the run" a lot. There isn't even much RNG loss in this game compared to others.

[fading ivy]

Currently on a run where I have it on my attack and special, the sound is beautiful😭

[drowsy jackal]

all SGG games are just full of those crisp, satisfying sounds
weapon sounds in bastion (especially explosions and those weird little green grenades), basically all functions in hades, the crit sound in hades 1 (my beloved ), the BONK, the bonk 2: bonk harder in hades 2

good stuff

[agile siren]

if this refers to what i said- yeah, the game is less fun when rooms take long to clear because i don't do enough damage

[lilac ether]

as long as they're not upset at the devs, that is. then that's a no-no

[sick anchor]

I see people annoyed at the dash + damage on the subreddit and on steam discussions, makes no real sense cause its in ea atm

The dash delay isnt too bad to get used to either so its most likely people who just want to lawnmower through the whole game

[lilac ether]

the dash probably isn't being changed because the game is designed about Melinoé having one dash. this i consider more as something people are upset because it's not like the first game

however who knows if the devs ever consider changing it

[formal pivot]

I don't think they're gonna make an extra dash though, since mel's whole thing is sprinting. I think they'll just rework the sprint boons

[lilac ether]

yeah, that's probably the case. right now having extra speed doesn't mean much, even if it looks cool

[drowsy jackal]

guys!
i have to pick a new weapon to unlock
which one should i get - the umbral flames or the moonstone axe?

[formal pivot]

axe

[lilac ether]

ohh get the axe

[sick anchor]

Axe

[drowsy jackal]

bet

[formal pivot]

flames are pretty repetitive im ngl

[lilac ether]

and weak

[formal pivot]

not weak imo but you literally cant attack with the thing, just special

[agile siren]

also ||axe|| gets you a transistor reference you'll enjoy

[sick anchor]

I usually only use the twin knives but axe seems like a good weapon as well

[lilac ether]

axe isn't a spoiler don't worry

[drowsy jackal]

OH MY GOD IT SPEENS

[formal pivot]

axe + aphrodite is silly damage

[fading ivy]

yesssss

[lilac ether]

it's erebus content

[drowsy jackal]

god the animations on this thing are gorgeous

[agile siren]

thought you can only unlock extra weapons after beating hecate

[lilac ether]

nope, you could do that since the technical test, which doesn't go past erebus

[sick anchor]

Okay so quick question- what things should be spoilered and whats good to leave unspoilered?

[lilac ether]

as the channel description says, anything post-erebus is spoiler

[drowsy jackal]

For now, we consider spoilers to encompass post-Erebus content. Posts not tagging content beyond this point will be removed.

[hollow locust]

my bigger issue that i've encountered is the dash input buffering; it's been a few times now where i've been hit because mel decides to dash suddenly when i pressed the dash input half a second earlier

[drowsy jackal]

afaik all weapons show up on the list even if you don't beat erebus so i thought the thing i said was safe
though if you want i can go back and spoiler them just in case

[agile siren]

wanted to say to that, sometimes having too much sprint speed bonus is actively harmful, especially if (like me) you keep forgetting sprinting doesn't make you invincible

[sick anchor]

I turned off vsync and any stuttering issues went away for me

[hollow locust]

i don't think it's stuttering, since the frame rate is stable

[agile siren]

i just misremembered, guess it's ok

[sick anchor]

Though might just be that if i leave vsync on, hades + hades 2 stutter like mad

[hollow locust]

this has only happened with the dash so far; it's mostly if i dash while the dash is still being recovered

[drowsy jackal]

oh my god the BONK on this thing

[sick anchor]

Maybe its an action queue up? Like it lines up the action to go right after the dash recovered?

[drowsy jackal]

holy moly
i like this axe already

[hollow locust]

yeah, that's typically called input buffering and i think the threshold for buffering is currently too high

[sick anchor]

How’s the damage on it?

[fading ivy]

personally not my thing, but I can see why you like it, hope the run goes well!! :D

[drowsy jackal]

well - just so happens i got the hell splitter upgrade literally two rooms in

HELL SPLITTER
Your attack becomes a big chop with 300 power

let me just get some aphro on this thing and then im all set lol

[fading ivy]

oh god, yeah that sounds deadly already omg😭

[hollow locust]

when i tried the axe it got me through the third biome boss through sheer damage output so i found it to be pretty high

[drowsy jackal]

Guys
Am I lucky or what?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/638031423340806185/1238219038904287312/IMG_1749.jpg?ex=663e7cd7&is=663d2b57&hm=b7f7ad36636f5505de2c7e0c841fd803768d7f97c24124de8eb521128ac2408d&

that is EXACTLY what i wanted

[fading ivy]

oh my, the damage output is about to be insane

[elder bough]

@random apex you can see hearts later, im disappointed it's taking so long though. over 10 hours in atp

[drowsy jackal]

so if my math is correct i should be doing 600 dmg per BONK
and im only at location 6

i am become death, the destroyer of underworlds

[quartz slate]

This one and the weak infliction on dodge is nice too

[fading ivy]

600 is crazy😭

[elder bough]

aphro attack on axe gives 320 on the final hit

[open flower]

Hmmm, today I will buy items from the Well of Charon
https://pasteboard.co/TRXaViSjppwR.png

[drowsy jackal]

it's +140% now

[slow frost]

You aren't wrong; I'm just being a curmudgeon

[drowsy jackal]

oh this is ridiculous

[elfin sorrel]

Agree to disagree, 🤷‍♂️, I don’t like to feel stuck in a playthrough during my hobby. If I want to save’n’quit, a basic feature in games nowadays, I should be able to.

[drowsy jackal]

810 DAMAGE PER BONK!

[elder bough]

you can die faster than ever before in hades II though (i see your point)

[lilac ether]

can we dance in hades II

[elder bough]

@mint forge you should split your feedback into individual points so people can agree or choose not to agree with each of them separately

[fading ivy]

instead of giving ambrosia you just dance to unlock the final hearts of characters, would be amazing

[mint forge]

thanks for the tip!

[lilac ether]

yeah and there's a musical like in alan wake II

[drowsy jackal]

OH MY GOD THIS THING ONE-SHOTS MINIBOSSES

[fading ivy]

LMAO

[drowsy jackal]

once you get the armor down, that is

[dapper laurel]

the ranged flamed weapon (i dont remember the name) is good?

[elder bough]

replicating the feeling of decimating the hydra heads in hades 1 LMAO