h2-builds-and-combat

[spiral wadi]

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[distant condor]

Is aspect of supal just bad, am i just bad or is it saved by certain hammers?

[surreal hazel]

It's incredible, but it takes a moment to get going. it needs boons of certain types, hammers are less important (Although hidden helix is a strong choice as ever)

[distant condor]

How does it work with the +100 power thingy from dionysus?

[surreal hazel]

the idea is that its basic power is very low, but it's spewing it everywhere, automatically, so you want attack and special boons like hitch, blitz, wave and scorch

[tawny arrow]

Fun, not effective
By the time you get your first bonk in scylla has already squashed you between a rock and a hard place

[surreal hazel]

and you want a heavy hitting running rush boon like nexus sprint

[distant condor]

Which one was nexus?

[surreal hazel]

likewise a good cast boon, since it's attacking and specialling for you, you can focus much more on cast and rush damage

[surreal hazel]

Hera

[distant condor]

My strongest build was prob just guaranteed crit from the jump hex alongside the +100 power from dionysus and the omega special on the torches

(Sry for not using names, i dont think i read a single one when playing. Just read the effects)

[surreal hazel]

that 100 power thing doesn't play nice with supay

it's good for one attack, woo

[distant condor]

Does it just affect a single hit?

[tawny arrow]

Yeah soup guy is all about many many small attacks

[surreal hazel]

A single move, but Supay is constantly autoattacking

so it just eats it up

[tawny arrow]

Big but brief damage boosts like ares or a can of dr. grape don't play well with it

[distant condor]

Yeah this i did on the aspect that makes the main attacks explode when hit by specials

[surreal hazel]

Moros

[distant condor]

Yeah

[surreal hazel]

yeah, grape juice is fine on other torches since you can chooce to use it on your omega special, supay robs you of that

[distant condor]

Also are there any weapons that would benefit well from dionysus's 5/55/555 dmg thing?

[surreal hazel]

That boon is a joke

[distant condor]

I grabbed it the first time on anubis and it just kinda killed my damage

[surreal hazel]

it's made slightly better by Air Quality and Success Rate, but ughhhh

[distant condor]

It went from 100 to 0 real quick

[surreal hazel]

Don't take it unless you have a very good idea of what you're doing

[distant condor]

Somehow almost beat rival typhon with it but skill issue ig

[surreal hazel]

Just slower for no reason

Supay might be okay with it if you're running blitz, scorch or waves, since it doesn't affect those

but eh, why?

[distant condor]

I mean might as well pick something that can actually help you

[surreal hazel]

Quite

Personal Loan seems better than it looks

[distant condor]

Btw is it just me or do some enemies just do ridiculous damage when charmed?

Had a vermin charmed during the chronos fight and the dude just died

Just a small vermin that is

[surreal hazel]

So the damage enemies do to other enemies is usually multiplied by 30 to rescale the vastly different HP values, but also sun worshipper adds 200% more, Night bloom has its own bonuses

charmed enemies are the weakest, but their damage isn't trivial

[distant condor]

Ngl i do imagine your idea of high damage is different from mine

Havent seen content for hades 2 yet but i remember from the first game that the differences were very high

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, but basic enemies have hundreds of hp, the Typhon has 65,000hp as I recall

so for enemies to stick to doing like, 20 damage, it'd be a little silly

[fiery kraken]

if you get night bloom, there's a monster that typhon spawns that can essentially solo typhon

the large dude that flies around with an explosive strapped to its front.

[distant condor]

My fastest typhon kill was close to 3 minutes (without rival) and it felt lightning quick to me

Also is it just me or is schylla and the sirens harder than chronos?

[surreal hazel]

Unrivalled? It can feel that way, she's really hard

[distant condor]

Rivalled

[surreal hazel]

same thing

[distant condor]

May be because i fight almost exclusively at range so most of chronos's attacks barelly appear on screen

[surreal hazel]

nowhere to hide against scylla and the tentacles

[distant condor]

True

[surreal hazel]

Safest strategy is to run to the back tentacles and try to make some breathing room by beating them down

don't try to rush down Roxy, I know you want to

[distant condor]

Usualy i rush down the roxy tentackes and just spin around the arena taking out the rest

Tbh scylla is prob the biggest danger for me out of everything that's happening

[surreal hazel]

The rush attack she has is a problem

[distant condor]

Roxy's attacks are usually very dodge-able, charybdis is mainly annoying because of the non tentacle attacks, and the guitar one is so unnoticable that i cant even remember her name

[distant condor]

Only consistent way i found for that is to run behind her

[surreal hazel]

once you drop the last tentacle in phase two, he stops attacking altogether

[distant condor]

Yeah that's why he's first on the list in p2 no matter what

[surreal hazel]

Everyone dreads seeing him as the featured artist

[distant condor]

I can see why

Tho featured skylla is also quite terrible cause i often have a hard time hitting her

Depends a lot on what weapon im using tho

[distant condor]

Geniune question tho. What even is the point of the guitar one in the fight

She seems like she has 2 attacks that she does cery rarely and that dont do much

One more question before i go to bed.
Is there a more consistent way to dodge rival eris's lasers?

[tawny arrow]

Huh?

[distant condor]

I was only able to do that with melle cause i just go behind her but i rarely play melle

[alpine raft]

whats melle

[surreal hazel]

Jetty? She floods the area with bouncy projectiles, hides a lot, has the stage dive attack making big AoE and the stun blaster wave

[surreal hazel]

watch where her prefire laser is, it aims off to the side and then always sweeps towards you, it's easier to avoid the triple sweep if you're closer to her

[tawny arrow]

Charybdis is, i guess in monster terms, a female

[distant condor]

Ngl last run i had today she died without me seeing her at all in the second phase (with anubis)

[tawny arrow]

Go behind her lol

[fiery kraken]

it's the larger equivalent to those monsters in region 4 that fly around with an explosive strapped to their front

[distant condor]

Wait if i switch sides before the attack appears does she also switch her dirrection?

[surreal hazel]

I think she's already decided at the point she starts up the move

[daring hull]

I'm struggling so hard against Chronos on 32 fear, my god. I can get him to mid P2, but i never manage to finish him off. It's driving me crazy lmao

[distant condor]

Yeah that's harder with ranged weapons cause by definition im not likely to be close to her

[tawny arrow]

Polyp?

[surreal hazel]

Get close anyway

eris hates people getting up in her face, like all bullies

[distant condor]

That's fair

Anyway thanks for the help

[fiery kraken]

I have no idea what the names are, and a quick google doesn't give me an image, but I will just pretend like you're right and agree

[tawny arrow]

A magical rocket to the face hurts from every distance, trust

[surreal hazel]

A real one does too

[tawny arrow]

Do not test this at home

[grim current]

I do wonder. Hecate varies up her fights by using different Hexes. Scylla & the Sirens have a different Featured Artist. What could Eris & the two region 3 bosses have that vary up their approach between runs?

Actually, the region 3 boss in Hades 1 didn't have a vary-ifier.

I guess I just want something for Eris.

[tawny arrow]

Eris drops different minions and has different bombardment patterns

[grim current]

I do like how damage racing un-Unrivaled Eris advances her 2nd wind mechanic to the point of layering in top of each other (I think it has a duration).

But I digress.

This is #h2-builds-and-combat.

Does Seething Maurader (additional 60-DMG instance in attacks) synergize with Hestia/Poseidon's strike boons?

[odd bolt]

pretty sure that it doesnt cause you're still just attacking one time

dashing heave, however, works

if it read something like "your attack hit 2 times but the second attack always deals 60 dmg" then it would work

[grim current]

Figures. I do wonder, then, how Scorch was the 4th greatest source of DMG when I was using Thanatos.

(Hestia's Strike).

[odd bolt]

Scorch is broken

Also than attack is quite fast

[grim current]

I guess.

Well, beggars can't be choosers when it comes to Fates' Whim builds.

[odd bolt]

Hard to go wrong with a +4 scorch attack boon unless your weapon is like suuuper slow

Even if not optimal, it probably will still do a decent job

[fiery kraken]

how useful/important are hemes boons typically?

aside from like winner's circle with some circle, I never quite know how valuable hermes is. In hades 1, multiple dashes/increased speed were incredible and hermes was a fairly important god

have people felt like "faster dash" or "reduced projectile" or "increased gold" "faster attack/special/cast" making differences?

[surreal hazel]

Definitely

Travel deal is busted good without vow of debt

[vernal quiver]

The money stuff is huge for high fear

And nitro boost is super good

[vernal quiver]

Even with its crazy

Since chrolex means youre loaded

Issue is generally i find myself taking quick buck so I can actually buy something in erebus

[surreal hazel]

Success rate can amp up everything your build does

Including white antler

[scarlet ferry]

I forget which weapon I was running but it’s one where you definitely want percentage boosts. I entered Ephyra and all 4 gods were on hit effects.

Was an instant reset 😭

[surreal hazel]

Hephaestus, zeus, posideon and hestia?

[fiery kraken]

nitro boost is... faster attack/spec/cast?

or is that the more dashes?

oh, the context is I'm hoping to push for 62 fear (though currently stalled at 55f)

[vernal quiver]

Its the invulnerable on sprinting for x hits

[fiery kraken]

also, I"m on circe, should I ever consider taking winner's circle without heph?

[vernal quiver]

Never take winners circle imo unless you wanna mess around

[fiery kraken]

even on heph cast?

[scarlet ferry]

I think ao

[vernal quiver]

Ive had clears with heph cast on 62 without winners circle, its not necessary in the slightest

Although if you're doing Apollo its a must

[scarlet ferry]

I’ve used winners circle on Circe and it’s super fun

[vernal quiver]

Either way I only ever take aphro, Apollo, or heph if I have literally no other options

[fiery kraken]

I typically like demeter cast on other aspects for the defense, but is it too low damage for circe?

not zeus cast? or hestia?

Oh, are you saying "I take the other casts, and only those 3 when I don't have other options" ?

[vernal quiver]

Yeah

[fiery kraken]

pois ares also fetl less exciting to me?

[vernal quiver]

Its fine! Makes you have to play more to the staff moveset more than the cast but its plenty doable in a reasonable time

[vernal quiver]

They just don't work lol

The splash from posiedon has an internal cooldown so you dont get the damage from both at the same time, and ares can only make 1 blade regardless of the cast layering

[scarlet ferry]

Poseidon and ares are good to have in your pool for a Circe build tho

[fiery kraken]

so would you take their casts then?

[vernal quiver]

Nope never, zeus hestia are the top2, demeter is my safe pick

[fiery kraken]

Ok

so there's a tier above and below what you list

[scarlet ferry]

Apollo’s isn’t bad either

[fiery kraken]

and winner's circle is low priority for most of them (high priority for apollo?)

[scarlet ferry]

And having Apollo in the pool means you can get supernova, prominence flare, and lucid gain

[vernal quiver]

Imo it goes for casts
Best picks: zeus hestia
Alright: demeter heph
Funny but kinda stinky: aphro Apollo
Avoid: pos ares hera

[fiery kraken]

I'm talking circe at higher fears, should I think about prominence flare and lucid gain? I don't think I really use omegas as I currently play them

except when I get the hammer that spends magic for double strike

[vernal quiver]

I don't, using omegas is a waste at high fear circe

[scarlet ferry]

If you see it, just take it if you want. It’s good.

Plum just plays at the highest fear levels possible. You don’t need to worry about extreme metas lol

[scarlet ferry]

What fear are you playing

[vernal quiver]

They did say the goal is 62 lol

[fiery kraken]

context is I'm trying to push to 62, though stalled at chronos at 55

[scarlet ferry]

Gotcha

Then yeah listen to plum

[odd bolt]

But... funny falling blades build... 🥀

[vernal quiver]

If im bored on a warmup 62 I might

[fiery kraken]

why is aphro in the weaker tier? I thought damage over over time is very useful for clearing wards

is it not enough damage?

[scarlet ferry]

You want fast damage since it’s your main source. The fact that you have 2 casts is what clears hordes

[vernal quiver]

Her cast is great for crowd control and has alright damage but thats about it, theres no way to amp its damage further outside of general stuff like origination which everything gets

[scarlet ferry]

Also, you can get Demeter gusts to get damage over time

[fiery kraken]

thanks for this btw

[scarlet ferry]

Lowkey I wish Heph cast inflicted glow straight up. But that would be kind of OP I guess

[vernal quiver]

I just wish it could inflict glow

[fiery kraken]

heph cast can't even inflict glow right...?

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah

[odd bolt]

Nope, not a blast

[vernal quiver]

Even with the glow boon his cast isnt counted as a blast which is silly

[scarlet ferry]

Wish they’d at least give him a second curse that the cast inflicts. Being the only god that needs 2 boons to inflict a curse is crazy.

And Demeter is allowed to have 2 curses so it’s not impossible

I have no ideas for what the curse could be tho

It would make his cast a LOT better

[vernal quiver]

Make it like stun the enemies for longer or smth idk, I just wish heph was better than trusty shield 🥀

[fiery kraken]

weaken - remove armor over time (or maybe shatter armor at X %?)

[odd bolt]

Disoriented: stuns enemies for 3 seconds, then it can only stun again after a while

[vernal quiver]

Oohhh armor breaking would be cool

[odd bolt]

Wait hold up I just made freeze 2

Forget it

[scarlet ferry]

Maybe a curse that makes enemies take more armor damage. Even if they have no armor, it’d still be applied for Origination’s sake

[vernal quiver]

Tbf molten touch is already armor breaking 🥀 wouldn't hate to see a more usable curse on him regardless though

[odd bolt]

The fact that you can only apply glow as fast as the blasts are is so bad

Since it only applies when the blast happens

[scarlet ferry]

Well it’s because glow is strong

[odd bolt]

Yeah

I get it, but it's just so sad that it is this way

[scarlet ferry]

Maybe the cast could inflict a pseudo-thorns effect. Whenever an inflicted enemy attacks, it loses health. Loses even more health if it’s attack connects

And it would actually synergize with his shield and gain boons

[odd bolt]

Welcome back jolted!

[scarlet ferry]

Lol

It wouldn’t stack though. It would be a binary curse

[grim current]

At least Glow & encourages equipping Hepaestus' Rush boon versus his Strike/Flourish...!

[halcyon forge]

what gods should I be looking for for an Ares sword build?

[vernal quiver]

uhhh apollo and zeus iirc

so also highkey heinous affront maxing

hera never hurts either

at least assuming you mean the falling blades

[halcyon forge]

yea

so no heph?

[vernal quiver]

ohhh wait yeah i forgot he existed

coffin nail would be goated if you can manage it

so ig if youre wanting to fully duo max then apollo, ares, heph, then zeus/hera as filler

i say filler but heinous affront is crazy

[odd bolt]

if you really want to go for the falling blades stuff its apollo and heph

[spark crown]

I think it's better to prio Zeus over hera cuz you'll have Apollo in your build so you get heinous affront light smite and divine vengeance

[scarlet ferry]

Using Charon and first hammer options are Hell Splitter, Seething Marauder, and Colossus Slash.

tragic

Lowkey may switch to Apollo keepsake for region 3 even though I'll lsoe fates whim

Nvm forgot I had Hecuba so Poseidon gain works fine

[chilly vale]

does pos array count as an omega move

[broken spoke]

Yes

You will see it trigger thing like fine line

[vernal quiver]

But it doesn't count for things that need to consume mana like flood gain or hexes

[chilly vale]

also how is menace putting tartarus enemies in ephyra

[vernal quiver]

It doesnt?? Never happened to me before

Which enemy

[chilly vale]

weird i just saw the clock thing that has the stun on explode there

[broken spoke]

That probably just fang happened

[vernal quiver]

Isn't that a fangs buff

[chilly vale]

oh it is? damn

[chilly vale]

does it add the Magick cost from fine line? and also does it interact with arc flash

[broken spoke]

Never noticed the magick cost because parray drain entire magick pool in a blink regardless

And yes it should interact with arc flash

[chilly vale]

i assume theres some hardcoded limit on fine line/pos waves?

[grim current]

Okay, it wasn't so hard to give it Excellence when I equip Calling Card region 2.

How can you guys convince me to unequip Excellence for my Change of Fate build?

It's painful enough to see Hermes boons before Calling Card.

[vernal quiver]

There's so many better things to spend 5 grasp on 🥀

[grim current]

That's a rather reductive way to convince someone to your side.

I already said I unequipped Excellence for my Fates' Whim build.

Convince me for my Change of Fate build.

[rare grove]

What’s your setup now

[vernal quiver]

Well whats the current setup

[rare grove]

Origination and boatman both are worth far more for five grasp than rare boons; particularly with fateswhim level 4 is basically everything is epic anyway

Boatman is two more de facto epic boons you can buy

[vernal quiver]

And in the context of a reroll setup youre already pretty thin on grasp

[rare grove]

Idk if you’re pushing fear or not but excellence will screw you over with vow of hubris also

[grim current]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#2518085

[vernal quiver]

Ur not even using the whole reroll corner what 😭

[grim current]

As my laptop is slowly getting worse & worse at recognizing D & C keystrokes, I went from minor 16 Fear to a meager 12.

[rare grove]

give it a few weeks you’ll be lik, f it, 32

and you’ll win

[grim current]

I used to. It felt dirty rerolling multiple times thanks to the Fates Arcana.

[vernal quiver]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==
Id probably do smth like this if you dont care for omegas or wayward son

[grim current]

And I'm not so knowledgeable at fishing out the best boons.

[odd bolt]

wdym by dirty?

[rare grove]

dirty? chronos kidnapped your mom and dad and brother. go ahead and fight dirty

[grim current]

It's just a feeling. The real reason is that I'm not so knowledgeable about the meta & which boons to equip for which primary & which secondary boons are so coveteous.

I favor Uncanny Fortitude & Furnace Blast, so I go for those.

[rare grove]

so if you’re offered boons that all seem not useful, reroll

game knowledge will come with time, and use your codex

don’t overthink it

[grim current]

How many a time do those come across as to desire The Fates Arcana over simply equipping Champions?

[odd bolt]

i mean its "balanced" cause to get all rerolls you need to invest a lot of grasp and every time you reroll it costs more

[grim current]

It helped I had Excellence to do most of the thinking for me.

[rare grove]

tbh I’ve been running fates whim basically exclusively

for 150 runs now and counting

[grim current]

Kind of hard for me to unequip Sorceress & Huntress. Guess I can forgo Messenger for such.

[vernal quiver]

Could just drop lovers

There's a reason I dont like playing rerolls lol, the corner eats a lot of grasp but if you dont use the whole corner there's no real point

[scarlet ferry]

Not related but I much prefer this website for Arcana builds than the Crossroads website. It’s so much easier to see which each one says.

Crossroads should copy tho one for real

[scarlet ferry]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#2223201

This is what I use if you want to take a look

(Death and Strength are interchangeable)

If you really want to, you can swap out lovers for Huntress + Wayward Son/Messenger

[verbal island]

I sure love being cursed during the final encounter!!! Chaos you silly silly person, when I get my hands on you..

[viral yew]

Why'd you take it then

[verbal island]

It was the last one I needed for the fates

offer i cant refuse, I fear 💔

[viral yew]

😭

It do be like that

[restive bolt]

is it a mindset thing, or is playing without fates' whim really just that hard? i recently went back to rolls, and i really feel like the surface has been a major tripping point for me again. definitely feels like it did when i was still trying to beat 0 fear.

[viral yew]

You've gotta be alot more specific with builds

[restive bolt]

i really can't be, i'm doing grave thirst weapons but generally try to play a different pool/aspect every time, just with rolls for easier time getting duo boons i need

[viral yew]

You need rolls and god keepsakes to setup builds alot easier

[restive bolt]

it's just like that idk even with rolls and being able to pick my pool, it feels harder to clear 40 fear surface than with fates' whim

[viral yew]

Rolls are harder yeah

But if you're playing smth like circe you can guarantee a perfect build almost every time

Just need to know the best options for each weapon from each god

[restive bolt]

i'm enjoying getting the most use out of my pool again for sure, olympus is just a struggle lol. glad it wasn't just me thinking it was harder this way

[viral yew]

It also depends on the aspect you're playing

[restive bolt]

ok it's not that i don't know how to build, it's that i have been grinding this long enough that i was playing island getaway aphro special shiva just now. it didn't make it but it was funny

coat is not a fun thing to build tbh

[viral yew]

I love coat it just doesn't work with alot

[restive bolt]

i have gripes with special tracking, i feel like shiva does it best. it definitely needs another high damage aspect, preferably without the 45 o special

nyx is more fun than i remembered tho! just not really mel or selene lol

[viral yew]

They're all high damage, it's just selene that sucks

[grim current]

I think it's cool how Supergiant managed to differentiate Hangover from Scorch, but only being able to apply it once per foe is pretty tough.

Guess it's good versus lv 3 Hordes.

Tipsy Shot, the mortar cast, is pretty fun.

You guys said most of Dionysis' boons are inferior?

[broken spoke]

They either don't have huge impact or have noticeable drawback

Worry free is a lot of hp, but can't see your hp which kinda range from whatever to anxiety depends on person

[digital juniper]

yeah if you get through the anxiety part, worry free is rather strong because its about 75 extra HP

[stray heron]

it can be alright but imo if youre not anxious about your hp then you dont need it in the first place

[digital juniper]

no its the anxiety if not knowing your HP thats the deterrent. but yeah if you know you're chilling with your HP might aswell take something else

[grim current]

When I equipped it for complete the quest, I also had Moon Water. Even if I still won, it suddenly became a LOT more stressful.

[stray heron]

Yeah I would never take it unless for some reason I really need the hp. Its not worth it imo

[grim current]

Speaking of which, when I get Selene, I only ever equip the bottom-most, full-moon Hexes.

What dicates what kind of skill tree is given to the player?

I would guess it's random & has nothing to do with its phase.

[stray heron]

It may have something to do with the gods you have in a run but im not sure, I assume the game tries to offer you hexes that allow you to have godsents when possible

[grim current]

I favor the ground pound & Lunar Ray, but Moon Water is fun to use. My previous run, the bottom-most Hex was once more Moon Water. It turned to be a surprising source of mana when I had to make do with Hestia's Gain boon with Aspect of Thanatos.

[stray heron]

I remember having 8 uses of poseidon godsent moon water

I usually ignore hexes now though or purge them

[grim current]

I'm very sure the a Hex being able to be Godsent has nothing to do with the likelihood of the Hex or the shape of the skill tree.

[stray heron]

Maybe but it feels like when I get a hex its godsent most of the time unless its like first room

[grim current]

Dark Side's Sublime upgrades kinda suck.

At least its Godsent is pretty good.

[digital juniper]

it is indeed random

[slim plover]

Night bloom is lowkey very powerful

[marble estuary]

Dark side with the fill moon 2 upgrades is pretty crazy, especially godsent. Getting the extra invincibility time and the powerup that gives it your attack boon feels intense! So if you do use the selene keepsake in the first/second zone you think you get godsent more? I never really thought about it but it does seem true

[slim plover]

why do people say glamour gain is not very strong, the magick you get from it might not be the best but the weak status effect helps a lot with survivability in high fear runs especially if you get island getaway and are running strength (which you generally should be doing in high fear anyway)

[surreal hazel]

It's not even low-key sometimes, it's hilariously OP on certain bosses

[slim plover]

true though

[digital juniper]

nah selene keepsake doesn’t impact it.

Rerolls and god keepsakes are your best bet. If you’re looking to play a certain hex, you can guarantee that you get the right god with their keepsake/rerolls, or if you get an early selene and get a hex and are looking for the god to get it godsent, rerolls/their keepsake in the next region ensures you get it

[surreal hazel]

It's absolutely fine if you don't need a lot of mana

it's got two problems though: The rate of gain is absolute dogwater if you have a very hungry build, and the gradual gain also gets in the way of the Huntress Arcana

[slim plover]

yeah im aware

born gain is better for most cases but i think that glamour gain is pretty good for survivability, especially if you don't have a magick hungry build

[surreal hazel]

Born Gain isn't the best extreme mana gain these days either

[slim plover]

i got like a 700 hp run with 80% damage reduction recently

[slim plover]

eh i suppose it depends on what aspect you're running

[surreal hazel]

If you're doing torch Ripple builds, then it's not enough

[slim plover]

i suppose so but it works for something like shiva in my opinion

[surreal hazel]

you prime out too easily, particularly if you're running Hubris

[digital juniper]

simply hit rarity/poms on it

there is no issue in the game that can’t be fixed with Just Hit™️

[surreal hazel]

Winner's Circle and Lucid Gain is easily the best gain rate ever. Flood Gain is incredibly stable and provides insane gain without any mana tonic investments

[slim plover]

im not a fan of flood gain but i can see how it could be pretty good on something like torches

[surreal hazel]

And you can use Tough Gain if you Just Get Hit ™

[slim plover]

i wonder what is the highest raw damage, not dps, you can achieve in one attack

[broken spoke]

Shiva can hit like 5 digit

[surreal hazel]

it's bonkers with posessed array builds, 4-8 seconds of free omega kabooms is obscene

[slim plover]

ah fair

[surreal hazel]

HellSplitter with Melinoe Axe is probably your start point

it depends if you mean a single damage instance or single weapon strike

[slim plover]

shiva with that one hammer upgarde giving +100 power on fully charged m1 is pretty good

[digital juniper]

not a juiced up shiva oattack crit?

i’m surprised you haven’t tested it out, sounds right up your alley with the shenanigans you like to do

[surreal hazel]

yeah, that's a lot

[slim plover]

whats the difference? im guessing by single damamge instance you just mean anything that can do damage

[surreal hazel]

I mean that Gyser Spout exists

[slim plover]

sorry im not very good at hades 2 lmao i only have 100 hours in the game 😅

[slim plover]

oh yea true

i generally dont know which casts to run with circe staff to be honest

[surreal hazel]

And if you meant the damage delivered by an entire move then well....

[slim plover]

then casts are pretty powerful yeah but i moreso meant one weapon strike

[broken spoke]

4th degree hestia fireball is funny

[slim plover]

is hell splitter a good hammer upgrade?? its very fun but i feel like its not actually good in most cases, but im not sure. it feels very detrimental if you're running vow of wards

[surreal hazel]

It's stupid, and definitely not optimal, but a single twincast with circe on Glorious Disaster can do like... 5000 damage

[surreal hazel]

Only even consider it with thanatos

[digital juniper]

it’s weird and funny how than’s animation and move speed works

[slim plover]

wdym by that

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos has a different idea of "40% Faster" than you get with other axe aspects

[slim plover]

explain perhaps?

[digital juniper]

than axe feels faster because it has a slightly different attack animation (might be just the last hit?)

so for example if you gave mel axe +40% attack speed with boons/hanmers, it’ll still feel slower than Thanatos

[surreal hazel]

well, let's say you have mel axe, and you get Rapid hack at rank II (Thanks, icarus), that says 40% faster

thanatos just says 40% faster just on the aspect

thanatos is attacking faster even then

in the scripts, there's a few modifiers to a few different animations that thanatos has but other attack speed modifiers do not have

[slim plover]

i feel like thans crit chance is kinda irrelevant since it doesn't apply regular attacks and specials, only omega variants

[digital juniper]

Than’s strongest build is oattack psychic whirilwind though

[surreal hazel]

Psychic whirlwind is stupid good

[digital juniper]

hell you could even nigh cycle with omega cast and omega special to have 40% crit chance on your ospecial

[slim plover]

i suppose so

[digital juniper]

but than is also flexible enough to ignore Mortality and play normal attack spam

[slim plover]

i wouldnt really know

[slim plover]

yea especially with that ridiculous attack speed which admittedly always felt like it was a lot more than 40%

[surreal hazel]

Actually rapid hack also modifies attack animations for the axe in a way that nimble limbs does not

[surreal hazel]

If you ever can. Get Premium Service with than, with rapid hack

Just to experience it

[slim plover]

ill try and give it a try sometime, whats it like

[surreal hazel]

You're attacking about as fast as the staff does. With a scythe

Just feels great

[slim plover]

fair enough

just got a heroic flutter strike start with a chaos boon giving +97% attack damage on shiva aspect going pretty good i must say

[surreal hazel]

Heroic? Using her keepsake?

[slim plover]

yep

shiva hammer upgrades feel pretty funky

like the hammer upgrades specific to shiva, i feel like awakened rockets could be okay maybe but im not sure, counter supreme seems alright

elephant rockets feels like a downgrade

[surreal hazel]

Elephant rockets is the best one, but it's awkward as heck

Maybe chakra collider

Mooncrest riser is an insult

[slim plover]

how is it good at all

[surreal hazel]

+30 power is a lot

[digital juniper]

shiva dash attack as a whole is an insult

[surreal hazel]

No, that's injury

(Insult to injury pun)

[surreal hazel]

Just mash your special while attacking, like you should do anyway

[slim plover]

i guess

is secret crush a good boon

[surreal hazel]

Depends massively on the weapon

[slim plover]

is it better on slow heavy hitters like axe / coat or weapons like dagger

[surreal hazel]

Blades? sure, staff? kinda.

[surreal hazel]

Base power modifiers are always better on rapid moves

[slim plover]

alright

[surreal hazel]

Put it this way

Blades has an 8 hit combo: 25, 25, 15x5, 90

[broken spoke]

Tbh secret crush suck, doesn't scale with pom and rarity scaling also quite bad

[surreal hazel]

Add wicked onlslaught to that and you add 20 power to each of those hits

[slim plover]

niche boon not necessarily completely horrible

[broken spoke]

If it don't prime, sure

Aphro has other boon i rather pick than that too

It is not against nothing, it always compete with something

[slim plover]

ig

[surreal hazel]

Compare to axe combo with iirc is 70, 90, 160

Adding a bit of power to that doesn't change much.

[slim plover]

fair

[surreal hazel]

If you want base power modifiers, secret crush is also utterly humbled by slow cooker

Since crush affects just basic attack

[slim plover]

is slow cooker actually any good?

[surreal hazel]

Cooker does all weapon strikes

[slim plover]

oh i can see how that would be good

[surreal hazel]

Again better on rapid weapons, same logic

[slim plover]

yeah true

[surreal hazel]

and it doesn't prime anything, doesn't worry about rarity, and can go much much bigger than crush

the only issue it has is that It doesn't actually pair very well with Flame Strike and Flourish

[slim plover]

i suppose but you don't really get a lot of flame thingies per run anyway usually

[surreal hazel]

since to get big power modifiers to really pop off, you want to combine then with big +% modifiers, since the effect compounds

[broken spoke]

It actually work weirdly well with them, they prefer fast attack and slow cooker also prefer fast attack

[surreal hazel]

Fire is about as common as everything else, hermes underserves it a bit I guess since he has one (But boy it's a good boon)

[slim plover]

which one is it

[surreal hazel]

kinda, but they're not compounding

[surreal hazel]

Travel Deal

[slim plover]

oh right yea that one is really good

[surreal hazel]

utterly disgusting boon

[broken spoke]

They synergise in weird way and there is enough global damage to boost both

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's not wrong

[broken spoke]

Don't underestimate your base weapon damage even when you are using scorch

[surreal hazel]

and it's certainly not the weirdest infusion/god pairing

(Hello Air Quality, fancy seeing you here)

[broken spoke]

At least air quality work with static shock....ig

[surreal hazel]

Demeter loves her some quality air, Zeus has it mostly as a relic of earlier EA

[slim plover]

air quality actually has some niche case uses like static shock

[surreal hazel]

that's the only use it has left, he used to have a lot more but they reworked storm ring and thunder dash

Zeus would absolutely love to have Rallying Cry

[broken spoke]

Tbf ares and heph can exchange their infusion

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, I can see why you'd say that

wounds needs all of the +% damage it can get, and it's certainly not getting it from vicious strike/flourish

[slim plover]

if you're using mel daggers and you get the dionysus boon that makes your attacks deal either 5, 55 or 555 damage then air quality becomes really good actually

maybe a niche case but still pretty fun if you ask me

[surreal hazel]

That requires actually getting reckless abandon...

[slim plover]

yeah i suppose but its still a use case

[surreal hazel]

Air Quality is the bandage that stops RA being awful

it's just merely bad with it

[broken spoke]

The only time i pick that is when playing Hel

While having air quality

[slim plover]

can you block hecates transform projectile with coats blocking?

[surreal hazel]

the darkside projectiles or the expanding ring?

oh wait, twilight curse? I don't think so

[slim plover]

the projectile that turns you into a critter

[surreal hazel]

Frinos can, but that's about it

[slim plover]

sad

[broken spoke]

Night bloom can also block that

[surreal hazel]

yeah, that's true

[slim plover]

tbf if you outrun it for long enough it despawns but that's easier said than done when doing rivals

[surreal hazel]

just kills your summon, amusingly

[surreal hazel]

Outrunning it is a loser's game, there's a rhythm to dodging through it

[broken spoke]

Frigid rush in my pocket

[surreal hazel]

the homing ability of the projectiles is switched off while mel is invuln during a dash

[slim plover]

yeah thats more or less what i meant but either way you're wasting time that might be quite valuable

but yes there is a pattern to dodging it

[surreal hazel]

yeah, it's annoying for that

speedrun strat of just eating the projectile asap to get it over with

also, stupid fact, air quality will boost the damage you do as a sheep to 50, if you somehow have it active by then

[slim plover]

yes

pretty funny actually

rat with 50 dmg per hit is quite fun icl

imagine if you could just play the game as critters i wonder how speedrunning would be like

[surreal hazel]

gnaw on the trees to make them explode

it's how you get that achievement

[broken spoke]

Idk how you get air quality active that early tho

[slim plover]

yeah i did that a while back by accident

[broken spoke]

Chaos boon?

[surreal hazel]

Epic Creation from chaos

[slim plover]

ive actually gotten it active one itme without chaos boon

i THINK

i could be mistaken but im pretty sure i had a run that either had it active or had it / had the prerequisites to get it

the latter is probably more likely

either way i do know its possible to get it active in erebus without chaos

[surreal hazel]

you'd need to be running Aphrodite/apollo/zeus to reasonably hope to get 5 air by then

(Ugh I wish Aphrodite's elements made sense)

[slim plover]

yep cloud bangle and then just hop you get like 5 boons in a row lmao

[slim plover]

i feel like most of her boons should be air or fire idk

i dont get why they are water

[broken spoke]

Getting that many boon in erebus?

[surreal hazel]

I'm cool with her being water/air, just.... there's no theming as to which boons get which

[digital juniper]

i think poseidon’s don’t make sense

[surreal hazel]

Apollo, it's easy: If it makes something bigger, it's air, otherwise it's fire

[broken spoke]

You don't want to know either

[digital juniper]

surely he’d be fire

[slim plover]

wdym

i do in fact want to know it makes no sense

[surreal hazel]

Hepheastus is also easy: Offensive/kaboom boons are fire, defensive boons are earth

demeter: does it freeze/gust them? Water. Otherwise; earth

[broken spoke]

Hera is whatever she like

[surreal hazel]

Hera and Hermes are all over the place

haven't got enough boons each to even form a theme

[slim plover]

vow of menace is so odd

it feels so jarring to see a bawlder in oceanus but doesnt even cross my mind when i see harpies in the first region of surface

[surreal hazel]

Bawlder and yellow shades as actual encounter enemies is weird

Auto-Forcer on a tiny ship coming at you like General Grievous is... a problem

[broken spoke]

Big robot in tiny ship

[slim plover]

also maybe wrong channel but why do field enemies that arent part of the fights stay docile unless you specifically hit them or get right in their face

[surreal hazel]

that's the idea

[regal cobalt]

i used poseidons keepsake and went for every poseidon boon i could, made sure i filled the reqs and i still didnt get his legendary.

how long is this going to take !!!!

[slim plover]

holy shiva damage it just dealt 4k with a crit on oattack

[surreal hazel]

they're lone sorrowful shades that are just there

they're never spawned in the aggro'd state

[regal cobalt]

finally fulfilled sword of the night atleast

[slim plover]

the fates is worth getting in arcana right

i feel like the extra money is really nice especially if you're running debt

[surreal hazel]

if you're running rerolls generally, sure, take the whole corner

[slim plover]

yeah, why would you ever not run rerolls though

[surreal hazel]

room rerolls are more worth it than you think once you understand the mechanics

[broken spoke]

Endgame keepsake make non reroll strong

[surreal hazel]

Why, that'd take some kind of overpowered keepsake that requires you to not have any rerolls to work

if only there were like, 3 of them

[vernal quiver]

Jpom

[slim plover]

zag hades and chronos keepsake dont feel too strong

[vernal quiver]

Wtf

[surreal hazel]

Zag's, yeah okay, maybe not

[vernal quiver]

+4 to everything is busted

[broken spoke]

+3 level is insane

[surreal hazel]

Jewlled pom is bonkers busted

[slim plover]

im not very knowledgeable chill out i only have 100 hours

[vernal quiver]

And chrolex gives infinite money basically

[slim plover]

i struggle with 32 heat

[vernal quiver]

Only?? 😭😭😭

[slim plover]

yes dude

for a game like this thats not a lot of time

[surreal hazel]

+3 poms to everything kinda redefines the entire boon tierlist

[slim plover]

i took my time and enjoyed the story

[regal cobalt]

in h1? or do u mean h2

[slim plover]

h2 mb lmao

fear not heat 😭

[surreal hazel]

and you just take those grasp points and dump them into other things

[vernal quiver]

Free +4 makes everything epic at baseline basically

[surreal hazel]

just... don't worry about losing The Queen, there's no way to keep that

[regal cobalt]

i was gonna say i think everyone struggles with h1 32 heat 😭

[broken spoke]

Not only extra level but also extra grasp

[vernal quiver]

It makes ares and heph actually viable and everyone else becomes stupid strong

[surreal hazel]

+3, Level 4 boons are 1+3

[regal cobalt]

unless u run judgement !

[vernal quiver]

Display says +4 twin 🥀

[regal cobalt]

[slim plover]

i feel like as a base line h2 is harder but when you factor in fear and heat h2 gets quite a lot harder

[surreal hazel]

That risks breaking fate's whim after every boss

[regal cobalt]

yeah but fear also goes a lot higher than heat so theres more room for variation

[vernal quiver]

No h1 heat is harder than h2 fear, max heat has been done by 3 people, max fear has been by like 7-8 people

[broken spoke]

Judgment won't get reroll arcana on fw

[regal cobalt]

true, and judgement is kinda bad anyway

[surreal hazel]

innnnnteresting

[slim plover]

is the queen even important to care about if you are running rerolls to begin with

[regal cobalt]

unless u really dont mind whats coming

[regal cobalt]

no

[slim plover]

judgement is just a meme

[surreal hazel]

If you're not running rerolls, this is

[vernal quiver]

H1 heat also gets rid of your dash, and you only get 1 boon from a selection, forced purge, its actually ridiculous

[broken spoke]

Queen just bad

[surreal hazel]

Judgement exists to make void 3 not absolute hell

[broken spoke]

Because the requirements

[regal cobalt]

i barely made it through 16 for the achievement, kinda wanna do another h1 play through after i finish h2 but its gonna feel so much harder

[surreal hazel]

Approval Process is goddawful, yeah

Denial is a much better implementation of that same idea

[vernal quiver]

As much as im stupid close to clearing max fear, im never touching max heat with a 10ft pole

[regal cobalt]

r the things u get from the mixer the same thing u get in h1 from the guy in hades' chambers

[slim plover]

heinous affront is a lot of fun its really sad they only have 2 revenge boons

[regal cobalt]

agree

[surreal hazel]

4

[broken spoke]

Actually 3 revenge boon technically

[surreal hazel]

and you're missing the best one, probably

[slim plover]

2 that matter pretty sure

divine vengeance and light smite

[regal cobalt]

^?

[slim plover]

ares revenge boon is just completely useless

[surreal hazel]

Unseen Ire is procced

[slim plover]

whats that?

[surreal hazel]

You say that, but with grisly gain as well it's just blood pinata

[broken spoke]

Lmao that proc by the duo?

[surreal hazel]

Yep!

[slim plover]

is that medea

[surreal hazel]

Hades boon that makes you go dark when hit

[regal cobalt]

love that

and u deal +70% during that right

[surreal hazel]

Technically Self Healing is also a revenge boon

[slim plover]

right, does it go on cooldown like it normally does

[surreal hazel]

but that only matters for Consequence on Night Bloom

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, does all of the usual stuff

[slim plover]

ah alright

they should make heinous affront proc malice in kind

just saying 🤷

[surreal hazel]

They should make it proc Tough Gain but they don't

[slim plover]

they should just add more revenge boons

[surreal hazel]

nah, H1 had too many

[regal cobalt]

any recs for a nergal uw run? i finally maxed it out so im gonna try to do the prophecy run

[slim plover]

maybe but i still think h2 has too little

[surreal hazel]

boons that focus on doing stuff when you're playing badly aren't good design

(Ah, Critical Miss, you were so dumb)

[slim plover]

yea but h1 didn't have heinous affront

[surreal hazel]

yes it did

[slim plover]

it had the auto revenge

[surreal hazel]

it had Vengeful Mood

[slim plover]

yea but that didnt work on your attacks it worked automatically for whatever reason

[surreal hazel]

still a lot of design space occupied for one duo

[broken spoke]

On one hand i want heinous become better, on the other hand i don't want to see revenge boon appear

[slim plover]

yea true

infernal arms are more fun than arms of the night

[regal cobalt]

tbh i disagree

[slim plover]

why

[broken spoke]

Well I like bow and rail in h1

[slim plover]

bro might like ranged weaons

[regal cobalt]

with the arms of night ifl all of them are good and playable, but in h1 there are only a couple weapons and even fewer aspects that actually feel fun and good to play/managable

[broken spoke]

But i like more h2 weapon

[regal cobalt]

not at anypoint with h2 weapons have i felt like "im never gonna use this again this is annoying" which i have felt several times with h1 weapons

[broken spoke]

And even weapon I don't like (axe and blade) has aspect i like (charon and morrigan)

[regal cobalt]

yeah

[slim plover]

guys neurotic affluence, in 4 encounters ill get +170% more money do i risk rerolling for an attack boon which would benefit me a lot, running shiva

erebus

[surreal hazel]

H2 weapons have omegas and the aspects are much more diverse

[slim plover]

yea but they arent as cool as imo

[surreal hazel]

take the money

[regal cobalt]

i love omegas, + h1 cast is a joke

[broken spoke]

H1 cast boon is more fun ngl

[surreal hazel]

Having boxing gloves or having boxing gloves strapped to a homing missile launcher. I dunno man, I kinda like homing missiles

[broken spoke]

Demeter laser, ares blade

And various cast aspect

[surreal hazel]

the binding circle is a much more interesting framework to build boons around

[slim plover]

i guess but somehow talos manages to be more fun than selene and nyx and gilgamesh is much more fun than shiva imo

[broken spoke]

H2 cast boon is circle with different color

[regal cobalt]

ares blade was the only good one, unless u got demeters laser that follows the enemy, otherwise it was pretty buns too

[surreal hazel]

it's a rework of the Arthur Hallowed Ground, but it's a good one

[broken spoke]

They are bun indeed, but more fun

Base cast suck tho

[regal cobalt]

idk for me if it sucks it cant be all that fun

[surreal hazel]

Both Crystal and blade shot needed artemis duos to actually aim properly

[regal cobalt]

this

i do however like the call mechanic in h1 more than h2

[surreal hazel]

Lasers were fun, they should remake that into a hex you can just use and maybe infuse with Apollo's light

[slim plover]

seeing oceanus enemies come out the floor with water effects as if they came out from water in erebus is quite jarring as well

[surreal hazel]

Wait until you see a typhon spawn just crawl out of the ground on Olympus and just deck you

[slim plover]

wait till you see typhon deck you in erebus 😢

[regal cobalt]

why does homer monologue for AGES after chronos fight

[digital juniper]

sounds vaguely familiar

[flint widget]

maybe they should make that a thing in hades 2 hm

[regal cobalt]

YES I BEAT RIVALS PROM FIRST TRY

HAH

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, might be pretty cool

Random question in case anyone has done this

what does Exceptional Talent do with Morrigan omega attack?

[distant condor]

Any good way to dodge rival hecate's poly shots?

[surreal hazel]

use the frog, but yeah, there's a method

[distant condor]

Was onyl able to do it once when i had the less enemy projectile speed thing from hermes

[distant condor]

But eagle...

[surreal hazel]

basically you have a slow, medium and fast ball right? the trick is to always dash in the opposite direction each time, such that the faster balls overshoot more but catch up to the slow one each time you make them all spin around, you're dashing through them in about the same place each time

Of course this all goes out the window if Hecate is using Lunar ray or the boomerang spam

[vernal quiver]

Eh lunar ray or waves you can still do the same way just pay attention

[distant condor]

So what im hearing, its easier to just take the poly and dodge for like 10 seconds

[surreal hazel]

definitely hard mode

[vernal quiver]

What i do is dash through it twice, sprint away until it splits then when they get dash through constantly until its gone

Since if you dash through it for a 3rd time before it splits the balls tweak out and get ya

[flint widget]

tbh they're ez

[vernal quiver]

Loses Hella time

[distant condor]

I currently dont use the time fear thingy

[flint widget]

the other ones hitstun u if they hit u thus making mel get sheeped

[vernal quiver]

Imo the hardest is lowkey the big circles

[flint widget]

exactly

[vernal quiver]

Sometimes they just say f you

Everything else feels reasonable

Or just get epic blinding rush and outrun or any frigid rush and invalidate it entirely

[distant condor]

Btw does the reduced healing thing affect all sources of healing? (Including fountains)

[vernal quiver]

Yes

[distant condor]

So every hitpoint matters if you max it out

[vernal quiver]

Uh huh

[flint widget]

there are exceptions tho

[vernal quiver]

Most clean 62+ runs get hit only a few times

[flint widget]

ghost onion, dds, self healing etc

[distant condor]

Dds?

[flint widget]

death defiances

[distant condor]

Oh

Wait self healing isnt affected?

[flint widget]

yeah

[distant condor]

So does it just affect food and fountains?

[flint widget]

and wayward son healing yeah

[flint widget]

oh yeah also chaos revival

even on max scars revival still gives u hp

the goat chaos reward

[vernal quiver]

Shoutout chaos

[unreal rose]

Chaos giving me 16 hp after every combat with scars 3

[vernal quiver]

(He will then give me 3 useless benefits for using attack, special, or cast dealing damage)

[vernal quiver]

Basically trusty shield 2 ong

[flint widget]

istg whoever invented the (insert number)% chance of finding 100% resources reward needs to get executed

[unreal rose]

This should be disabled at some point yeah because it's just useless

When you take Embryo and get the resources bonus

[surreal hazel]

Barren Discovery, my goat

goat as in, ass

If it actually interacted with Plentiful Forage then Maybe.

But as it is that boon is a dead draw with scars

[vernal quiver]

Sgg let me remove selene from the pool and other healing boons on scars 3 and my life is yours 🙏

It'd be awfully ruining of the high fear environment but it'd be so funny

[surreal hazel]

You'll take your Moon Water medicine and like it, mister!

(Or miss)

[vernal quiver]

Atp I take moonwater regardless cuz its funny

Not like im gonna use any other hex on circe past 62 and even on 62 ill forget i have them

[surreal hazel]

Because Tribulation is the best thing?

[vernal quiver]

Ong(i will never take a path of stars willingly)

[surreal hazel]

I'm actually now fascinated about how Tribulation even works

it triggers all revenge boons... what does that even mean?

the wiki implies that it triggers them all on nearby enemies

...The wiki might be lying, it looks like it targets whoever last hit mel, or failing that, the closest

well that's lame

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

SUB 13 62F WITH DRESS KEPT

[chilly vale]

selene is free iframes (trust)

[grim current]

Isn't she?

I do like Wolf Howl.

So too Lunar Ray (provided I get one +10 upgrade).

There's no armor emoji in this server.

[mossy fog]

What are the best boones for aspect of Anubis ?

[viral yew]

pos or hestia attack, hera/apollo special

[grim current]

Damn. The first time I got a Pom from Artificer with a Fates' Whim build. That stung.

[surreal hazel]

Hera attack is definitely not bad on anubis

in fact more stuff works than you think it should, Flutter strike is a bit questionable though

Volcanic strike is terrible until it isn't

[digital juniper]

volcanic is pretty funny on anubis once you get the CD down

anvil ring at home but instead it’s better

[opaque dew]

Besides "It depends" what do people prefer on dash, I'm pretty okay with any move speed boosting ones and I like poseidon and Hera as well, I'm not too sure about any of the other damaging/status inflicting dash boons

sometimes i'll take them just to fill the slot but I'm asking what to people prioritize in a dash boon

[digital juniper]

99% of cases i'd want apollo sprint. Movement speed is great and its a very consistent status applicator

otherwise demeter sprint is also very good defensively. Hera rush is good but if I have hera in the pool there's a very likely chance I already have her on attack/special, so double dipping on hitch isnt all that

[opaque dew]

so basically any utility sprint > damage is what im getting, I do like poseidons just because it feels like you get a displacement which is helpful when you're playing a melee focused build (although it might feel more like they're getting knocked away from hitting you than actually reducing your likelihood of being hit)

hera rush feels like an easier applicator, some weapons I wont bother doing attack or special for hitch so it just feels like cast or sprint is the way

[grim current]

Hephastus' Rush boon is good too, if only because it can also interact with Furnace Blast (Hephastus blasts apply the 'Glow' curse). It's not spectacular in DMG compared to his Strike/Flourish boons. Go figure.

But I overcomplicate things.

Rush boons that apply curses > DMG-oriented Rush boons.

[digital juniper]

in most cases i would prefer utility over damage yes, but it also depends on aspect

[digital juniper]

what weapons would those be that you’re not using your attacks or specials?

[opaque dew]

i just meant weapons that are more "single target"

like on mel staff I know the attack is an aoe but it's still pretty contained

and the special only hits one, on torches hitch special is amazing

[grim current]

Well, the Witch's Staff's special has splash DMG instead of strikethrough.

[digital juniper]

hera special on mel staff is still pretty good because it’s a high %, and in a lot of cases you would be able to hit multiple enemies with moving around to not get hit and such

but i understand where you’re coming from

[grim current]

But yeah. Its special is better at AoE DMG.

[opaque dew]

yea i do know that, it's just im not taking it for hitch tho, also might be the way i play but i definitely dont use the omega special too often

[digital juniper]

yeah i don’t touch ospecial much on mel staff either

dash strike->special and repeat

[grim current]

Come to think of it, I might say special is the best AoE source of DMG when it's so versatile.

[opaque dew]

i will if i have time to charge but in large scrambles im basically not unless im luring

anyways back to the dash boons, we can all agree ares is ass right lmao

[grim current]

How embarrassing.

I meant cast.

cast is likely the best AoE source of DMG across all 6 weapons due to its versatility.

[opaque dew]

Ill basically ignore omegas outside of the weapon but im just a lowly 32f player

Like im more likely to omega cast if im on a weapon that i use ospecial or o attack a lot, mostly for mana drain too if i have a hex

(I just got 1 32f clear)

[grim current]

Hum. While I've gotten all Gifts of the Veil, I only regularly so a mere 12 Fear. I didn't know I was our of my league.

[opaque dew]

Im mostly kidding tho, i just activate different parts of my brain for different weapons

I dont think base omega cast is worth prioritizing unless im using it for mana burn though i think

I just let the boon on it damage lol

Cuz charge time on omega cast sometimes gets me taking a hit so otherwise i dont see a benefit unless its buffed up

[grim current]

Huh. I love cast. It has a fast channel speed & can continue to be channeled between dashes.

[opaque dew]

Its all situational and im sure theres time omega cast is more efficient but i just get hit too much charging it so i dont prio it

Its v usseful on low health mobs like the fishies in underworld

[flint widget]

yeah omega cast sucks unless its charon or u have winners circle

[opaque dew]

Charon?

[flint widget]

the axe aspect

[alpine raft]

id omega cast on something like hel to get huntress on

[opaque dew]

OH, my bad was thinking of the shop

I mean i think most people just omega something to activate huntress and then i just leave it

[grim current]

It's so many a time my casts are the top sources of DMG between my runs.

[scarlet ferry]

Just started a 32f surface Mel coat run. I was hoping for Zeus, Poseidon, or Hestia on attack but my Ephyra gods are Ares, Hephaestus, Apollo, and Aphrodite....

Who should I take for attack? Already have Ares on special

[fiery kraken]

you could leave attack till 2nd zone I suppose? I personally would grab apollo (hoping for dash and gain, settle for cast), and heph (hoping for recurring shield, settle for cast)

[scarlet ferry]

I was thinking Aphro gain since I wont be using omega moves really

[fiery kraken]

aphro gain is viable for sure

[scarlet ferry]

I took Apollow cast though in the second room before the big open one

[fiery kraken]

I really like apollo daze (and has 2x attack boon)

and I like heph's defense

[scarlet ferry]

(First big room choice was epic quick buck from Hermes and then Reaper Frame hammer)

[fiery kraken]

so aphro is 3rd priority for me

I'm not an expert though

my style is very defensive since I'm not as comfortable with my boss fighting

[scarlet ferry]

welp already in her boon decision. Either rare attack, epic Shamless Attitude, or epic Spiritual Affirmation

[fiery kraken]

I tend to like both demeter and heph in my pool

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah I love Demeter cast

[fiery kraken]

I typically am happy with any freeze, even if it comes at the cost of damage on attack or special

[scarlet ferry]

Got Aphro attack. Last three rooms I'm going for Ares and 2 Apollos

[fiery kraken]

gluck

[scarlet ferry]

Blind Rush lets go 😎

[surreal hazel]

Okay, weird new discovery with Supay: Activating your omega attack normally fires 6 projectiles in total, but increases to normal attack speed increases the number of omega attacks fired

this seems to be because Omega attack activates a fixed time period where all normal attacks are replaced by omega ones, and if you're shooting faster then you can squeeze out more shots in that time

[odd bolt]

So you're saying I should always pick nimble limbs with supay

(half joking)

[surreal hazel]

And grisly gain

because actually yeah supay gets the full effect of attack/special speed modifiers

[odd bolt]

thats funny

[surreal hazel]

Need to test if special speed increases omega special's tick rate, since I think it makes it rotate faster

Conversely. Channelling speed modifiers aren't particularly amazing for supay since the autofire doesn't stop when channelling

[fiery kraken]

so this is my arcana loadout as I'm pushing fear (currently attempting 55f with max scars)
After discovering that max scars makes ghost onion bug and not heal the last 5 because of wayward son, I can turn off wayward son, but is it worth turning something else off to get anything on?

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[odd bolt]

max scars makes gonion bug with wayward son???

i did my 62 with wayward son

😭 and used gonion

[fiery kraken]

I noticed when I was down 100hp and took onion, it only healed 95, and the last 5 never healed

I'm assuming it is coded to take into account other "door healing" first

[grim current]

Calling Card can't rarify Chaos boons?

[spiral wadi]

nah

prob cuz heroic can only be arcana-less curse

[umbral horizon]

How about ospecial? Spin faster?

[viral yew]

Ospecial doesn't spin faster with buffs to normal special

[odd bolt]

#h2-victory-boasting message it worked

(it was so bad actually)

[grim current]

Does Circe synergize with Hestia's Ring boon?

[broken spoke]

2 ring mean stack faster

Scorch still tick down at same rate

With pyro technique it is very good

[viral yew]

Everything but pos and ares

[vernal quiver]

And hera lowkey I wouldnt ever put hera cast on it

[grim current]

How does Hera's Ring boon work?

It deals x DMG to all foes within the Cast's range, x being the amount of enemies are in the Cast when summoned?

[broken spoke]

More enemy more dmg

Add hitch in mix and deleting entire group

Bossing dmg suck tho

[grim current]

So yeah. I did understand it.

[grim current]

Except Unrivaled Scylla, I suppose.

[viral yew]

Even rival scylla would suck with it

[grim current]

What happens if I equip a ranged Cast boon that the Familiar's Cast & my cast are summoned at different times?

Does that allow a long enough interval for Poseidon's Ring boon's Splash DMG's 0.15s cooldown to expend?

[broken spoke]

Well as long as it is not lightning lance

Because that is pretty much instant too

[grim current]

Lightning Lance, Howling Soul, Glowing Coal, &... alcohol mortar.

I forgot what it was called.

[broken spoke]

Tipsy shot

[grim current]

I wonder how Demeter's laser Cast back in Hades 1 could be translated Hades 2.

Apollo would probably reappropriate it.

[broken spoke]

Lunar ray with one of purple node

[spiral wadi]

ye

[grim current]

Radical.

Since Hecuba follows the player so closely, I found use with the ranged Cast boons.

[viral yew]

I would never take hecuba for circe

Always raki or gale

[grim current]

I figured I had enough CR with the Night Arcana.

Attack & Special are pretty similar to me, so it wasn't at all hard to maintain the CR.

[vernal quiver]

Night cycling on circe is a waste of time

You're better off priming out and just doing dash attack -> special or dash attack -> attack -> special

You take night just to turn on moon

[grim current]

Do regular attacks really manage to outpace attack & special?

[bronze flax]

On Circe? Yeah. I like to use Omega Cast builds from time to time but on Circe it just feels more effective use Attack and Special. It's that safe to do

[viral yew]

Yeah, staff omegas are kinda buns most of the time, it's stronger to just ignore them and dash strike special the whole time

[grim current]

Dang.

The only exception, then, is Anubis?

[halcyon forge]

does the steam effect from Poseidon and Hestia's duo override Scorch?

Like, applying frost with Demeter's duo wouldnt detonate it right

[grim current]

1. Steam replaces Froth, not Scorch.
2. "Fire effects" include non-Scorch DMG sources.

[flint widget]

yes

[viral yew]

Yep

[flint widget]

it's only really omega attack that's really worth it to pull out tho

[grim current]

What's the power level of Anubis compared to the others?

[flint widget]

it's literally the early access cast brought back lmao

[viral yew]

Slightly behind circe

[grim current]

Had a bunch of fun the one time I did use it.

[viral yew]

Ospecial anubis is really good

[flint widget]

early access cast held down bosses

[grim current]

Alrighty. Guess I'm maining the hot wolf god of the dead.

-# Someone's already made that joke, haven't they?

[flint widget]

now they don't but anubis omega attack brought that back

i remember trapping cerby in the omega attack and bro couldn't move at all

[grim current]

I would understand Casts don't even slightly reduce boss movement speed let alone bind them in the circle?

[flint widget]

yeah

[viral yew]

I remember when they used to

Those were the days

[grim current]

Ah, Supergiant experiemented with that.

[flint widget]

yeah but i don't like it cuz it gets me hit a lot of times in 62f

[vernal quiver]

I wish they still did since then I wouldn't be terrified of the fast yell scylla

[flint widget]

play anubis then

[vernal quiver]

God no

[flint widget]

u get dollar store ea cast

[vernal quiver]

Im a circe one trick and will stand by that

[grim current]

I'm not too impressed with Momus.

[flint widget]

git gud then

[grim current]

In terms of fun level, I specify.

Setting up turrets for them to miss.

At least that what it looks like at first impressions.

I don't remember much when I did use it to complete the Prophecy.

[flint widget]

it only really pops off when u have mirrored thrasher and cross cataclysm

[broken spoke]

Heph legendary is fun with it

[grim current]

Ah. That's when their attack interval is small enough to get the full 3 blasts, yes?

I guess that might be a fun goal next time Grave Thirst hits the Witch's Staff.

[broken spoke]

Heph legendary give +1 level which make momus interval 1 sec

[meager bramble]

Any tips for my new player friends against Eris? I've told them what I remember (stay close and behind her as much as possible) but they're looking for more

[viral yew]

Play around the pillars

[meager bramble]

Ooooh yeah, great call! Thanks!

[vernal quiver]

If shes shotgunning dont be afraid to just back off

[opaque dew]

I swear the boar with 3 shadows is harder than anything in a regular run besides vow of rivals 💀

[spark crown]

Pray

[thin gazelle]

Use your dash well! You’ve only got 1

You don’t want to be caught without it

The invincibility frames provided can be used to avoid the strong, single shots if timed well

[surreal hazel]

It "worked"

[flint widget]

ok it's time to grind out mel axe 62f ew

i hate axe with every single cell in my body

unless it's nergal with psychic whirlwind then it's good

charon too but early game sucks

[surreal hazel]

Mel axe doesn't feel good

thanatos at least feels nice to use

[flint widget]

it feels good when it has dashing heave but base mel axe sucks

same thing with charon on high fear early game

u can afford 3 omega specials

meanwhile there are like one billion enemies

with max wards and hordes

oh and don't forget that's the first wave

[uncut owl]

need mel axe and frinos for ultimate tank build

https://tenor.com/view/walking-buffed-doge-smash-meme-gif-9813473391498755760

[surreal hazel]

Even with that I disagree, you have one move out of like, 6 that feels good

[hollow briar]

You could, for science, take Void II over Wards if you start malding over waveclear. I’m about to do a run with that tomorrow to see

[flint widget]

nah

[spark crown]

that works

[umbral horizon]

And water fitness, spiritual affirmation, sea star

[uncut owl]

Then the heph boon and worry fee

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/20kXksn

Bet I blow you guys out of the water

[viral yew]

I played nearly 400

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah but did you get the game in September

[flint widget]

i have over 587 hours

majority of that was in 1.0

i think my playtime day before 1.0 released was like

220-250 i think?

so i have more hours than u even in 1.0

[dreamy veldt]

🥺

[vernal quiver]

I just broke 200

Only like ~170 was 1.0 and ~30 was pre warsong

[flint widget]

200 hours player clears 67f

goddamn im ass

[dreamy veldt]

Dw my highest is 32

[vernal quiver]

Not yet twin 🥀

Tomorrow tho trust, I have Thursday off of work so the grind resumes

[flint widget]

nah u will clear it

[fiery kraken]

if it says "my attack can hit 2x" does that include dash strike?

and if I'm using circe, it's bad that my attack ends up on the damage board (7k) right? That means I wasn't doing my dash strike (some reasonable number) combo

just cleared 55f for the first time!

super defense - demeter attack, trusty shield, I spent 7 dds overall I think? (3, one bought, athena refresh)

[surreal hazel]

...Extra dose perchance?

[fiery kraken]

the apollo boon, I don't actually know the names

[surreal hazel]

yeah, so yes, unless you're using the Coat

which might not on dash strike, maybe

no wait, it can too, just a bit more complex in the script

yeah, dash strike is all good for extra dose

[fiery kraken]

so when hammers/boons specify "attack" it applies to both standing attack or dash strike, whereas "attacks" applies to standing attack, dash strike, and oattack ?

[surreal hazel]

that.... is less clear

[fiery kraken]

my statement is not clear? or the generalization is not accurate?

[surreal hazel]

Attacks is both attack and omega, attack is uhhh. sometimes inclusive of dash strike

usually

the suit is a good example there, Melting Cross says your attack does +250 damage to armour, but that doesn't affect dash strike at all

[fiery kraken]

ok

so it's case by case basis.

[surreal hazel]

sadly so

it mostly means dash strike is included

[scarlet quiver]

I’ve done it

[viral yew]

Done what?

[scarlet quiver]

For the past few days I’ve been researching hades 2 boons and how exactly they stack with each other to figure out one thing, how to make the true big bonk Mel axe a reality

As my previous attempts were in vain tbh

[viral yew]

Right

[scarlet quiver]

So yeah

Im on a goal to make big bonk the best bonk

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/2G0u6wu

Like this kind of build? Or we talking hell splitter

[fiery kraken]

does the extra dose credit the 2nd attack damage to attack? That might explain why my attack damage was so high on the victory screen

[surreal hazel]

yes, it's just another attack

[viral yew]

Obviously yes

[scarlet quiver]

Hell splitter with executioners chop ofc

[surreal hazel]

similarly, "Hitch" never appears on your damage board

it's credited to whatever hitch chained from

[viral yew]

I could never, it'd be so slow

[scarlet quiver]

But I just love the big bonk, like add some Apollo, maybe a sprinkle of heph, bridal glow I think is what it’s called for the heroic Apollo attack and the just more I’ve got to work in

But for me, it’s all I could ever ask for

[fiery kraken]

even if it's a second attack on my dash strike?

[viral yew]

Ah well I hate axe in general, so good luck

[surreal hazel]

then it's dash-strike

[scarlet quiver]

Dang

[viral yew]

It's not a different kind of attack

[scarlet quiver]

Axe is what got me my first few wins

[fiery kraken]

ok, so then my attack damage being so high is probably a weakness - it means I'm not doing my dash strike special combo properly

[surreal hazel]

why?

[viral yew]

The weapon is fine I just hate playing it

[surreal hazel]

if it worked, it worked

[scarlet quiver]

Welp, I’ve got to get back to trying to craft it into the highest one hit damage source in the game

So wish me luck everyone! Toodles

[viral yew]

Won't be as high as shiva

[scarlet quiver]

What’s shivas

[viral yew]

Have you unlocked hidden aspects yet?