#h2-builds-and-combat

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turbid karma
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I wish I had a screenshot of that, what a nasty combo

spiral wadi
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tru, incentivizing omega usage would be very good

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the hex kinda does that with the omen effect but it's immediately consumed from a single omega instance, meaning omega special rockets don't actually get full value

wild drift
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I thought as long as they had the moon icon on them they would be taking more omega damage

spiral wadi
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i'm fairly sure, it's based on testimony from other high fear runners + i think a vid exists demonstrating it

delicate sorrel
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What are some fun Heph builds? I avoided him but lately I’ve been enjoying Heroic max level Heph attack on Medea (+seismic servo), just bonking around like a maniac

mystic mango
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The heartthrobs would actually go crazy with medea

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But you would have to lean into sunny disposition which would do nothing until you got love handles

wild drift
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Heph's best partners are Hestia>Poseidon>Apollo>Aphrodite/Demeter

flint widget
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fun heph build?

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uh circe anvil ring and pray that u get winners circle

spark crown
delicate sorrel
delicate sorrel
spark crown
wild drift
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Most fun on Supay because it literally just does it for you

mystic mango
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Yeah that's why I did that meme build on supay

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If you activate omega special before dark side it actually remains active

wild drift
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Does Artemis parry sheepball?

wild drift
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Apparently not but it can parry OHKO and I just lost a DD to try to parry OHKO off cooldown lmao

mystic mango
surreal hazel
mystic mango
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Yeah anything that actually deals damage

tough torrent
rare grove
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there's some serious comedy to be had if you have a heph attack then bridal glow as second boon from hera, unreliable but hilarious

manic shuttle
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Ecstatic Obsession can absorb the sheepball

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Haven't seen his before, news for me

spiral wadi
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ye, charmed/summoned enemies can take sheep ball it's sick

split igloo
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do Exceptional Talent and Giga Cleaver stack?

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if so, does o spec hit 3x or 4x

spiral wadi
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et and gc causes it to do 4x

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as long as u don't have sudden cleaver (which makes it impossible to cast chain each wave) u get 4 ocasts

split igloo
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4x o spec is cracked, how is this allowed

spiral wadi
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it's ok it's balanced by glorious disaster not working on it

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would be too op if it were true

opal pecan
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"balanced"

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Balanced he says....

bleak jackal
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Are the hidden aspects supposed to be better than the others, or just different?

spiral wadi
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they mainly offer unique playstyles/takes on the wep

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not necessarily better but like a different way to play

split igloo
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Shiva, Morrigan and Hel are the least scuffed and basically playable out of the box, Anubis is okay if you get specific boons and spam the omega special, Supay requires ultra specific boons from 3 gods only, Nergal requires a specific hammer + a legendary otherwise it's a low fear facetanking machine

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my impressions after 100+ hours, don't claim to be objective

lime moth
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Anubis is literally goated, easy runs with Anubis

split igloo
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I don't like the pull mechanic, it makes it hard to use the regular specials without taking damage

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and IMO you can get a much smoother experience with Circe, as Anubis' whole gimmick is a big pseudo cast and Circe does this better

opal pecan
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You can dislike it, but I don't think disliking it is the same as it being weaker

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Nergal has been used at high Fear for facetanking due to its heal bypassing Scars, for instance

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*I say facetanking, but really this is a relative thing lol

split igloo
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I'm sure there's a strong build for each of the hidden aspects, but like I said for some of them it gets very specific
for a more casual player it's not worth re-rolling the RNG over and over until you land that meme build

opal pecan
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I just disagree that you need any Legendaries to make Nergal playable

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And I'm speaking as an axe hater who especially hates Nergal 😆

lime moth
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I used to be an axe main when I started playing LOL

split igloo
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it needs Psychic Whirlwind + Exceptional Talent, otherwise you're better off just using one of the other axes

opal pecan
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ET is nice, but it isn't necessary

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I don't think I took ET a single time

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And again, I personally prefer Than axe, but I have seen the evidence that Nergal can do very well, ET or no

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*Than axe or just not an axe at all LOL

split igloo
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the removal of the ranged omega special really limits the potential of Nergal

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yeah, I also prefer Thanatos, it's my fav aspect in the game, it's super good with basically any boons

flint widget
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OH MY GOD

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I DID IT

opal pecan
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Jesus, y'all are on fire today lol

clear sail
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I just wanna find the person who told me to use strength cuz it was better than having DDs bc they lied T_T

opal pecan
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I probably wasn't the specific person who told you it, but I'd stand by it

split igloo
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lucked out into a pretty strong Supay build
hestia rush + special + pyro technique, aphro's glamour gain + sweet surrrender, plus their duo for infinite scorch
the build is completely automated! you only need to hold sprint, origination is applied automagically
deals a lot of damage

cursive kindle
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Maybe i just suck at not getting hit hehe

opal pecan
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The only advantages of DDs over Strength are:

  1. Vow of Scars
  2. instakills
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And gramps is the only (unavoidable) instakill source in the game

cursive kindle
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Plus uh you have much more hp

opal pecan
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Strength reduces your damage taken

cursive kindle
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Oh right

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Forgot about that

split igloo
opal pecan
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And on top of that, killing enemies faster also gives them less time to hit you

cursive kindle
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I should try using it

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Well, i did use it in the past, but that was before someone helped me with my arcana, i used to use both strength and DDs

split igloo
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don't use both

cursive kindle
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Yea i figured i should not do it lol

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Im glad that person helped me

split igloo
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the whole point of Strength is it makes your hit points last for much longer, but with DD's you will be on your last leg when it finally activates, so it's wasted

cursive kindle
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True

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I think i've beaten the game while using both

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Maybe im awesome!

opal pecan
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I mean, you can definitely beat the game while using both

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It's suboptimal, not game-ending :P

stoic chasm
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does shadow pounce work on possesed array?

clear sail
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I do not get what you guys are on I realized they confined me bc they said oh you'll have 300 health by the time you get to Typhon but I can't START with 300 health so it just means less chances for someone who is Bad at dodging things

gritty widget
wild drift
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Frinos or Gale can help with that

clear sail
wild drift
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Gale at least gives you 6% move speed and dodge chance as well

clear sail
cursive kindle
mystic mango
karmic forge
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Is there any page that displays multiple builds for each aspect?

mystic mango
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This is pinned on this channel

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Whoops didn't mean to ping sorry pizza

karmic forge
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Thanks

stuck plover
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Am I overvaluing Static Shock?

I just chose it over lightning lance when I have Demeter cast AND Arctic Gale, on Aspect of Medea

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...also, surprised by realizing how powerful Engraved Pin is.

It too-uncommonly saves me the DD in the encounter but 10 seconds of invulnerability can be a chance to do a LOT of damage

wild drift
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I personally love both boons but would prioritize Static Shock most of the time

manic shuttle
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Similarly Pin is top tier keepsake

stuck plover
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Which is more severe, one rank of Frenzy or two of Wards plus one of Hubris? (If I trade for Frenzy I'll still have one Hubris).

For Mel blades. Which I've somehow gotten the Testaments to the point where I need to face Chronos at 20 fear while all the other weapons are at the Fear 2 or Fear 4 Testaments lol.

I seem to keep getting a LOT of Gravest Thirst on blades but I also think I'm just better at winning with them than other weapons...

icy crypt
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how much do elements matter to my builds
like are they something i should be building around

broken spoke
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Doesn't matter much until you see infusion boon

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Mostly still doesn't matter much

rare grove
# stuck plover Which is more severe, one rank of Frenzy or two of Wards plus one of Hubris? (If...

hubris on blades is bascially free, maybe you play it way different but im not using too many omegas with them. hubris in general is basically free (just take hecuba on a o-attack/special focused weapon and youll be just fine and if you have zeus take a mana pot over a pom/heart early to prepare for static shock eating 50 mana). learning frenzy 2 takes a while but recommend getting good at it if you wanna push fear

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if youre doing a 6 fear run, frenzy 2 is harder than frenzy 1 wards 2 hubris 1 for sure

stuck plover
rare grove
stuck plover
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In this case I was trying to figure out my setup for Fear 20

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Time 3

ohgodwhat

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I've gotten like, two sub20 runs so far at all

rare grove
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ok do time 2 wards 2 debt 1 then

stuck plover
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(timewise)

rare grove
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sub 20 runs come so much easier once you're using frenzy

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bad guys spawn faster so you can kill em faster

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do you feel confident about rivals scylla

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could also swap out time 3 for rivals 2

stuck plover
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Hmm. Maybe I can practice Frenzy 2 at low fear and get used to it

versed viper
stuck plover
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I haven't gotten very used to rivals Hecate though

rare grove
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getting used to frenzy is bascially just making your peace with losing your next 10 runs per tier of frenzy then you're good to go

stuck plover
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I'm not sure I've done 5 underworld rivals runs yet, I did chaos trial with VoR Scylla a couple times

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I've done much more Surface for rank 2 rivals

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and have found both polyphemus and Eris awful with rivals

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(rivals polyphemus is harder than a whole underworld run at 0 fear, for me lol )

rare grove
stuck plover
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(or at least close)

rare grove
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you just need reps

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and dont panic if you get poisoned

stuck plover
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'phemus is part the poison and part that his boulder shockwave feels way nastier for some reason, I have trouble dodging it in general since it covers so much area and is so fast

rare grove
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dash towards where he's gonna land

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you wont outrun it, you can dash through it tho

stuck plover
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Hmm, alright. Fair enough

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Appreciate the advice, thank you ^^

rare grove
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good luck homie

wild drift
opal pecan
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Does Scorch trigger it?!

spiral wadi
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even if ur own pet like raki decides to poke poly, poly will launch boulders at u

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which is like, what r we doing here

opal pecan
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😭 Yeah that makes no sense.... I don't even mean from a balance perspective, but in terms of how does a bird peckin him or him taking damage from fire that was already on him give him any info about where you are lol

spiral wadi
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ya i'm fairly confident i've reported it during ea, unfortunately poly still go aggro FrinosSmooch

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it's like, cerberus has blacklist for what damage sources proc combobreak counter

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why don't we have that blacklist for poly listen

stuck plover
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I actually didn't realize the boulder was a counter, tbh...

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Maybe I should watch a video of his fight and pay attention

vernal quiver
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tbf you can just ignore it

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i never actually pay attention to when its a counter since dodging it isnt the hardest thing ever and its only r1 so its not like taking the damage is gonna end the run

mystic mango
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Yeah like it's often faster anyways to just deal the damage and move on. Though sometimes the wave patterns can be cruel if the triple boulders line up right

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Since they can be spaced out just enough headed towards you that you can't dodge through them

broken spoke
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Raki no

stuck plover
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Speaking of Raki, thinking about optimal use cases for familiars

Toula: Pro-DD non-Strength runs

Hecuba: Builds that benefit from magic

Raki: Speedrunning builds that don't need extra magic

Frinos: Underworld runs where you want the defense (can block Hecate's morphcurse)

Gale: ? Is a strong defensive pet but unsure when you'd want over Toula or Frinos. Maybe specifically when you expect to get a chance at Wispy Wiles?

mystic mango
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He's also one of the better familiars to use with circe since he always follows you around

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So very predictable for placing double casts

stuck plover
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Ooh, that makes sense

mystic mango
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Raki isn't an end-all-be-all but is generally the best for damage on single targets

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If you're running strength you absolutely don't want toula

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And the 40 health from frinos is pretty pointless after a bit

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So you either take raki for damage, hecuba for magick-heavy aspects, or gale for tanking hits at high fear

wild drift
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I know Toula is relevant for aspects like Circe and Supay where Forfeit really screws you at the start and you want the extra damage (and Toula is just good for Circe in general if you don't mind waking her up which I do so I don't use her)

mystic mango
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That's fair I hadn't considered that toula does add some guaranteed room clear since she can one-shot a lot of region 1 enemies

wild drift
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And I know Frinos is used on Nergal for extra HP, partially because more people use Strength on Nergal

mystic mango
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Yeah since nergal heals through scars 3

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So the damage reduction is inherently better than DD

alpine raft
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in uw at least, shes not as necessary in ephyra

mystic mango
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Even with wards you just gotta help her a little bit by clearing them

stuck plover
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Well, my first Frenzy 2 run at 20+ fear went surprisingly well.

I managed to reach Eris. Which is better than the worst runs I've had with Rivals

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(I had Rivals 2 on)

mystic mango
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Rivals Eris is, in my opinion, easily the boss who is affected the most by Frenzy 2. She flies away so damn often

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You could make that argument for normal Eris as well but usually she dies too fast to fly away. If you deal enough damage and stay on top of her she just stands in place

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But rivals Eris requires a lot more damage to force her into staying put

odd bolt
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Toula with Circe is fun and all and maybe that's an usecase but like... I rather have gale if I need safety

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Same for frinos but at least frinos can eat the sheep ball and if you wanna do a meme max HP build it helps idk

stuck plover
# odd bolt idk if toula has an optimal use case cause the DD is so ass

It's a somewhat subpar DD if you have a lot of HP but 80 HP (and whatever spillover from what took the last "real" DD) and potentially another pin chance is nothing to sneeze at. Though it's moreso the fact that you get that AND probably the best familiar offense outside of Raki that makes meaningful.

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(and also arguably the single best resource boost of all the pets though that's a metaprogression thing rather than an in-run thing)

vernal quiver
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And even then just get lucky lmao

tall notch
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Toula DD is good early game as it brings you to 80 rather than a percentage of your health

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In like Erebus it can full heal you or at least nearly full heal you

surreal hazel
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easily, even with Persistence out of the gate

stuck plover
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(since it activates after the Death DDs)

mystic mango
stuck plover
mystic mango
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At max void you only get The Queen and Judgement

stuck plover
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That is very relevant, yeah

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...huh. That also makes Gorgon Eye oddly attractive for that ONE Athena boon that gives you a DD per room

mystic mango
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You absolutely CAN do that and do a full run with Stalwart Stand

stuck plover
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Stalwart Stand + Engraved Pin is probably really good for high Fear as far as raw winnability. Though less so if you're competing for WR speedruns

surreal hazel
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You get nothing

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Empty the arcana grid and see

mystic mango
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I thought judgement counted since you had nothing equipped, you have to have at least one equipped?

surreal hazel
mystic mango
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I'm dumb lol

surreal hazel
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67 is a whole new ball game to 65

stuck plover
mystic mango
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Until a third wave spawns cause you're playing on max hordes

surreal hazel
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Moros invuln surfing to save time is definitely a thing

mystic mango
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You say "hidden" though as if it isn't an intended feature

stuck plover
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I didn't say it was well hidden, heh

mystic mango
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||Reaching epilogue is entirely about using that feature||

stuck plover
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Ooh

mystic mango
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||It's literally required to 100% the game to use that function||

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You can choose to tank the hit with DD though

stuck plover
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||Obviously the function of the pin itself is what it is||

mystic mango
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||You just have to not have your run end after activating it, whether that means tanking the hit or clearing the room is up to you||

stuck plover
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Ohh

stuck plover
mystic mango
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It's an option

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You can go for damage-taken record lol

broken lichen
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Question, is the ||Pool of Purging|| not unlockable at all in the ||surface||?

mystic mango
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Don't have to spoiler mark that

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But yeah surface is only hermes shops and no charon shops or purging pools

surreal hazel
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It's just another way the two routes differ

mystic mango
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I appreciate that they made the routes mechanically different rather than just different areas and enemies

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Ephyra and Fields are both the “unique” region of each run

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That has very different layout and mechanics to the typical formula

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Thessaly is a dumpster fire but it’s a dumpster fire because it’s tough and I’m glad they were willing to go for it

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Asphodel was the same way tbh

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I will say that underworld doesn’t really have the same “region 2 is gonna kick your ass” like surface and H1 had

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Oceanus is a bit annoying in some cases but the moment you learn to use your cast properly it becomes pretty easy

flint widget
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wdym underworld doesnt have that

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scylla exists

mystic mango
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I guess yeah she was tough but like I remember absolutely beating my head against a wall at the damn skeleton is asphodel

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And then getting that same anger at being bum rushed by sticklers and accidentally dodging straight into the worms hitting me with 10 shots all at once

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Like yeah Scylla is rough but that’s just the boss, I’d say asphodel was the opposite where the boss was relatively easy and the enemies were hard

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And I’m also talking about normal Scylla not rivals

surreal hazel
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H1 was a lot more crazy on environmental hazards

mystic mango
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Rivals is a whole other discussion she whooped my ass way more than base Scylla did when I first started playing

surreal hazel
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And asphodel was just on fire

mystic mango
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Yeah H2 has barely any traps by comparison

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Getting sniped by those arrows in Tartarus or Elysium or the buzz saws in Styx

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And asphodel just being a giant game of “hope you know how to dodge right”

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I still maintain the opinion that H1 front loads its difficulty way more

stuck plover
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I have little idea how to compare the difficulty of things in H1 vs. H2 because I feel like H2 has been like, similarly difficult to my "return to H1" as an actually-new game except that Rivals feels much more severe than EM

mystic mango
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Oh yeah extreme measures is barely any difference compared to most rivals changes

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EM furies and lernie were barely any harder, EM Theseus/Astereus was a bit more chaotic, but EM Hades was nuts

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The harder bosses got way harder and the easier bosses stayed about the same

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But the rivals fights all added a considerable amount of difficulty to all of them

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I’d say the closest to base difficulty is probably Cerberus

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And that’s still a decent step up

split igloo
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I'd say Rivals Eris is the easiest Rivals boss, but that's just me

mystic mango
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But I’d say it’s a significant step up from base Eris

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Even if she’s often considered the easiest

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I’d still say rivals cerb is easier since he’s a big punching bag that doesn’t clear your curses and fly away ever .5 seconds

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Rivals eris isn’t hard but she’s annoying as hell and I end up choking

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Since the damage needed to get her to not fly away is way higher

split igloo
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Rivals Cerb has that phase 1 where you're basically dodging all his usual moves while in a broom closet, plus he gets 22 (!) wards once you get to phase 2

flint widget
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phase 1 is super ez imo

mystic mango
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When nobody else has my back, I know scorch and static shock is there for me

flint widget
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its phase 2 thats the clusterfck

mystic mango
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Rivals cerb is pretty chaotic once you get his counter and stuff yeah

flint widget
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fireball into flamethrower is a lethal combo if u dont have gales or movement speed

split igloo
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the only dangerous things with Rivals Eris are her bombs, you can destroy them with ranged attacks or just dodge them, the Aspect of Lucifier she uses is actually easier than her regular weapon, its lasers are super telegraphed, whereas the Aspect of Eris shotgun/sniper shots can deal massive damage if you're not careful

mystic mango
mystic mango
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Or that she has a high chance to drop Olympus enemies if you’re on menace

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Dealing with that rapid fire automaton while dodging lasers is way more annoying than anything cerb throws at me

stuck plover
split igloo
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I remember watching a Chronos video, and the guy said "just let the minions be, they will die to AoE's anyway" and I feel like there's some merit in that, I don't chase after adds too much

mystic mango
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Wait until you’re having to dodge Hippo seeking projectiles

stuck plover
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Horrifying thought, just imagined if Chronos upgraded to summoning midbosses from his own biome with Menace

mystic mango
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Since they always run to the very edge of the screen in the places Eris doesn’t go to

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Hey so guess what

stuck plover
split igloo
mystic mango
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Flying enemies don’t take fire damage

split igloo
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huh, the game even accounts for that, kinda cool

flint widget
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oh yeah fun fact

mystic mango
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So they will just go sit in the fire and never die

flint widget
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if u take too much time in p1 cerb

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hell spawn hippos once u phase him

mystic mango
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I hope that’s a joke

flint widget
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im being serious

mystic mango
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That sounds horrible

split igloo
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why would Cerb spawn Oceanus enemies? I feel like that's at odds with his theme of fire and brimstone

flint widget
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oh wait

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i meant those enemies that suck you in fields

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those ones i thought those were hippos

mystic mango
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Oh yeah those guys suck

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Literally

split igloo
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Hippos are those fat Oceanus enemies that explode on death

flint widget
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ba dum tss

stuck plover
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Do Hippos get way nastier at higher Fear for some reason?

Like, they're annoying but the delayed explosion isn't that bad in my experience

mystic mango
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Yeah elite hippos shoot the triple seeking projectiles they’re so annoying

wild drift
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Bloatshades are the suckers in Fields

mystic mango
flint widget
stuck plover
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At least they don't spawn miniature versions of (surface) Charybdis with the bulletswarms

split igloo
flint widget
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when u have to deal with one million projectiles in erebus

mystic mango
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I’m gonna just believe that all the big fat shades used to be greedy businessmen in life

flint widget
stuck plover
wild drift
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I would say Furies + Swift Runner + Lovers is better than Sorceress + Huntress + Eternity in most cases, but I'm guessing you're using an omega-heavy aspect

night lagoon
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That's an alright setup for playing with rerolls, yeah. Personally would take Lovers over Eternity, though

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If you're using an Omega-heavy Aspect, you'd usually want Night over Huntress

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And then, of course, things get real funny when you make a Fate's Whim setup

stuck plover
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I may be underestimating Swift Runner?

Are there reasons to choose a non-reroll setup? (I find I tend to end up not using most of my rerolls but I frequently use a few within a run... I also use them less frequently on Locations than Boons, and mostly for an extra Nectar + Pomslice.)

What's relative advisability of switching out my rerolls entirely for other utils? It'd slow down my Nectar (and maybe Bone) game but technically if I'm just... willing to be patient I'll get as much as I need eventually if I focus on gameplay?

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Being more dependent on luck for boon RNG hurts a bit but...

wild drift
stuck plover
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I've probably already acquired... 70-80%, maybe more? of all the nectar I'll naturally need? I think I've fully Nectared the Unseen, mostly through the location NPCs, and most of the way through the Olympians though there's a... whole lot of Ambrosia that'll need to go around still.

Haven't unlocked the postgame character relationships yet.

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I need like... 5 beast-treats which is like another 1-2 Nectar depending on if I cover some of it with those reward chests from high Fear underworld runs

stuck plover
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Having a maxed first three rows (minus Unseen) + Boatman IS pretty strong...

wild drift
stuck plover
wild drift
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Definitely not worth removing rerolls without the postgame keepsakes

stuck plover
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(and that goes to everyone who's given advice)

subtle bobcat
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i would love a tier list of like best god keepsake starts for each aspect lol. why has no one made one yet lol

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i've learned ( i really like Axe, mainly Melinoe) that Ares is really good on attack. Same w Aph and Hera. Do not put scorch on axe lol

split igloo
subtle bobcat
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yeah i know. i do enjoy just having the curse as is but

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if you can get griveous blow and stuff going

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trying to make myself feel better cause i got ares in this descura 24 fear surface run

split igloo
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I think Ares makes more sense on the axe special, because you're not spamming it as much as attacks

subtle bobcat
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on my strike. gotta make due until i can find zeus maybe

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idk i do have wixked thrasher tho im doing nice omega attack dmg

subtle bobcat
split igloo
subtle bobcat
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yeah its so fast. that was really the first one i tried

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but i found success on higher fear runs with descura and melinoe axe

split igloo
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Thanatos + rapid hack + giga cleaver = easy win

flint widget
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thanatoes + psychic + furious = easy win

subtle bobcat
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PSYCHIC WHIRLWIND ROCK LEE VOICE proceeds to shred thru the Fields of Mourning

wild drift
# subtle bobcat i would love a tier list of like best god keepsake starts for each aspect lol. w...

Based on personal opinion/observations (because some aspects I've barely used at all and mostly not using god keepsakes):

Mel Staff - Zeus > Hera > Aphrodite
Circe - Zeus >> Hestia
Momus - Hera > Zeus
Anubis - Hestia > Zeus > Poseidon
Mel Blades - Hera > Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon
Artemis - Hera > Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon
Pan - Hera > Zeus > Poseidon > Hestia
The Morrigan - Hera > Apollo >> Hestia
Mel Axe - Hera > Apollo
Charon - Apollo >> Poseidon
Thanatos - Hera > Apollo
Nergal - Hera > Apollo
Mel Flames - Hera > Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon
Eos - Hera > Zeus > Hestia
Moros - Hera > Zeus
Supay - Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon
Mel Skull - Hera > Apollo
Medea - Zeus >> Hera > Ares
Persephone - Hephaestus > Hera
Hel - Poseidon > Hestia > Hera
Mel Coat - Hera > Zeus > Hestia > Poseidon
Nyx - Zeus > Hera > Hestia > Poseidon
Selene - Hera > Zeus > Hestia > Ares
Shiva - Hera > Apollo > Zeus

odd bolt
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great guide for all weapons with multiple choices for each weapon, really well written and explained

subtle bobcat
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oh i didnt see, is it the leemsynder or whatever his name is one? its really food

split igloo
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worth noting that god keepsakes become pointless after beating the story, so don't rely on them too much

spiral wadi
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i like apollo on momus, fatter oatk

flint widget
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i like hera on momus

spiral wadi
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ye hera's like best

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apollo's prob 2nd

flint widget
spiral wadi
subtle bobcat
split igloo
subtle bobcat
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need a visual

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i'll make one someday

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for now everythings getting google doc'd

split igloo
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for examples, daggers hit very very quickly but the damage is ass, so you pretty much have to take Poseidon or Hestia

subtle bobcat
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some i remember easier than others

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and i legit never use black coat

split igloo
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black coat is not bad at all, just don't use the omega attack, just pretend it doesn't exist

subtle bobcat
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AHHHHHHHHH NPOOOOOOOOOO

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DAMN U HERACLEEEEEEES!!!

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it's ok Ares really was holding me back fr

jovial schooner
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Well, I think I found my favourite Aspect. Circe Staff.

Did 2 successful runs with Zeus cast, Thought I'd switch it up for Heph cast for a laugh. Ended up going full Fire bro with Heph, Apollo and Hestia( also demeter showed up to add gusts to the cast)

Zeus was obviously the better one but after a couple of poms the Heph cast overlapping for like, 120x2x3 blasts was still really good and funny.

One thing I wanted to test but didn't get to. What happens with Heph special on staff with Shimmering Moonshot? (Special bounces)

delicate sorrel
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Is it me or you get fewer boons from your starting keepsake lately

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Whereas if I go with an Olympian keepsake in the 2nd region, I get like 7 boons from them

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I just had a game where I only had storm ring and double strike from my starting Zeus. But probably because I went to a Selene room by mistake, had 4x infusion boon (Hera legendary?), Artemis, and Hermes like three times

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The game probably tries to limit your boons

opal pecan
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?

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Lately? WDYM by that

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I'm not aware of any boon-limiting

jovial schooner
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RNG based on the fact that the game prioritizes giving you 4 Gods over repeating ones you already have(i think)

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Like, my last run i talked about above, I started Heph, got one room in Ephyra then literally didn't see him till Olympus. Picking up Apollo in Ephyra and Hestia & Demeter in Thessaly

night lagoon
jovial schooner
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Step 1: Pick Axe
Step 2: Aphro or Apollo on attack
Step 3: there is no step 3

spiral wadi
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hera solid too

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basically any dmg % on atk is nutty

manic shuttle
spiral wadi
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blitz is just solid on basically anything lolol

manic shuttle
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Ye

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It works both on attack or special

jovial schooner
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But yeah no, he's good on Persephone and can do some funny things with like. Circe and Mel Staff. But otherwise, you pick him later (if at all) for his armor boons and maybe one of his duos.

tough torrent
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20 armor every room is pretty good

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Thats 1-2 free hits a room

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75 armor for 10 seconds is 10 seconds of ape mode gameplay

delicate sorrel
opal pecan
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Yeah that's just RNG

delicate sorrel
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Made me appreciate Heph, even

stuck plover
# spiral wadi blitz is just solid on basically anything lolol

And so is Static Shock!

Though especially so if you're getting lots of hits in.

Blitz is especially best if you get it with high level/rarity and get Double Strike, though, and if the initiating hit is comparatively weak (less "wasted" damage) and/ or doable en masse (the damage timer goes off).

A simple 80 damage common Blitz attack is probably the worst attack boon in the game ngl but it scales super hard with Double Strike and levels/rarity, even +1 level does so much, and the other stuff Zeus gives just by being in your pool is phenomenal

jovial schooner
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Cast is also really good for just pure damage, paired with Double Strike it's even better. and If you're not using a build that requires you to have the cast at your feet, Lightning Lance (Or Glowing coal, or tipsy shot) is great for slapping down a ring of death anywhere you want.

split igloo
night lagoon
split igloo
night lagoon
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Sure, but the rewards are worth the effort

split igloo
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perhaps

flint widget
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dont disrespect my goat nergal

vernal quiver
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take frinos, get psychic whirlwind, profit

flint widget
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truthing

wild sun
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Any suggestions for Aspect of Hel? Been a while since I used the skull

rare grove
rare grove
wild drift
rare grove
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tbh same

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She’s great for air quality builds and plentiful forage has saved my ass more than I’m proud of

wild drift
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I've only ever taken it to try to force gusts in Air Quality

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Actually I must have taken it once before too but I can't remember for what, maybe Freezer Burn or something

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But let the record show that I like Demeter as a secondary (as should everyone)

mystic mango
wild sun
wild drift
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Yes there are not many mutually exclusive (non-core) boons in this game, the only ones I can think of right now are the ranged/moving casts (Lightning Lance, Glowing Coal, Howling Soul, Tipsy Shot, Hostile Environment)

rare grove
mystic mango
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Not in the way stuff like howling soul makes it impossible to get lightning lance or glowing coal

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Or dio’s cast

spiral wadi
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more likely to hit reckless abandon

broken lichen
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does anyone know if Aetheric Moonburst (staff special Power Shot that restores Magick) restores Magick multiple times with aspect of Momus?

spiral wadi
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good question, would be cool to experiment ig

magic moss
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dont think so

spark crown
stuck plover
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So like. Swift Runner vs. Messenger to sync with Furies?

Is Swift Runner better than I think it is? I don't think I've used it and I don't feel like I tend have trouble navigating

manic shuttle
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Swift Runner is better in general ye

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Faster move speed is very important in this game

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Especially to outrun some boss attacks

stuck plover
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Nothing quite like realizing I took Ares special on Medea by being presented with Zeus attack when I wanted the other way around lol

umbral horizon
icy crypt
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what are some good build options for the mel torches
not leveled btw so i cant crit

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also not at the surface yet

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i keep dying at cronos for some reason

vernal quiver
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Theyre really flexible! Best case is gonna be hera special zeus attack but just about anything works

lyric summit
vernal quiver
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The special hits a ton so stuff like hestia/posiedon work great and the attack has good enough base damage where % scaling is still super useful

icy crypt
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i was doing hestia atk zeus spesh and cardio gain

vernal quiver
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Fine line too yeah turns it into a railgun

lyric summit
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Pre patch Mel Torches used to be more monstrous. Massacred my boi 😭

icy crypt
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is scorch not good on the attack
its got pretty fast attack speed

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so i figured i would take flat dmg

lyric summit
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Scorch can be okay and esp if you have faster attack speed. But it can’t crit so doesn’t synergise the best with Mel torches

icy crypt
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or does it just apply blitz

lyric summit
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Blitz

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But the more DPS you have, the faster you can apply and pop blitz

flint widget
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lowk you can just turn it into moros with hera attack zeus special

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omega special and then omega attack ez damage

lyric summit
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Dollar store Moros can be okay yeah

manic shuttle
wild drift
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I like special spam with Hidden Helix + Zeus special + Air Quality but requires a lot of setup lol

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Or Poseidon special and King Tide and/or Arterial Spray

stuck plover
manic shuttle
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Because the base damage of the attack is pretty low

umbral horizon
manic shuttle
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No % boost will suffice compared to flat damage ones

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Zeus actually works the best on attack because your special can hit and trigger it easily

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Or static shock can trigger it too

manic shuttle
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In summary Zeus is best lmao

round pier
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Guys can someone show what boons should I search for aspect of Shiva?

alpine raft
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apollo attack/special

round pier
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Okay then next run will be with Apollo

final sedge
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Does Hephaestus “uncanny fortitude” update with the run or is it a one time snapshot?

spiral wadi
final sedge
mystic mango
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It increases with all gains through the whole run so there’s no downside to taking it early

final sedge
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Stonks

split igloo
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like a 30 magic bottle giving 36 etc

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Heph's boon is really nice when Medea gives that +5 magic every room boon, that's +1 max hp every room tramsition

opal pecan
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Thought for a hot sec you meant the actual graphic of the tonics got visually bigger lmao

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That would be funny

split igloo
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yeah that'd be neat if the devs stealth patched this just for kicks

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the small tonics are visually smaller anyway, like in the mourning fields

opal pecan
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Just Berenstain effect the playerbase for kicks and giggles

final sedge
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Okay I’m pissed.

||How do you defeat rivals typhon? Turns me into a little girl and then tongue swipes me twice. Can I even rush though them with I frames? This is the second time he’s instantly killed me when I turned into a little girl. Screw you typhon!!!||

mystic mango
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It’s a skill check entirely designed to test your dodging

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Also you should spoiler mark that

final sedge
mystic mango
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Oh it does?

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I thought that was just victory boarding 🤷‍♂️

final sedge
#

Everyone is so sensitive

mystic mango
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Okay… bit of an insult out of left field. I didn’t know this channel was spoiler legal that’s all

final sedge
mystic mango
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Thats not what I said but whatever

wild drift
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Is Epic Hereditary Bane the right take over CHeirloom? I'm kinda doubting it now

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Since CHeirloom would also boost Knuckle Bones and Lion Fang

vernal quiver
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Id take hereditary yeah

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Although 50cr antler is always tempting

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But hereditary makes rooms free as hell assuming you have half decent application

final sedge
#

Cheirloom gives a fourth rank to your keepsakes?

spiral wadi
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ye

final sedge
broken spoke
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No

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Antler is right there

spiral wadi
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discordant is such a funny concept cuz it's like "ok bring this at the start and u'll do marginally more damage while sacrificing survivability", meanwhile antler is there like "ok u have 30hp but u incinerate anything and everything for one region"

stuck plover
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The spelling of "Cheirloom" makes me think of "Hekatoncheirloom" lmao

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(Hekatoncheires could have been fun monsters to face)

hallow valley
tall notch
surreal hazel
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The bell is balanced as if it's still in Hades 1

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where global +% bonuses were much rarer

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but H2 has you able to get +150% damage just from your arcana (Huntress, Strength, Origination and Furies, yes I know huntress isn't global) so a little bit on top of that isn't worth the VERY valuable keepsake slot

wild drift
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How am in 265 hours into this game and only just realizing that I don't have to time dash-strikes with auto-sprint

dull falcon
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is ares attack (wound) good on sister blades?

wild drift
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Good if you're only hitting the attack once in a while for Trick Knives

dull falcon
wild drift
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Poseidon attack if you're spamming the attack combo

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Maybe Hestia or Zeus too

split igloo
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if you can, also grab Apollo's blinding rush or cast so that you can get Back Burner later for a big boost in backstab damage

flint widget
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i like heph or zeus on the attack

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tho any attack that can inflict a curse is fine too

wild drift
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Yeah Hephaestus and Zeus are best on attack for Trick Knives for sure

thin cloud
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On aspect of pan I want to use poseidon special, ares cast, hestia attack, but idk what my last god should be, what would pair well

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Maybe hera for incandescent aura with hestia magic gain?

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or with ares?

split igloo
wild drift
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I would swap Ares and Hestia unless you plan to use the attack a lot

surreal hazel
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Wave flourish has ICD issues with the blades

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you won't get a splash for each knife

thin cloud
thin cloud
surreal hazel
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it's intended

flint widget
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and for a good reason

rare grove
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I had a blowout win with pan knives yesterday using o special to spread hitch everywhere and hestia attack, didn’t have trick knives and it was fine

proper cloak
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It's a really cool weapon that you can't use well at all

rare grove
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you wanna have a good time with pan, Dionysus grape juice. Each o special knife has the power boost

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Is it reliable? No

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But it’ll win you runs

surreal hazel
rare grove
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Anubis grape juice dream

surreal hazel
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Also stupid good

flint widget
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also applies to morrigan omega specials

surreal hazel
#

Honestly morrigan attack isn't bad

delicate sorrel
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For those who did great chaos below

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How many times did you reroll before attempting a run

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I’m doing once maybe 10 starts

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Died once to Hecate (dumb chaos boon) and twice to Chronos phase II

flint widget
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idk i got the same start no matter what i did

delicate sorrel
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You can reroll it with the fear thingy

flint widget
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the oath?

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oh i thought it just made up a new start every time i undo'd night

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so i lowk just played the hand i was dealt

opal pecan
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I don't remember what criteria I used during GCB, but for GCA I know that I was saying to myself, "give me Strength, Origination, and no Rivals, and as long as the weapon isn't TOO out of my comfort zone (say, Supay or Charon) I'll give it a genuine try"

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*if it gave me anything that invalidated Strength, I didn't count it 😂

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You'd be surprised (or maybe unsurprised? :P) at how many times I had to immediately reroll based on those criteria

delicate sorrel
mystic mango
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Like depending on your vows 16-20 fear should be pretty free

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Vow of time is pretty free if you have a decent pace and if you’re used to frenzy it actually speeds up the game making vow of time even more free

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Stuff like pain, hordes, or grit makes the game substantially harder without much fear bonus as compensation

opal pecan
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In the normal world of people who are not nerding about this game all the time, it aint free

mystic mango
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I know I’m just saying how it would have been way easier for me early on if I didn’t think Hordes III Grit III was the way to go

opal pecan
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Facts

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But like, this is GCB, you don't get to pick

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IIRC my GCA clear actually did have like Hordes II Grit II or something like that, but I looked at the fact that it was Medea Strength + Origination + jpom and reckoned I might as well take it lmao

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That's a high roll

mystic mango
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Ah okay I didn’t realize this discussion was on GCB

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But yeah depending on your luck things like time, frenzy, and fangs take a lot off of other rolls

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I just really don’t want to roll forfeit

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Rolling void 3 on GCB/A without judgement is painful

flint widget
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is it even possible to get void on gc

opal pecan
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I don't think it is

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I have vague memory of being told that at least one other thing was blacklisted.... is max Rivals permitted, or can it only go up to 3?

mystic mango
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I know somebody said they rolled rivals 4

opal pecan
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Okay, I'm probably just mixing it up with Rivals being blacklisted from BNB then

mystic mango
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But I didn’t know you couldn’t get void

opal pecan
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The supergiants sitting around the meeting table like "....we prolly shouldn't be that mean to the players huh"

mystic mango
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Okay but imagine

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IMAGINE

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What if there was a version of Great Chaos that also randomized vows every region

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That would be actual torture

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Imagine you’re getting easy stuff every area then it hits you with Pain 3 Scars 3 Grit 3 Frenzy 2 on final region

opal pecan
#

Average GCB attempter getting hit with the White Antler

mystic mango
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lol fr

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Okay but Circe keepsake region 4 is funny

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Unless that one’s banned from being possible on region 4

alpine raft
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if bnb can hit void i doubt pig would be blacklisted

mystic mango
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Hitting BNB on Pain III was huge for me

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But I also had several attempts where it hit time or hubris

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I still suck at dodging rivals typhon

turbid karma
#

Is it possible to just not get chlonos? I just had a chronos P3 50% health dash attack phase where the clone was nowhere to be found, just the original chronos

surreal hazel
vernal quiver
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uhhhh dissent can do that methinks

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sometimes he'll try to spawn in stuff and it won t

turbid karma
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Hm, didn't have dissent, I had life tax and gigaros

surreal hazel
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Then uhhhhh. Dunno

turbid karma
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hm -- maybe he just never pathfound to me before it expired?

spiral wadi
delicate sorrel
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To be fair I’m not really comfortable with ||Scylla & Charybdis|| together lmao. And didn’t really work on vow of frenzy

gritty widget
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melcry @mystic mango do you have some fear set up recommendations for 24 fear surface and 32 fear underworld?

wild drift
#

Are you used to Frenzy 2 or not

gritty widget
wild drift
#

What about the Rivals bosses

gritty widget
wild drift
#

Ok what about Time

gritty widget
wild drift
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And Rivals 2 on surface

gritty widget
gritty widget
surreal hazel
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(You need to meet a particular miniboss in zone 2 of the surface at least once)

gritty widget
surreal hazel
#

quite

mystic mango
#

And not using time 3

wild drift
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If they plan for that to be their final achievement then I think it's fine, otherwise yeah I said doing it normally with Frenzy and Time would be easier

mystic mango
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I mean rivals 2 on surface is pretty free tbh

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Eris is a bit annoying at first, especially with frenzy 2, but it’s not a hard fight once you know to pay attention to her and strafe

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Also I’d recommend shadow before wards or grit

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And return

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Return is just unnecessary frustration when shadow barely even makes the few fights it’s in harder

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Most runs you’ll only get like two or three wardens

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Return 2 sucks

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Turn off return and use shadow

wild drift
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In my opinion picking up Revenants is not worse than quadruple Boars, double Satyr Champion, Charybdis Anchors, double Yargonaut, double Mega-Dracon, and Tail Land-Dracons

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Though when I did 24f surface myself I did have Shadow over Return

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And I do recommend Rivals 2 on surface specifically yes

mystic mango
#

I mean I’m gonna be totally honest that one actually loses you time and makes it more unlikely you’ll be able to run Time 3

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Return wastes a ton of time every encounter if you’re unlucky

wild drift
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Yeah true but they didn't want to run Time 3 anyway

mystic mango
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Then they can just be more careful on warden fights with shadow

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Since they don’t care about time

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They can just run away more

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It’s just like I actively just find return too annoying to willingly turn on

wild drift
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Also Return does feel like more "artificial difficulty" than Shadow though both feel kind of artificial

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Especially when it's just "double boss"

mystic mango
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Shadow you can at least ignore the shadow servant

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Shadow is pretty free when you’re already killing the bosses in like 10-15 seconds

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But that’s us not them

wild drift
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Also while in general the Surface shadows are worse my least favorite is the Phantom's Mourner

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God I hate that thing

mystic mango
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This was what I was running for trying 32 speed the first time

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I’m still anxious to take scars 3 cause I still get hit sometimes

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The only thing there that really causes any time loss is fangs

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Everything else just makes you a bit weaker

wild drift
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I assume no Menace because Hippos and Lurkers make Erebus even more of a slog?

mystic mango
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Yeah menace makes early very slow because of higher health enemies

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Unless you get a really strong build early on you’re just bound to lose time

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Taking fangs is a bit more of a dice roll

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But menace you’re almost guaranteed to lose time to enemy health unless you get a really strong build or good spawn luck

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Could try replacing fangs with menace 2 and rivals 1 or scars 3 and see how it goes but 🤷‍♂️

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I feel at least underworld I could maybe handle scars 3 at this point but surface definitely not

alpine raft
wild drift
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I meant in the context of 32 speed like Kol was saying

mystic mango
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Yeah I have no issue with normal Erebus but menace Erebus can get a little goofy without too much build luck

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It’s not hard, just annoying to get hippos and shellbacks in every room

naive talon
#

Question: does incandescent aura only work when you actually restore magick? If you have a boon (like heph) that restores mana, if you are at max, does incandescent aura count it as restoration?

mystic mango
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Otherwise the top tier builds in the game would just be restoring magick as fast as possible while putting hitch on everybody and never spending any magick

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It’s quite strong on stuff like fine line torches or coat if you spam stuff that spends magick

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But doesn’t have much use on low magick use aspects

wild drift
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I find it so goofy that it isn't a prereq to actually have a gain boon for it

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But I guess Unseen, Chaos gain, and gain dress exist lol

mystic mango
amber cliff
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uh... I somehow regenerated up to 41 while having Blood spree from Ares. Am I missing something?

wild drift
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I guess it was higher than common rarity so it restores more than 1 HP per hit and you were at 38 or 39 HP

amber cliff
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ah makes sense, I thought it was like caped at 40, but when I read it again now it says the effect only applies as long as your life is under 40.

#

do you lose the levels from Jeweled pom if you unequip it?

wild drift
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Nope, only if you equip an olympian-summoning keepsake afterwards (but you don't lose the levels you already got, only levels on future boons)

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So god keepsakes including Athena and not including Hermes, Artemis, and Dionysus will lose you the levels afterwards

amber cliff
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ah ok. And I'm guessing you don't gain levels without it equiped though

wild drift
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You also continue to gain levels on future boons even if you unequip it

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Same with Time Piece and Calling Card, you keep their effects for the rest of the night after switching keepsakes unless you break Fates' Whim

amber cliff
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ah so you just keep it for one region

wild drift
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Yup usually first region

amber cliff
#

so does that apply to all keepsakes then?

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like their effect?

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like not the keepsakes that lets you rarify a boon, but the other ones that give you varius effects

surreal hazel
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Some

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Like hecate's and more obvious ones like the coin purse

amber cliff
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mmh okay. Yeah its not always clear.

mystic mango
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Stuff like fig leaf lasts for 3 regions even if you unequip it because its condition specifically says 3 regions

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It might would be nice to have some added language to clarify it a bit more

gritty widget
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Also fig leaf is starting to feel a lot worse than initially
Time to use my brain for second region keepsake again lol

mystic mango
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There’s not really much reason to use fig leaf if you’re not going for speed. Like yeah you get to skip an encounter each region but that doesn’t do much good if it makes you weaker for the parts you’re having trouble with

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Fig leaf region 2 is only really gonna save you like 30 seconds to a minute and a half depending on how fast you play encounters and what encounters it skips

gritty widget
mystic mango
#

You’re better off guaranteeing a god you want if you’re running god keepsakes or taking something like time piece so a vow like debt becomes free

gritty widget
mystic mango
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Time piece is top tier FYI

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Stupid amounts of gold, especially since many weapons barely even need magick you can just treat tonics as free 300 gold

gritty widget
mystic mango
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Yeah chaos is great to take with time piece cause you save time and get 550 gold

gritty widget
surreal hazel
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Order cheap tonics from hermes and gold them

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Convert hexes to 500

cosmic steppe
#

I was wondering how does air quality interact with master conductor

mystic mango
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Air quality takes any damage AFTER buffs and says “is the number that is about to show up less than 50? Yes? Okay make it 50”

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If that number ever goes above 50 then AQ does nothing

cosmic steppe
#

If after all of the buffs first hit of chain lightning is still <50 and is brought up to that by AQ does MC buff it starting with 50 or starting from the value that got boosted to 50

mystic mango
#

If it ever goes above 50 during master conductor then it stops being affected by air quality

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Only the hits that do less than 50 will be buffed by air quality

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And that comes after strength, origination, shameless attitude, or any other additive damage buff effects

cosmic steppe
#

So like the second bounce boosts base damage by 15% which is then checked for AQ and not a 50 of the first hit?

mystic mango
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No so it’s based off what it would have done without air quality

cosmic steppe
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Shame, big shame

mystic mango
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Usually by the time you get master conductor and electric overload and stuff your hits probably aren’t doing under 50 damage

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Unless you got a low rarity with no Poms

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Air quality becomes a lot less worthwhile on a lot of stuff like Poseidon waves or static shock if you’re running jeweled Pom but is still quite strong on stuff like gusts and meat grinder

cosmic steppe
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I find aq to be the ultimate payoff for saving the upgrades on low damage low scaling stuff

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Every time it boosts something that you could've pommed into not being boostable (and instead pommed something initially non boostable) it's like a "win more" situation

mystic mango
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In this clip air quality would have done nothing

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Since my static shocks were doing like 60 something damage already

cosmic steppe
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MC is my second favorite Anubis build

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Losing only to hitch attack incandescent aura o-special spam

mystic mango
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Yeah that’s pretty fun

cosmic steppe
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Theorycrafting a surface anyfear route with Anubis rn

mystic mango
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With cardio gain or lucid gain

cosmic steppe
mystic mango
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It’s an option just you’re not able to land that consistently with timing

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Born gain is something that takes effort to line up and I always end up missing it or having it be worthless on anything other than Typhon

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But yeah fine line controlled burn is very strong on Anubis

cosmic steppe
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I wanna start running jpom mid-high fear but I still don't have a calling card, set out to get it yesterday, saw zag 3 times in 1,5 hrs, one time he was beatable with my build/skill issue

cosmic steppe
mystic mango
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Or do that with ionic gain if you want to go for the true funny

wild drift
mystic mango
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Just max out on sea star

wild drift
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Calling Card is fun though

mystic mango
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Max out sea star, take every tonic and Hecuba, get like 500 magick then nuke Typhon with ionic gain

wild drift
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And its best use is if you have attack or special slot free after first region and have Hephaestus in your god pool

mystic mango
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Or rush

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Smithy rush stan here

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I genuinely like smithy rush

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EXCEPT WHEN IT RANDOMLY CHOOSES TO NOT HIT THE GUY IM CLEARLY DASHING AT

cosmic steppe
mystic mango
wild drift
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Rarity is not that important when you already have Level 4 on boons (except for Hephaestus blasts)

cosmic steppe
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Although, my fates whim page has excellence

mystic mango
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Jpom furnace blast my beloved 🧡 🔨

cosmic steppe
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The only time I ever centered my run around heph blasts is when I'm running mompom+momskull

mystic mango
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Yeah rarity is huge on heph since every one is equal to two Poms

cosmic steppe
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It's lvl9 epic attack in c1 or I'm not bothered

mystic mango
cosmic steppe
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You don't have to show me, both my first 32f clears are done with exactly that

mystic mango
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Was just really fun since steady growth hit twice on my attack and once on my special before I even got to Eris

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Cooldowns were so short already

cosmic steppe
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Steady growth believes stay winning

mystic mango
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Natural selection is also great for heph builds

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Cryo pounder + seismic servo + natural selection is a pretty great trio

cosmic steppe
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I took it over snow queen in Tartarus on a Speedrun attempt once, and its only hit was on succ rate when I had cherished antler

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Steady growth that is*

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Not a PB but a decent fix for big number addiction

mystic mango
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My big number addiction was heartthrob maxxing

cosmic steppe
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On ea patch one my single favorite build was Artemis with sweeping+sunny dispo+weed killer

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I was baffled when I saw the actual difference in getting that going vs getting Pan going

mystic mango
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I like running that just so I have more enemies and harder punching bags to hit

cosmic steppe
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If there is a notion of these being unfun fears, I don't understand it

mystic mango
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I willingly chose hordes 3 for my first 50 fear runs to be funny but I absolutely didn’t want to do it with return

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At low fear when everything is easy peasy yeah it’s fun

cosmic steppe
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When I'm pressed into the ceiling of my capabilities I still choose these over pain scars fangs revenants or anything that affects boons

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Void is its own beast and I hate the "next region enemies" on surface bc automatons on boats are scawy

tall notch
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The thing about grit is that +30% boss health is quite a lot, you're making the fights a fair bit harder since they'll take longer and bosses can throw more stuff at you

split igloo
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yeah I got +20% grit in Great Chaos Below and it felt like I did trash damage even though the build was decent and I was applying origination

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still won though thankfully

wild drift
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Common Nitro Boost vs Epic Hasty Retreat? I took the Nitro Boost

stuck plover
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It can be the difference between winning with 1 DD + a bit more left vs. not at all

mystic mango
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I mean I disagree with that on one thing

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Just dodge

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Like yeah the fight takes longer but if you’re already not getting hit then a bit more time of not getting hit doesn’t do much. But yes it does make it more likely you’ll be put into a rough situation since they will take longer to put down and will have more chances to pull out random BS

icy crypt
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how close do you have to be to proc aphro's dmg boost

mystic mango
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So a bit further than many weapons main attacks reach

stuck plover
split igloo
split igloo
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do you keep your armor when you take white antler?

fallen iris
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Does anyone know if/how Exceptional Talent works with Axe Ospecial?

wild drift
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Yeah it's why you see the best players take Arachne or even Hephaestus keepsake in Fields, to stack armor

split igloo
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then I guess I could go jpom -> chrolex -> sash -> antler, maybe fish for Heph to stack more armor

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is this the most optimal?

wild drift
wild drift
split igloo
manic shuttle
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It doesn't work with the Anubis Oattack either, you just spend more Magick melcry

split igloo
fallen iris
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I meant Oattack idk why I said Ospecial

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Ik it works with special

split igloo
manic shuttle
fallen iris
split igloo
manic shuttle
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Ye

split igloo
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did Hades 2 sell below their expectations or something?

flint widget
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no

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hades 1 did get bug fixes but very rarely iirc so same thing might happen with hades 2

split igloo
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the aspect of Pan is overnerfed so badly I hope they fix it sometime soon

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otherwise there's literally no reason to take it over any other blades

mystic mango
split igloo
mystic mango
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They just haven’t released any updates in a bit because the game doesn’t really need it at the moment 🤷‍♂️

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I’m doubtless they’re collecting F10 data to drop a large patch closer to when the game goes out on PS5 and Xbox

split igloo
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the aspect of Pan being ass and the Icarus bond taking forever need urgent fixing IMO

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the Icarus thing is an easy fix, just move some of his dialog to the crossroads, because people end up exhausting his crossroads dialog so he just flies away immediately, while the bond is still locked

mystic mango
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If you think aspect of pan is ass then you probably just aren’t doing trick knives

vernal quiver
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Pan has done 67 iirc i think one mightve not have gotten tk too

mystic mango
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Yeah sure it’s hammer and boon reliant but it’s not really as bad as people think it is

split igloo
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isn't Mel still better, trick knives or not?

mystic mango
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Different uses

vernal quiver
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Why use anything that isnt medea

mystic mango
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I’d say Pan has more going for it than Artemis but Artemis can be pretty fun with Oattack builds

split igloo
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my Great Chaos Below run was Artemis with trick knives + dancing knives and that felt pretty free tbh

mystic mango
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Yeah why play anything that isn’t 100% meta

vernal quiver
split igloo
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had static shock too, was really ez

mystic mango
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The fact Pan potentially did 67 without TK says enough

split igloo
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but you will never charge the ospec, so why use Pan, just for kicks??

mystic mango
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Homing

vernal quiver
mystic mango
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The homing is far more useful than the ospec max knives, but a lot of the time you are really just playing base blades

split igloo
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I have a better question, if they were to fix the Pan ospec, how would you want them to do it? maybe we could send them some suggestions

vernal quiver
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Hel, charon, thanatos, momus, circe can sometimes, persephone, shiva, every knife besides morrigan, selene all play like watered down mel aspects at high fear

mystic mango
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To at least make the ospecial useful in some way

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And let me dash while charging it

split igloo
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what made it so busted in EA? I wasn't around to see it, instant max charge or something?

mystic mango
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If they let me dash while charging it you could play it like Charon which would actually be pretty fun

mystic mango
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Vangetsu’s clip that I saw recently

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The charge rate could be near instant

split igloo
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360 knives? is that some hammer?

mystic mango
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Or it’s just how it was designed before idk

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I wasn’t in EA so that’s all I know was the damage was insane

split igloo
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360 near instant is obviously stupid, esp with homing

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180 with a bit faster charging (than now) could be okay, maybe some top players could send some feedback

spiral wadi
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surely patch 2 will come any second now and pan will be good again FrinosSmooch

surreal hazel
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Absolute chaos with dancing daggers

split igloo
surreal hazel
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Pan?

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Because spiral knives is just gone and got replaced with reaper knives

vast sandal
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Trying to take 62 fear hel. Rooms are taking too long for time vow. Maybe i need Like a gain. Early. Like cardio gain with hestia attack? and gigaros dash. even with just scorn i tend to be too slow. I need to keep valkyrie active as much as possible

split igloo
# surreal hazel Pan?

yeah, the current Pan ospec is basically never worth using due to the insanely long charge time

tall notch
vast sandal
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All im getting is demeter and aphro but i could always be playing better too

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But yeah i do my best

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Or poseidon. Which isnt bad per se

lyric summit
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Hera/Zeus Special and esp Static Shock can make life a lot easier in Erebus

split igloo
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Hera special on Hel is a room cleaner, very strong

vast sandal
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I managed to finalllyy get sworn flourish and barely beat hecate in timeout lmao

queen narwhal
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Ok so I got to chronos, I expected a phase 2 already but…

629 DAMAGE IN ONE ATTACK!?!?

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I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT I GOT HIT BY

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Can someone explain please

tough torrent
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he has a few big wind ups that are oneshots

queen narwhal
flint widget
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you can dodge those instakills by standing on the circle thats pointed out in the arena

tough torrent
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when he makes the field glow red, you have to stand in the circle that isn't red

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and there's another one where he makes a thin ring around himself, and you have to stand in the ring

queen narwhal
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Ah okay, but isn’t a one shot within 5 seconds of the arena change a bit much?

vast sandal
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5 seconds plenty o time

queen narwhal
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-# the game could have mentally prepared me a bit more but fine

odd bolt
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But now you already know it's gonna happen so it becomes less of a problem

split igloo
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it's basically the same attack as Cerb's, everything turns red but a small circle you need to run to

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it's pretty intuitive IMO

odd bolt
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yeah it also teaches you a valuable lesson that you shouldn't be focusing on hitting the boss all the time which is a good mentality for... well... all bosses

flint widget
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unless u have antler

odd bolt
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(unless you know what you're doing and can just phase him)

flint widget
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in which case u can dps race him no prob

split igloo
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but eh, just stay alert, and MOST IMPORTANTLY stay away from those hourglasses when they die, if you get caught in a bubble and he does the insta-kill again you're COOKED

odd bolt
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Also you can just tank the 999 dmg if you have at least 1 armor

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or snow queen, or nitro boost, or iframe it with a good timed dash

split igloo
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and you can also parry it with Artemis

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speedrunners aura farm by just dashing it but that's probably pretty hard to learn, as the wind up is so long, do they just count seconds in their head or something

flint widget
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ive never seen a speedrunner iframe the instakill they just tank it if they cant dps race quick

odd bolt
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if you're not phasing him it's probably not a crazy run

opal pecan
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MFW I still have Lovers charges left in p2: ✨😇✨

flint widget
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i made it to typhon on max fear

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yay

alpine raft
flint widget
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ass cheeks

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i havent fought typhon in a while so im rusty af

alpine raft
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will we see a summit antler or a boring tooth

flint widget
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yes

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tbf to myself speedcord vc told me to pick antler olympus cuz build was not building plus why not

spiral wadi
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this mechanic is truly a mechanic

cosmic steppe
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I was toying with an idea for Morrigan

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What if I got final slice and decided to fish for winners circle so I can use o cast for the triad and focus my attack button on spamming the regular attacks

wild drift
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Slightly related thought I had is that Sweeping Ambush > Final Slice especially for bosses and late game because it's just part of the triad loop whereas if you want to make use of Final Slice with the Triad you have to think about it (but obviously Final Slice is better when magick is an issue)

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But I also haven't used Morrigan in a while lol

vernal quiver
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final slice with apollo or hera will rip through enemies on its own that triad kinda doesnt matter as much

flint widget
spiral wadi
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it's peak

sharp gale
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Final slice spam way overrated tbh, just because its easy to do

wild drift
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The MorriGOAT themself!

sharp gale
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just triad chaining at base > final slice on bosses

wild drift
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And it's funner and looks cooler

rustic parcel
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Hello everyone, I need some help with my build

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I run lim and oros aspect of artemis, the point is basically protecting myself with the shield and bridging the gap between enemies with my omega attack

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But I can't figure out which order I should get all my stuff. I need Hestia first so I can get her magic regen ability but then I don't need anything else so I end up being really weak (especially if I don't get the daedelus hammer buff for my omega attack)

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But then if I try to get demeter early for weed wacker, I'd be stuck without a good way to regen magic. I don't like her idle magic regen ability snce i cant dash in with my omega, dash out, and immediately jump into another group of enemies

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And I also need to figure out when to choose an olympian that can give me attack buffs, I usually go for ares because he has some stuff I like but then I'm putting off one of the other 2 for even later

split igloo
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don't take Ares on blades, his power boost has a 3 second cooldown, which is horrible for fast hitting weapons

rustic parcel
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Ah ok gotcha

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I liked his sustain ability, the blade dash and his good vibe

split igloo
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I recommend wave strike or flame strike for Artemis, if all you want to do is parry and riposte

wild drift
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Ares attack is decent on Pan if you've got Trick Knives since you're mostly gonna be hitting air with your dash-strike and only occasionally going to be hitting, otherwise yeah he's bad on blades

rustic parcel
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Really? Scorch felt weak tbh

flint widget
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aphro or hera attack tbh since on hit stuff cant crit

rustic parcel
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Maybe that's just because I'm impatient

flint widget
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except pos ofc but % attack is way better

split igloo
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and does weed killer even do anything on Artemis? the whole point is you just trigger the riposte which means your next 9 attacks will have a 50% chance to crit

wild drift
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Can't crit from the Artemis Riposte he meant

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Only the strikes themselves can

flint widget
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cardio gain is also kinda eh so born gain or glamour gain lowk can be solid magick regens

split igloo
rustic parcel
flint widget
wild drift
rustic parcel
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Poseidon has some abilities I like, maybe I'll go for him

split igloo
rustic parcel
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He has good vibes too so I don't mind him showing up

flint widget
rustic parcel
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Anyway, which order should I pick Hestia, Demeter and Poseidon?

flint widget
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i dont see why poseidon should be there tbh, its just dem or hestia

rustic parcel
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Damage

split igloo
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well apparently on-hits don't crit with Artemis, so pick sworn strike + glamour gain like Checkmate says

rustic parcel
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Idk I'm not that good

wild drift
flint widget
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if u want dmg go for scorch tbh froth is an eh damage source

mystic mango
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Yeah Riposte only applies to damage dealt by the weapon itself

split igloo
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this is kinda lame because blades have low damage by themselves

mystic mango
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But Artemis you ought to be making oattack builds anyways to take advantage of the channel time and crit chance

mystic mango
flint widget
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i think hes talking about the base moveset

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compared to stuff like staff or skull

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base blades is absolutely dogwater

split igloo
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yeah the regular attacks are very low damage, so they benefit from wave/flame strike a lot, that's what I usually take on mel blades

mystic mango
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I should do an Apollo Artemis blades run

rustic parcel
flint widget
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but on hit effects dont work with the backstab dmg on mel blades

flint widget
rustic parcel
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Sad

mystic mango
rustic parcel
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It's not make or break since weed wacker is plenty strong, but it'd be nice

split igloo
mystic mango
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Back burner is different I think since it applies to all damage and not just the weapon

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I’m pretty sure Mel backstab is only weapon damage

flint widget
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yeah its only attack and special

split igloo
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and there's also a backstab hammer, what was it called again

flint widget
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a what

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i dont recall such hammer

mystic mango
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The Daedalus for 150% backstab damage

rustic parcel
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There is one

split igloo
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a blades hammer that gives you +150% backstab damage

flint widget
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oh right that one

rustic parcel
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It's crazy when I get both, but I prefer the burst of sweeping asdault

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If I had to choose

mystic mango
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Sweeping assault morrigan 🐐

flint widget
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tbh i dont like doing attack builds on mel blades cuz the positioning to get yourself behind the enemy is really inconvenient

rustic parcel
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Anyway so I go Hestia, then Demeter, what do I choose for the 3rd region?

flint widget
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when i play mel blades i lowk just spam specials

rustic parcel
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Oops

rustic parcel
split igloo
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anyway, as for Artemis, fishing for parries can be pretty slow, you have to literally stand and wait to get smacked, I only bothered with this in boss fights, IMO Mel blades are a smoother experience

rustic parcel
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Nah I like the shield, it keeps me alive

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Don't need damage if I'm not getting hit

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🗣️

split igloo
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don't think of it as a shield, it has a long cooldown

rustic parcel
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Idk it's been working out for me

split igloo
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you can only parry once every 12 sec, and once you do your next 9 attacks will have a 50% chance to crit (no timer, just next 9 attacks)

flint widget
rustic parcel
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Anyway so I have the first 2 planned out, I go for oddyseus' keepsake on the 4th to make those bosses quicker, what do I pick on the 3rd? Should I choose another Olympian or something

split igloo
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take the silken sash for armor

rustic parcel
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Bet

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Why do I need armour there anyway

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Like it's not bad in just a little surprised

split igloo
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you build armor in region 3 so that you have it for the final boss

rustic parcel
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Oh wow

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I'm not good enough to go entirely unscathed lol