h2-victory-boasting

[neon grail]

game hates me, no pyro no griveous

[neat jewel]

Slow Cooker would've been hot too

[worldly moat]

Basically what 90% of weapons turn into at high fear, dash attack -> special -> repeat is the best in case combo for staff, knives, axe, coat too lowkey like 90% of the time

[marsh condor]

[neat jewel]

And even though Hel technically doesn't have a dash-strike, it's kind of like a dash-strike + special as well lol

[worldly moat]

Truuuuue

But yeah high fear forces the weapons to play in a very homogeneous way cuz less omega viability and a necessity to stay fast damage wise and mobile

Which is also why you see stuff like every coat and every knife(minus morrigan), and every axe(minus nergal) end up playing like mel aspects in most circumstances at 62+

[analog oasis]

This is probably the exact reason we see all Mel aspects clear 67.

[lofty oriole]

Ew

Poorly played tbh. But I also blame Hades for not giving deep dissent 🫢

[neon grail]

sadge

67 is crazy ngl

[lofty oriole]

Erebus feels like a mission to get through quickly with enough NPCs and to find 2 of Zeus/Hera/Heph

And then pray you get Evadex3 and Deep dissent. Then it's very winnable

[analog oasis]

Charybdis Feature

[brave sail]

@worldly moat I kinda feel like you had more options in Hades one in terms of playstyle

[neon grail]

62f surface w/ mel blades

[sour widget]

Big Zoos

[lean rivet]

mono zeus (7/9) broken ahh god (ignore the fact i facetanked everything like an idiot)

[hidden gale]

I didn't think I was gonna love the plasma things from Ares so much

[sour widget]

Plasma is insane on some aspects

Plasma is nuts on Moros

[worldly moat]

If we're talking high heat no actually lol

Only 2 weapons have cleared max heat, zeus shield and Rama bow. Also boons in h1 are overall weaker and youre more reliant on hitting a duo or legendary to get a run compared to h2 where they're less run defining

[sour widget]

Yeah high heat H1 from everything I heard is absolutely brutal even by comparison to H2 and that’s because they fixed so much of what made H1 high heat nearly impossible

[worldly moat]

Yeah h1 had approval process and underworld customs(i think thats what it is >->) so only getting 1 boon choice fron a god and having to purge every area meant you needed stupid luck

On top of gods overall being weaker meant timer was constantly an issue

[sour widget]

H2 high fear is far more fair

[livid gale]

Hades 1 high heat wasn't exactly harder but it made runs extremely dependant on RNG and a bit annoying

[worldly moat]

By far yeah

[worldly moat]

Idk a 1 dash zag is pretty gross

[sour widget]

Whether it was harder or not doesn’t matter much when a fraction of runs even become viable

[worldly moat]

But thats max heat ig and no one is doing that

[livid gale]

Hades 2 tweaked a lot of the horrible fear options at least

[worldly moat]

Yeah denial is a much more interactive version of approval process its super cool

[livid gale]

Yeah was about to say lol, but you're right 1 dash is absurdly tough

Though people generally wanted to pick extra dash on Hermes asap

[sour widget]

Denial at least gives you options even if it’s not that favorable. H1 gave you nothing and said “deal with it”

[worldly moat]

rip rush delivery, gone too soon 🥀

I miss my 100%+ damage stacking because I dashed

[livid gale]

Denial is actually fun which is insane in comparison with approval process which was hell

[sour widget]

denial is actually fun to run even without other fear cause it makes you think about build possibilities

[livid gale]

Ye it's a bit engaging

[sour widget]

Rather than just saying “here you go have nothing”

denial actually even opens up new strategies like intentional sacrifices

[livid gale]

Only complaint I've with denial are the forced trades

[worldly moat]

and even then thats 100% avoidable or good if you line it up right

[sour widget]

Yeah the forced sacrifices but if you use them right they can actually make you stronger

[livid gale]

It's definitely avoidable in the majority of cases

[sour widget]

I once intentionally sacrificed a heph special to get it back on the next room for 2 free rarities

It’s actually a really fun change of pace rather than an outright debuff

[livid gale]

Yep like I said denial is at the very least an engaging mechanic

[sour widget]

Yeah rather than “screw you no boons for you die”

[livid gale]

Here you go, no attack boon for the entire first biome, cry about it

[sour widget]

Denial at least says “okay here take the special but you’re gonna be forced to take that other gain because you denied this one”

“And you can’t get that perfect build you wanted because you took this god early and were more likely to lose access to the legendary or duo you wanted”

Game knowledge rather than RNG

I can at least intentionally route god choices with denial

[livid gale]

I actually like this because at least it forces me to actually make a decision

[sour widget]

And depending on my options I will guarantee getting a boon I want eventually

Though I may give up another boon I want to get it

The amount of any-fear runs that I never got fine line due to the damn thing never rolling it even after 6 boons sucks

[rare parcel]

Denial at least adds some interesting decision making choices

But now I think about it, I feel Forfeit is a worse Underworld Customs

Even if I find the onion sound funny

[lofty oriole]

I do wish Forfeit onioned Selene as well so I can stop undoing nights 💀

[analog oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[lean rivet]

Mono demeter (8/9) carried by medea also i only had ice strike up until summit

[analog oasis]

Cinnerary Circle

[lean rivet]

im not couting non-core gods for this as it would be very hard to avoid all of them

[charred cypress]

https://youtu.be/CssjVvFjbco from last night

[tacit zephyr]

I seem to take a ridiculous amount of damage from bosses, especially Prometheus in particular, but at least, yay, another win

(nonrivals run)

[sour widget]

@marsh condor

Can go back to the original post to see the builds as well

But yeah you want a big % buff on daybreaker and preferably a flat damage buff on special

Then just keep the daybreaker under control like an overly energetic child that keeps wanting to chase after things you don’t want to focus

[marsh condor]

how do you determine who it targets or where it goes?
charging up another one?

[sour widget]

Yeah

It’s pretty fast to throw out if you have to make another one

[marsh condor]

and keeping both omegas always active

[sour widget]

Yeah

Oh yeah also Apollo attack is insane on it

[marsh condor]

aoe

[sour widget]

It’s MASSIVE the amount of area it covers when it explodes and does nuts damage

The second set of clips was Apollo attack and exceptional talent which makes it explode twice

[marsh condor]

i cant really see it
so much going on
but ill just take your word on it

[marsh condor]

my eyessssss

[sour widget]

Can see the damage number pop up it was doing 615 per explosion and exploding twice

Or something like that

But it’s big damage and also super free with back burner

Since it often goes through the enemy and sits behind them while they’re attacking you

[marsh condor]

wow im surprised you guys can keep track of everything at frenzy 2

[marsh condor]

oh yeee
didnt think about that

[sour widget]

Frenzy 2 just becomes normal eventually

https://tenor.com/view/osumania-gif-11625274787891081781

I mean I used to do this kinda stuff

You acclimate to it

Like I can actually tell wtf is happening there but only after like hundreds of hours of playing those kinds of games

[marsh condor]

i started hades 2 right after a 2 week minecraft arc where i mostly farmed lol

[sour widget]

lol quite the shift in mental demand

[marsh condor]

indeed
ima take luthiens advice and get started on time 3 frenzy 2 rivals 4 training

[sour widget]

Yeah genuinely just if you’re playing for fun turn on rivals 4 and try to get better at avoiding them

Just make rivals 4 and frenzy 2 the normal game and you’ll get used to it

Even if you play no other vows just turn those on

[marsh condor]

wow apollo attack eos feels so much better than when i first tried it

[hasty minnow]

honest to god how i cleared this with the stuff i had

[sour widget]

Blades + scorch + pyro technique with Poms = easy game

[hasty minnow]

i mean without trick knives

like this was rough

[sour widget]

Trick knives is very fun but like with the build you had it wouldn’t really do that much for you anyways

[rocky steppe]

Trick knives is always better than no trick knives

[marsh condor]

what do you for the charybdis bullet hell
it trips me up most times

[sour widget]

On surface or in rivals Scylla?

[marsh condor]

surface
its not as bad in rivals scylla?
im not sure about that tho, too much going on for me to tell

[sour widget]

Okay so literally just the moment the tentacles go away walk to one end of the room

And then slowly walk to the other side

Literally just walk barely ahead of the blobs as they chase you

They’re too slow to catch you by the time you reach the other end

If you’re unlucky and there’s a few stragglers just dodge past them

It got cut off but you can see it there

[marsh condor]

[analog oasis]

Frenzy 2 is free. Most dangerous Vow is Void followed by Pain

Scars, Hubris, Frenzy and Time are all my go to

[sour widget]

“Just don’t get hit”

[rocky steppe]

Yeah after hundreds of runs frenzy 2 makes no difference

[analog oasis]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMywwLDYsMywzLDAsNSw0LDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd this is a easy layout

[sour widget]

Frenzy 2 has very few situations that aren’t just “react faster”

Stuff like enemies teleporting faster

Snake whack-a-mole on summit

Or getting speed blitzed by a horror

[analog oasis]

Frenzy can actually be helpful in situations where you need to clear rooms faster like in a speedrun.

[sour widget]

Yeah of course I’m aware of the benefits but just saying frenzy is mostly BS-free

[analog oasis]

Now. Pinhead rooms on 67 can be fatal since they can start moving to spawn position when you cannot react yet

[worldly moat]

I hate 67 fish rooms

3 billion fish, takes 5 years to clear, will shred you and chances are they're fanged

[analog oasis]

In one 67 fail I had multiple Fanged Pinheads with Bigger and Shifter.

If I recall correctly

[sour widget]

Frenzy 2 sand skulls are BS

Not even your cast makes you safe

Unless it’s Dem cast

[analog oasis]

Sand skulls?

[sour widget]

The purple skulls in Tartarus

[analog oasis]

Never encountered them are they not on Switch 2 edition?

[analog oasis]

Ohhhh

Sand skull made me think that it was an enemy in Thessaly

[sour widget]

SAND

[analog oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-predicaments-beach-sand-gif-3823779

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-sand-gif-2743302484875254134

got deleted once and said “hey let me try that again”

[marsh condor]

thats a scary layout for a newbie like me

frenzy 2 rivals eris is not fun

[sour widget]

Based Hordes 3 Grit 3 max rivals on “easy layout”

This is basically what I ran for 50 fear

Minus the scars 3

Wards was kinda a non-issue cause of Eos

[rocky steppe]

Easier than normal eris 🤷‍♀️

[sour widget]

Everybody says that but I genuinely don’t get why

Longer fight, flies away more, does more damage per hit, almost always spawns enemies, the arena shrinks

Like yeah if you know the fight like the back of your hand and can dodge every laser that’s different

But for the vast majority of players it’s way harder

[lean rivet]

yeah I don't think it's easier but its not a hard boss

I think people forget how piss easy normal eris is lol

[sour widget]

Its bottom 3 easiest rivals bosses

[lean rivet]

she does nothing

[sour widget]

Normal Eris you can just nuke and be done

Rivals Eris turns into whack a mole

I hear people say “oh but normal Eris does more damage” and all but like yeah if you stand directly in front of her barrel

Just step 2 feet to the side

And then keep walking circles around her

Like yeah if normal Eris had rivals Eris movement and health there might be a debate but that simply isn’t the case

[charred cypress]

Preach Kol

[sour widget]

Normal Eris dies too damn fast to be hard unless I get a really unlucky grenade spam which is the only time I’ve died to her in ages

[analog oasis]

Rivals Eris also gets the triple laser Daedalus Hammer

But if you have good timing, you can dodge it or get behind her.

[analog oasis]

Its called Fear for a reason I guess

[sour widget]

Yeah I’ve been clipped by that damn thing just barely so many times

Losing a DD at the very end of the fight

[analog oasis]

You using Pain 3 for 50 Fear?

[sour widget]

No usually 1

I posted my 50 fear setup above

[analog oasis]

In my first blades high fear clear I used Pain 2. Definitely manageable

[sour widget]

Charybdis being on your damage board and not a single siren is so valid lol

[analog oasis]

She can go to Hell. Oh wait...

[sour widget]

Technically not the underworld. Oceanus is in Poseidon’s domain

If I recall the game’s explanation correctly

[analog oasis]

It is Poseidon's domain but also on the very edge of both, but technically still the UW as to not kill Melinoë

[sour widget]

Ah right yeah fair

Okay so I cut 42 seconds off my persephone skull time on surface by using medea

So by that logic I should be able to very easily get a sub-5 UW

[cursive panther]

Large Splash with skulls

[sour widget]

I'd say that poseidon isn't a great pick on mel skull but you went wide grin so you already removed the aspect from the weapon

But seemed to work well

[analog oasis]

Doesn't WG work immediately then with damage buffs?

[olive vigil]

Wide grin gaming

[analog oasis]

Horrible Idea on Medea though

[sour widget]

I mean that you lose access to the power since all your skulls drop at once

[cursive panther]

unfortunately I was forced to take poseidon

no side rooms

[sour widget]

Reset cause terrible room rng but wtf was that sheep ball lol thing decided to go grab a drink and come back

Jumpscared me

[neat jewel]

Lmao that was just mentioned in the speedcord #1218621088049659930 message

[sour widget]

lolllll

[neat jewel]

But I guess in the clip they sent it didn't actually come back

[simple cypress]

65 fear clear! video

[sour widget]

Its funny I apparently just got the first recorded example of it happening since late EA

[cursive panther]

Sheep Ball has left the area

[gilded ravine]

success rating

[neat jewel]

Calling Card + Concave Stone is DIABOLICAL highroll congrats

[simple cypress]

the concave stone ended up not being great, it was used on hermes who offered me the worst of his boons... i was so ready to coast to victory with a heroic nitro boost or something but nope

i don't like calling card in general, it just happened to feel like the correct keepsake this time around, but i usually took time piece/fig leaf/tooth

[neat jewel]

Yeah I guess the very clean Erebus + Life Tax let you be a bit more liberal with keepsake choice even though you didn't pull Death until Cerb

[simple cypress]

i think that's optimal, so that you get to use strength more and then have all 3 for chronos

[neat jewel]

Wait you didn't even get Lovers until after Cerb as well wow

[simple cypress]

yeah, that was unideal

[sour widget]

Meh. Bad encounter RNG but squeaked out the sub-6 despite terrible RNG

Always sucks to get a room 3 p-array and watch the run slowly fall away

[simple cypress]

wow speedy

[sour widget]

Lost PB to bad tartarus RNG. The only tiny room ended up being the one that got fig leaf

[sour widget]

Lol looks like somebody has a favorite weapon

[rocky steppe]

I respect the dedication

[trim knot]

I love that weapon

[rocky steppe]

Ugh I don't have an up to date ss of my logs

[rocky steppe]

I've played 600 nights and my highest aspect is at 62

[trim knot]

I am unable tô use that weapon...

I get hit like... Every time

On the controller

[trim knot]

Lol

Man I just spammed that weapon

[rocky steppe]

Aspect of medea is one of the hardest to use well

[sour widget]

I haven't ever played it on fear

Only for speed

[rocky steppe]

I did a 50 with it first try and then never again because it's a pain in the ass at 55+

[trim knot]

The only time o tried was with fear

I was able to go to crhonos but I died

[sour widget]

Basically my first ever run with it I nearly got a sub-6:15 surface

[trim knot]

Damn

[rocky steppe]

Checkmate's prodigal son

[trim knot]

When the game launched

[trim knot]

The streamers where like

[rocky steppe]

Isn't that over a minute better than your last pb

[trim knot]

Passing through scila só easy

Already in Cerberus etc.

[sour widget]

I went from 7:48 with Hel to 7:00 with Persephone to 6:18 with Medea in under 24 hours

[trim knot]

I wasn't even able to pass through scila

Skill issue or I was because of the blades?

[rocky steppe]

Yeah checks out

[rocky steppe]

Skill issue

[sour widget]

Skull meta is skull meta

[trim knot]

😭 don't tell the truth to me

[rocky steppe]

Have a nectar in this trying time

[winter basalt]

haven't played since early January, first run back!
-# also, you can ||compel the Good Shade|| now??

[sour widget]

No you get onion

[trim knot]

Not Even a ambrósia????

[rocky steppe]

THERE ISN'T AN EMOTE FOR IT 😭 😭 😭 😭

[rocky steppe]

:P

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/osu-cookiezi-jumps-aim-gif-25891090

@trim knot This is what playing Medea is like on mouse

[rocky steppe]

Mnkb is better for medea tho

[sour widget]

Like genuinely I would get better at the game if I played Osu

[trim knot]

I fear you

[sour widget]

I suck at osu

my aim is atrocious

[sour widget]

Yeah IF you're good

[trim knot]

Lol

[sour widget]

But also like Kev holds world record surface on controller but that's mel skull

[trim knot]

Mnkb?

[sour widget]

Mouse and Keyboard

[rocky steppe]

I played controller so it was fine (it was not)

[trim knot]

Ohh

[sour widget]

But genuinely the difficulty with playing medea fast is one special goes instantly into another so missing even slightly gives you very little time to course correct and it can be difficult with the moving camera

[trim knot]

I will platinum the game first

Them I will try everything

[rocky steppe]

Getting plat was suprisingly easy

[trim knot]

With dagger's

[rocky steppe]

You need to play all the aspects for platinum iirc

[trim knot]

Yeah, it's just time I guess

[rocky steppe]

Or at least all the weapons+hidden aspects

[trim knot]

I will do this

And them

Platinum with dagger's

Also...

[rocky steppe]

[trim knot]

I was just doing the statue's trophy

When Nemesis just spawns and... You know... I like with 2 min to kill Hecate buffed

I didn't even knew that was able to romance anyone there

[rocky steppe]

Oh that part

[trim knot]

In my mind she would give me coins...

[rocky steppe]

She gave you something else 😏

[trim knot]

Yeah 😭

Glad I accepted

Worth almost ruining the run

I will go to sleep, good night everyone!!!

[rocky steppe]

Time zones are crazy huh

[trim knot]

02:40 AM here

[rocky steppe]

3.40pm for me

[trim knot]

Damn

[sour widget]

I have defeated John Visual Clarity

Though for some reason now it doesn't show in game recordings via steam

We figure that out at a future date

But by the power of free web apps I have slain John Visual Clarity

[gilded ravine]

once again kbm diff'd

https://tenor.com/view/cat-camera-shake-gif-21145390

[sour widget]

Controller players and their ability to just say "mel go that way"

Never once having to fight John Visual Clarity over the ability to see their mouse cursor

[rotund badger]

sincere question, does this impact runs that are recorded/counted?

Is that technically now a modded game, or are you not modifying it at the game level?

[sour widget]

I mean if it ends up genuinely being an issue I'd just do it without it 🤷‍♂️

I don't really know

[rotund badger]

fair enough!

[sour widget]

Would have been an insanely fast fight if not for the damn head

[gilded ravine]

night bloom got ur back lmao

saved time from skill issue

[sour widget]

Sun worshipper which got purged at final pool

[gilded ravine]

ah ye that one too

[sour widget]

But legit I suck at course correcting on Medea when I’m just fully turning off my brain and holding special

[gilded ravine]

ye medea is funky like that

gotta put that red box cursor to good use

[sour widget]

Idk why it doesn’t show up in recordings when the other cursor I tried does

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1490586974048747561/21DDBB1.MP4?ex=69d498cc&is=69d3474c&hm=0c70ead987e3a719a6eb9ea638a3e16147b5343ef89eadb87bff4066b3ef50dc&

[gilded ravine]

🤷

i saw like frames of cursor in the cerb clip

didn't seem red

o fun purple

[sour widget]

Yeah it’s the fact that for whatever reason the red square doesn’t appear but I only replaced some of the games .cur assets with the red square

Only CursorDefault and CursorDefaultPress

So the rest are still just the normal assets

So if I turn on bright cursor it goes back

[neat jewel]

Very clean Pan 62 for me, took Life Tax all the way to timer vs Chronos, Anus god pool in Oceanus but never saw Light Smite, big Pyro in Tartarus endshop

[neon grail]

Storm Ring manages to outdamage everything in a trick slop run lol

[pliant tiger]

why do i have a son 💔

[pliant tiger]

man if u actually got a % special

[neat jewel]

I was hoping for Nova Flourish or Light Smite when I got my second Apollo in Oceanus, got Super Nova instead, then I got Hestia as a mystery boon right before Scylla and well, boon > no boon

Don't forget Lightning Lance!

[neat jewel]

Would've been sexy if that mystery boon was Hera instead (or if I just got the Apollo lol)

[pliant tiger]

i remember playing artemis 62f uw and getting no special boon until midway through tartarus and no attack boon until tart endshop

lowk could've won without an attack and special boon

[pliant tiger]

this the run in question

[neon grail]

Ah ok saw ll now

[neat jewel]

But yeah I defnitely time out if I don't get that early Epic Storm Ring lol carried me so hard (I'm just irrationally a Lightning Lance fan)

[neat jewel]

Chaos and Demeter 💀

How many Danaids?

[pliant tiger]

1 💀

no archaic seal to back that up

[red roost]

made me choose hammer and hestia for room 3. i chose hestia because surely hammer will come back. it came back in tartarus room 4 and gave me TK for chronos. lol,

[lofty oriole]

Epic Volc Strike 🙏

[pliant tiger]

w build

[neat jewel]

Epic Killing Stroke too holy

[red roost]

babality was scary.

[gilded ravine]

yoo nice

funny hitch is funny

[red roost]

pin wouldve been safer with 200+ hp i had. but i wanted to have fun with 50% whantler.

[keen plover]

Nemesis told me to "go on & gloat."
I think I've earned it just this once.

[cursive panther]

Rockets go brr with Counter Barrage

wanted to try something diff this run

[lofty oriole]

We love to see Cheirloom Wantler 👏

[neat jewel]

Saw Gigaros + mid Hammers while resetting for Fetching Array on Mel Skull, axe discussion in the other chat made me check Mel Axe and lo and behold it was Dashing Heave

Feels like that could've been a 62 with how strong the build was lol

[lofty oriole]

Yoo AphroAtk ZeusSpecial let’s go 👏 👏

[neat jewel]

Dash-strikes hitting for over 1k in Tartarus lol crazy

[lofty oriole]

Just dash attack specia like most of the other aspects 🫢😂

Would’ve been insane with Wantler too 🫢🫢

[neat jewel]

Sadly my exhammer was Hell Splitter lol and didn't get a third hammer

[lofty oriole]

No seething 💀

[neat jewel]

Yeah that gets multipliers too right?

[lofty oriole]

Believe so

I like seething for time in Erebus since it applies to Oattacks too

But ye dashing heave is best for the long run

Been attempting some Mel Axe 67 and honestly not the worst Erebus since you have decent damage and bonus health 👀

[sour widget]

Yeah I notice a lot of weapons with early power I see people say do alright in Erebus

[neat jewel]

Damn that would only be the second one right

Gigaros basically required for Wards too?

[lofty oriole]

yeaaah reset for Gigaros

[lofty oriole]

Yee it’s why Mel Staff is so popular

[sour widget]

I need to try using Medea for fear

[lofty oriole]

Medea would be the best if it wasn’t for Fangs 💀

[sour widget]

Me learning Medea for fear by instantly beating my head against a wall at 50+ fear

[lofty oriole]

Time bubbles and projectiles etc makes it so high risk

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-finn-time-to-learn-learn-gif-4458347

[lofty oriole]

Legit considering learning kbm for coats tbh

[neat jewel]

Medea got my first 45 and now it's hardstuck at 50/45 for me, I just can't handle Fangs + Pain enemies on it anymore lol

[lofty oriole]

Fangs is such a pain to deal with

[neat jewel]

Coat special spam is almost Supay-like for me in that I can focus a lot on dodging since my mouse being in the general direction of the enemy will likely get the hit

[lofty oriole]

You could get sucking/armoured wailers Room 3 and just die 😂

[neat jewel]

My Scylla with coat is way cleaner than with other weapons because of this

[lofty oriole]

Yeah I gave it a go today and it’s surprising how good mouse is for directing specials

Cuz for most of my previous coat runs I have to physically stand in front of enemies or it’s gonna hit thin air 😓

[sour widget]

Yeah I can’t imagine rocket spam on controller

[lofty oriole]

My 62 coats have mainly been attack focused lmao

[sour widget]

Since on KBM your dash attack is movement based and your mouse just becomes exclusively rockets

[lofty oriole]

And I don’t think checkmate plays them either for the same reason

Well except Nyx

[lofty oriole]

That sounds way less annoying to deal with ye

[sour widget]

You can just use your mouse to throw out rockets in a general direction while handling attacks with just your left hand (minus left clicking to attack)

It’s genuinely something that doesn’t matter nearly as much on any other weapon but since rockets and attacks can be happening simultaneously it makes KBM objectively better

[lofty oriole]

Truuuu

Honestly should try and make a switch to kbm for coats for better runs 💀

I wonder if there’s a wep that favours controller/deck lol

[sour widget]

Just never let go of right mouse button

Unlimited rockets

[sour widget]

Only reason I argue skull liking controller is because you just have to point in a direction while spamming specials rather than turning your game into Osu!

Medea legit becomes a rhythm game by me having to perfectly jump back and forth through enemies and it ruining my damage if I don’t aim correctly

[lofty oriole]

Oh truue

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/osu-cookiezi-jumps-aim-gif-25891090

[lofty oriole]

Medea feels okay-ish on controller for the most part. It’s mainly sliding fingers from Y to X and flicking the directions back and forth

[sour widget]

Me ruining a fast cerb to bad aim

[sour widget]

At least auto fire means you can hold special and tap attack

That’s what I do. Only issue is if you tap too slow it can accidentally load 2 shells

The amount of times I ruined room clear by not letting go of attack fast enough and loading too many shells into Medea

[olive vigil]

Medea didn’t click for me until I moved special to a back button so I could attack and special with no delay

Didn’t think moving my thumb a centimeter would cause a delay but that’s what happens when ya get old I guess

[sour widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1490777421815746671/20260406-1816-45.6052617.mp4?ex=69d54a2a&is=69d3f8aa&hm=ef2bf5ccf45023c54fec0a1592c3b4314756b56ed71775d7422be9c1c0795f4a&

Death to Chronos John Visual Clarity

[gilded ravine]

what a deal

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/DYC4Ako9o16854pPyO

[gilded ravine]

kinda crazy how grisly kinda stuttered in boss fights without inverted but i think visceral made it playable in standard rooms

[neon grail]

Grisly Gain is only good in boss fights with high magick usage weapons if you have Profuse Bleeding too. But that one requires Wounds and Wounds is only good with Grievous, so you just need 4 matching boons to make it work

Easy peazy

[sour widget]

Arc flash twisting crash is hilarious

I do still really wish persephone ospec controlled with the mouse and not the movement keys

Just feels very awkward to steer Mel like a car

As per usual I stink at fighting Rivals Eris lol

[rare parcel]

I never thought in Persephone Arc Flash with Blitz on Special, it sounds very funny

[sour widget]

Ares on moros is so damn funny

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-gif-5593963

Ares S tier

God Build

Cinerary Circle on damage board lol

[willow quest]

is 52 heat in h2 as hard as 52 heat in h1?

[sour widget]

I can't personally say

[willow quest]

cause 52 heat is insane

[sour widget]

There isn't as much total BS like only getting 1 boon choice and stuff

[willow quest]

good to know

[willow quest]

congrats

[sour widget]

High heat and even max heat is technically easier in H1 but the insane level of luck makes it nearly impossible

The majority of aspects in H2 have cleared max fear but only 2 have ever cleared max heat because the RNG makes it borderline impossible

[willow quest]

yea having enough luck to get everything you need for max heat in hades in almost impossible

[analog oasis]

No

Its much easier

[willow quest]

i haven't tried h2 much because i prefered the less complex mechanics in h1 way more

[willow quest]

oh okay

[analog oasis]

Also 67 Fear is easier than 64 Heat

Farthest I got in a 64 is to Lernie

[sour widget]

52 fear is honestly just whether or not you're good at fighting the bosses and still plenty of RNG carry

The rest is overall pretty easy

[willow quest]

isn't the max level of heat in h1 63?

[analog oasis]

There. 52 Fear. Easy

[willow quest]

that's insanely impressive

[sour widget]

19 minute 52 uw. pitiful

(JK good job)

[analog oasis]

But I suck at blades

[sour widget]

Valid

[analog oasis]

That was like, my third ever use

[willow quest]

i got my first 32 heat run today

[analog oasis]

Fear or Heat from Hades 1?

[willow quest]

heat

[analog oasis]

Ah

Some people use them interchangeably

[willow quest]

but i did damage control 2 with hestia cause i didnt think much of it

i regret my foolishness

[willow quest]

ik

[analog oasis]

Watch this

[willow quest]

(idk what interchangeably means)

[willow quest]

nice

[willow quest]

i bet i could beat 73 fear

[analog oasis]

That doesn't exist

[willow quest]

yk what make it 100

[willow quest]

make it 120 then

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

[analog oasis]

Someone made a mod for Hades 1 that makes Heat 99

[willow quest]

i WOULD beat that

[analog oasis]

Haelian only made it like, 2 rooms

[sour widget]

There's a new H2 mod that adds like 15 new vows

[analog oasis]

No thanks

[sour widget]

https://thunderstore.io/c/hades-ii/p/ReadEmAndWeep/Nightmare_Fear/

[coral hamlet]

So I’m almost done with the game it seems. Unless I start doing those crazy speed run or heat 60 runs.

[willow quest]

make it 200.

watch me

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-even-funnier-the-second-time-spongebob-spongebob-meme-meme-impact-font-gif-20058612

[analog oasis]

Eclipse may actually be useful

[willow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/bleood-sahur-tung-tung-sahur-larp-larp-larp-sahur-gif-2052651206952117550

[lofty oriole]

I feel like the fear system is a lot more balanced than heat, no vows that impact your current build like UC or RI

So I’d say heat is a lot harder. Though this is coming from me who’s only done up to 32Heat

[analog oasis]

I've only done up to 60

[willow quest]

routine inspection is NOT balanced

[analog oasis]

Need to re-download from Nintendo eshop fr

[lofty oriole]

…that’s my point lol

[willow quest]

ik

[lofty oriole]

Oh you were agreeing lmao

[analog oasis]

What about the one that blocks boons?

[willow quest]

yea i realised how that sounded now lol

[lofty oriole]

Vow of Forfeit affects your future build rather than current

It just delays you getting what you want but doesn’t affect your current build (aka nothing)

[willow quest]

is hades 2 better in yalls opinion

[lofty oriole]

Whereas UC forces you to gut your build. Which sux

[analog oasis]

Vow of Denial can actually help on the other hand by blocking useless things

[analog oasis]

Both games scratch different itches

[lofty oriole]

I feel like the gameplay is a lot better, tho I prefer the dialogue and humour in H1. Aspects feel a lot more satisfying to use and most weapons are viable at higher fear

[sour widget]

Anvil circe funny

[willow quest]

i dont like the mana or magic system in hades 2 or whatever its called

the blue stuff

[analog oasis]

Is your Switch having a seizure?!

[willow quest]

i really dont like it actually

[sour widget]

PC uh let me resend it

It's steam recording

[analog oasis]

Oh. I play on Switch so my brain defaulted

[sour widget]

IDK why the clips have so much trouble like sometimes they don't load for me

[lofty oriole]

It really depends on the aspect tbh. Most weps tend to do just fine without even needing Magick

[willow quest]

i also dont like the omega system i think that's what it was called

i prefered the simplicity of hades 1

[willow quest]

thats good

[sour widget]

Most weapons don't use it anyways

But it adds variety to the weapons

[analog oasis]

Magick seems to be just a fun buffer

[lofty oriole]

I think the biggest chance I preferred was Cast

[sour widget]

More than just "attack, special, dash attack, and cast"

[lofty oriole]

Just makes runs so much safer

Didn’t really like Casting in H1 unless it was Beo or Hera

How many hours have you played? Might be worth just getting used to the system 👀

[willow quest]

cast in hades 1 was great but i feel like 70% of the time you dont use it at all and 30% you use a lot

[analog oasis]

Aspect of Beowulf making you take extra damage was crappy

All hidden aspects then had a negative besides Arthur and Lucifer

[willow quest]

thats what i liked abt it lol

[willow quest]

i never liked beowulf, it feels very weird to use

[sour widget]

Preferences are fine. H1 weapons just got locked into either being short range or long range with no in-between since there was so few moves

[analog oasis]

The Daedalus hammer that makes the rush a shot is good with it

[sour widget]

Adding omegas gives weapons more variety, even if you don't use them

You can give a short range weapon a long range ability that has viability in the right cases

[willow quest]

doesnt that make it close to aspect of hera

but better damage

[analog oasis]

Yeah but you take more damage

[willow quest]

oh

i really like guan yu and hera

[analog oasis]

My favorite Aspect was Eris and Lucifer

[willow quest]

eris is very op

[lofty oriole]

I also found most of the Zag weps kinda boring for the most part

[analog oasis]

Yeah, shocker there. Liked Eris gun before she dropped

[willow quest]

but it feels boring

[lofty oriole]

I do like that Mel’s aspects are actually viable compared to Zag’s

[analog oasis]

They were never worth using

[lofty oriole]

All of Mel’s weps have a Max fear win which is p nice

Dodge knuckles were okay iirc. But ye I didn’t really vibe with the other zag weps

[willow quest]

the only time they had a use was zag fists in a dodge build but it's more of a troll build

[willow quest]

yea

[analog oasis]

Gilgamesh was basically Wounds but enemy buffs

Think it was called Maimed or something

[lofty oriole]

Ye Maimed

Claws of Enkidu

[willow quest]

maim

[lofty oriole]

Damage was so bad even with 4 dashes 💀

[willow quest]

i never found the 4 dashes useful idk why

[analog oasis]

Maim causes the target to take an additional 25% damage and deal an additional 50% more damage to Zagreus. It lasts 4 seconds and deals a Doom-like burst of damage when it expires.

[willow quest]

thats lowk trash

never really used it

[analog oasis]

Just use Demeter or Talos

[lofty oriole]

Also how did the convo drift to this?

[sour widget]

Hephaestus BEAT THESE MEN WITH HAMMERS

Is the video working for you guys I can never tell cause it's broken on my end

[lofty oriole]

Do you feel like a winner …’s circle? 🫢

[analog oasis]

Uh the game had a stroke

[lofty oriole]

Ye

[willow quest]

its frozen

[sour widget]

Yeah IDK why tf my steam recordings randomly break but not my windows or OBS recordings

[willow quest]

im gonna try hades 2 again

[analog oasis]

Switch 2 recordings don't break

[willow quest]

it works

[sour widget]

I am copying it straight from steam usually

This was exported as an HVEC video

So it works now I guess just the steam copy messes it up

[rotund badger]

this goes crazy, but also sea star on the onion is a crazy level of cruelty from poseidon lol

[analog oasis]

Yea I didn't win that time. Best still at 65

[rotund badger]

Shame, looked fun

[analog oasis]

See? Still at 65

[analog oasis]

Fun build but not 67 Fear worthy unfortunately

[willow quest]

is aspect of circe good

[analog oasis]

Is the sky blue?

[sour widget]

Top 5 aspect easily

Though more likely even top 3

[willow quest]

im not an experienced player bro

[sour widget]

I mean it's great just simply by being staff to begin with

[sour widget]

Okay but it's like saying "is Aspect of Eris good?"

Like even if you don't know, it's a top tier aspect

[analog oasis]

Of course it is

Self induced DPS

Circe having 2 casts means that cast damage with like, Anvil Ring goes nuts

And Psychic Leash and Raki is just chef's kiss

[sour widget]

Anvil ring is pretty funny but storm ring still beats it without requiring winners circle

But the room control on winners circle anvil ring is hilarious

And you can push storm ring further with double strike

The DPS of storm ring without winners circle is about the same as anvil with winners circle

Now if you want REALLY funny you can do the sword ring hostile environment wiggle

Does nearly 3x the DPS of anvil or storm ring circe lol

Can also slap on momus as well

[worldly moat]

Only require 2 duo boons and having to use that useless ass cast until then 🥀

[sour widget]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

I know it's a joke

[worldly moat]

I actually didnt even know that was possible in the first place tbf lol

Never took ares cast seriously

[sour widget]

Yeah lol it's "if the enemy gets slowed by the cast, put a blade on them" but doesn't count whether the enemy exited and entered the cast again

It also does work without coffin nail

So technically you only need one duo to use it but cutting edge literally doubles the damage

Easy way to make it somewhat viable is to take gale or meat grinder to strip wards

The urge to make the really funny omega cast build

[gilded ravine]

last gasp

[coarse drift]

first surface W i got really sloppy at the end

[sour widget]

You trying for the funny challenge on the speedrun discord?

[gilded ravine]

i got athena, then entered summit before checking my jpom and i realized i had last gasp

so i just proc'd them all thru summit

[sour widget]

FYI, just as a tip, black fleece doesn't buff anything besides damage dealt directly by your omegas. So something like Lion fang would be better since the damage buff would apply to everything

Global damage buff vs omega damage buff

[gilded ravine]

ye fleece is kinda ass huh

[tacit zephyr]

I'll probably need to give up Fate's Whim again in hope of DDs (thanks to losing them to Zagreus) but this was a really good Siren fight, sub-26s. And even with a Zag in Erebus (which I'd guess is likely nonoptimal for time?) I'm... well, on a good track?

[sour widget]

On UW you usually don’t get many boons after region 2. Often fields can even not give you a single boon besides from the warden fights

So gorgon amulet is pretty standard for region 3

Usually by the time you reach fields you have every boon for your build that accepts Poms

Also echo can give a DD refill

And yeah zag in Erebus eats up a lot of time but that doesn’t seem like it’s an issue with the fact you’re not anywhere near running out of time

[tacit zephyr]

Good to know. Though I did lose Howling Soul for it

[sour widget]

Howling soul is easily one of my least favorite things in the game

It has very niche moments where I’m thankful I have it but more often I’m getting annoyed by it entirely missing what I’m aiming at due to the god awful tracking

[west minnow]

goodbye typhon

getting two daedalus hammers that upped the efficiency of my rockets plus a bunch of scorch and maxing out my hex was awesome

[sour widget]

Yeah scorch rockets are fun

[west minnow]

also shoutout to self healing and a rare bounce back making 90% of the damage i took literally nothing

[olive vigil]

i've intentionally taken athena to get rid of howling soul before lol

[neat jewel]

Most Beach Ball damage I've ever seen wtf

[gilded ravine]

ye balls good

[tacit zephyr]

2nd best time so far in general and Eos PB, including a Zagreus fight.

Erebus Zag specifically

[coral hamlet]

What are the best athena grabs?

[olive vigil]

depends on need; if you’re out of defiances it’s obvious, if you have a godsent twilight curse then extra ammo kicks ass for that, stalwart stand if high fear on a non mana intensive aspect

I like defensive posture a lot for rivals Typhon cause I’m bad

[tacit zephyr]

Doesn't Athena require being out of DDs unless you're on Olympus?

[lean bloom]

yes
you have to use the trinket if you want her to spawn in the underworld

otherwise on the surface she can spawn on just olympus I believe, with seemingly random chance not based on anything

If you need to talk to her to progress story, not hearts, you can use the trinket with no dds in erebus to quickly farm her

I did that for arachne's questline

[olive vigil]

oh that’s right I haven’t used definaces in forever lol my bad!

[rocky steppe]

Isn't there a bit where you have to talk to her on olympus?

Or did they change that

[lean bloom]

I think one part early on
but i ended up getting that on accident in one of my rare surface runs

[lean bloom]

I still run the dd card (usually with toula my beloved)
it's more of a safety net, since sometimes I get careless and get hit a ton lmao

[rocky steppe]

As long as you're not running strength and death at the same time

[lean bloom]

yeah I never use strength
tried using setups with it and no dd and got humbled immediately

[rocky steppe]

You shall see the light eventually

[lean bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frog-laughing-gif-25708743

nice
now do the post game >:)

[rocky steppe]

Based

The real game starts now

[lean bloom]

the "beat the game with every aspect" prophecy is making me suffer
I avoided using most of the aspects and stuck to a couple weapons for most of the game

[olive vigil]

when you finish a run with all your defiances then it’s time to use strength. Once you turn on scars 3 go back to death

Do whatever makes your heart sing

[lean bloom]

atleast with aspects i dont use much the dd has helped quite a bit
I get carried away with a new op strat and get humbled

[olive vigil]

Sub 10 surface, I would have lost to the tail if I took wantler

[olive vigil]

my recommendation stands strength means you kill stuff faster so you get hit less

[lean bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[rocky steppe]

Just use zeus

[lean bloom]

it's not that it's difficult but rather time consuming lol

each run takes me around 20-25 minutes

[cursive panther]

HOLY BOONS

2 DUOS BOON BEFORE HECATE

[rocky steppe]

Learn the speedrun routes, you can get down to 7-10 minutes with very little effory

[sour widget]

I assumed they meant real time

[neat jewel]

2 star Antler!!!

Galaxy brain Harmonic Photon take into Fields to get Blinding Rush for Origination and safety lmao, lost Gigaros though

[rocky steppe]

Ok then 10-15 minutes real time

[winter basalt]

Got the Prophecy from ||Chaos|| where you have to take their keepsake all the way to victory.
E Z P Z Momus go brrr 😎

[cunning hatch]

the strength damage boost is so overstated, 20% additive is effectively nothing once you add any other damage boosts in the mix like percent boons or even other arcana

[sour widget]

Except that it matters a lot in early game and if you don’t need death defiances why would you not want extra damage?

Also it applies to ALL damage since it’s a global buff

There’s not a lot of global damage buffs in the game

So it buffs things that can’t be buffed without global damage, like heph blasts, scorch, Poseidon waves, etc

Yes strength disappears a lot endgame but early on an extra 20% damage before origination can mean the difference between two-hit kills and one-hit kills

[cunning hatch]

i dont find myself struggling with earlygame ever, and it doesnt sound like they do either. especially since they dont seem to be running high fear

[sour widget]

Well you usually drop it for death defiances on 62 fear or with just scars 3 since it’s just the safer option and strength becomes way less viable when healing isn’t an option

[cunning hatch]

death defiance opens up moros pin, toula, skelly tooth, it even makes white antler takeable in the final region especially if you have some armor. it allows you to get the athena boon for a free death defiance every room. it makes chronos instakill not instakill

[sour widget]

I mean I take wantler with strength

But yes death defiances are objectively the safer option

Also if you’re getting hit by Chronos instakill that’s literally a skill issue

Also you can get stalwart stand without death defiances

You can get it while using strength if you’re really that desperate

[cunning hatch]

seems like a waste of strength at that point no?

[sour widget]

If you need it then why are you running strength 🤷‍♂️

It’s just that they’re different options for different purposes

One is objectively gonna get you from point A to point B faster

And as you get better strength becomes better

Death defiance lets you claw back a losing run with region 3 refills and buying DD’s

[cunning hatch]

dont even really agree with that, final boss doesnt even need to be dodged when running death defiances. especially if you use moros pin. that extra +3% total multiplicative damage on your attack on a possessed array run is worth so much less than moros pin

[sour widget]

Lovers arcana exists if you really want to tank the instakill

Like genuinely also if you’re using p-array and can’t out-damage the instakill that’s an issue

The highest damage output in the game

[cunning hatch]

my point isnt that death defiance is absolutely necessary to eek out a win, my point is that strength does nothing and death lets you turn off your brain

[sour widget]

Then do that if that’s what you want to do but arguing that something that is objectively better for damage “does nothing” is kinda a silly take

[rocky steppe]

I take antler strength all the time lmao

[sour widget]

Antler is literally the same concept as strength. If they’re dead faster they can’t hurt me

[rocky steppe]

Strength is just objectively better than death defiances for non scar 3 runs

Both are perfectly viable tho

20% damage is just better than no buff at all

[cunning hatch]

strength is fine for people who like it, my issue is recommending to every player "youve evolved, its time to move on to strength"

[rocky steppe]

Yeah, and if they don't like it, they can go back to dd's

But saying strength does nothing just isn't true

[cunning hatch]

my original ping wasnt directed at either of you, it was lando recommending strength to somebody who was just trying to win with all aspects. who said "with aspects i dont use much the dd has helped quite a bit" and lando replied "strength means you kill stuff faster so you get hit less"

telling a less experienced player they need to use strength because they got a few wins under their belt and have evolved past death, and citing the HUGE increase in kill speed as the reason for this, is bad advice imo

[rocky steppe]

It isn't bad advice tho

[sour widget]

Yeah just winning

On any fear strength is so damn easy

[rocky steppe]

Strength does make the game easier, and having the damage resist means that dd's are less needed

[sour widget]

Like everything does tickle damage and the amount of healing and health you get makes strength so free

[cunning hatch]

again, this player literally said they get humbled and use death defiances when using a new strat

[sour widget]

Strength genuinely gets more value than DD’s at low fear

Healing is cheap, DD’s are not

I get it that DD’s let you claw back a run but so does buying health at shops

[rocky steppe]

There isn't really a guaranteed way to refill them either

[abstract pike]

what about DDs and antler making the last region significantly easier? how is strength objectively better

[sour widget]

Now that’s asking a person to play wantler which is a considerably different debate from strength

Imho

[cunning hatch]

if im ever missing a dd i get it offered at like, the majority of hermes shrines/charon well i see afterwards. and very often in final shop too

[rocky steppe]

Take any amount of armour, snow queen, nitro boost, make sure you have lovers, but if someone is struggling but still taking antler, then it's a different story

[sour widget]

You also get offered food at almost all of them which costs a 5th as much

[rocky steppe]

Still not a 100% chance

I've had plenty of runs at 62 just not offer a single refill in fields or tart

From athena, echo, or anywhere

[sour widget]

Just like I get it death gives you a safety net but I think people just are willing to take damage more when they can see the safety net

[cunning hatch]

i do indeed, and taking damage is fun

[sour widget]

They also recommended strength to a person who never even used death defiances

So objectively they didn’t need them

And only made themselves weaker by having them 🤷‍♂️

[cunning hatch]

"atleast with aspects i dont use much the dd has helped quite a bit
I get carried away with a new op strat and get humbled"

this implied to me that they are using the dds

this person is playing on brand new aspects they have no experience with, and losing death defiances as they try to learn the ropes. why is the safer choice (death) not recommended here over the ever so slightly faster choice (strength)

[sour widget]

Because you wouldn’t use the death defiances most likely if you took 40% less damage 🤷‍♂️

If you’re playing on any fear there’s so much healing that the 40% damage reduction has more value than DD’s

It only becomes weaker than DD’s when healing isn’t an option

[rocky steppe]

Unless they're doing rivals 4 or smth like that strength is still gonna be safer 99% of the time

[cunning hatch]

then i guess it just depends on whether we interpret this as them losing death defiances in normal rooms or them using death defiances in boss fights. im assuming a person who has beaten the game once and is just trying out new aspects is good enough to not die in regular rooms, but not yet good enough to be super consistent in bosses. in my experience, and from what seems to be the common consensus, strength is better for survivability if youre taking consistent damage in all rooms. if you just need to load up on boss survivability, death defiances get you further

-40% damage is still very loseable against a boss, losing all 3 death defiances is considerably less likely for a newer player i would bet. and again, toula, skelly tooth, moros pin

[sour widget]

I guess the way to put it is that death defiances give you more potential damage taken in a single encounter, which I assume is what you’re saying

[cunning hatch]

yep

[sour widget]

Also just FYI skelly tooth is still an option with strength

If you absolutely need it

[cunning hatch]

if you just chose death to begin with then you wouldnt be "resorting to suboptimal strength/death mixing" by taking tooth, you would just be "making your death run better"

not so much about absolutely needing it either, just a nice safety net for a less experienced player. they dont know for sure if they need it, but better safe than sorry

loading up on dds is a very common strat for newer players who are scared of bosses, its just something they naturally gravitate towards

[sour widget]

Then if they want a safety net they can go for gods like heph or aphro for damage reduction and armor

Aphro makes bosses do tickle damage with strength

[cunning hatch]

sure, or they can do that AND have death and now they have two safety nets. instead of one safety net and one +3% damage boost on their attack and a 20% damage boost on their scorch

[sour widget]

Cast damage, blast damage, blade damage, god effects. There’s a considerable number of builds that vastly prefer those over % boons

I sure as hell ain’t running % on my Hel attack

Just saying the debate could go on forever. It’s two ways to play the game and there isn’t a right way. Just there’s times it’s better and there’s times it isn’t

If you wanna use DD’s go right ahead but some people also enjoy playing strength. I get I say “objectively better” but I’m also not trying to face tank every hit

Not unless I’m speedrunning

[rocky steppe]

Speedrunning arcana doesn't even allow for facetanks

[sour widget]

I still usually run persistence cause the aspects I play need it

Early magick is necessary for Moros, Hel, p-array skull

Eos

They can’t survive early game without persistence and I usually get enough unintentional health by the end that I can facetank

[cunning hatch]

sure, i agree for sure. and i think every new player SHOULD try out strength to see if they like it. if you want to convince me that strength is better for certain playstyles, certain builds, certain skill levels, certain fear setups - no convincing needed, i already agree, and those scenarios arent rare either

but selling strength to somebody whos ALREADY losing dds on unfamiliar aspects, because "that 20% extra damage makes rooms go so much faster", is something i push back on. i think the community prescribing strength to evey single person who gets their first clear is overstated, and it can make novice players think "uh, this strength doesnt feel as good as my DDs, i feel like it just takes 5 seconds of panicking/spiraling against a boss and im dead. but i gotta stick with it because everybody says strength is the obvious choice once youre decently at the game". i simply want to push back against this, and push back against the notion that strength gives cracked damage by reminding players than the 20% is additive, not multiplicative

from what i see, the debate between strength and death defiances leans strength more than 75% of the time on reddit threads, and discord chats like this one. and that overwhelming majority is not warranted especially for newer players who appreciate the safety that death + toula + pin/tooth give them. selling them on a 20% damage boost without clarifying its additive not multiplicative feels borderline like misleading novice players, whether intentional or not

[sour widget]

I mean all somebody has to do to see damage isn’t multiplicative is hit something and see they’re not doing 5000 damage

But yes the point is clear

And I need sleep

[cunning hatch]

nah, its more like not noticing the difference between 100 damage and 120, which is very easy for somebody to not catch

but goodnight. thanks for the conversation

[marsh condor]

double fear pb

[neon grail]

62f uw w/ m blades (trick slop ofc)

holy passion rush damage tho

[neat jewel]

I never thought of Trick Knives enabling Passion Rush to be usable lol

Breaker is probably bad for encounters right? But good for bosses

[pliant tiger]

probably unless u have something like arctic ring to keep enemies in place

[lofty oriole]

Pretty nice with Trick slop ye

Works quite well with Mel Axe Gigaros Dashing Seething too

[neat jewel]

Artemis and no special TK runs, Danaid before Tartarus saved me

[neon grail]

ok Apollo attack Anubis is actually really fun (62f surface)

if only I got Slow Cooker instead of Snuffed Candle too lmao

[neat jewel]

Apollo on Anubis sounds so wrong but I've seen 2 screenshots of runs with it today

[pliant tiger]

w

[neon grail]

where's the second one

[pliant tiger]

its actually really solid

so as long as its not ur only dmg source

[neat jewel]

Unused Calling Card btw, had it ready for Apollo special, saw 2 Apollo boons the rest of the run, and both cores he offered me were sacs

[neat jewel]

In Boated discord

[pliant tiger]

lowk had to use a magnifying glass to analyze that victory screen

[neat jewel]

Damn pc snipping tool REALLY compresses stuff apparently lmao

[neon grail]

My omega attack damage is lower than dash strike because I had no gain till Talos

[neat jewel]

Sheesh I cannot imagine using Anubis manaless

[pliant tiger]

i wish i got to see that victory screen fr but i got banned from the boated discord for no reason

[neat jewel]

Oh yeah I remember you used to share screens there too

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/true-correct-why-is-he-olLyDUpnv5z3xhmeyB

[marsh condor]

hey me from 16:45, that's PATHETIC
here's the NEW double fear pb

and i STILL CANT BEAT GREAT CHAOS ABOVE

[marsh condor]

grave thirst carry btw
For surface

[neat jewel]

DAMN it seems like yesterday you posted your first clear here

[marsh condor]

i forgot when i first posted here
but i got the game 32 days ago, and beat chronos for the first time 29 days ago

[pliant tiger]

cant wait for ur 62f clear in about two weeks from now 🔥

[neat jewel]

My download to 50f was like 20 days but my 50f to 62f was like 40 days

[marsh condor]

62f

[marsh condor]

dang hows bro so fast

[sonic frigate]

just beat ||Rivals Cyclops|| without getting ||poisoned|| using Aspect of ||Shiva||!! incredibly fun weap

[neat jewel]

Jobless is how

20 days was like 120 hours lmao

[marsh condor]

DANG
im around 120 hours too actually
so we pretty similar
just er
spread across more days
120 hours in 20 days....

[marsh condor]

i can finally say it: gca is harder than 50f surface

[pliant tiger]

took me like 1 month to get to 50f and 2 months to get to 62f after 50f

and then 6 months after 62f to get max fear

[neat jewel]

I heard you're in real school though

I'm in fake school (teacher training) so I have all the time in the world

[pliant tiger]

yeah im still in high school lol

lowk couldve been an academic god but im too lazy

so i put all that wasted effort into this game

[lean rivet]

you can do it!

[marsh condor]

i will try
but like checkmate above, i also have school
rn doing gca
and wow its actually so easy after doing 50f, i was wrong
since the game didnt give me frenzy 2 im at higher risk of dying because i didnt pay attention due to boredom instead of actual difficulty

[pliant tiger]

A FELLOW STUDENT LETS GOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/cyclops-ryu-dap-me-up-dap-dap-up-gif-2485274535169214603

[marsh condor]

[sonic frigate]

rivals eris immediately clapped me lmao

[neat jewel]

Yeah she's really annoying, tips are stay behind her as much as possible and destroy the hellfire bombs from afar

[pliant tiger]

i wouldnt mind eris clapping me tho shiiii

[neat jewel]

Once you know what she does you'll mostly just get hit by being unlucky with stupid patterns like her turning in an unpredictable direction

[lofty oriole]

Oo congrats on the 50s!

[lofty oriole]

Most bosses tend to just be “Get behind them and hit them really hard” 👀

Well except for Scylla I guess lol

[neat jewel]

And Typhon lol

[neat jewel]

You've got some real potential, man

[charred cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/dread-gif-9297534368979050018

[pliant tiger]

she can create some strife in my room if u feel me

[charred cypress]

Bro this ain't some victory to be boasting, cuh

[pliant tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-lightning-crash-out-gif-4015029622416133418

[analog oasis]

U called?

[analog oasis]

Huh

[pliant tiger]

not you

[analog oasis]

Glad I beat you that time

[pliant tiger]

the other eris

https://giphy.com/gifs/jjk-itadori-yuji-ltXRHWVSNDKNP63uNF

[analog oasis]

There's only one Strife Incarnate

[pliant tiger]

nah nah nah ur an imitation

[coarse island]

It’s fun. Also instead try aphro attack Anubis. Thank me later.

It’s surprisingly good?! 😭

[neat jewel]

If only it calculated "nearby" from the radius of the attack itself lol

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-thanos-cooking-rpUEvcQH5MvoJFAT4z

[neat jewel]

Origination from Smolder Ring and "Fourth Degree" lmao, I was like "omg Arterial Spray + King Tide?" when I saw Ares in Erebus midshop, not knowing I was only going to see 1 more Poseidon boon for the rest of the run and it wasn't even Slippery Slope (Hydraulic Might lol), that special damage though, thanks to Killing Stroke + Hidden Whirling Helix

Also took Tooth into Fields after the worst Scylla of my life so I could keep Gigaros lol

[coarse island]

It worked really well for my 62

[pliant tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/STRAPPEDUS-speed-ishowspeed-i-show-lxxOGaDRk4f7R5TkBd

[thorn wolf]

unfathomably peak

[lean rivet]

mono heph done!! (9/9) clang clang clang too strong

[pliant tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-absolute-cinema-peak-cinema-salmon-jjk-gif-6981231960394212546

[lean rivet]

now i need to find something else to do

[lofty oriole]

Mono Ares all weps

[lean rivet]

💀

i cant do it

[olive vigil]

toula challenge

[lean rivet]

yall hate me

i'll try 65f surely someday i'll be able to do it

[lofty oriole]

You can do it!

use circe

[lean rivet]

i'm trying with mel staff, got to hecate, i'll give it a shot a few runs a day

maybe circe is the way idk

[lofty oriole]

I hate how super rng 65 can feel. But I guess it's part of its gimmick 💀

Usually start with Persistence, Artificer and one of Messenger/Runner/Sorceress (If using omegas)
Then pray for DDs/Lovers to survive sirens 😂

[marsh condor]

thanks

[lofty oriole]

62 Fear tomorrow yeah?

[marsh condor]

i get the reference

[marsh condor]

errrrr
Thats a bit of a long stretch but i try

[marsh condor]

yay

[lofty oriole]

Think we've all said that at some point lol

Then a week later... "Omg first 62 fear "

[marsh condor]

rn looking at a 62f vow selection
Holy heck this is scary
They indeed called it fear for a reason

[gilded ravine]

62f is fairly daunting but it is legitimately a level where u can get consistent clears once u get used to it

40f still banger achievement that's like 8f above game-recognized 32f

[marsh condor]

i was genuinely trying for my first typhon win not too long ago lol
This vow selection screen is half the battle

[gilded ravine]

lmao real

[harsh mica]

best/fastest surface morrigan run

[marsh condor]

taking tons of dmg at tail is so real

[lofty oriole]

It's funny how Vow of Return felt like a nothing vow at lower fear, but at 62 I want those green blobs to fkn die 😭 😂

[lean rivet]

my body is a machine that transforms parray born gain erebus into horrible time runs

[lean rivet]

for 65f circe do you think toula is the play? or is it still gale?

tbh i should just look at h2crossroads and see what people are doing, watch some runs

[lofty oriole]

Raki is probably the most optimal familiar for damage

You can never go wrong with Gale though

except with Nergal

[lean rivet]

i see

[lofty oriole]

Gale's fine especially if you're not used to 65ing yet

deffo not biased whatsoever 🫢

[marsh condor]

real
I almost got poly to second phase on 67f

[lofty oriole]

Woah that's pretty good progress 😮

[lean rivet]

i might run 62 with void to get used to it

[marsh condor]

ty
Atp im gonna get my first 67f clear before my first gca clear

[lofty oriole]

That would be a ridiculous flex lmao

[lofty oriole]

Fighting bosses without lovers is such a vibe check

You realise how much Lovers has carried you the entire time 😭

[marsh condor]

i think i can totally get thru ephyra today
And maybe get to eris
But not beyond eris
Gosh its like playing the game from the start all over again

[lofty oriole]

Eris honestly feels like a coin toss of a fight sometimes. Some runs she's insanely easy, and other runs I dash left instead of right and just die 💀

[marsh condor]

realest thing ive seen today so far

[marsh condor]

im gonna go talk to my crush if i somehow manage a 62f clear today

[rotund hamlet]

its easier than youd expect you got it

[analog oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/you-make-a-deal-you-gotta-live-up-to-it-you-got-to-see-your-promises-through-you-have-to-come-through-on-your-promises-you-have-to-live-to-your-deals-gif-16067689

[marsh condor]

people take months to get a 62 after getting a 50
This is tomorrow of getting a 50
But i can get to 2nd phase of the first region boss

[lofty oriole]

“I just beat 62 Fear in this videogame. Wanna grab coffee?” 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[rocky steppe]

It took me like a month of attempts all up to go from 60 to 62

[lofty oriole]

Best of luck tho 🙏😂

My progression was a bit longer iirc

I think it was 2 months between my first 62, 65 and then 67

October December Feb

[rocky steppe]

It's just trying and practising until you get 'the run'

[lofty oriole]

Legit

[analog oasis]

Took me about 7 or so months to get a 67 after a 62 in Early Access after the Unseen Update

So June (?) And January I did it

So 7 months

That took forever

That may also be because of being employed too

I work 2 jobs which takes up a majority of my time and I don't have a day off until July

Because that will be when I go back to Japan

[rotund hamlet]

jeez

[analog oasis]

One of my jobs can actually kill me too

I work with venomous animals

[rotund hamlet]

ooh cool like what

[analog oasis]

We have stonefish, and various snake species that can deliver fatal bites.

Foolish can tell you all about stonefish. He's Australian

[marsh condor]

I keep getting timed out in erebus

[analog oasis]

How on Earth?

[marsh condor]

lol

[analog oasis]

You doing 67? Or 62?

[marsh condor]

sheesh
Ye i aint making it

[marsh condor]

62
Moros

[analog oasis]

My favorite Aspect

[rotund hamlet]

are you getting arachne/midshop scammed

[marsh condor]

how did you do it

[marsh condor]

no im getting those

[analog oasis]

Luck and White Antler Tartarus. JPom start.

[rotund hamlet]

how much time are you entering hecate with

[analog oasis]

Sworn Strike does wonders too and also Hereditary Bane

[worldly moat]

On moros is crazy lowkey, might be playing too passive

[marsh condor]

wantler is unavoidable? Is it realistic to use pin?

[analog oasis]

No

[marsh condor]

ye probs
Focusing on not dying

[lofty oriole]

Tart pin is absolutely fine

[analog oasis]

If entering Tart with 5 minutes? Yes

[worldly moat]

Wantler isnt necessary for tart until like 67

[marsh condor]

0

[lofty oriole]

Wantler is only if you’re confident/running low on time

[worldly moat]

Yeah its erebus and youre on moros so you gotta play like things will explode because they will

[rotund hamlet]

yea sounds like you're clearing rooms unreasonably slow

[marsh condor]

idk how to clear it any faster

[marsh condor]

everythings lethal
But that also means i cant be right up im their faces the whole time

[analog oasis]

Well yeah, its 62 Fear

[worldly moat]

Have you watched the moros 62+ clears?? It has a verified 67 vod for uw iirc too

[rotund hamlet]

yeah watch a 62 clear

[lofty oriole]

Crossroads have quite a few vids

[worldly moat]

Moros should never have timer issues unless youre getting gain scammed the entire region

[analog oasis]

Moros was my first 62 actually

[lofty oriole]

A 65 clear could be good to watch too since whatever they do, you can do too

[worldly moat]

So watch a vod and try to get a better idea on being aggressive

[lofty oriole]

And they play a lot safer

[marsh condor]

aight

[analog oasis]

Treat Moros Flames like shooting explosive bullets after you Omega Special

[coarse island]

I think it was Jan, Late Jan, then March for me.

[lofty oriole]

My goat 👏

You young people improve so fast 👨‍🦳