h2-builds-and-combat

[manic shuttle]

Only aspects which require specific casts are Circe and Charon

My goto casts in general are S(Hestia, Demeter), A(Zeus, Aphro, Pos), B(Apollo, Hera, Heph)

I sometimes take Ares cast too to fill a slot haha

Or if I have heph in the pool and could get their duo

[tame vector]

I see, now I understand where i was flawed in my reasoning

Thanks!!

[manic shuttle]

Np

[manic shuttle]

Ok Momus without Mirrored Trasher start feels terrible

[smoky current]

Is there is a strategy guide for each weapon?

[opal pecan]

Check the pins

[smoky current]

Thank

[smoky current]

Did check the unique pin, it's about combo and stuff of everything. I'm more like what each weapon do what and how to use them

[opal pecan]

Scroll down to the weapon-specific sections

There's a table of contents on the side you can use to navigate more quickly to the bit you want :)

[smoky current]

Gonna try, thank again

[vital wave]

Does Selene's keepsake breaks fate's whim ?

[magic grove]

no

[vital wave]

okkk tysm !

[uneven palm]

Aw my baby’s pinned

[magic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-kneel-aiiieee-gif-25204089

insanely well written guide thank you

[glossy jetty]

THE MESSIAH

ALL HAIL

[pure steppe]

Whats the typical fates whim grasp people use?

[opal pecan]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

Tweak based on your specific aspect

[pure steppe]

ok yeah ive had that on since 1.0 dropped i thought thered be something new i havent thought of 😭

[flint widget]

meta hasnt changed at all

for high fear staff is still the goat, for speedrunning skull is still the goat

[pure steppe]

Circe?

idk rn nergal is fun because i hate vow of scars i dont wanna use dds i wanna use strength

[flint widget]

well i mean youre just limiting yourself by not using dds in general tho for nergals case specifically, its optimal to choose strength over death

[pure steppe]

yeah i havent done 62 on anything else yet

i dont really run that high of a fear usually but i realized nergal might make it really easy

[hollow stag]

Does Apollo Extra Dose Boon work on Dash Strikes?

[pure steppe]

it works on omega moves

i dont think iit works on cast tho

[flint widget]

whats ur fear pb

[pure steppe]

uh before vow of rivals came out i did like 45

after vow of rivals the highest ive done is 40 with rivals on im slowly getting back into it

I could probably do 56 fear easy tho

45 fear was with mel daggers and than axe

[uneven palm]

Yes

[pure steppe]

OHJHHH extra dose i thought you ment talent for a sec

[magic grove]

are you used to hordes 3 / scars 3 / pain 3 etc?

cause the jump from ~50 to 62 is massive

[pure steppe]

i was not using scars 3 but i used pain 3 and hordes 3

i know it a big jump but i managed to get through surface 1 and die at charybdis at my second attempt so it is doable

[hollow stag]

How about Poseidon Attack?

[magic grove]

yeah it's definitely doable

[spare slate]

yo whats the best special boon for shiva coat?

[lyric summit]

Probably Hera or Zeus

Either work, great crowd control/damage

[spare slate]

im using apollo special rn cuz the aoe is insane

[lyric summit]

I do love me an Apollo Special though since it's massive

[opal pecan]

Is there any aspect in the game where Hera special would be bad

[lyric summit]

Oh lol

[pure steppe]

I kinda wish the meta shifted more

it gets really stale at times

[opal pecan]

I feel like you could argue there are some where Zeus special might be bad but not Hera

[spare slate]

hm maybe torch because its very close range or smth

[opal pecan]

Nah, Hera special is great on torches

[spare slate]

lol

[opal pecan]

It's not that close-range

[spare slate]

i wouldnt know, because i suck with torches

[lyric summit]

Ye she's great on special with torch

As is Zeus 😂

If in doubt, just chuck one of them into your build

[spare slate]

true true

[spiral wadi]

prob non hel skull?

[devout ermine]

i mean its decent on medea

[spiral wadi]

like wouldn't be bad but doesn't really do much compared to hera atk

[devout ermine]

right

hera attack on medea truly is a beautiful thing

[spiral wadi]

indeed

too bad i don't play skulls they feel too funky

except hel, hel is peak

[devout ermine]

ive been trying to learn hel

my fav skull is medea

[pure steppe]

hel is rlly fun but medea is just the best or second best aspect in the game

[spiral wadi]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[pure steppe]

you could genuinely take any boon on any slot and demolish a run if you know how to use it

and its just load one attack and special and do that 1000 times and you win

its not even difficult to use or anything

with zeus special and any origination god on attack you kinda just win

ares for heinous affront is best tho

im in the middle of a 56 fear run w it and i have no special or attack boons w possesed array and im breezing through thesally

[spiral wadi]

yea that's the thing is skulls ends up being find parray or die

[devout ermine]

hehe i have a funny rn, reward reward reward showed up on my echo and my last reward was hammer,,

[pure steppe]

I LOST CUZ I HAD NO SPECIAL OR ATTACK BOONS 😭

[pure steppe]

nah on medea you dont need literally anything it just works

[spiral wadi]

when i was on the 48/48 62f grind, skulls was giving me a hard ass time until i got parray and won

besides perseph, like that aspect suffers from ppl playing parray on it still but i like actually playing funny car

just a little annoying getting olympian dmg on it on forfeit

medea just has a crazy survivability problem that doesn't exist in anyfear but very much exists in high fear

in my essay i will explain why eos is actually the best aspe

[flint widget]

TRUE

persephone when u use the aspect

actually so fun on my life

[spare slate]

bru i js had an amazing run but charybdis just had to ruin it

[zenith olive]

Only time I tried used persephone I got my ass beat very quickly

Did not understand how youre supposed to play it at all

[rare horizon]

how do i get good a making builds, bc rn if i dont follow a build video im cooked

[austere trail]

kinda just experience

the pinned guide also gives you reasons as to why certain builds work well

[split igloo]

Charybdis is easy, just simply walk from one end of the arena to the other during the projectile spam attack

[dense shadow]

is ther e afun nergal build

i mean theres the thirst on weapons i just wana play around with weapons you know

[dense shadow]

amd dash yeah

[wanton gale]

Man ive been playing with staff my first 30 hours. I would love to get into the other weapons for the prophecies and nightmare but im just not feeling them.

Anyone else feel like this? I didnt have that issue in the first game. I liked the majority of the weapons there

[dense shadow]

wwas stuck using mel daggers till i discovered circe staff

[split igloo]

H2's weapons are overall much better balanced, all are good, whereas in H1 the sword and spear were much weaker than the rest

and only 2 aspects are stinkers (Pan and Selene) whereas H1 had tons of bad ones

[opal pecan]

Selene is Fine, Actually

[split igloo]

you get a nerfed mel coat with a bad hex you can't replace

[opal pecan]

It's not a bad hex

[split igloo]

but sure, you can still beat the game with this

[opal pecan]

The aspect doesn't fulfill its maximum potential, but it doesn't take away anything from the core strengths of the coat

[split igloo]

default coat is much faster

you lose the speed bonuses

[opal pecan]

The coat as a weapon, not Mel coat specifically

And wrt Sky Fall, I believe it's literally the only damaging hex in the game that instantly procs its effect with zero delay or animation lag

The omega-focused upgrades are lackluster, but the base hex is fine and even well suited to the weapon

[wanton gale]

In my limited experience coats seem to be very bad bit that could just be me

[opal pecan]

If it were available to all aspects I literally would take it over at least half of the other options in the board

It's (mostly) just you

[split igloo]

it's one of the easier weapons to clear the game with, just spam dash strikes up close and rockets from mid-range, high damage, very mobile

[opal pecan]

You've just got to build and play towards its strengths

And avoid the pitfalls (e.g. focusing on omega attack too much on the non-Shiva coats)

[split igloo]

whenever you unlock a new weapon/aspect, there's usually a new Chaos trial for it, that's a great way to check out how it works

because you get a pre-made build

[opal pecan]

Ehhhhhhh I dispute the Chaos trails being good for it

[wanton gale]

Interesting that sound more like the hades 1 strats hehe

[opal pecan]

Yeah, it strongly rewards dashabouting

[wanton gale]

Yeah ive done them all. My worst one was the coat

[zenith olive]

I feel like coat is Very similar to shield on h1

[opal pecan]

Like, can you make "exclusively Zeus and Hera" work? Sure. But it's hard and it isn't what you're looking for in a normal coat run.

They are not meant as introductions to the aspect.

They are just challenges.

[split igloo]

don't use the block on the coat, it's bad

[opal pecan]

.

[split igloo]

if anything the coat is like the fists in H1, but you get freaking rockets instead of the uppercut on your special

and you also get a jetpack so you move much faster

[opal pecan]

TFW fists and rail made a baby

[wanton gale]

Thinking of trying out medea skull, what boons to look out for?

[split igloo]

Zeus special

[opal pecan]

Thought-exercise: What are Medea's strengths and how can you complement them?

[split igloo]

something percentage based on attack

Zeus special is very important though, due to how Medea works blitz will pop instantly if put on the special

I believe the meta build is hera attack / zeus special, you get crowd control via hitch and instant origination

[opal pecan]

The specific logic behind that is that Medea works by loading up charges of ammo, then hitting an enemy with your special to detonate all your charges; when you do that, the special procs before the attack.

[split igloo]

but something like demeter attack / zeus special can also be great

[opal pecan]

If, however, you are playing in a way that is not Meta Optimized, such as letting the charges detonate on their own instead of using your special, or such as using omega attacks a lot, then the Blitz special is not doing anything for you.

Getting a sense for this kind of thing will be helpful in improvising your own builds rather than relying on guides.

[split igloo]

with frenzy 0 Medea is pretty easy to play, just attack once then special once, repeat over and over

you don't have to worry about picking up shells if you do it this way

[zenith olive]

Why once?

Shouldnt attack twice be the most efficient

[split igloo]

it's faster

[zenith olive]

Use 2 bombs on one special, have 2 bombs for the next special whoch Will gather the previous 2

[uneven palm]

Special hits hard too. Optimal DPS is attack-special rapid fire

[spare slate]

i just won with shiva coat, hera special and hestia attack

its insane

[split igloo]

you will move much slower if you prime 2 skulls each time

[zenith olive]

This makes sense

[spiral wadi]

fr

the only annoying part is that the immunity frames drops right after car ends

so it's like u can get trolled and get hit before u realize car time is over

[zenith olive]

I feel like thats a constant problem in the game

[spiral wadi]

and not particularly fun to look at the car duration at the bottom left when the action is in middle of screen so implement stamina meter from breath of the wild

[zenith olive]

Same for the invulneradbility hex

[spiral wadi]

i mean hexes have SFX that ticks when ur close to dark side ending

so ig that could be nice to have for perseph car too

[zenith olive]

The ticking sounds is so weird tho

Always sounds like theres a couple seconds left still and suddenly just ends

[spiral wadi]

def ye

and doesn't help if there's a lot of action going on that makes it hard to listen for it

[zenith olive]

It should speed up and tick a lot wuicker close to the end

[spiral wadi]

could

it's also funny that security system also has sfx but it's only 1 tick for 1 second

and also ass if ur in an asphodel encounter when it takes like a million years for the first enemy to spawn so security just disappears right after

[opal pecan]

SS is less like a ticking clock and more like a warning bell, yeah

It also sucks for like, Tartarus c1

[spiral wadi]

tru

[opal pecan]

Buff SS to only start counting down when the first enemy in the encounter spawns :(

[spiral wadi]

ye that'd be lit for thessaly encounters as well

on the topic of heph boons

[dense haven]

Love that fat man (heph I mean)

[spiral wadi]

molten touch is weird cuz if u want armor shredding u'd just pick up hammer that shreds armor instead

and mt doesn't scale armor shredding either since armor shred is applied at near end of calc

[opal pecan]

Maybe on some weapons, but I almost never go for the Melting hammer on coat tbh

[dense haven]

Well id assume while yes, its better to get hammers, you arent always garunteed the hammer option, plus there are better hammers for most of the weapons

[spiral wadi]

ye heph is lit

[spiral wadi]

oh yea melting on coat is ass

[opal pecan]

Imagine not working with dash strike

Weaksauce!!!!!

[spiral wadi]

very tru yea

[dense haven]

I mean its likely not the ONLY source of redundancy boon-wise

[spiral wadi]

ye there's def a few boons that are funky like that

[dense haven]

I do t really go fo much armor... though now I kinda wanna build around it lol

[spiral wadi]

yea i think i remember there were theoreticals about security system heavy metal for hydro might at home

[opal pecan]

Yuss

[spiral wadi]

unfortunately heavy metal applies at end of calc before any multipliers so it's just flat dmg that doesn't scale

so really primarily for multi-hit stuffs like coat or hel skull

even then i'd rather blast if i want offensive heph lolol

[opal pecan]

My boon preferences being affected by what weapons I usually play? Can't imagine how that could happen

[spiral wadi]

tru

time to play omega cast build on medea

artemis in h1 had a boon that gave crit chance on armored enemies right

oh ig it amped up crit effects on armor rather than direct crit chance

would be nutty if molten was like olympian dmg on armor

[final sedge]

Wild idea

[dense haven]

I just love casts... am simple minded

Even h1 I loved posiedon and hera aspects

[final sedge]

feels weird I had to look that up for hades 1, as I forgot what those were for a sec before remembering.

[dense haven]

Lol yeah its been awhile since ive played them though

[dense haven]

Anyone ever gotten hestia legendary, with ares/demeter duo?

[crude comet]

Im terrible with axe. Any recommendations on builds to start with? Any aspect. I prefer fast in your face weapons generally.

[opal pecan]

Have you checked the pinned guide?

[crude comet]

Nope, new here and didn't know where to start;) ill check pinned comments (i didn't see a guide channel, I at least checked that lol)

[opal pecan]

It's a pretty good intro!

[dense haven]

I will never not recommend charon axe, but its more Unga bunga even then mel axe. Thanatos axe might be a good middle ground for you if you like faster weapons.

[crude comet]

Im ok with the slow, just don't know what im doing with it in h2.

[dense haven]

Well charon plays super unique so well go general: you definitely want % increase boons since its already high damage. Aphrodite is really good imo. Aphro on attack and charge up omega attack is fun lol

Its not a bad idea to dash strike into special, drop cast, and then do attacks as part of your normal attack pattern

[viral yew]

Why are we recommending anything other than ospecial on charon

[viral yew]

Apollo is better

[dense haven]

I didnt properly get my point accross. What I was meaning to say is since charon plays so unique compared to rhe other axes, I was going to recommend playstyles for the generic axes

Apollo isn't bad. Never said aphro was the end all be all. Just said its fun. Especially if you can increase cost of channeling to where you can generate a lot of heartthrobs

[viral yew]

I wouldn't really recommend heartthrobs after the nerfs either, if you do take aphro you'd want her legendary, but thats about it

Or the extra defence

[dense haven]

I mean i didnt even know they got nerfed. Tbf I just play and recommend what's fun/what works. But yeah Apollo would definitely be safer

[viral yew]

They used to not have a cap and do way more damage

[dense haven]

I didnt play EA.

[viral yew]

Shame, it was the EA build

[dense haven]

I didnt have the funds to get it around the time of EA. I got H2 as something to do while in the hospital with my wife having our son

[glossy jetty]

maybe your son should play too, could get him past 32 fear before his first steps

[dense haven]

Buddy I cant get to fear 32 XD

My highest thus far is 12

[proper cloak]

I bet your son could do it

Like, probably right now

He's probably ready

[viral yew]

Dw it's easier than you think

[proper cloak]

Still way harder than the base game, or even 12

[dense haven]

Oh its more of just getting up to that point honestly and getting used to some of the modifiers

Need to pick one weapon and master it lol

[viral yew]

Focus on that after u do all the testaments

[mental sigil]

whats the current high fear opinion on strength versus DDs? I've seen both used but I dont know what the logic is

rn I'm trying to break 45 and struggling

[spiral wadi]

if you're on scars 3 then dd becomes miles better

otherwise use whichever

[uneven palm]

I kinda break it down here https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#strength-or-death

If you’re asking about it, I’m gonna hazard a guess that Death is the play. But you can do funny stuff like Strength and an early Stalwart Stand from Athena for loads and loads of effective HP over the the run

[spiral wadi]

that is a true strat

locks u out of funny jpom tho

[opal pecan]

How many 65 clears never have Death, would you reckon?

[spiral wadi]

good question idk

i have like a few 65 clears that were deathless

i remember one of them i'd uploaded was mel axe surface ft. antler summit

[wild drift]

Sigh I choked a no TK no Death Artemis 65 last week would've been aura

[spiral wadi]

damn :(

[uneven palm]

Yeah I did that a lot before JPom existed. It was nice if rooms were a problem. Now I uhhh just kinda reset if rooms are a problem because my build is trash

I am v skilled

[spiral wadi]

the jpom experience

[zenith olive]

whats jpom

[split igloo]

post-game keepsake

[zenith olive]

i meant more what was getting shortened into jpom

but i get it then nvm

[split igloo]

jeweled pom

[icy crypt]

if you take heras atk on nergal does the dmg just snowball when you spin into a crowd

[wild drift]

Yeah that's why it's the best by far

[opal pecan]

Queen 🔥

[median anvil]

btw bacon your guide is pinned in this channel lol

[opal pecan]

Yeah, he noticed earlier today 😆

I can't believe we somehow snuck it under the radar this long

[smoky current]

I think Steady Growth can't appear as your first boon stop some abuse

Did try with reroll for a couple of attempts and I can't make it show up

[mystic mango]

Was gonna say yeah you gotta reroll to get a non-core boon as your first but it’s probably hard coded to require at least one other boon for it to appear

I can’t say it would be especially powerful since you’d still have to play region 1 boonless effectively

[smoky current]

Problem is that nothing show up on the list of requirements

[smoky current]

Not, just the first room. After that, you get crazy powerful boon

[mystic mango]

It probably functions the same way as Rare Crop did in H1 where it needs something else to be able to target. It can activate on itself but it needs something else to be able to appear

[mystic mango]

I mean it’s not really any different from getting it as your second boon if you got Demeter room 2

My point of saying boonless region 1 was so you could get it to upgrade itself to heroic if you didn’t get epic

[smoky current]

Activated on itself would be other level of powerful 🤣🤣🤣

[mystic mango]

I mean I’m pretty sure from experience I’ve seen it hit itself once or twice during a run which is only good if it happens very early in a run

[smoky current]

Seriously!!!

[mystic mango]

Also it’s a lot stronger on surface because of how many encounters happen in Thessaly compared to any underworld region

Entering a ship and every time you interact with the wheel counts as encounter for steady growth

[smoky current]

But anyway, I'm kind of bored

I don't know which switch I've hit by calming grampa but a can barely bear the game now

And I still don't get how to use the mech suit and the skulls

The guide didn't help me at all

[viral yew]

Skulls is just spamming attack and hitting special once in a while to get them back

mech suit is spamming dash attack and special while ignoring omegas

[smoky current]

I think the mech suit is kind of everything

But you have to know what you're doing

Unless dash attack is truly that crazy

[viral yew]

No it's just dash attack and specials

[viral yew]

If you build it right yea

[smoky current]

Probably why I don't have any clear with the suit

[mystic mango]

Can confirm from beating 62 fear and speedrunning on coat it is all dash attacks and normal specials

At all fear levels it is just spamming dash attacks and special

The only reason you use omegas is to activate huntress

Then you turn on auto fire and go to town

[somber beacon]

I honestly don't know what they were thinking with coat omega special

[mystic mango]

It’s really not a bad move tbh

It has its uses

[somber beacon]

I can't imagine ever using it it's soo slow and barely fires more missiles than just using normal special

[mystic mango]

You use it for setups on enemy spawns

Not in the middle of a fight

[spare slate]

can yall recommend me some consistent surface builds?

[mystic mango]

You chuck some rockets at one side of the room with omega special then go run off and fight the other side

[manic shuttle]

Keyboard players use normal attacks too but they're inconvenient on controller, because they move you towards enemies. As a controller player myself special & dash strike spam all the way ye

[somber beacon]

I guessss so

[mystic mango]

The one that kills stuff 🤷‍♂️ not really anything different about surface

[mystic mango]

I mean you do need MORE damage to deal with surface since the enemies are tankier but like you’re already overkilling underworld enemies usually

Like there isn’t a “underworld vs surface” when it comes to making builds

They’re all just builds

[somber beacon]

you'll be taking more damage probably so I guess get yourself heph for some armor

[mystic mango]

Surface just hits harder and has tankier enemies. I mean the harpies in Thessaly have about as much health as the satyr hoplites in Tartarus

And they hit as hard or harder when you consider they can hit you twice

So like 🤷‍♂️ take more survivability if you need it but that’s all I can really say

Hit stuff harder and get hit less

[viral yew]

If it works on uw it works on sf

[mystic mango]

#h2-victory-boasting message @spare slate if you want a Moros build idea this was what I used for Moros UW speedrun PB but it would really just be the same thing on surface

[spare slate]

bet

[mystic mango]

Attack on Moros prefers percent buffs because the attack explosions hit like a truck

Then put some flat buff on your special like waves, scorch or blitz

[spare slate]

oh bet

[mystic mango]

Hidden helix makes your omega attacks way faster to where they come out every second instead of every third attack

[spare slate]

i dont have moros fully upgraded tho

[mystic mango]

So then you can use stuff like Ocean Swell or Fine Line

[spare slate]

would that be a problem?

[mystic mango]

It just buffs the damage the explosions do so I mean kinda but they’d still be pretty strong

[spare slate]

kk ty

i'll try it out after my current run

[mystic mango]

Really like Moros and Torches in general are pretty flexible on what you can do with them

They don’t really rely on specific hammers but there are ones that are very good like Sudden Burst and Hidden Helix

[spare slate]

oh alright

[mystic mango]

(hidden helix sadly not being available on Eos though)

Eos is also an incredible aspect

[spare slate]

yo guys

what are yalls favorite builds?

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490810072056463524/754FA41.MP4?ex=69f5b553&is=69f463d3&hm=660bcd605b21b735d7657dcca426e3ad6822aa7db9e94cf19c1f0d21f5f4c926&

Ares Moros is funny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490816274320724130/image.png?ex=69f5bb19&is=69f46999&hm=b857b293b830c6e33e55f1aae1390127c89aa7ccb36b2a83c221f6702152313d&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490818496995524781/33E5DB1.MP4?ex=69f5bd2b&is=69f46bab&hm=5133f0c11427501f445face909f2ab2e6e8c392de2da76b0c31f82250cfc02be&

Pretty much every attack speed buff I could get

To where even with sudden burst I was getting 3 normal attacks in between every single omega attack

[gritty widget]

did the enemies get a flashing lights warning when they signed up?

[mystic mango]

No

We flashbang everybody zero warning

#h2-victory-boasting message

Link to rest of the clips but spoilers in there for rivals fights or the person who hasn’t done them

[manic shuttle]

This was my most fun ares moros run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1480966333813227612/output.mp4?ex=69f57e21&is=69f42ca1&hm=8d50e720a9645d71f67d0d01f400f32361d646f5af6f55d6c3f4b068e63682aa&

[spare slate]

dang thats cool

[manic shuttle]

Fine line + cut above + ocean swell

[spare slate]

i would use this, but i suck at torches

[gritty widget]

pretty sure thats some sort of rights violation but PEAK

[manic shuttle]

You just omega special and then hold attack

[spare slate]

what about magick shortage tho

because i dont know what gain boon to take

[mystic mango]

Bruh what my discord glitched out and there's messages missing on my PC that are on my phone lol

[manic shuttle]

Hera, Apollo, Hestia, Ares, Pos gains all work but if you spend too much Magick like in my vid Hera is the way

Or Demeter + Wolf Howl

[mystic mango]

Do you play on controller?

Controller kinda stinky for torches if so

The auto aim can be a bit of an issue and aiming forces you to move in that direction

[spare slate]

yeah i play on switch 2

[mystic mango]

Darn

[spare slate]

so that could be why i dont like torches

[mystic mango]

Yeah on PC you can just... sit still and aim with mouse

[spare slate]

😭

[mystic mango]

Functional limitation of having aiming and movement dependent

[gritty widget]

as a torch main on switch: just gonna have to deal with it
i love my torches no matter what tho

[versed bear]

What's a good special/cast combo for Charon?

[manic shuttle]

Apollo and Poseidon are best for cast, for special Hera, Apollo, Dem or Ares if you can get grievous

[versed bear]

Thank you!

[bronze flax]

I am having a weird issue with Nergal where my timing for dash Omega Attack is way off and intead I do a very slow dash attack... Ah yes, great impressions I'm getting from you, Nergal

[spark grail]

Funny to see you here frankentas

Are you console or pc again I forget

[manic shuttle]

You too 😆 I play on pc

[spark grail]

Ahh so you’ve had access to the game for a while

Yeah I just got the game with console release

But I’m already so far into the game lmao

70hrs since console release

[manic shuttle]

Ye I play since 1.0 steam launch

I am close to 10x of your playtime

[spark grail]

I have about 400 in hades 1

But I see myself putting more into hades 2

Also what’s the boon set up on that build like duos and such. Cause I’m still trying to figure out all the builds and everything

[manic shuttle]

I played h1 like 200h I think, I beat 40h twice and didn't touch it again

But this games gameplay has much more variety, way more fun imo

[spark grail]

Yeah I played 30-40 on average but I got bored pretty quickly as rogues go for me

I have like thousands on dead cells

And ror2

[spark grail]

1000%

The different routes and especially the dream dives give a ton of variety

[manic shuttle]

I have 1.3k on dead cells, this game is the second most played for me

[spark grail]

I think my favorite build so far was Hel with Hestia, Aphro, Ares, Hera

Def isn’t the strongest but it was fun

[manic shuttle]

I like Hell a lot too, it was factually buffed this patch, was weaker but I even liked it then

[spark grail]

It’s weird

But overall the skull is just very strong

Minimum A tier for all the aspects imo

Maybe Hel in B

[manic shuttle]

This game is not dependant on duo boons like the first game, you can make all aspects work with base boons

[spark grail]

The build I was using was using hestia attack ares special

[manic shuttle]

There's a pinned link for build ideas in this channel it's pretty good

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[lyric summit]

And I think I’m close to 1.5x of yours 😭

[spark grail]

I don’t blame you guys

[lyric summit]

Game’s kinda fun I guess

[spark grail]

I’ve already put 70hrs in less than a week

https://giphy.com/gifs/pilgrim-jamesbonkw-hollow-knight-aCTGiodVEWV1zrjXTX

[lyric summit]

Also fun

[manic shuttle]

Hera special is absolute goat for Hel, and I think Zeus is the best for attack, Hestia would be my secondary favorite

[lyric summit]

we ain’t touching steel soul ever tho

[lyric summit]

It’s kinda crazy how some builds live or die by duos in H1

looks at Mercy End

[spark grail]

Yeah I’m still readjusting from h1 of Zeus being pretty underwhelming

Oh I can’t swear

[manic shuttle]

Yea definitely not a good game design

[spark grail]

Or heartrend

[lyric summit]

I can get these boons or I can get Merciful and win

[manic shuttle]

I don't remember h1 Zeus much tbh but Zeus and Hera are the strongest gods in this game

[lyric summit]

For H2, just replace Merciful with Zeus 🫢

[spark grail]

Hitch in general is crazy

We love quadratic scaling around here

[manic shuttle]

Yea makes the game way easier especially surface

[spark grail]

I’ll keep that in mind

I’m still pretty new to H2 so I don’t know everything yet

[lyric summit]

Zeus Hera and Heph are incredibly strong together. Good balance of Damage, Crowd control and defence

Others totally work too. Pretty sure you can get away with almost anything up until 65+ 😄

[spark grail]

Another really fun build I liked was using the hammer on staff that makes your attacks double but cost magick, running that with blitz, chain lightning, and the lightning on magick use

Super fun

[lyric summit]

Mirrored Thrasher is a beauty

Slap on cardio gain and you have infinite double attacks

[spark grail]

Yep

My highest fear clear was 40 so far. But I’m only 70hrs in so

[lyric summit]

40 fear after 70 hrs is great progress jfc

Which aspect are you favouring? 👀

[spark grail]

Funny enough NOT Medea

But between Thanatos, Melspect Revaal,

Hmm let me think of the third

[lyric summit]

It’s fine I kinda hate Medea too

[spark grail]

Probably Morrigan, morrigan is super fun

[lyric summit]

They’re all great 👌

[spark grail]

Damn I can’t say anything

[lyric summit]

Damn you gotta watch your language 😛

[spark grail]

[lyric summit]

Morgan deffo took some getting used to for me when starting 😬

[spark grail]

Medea cramps my fingers like crazy

[lyric summit]

Saaaaaame

[spark grail]

Playing it fully optimally

[lyric summit]

Vow of arthritis goes hard

[spark grail]

The flow of morrigan is sooooo good though oughh

[lyric summit]

It’s great

Heck it doesn’t even need Triad if you have Final Slice + Apollo😂

[manic shuttle]

Yea Medea is the best aspect to ruin all your hand joints

[bronze flax]

I had to take a break of the game for like 4 days after winning at 50F with Mel's Coat

I still don't understand what happened

[spark grail]

I miss Malphon lmao

[lyric summit]

So you can play it in two ways

[lyric summit]

Vow of Gamepad 😭

Kbm players laughing at us by just clicking on their mouse

[spark grail]

It’s like Beowulf levels of strength but requires you to slam your fingers into dust

[lyric summit]

God don’t remind me. Spamming dash attacking over and over to apply Mercy was probably the worst feeling for my joints 😂

[spark grail]

Demeter was so cool though

Demeter giga cutter with the projectile

[lyric summit]

It’s nice yeah. Was the only fisty cuff I ever managed 32H on

Nem, Achilles, Chaos, Rama, Dem, Hest

Stopped playing cuz I wasn’t good enough 🫠

[spark grail]

I think wholeheartedly though, the main thing I miss from hades one

Was honestly hades himself

[lyric summit]

Oh lmao you got timed out for profanity 😭

waits 20 minutes

[spark grail]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-metroman-my-death-was-greatly-exaggerated-gif-19307347

[spare slate]

lol what even happened

[spark grail]

I kept on subconsciously using faint profanity

[spare slate]

o

[lyric summit]

Man was dropping the F bomb every second smh

Totally happened 👀

[opal pecan]

Watching people absolutely crush dream dives on various weapons made me consider doing the prophecy for diving on every weapon, but then I realized that if I did that, I would have to play an entire run with the axe.

It's possible that the last time I did a run with the axe was last year

[bronze flax]

I am starting to have my issues with axes (except Charon lol)

I completed that prophecy with Mel's Axe, so that's cool at least

[opal pecan]

Mel needs her sleep and so does her axe ig

[rare grove]

Remap special to another button

[rare grove]

take Thanatos and aim for premium service with heph and some ares plasma, it becomes a de facto chainsaw

[opal pecan]

The amount of sheer agony I had to drag myself through just to get Premium Service one (1) time for the prophecy 🙃

[somber beacon]

in light of recent messages in #h2-victory-boasting i must ask, am i the only person who has attack on A and special on X? (and dash on right trigger, but surely thats common)

[viral yew]

You are yes

[spare slate]

lol

[rare grove]

I have attack on 9:00, dash on 6:00, cast on left back button and special on right back button

[manic shuttle]

A is interact for me lol

[rare grove]

I don’t feel like translating different controllers lol

[somber beacon]

ok THATS crazy... youre wasting such important controller real estate!

[manic shuttle]

Interact is used a lot, most important button for sure 💀

[lyric summit]

Man’s been clearing out 65s with a handicap 💀

Insane

[somber beacon]

i gotta respect it

[viral yew]

I have special on right trigger

dash on A, attack on X

[spare slate]

im gonna crash out bro

[manic shuttle]

I mapped dash to lb and cast to rt so A becomes empty lol

[spare slate]

eris js killed me again

[lyric summit]

I considered doing that for Charon specifically. But muscle memory kept messing up my inputs lol

[somber beacon]

i never liked pressing bumpers, on xbox controllers at least

[viral yew]

Half the reason why I did it lol

[lyric summit]

Now I just slide from Y to A like an idiot

…still worked. But i can’t recommend it 😓

[somber beacon]

i have cast on left trigger in hades 1 but in hades 2 i just have it on B because idk. the way its used doesnt necessitate having it right there, compared to how it was nice to be able to attack AND load your casts into aspect of hera simultaneously

[zenith olive]

yall play controller?

[spare slate]

i do

[somber beacon]

the game recommended it to me on the main menu and i would never disobey the games orders

[lyric summit]

Steam deck 👌

[lyric summit]

Also nice bad end theatre pfp

[somber beacon]

i do enjoy hades 2 on my steam deck but i still prefer an xbox controller above anything else

[spare slate]

i play on switch 2

[lyric summit]

Used to use procon before getting the deck. Both feel nice tbh

[viral yew]

Most people do yes

[hollow stag]

Does Blackened Fleece keepsake stay active if you take it off?

[final sedge]

i'd like to know also

[lyric summit]

If I recall, it doesn’t

Fang or Antler are generally better options tbh tho 👀

[viral yew]

No, and never take it anyway

[zenith olive]

how does aiming work on controller?

[opal pecan]

"Annoyingly" according to some complaints I've seen haha

[somber beacon]

auto aim works well for everything except the special for the coat, which works fine but requires you to be looking/moving in the direction you want to fire, instead of being able to fire omnidirectionally while moving like you can on m+kb

[final sedge]

I've never played with mouse, and aim seems fine for everything from my perspective.

[hollow stag]

If I remove the only sole boon I have from a God, let’s say Demeter plentiful forage

Is Demeter still in my God pool?

[fleet kite]

If you accepted it and purge later, yes she is

God pool is only bypassed if you purge the boon off the floor with time piece, or vow of forfeit turns it into an onion

[viral yew]

Yes

[drifting rose]

Is blitz form Zeus booms rlly good on every weapon aspect?

[opal pecan]

Yes, as is Hitch from Hera.

(Although Hitch is easier to get from Hera than Blitz is to get from Zeus, since she has it on four of her five core boons whereas Zeus only has Blitz on two of the five.)

(So for instance, Charon might deprioritize Zeus since the Charon moveset focuses on omega special and cast -- it rarely uses attack, which takes out 50% of the Blitz boons already, and Zeus' cast and gain boons are actively bad on Charon, whereas plenty of other gods like Apollo or Hera will be nice to have as the special boon and also have decent casts/gains.)

[drifting rose]

Would zues be good for aspet of negal?

[uneven palm]

On cast or special yeah, but it’s probably not a world-beater on attack

[clever trail]

i was wondering what is the best pet to get with scythe thanatos axe, because i've always used frinos and manage to get 59 to the surface but i feel like i can't go further anymore

[spiral wadi]

high fear surface it's basically mandatory to run gale

enemies do far more dmg from single hits, and they're also usually more annoying to react to depending on fang combos and how they fire off screen etc

[drifting rose]

Could Hera work

[clever trail]

allright i'm going to test

[spiral wadi]

hera's one of the best attack cores for nergal

[opal pecan]

There really isn't any aspect where Hera doesn't work

[spiral wadi]

ye hera's got a strong boon pool

[wanton gale]

Guys im looking to learn charon axe. What in sence of build am i looking for? I know apollos magick regen is a must but what more to look for?

[austere trail]

super nova (also from apollo)
geyser spout from poseidon
cleaver hammers
exceptional talent

[opal pecan]

Have you looked at the Charon section of the pinned guide?

[wanton gale]

No, how do i see the pin?

[hollow stag]

What’s your 2nd favorite hammer for hidden Axe aspect?

[wanton gale]

Do you do origination with poseidon and apollo ?

[opal pecan]

Click on the icon in the top right corner of discord that looks like 📌 (but grey)

It's between the Notifications 🔔 and People icons

[wanton gale]

Oh i found it. Yeah ive seen it but honestly he says go for like 5 different things and it isnt that direct honestly. Some are great but others he gives like a general build. Im looking for something more specific. No hate, love the guy

[opal pecan]

No. The Charon section. It's specifically about Charon and gives specifics.

Like, there are suggestions for specific boons and arcana and hammers and everything.

It even has "how to start a Charon build" suggestions.

[somber beacon]

do yall think the game is too jpom-centric now? i think fates whim is cool to incentivize "going with the flow", unlike in hades 1 where every time you played beowulf you would take poseidon region 1 and then artemis region 2 to get mirage shot. fates whim solves that, but now i just never wanna play without it. like i dont find myself crafting fun interesting builds that rely on specific duos/legendaries as much. i just take whatever i find and it wins because all my boons have juiced up levels and i have infinite money from chrolex

if i REALLY want a particular olympian, like apollo on charon, i dont wanna give up the power boost from fates whim just to take his keepsake, so ill likely just reset until i see him in ephyra. is this just a me problem

[opal pecan]

I mean, you are probably still angling for some specific pool of boons if you want to minmax/push for speed or Fear

You still see some speedrunners going for god keepsakes out the door, and some of the pickier aspects also incentivize it

[thin gazelle]

I think reroll builds are still viable compared to FW, I mean regions like Ephyra are built for it

[opal pecan]

Having played both, I think the sneaky annoyance about running rerolls actually isn't giving up the jpom power -- it's giving up the Grasp so you can afford reroll corner

Jpom power is the big flashy opportunity cost, but the grasp is really annoying

[somber beacon]

oh for sure, thats why i like surface because ephyra quickly gives you a choice of 4 different olympians to pick and choose from (or quickly reset). but also, i think for most players who arent trying to push fear, theres even less incentive to not use jpom. like even in situations where keepsakes are OPTIMAL for a high skill player, there arent nearly as many situations where its more FUN for a regular player, compared to how fun it is to get a bunch of levels

and the grasp is another big thing i totally forgot, its another thing pushing you toward fates whim. another thing making keepsakes kinda hard to justify unless youre really doing something specific and playing at a high level

[opal pecan]

As to casual play, I'm afraid I can't really comment on that -- not because I'm not a casual player myself, but because I specifically avoided using rerolls and god keepsakes in my first playthrough even before I had access to jpom lol

AKA I have always considered "eh, whatever, just roll with it" a more fun playstyle regardless of jpom

[somber beacon]

not that keepsakes are bad or anything of course, im not saying keepsakes are unusable. just that i think fates whim is so good and incentivized that it feels like we're not free from keepsake-reroll hell, but more like "under new management"

i also enjoy a just roll with it playstyle, i always take grave thirst even after 100%ing the game and no longer needing bones. same in hades 1. though i feel like "just rolling with it" is considerably less of a challenge when everything gets juiced up with levels AND you have the extra grasp to spend

and for example in hades 1, keepsakes meant you could force fun runs like super soaker (with zeus and poseidon) or mirage shot (poseidon and artemis). and in hades 2 i sometimes get the urge to force something fun like a master conductor build, or a heinous affront build. but that requires either resetting until i get the gods i want, OR forcing them with keepsakes and missing out on the grasp, levels, rarity, and money that fates whim gives me. and it makes the build feel a little lamer when my power level is lower than im used to with fates whim

[opal pecan]

That's the tradeoff, ig!

[thin gazelle]

FW benefits would work better as arcana options than keepsakes

[somber beacon]

it would be really sick if beating the true ending gave us a new row and/or column of crazy silly arcana, though that would probably be quite a big ask

idk, maybe ill try some keepsake runs and see if i can get myself used to no more fates whim

also it doesnt help that... what other keepsakes do you even take for the first 2/3 regions if you arent doing fates whim? i genuinely forgot 😭 i guess fig leaf?

[thin gazelle]

Athena, engraved pin, fig leaf, experimental hammer (in oceanus or Olympus)

[opal pecan]

If you aren't doing FW, you start with the god you want, then switch to Fig

Third region is pretty flexible regardless of FW or not

[somber beacon]

i usually play at low/med fear just for funsies so i usually take calling card second and chrolex third, though i know at higher fear people usually take chrolex second and calling card never?

[opal pecan]

Or rarely, anyway, but yeah, sounds about right

[somber beacon]

yeah :P

[opal pecan]

You also could work in a Hephaestus keepsake take as an alternative safety if you didn't want to disable Strength by taking Pin, Metallic Droplet for channeling-heavy aspects, Silver Wheel if you need the magick, the Purse for money even if it's not as busted as Time Piece, etc.

Phial gambling, or doing the funni Ephyra trick to control the rarify

#wehavecardathome

[somber beacon]

i like metallic droplet but i usually save it for the final region (or wantler depending on the build). though i guess droplet third and wantler fourth is still an option

[opal pecan]

Yep!

[somber beacon]

i run death anyway so nothing wrong with pin, but for a low fear fun run there isnt much point to taking it XD but for my higher fear runs i will keep that in mind, IF i ever gather the courage to do non-fates whim at higher fear

(i do usually take pin for 3rd and 4th region during my higher fear runs anyway, but if im doing keepsakes i could probably take it 2nd)

[opal pecan]

Oh yeah, and sash, I've seen some sash takes as an alternative to Heph

[somber beacon]

so whatever boon you get from chaos egg will stay after you remove chaos egg? it just will stop being randomized every 8 encounters?

[opal pecan]

Yep

I can't believe I forgot to mention Embryo but yeah that's another takeable

[somber beacon]

i never knew that interaction until recently but now i do wanna mess around with it :P

[zenith olive]

is there a website or something with a good fear setup for 40f?

[mystic mango]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMiwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[zenith olive]

thx!!!

[mystic mango]

Try this. No return, wards, hordes, forfeit or rivals 4

And only pain 1 scars 1

Very forgiving

[zenith olive]

im very afraid of denial aand normally take onion instead

but i will try it out!

[mystic mango]

It’s really not bad at all. Take time piece region 2 so you can purge boons if any gods will force you into a sacrifice

[opal pecan]

Denial is not bad at all, you just have to stay aware of what's already been denied

You do know you can check your codex to see the list, right?

[mystic mango]

Yeah just check your codex

[opal pecan]

Just remember that if a boon is currently in your build, it won't show up as denied, so also have some memory of what your current build is :P

[mystic mango]

It’s not difficult, just forces you to think a little more

[opal pecan]

Also, Duos and Legendaries cannot be forced by Denial

They are always only a %chance

[zenith olive]

wait can i check every gods boon at any moment?

[opal pecan]

Yes

[mystic mango]

You… haven’t been using your book of shadows?

[zenith olive]

oh what how

[opal pecan]

The in game timer is even paused when you are checking the codex

[mystic mango]

There’s an incantation to unlock the boon list

You can see it at any time

[zenith olive]

i mean i know i can press "i" on a boon selection screen and see what they have

and i know i can press 'c' to see like lore stuff

[mystic mango]

Though I wish that they didn’t lock you into only seeing the current god when picking a boon. Hades 1 let you open the full codex

[opal pecan]

If you press 'c', flip to that god's profile, and then press 'i' again, it shows you all their boon info

[zenith olive]

omg

lol

[opal pecan]

Prerequisites, denial state, etc.

The beef I have with it is that there's no way to preview what the boons do at different rarities/levels, but I get how that would get complicated fast haha

[zenith olive]

i thought i had to be selecting a boon from the god to be able to see it 😭

[opal pecan]

Nerp, like Kol said the Codex view is actually more flexible than the in-selection-screen view

[mystic mango]

Also that if I’m in a boon choice menu I have to memorize the other gods if I didn’t check before-hand

Which is really annoying

[opal pecan]

Gotta get in the habit!

[mystic mango]

I have to remember if I already denied everybody else’s special or something

[zenith olive]

pressing c pauses timer?

[opal pecan]

Yes

[zenith olive]

awesome

gonna be my first time trying time 3 im guessing im gonna have to take most rooms that stop the timer

[opal pecan]

The speedrunners actually specifically banned opening the codex when the timer is running because they were like "don't... don't frickin cheese this, y'all, that's too ridiculous"

[opal pecan]

I believe in you! The game has many such rooms 💪

[mystic mango]

Yeah codex freezes IGT but doesn’t freeze the game like pausing normally

I specifically rebound my codex to O so that I’d never accidentally press it and invalidate a run

[zenith olive]

I also dont understand yalls beef with return it seems pretty manageable to me

[opal pecan]

YOOOOO codex rebind key twinsies

You See, O Is The Second Letter

[mystic mango]

Okay whats your highest fear and fastest run?

[zenith olive]

so im taking -1 debt which i hate and +1 return for my 40f because i think im a bit too reliant on money

[mystic mango]

Cause like… it’s not annoying on 32 fear if you’re running 15 minutes

Just take time piece

Debt is a joke if you take time piece region 2 and start with boatman arcana

[opal pecan]

Yes but then I wouldn't be able to take Fig Leaf region 2

[mystic mango]

But like I really don’t think people get just how much more annoying return is when you CANT GET HIT

And when fighting timer requires really good and consistent gameplay

[zenith olive]

21min 24f for surface and 20min 32f for underworld

[mystic mango]

Okay so you’re not running time 3 so then you haven’t experienced return

You have the liberty of spending time chasing them

And aren’t running high pain and scars

Also no hordes 3

Return is whatever at low-mid fear

But it’s incredibly annoying at high fear

[zenith olive]

i see

makes sense

[mystic mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1490810072056463524/754FA41.MP4?ex=69f65e13&is=69f50c93&hm=44414a57d0284319d9fb09d8bcfbc16c8ff28a23efa17316a1bec24ccba63bbe&

See how much longer this room took because of return

Because I didn’t prioritize it

It’s not bad when you’re only fighting like 5-10 enemies per room

But also consider that revenants count towards enemy count

If you don’t pick two up then the next wave won’t spawn until you pick one up

So if you’re fighting 2-4 waves per room you’re constantly chasing down revenants so you don’t time out

It’s never that the pieces of high fear are particularly bad on their own

It’s that combining every one of them together makes every aspect that much harder to deal with

Take return if you want @zenith olive but you’re gonna have to either turn off time 3 or play a lot faster

[zenith olive]

i took it on instead of debt and am now speedrunning as fast as i can through it all with medea bombs

thx for all the tips

got a pretty good build going too so far, hestia cast and zeus special

with aphro on efira so praying to be able to get her attack

[mystic mango]

Well hope you don’t time out or die to Promacles because you’re forced to rush

Olympus is a crap chute where you either get through it in 4 minutes or die after 8 minutes

[opal pecan]

TBH the scope of the concerns with Return depends a bit on the aspect

I'm not really a high Fear runner myself, but I had max Return max Time on both my 40s

.........which were played with Mel coat, the aspect with the built in speed boost

[mystic mango]

Yeah on weapons that can clear a huge group super fast and then run around picking up revenants it’s pretty tame

But you also run into the issue of killing a group too fast and now you can’t pick everything up fast enough

And now you gotta kill everything again

[warm helm]

Fish rooms:

[mystic mango]

See above video lol

Where I’m just having fun and not caring about revenants

[opal pecan]

No Fun Allowed

[mystic mango]

You have to actively deal with them or you’re screwed

[mystic mango]

At least serpents and fish have a high likelihood that they drop revenants into the water and they disappear

You don’t get the same luck with shambler rooms

[warm helm]

Still the worst lil buggers imaginable.

[mystic mango]

Oh for sure. Just you clearly don’t play surface after showing me how few Typhon eyes you have lol

[warm helm]

Mainly because my leash aspects can’t leash.

[warm helm]

Correct. I will grind it out soon though.

[mystic mango]

Join the Circus

[opal pecan]

I used the same arcana for surface and UW both: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMF0%3D ;)

[mystic mango]

We love Circus

[zenith olive]

denial is so sad tho

[mystic mango]

You get used to it

[warm helm]

It’s kinda awesome ngl

[opal pecan]

It can be actually helpful to get rid of some boons you don't want

Depends on how you play with it

[warm helm]

I can force double strike basically next boon after taking my core

[zenith olive]

i have to chose between plasma or chance of double damage on ares and it makes me sad

[opal pecan]

If you have a good Wounds applicator, it's the second one 100%

[mystic mango]

But is it visceral or grisly?

[zenith olive]

no clue what you mean by that

[opal pecan]

Names of two of the plasma boons

[mystic mango]

Visceral Impact or Grisly gain

[warm helm]

Imagine knowing the names of Ares boons.

[zenith olive]

oh the one you get plasma for hitting an enemy, which is why i probably shouldnt take it since im medea

[warm helm]

He infact only carries every 10 times you get him.

[zenith olive]

but i like that boon! so im sad i will lose access to it forever

[opal pecan]

That'll be Visceral then wait

[mystic mango]

Grisly is whatever on Medea just since most of your movement is special and dash anyways

And it’s not especially consistent for p-array

[zenith olive]

i loooove taking plasma stuff + that one that makes gathering plasma put blades on enemies + blades drop instantly

[warm helm]

Paper cut above!

[zenith olive]

thats what i like about plasma

[mystic mango]

I will admit that grisly has more value on surface since stuff can actually take a hit

Underworld everything just evaporates instantly so you don’t get as much value out of chance on hit

[warm helm]

The beefed up thug waiting to deal 50 damage to you:

[mystic mango]

The absolutely giga buffed satyr sapper waiting to do 88 damage to you

[warm helm]

I swear those things should be the region 4 boss.

[mystic mango]

50 damage is like Thessaly damage

Freaking anchors do that much damage almost

Anchors do 44 on Pain 3

[warm helm]

Why are we boasting about how bs our zones are?😭

Moral of the story: High fear is silly asf.

[mystic mango]

I’m just saying how stupid the damage and health scaling of surface is compared to UW

That region 2 enemies are as strong or stronger than region 3 and 4 enemies from UW

[warm helm]

Yea, the only thing saving it is ephyra and that the bosses are easier.

Except prom

[mystic mango]

Yeah was of gonna say

[opal pecan]

You see why I was displeased to roll Antler for Thessaly in my Pain 3 Hordes 3 GCA

[mystic mango]

You better not be acting like prom doesn’t put belt to ass

[warm helm]

You can’t tell me that Eris is harder than sirens though.

[warm helm]

Oh they 100% do.

That’ll be my most practiced boss.

[mystic mango]

We love when everything one-shots us

Even shamblers

Technically they have to two-tap but they can hit twice per attack, same with harpies

But even a stickler one-shots wantler

[opal pecan]

I had Strength, which I think should reduce it to two-shots

But also means that you don't have a backup life

[warm helm]

Also, who tf decided to make caskets giga buffed in Thessaly?

[opal pecan]

GOD I KNOW RIGHT

and they run away from you!!!! that's ILLEGAL

[mystic mango]

We love them always having triple projectile

And always running to the very ends of the continent

[warm helm]

They just stuck a casket and a hippo together and bam.

[opal pecan]

At least the projectiles don't seek and there isn't a longass death animation /shudder

Mobs with longass death animations are also my personal enemy

[mystic mango]

Casket + the armored tiny shades in fields

[warm helm]

Thankfully.

[warm helm]

I guess? Hippo’s run more lol.

[mystic mango]

Yeah but so do caskets already

Don’t need double runny

[warm helm]

Istg idc if you hit the boated start, you reset if you see a hippo in C1

[warm helm]

Fair.

[zenith olive]

time is being pretty fine

[mystic mango]

Medea moment

[warm helm]

Time 3?

[zenith olive]

going into eris with 4min

[mystic mango]

I’ve seen 6 minute Eris entrances turn into 19 minute Typhon kills

Olympus is really that much of a swing region

[warm helm]

Yo btw when are we doing 62 surface @mystic mango ?

[mystic mango]

I was already attempting it and lost all good runs to rivals Typhon

Or timer on Promacles

[warm helm]

As it goes

What aspect?

[mystic mango]

Nyx again

[warm helm]

Perfect

[final sedge]

are the little split attacks really powerful on nyx? I'm not sure I understand when it's much better than base mel coat

[spare slate]

theyre pretty good if u have scorch on ur attack

[proper cloak]

theyre pretty strong yeah, especially as crowd control. plus you get the damage from the dash attack

its not like, anything crazy. but its good

[mystic mango]

They do 75% of the damage of the normal rockets and don’t have to hit anything to split off

[final sedge]

do you have to space your position or just punch them in the face and it still applies double scorch to your target?

[mystic mango]

Bruh what you guys talking about they’re absurdly strong

[spare slate]

honestly, i have no idea 😭

[final sedge]

how do you use rockets and punches well on controller?

[mystic mango]

Also its not just scorch

[proper cloak]

in my experience nyx has not been like, a crazy busted aspect

[mystic mango]

Oh well RIP you’re playing the absolute worst way to play coat

Like it’s objectively bad

[proper cloak]

its an important part OF THIS aspect but it also just happens

[final sedge]

okay, so you'll excuse me if I'm not a coat lover 😅

[spare slate]

im playing shiva coat and im not having much difficulty with aiming etc.

[magic grove]

coat special on controller its ASS

[proper cloak]

shiva coat is the one i would imagine is probably fine to aim on controller

speaking as somebody who has never played on controller

[mystic mango]

The issue is because you can’t independently aim so your punches force you to move towards enemies and you can’t separately aim your rockets

[magic grove]

but honestly its not an issue unless youre running like 62f

[final sedge]

i thought I was supposed to just hit attack and special at the same time with my thumb and hope it did something.

[mystic mango]

On KBM you can independently aim them while using movement for dash attack

[spare slate]

hm what would be some good boons on shive coat?

[mystic mango]

Since dash attack is movement based not aim based

[magic grove]

hera attack

ares attack, apollo

then a good gain and a second curse

[spare slate]

apollo special is pretty good

[proper cloak]

% damage on the attack is like the main thing

[final sedge]

do you use the block of oattack or nah?

[mystic mango]

You guys block?

[spare slate]

tbh, i dont 😭

[proper cloak]

the block itself is just a convenience thing its not central to the aspect, its just useful sometimes

[spare slate]

whats an omega /j

[zenith olive]

if i have death and athena +1 DD each room, does athena DD get used first when i die?

[proper cloak]

the downside of the block is that I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS BLOCKABLE

[opal pecan]

Imagine blocking

[mystic mango]

If it doesn’t hit you straight on or is on the ground then you can’t block it

[final sedge]

i miss my zeus and beowulf turtle builds on hades 1... SUE ME

😭

[spare slate]

hmm ykw

im gonna try hera ares duo

[mystic mango]

Okay 🧑‍⚖️

[proper cloak]

play torches and pump up the attack a ton then just never get close

achieves the same goal

[magic grove]

yes

[mystic mango]

@warm helm is Nyx special busted?

[final sedge]

I've basically 100% the game up to 32 fear... i know the aspects decently... I still miss my beyblade and loaded up bull rushes

[zenith olive]

i proceeded to lose 2 DDs to a miniboss 🔥

[final sedge]

as strong as the torches are... I like eos torches because they are fun and silly

[mystic mango]

Stalwart stand is always used first and Skelly tooth is always used last

[final sedge]

I feel like a summoning build a little with eos

[mystic mango]

Idk who the heck decided to make Skelly tooth worthless if I’m not expecting to lose more than one DD and have any on hand

[final sedge]

same with momus. I think setting up my turrets is fun

[mystic mango]

The idea of taking Skelly tooth if I have DD’s implies I expect to lose all of said DD’s during that region

[proper cloak]

zeus shield i respect but even beowulf isnt as cool as most h2 weapons imo since the special stinks

hades 2 does a great job at making both the attack and special on pretty much every weapon at least alright

[final sedge]

you seem to forget charging up casts is rad. The closest we get to that big explode damage now is like medeu and some wide grin builds

[proper cloak]

tbh im kinda a hater just because of how much h1 forces artemis

i love that most gods in h2 have cast stuff

actually it might be all, not sure

[final sedge]

I agree the build choices feel more versitle in hades 2... but I also think most duos in hades 2 are meh power boosts versus hades 1 where duos changed your entire playstyle and build.

[spare slate]

duos can be pretty insane tho

[proper cloak]

duos are a lot easier to get in h2 imo

you get a lot more boons overall i feel

especially because you dont need that one mirror thing lowering meta progression stuff

the meta progression stuff is just rare always instead

[final sedge]

nothing in hades 2 feels like hunting blades or merciful end or silly crystal clarity runs

[proper cloak]

id argue the biggest deal duos in h2 are the ones regarding heph blasts

[spare slate]

or the demeter hera duo

[proper cloak]

plus king's/queen's ransom

which is utterly hilarious

[final sedge]

heph blasts are amazing... i did not like heph at all in early game, but now I know the power of poms and zag card and his duos, heph is just fun

I also love getting ares and zeus's duo now, especially if you get divine vengence and apollo's light smite... it's good night after you get that going, so great

but it's still mostly just a damage boost, and not a gameplay changer

[zenith olive]

got it with 6min left to spare 😎

[mystic mango]

By the power of Medea

[zenith olive]

ofc

[rare grove]

incandescent aura on torches with hitch special, but yeah you have a point

[timber fossil]

So how do you use aspect of anubis...? Not just what boons are good but like... I don't understand anything it does at all

[mystic mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1498407071761301595/DE47A11.MP4?ex=69f651d4&is=69f50054&hm=95d4ca335a49ff141972d5b78af0520f21cb8bf0ff0525d2a825099fdd8fae19&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1498406474068656219/image.png?ex=69f65146&is=69f4ffc6&hm=7399a9945a0b5e73ae16e9be5c228e38f7cd5f7de9e38901f6fb1ac949a36c6c&

Slap down your attack and omega attack then spam the crap out of omega special

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1492255331210756349/1BBA771.MP4?ex=69f65a13&is=69f50893&hm=fd5b66fcca1afcafad98919832dd4131dfbbe806ae19699da3f26156253f9bd4&

But usually a good build on Anubis has Poseidon, Hestia, Zeus or Hera on attack and then a % damage god on special

You want a strong gain that can sustain a lot of magick use

If you’re playing for safety you just hunker down in your attacks and run around using special and activating shades to clear out enemies

[rain hazel]

Is Aphro attack good on Anubis? Can never tell how to gauge the distance, with certain weapons.

[opal pecan]

No.

[rain hazel]

Hm, trying to gauge what I want between aphro and ares on anubis. neither seem great lol

[opal pecan]

For attack? Yeah, neither is the top choice for Anubis.

[bronze flax]

Ares at least have some specific things, like Heinous Affront in area, that's cool

And Profuse Bleeding, I guess

But yeah, none of them are particularly great

[magic grove]

grisly gain can be nice

[uneven palm]

Ares is fine for rooms but bosses will be a struggle

Unless you get a goofy plasma and profuse blade factory

[storm bobcat]

I tried black coat scorch it was pretty good but it felt too dafe of a choice im thinking of doing aphrodite in it but i genuinely dont know how to build aphro builds

[wild drift]

Coat loves Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and Hestia

Aphro would be on the special with Poseidon attack or cast and aiming for their duo

[storm bobcat]

Hera as in actually hera or am i sacrificing her for more levels?

[wild drift]

Hera special is #1

[dense haven]

Idk if its just me or not... but while I love the coat in concept and design... it feels so weak to me. Its likely 100% skill issue, but good lord I cant find builds that make it click for me

[wild drift]

You can have 100% special uptime with auto-fire if you struggle with pressing buttons like me

[bronze flax]

Ok, I swear there is weird interaction with Universal Donor and Chaos Celerity. Mel got very slippery, like, even more slippery than pre-rework Sanguinary Savor

[opal pecan]

Have you checked out the Coat section of the pinned guide?

[dense haven]

Yeah ive looked at em. I have the guide saved on my phone since before I hopped into the server. Just doesnt mesh with me for some reason

[opal pecan]

If that's the case, I would suspect it's not a question of the build, since those are pretty straightforward, but more likely a matter of preferred or habitual playstyle

[fleet kite]

Autofire is a must for me for coat

[opal pecan]

I simply destroy my mouse

which is very smart and prudent of me considering that the manufacturer stopped making the model I'm used to :)

[zenith olive]

hey people

do yall consider rivals 4 worth it for 50f?

i would guess no

or void even

jumping from 40 to 50 fear might be too much actually

[magic grove]

yes

[opal pecan]

How good are you at doing Rivals 4 in general?

[wild drift]

No if your only goal is to clear 50, yes if you want to eventually go higher

[zenith olive]

done it a single time on each 😎

[magic grove]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMSwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd i would run this

[zenith olive]

with frenzy 2 fangs 2 and grit 1

[magic grove]

if you don't want rivals 4, grab scars 2 and then something else

[fleet kite]

Scars is surprisingly free up to a point

[opal pecan]

Tangent: Pain 3 is worth more than Scars 3, and I've always thought that a bit funny since personally I find it easier to recover from Pain 3 mistakes than Scars 3 mistkaes

[verbal whale]

Never use void until 62f btw!

[magic grove]

65*

[zenith olive]

ok im gonna have to like

actually learn how to play now 💔

[uneven palm]

That’s kinda the high fear experience. Constantly learning that you’ve gotta relearn stuff and clean up your gameplay

[magic grove]

its fun!

[spiral wadi]

ye, turns out healing good

like strength was only taken in high fear during ea because of heal cheeses like charity bottle

[opal pecan]

I wonder if their logic was like, "you may just straight up die with enough Pain", but like, idk

I feel like the really big hits are much fewer than the small hits that add up

And generally more telegraphed

[spiral wadi]

then they nerfed strength's hp reduction, then sniped the heal cheeses

[spiral wadi]

def, like scars makes encounters more punishing while pain just makes bosses more ruthless

[opal pecan]

And there are so many more normal encounters!!!

[spiral wadi]

ye

sometimes u get clanger swifter auto seeker tho and have to wonder if it's secretly a boss room

satyr champion is also prob the worst designed warden in the game

getting off topic here but ya that just came to my mind

[opal pecan]

I only remembered watching OSP's charity stream the other time that the first game had these rooms that weren't necessarily minibosses but had "harder enemies"

That's what the autoseeker BS feels like

[spiral wadi]

real and tru

[cedar scroll]

best build for aspect of thantos?

[viral yew]

Check the pins

[cedar scroll]

ok

[spring bramble]

I don’t know if mine is the best, but from what I remember I used Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite—I don’t really remember what else I had. What really helped me was getting a Chaos boon that gave me +77% attack but removed all my cards for the rest of the run. I thought it would only last 6 encounters, so I ended up without extra lives, but luckily I called Athena and she saved me a lot. It was only one extra life, but it helped a ton

[viral yew]

It does only last 6 encounters

[spring bramble]

So that’s what I found strange, because I made it all the way to Chronos without my lives and without my card buffs, but the Chaos buff still worked normally. Or maybe I didn’t notice, but I swear I only saw Athena’s extra life there

[round olive]

To whomever decided that herecles and Promethus should be a duo fight... I hope your chair is slightly unconfortable today. I took so much damage

[versed bear]

I will take fifty Joe Higashi and Hulk Hogan fights over Eris with her stupid laser.

[uneven palm]

There’s a big thread in the speedrun discord that breaks down that fight if you’re trying to figure it out https://discord.com/channels/940392249844465694/1400282834882658324

[opal pecan]

The "curse" part of it (removing your arcana cards) is what only lasts for a set number of encounters. The "blessing" part of it (extra damage) is what gets given to you after the curse expires, and that's permanent for the rest of the run.

[dense haven]

So lucid gain and circe. Do you get double the mana back? I know with momus staff you get mana back each pulse from cast, didnt know if circe worked the same

[viral yew]

It does

[dense haven]

Excellent. Means I dont have to pump rarity on lucid gain

[viral yew]

WWhy are you using omegas on circe tho

[flint widget]

only time omegas are remotely useful on circe is if youre speedrunning

[dense haven]

I like pairing it with ares/Apollo boons where they do the dot damage after omega wear off

Just a build i enjoy. Im low heat/fear anyway

[uneven palm]

I like using Night and spamming all the Omegas with Lucid Gain on Circe. You basically can’t run out of magic.

Probably not the greatest build but it’s a fun change up

[round olive]

You see, I found laser Eris easier then normal eris, the trick is to Always be Dodging

[zenith olive]

how does the god pool work in this game? is it like you can get up to 4 different gods?

[opal pecan]

The way it works is that if you already have at least four gods, you will only be naturally offered gods that you already have

E.g. in shops and encounter rewards

[zenith olive]

cool thx!

the same as h1 right?

[opal pecan]

Probably yeah

I've seen some people confused when they saw multiple new gods offered in a shop when they already had three, but like, if you only have three gods so far, you can definitely be offered multiple gods naturally and end up with five or even more, and obviously god keepsakes etc can also circumvent the limit.

It's not at all a hard limit

[low bough]

The only thing rly throttled is hammers, and even then its not as bad as H1

[opal pecan]

Even hammers aren't hard-limited either, though there's fewer ways to get around the soft limit

[viral yew]

Yes

Should've left hammers the way they were in EA

[opal pecan]

Why, what were they like in EA?

[zenith olive]

yay got destroyed by chronos rivals

[low bough]

Phase 3 was certainly interesting yeah

[zenith olive]

didnt even make to it!

[low bough]

Hows rivals change it?

[flint widget]

without rivals there is no p3

[low bough]

So was that really a vow fight if you didnt make it to the vow part

[zenith olive]

probably gonna have to practice his boss battle now for 50f instead of just hitting my head again and again until i beat it like i did up to this point

[low bough]

Also, what level vow do yall usually take

[opal pecan]

Yes, because P3 isn't the only change

[zenith olive]

yeah cuz he gets harder on the other phases too

[opal pecan]

His entire moveset gets buffed

[low bough]

How so? Just damage or properties

[opal pecan]

And he also can summon minibosses as adds

[opal pecan]

Not sure about damage, definitely yes on properties

[flint widget]

for what

[low bough]

General runs

[opal pecan]

For example his vacuum move with the shield turns into a double vacuum and you can't hit him from the front or the back

[low bough]

I heard the vow buffs UW a lot more than surface

[opal pecan]

Rivals buffs UW more.

[low bough]

Budget iframes lmao

[opal pecan]

The other vows either buff both about equally or arguably buff Surface more.

For example, Menace and Shadows are both worse on the Surface.

[low bough]

My current 8 fear set up is just timer, scars, frenzy, and the boome primer

[zenith olive]

is there a mod or something to practice boss battles?

[low bough]

Thinking to add a rivals bit but not sure when to stop

[zenith olive]

cuz just retrying 50f like this until i beat it is probably not going to work

[zenith olive]

first rivals are pretty fun!

[low bough]

Tbh just set the frenzy to the usual and do a lower fear run

Hows hecate change?

I hear scylla gets way harder

And cerb gets the lernie treatment

[verbal whale]

Hecate and Scylla get buffed a lot more than their surface counterparts, Cerberus on the other hand is pretty easy compared to rivals Prom generally, and rivals Typhon vs rivals Chronos can go either way, but generally id say Chronos is harder.

[opal pecan]

Something that some players have done is backing up savefiles that come from "just before a boss battle", and then they copy that backed-up savefile over to one of their extra slots whenever they want to practice that boss

I am not aware of a mod that streamlines this process

[zenith olive]

oooh yeah thxx

[low bough]

Scylla is def most noticeable

[zenith olive]

thats enough

[low bough]

Because I can usually dogpile them in fifteen seconds

No one likes charybodis lol

Not even charybodis, I think I juke thessaly minibosses specifically due to that

[zenith olive]

most difficult part of scylla fight is concentrating with that banger of a song playing

[magic grove]

worst boss in the game somehow

[low bough]

You dont even get anything good from it

[opal pecan]

The Yargonaut's not so bad if you have anti-armor stuff in your toolkit

[magic grove]

and now you can't even use twilight curse on charybdis

[low bough]

Not a fan of the fixed cam as well

[magic grove]

only miniboss that's immune to it

[opal pecan]

Every single instance of camera shenanigans in this game, I hate

[low bough]

Im ngl in the 4th region of surface