h2-discussion

[heady socket]

the hex might not carry a run but it can sure help more than some boons can

[spiral dawn]

i honestly disagree

[whole remnant]

sure some, but more boons in general are helpful than investing into a curse

er hex

[spiral dawn]

hexes always require investment, whether it be upgrades, time spent waiting for it to reload or havibng to spend the magick to recharge it

[whole remnant]

also on surface it taints the shrines

[spiral dawn]

whereas boons u can just kinda grab on the go

[spiral dawn]

this too

[whole remnant]

so UW i like hexes better for sure

[heady socket]

you have more than enough time to get your core boons + some way of triggering origination, that's usually enough damage for me anyways

[spiral dawn]

if i have a choice between a hex and smth else i will always opt for somehting else

unless its like a minor reward

and even then i lowk might 💀

[heady socket]

i take hex over hp/magic unless i need the skip

[whole remnant]

that's highly dependent on a lot of factors

[heady socket]

or need the magic i guess

[past violet]

Because Sea Star is huge if you are going surface.

[whole remnant]

UW artificer, what boons give you core boons, god pool etc

i'm not saying i don't use hexes

but i tend to stick to low investment ones

and they've mucked up circus runs for me

[past violet]

If you wanna be lazy

Just go timestop and never upgrade

[heady socket]

well, twilight curse/wolf howl happen to be the two best ones

[whole remnant]

night bloom as well

those are the three i like

[spiral dawn]

have to say tho that between hades 1 and 2 i much prefered the call mechanic of the first game compared to godsent hexes

[whole remnant]

but i might get dark side phase shift eclipse on mel staff lol

[nova oar]

Calls were way better

[spiral dawn]

right!

demeter & ares calls <3

[merry whale]

return dionysus call

[heady socket]

calls were strictly no investment maybe thats part of why you liked them more

[spiral dawn]

thats true

[heady socket]

also you might be forced into taking them if you were playing high heat

[nova oar]

That's why they're better yeah

[prisma monolith]

thats pracisely what makes hexes bad, they are weapon dependant

[spiral dawn]

i wasnt playign high heat tbh

i think max heat i did was 16 for the achievement

[heady socket]

okay but wolf howl and twilight curse with 0 investment are still better than the majority of non-core boons you can get

[merry whale]

i think the funniest thing is that hexes do need investment but then ur fighting for rng for

• the hex u want
• getting it on full moon
• hoping u don't get hit with a small tree that forces u out of investment/moon beam

[spiral dawn]

right

[heady socket]

but yes, weapon dependent

full moon can help, but being the first slot isnt going to stop me from taking a strong hex

[merry whale]

ye it's fairly fine still

[spiral dawn]

and like at the end of the day its not that deep lol
everyone has different playstyles whatever works for u is fine

[heady socket]

another good reason to take selene is if the other choice is some god you don't want in your pool (e.g. ares)

[spiral dawn]

thats true, but why wouldnt u want ares

[prisma monolith]

another reason to take selene is when is the only option available

[heady socket]

weapon dependent but ares is generally bad high fear imo

with denial and wards

[bitter stirrup]

Ares is basically a hex if you think about it lol, you NEED Grievous Blow at least to make him half worth it lol

[spiral dawn]

i see
what weapon/aspect do u usually main

[crude dragon]

Ares needs a lot of Boon investment, a lot of his power is behind getting Grievous Blow and Profuse Bleeding

[heady socket]

i don't have an aspect i'm addicted to but i'm currently trying to beat max fear with artemis

its not going well

[spiral dawn]

oof

i liked blades in the beginning but i stopped using them a while ago

[spiral dawn]

that makes sense

[heady socket]

the difference between getting trick knives and not getting it is freakin gigantic

[spiral dawn]

fr

i think the short range is mostly what pushed me from it, especially when running even a little bit of fear

[bitter stirrup]

Are you doing Artemis instead of Mel just for fun or do you actually use the Parry

Cause the damage drop is so noticeable for me

[heady socket]

i'm actually parrying yes

[whole remnant]

most of my favorite weapons besides parray skulls magick is just there to activate huntress lol

[bitter stirrup]

Artemis is another one I wish they buffed (harder than they already did lol)

[woeful goblet]

any advice or help?

[halcyon rain]

yo i want that offer too

[bitter stirrup]

Like if the crit chance was a lower but global one over a certain time period instead of "your next 9 strikes" or whatever it is and it doesn't even work with TK

[whole remnant]

im a mel staff/circe/skulls/mel coat player, maybe i'd like hexes more if i played Moros and Eos more

but i gotta get one of three hexes basically

[spiral dawn]

ive been mainly playing supay for a while now and in general my main picks r usually supay/moros/thanatos
i should probably play other weapons and aspects more maybe id find new favorites but those r my go tos

[whole remnant]

and then not have it muck up my door/shrine etc selection

I loved Supay mid fear

it was my favorite

[spiral dawn]

its so good

and low investment tbh LOL maybe that is my strategy with everything

[whole remnant]

but it falls off high fear, i do have a 62 UW clear

[spiral dawn]

i can imagine

[whole remnant]

poseidon adventure

[bitter stirrup]

Low hand investment maybe but surely Supay is high boon investment lol

One of the slowest starters in the game

[whole remnant]

wave flourish echo doubled hidden helix 100 wave damage a helix

[spiral dawn]

ive only done i think max was 20 fear for the great chaos below, and outside of that i did 16f for nights executioner

[whole remnant]

epic pommed breaker rush

heaven strike

king tide

[heady socket]

low hand investment is a good way of describing supay

i used it to clear two runs at the same time earlier

[whole remnant]

it was a fun clear, but i needed a cracked build

it really falls off at 65

[spiral dawn]

honestly u can make a lot of boon combos work with supay, ofc the more fear u take the more the boon choices r gonna matter and there are better supay builds but in general suapy is very versatile

[whole remnant]

but 62 is already rough for supay

[zinc sage]

Hello ! Will there be a physical edition on PS5 ?

[heady socket]

i played supay on one hand and nergal on my other hand and barely won

[spiral dawn]

but as i said im not running high fear yet

[heady socket]

my issue with supay is that its damage feels useless early game

[spiral dawn]

how do u mean

[bitter stirrup]

It's definitely the weakest weapon in the game without boons

AND it doesn't hitstun

To be clear Supay is my #1 favorite aspect for fun runs

[spiral dawn]

oh like useless as in low dmg?

[bitter stirrup]

But it is so bad early game until you get that flat damage special or rush boon

[spiral dawn]

yeah thats fair

it was horrible i did a run with denial and not getting that first boon was a big problem fr

is it denial

[bitter stirrup]

Forfeit

[spiral dawn]

thats the one

im bad with the vow names sorry

[strong rapids]

i love supay for fun runs, but yeah the ridiculously low attack and special damage is an interesting choice. i think they could revisit the weapon a bit. 30% rush damage isnt anything crazy either, maybe increase that number OR add on some decreased dash cooldown or increased sprint speed or something

[bitter stirrup]

My buff for it would be for the omegas to hitstun

[jolly hound]

it takes a minute but it snowballs hard; but yeah if you don’t get an early Zeus/Hestia you’re likely gonna have a bad time

[cerulean ermine]

hey people

🙂

[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1500910326047182998/image.png?ex=69fa272b&is=69f8d5ab&hm=40d809411402e1edac559c00a58df6cdb165f20984339079e3715d64d1705b2a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1078&height=700 torches are interesting

their range is so short

maybe i should practice with knives before going into trches

[strong rapids]

good idea, though i think balancing it around zero hitstun is still an interesting and unique lane for it to have

[willow fog]

I had an absolutely cursed series of events that somehow ended in a winning run

||Zag fight in oceanus -> Into immediate Uh Oh fight -> Into asophdel abduction -> Into no food for oceanus boss||

Burned through all 3 DDs in the first encounter, and never got a single styx kiss offered

[jolly hound]

It won’t always be clean and easy

[willow fog]

Tbh its the most exhilerating run I've had in the past dozen or so

It was my first ||Zag|| fight, and man did about double everyone elses damage combined

Also the silliest part of that run is I literally got my only attack boon in the chronos shop

[halcyon rain]

nothing i hate more than asphodel when it's a good reward

[willow fog]

Lmfao, I went through those 4 rooms back to back with like 12 hp and a dream

[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046445654064513107/1500919773758750812/image.png?ex=69fa2ff7&is=69f8de77&hm=ef0ce35d8510f9e8a471677b2d6ff7d247226573c202cd202375cf695f9f9797&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1078&height=700 how do i know whether i gifted her before?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046445654064513107/1500921033581002782/image.png?ex=69fa3124&is=69f8dfa4&hm=b6c91823e3b3e2c442e5d4884db370c6f73784a596e06bb2e25627134a78fb50&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486 wow waht is this

i took some life to descend

[ionic obsidian]

I woke hypnos up how do i get dream dives?

[prisma monolith]

keep playing

[ionic obsidian]

Epalogue? or does it just randomly unlock w runs

[prisma monolith]

after epilogue yes

[ionic obsidian]

I got the og ending and havent played since so i redid the new ending

[final token]

Guys, do you know why 1.01 of Zagreus Journey has a lot of bugs ?

[prisma monolith]

because is a mod?

[final token]

Yeah

[ionic obsidian]

nvm i just got dream dives

it just unlocked randomly lmao

[prisma monolith]

good ol "keep going"

[ionic obsidian]

lmao

[proud swift]

The Hades 2 special of just keep playing and things magically work out.

[summer elk]

Why did they have to make JPom so good!? I just started a run with a god keepsake for a quest and I feel like I've Flowers for Algernon-ed myself.

[craggy totem]

Hee

[eager gust]

what aspect should i try 32 heat on next? ive done circe staff

what would be considered an easy one

[craggy totem]

I did all of my Fear milestones on Mel coat, but your preferences are sure to vary

[eager gust]

i just want to give something new a try

ill join coat gang

[craggy totem]

The nice thing about Mel coat is that Return is less of an issue than it would be on some other aspects; and like Circe, Wards and Hubris are also not much of an issue, and the flexibility of the builds also defangs Denial.

[strong rapids]

i was just talking about this a couple days ago, i totally agree 😭

[prisma monolith]

me who never used god keepsakes

[eager gust]

i havent really tried out mel coat

i did a casual run with nyx coat which was quite fun

[craggy totem]

Aspect of Dash Strike (and I guess you can special spam if you want but like. the dash strike is the fun part. I am not biased.)

[eager gust]

do you bother with the omega moves often

[craggy totem]

On Mel coat? Generally only in between waves or whatnot.

Omega special or sometimes omega cast.

[eager gust]

i was just wondering because i find auto fire a lot easier with the coat

[craggy totem]

(The latter I have switched to doing more in places like Thessaly, where the enemies might spawn Five Million Kilometers away from you, and you aren't able to actually make the omega special lock on)

But if you are entering a room that already has enemies spawned, I prefer ospecial

[jolly hound]

imagine taking denial on 32 when hordes 3 exists

[craggy totem]

Avaunt, foul demon

[zealous remnant]

I really think somethings wrong. In 90 hours in and havent gotten the hidden blades yet. I upgraded mels blades to lvl5 but still no dialog from artemis.

[halcyon rain]

you need to upgrade a non-mel blade to max level and have all of them unlocked

[zealous remnant]

Wow thats interesting

[eager gust]

hordes 3 should get ur hades 2 copy taken away

[jolly hound]

come and get it

[eager gust]

i will add hordes 3 to my current fear setup

HOW DOES THAT ONLY ADD 3 FEAR

[short raft]

Whats a good Rightous Pyke build?

[reef sail]

Pan

Because that’s the only 32 I’ve done

[crude dragon]

Torches

[short raft]

Not Shiva?

[eager gust]

how do u build it?

im guessing u just spam specials into casts

[halcyon rain]

torches can spam a lot more omegas

[short raft]

Apollo or Pos in special

[reef sail]

Curse on attack and dash is my preference, pos special preferred

[short raft]

Going for Hestia or zeus for a range cast boon

[reef sail]

I don’t focus on the omega

[eager gust]

or get lucky with my jpom

[reef sail]

It’s just risky and slow on frenzy 2

Lots of dash strikes and specials

For big openings sometimes an omega

[eager gust]

i wish i could permanently have the ranged cast hades boon

[reef sail]

I do not wish this

[short raft]

also, a personal recommendation for this specific weapon is the Time Arcana, its usually worthless, but on this one feels pretty good.

[eager gust]

ill give it a shot

[short raft]

Best of luck.

[eager gust]

i did just max out my pan blades to unlock the hidden aspect

[short raft]

Lol pan blades are broken

like its not even funny how strong they are

[eager gust]

ill do a couple runs with just frenzy 2 to get a feel for them

[short raft]

Pan with Epheus legendary is 100% critical strike chance, essencially.

[crude dragon]

Fun fact, this is the post-nerf version of them

[short raft]

aye

[crude dragon]

Epheus?

[reef sail]

One of the lesser known olympians

[short raft]

hammer man

[reef sail]

Where you getting crit chance 👀

[eager gust]

what hammers would you reccomend for it

[crude dragon]

Heph Legendary doesn't add crit chance to any of the knives

[reef sail]

It’s a blade aspect so trick knives

I like the one that gives the special flat damage too

[short raft]

Oh, i dont mean literally.
Ephestus increases backstab damage from 100% to 200%, its double, and that alone is amost crict

[reef sail]

That’s not pan blades at all then 👀

[crude dragon]

Oh, that's Mel knives

[short raft]

Oh my bad, fish memory

[crude dragon]

Pan Knives is the tracking Specials with the godawful startup and recovery on the OSpecial

[reef sail]

Are the random chaos trials seeded or can I just restart until I don’t get a weapon I hate

[crude dragon]

I'd assume it's seeded

[reef sail]

It is, rip

[buoyant matrix]

it's really sad how badly it falls off in both speedrunning and highfear

really fun to play it how it's intended to play

[short raft]

Pan is the only weapon in the game where i got this H1 feel; you NEED that Chaos channel reduction time or ur toasted.
Like in H1 you needed a second cast from Chaos or its worthless

and even then, it aint it.

[buoyant matrix]

it did need nerfs but man they murdered it too hard

[jolly hound]

What was it before

[short raft]

Can new Ares save Pan?

[short raft]

exodia with a single hammer.

[buoyant matrix]

murder machine of doom and destruction is what it was

speedrunners were phasing cerberus with only 2 ospecials

[jolly hound]

more details plz

[buoyant matrix]

hidden knives was a much stronger hammer back then and if you dashed while ospecial was coming out, all the knives still came out from where you were standing

hidden knives got a deserved nerf but they also changed ospecial so that if you dash, any knife that isn't out yet just gets deleted

[short raft]

Pan gives you extra hits on special, there was a hammer than made all em hits AoE

by dashing or something

[buoyant matrix]

hidden made you shoot your ospecial blades all around you instead of a cone ahead of you

[short raft]

Well anyhow, testing Ares pan, pls pray for me

[eager gust]

what is new ares

[short raft]

Ares got buffed this patch to not be terrible

[eager gust]

what changed?

[short raft]

Proffuse Bleeding now creates blades from Wounds and Plasma, and Grevious blow now scales better with rareity, Legendary gives u 100 power on any wound effect.

[eager gust]

maybe i should try an ares run

i just want ares cast to double wirh circe

[short raft]

will not recommend

Circe has this thing where some cast can double hit with cast if both circles are on the same target

ares cast cant do this.

[eager gust]

thats what i meant

i wish it could

[short raft]

Do Charons instead lol
Now Ares special can create a blade ontop of the cast

[eager gust]

damn i love poseidon

had his legendary and duo with ares

[jolly hound]

damn sad to have missed that

[proud plank]

Guys anyway to advance the Odysseus storyline besides just dying and coming back?

[sturdy fractal]

just beat ||chronos for the first time||

[jolly wing]

Is it 100 power or 100 power on top of 50 power?

[short raft]

150 power total.

[crude dragon]

+100 Power

[eager gust]

what weapons would you run an ares build for then

bc i always just run him as a secondary god

[cunning laurel]

just by his nature it's kinda hard for him to be the main attraction

besides selene i suppose

[raven snow]

Im using him as special on Momus as my main dmg atm

With moonburst hammer

[fathom lake]

Prolly Mel Staff with special

Its slow and hard hitting

Even then with Ares the star its always Grievous Blow and Blades shenanigans

The new legendary its really coold for WOunds though

I think we will all miss the stupid 600+% Plasma runs though

Rip

[jolly hound]

Ares on Mel axe is so satisfying cause it becomes than axe lol

[candid nimbus]

Torches work really cool with Ares. Grisly Gain attack speed increase helps them a lot

[reef sail]

Just sucks that it can’t keep up with fine line on its own

[candid nimbus]

Adding Visceral Impact and some Poms to Grisly Gain should help, though

[pine flume]

does cost to enter chaos realm break armor?

[worldly mantle]

No it takes directly from HP

Damage punishments from curses do hit armor first though

[rose otter]

Ive been sitting on my first victory screen for 30 minutes now

Just soaking it in

[worldly mantle]

Congratulations!

[rose otter]

Are any aspects super broken?

[tranquil wren]

moros, medea, mel staff, charon

[heady socket]

mel skull

[worldly mantle]

I think ||nergal|| axe is also up there though not many people (myself included) play it

[pine flume]

for "one whom labours for the Gods" do you need to do Rivals runs?

[unkempt zodiac]

Believe so yea

[tranquil wren]

no

[pine flume]

hmm under Heracles profile it says "a fearful night" to advance

[lean bronze]

you just need fear

[lean bronze]

i personally recommend moros
Its easiest if youre just starting out
Just keep special active at all times

[rose otter]

Which weapon is that? Im in a run rn

[crude dragon]

Alt torch aspect

[tranquil wren]

that's for his bond

if you want the dialogue for the epilogue, rivals is not necessary

[honest venture]

I'm kinda curious. Do the devs take suggestions for new updates?

I've had one or two ideas floating in my head, but I doubt it'd take, unless it was modded in.

[past violet]

Pretty sure one of the endings was due to player feedback, if any online article is to be taken seriously.

[merry whale]

honestly probably not since they primarily run on feedback rather than suggestions, esp during early access

they do for sure listen to feedback even now, it doesn't mean like things'll be 100% addressed but yknow it's the small things

if u mean suggestions like literally new content then i wouldn't get ur hopes up

[honest venture]

Darn

I just had a couple ideas I liked. Not new content specifically, just QoL.

[merry whale]

ah for QoL you can go to sgg website and there's an option to send an email in categories like feedback etc

[honest venture]

Oh, neat. I doubt they'd listen to one person, but I might just do that anyway.

[merry whale]

surely if it's good qol they'll consider it

honestly i just want selene book of shadows to be good

like i don't want to sift through 27 or so pages of every single selene hex and upgrade just to find the exact thing i'm looking for

[honest venture]

Wow, yeah.

I never looked at it before, because I don't ever really use her hexes.

[merry whale]

yeaa fair lolol

[honest venture]

I was just thinking of something like a toggle for infinite health for Skelly, and stuff like that.

And it'd be kinda cool, cus he could comment on it, like his life's purpose is being messed with or something.

[merry whale]

skelly does have a heightened hp incantation

i think it's very substantial and good as is

[red fox]

Calcium good

[merry whale]

schelemeus discovers: milk

[honest venture]

Wait fr? Have I just not killed him enough for that dialogue?

[merry whale]

i mean the increased hp incantation is already pretty good

[honest venture]

Is that his special reward for killing him a lot.😂

[merry whale]

idk what exactly triggers it

i just know it's an incantation that eventually does appear

[red fox]

Probably relationship with him

[honest venture]

I've literally found the fates, and haven't gotten that yet. Damnit.

[willow fog]

Its a really funny chat after giving him his bone buff

[near basin]

Just got Jeweled pom, So with jeweled pom you just dont take the bottom left corner of rerolls, and no olympian keepsakes, and just vibe out?

[crude dragon]

Yeah, though keep in mind that'll include Athena's keepsake

Also, you can take Boatman, it's specifically the Arcana that give the dice that you can't use

[near basin]

You cant, or can take it with jeweled pom? Saw some random comment saying take it last region

[crude dragon]

Gorgon Amulet will break Fate's Whim

[honest venture]

Oh man, smolder ring or epic flash fry?

[near basin]

now I gotta switch up my arcana, Ive been using mostly the same set for awhile

[red fox]

You take it and it break fw, sometimes you can break fw to get her boon

You won't lose level

[near basin]

Is it because athena is really strong or something?

[red fox]

Just future boon won't come in with +3

Athena has some game saving boon like replenish all your dd

[near basin]

I usually like knuckle bones for boss fight

[crude dragon]

Well, she can give you Divine Dash

[near basin]

recently I have been using strength, but death defiance was my bread and butter

that would be nice

[honest venture]

Man. Aspect of Moros, and not getting special boons with the hammer. Hurts.

[crude dragon]

As well as Stubborn Defiance. Not Pin's SD with extra rules, actual Stubborn Defiance

And yeah, she can also give you a buffed-up version of her DD replenishes from the first game

As well as an MP spend Boon that hits for 450 base at Epic

[near basin]

so for some people sounds like its worth taking athena at the end

hm interesting

[near basin]

thanks for the knowledge lol

[crude dragon]

The closest thing she has to a bad Boon is Phalanx Shot

[willow fog]

Btw olympian gods are very particular

Athena definitely breaks it, idk if hermes or artemis do but im betting yes

[nova oar]

They don't

[willow fog]

Prime 150 tho

[crude dragon]

Droplet and Antler are fine, they don't force a spawn

[near basin]

so athena keepsake could be better than knuckle bones for the last region?

[crude dragon]

100 at Epic

[nova oar]

Neither does fig

[willow fog]

Ohh thanks, so its just forced spawn shennanigans

Do yall use fig btw

[nova oar]

Neither are great for last region

[willow fog]

Knuckle bones is just never a bad pick

[nova oar]

It's a speedrun thing

[willow fog]

Ohh fair enough, what region is it best on? Thessaly?

[near basin]

you dont think so? knuckle bones seems solid for general defense, since most of the time its the boss I would struggle at if I lose

[merry whale]

only when i'm speedrunning, otherwise it's kinda just a thing that can do things

[crude dragon]

Athena's not terrible for the final region, but Antler and Fang are better options

[near basin]

but I havent pushed high fear

[willow fog]

Free 15% damage too

[merry whale]

usually region 2 cuz fig leaf remains active even when u swap keepsakes

[crude dragon]

Nah, especially not for Chronos

[nova oar]

There are better defensive and offensive keepsakes

[crude dragon]

15% damage on only one HP bar

[willow fog]

Chronos has 2 phases so that 15% is one bar

[near basin]

then what else would yall recommend?

[willow fog]

Its much better for the other bosses

[crude dragon]

@near basin

[near basin]

yeah for the surface its good

[nova oar]

Antler, pin, fang

[willow fog]

Tbh since I went pom im running chaos boon

Cycle between that and boatman for cash

[nova oar]

Only time bones should be an option is the rivals prom fight

[crude dragon]

50% global damage, decaying to 20% for Chronos and 25% for Typhon is pretty decent

A shame it's not as funny as it could be for Unrivaled Sirens

[near basin]

this is good info lol writing it down since I never messed with those before

thx

[willow fog]

Also lmao aromatic phial has its uses

[crude dragon]

Keep in mind that this is assuming you hit rank 3 for Fang

[willow fog]

You can keepsake swap before fountains

[near basin]

yeah I gotta work on levelling up keepsakes

[crude dragon]

Phial's more of a second-region pick

Chaos Trials are your friend for that
Because you will otherwise never catch me dead with Evil Eye

[near basin]

I used to like me some phial, the chaos keepsake was my first I got to level 3

[willow fog]

I had to do that when I got an absolutely cursed cycle of ||Zag fight to 3 DD loss - Uh Oh miniboss - Asophdel'd - No heals or DDs in the shop for the rest of the run||

[near basin]

didnt realize lots of people dont like it at all lol

[nova oar]

Not anymore

[willow fog]

Never had the game try that hard to end my run

[crude dragon]

The issue with Chaos Keepsake is that there's way too much variance

[willow fog]

I just did it yesterday, what you cant do is shop first

[willow fog]

"God, lmao"

[nova oar]

I swear they changed it so you have to hit fountain before changing keepsakes

[crude dragon]

Speaking of Chaos keepsake, can you sell its boon?

[nova oar]

Or am I thinking of smth else

[near basin]

I thought so too lol

[nova oar]

No

[near basin]

now I cant remember at all

[willow fog]

Smtn else yeah, I definitely tried everywhere else to make sure

[willow fog]

Yesnt

Gold, lmao

[crude dragon]

Now that would've been funny

[willow fog]

Oh the keepsake boon, nah

Its always rly funny when grandpa chimes in for the gold yoinks

Esp if you're salty after a family dispute

That chaos keepsake encounter timer is a troll tho

[nova oar]

Yeah it's so free

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that's another reason why it's got so much variance to it, the fact that the boon you get when swapping to it won't last the whole region

[willow fog]

Tbh hes prolly what clutched my cursed run

[nova oar]

Plus it's very likely you get smth useless

[willow fog]

I got the chaos boon for 50% attack power

I went all the way to chronos with no attack boons somehow lmfao

[near basin]

cant go into the casino thinking youre gonna lose

[willow fog]

You arent gonna lose, it just wont be good for you

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/lYXb7F7

My current keepsake rankings

[reef sail]

Naur

Keepsake box is the only thing you can do before using the fountain

[merry whale]

questionable picks but understandable

correct answer is putting all god keepsakes in f because of jpom existence

[willow fog]

Athena keepsake is strange tho

[merry whale]

athena keepsake is fair even tho i rarely use it myself, she got some good stuff

[willow fog]

S rank

[reef sail]

It’s okay after you’re done with the time piece and most of your build

And if you’re using strength or lost all your DDs

[willow fog]

Yeah, its never rly felt high impact

[near basin]

chaos not doing too shabby 🙂

[merry whale]

nah it works better when u have rerolls

[willow fog]

Actually it says athena can visit within a region

[merry whale]

and jpom meta means no rerolls

[willow fog]

Does that mean shes rigged for the next region?

[nova oar]

It's never a bad pick and if it lands it lands hard

[willow fog]

Cux all it says is one night

[merry whale]

gorgon is forced to show up in the next possible encounter

[nova oar]

Yep

[merry whale]

it also consumes athena's one appearance per night

[willow fog]

Oh, so shes capped at 1

No doubling up with the early keepsake?

[reef sail]

Is she guaranteed on surface normally?

[nova oar]

No

[willow fog]

No, but girl has high probability

[merry whale]

i think she has pity if u don't see her sometimes, but otherwise she's rng

[reef sail]

I honestly can’t remember if I’ve ever not had her

[willow fog]

I remember circe being a pain tho

Because thessaly rooms are cursed

[reef sail]

I’m doing the Morrigan trial and it’s only rank 1

[willow fog]

Midshop into endshop is still hilarious

[nova oar]

Too bad her keepsake sucks anyway

[reef sail]

This is suffering

[willow fog]

I remember on a run I was practicing frenzy speed at

[near basin]

so is old grudge just make typhon easier for free?

[willow fog]

Girl turned it off for me lmao

[willow fog]

Its not rly for free, opportunity cost and all, but yeah its good for him

[nova oar]

Nah old grudge is kinda cheeks

[willow fog]

But imo you'll get way more value out of gigaros dash throughout a run than hades slapping typhon at the end of it

[nova oar]

Or unseen

Or life tax

[willow fog]

Life tax has been so clutch

[near basin]

actually or am I missing the joke lol

[willow fog]

Its really bad

Relative to hades other busted options

[near basin]

what is it, I just got it for the first time

[nova oar]

Actually lmao

[red fox]

All old grudge do is skip typhoon easiest phase

[near basin]

but why?

[willow fog]

You get like 20% damage on the boss in end run

[near basin]

so shouldnt that be good?

[willow fog]

Thats it, versus a debuff for all enemies you dash into, soul jars for free, iframes every half minute

[red fox]

Idk if anyone care about skipping typhoon easiest phase

[near basin]

so are there other options or something?

its my first time doing post game surface

[nova oar]

Doesn't do much damage, means you miss out on a better hades boon, and takes so long to activate that you can do enough damage so only saves you like 2 seconds, compares to the value you could be getting over a whole run

[willow fog]

So imagine you were playing dark souls, would you rather have a good weapon or someone hitting gundyr with a stick on the fight start?

Because all of hades other boons are the metaphorical good weapons

Old grudge is the stick

And you only get 1 stick

[near basin]

bonk

[crude dragon]

It'll do the same thing as Knuckle Bones and skip the first phase

[nova oar]

The amount of times i've finished first phase before grudge goes off is insane

[willow fog]

That 10% dr is solid tho, which makes old grudge even worse

[nova oar]

Bones doesn't do enough damage on its own iirc

[willow fog]

If it procc'd on final phase and did a stun on top of the damage, maaaaybe

For reference btw

Old grudge does 20% iirc

Medea's curses can do 15% per DD spent

[nova oar]

Also ass

[willow fog]

Playing to lose yeah, but thats still gonna be 45% even if you unplug your controller

[nova oar]

It's 15 percent of their current health

[willow fog]

So 20% once, at the end of a run you might not even reach, is just so much worse

[willow fog]

Bruh are you fr

[nova oar]

Not 15% of the total healthbar

[willow fog]

Thats horrid

[nova oar]

Yep

[nova oar]

Exactly

[willow fog]

Thanks for the 5% ig

Tho medea does have some silly perks

I love the max mp per encounter thing

[crude dragon]

Did they finally make it so she can't offer it if you're running Strength?

[willow fog]

Idk about her but athena still tries to fleece you with DDs even with strength

[worldly mantle]

Anything based on already having death defiances are not given to you if you don't have them

[willow fog]

Btw does the game have skewed rng to not offer food if you're at low hp

[worldly mantle]

It's independent of having the strength arcana

[willow fog]

Or am I just unlucky

[worldly mantle]

You can not run strength or death and not get death defiance options

[worldly mantle]

No

[nova oar]

Did they fix athena doing it then?

[willow fog]

I remember ending the ||zag|| fight in oceanus with no health and 0 DDs, didnt get a heal till the next fountain and just never got a DD after that

[worldly mantle]

Athena can still give you death defiances

[nova oar]

Ohhh

[willow fog]

Thats both of her DD boons lmao

[worldly mantle]

Anything that's like bonus damage from used death defiances etc are the things that aren't offered

[willow fog]

Or does she have 3?

She has stalwart and stubborn still right

[nova oar]

Just 2 iirc

[willow fog]

Theres also the "prime all your magic but get a dd per room"

[nova oar]

Worse moros pin

[reef sail]

It’s not all

Just an obscenely large prime amount

[willow fog]

Its 150 at rare

Whats it at heroic

[crude dragon]

Is it 50 or 75 at Heroic? Because I know it's 100 at Epic

[willow fog]

Also random aside, I once got a lvl 40 heroic zeus cast

Due to him eating all my hera boons, which turned out to be nearly all my boons

[reef sail]

75 at heroic

[willow fog]

285 damage per tick is very funny to watch 3 times a second

[near basin]

why did mel just say "my keepsake isnt doing any good" with my pom? it doesnt say expired or anything and I didnt switch keepsake

[willow fog]

Its because theres no value left

Swap aspect, you keep the buff

[crude dragon]

The effect persists until you break Fate's Whim

[near basin]

so I dont keep pom, I switch to another non olympian boon?

[willow fog]

You keep pom effect and get another keepsake option

[near basin]

what are good non olympian to keep fates whim

[crude dragon]

The other Fate's Whim keepsakes

[willow fog]

Cant go wrong with heracles or chaos for value

But yeah stack the FW keepsakes first

Also had some clutch value with aromatic phial

[crude dragon]

Phial if you have any Commons that don't take poms

[willow fog]

Phial if the last boss kicked your ass too

[near basin]

maybe Ill do some chaos 😈

[willow fog]

Also the heracles one is nice

[nova oar]

My normal keepsake order is jpom-chrolex-onion/amulet/droplet-antler/pin

[crude dragon]

I wouldn't, but I don't control your runs

[near basin]

I do need to level up that one

[near basin]

true, the fates control all our runs

[crude dragon]

Yeah, or it will fall off before the final boss

[willow fog]

I usually go jpom - selene keepsake - chrolex - whatever else I feel like

Is the onion that good?

[nova oar]

ew, selene

[nova oar]

It's a 62f thing

[crude dragon]

For Strength, yes, since it's a Scars bypass

[willow fog]

For reference its 6 minimum rooms for chronos and 5 for the other dude, so you walk in with 20% buff or 25% buff respectivelt with good routing

[willow fog]

Are all the selenes bad at high fear

[near basin]

I was wondering what chrolex was lol I havent got that yet

[merry whale]

selene is fine in high fear

[willow fog]

Bribe gramps

[merry whale]

usually doesn't carry but is nice to have

[willow fog]

Actually, what else bypasses scars

[near basin]

which ones do you like?

[willow fog]

Chaos is just ok

Its a free boon which can be very strong or very useless

[nova oar]

Some are nice for utility, the keepsake is just quite bad because hexes are guaranteeed to show up anyway

[willow fog]

I had a 52% attack buff on nergal axe, so it helped since my dumb ass had no attack boons till chronos

[willow fog]

Theyre rigged to show?

[nova oar]

||chronos keepsake||

[nova oar]

Yeah

[willow fog]

I never noticed

Im ngl prolly cuz I was usually ignoring them unless I had good picks

Theyre also awful value for chrolex

[crude dragon]

Life Tax, I think Revival from Chaos still bypasses it, Vampiric Cataclysm, and Nergal's Berserk state

[nova oar]

The apollo infusion boon

Onion

[willow fog]

Vampiric cataclysm?

[crude dragon]

Isn't a Hex 350 Gold?

[nova oar]

staff hammer

[nova oar]

550 I think

[willow fog]

Chaos boons are usually 550, never seen one below

That works even in region 1 so its good value, I treat them as a triple gold room now

[willow fog]

Also iirc that one nergal hammer bypasses it too

I got 2hp heals per hit at scars

[wheat stream]

I had a really good run i thought i was really playing good until i found out i took more damage from VOR eris than typhon💔 im a fraud

[willow fog]

Thats always the funniest thing to realize tbh

[reef sail]

[willow fog]

Your god run and eris did 90% of your run's damage in the last 3 seconds of the fight

[wheat stream]

Yeah i greeded so hard

[nova oar]

Hammer doesn't bypass it, just adds on to nergal which already does

[willow fog]

The real eris boss fight is the last 10% of her bar

[wheat stream]

But the run wasnt that good i thought having hera attack counts for the duo

The zeus duo that is

[willow fog]

I feel you lmao

I had a cursed run with ||zag boss|| into uh oh into asophdel

Ended that first fight with 12 hp and no DDs btw

I somehow reached chronos without a single attack boon and full hp

[willow fog]

"Duo"

[wheat stream]

Honestly if i feel the run is good i just dont fight ||zag|| cause i know it could be over there

[wheat stream]

Okay fair

[willow fog]

It was my first zag fight and the game decided it wanted me dead

[wheat stream]

LMFAO

[willow fog]

Not a single heal till the oceanus fountain, no DD refills for the rest of the run

[willow fog]

The scuffed runs are the most memorable tbh

[wheat stream]

I actually really hate strength when i do scars and pain is that normal?

[broken creek]

Yeah

[willow fog]

Very, most people with high scars run DDs

[wheat stream]

Somehow Death defiance feels way safer

[broken creek]

Strength stinks once scars and pain goes on

Its not just you its how the math works out lol

[willow fog]

Death defiance also makes me play better tbh

Theres less pressure to be perfect so I lock in

And I dont have misconceptions about the damage I take

[wheat stream]

Actually the opposite for me lmao cause i just die on purpose on the final boss to greed for damage and end up dead for real

[willow fog]

40% DR is nice for a run, not nice for the run after that when your brain doesnt catch up

[willow fog]

What if Time Nuke but 8 armor?

[broken creek]

Only reason you see 62f take it is for funsies or 67 practice

[willow fog]

Is str really that good btw

[wheat stream]

It is

[broken creek]

As long as pain and scars arent on its super good

[willow fog]

Idk how impactful that 40% dr is at higher fears

[wheat stream]

I really really like that damage boost

[willow fog]

Oh right, free 20%

[broken creek]

Its not thats the point

Pain + scars means death > strength by a mile

[willow fog]

I mean scarless higher fears

40% is a lot, and tbh technically its almost as much EHP as 3 DDs

Wait, no, thats pre nerf

[broken creek]

The safety of death assuming pain is still super nice

[wheat stream]

Yeah when im not really in locking in mood i turn the scars and pain down and just play strength for the damage

[broken creek]

Once you hit about 45f+ death starts being the better pick

[willow fog]

Im at 12 lol

Its really weird

[broken creek]

Then just play whatever lol anything works

[willow fog]

12 fear in H2 feels like 3 heat in H1

[wheat stream]

Keep turning it up its so fun honestly

[willow fog]

I want my statue

[wheat stream]

I don’t remember the heat debuffs in hades1

[willow fog]

They were a lot meaner

[wheat stream]

But i remember i was having an easier time there

[willow fog]

Trap damage was awful

[broken creek]

Most were whatever but approval process and underworld customs were evil

[wheat stream]

Could be just because im still new to hades2

[willow fog]

Whatd they do again btw

[broken creek]

1 boon option per god and forced purging between regions

[willow fog]

I nearly forgot abt the forced purge

[broken creek]

Yeah it makes high heat rng hell

[wheat stream]

I was so surprised i didn’t see it in hades2

I kinda liked it

[broken creek]

Since you need to hope you get a build with insane luck and have room to purge

[wheat stream]

I always would take a sacrificial boon and hope for the best

[willow fog]

Stockholm syndrome is nice this time of year

H2 just had worse overlap on heat

[timid hatch]

Man, Charon is fun in theory but whenever I try to actually play it I do consistently terribly.

[willow fog]

Ranged cast is rougu

[broken creek]

H1 high heat was rng hell and they took away zags legs, high fear h2 is more just skill checks and room skip rng

[red fox]

Forfeit is similar without you feeling bad

[timid hatch]

Rougu?

[willow fog]

Rough

[broken creek]

Yeah forfeit and denial are much more interesting ideas that actually have play around them instead of saying lmao u suck

[willow fog]

Nice attack boon loser

I partly miss the old jeweled pom even tho the new one is really a lot better

[wheat stream]

I feel like hubris is THE free fear and it could just be because i always account for it by getting a gain boon early

[broken creek]

Iirc max fear is only 3 weapons away from all clearing UW and max heat has 3 clears and 2 weapons 😭

[willow fog]

Hubris 1 is free

[broken creek]

Like half the vows are nothing vows lol

[willow fog]

10% enemy chance from next region lol

Random ass fish

[broken creek]

Shadow is free, hubris is free, debt is solved by chrolex, denial is arguably easier, wards only does anything meaningful on like 2 weapons

[broken creek]

That one stinks for high fear tbh

[willow fog]

Also paradoxically debt is better for early run count

[wheat stream]

https://tenor.com/view/im-nothing-like-yall-nothing-like-yall-im-nothing-like-yall-fish-fish-meme-gif-7279072448778168854

[willow fog]

Easier charon tickets for when that matters

[willow fog]

What does shadow even do, also whats denial again

[willow fog]

I love my erebus boxers

[broken creek]

Shadow is minibosses have another guy there, and denial cuts the 2 options you dont pick from the boon pool

[wheat stream]

The one where its elysium enemies but actually just run around and collect balls is also easy

Oh right its called return

[willow fog]

I have yet to get that tbh

Theres an elysium memory fight?

[broken creek]

Youd be surprised how much time it can eat at high fear 😭 a lot of the vows are free until 45f just once grit and hoards start going on everything gets worse substantially

[wheat stream]

No no the vow of return there is a chance if you kill an enemy they return it sounds annoying but the enemies drop little green eyes just grab them and they wont return

[willow fog]

Oh, its not like asophdel pink balls? Just grab, not kill?

[wheat stream]

Yeah just walk over them but if you leave them for long enough the return

[crude dragon]

It was Elysium, but yes

[willow fog]

Oh right, I blocked out elysium from memory cuz I hated it there

[willow fog]

How long does it take

[crude dragon]

About 10-15 seconds?

[willow fog]

Thats really generous

[wheat stream]

I don’t exactly know but like 5 seconds

[wheat stream]

No way its so much shorter

[willow fog]

He plays at higher frenzy, might feel like 10 seconds to him

[reef sail]

Hmm Charon vor2 is rough

[timid hatch]

I'm currently debating whether I want to continue pushing high Fear or whether I just want to chill out and work on getting better anyfear times. Maybe go between Rivals 4 anyfear and standard anyfear. (or at least get Rivals 4 done both routes at least once.)

Some of the vows as you go up in Fear are... bit painful, heh.

[wheat stream]

Honestly i think you should do what you think is more fun

[timid hatch]

Doing higher Fears is an easy way to mark "I'm doing more!" which makes me feel like I'm doing something other than stagnating lol. But better times can also do that.

Admittedly I could also just, play other games I guess.

[strong rapids]

if youve already been pushing fear and are starting to consider whether you should take a break, i think thats a sign you should take a break :P

[jolly hound]

pick the aspect you've used the fewest times and take it on your second-highest fear PR

[nova oar]

I'm not doing 60f selene

[timid hatch]

Hmm, I have been thinking about marking down my bests with each aspect... Marking down which ones I've won with at all and getting wins with all of them would be something.

[broken creek]

62f supay 🥀

literally never used the damn thing

[nova oar]

There's a record keeper for a reason

[crude dragon]

And there's a Prophecy for getting a win on every Aspect

[reef sail]

Eos seems underwhelming

[crude dragon]

It's Bizarro Moros

And just as strong

Especially since you can sandwich enemies between its OSpecial and yours

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah with Moros, you channel Ospec then keep channeling attack until Ospec runs out (or you can do what I did and just never channel Ospec), with Eos, you channel Oattack then channel Ospec then you can do whatever you want until Oattack runs out

[hushed cloak]

i know its a usable weapon but like

mel axe feels dumb to use

using it for the first time in forever and im just playing it like an off brand charon

[strong rapids]

youre absolutely valid, i think its one of the lamest mel aspects. the other 3 are just better and more interesting

[bitter stirrup]

Using special when the aspect bonus is attack is kinda funny lol

[broken creek]

yeah mel axe is super weird to use effectively imo

like it has omega potential since axe omegas have some crazy hammers but dash attack -> tap special is just such a strong and mobile option that also has some nasty hammers

but it has h1 guan yu type input buffering so it feels kinda bad 🥀

[candid nimbus]

I honestly think Forfeit is a worse Underworld Customs

The upside of Forfeit: uhhh... The sound of the onion is funny

[bitter stirrup]

Underworld Customs would suck in this game though cause we don't use rolls anymore

But yeah it's backloaded which makes it not as bad imo

[candid nimbus]

And more importantly, it makes the start not miserable, specially in the Underworld and specially specially with some specific aspects (Supay, heyhowareyou)

And in all fairness with Underworld Customs: it gives you money 🤑

[buoyant matrix]

that's why underworld customs is 2 heat but onion is 3 fear

[craggy totem]

Just purge the onion amirite 😜

[broken creek]

150 gold 🥀

[craggy totem]

You should be able to Artificer onion.... when you do it Dora should manifest from the aether to personally deliver the major reward...

[willow fog]

"Another onion!"

[desert thistle]

trying to beat 50f i have 15hp and 1 DD after beating cerberus should i just burn thru the DD so i can get athena?

[reef sail]

Might work

[desert thistle]

did it and got renewed faith 🙌

[broken glen]

NEVER PUNISHED

Gambling ALWAYS works

[reef sail]

Saved by the lava

[desert thistle]

still lost cause im absolutely useless at rivals chronos

how do i do it

[bitter stirrup]

You HAVE to memorize his attacks

[reef sail]

I still keep getting wrecked by vor2

[willow fog]

Also dont rush him phase 3

[desert thistle]

i was just running away phase 3 and spamming cast cause im on circe

[willow fog]

He plays completely differently to pilebunking him in phase 1 and 2

[desert thistle]

still died 🤷‍♀️

its a skill issue i need to watch a video or something

[bitter stirrup]

Prioritize getting speed boons like Blinding Rush and Nitro Boost because those basically halve the difficulty of P3 imo

[desert thistle]

i had blinding rush

it was phase 2 that took my DDs

[reef sail]

That’s the one you already know 😭

[desert thistle]

i knowwww

[bitter stirrup]

Nah the whole fight is totally different

[desert thistle]

i couldnt outdamage the healing

i think its cause i play phase 1 and 2 like its normal chronos

and i get blown up for it

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/lsKQREr

[desert thistle]

im UK i cant see it 😭

[nova oar]

Pain

[broken creek]

i have a damagless vid of a 62f rivals gramps i can send

https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo

pardon the terrible recording quality but yeah

strength antler no lovers since i was doing 67f practice

[nova oar]

Ok nerd

[desert thistle]

watched like the 1st minute and i can tell i play too aggressive

[broken creek]

yeah rivals gramps is fs a his turn your turn kinda fight

[willow fog]

Turn based gaming

[desert thistle]

ig im used to phasing bosses fast cause i usually do casual speedruns

[broken creek]

but you can learn points where you can be overtly aggressive and stay relatively safe

[willow fog]

Its not rly viable for rivals chronos

Speed blitzing him

[broken creek]

i.e. his triple slash you can dash around super consistently and keep damage up, the slash -> dash -> slash you can dash into the last slash and space around the dash trail popping to be more aggro, etc etc

that vid is also a good resource to see how to dodge triple scythe throw in p3 since i dodge it 3 times

2 are normal the 3rd is abusing messenger iframes(dont forget you have those)

[reef sail]

Why do you not go into the circle the third time

[broken creek]

for the p2 instakill??

[reef sail]

Ye

[broken creek]

i iframe it

[reef sail]

[broken creek]

lets me stay closer and keep damage up

[bitter stirrup]

P1/P2 moves:

• slash-dash-slash, slightly long windup on the first slash will tell you that it's gonna be this move, get away from him and save your dash for when he dashes
• slash-slash-slash, just get away
• dash-throw-slam, if he starts a move with a dash, you know he's gonna throw and slam next (note that he will often float towards you before doing the throw and it comes out super fast if he does this), you want to dash the throw and end up beside him because both the front and back of the slam have a hitbox, he also always starts the fight with this one
• giant slash, very easy to tell the windup for this one, just have to time the dash for this one imo, be careful about dashing towards him because he can follow it up with a slam
• time bubble into throw or vacuum, if it's throw just dodge it normally, if it's vacuum either rotate around him or get as far as possible so you can dash through the projectile
• orbital ring dash, hug the wall so the orbitals dissipate, dash through him when he charges
• annulus instakill, dash through the rotating clock hand

P3 moves:

• 12 clock hands, count to 12 while running around in a circle
• vacuum-slam, dash to the side after the vacuum
• triple scythe, if possible, get to the distance of his normal scythe throw and dash through the middle scythe and back, you can also run away if possible
• dash-slash-dash-slash, run away, you can dash through it as well and kinda need to sometimes if you don't have movement speed, note that at 50% he does dash-slash 4 times and it sometimes becomes dash-dash-slash depending on his distance from you
• 4 trail dash, (I have no idea how to dodge this consistently especially without movement speed), you can run away from it, dash through him, or dash at an angle

Idk if I forgot any moves

[broken creek]

its a super easy tell, you have his 6 wing clicks then a pause then slam you can react to, or the circle disappearing, a small wait, then dash

[willow fog]

I gotta ask btw, does wolf howl iframe time nuke

[nova oar]

Yes

[broken creek]

uhhh it should

wolf howl can dodge anything and sometimes is the only answer to some mean chronos patterns

like i saw this one guy have a setup of time slow, triple scythe, and a clono being out still 😭

wolf howl is the only way out of that without dying

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I've had timeslow + clone + cutscene too lol

[willow fog]

Attack?
Yes

[bitter stirrup]

Antler vids don't count cause they skip like half the patterns 🤓

[broken creek]

3 scythe throws 🥀

i also had a weak build and wasnt really playing too clean as you can tell by my bad positioning

like i couldve avoided a good 2-3 of those hits/evades with slightly more sense

[bitter stirrup]

My least favorite resistance loss vs Chronos is being too close to the super predictable P1 P2 scythe throw lol

[desert thistle]

purple static shock or common double strike for circe with storm ring

[bitter stirrup]

Tough, I almost never turn down Static Shock though lol

[nova oar]

I need a doom mod for mel so I can make a montage with the most kickass riffs imaginable

Although noone in this community would appreciate my amazing taste in music

[slim pike]

Static Shock is basically never wrong, unless you're using not-thanatos axe

[nova oar]

@broken creek Picking up hades 2 with a bunch of mods, should be fun

[broken creek]

ooo nice! i uninstalled again since i had zero motivation to do 67 😭 and im not much of a mod person sadly but hope you have fun!

[nova oar]

Kinda want to do 65 now 😭

See how I go

[wheat stream]

My favorite part about playing Hephaestus is the sounds i just love hearing the hammer give my enemies brain damage

[prisma monolith]

CLANG GANG

[slim pike]

CLANGCLANGCLANGCLANG

"Why do I have tinnitus suddenly?"

[bitter stirrup]

65 is soul-sucking because it's totally up to the game whether you get to play "62 but a little harder" or "67 but a little easier"

And if you're not good enough to play 67 you just lose

[radiant crag]

I'm getting so bad at i-framing Chronos

[summer elk]

Does anyone know how hazard boom affects Charon axe? Does the cleave-cast immediately cause the blast and the self-damage?

Charon Axe does not end hazard boom sooner.

[wheat stream]

Hazard boom? Is it the icarus cast leaves behind explosion?

[red fox]

It has its own timer iirc

[nova oar]

Has its own timer

[whole remnant]

im doing 65 soon

practicing skulls now i think in prep

Mel and Persephone but probably will go Mel Skulls

but i've had some fun with persephone and heph/zeus attack builds

and Hitch special O Spec room clears

think 65 is the last big challenge clear all 3 or at least UW/Surface

then i'll prob play less getting a little burnt doing every aspect 62 UW but axes and a ton of dives and now back to surface and like half done up there

[calm sorrel]

Is there anything else you have to do to unlock dream dives after waking up Hypnos?

[halcyon rain]

just keep playing

[harsh bluff]

can you guys tell me what are your favourite weapons?

its not about what is best

[prisma monolith]

Torch

[calm sorrel]

Charon ax!

[harsh bluff]

is torch fun?

[prisma monolith]

To me, yes

[harsh bluff]

the range is so short

[nova oar]

Circe

[prisma monolith]

And thats ok

[dull hound]

Thanatos axe

[harsh bluff]

i'm struggling with torch

maybe ill try it again

[bitter stirrup]

If range is your problem with it, use Eos

[nova oar]

They can't beat hecate they don't have aspects

[prisma monolith]

Or maybe the weapon isnt for you, we have 6 weapons, each with many aspects, its ok to not click with all of them

[dull hound]

Is the mod that include the path of Zagreus in H2 save compatible ?

[prisma monolith]

They made it scylla!

[nova oar]

Oh nice

[dull hound]

Like can I add it in a 80 run save ?

[prisma monolith]

Wdym save compatible

[nova oar]

?

[harsh bluff]

what is circe

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[harsh bluff]

what's eos

[prisma monolith]

Aspects

You will find out soon

[dull hound]

Sorry I'm not very good at english

[prisma monolith]

The answer is yes

[dull hound]

Thank you

[harsh bluff]

i heard strength is good

cant wait t get it

[prisma monolith]

I dont like strenght, I prefer death

[nova oar]

You're better off sticking with dd's

[whole remnant]

strength is good for low/mid fear

once scars or pain go up then death

i used both way back when i did 24/24 at 32

but by 24/24 at 50 death besides nergal+frinos

which is as high as i got since i suck at axes and nergal 60 UW is my highest clear

well used to be good with charon but drops off high fear

20 aspects UW 62 and like about a dozen 62 aspects surface, 7 aspects 62 dream dives, but no axes lol

[zealous remnant]

Need help with melenoe help us. I understand i gotta use moros keepsake in oceanes but nothing happens. What do you need to do to trigger it?

[night veldt]

Have it activate in 3 consecutive rooms in Oceanus, and then die in the 4th room

[zealous remnant]

Does trial of doom work or does it have to be a uw run?

[night veldt]

Dunno, only tried this once in a normal run

[whole remnant]

UW run

trials are mere possibilities

they'll help clear smaller prophcies like hammers and boons etc

[harsh bluff]

ahhh alright

[nova oar]

You can do it in trial of doom, and you can die in the third room

[whole remnant]

really?

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[whole remnant]

thats wild

the guide i used way back at release on switch 2 said go on an underworld run so i assumed, haveen't heard the trial thing

pretty sure i had it done by then so it was moot anyways

[zealous remnant]

Do trigger the keepsake in first and second room then die in third?

[harsh bluff]

how often to you guys take chaos?

[marsh spear]

50% of the time

Depends on doors

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[whole remnant]

i take chaos always but i play high fear its a free room on timer

usually purge the boon though

[prisma monolith]

Me, always

[harsh bluff]

alright

[prisma monolith]

I dont like chrolex

[harsh bluff]

ill try it

[nova oar]

trigger and die in the third yes

[whole remnant]

you'll like it when you have max debt and forfeit on lol

[nova oar]

Always

[whole remnant]

need it to overcome

[prisma monolith]

I just dont use those 😈

Not fun modifiers

[whole remnant]

well if you keep going up i mean

debt was one of my last

[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501204115991166986/image.png?ex=69fb38c8&is=69f9e748&hm=4942e7519731e616b7d8ae632b004f300f4094b2019dc06e5e6ca7cb3db11c9f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=690 these looks good

i will just get revival prolly

[whole remnant]

my last vows were debt/pain/grit/scars3

[whole remnant]

even without them its amazing for buying out all shops shrines and good well stuff plus final shop

i remember the good ole days having boons roll over to another page sometimes

now im like two columns and core

plus random bottom ones

[prisma monolith]

More gold than I need, the run itself usually provides enough gold

[whole remnant]

eh it depends on what shops are offering especially surface, how many midshops you hit, do you have travel deal etc

surface shrine will sometimes offer mystery and hermes boon and stuff like that

i mean its objectively the best second biome keepsake but no you're right its not necessary

[prisma monolith]

I normally dont go midshop unless its zagreus or unless the other room its blue laurel

I do take boss shops

[whole remnant]

but you have better chance of securing important core two boons/defensive boons etc... calling card is pretty niche i only take if my build is very in poor shape and denial has my hands tied, but at lower fear it can be fun

it did save a dream dive for me with mel coat had zeus rockets and denial on all attacks but heph/zeus so i needed heph attack

[prisma monolith]

For my playstyle, I dont like it

[whole remnant]

i get ephyra next and heroic volcanic strike and nitro boost lol

[whole remnant]

yeah sounds like you have a specific playstyle skipping free rooms like midshops and stuff

i've been running vow of time max since near beginning so any free room i've always jumped on

[prisma monolith]

Thats the main key, i dont run timer, every run is a free room 😌

I dont have to sacrifice rewards for the sake of time

[whole remnant]

oh yeah no timer well then any run is pretty much free

dont have to worry about optimizig

that makes more sense

most free rooms are good though other than chaos can screw you in erebus before chlorex charges

they're all rewards/shops/blessings

[tender steppe]

When I finished the game the window that said “most damage suffered” only showed two entries.

Does that mean I was only damaged twice in my entire run?

[whole remnant]

taking madea when id rather chase boons is the only bummer but some of her offerings are really good

[whole remnant]

well it means only two things damage you

how many times idk

if its a small number prob yeah

[tender steppe]

12 and 5

Nice

[willow fog]

||Icarus|| is kinda annoying to talk to

50-50 chance he immediately dips off the map like an introvert

[whole remnant]

yeah hard relationship to get going

but if you do max that relationship out lets just say it can lead to a really funny convo with dora

[prisma monolith]

Just gift before you talk

Learned that lesson from dusa

[harsh bluff]

hi i faced scylla again and died

what is the trick to beating her?

any tips?

do i kill the sirens first?

[limpid oar]

Focus the drummer honestly

[lean bronze]

but dont just look at the drummer
you will die

[next raven]

Yeah i always focus on taking out the drummer first while keeping an eye on the guitarist because she’s very fast

But the drummer is easy to get lots of burst damage on since she just sits still, and then you won’t have to worry about dodging her death pools

[whole remnant]

love my nat dex magearna

[lean bronze]

one of us! one of us! one of us!

[whole remnant]

wait for wind and waves is killing me

[lean bronze]

dont wait
just forget about it
its at least 7 months

[whole remnant]

2027!

it was announced for 2027

likely second half

[lean bronze]

nah
likely first half
sv been the main game for far longer than normal now

hope they wont botch it like za

[whole remnant]

hope you're right

just a major title they usually would wait until at least summer

[harsh bluff]

you know what?

[lean bronze]

for the kids who arent allowed to play if they have school that day
since pokemon is technically made for them

[harsh bluff]

i feel like playing axe improved my micro

[whole remnant]

yeah i didn't play ZA... i got less and less interested as more came out, i was playing DKB and MKW, i tried it on a friednds

[harsh bluff]

now its not as shyt anymore

[whole remnant]

i wasn't impressed with the battle system

just makes spamming attacks optimal in order of cooldown/effectiveness than dodge

SV i liked

[lean bronze]

you quite literally cant dodge in pvp also

[nova oar]

Even tho most of it are the incel nintengooners

[whole remnant]

i didn't try pvp the combatt system and small city alone had me turned off. i thought maybe later... but yeah its just never seemed worth the massive price tag for medium amount of meh content

including dlc i mean

and im not a hater

I liked SV despite its issues

[lean bronze]

after playing games like hades 2 and pragmata, i question my own sanity back then buying za AND dlc

[whole remnant]

is prag good?

[lean bronze]

swsh and sv are a lot better than za
more mons
more freedom
more land

[whole remnant]

swsh was okay, sv better with great story and dlcs

i liked PLA Arceus

[lean bronze]

i dont feel like a parent
but i sure did enjoy the game
that game awakened my 3d combat fanaticism rather than parental urges

the dual combat is really nice

[whole remnant]

but i immediately was turned off of ZA the more they released

[lean bronze]

with the hacking, dodging, and shooting all at once

[whole remnant]

i saw it up there hmm

[nova oar]

I can't afford games like that but seemed pretty cool

[whole remnant]

maybe i should try it

[nova oar]

Diana seemed really cute and a well done character

[zealous remnant]

Whats za?

[nova oar]

Pokemon game?

[lean bronze]

ima warn you tho
its a short game, with a massive price tag
but the content is worth it id say
its at least 10 times better than za

[whole remnant]

i'll consider it

not jumping to any decisions

[lean bronze]

[whole remnant]

ZA is Pokemon Legends ZA

a non mainline game

[nova oar]

If i'm paying 100 big ones then I want at least 100 hours of content in most cases

[whole remnant]

second in the legends series

[nova oar]

My one exception was probably doom tda

[whole remnant]

most were disappointed after the first legends while lacking on graphics had a charm to it

[lean bronze]

if youre aiming for content then prag wont give you what you want

[nova oar]

I'm not a massive story gamer so yeah

[whole remnant]

DKB and Emerald Rush and Hades 2 have given me most content on Switch 2

[nova oar]

A good youtube essay on the game will do it for me

[whole remnant]

followed by MKW and Silksong

[nova oar]

Silksong my beloved

Super excited for sea of sorrow

[whole remnant]

me too although i hope they don;t crank up act 3 difficulty even more

like i could 100% it but man