h2-builds-and-combat

[spark crown]

????????

[mellow hound]

according to him

he asked if surfing was a male dominat sport?

how is it possible u took that wrongly?

[spark crown]

why does that matter thats weird af

[flint widget]

i think u guys should take this to dms this is not h2 build related

[viral yew]

Yeah i'm reporting to the mods, done with this

[edgy nacelle]

yeah I think we can uh. probably move on
litigating what exactly happened isn't important, I wish him luck getting his account back tho

[tall notch]

Didn't Poseidon have a boon called high surf or something like that

[spark crown]

we dont want another faker situation where we get yelled at

[flint widget]

you have a point

[edgy nacelle]

speaking of h2 builds, what are you up to nowadays? ik you cleared two big milestones recently

[spark crown]

i think it was called low glide

[small wyvern]

There’s no point in arguing this, you can either take it to DMs or keep it out of the channel otherwise. If someone’s account got deleted because of something they said it’s not anyone else’s fault, and we as moderators of this server but not of discord as a whole can do nothing about it

[broken spoke]

High surf is such a funny boon

[flint widget]

trying to get a 62f surface speedrun

sub 15 ideally

[small wyvern]

so like
How are yall already doing max fear. Appropriately you are scaring me

[spark crown]

is highsurf effected by kingtide and arterial spray?

[broken spoke]

Sometimes feel like high surf does nothing then somehow hitting top 4 damage

[viral yew]

I've sent you a dm

[flint widget]

whos yall

[spark crown]

im running 60f i was doing 15f like a month ago XD

[flint widget]

we are not doing max fear

[tall notch]

62 isn't max fear, 67 is

[viral yew]

I've only done 62

[edgy nacelle]

max fear is scary I could never 🙃
62 however is okay at least
but tbh the scariest person here is metal, in terms of pure willpower

[spark crown]

we need to get ad in on the deep buildchat lore

WHO HAS THE WHEEL

[viral yew]

LMFAO

[flint widget]

best 67 attempt i got died at hec cuz im ass

[edgy nacelle]

tried to jump directly to 60 after a personal best of 15 purely because someone was kinda homophobic in chat? icon behavior. also terrifying, I could never, fear is (aptly) scary

[viral yew]

I don't even get mad at metal for his takes cause dude is literally made of metal

Feels absolutely no pain

[edgy nacelle]

tbh the only metal takes I get horrified by are when he's making his own life harder
and that's because I want him to win

disliking a specific boon/hex? sure, whatever, you don't need it to clear 60 fear
not casting had me worried for the success of his quest

[flint widget]

maybe no casting is the meta

[broken spoke]

I was hoping for that level 1 nergal 60f clear tho

[flint widget]

hes playing 4d chess while we're playing checkers

[small wyvern]

I’m always afeared
But good luck to you all for being very very brave and also god gamers

[flint widget]

were mortal tho not gods

[edgy nacelle]

thank you lol
I'm on break from high fear attempts but when I get back I'll need it

[broken spoke]

Well we are playing as god at least

[flint widget]

half god

[tall notch]

I'm running out of aspects i want to do high fear on

[edgy nacelle]

we can be as godly as Mel is
which iirc is about 75%

[broken spoke]

3/4 god

[flint widget]

do surface now

[edgy nacelle]

how many are left? I made a little tier list the other day of how willing I am to do 62 on each aspect
also you could always learn surface

[tall notch]

Momus, Pan/Arty blades, Mel/Charon axes, Selene/Shiva coats

[edgy nacelle]

ephyra is so fun tho..... idk, I can't dislike anything about surface because I think of ephyra versus erebus and giggle and kick my legs like a middle schooler on the phone with their crush
twirling the little spiral-y phone cord around one finger

ooooooh do charon!! I'm biased but I think charon is a great 62

[flint widget]

also malkin besides my medeez 62f surface speedrun attempts, im currently trying to do charon 62f

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah

[flint widget]

best attempt got to cerby but i undo night cuz i had no orig plus i lost two dds to sirens 💔

[edgy nacelle]

....I should rly play it more, it legally must be my goat because it got my first 62 and first sub-6 but I've played it like. less than 20 times on this save file, out of 560+ runs

[viral yew]

Yeah idk how I feel about charon

[mellow hound]

is it safe to show id? to discord appeal?

[edgy nacelle]

altho part of that is that when I try to use charon it actually goes well
the other axes have way more runs since I don't first try with them as often lol

[broken spoke]

Charon is fun but i don't want play it all the time

[viral yew]

I also never knew you could dash charge the special until like yesterday

[flint widget]

that's crazy

[spark crown]

https://i.imgur.com/NPrhoM8.png heres a old ss

[small wyvern]

Please do not send your ID or any identifying information in this server. Send an appeal with discord.

[mellow hound]

ok

[edgy nacelle]

oh 100%
it's super unique, but also super railroaded in terms of how you play it. really glad it exists but I'd get bored of it if I played it too much. kind of same as supay, but I find charon more fun than supay at baseline

[flint widget]

tbh i hated charon back when i didn't know you can dash while channeling

[viral yew]

I did 40f and speeds before knowing this

[mellow hound]

i meant to discord ofc like it requires an id

[viral yew]

I took all of the damage

[flint widget]

when i discovered it it clicked with me

[edgy nacelle]

also woah I had no idea you didn't know that
I feel like I give that advice a ton

[flint widget]

same thing with moros

[spark crown]

eyyyy i found old build chat wheel https://i.imgur.com/IKL3N9b.png

[flint widget]

used to be certified moros hater back then

[edgy nacelle]

ik back when esca was struggling with charon speeds I sent a clip of charon vs eris as an example, dashing around with it ends up being so fun lol

[tall notch]

You can show your friend's debit card in my DMs and I'll get him unbanned

Or a credit card will do too

[spark crown]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mellow hound]

rlly?

[spark crown]

dont tell him the secret techs

[viral yew]

I was oblivious ig

[edgy nacelle]

no 😭 pls are you joking in response

[flint widget]

bro

theres no way someone is this gullible

[viral yew]

We need to get this guy banned for being under-age too

[spark crown]

you all are too kind

[mellow hound]

ok shes not amod

i checked\

[viral yew]

We love you

[tawny arrow]

How busted can shiva mega punch get?
Idk exactly how they run the numbers behind the scenes
But i figure fully upgraded with max bounces that's 600% damage, now add to that 150% power shot and +100 power world collider and top it off with ares for say +50 power and +50% damage
And now crit that
What numbers are we looking at here

[hollow briar]

Might I suggest an Artemis Spesh build (literally my favorite build to play in the whole game but I swear I’m definitely unbiased)

[flint widget]

(ur still ass btw)

[viral yew]

9-10k+

[flint widget]

platonically ofc

[tawny arrow]

Figured i should post here instead of main

[broken spoke]

Why tho? What over mel blade

[viral yew]

My best is 9k but i've never tried for max

[edgy nacelle]

also never send someone your creditcard info randomly???? that's like. almost always a joke
"want to know your hades 2 name? it's your parents' credit card number as the first name, the expiration date as the middle name, and the three numbers on the back as the last name :) share yours in the comments"
it's a joke about like. scamming

[tawny arrow]

How much hp do bosses have

[viral yew]

Depends, but it can almost one shot things like spawn of typhon

[mellow hound]

ok thx

[edgy nacelle]

at least 2

[viral yew]

Maybe even 3

[edgy nacelle]

now hang on that sounds a little crazy, are you sure

[mellow hound]

i dont even have his info i cant

[tawny arrow]

And is my way of thinking when it comes to damage stacking correct? Or do you have a better method

[viral yew]

Yeah I know i'm feeling daring today

[tawny arrow]

I figure it's either that or wave strike

[viral yew]

Yeah looks ok, go for heph legendary, weed killer, chaos buff, echo double, ares attack, things like that

[spark crown]

fair enough XD

[viral yew]

Oh and you'll need antler

[edgy nacelle]

yeah pretty much
I believe you can double crit with a real crit (artemis) + an ares minicrit
also other stuff like heph legendary and other hammers can stack damage more, or getting latest model from icarus
there are a lot of ways to stack damage 🤷

[spark crown]

ew

[hollow briar]

The amount of crit can be, if done correctly given the plethora of other % modifiers that make Crit have better returns and the backstab % have diminishing returns, pretty strong

[flint widget]

always antler it💯

[tawny arrow]

Ares minicrit as in 200% crit?
And beside that, what mult do real crits give you anyways

[spark crown]

ill say it antler only good if you lean into armour

[viral yew]

300%

[flint widget]

if u use antler you'll get 60f first try on my life

[hollow briar]

Not that Mel Blades isn’t also really strong, do not get me wrong lol, but there’s something to be said for the sheer power output (and shockingly good uptime?) that Arti Specials can give

[viral yew]

I can naked antler chronos and typhon

[edgy nacelle]

real crit is 3x, ares is 2x
also success rate is your friend for any crit fishing build, but that's prob obvious

[viral yew]

Yeah a lot of things have to line up

[spark crown]

well if i get outta erebus i might try it

[edgy nacelle]

the highest universal crit you can get is white antler + cherished heirloom + heroic success rate + ... I guess vital signs from artemis, or pressure points for 100% uptime
but unfortunately that also means you can't rly use mutual destruction from ares, and are stuck with the much lower % on grievous, which also come to think of it has antisynergy with wounds power boost so may not work, hm

[tawny arrow]

Success rate with that artemis boon that works on high health enemies and heph blast
Those were good times

[edgy nacelle]

or does grievous work on the hit that applies wounds...? how does that work

[viral yew]

No clue

[edgy nacelle]

cause ik some things the order of operations surprises me
like nexus rush damage getting hitch chained to other enemies even tho the hit is what applies hitch

[flint widget]

yeah someone beat 67f artemis a few days ago using specials

(trick knives)

[hollow briar]

I mean tbf this is the difference between a Spesh build and a TK build

[tawny arrow]

Talking about order of operations
Does arc flash make it so the omega that triggers blitz also resolves it?

[flint widget]

the trick to beating 67f is that you always knives

[edgy nacelle]

doesn't TK not work with arty crit...? or is that no longer true

[flint widget]

let that sink in

[hollow briar]

It shouldn’t be

[flint widget]

ill go get the victory screen wait

#1217110523091357747 message

here

[hollow briar]

I like the balance of current Spesh a lot and TK does not need to be any stronger LOL

[viral yew]

Why is there a sink in my house

[hollow briar]

No access

[edgy nacelle]

just odd that pan and mel blades both get their aspect bonus with TK and arty doesn't

[broken spoke]

You don't have a sink in your house?

[edgy nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1452066349634424872/image.png?ex=694b18ab&is=6949c72b&hm=c7dcee9436849ebdbe0fa05c35fb0f707a700cfb2ae562f31d8ea4d7954fc7fc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=618

[viral yew]

I had 4, and now there's 5

[flint widget]

you should join the server ngl

[edgy nacelle]

omg it's total eclipse godsent? neat. did they moon beam I wonder

[tawny arrow]

Guys this is killing me i gotta know

[hollow briar]

Which one

[edgy nacelle]

idk 🤷 I don't know much abt arc flash I rarely take it

[tawny arrow]

Lamia doing more damage than cerb????

[flint widget]

hades speedrunning

[edgy nacelle]

speedrun discord
lots of ppl who do speeds and/or high fear are there

I don't chat there as much because I am Intimidated™

but it's a great resource even if you lurk, they have a lot of stuff written down and easily accessible in speed tech

[tawny arrow]

Oh btw one time my morph hex turned lamia into a gyros and instawon the fight

[viral yew]

I don't chat there because it's boring and there is no lore

[hollow briar]

Ah, gotcha. I didn’t know if there was a high Fear server or anything specifically but I guess it makes sense that it’s both rolled into one

[viral yew]

Plus i'm not good enough or fast enough to offer much

[tawny arrow]

Why not? Seems like increasing a main damage dealer by a good % and insta activating would be quite beneficial

[viral yew]

It's fine, just super situational

[edgy nacelle]

insta activating is rarely as important, most builds do 120 damage fast enough to trigger it anyway
and not every build uses omegas

[flint widget]

only time i ever remember taking arc was a blitz attack psychic whirlwind nergal build

[edgy nacelle]

also I just value stuff like double strike and static shock way more
double strike especially, since it's actually multiplicative for blitz instead of just more additive damage%

[flint widget]

exactly

[tawny arrow]

Btw is this considered a speedrunning tech

[edgy nacelle]

plus personally I haven't actually used blitz in a bit...? it's op, but I haven't had it for any of my 62s so far 😅

[edgy nacelle]

not specifically, since it's a fairly low % chance to happen and not reliable
if you happen to get twilight curse then you'd use it cause why not, but idt you'd aim for it specifically in case that happens

plus most any fear speedruns shred minibosses nearly as fast on their own lol
and you can also instakill those minibosses with shocking loss from zeus

[flint widget]

hexes in general kinda suck for speeds

[tawny arrow]

Hades II gyros% speedrun

[flint widget]

only time they're useful is typhon twilight curse to instantly remove the eggs

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah this ^^
tbh curse is one of the better ones tho, like I'd prob use it during a speed for the dracon to stop it from flying out of range while it still has armor. + typhon eggs of course

but usually the damage isn't worth stopping what you're doing to cast it

[flint widget]

might stream sub 6 surface attempts later

surely ill get it today right

[tawny arrow]

How does that work

Takes me 6 mins to pick a door in ephyra

[flint widget]

in game timer pauses when u use the bat cage

a good ephyra exit for me is a sub 1:30

[tawny arrow]

I refuse to cage those poor things

What would batman think

[flint widget]

bro when u use the bat cage you release the bats to get a bird eye view of the city

[tawny arrow]

Yeah but then you put em back in

Do they even get paid at all

[flint widget]

what

[tawny arrow]

Are we violating cthonic employment laws?

[forest hinge]

mannnnnnnnn i had such a godlike Pan build but i died to the TIMER

i haven't died to timer in MONTHS

[tawny arrow]

Or does medea take care of employee management for us

[flint widget]

i never die when i play

cuz when im about to die i undo night

[tawny arrow]

That just sounds like dying with extra steps

[flint widget]

gotta keep my win streak spotless for the learned sage

[tawny arrow]

You peddle falsehoods

He knows

[flint widget]

last time i actually died was like a month ago to prom on 62f

[tawny arrow]

Still have meta progression left so i won't be doing any of that

[plain palm]

Hey, undo night does preserve the seed, which could be useful

[tawny arrow]

Dude i need to preserve your seed

[flint widget]

who undos night and then does the night again

i do that and then reroll the seed

[plain palm]

Too late for that-

[tawny arrow]

That's basically the game's story in a way lol

[tawny arrow]

Yeah we are in a hades 2 forum after all, only makes sense

[tawny arrow]

You live through an unfavorable future so you just go back in time and change a few things
All good now

[vernal quiver]

"preserves the seed" and its the first 2 room rewards because the games seed gen is generative

iirc its the same as h1, to actually get the same seed to a T youd have to mimic actions basically perfectly

[tawny arrow]

Good thing i don't learn from my mistakes

[cursive kindle]

Is there a list showing the most useful way to chooce fear effects for each fear number?

[viral yew]

No, but you can ask for specific fear and we can tell you

[spiral wadi]

just pick out the fear that ur comfortable with

[median anvil]

no but usually you start with the easier stuff like timer, hubris, denial, menace etc

after that it depends on what you're comfortable with

[cursive kindle]

I dont have a specific number im sure i want to try. I want to do a high fear number that is doable for me, so i can feel im cool haha

[spiral wadi]

if ur trying to climb fear up to like 50 or 62, then yea better to get used to vows like timer 3 or denial

[tawny arrow]

Forgot frenzy

[viral yew]

So ur going for 62?

[flint widget]

all these people be getting 62s

we should get 65s instead

[cursive kindle]

I wouldnt say so, i dont think im good enough at the moment to complete a 62 run

[vernal quiver]

gotta get 65s and 67s to seperate yourself now 🥀

[cursive kindle]

You should try a 70 fear run

[median anvil]

62s have become too easy 🥀💔

[vernal quiver]

well if your goal is anything above 32f my recommendation off rip is get used to frenzy2, rivals4, and timer3

[flint widget]

wtf is a 70f run

[spiral wadi]

i've been trying to get moros 65 today but sucked ass therefore moros is ass

[broken spoke]

If you want go high, vor4 frenzy 2 to get used to it as soon as possible

[flint widget]

let me guess

[vernal quiver]

no aspect bonus mel weapons 67 🗣️

[spiral wadi]

forfeit 2

[broken spoke]

67f with level 1 aspect ig

[flint widget]

it adds the secret phase 4 chronos

[cursive kindle]

I was joking. That joke was very funny. Im sure you laughed very loudly when you read it

[flint widget]

as soon as u beat p3 it crashes ur device

[tawny arrow]

I will never ever touch the timer vow

A boyo needs his sweet time y'know

[broken spoke]

This sounds super evil ngl

[flint widget]

and then it installs malware on ur device

[spiral wadi]

there is unironically categories where u run super high fear but timer is 0

[cursive kindle]

A 70 fear run is a 67 fear run with a blindfold and reverse controls (joke)

[flint widget]

blindfolded 62f would go hard ngl

[tawny arrow]

That's what i do but i just call it masochism

[forest hinge]

do hammers like Aetheric Moonshot also affect Momus-copy?

[spiral wadi]

personally i cannot fathom taking that long of a run because being able to clear and fight bosses fast naturally allows u to get thru runs safer

[flint widget]

exactly

plus encounters are ez

[spiral wadi]

ye just don't get like 20 tempii in a room

[flint widget]

unless ur talking about thessaly and olympus

[cursive kindle]

Whats the longest amount of time i can take in max fear timer?

[viral yew]

20

[vernal quiver]

5 minutes a region so 20 minutes the entire run

[spiral wadi]

5 minutes per region, and any leftover time after a region clear is carried over into the next region

[cursive kindle]

That doesnt sound very bad

[vernal quiver]

for UW the chokepoint for timer is erebus, and for surface its olympus

[spiral wadi]

so if ur fast u can go into tart with like 6 to 8 minutes remaining which is very generous

[cursive kindle]

What is a chokepoint?

[vernal quiver]

its easy as hell until you add grit, hoards, wards, return, and forfeit all at once

[vernal quiver]

just a term to describe points in a run that singlehandedly make or break if it works

a bad erebus for UW is just a restart, and its super easy for surface runs to fall apart at olympus

[tawny arrow]

Honestly i think normal rooms take me longer than most bosses ngl
Fighting 50 million armored respawning automatons on thessaly sucks a bit harder than just wailing on some big dog

[flint widget]

don't take return then

[tawny arrow]

I just take everything except for timer

[spiral wadi]

surface is ass dw

[vernal quiver]

be like that one guy doing a no return 65

or was it a no return 62

[spiral wadi]

it's been a month or so since post patch 1, surely surface rework incoming

https://tenor.com/view/cat-on-fire-sitting-edited-on-fire-fire-gif-17645117

[broken spoke]

Nice copium

[spiral wadi]

maybe if they nerf the enemies to not be ass, 0 fear thessaly will have more than 4 enemies

[tawny arrow]

Yeah heph is reworking his great automatons so they can fight the foul invader even better

[spiral wadi]

literally it's too jarring to go back to 0 hordes and seeing thessaly waves have like 2 to 3 enemies

meanwhile hordes 3 suddenly i'm getting 10 satyr cannon dudes at once

[broken spoke]

Icarus hoarding all enemy to unleash on mel

[tawny arrow]

Same with going from frenzy 2 to 0 and seeing the oceanus water serpents just stand in place for 3 mins before attacking

[tawny arrow]

Real af

[vernal quiver]

being able to actually run away from fish and wailers efficiently vs getting swarmed in half a second 🥀

[spiral wadi]

icarus ramping up hordes is why i think his rank 2 hammer should work on all hammers

give me +2 hidden helix

[tawny arrow]

Frenzy 2 shadowspiller chilling in his fog watching his 50 respawning wailers chasing me faster than hermes himself could

What's up with shadowspiller anyways
Probably my least favorite miniboss

[vernal quiver]

i genuinley hate that goddamn boss its so obnoxious

idk how they managed to give erebus some of the worst minibosses minus the thorn one that guy is fine

[spiral wadi]

i used to do a strat for shadow spiller before deciding that's too much brainpower for a boss that punishes u for not having 500 dps

[tawny arrow]

One time i had her with the chaos stun curse🥀

We're talking about the one that shoots thorn and has entangling vines, right?

[spiral wadi]

also just learned for some reason my first clear on my save was a chaos trial

yea thorn spam in fields is stupid

[tawny arrow]

Generally erebus has some of the dumbest things in it when on high fear

[vernal quiver]

yeah that one is so nice and easy

but the assassin and the shadow spiller are so obnoxious if you dont have your damage live by then

[vernal quiver]

just dont get hit

[tawny arrow]

Assassin leaping through a sprawling field of the hands of the damned (my cast) in 3 picoseconds just to combo me for 40k hp and disappear

[spiral wadi]

imagine if assassin was a natural fields enemy

[tawny arrow]

I also just hate the shadowspill modifier in general

Can't say doodoo no more?

[tawny arrow]

"Yeah so it's basically invincibility but you also can't see worth a damn"

[vernal quiver]

like yes please game i want half of the arena completly unknown to me so i have to throw myself in there just to get jumped by 30 guys and an army of fish

[tawny arrow]

No need to do it yourself as they also have the sucker modifier!

[unreal rose]

I'm having trouble playing with denial vow. After like 3-4 boons from the same god I'm just forced to make sacrificial choices and I end up dying on the final boss everytime. Am I doing something wrong ? Should I just pick less boons or target very specific builds to get a decent run ?

[tawny arrow]

Can target specific builds and also reroll so you don't deny 2 viable boons
For example it's better to pick an attack boon and deny a special and cast then to do the same while denying general boons, since you probably wanna diversify your main abilities with different gods anyways

And just try getting as many prerequisite boons as you can as they unlock others

[manic shuttle]

u need to check codex before taking a lot of boons from the the same god

purge them if necessary or take a different room

[median anvil]

take less boons from the same god, check your codex to see what's available, learn the t2 boon requirements

[upbeat matrix]

I was playing some 57F runs yest, and gosh its hard

im able to get to olympus but that area is usually the killer lol

also eris w grit is hard, massive damage sponge

[digital juniper]

what’s your 57 setup?

[upbeat matrix]

all except scars3, pain3, hordes3

[digital juniper]

ahh i see

goodluck friend!

[viral yew]

Would hordes 3 grit 2 maybe be better?

[upbeat matrix]

basically one step below 62 to get the 62 exp lol

[upbeat matrix]

maybe, not sure

[digital juniper]

honestly lowkey you could do 60 with all but scars 3

[viral yew]

Slightly easier bossfights, olympus might be worse tho

Yeah atp just go for 60

[digital juniper]

probably serves as slightly better practice if your next stop is 62

[upbeat matrix]

ill give it a shot if I struggle too much. Also im probs going to record this and have someone at speedcord look for feedback 😭

[upbeat matrix]

I was planning 57, 60, 62

[digital juniper]

see it’s your call but spending more time at 60 instead of using some of it at 57 sounds like better practice in the long run

unless you do want the 57 clear

if your goal is practice, 60 from now makes sense

[upbeat matrix]

true but like I want to see atleast some progress tbh

Like getting steamrolled by a fear im not used to feels worse imo but thats just me

I dont know how others did the 62 climb, tbh but I do know pain, grit, hordes added means it might take a ton of time

[viral yew]

I did 55-60-62

[upbeat matrix]

and having some progress thats visible to me during the process would help me thats why im doing it this way I guess

[viral yew]

57 is just kinda pointless

[upbeat matrix]

oh

[viral yew]

But you do you

[upbeat matrix]

im coming from 50 straight lol

[viral yew]

😭

Do 55, then 60

[upbeat matrix]

i guess so, yeah

ill reduce grit by 1

also I think part of the problem is im using eos and moros so olympus becomes harder due to eos problems on eris 😭

[viral yew]

Real

[upbeat matrix]

not even trying with other weapons I dont want to be recognized as a medea player by accident ever again

[fresh pivot]

Medea is fine, it requires skill

[upbeat matrix]

I have a story lol, i decided to try medea for fun on 50F surface once and I got a win first try

and I didnt even have a clear with medea before

[spark crown]

@bitter wren here you wanted the tier list :)

[upbeat matrix]

i took a look just now and im glad its blurry im scared to look at it

[spark crown]

if you click the imgur link its clear :)

(A remider that this is my opinion on how strong they feel and is not ragebait)

[upbeat matrix]

hmm

sweeping ambush S tier 😌

frigid rush C? :/

[spark crown]

said what i said :)

i stand by it

[viral yew]

This is metal we're talking about

[upbeat matrix]

out of the loop here

I dont see this server that much, tbh

but i think metal is a ragebaiter iirc

[viral yew]

He's genuinely not

[odd bolt]

good morning build chat

[viral yew]

Sometimes he does but the lists are his actual opinion

[upbeat matrix]

OH ok

[unreal rose]

He's Ragebait incarnated. It's his true nature

[upbeat matrix]

Sigh, anyway ima go its time to grind hades2 56 Fear surface and suffer

[silent crow]

heres my list no bait real news i made this a few days ago https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716773442958917753/1452086069653803199/image.png?ex=694bd3c9&is=694a8249&hm=4ae13adb99d895e6c81efbd49bd57eb9d028ec967589bcac1c427daa6281b14b&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=969&height=1050&

oh wait is this just duos

[flint widget]

trick knives being the only hammer there

[digital juniper]

trick knives is always the answer

[spark crown]

No im just spiteful to bad people

traquil gain not in d Tier T_T

[manic shuttle]

better than ionic imo

[surreal hazel]

I'm not sure I agree here at all, but hey

Sword ring hits like an absolute truck

and engagement ring is sometimes a room clearer

[viral yew]

Swap engagement and sword

[surreal hazel]

I guess there's also the rejigged version for Winner's Circle users where the top for cast boons drop to the bottom

[manic shuttle]

yea but B is not bad

I never had any run where Sword Ring did substantial damage really

[surreal hazel]

Also interesting to see the opinion on Grisly Gain shift upwards a lot

it was reviled as the worst gain before the two buffs

[surreal hazel]

with its two support Duos it becomes disgusting

[manic shuttle]

I never played in early access so always liked grisly gain

[surreal hazel]

was only 10 mana per pickup, and the pickup radius was smaller

it was a big step down from Mortal Gain, which Ares had from his initial release

but yeah, sword ring with Cutting Edge and Coffin Nail is a monster for just casually dropping 800 damage on enemies in the ring, moreso with winner's circle

[manic shuttle]

Storms ring does crazy damage wo/ any duos already

[surreal hazel]

to single targets, sure

Don't get me wrong, I'm never unhappy with Storm Ring, it's solid

[manic shuttle]

I had a run where I used sword ring and coffin nail, let me find

[surreal hazel]

Arctic ring isn't a top pick for me for the simple reason that Demeter also offers arctic gale

and getting both prevents you from just dropping origination bombs

[manic shuttle]

Arctic ring + cold storage tho

[surreal hazel]

oh sure, but you can do that on attack or special too

[manic shuttle]

#h2-victory-boasting message, I'm pretty sure I got sword ring in the beginning of thessaly

[manic shuttle]

you can use other gods on attack and special too

[surreal hazel]

ah but cut above with torches, yeah.... that's strong

although one detail that the game doesn't tell you: Cut Above won't spawn more than 3 swords at any time, it's one of the main reasons coffin nail looks weaker than cutting edge, but actually isn't

[manic shuttle]

no way

[surreal hazel]

mmm, and probably the biggest issue I have with Ares is if he appears early

[viral yew]

Fight me

[manic shuttle]

make your own list bro 😄

[surreal hazel]

do you go for wounds and hope for Zeus? Sword drops and hope for Apollo and Hephestus? Plasma and hope for Aphrodite and Hera? Avoid wounds so you can get Fourth degree with Hestia?

muh boy is so reliant on the right duos to make his stuff work, and if you don't you need to go hard on wounds to make that work

[viral yew]

I will

[surreal hazel]

To say nothing of Hostile Environment's awkward requirements

[viral yew]

Give me the link and I will

[surreal hazel]

Also kinda funny how Lucid Gain went from worst to first over EA, lol

[manic shuttle]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-ii---all-boons---upgrades-unseen-update-16166865?ref=list-remix

[manic shuttle]

yep I don't know that too lmao, it's been always the best

[surreal hazel]

so right at the start it was terrible along with everything not called born gain

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/GFIS8qA

[surreal hazel]

gave gradual mana regen while stood in your cast

then for ages it worked as it does now, except it gave more mana but only if you were stood in your cast when it ended

which thematically with how apollo works was nice, but it was basically for charon only

[digital juniper]

holy L

[manic shuttle]

anvil and engagement in D 😭

worst ragebait list ever

[surreal hazel]

Legendaries based on how satisfying/funny they are to use

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014143275466244107/1453019721011298416/image.png?ex=694bed91&is=694a9c11&hm=ecbf3659ca435f07d6557623fd138df38d999e8e9f1c3e5d065258e494449712&

[viral yew]

Care to explain why

[viral yew]

They're so buns

None of hephs boons can even buff anvil ring

Engagement is just worst hitch

[manic shuttle]

it still does good damage, no need for buffing

[viral yew]

😒

[surreal hazel]

You get Anvil ring to put his duos on the table while not diluting his boon options with blast improvements so you can ge trusty shield quicker

[viral yew]

Try using it with wards see how far you get

[surreal hazel]

the only real buffs for it are winner's circle and generic Cast/Olympian bonuses

(Also another case of a hilariously bad boon on EA1 getting a well deserved buff)

(-70% cast size, lol)

[viral yew]

And even then winners circle works weird with it

[surreal hazel]

it does, it's not the glory days of clang gang, but it still works

The hammering effect is basically just spawned where the cast is the way arctic gale or meatgrinder is, it just kinda exists separately to whatever the cast is doing

(Man, imagine how busted storm ring would be if that got accelerated by winner's circle)

[upbeat matrix]

Bacn said anvil ring is good therfore anvil ring is good

[surreal hazel]

I mean we're long gone from the "so bad it actively hurts your build" era of boons, mostly

[viral yew]

Lee can shove it actually I think it's ass

[viral yew]

None of the cast boons are like that

I would just rather have anything else

[surreal hazel]

Anvil ring was that bad

[spark crown]

this is ragebait

[surreal hazel]

Engagement ring is still pretty nice, although the new nexus rush.... ooof

that I think is the real opportunity cost here

[viral yew]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING IT'S RAGEBAIT

That's my actual list

[spark crown]

Anvil and engagement under sword ring

[upbeat matrix]

I can see it

Sword ring coffin nail worksish

[surreal hazel]

TBH the tier list shifts around a lot just based on weapon choice so the idea of tiers is already going to be a bit wonky

[upbeat matrix]

With apollo also it worksish

[viral yew]

I just love ares

[viral yew]

And fear too

[surreal hazel]

Circe has some very different ideas of cast boons

[spark crown]

i do to but not enough to do that

[upbeat matrix]

Tier lists are a device to manufacture ragebait

[surreal hazel]

charon probably the most

that weapon wants its effects now, be it damage or a curse, so storm ring falls way down the list

[viral yew]

I'll do a circe list

[surreal hazel]

at least they fixed blade and smolder ring not working with twincasting

[viral yew]

https://imgur.com/a/gyJemzG

Solar ring is either bad or ridiculously good with winners circle

[surreal hazel]

maybe not that different then

[surreal hazel]

Solar Ring implies you have super nova on the cards, which I find REAL nice with circe

[viral yew]

Idk I don't like it on solar cause it means i'll have winners

Baller asf on charon tho

[spark crown]

you guys think my ways are unorthodox now check out my og arcana setup https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM0IiwiYzUiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzkiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[viral yew]

Oh my god the ancient texts

[spark crown]

MY FIRE EMOJI WONT STICK

[manic shuttle]

why's tidal ring in c btw

[surreal hazel]

perhaps not, but still

I guess I could say Tidal is nice because lol gyser spout is lolololol

[viral yew]

Worse solar ring

[spark crown]

@bitter wren aslong as you are not doing this you are golden btw :)

[surreal hazel]

what's the damage numbers on solar/tidal and blade again?

[viral yew]

With fw? I think solar is 200, blade is 240, and tidal is 120

[surreal hazel]

hrm, tidal is 60/90/120/150
Solar 80/120/160/200
and I think the numbers on the wiki are out of date for Blade ring

[viral yew]

They would be

[surreal hazel]

but yeah it's bigger

[viral yew]

It's 240 at epic, I know that for sure

[surreal hazel]

you're paying a lot for frontloaded damage on tidal

[viral yew]

Yeah I don't think it's worth it

[surreal hazel]

but solar also is designed to play nice with Supernova

[viral yew]

True

[surreal hazel]

but also froth actually does damage

[viral yew]

Not much

Or at least not reliably

[surreal hazel]

it can actually, but very build dependent

Daze does nothing until Rude Awakening happens and then hooooo booy

and solar ring and chain reaction....

[flint widget]

im convinced that fates whim is the goat for everything

[spark crown]

solar ring supernova chain reaction grand candelabra

[surreal hazel]

it also skews the boon tierlists a lot

[surreal hazel]

Vampire Survivors player

[flint widget]

just did two speedruns, one using rerolls and one using fates whim and fates whim is the faster one

[surreal hazel]

raw power

[spark crown]

Check have you seen my og arcana setup?

[surreal hazel]

JP is probably why rapture ring goes so hard, just a nice flat +30 damage from the get go

hereditary bane is so stupidly good with JP too

10/15/20/25 for rarity, but just a flat +10% per level, because rarity is for other people

Fire

[spark crown]

more ancient texts my og fear set up https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMywzLDAsMiwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsOF0=

[flint widget]

nah

[spark crown]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM0IiwiYzUiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzkiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjMiXQ== :) enjoy

[flint widget]

the f*ck

[spark crown]

my first link ever sent in the server btw

that arcana with that fear setup was every run till i switched 60f

[surreal hazel]

do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written

[viral yew]

Literally 😭

[spark crown]

i hate to say it didnt get better when i moved to 60f #h2-builds-and-combat message

actually this is before

[viral yew]

Where is it? I want to see if I was actually around

[manic shuttle]

froth + gusts are crazy

[spark crown]

wait my timelines messed up

[median anvil]

wrong, you've sent lots of imgur links with tierlists

[spark crown]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[spark crown]

no repasted my first ever link

[viral yew]

F**k me sideways I was too

First one to reply

[spark crown]

wait no im wrong again XD

[spark crown]

yup with the classic "is this ragebait"

[spark crown]

somehow i think this is worse than the original setup

[viral yew]

F**k me up down and inside out I was there for all of it apparently

[spark crown]

yeah cuz i was only doing 60f cuz of you XD

[flint widget]

isn't it cuz of faker

[spark crown]

well not cuz of you but yeah

[spark crown]

the whole think started with a comment on how death + stregth is dogwater

[flint widget]

it is tho

[spark crown]

ill let you read XD #h2-builds-and-combat message

bro was livid

wait wrong message XD

[upbeat matrix]

But I run str+death :3

[spark crown]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

now we dont wanna starts arguments about the messages cuz we got yell at by mods

[viral yew]

'She called me skill issue' sends me every time it's too funny

[viral yew]

I'm gonna say mean things about your gender and identity

[spark crown]

genuinely the way that played out is the only reason i dont XD

i dont with haters

[viral yew]

The conversation still baffles me

'Yeah 40f is the exact same patterns as 60f you just gotta play more careful'

[spark crown]

|| same person who couldnt clear 60f btw ||

[viral yew]

||and i've already cleared 62f, but it's only uw so half respect||

||my highest surface is also higher than his||

[flint widget]

do i get full respect for beating surface 62f

[spark crown]

yup

uw is half respect

surface is full respect apparently

[flint widget]

whats ur progress on 60f

have u gotten past erebus

[spark crown]

No T-T but cuz I only have one copy of Hades 2 @bitter wren is using it in my steam family library so I'm on hold for 60f

[flint widget]

metal

[spark crown]

Ya

[flint widget]

on christmas

can u give me ur friends steam user

imma give this dude hades 2

[spark crown]

Or gift it to me cuz I'm not technically the owner of the game

[flint widget]

sounds good

[spark crown]

Cuz then there's 2 copys

[flint widget]

does ur friend own the og copy or are u the owner

[spark crown]

My brother owns it but dosnt play it XD

So it's just in the shared pool of games that is steam family library

[flint widget]

ok so be ready for christmas

[spark crown]

I'll add you on steam now if that's allg

Nvm your friend requests are off XD

[flint widget]

huh

just give me ur user I'll do it myself

[spark crown]

Melinoe pfp

[flint widget]

good boy

I added you

[viral yew]

[spark crown]

crazy work

Reading through build chats logs since I joined reminds me why I'm still here XD

[viral yew]

I wish faker would come back so we can bully him more

[spark crown]

No cuz then we'd get timed out for picking fights

But if they strike first we can totally clap back fr

[viral yew]

😈

[flint widget]

this truly was our hades 2

[viral yew]

It's never gonna get as good as that

[spark crown]

i mean it will if i finally clear 60f

[upbeat matrix]

Lot of aussie gamers here huh

[spark crown]

i mean im tecnicaly already inducted into 60f gang XD #h2-builds-and-combat message

[spark crown]

yup

anyway im going to bed night build chat

hope to disappoint yall with a take tomorrow :)

[digital juniper]

big if here

[spark crown]

soon™

[viral yew]

I hope to god you do it and he responds when we ping him

[spark crown]

if when we do we get in trouble atleast we went off with a bang ig XD

anyway actually going to bed if anyone wants me to see something ping me ill see it when i get up

[viral yew]

@spark crown

@spark crown

@spark crown

[bitter wren]

:3

dw im buying another copy besty

[bronze flax]

Is Apollo on attack with Anubis... Good? Besides the comedy factor because W I D E

[median anvil]

no not really

zeus, hestia and poseidon are the best options

[bronze flax]

Yeah, that's my way to go with Anubis too

Oh, and Hera, Hitch in area with constant hits is funny

[surreal hazel]

That is also solid, yes

Base damage is low, but hits a wide area, so +% isn't that great

But a bit of time in the slow cooker does wonders for anubis I find

+% Is still pretty neat on that hilariously powerful oattack though

[digital juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[surreal hazel]

+power is gud

Wicked thrasher would've been so busted if it was allowed

And yes I know my turn of phrase was silly

[digital juniper]

yeah i loved it lmao

[fiery kraken]

trying to get my first 50f clear. favorite aspect is skull and I've been bouncing between mel skull and pers skull (I don't jive with medea, take too much incidental damage, though willing to try it)

is one of them clearly easier/better than the other? Should I just learn medea because it's that much better than the other two?

playstyle - I typically open with an O attack/special (mel/perse) to activate the arcana card and pepper from medium range and dance around via dash special to stay out of trouble. It's a very low magic route and I often end up priming almost all my magic due to hubris

I can get to chronos if I can pick up enough spare dds along the way, though phase 3 crushes me.

fear setup - https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

also experimented with toggling pain 2 scars 0

[median anvil]

I'd say mel skull is slightly stronger than pers

vows look fine, you mainly need more practice with chronos

[fiery kraken]

yeah I can see that

I guess I can do more frenzy 2 vows 4 runs for practice

[tawny arrow]

Love it when menace puts the entirety of olympus's defensive forces directly on top of my boat
Not to mention the satyr rocketeer brigade that soon follows

Does grape juice make every tick of anubis have +100 power? Or just the first

[median anvil]

every tick

[tawny arrow]

Aspect of thanatos and vow of denial: do i pick hail storm or snow queen

[fiery kraken]

I'm on snow queen. A frozen enemy is already taking a chunk of damage from than swings

[tawny arrow]

Doesn't matter now as i forgot the timer and ran out

[fiery kraken]

alas

[grim current]

Origination? I've favored it in Hades 1, but now it's a tough choice in Hades 2.
I always seem to deal significantly more DMG with it. Does Origination provide "+50% DMG" or apply "+50% DMG received"?

[flint widget]

it's a +50% global dmg boost to ur attacks

[digital juniper]

the latter

[grim current]

If that's truly the case, I wonder if my avoidance against "+x% DMG dealt" strike & flourish boons (a la Apollo & Hera) actively worked against me.

[digital juniper]

what do you mean?

[odd bolt]

depending on the aspect, yeah

[surreal hazel]

It all stacks additively anyway

[scarlet ferry]

By that, do you mean a 50% damage boost and a 20% damage boost is 70% total?

[surreal hazel]

Precisely

What does multiply is crits and ares double damage

[scarlet ferry]

👍

[surreal hazel]

And increasing your base power on an attack then effectively multiplies with +%

(It's one of the reasons blitz is so good, it has a base power you can easily increase and multiply)

[scarlet ferry]

But it only benefits from global damage % and Olympian-damage % right?

(Still really good)

[surreal hazel]

Yes, but it big number go big, and doublestrike obviously doubles the end result if that procs

But also like. Look for "wicked" hammer upgrades since they give huge power boosts

[scarlet ferry]

It also benefits greatly from poms

[surreal hazel]

Strike more than flourish, strangely

+15 per pom after the second, flourish only gives +10. Flourish just has bigger base numbers and rarity growth

[scarlet ferry]

Probably because most weapon specials are ranged and they wanna make it a bit harder to cheese with range

[surreal hazel]

Flourish boons are typically bigger base effect and slower final pom growth

[scarlet ferry]

Are Hephaestus’ strike and flourish blast cooldowns different?

[surreal hazel]

Yes.

Counted separately. Flourush deals 500 base, strike only 200

But flourish recharges much slower to start with. But both can go down to 2 secs with poms

[scarlet ferry]

I meant length of cooldown

[scarlet ferry]

Is it really only 2 seconds? I’ve had mine down to 1.5

[surreal hazel]

With seismic servo, you can shave it down to 1.51, yes

[grim current]

Sounds like that Poseidon-Hephaestus boon.

Only that duo boon can reduce the cooldowns to decimals.

[surreal hazel]

But only if you get the recharge down to 2 secs with poms first

[scarlet ferry]

Yeah that’s what I’ve done

Really fun lol

[surreal hazel]

Chain reaction is still better, but obviously not mutually exclusive

[scarlet ferry]

I’ve had it at the same time as a 1.5 cooldown

And yeah its so fun

[viral yew]

1.35s

[digital juniper]

strike’s 400 isn’t it?

[viral yew]

Sprint is 200

[digital juniper]

yeah that’s what i had in mind

[digital juniper]

semi certain that the way the game calculates seismic servo is wrong and while it displays 1.35s, it’s actually 1.51s

[surreal hazel]

Sure about that?

35% faster doesn't mean -35% time in this one case

[viral yew]

The game displays 1.35s, which is apparently wrong

How am I supposed to know that

[surreal hazel]

Does it?

[scarlet ferry]

Fake fan 🙄

[surreal hazel]

Says 35% faster on servo

[tawny arrow]

Does the hermes legendary negate heph's gain?

[viral yew]

Yep

[grim current]

When going for a Fates' Whim build, I order it to Calling Card, Jeweled Pom, then Chrolex.

[digital juniper]

we’re saying that the game’s wrong, you’re not supposed to know😭

[viral yew]

Calling card is the worst fw aspect

[flint widget]

it should be jpom start imo

[viral yew]

Always take pom, then chrolex, and if you really have to, card third region

[odd bolt]

Calling card is situational

[grim current]

I so fiercely covet __>__rare boons to a fault.

[flint widget]

rarity doesn't matter if u have lvl 4 boons

[grim current]

It does if you have Touch Gain.

[flint widget]

an epic zeus special without poms is 160

common zeus special with lvl 4 is also 160

[viral yew]

Rarity is highly overrated in most cases

Especially when going with jpom

[surreal hazel]

Unless it's hermes rarity

[digital juniper]

it’s your call to play what you like, but a lvl 4 common boon is about the equivalent of a lvl 1 heroic boon

[viral yew]

Same reason excellence and queen suck

[digital juniper]

so jpom start is basically always better

[flint widget]

tough gain sucks tho lowkey

[grim current]

Like I said, I so fiercely covet __>__rare boons to a fault.

[viral yew]

Jpom start is still better, just take card last

[surreal hazel]

Gotta love that heroic stready growth that still kinda does nothing

[grim current]

What's Steady Growth again?

[viral yew]

Me with my heroic lvl 12 glamour gain (i'm playing medea)

[surreal hazel]

Demeter rarity growth boon every X encounters

[flint widget]

purging well value tho 🤑

who needs chrolex when u have that

[surreal hazel]

Surface runners

[flint widget]

reset then

[tawny arrow]

Beat prom with 4 secs left om the clock

[viral yew]

Rocking up after the erebus fight with 2 boons and no dd's

[grim current]

I dunno. I don't figure I don't need Jeweled Pom region 1 when it means future Poms aren't pittance upgrades when every boon isn't immediately lv 4.

[flint widget]

is this a high fear run or speedrun

some boons are unpommable

aka they can't be pommed

[odd bolt]

At least your two boons will be heroic

[viral yew]

This logic doesn't even make sense 😭, jpom provides way more poms than you would ever get in a run, and provides almost the exact same effect as a heroic boon, while at common

[surreal hazel]

Yeah. Jpom first. Deal with a few common cores, it's fine, really

[odd bolt]

I get your point since poms have a diminishing return but if anything it makes it even better because you can purge poms if you feel like you don't need them with chrolex or go for other things instead of poms when they show up

[grim current]

In my mind, pomming boons past a certain points grants diminishing retu-

Yeah.

[surreal hazel]

Yesn't

Most are fixed gains on the third+

[viral yew]

Plenty of boons scale well, otherwise just take other rewards or chrolex them

[surreal hazel]

You get some weird ones like hereditary bane and pyro technique scaling harder on poms than rarity

[grim current]

I wish Aromantic Phial had more uses.

[surreal hazel]

Kinda outclassed as of 1.0

[flint widget]

i used to use phial so much during early access

[spiral wadi]

phial's pretty good, just more situationally applied lol

[grim current]

Rather, I wish Calling Card can rarify equipped boons.

[viral yew]

I hate phial but yeah can have uses

[flint widget]

i love high fear olympus sm

i love losing all of my dds to one wave and then finding out that there's three more waves to defeat cuz its nat athena 💔

[tawny arrow]

Heph godsent is actually insane when combined with task force

[grim current]

"Let's flatten 'em, Witchie!"

[surreal hazel]

Also one of the few that has direct upgrades from boons

It is a proper blast, the only thing that doesn't work is chain reaction

[tawny arrow]

Turned frenzy 2 typhon into a damn pancake

[surreal hazel]

Rallying cry ftw

Maybe.

[fiery kraken]

does flood gain help with possessed array?

I also have the exploding hammer, so I don't know what the explosions mean

[odd bolt]

i use it for fun builds

like trying to force a heroic winners circle or racing thoughts

[grim current]

Winner's Circle is a favorite of mine.

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1453115437788299516/image.png?ex=694c46b5&is=694af535&hm=b55db48b05673704c27d810103b336413a1bcf7ce39f8eace446bcfd44b36d27&

lol, lmao even

[viral yew]

If only Mel staff

[vernal quiver]

if only 😔

didnt get dual moonshot either

[flint widget]

circe is a special focused weapon confirmed

wtf is a double cast

[unreal rose]

playing 62f with half upgraded keepsakes 😭

[viral yew]

New 62 strat confirmed

[vernal quiver]

ok yeah i threw gramps cuz i wasnt warmed up lol

[vernal quiver]

hey it doesnt need to be any higher to get to gramps

[flint widget]

i have not upgraded all keepsakes to rank 3 yet and i beat 65f

[vernal quiver]

same lol

[flint widget]

who needs to rank up purse and figurine in the big 2025

same thing with bell

[vernal quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1453118530902954156/image.png?ex=694c4997&is=694af817&hm=39fe405a490aa3cce7cb9e0c95103b99e67a50fa4a3754cf1016781a6749a224&

[flint widget]

im content with em being lvl 2

[vernal quiver]

like why would i ever use half of these

[odd bolt]

Selene keepsake lv1 is based

[vernal quiver]

selene sucks 🗣️ 🔥

i hate selene starts or when shes my first boon

[odd bolt]

I'm curious as to why knucklebones isn't fully upgraded

[viral yew]

Mine are all maxxed and bonded 😔

[flint widget]

im 520+ hours in and only bond i haven't maxxed yet is odysseus

ion wanna take bones in ephyra

[vernal quiver]

cuz antler and pin exist

also i love hecate sheep ball when it splits and instead of all going after me they go in 3 different directions so its literally impossible to dodge

[flint widget]

classic

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[odd bolt]

fair

[flint widget]

knuckles bones is quite solid for rivals prom and both versions of typhon but that's about it lmao

rest are cheeks

[viral yew]

I used to be so hooked on bones

[flint widget]

worst offender is daddy chronos since it's a glorified ripoff old grudge

[viral yew]

Hoping to overtake it with antler soon

[flint widget]

antler is life

[viral yew]

Give me antler and/or give me death

[odd bolt]

yeah I only use it for rivals prom

[flint widget]

or have both

death is in ur arcana

[viral yew]

I love strength antler but high fear death antler calls to me on another level

[vernal quiver]

Never before seen rivals cerb not stalling

Like bro went into phase 2 and kinda stood there

[flint widget]

what about high fear strength antler

already successfully did that thrice

[viral yew]

Only at 40f

Not good enough at gramps

[flint widget]

aw (wo)man i thought u meant 62f

half respect

[viral yew]

😒

[vernal quiver]

Yk youd think theyd patch out the checkmate scenarios rivals gramps can have in his slowdown 🥀

[flint widget]

checkmate mentioned

[tawny arrow]

Does the cosmic element or whatever it's called have any use other than chaos's chant?

[viral yew]

Uh not that I can think of

[median anvil]

nope

[tawny arrow]

Then why the Hel is it even there

[viral yew]

For chant

[median anvil]

For chant

[digital juniper]

For chant

[vernal quiver]

Man triple scythe is just so mean to dodge

Like ik its after he teleports theres a chance so I need to be positioned carefully to react but like god thats so hard to get down

[viral yew]

I still just fail to see it coming every time

[vernal quiver]

Im getting used to predicting i just need to learn the position

[spiral wadi]

i just run away then dash inward on the furthest scythe

infinitely easier

[tawny arrow]

Can't even get chant when i try rerolling for it

[vernal quiver]

Since ik its dash through the first scythe then walk back into the gap

[spiral wadi]

trying to space in the middle is the most effective but running away and dashing the furthest is easiest and not much lost

[viral yew]

Skill issue

[vernal quiver]

This is also 67f practice I should say so like, I need to learn the effective one lol

[tawny arrow]

Nothing comes close to premium service tho
Literally had at least 20-30 runs where i started with heph's keepsake and i STILL never got his legendary
Even when rerolling for it

[vernal quiver]

And if I get too close to timer I need to be used to the stronger strats, I can semi consistently get to p3 now with only dropping a hit or 2 but I need to be cleaner

[tawny arrow]

I still think it's just a prank and not actually in the game

[spiral wadi]

i mean effective as in the window for dmg punish afterward, u don't lose that much damage either way but i get it lol

[vernal quiver]

My save state has like only zeus cast/attack, hera special, gigaros, twin moonshot, melting swipe, and trusty shield lol so ik im underselling what I could have but learning with less damage will make having more easier

Certain patterns on p2 and like most of p3 is my bottleneck rn

[flint widget]

get a save state with dual moonshot only and no boons ez game

less dmg learning solved

[fiery kraken]

how do you save state (I'm on a steam deck)

[vernal quiver]

Well i shouldn't say save state, im on pc so I modded a bit, either way youll have to mess with some files

Iirc theres the modded way or theres a way you can get to a save point, then copy that save file to a different slot

[viral yew]

#1240092627261587517 message

[fiery kraken]

thank you

[south crystal]

Why do you not like the Calling Card?

[viral yew]

Worse than jpom by alot

And chrolex too

[vernal quiver]

cuz getting a couple heroics isnt worth 1) jpom levels 2) chrolex money 3) experimental hammer/gonion/athena assuming i mess up in region 2 pretty bad

and on the off chance im playing an omega weapon hubris could always be a nuisance

[spark crown]

why are you like this

[spark crown]

nah nah we good aparently checkmate is buying me a copy

[viral yew]

Suprised?

[spark crown]

no

[oblique hazel]

i did an everything tier list
https://imgur.com/a/7Dh3kEI

[jovial charm]

Is Ares' 200% damage effect (Mutual Destruction and Greivous Wounds) separate from crit effects like from Raki and Artemis? If so, can both trigger on 1 attack?

[viral yew]

You can trigger both one attack

[analog solar]

im cofnused, so D is bad??

[oblique hazel]

yeah d is the lowest tier, if you click on the link theres tiers S to C its just the embed put the last image first for some reason

[analog solar]

ohhh icic

question

those r abilities right

[oblique hazel]

theyre all the boons/rewards/upgrades in the game

[analog solar]

icic

i will use ur list

[oblique hazel]

its pretty opinions-based and very biased towards 50-62 fear so please dont treat it as gospel

[digital juniper]

i’m about to sleep but one thing i realized is i have 0 clue wtf heartfelt condolences is

is that the narc boon that gives you 50 healing?

[oblique hazel]

yeah its healing and ashes

[digital juniper]

yeah i realized i genuinely don’t remember ever reading that name in the game

[south crystal]

The jewelled pom is obv better, but Athena I don’t really get. The Gorgon eye is only going to be useful if you’re completely out of DDs, so isn’t she just a panic button?

[viral yew]

The past 5 times i've taken banishment, it has either been menace, or timer

[surreal hazel]

Divine dash is, indeed, fake

[viral yew]

Basically yeah, it's very easy at high fear to wipe at scylla

[vernal quiver]

Also its fastest for speeds

Since speedrun goes zeus -> fig -> gorgon-> antler

Also by the time youre in region3 youre not getting boons that care about being heroic

Especially at higher fear your build should be done by then

[viral yew]

I've started whimming my runs

[south crystal]

Yeah, I keep forgetting you guys have high fear with probably forfeit active

[viral yew]

Makes chronos phase skip easier

[viral yew]

Onion is typically like 50-55f

[south crystal]

I usually go jpom, calling card, fig (olympus) or droplet (fields) and tooth

[vernal quiver]

I wouldn't even consider calling card worth it in low fear

[south crystal]

But again, I play at low fear

[vernal quiver]

Since chrolex does so much

[viral yew]

Take chrolex over card, and pin instead of tooth

Or even antler

[vernal quiver]

Like be able to buy out every shop or 3 heroics, the money is 100x more valuable

[viral yew]

Amen

[south crystal]

Chrolex I could consider since I can get stuff from shops. Antler is a complete non-starter, I am never equipping that thing on my own volition. Pin is good but it stresses me out and it’s not useful if I am fighting a boss and it activates when it’s at midhealth

[vernal quiver]

Its a fun option sure, and in a vacuume its strong, but when chrolex is right there its hard to justify calling card over it much at all

[oblique hazel]

ngl chrolex does too much at low fear, with it you have the money to buy out the shops and be left with like 1k+ gold for chronos so its kinda overkill without debt

[south crystal]

Tartarus usually has a lot of money in jars and trash mobs too

[oblique hazel]

but antler is so much funnnn i sympathize with the tooth use alot though, its so much easier to waste pin so i personally take tooth pretty often at high fear

[spark crown]

[viral yew]

I always prefer pin but tooth is fine

[alpine raft]

pin is just tooth with 10 extra seconds of invulnerable

[oblique hazel]

not really

[viral yew]

I like having the option to pop it and get a free heal up to 60 mid fight

The extra health from tooth means you'll do less damage than when using pin

[south crystal]

Antler is good if you are good at this game. I am not. I still cannot believe I cleared two chaos trials with it

[viral yew]

Waiting for the day I get antler in a chaos trial

It never happens to me 😒

[vernal quiver]

edit chaos trials with me twin 🥀

Fight rivals gramps with void4 and like 2 boons twin

[oblique hazel]

the only way to get better at using antler is to use antler... (completely fair lol its very scary to use and dangerous, and learning it means throwing away a bunch of runs at the very end lol)

[viral yew]

I mean sure

[vernal quiver]

No boons no arcana no keepsake pain3 grit3 frenzy2 rivals gramps ong

[spark crown]

The chaos trials are perfect

[spark crown]

Just go do the one that has specifically antler :P

[oblique hazel]

genuinely the most insane take ive heard from you and the bar is HIGH

[south crystal]

Yes, that’s exactly the problem. If I know I am going to win anyway (lots of DDs, low fear) I have no reason to antler up and put the run at risk. If I am in dire straits, I’d rather shop for centaur hearts and hope to get DDs in wells and shops

[oblique hazel]

chaos trials suckkkkk took me until 500 hours playtime to finally bite the bullet and get the chaos trials achievement

[spark crown]

They are perfect I will die on this hill

[viral yew]

No i want it in a great chaos below

Chaos trials were too easy tho

[spark crown]

You will get it in gca

Rip

[viral yew]

Dyno strikes again

[south crystal]

Jesus, this profanity filter is harsh

[oblique hazel]

a freaking naughty word...

[spark crown]

As a Aussie you are so right

[viral yew]

It's racism

[spark crown]

Fr

[south crystal]

I was saying… I think the great chaos trials are… horse manure (can I say that?) bc you can get screwed over at the very end without having any say in the matter. The mini chaos trials give you the layout for the whole level, so these are ok

[spark crown]

[south crystal]

The one with the aspect of supay, the antler and the vow of hordes in the fields of punishment had me swearing like a sailor

[viral yew]

I did that one without realising I was on 30 health

[oblique hazel]

the greater chaos trials are fine imo its just that the shorter ones are mind-numbingly boring because they give you a full build and like 3 fear

[viral yew]

I've done 5 or 6 in a row now they're pretty fun

[spark crown]

The great chaos trials are dog because it's pure random that's the only problem with them in comparison to the others

[south crystal]

Hey, I needed resources to feed my pets

[viral yew]

Chaos trials buff when

Make it a random 32f

[oblique hazel]

they should make 62f greater chaos trials

[spark crown]

Give us 5 stardust per fr fr

[south crystal]

I was pretty bummed whenI got no rewards for clearing all the trials

[spark crown]

400 bones on a repeat

[oblique hazel]

and who could pass up 400 bones

[south crystal]

Yeah. If I see I got vow of time iii or vow of pain iii in act 1, I can just undo the night and save myself the time (then do a regular run to reset it). But yesterday I reached the summit with 1 dd left (and almost no money) and got antlered (= you lose and you wasted your time on 3 acts for nothing)

[oblique hazel]

timer 3 is fun and free

[spark crown]

Timer 3 is free?

[south crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-wet-wipe-gif-15394859

This is me on vow of time iii

[spark crown]

Also wanter is good

[oblique hazel]

wanter is good if youre goated and have the stuff for it, in a greater chaos trial youre lucky to even have lovers on

im calling it wanter from now on btw

[spark crown]

I missed the l but I will accept wanter over wantler

[south crystal]

I am not sure why do you guys love dying if you get hit once but to each their own

[broken spoke]

Because you get 1.6x dps from that

[oblique hazel]

we glaze whantler here but realistically its not wise to take it for a normal run if you dont have armour or resistances through stuff like trusty shield, snow queen, nitro boost etc

[broken spoke]

Killing faster is a good defensive mechanism if you have failsafe for it

Like lover or armor

[oblique hazel]

but if you have the defenses for it and youre comfortable enough with not taking damage its an insane boost in damage

[south crystal]

Thing is, one mistake and you lose the whole run (unless you have protection up the wazoo oike you said, but by act 4, you prob deal competitive damage without the antler). I could get doing it on purpose in act 1

[viral yew]

Timer 3 is so free

Antler boosts damage by a criminal amount

[oblique hazel]

its also great for high fear when timer starts to get really tight, it increases your dps enough that it makes the endgame wayy faster and can save your run if you have like 5 minutes going into zone 4

i personally use it as more of a hail mary than a go-to option unless i have 2-3 of the defensive options that make it relatively safe-ish

[vernal quiver]

Because typhon dies so fast he cant even hit me

[viral yew]

AMEN

[south crystal]

I spent like 50 runs before I beat Chronos

Maybe more.

[viral yew]

I think I did it in 13? Back before he got nerfed like early early ea

[vernal quiver]

Ive taken it the past 4 62f uw wins ive had, sure its built on the quality of me knowing rivals chronos pretty well for 62/65 but it doesn't take away from the fact that the fight lasted substantially less because of it

[south crystal]

What I am trying to say is smth that is applicable to the top 1% of hades 2 players is not applicable to regular hades 2 players

[vernal quiver]

And for chronos that means instakill skips, deep dissent mattering less, and p3 lasting less which means there's less room to mess up

[viral yew]

Fast clears are safe clears

[vernal quiver]

I lean more on the side of people overestimate how risky antler is

[broken spoke]

If you have defensive layer whantler isn't even that terrifying

If you pick it with 0 dd no lover no armor? Yeah you gonnna die

[viral yew]

Yeah even I don't really like naked antler

[broken spoke]

But with lover snow queen armor dd, you have enough buffer

[viral yew]

If I have lovers and nothing else yeah I can do it

[vernal quiver]

Armor, dds, snow queen, lovers, nitro boost, gale, to actually die thats what like >10 hits you can take

[viral yew]

Strength antler with no free hits whatsoever is lock in territory

[broken spoke]

Strength antler against no pain chronos with blood spree trust

[viral yew]

Yeah easy

[vernal quiver]

Tbh the second theres no pain you can get away with even more

[oblique hazel]

we're super sweaty and biased towards high fear in here lol, this will not be the last time this kinda thing will happen lol

[vernal quiver]

Oh plus evade chance

[south crystal]

So you can understand my frustration when I got antlered in act 4 of a great chaos trial above yesterday

[viral yew]

It boils down to a skill issue but if you're not planning on taking it then it can be a problem

[broken spoke]

Depending on what chaos give, if i have 3 dd or lover it is playable

[oblique hazel]

if i had a dollar for every time a normal player stumbled in here and got targeted by whantler propaganda id be able to buy another copy of hades 2

[broken spoke]

If neither, chaos hate me lol

[silent crow]

why r we trashing on the person who got antlered in a trial

[broken spoke]

Nah getting antler in trial suck we already said no defense layer antler gonna kill you

[viral yew]

I should change my name back to antler propaganda

[south crystal]

I had 1dd left and no lovers. Also no money to buy a dd

[oblique hazel]

high fear players cant empathise with 99% of players, fork found in kitchen lol

[south crystal]

Nah, it’s ok

[viral yew]

Me asf

'What do you mean you only have two hours in the game and can't get past scylla, freaking loser'

[south crystal]

At 130h, I got what I wanted from this game anyway

I did almost everything there was to do

[broken spoke]

Like getting antler in chaos trial

Not a complete experience without that

[viral yew]

I love ragebaiting people on reddit by saying <50f is low

[broken spoke]

That bs everyone should experience once

[oblique hazel]

truthnuke

[south crystal]

Schelemeus, is that you?

[viral yew]

I do think it is, but I am well aware that opinion is not shared by many

[south crystal]

If the game wanted me to do 50+ they should have given me a statue for it

[viral yew]

Supergiant where is my reward for 62f

[cerulean panther]

Doing a bunch of JPom runs today and I just managed to get Pyro Technique up to 300%.

400 Scorch per second, could not get Burning Desire.

[vernal quiver]

Should've given me an achievement for 32 🥀

[south crystal]

The statue unveiling was hilarious

[broken spoke]

At least there is no unseen 1 achievement

[south crystal]

My favourite Melinoe reaction is when she gets an onion

Also it’s really fun when you get an onion and see star procs to give you two onions. Thanks uncle Poseidon

[broken spoke]

2 hp value

[viral yew]

She could always make a delicious stew

[vernal quiver]

Nah eating it raw is more practical

No time to cook

[broken spoke]

Just ask nyx to pause politely

She pause for us when fade to black with nem

[silent crow]

💔💔

maybe they should drop the facade and just tell every new player to give up

[viral yew]

Yes we should