h2-builds-and-combat

[leaden heron]

I soloed Fatalis 2 times in a row

On Monster Hunter World Iceborne

[prisma gust]

You guys will never guess what #1 is

[leaden heron]

Hades 2?

[prisma gust]

Yeh

[leaden heron]

I suck at Hades 2

I cant get past Heroes on 67

[prisma gust]

Bro probably doesn't even have 62f

[leaden heron]

Maybe my game was lying about that 67

[prisma gust]

It was

You actually don't even have 0 fear

You have negative fear

[leaden heron]

My best Fear was -67 actually

How's that possible idk

[prisma gust]

Hahaha six seven hahahha so funny hahahahaha

Shoot me

[leaden heron]

[prisma gust]

Thank you

[split igloo]

so I've unlocked all hidden aspects, which are actually worth using though? they all seem like big gimmicks

[broken spoke]

Staff and blade hidden is great

[split igloo]

is Hel bad? the moveset seems versatile, but idk how well it scales

[surreal hazel]

Hel is regarded as the weakest hidden aspect, but it's really fun

[split igloo]

oof

[surreal hazel]

it's just a bit fussy on its boon choices

[split igloo]

so basically just max Anubis and save nightmare for other things?

[surreal hazel]

like, you REALLY want wave strike and you really want to just forget that omega attack exists at all

[broken spoke]

Tbf you don't need to try forget oatk

You need to try very hard to even trigger it lol

[surreal hazel]

much as it is very funny to make Helheim Charge builds, yeah... it ain't good

[split igloo]

Morrigan seems meh too, you have to cycle 3 attacks to trigger the thing

[surreal hazel]

Ahaha, well, you see, no

[broken spoke]

777 is a big number

Big number good

[surreal hazel]

don't just focus on the aspect gimmick it tells you about, the basic moves are all different on hidden aspects

if you get final slice on The Morrigan then.... well, just press attack to win

[broken spoke]

And the moveset is good too

Moveset i mean attack

[split igloo]

it's slower than the regular daggers

[surreal hazel]

yeah but it isn't?

[split igloo]

just more range

[surreal hazel]

the basic attack hits 3 times, then 3 times again for a lot of power

[broken spoke]

The attack combo is just 2 string

[surreal hazel]

multi-proc boons like flame and wave strike love it

[broken spoke]

Actually faster than regular blade entire attack string

[surreal hazel]

it feels sluggish at first, and I can't argue, but it's a heavy hitter that blends enemies

[split igloo]

so the triangle thing, it's attack, special and any omega right? is that correct?

[surreal hazel]

That is correct

omega attack is a monster too, the extra slices are very good

[split igloo]

omega cast works too?

[surreal hazel]

omega cast works

[broken spoke]

Yes

[split igloo]

ok what about Shiva then? though I don't play coat much

[surreal hazel]

The least change from its base

[broken spoke]

Not a fan

A big number aspect too

[surreal hazel]

The attack combo gains this incredible third hit

So your combo goes from just looping 40 damage to having this 70x2 third attack

[split igloo]

is it better than the mel coat at least?

[surreal hazel]

Destructive levels are a specic use case

[broken spoke]

Mel coat just easier to use

[split igloo]

yeah I figured

[surreal hazel]

Take nova strike and puuuunnnnch

[split igloo]

coat aspects feel very rushed, was probably the last weapon they added

[surreal hazel]

It was

Never had the fundemental reworks that axe, skull, torch and staff got

[split igloo]

axe and torches are pretty great

I'll probably spend my nightmare on maxing out all their aspects, like charon and eos

eos is somewhat on par with moros, right?

[broken spoke]

Moros has more dmg

Eos is more safe

[surreal hazel]

Eos is considered better at extreme fear levels

But you need to rewire your brain a bit to use it

Release daybreaker, smash hands into special button

[split igloo]

yeah Eos could be the play for higher fear runs, I just finished rivals 3 so getting there

rivals Prometheus was surprisingly easy btw, I thought I'd get destroyed but it's a rather slow paced fight

the second foresight attack is hard though, because you need to dodge the second boss while still trying to memorize the sequence and I messed up and took 60 dmg, good thing I had shadow though, tanked the rest

[flint widget]

wait until u turn on max frenzy

[split igloo]

to be frank? I probably won't, that seems like a spicy vow

[flint widget]

eh when u get used to it youll never turn it off

everything feels like slow motion when u turn it down

[split igloo]

I feel like faster enemies will mess up all your dodging, and might even make some attacks undodgeable? like, Typhon's chin slam is already fast as hell

I can dodge all of his attacks consistently already, except for the slam which still catches me sometimes, maybe I should just i-frame it instead of trying to dodge away, the AoE is kinda big

[broken spoke]

It will mess up your dodging, just relearn all of them and it become more free

Chin slam is hard to iframe without frenzy

[split igloo]

I'll stick to ranged attacks for him then, the chin slam is kinda annoying, almost no-hit him last time but took one chin slam in the last phase

[surreal hazel]

Gotta dodge away from him

Otherwise you get tusked

[broken spoke]

Yea the start up is long can see them miles away

[surreal hazel]

You can also feel out the attack rhythm and predict it

[split igloo]

I feel like the telegraph is too short, maybe it's my aging reflexes, I'm not a spring chicken like you guys

[broken spoke]

Typhoon really predictable

[surreal hazel]

He never repeats moves, and he doesn't interrupt one move with another

[broken spoke]

You go close, mostly chin slam

[surreal hazel]

So when he finishes a move and you're close, he's very likely to pick the chin slam

[split igloo]

the projectiles and tentacles overlap all the time, there's still room to dodge though

[surreal hazel]

That's only phase 4, and yeah, it's chaotic, but the tentacles have a set pattern

[split igloo]

yeah they go from bottom to top, so you just dash through them, it's an easy attack, but it's usually followed by exploding balls

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, the triple clusterbomb is a nightmare

Frinos can block them, but that's a mixed blessing

At least typhon never gets tricky with the sweeper beam

[split igloo]

what's different in the rivals version?

[surreal hazel]

Im phase 4 it always has the backsweep, so that's easy to learn

[surreal hazel]

Spoilery stuff, but there's more going on

[split igloo]

ok ok, don't spoil it then

I'll probably go with Moros just in case lol, nuke everything, ask questions later

[surreal hazel]

I will say that unrivalled chronos is harder than typhon. And more to learn

Definitely more of a step up in difficulty than normal

[split igloo]

I guess rivals Chronos has that phase 3 from the regular ending, maybe something more, it's likely an endurance fight

[surreal hazel]

And various changes to the other phases

[split igloo]

stock up on moon water lol

[surreal hazel]

Learn when it's your turn, don't facetank him

[split igloo]

I watch people fight bosses on YouTube, and they are so aggressive just literally facetank losing chunks of hp every 1-2 sec, it's crazy

[surreal hazel]

Are they speedrunners?

[split igloo]

no, casual players

[surreal hazel]

Ah k

[split igloo]

I play Strength, so no second chances, so I have to dodge everything

[surreal hazel]

I mean, taking risks in the name of learning dodge timing is a valid reason for aggression

[split igloo]

but they would stack 5 revives, the tooth, the cat and the 3x Death arcana

then just play it like Diablo where you hug the boss while spamming one move

[surreal hazel]

But chronos will cut you to pieces if you disrespect his rush combo

[broken spoke]

Tbf if i got 5 dd i going to use 5 dd

But i am strength player so i have no dd

[split igloo]

I don't think DD's ever refresh? so if you waste all 5 on say Prometheus, then you're screwed

[surreal hazel]

Strength is all dandy until it isn't

[surreal hazel]

You can get them back in a few ways

[broken spoke]

You can buy dd

[split igloo]

except for Athena's one, but it's just 1 per room

[broken spoke]

Athena also have refresh all dd option

[surreal hazel]

Athena offers a full refresh of dds as an offering, narc offers one, you can buy them in all three kinds of shops for 200

[split igloo]

does she refresh the cat and the tooth

[surreal hazel]

Echo can refresh them

[surreal hazel]

Oddly yes, with a full DD

[split igloo]

interesting

[surreal hazel]

Basically every DD lost except moros leaves an empty DD slot

And athena's renewed faith removes all empty DDs and replaces them with normal DDs

[broken spoke]

"normal"

[surreal hazel]

Standard 40% plus bonus

With athena DD icons instead of mel icons

[split igloo]

so even the cat and the tooth?

[surreal hazel]

Yep

If they were spent

[split igloo]

but yeah I guess revives make sense if you're playing with the antler, and then you can use chrolex to buy more

[flint widget]

they only work once tho once u lose them theyre gone forever

[tawny arrow]

blitz atk or special on crow cutters?

[flint widget]

morrigan?

[wild drift]

Best on attack is Hera imo, so I'd say Zeus special to hold out for Hera lol

[flint widget]

special

[tawny arrow]

thought so

got it common so hoping to get that sweet phial boost

[surreal hazel]

Apollo attack with final slice is a one button victory

[tawny arrow]

phial goated btw idc what anybody says

[flint widget]

but it is goated tho

[wild drift]

I wish it changed so that it worked on Scars 3 lol

[tough torrent]

Phial has its moments

I like sorch morrigan usually

Hitch is nice too though

[surreal hazel]

scorch morrigan is a solid choice, yeah

[tough torrent]

It already has good aoe with either o attack or final slice

So even though hitch is great still, its not as needed

I usually like it on spec, dash or cast with my morrigan

[surreal hazel]

it can make most things work, honestly

[tough torrent]

It even makes nothing workable

Which is a huge reason I like it so much

Not attack or spec boons and your up to hec? Triad

Persistence + Centaur gives you a decent amount of mana to work with even if you dont have a gain as well

Unless you primed some or got sweeping ambush.
But then you have sweeping ambush

[surreal hazel]

Sweeping ambush is definitely one to consider if it comes up

[severe flax]

Can someone please explain why rivals Scylla is way harder than any other boss for no reason

The ordering is basically rivals Scylla > rivals Prometheus > anything else

[surreal hazel]

because you're stuck between a rock and a hard place

[severe flax]

And that feels kinda weird

[surreal hazel]

it's mostly because prom and heracles are mechanically and numerically harder, but they appear later on in a route that's more boon rich as it is

so there's a very real chance that you're fighting scylla while your build is only half built

[severe flax]

Yeah that makes sense I guess

But of all the things they could have done they added Charybdis and water spouts to make it as annoying as possible

[flint widget]

there already was water spouts in the regular scylla fight iirc

[surreal hazel]

sure about that?

[flint widget]

maybe idk

i haven't played regular scylla in a while

[severe flax]

Don't think so

[split igloo]

okay, what boons do I pick on Eos?

[wild drift]

Hitch or Scorch on special is what I had success with

[split igloo]

% based attack, on hit special? daybreaker hits hard, so % seems to make more sense

hitch would be great if it drops

I guess Apollo could be great too

I'll probably pick Demeter for special for CC

[surreal hazel]

Not aphrodite

apologies for stating the obvious, but aphrodite's idea of "close" only ever measures from the enemy to mel herself and doesn't give a hoot as to where the daybreaker is

as for boons to pick. the special is an aoe swipe of kinda weak power, but blitz, splash and flame doesn't much care about weak power so they're all great

[split igloo]

yeah Aphro only makes sense on melee weapons like the axe

[alpine raft]

hitch special is best tho

[split igloo]

so % attack boons, right?

on the regular torches I just run poseidon + slipper slope

[alpine raft]

honestly everything is good besides aphrodite

zeus hera apollo probably best

[split igloo]

fine I'll see what I can find, it's a jpom run, so anything could happen

[split igloo]

wait, Zeus on attack? does that make sense?

[alpine raft]

zeus is always good really

[split igloo]

daybreaker hits for 150 base, Zeus won't boost it further

but I guess Zeus could be better for regular attacks

Hera is the first boon giver and she has both strike and flourish, which do I pick?

[alpine raft]

special is better

on every torch tbh

[split igloo]

yeah but this weapon's whole gimmick is spamming attack

[alpine raft]

no you omega attack once and spam special

hera special hitches everything super safely

[split igloo]

I mean I guess you could do that, but I like just channeling constantly with the torches

[alpine raft]

hitch attack is still good but special is faster and safer

[split igloo]

huh, these torches don't channel constantly, once the daybreaker is out it's just regular attacks at no MP cost

fine, I'll take the hitch special

[keen bluff]

The day breaker is the o attack

So there's nothing to channel to

[split igloo]

yeah I guess I shouldn't attack unless I need a daybreaker

[alpine raft]

yup spamming special is wayy more effective

[surreal hazel]

always have a daybreaker out, then ospecial if you can, then mash special

repeat once the daybreaker expires

or if it just ends up somewhere miles from any enemies

[split igloo]

what do moon phases on Selene's boons mean? is this similar to rarity?

[surreal hazel]

On the selection menu?

[split igloo]

yeah, is it just extra path of star points?

[surreal hazel]

read the tooltips, basically when you next get a path of stars, the middle option has +1 points, the bottom has +2

it has no bearing on which of the 4 path grids you get

[fiery kraken]

I never knew this

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1478261623754981487/feesh.mp4?ex=69a7c1eb&is=69a6706b&hm=c2ae2e4d543493c26f92795b2399b90f9c684a97fdc63116edeb645c96a983a7& What the hell were these fish doin

[wild drift]

Thank Hades for Unseen Ire cause that's some BS lol

Attack before landing is crazy

[opal pecan]

Okay, it's not just the Frenzy, it's not just me, this definitely isn't normal, right? It sure made me double take when it happened lol

[wild drift]

Yeah I've never seen that

[split igloo]

won the Eos run, 16 fear #h2-victory-boasting message
idk, it's a weird ass weapon, I don't really like it

you have to spawn the dawnbreaker first, then omega special, then regular special, then also regular attack when you need the range

kinda too much stuff to keep in mind

at least I had howling soul + scorch ring + ocean swell for easy long range big damage

[wild drift]

I like Eos more than Moros because after channeling OAttack and OSpec you can kinda just run around safely spamming special, with Moros my brain can't handle dodging while channeling constantly

Obviously the best way to play Moros is to stop channeling to dodge but my brain can't do it lol

[split igloo]

with special spamming you have to close the gap, which gets me in range of their attacks, with Moros I have less mobility, sure, but I'm at a safe distance

[wild drift]

The thing is you don't have to close the gap sometimes if the daybreaker is behaving (big if lol)

[split igloo]

so Rivals Cerberus, how does the arena work exactly?

I tried dodging away during phase 1, but there was a shade wall

but then phase 2 I could run around

[wild drift]

Yeah after you clear the summons in phase 1 the wall disappears

It's kind of a weird fight what with the shade wall and the wards

[split igloo]

phase 1 is brutal, there's so little space

wdym by wards

[wild drift]

After you clear the summons and he respawns he has blue heart barriers

[keen bluff]

(like thw wards vow)

[split igloo]

ah, those things, I didn't even notice lol

[keen bluff]

torch is fine since its pretty rapid attacking

but if ur running say axe it could be a problem

[split igloo]

with axe you could spam the omega special

then backstab him when he's doing rotating and doing those other attacks

[keen bluff]

backstab doesnt do anything to wards

[wild drift]

I believe on-hit stuff like Scorch clears it pretty well

[keen bluff]

yeah, a lot of casts can clear them out quickly

[split igloo]

how often does he get wards

[wild drift]

Just after phase 1

[keen bluff]

just after that phase change pretty sure

[split igloo]

and how many?

[keen bluff]

i have no idea

[split igloo]

if it's like 2-3, you can just cast, hopefully your cast has some DOT

[keen bluff]

probably around 10 or 15 idr

[split igloo]

woah

yeah definitely need DOT

[wild drift]

Apparently 22, I checked a video

[opal pecan]

The noble coat needs no DoT

[split igloo]

I didn't notice at all lol, was too busy running for my life

[vast sandal]

I had a circe run with everything i couldve asked for (storm ring, supernova. Prominence flare, glorious disaster, air quality, lucid gain. Chain lightning with heavenly flourish even) Arrived to rivals prometheus deathless and still lost. Its a skill issue at this point i need to study that fight or smth. Even lowered frenzy oath. Dont know if venting over a run belongs in this channel haha

[split igloo]

I was like huh he's not taking much damage, then boom he's almost dead

[wild drift]

(but the noble coat's best builds use DoT right? asking as someone who just had clears 4, 5, and 6 with the coat today)

[opal pecan]

Sure no prob

[opal pecan]

Poseidon isn't really DoT

[keen bluff]

im pretty sure you dont really ocast with circe

you can get hit or be in a bad position while channeling

[wild drift]

I guess Froth is technically DoT but not really, yeah on-hit effects I guess

[keen bluff]

also what familiar are you using?

[opal pecan]

Yeah, DoT and onhits are two separate categories

[vast sandal]

I learned a few runs ago i can dash while channeling ocast, but winners circle seemed to prevent it. I guess that makes sense

[split igloo]

I thought R Prometheus was pretty easy, it's just the 2nd foresight attack is annoying due to the other guy running after you lol, have to keep your cool
Prometheus and the spoiler guy both have very slow methodical movesets, basically they will move to you then attack, then chill for a long while, like 3 sec or more
so just bait their attack, then dodge and punish

[opal pecan]

This channel is all spoilers allowed, ftr

But yeah, it's safest to just keep half an eye on him and focus on dodging, rather than try to attack him during memory game

[split igloo]

Prometheus locks on to you, won't stop running until he gets in range, then he will attack, then he will literally stand still for 3+ sec

so just intentionally get in range, let him attack, dodge it, then you're free to pummel him

[keen bluff]

btw when your cast is down, rotate between dash strikes and specials

no omegas at all really

[surreal hazel]

Until he tags out, then heracles works that way and prom runs support

They have a mode switch on their behaviour

[split igloo]

yeah but the strategy remains the same, let them attack first, then you get a big opening, don't try to out DPS the boss

[surreal hazel]

Yep. Don't be greedy

[vast sandal]

BIG & ｇｒｅｅｄｙ

[split igloo]

does Hermes' Success Rate affect Artemis' crit boons?

[opal pecan]

Affects every boon with a %chance. If you hover over the %chance keyword it will specifically and explicitly tell you that it's being modified by SR.

[native horizon]

hi, is there any 1 here that finished some max fear runs on charon axe specificaly? id like to ask a few questions : D
even more specific on the surface

[alpine raft]

charon 67 hasnt been done on either route yet

quite a few 65s tho

[split igloo]

oh btw, I managed to beat the Trial of Glory the other day, the build they give you is really awful, you deal no damage to the satyrs as they pelt you with rockets, but I dodged a lot and then got static shock eventually

the other coat trial though, Haste, seems impossible?

5 minutes for the entirety of mourning fields + cerb, and the build is eh, the math is not mathing out

[alpine raft]

have you tried it

5 min fields is pretty comfortable

[split igloo]

yeah but it's with the coat, you're just punching things and the build is not very optimized
maybe I'm missing something idk

[fiery kraken]

I don't know what tools you bring in, but you can fully upgrade arcana/weapon/animal/keepsake too

those make a pretty big difference in difficulty

[alpine raft]

im not sure what you start with but if you go miniboss -> echo, fields should not take that long

[split igloo]

it's all upgraded to the max

[split igloo]

pretty sure echo doesn't spawn in chaos trials, but I guess there will be a midshop you can run through

[alpine raft]

wel theres no midshop in fields but you might be right about no echo

[split igloo]

there is a midshop actually, echo normally overrides it, but it will be there in trials + the very first night (if you manage to get to the fields)

someone here told me this the other day

[alpine raft]

no way i gotta see this

[split igloo]

this could be an oversight on the dev's part, Echo's slot takes priority over the midshop, but there is in fact a midshop just like in Oceanus

[opal pecan]

No yeah, it's a known thing

IIRC it also happens in the run where Hec gets witchnapped

[spiral wadi]

midshop occurs if it's either first time fields, chaos trial, or kill time run

[surreal hazel]

It's like the preboss room. It can have a shop kr a random reward, except the shop has 100% priority

In this case it rolls the midshop room, except echo has 100% priority

[spiral wadi]

damn if only echo was 100% priority

[alpine raft]

this looks so strange lol

[split igloo]

that run is so weird, Mel completely stops talking, just the grunts

[surreal hazel]

And that room can only appear once

[alpine raft]

anyways haste is not as hard as you think itll be

[fiery kraken]

so would it be possible to see midshop if you don't take boss 2nd room and get multiple exits?

[split igloo]

fine, I'll try it again someday, do you get anything for completing all trials anyway?

[opal pecan]

No

Also, apparently Haste forces you to have no familiar 🤔

And it's Death instead of Strength (booooooooooooooooo)

[split igloo]

I gave it a quick look and the build feels too weak to pass 5 min, then I googled and people say it's only possible with RNG seed manipulation

this was pre 1.0 discussions/comments though

maybe they rebalanced it since?

[alpine raft]

i'll run it rq i'm curious

[split igloo]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145350/discussions/2/6369856709170200684/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1cshq8b/any_tips_towards_trial_of_haste/

[surreal hazel]

Just use the shop. The timer stops

[opal pecan]

I just ran it RQ and I had two minutes left

[split igloo]

what's rq

[opal pecan]

real quick

It did feel like ass though

[split igloo]

I guess they rebalanced it then, if you had 2 whole minutes left over

[opal pecan]

Probably

But also I did have to play it a bit different from normal, because they give you Pos special but Apollo attack

[split igloo]

because the 'git gud' guy in the reddit thread beat it with 28 sec on the timer

[opal pecan]

So I had to be more special-spammy than I (personally) normally am

[alpine raft]

yea i didnt even use half the time

droplet and mel coat is pretty fast

[opal pecan]

Plus it starts you out with two of the prereqs for King Tide

[split igloo]

what's that

[opal pecan]

Pos legendary, extra wave damage against bosses

[fiery kraken]

yeah just ran it real quick. if you skip all the side rewards it's pretty reasonable

1:48 left

[split igloo]

should I always take mini-bosses over the regular rooms

[opal pecan]

If you're trying to go fast, yes

especially in Fields

[fiery kraken]

would have done with 2 minutes to spare if I didn't get hit by the miasma and whiff my punch

[opal pecan]

In other regions, miniboss skips one normal encounter, and that's gonna be faster already

In Fields, miniboss skips 2-3 normal encounters

That's a biiiiiiiiig difference

[fiery kraken]

Also, I mash attack and special at the same time and it spits out specials inside your attack combo (there's probably a better way to do it, but it was sufficient for this task)

[split igloo]

how do the field encounters work anyway, my chaos curse sometimes lifts after clearing those mini-encounters rather than the whole room

[opal pecan]

Each combat-required reward = one encounter

[split igloo]

but I don't get bonus hp/armor/etc for clearing these mini-encounters

[opal pecan]

You've got to read the description and be very pedantic about it

If something says it applies to a Location, then a single Fields room is just one Location

(or chamber or whatever)

[split igloo]

is that how you're supposed to play the coat, I normally just go for the hammer that auto-fires rockets

[opal pecan]

If something says it applies to an Encounter, then each fight is an encounter, but stuff like shops doesn't count

[opal pecan]

You literally don't need that hammer because you can mash attack and special simultaneously on non-Shiva, it's a coat feature

[fiery kraken]

I don't know about supposed to, but that's how I play it

[opal pecan]

I'm pretty sure I have specifically said that to specifically you in the past 😆

[split igloo]

I'll need to rebind controls or something

[opal pecan]

It does screw me over sometimes because I get so used to it that I interrupt my own attacks or specials when I try to play Shiva lmao

[split igloo]

so basically you restore hp/armor/activate centaur only when going through doors

[fiery kraken]

I think one of the things I learned from the speedrun/high fear groups is that using omega beyond opening moves (or omega focused weapons) is kind of a trap

dps is just faster when doing some sort of dash attack special cancel combo with basically every weapon

[opal pecan]

Well, it depends on the situation (koff koff that one cursed Selene run where I had no attack or special boon and therefore was relying on Fourth Degree Controlled Burn for damage lmaooooooooo)

[split igloo]

even the staff? I feel like it's a very omega focused weapon, unless you make a meme build like mirrored thrasher

[opal pecan]

Staff is very much not an omega focused weapon unless you're playing Anubis or Momus

Circe and Mel staves are both run and bonk kinda weapons

[fiery kraken]

base staff combo is dash strike into special (slide attack to special)

[split igloo]

you can dash cancel specials to fire them faster, but it feels clunky

but anyway, I'm not a speedrunner, not gonna get that technical at the game, I'm just a casual player

[grave parrot]

does vow of scars affect nergal regen/iron core?

[opal pecan]

It doesn't affect Nergal regen, but I'm not sure about Iron Core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdOb7xqM9So anyway here's my Haste, you can see I'm super awkward at the start while I'm trying to figure out how to play it lol

[split igloo]

so you dash strike into special huh

[opal pecan]

Normally there would be more dash striking; I have a weakness and a predilection for excessive dash-striking to the point where it becomes a detriment if anything :P but yeah, with this build gotta be putting that special to use more

[split igloo]

but anyway, thanks for all the advice guys, even a whole video, I'm floored

[fiery kraken]

your run was definitely a lot cleaner than mine. I just punched things and smashed special

mostly I spent a lot of the run complaining that I had wave special rather than attack

[vast sandal]

I may have had nearly 400hp this run but im seeing the vision i beat r prometheus quite easy. I see why not to ocast better to focus on positioning. This isnt my first rodeo or anything i just wasnt as consistent with them and i think i get it mord now

[silent crow]

study it with frenzy 2

[vast sandal]

Oh yeah. I do have frenzy 2 on

Forgot cx

[opal pecan]

I mean I did spend a lot of the run complaining identically in my head, especially after I hit ER 😆

[grave parrot]

how should i build and use aspect of morrigan???

[frank siren]

Theres a lot of stuff you can do to maximize the triad but just getting the final slice hammer and nova strike is plenty fun

[opal pecan]

1. learn how to do the triad and which move corresponds with which point in the triangle symbol that appears over affected enemies' heads
2. understand that in addition to the aspect gimmick, the Morrigan's full attack sequence contains both fast hits and wide-area hits, both of which can be strong points to build on

[vernal quiver]

Its super flexible almost anything works

But you either go into triad stuff with your usual zeus/hera combo or final slice shenanigans

Ive also seen scorch work decently with it cuz everything hits 3 times

[mystic mango]

I also quite like Hera attack for clearing personally

Since it can help counteract wards due to the hitch

And stuff like dying wish and hereditary bane works really well for the extra hits from the oattack

[idle haven]

So idk what it was, but for some reason while doing a run with a circe build my Omega cast build entirely broke on the typhon fight. the mini boss fight worked fine. But it wouldn't cast my omega even when I would hold down the cast option. It would just give me a normal cast. Can any1 help or explain? It was a storm ring, hostile enviroment, meat grinder, prom flare, winners circle, with the zeus and apollo duo as well.

and I lost the run because of it. Did not really have the damage I needed because my build ended up breaking the game.

[split igloo]

you should screenshot your build in the taverna and send the pic to devs, the game is still receiving bug fix patches

[surreal hazel]

Ah yes, I've hit thus issue as well. Winner's circle as well?

I'm still trying to nail down what causes it

[idle haven]

yes. it was just so weird cause it only happened in the typhon fight.

[surreal hazel]

But glorious disaster is buggy

[idle haven]

hit glourious disaster 2 chambers before typhon. and it worked

typhon fight. don't work

build was complete. no other like boons that change speed or casts or anything like that.

[surreal hazel]

Mmmm. I've seen the two stage cast bug out where there's no enough mana to even cast acnormal omega

But thd second stage happens anyway and the channel meter appears blue as if you can do it

But it fails

[final sedge]

Just did a run with nergal for the first time. I didnt really like it, felt slow and awkward, but I ended up destroying chronos and ended with full life. Kinda wild.

[vast sandal]

I did my first nergal run earlier and im in love. But it was also my first unrivaled typhon and i died

[surreal hazel]

Spin to win

[wild drift]

How do the various casts work with Charon? I got Tidal Ring in all my previous runs and it's pretty simple damage immediately so I was wondering about all the other ones especially the DoT ones

[silent crow]

the dot ones are worse

except anvil ring

[wild drift]

What about Engagement Ring, does it increase the Hitch AoE?

Got offered Hera special and cast and both sound great

Probably gonna just take the special anyway since it's purple

[severe flax]

Is there a consistent way to avoid rivals Hecate sheep curse(s) while she also does the multiple power small power waves that cover half the arena and bounce back?

The most consistent way I found is to just tank the curse and run away to the corner while praying for good rng

[surreal hazel]

The only one with a special behaviour is Solar Ring, whose damage proc gets forced to happen on cleave cast

which is good, because if it didn't do that, it would just never fire at all

[surreal hazel]

To answer this, think about it this way, when you cleave cast, there's a very short period of time where the cast is expanded to its bonus size but not yet detonated, this is enough time for all of the curse-casts to inflict their curses, and even sword ring gets to spawn swords

Smolder ring also inflicts a tick of scorch to enemies in the expanded radius since that one second cooldown is per enemy and not on the cast itself

[mystic mango]

Yeah for Charon the natural worst ones are gonna be Zeus and demeters casts

Just since their single tick damage is pretty low

[surreal hazel]

at least demeter gives you a sudden radius of freezing enemies

[mystic mango]

Yeah there’s at least that

Storm ring is just “yep one guy gets zapped”

Smolder, anvil, and engagement rings kinda sit in the middle

Not the worst but not great

Ah and rupture ring

Since it at least has some decent damage and pulls guys into it

[surreal hazel]

Even then that might not happen if you're between strike cooldowns

[mystic mango]

Yeah

But tidal, sword, and solar are easily the best options for Charon

[surreal hazel]

Big AoE of hitch usually means everyone is about to die

Solar is probably the best as its damage is better than tidal, and well, you kinda want apollo on your charon runs anyhow

Froth isn't exactly axe-friendly

[mystic mango]

Yeah

Sword ring though is great if you
get cutting edge

[surreal hazel]

And cut above

[mystic mango]

Or even just by itself since it’s a lot of damage

[surreal hazel]

ALL THE SWORDS

[mystic mango]

Yeah lol

Sword ring has its flaws but when it’s good it’s GOOD

[surreal hazel]

Gotta make sure that sop-whisper is really dead

[mystic mango]

Ares is my god that I really enjoy using even if he’s not great

Plasma is alright on some stuff, and his strengths do require some setup

But when he’s good he’s good

Getting a good blade build is always fun

[surreal hazel]

Ever done coffin nail + Cut above on a torch build?

absolute carnage

Sudden burst or oSpecial and you're just dropping swords everywhere

[wild drift]

Yeah probably happy to have Tidal just cause it means you probably get to have Geyser Spout

Though same with Solar and Lucid Gain lol (and Prom Flare but that sucks)

[mystic mango]

The one thing you probably don’t want is sword ring with geyser spout

Except on bosses, just cause like “oh yeah thanks sword but I already yeeted that dude 20 feet that way”

[surreal hazel]

Well, yeeted its coprse

you just slapped it with an omega special and gyser spout with bonus cast damage, if it ain't dead then it's a boss and the sword will still hit

[mystic mango]

Assuming you got through both wards

[surreal hazel]

well, yes, but wards and charon is always a miserable experience

oh hi there, smolder ring, nice of you to strip those wards in advance

[mystic mango]

If you got two wards then the second might tank the geyser. RIP Charon high fear

But yeah then you’d just go smolder or solar

[surreal hazel]

I don't know if scorch ticks fast enough to strip wards before the cast goes off if they're in the expanded range

[mystic mango]

Since solar counts as separate damage

[surreal hazel]

and yeah, we're also talking about that other fact of life: Ares Hates Wards

[mystic mango]

“I love doing extra 0 damage”

[surreal hazel]

Hestia does not see wards

[mystic mango]

I did zero damage but harder

[surreal hazel]

they are nothing to her

Zeus outsources ward removal to mel herself before blitz kills them

[mystic mango]

Static shock does a good enough job with that

[surreal hazel]

Also very true

[mystic mango]

Since one poke deals with both wards

[surreal hazel]

The same poke that inflicts blitz

[mystic mango]

Ye

[surreal hazel]

even without SS, you still need to do some damage after inflicting blitz to force it

and there you go, two hits before blitz

[mystic mango]

I mean depending on the encounter I’d just run around and give everybody blitz rather than focusing on each enemy

[surreal hazel]

Dancing daggers moment

man I missed the days of dancing daggers and spiral knives, that was just the prettiest thing to trash tartarus with

[ruby hedge]

guys, i wanna try out the supay aspect, does anyone have decent build for that?

[wild drift]

Heaven Strike/Heaven Flourish + Passion Rush/Glamour Gain = Romantic Spark

[surreal hazel]

Don't worry about builds exactly, but stay away from attack and defense boons that do +% damage (Unless it's hera) and you'll do fine

[wild drift]

Or start with Heat Rush/Breaker Rush for good early damage

[surreal hazel]

the base damage of supay is terrible, but it's doing a lot of things at the same time, so go for the combo stuff and fixed bonuses

[wild drift]

Zeus is also great to have in general for Static Shock/Air Quality

[ruby hedge]

ok, thx you two, i'll try my best

[tough torrent]

My favorite ward breaker is arctic gale frfr

[surreal hazel]

Strong choice

[split igloo]

anyone else never take poseidon and hestia rush boons because the vfx are so excessive?

[wispy veldt]

I just can't do 5 minute timer I keep timing out to heroes
I have gotten out of ephyra with over 50 seconds more than once, but I just keep reaching heroes between 30 seconds to 90 seconds

(Heracles + Prometheus)

I've been climbing up fears, managed to do 55 and if I can just get the timer to be a bit better to me I'm sure I can do 60 fear

[vernal quiver]

do you know proper ephyra routing??

generally you should be leaving ephyra with like a minute to 2 minutes assuming the luck isnt awful

[tough torrent]

I do medea first, hammer second and then go from there.
Definitely not optimal especially when the hammer is on the opposite side but it works for me

Also I dont avoid the back half of the rooms

[fiery kraken]

doesn't medea add to the room depth and make all the other rooms have more enemies?

[tough torrent]

Dont all rooms?

She has a beacon in the room so its not taking a room for no reason

And it pauses timer

[fiery kraken]

Well, if medea increases room depth, then you want to take her last so you're doing combats room 1-5 rather than 2-6

[tough torrent]

but what if you get the 5 mana per encounter

[fiery kraken]

just take the double mana room if you need magic

[opal pecan]

She doesn't, according to recent discussion

#1051942118698008606 message

[vernal quiver]

well either way you wanna take her later so she takes the spot of a more end room depth

[opal pecan]

If she doesn't affect depth, why would taking her later make a difference?

Either it's M-1-2-3-4-5 or it's 1-2-3-4-5-M

As long as you're taking her at all, you avoid seeing 6

(so to speak)

[fiery kraken]

serves me right for muting the any fear channel

interesting, thanks for sharing

[opal pecan]

Guau can't believe Hades 2 player mcshoo is out there muting the any fear channel smh my dang head

[frank siren]

What keepsakes are you taking? Each door in ephyra has a specific room behind it and the speedrunning guide (though a bit outdated) has a map of rooms to avoid. If you dont have medea pity, just do 3 underworld runs to guarantee her to appear. You kinda want to gamble on hearts or Magick pots in ephyra if they're conveniently placed to try and get Artemis. If you get Heracles on a boat, thats a time loss and getting charybdis is probably a reset moment

[wispy veldt]

I did say I get out of ephyra with at least 50 seconds usually

[frank siren]

In olympus, its worth trying to stick to inside doors (not launcher pads) to avoid aetos and try to get a fountain room

[wispy veldt]

Yee I do that

[frank siren]

Gotcha gotcha, then maybe issue is damage?

[wispy veldt]

Maybe, but like, last run for example I had aspect of Persephone with lvl 10 epic heph attack, lvl 8 hera special, freeze cast, blinding rush

It didn't feel weak

I even used leaf after ephyra

[frank siren]

Maybe unlucky enemy waves too. Heph attack really wants all the supporting stuff to bump up the blast damage

[opal pecan]

Do high Fear folks take the minibosses or nah

[frank siren]

In ephyra?

[opal pecan]

In general

[turbid karma]

speedrunners? or just like anyone doing high fear

[opal pecan]

People having Time difficulties ig

[turbid karma]

they’re good times saves over regular rooms mostly in underworld

[opal pecan]

We're specifically talking high Fear Surface

[wispy veldt]

Outside of ephyra you're kinda forced to usually

[opal pecan]

Olympus doesn't force you to take miniboss iirc

Source: me avoiding the minibosses when I was trying to do 40f lol

[turbid karma]

ah - they’re a lot longer on OW, unsure how much that hurts compared to a high fear wave

[wispy veldt]

Ehhh I usually have both doors spawning

But yeah it's not actually forced

It just pretty much is

In my last run I think I went into heroes with 93 seconds
No circe, no athena, no artemis, no fountain, no birdie, icarus in ship

Boss wasn't charibdus

I spelt that right shhh

My biggest issues are tbh me constantly getting sniped on eris and the stupid big ranged robot

Like it's a normal enemy but it keeps getting me every time

[opal pecan]

Everybody hates those guys

[wispy veldt]

Either when it switches to the defensive mode with the 4 orbs around it or it just mashing lasers that do 28 damage 3 times

[opal pecan]

Is it that they're ganking you, or is it that you're losing time hiding from them to avoid getting ganked

[mystic mango]

And getting Hippos during Rivals Eris then they fly away to the edge of the map where I either have to waste time killing them or constantly deal with homing projectiles

I hate those guys so much

[wispy veldt]

Both

[wispy veldt]

YES

[wispy veldt]

In thesally you barely have hiding spaces

[mystic mango]

Especially on that one ship with the bottom and top deck with the wall of oil in the middle

[opal pecan]

Oh I hate that

[tough torrent]

genuinely i would rather have hippos than the olympus bots in that tight, tiny space

[mystic mango]

If you get an annoying guy at the top of the stairs you can’t hide behind the wall cause of the fire

[tough torrent]

just 14 damage howitzers to the dome without any cover in sight

[wispy veldt]

AND WHEN THEY SPAWN DURING THE ERIS FIGHT

YOU HAVE NO WALLS

[mystic mango]

Yeah zero cover at all

[tough torrent]

if you're not exactly on top of where eris drops them you're toasted

[mystic mango]

Menace makes rivals eris so much more annoying cause of that alone

[wispy veldt]

And then you have to decide on the bot sniping you or eris sniping you

Both basically taking a DD

[mystic mango]

Yeah you gotta take a coin toss on where Eris is gonna go to

And deal with the minion first

[opal pecan]

Not that she's much good against these rapidfire dudes, but you are taking Gale, right

[wispy veldt]

Unless you manage lovers well

[wispy veldt]

yee

[opal pecan]

*well, no, I suppose the innate dodge chance is still worth something

[wispy veldt]

I watched boated enough to learn what are decent setups

My favourite weapon is probably just skulls
But I think I'm best with eos

Which is annoying for high fear because you easily miss a remnant

And lose a lot of time with it

[fiery kraken]

how high fear are you talking and what's your arcana & weapon?

and if it's less than 62, what's your fear setup?

[wispy veldt]

Eos
Gale
60 fear - tried 62 for a while but I'm leaving 50% healing on for now
Jpom

[fiery kraken]

and you're going surface?

[wispy veldt]

Yee

Arcana...

Lovers
DD and Strength
Artificer
Damage ones, I suck at names let me see what I remember

[fiery kraken]

arcana: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[opal pecan]

(make sure to hit Generate URL before copy and pasting)

[fiery kraken]

DD and Strength is too costly. I think the standard is just DDs for high fear (though if you are going with healing on, you can try strength since that opens you up to buying food)

[wispy veldt]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE4IiwiYzIzIl0=

I know that eternity can be useful for skull to not lose gale barriers from the birds while charging specials

But I think I can manage without it

[fiery kraken]

eternity doesn't proc for your Oattack, so it's not as good

[opal pecan]

Huh!? Why not, is it a bug or is there some rationale

[wispy veldt]

o

[fiery kraken]

I have only a single lucksack 62 underworld to my name, but I did it on this: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM5IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3Il0=

Boatman gives you a guarenteed midshop boon and depending on the rooms, a possible endshop boon for underworld.

For overworld you don't get midshop, so it may not be worth huntress and artificer

[wispy veldt]

Yeah but like
What do I even use the other points on?
Remove messanger and add boatman?

[alpine raft]

remove death/strength + night, add boatman and wayward

[fiery kraken]

though I've found artificer to be harder to use on surface attempts (I've been messing around with 50 on medea) if I'm taking chlorox

[wispy veldt]

I am not adding wayward son because this is my prep for 62

[fiery kraken]

I think you kind of want one of the top right corner so you get natural magic regen for eos. It's enough to save you from needing a gain

[wispy veldt]

You mean unseen?

[fiery kraken]

OH yes

[wispy veldt]

I feel like that's a big spend

[fiery kraken]

that's right, I swapped boatman for unseen, which was big

[alpine raft]

no surely you mean hex regen from moon

[fiery kraken]

oh hmm I no longer remember

[wispy veldt]

True!

[alpine raft]

unseen is super horrible

[wispy veldt]

I definitely don't purge my hexes

[fiery kraken]

you might have to experiment. Maybe I turned on both boatman AND unseen somehow

[wispy veldt]

Hex charge would be so useful to le

[opal pecan]

Moon (hex charge) is the one that gets auto-activated if you do any of the top right corner

[fiery kraken]

that doesn't seem likely

[opal pecan]

Unseen (magick regen) is the one that you have to pay 5 grasp for

And can be used to activate Moon

[wispy veldt]

Yee

[flint widget]

only worth it on high fear eos tbh

[fiery kraken]

yeah I am misremembering. I got unseen and turned off boatman I think

lots of experimenting and hitting walls

[wispy veldt]

Early mana regen is useful I agree but like you usually get either flood gain, cardio gain, grizzly gain, or just born gain

I keep forgetting the cast one

[flint widget]

yeah

[opal pecan]

Lucid

[wispy veldt]

What's it called

[alpine raft]

its worth it to not time out in erebus

[wispy veldt]

Yee thanke

[opal pecan]

Grizzly Gain should be one where Artemis' girlfriend crashes out of the woods in full bear form and sort of throws a salmon-shaped bundle of magick at you

[wispy veldt]

Is getting out of ephyra with 30-50 seconds not good?

[alpine raft]

im not too experienced in 62+ surface but that seems like decent pace

magick aspects in erebus will often go over 5 min tho

[wispy veldt]

I just try to stay to the medium sized rooms + max of two orange ones

(Orange from the map guide)

(Not the side rooms)

[fiery kraken]

I think if you redeploy the 4 from strength and pick up boatman or unseen?

[opal pecan]

Ephyra, not Erebus

Isn't Hec worse than Poly, rivalswise

[alpine raft]

yea its not close

[opal pecan]

(I hate all Rivals so I am just quoting others)

[fiery kraken]

hec almost always times me out unless I have a completed build

[wispy veldt]

I mean yes

But it took me so long to learn poly

How are you supposed to know he stops to bait you if you constantly attack it

[alpine raft]

easier boss and you have more prep

[opal pecan]

And what are the chances of having a completed build by the end of a Debt+Forfeit Erebus right lol

[fiery kraken]

it's like 1 in 10. But I have had runs that were able to get far even after timing out in erebus

[wispy veldt]

Yep, welcome to high fear

But yeah I just need to loke

Find timesaves in thesally and olympus

I do like 2-3 jump-pads because the rewards are worth it to me

[flint widget]

eh id say 50% of the time u get a build going cuz boatman and artificer exist

boatman guaranteed free midshop boon

and artificer can pull boons

if u dont have both tho ur cooked

[opal pecan]

TFW you artificer and it's max magick on a lowmega weapon

[wispy veldt]

I tend to go for the watch during olympus as well
Maybe if I go boatman I can replace it with knuckle bones + hitch

[flint widget]

eh its more safety if u prime out a lot

[alpine raft]

or it gives a boon but its damn hermes

[opal pecan]

Specifically on a weapon with low omega usage, I mean

[flint widget]

more safe than sorry

[fiery kraken]

what keepsake you do for 2nd biome?

[wispy veldt]

Leaf

[flint widget]

piece

[wispy veldt]

I kept taking the piece

[flint widget]

if i speedrun leaf

[wispy veldt]

But timed out too much

So I started taking leaf

[opal pecan]

It's annoying that it doesn't feel like there's much you can do on a macro level to manipulate your timer in any part of the Surface run other than Ephyra

[alpine raft]

leaf isnt bad yea

[flint widget]

tbf surface is ass so

[alpine raft]

antler olympus could save some time 👀

[opal pecan]

Not if you're timing out at Prom

Wait no I can't read

[wispy veldt]

Ah yes, 30 hp losing 5hp every 3 seconds

[opal pecan]

Hot take: antler Thessaly

[wispy veldt]

Chaos aspect of artemis mission

[opal pecan]

Exactly

Rivals Eris is annoying because she flies away so much? Just burst her faster lol!!!!

[wispy veldt]

Girlie keeps clearing on hit effects

[flint widget]

are u talking about curses

[wispy veldt]

Yee

[flint widget]

cuz scorch is the only on hit that clears when eris flies

[wispy veldt]

Blitz stays???

[flint widget]

nah

[fiery kraken]

doesn't she clear freeze and gust?

[flint widget]

yeah

those are not on hit

[fiery kraken]

I guess I don't understand the terminology

[opal pecan]

I think I see it

[wispy veldt]

^^

[opal pecan]

If you hit a Blitzed enemy with Blitz again, that's not gonna do anything

If you hit a Frozen enemy with another Freeze attack, it's not gonna reset their Freeze duration

[wispy veldt]

Love it when 999 scorch goes away in a second

[opal pecan]

Scorch is the only one out of those where every time you hit, it's doing the same thing

[wispy veldt]

Does getting hit with hitch reset the timer?

[flint widget]

what

rephrase

[alpine raft]

hitchs timer

[opal pecan]

I would guess not, given that they specifically made at least one hitch applying boon (Nexus Rush) have no effect on already-hitched enemies

Not even the damage 😔

[flint widget]

oh yeah the duration

[wispy veldt]

When afflicting hitch
Hitch activates on an enemy for a certain amount of time
Does afflicting hitch on it again reset the amount of time hitch is active on that enemy

[flint widget]

nah

[wispy veldt]

he answered yes to you but no to me what

[opal pecan]

"Oh yeah" as in "oh I see what you mean" haha

"Nah" is the answer to the actual question

[wispy veldt]

Oh lmao

[flint widget]

reading comprehension curse

[alpine raft]

i forget it has a duration tbh

[opal pecan]

Hereditary Bane is good for more than just hilarious multipliers smh

[flint widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283830399683919906/1478892879568044142/l3j7ig0f14yd1.png?ex=69aa0dd2&is=69a8bc52&hm=af52e207826d1be7667b7b19b00912be6f879268c564f3a1ba56fe60d4a52dc9&animated=true

[wispy veldt]

It's good for the legendary (me when I copium)

[flint widget]

true

[wispy veldt]

Chat what are y'all's favorite duos

There are the obvious ones like cherished heirloom, island getaway, afflict scorch with blitz, but I'm asking for favorites not best ones

I personally love hestia
& hera / hestia & aphro
A lot of damage onto anyone with hitch / Infinite scorch

[flint widget]

thermal d, ecstatic obession, burning desire, sun worshipper, anus affront, beach ball, warm breeze, chain reaction, cherished heirloom

[wispy veldt]

Thermal dynamics that's the one I forgot the name

[opal pecan]

For combat: Romantic Spark, Arterial Spray, Thermal Dynamics
For utility: Cherished Heirloom, Sun Worshiper, Seismic Servo
For "this entire build is now about": Brave Face, Heinous Affront, Island Getaway

Overall fave is a toss-up between RS and CH, prob

[wispy veldt]

oo romantic spark is a fun one

[digital juniper]

heinous is crazy strong but it’s also crazy fun with light smite

[wispy veldt]

That's the revenge damage one?

Like, it triggering automatically

Never really got proper usage out of it considering denial

[mystic mango]

Media Literacy Devil

[grave parrot]

WHAT does hitch do like what would i use it for, the percent increase to damage isnt TOO fantastic, the status effect is kind of weird?

[flint widget]

u use it for room clear

thats the whole point

if u want pure damage go for aphro or apollo

but hera is still the goat

[grave parrot]

am i missing something in how it works because it seems kind of inefficient tbh

like i hitch a bunch of dudes and hit one of them for 100 damage and all the other ones just take 30 right

[flint widget]

yeah u spread ur damage basically

op for room clear

[grave parrot]

hmmm

does it like stack or soemthing???

if i hitch 3 guys and then hit 2 of them for 100 each does guy #3 take 60 damage instead of 30?

[flint widget]

nah

[keen bluff]

yeah they would no

[flint widget]

but theres hereditary bane that increases hitch damage

[keen bluff]

cause the 30 would proc from both

[flint widget]

oh right

[grave parrot]

ohhhh

[flint widget]

its 3 am my brain is not mathing

[grave parrot]

so if i hitch a whole bunch of people it deals a lot of damage instead of just 30?

🤔

ok thanks gang

[past salmon]

Every hit taken by every hitched enemy is spread to every other hitched enemy

[mystic mango]

Yeah so if you use engagement ring for example the omega hit will damage every single enemy for every single other enemy hit

[grave parrot]

okay and if i hitch five people and hit ALL of them again do they all also take the hitch damage increase from each other? so like 100 * 5 = 500 and 30 percent of 500 is like 150 so do they all take 100+150 from my attack?

[mystic mango]

So 5 enemies means every one takes an additional 120 damage from 4 others being hit

[grave parrot]

oooh ok thanks

[mystic mango]

Well so not counting themselves

So it would be 100*4

[grave parrot]

thank you homie

[mystic mango]

Base hitch is 20% right?

[flint widget]

its 30%

[mystic mango]

oh nah 30% yeah

I just pulled it up

so yeah 100 damage would be 30 per enemy

[flint widget]

hereditary bane base increases it by 10%

[mystic mango]

so n-1 for number of enemies hit

Is how much each enemy takes

[flint widget]

hades 2 players can do math!? shocking

[mystic mango]

Okay, Zeus

"Shocking"

[grave parrot]

hey what do i do during boss fights though is hitch just useless then and i just have to rely on like 80% damage increase

[mystic mango]

But yeah hitch is an N-1 equation effectively

If every enemy is being hit equally

[keen bluff]

yeah its only good for the summons

at least its an easy origination proc

[mystic mango]

Rivals Prometheus loves Hitch

[flint widget]

get a different damage source

like blasts blitz or scorch

[grave parrot]

what a wise guy

[mystic mango]

But yeah on solo bosses it doesn't do anything other than activate origination

But it's still a very solid % buff if it's your only option

[flint widget]

yeah

[grave parrot]

❤️

[flint widget]

legit tk with hera special solos everything

[keen bluff]

tk?

[flint widget]

trick knives

[grave parrot]

hmm

also !!!!

[flint widget]

dont need anything else just that and orig proc ez game

[grave parrot]

how does scorch work? like i kind of gather when you have scorch on your boon you 1) add scorch stacks to them when you hit them for the scorch amount it says, and then 2) the scorch drains and does that damage (?)

is that how it does work . . .

[mystic mango]

Scorch does damage 6 times per second

All damage buffs are applied to that damage

at 100/second that's 16.67 damage per tick

pyro technique increases the damage per tick

[opal pecan]

All damage buffs except crit/minicrit/AQ

[flint widget]

more draining of scorch

[mystic mango]

Yeah sadly

[flint widget]

the more draining the better unless u have no curses

[grave parrot]

pyro technique makes the scorch go away faster so it deals damage faster ?

[flint widget]

yes

[grave parrot]

ok

[opal pecan]

It cashes bigger checks

[mystic mango]

It still hits 6/second but more per tick

[opal pecan]

If your bank account isn't fat enough, then that can be a bad thing

But if you're minting Scorch like the very blazes, then it's a good thing

[flint widget]

yeah cuz then the scorch just disappears instantly

[grave parrot]

so i use scorch on like

blades cause theyre fast so they put more scorch on faster right

[flint widget]

yeah probably

i also like putting it on coat attack or special depending if i get shimmering or not

[mystic mango]

Freezer burn, FYI, does the same thing but instantly turns all damage into a single tick and that tick accepts damage buffs

[grave parrot]

if it says like your attack inflicts scorch, scorch damage is 30 per second does that mean put 30 damage worth of scorch on them with each attack, and then that 30 drains at 6 scorch damage per second?

[flint widget]

cast is also damn solid

[grave parrot]

oh yeah i lke the cast

i didnt know hwo it worked i just liked it because it was making numbers appear more often than the other ones idk

[mystic mango]

Nah so it applies 30 per hit

[flint widget]

like circe with smolder is legit cracked

[mystic mango]

The scorch rate is always 100/s and buffed by pyro technique

[flint widget]

get pyro and ez but storm ring still miles better

[mystic mango]

if you apply 30 scorch then it will still damage at 16.67/tick

[flint widget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/67-six-seven-diddybludeinstein-h1fDrNk53BgshHSFkf

[mystic mango]

Google: how to make an anonymous SWAT call

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/sayaka-maizono-thinking-thinking-monkey-danganronpa-sayaka-maizono-thinking-gif-9852141334526147740

[grave parrot]

ok thanks !!!!

[mystic mango]

I'm not playing with denial but I legit just took light smite over sun worshipper because I'm setting up for heinous affront from the 3rd run in a row lol

[opal pecan]

I mean, Light Smite is good

[mystic mango]

oh I'm aware but it would have been funny to have the night bloom and sun worshipper meme

[clear sail]

in h1 aphrodite had the biggest straight damage increase on her boons- is that still true?

okay i check that seems to be true?

[alpine raft]

yes but they are less useful because of the range

[clear sail]

currently on the axe so that works out perfect

[mystic mango]

A good roll on Aphro attack on axe RIPS

But you are giving yourself a little more work to get origination if you go that route

[clear sail]

no idea what that means

[keen bluff]

certain arcana card

[mystic mango]

It's one of the best arcanas in the game, same as the one in H1 where having 2 curses on an enemy makes them take significant extra damage

50% damage buff when fully upgraded

[clear sail]

wlel id ont have that one active anyways so

[mystic mango]

It's not a necessity, just a very good arcana

[clear sail]

ok yea this is very good . i got the hammer upgrade that lets you move freely during your omega attack with the axe. STUPID.

also i dont have that arcana but if i did i think i'd be fine? i dont get what you mean. i have hestia on special and demeter on cast now

[turbid karma]

move AND strike! don’t forget to keep attacking while your omega attack is going

[clear sail]

no death defiances used! second ever clear :D

[turbid karma]

nice!!!

[final sedge]

Last three runs of supay I don’t even get a rush boon lol

[clear sail]

tried using the coat w/ scorch and it went pretty poorly- what should i be focusing on w/ the coat ?

[opal pecan]

1. If you're applying a lot of Scorch, you want Pyro Technique or Freezer Burn to make it burstier
2. Are you dash-striking a lot, spamming specials (which for the record can be mashed nearly simultaneously with your attack), and making full use of your dash in general?

Other than that, you'll have to be more specific about what went poorly

[clear sail]

what do you mean by making full use of your dash here? 🤔 as for what went poorly i put demeter on specials - which i realized didnt work bc the missiles dont really spread- scorch was on attack but it just was not doing the damage it needed to - should i have put scorch on special instead? or what other boons work well w/ it

[opal pecan]

Scorch works on either one. By "full use of your dash" I mean both that the coat's dash-strike is one of its most powerful features and also that since its attacks are melee, you'll need to be dashing about a bit to stay safe and hit things.

The dash-strike is a triple hit, which if you're using Scorch, means you apply 3x the amount of Scorch in the same amount of time it would take for you to do one normal attack.

[clear sail]

hm

also my second question- boons that synergize well other than scorch?

[opal pecan]

Have you checked the pinned guide?

[clear sail]

theres a pinned guide?

i will now ig

[hallow valley]

hellooo how is night arcana for aspect of moros?

[tall notch]

Not worth it

[wild drift]

Maybe worth it on Eos?

[flint widget]

its def worth on eos

[tall notch]

Yeah on Eos it is, thanks to the way the Daybreaker works

[keen bluff]

Are eos and momus the only good aspects with it?

[tall notch]

Only Eos, on Momus I wouldn't bother cycling

[flint widget]

shiva

[tough torrent]

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos if you're a crit-fiend

Supay can Night cycle pretty easily

[tall notch]

but it shouldn't past like chamber 3

[surreal hazel]

But those first chambers are awful with supay so maaaaybe?

[tall notch]

I guess so, if you consider that Supay has very little reason to click Huntress

[surreal hazel]

+50% bonus damage on a 15 power attack and 10 power special

Typhon is quaking in his tusks over that damage potential

and yeah, I know that the furies is basically welded to everyone's arcana grid, but supay definitely has an easier time optimising its use than others

[wild drift]

I removed Furies for some aspects like Morrigan to fit in Huntress and Eternity

[surreal hazel]

But it's the furies?

[final sedge]

Is the extra dash damage even that important on supay? I find the auto attack and constant specials to do all the damage for me

[surreal hazel]

Sometimes it's hilariously good, but you can just use blinding rush and make it work fine

[wild drift]

It can help early game if you get a rush boon first

[surreal hazel]

but you can also just play it as Aspect of Nexus Rush

[wild drift]

You can also build around it with Heat Rush, Breaker Rush, or Stabbing Rush + duos but it's probably not the best thing to do

[final sedge]

why is blinding rush the play?

[surreal hazel]

Supay is as much about good casts as good rush, since you're pretty free to do both

[surreal hazel]

Blinding rush is just good

[final sedge]

does it even do damage?

[surreal hazel]

nope

[austere trail]

easy application of daze and huge speed boost

[surreal hazel]

doesn't need to, easiest curse to apply in the game to get origination going

[final sedge]

I think I leveled it up for no reason

[surreal hazel]

I mean, it's not the only way to play supay

while it's very inflexible on its attack and special boons, the cast and rush boons are pretty open

and tranquil gain is suddenly excellent

Basically, if you take aphrodite or apollo on attack/special, I need to give you a slap

[final sedge]

Last run I had hestia on special and zeus on attack and triggered tall order. I was melting things with omega special

[surreal hazel]

yeah, now we're talking

+% is bad for raw damage because the base power on even supay's omegas is terrible, buuuuuut

[final sedge]

Chronos was still saying hello when I was saying goodbye

[surreal hazel]

I make exception for Sworn Flourish here

because spreading hitch that readily is devastating

[final sedge]

I wish I had hitch on sprint or special and had hereditary bonus going, that would've been sweet too

[surreal hazel]

only need one source of hitch tbh, but nexus is great, yeah

[wild drift]

I also make a small exception for Demeter on Supay because it's a pseudo-hitstun

[final sedge]

hereditary is the flat damage per god

[surreal hazel]

oh yeah, supay has no hitstun, even on omegas

[surreal hazel]

no it isn't

Extended Family is +% olympian damage per olympian

hereditary bane is bonus hitch damage

[final sedge]

oh I meant extended family

[surreal hazel]

that's just olympian damage, but yeah, blitz and scorch are definitely that

[final sedge]

when it says olympian damage... how does that apply to say aphrodite's attack and special... is it just the additional percentage and doesn't count the base?

[surreal hazel]

it doesn't

Basically olympian damage is shown as a coloured damage number corresponding to an olympian

white damage isn't olympian, it's weapon or omega cast damage

[final sedge]

I can not keep track of numbers on the screen fr

[surreal hazel]

(Shut up ares, you're weird)

[surreal hazel]

short answer, +% bonuses on weapon/cast stuff is not olympian

[final sedge]

okay so olympian damage is only things outside of flat damage multiplyers?

Say Ares bonus power on wound application, does that count?

[surreal hazel]

Wounds is, yes, but just the extra bit

But yeah, olympian boons that do their own damage are olympian

Basically everything zeus and hestia does

[final sedge]

I've been thinking extended family was flat boost ... and then just melting the run... unsure if that was just placebo lol... I thought it worked like Family Favorite from hades 1

I guess I'm often getting zeus along side hera and also getting static shock and air quality, so I'm probably getting some benefit from extended family, just not as much as I thought.

[turbid karma]

There's a weird circe/poseidon cast interaction, right? it can't double up, or something like that?

[final sedge]

I'd like to know if there is a bug on that.

[turbid karma]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[surreal hazel]

Sadly true

[turbid karma]

tragic!

i really like the idea of double poseidon cast

[surreal hazel]

Basically all of its benefit on supay

[final sedge]

there's no reason to put in a cooldown on a cast splash except specifically to screw circe cast... that's sad

[surreal hazel]

Yeah. It's there for legacy reasons and never got cleaned up

[turbid karma]

my circe poseidon cast + mirrored thrasher poseidon attack run is really suffering here 😆

I wonder actually if mirrored thrasher is slower than the .15 seconds and gets to proc twice?

[surreal hazel]

No it is not!

[opal pecan]

Just don't stack em

[surreal hazel]

The 0.15 icd seconds doesn't apply to attacks

Go and play powerwash simulator as you please with mirrored wave strike

[turbid karma]

oh pog!

it's only half suffering then 😄

[turbid karma]

gale makes that a little hard, but it is a slightly larger AOE for non-boss fights!

christ, made it out of oceanus with 1 hp left from time damage

[final sedge]

does mirrored thrasher count towards hexes?

[flint widget]

yes

[wispy veldt]

Beat heroes with 60 finally

Came in with 2 dd's and 50 seconds

Left on strength and long time on 0:00

Died right before babylon

[fiery kraken]

don't like the idea of cutting strength or death?

[grave parrot]

what does the aspect of supay do/how should you use it? ive gotten every secret aspect except supay, and ive kind of figured out how to win with all of them (except hel .), but from what ive heard of supay it doesnt seem all that good and really weird

[austere trail]

its early game is rough
you want on-hit effects like scorch, waves, blitz on both atk and special
a good rush boon helps
my playstyle is just ospecial -> oatk run around everywhere

[flint widget]

if u dont have forfeit early game really isnt that bad

unless u get like hammer selene or hermes start

[grave parrot]

ok thanks gang

[flint widget]

just breaker rush start and ez game tbh

get blitz and scorch on that thing as well and ur destroying enemies like its nothing

[final sedge]

Supay is auto attacking while you run around, I just did zeus on attack and Hestia on Special, and you omega special and attack while you run around... things were just melting.

[wispy veldt]

I'll be honest I did not even open the arcana menu I got back, saw I was already at the oath and just ran in

[clear sail]

quick what's the like strategy for when you're not playing with The Unseen Arcana (restore magic every sec)? i wasn't paying attention to the boons that restore magic- mainly wondering if like, every god has a version of them that you angle for, or there are specific gods you need to focus on. i know Hephaestus has one that restores 150 when you get damaged

[final sedge]

Is the shared hitch damage “Olympian “?

[austere trail]

they're called gain boons, and every god has one

[clear sail]

ok i thought so but wasnt sure. is there a particular gain boon that's much better or worse?

[austere trail]

yeah there's a definite hierarchy to them

born gain (hera), lucid gain (apollo) are top tier

[clear sail]

noted

[austere trail]

tough gain (heph) is probably the worst one

tranquil gain (demeter) and ionic gain (zeus) aren't terrible, but not very many people like them (I do)

[clear sail]

thanks !

[final sedge]

What aspects have the best bang for their hidden level unlocked by hephaestus’s legendary?

[austere trail]

I've always liked the beefier blood triad on morrigan

[final sedge]

Does origination affect triad damage?

[austere trail]

I don't think so, I don't think it can be affected by any damage boosting effects

[quartz onyx]

Hot take: Eris would be a much less annoying fight if she wasn't impervious 90% of the time!

[final sedge]

i kinda hate how much she throws shields and disappears to fly around

[umbral horizon]

So Typhon and Poly be like "stand still my boy"

[umbral horizon]

But it can be affected by Typhon's stunning phase

[wild drift]

Mel Blades, Morrigan, Moros, Nergal, Mel Skull

[mystic mango]

If Eris didn't clear curses every time she flew away it would be a lot less annoying

[final sedge]

Does fine line trigger multiple times on momus turrets?

Are hephastus bongs count as Olympian damage?

[left willow]

@wild drift #h2-victory-boasting message
wait was that low damage? It felt like I was kinda melting the bosses

[wild drift]

I meant low damage taken lol

[left willow]

Oh, ty lol

[wild drift]

I got clobbered by Typhon for like 600 my first time against him

[left willow]

He only hit me with the new triple tongue slam iirc

[clear sail]

any tips for prometheus? for some reason he always absoloutely thrashes me 😭

[left willow]

What’s killing you?

Whole thing? Bird? Prediction moves?

[clear sail]

Kind the whole thing the only thing i seem to be able to dodge consistently is the giant circular fire aoe he puts on you

[left willow]

Just keep running in a circle

[clear sail]

noted

[left willow]

Prometheus is not as dangerous as that circle in the moment

Also when he shoots the line of fire bait it to shoot offscreen

Gives you more space to run

[clear sail]

i try but im very bad at timing that one atm 😭 i move to dodge the incoming attack but its still not fired so i just end up putting the line in a bad spot

[left willow]

Just for now stand in a corner then

As far away as possible as close to the wall as possible

Never under any circumstances let him cut the arena in half with it you will die

[wild drift]

Prometheus has 3 phases, separated by the 2 memory games

In his first phase ALL his moves will be "charged" so when he slams the ground, there will be an expanding fire circle, when he does the spin kick, there will be a big fire wave

In the latter phases these moves will have a "cooldown" where sometimes they will be charged, sometimes not, easy way to tell for the ground slam is he has an indicator, in general you want to attack him after he does a big flashy move because he sorta stands still after those for a few seconds

[clear sail]

✍🏿 noted

[grave parrot]

he can deal a ton of damage pretty quickly with all his fire and kicking and whatnot, so its best to focus on dodging EVERYTHING because you have plenty of opportunities to punish after his moves when he stands still for a moment after missing them, dont take a bunch of totally avoidable damage and end up losing a dd or something because you try to go punch for punch with him

[clear sail]

hm okok

[grave parrot]

also it looks like you should be able to but you CAN'T dash through the fire on the ground after he shoots the one line of fire attack at you i keep trying to idk why 💔

[clear sail]

im also a lil confused abt the charged kick move he does bc the flames seem to come at like? not the angle in front of him?

[grave parrot]

i have no clue how the tracking for that move works either !!!

i just dash past big metheus on his first actual 'kick' part of the attack, and the fire wave cant touch you

idk if im making sense yk how he 1) kicks and then 2) fire shoots out

[clear sail]

ill try to focus more on dodging. i think part of it is that when i panic i start trying to spam damage so the fight ends faster 😭

[grave parrot]

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