h2-builds-and-combat

[flint widget]

meanwhile skull has hel

[vernal quiver]

staff has supay ._. and mel

[flint widget]

bro supay is goated and i will die on that hill

[vernal quiver]

67 it then twin

[flint widget]

who said i will i haven't even beaten 67f at all

[flint widget]

and hel is worse than mel torches imo

[opal pecan]

Mel torches is FINE

[flint widget]

if axe wasn't so ass with wards id like it a lot more tbh

[flint widget]

yeah

[opal pecan]

Okay, I suppose you could argue that everything is "fine" but ig what I mean is that it's fine and also not especially awkward to use at base level

[keen bluff]

are there any weapons that rely on hamemr like ||spear needing flurry jab|| in h1

[opal pecan]

At low Fear, no.

At higher difficulties or for speedruns (aka not just casual runs), some of the axes desperately want Psychic Whirlwind, some of the daggers desperately want Trick Knives, etc.

[opaque dew]

Do you need a run that has on hit effects to be effective

I landed on a seed that only had demeter, aries, apollo, and hestie

[opal pecan]

? Hestia is onhit

Also, what aspect and what kind of run

[opaque dew]

kind of im basically asking for something like mel staff am i cooked if i dont have a flat damage source on attack

[opal pecan]

No you're fine

[opaque dew]

it seems to be working fine lol so far, 32f

[vernal quiver]

mel staff doesnt care

[opal pecan]

Mel staff is pretty flexible

[vernal quiver]

best case you get blitz atk hera special

but scorch on attack is fine, i avoid poseidon like the plague on staff since he feels bad imo, but like everything works fine

[opal pecan]

You're only cooked with no flat damage source if your aspect has really low base power on its moves

koffHel

[vernal quiver]

yeah hel, knives kinda, coat wants on hits pretty bad

[opal pecan]

Coat base attack has roughly the same base power as a skull!

[vernal quiver]

but mel staff is plenty fine with just about anything

[opal pecan]

I might argue it's not that you're cooked without on-hits on coat, it's just that you're not getting the full potential out of it without on-hits imo

[opaque dew]

so basically as long as you're not playing skull or coat you're fine without on hits?

[opal pecan]

You're fine as long as you aint playing Hel imo

Like, is it a goddamn waste of potential if you are playing Nyx and don't have onhits? Yeah. Are you cooked? Nah.

[opaque dew]

ok i'd argue persephone skull also needs it

but i get your point

[vernal quiver]

nah high fear persephone skull plays like worse mel skull

which is a % monster with the power bonus

[opal pecan]

Seph is fine without, yeah

[odd bolt]

pan trick knives

[opaque dew]

wait am i playing persephone wrong?

[opal pecan]

I mean, how are you playing Persephone?

[opaque dew]

or is this just some like 62f can't afford to charge up special type thing

[odd bolt]

Yeah

[opaque dew]

kinda just on hit effects and damage casts , charge special with hitch or high% modifier to run around

[odd bolt]

I think you can play ospecial focused with the right hammers

[opal pecan]

It's still doable without the onhits, just less convenient

Like when I bring up Hel I mean that it feels like actual hell with two Ls when you don't have anything that adds flat damage to your hits

the two Ls stand for feeling like a double loser

[odd bolt]

Just do a surface run, find Dio, pick reckless abandon and be lucky

It's simple

[opal pecan]

That counts as adding flat damage to your hits

[odd bolt]

More like overwriting

But I get it

[opal pecan]

because ur hits are so weaksauce that on average it's a plus

I was gonna say idt anything else is quite at that level but I guess you could maybe make an argument for Anubis?

I feel like you can rely on %ed Anubis omega special more than you can rely on %ed Hel omega special though

[opaque dew]

just got wicked thrasher and dual moonshot in region 3 I am SAVED

[opal pecan]

Everybody is hype for Mirrored Thrasher but I gotta say Wicked Thrasher is also pretty frickin busted, as hammers go

[opaque dew]

and i have the wounds crit chance boon as well as the hermes boon that increases the chance for effects to happen

[vernal quiver]

go antler r4 trust

get the double crits twin

[opaque dew]

my antler is at level 1 oop

damn 233 k off specials lol

[opal pecan]

Time to level it up ;P

[opaque dew]

i def can't be running raki or antler

i just die

[odd bolt]

I get antler (kinda) but why not raki?

[opal pecan]

Gale opportunity cost prob

They said they were doing 32F iirc

[odd bolt]

Ah fair

[opal pecan]

Or uh, Toula opportunity cost, I guess, but Gale is clearly the superior safety familiar ;P

[opaque dew]

yea i run gale

im an ok player i'd like to think now but i really dont dodge as well as i should for the final bosses

im mostly just dps checking them so they die before i die lol

but i take a decent number of hits

[grim current]

Jesus fecund Christ. It was region 3 when I finally equipped the boons to trigger Origination, & the difference is massive.

[vernal quiver]

yeah global 50% damage bonus will do that

[grim current]

Someone help me equip Everlasting Ember instead of Vivid Sea every time there's a weapon with high enough fire rare for it.

I wish Quick Buck & Travel Deal were easier to get.

[turbid karma]

simply equip JPom instead

[grim current]

I wouldn't have such a problem if I finally forego Excellence for Boatman.

But I too fiercely covet __>__rare boons!

[frail lark]

JPom, and Fates Whim runs in general, are fun to use if you don't have a mindset of what gods you want

[turbid karma]

Conversely, I have a really strong mindset of what gods I want, but I can reset a run if it’s the end of erebus or oceanus and I haven’t seen my preferred god for an attack or special, and that’s only 5-15 minutes gone, and I’ll have had fun while I did it!

Lvl. 4 boons are phenomenal, and the hades boon from the start is usually pretty great too

[narrow steeple]

So i started a new save to see how the game feels now that i know how to play. In my original save.. which was my entire process of learning.. i killed Chronos on night 83 and Typhon on 121. My new save: Chronos on 24 and Typhon on 30

[echo cove]

Nice

[turbid karma]

<@&456908176877551658> seems like a scam post

[indigo walrus]

hm

[crystal meteor]

I got my Nova Flourish to level 10

My run is gonna be insanely OP

[summer bluff]

I desperately need assistance to to beat a surface run i keep getting my ass kicked by Prometheus and typhon and his goons

[viral yew]

What arcana/aspect are you using

[summer bluff]

The closet I’ve gotten was with Thanatos axe and pan daggers

[viral yew]

Pan is gonna be a struggle so I'd recommend pan, are you using fear at all

[summer bluff]

No

Ive just been bull rushing snd hoping it works

[viral yew]

How are you building than axe, and are you using origination and furies

[summer bluff]

I may havent gotten far enough to know what those are

I’ve been using ares for attack and just mainly focusing on that

I might’ve been able to beat him before the reworked Circe staff

[viral yew]

Circe is really really strong now

[viral yew]

The arcana

[summer bluff]

Oh

[viral yew]

Ares attack is pretty bad for than, hera or apollo would be best

[summer bluff]

I’ll look into my card’s because to be honest Ive never looked back once the game fully released

If ares attack isnt good for than axe that what weapons are?

[viral yew]

Ares is considered to be the weakest Olympian, the only build he is the best option for is speedruns with medea

[broken spoke]

Ares attack is just bad sadly, it is usually for enable his other thing like duo or grevious

[summer bluff]

Man really ? that is unfortunate I felt like I was doing allot of damage with him with than axe

Oh well

[broken spoke]

If you put ares on axe special, then it is decent because you only use it occasionally to reset combo so the cooldown isn't that bad

[frank siren]

Haha we go through this every other day on the discord... someone has to be the worst god and its ares

[grim current]

Hum. Seems really difficult to use Aphrodite's Rush.

[broken spoke]

It is decent on weapon where dash strike is your main plan

But useless otherwise

[grim current]

The splash radius is awfully small, but I knew I'll never guage how effective it is at applying Weak.

[broken spoke]

Not very effective

Only last 1s

[grim current]

Well, at least it applies a Curse until Zeus & Hestia's Rush.

[opaque dew]

Bruh i really will play anything but mel staff and struggle to clear 32f

With mel staff ill build whatever and use no death defiances by the end of the run

[opal pecan]

Run Mel coat /taps nose

[opal pecan]

Lmao Aphro dash made it onto the board in my last run because of exactly that circumstance #h2-victory-boasting message

[lone quartz]

hey guys how do i play skull

as of now the only plan i can reasonable make is use medea and spam right click

[turbid karma]

do rivals cerb's ring explosion attacks (the ones that cover most of the floor) truly always have a first explosion and then a second explosion? They seem to explode simultaneously often for me

[vernal quiver]

Mel skull is a press attack until all shells are gone the special to return and repeat, persephone can be played in the same way or you can do Olympian on hit and Ospecial stuff, medea is mashing attack and special(dont load more than one shell at a time) and hel is autofire with tap special for hitch/blitz

[vernal quiver]

Should just be one hitbox unless im crazy

Iframing them is really consistent

[turbid karma]

you mean one single attack of all the rings as one hitbox? got it

[vernal quiver]

Like each ring is its own hitbox

[turbid karma]

ah, I see

and when you say iframing them, you just mean dashing while they erupt to benefit from invulnerability?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

When they're about to go off the shade of yellow changes as an indicator

[turbid karma]

ah, rad, thanks!

just lost 2 DDs and my life to a really rough cerb fight, and that was a lot of my damage, so looking to avoid that for next time 😅

[vernal quiver]

Don't be afraid to back off entirely or stand in lava for a bit to avoid them is another tip

[turbid karma]

ah yeah, I do when I can, but sometimes it feels like they're everywhere

I'm sure they're not, but I just can't get to the free spots in time always

[vernal quiver]

Yeah when that happens you just gotta learn the iframe, or find a gap where one goes off before another that makes a safe spot which takes some getting used to for that amount of awareness

[turbid karma]

gotcha, yeah, I'll keep at it!

[lone quartz]

bet

[rich folio]

I've never done a Heph blast build, what's a good aspect to try it out with

[lone quartz]

idrk but i would suppose thanathos axe or skull

[rich folio]

Skull maybe yeah, I'd think something fast?

[lone quartz]

i also thought that but daggers dont have that much range so ig skull would be best

[vernal quiver]

Any, heph blasts if built into are weapon agnostic

Doesn't matter how its applied just as long as you get it to the limit(2sec normally 1.5 with seismic servo)

[rich folio]

so rarity and pom heavy dependant

[vernal quiver]

Yuh

Iirc an epic lvl4 attack is like 4 seconds

So it takes a lot to start being useful even with jpom

[summer bluff]

Ok i looked through my arcana and here i was using furies but not origination

[vernal quiver]

Why not 🥀

Its the biggest and most free damage boost in the game

[viral yew]

Use origination

[summer bluff]

i didnt know how often curses popped up

[vernal quiver]

Literally every god has one and most have it built into their base things

[opal pecan]

The only ones who don't have any core boons with built-in curses are.... Heph I wanna say?

[vernal quiver]

Blitz, hitch, wounds, dazed, freeze, scorch, weak

[opaque dew]

Pretty often, most boons have a curse on one of their primary damaging ability

[vernal quiver]

Froth and glow are the only 2 step ones

[opal pecan]

And you can get Froth from Pos cast

Which isn't atk/special but it's still core

[vernal quiver]

Its harder not to get 2 curses tbh

When its a minimum 4 god pool you should 99.9% of the time have origination active before you leave the first region

[opaque dew]

I will say its annoying how poseidon doesnt have froth built in

[opal pecan]

CAST

[vernal quiver]

It'd make him a bit too strong imo

[opaque dew]

I dont even think froth itself is that strong i could be wrong

[vernal quiver]

Since froth has a chanxe to prock on every damage instance iirc, so like a pos attack has the actual attack itself and his splash can trigger it

[opal pecan]

It's not

[opaque dew]

His cast isnt something i really go for usually i just pick it up for origination

[vernal quiver]

Having froth built into his attack and special at base would make him a bit overtuned at the start

[opal pecan]

That's totally fair, I just mean like. Poseidon isn't the only one without a curse on attack/special

[opaque dew]

Oh so theres no cooldown to reapply froth??

[opal pecan]

Apollo and Aphrodite also you gotta pick up the non-atk/spc cores to get their curse

[summer bluff]

alright i changed things up what are some wepons/ gods i should focus on

[vernal quiver]

Depends what you use most

[summer bluff]

axe

thanatos specifically

[vernal quiver]

Which one

Kk blitz and hitch

[opaque dew]

Wait so… still kinda caught up pn that

[broken spoke]

This answer is basically cheating lmao

[opaque dew]

If i have a cast that has froth and then it also has gust attached to it

It can proc 50 on every tick?

[summer bluff]

i also use melinoe staff sometimes, i was wondering if i should use circe because im not used to the re work

[broken spoke]

25% chance

[vernal quiver]

Circe is great ive used it a lot

[opaque dew]

Whats so hard about pressing o

[opal pecan]

Froth with Success Rate /taps nose

[vernal quiver]

You just take raki/gale and press cast, get zeus/hestia cast with hitch and you win

[summer bluff]

just never used it since full release cuz pre release it was just unga bunga

[opaque dew]

Does having froth proc remove the curse tho

[opal pecan]

No

[opaque dew]

OH

[summer bluff]

is raki the owl?

[opaque dew]

Ok maybe its notcas bad as i thought

[vernal quiver]

Crow(?) But yes

[opaque dew]

Crow but yes

[opal pecan]

Raven

[vernal quiver]

Bird

[opaque dew]

Raven**

[broken spoke]

Drone

[opaque dew]

Parrot

[summer bluff]

i couldve sworn it was an owl

[sick lodge]

penguin

[opal pecan]

Definitely not, owls are Athena's territory

[summer bluff]

bit weird the the wind themed name goes to the squireel and not the bird

[opal pecan]

Gale is 1) a polecat, not a squirrel, and 2) if you listen to the pronunciation, it's Ga-li, named after an actual mythological figure iirc

[summer bluff]

ah i see on other notes when are we getting a plushie of frinos

[opal pecan]

According to Wikipedia "Gale" was Greek for some kind of mustelid (polecats are a type of mustelid, like otters and weasels)

Already did

People even posted photos of theirs

[summer bluff]

youtooz?

[opal pecan]

I don't think so, but it should be findable via their website

[summer bluff]

holy crap its on fangamer

which means its not limited time lfg

[zealous crag]

Does anyone know if fast, low damage strikes ever benefit more from hot pot + big percentage boon than on-hit effects like splash and scorch?

[viral yew]

Depends on the situation

[zealous crag]

I've never done the math, but it seems like hot pot would end up about as good as a solid splash or scorch build, except needing more boons to come online. At best, it seems like hot pot works in tandem with on-hit effects and percentage damage boosts outside the core boons. Things like origination, furies, huntress, chaos, etc.

[surreal hazel]

Hot pot? Don't you mean slow cooker?

[broken spoke]

Yea isn't hot pot the dodge boon

[surreal hazel]

It is

But assuming you mean slow cooker, basically it works fine because you'll only have scorch and splash on one boon of two. So the other is still open for big +%

Like say, trick knives with flame strike and sworn flourish would love slow cooker and reaper blades

[zealous crag]

Woops, I mean slow cooker.

[surreal hazel]

Thought you did

[zealous crag]

Also, does anyone know the base damage of hel attack?

I can't seem to find it anywhere and can't get to my game right now.

[surreal hazel]

Iirc it's 20

[magic cobalt]

Bro I just hit the ultimate night bloom lol

Hera godsent, rigor, servitude, retaliation, and I had zues and Apollo in my pool

[surreal hazel]

oooof, yeah, that's a monster right there

the sort of thing you want swimming in the magma around Unrivalled Cerberus

[north nimbus]

how can I trigger "hand of hephaestus" for selene, and which boons do I take? apparently since I started playing in the very first beta test i never got it lmao

[digital juniper]

you just need to have any heph boon, and take the wolf howl hex (gotta luck into it), and then you can upgrade into it in the path of stars

hand of hephaestus is wolf howl’s godsent upgrade

[surreal hazel]

It wasn't in Early Access until very late on

[north nimbus]

now that make sense, wolf how wasn't something i liked picking but now i managed to get it, thanks a lot! and I wasn't picking selene a lot due to me forgetting to use her hex or just not wanting to hear the constant ring for the reminder of the button lol

[surreal hazel]

A lot of the hexes have been retuned a lot since early EA

they're a lot more viable, and less buggy

still shunned at 60+ fear but eh

[odd bolt]

Question about nervous wreck, can it apply scorch? If so, how much does it apply?

[digital juniper]

yes and 100

[odd bolt]

And can it apply wounds?

[surreal hazel]

30 stacks

OR whatever Flame Strike or Flame Flourish does, if you have those (But not smolder ring)

[surreal hazel]

Nope

nor can it apply Marked, Gust or Hangover

(And this is only really relevant if you're doing fresh-file speedruns, but it also can't apply curses from gods you've never ever met)

[surreal hazel]

Did you have flame strike when you saw that?

[odd bolt]

Interesting

[surreal hazel]

If you have a blitz boon, it will use that value, otherwise blitz is set to 100 damage. Every other curse is set to what a level 1 common version of it does unless you have a support boon for it, in which case it applies that effect instead

[digital juniper]

huh, i coulda swore it did and had a base value of 100 scorch. i’ll take your word for it

[surreal hazel]

got the script right here, sadly only 30, or the best of your flame strike/flourish

[opal pecan]

That's super weird that it can't apply Wounds and Gust

Oh, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, no, it does make sense that it can't apply Wounds, since the "Wounds" condition is essentially its cooldown

But I still dg why not Gust

Is it able to apply other secondary stuff, like Steam?

[surreal hazel]

Nope

that's not even a curse iirc

[opal pecan]

Oh is it not

Oh u right it doesn't have the little "Curse:" prefix

Hot diggity, I have been laboring under a delusion this whole time. It just didn't come up often enough for me to be disabused of the notion til now 😆

Man, I want to play the game, but I have aNOTHER meeting after lunch and my brain will be totally screwed up if I play H2 over lunch lmao

[fiery kraken]

any favorite openings for rivals scylla? I've been experimenting with the following on circe+toula:
dash at bottom left tentacle, hit and hold cast for omega, dash (iframe) the initial tentacle attack and get behind the tentacle. If done properly, the laser lines up with the tentacle for a few attacks and scylla's initial charge ends up in the omega of sleeping toula

[flint widget]

attack roxy and when water jets come i dip

[fiery kraken]

unfortunately, the next scylla attack spews a lot of stuff out at a range where it's hard to avoid (have to iframe out) and roxy's aoe comes down

[flint widget]

always gets roxy out of the game especially if it's an auto damaging aspect like circe or anubis

if i get charybdis two tentacles out bonus points

[fiery kraken]

are you going beyind roxy ?

[flint widget]

in front

[tall notch]

I like starting with one of the two tentacles next to Charybdis

[fiery kraken]

I've been zoned out in front too quickly by the tentacles, and if I go behind the jets mean the end of my lovers barriers

[flint widget]

at least front doesn't get u stun locked by water jets

[fiery kraken]

I can try it some more

[flint widget]

plus charybdis tentacle attacks ngl ez to dodge, projectiles attacks tho different story

[fiery kraken]

checkmate - I've enjoyed your youtube videos. seeing you take incidental damage and still clear 62 is what made me think "hmm this may be doable" (I still haven't done it, but making progress!)

other youtubers are all like near damageless

are you iframing the tentacles spin or dancing in and out?

[stray pivot]

Morrigan with heph blasts its so hilarious

[flint widget]

i dont iframe

[tall notch]

personally I like baiting it and staying out of range when they do it, with the amount of projectiles in that fight I don't wanna spend my dash on the tentacle whirl

[flint widget]

what shade that is lukewarm said yeah

[fiery kraken]

yeah that's my general strategy, though the early fight is a mess for me

once i get the two cary tentacles down, I can focus on jetty and scylla in that cleared out space, then rotate around and get the other tentacles and roxy

but the early fight as jetty/scylla move into the tentacle space while the projectiles are coming and roxy is zoning... touch and go

[tall notch]

if you're feeling fancy, you can kite Scylla and Jetty into the steam tanks, they actually hit like a truck

[flint widget]

too inconsistent to setup tbh but massive dmg

[fiery kraken]

early fight? or do you kite them after dealing with the 2 cary tentacles?

[tall notch]

when the tentacle next to the steam tanks is still alive since you can oneshot it

with the trap

usually I just kill the tentacle to be fair, trying to kite Scylla and Jetty in there is indeed inconsistent

but fun

[flint widget]

also thanks my runs are not perfect but as long as they have antler in final region im not complaining tbh

[fiery kraken]

I'm still a coward and haven't tried antler in final region

[opal pecan]

What, ever?

[flint widget]

if (mostly) everything dies in one or two hits u are not dying

[fiery kraken]

I tried it once when I had trusty shield and 3 dds

[flint widget]

plus dds exist and barriers

[tall notch]

you should see me play axe, I tank like all the hits 🔥

[fiery kraken]

but i take a lot of damage in the chronos fight

[flint widget]

as well as gale

[flint widget]

my charon clear had me take 601 damage to chronos 🔥 🔥 🔥

[fiery kraken]

I never have gale at an end boss

[opal pecan]

Charon

[flint widget]

not uploading vod for that clear im embarrassed by that

[opal pecan]

You still have the dodge% though

[tall notch]

you are making my 529 damage to Chronos with Than sound reasoanble

[opal pecan]

I once Gale dodge%ed a Chronos instakill iirc

[fiery kraken]

I'll try it, maybe when I'm not trying for 62 with circe

[flint widget]

tbh if i played than i would've taken less damage cuz at least with than ur moving a lot instead of charon where u have to be still a lot

[fiery kraken]

I've found toula and raki my favorite so far, too hard to get gale to hit something with the beam

[flint widget]

and chronos is like counter to charon tbh

[tall notch]

true, but on the other hand, Than deals no damage so you have lots of chances to get hit

[flint widget]

maybe im just cheeks at the aspect

surely psychic whirlwind hera attack with (snow queen and) weed killer all in erebus right

[flint widget]

you're forgetting antler exists

[tall notch]

3x0 is still 0 🔥

also how'd I take 500 damage if I only had 30 hp? 🙁

[flint widget]

also yeah don't expect any clears this week (maybe next week too) just got ass grades and ass personal stuff so i gotta lock in or else im cooked

[fiery kraken]

I think I tweaked my thumb practicing chronos

[spiral wadi]

weeeed killer.

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/jkVie8a

This is such a hard decision

I'm not far off from 8 Earth elements but the Duo is an instant benefit

[fiery kraken]

do you have vow of denial on?

[uncut hull]

If I have just 1 boon from a god and I do a "swap" to remove it, would that god still be considered 1 of my 4?

[scarlet ferry]

No.

[fiery kraken]

I"ve found with denial on it's quite difficult to get to 8

you're in fields?

[scarlet ferry]

I have

Rivals4
Timer3
Shadows
Menace2
Hubris2
Debt1
Frenzy2

[scarlet ferry]

Final shop of Oceanus.

[night lagoon]

I'd go Cry

[scarlet ferry]

And I have Ares, Hera, and Heph in my pool, so 3 earth isnt hard

[night lagoon]

While it's not active yet, you have a clang

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah I'll go cry

Already super strong rn so I dont need the duo for scylla

[fiery kraken]

does cry work with hera attack?

[night lagoon]

And getting 50% on that clang will do a ton more than +25 for the blade

[night lagoon]

It doesn't

[opal pecan]

Does it not work with hitch damage?

I would have thought it counted as damage from an Olympian effect

Or, uh, scrolling up to doublecheck the wording, a damaging effect from an Olympian

[night lagoon]

Hitch damage probably works, but the raw hit won't

[surreal hazel]

Hitch damage isn't boosted by anything except hereditary bane

[scarlet ferry]

I think the only hitch damage it would increase is the initial damage from her sprint

[night lagoon]

Also the cast, but that implies you ever take her Cast

[surreal hazel]

Coffin nail does a lot for cut above since there's a cap of three swords at once

[night lagoon]

(If Engagement Ring has no haters, I am dead)

[scarlet ferry]

I've taken it for Morrigan before

[opal pecan]

Seriously? Rude and uncalled for :\ SGG why 😔

[surreal hazel]

To stop double dipping

[night lagoon]

(It's a phenomenal name, but it's such a bad Cast)

[surreal hazel]

Just deal more damage and hitch does more too

[spiral wadi]

tbf hereditary is stupid broken when pommed

[scarlet ferry]

this

[opal pecan]

True, it's funny when it goes over 100%

[alpine raft]

nope doesnt work

[surreal hazel]

Also engagement ring is super slept on

hitch happens first, then damage, so it's this weird polynomial damage amp

[spiral wadi]

ye, had a funny run where i was focusing exclusively on prom and heracles dipped from hereditary

[scarlet ferry]

I take it when I want hitch but also want other stuff on attack, special, and dash lol

[night lagoon]

If it applied its damage when it applies hitch and not just on drop, I think it'd be great

[opal pecan]

Why would you not want hitch on your sprint

[odd bolt]

That makes sense but idk I still don't like it

[surreal hazel]

"Sorry flame thief, also we're married now? Huh."

[opal pecan]

im bein facetious is ok

[scarlet ferry]

If my build would rather a different sprint. Like Apollo or Poseidon

[odd bolt]

By far my least picked cast boon I think

[alpine raft]

i like it more than anvil or sword

[surreal hazel]

Mostly because you only need one hitch boon and it's the most awkard one for spreading hitch

[opal pecan]

Anvil is honestly very decent

[odd bolt]

I love sword ring

[opal pecan]

If you don't have orig ofc that's another story but

[odd bolt]

It's good? No it's really bad

[opal pecan]

Anvil????? who's calling anvil really bad

[odd bolt]

But I love meme falling sword builds

[opal pecan]

Oh okay nvm lol

[odd bolt]

No but I do think anvil is really bad

[surreal hazel]

Blade ring is good and I'm tired of pretending it's not

[odd bolt]

Sword ring at least can be made decent

[opal pecan]

You, me, Adamant Rail, Eos

[odd bolt]

Anvil ring is just bad

[night lagoon]

Yeah, also the lowest damage version if enemies are walking into it rather than on it when it dropped

[surreal hazel]

You're one duo away from casually dropping 1000 damage on one button

[opal pecan]

You can't even double stack sword ring

[odd bolt]

No need to

I get it it's not good for Circe tho

[night lagoon]

If only Anvil Ring also did blasts

[odd bolt]

If anvil ring was considered a heph blast

[opal pecan]

I get it would probably be slightly busted if it was a blast, but I wish it was

[odd bolt]

Yeah exactly lol

[opal pecan]

^on account of the faster attack rate

[night lagoon]

If the third hit did a blast when it was off cooldown, that'd be neat

[opal pecan]

Ooooh, third hit (or first hit or whatever, once per cast) would be an interestin compromise

[digital juniper]

furnace blast grand caldera on that mmm

[odd bolt]

On that note I wish ares also had a T2 boon "your falling blade effects also apply wounds" or something

[surreal hazel]

Chain reaction, Grand Caldera, rude awakening and cryo pounder would make it stupid

[digital juniper]

throw on WC too

[surreal hazel]

there used to be a cast blast boon

but it was wonky as hell

[night lagoon]

Yeah, but it was on the Omega and a Duo

Side note, did Charon proc Seismic Hammer back when that was a thing?

[surreal hazel]

if the omega cast damaged something, then seismic hammer procced, centered on the first enemy it did damage to

and you might be thinking "first enemy? Doesn't it damage all enemies at the same time? Wouldn't that just be essentially random?"
Correct! Yes it would

[alpine raft]

amazing

[night lagoon]

Umazing!

[surreal hazel]

500 base damage, recharged in 6 seconds, it was nuts on paper

but it just basically never hit anything, because it needed anvil ring or gyser spout as a prereq, so whatever the omega cast hit was already very dead

[digital juniper]

sounds like a boss nuke though

[surreal hazel]

All it was good for, even then it was wonky because hitting bosses with omega casts is tricky since there was no winner's circle

but the bugs! Oh the bugs

[scarlet ferry]

Omg guys

[surreal hazel]

the tick damage from arctic ring also procced it for some reason

[scarlet ferry]

I have Phantom Brand + Banshee Brand + Rare Success Rate

[digital juniper]

that’s…funny

[scarlet ferry]

and I'm on track to get Heph legendary

[fiery kraken]

wait, why is anvil ring bad?

I've liked it in my circe builds

[eternal shadow]

final slice or wicked onslaught? i have zues's attack boon and aphrodites special with trick knives.

[digital juniper]

it’s not, we’re talking about the old poseidon heph duo

[night lagoon]

Short version is that it doesn't have any Tier 2s or Duos that boost it, and also provides no utility

[scarlet ferry]

It's just that 9/10 times you'd rather a cast that has a curse. Either for the status effect itself or for Origination.

And even as pure damage boons go, Zeus' is typically better

[digital juniper]

it’s still not bad, it’s a solid boon^

[scarlet ferry]

It also has 0 synergy with any of his other boons

[surreal hazel]

Winner's Circle is the one exception

[night lagoon]

I think Wicked Onslaught is slightly better? You have Trick Knives, so you have zero reason to be using the Attack combo anymore

[surreal hazel]

You also take Anvil ring if you want Heph on rotation and to unlock a few support duos but want to keep his offerings slimmed down to his armour boons

[scarlet ferry]

Just mogged rivals Cerberus

[opal pecan]

Anvil is also better than Zeus for roomclear aint it, single target is a hassle sometimes

Forge unc doesn't get hung up on, like, fish swarms or whatever

[scarlet ferry]

NOOOOOOO

I didnt get offered a single Heph boon in Tartarus so I couldnt get his legendary 😭

Wouldve had the perfect Morrigan build

[fiery kraken]

did you get the 8 rock? and did it feel strong?

I guess my like (not love) of anvil ring is largely based on how it helps me climb through the first two regions, but I can see how the damage falls off later on since it doesn't have much support and doesn't help origination

[scarlet ferry]

yeah I got it

[scarlet ferry]

It would be cool if it did increased armor damage. Would give it some utility

Or if killing an enemy with it granted you some armor

[fiery kraken]

probably too strong

[scarlet ferry]

Maybe have a maximum limit per encounter

It's just weird that it has 0 synergy with any of his other boons

I cant think of another boon that doesnt have synergy

(Not saying there aren't any others)

[copper stag]

What’s the attack pattern for Persephone? Unload all shells and then omega special?

Or just omega special all the time?

[fiery kraken]

I've basically played it like a weaker mel skull with occasional highroll on boons

unload shells, special to the side to pick them up, repeat

if I have a window and a fully charged special, I do that

[copper stag]

Copy

I’ll try it out

[grim current]

Huh. You're right. I suppose the same can be said for Ares' Ring boon, but then there's the Hephaestus/Ares duo boon. Even Zeus' Ring boon has Double Strike.

[opal pecan]

The Winner's Circle interaction is unique to Anvil Ring fwiw

[grim current]

Personally, Hephaestus' Ring boon is good enough. It synergizes with Winner's Circle, a favorite of mine, but I'd rather have a Ring boon that applies a Curse.

[grim current]

Demeter, Aphrodite, & Zeus' Ring boons dissonate with Winner's Circle.

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/ZOjaxTF 💀

[scarlet ferry]

exactly

[grim current]

So too Super Nova (increase Cast's radius over time).

[scarlet ferry]

Well he has other boons related to casts so it has synergy

[grim current]

At any rate, Origination is either easy to trigger or takes an effort.

[copper stag]

Very early opinion and I’ve only used it once but Persephone sucks, it feels so slow

[grim current]

Huh. How come Demeter's Ring boon's damage period is hastened with Winner's Circle?

[copper stag]

I’m having a hard time reading your statement lol

[alpine raft]

think hes saying winner circle buffs arctic ring

but no way

[opaque dew]

Strength users, do you guys just ignore divinity?

I know it can be activated if you just activate all of the middle column

But what about alternate arcana pages?

[opal pecan]

If you swap out Artificer (which would be the most likely swap-out), you can just replace it with Eternity to activate top row

[stray heron]

what would you have instead of the middle column

[opaque dew]

The only other two arcana ive really considered is eternity and night? (i think those are the names)

Omega move crit chance on alternating moves and omega move slowdown

[opaque dew]

Oh wait that works

[opal pecan]

But honestly I don't usually have much call to change it up

[narrow steeple]

thast 2 runs in a row where i was like.. 1 molecule in a CHronos OHK...

i was robbed

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1463315520152535243/wtfhitbox.mp4 cursed hitbox

[alpine raft]

wtf

[vernal quiver]

This game is buns

[scarlet ferry]

Both my fates whim and non-fates while loadouts can use strength with divinity still active

Rerolls: https://hades.teheidoma.space/#6415457

Fates Whim: https://hades.teheidoma.space/#4416743

Both are interchangeable with Death

[viral yew]

What is this site and why not crossroads

[scarlet ferry]

I like this site for Arcana better because you can see the name of a card just by clicking on it. It also turns the 0 cost ones on automatically if their requirments are met

[fiery kraken]

oh much nicer

[grim current]

Boy, is it fun to kill swarmer enemies with Hera's Rush. Hell, it was then I discovered it even has a damage & application period.

[opaque dew]

what do morrigan blades prefer on attack? Im assuming blitz or explosions are fine as well as attack modifiers

just not as good with like poseidon/hestia?

[vernal quiver]

The attack hits 3 times actually scorch works good!

[opal pecan]

Scorchigan 🔥 🔥 🔥

[vernal quiver]

Generally though morrigan is super flexible

High fear you lean towards final slice Apollo tho icl, but if youre doing triad focus anything works

[fiery kraken]

attack hits 3 times? but not on the same target right?

or are we talking final slice?

[opal pecan]

? No, one of the attacks in the normal attack sequence on Morrigan hits multiple times, that's all.

[viral yew]

The attack is multi hit

[scarlet ferry]

I have trick knives with epic Support Fire from Artemis

[opal pecan]

Unfortunately (as I have been told) Support Fire has some kind of ridiculously punishing cap on how many SF arrows can exist at once

Though I guess TK on its own oughtn't hit it

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/QO3Jf6B
Incase I die to Chronos, I'm showing this now

[viral yew]

37 fear 😭

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah I suck

[opal pecan]

I think that's less "you suck" and more "what an oddly specific number to pick"

[viral yew]

Not the fear level, but the fact that you chose 37 specifically

[scarlet ferry]

Oh

I'm just incrementally increasing it to get new records

A few runs ago I beat 34 for the first time so I bumped fangs up to 2

[opal pecan]

MF on the 46.291F grind

[scarlet ferry]

Probably adding scars 2 next

[bright spruce]

optimal run for morrigan aspect?

[scarlet ferry]

Get Hera for hitch. Demeter freeze helps. Zeus and Hestia are both great on attack/special cause of the multi hit. Hephaestus legendary is really good

[bright spruce]

should i go on whim for pom

and time piece and card

[scarlet ferry]

You can do either. But if you really want to use Hephaestus, do rerolls

otherwise use jPom and others

[bright spruce]

alr

[rich folio]

Has anyone done Heph blast on Anubis attack if you can get the refresh low that could be kinda funny

[opaque dew]

it's imo not that great since it only goes down to 2 seconds

[vernal quiver]

1.5 with servo

But yeah heph blasts dont like hit everyone hit by an attack, it hits one guy and spreads from there by proxy

[opaque dew]

For anubis thats like still too long

Also man morrigan blades feel so strange im not used to combo type weapons

[vernal quiver]

Just get final slice so you can ignore the aspect entirely :D

[opaque dew]

I honestly just go with non omega weapons besides persephone , having to play a close range weapon that needs to charge to proc its effect is hard

But i see how much damage it does i just take more hits than i want to 🗿

[viral yew]

Persephone plays best by ignoring the aspect

[opaque dew]

Is mel skull or persephone better then…

[opal pecan]

I've done it and it was funny. But I was primarily relying on omega special for damage iirc

[viral yew]

Mel is better

[opal pecan]

I do appreciate that all of the Mel aspects range from "decent" to "best in slot"

[opaque dew]

Axe in the corner 😶

[rich folio]

Ah yeah

Special seems strong

[viral yew]

Axe is good

Mel axe has a 67f

[gentle gust]

mel axe is really good though

mel torch on the other hand....

[opal pecan]

I hate axe but Mel axe rates at minimum a solid "decent"

Mel flames is dece too

[viral yew]

Real

[spiral wadi]

mel and nergal feel like the best axes

than is fine for uw but giga ass on surface

charon is too build specific for jpom

lower fear than is prob the best

[vernal quiver]

Isnt charon the speedrun axe??

[spiral wadi]

ye

[opal pecan]

TBF the speedrunners don't use jpom anyway right

[vernal quiver]

Yeah so they can actually play the game for more than 3 seconds at a time

[spiral wadi]

mhm, i remember foolish mentioning how h2 speedrunning is eventually devolving into jpom reset hell

@ foolish confirm

[magic cobalt]

80% sea star and moon water godsent, I came out of typhon with 500 HP and not a single point missing lmao

[digital juniper]

nah there are a lot of aspect WRs being on jpom

its more reset heavy but when you Just Hit™️ it goes crazy

[stark ibex]

bro is saying this when charon exist

damn didn't finish reading

[manic shuttle]

charon on 55+ fear with wards is quite a struggle especially on early game

if you don't have wards it's very strong ye

chat rank my duo boons list

[surreal hazel]

You should put GD in meme since it's sometimes hilarious

And fourth degree is a hidden gem due to a silly interaction with Extended Family/Rallying Cry

[unreal rose]

Remind me of what is fourth degree

[digital juniper]

hestia ares duo, fireball effects apply +250 power to wounds

[unreal rose]

Oh

I like that one with the ranged cast

Free origination proc if you have a curse cast

[spark crown]

Than is still good on surface - surface 60f runner

[digital juniper]

||red almost has 48/48 62s and a ton of 65s so i think he has a good idea about the aspects’ powers🫣||

[spark crown]

Welp mb

[digital juniper]

i hope you now see the humour i found in your -surface 60f runner

[spark crown]

[upbeat matrix]

I found a tier list online on reddit hich put eos LAST 😭

Like idk I try to spread word of how good eos is but there is so much opposition T.T

[digital juniper]

you gotta remember that they clarified it’s their personal opinion and based on fun

people are allowed to like different things

[frank siren]

lol i have yet to be satisfied with a non jpom speedrun...

[upbeat matrix]

yeah but like, the middle of the pack is a GREAT place, why is eos either high or last 😭

[vernal quiver]

No they're not my opinion is the only right one

[umbral horizon]

Is Eos better on high fear?

[vernal quiver]

Very, its super safe and works with a lot of builds while also being more flexible with gains than moros

The ability to just throw out daybreaker and leave is stupid good at high fear, plus doubling all specials makes things kinda nutty

[upbeat matrix]

lot of boons work on eos as well so it doesnt get bricked easily

[vernal quiver]

I think its the best high fear flame?? Supay is wayyy to picky on setup and moros takes a bit to get going and is somewhat riskier, and mel is mel theres a reason it doesnt have a 67 clear yet while every other mel does

[umbral horizon]

Im going to try Nyx Coat on 40 fear, does the extra nightspawn attack hit the big hitbox enemies? Like Typhon or Poly?

[spark crown]

Nuh uh my opinion is the only right one

https://imgur.com/G9Geo0f (click Imgur link for better quality)

[vernal quiver]

No

Nightspawn is only really helpful for room clear, bosses youre playing a worse mel coat unless theres ads

[surreal hazel]

Nightspawn rockets are forbidden from targeting the enemy that the original rockets hit

Nightspawn split punches can't damage the same target that the main punch hit

[surreal hazel]

Pocket nuke too

also because of how wounds is +300 power there and scales with olympian damage specifically, it has a weird double dip that makes it silly

for those who don't know, the bonus power from wounds is amplified by olympian damage modifiers (and nothing else) before being added to the attack that is causing the wound

this has a hilarious double dip where Rallying Cry will take the 300 power on fourth degree, turn it into 450 power, adds that to the, say, 120 on glowing coal to make 570, and then since glowing coal is itself olympian damage, Rallying Cry applies again to add 50% to that 570

and all global and cast bonuses are applying to that power of 570 in this example

easily making your glowing coal into a one tap 1k+ damage

(Extended Family has a similar, although less prounounced effect)

(Both is silly)

[fiery kraken]

How does artemis' "% crit chance if monster has 80% health or 80% armor" work on armored monsters?
is it:

1. You only have crit chance when monster has 80% or more armor
2. You have crit chance when monster has 80% or more armor and once the monster has lost all armor, you have crit chance as long as it has 80% or more health
3. You have crit chance as long as monster has 80% or more health (since as long as monster has armor, it presumably still has max health)

[viral yew]

2

[fiery kraken]

is that a good boon?

especially compared to like pressure points?

[viral yew]

It's fine, i'd take pressure points over it but arty has alot of mid boons and it's one that's alwasy good

[fiery kraken]

cool

[opaque dew]

do duo boons reappear if you skip them?

also whats the strat for running king's ransom, Just get two (maybe 3) of zeus damaging core boons and then load up on hera until you want to try to get his duo?

[viral yew]

Yes and Yes

[spark crown]

Wait what isn't the whole point of +power to be buffed by %damage T-T ares bottoming the teirlist oml

[surreal hazel]

In english?

[spark crown]

Can't do proper English it's 3am XD

Try now idk if that's better

[surreal hazel]

probably

why did you say bottoming tierlist when this is a hilariously OP interaction?

[spark crown]

I ment his base boons

I need to not chat at 3am XD so I can be semi chohernt

T-T coherent*

[surreal hazel]

go to bed!

[opal pecan]

Oh are there? Nice, hell yeah 👀

[spark crown]

Queens ransom not up with kings T-T

[manic shuttle]

yea kings ransom can go crazy and not that hard to set up, queen's ransom is a seldomly worth it

[digital juniper]

yeah just at a quick glance and off the top of my head, atleast a 3rd of the aspect WRs is on joom

[spark crown]

Fine line,hereditary bane,rousing reception

All good boons to have high poms not including core

And the one that deals damage when hitched foe dies

[surreal hazel]

Dying Wish

[digital juniper]

there’s no doubt it isn’t good (especially herd bane), but when you consider blitz, storm ring, static shock and double strike, you see why KS is regarded higher

[manic shuttle]

hereditary bane maybe, but are fine line and rousing reception scaling that good

[spark crown]

They are pretty good iirc

[surreal hazel]

Dunno, lemme check

[spark crown]

I'm bout to be dead wrong and it's gonna scale as well as gusts

[spiral wadi]

rousing is funny cuz it instantly aggravates the yellow fields enemies

which is very annoying

[surreal hazel]

Dying wish, Base balues are 40, 60, 80, 100. each pom adds 20 but each pom past the first is 80% of the effect of the previous

[spark crown]

Not the worst tbh

[spiral wadi]

dying wish is pretty cool, before jpom i'd say it was the best hitch t2

[opal pecan]

Damn, you got all that memorized

[digital juniper]

no but the community recently got 24/24 aspects sub 5 so i looked at the list. then i tried remembering when seeing said aspect WR was jpom or rerolls

also the list has which runner got which record, and it helps to know if that runner usually goes rerolls or jpom

[surreal hazel]

Fine line is base value 120 (?) , rarity multiplier is 120, 150, 180, 210, pom scaling is 30, 15, 10, 10, 10, 10.....

[spark crown]

Again not the worst scaling (I'm copeing)

[spiral wadi]

it'd be nutty if every supay omega attack triggered fine line etc

to mimic old torch behavior

[surreal hazel]

It's terrible

[spark crown]

I know 😔

[surreal hazel]

while we're here

[spiral wadi]

ye new torches don't really support fine line as much

[surreal hazel]

What does kinda scale awesomely is... Nexus Rush (!?)

[spiral wadi]

well ig sudden burst is fine

tru

[surreal hazel]

What's the base damage on it? doesn't say here

[fiery kraken]

nexus rush is.... hera?

[spark crown]

150 I think

[surreal hazel]

but it's 1x, 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x for rarity

first pom is +0.5x and each one after is 0.25x

[spark crown]

[surreal hazel]

these are all multiples of the base damage

[surreal hazel]

it ain't that high

[spark crown]

Wait I'm a Jpom user ignore me

[surreal hazel]

just open the book of shadows someone...

[spark crown]

My PC is dead

[bronze flax]

I am... Honestly a bit surprised that we still haven't gotten 67F with Circe yet, any reason about why is that? Like, I see it's a solid and safe weapon, but right now only Mel Staff has been used for 67F

[spark crown]

Cuz it's bad :)
-# this is ragebait

[surreal hazel]

Oh yeah, let's not forget born gain

[bronze flax]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-rule-765-765-dbz-dragon-ball-gif-11264811342316871371

[surreal hazel]

20, 18, 16, 14, first pom is -2, each other is -1, hard minimum of 5 mana primed

[spark crown]

[surreal hazel]

What's kinda hilarious is Extremely Pommed Engagement Ring

[spark crown]

Bang nuke

[surreal hazel]

I managed to pull this off early one time and it was like... doing 5000 damage to each pinhead in oceanus

[odd bolt]

lol

[digital juniper]

circe almost got a 67 by a renowned high fear player within a month of the first 67 clear, but that run died to chronos at like 5% health in p3.

since then, other high fear runners mostly have opted to other aspects leaving it to that player (red). Circe did recently get a 67f surface and we do have @vernal quiver who also got to chronos with it

[surreal hazel]

Cast damage running away with my damage table in the victory screen for entirely unearned reasons

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout me ig

[spark crown]

I won't lie before the PC dies I ran engagement ring winners circle circe

[bronze flax]

Wait, there is 67F Circe on Surface now? Neat!

[surreal hazel]

ah here we go, rousing reception is... base damage is something? is it 60?

[vernal quiver]

I really should open the game again its been a few days

[spark crown]

Sounds right

[surreal hazel]

multipliers are 1x, 4/3, 5/3, 2x, pom stacks are 0.5x, 0.25x, 0.2x, 0.2x....

[opal pecan]

Oooh! My instinct was to say "congratulations" but I feel a little silly... sort of a group, community congratulations, I guess? Or congrats to whomever got the final one in?

[vernal quiver]

And whats crazy is that iirc they almost timed out, surface is evil and they're insane for chasing it

[digital juniper]

yep, vod isn’t uploaded yet but is been achieved by a well regarded high fear player. they also got mel blades and another aspect which i’m forgetting, maybe mel staff

[vernal quiver]

Yeah mel staff

[spark crown]

Surface runs go brrrrrrr

(that's gonna be me soon™)

[surreal hazel]

Ah, Engagement ring stacks levels badly. Oh well

[opal pecan]

Not that I'd know anything about who's who, but who prefers jpom and who prefers rerolls?

[surreal hazel]

base damage is like, 20?

[bronze flax]

Why is the player's name being mentioned as "he that shall not be named"?

[spark crown]

[surreal hazel]

1x, 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x. Then poms are 0.6, 0.4. 0.2x (repeat)

[opal pecan]

Yeah, but the thing about Engagement Ring is that the true power comes from getting it on multiple enemies who also all hitch each other and take each other's hitch damage

So if it looks like it scales badly, that's probably because it's balanced for that

[vernal quiver]

Then you enter a boss and lose all damage

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's a polynomial damage boost

[spark crown]

Scylla

[vernal quiver]

Itll deal 2 instead of 1 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[surreal hazel]

damage is procced 0.05 seconds after cast, after hitch itself has had a moment to apply itself

[spark crown]

Errrm it's 3 ☝️

[digital juniper]

Fate (holder of 6 aspect WRs, previous surface WR holder), basically only runs jpom since 1.0
Kirrby(also holds 6 aspect WRs and currently #2 fastest time?) runs jpom a lot of the time

[opal pecan]

I had a run the other day that had absolutely bonkers roomclear and then I entered the Chronos fight and realized that the linchpin of my Origination was my sprint and Chronos spent the entire time covered in those golden painblobs so I couldn't go near him 🙃

[opal pecan]

Oh, sweet :D

[digital juniper]

i mean i could’ve said Purple but it flowed better because the vods aren’t up yet but the community can attest to their legitness

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout purple my goat, bro got 3 67 surface clears in like a week or less

Crazy work icl

[digital juniper]

i think 24/24 65s too?

[vernal quiver]

Insane player

[bronze flax]

Huh, he used Selene at 65F with actually using the aspect. Neat!

[opal pecan]

What, like the hex ended up on the damage board??

[bronze flax]

It does... In the last place, but it's on the board!

[opal pecan]

Holy guacamole

[copper stag]

What’s a good Anubis build? Let me guess Zeus? lol

[opal pecan]

IIRC the main use of Zeus on Anubis is Static Shock

For attack, people typically go for onhit stuff, although you can make other stuff work

[copper stag]

Ok

[bronze flax]

There are two routes

Use on hit effects on attack (Zeus, Hestia, Poseidon, Hera)
Ignore the attack and go with Omega Special spam

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah you treat it as a second cast

[opal pecan]

We counting Hera as onhit?

[bronze flax]

Hitch in area + repeated attack procs that triggers Hitch (Engagement Ring would never)

So for Anubis specifically, I'd count it

[opal pecan]

Fair enough

Can you just imagine it with a super juiced up HB

[bronze flax]

The secret fifth option: Apollo because B I G (it's not effective, but the comical factor is there!)

[scarlet ferry]

I like Apollo special + Zeus or Hestia attack + Demeter cast

[digital juniper]

idk about non-high fear but for high fear zeus attack on anubis is very very legit

but also static shock is yes

[scarlet ferry]

Zeus is always legit

[digital juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-impact-third-impact-3rd-impact-truth-nuke-anime-meme-gif-9672669363915948084

[scarlet ferry]

Except for his dash and gain

Especially the gain

I hate it

[copper stag]

Seriously what is his gain, it’s literally the same as one of the punishments of fear (return)

You’re being punished if you choose his gain

[odd bolt]

dash is fun with supay

[odd bolt]

its worse you cant just go over it, you need to interact with it

[copper stag]

Oh god

[opal pecan]

I love when he spawns the aether font in the middle of an AOE or something

[scarlet ferry]

There’s no reason it shouldn’t work like Hecuba or grape juice

[bronze flax]

50F Surface with Circe and I did not get a Cast boon against Prom

Fun

[spiral wadi]

who needs cores

[grim current]

Oh, hey. Darkside synergizes with Aphrodite's Gain boon.

[surreal hazel]

I love getting a level 20 ionic gain due to King's Ransom and it's still bad

[spiral wadi]

ye ionic gain is more or less the exact same typically

[opaque dew]

Im appreciating hecate’s keepsake more and more

Cuz i go too crazy on boons by the time r3 is going on and then if my build is omega focused i cant even do it well lol

Makes me not need to think/worry about magick drops as much

[copper stag]

I know some weapons take time to learn but I really don’t know what I’m doing wrong with Anubis

I feel so slow and I keep dying, am I not supposed to us omega attack?

[alpine raft]

you are

its similar to charon where you dash while channeling it to make way more usable

[copper stag]

Oh ok

I’ll try that

[surreal hazel]

Also dashstrike to lay the field in the first place

[keen bluff]

is it worth it to get aspect of charon or thanatos first?

[copper stag]

People tend to say Thanatos is better cause it makes the axe extremely usable with the attack speed but I personally love Charon

It’s what I first cleared the game with

Put Apollo on special and Lucian gain so you can spam and it doesn’t really matter what you build next

[vernal quiver]

charon is the speedrun aspect

than is just a bit more flexible with hammers

[keen bluff]

oh yeah also mel, pan, or artemis for blades? i got artemis but my friend said its the worst one

[opal pecan]

Mel's the most reliable nonhidden aspect of the blades imo

But like.

Form your own opinions about things.

[scarlet ferry]

You use them all pretty much the same so it depends on whatever bonus you prefer

I personally like Mel’s the best

[keen bluff]

I ofc will eventually but rn I have quite limited resources so id rather get what's considered the better option first

[fiery kraken]

with every weapon you just have to figure out a good "combo" with it. I feel like every weapon's base combo has a "trap" that sticks you in place for a bit too long

and usually there's some way to cancel out of it or reposition yourself via a special/cast/attack at a proper time

[odd bolt]

Artemis is better

But the real MVP of blade aspects is the hidden one

[grim current]

For a Judgement build, Persistence is recommended despite its low Grasp cost?

I guess an instant +30 max & Magick isn't a hard sell when the early game is that much more difficult.

[silver flax]

QQ, what are some good boons to look for the hidden torch aspect? Kinda staring at it and not sure what exactly I'd want lmao

[silver flax]

Honestly I don't see why not given that big of a bump for HP and Magick is like a free heart and Magick flask, but I'm not some big professional gal so lol

[opal pecan]

Why would that be a "despite"?

Grasp cost doesn't equate 1:1 with usefulness

[grim current]

The biggest killer for in Judgement runs is not having Sorceress.

[vernal quiver]

Weapon dependant but ok

[grim current]

Despite their low cost, Huntress, Sorceress, Persistence I find pretty damn powerful. I can't not equip them.

[vernal quiver]

If were talking normal judgment with full grasp you take orig, furies, and death

But if we talk 65f judgment its strength + persistence or like persistence + artificer + runner/messenger

[grim current]

Meh. That's the last time I'm ever playing Judgement.

[turbid karma]

heey, you can resist the 1HK chronos attacks! wild

how interesting 😅

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/UarwnQm

This is wild

[vernal quiver]

Weakest zeus run

[opal pecan]

"Resisted" is basically what shows up when barriers like Lovers get used up

And yeah, stuff like that is effective against OHKOs and all that

[turbid karma]

gotcha!

does gale block them too?

[opal pecan]

Yep

[viral yew]

Armour, lovers, gale, snow queen, nitro boos, even dodge

[turbid karma]

oh, nice! wild, I had no idea

[summer bluff]

Just unlocked nergal hammer

Is it worth to use?

[opal pecan]

All of the aspects are worth trying out at least once.

But I would not advise using level 1 Nergal.

It really needs the rank-ups.

[scarlet ferry]

https://imgur.com/a/uCT50jF
This is a good start

[grim current]

What's the pros & cons between Hestia & Demeter's Godsents?

It seems like Hestia's Godsent is wholly superior to Demeter's.

[opal pecan]

It is

[viral yew]

Pros: They're both good area damage, hestia specifically ignores the scorch cap, demeter doesnt do much but is slow

Cons: both hexes are mid anyway

[grim current]

It deals 100 DPS.

[viral yew]

At base, with no damage buffs at all

Can go up to 400-500 per second with origination and a good pyro technique

[grim current]

Ah, I see. So that's the singular pro to Demeter's Godsent, however small.

[viral yew]

Oh you mean demeter

[grim current]

Even Furious Whirlwind, although largely inferior to Psychic Whirlwind, has the small advantage of a significantly faster channel speed.

What's the singular advantage of Demeter's?

[viral yew]

Demeter is worse then cause it'll only get buffed my global and olympian damage

[viral yew]

It slows down enemies, that's about it

Makes some encounters easier

Probably the only hex that can be detrimental

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout frenzy10 glitch tho

Funny asf

[opal pecan]

Dark Side:

[grim current]

I liked Dark Side when I had Aphrodite's Gain boon.

But I also played with only 12 Fear, so what do I know?

[opal pecan]

I'm not sure what you mean by her gain boon

Do you mean the godsent upgrade?

Cos I don't think her gain boon has any specific interaction with DS

[grim current]

Her Gain boon is still active when in Hex mode.

[opal pecan]

I mean, unless you have Sweet Surrender, that doesn't do much

[grim current]

Dark Side + Aphrodite's Gain basically becomes a really inefficient Demeter Gain.

[opal pecan]

Ah, I see

[grim current]

Except I also had Demeter's Strike + that one Sublime upgrade that allows Dark Side's attack to equip the current Strike boon, so I had Origination triggered during its duration too.

[opal pecan]

It doesn't get any %dmg bonus though, just the curse/etc

So like. You could be doing more damage, with Origination, if you weren't in DS

[grim current]

Oh... doesn't it?

[opal pecan]

Nop

[vernal quiver]

Yeah dark side sucks

[grim current]

I had it, but I also know I really can't tell if I dealt that much more DMG or not.

[broken spoke]

Dark side only good with godsent and it is still mid with it

Even below mid

[grim current]

Well, I did have Dark Side's Godsent.

[broken spoke]

Fun against typhoon tho

[grim current]

I only pick the bottom-most hex.

[opal pecan]

Like it was great for when I was dying to everything on the Surface in my main campaign playthrough and having an invincibiility button was the best thing on earth, don't get me wrong

[grim current]

I'll tell you later when I actually pick Hexes with an ounce of strategy.

[broken spoke]

Only if you don't do zdps during dark side

[grim current]

ZDPS?

[broken spoke]

Zero dps

[vernal quiver]

My goat wolf howl does it better fr

[grim current]

I personally favor Wolf Howl & Lunar Ray.

[vernal quiver]

No one beats the scars3 moonwater for vibes though

[grim current]

Oh, it ignores Scars?

[vernal quiver]

No lol

I take it cuz its funny and does nothing besides look pretty

[grim current]

[vernal quiver]

67 trauma runs deep dawg using a hex is almost impossible

[spark crown]

Challenge impossible

[opal pecan]

Does it better when the player knows how to use it 😆

[surreal hazel]

You can use Air Quality on Squall of Demeter

but conversely, one of the funniest things to do with Hearth of Hestia is Freezerburn, since it caps at 1200 stacks. So do the maths there and apply a few global bonuses and you're getting 5k damage on basically everything

[grim current]

I wish Supergiant could've made all the Godsents mechanically different than relying on itty-bitty interactions like that.

Furious Whirlwind, although largely inferior to Psychic Whirlwind, has the small advantage of a significantly faster channel speed.

I find that pretty cool.

[surreal hazel]

eh, it's actually a response to the fact that hexes are too reliant on being mechanically different and there's very few combos with your regular boons

[grim current]

-# (Well, the mechanical difference. Not the fact that Psychic Whirlwind is largely superior)

[surreal hazel]

it's insanely good, and kinda funny that it's survived from EA onwards

[grim current]

That's also true. Apollo & Hephastus' Godsents just deal more DMG.

[surreal hazel]

(Pour one out for Advancing Whirlwind, except don't)

[grim current]

What did that one do?

[surreal hazel]

+80% damage, but also weirdly detached your whirlwind from Mel, and it just moved forward in a line from where you fired it while mel herself was still in the spin animation unless you also had psychic

it was dumb because the projectile would just float off the level while mel was stuck spinning around like an idiot, you lost all control about where it went and it was no longer hitstunning enemies trying to hit you

and +80% damage was a lot but ughhh it was a horrible thing to hit on experimental hammer

[grim current]

And it got replaced with Furious?

Or whatever other upgrade there was?

[surreal hazel]

I thnk that existed too

I think advancing whirlwind just got...well... axed

ah here we go, it got replaced with Seething Marauder

16/10/2024

[grim current]

And Psychic Whirlwind doesn't have a +x Magick cost?

[surreal hazel]

#hades2-patch-notes message

[surreal hazel]

I don't think it ever did

Also seething marauder is weird and I need to look into it more

[grim current]

It doesn't trigger on-hit effects. It just seems to be +60 power.

[surreal hazel]

like, with Nergal and iron core, you get +2 hp for bonking with the mace itself, but the extra hits only heal for +1hp

[grim current]

I mean, it didn't & doesn't have an additional cost similar to Giga Cleaver.

[surreal hazel]

but they do heal nergal

and maybe it also charges up berserk too?

Hard to tell with a weapon you're already swinging around like a meathead

[grim current]

Huh. I probably had Thanatos when I equipped Seething. I don't remember that it did.

[surreal hazel]

it's a 60 power pulse, but I've never looked into how that damage is tagged for various effects

[grim current]

I remember asking & finding out that Seething Marauder doesn't trigger Olympian on-hit effects.

[surreal hazel]

let's have a looksie at the script

heh, it's still called "AxeRangedWhirlwindTrait" even though it got reworked

[grim current]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[surreal hazel]

basically all it does is spawn a projectile called HammerAxeNova when you do stuff

it's a matter of what that is tagged as

[grim current]

Thanks for the looksies.

[surreal hazel]

which isn't really mentioned in the scripts at all since basic projectile data isn't in the scripts

great, this won't tell me anything

[grim current]

What the hell? Rapid Slash is incongruent with the Whirlwinds?

Damn. That sucks.

[surreal hazel]

All I can tell you is that if you get Full Service from Icarus, it's 80 power rather than 60

[surreal hazel]

lol, stop looking at the fandom wiki

[grim current]

I don't see wiki.gg

Am I supposed to use fextralife?

[surreal hazel]

I'm looking at the scripts proper and there are literally no incompatible upgrades

There's only one pair of mutually exclusive hammers in the game and they're for the skull

(The upgrades that make your ammo pickups cause damage when they land and the one that causes them to fly back immediately, so a naturally exclusive pair)

[grim current]

Thanks. I guess someone has to upate that on the wiki. Not me. I have an acccount or wiki.gg, not FANDOM.

[surreal hazel]

it still says Stabbing Rush is 5 swords and that was literally nerfed to 3 swords the update after it came out

[grim current]

How valuable is Coffin Nail (increase sword fall speed) is for Damocles Swords?

[broken spoke]

Very good

[surreal hazel]

More than it looks

[broken spoke]

1 sword limit per enemy until it drops

[surreal hazel]

Every sword spawning move has a projectile cap

[grim current]

I usually equip Adamant Shard, so it's a common duo boon for me.

[broken spoke]

Drop faster= more sword per time

[surreal hazel]

Cut above has a limit of 3

[broken spoke]

Huge boost for cut above indeed

[surreal hazel]

Sword ring and stabbing rush is limited to 6

(Doubled swords from cutting edge don't count)

[grim current]

Damn. That's in addition to Damocles Sword not stacking on the same target until its current duration has expended & not triggering Origination?

[surreal hazel]

In addition, yes

[broken spoke]

Coffin nail make sword from jank to actually good

[surreal hazel]

Sword drops are indeed not a curse

[grim current]

Wasn't it in Hades 1?

I dunno. I haven't played that game in a while.

[broken spoke]

Hades 1 they are doom

Look smaller too

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, and not an aoe projectile

Swords can damage enemies that aren't the target, but they also miss

[broken spoke]

Also need a duo to be good

[grim current]

THEY DON'T DEAL SPLASH DMG?!

[surreal hazel]

They do!

Just not in h1

But also no stacking overlapping splash

Stabbing rush drops 3 swords, but a single enemy can only be hit by one sword of each set

[grim current]

Whaaaat?! What's the point of Stabbing Rush if the blades cannot hit the same target?

[surreal hazel]

Same with sword ring

[surreal hazel]

The 3 swords essentially define a slot-shaped aoe

[broken spoke]

30 base dmg btw

[grim current]

What's the point?? Poseidon's Ring deals marginally less DMG than Ares', but deals instant DMG and inflicts Froth!

[surreal hazel]

30 base but remarkably good scaling, jpom loves it

[broken spoke]

Yea their pom scaling is cracked for some reason

[surreal hazel]

The duos, and hostile environment

[grim current]

Meh, I guess.

[surreal hazel]

And sword ring has the highest damage of any aoe cast

[grim current]

I'm still going to equip Ares' Ring if I've already gotten the boons for Origination.

[surreal hazel]

And has cutting edge and coffin nail to make it bonkers

[grim current]

It's still a rogue game.

Still. It's SUPER weird Damocles Sword doesn't deal AoE DMG.

[surreal hazel]

It does!

[grim current]

No wait.

[broken spoke]

It deal aoe dmg in hades 2

[surreal hazel]

Just not stacking

[grim current]

Yeah, my mistake.

I confused the two.

[surreal hazel]

In most cases the AoE lets them hit moving targets better

[grim current]

I guess I can't compare it to Zeus' Ring when Ares' Ring benefits from Winner's Circle too.

[surreal hazel]

It's mostly why cuttung edge has that 50% increase since the second sword is quite delayed

[surreal hazel]

And hostile environment loves it

Deploy cast, run past everyone, swords for all

[grim current]

Coolio.

Glad to know that, even if Damocles Swords rather furiously doesn't hit the same target and misses versus mobile enemies, they're still pretty good.

Ares' primary boons aren't very good, but the player can still make them work.

[surreal hazel]

But yeah, like Ares generally. His cores are kinda questionable but his duos and t2s are low key incredible

[grim current]

Now if only they were as good as the rest.

[surreal hazel]

And his duo reqs aren't always cores

[grim current]

Perhaps Wounds should've dealt 120 DMG & interacted only with uniersal/+Olympian DMG buffs just like Splash & Blitz.

[surreal hazel]

Coffin nail, cutting edge, hostile environment, carnal pleasure, universal donor can all be gained without an ares core

[grim current]

Of course, Wounds is countered by barriers...

[surreal hazel]

Wounds interacts weirdly with olympian bonuses

[grim current]

Or Wards, as is called in this game.

[digital juniper]

coffin nail and cutting edge due to the existence of cut above i assume?

[surreal hazel]

Yep. All it needs and sometimes a fine combo

[grim current]

It doesn't scale very hard on account of it already scaling with its own +20% DMG?

[surreal hazel]

Hostile environment needs sword ring or meatgrinder

[surreal hazel]

Olympian bonuses specifically amplify the bonus power before other bonuses happen

So rallying cry basically makes wounds 75 power bonus

And yes this extra power multiplies with other bonuses

(Fourth degree similarly doesn't need a hestia core)

His fussiest duo is arterial spray

[broken spoke]

Fourth degree is my favourite one

[surreal hazel]

It's so good

[broken spoke]

Big number

[surreal hazel]

+300 power is like gyser spout but up front

[broken spoke]

Additional 300 power on fireball lmao

[surreal hazel]

+450 power with rallying cry, then +50% additive after that because lol damage calc

Your 100 damage glowing coal goes from 150 with just rallying cry to uhhhh. 825 with fourth degree

And that's with no other globals

[broken spoke]

What a shame there is no other boon just boost wound base pwr

[surreal hazel]

Extended family

[broken spoke]

Yes but no

[surreal hazel]

I had that giving me +60% because lol All altogether

[surreal hazel]

It does increase the power of wounds, same as rallying cry

It's not +% additive in that case

[spark crown]

Wow i don't remember this at all XD

[swift crystal]

so any great chaos below pointers lol?

[spark crown]

Pray

[spark crown]

Also if you get a good run you specifically are compelled to say "what a drag" (pfp)