It only gonna active on phase change
#h2-builds-and-combat
broken spoke
spark crown
Even then not really
umbral horizon
I remembered Flood gain is also suck ass in the EA
magic moss
eh pre rework flood gain is just current mortal gain
magic moss
...i forgot they changed the name to grisly gain
opal pecan
Ah, gotcha
magic moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1470583446882484401/image.png?ex=698bd30f&is=698a818f&hm=7b3b8b23ca024803850782b34755aacc0b51e240e3502c704051eb2fe876b622& like it was just kinda there?
magic moss
fwiw, this is all from EA patch 2, so like well over a year and a half ago
umbral horizon
And Aphrodite gain is the worst in EA
tough torrent
so its unchanged?
magic moss
And Aphrodite gain is the worst in EA
oh it was horrible at one point lmao yeah
tough torrent
its a free curse if you don't use mana
or use very little
so it does have good use case
umbral horizon
Not remember exactly, but weak curse only affect on 1 random foe in room
tough torrent
lol
opal pecan
what do you meaaaaaaan game where is my take all button yeesh
In case you didn't know, though, Nexus Rush won't damage enemies that are already hitched
So there's a bit of antisynergy between it and her other Hitch applicators
tough torrent
neither does ring as far as i can tell
i took rush, but kind of wonder if i should have taken the duo for later™
i'm on circe so i want a different cast
vernal quiver
cheirloom is the funny take assuming ur doing fang or antler r4
opal pecan
If you time it so you take the duo in the final endshop --
well, I guess antler doesn't care, but Fang does
vernal quiver
50% antler 🗣️
opal pecan
Cos taking it right before endboss gives you the full 70% damage
tough torrent
i had that happen with chrolex
i took it at the end of a region and got all my uses back lol
unfortunately that region was mourning so i didnt really get to make use
viral yew
unfortunately that region was mourning so i didnt really get to make use
?
You just use it on all the side rewards
thin gazelle
Yeah it’s great in fields
tough torrent
end of a region
opal pecan
Tart side room exploration run
broken spoke
Get all money for buying nightmare for lulz
thin gazelle
What’s the maximum amount of chambers possible in Tartarus?
vernal quiver
isnt it like 10
thin gazelle
That would make sense
vernal quiver
since 5 main rooms, 5 side rooms
opal pecan
Imagine if Dust Parcel and Exhumed Remains dropped the ashes/bones as pickups on the floor
Not only could you actually proc the minor bonus, you could also choose to chrolex instead
*and Gift of Nectar or whatever
broken spoke
Spend gold to get gold
thin gazelle
Shrine of Hermes 🤑🤑🤑
broken spoke
Investment
thin gazelle
Melinoe’s clever drop shipping scheme
opal pecan
Shrine of Hermes 🤑🤑🤑
NGL I have fully bought Shrine of Hermes stuff with the intent of chrolexing them
tough torrent
mfw i do a circe run and get mirrored thrasher in erebus 
thin gazelle
mfw i do a circe run and get mirrored thrasher in erebus <:SAD:66430089955599975...
I love mirrored thrasher
tough torrent
i wanted to do a funny cast run but it turned it to an op hammer run
vernal quiver
mfw i do a circe run and get mirrored thrasher in erebus <:SAD:66430089955599975...
i hate mirrored thrasher
it throws off my timings by like a quarter of a second i hate it
tough torrent
Me in oceanus: Wow easy shot seems perfect for this build
Me at the end of tart: Wow it almost never triggered cause everything died before the cast popped
viral yew
Me in oceanus: Wow easy shot seems perfect for this build
Me at the end of tart:...
The amount of times i've taken easy shot and it doesn't do damage is because the ocast can do alot of damage before the arrows even show up
Visually my favourite boon tho
tough torrent
maybe if i had winner circle it would have done something
but never got offered and didnt feel like rolling for it
alpine raft
easy shot might be my only 0 times taken
viral yew
easy shot might be my only 0 times taken
I only took it so I could say I won a run with every boon at least once
digital juniper
i still have death warrant’s prophecy not fulfilled
tough torrent
I still have some duos from weird pairings, and I still need to take some hidden aspects to chronos
And some other random junk
umbral horizon
easy shot might be my only 0 times taken
I almost forgot what its ability
tough torrent
Mfw throwing a chronos p3 by somehow managing to get hit by all three scythe from a single throw attack
alpine raft
I almost forgot what its ability
something like when an enemy is hit by ocast spawn an arrow
lilac sigil
If I have the chance to do Romantic Spark on Mel Skull I would prefer Zeus/Blitz to be on attack, right? Over special
viral yew
Always
broken spoke
Wait people bother hitting special on mel skull?
Hitting enemy with special i mean
Although romantic spark on mel skull is equally weird anyway
frank siren
i *hate* mirrored thrasher
My beloved
grim current
Wait people bother hitting special on mel skull?
I mean, it helps to dash through the enemy to retrieve shells after the player's spent them.
broken spoke
You don't need to special thru enemy to retrive shell
grim current
You don't need to special thru enemy to retrive shell
No, but it's sure as hell a convenient way to retrieve them whilst dealing DMG. At any rate, every aspect wants to perform both attack & special if only to trigger Flourish's Curse.
proper cloak
ive reached and died to 50f chronos all three of my three attempts of 50f so far
it is by far the hardest thing in the run for me
any tips?
median anvil
it is by far the hardest thing in the run for me
rivals or base chronos
proper cloak
rivals
idk if its reasonable for me to do base chronos and 50 fear
due to time limit
viral yew
idk if its reasonable for me to do base chronos *and* 50 fear
Timer 3 50f is dooable
Pretty sure i did my first 50 with rivals 3 timer 3
proper cloak
No I have time 3
I'm worried about increasing hordes, pain, and scars
I'm doing time 3, forfeit, rivals 4, frenzy 2, the whole party
I usually time out in erebus but only barely, then lose 1-2 dd in oceanus and fields. Then chronos happens and I just get obliterated
opal pecan
You reckon it's easier to get your damage up to overcome Hordes 3 Grit 2, even with UW Forfeit and max Debt, than it is to avoid Pain-buffed attacks? (genuine question, idk anything about 50F and am curious)
viral yew
You reckon it's easier to get your damage up to overcome Hordes 3 Grit 2, even w...
I prefer it like that yeah, but at 50f it's more personal preference than what's 'optimal'
Like i'll put on pain grit and hordes before I put on forfiet and wards
This is my setup, sometimes i'll swap a few levels of grit and pain
flint widget
fumbled a potential sub 6 surface run to eye cuz i got little too aggressive 💔
also took sea star which in hindsight was a bad take
surreal hazel
Question, what's the most awkward Duo to get in the game and why is it Hostile Environment?
broken spoke
It is definitely one of few duo i need to deliberately chase to complete prophecy
Never see them accidentally
surreal hazel
Needs sword ring or meatgrinder from ares, and also no other cast placement boons. It's very fussy
median anvil
Question, what's the most awkward Duo to get in the game and why is it Hostile E...
glorious disaster because hostile environment is cheesable with one of the trials
surreal hazel
Yeah but not talking about just getting it once ever
Just getting it on a run generally
median anvil
yeah then hostile environment
I've had a natural glorious disaster pop once or twice in my 300ish hours
never had a natural hostile environment 😂
surreal hazel
I get it quite frequently
But I like prom flare, so....
Sword ring is greatly improved by being able to wipe the cast around a lot. Kinda wants gyser spout though
umbral horizon
Does Glorious works with Charon?
digital juniper
Does Glorious works with Charon?
unfortunately not
digital juniper
never had a natural hostile environment 😂
i’ve only had it pop up on charonk if i got meat grinder
and once with a funny circe winner’s circle run
tough torrent
Which one is hostile environment?
The cast follows you thing?
I had that one time. Seems pretty cool
surreal hazel
The cast follows you thing?
Omega cast follows you and does +100% damage
which is why it pops off hard with gyser spout and plays very nicely with Demeter's own Local climate
tough torrent
Yeah that was sick
surreal hazel
Hard to not be standing in your own cast when it's glued to your feet
It's just awkward in what it asks from Ares to get the boon to even appear, only two boons are acceptable pre-reqs
they're sensible choices, but you have to be quite deliberate
tough torrent
I think i got it when I was trying to assemble an AQ nutters build but I got everything except AQ
surreal hazel
You had meat grinder then
tough torrent
Cast build that is, sorry. Grinder + gale + prom flare
surreal hazel
yeah
tough torrent
I feel like something else but idr
surreal hazel
Sword ring is actually kinda nice with hostile environment. It only needs to inflict the slowdown from a cast for one tick on an enemy to spawn a sword, so it works best when you wipe it over a load of enemies (there's a cap of 6 swords though, sadly)
tough torrent
Super nova was big funny funny too
surreal hazel
yeah, super nova plays very nice with sword ring
also means you have Apollo in the mix, so cutting edge is on the table
tough torrent
Super nova is just kinda always good i feel like
There's never been a time for me where I've not wanted it
surreal hazel
and since you're using omega casts, you can get Cut Above to get more value out of it
surreal hazel
There's never been a time for me where I've not wanted it
It fights against winner's circle, sadly, but yeah, it's super strong
tough torrent
Does it not get the full growth with winner circle? Rip
surreal hazel
the growth rate is the same and then gets cut short, yeah
charon bypasses it with cleave cast, but why on earth are you taking winner's circle on charon?
tough torrent
Still worth it i think but that explains things
I wish there was an opposite winner circle to extend casr duration
It can be kind of hairy for charon and pan
surreal hazel
That would need a severe counterbalance because that would be soooo bad
tough torrent
Normal casts are automatically omega mayhaps
surreal hazel
Even so that'd slow them down so much, would be extremely faustian
Winner's circle is so much better than it appears to be, so the opposite would probably feel terrible
tough torrent
I mean like im not trying to make an S tier boon. Just a niche that you'd take sometimes™
surreal hazel
The thing about casts is that they do a LOT for a tiny animation from mel herself, balanced by how it's gated with that 3 second cooldown
WC severely tips that balance and suddenly your glowing coal or tidal ring is punching big holes everywhere every 1.5 seconds
(Also I need to underline Fourth Degree as a hilariously powerful boon for reasons the game doesn't really tell you)
tough torrent
Which one is that sorry names are hard
surreal hazel
yeah, that 300 also gets amplified by olympian damage modifiers (Rallying Cry and Extended Family)
tough torrent
I remember getting it once or twice and just being pretty funny
surreal hazel
and then, since the fireball is itself olympian damage, that gets those bonuses again
so if you have say, a nice +80% olympian bonus and nothing else, your little 100 damage glowing coal is now doing... uhhh
tough torrent
I dont think I've triggered Rallying Cry a single time ever
surreal hazel
720
tough torrent
8 is just so much
surreal hazel
With more realistic modifiers like origination, strength etc... you're easily tapping your cast button for 1000+
tough torrent
I feel like you'd have to take hecuba and win some 50/50s on the earth from seed pickups
surreal hazel
I feel like you'd have to take hecuba and win some 50/50s on the earth from seed...
Nope, resource gathering can only give you +1 element per run
tough torrent
surreal hazel
+1 of each, that is
tough torrent
So yeah seems really hard
Ig it ain't tall order at least
For that you like have to get the elemental whatsit boons from chaos or something
wild drift
Tall Order is at least 8 of any element not all
tough torrent
Well darn
I still only get that pretty rarely but thats more reasonable at least
shrewd nest
What would people say is the beat familiar? Is there one objectively better in almost every situation? Is there ones specifically great for certain aspects
keen bluff
What would people say is the beat familiar? Is there one objectively better in a...
Pretty sure speedrunning uses raki, and fear depends on weapon, but most consistent is gale I belive
Don't quote me on this tho
You could watch a speedrun/high fear run and see what they're using
shrewd nest
Im surprised, I feel like Gale is the worst from my experience
odd bolt
Im surprised, I feel like Gale is the worst from my experience
It's by far the best one in terms of safety
manic shuttle
I dont think I've triggered Rallying Cry a single time ever
same
tough torrent
Frinos is best for one reason.
Forg. 
shrewd nest
I've mostly been using Frinos because when ive tried Gale the resists get wasted early on random strays that would do 4 damage
vernal quiver
But its 3 block per region and built in evade
So over the course of a whole run gale will outdo frinos and toula on effective hp with ease
vernal quiver
Frinos does have a niche at least and its nergal
surreal hazel
Im surprised, I feel like Gale is the worst from my experience
Gale makes talking the white antler feel a whole lot less dangerous
tough torrent
i think antler would kill me in any boss besides non rivals hec/poly
vernal quiver
Its a lot safer than youd expect
tough torrent
Maybe once I clear the art knife trial I'll feel differently
surreal hazel
Won't take damage if everything's already dead!
frank siren
with antler, it really helps having any combination of snow queen, armor, nitro boost, gale.
rare flax
I’m seeing conflicting info about unlocking hidden aspects.
Some say I need have all aspects for given weapon previously unlocked
Others say I have to max out a non-Mel aspect. Which is it? (I have all 6 weapons unlocked)
tough torrent
Its both i think?
Like for hidden knife you need at least level 1 of pan and Artemis, and one of them at 5
rare flax
So unlock all previous aspects
AND
max out one of the non-Mel aspects?
That’s a lot of resources…
viral yew
That’s a lot of resources…
Not really
tough torrent
Higher fear testaments give more nightmare
Eventually 2, and 3 for the last couple
surreal hazel
do they?
flint widget
they do
surreal hazel
huh, been a while for me
surreal hazel
ahhh, that'd be why
flint widget
Yeah happened in 1.0
it was in early access too
rare flax
So to summarize. For each weapon:
all aspects unlocked, and one non-Mel aspect maxed?
viral yew
it was in early access too
Am I stupid
surreal hazel
and go through a bunch of other higher priority dialogue
digital juniper
it was in early access too
nah it was definitely with 1.0
flint widget
bro i had like 3 nightmare as rewards for completing testaments back in ea
tough torrent
It might just be the 16(?) and the 20 that give 3?
Or was it 18 and 20... idr what the testaments reqs are lol. I got the last one done on knives and just play at that fear now
tough torrent
Its like... every boss once at some point in the progression and typhon/chronos are always the last ones
I'm somehow done with every resource... except for adamantine
Of which I need like 30
But everything else im done with outside of kudos stuff
How did i get such a disparity 😭
surreal hazel
Take the birb to birblympus
tough torrent
opal pecan
This is maybe a dumb question but
In the errr angry spitty seahorse miniboss fight in Oceanus
What's the fastest way to tell where the miniboss has teleported when the fight starts, or otherwise is there a way to prevent it from teleporting?
Especially if you have Shadows on so that the spit might be coming from its clone instead
viral yew
What's the fastest way to tell where the miniboss has teleported when the fight ...
Only way to stop them is with freeze, and you can't predict the teleport
opal pecan
Only way to stop them is with freeze, and you can't predict the teleport
Urghhhhhh alr, thanks. I guess grandma stronk.
frank siren
What's the fastest way to tell where the miniboss has teleported when the fight ...
Pause button, but ive had a few curses show where it goes I just dont remember off the top of my head. Scorch?
opal pecan
Oooh, like a trail o' particles? Handy to know, I'll give it a try.
Pause button... 😅 TBH after seein that Mel coat run, and thinking about this fight, it's certainly one occasion where that feels semi justified just for the sheer annoyance level of chasing the guy around sdfghjkfhjgfghj
wild drift
My favorite miniboss to see in Oceanus is Tony Vermin
opal pecan
I don't even know how to fight Hellifish miniboss hitless on a melee weapon if I want to go fast, but I would definitely rather it too
median anvil
What's the fastest way to tell where the miniboss has teleported when the fight ...
listen with headphones
as soon as he goes down, you'll hear him growl in his destination
opal pecan
Oh I'm screwed then, my hearing is absolutely crap
wild drift
Oh yeah I heard that works with Hecate too
But I usually play with 1 earphone only lol
median anvil
Oh yeah I heard that works with Hecate too
only if she speaks after splitting, which she doesn't always do
opal pecan
(well, my hearing is good at picking up on "has there been noise?", but it's really bad at distinguishing between noises such as, y'know, "random background noise vs. important noise")
I'm on 600+ nights and still can't pick up the Origination sound cue
median anvil
(well, my hearing is good at picking up on "has there been noise?", but it's rea...
there's always the option of turning down the music in settings
median anvil
I'm on 600+ nights and still can't pick up the Origination sound cue
origination has a sound cue?
opal pecan
Apparently!
It's been mentioned here before, and a runner who did a showcase match recently mentioned it on stream as well, which is why it was on my mind
Er, showcase run, I should say
I believe someone described it in terms of a cheese grater. No, I don't know what that means.
median anvil
there's no need for it when you can just, see the symbol?...
opal pecan
Oh, I just mean in terms of "sound cues that are apparently obvious to some people"
digital juniper
me when i play with no sound
opal pecan
Or like, the "enemies spawning in" sound like you get in Tartarus rooms -- I can hear that sometimes, but also, some of those times I can't tell where to pursue the direction, even though I'm using headphones /shrug
viral yew
me when i play with no sound
Me asf
surreal hazel
Oh, I just mean in terms of "sound cues that are apparently obvious to some peop...
Did you know? Dazed enemies emit a distinctive sound effect
That has been today's useless information! Until next time! runs
digital juniper
Did you know? Dazed enemies emit a distinctive sound effect
like the enemy itself, or the appliance of daze?
tough torrent
My favorite miniboss to see in Oceanus is Tony Vermin
At the start I hated this one the most, but after playing enough I have to agree they're my favorite. They dont run/teleport off to Narnia like the other two oceanus mini boss
digital juniper
because one of them i know the sound of and it’s so funny
surreal hazel
like the enemy itself, or the appliance of daze?
The enemy
surreal hazel
Kind of this weird pitch shifting noise
The byoing of applying it is funny though
You can't hear the passive noise in most cases because of other noises
opal pecan
Lmao
wild drift
At the start I hated this one the most, but after playing enough I have to agree...
Yeah the only annoying things are the visual clutter and how fast it attacks but he feels easier to damage for some reason
opal pecan
At the start I hated this one the most, but after playing enough I have to agree...
They do run tho, and if you don't have enough damage it's a pain in the ass trying to find where it went amidst all the mines and steam and shadows
tough torrent
Yeah the only annoying things are the visual clutter and how fast it attacks but...
Because he actively runs at you
tough torrent
They do run tho, and if you don't have enough damage it's a pain in the ass tryi...
He runs, but usually does a 180 to try and attack you
opal pecan
Yeah, it's def better than the jerks in Fields who stroll away and hang out in a corner five million miles away
Those guys, it's on sight
tough torrent
If he won't do it, try running away. He seems to recognize you trying to get further away and tries to chase you down as well
In my experience at least. Could be coincidence
Like when one of those gaps is between me and the rat, they try desperately to get around to and reach me
surreal hazel
Can be hard to see the somersault telegraph. I usually imply it by his suddenly slow movement
opal pecan
Is somersault the aoe attack?
surreal hazel
Yeah
opal pecan
Oh yeah, I have never seen a telegraph lol, I just go by "he paused"
tough torrent
Does he get staggered? It feels like he does a bit but sometimes can attack through it
surreal hazel
He pauses dead before the rush attack
surreal hazel
Oh yeah, I have never seen a telegraph lol, I just go by "he paused"
He leaps in an arc, but it's lost in your own weapon effects, particularly in frenzy 2
tough torrent
Idk how to put it but he does just feel easier to damage yeah
surreal hazel
Does he get staggered? It feels like he does a bit but sometimes can attack thro...
You can slow him with casts and demeter curses definitely slow him down, but I don't think he experiences proper hitstun
He might have interrupts to evade when taking a lot of damage, but I'm not sure
wild drift
Well I also feel like I naturally play less careful vs Tony like Hellifish and Serpent I go cautious sometimes avoiding stuff but I just go and get in the face of the rat
So I damage him quicker
tough torrent
Rat punishes you more for being defensive so being aggressive feels easier sooner
final sedge
Rat punishes you more for being defensive so being aggressive feels easier soone...
i'm not even sure what is hitting me when I fight the rat... i just hope it's dead faster than it makes me dead
tough torrent
The rat is, usually.
He gets a bite or two in generally, unless you're really roasting him
final sedge
does he have armor, such that anti armor hammers good against rat?
tough torrent
Dont think so no
opal pecan
Mom, how come King Vermin gets hitstun immunity even though he doesn't wear armor? :(
unborn whale
what weapon including aspect takes the most skill to use?? im assuming its some kind of bow but idk
tough torrent
Bow is h1
opal pecan
surreal hazel
does he have armor, such that anti armor hammers good against rat?
Nothing with a big boss hp bar and a title has armour
final sedge
Nothing with a big boss hp bar and a title has armour
that one miniboss in the fields seems like it should have armor, but it's a big boss
surreal hazel
that one miniboss in the fields seems like it should have armor, but it's a big ...
The phantom? Yeah has hp only so its lifestealing makes sense
median anvil
also every biome has at least one miniboss without armor so you can't cheese them all with the melting hammers
opal pecan
If you're running Scorch+Blitz, is it still worth antlering? I did it for the #practice but like, if half your damage is uncrittable.... 🤔
vernal quiver
yeah why not
blitz crits are insane, and your regular hits will be critting so why not
keen bluff
whats fresh file speedrun wr?
grim current
I was about to ask if Blitz didn't crit.
opal pecan
It's only Scorch and Freezer Burn that can't crit/minicrit iirc
opal pecan
blitz crits are insane, and your regular hits will be critting so why not
The time that I did this For Teh Practice, I was in fact moderately scairt and I think I only saved like ten seconds off my usual (Lion's Fang) Chronos fight duration, but I guess for speedruns 10s ain't nothin
grim current
Minicrits being Grevious Blow, yes?
opal pecan
And Mutual Destruction
median anvil
It's only Scorch and Freezer Burn that can't crit/minicrit iirc
and triad
and pet damage
and steam
and a few other stuff
median anvil
What's Mutual Destruction again?
% chance to deal double damage based on how much hp you're missing
keen bluff
https://www.speedrun.com/hades2?h=fresh-file-first-run-post-release-patch-1&x=xk...
damn foolish ahead by over 20 seconds
opal pecan
and triad
and pet damage
and steam
and a few other stuff
Oh true, I never think about those haha
grim current
% chance to deal double damage based on how much hp you're missing
Ha, I remembered it before you could message to remind me.
opal pecan
Esp the pet damage, idek how much they actually do
Wait, Steam can't crit? Damn, figures they wanted to nerf Hestia as thoroughly as possible 😩
median anvil
Esp the pet damage, idek how much they actually do
gale does 400, toula does 99, frinos does 30, raki tickles the enemy
median anvil
Wait, Steam can't crit? Damn, figures they wanted to nerf Hestia as thoroughly a...
I'm half sure it can't yeah
opal pecan
gale does 400, toula does 99, frinos does 30, raki tickles the enemy
Hot damn, so when Gale landed that coup de grace on Rivals Cerb in that one 67F VOD, she was seriously packing heat
grim current
I wish Hestia's Rush provided resistance versus scalding steam.
opal pecan
Kinda scammy that it doesn't, if it doesn't
tall notch
whats the exact wording on it? im not ingame and i forget
tough torrent
Hot damn, so when Gale landed that coup de grace on Rivals Cerb in that one 67F ...
Gale loves absolutely erasing that one singular fish off the face of the underworld
grim current
whats the exact wording on it? im not ingame and i forget
Reduces DMG received from 
hazards to 1.
grim current
I wish Hestia's Rush instead provided +2s grace period from hazards.
Hell, even +1 second would be amazing.
tall notch
EA Hestia rush was actually such a cool idea even though it usually wasn't that amazing
grim current
What was it?
tough torrent
median anvil
What was it?
deletes projectiles
tall notch
it just ate projectiles when you were rushing and applied scorch to the enemy who spat them out
median anvil
basically her current legendary was her sprint boon
tall notch
basically her current legendary was her sprint boon
AND THEN EVEN FURTHER BACK PYRO TECHNIQUE WAS HER LEGENDARY
Hestia may be the most changed god throughout EA ngl
tough torrent
Pyro tech is like worthy of being legendary honestly
opal pecan
But with Scorch not even able to crit 😭
grim current
it just ate projectiles when you were rushing and applied scorch to the enemy wh...
Did you wish Hestia's Rush still had that property because it was overpowered or because such a design is too fun to be locked behind her Ring boon?
tall notch
Did you wish Hestia's Rush still had that property because it was overpowered or...
I think it was a bit of utility that was nice to have on a rush sometimes
though maybe it would have become an issue if it trivialised rivals, lots of which projectile spam
hestia rush got changed before or at the same time rivals got added, right? ea gamers I don't remember 😭
grim current
I wish the Rush provided increased grace period.
Would be nice to run in scalding steam/on fire without losing barriers.
rich belfry
Does anyone have like a Excel file or anything like a link for fun builds
I have 300h and its been long since last time I played just wanna try different builds and ideas
flint widget
check the pinned
digital juniper
though maybe it would have become an issue if it trivialised rivals, lots of whi...
sirens stocks would drop way down🔥🔥
charyb feature who??
fiery kraken
Does anyone have like a Excel file or anything like a link for fun builds
I h...
greater chaos above/below has always been interesting to me
rare grove
Does anyone have like a Excel file or anything like a link for fun builds
I h...
Run jpom and for the first four boons take the one at the top then dig yourself out of the hole you’re probably in
tough torrent
tough torrent
Hera special, Zooz attack is perhaps not exactly the exact configeration i wanted for Eos torches but hey, close enough
digital juniper
Hera special, Zooz attack is perhaps not exactly the exact configeration i wante...
that’s one of the best if not the best combination on eos though😭
tough torrent
it feels like it would have been better the other way around but eh idk
its doing well obv
digital juniper
hitch on special means basically hitching the entire room and then some
tough torrent
man i hate it when the game offers free room vs hammer
rare grove
man i hate it when the game offers free room vs hammer
may be worth noting the game will try VERY hard to get you two hammers; if you skip that hammer odds are good there will be one in the end shop, artificer tends to favor it if you haven’t used all your charges in second zone (only really relevant to surface but still)
tough torrent
me at 1 hammer halfway through mourning
wow
i got hammer room, echo, hammer room
rare grove
Told ya
tough torrent
lmao
psych wing + iron core
cool i guess
man wtf
Rivals cerb is so weird.
first handful of times i fought them, no issues at all got them ezpz no DDs lost
ever since then man i just can't
tough torrent
...does looming ignition override medea's 3 sec timer?
no but HOLY does it make it bigger
not me going down to 2 on moros trinket in a boss fight. nuh uh couldnt be me 🙃
opal pecan
2 on the countdown?
tough torrent
yeah
opal pecan
Gotta make it spicy 😆
tough torrent
What about morrigan but you have to use O cast the omega for triads (ie o attack/spec banned)
harm for the afflicted is just total dogwater right...?
umbral horizon
What about morrigan but you have to use O cast the omega for triads (ie o attack...
That's awesome and creative
opal pecan
harm for the afflicted is just total dogwater right...? <:CatThonk:9224064561820...
Yes
tough torrent
do the automatic Omega attacls from Momos benefit from Mirrored Thrasher?
umbral horizon
do the automatic Omega attacls from Momos benefit from Mirrored Thrasher?
Yes
tough torrent
gaming
odd bolt
What about morrigan but you have to use O cast the omega for triads (ie o attack...
ok
ill do it
opal pecan
Record it for #content
tough torrent
Yes
...what about exceptional talent....
welp i got 2 dds and 3 minutes lets see if i can scrape by on rivals typhon
I got to nightbloom a boar tho
rare flax
The chronos attack where he sucks everything in then does instant damage, how do you stop that?
tough torrent
be on either side of him
thin gazelle
The chronos attack where he sucks everything in then does instant damage, how do...
Go in the little circle
Oh wait you’re not referring to that attack are you
Are you referring to the phase 2 instakills or just the quick slash
tough torrent
oh hmm
opal pecan
Is this Rivals?
viral yew
The instant kills
Stand in the highlighted circle
viral yew
Is this Rivals?
they're a new player
opal pecan
Ahh gotcha, got confused by the sucking everything in
rare flax
One other question about hex building,
Using the morph hex as an example
Is it RNG for the boost for inflicting damage to guardians shows up?
viral yew
One other question about hex building,
Using the morph hex as an example
Is it...
Yep, another reason why hexes arent great in general
tough torrent
I feel like I never see +500 vs guardians on my twilight curses
Which sucks cause its like
The best one by a lot
opal pecan
I mean, it does still have strong non-damage-related utility
rare flax
The shine hex is not worth an entire aspect all on its own
Morph helps with crowd control but it’s useless if you can’t use it on guardians
mystic mango
Selene aspect is like bottom 5 in the game
umbral horizon
welp i got 2 dds and 3 minutes lets see if i can scrape by on rivals typhon
It's 8 times oattack. Exceptional talent only add 1 phase.
mystic mango
Wolf howl is a good utility dodge, phase shift slows timer down and helps with dodging, night bloom lets you cover extra ground and distract enemies, twilight curse is great crowd control and makes dealing with some slippery enemies way easier
There’s some hexes worth taking but it’s definitely not very worth building a ton into unless you get unlucky and find a bunch of paths of stars
Especially since the stuff that might make paths of stars worth it might not even show up
vernal quiver
Phase shift doesnt slow timer actually
If it did it'd highkey be insane on mana weapons
mystic mango
Phase shift doesnt slow timer actually
At least when I look at this this looks slower on timer
vernal quiver
Ur placeboing urself hard
Its the exact same, phase shift just does the eternity effect and that also doesnt slow timer
mystic mango
My game timer was 5 seconds shorter than my recording timer
My game timer was 1:08 and the exact same part on recording was 1:13
vernal quiver
Its not slowing it down though
If you just look at the thing and count the seconds
I know for a fact it doesnt otherwise every high fear player ever would take it and timer would never be an issue and selene would be top picks
Its a 33 second clip and timer uses abt ~31 of those, the last 2 is the armor break, kill animation, and i think using a hex itself slows it down for like a quarter of a second but thats every hex
You start at 7:20 and end at ~6:51, so yeah abt 30 seconds went by anyway and phase shift was active for like 8 of those
You're placeboing yourself real bad, I did too tbf but phase shift doesnt do anything unique to timer
opal pecan
Oh, does the armor break slowdown effect slow down IGT?
I wondered a bit about that sometimes
vernal quiver
Any like everything slowdown does iirc
And by everything melinoe has to be slowed too so hex uses, armor break, dds, etc
But phae shift isnt one of those so :P
mystic mango
So im putting the video into a video editing software and physically checking a 1 second time frame during and not during phase shift
If I’m wrong I’m wrong but I’m gonna confirm if I’m wrong
vernal quiver
Make sure you do it somewhere in the middle of the phase shift
mystic mango
Yep doing that
umbral horizon
Selene aspect is like bottom 5 in the game
I think Sky Fall is quite good with a lot of investments. It's like Zeus's Aid in H1
mystic mango
Those investments could be way better spent on boons though
vernal quiver
That and the star chart is inconsistent, and ares is already stinky on coat so using it just for the godsent is kinda buns
Sky fall itself also hits super inconsistently iirc
mystic mango
So I watched back the footage in exact 2 second intervals and found about .15-.2 seconds was lost every 2 seconds during phase shift
Meanwhile when not during phase shift it would be exactly the same time passage
umbral horizon
Only take 1 Ares's boon, it's not neccessary core boon to unlock Godsent.
mystic mango
Occasionally it would lose maybe .04 not during phase shift just due to the frames not lining up but would catch back up on the next interval
I can upload the video of my editing software and me scrolling through the clip onto youtube and post a link here
umbral horizon
Sky Fall does pretty good damage and leave you free
viral yew
Morph helps with crowd control but it’s useless if you can’t use it on guardians
The whole point of that hex is the cc, I've never needed it to work on bosses
mystic mango
Okay so @vernal quiver I'm picking apart every 2 second interval that did and didn't lose time and I'm finding some that do and some that don't lose time during phase shift. The only thing I could maybe point to for the time lossses outside of phase shift is certain attacks or effects happening. No armor breaks, DD, or hex uses
I'm also looking at a different section than what's in the trim I uploaded but I'll look at that too
But I'm finding its potentially things like heph blasts, or when typhon slams his hand a few frames are lost off the counter when phase shift isn't active
But when phase shift is active I'm always losing several frames on the timer
Anywhere from .2-.3 seconds per 2 second interval
But the timer also occasionally doesn't slow down possibly due to things like boss transitions. It's apparently a lot more nuanced than I first thought
opal pecan
Sky Fall does pretty good damage and leave you free
Honestly I don't mind Not Investing At All (beyond maybe activating Growth so that manaless playstyle can still use it lmao)
It's the "immediate damage" hex that interrupts your normal gameplay the least amount
And that puts it at pretty okay in my books
mystic mango
So I think my assessment that phase shift was slowing down the timer might actually be showing that there's a lot of other things that cause the timer to slow down
If not Phase Shift
opal pecan
And by everything melinoe has to be slowed too so hex uses, armor break, dds, et...
This seems like a pretty long list ^
Anything where the entire game does the "dramatic slow-mo moment" effect
mystic mango
The time from the start of the clip to the end is 1:13 seconds and the IGT is just under 1:09 so I'm trying to find everything that might have caused a slowdown
umbral horizon
It's the "immediate damage" hex that interrupts your normal gameplay the least a...
Yes that's meh, coat is not good on omega
opal pecan
Yes that's meh, coat is not good on omega
? where did I say anything about omega
mystic mango
So I'm actually finding that hex activation barely even slows down the timer, if at all
opal pecan
Some hexes have a more noticeable thing
mystic mango
The times when the hex is activated not even .1 seconds is lost on the timer if at all
opal pecan
IDR how much Phase Shift does, but
mystic mango
Yeah for godsent
But normal hex is basically unnoticeable
However there's a larger timer loss when resisting damage
There's a very small timer loss for I think eternity arcana
I think a timer loss for heph blasts or when typhon slams his hand during the minions phase
Actually, no timer loss for eternity
Yeah I think it's heph blasts cause about a 0.15 second time gain
This is weird
opal pecan
For Heph blasts? That's wild. Hang on, when you say timer loss, do you mean that the IGT slows down or do you mean that it doesn't slow down, causing your final run time to be inflated?
mystic mango
The IGT slows down
Meaning you gain time over real time
I'm watching frame by frame during a heph blast and the timer that usually is counting in 0.04 intervals swaps to other intervals during the blast I think
viral yew
If it did actually gain time runners would use it
opal pecan
Heph blasts new speedrun meta
mystic mango
So it wouldn't be a recording misalignment since my recording is 30fps
It could just be a rounding error though
But I'm genuinely trying to see if certain things are causing certain 2 second intervals to gain time
Dodges from boons I think cause an incredibly small timer freeze like resisting but not as much
Honestly this could all just be that the IGT is inconsistent
And sometimes slows down arbitratily
I think I'd need somebody to validate it separately but really could just be that the timer stinks and is only sometimes running in real time and slows down randomly.
But I'm consistently seeing that every interval with a heph blast the IGT falls behind real time
And intervals while it's recharging and I don't get hit the timer lines up perfectly
But there's also some intervals like when he's recovering from being knocked down that there's some timer stop even though there isn't a heph blast and I can't tell what causes it
Okay I'm done if anybody else wants the recording to see if they find the same thing I can send it but I'm done trying to figure this out for now
opal pecan
Why does Nyx feel weirdly slower than Selene
Not like in a timer sense (although that too when I'm the one playing dfghjfj)
More like in a vibes and feelings sense
spiral wadi
Why does Nyx feel weirdly slower than Selene
u tripping balls or smth
opal pecan
u tripping balls or smth
Could be... could be....
surreal hazel
But beach ball is good on nyx
surreal hazel
Spoiler: They equipped volcanic flourish
Although weird factoid about Nyx nightspawn. that 75% damage multiplier only affects the base power of the spawned rockets/punches. It's not a final multiplier on the damage
meaning that slowcooker plays real nice since that takes affect after that multiplier has taken effect, as do all other power modifiers as far as I can tell
(why hello there, ripper rockets)
spark crown
meaning that slowcooker plays *real* nice since that takes affect after that mul...
Oooooooo
surreal hazel
basically you can think of nightspawn rockets having a power of 19 and nightspawn punches having a power of 30
rich belfry
Run jpom and for the first four boons take the one at the top then dig yourself ...
Just went in the game and decided to pick randomly and hit it
Got the most insane build
Gambling is the key
umbral horizon
meaning that slowcooker plays *real* nice since that takes affect after that mul...
How about volatile array?
surreal hazel
errr, good question, probably the same!
umbral horizon
surreal hazel
looks like it's just a base damage multiplier too
prisma gust
Is ||Blood Triad|| actually that good? I always just use Apollo attack and a bunch of power upgrades on ||Morrigan||
silent crow
Is ||Blood Triad|| actually that good? I always just use Apollo attack and a bun...
triad is good yes
prisma gust
triad is good yes
Damn I've been using the aspect wrong (that may be why 40 fear with it was so hard for me)
silent crow
you can ignore it if u have final slice hammer
tall notch
I don't like triading just because it requires using the atrocious Morrigan special
prisma gust
you can ignore it if u have final slice hammer
Oh I did have Final Slice
surreal hazel
It's good on bosses, don't bend over backwards to do it on most fodder enemies
tough torrent
I don't like triading just because it requires using the atrocious Morrigan spec...
Simply throw point blank and you're gucci
slate trench
special -> dash into attack, hold for omega attack for easy triads
but morrigan special is a bit underwhelming, would be awesome if had an explosive return hammer like the shield in h1
honest steppe
i remember haelian talking about this one trick where you can manipulate ephyra to get boons of a certain olympian more often but i never found out how. does anyone know how to do it?
turbid karma
i remember haelian talking about this one trick where you can manipulate ephyra ...
are you talking about the whole deal where gods who are already on a door are less likely to show up?
so if you can spread out a few gods you don’t want on doors, don’t reroll them and just try to reroll another door to the god you want
honest steppe
are you talking about the whole deal where gods who are already on a door are le...
wait let me find the video where he mentioned it but never explained it
oh links arent allowed
turbid karma
i am fairly confident that is what he was talking about though
honest steppe
check your dms
turbid karma
yeah I am still correct! woohoo
that is what he is talking about - he talks about it more in another video (maybe his rewards video? but i think it was a surface run so likely not)
wild drift
Epic Sweet Surrender over Carnal Pleasure the right choice? Medea
wild drift
Later I got the choice between Fourth Degree (I have Glowing Coal) and Grievous Blow and took the former, which was probably the wrong choice
odd bolt
Heroic super nova based
Bridal glow my beloved
tough torrent
Im guessing you mainly just used triad in bosses
But maybe circle made it fine for mobbing
nocturne ether
How do i get the auto attack flames?
surreal hazel
same as any hidden aspect
Max out the Eos or Moros aspect, and keep talking to Moros
nocturne ether
Max out the Eos or Moros aspect, and keep talking to Moros
oh so bunch of yap
surreal hazel
always yep
wild drift
Max out the Eos or Moros aspect, and keep talking to Moros
(and unlock the Moros or Eos aspect)
opal pecan
Although weird factoid about Nyx nightspawn. that 75% damage multiplier only aff...
Weird, interesting
nocturne ether
(and unlock the Moros or Eos aspect)
i have every aspect other then the hidden ones
surreal hazel
Weird, interesting
Does make the rank VI a little underwhelming (105% damage sounds silly until you realise this fact)
12 more power on spawn punches, 7.5(?) more power on spawn rockets, woo
opal pecan
I'm so mad that I got Premium Service on a Nyx run yesterday
I fished for that legendary for yonks and yonks with rerolls and everything, and that damn thing has the sheer audacity to turn up when I'm doing a run that needs other stuff and doesn't benefit from PS
surreal hazel
what do you think that legendary is good for?
surreal hazel
That's about it no?
viral yew
Morrigan
wild drift
Medea gets it to 135%
viral yew
Nergal
wild drift
Nergal brings it down to 4 strikes
opal pecan
Mel blades tbh
viral yew
opal pecan
Mel staff/axe maybe overkills it but like, why not
opal pecan
Aw butts
surreal hazel
take your +10 special power and lump it
opal pecan
I could even add Mel skulls into the list (but not Mel coat; I think Mel coat is perfect the way it is sdfghjkfhgjkf)
surreal hazel
yeah, there's a few that's quite funny, but a lot of them are just zzzzzz given it's a legendary boon
Supay offers a whole extra 15% rush damage!
sub 5 minute 67F runs here we come!
it really is whacky how all over the place the boon is because aspects scale very differently on their numeric bonuses
opal pecan
And some of them apparently get hardcoded to scale differently, period....
surreal hazel
I've got the script here, they're all set values for each rank, there's no linear function defined
they could write anything for any level
opal pecan
Dmab
surreal hazel
Although lol, imagine using a rank 1 monus
enjoy your ENTIRE 4 SECONDS BETWEEN PULSES
opal pecan
IDK better than rank 1 Nergal
surreal hazel
Nergal can still bonk
opal pecan
Give up all ranged options in exchange for bonk
surreal hazel
Hidden aspects are defined mostly by their different moveset
opal pecan
Luthien mentioned it
Yeah Shiva's a bit odd in that innit, it needs some ranks but then it stops mattering so much
surreal hazel
rank 1 still has two ranks
opal pecan
What do you reckon is the minimum level for each aspect to be comfortably/conveniently playable
surreal hazel
and it has builds that scarcely use omega attack
surreal hazel
What do you reckon is the minimum level for each aspect to be comfortably/conven...
Dunno, Shiva's unique in that sometimes the rank is irrelevant
I mean I guess circe doesn't mind a lot, the leash damage is nice early on though
opal pecan
and it has builds that scarcely use omega attack
😏 yeah it's called when I play Shiva and forget to use the omega attack and keep canceling my own attacks by trying to special at the same time and then dash attack ends up on the damage board
surreal hazel
supay with blinding rush ignores its own rank
final slice morrigan builds basically do too
does pan really need those extra blades? ehhhh
diminishing returns there
Pan wouldn't become completely busted even if the extra blades was unbounded
opal pecan
Poor ole Pan
surreal hazel
only so many blades you can channel before your cast disappears and most of them fire backwards
opal pecan
God I hate things where you have to spend -- oooooooh maybe that's why I felt like Nyx was slow
Cos of feeling obliged to channel the sprint at encounter starts
surreal hazel
I've found that a very nice thing to channel though
opal pecan
It's not bad, as far as channels go
surreal hazel
you're the exact opposite of being rooted to the spot like a dummy
opal pecan
Exactly
And you can even do stuff during the channel if you get a damaging rush boon
Hera for preference, though she's been playing shy at me
surreal hazel
and it's still all tagged as Omega (channelling, damage, releasing)
so there's some odd synergy with cut above, ocean swell and fine line
opal pecan
Yeah, I've noticed that, though find the Ocean Swell a little annoying as it pushes dudes away
Incidentally, since you are a code knowing person
surreal hazel
(Be nice if weed killer and controlled burn weren't so fussy)
opal pecan
Do you know if there is some hidden thing about Selene that makes it charge hex even if you don't have Growth or Moon on?
I could swear when I was doing Selene runs, sometimes in early Erebus (no upgrades yet) I would randomly see that thang charge up even though there was no flippin way I had manually used that much omega
opal pecan
Yep
surreal hazel
No Moon arcana?
spiral wadi
I could swear when I was doing Selene runs, sometimes in early Erebus (no upgrad...
erebus warding circles insta-charge hexes
opal pecan
No Moon arcana?
Nup
surreal hazel
erebus warding circles insta-charge hexes
oh yeah, that
opal pecan
erebus warding circles insta-charge hexes
OH I had no idea!
Bro wtf it's been so long and I learn this for the first time
I bet the game told me and I forgot
spiral wadi
yea it's a mechanic the game never mentions lol
surreal hazel
I think it does, but who reads tooltips?
spiral wadi
pretty sure literally the incantation for it just says "add warding circles that uhh helps"
opal pecan
Listen, I love to read a tooltip
surreal hazel
it needs to stay in memory too
opal pecan
Exactly
surreal hazel
Just outed yourself as someone who resets on a moondrop in room 1
opal pecan
LMFAO
opal pecan
Listen..... I don't reset if I'm playing Selene
And if my jpom blessing was decent I'll usually at least check the hex on other aspects
surreal hazel
Listen..... I don't reset if I'm playing Selene
You're already in for a masochistic run, so I guess you roll with it
opal pecan
SELENE IS FINE 😭
spiral wadi
hmm yes the game that has omegas as its flagship mechanic hates when omegas are used, and now it forces me to play into hexes which requires omega usage
opal pecan
For ages and ages it's always been duking it out with Mel coat as my fastest or second fastest aspect
surreal hazel
coughing baby versus...
surreal hazel
stick beats mechsuit, this is classic grecian canon, come on now
opal pecan
hmm yes the game that has omegas as its flagship mechanic hates when omegas are ...
But you don't have to play into the hex even, it's just a little guaranteed slot
IDK, I know I'm a weirdo, but I kinda like knowing that I've already got that on board and Selene-the-character can't be offering me no damn Moon Water
spiral wadi
ig, it's still annoying cuz no forfeit pop and rarely gets on same level as hammer lol
opal pecan
Yeah, I totally get it for high Fear stuff haha
surreal hazel
hexes are just too end loaded
spiral wadi
ye given how the game treats omegas as an optional archetype it should also be true with hexes
surreal hazel
The moooooon acana tho
spiral wadi
ya moon arcana is nutty at least
opal pecan
Speaking of MW though, I picked it up in a recent Nyx run because the other options were like, Dark Side and something else that would never get charged (see???? see what not playing Selene does???) , and... does MW just not get Growth?
spiral wadi
is that auto charge
surreal hazel
it gets panacea
opal pecan
Yeah, Growth is auto charge
AKA the only upgrade I'm usually gunning for on hexes haha
tall notch
Listen..... I don't reset if I'm playing Selene
I reset and pick a different aspect chamber 1 when I play Selene
opal pecan
I reset and pick a different aspect chamber 1 when I play Selene
i bite u
flint widget
holy yaoi conversation
opal pecan
wtf
keen bluff
yall talking about biting each other 💀
sounds fun
opal pecan
- Is that what yaoi is about???
- No, I am the biter, because Coldshade has bad opinions
I will bite as many havers of objectionable opinions as necessary in the name of the moon
vernal quiver
yall talking about biting each other 💀
freaky ass builds and combat
flint widget
opal pecan
Anyway: I thought gods were supposed to prioritize offering an attack or special if you didn't have an attack or special yet
I didn't, and this mf just offered me Gain, Rush, and a non-core
?????? did I get misinformation'd?
austere trail
Anyway: I thought gods were supposed to prioritize offering an attack or special...
I think they do because of how prerequisites work
vernal quiver
Anyway: I thought gods were supposed to prioritize offering an attack or special...
uhh iirc your first boon is always attack/special then 2 other cores, and after you pick that all thats prioritized is at least one core option on subsequent boons
opal pecan
uhh iirc your *first* boon is always attack/special then 2 other cores, and afte...
Oof
Misinformation it was then
vernal quiver
i cant tell you how many times ive taken zeus wanting cast or attack and i get gain, dash, and power surge
or the rare i took demeter dash and all zeus offers me is the dash change when he could give me literally anything else more useful
opal pecan
Gods offering you sacs when you have unfilled cores and didn't specifically take Sac Hymn should be thrown into a cosmic oubliette
opal pecan
That aint even the worst of it, at least that could be okay on some aspects
More like trying to replace your Zeus/Hestia cast with Ares cast or some nonsense
.....on Gale Circe
tough torrent
What is the Good™ familiar for Circe anyhow. Gale seems to hang by you closely so it doesn't spread it that well
Maybe good for zooz cast
But seems eh for others
flint widget
raki
opal pecan
The breakdown I have heard is that Gale is used for if you want to stack casts, Raki for spreading cast across enemies most reliably, Toula or Hecuba for leash (and some degree of spread cast)
With the only nope being poor ole Frinos
tough torrent
Forg 
opal pecan
flint widget
good for cast stacking and psychic also
im talking about raki btw
tough torrent
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/264610344083783680/834486603035836448/b...
Frinos looking through the barrier rune as Mel leaves
cyan frost
What’s a good god to build towards? Personally my two favorites are either Poseidon or Aphrodite
opal pecan
For what aspect?
cyan frost
For what aspect?
If you mean weapon I use the axe, with the thanatos aspect
opal pecan
If you mean weapon I use the axe, with the thanatos aspect
Yep, because what god to build toward depends on what weapon aspect you're using and in some cases on how you want to play that aspect
I believe people often recommend Apollo or Hera for Than
grim current
Feels like Thanatos doesn't care which boons it gets. Fates' Whim or Champions?
flint widget
fates whim
rare flax
Without spoiling too much:
which hidden aspect should I target first?
My most used weapons are blades, sisters, and coat
Curious which hidden aspect is the best surprise
tough torrent
Champions?
median anvil
Without spoiling too much:
which hidden aspect should I target first?
My most ...
blades hidden is very strong
opal pecan
Champions?
I believe Blu is referring to one of the arcana card that gives rerolls
tough torrent
Ah
Right yeah
I wish you could get the +4 reroll corner card without needing the card to reroll doors
I almost never reroll doors
But the additional rerolls are kind of necessary sometimes because of the ascending cost
surreal hazel
I wish you could get the +4 reroll corner card without needing the card to rerol...
reroll doors
tough torrent
surreal hazel
it's a better use of rerolls
tough torrent
Me when it flops between pom and Selene over and over
I dont really get the strength of door rolling. Is it just because the cost doesnt increase?
surreal hazel
more boons
skipping unwanted poms and tonics
rerolling minibossesinto the right god
tough torrent
Dont tonics always swap to other minor finds
tough torrent
Oh
rare flax
Rerolling doors can get you from minor to major?
opal pecan
No
Soul Tonics (max magick) are a major find, not a minor
Minor = ashes, bones, nectar
rare flax
Gotcha
opal pecan
<@&456908176877551658> ^
indigo walrus
begone, bot 
tough torrent
<@&456908176877551658> anotha one
prisma gust
What just happened?
I was just coming here for Supay tips
Specifically moderately high fear Supay tips (35-45 range)
median anvil
Specifically moderately high fear Supay tips (35-45 range)
what do you need help with
I'm something of souper myself
median anvil
Just simple tips
don't take the onion vow in that fear range
don't focus too hard on getting a rush boon, it's not the main strength if the aspect
scorch, blitz, hitch and splashes are your best friends
low acorn
I like using persephone, but dont use the omega moves much, is there a good build I can try to get more use out of her omega moves? I also dont understand how her special gets extended.
median anvil
I like using persephone, but dont use the omega moves much, is there a good buil...
for every 1 olympian damage you deal it extends by 0.001 seconds, up to 2 seconds at 2000 olympian damage
tough torrent
Olympian damage is most damage numbers that are not white
prisma gust
don't take the onion vow in that fear range
don't focus too hard on getting a r...
I'll probably play it that way then
I might use Winner's Circle and some Omega Cast stuff
tough torrent
channel speed helps a lot
since like all you're really doing with supay is making sure all your omegas are always up
maaaaaaaan. launcher frame vs ripper rockets sheesh
opal pecan
Reliability, bro 🫡
tough torrent
if you sell a boon it is still removed from the offer pool right
opal pecan
Are you talking Denial or just normal stuff
Actually I don't think that makes a difference
tough torrent
purging pool
opal pecan
There is at least one boon that is hard coded not to be reoffered (Bridal Glow)
But all or most of the other boons can be reoffered after you purge
(or trade to Nem or sacrifice or whatever)
tough torrent
oh neat, thats not what i expected the answer to be
opal pecan
Wait til you hear about the behavior of Spiritual Affirmation vs Uncanny Fortitude
tough torrent
man this run would be sweet if i'd been offered at any point an attack that was the same curse as my special
I am scylla. Been offered ice strike 3 times.
already have flourish tho
opal pecan
That wasn't the same curse y'mean?
grim current
Oh, fecund. I forgot I had Moon Water & equipped Worry Free.
6325 DMG from a fully-charged Shiva's 
attack.
I don't remember if it had 1 or 2 exclamation marks for Ares' minicrit + regular crit, but I have Weed Killer, blue Hera's Strike, & Chakra Collider.
tough torrent
ah yes
the instant hestia attack in to final slice on morrigan
whoops i guess
...into offered puprle aphro attack 
kept hestia. glad i did seems to do really well anyhow
grim current
Ha. Despite the two boons I've invested into attack, Casts were still, by far, the greatest source of DMG.
tough torrent
asking for a friend, if i'm heading in to olympus with 0/3 DDs should i still equip gorgon amulet or will athena just appear anyhow casue its olympus
keen bluff
asking for a friend, if i'm heading in to olympus with 0/3 DDs should i still eq...
There's a chance she will, but equipping amulet makes it certain and earlier
Whether it's worth it over other options? Idk
grim current
asking for a friend, if i'm heading in to olympus with 0/3 DDs should i still eq...
It's a choice between hoping to randomly stumble onto her m, saving the Gorgon Amulet for region 4, or get her boon now
Hopefully your friend gets Renewed Faith.
tough torrent
til that if you kill prometheus while a satyr is still alive the fight doesnt end 💀
1 dd 400 hp and 20% fang maybe i'll see baby phase typhon again
nope
grim current
Huh. The Chronos battle standards don't engage Poseidon's Rush's cooldown.
opal pecan
I believe the battle standards, like the pylons in Ephyra, don't count as enemies per se
grim current
Yes. It's very annoying when most Curses/mechanics in general don't apply to it.
surreal hazel
but you can proc splashes and heph blasts on them
dense shadow
HAHAHAH
i knew there waas a zag battle but i died laughing when he used death defiance
did not know thatlmaooo
broken spoke
That was a "ofc he does that" moment
dense shadow
That was a "ofc he does that" moment
MY REACTION EXACTLY
I WAD LIKE
OF COURSE HE DOES THA
also i saw the cast and i was like
wait a min am i trippin
silver flax
Seeing it made me borrow a vocal stim from a friend and go "YOU'RE ACTUALLY INSECURE, WHAT"
dense shadow
Seeing it made me borrow a vocal stim from a friend and go "YOU'RE ACTUALLY INSE...
huh?
for me my ahh RAN OVER TO THE CAST TO PICK IT UP
cause i played a lot of hades 1
silver flax
LMAO fair
silver flax
huh?
said friend plays a lot of competitive games and custom games so it gets tossed around a lot as a joke lol
dense shadow
also lmao mel not reading the ts and cs was effin hilariousn LMAo
silver flax
People read those? /hj
flint widget
ok time for a new grind: the sub 4:40 uw grind
broken spoke
Damn that sounds hard
flint widget
also i just rewatched my sub 6 surface vod
i got olympus and summit fig scammed wtf
tough torrent
Just make it up by starting fig and getting cherished so it refreshes and lasts all game
flint widget
nah
digital juniper
~~Just make it up by starting fig and getting cherished so it refreshes and last...
doesn’t work sadly
tough torrent
Tragic
rare flax
The Circe staff, what cast effects do you all like for it? Part of me is curious about hitch and the damage almost being doubled. Also what familiar works best with this? Gale?
surreal hazel
The Circe staff, what cast effects do you all like for it? Part of me is curious...
So there's some interactions you might need to be aware of here
Firstly. if an enemy is in an overlapping Tidal or Blade ring, sorry, no double damage
surreal hazel
The two Engagement rings calculate how many enemies are in each one independently, they don't care what they other sees
surreal hazel
What if they're offset like when you have fireball cast
That fixes the issue with tidal ring
surreal hazel
I don't think it even works then
tough torrent
surreal hazel
When an enemy gets a blade ring sword spawned on them, they also basically get a hidden status effect saying "You are now immune to more swords from this same cast" and that appears to count both casts as the same
tough torrent
The two Engagement rings calculate how many enemies are in each one independentl...
But they're all hitched though no?
surreal hazel
But they're all hitched though no?
Oh sure, that bit works quite nicely
Oddly they did code a fix for this same problem happening to Smolder Ring
so overlapping casts do double up
tough torrent
That reminds me
For highly combustable... does first time literally mean only the first time, or does it mean any time they dont have scorch stacks
surreal hazel
the first time only
tough torrent
Wow
surreal hazel
so if you think it's terrible for bosses, yes, correct
tough torrent
I was thinking primarily about the demeter duo that instantly folds your scorch in to their face
surreal hazel
oh, excellent choice then
you can even do it backwards reasonably well in that instance
freeze first then scorch, that is
tough torrent
Oh any scorch for the entire duration of the freeze also gets made instant?
surreal hazel
re-burning them doesn't matter if they're already dead
tough torrent
Huh
surreal hazel
Oh any scorch for the entire duration of the freeze also gets made instant?
Technically yes, but let me explain
tough torrent
surreal hazel
Basically, any time an enemy has both scorch stacks and full freeze, freezerburn will proc. BUT
Whenever freezerburn procs, it also applies a 2 second hidden effect which immunises that enemy from gaining any scorch stacks
tough torrent
surreal hazel
so freezing an enemy first and then doing multihitting flame attacks is an extremely poor use of it
tough torrent
So if you only have scorch and freeze, the duo screws up origin
surreal hazel
Freeze also defaults to 2 seconds
tough torrent
Man why do all the hestia duos mess up origination lol
surreal hazel
but cold storage extends that 2 seconds without changing that scorch lockout period, so you can get another freezerburn on the same freeze (And resets the lockout)
tough torrent
by all i mean this one and steam
surreal hazel
So if you only have scorch and freeze, the duo screws up origin
I forget if it removes scorch before or after the damage tick
also you can have origination if the enemy has scorch and Thaw in effect
surreal hazel
or just scorch and gust, since the gust curse doesn't really interact with anything outside of origination
but yes, you really want a third curse for this setup
surreal hazel
it's a shame there's literally only one tier 2 for gusts
manic shuttle
What's that, tropical cyclone?
surreal hazel
What's that, tropical cyclone?
Yeah
Tier 2 in the sense of "This boon needs another boon to work at all"
if you were to make a "skill tree" of say blade drops. You'd have Sword ring, Stabbing rush and cut above at the bottom and then Cutting Edge and Coffin Nail as tier 2s for all of those
it gets a bit fuzzy because a lot of boons have offering requirements which aren't exactly the same as hard requirements
Like, hestia's legendary has three prereqs, but if you cheat that boon in during room 1, it would still work completely fine
This knowledge is basically only relevant if you're using BoonBoonBoon or removing boons, but sometimes it really helps
silver valve
What’s good on shiva special I hate the attack
surreal hazel
Dealer's choice honestly
silver valve
I see
silver flax
Yeah it really ends up a your choice thing. I personally like going with Apollo's to make the pogo ball gigantic
wild drift
Man I love the concept of Morrigan but its movement pisses me off so much lol
Blade Omega Attack in general I hate
Next time I use it (if there is even a next time) I'm rolling for Winner's Circle lmao
tough torrent
Morrigan o attack is based
After the lunge, it also strike two other enemies... I think anywhere in the room? Or anywhere on screen maybe
So its pretty good aoe built it
I dont really like any of the other knives tho
wild drift
I just wish it aimed at cursor instead of having to lock on to an enemy
tough torrent
Trying to charge an o attack with an enemy dancing at the edge of your range is oof
So you gotta decide whether to slow walk over or charge it again
odd bolt
@limber vapor
this is my arcana https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==
you can switch strength with death, you can remove sorceress for something else if youre not using an omega heavy aspect, and you can remove lovers for wayward son + huntress
but if you wanna use fates whim (which i would say makes it easier)
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==
for fear
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDEsMCwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=
you can switch frenzy 2 for frenzy 1 and add fangs, you can also remove rivals 3 for fangs. you can also put wards/return2/fangs/scars1 in exchange for other stuff anyway the main point is dont add hordes, pain, grit and void
then its just a matter of picking your weapon of choice and going for it
the pinned message on this channel has build guides for every weapon
wild drift
<@267840035229925386>
this is my arcana https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDe...
2nd link and 3rd link are the same by accident
odd bolt
2nd link and 3rd link are the same by accident
oops
wild drift
For Fate's Whim I find Mel Staff and Medea Skull the most flexible
odd bolt
I’m not familiar with fates whim but I should have it unlocked
Have you finished the main story?
limber vapor
Have all but 2 weapon aspects and zags trinket
odd bolt
Those are the fates whim keepsakes
odd bolt
Have all but 2 weapon aspects and zags trinket
Right, zags keepsake is the least useful anyway
odd bolt
Start hades keepsake, then chronos, then knucklebones/hammer, then lion fang or pin
The thing is those keepsakes only work if you are on fates whim
Which means 0 rerolls and not using Olympian keepsakes
So you need to play full rng, but it's still possible to do a good build
Specially for 32 fear and on surface where ephyra gets you a lot for boons
limber vapor
You’re like King Arthur
odd bolt
And the benefits are huge, assuming those keepsakes are max level
Hades keepsake makes all your boons Lvl4 for the entire game even when you take it out and also give you a staring hades boon
Chronos keepsake is free money, purge poms/mana pots/selene or boons you don't want and it's gg
limber vapor
I have them all max level
odd bolt
What weapon is your favorite?
limber vapor
Mel
limber vapor
It shreds for speed running on low fear
odd bolt
Get 2 curses going and you're done
You said you were struggling for time, just avoid side rooms in ephyra and pause the game if you need to think (it stops timer)
Also get free rooms if you can, Medea, Circe, Dio, midshops
Time should be a non-issue
silver flax
maxing out time is pretty free, especially if you're not cranking Rivals to max
tough torrent
But if I don't do side room in ephyra how do artifice my minor finds 
surreal hazel
But if I don't do side room in ephyra how do artifice my minor finds <:SmogSob:9...
You might get three by the end of olympus, or you know, you could spend 3 grasp elsewhere...
silver flax
I don't believe it counts as a minor find, no