h2-builds-and-combat

[spark crown]

#h2-builds-and-combat message throw back to my first ever time being accused of ragebaiting

[bronze flax]

I tend to go with Region 2 Embryo tbh lol

[spark crown]

(also lore is after that for 60f) but we don't talk about it properly

[viral yew]

He quit at 41 btw

[mystic mango]

Some serious tea I'm missing here but I know somebody else recently left the server who I don't know if they're the same person

[viral yew]

No, but I want to know more about this person

[mystic mango]

I know Wild Bunny left, or blocked me, because I asked them if they even enjoyed the game and talked about for fun, since they basically said themselves "idk why I'm here I already 100%'d the game"

They crashed out when I said they should spoiler tag in the channel that tells you to spoiler tag

But that's neither here nor there. I enjoyed talking with them early on but it became pretty clear they weren't enjoying the game and more were just here to have opinions about it

[viral yew]

yeah I never really like them anyway

[mystic mango]

I'm not talking on like or dislike just since that borders or server rules. Just stating what happened

They liked "teaching" me about Hades 1 when I kept repeatedly telling them I didn't need to be coached on it then beat double their max heat the next day without companions, maxed keepsakes, or a max level aspect

Just a case of opinions being stronger than the ground they had to stand on

[viral yew]

Yeah they tried to do that to me as well

I don't even think they cleared 62f

Not that it's a bad thing

[mystic mango]

I have nothing wrong with opinions about things on high fear from somebody who has not cleared 62+, I've done it myself until recently. But I also didn't form those opinions from my own lack of experience

I formed those opinions from being active in a speedrunning and high fear discord and soaking up information from some of the best people in the game

And I am currently grinding more 62 fear attempts (lost 3 runs today to chronos sadly)

It's not a lack of first-hand that's an issue, it's an unwillingness to accept second-hand information

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1501480364198203522/20260506000644-01KQY1RAW6QRPMYWYQZESX1VMP.mp4?ex=69fc3a0e&is=69fae88e&hm=2b15f9b3c661e5ba4af0164b063a1b263376f8ec1b63907c8af43b18852c07a3& ass

[mystic mango]

John Visual Clarity strikes again

Was that sash or trusty?

[spiral wadi]

i love when a single land dracon fires off screen that gets clouded by everything

[mystic mango]

Ah no not sash nevermind

[spiral wadi]

icarus 100 armor

[mystic mango]

you time pieced R2 not sash

The shot perfectly snuck its way up your attack path

[spiral wadi]

yeaaa

i thought it was automaton freeze jank when i saved clip

i did get hit by automaton freeze jank after the clip tho

[fleet kite]

They did not seem like a happy person when I talked to them (or rather was talked at by them)

[mystic mango]

Kinda made being 39 and grumpy their personality tbh

[low bough]

39 fear or 39 age

[tall notch]

He actually cleared 41?

Or gave up by 41

[viral yew]

Actually cleared it (with no proof)

[low bough]

I cleared it at 42

Also with no proof

[round olive]

I cleared max fear (No proof)

[lyric summit]

Think it was age

I don’t remember if they got past 39 fear 😭

I found it pretty amusing when I posted an Anubis clear where I used more Oattacks instead of Ospecials and they tried to lecture me about how to play the aspect

[mystic mango]

They posted a 40 or 45 I think

[lyric summit]

…without realising it was a 62 Anubis lol

[lyric summit]

Ahh fair play

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[mystic mango]

Yeah ospec spam is a lot harder to sustain on high fear

Needs a good Lucid gain or flood gain,

Even cardio gain can’t sustain it

[lyric summit]

Definitely a fun way to lose the run instantly in Erebus ye

[mystic mango]

Ospec spam is stupidly strong even you get to use it though

[lyric summit]

No proof needed goat. Congrats 😛

[round olive]

To be real for a moment though, honestly I'd consider it a genuine achviement for me if I was to just clear the 32 fear required for nighs champiion, even with god mode in

[mystic mango]

I was absolutely dumpstering rooms in Erebus with aetheric moonburst and lucid gain before I ever even got a special boon

[lyric summit]

Genuinely forgot that was a hammer oml

[mystic mango]

Aetheric is funny early game but falls off later yeah

I think that run actually got to Chronos

Was my first attempt of the day on Anubis

Just tons of ospec spam

But still making a lot of use of my attacks obviously

[gritty widget]

dont disrespect yourself like that
32f is SUPER forgiving
equip nergal and just attack, forget the dash button
you dont need it

[spark crown]

Bro didn't have my mental

[spark crown]

Damn they acting like @viral yew fr fr (joke)

[viral yew]

Hey i'm not that bad

[spark crown]

Idk from what I heard strength + death is pretty peak

And you hate that

[viral yew]

Listen here you funtclapper, ||stop ragebaiting me||

[spark crown]

The hells you just call me

[viral yew]

You tell me

[magic grove]

true

[lyric summit]

Oo that sounds broken! Swap off origination for Strength right? 😃

[magic grove]

can't forget to run unseen and excellence

[gritty widget]

dont run huntress, persistance, furies, or wayward son

[lyric summit]

Oh true yeah. Just take off boatman too

You’re gonna get money in the run anyways

[spark crown]

Yeah you don't need any of those 1 arcana either

[lyric summit]

Yeah you just need Sorc Artificer and Persistence 🤙

[spark crown]

So you can toggle on excellence

[spark crown]

You don't even need those

Go champions and enchantress instead

With jpom as your keepsake

[gritty widget]

now thats just speedrunning

[lyric summit]

Unseen Sorc trustt

[magic grove]

origination is too difficult to activate anyway, not worth the effort

[spark crown]

True

Better to take wantler R1 aswell

[magic grove]

lol no, everyone knows the meta is piggy R1

[spark crown]

Followed by droplet followed by athena followed by fig

Actually cerbie is hard take wantler

R3

[magic grove]

piggy -> concave stone -> fleece/evil eye -> jpom

[viral yew]

[gritty widget]

nah run fig on r4

[spark crown]

How's 134F coming

[magic grove]

fig on r4 still has value if you dont get fig scammed

run that jpom r4 with forfeit

[spark crown]

Orrrr run ares keepsake

[magic grove]

actually you still get a hades boon so forget that, run cc r4

[spark crown]

We all know that's useless

[magic grove]

bro is still on patch1

ares = broken

[spark crown]

i refuse to use new ares T-T

i miss my boy

[spark crown]

eyyyy they havent started work on my kitchen so i can get some runs in

[spark crown]

my luck really is scraping the bottom of the barrel today

https://imgur.com/8YAUAH6

i aint saccing hitch for ice on eos

[manic shuttle]

Get gain so you can fish for cherished Heirloom

[median anvil]

take tranquil

[spark crown]

trueeee

[spark crown]

Why did he have to be good now T_T

[bronze flax]

You always believed in Ares, and that's all that matters

[spark crown]

https://imgur.com/ERpemD9 NOT EVEN CLOSE BABYY

i miss played i should have taken pin over onion

You know what non fates whim run time

[lyric summit]

Is this after Erebus?

JPom to triple pin. Trust 🫢🫢

[magic grove]

just go gorgon amulet into renewed faith ggs

[austere trail]

looks like ephyra? idk

[warm helm]

Looks like shadow slicer 😭

[west barn]

looks a bit like the mourning fields but idk either.

[lyric summit]

Ye it’s definitely post Hecate

Otherwise they’re a psycho for picking Jpom anywhere else in the run 😂

Though there’s mum and dad dialogue if you take it into Tart if you want that 🫢

[austere trail]

probably not at 60F though haha

[lyric summit]

Hmm tempting

[tame vector]

Trying 40F Pan topside.
I'm in pain.
I'm trying to use the reroll corner instead of Pom but my damage is lackluster

Last run was good enough until Prom 🪨, i had no attack boon and was winging a Dio 555 + Grisly Gain

I think I'm the problem lmao

[vernal quiver]

sounds about right yeah

losing a free +3 on everything, no chrolex access, and a weaker arcana table is gonna hurt

[tame vector]

It feels like cheesing it a bit using pom

Rerolls are nice but since i dont have a particular build in mind, what's the point

[vernal quiver]

i get it yeah, but the more i play the game the more it feels like its balanced around jpom

since thats what makes lots more things viable come 45f+, otherwise youd only ever see like 2 builds

[tame vector]

Oh?

Yeah i see the vision

[vernal quiver]

yeah cuz like ares being a 20% base scaling god stinks 😭

or how waves are like 20 base iirc compared to the 35 with jpom

heph too he becomes 10x more viable from the levels

you end up stomping any regular stuff because the levels outscale 0fear like nothing but as you push higher it leads to a lot of flexibility and skill expression with what you take

[tame vector]

But what's the point of rerolls then 😢

[austere trail]

to force stuff that works

[vernal quiver]

people have done reroll 62f! just it kinda sucks from what ive heard

[flint widget]

consistency

[tame vector]

Pom makes anything work no?

[vernal quiver]

yeah but "anything" isnt getting heinous affront for the 6th run in a row

rerolls let you really fish for some funny combos and setups

just jpom lets anything work with enough skill to follow it

[tame vector]

What would you fish for with Pan?

[vernal quiver]

i would think like king tide/arterial spray stuff

or just trick slop hitch/blitz stuff

[tame vector]

Will try Spray next time

[pearl pond]

What gods / boons work with nergal well? I was thinkin of zeus as starting? but maybe I need something else

[sand crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259728673418772591/1501720509581234236/image.png?ex=69fd19b6&is=69fbc836&hm=68f43f42cb4bbea45314f85a2230de4b5e2a054e51cfe23a9fed9cd745def913& y'all should I reroll for ares lego or take profuse lol (I'm in tart)

I have like absolutely nothing for blades is the only thing

[sand crow]

I'm a big fan of Apollo on Nergal! Apollo Ω atk is disgusting

Nergal is also a FANTASTIC weapon for Exceptional Talent

Whatever you end up doing, you wanna focus on Ω attack

Ω spesh is also good

[vernal quiver]

attack wants to be a % or zeus, hera preferred ofc and if its zeus you take arc flash. psychic whirlwind is what makes the weapon so get it asap

[spark crown]

ewwwww underworld its ephyra

[upper shuttle]

what's up with the omega special for argent skull? sometimes it's distance is inconsistent sometimes it goes for like 3 seconds and sometimes it's just 1? I'm full charging each time

[austere trail]

Why are you saying the underworld is ew and then saying it’s Erebus

[austere trail]

Is this for aspect of Persephone?

[fleet kite]

Hmm what’s the shiva playstyle typically?

[spark crown]

im tired

i ment it ephyra XD

[spark crown]

Ospec into oattack

[fleet kite]

Seems expensive

[upper shuttle]

yes

is that why?

[lyric summit]

You misspelt surface and erebus

[lyric summit]

Dash into enemies then special to cancel the dash attack animation. Then just spam the attack

[bronze flax]

You need to fill the Olympian damage bar (you can see it next to the HP/Magick bars)

You fill it with... Well, Olympian damage, any flat damage that happens via boons (like casts, Scorch, Blitz, Waves, Fine Line, things like that) and that's what determines the OSpecial duration

[pearl pond]

Hey question with the nectar giving pom stuff -> does charon shop nectar give poms? or no

[spark crown]

No

[pearl pond]

ty! I'm on a 32 vow run & didn't know !

[spark crown]

That's what we are here for bring your questions no matter how dumb you think they sound we've heard worse

[somber beacon]

am I the only person who has never used nergal omega special outside of the training grounds? am I sleeping on it?

[broken spoke]

Well it isn't good most of the time compared to oatk

[sudden belfry]

whats a good medea build

[fleet kite]

Sort of worked, but I’m still learning rivals so I got bullied

Wore amulet to fields and then bought a kiss (derp), so I died to lava and she gave me 3 back in tart

Died during phase 2

Why so many tempi

[pearl pond]

Any tips on torch - aspect of supay? or is it better to try a dif aspect?

Cause while I like the auto atk / special stuff it doesn't seem to want to work for me (though I keep tryin hammer blast builds with it)

[broken spoke]

Put on hit stuff on them and go ham

[uneven palm]

Check the pinned link for builds for any aspect. Zeus spec Ares attack Heinous Affront is the Medea dream

[alpine raft]

blasts can work but scorch blitz hitch is better

[hollow stag]

Does Circe Hymn to the Eye of Night blessing affect Night Bloom?

[ripe grail]

Hey, quick question what would be the most fun aspect and build for lim and oros?

[sudden belfry]

ooh thx

[fleet kite]

Any aspect, Poseidon special trickslop

Is fun because it’s cracked

[alpine raft]

poseidon special is one of the worst for trick knives actually

[vernal quiver]

yeah trick slop wants a big% or zeus

zeus attack/hera special is the best case iirc

and with splash icd you wouldnt get all 3 knives popping a wave, just 1

[fleet kite]

Oh, sad

Pos special blades is my go to but I don’t really count on finding trick knives anyway

[vernal quiver]

yeah its good just its gonna run into the same issues chiron did in h1 with icd stuff

also why pan went from like stupid easy to being a really iffy aspect

[fleet kite]

Yeah icd strikes again

[low bough]

Why ares attack

Are all the attacks getting 50 power at once

[wild drift]

No but it still usually outpaces other % attacks because of the built-in 90% boost

[vernal quiver]

grievous blow

hera is best in a general sense and in aoe clear since hitch is crazy but in terms of like big number its gonna be ares

[tame vector]

Is trickslop trick knives and called slop because it's meta?

Sorry, I've been out a few months

[fleet kite]

Roughly yes

[tame vector]

I'm uncultured

[tame vector]

Roughly?
Whats the polishing details?

[fleet kite]

I assume it’s called slop bc it’s ridiculously easy to use, not strictly because it’s meta

But it is also meta

[tame vector]

Haha

[fleet kite]

Kind of like clockets was slop for the rail

In h1

[tame vector]

Honestly i never paid mind to that hammer until i saw Boated do a max fear factor (max factor 💅 👄) run with it

I was very uhhh rigid minded on my use of Pan, only omega specials

[fleet kite]

Yeah me too

And then I realized wait.. you can just not

[tame vector]

I do still mess up the input for the dash strike

[fleet kite]

Unless you have a good opening, dstrike into special and repeat is good clearing

Obv if you have the opening go for the ospec

[tame vector]

Opening means safe position to channel?

[fleet kite]

Yes

My pan play is a lot of dstrike into special into maybe attack combo special dash etc

It’s quite fun I think

I don’t like the blade oattack so mel and Artemis don’t really appeal much

Mel getting the special backstabs is alright

[tame vector]

I like this new style too, but sometimes i end up taking a lot of damage

[wild drift]

Mel and Pan are probably roughly equal damage with Trick Knives (though Mel probably wins out vs bosses like Cerberus and Chronos) but without TK, Mel can survive the best

Mel Blades has at least 2 max fear clears without TK iIrc

[fleet kite]

Backstab stronk I guess

[tame vector]

So, assuming you're going for Arterial Spray.
Which specific cores do you go for?

[fleet kite]

Either way would work but based on the splash internal cooldown convo earlier it’s probably better to do pos attack ares special if that’s your aim

That way you’re more trick knives friendly

Arterial spray is one of my favorite duos

[tame vector]

Thus it's compatible with Heinous Affront.
But not Killer current

Beach ball, yes

[wild drift]

It is if you get Slippery Slope

[tame vector]

But no room to apply blitz

[wild drift]

Killer Current affects all lightning including Storm Ring, Static Shock, Lightning Lance, Divine Vengeance

[tame vector]

OH

[wild drift]

Best weapon I can think of with that triple duo setup is coat, Wave Strike, Vicious Flourish, Storm Ring, Blinding Rush, Slippery Slope, Static Shock, Divine Vengeance, Light Smite, Back Burner, Grievous Blow

Giganuts

Who knows if that would even be that much better than simply having Blitz rockets lol

[vale trench]

yo rate my arcans:
The Sorceress, The Wayward Son, THe Huntress, Eternity, The Moon, Persistence, The Unseen, Death, The Centaur, The Lovers, Excellence, The Queen, Strength, Divinity.
Or I mean is there anything good to change?

[tame vector]

Don't use Unseen

Nor Excellence

[wild drift]

You don't want both Death and Strength, just pick which one you prefer

Unseen and Excellence are highly inferior to Boatman and especially Origination

Furies and the mentioned Origination are massive damage boosts to almost everything so you should almost always have both

Swift Runner is important for safety

[tame vector]

Unless you specifically want queen and divinity

Unseen is made obsolete by any gain boon.
Excellence benefits are marginal.
A common with a pom you want is better than a rare you don't need, imo

[viral yew]

This has to be bait

[vale trench]

why bait

[viral yew]

You made pretty much the worst choices possible and ignored everything good

[vale trench]

damn

[fleet kite]

Bit of an exaggeration

But you did manage to pick all the ones everyone hates

And missed a few very good ones

And doubled up on a pair that is either/or

[tame vector]

This reminds me of a very heated conversation two years ago regarding mirror choices

Mods had to get involved lmao

....oh wow that was a long time ago

I'm OLD

[surreal hazel]

I'd love to know what the tipping point price would be on The Unseen, where people actually consider taking it

[viral yew]

2 grasp, 10 per second

[broken spoke]

Tbf unseen either fix the magick or useless so idk about that

[surreal hazel]

Even then it's terrible on mel & moros torches

[broken spoke]

Like if i still need to pick a gain then why i pick unseen

[surreal hazel]

Because glamour gain and tough gain exist

[broken spoke]

Those 2 still doesn't convince me ngl

[surreal hazel]

Maybe not, but tough gain is the best time to want unseen.

best not being synonymous with good

[limpid spear]

I take it on weapons I don't want to worry about not having omegas.
Fate's whim you have plenty of grasp to spare

[surreal hazel]

I still think there's better choices

[limpid spear]

Maybe
But I've even run unseen + sorceress on 65s

Just personal preference on play style and not wanting to worry about resetting to beat timer

[vale trench]

Ok, I edited arcans
now it's:
wayward son, huntress, eternity, moon, persistance, swift runner, death, centaur, origination, lovers, boatman, the queen and divinity
now i need more M-dust

[tame vector]

Weapon?

[vale trench]

no specific, but i use armor and axe more often

(and i never used torches(oh, they called flames))

[tame vector]

I ask because if you're weaving in omegas you'll want Sorceress.
And Furies you gotta justify not using

Imo

[vale trench]

I always forget about casts existance+ the huntress makes more buff

[tame vector]

In fact, no point in running Eternity and not Sorceress i think

I recommend designing a different card spread for each aspect

[surreal hazel]

Sorceress is just a better eternity, yes

in fact, sorceress used to be eternity

[tame vector]

Not using a generalist one.
The act of thinking through every choice will grant you insight

[surreal hazel]

as in it used to have the slowdown effect

[vale trench]

atleast it activates the moon

[tame vector]

What a throwback.
Remember when it was the Hecate keepsake?

[tame vector]

If you need the Moon, you probably need a hex and omega focused spread

You're spreading yourself thin to activate arcana.
Play to your weapon's strengths

[low bough]

Hecate keepsake used to be good?

[tame vector]

WOW

[low bough]

And not just like 50 mag?

[tame vector]

It used to be the Eternity effect, then the Mist Veil effect

[surreal hazel]

the slowdown got moved there so it stayed in the game somehow

[low bough]

What are those, respectively

Also I cannot play without omega move slowdown

[surreal hazel]

but people really liked the slowdown instead of +30% omega speed so they had to weave it back in as Eternity

[low bough]

Its just rly useful

[tame vector]

Slowdown on omega channel and
Quick magick regen for a region

[low bough]

I can see why quick magic was removed

All those gain boons

[surreal hazel]

tbh when sorceress was slowdown it was ubiquitous, and changing it to as it is means it's actually a choice to make rather than an fixed thing

[tame vector]

Mist veil is in shops still

[low bough]

That max magick is sad tho

[tame vector]

I like it

It frees having to use Hecuba I guess

[surreal hazel]

100 max magic for the rest of the run, not just while held

[low bough]

I wish it at least kept part of that between regions

Oh, it retains? Neat

Still not the best but I can see value

[vale trench]

btw what aspect of armor do i upgrade or it's better to keep nightmare for secret aspect

[tame vector]

Whichever you have most fun with

[vale trench]

k

[tame vector]

All are viable, specially at low difficulty

[surreal hazel]

Nyx

[tame vector]

Also true lmao

[surreal hazel]

You need to max out one of those nightmare aspects to even get the hidden aspect to become available

[tame vector]

Oh i didn't know that

[vale trench]

oh this is how i ve got secret axe

does mel aspect count ?

[surreal hazel]

nope, not a nightmare-using aspect

iirc, unless they changed it

[tame vector]

I wonder if a familiar that grants elements would have been viable/desirable

(since they didn't add more 25 arcana as I dared dream)

Yes I'm still obsessed with the elements

[tall notch]

In EA Mel aspects worked I believe

[surreal hazel]

People were speculating about inverted arcana at one point

[tame vector]

Hi I'm people

[surreal hazel]

Hello people, I'm dad

[vale trench]

I quess Apolon always appears to break my build.
what do i do with him

[tame vector]

It depends.
His rush is the best imo
His gain is decent

His strike is amazing in slow weapons

And his legendary is bonkers

His revenge nukes the whole room, but needs support

Extra dose is fun too

His duos are... Meh

Godsent however is an enemy eraser

[flint widget]

play charon

charon wants apollo so bad

[tame vector]

Truue, although origination becomes iffy to proc

[flint widget]

charon already does stupidly good dmg without orig

[tall notch]

Omgg yeah I remember that

I wonder if someone made an inverted arcana mod

[manic shuttle]

Beach ball, rude awakening, sun Worshipper, sunny disposition are all really good

[viral yew]

tfym meh

[manic shuttle]

Warm breeze and glorious disaster suck tho

[tall notch]

Doesn't beach ball like hard carry fresh file?

[surreal hazel]

it does

Glorious disaster is the bestworst boon

it's got so much jank

[manic shuttle]

Tropical cyclone and cutting edge are ok I guess

[surreal hazel]

Cutting Edge is pretty rad, especially now

(it's also a bit jank in how it's applied but hey)

[manic shuttle]

But you always want coffin nail first

[lyric summit]

He works pretty well with Charon. Lucid Gain was sorta made for him

[surreal hazel]

always is a strong word, Cutting Edge works better on cast

[lyric summit]

Ironic I’m the one saying that but it’s true lol

[surreal hazel]

but it's definitely better on Cut above and profuse bleeding

[tame vector]

I knew this would happen xD

I mean overall, two good ones, many mid ones, some bad ones

Cutting Edge is good, but blades are not. So...

Beach Ball is best of course

[spark crown]

Big

[tame vector]

Shiny

[spark crown]

Guys help im enjoying Aspect of Shiva runs

@viral yew youve infected me with your awful taste in aspect

[viral yew]

Hehehehehe

[spark crown]

T-T

[glacial bear]

Is there recommendations on aspects to invest in early? For each weapon I’m just committing to one and getting it higher to optimize resources

[spark crown]

Recomended aspect to invest in early is the one you enjoy the most

[patent pawn]

The guy above is wrong go all in Artemis every time we love Artemis.

[spark crown]

there is no wrong choice except Hidden coat Aspect

[patent pawn]

You love Artemis.

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-sigh-sighing-supernatural-baffled-gif-9245336950067666845

[patent pawn]

Are all the hidden coat aspects bad or just selene?

[viral yew]

Just selene

[patent pawn]

I haven't used any of them yet

[low bough]

You havent seen the axepect

Imagine the guan yu but good

Playstyle is essentially beyblade

[patent pawn]

I beat a run at like 4 heat with guan Yu it's literally goated

[spark crown]

hidden aspects are the secret 4th one

[low bough]

I could never use guan yu with the hp loss

[patent pawn]

Oh right yeah sorry

[low bough]

Selene one is horrendous

[spark crown]

that was maulerrs right

the dash strike spam one

[low bough]

I think so, abuse the hp rebate

[patent pawn]

It had Ares cast but on its charged attack

[low bough]

The hades 2 equivalent has no hp penalty, and in fact gains an attack speed buff

Im not joking

Spin to win facetank is viable up to 20+ fear

But like the guan yu, you use it at max upgrade or not at all

[spark crown]

bro i cant even tell what aspect you are talking about

cuz it aint hidden coat

[low bough]

Nergal

[spark crown]

ahhhh

[low bough]

1hp regen per hit, but applies per enemy hit

Thats not much but it adds up

[spark crown]

i forgot my escape key is broken walked into a room and tried to pause and just facetanked 4 hits insted T_T

[low bough]

Its got a worse omega special tho

[spark crown]

nergal ospec with apollo isnt half bad

[bronze flax]

I like Nergal Omega Special, sometimes more than the Omega Attack tbh

Not that I use axes often, though, I suck with them

[spark crown]

i remeber the good old days of plaaying lvl 1 nergal just cuz i could

[patent pawn]

I've generally found the aspects in h2 less useful than 1 but I think that's just cause the Mel aspects actually have stuff going on as opposed to zag aspects

So the boost in power from no aspect to aspect is less noticable

[spark crown]

nergal healing bypasses scars correct?

awww heaven splitterr id take it but i got yelled at last time

it might be time to metagame

send me arcana fear and aspect

(not medea)

[viral yew]

Judgement selene 40f

[spark crown]

NO

60f

also aint no way im using that aspect it is second worst only to medea

[lyric summit]

60F Shiva?

[spark crown]

yup

[lyric summit]

Let's gooo

[lyric summit]

Sworn Strike + Gigaros + Mooncrest Riser. No joke

[spark crown]

moon crest riser T_T

[lyric summit]

There's been about 30ish Shiva runs above 62 and like 3 of them use Mooncrest lmao

Care to be the 4th? 😂

[spark crown]

f teir shiva hammer

aint no onne willingly using dash strike on shiva without hella attackspeed

and even then its still so slow

[lyric summit]

Fiiine be boring and pick Siege Frame Apollo atk 👀

[wild drift]

Tbh I feel like giving Shiva another chance lol

[lyric summit]

One of the few 62s you're missing?

[wild drift]

Charon, Thanatos, Medea, Persephone, Shiva yeah

[lyric summit]

I feel like you're getting really close

[spark crown]

Ewww Attack shiva

[lyric summit]

Persephone would be fitting to do rn

Considering it's 🚗 week in speedcord 😂

[manic shuttle]

Persephone is free

[alpine raft]

learning shiva at 65 has not been fruitful

[lyric summit]

Unless you really want to, I don't recommend it 💀

But it'd be really cool if you did 🫢

[spark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-dean-spn-gif-5793757

[spark crown]

Learning shiva has not been fruitful*

(joke)

[alpine raft]

just seems like muscle memory, ill get it down eventually

[lyric summit]

How far have you managed?

[alpine raft]

couple sirens, nothing crazy

[lyric summit]

Progress is progress

[alpine raft]

im sure if i go to 62 ill hit everything and regret it

[lyric summit]

Yeaaa that was sorta my mentality tbh

Think Shiva was one of the few where I was really just relying on Judgment blessing me

[wild drift]

Just got to Scylla and immediately died lol

Probably would've done better if I had Siege Frame

Had a crazy Level 7 Heroic Apollo attack thanks to Bridal Glow lol

[wild drift]

Lol my next attempt was Gigaros start and Zeus in room 2 and I was like f it I'm never doing Shiva let's just do a Mel Staff for fun #h2-victory-boasting message

[broken lichen]

Am I delusional or can Hex affect the gods you're gonna get?

[final sedge]

it feels like it, but I'm not sure it works like that.

[alpine raft]

nope it won't change anything

[zenith olive]

just lost like 10s of timer because nemesis glitched and kept walking back and forth for 10 whole seconds 😭

[wild drift]

Yeah her and Heracles can do that it's really annoying

And Artemis can take ages to spawn if you don't do the tech of killing the last enemy while she's lining up a shot

[hollow stag]

How much better is Ares Falling Blades with Heph Duo?

Is it as good at Apollo Duo?

I’m trying to decide where to put Heph on Core Boons. Selene Aspect.

• Attack Apollo
• Special Ares
• Cast
• Rush Apollo
• Cast Ares (Maybe)

[alpine raft]

duos are sorta necessary to make falling blades good

[bronze flax]

Much better, the immediate fall makes it proc more often

[hollow stag]

I’m thinking of putting Heph on Cast, Ares on Gain

[bronze flax]

If I have to choose between his Heph or Apollo duo, I'll choose Coffin Nail always

[bronze flax]

Yeah, that would do it imo

[hollow stag]

Sucks I won’t get up to 200 damage Blade Cast

[zenith olive]

Whats the progression on echo DDs?

Does it half each time

50 25 12.5 etc

[wild drift]

Decreases by 10%

[ripe grail]

Sounds good

[mystic mango]

Personally, for trick knives, I’d recommend Hera or Aphrodite special with Zeus on attack. Just since Poseidon special can cause enemies go get flung around everywhere and it can make chasing them down annoying

[proper cloak]

aphrodite special?

hera special i 100% get but aphrodite special doesnt sound that good. low base damage weapon that has medium range crowd control seems like the worst fit for aphro

id think smth more like hestia for the status + taking advantage of the fast firing low base damage

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942243398848572/1502055520390086736/20260507141203-01KR24GH02W4T3Q1QBEAWBE0VV.mp4?ex=69fe51b6&is=69fd0036&hm=0f58e2ce67c0ca66f6b15f0c35e140f3a3db296d6416f0aa8c62826174c30723& nice

[flint widget]

bro?

[uneven palm]

Aphro’s special % scaling is nutty though, and you’re up close with trick knives.

[rare grove]

[verbal whale]

[twin light]

Is Hephaestus Attack/Special meta on any aspect at all? I mean without stacking poms

[uneven palm]

I mean stacking Poms and rarity is kinda the game with Heph.

Heph special is best-in-slot on Morrigan special IMO. Either attack/special (attack better, because O special car wants a big % boost) are nice on Persephone since it can boost them up and blasting a crowd is instant Sprouted

[opal pecan]

He really needs the boosts

[hollow stag]

What’s more important in Selene Coat build?

30 more damage on Cut Above or 2% more Double Damage chance from Grievous Blow?

[uneven palm]

Take the damage on Cut Above IMO

[hasty patrol]

anybody knows a medea skull biuld

im trying out things that arent knives so anything helps

[uneven palm]

Check the pinned guide. Zeus special and go

[rare grove]

possessed array

[hasty patrol]

?

[rare grove]

It’s a hammer

[glossy jetty]

Ngl it's hard to say "pick up X hammer" since they're so scarce during a run

Parray is a great option on any skull though, I won't lie

[tranquil ore]

has anyone got any tips for the tail of typhon? that mf gives me more trouble than the real fight

[uneven palm]

Once you’ve got the hang of dodging out then in (or vice-versa) from the tail slam shockwaves, that’s kinda the worst of it. Just run away when it’s getting chompy

[tranquil ore]

i also feel like i can never hit it

[austere trail]

dropping cast on it helps you aim

[tranquil ore]

i feel like medea skull struggles with any air enemy

[austere trail]

yea tail is like the one counter to medea

[tranquil ore]

and it always shows up for me 😭

i just resorted to letting my skulls blow up instead of using special on it

[hollow stag]

Falling Blades + Apollo Duo + Heph Duo deletes on Selene Omega Special

[viral yew]

Imagine that but on any good aspect

[sudden belfry]

chat whats the best build for beating zagreus

[broken spoke]

Just beating him or what fear?

[glossy jetty]

Oh, and dunno if this matters anymore but what you're aiming to pom heavily relies on what your build is relying on.

Prioritize your main damage source (attack/special/cast core boons, static electricity, on-omega effects) or things that supplement it (slippery slope, arc flash, pyro technique, weed killer, etc).

If none are applicable, things that keep you healthy (healthy rebound, broken resolve, trusty shield, etc) or have supplemental effects (sea star) are always a good option

Most notably, Hephaestus's attack and special boons come alive with heavy pomming. You can pom their cooldown down all the way to 2 seconds iirc, which goes insane if you can manage to rip one consistently
(Sorry for the yap but knowing how when and where to pom is pretty useful :] )

[broken spoke]

If you try beating him 62f I can't help tho

[sudden belfry]

just beating him, low to no fear

[broken spoke]

Turn off timer, get a range aspect, and kite him forever

He is slow without frenzy

[sudden belfry]

awesome thx

[broken spoke]

So you can slowly deplete his hp and kite

[rare grove]

It’s less about the build and more about how far in you are; you’re going to have a much easier time in Olympus than you will Erebus. He can appear in Erebus and Oceanus uw and Thessaly Olympus surface. If you’re taking the Erebus fight it’s gonna be really hard unless you have a literally perfect start

[hollow stag]

How is Night Arcana on Momus?

[fleet kite]

Workable

As long as you play into it

[hollow stag]

Or are there better aspects to use Night on?

I’m trying to complete fated list

[fleet kite]

I got it through a Chaos Below trial so dunno really. I don’t ever use it

If you’re only after the prophecy entry you can surely just toss that arcana on a random run of anything

[hollow stag]

I think Night works well on Nergal with Apollo Legendary and Psychic hammer

[broken spoke]

I completed that fated list by doing some judgement run for fun lol

[fleet kite]

Judgement is the only one I have left on it

Random chaos trials gave me unseen

[sudden belfry]

does he not appear in the fields of mourning? augh

[broken spoke]

Only in mid shop

Region can't have mid shop can't have him spawning

[rare grove]

Nope

Thessaly is prob your best bet Olympus midshop kinda rare and you will have a lot of boons from ephyra

[sudden belfry]

managed to beat him! at an olympus midshop no less

now to just....do it again......

[fleet kite]

What’s the dream medea attack and special?

Ares Zeus was underwhelming

Dem Zeus sounds like maybe it has potential

[wild drift]

It's Ares or Hera and Zeus

Aphrodite special if you get Colossus Driver

I don't think there's a single weapon where Demeter attack or special would be a "dream", more like a "ok I'll take it I guess"

[fleet kite]

Sad. Poor grandmama

[wild drift]

At least everyone wants her Cast and Gusts and Snow Queen

Until her cast makes you fail dodges on Chronos lol

[glossy jetty]

quick question for medea since i never play it, im choosing between volatile array, bolstered array, and rapid driver. which is best?

[wild drift]

Volatile is the only one that does anything

[glossy jetty]

i mean the aspect revolves around the special and +2 shells makes more insta damage for bosses, figured they all had their uses

[peak star]

bolstered is only lije 15-20% more for loading all the shells

[wild drift]

Bolstered doesn't do anything since you're only using one at a time ideally anyway

[peak star]

which is easy to get while picking a better hammer

[wild drift]

I would say Rapid Driver is only useful on Persephone and maybe Hel for the charge time

[pearl pond]

So any tips on trying to 20 vow skull ? Kinda been running into a wall with this weapon cause I need to kill typhon with it

Main 2 aspects I like from it is Hel & Medea , but having trouble finding builds that work at higher vow lvls for it

[wild drift]

If you're comfortable with using Medea literally any boons will work with it

Best is Zeus special

[lyric summit]

Quite a few things work with Hel now so you can’t really go too wrong with boons

Zeus/Hera special are great for crowd control.
Having the other god be the attack can also work, but flat damagers like Poseidon/Hestia are usually best

OAttack builds are actually okay these days, so having Helheim charge + Apollo attack is decent too

[abstract snow]

Persephone is very strong with duo blessings Burning Desire & Island Getaway. Omega special will last forever and being invincible forever if foes have scorch on them.

[lyric summit]

Burning Island is such a blessed duo combo 🔥 🏝️

[burnt ledge]

thoughts on ares?

[alpine raft]

pretty ok

[lyric summit]

i’d put him top 14 god in the game for sure

[flint widget]

ares is a god in the game called hades 2

he exists

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/true-correct-why-is-he-olLyDUpnv5z3xhmeyB

[minor willow]

My favorite 💞

but like, when I dont wanna think about what to get

[patent pawn]

Merciful End is not in Hades 2.

Merciful End is in Hades 1.

[glossy jetty]

Says you

Go, my coffin nail

[somber beacon]

I love ares, I loved him in hades 1, I loved him before the buff, I love him after the buff. attack speed is funny, red crits are funny, healing below 40 hp is funny

[turbid karma]

sword drops are pretty great fun-wise, even if they're not exceptionally good, and the blender cast is always a good chuckle

I miss hades 1's blender support boons 😔

[somber beacon]

it would be cool if sword drops could stack

[uneven palm]

Ares without Jpom kinda just fine. With JPom a lot of stuff that wouldn’t be usable gets lifted into pretty good

[tranquil ore]

how do you play the coat? i dont feel like im doing anything with any aspect

same with torches

[wild drift]

With coat what I do is auto-fire hold down special and attack when needed

[tranquil ore]

what sort of boons should i aim for?

[wild drift]

I like to see Zeus Hera Hestia Poseidon on attack and special

Coat's most broken hammer is Shimmering Rockets which simply makes your rockets hit 2 extra enemies

[zenith olive]

how dos perseph aspect work?

i have it on max level and pom and got a boom, 2 options are lvl 4 and one is lvl 9

is it just one option that will get extra levels and does it not work with her keepsake?

[wild drift]

Small chance to have extra levels on every pommable boon

[zenith olive]

oh i didnt know it was a chanec

i swear this hs to be the worst aspect in the game

[bronze flax]

Not even remotely close to be the worst lmao

[viral yew]

[zenith olive]

omega special feels so weird

most of the times it doesnt go a inch further than other aspects do

but very few times it goes across the whole screen and i dont nkow what im doing different

[wild drift]

Ospec lasts longer when you charge it by doing olympian damage

[viral yew]

Cause you need to charge it up with olympian damage

[zenith olive]

wdym

[viral yew]

Do olympian damage

The meter next to your health will fill up

[wild drift]

So if you have Hephaestus/Zeus/Hestia/Poseidon attack for example, the damage done by the on-hit effects of these will charge up the aforementioned meter

Cast damage, Static Shock, etc will also charge this

(but for the record I agree with you I have Persephone in my bottom three but that's partly just cause I suck with skulls)

[zenith olive]

ooooh

ok i got it now makes a lot more sense

does hitch work?

[wild drift]

I don't think it does

[woven siren]

Here’s a guide for family disputes:
Always choose Hestia
Always choose Demeter
Between Hestia and Demeter, choose grandma Demeter
Always piss off Ares
Always piss off Aphrodite
Between Ares and Aphrodite, piss off whichever one you dislike more

Jokes aside just pick whichever one’s AoE hazard you find easier to deal with or harder if you enjoy the challenge

[lyric summit]

These days, I deffo don’t wanna piss off Dem or Heph 💀

[bronze flax]

Aphro, Poseidon and somehow Hestia feel like the easiest for me to handle

Ares is also manageable too

[flint widget]

selene walks in the room

[zenith olive]

my personal least favorite is hera

[bronze flax]

I am able to handle Demeter one if the room is big

I feel there is nowhere to hide from Hera's one lol

[manic shuttle]

Zeus is petty easy too if you're using a fast paced weapon

[flint widget]

hera lowk has bigass startup so lowk just get out of the way

also in bigass rooms you can just move away

[manic shuttle]

Yea

Heph is probably the the worst, aoe is huge and hits really quick

[zenith olive]

what are your opinions on ares cast

[flint widget]

ass cheeks

[spare slate]

lol

[flint widget]

tho a cast boon is still a cast boon

[zenith olive]

if i take a subtitute boon and switch out the single boon i have for a god does it get removed from my god pool?

[manic shuttle]

No

[tranquil ore]

has anyone got tips for getting a quick chronos kill

[fleet kite]

Have a strong build

In terms of pure mechanics, make sure you keep attacking whenever possible, for example you don’t have to immediately run to the safe number during the insta kill, you do have some free time to get hits in before you have to run

[zenith olive]

what amount of fear do ppl normaly go for after 50

[uneven palm]

62

[proper cloak]

Depends how easy you find 50

If 50 is pretty reasonable and you really don't struggle much maybe you can go straight to 62, but keep in mind 62 is several times harder than 50

50 is my best and I'm vaguely going for 55

[zenith olive]

50 was Impossible on underworld but 5th try surface

[verbal whale]

Sounds like a Sirens moment.

[zenith olive]

sirens and hecate and specially chronos moment

[zenith olive]

probably not gonna be worth it to use strenght ever again with scars 2 now🥀

[uneven palm]

It’s ok-ish with Scars 2. Obviously less good with 3

[viral yew]

It's fine on strength

[tulip cypress]

What is the best grasp combination for specific olympian boons run?

[uneven palm]

That’s a broad question. Check the pinned guide, there’s a whole section on Arcana.

[tulip cypress]

Guide where?

[viral yew]

Pins

[viral yew]

Isn't every run an olympian boon run?

[fleet kite]

Do you mean to hunt specific duos or legendaries?

[viral yew]

Excellence and queen still aren't worth it

Unless you're doing prophecies

[fleet kite]

If your goal is just the prophecy they can be

[viral yew]

Literally what I just said

[fleet kite]

I typed it as you did, can you go five seconds without being hostile?

[viral yew]

I wasn't being hostile?

[golden mirage]

If you consider that hostility, you might want to reexamine how you perceive the world

[somber beacon]

nah it was a little snarky

[tulip cypress]

Thanks lad

[tulip cypress]

I mean using rock alter arcana
So the boons can be more specific

[viral yew]

You weren't always using that?

[tulip cypress]

Prefer fate whim run ith persephone keepsake

[tulip cypress]

Nah i want to try that run

[uneven palm]

Again, the guide in the pins has an entire section on build control with rerolls and the arcana section assumes you’re using rolls

[zenith olive]

build control with reroll sounds difficult and boring and im a fates whim fan

[viral yew]

Build control is easier tho with rerolls

[zenith olive]

Almost got 55f surface on my first try 💔 but died to Typhon

Still not putting scars 2 tho

[tall notch]

Who needs build control if you can just let jpom decide

The amount of rerolls runs I played since getting access to jpom could probably be counted on fingers of one hand

[fleet kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053557088774795275/1502567776626151565/19e0b885b9398-master_playlist.mov?ex=6a002eca&is=69fedd4a&hm=25c59188b45bb95b1cccd118c2e29a0b15642f3ae7ef3d6caa60e309264e78cd&

“Something changed about my chaos boon”

Girlypop it’s literally the same boon

[spark grail]

Anyone got any tips on em4 frenzy 2 chronos?

Or I suppose to just frenzy in general

[manic shuttle]

Boated has a good analysis vid. I think it's this one https://youtu.be/WdZuBGv7WKE

[wild drift]

#h2-discussion message

[spark grail]

Should’ve assumed boated made a video, dudes always got a video for something lol

[manic shuttle]

Yea he's the best h2 youtuber

[viral yew]

Checkmate>Pizza>Boated>>>Haelian

[spark grail]

Going into the fight now with this info

[manic shuttle]

I think best player is different than best youtuber since the second one entails making analysis videos and such

Boated is also one of the best players in for sure tho

[spark grail]

Well it worked

Took 50 damage

[tall notch]

damn thats actually better than my average r4 chronos kill

[spark grail]

(It was 40F Circe)

[manic shuttle]

That's really good for rivals chronos lol

[tall notch]

in my 62f Than I took over 500 damage for context

[spark grail]

Holy

I mean Circe is pretty laid back until 3rd phase

For me atleast

[tall notch]

it's still not an easy fight so getting through it with only 50 damage taken is a decent result

[spark grail]

But I still gotta get better at Frenzy 2 in general, I probably should’ve started earlier

Started at like 55hrs in

[spark grail]

That’s fair

[flint widget]

what is this glaze bro 💔

i do not deserve ts

[spark grail]

Also just curious is it worth using auto aim at all

I turned it off like right at the start cause it seemed weird to have on

[flint widget]

aim assist? yeah it's worth it

[spark grail]

Yeah sorry couldn’t remember exact name

I was like surely this hurts more than it helps cause of target priority

But It makes sense if speedrunners and such use it if it’s good

[flint widget]

i don't think I've ever turned off aim assist in my 900+ hours of playing in this game

lowk goated

[spark grail]

Yeah I turned it back on first with Revaal when I first started using that and I was like

[viral yew]

Love ur vids king keep it up

[tall notch]

when the game gives me aimbot and turns it on by default, I obviously will use it

[flint widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284908016918986906/1494022756977610822/togif-5-1.gif

[flint widget]

thanks

[lyric summit]

Just a few world records here and there. No biggie

Probably the most collaborative H2 YouTuber too lmao

[lyric summit]

Jfc did you accidentally think you were playing Nerg? 🫢

Jk

[flint widget]

that doesnt mean im automatically better than guys like boated

[lyric summit]

I’d watch your vids over his these days 🫢

Tho then again I only really watch speedrun records or 65+ vods for practice 🫠

[flint widget]

u just reminded me

i have like one million vods to commentate 💔

i gotta commentate that rivals 4 surface wr, 50f surface wr, and i think thats it

[zealous crag]

For Circe staff, would Poseidon cast with Arctic Gale actually be better than Hestia cast? I wonder if the psychic leash constantly being able to proc Froth might actually be stronger, at least to enemies hit by the leash.

[viral yew]

No lol

[lyric summit]

Stacking froth casting is pretty solid

But more likely I’m clicking storm and winning 🫢

…if Zeus ever shows up

[zealous crag]

Is Zeus cast just better than both?

[flint widget]

yes

by a mile

[viral yew]

2 miles, even

[lyric summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732934868467712094/1502617969702998148/IMG_1490.png?ex=6a005d89&is=69ff0c09&hm=8e149297a5aca2076fd541a4dd90dd43eb7dbe3cc8a69a1e0b1a0053c53584ab&

Storm ring pretty good I guess

[gritty widget]

🗣️ shout out to the 0.44%

[lyric summit]

Interesting that Heph cast is taken way less than Dem

I’ve always had a decent time with Clang

[zealous crag]

Can I ask why? I usually just run JPom and do whatever seems right, but I've never run the numbers or analyzed builds or anything.

[gritty widget]

i like dem cast better than heph personally because it strips wards much better and also helps me handle tough encounters in thessaly and olympus much better (by freezing)

[flint widget]

its simply cuz storm ring has the highest dps output out of all the casts

and dps can be increased via double strike and stuff

and kings ransom exists

[gritty widget]

on no wards id probs like heph better, cuz if no wards then the fear is also pretty low

3 hits with wards sucks (feeling-wise)

[zealous crag]

Does the fact that the bolts don't strike multiple foes affect anything? Or the fact that if enemies (bosses) leave the cast, they don't keep getting ticked down like by scorch?

[low bough]

Ngl Hes cast is better than I expected

[flint widget]

nah and nah

[tall notch]

proud to be a part of that ~3%

[wild drift]

Double stacked Common Lv4 Storm Ring is 240 DPS, Idk the numbers on Smolder Ring off the top of my head but you would need a high rarity Smolder plus common Pyro to match that

[tall notch]

Heph cast on circe is so peak

[low bough]

Clang x6

[low bough]

Also dont forget the scorch tickrate is consistent without a specific boon

So that might be 2nd best damage %, but its allocated at a fixed rate

[tame vector]

Turns out i didn't even scratch the surface of rng manipulation with Enchantress and Champions

No wonder i felt it didn't compare to Pom. I didn't even know how to use them properly

YouTube algorithm blessed me with a tutorial on it.
Crazy work.
You can leave Ephyra with a whole build.

[uneven palm]

Ephyra rules for door manip

[tame vector]

Yep. In my 400 hours I've never even tried that
Crazy builds on demand here I go!

[glacial bear]

Do you have a link or a content creator about this?

[tame vector]

https://youtu.be/t5DLJhcjihg?is=FlOpbF-4FUFrqyJZ

[tranquil ore]

whats the best keepsake order?

i usually go jpom, fig leaf, sash/egg, and then fang

[zenith olive]

medea becomes so difficult to play at higher fear

i swear its impossible to dodge attacks while you have to dash into your enemies to damage them

[tranquil ore]

i havent even tried a high fear medea

i just like going quick with it

[spiral wadi]

yea medea is deceptively one of the worse aspects to play high fear on

[vernal quiver]

for speed or fear??

[tranquil ore]

speed

[vernal quiver]

speed depends if you do rerolls since with rerolls its zeus -> fig -> gorgon -> wantler

whim though its probably jpom -> fig -> gorgon(maybe knuckle bones assuming olympus r3 and you have hitch) -> wantler

r3 is a weird one, ik UW likes gorgon since it lets you map things out easier in fields but for surface im not too keen unless the athena time save is still worth it

since yk olympus is olympus

[zenith olive]

do yall think its ever worth it to use the dog

im gonig for a anubis run and the last one i suffered from not having enough mana so i think dog could be good

[vernal quiver]

kinda? shes made useless by half decent luck is the issue and will only have value as long as you dont have a gain which you want asap anyway

she can make the start smoother(which is also why some runners use unseen for high fear eos just as an example) but she wont have whole run value like raki/gale would

so it just depends what you end up valuing, rakis damage, gales saftey, or hecubas start consistency

[zenith olive]

i prob need to value gain boons higher

i end up taking too long to get one and i dont like most of them

well i didnt even get a single gain boon offered and now am in hecate with no hp and without dog! awesome

[magic grove]

if your aspect uses omegas even if it's not a omega-focused or magick hungry aspect you need to consider what gain to use

and even if you dont, some gains have good secondary effects (although you may lose huntress)

also filling up your core slots is important since you'll always be offered a core boon if you have a slot, so even if you get something like Dem gain on an aspect that doesn't use omegas that just means you're less likely to see another gain and might get a better boon from another god later (unless you get a sacrifice which can happen but it's less likely)

[magic grove]

Athena time save is worth it I'm pretty sure cause nat athena sucks, but you can also go hammer (gambling!) or knucklebones if you have hitch/hereditary as you mentioned

[tranquil ore]

why knuckle bones with hitch?

[mystic mango]

Because if you have hitch it will also apply to the knuckle bones hit

[zenith olive]

what i meant is I normally value other core boon higher than gains and I tend to wait a bit too long to get a gain while waiting for the best one on my god pool

which is what i need to stop doing

[mystic mango]

https://youtu.be/On9QwTeZaUI?t=1285&si=VFBRglisWhMu1RTM @tranquil ore watch this video from the timestamp

Knuckle bones + Cherished heirloom + hereditary bane instantly phases Prometheus and Heracles

Hereditary bane just makes Promacles so much easier

[magic grove]

tbh i now realize bro was asking about speeds, and unless youre doing rivals 4 speeds youre not gonna fight promacles so

athena is good unless you really wanna keep your hades boon or gamble a hammer you really need, depending on the aspect i think droplet can work too

[mystic mango]

Yeah I did realize the original context yeah KB is useless on anyfear speed

[magic grove]

ah yeah that will really depend on what aspect youre playing too, for some aspects you really want it early

[mystic mango]

There isn’t a single region that benefits from KB on UW or SF

Since every other keepsake just naturally saves more time over the course of the full region

KB saves at most like 2 or 3 seconds on any of the bosses on anyfear

Even an unoptimal fig room probably saves more time than that

[vernal quiver]

Yeah i forget non rivals is a thing sometimes 🥀

I cant think of prom without thinking of 2 buff men 😞

[mystic mango]

Hitch + KB on Scylla 🔥

Trust lol

[tranquil ore]

now this is something i want to try

rivals 4 speeds incoming

[mystic mango]

https://tenor.com/view/work-out-together-arnold-schwarzenegger-handshake-predator-gif-13057666465563852253

[verbal whale]

Hell yeah.

[digital root]

what god do yall reccomend for the big axe with the thanatos aspect?

[fleet kite]

It’s mainly for rivals prom afaik

You hitch them both before the bones trigger and then they get extra chunked

[tranquil ore]

does hitch work with zeus legendary?

or do they die before getting hitched

[fleet kite]

I’m guessing they die before or it’s somehow exempt from hitch spread

[mystic mango]

No it’s just a cosmetic number it’s not actually affected by anything and doesn’t appear on damage board

[tranquil ore]

that makes sense

[mystic mango]

Also it wouldn’t be possible to hitch it because it happens instantly when they’re first damaged

[tranquil ore]

is it possible to hit 9999 naturally

[magic grove]

uh... maybe?

[mystic mango]

Yes

[fleet kite]

I hear about 4000 blast crits sometimes

So probably possible somehow

[mystic mango]

Somebody I know hit a 3345 non-crit blast

So yes it wouldn’t have been over 10k if it crit

[magic grove]

apollo attack or hera is pretty nice

[fleet kite]

Wonder if the heph Apollo duo blast can get the daze backstab or if the daze is removed first 👀

[mystic mango]

@digital root watch this video I basically got the god build for than axe

[pearl pond]

Question for hestia / hera duo boon - How does it work ? I am a bit confused on how it does dmg

[mystic mango]

Psychic seething with Hera or Apollo attack

[digital root]

what keepsake is that?

[tranquil ore]

can you crit with the dem hestia duo damage?

[mystic mango]

No

Freezer burn and scorch cannot crit

Scalding vapor, however, can crit

[fleet kite]

Scorch fans in shambles

[mystic mango]

Which one?

[fleet kite]

Scorch fans recovering

[tranquil ore]

i hit a 4075 freezer burn and if that was able to crit…

[digital root]

in the vid, that pomagranete looking thign

[fleet kite]

It’s a pomegranate

[mystic mango]

Jeweled Pom is a post-credits keepsake

[fleet kite]

It’s postgame content

[digital root]

i havent fully beaten the game yet, so that makes sense

welp time to get to grinding

[pearl pond]

scorch fans seek Aphrodite for infinite scorch uptime -> WINNING

[digital root]

thats what i do on the daggers

[magic grove]

when you restore mana, you deal 500% of that mana amount recovered to all enemies that have hitch (there's an icd on this im pretty sure)

[tranquil ore]

i once had that duo with the arcana that restores mana so it was just permanent ticks

[magic grove]

example, if you restore 10 mana with cardio gain you'll do 50 dmg to all enemies that have hitch

[pearl pond]

oh? does that mean it's better to get hera's magic restore for large chunks of dmg? or is it better to have something like aphro which is constant ?

[magic grove]

i think i've used this boon like twice but i guess it depends on the aspect

[tranquil ore]

but at the end of the day it the same total damage

[magic grove]

you probably don't want aphro gain tho

[fleet kite]

Or flood gain

[tranquil ore]

better just to have the gain that works best with the build and take the extra damage

[tranquil ore]

i have trust issues with flood gain ever since i first found out it doesnt work with poss array

[pearl pond]

hmm... I wonder if it would be good with apollo gain? large chunks off of casts?

[magic grove]

if you're going for the huge dmg you want hera gain and a gigantic mana pool so get all the mana tonics you find

[fleet kite]

Like, poss spend don’t trigger the flood duration?

[tranquil ore]

yeah

[fleet kite]

I can see that. But you could always manually trigger it and then get free poss while its active

[hollow stag]

Ares + Zeus Duo is great, but it takes 4 Boons to set it up.

Hera is better with Attack/Special + Hereditary Bane

[magic grove]

you also need to apply hitch consistently and spend the mana well, i can see it working with Hel skull

[pearl pond]

This is what i first found it on !

[tranquil ore]

i just end up hoping for hera regen so i never have to worry about it

poss array eats mp like crazy

[magic grove]

yeah parray wants hera

[fleet kite]

Any time I take a good gain and have magick, parray hides

But when I’m primed down to nothing or have cardio gain

Parray is requesting my location

[tranquil ore]

every time i get parray first thing in a run, good regen hides

[magic grove]

cardio gain can work with parray depending on level and rarity

for medea, if you're running jpom and get an epic cardio gain or just a rare with a few extra levels from poms you get infinite mana

[fleet kite]

Last time I tried it I was Persephone skull to do an embryo run

[tranquil ore]

which ones cardio gain

[fleet kite]

So… common cardio gain lv1 ofc

I had a big magick pool so at least rooms died quick and flashily

[magic grove]

hestia

[tranquil ore]

oh ive done parray with that a couple times

works well enough

i ended up doing zeus regen a couple runs back

[magic grove]

if you can get a cardio gain to regen 13 you can sustain parray on medea since you'll regen 26 per attack -> special

[tranquil ore]

is 1 attack then special most optimal for medea?

[magic grove]

yes

[tranquil ore]

i always do 2

[fleet kite]

2 is like.. not the end of the world

But it doesn’t add much benefit usually

[tranquil ore]

i used to do 4 and then realised my errors

[fleet kite]

Since you’re ideally running blitz special this maximizes the blitzes

[magic grove]

you can hold 2 between enemy waves or some boss phases but usually just sticking to 1 attack -> special -> repeat you can't go wrong

[fleet kite]

To do 1 and 1, I mean

[tranquil ore]

tbf my fav medea runs have been with pos attack, is that still better with 1

[fleet kite]

Very

Splash has icd

[tranquil ore]

i didnt know that

icd is internal cooldown right?

[fleet kite]

Yaur

[magic grove]

medea works with anything but usually you want hera atack zeus special

or ares attack actually

if you get colossus driver, aphro special is the best

[tranquil ore]

medea works well with jpom bc i can really use anything

[fleet kite]

Yeah it’s a flexible wep

[tranquil ore]

i was tryna go for zeus special and ares attack earlier, and i got zeus in the first area and he never appeared again

[fleet kite]

Did you fill your god pool?

[tranquil ore]

yeah

[fleet kite]

So just awful luck rip

[tranquil ore]

i just ended up with double ares

and that was in the final shop

[fleet kite]

Which should be terrible

But it’s medea so it still works

[tranquil ore]

any attack boon is better than none

medea is definitely my fav aspect ive really used

[pearl pond]

Okay so I tried both hera & zeus on hel special -> Hera wins imo by a large margin on how it felt to use her boon on special

[soft garden]

hi

[magic grove]

bom nick irmao kkkkkk

[magic grove]

hera special on hel is pretty fun

hera special / pos attack
unless youre going for oattack with helheim charge in that case you want apollo

[fleet kite]

I never know when oattack is ever justified on any skulls

Manual ones anyway

[alpine raft]

huntress and in between waves

[magic grove]

huntress

and for hel, you kinda really want helheim

[hollow stag]

What are good keepsakes with Demeter and Hera's Duo other than White Antler?

Let's say you got their Duo early on Region 1.

[fleet kite]

I thought attack autofire during helheim

Or am I mixing up terms

[magic grove]

helheim charge is a hammer that makes your oattack fire 2 more times

[alpine raft]

thats valkyrie, helhiem is the oattack hammer

[fleet kite]

Oooh

[magic grove]

i wouldn't go out of my way to pick a r2 keepsake other than chrolex/fig (for speeds) tbh

for r3, knucklebones benefits well from cheirloom specially since you'll probably have hitch already. gonion will heal you more if you're doing high fear which is nice

and for r4 antler becomes even better since crit is broken

[uneven palm]

Lion Fang with Cherished starts at like 70% global damage which is pretty beefy if the antler is too scary. Sash gives more armor.

[final sedge]

Cherished Heroic chaos boons have a high chance to be heroic garbage

[soft garden]

Vlw kakakak

[low bough]

I feel like people dont realize how many hits you can actually take at 30hp

Dem shield + Hermes shield + Security alone is 5 hits with high hermes dash boon

[vernal quiver]

Plus 3 from lovers, 3 from gale, any dodge chance

Wantler is a lot safer than people think

[bronze flax]

I still take a lot of damage from Chronos. No way I'm using Wantler

[wild drift]

You will take less damage if he gets phased/does a combo breaker every 2 seconds

[uneven palm]

That’s the real trick. If you’re breaking him all the time he’s pretty predictable

Then you’ve got hopefully some barriers and DDs for the end

[low bough]

Bold of you to assume im walking in with 3 gale blocks

[mystic mango]

Getting to the boss is often harder than wantlering the actual boss sometimes tbh

[wild drift]

Yeah I love when a Polyp hits me as soon as I enter a room

Or when summit room 1 has 8 Land Dracons

[spiral wadi]

honestly diabolical that getting hit frame 1 of entering a room hasn't been patched out yet

[wild drift]

Idk if it's better or worse that it doesnt eat Gale blocks lol

[spiral wadi]

it shouldn't even be gale diff cuz then it'd be take gale always lol

[flint widget]

uh wrong channel

[deft marsh]

?

[wild drift]

This is the Hades 2 channel

[deft marsh]

Ohhh

Sorry mb

[wild drift]

But to answer the question, the special is strong especially with Charged Skewer

[deft marsh]

Ohh okay ty

[dull bone]

What's the best weapon build early for umbral flames

[viral yew]

Check the pins

[dull bone]

Sorry but where is the pins?

[mystic mango]

If you’re on mobile click on the channel name. On the desktop app there’s a button at the top

If you’re on the website I’m not sure

[dull bone]

I see now

Thanks

[mystic mango]

But there’s the pinned message anyways

[gray mica]

for the charon axe does the cast matter

when it explode is the damage a flat amount of dependant on the cast itself

[mystic mango]

So the way Charon explosion works is that the actual cast boon behaves like normal, just hitting the cast with omega special instantly sends the cast through its timer to .2 seconds before explosion and at 130% size. Then the omega explosion does extra damage

The cast boon does normal damage but the omega explosion is the part that gets extra damage

But the omega explosion can be buffed with stuff like Geyser Spout and Local Climate

[gray mica]

so boon that buff the omega cast are the one i need to find?

[mystic mango]

Yeah. A good cast boon is still a great thing to have, can’t hate on solar ring or sword ring, but stuff like geyser spout and local climate are what really send it soaring

[gray mica]

ok thanks

[mystic mango]

Geyser spout at epic with jeweled Pom increases the power of the explosion from 150 to 500

And that’s BASE power

So over a 3x multiplicative damage buff

[spark crown]

Best casts are solar tidal sword and can never go wrong with ice

[mystic mango]

Also @gray mica hunt for super nova

Super nova is affected by Charon

It instantly sends it to max size before exploding

[gray mica]

the one that gives magik when cast expire right?

[mystic mango]

So you get 2x cast size

[spark crown]

That's lucid gain which also works

[mystic mango]

No but Lucid gain is also great to have

[gray mica]

ah i see

[mystic mango]

Super nova is an Apollo boon where the cast grows

[spark crown]

Supernova is cast expands till time is up

[mystic mango]

But Charon instantly sends it to max size

[gray mica]

alr thanks, thought i might try smt more fun beside the usual aphroidte posideon combo, never tried a cast build in either game

[mystic mango]

Charon is goofy when you really get a build going

[low bough]

Its quite good

Charon I dislike due to ranged cast

[mystic mango]

Why

[low bough]

But other than that, its not a bad aspect

I prefer the field at my feet

I use casts a lot more defensively

[mystic mango]

Charon doesn’t like ranged casts anyways

Least not at a high level

Since it removes some tech you can do with the weapon and messes up some other stuff