h2-builds-and-combat

[flint widget]

but arctic gale? nah that's shi is fire

[broken spoke]

Arctic gale is one cast origination machine

[edgy nacelle]

frigid rush top 3 universal rush boons easy, top 2 for builds that run hera attack/special or if you're worried about defensive utility more than offensive, imo

[broken spoke]

While shredding ward

[flint widget]

nah gusts are fire id just rather free up the sprint slot for something else

[edgy nacelle]

I guess that's fair, I just rarely have something else I want more than frigid unless I'm doing supay or dash strike spam and nothing else, frigid rush has carried so hard for my 62s

I thought it was mid af but the more I click it the more I love it

[flint widget]

supay w frigid is kinda fire tho

[broken spoke]

Arctic gale + pos cast make me feel good (forth still not dealing that much dmg)

[edgy nacelle]

even better then 🔥

idk, I love it. I do like arctic gale, but frigid being a mobile AoE is so good imo

arctic gale is maybe better for orig and wards since you cast more often than you sprint, but frigid rush is imo better at trivializing certain fights (hecate, charyb feature)

but also @flint widget gusts aside can you agree that Haelian putting nitro boost in D tier is unhinged behavior
can we as a community come together over this fact

[flint widget]

wait he did?

[oblique hazel]

its hard to believe but yes

[flint widget]

this why tier lists are rage bait

[edgy nacelle]

nitro boost D tier
snow queen C tier
but trusty shield S tier
make it make sense, difficulty level impossible

[limpid spear]

nah nitro boost is doo doo, if you never get hit it doesn't even do anything. haelian clearly built diff

[flint widget]

true

[oblique hazel]

the worst part about eos at high fear is i cant get enough value out of frigid rush to take it over freeze 💔

[flint widget]

if u never get hit they're useless 💯

[edgy nacelle]

if he put trusty shield in D tier too I'd fully accept that, no defensive boons we win or die
however

[oblique hazel]

0 pain player so trusty is multiple free hits. which would justify putting it in s tier and the other two in a

[limpid spear]

should clarify, I was joking

[broken spoke]

Armor synergy with that deal 20% armor as dmg boon trust

[oblique hazel]

but d tier and c tier is unforgivable

[flint widget]

nitro boost does have movement speed boost tho so theres some utility

[edgy nacelle]

I know lmao, you are too good a player to mean that

[edgy nacelle]

which he put in C so you can't even heavy metal clause S tier trusty shield into somehow being an offensive boon

[oblique hazel]

omg nitro boost is sprint speed too how is it even possible that anyone alive could put it in d tierrrrrrr

[spiral wadi]

why run away when damage do trick

clearly trusty shield is for heavy metal proc

[edgy nacelle]

this also makes sense to me, or like
trusty shield > snow queen makes sense since in theory trusty can absorb more hits
but nitro boost can also absorb more hits than snow queen, doesn't prime magick, and has a speed buff...? does he just hate sprinting, like why is it the lowest of the 3 fr

[limpid spear]

I haven't watched his video yet, so I have no idea the context. assume it just what he enjoys/prefers or what he generally wants in his runs

[spiral wadi]

snow queen has like a 0.5s buffer time after taking a hit so subsequent hits don't do anything

[edgy nacelle]

ngl it's also just fun to be annoyed by tier lists sometimes, ragebait can be a mutual agreement <3

[limpid spear]

I didn't know this
clearly snow queen > gale cuz of harpys

[broken spoke]

Epic nitro, lover, snow queen, imma fk prom memory game and tank em all

[edgy nacelle]

nothing is that serious
but also D tier nitro boost being unhinged has entertained me a TON lmao

[spiral wadi]

tru

[edgy nacelle]

also, question for whoever wants to answer it: what's a boon or mechanic you think is genuinely underrated by most ppl

[limpid spear]

frigid rush

[edgy nacelle]

just you personally, first thing that comes to mind, doesn't need to be "most" underrated I just want Takes pls

[edgy nacelle]

hell yeah 🤝 probably the same thing I would have said since I was just going on abt it being a top 2 rush boon for me earlier

[oblique hazel]

recently i have seen the light of messenger

[edgy nacelle]

I love clicking that thing instead of arctic ring xo
just so quirky like that

[flint widget]

hmmmmmm

rerolls

[edgy nacelle]

oooh elaborate
||(also ty for not saying excellence lmao)||

[flint widget]

people are way too obsessed with gambling these days

(so do i)

[broken spoke]

I am too jpom filled to understand that

[edgy nacelle]

ngl I never stop to pay attention to messenger, it's invisible to me, I use it sometimes but never like. notice

[flint widget]

plus some weapons are reset hell with jpom

[limpid spear]

says the self-proclaimed biggest gambling addict lol ^

[oblique hazel]

ive only been actively thinking about messenger on 62 and ive only been doing 62 with eos so maybe its just eos, but +70% movespeed and immunity is soooo good while charging an omega

[flint widget]

like uh supay, charon, and hel

[edgy nacelle]

rerolls aren't underrated, I reroll all the time at the oath of the unseen to reroll my seed for my jpom runs :)

[oblique hazel]

genuinely swapped out huntress for messenger and have not regretted it once

[flint widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[flint widget]

ok bro get out

[oblique hazel]

messenger just enhances the defensive panic button potential of cast in a way thats soo nice

[limpid spear]

actually, I legit think lighting lance / howling soul is underrated

people act like ranged casts are bad. I love 'em

[flint widget]

yessssss finally someone says it

[edgy nacelle]

howling soul is another good shout, love that boon

[broken spoke]

I love range cast too

[flint widget]

lightning lance aiming is kinda ass on controller tho

[edgy nacelle]

I've learned that I don't like it on morrigan specifically tho, it messes with my Ωatk input in a weird subtle way and makes me change how I time casts
but for mosts apsects I love howling soul

[oblique hazel]

ranged casts are sooo nice on any aspect thats not eos i miss my lightning lances but i need to cast and channel or ill die so fast

[flint widget]

that's why i prefer howling soul and glowing coal cuz u don't have to aim

[limpid spear]

idk, I play controller and have never found aiming lace to be much of an issue

[spiral wadi]

messing around w the tierlist and i'm considering dropping the cores cuz it gets way too into per-aspect territory for them

[broken spoke]

I play with controller I don't aim with lightning lance it goes where ever it want

[limpid spear]

glowing is my least fave because of slow speed. i miss it the most

[edgy nacelle]

dropping at least attack and special makes sense I think...?

[spiral wadi]

tru

[limpid spear]

aki did one during EA in case you didn't see it

[edgy nacelle]

or just drop all cores idk
but attack and special is like. how tf do I rate scorch and splash. they're either great or they suck

[spiral wadi]

i don't wanna drop blitz too 🤷‍♂️

[oblique hazel]

i think attacks and specials are worth ranking

[edgy nacelle]

hm.

how many gods would you rank atk and special in diff tiers

ik ppl feel strongly abt aphro special > attack

but for blitz, scorch, and splash I feel like it's just aspect dependent

[flint widget]

nah make the most rage bait worthy tier list

[oblique hazel]

sure its aspect-dependant but to some extent you can look at them with a wider view of overall power

[edgy nacelle]

so in theory you could use just attack for like. "sworn strike/flourish, flutter strike/flourish" etc

[spiral wadi]

hmm makes sense

[spiral wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-on-fire-sitting-edited-on-fire-fire-gif-17645117

[edgy nacelle]

wow it's warrior cats by erin hunter
(it's not)

just fire + cat makes me think of reading those books at age 7 or whatever
prophecy abt fire, weirdly gruesome fight scenes

[flint widget]

age 6-7 perhaps? ill be leaving now

[oblique hazel]

max fear reference thats sooo cool

all the kids are saying 67 thats crazy i didnt know the hades 2 high fear community was so well known

[limpid spear]

lol one time vyt and I were talking about the biggest rage bait thing ever would be the everything tierlist
(not doing it, but started out something like this)
literally all offerings, items, gods in one ULTRA tier list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146340176717697037/1448943279931392091/image.png?ex=693d1916&is=693bc796&hm=ca271613bdcf40cb07c46d4671a6327697c2fe8ca140ffe04f32c37274950f64&

[edgy nacelle]

zeus himself and then storm ring is funny af

[broken spoke]

Idk is this ragebait but confuse the heck out of me

[oblique hazel]

i wanna do an everything tier list now thatd be sooo funny

[flint widget]

yo i should do ts later in the vc

[oblique hazel]

b tier sky fall is hilarious

[edgy nacelle]

wait b tier sky fall I didn't even notice. that feels. hm.

[limpid spear]

you're absolutely right. should be F TIER

[edgy nacelle]

.....is it mean to say that feels way too high- ok good

[broken spoke]

Gonna put selene and skyfall in different tier

[oblique hazel]

actually upon further thought i think sky fall is like c tier because at the least its crazy single-target damage

[flint widget]

only time skyfall has ever felt good to me was with ares godsent + task force and i only ever used that once in my 470 hours of playtime lmao

[edgy nacelle]

skyfall is just sad because like. yeah the damage is very good if you invest fully into it. but like. you can also just do the same with lunar ray.........

[oblique hazel]

the idea of an everything tier list just got way less enjoyable after remembering how many individual nodes there are for all the hexes

[broken spoke]

Tbf although it is crazy but i never feel it is apollo lunar ray crazy

[limpid spear]

dang didn't even think about path of star upgrades. haha just do hexes only. no path of stars

[edgy nacelle]

yeah. the level of investment you need for sky fall to feel like good damage* can just be put into another damaging hex. tbh I think.... hm. HM
*footnote: at close range

[broken spoke]

Separately rating path of star is diabolical

[edgy nacelle]

I'm tempted to say that aspect of selene itself is worse than sky fall
sky fall isn't good but you can get use out of it
but, the opportunity cost of HAVING to select sky fall no matter what? worse than sky fall itself, imo

[oblique hazel]

skyfall just needs ferocity and some basic upgrades + is safe out the gate, while lunar ray needs godsent at least, if not the set & forget upgrade too for safety

[edgy nacelle]

interestingly my lunar ray preferences are kinda the opposite, imo it needs some armor + the triple beam and then it feels fairly op for damage
godsent is very good but not 100% necessary for it to contribute, and the auto-aim upgrade is nice QoL but not as good as x3 damage

[oblique hazel]

i think if sky fall was available on every aspect itd be somewhere between night bloom and lunar ray for viability

[edgy nacelle]

hm. how do you personally rank hexes?

cause the way I rank night bloom and lunar ray idt it would make sense to put sky fall between them
but also I'm just curious

[oblique hazel]

gimme a second to think about it lol

[edgy nacelle]

for me the top 2 feel very obvious and then it gets muddier lol
but ik which I'm personally third most happy to see

[broken spoke]

Well some hex is good with godsent but much worse without

[edgy nacelle]

very true! which is part of why my top 2 are ones idm having without the godsent

altho there's rly only 1 hex that I both actively like and need to be godsent to take
one other is way better when godsent but I still dislike it too much to click it lmao

[oblique hazel]

no godsent list
s: twilight curse, wolf howl
a: phase shift
b: night bloom
c: sky fall, lunar ray, total eclipse
d: dark side, moon water

[edgy nacelle]

oooh interesting

[limpid spear]

pretty solid imo ^

[broken spoke]

Kinda agree with your list myself

[oblique hazel]

[limpid spear]

night bloom > phase fr though

[oblique hazel]

yeah i think those are kinda up to preference

night bloom is absolutely above phase with permanent summons though

[edgy nacelle]

my personal preference: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1448947008676302909/Screenshot_2025-12-11_at_11.57.53_PM.png?ex=693d1c8f&is=693bcb0f&hm=e7074e40f957c2acc5366a0c329aa9b07004e0fcd536d55ccc3544424df9f74e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=796&height=1694

[broken spoke]

Night bloom is like doing nothing then suddenly rake up all dmg in one fight

[limpid spear]

LMAO individual tiers

[edgy nacelle]

I just have bad experiences with phase shift, I'm sure it can be fine but. ehhhhh

if sky fall was available on every aspect I'd put it. hm. maybe right below lunar ray?

but also lunar ray vs total eclipse is weird

they're kind of similar tiers just for different reasons

[edgy nacelle]

I also just like anything which lets me ignore sheep ball ngl

[limpid spear]

for me total eclispe is like ONLY if I have hestia, and the other two offerings are dog water moonwater

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, total eclipse without hestia is maybe my least favorite hex, or right above dark side

[spiral wadi]

i'm rembering why i dislike tierlists cuz of how much they tend to generalize which i kinda have to lmao, oh well

[flint widget]

dark side is good even without godsent tbh

[broken spoke]

That is only with godsent hex for me

[edgy nacelle]

fair enough I just hate how it feels to use

[broken spoke]

Same, hate dark side

[edgy nacelle]

like yes you're invulnerable. but also it annoys me

[oblique hazel]

dark side does such little damage, like its probably good but it feels bad

[edgy nacelle]

the only run where I genuinely found it fun was godsent dark side + flood gain Shiva + sunny dispo (idek how well it works with it but still)
it covered the flood gain downtime perfectly and heartthrobs did quite solid damage, like 70k or something total

but if I didn't have flood gain downtime or didn't have godsent? feels so bad

[broken spoke]

It is like let 5s pass without anything happen

[limpid spear]

if you aren't running time 3, think darkside is good. otherwise it just slows you down without godsent.

well unless you have a super busted cast build

[edgy nacelle]

also hot take dark side should make you immune to sheep ball OR. if it can't. it should make you turn into a black sheep 😤 the model already exists and it would be cute

[broken spoke]

Because i never take it i also don't know does dark side make you immune to sheep ball

[oblique hazel]

i had a run with godsent darkside and the node that copies your attack boon + scorch attack and even then it just felt like i was draining my timer every time i clicked it without godsent

[edgy nacelle]

lmaoooo funny timing, look 1 message up

it does not, I tried and was annoyed

[broken spoke]

That bs

[spiral wadi]

darkside godsent is primarily for just chipping away bosses for free lol

[edgy nacelle]

I wish heartthrobs made it to 1.0 feeling better....

actually. specifically: carnal pleasure can choke, I hate that boon, it frustrates me so much
I've had it and sunny dispo with ares leg and it did Nothing

not literally, but. abysmal damage for that much investment smh

[sand crow]

Heartthrobs were so nice in early EA, then they got nerfed pretty hard and never felt quite the same since

[spiral wadi]

fr

[sand crow]

Also I just got Heinous Affront with Heroic Lb 4 Light Smite in my first Rift room LOL

[edgy nacelle]

OOH hell yeah, enjoy
which aspect? (and what is wounds on?)

[sand crow]

Medea :D

Wounds on spec

[edgy nacelle]

apollo atk? zeus? someone else?

[sand crow]

Zeus on attack :DD

[spiral wadi]

nutty medea build

[edgy nacelle]

ares atk zeus spec is prob like...... the platonic ideal of a heinous affront build
but medea, blitz, and heinous are all so absurd you can't rly go wrong

[sand crow]

Why Ares on attack? ... Oh probably bc of the AOE

also I have possessed array but with grisly gain lmao

[viral yew]

One shots, and opens up heinous affront

[spiral wadi]

zeus spec is ideal cuz ur special procs blitz first, then atk hits right after, so u instantly proc blitz in like 1 frame

[edgy nacelle]

multiple reasons, but zeus special + dmg% attack is typical for medea

[sand crow]

I'm also running Circe-boosted raki so sometimes everything just crits

[edgy nacelle]

also ares is fun af on medea, wounds has nice synergy with medea's innate 90% damage boost

[sand crow]

Ohhhhh that makes sense, esp. considering that Medea has % boost built in, Ares loves that

[edgy nacelle]

I want wounds to be good on moros too, but annoyingly idt it's as reliable...
moros has innate 60% damage bonus, but it's on explosions, and if your attack hits the enemy on its own then hits a second time when it explodes then the wounds power bonus won't apply to the buffed hit

[spiral wadi]

https://imgur.com/RQzbhjx semi-rushed tierlist based on my personal vibes

[edgy nacelle]

okay this is SO reasonable 🤝
I wouldn't put everything exactly where you did, but like. I get it.

[sand crow]

That makes sense... I do like wounds on torch spec

[edgy nacelle]

other than me being a passion rush defender (on like 2 specific aspects lol but still)

I'm curious you have no opinion on self healing tho 👀 since it works through scars and is easy af to turn on, I feel like I almost always take it from apollo unless the other options are super vital

[viral yew]

I fw this mostly

[spiral wadi]

i've just subconsciously ignored self healing by accident now to where i pretend it doesn't exist

[fickle venture]

Is it possible to get a text-based so that I can do search?

[spiral wadi]

passion rush is def good if you have gigaros dash cuz free wards clear, otherwise eh it's severely more situational than other rush boons

[edgy nacelle]

hm, I'd put uncanny a tad higher too just cause like. hp is good, I'm bad and high fear is scary. but still, there's nothing here where I'm like "wtf is this," it's all well within the range of "not my preference but 100% understandable"

[viral yew]

You don't know all the boons by name? Smh :3

[sand crow]

What aspects?????

[edgy nacelle]

I just take it if I'm doing pure dash attack spam and nothing else
solid damage and easy 100% orig uptime for stuff like Mel axe
but if you do anything other than spam dash attack at melee range then it's meh

[spiral wadi]

unfortunately i can't, i did my best to organize the boons by god

[spiral wadi]

that's tru, i find myself not really caring too much about hp rn but yea hp is def still a valuable resource

[edgy nacelle]

I think I got 40k or 60k from passion rush on a Mel axe run...? and easy orig uptime with only one other status curse on my build. so I'm a fan of passion rush, I just think it doesn't belong outside of its niche like.... even a little bit lol

also funny for aphro leg spam, but that's fun run territory, not speeds or high fear imo

[spiral wadi]

makes sense, mel axe ur aiming to stay near enemies so passion rush gets cracked value

trust, they'll buff passion rush radius in next patch

[fickle venture]

okay then, I am typing them up!

[spiral wadi]

big accessibility 🦀

[oblique hazel]

imo furnace blast < grand caldera unless you have cryo pounder or smthn, and i just generally dislike sea star but aside from that i see no issues with this list

[edgy nacelle]

yup! I could maybe see mel staff or TK builds working with it too
just kinda useless otherwise, but at least it has a niche whereas some stuff like highly flammable I just hate to click no matter what lol

[oblique hazel]

dazzling display and geyser spout id personally put in situational too but thats kinda nitpicky lol

[sand crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1448956719698022506/20251212013622-01KC8V7NDVBB0B61SXQ5QDS2KR.mp4?ex=693d259a&is=693bd41a&hm=c6ea708a43b2785566c80be5b1d8660c9ac502a6ef2a279ad89453fc3c60cecc&
Oh Malkin this is what I was saying about using special into the wall

[spiral wadi]

lol wait i meant for glow to be above the bonus blast power

[broken spoke]

Geyser spout situational aka when playing charon

[edgy nacelle]

yesss makes sense
idk if it's something I'd do during a run, but it's satisfying lol

[spiral wadi]

tru ye

[oblique hazel]

charon, momus and any run with a howling soul start imo

[spiral wadi]

dazzling is like the hail mary to get origination

[fickle venture]

Is there also a god tier list?

[edgy nacelle]

dazzling display with jpom is unexpectedly good tbh
in any situation where it's actually open you tend to want it lol
*well, if you didn't take solar ring or blinding rush

[oblique hazel]

howling soul + big damage cast is the key to the safest chronos p2 and 3 of all time

[sand crow]

It's really good against Typhon especially or whenever Eris is against a wall, def situational but the situations where it's relevant are very important

[fickle venture]

How we playing the game right now? Do you stick with a main? I just don't see myself liking all the aspects.

[edgy nacelle]

to be clear this is "red's personal preference as a high fear player" as a boon tier list
I mostly agree with it and red is a great player, but I wouldn't take it as like. 100% gospel

[broken spoke]

Grave thirst guide me

[edgy nacelle]

not because red isn't to be trusted lol just because nobody's tier list is unbiased, everyone has preferences and I think most ppl are open abt that 🤷

[sand crow]

guys I can pom light smite from 169 to 174 damage POGGIES

[edgy nacelle]

also perhaps more importantly stuff is still situational
like yeah hestia attack is amazing
but maybe don't take it on aspect of charon 👍

[spiral wadi]

ye there's like very specific boons i picked out with non high fear consideration but i'll prob make this a proper my-vibes lol

it's also why i just ignored legendary boons and hermes boons

[edgy nacelle]

I love scorch so much tho. scorch morrigan feels SO good even when I do triads focused runs

[spiral wadi]

ye scorch is just generally insane

morrigan go burn

[edgy nacelle]

only downside is antler can't make it crit for speeds </3
but I love seeing hestia on any run

idk if there's an aspect I don't want to see her on. maybe charon...? flash fry + controlled burn are still good tho

[flint widget]

how would scorch crit even work anyway

[sand crow]

Level 12 heaven strike LMAOOO

[edgy nacelle]

couldn't it crit during EA at some point? like how it used to work with air quality lol

[spiral wadi]

prob charon and nergal

[sand crow]

Each tick does a set amount of damage and that could crit

[edgy nacelle]

it has actual damage per tick, and ticks faster than once a second even tho the listed damage is 100/second

[sand crow]

I don't think so?? Might've missed it tho

[spiral wadi]

altho (jpom) scorch cast still good on everything lol

[flint widget]

ohhhhhh so ripoff pyro technique

cool

[edgy nacelle]

altho AQ scorch and hypothetical crit scorch still get multiplied by PT lol

[flint widget]

currently trying to do hel 62f rn

i see the vision

[edgy nacelle]

👀 what's your approach

[flint widget]

no valk

[edgy nacelle]

hel took me the second most tries but part of that was the build options being annoyingly narrow lol

good, valk is not worth it

I like autofire Hel so I can ignore the special and make sure it fires on cooldown whenever it comes back without having to watch for that

(and because the base power is low enough that I didn't feel like bothering with huntress)

[flint widget]

finally a good attack boon

last attempt got past hecate without an attack boon lol

attack boons are fake

[edgy nacelle]

ouch

I generally reset if I didn't get splash attack, scorch attack, or static shock (or maaaaybe zeus attack) in erebus, or at least by oceanus midshop

I’d also say that if hitch special isn’t on the table, freeze special is low-key pretty nice.
blitz too ofc, or wounds for grievous and potential arterial, but dem special ends up feeling like arctic ring with more range and AoE

[flint widget]

ass scylla fight

[limpid spear]

if you use this tier list maker, it has tool tips for every boon when you hover
https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/planner/tier-lists
or you can search boons quickly in the wiki section

[limpid spear]

no legendary boons smh how you supposed to have a proper S tier without universal donor??????

[flint widget]

yeah this build is not beating chronos without timing out

time to antler it

chronos time

ez

[fickle venture]

So I only plike to play a few aspects. I just log on everyone to complete a couple runs at 32f. This sounds good?

[viral yew]

Huh?

[edgy nacelle]

sure? 🤷 do whatever you find fun, there's not rly a right or wrong way to play

[flint widget]

i have beef with whoever created the erymanthian boar

bro dealt more damage to me than chronos during my hel 62f wtf

[median anvil]

you just don't know his moveset then

[flint widget]

perhaps

[median anvil]

also best leave him for last because you're stronger by then and also skip a big room

[edgy nacelle]

boar room one feels SO bad
but with a good build it's lowkey the less annoying ephyra mini, can't block just does high damage

[median anvil]

ephyra has a single miniboss and it's the boar. no other miniboss exists. what are you on about?

[frail locust]

I am pretty sure its the hardest mini-boss in the game

[flint widget]

bro what

[unreal rose]

I absolutely hate the other Ephyra mini boss it's so annoying

[flint widget]

it's obv mega dracon

professional ass kicker

[frail locust]

I haven't seen a harder one yet. I am only at around 24f though

[edgy nacelle]

idm mega dracon that much tbqh
tanky but there are lots of ways to cheese it, and it usually doesn't deal too much damage to me

[flint widget]

clearly u haven't played high fear surface yet

[frail locust]

oh also

[edgy nacelle]

I'm sure at super high fear it sucks yeah 🤷 for 40 it's chill af tho

[unreal rose]

doesn't everything sucks at super high fear

[frail locust]

I think that among all bosses

Eris has been the one that gave me the most headache. I went through all of my logs and its the one boss that surprises or causes the most issues for me

[edgy nacelle]

I mean yes but also some minibosses are WAY more free

[frail locust]

unsure if I am just dumb but I think she just goes invincible so often

[edgy nacelle]

like erebus sucks, but I'd much rather see root stalker or shadow spiller than the other one idr the name of

that one deals more damage to me if I mess up and wastes more time if my build isn't online

[unreal rose]

I find Thalos to be one of the easiest miniboss but again I'm completly out of the high fear game

[frail locust]

-# I find Talos to be easier with the shadow servant? fear augment.

if I have any abilities that raise dead enemies, the automatons just kill Talos

[manic shuttle]

there's also the satyr champion

[median anvil]

i do not recall such a miniboss. the satyr champion does not exist

[manic shuttle]

ye it's like the worst lmao

[viral yew]

Dude is super easy on high fear too

[edgy nacelle]

noooo athena :( no DDs from athena or echo but my damage is so good this run smh

athena in tartarus too sigh

idt I have a 38 HP no DDs chronos in me with no antler and no DDs lmao

[flint widget]

eh its fine

[edgy nacelle]

no it's not I'm not that good a player 💀 might be fine for you tho

my damage was good enough that I very nearly made it to p3 just by damage racing him tho, which is nice
but. sigh. athenaaaaa that would have been the run :( or echo

[flint widget]

hel 62f, shop before typhon, full dds, 120 hp, surely ill win right?

won

[flint widget]

with only 31 hp and no dds to spare

not even close

[haughty bear]

is there any more balance changes that are needed?

[edgy nacelle]

depends how you defined "needed"
imo if the game got no more balance adjustments I'd still be very happy with it, overall it's quite balanced and I'm happy with the game in its current state.
...but at the same time, if we did get another balance update I can certainly think of things I wish were stronger since they feel like they really lag behind. not a huge enough issue that they "need" to be buffed, but I'd like it if they were 🤷

i.e. the existence of power surge does not mean that the game is in a bad state
...but also the fact that it's borderline useless on all but one very narrow build is a shame, and I'd love for it to get adjusted a bit. same with stuff like carnal pleasure, artemis arrow boons, some aspects of the blades, and ares plasma (altho how good those are varies quite a bit)

[haughty bear]

yeah but at the same time, not everything can be equally powerful, too...

[edgy nacelle]

yeah, and idt that's ever a realistic goal
and as I said, I'm happy with the game as-is, truly

there are just some things which I'd appreciate getting a slight boost, not being launched to the top of the meta lol

[upbeat matrix]

SELENE BUFF

[edgy nacelle]

that too
Selene is in a kinda sad place rn 😔

the aspect* that is, I think hexes overall are in a pretty solid place tbqh

[odd bolt]

Ares buffs

[tall notch]

I wish coat got 2 more aspects, not fair that it's only got Mel and Nyx while other weapons have 4

[odd bolt]

Hey Shiva is cool

[tall notch]

I lose my cool every time I dash strike with Shiva because of how bad the move is

[odd bolt]

True it feels like it's on purpose I also hate this tbh

But I like how the aspect plays in general despite not being my favorite

I don't like coat much tbh

[oblique hazel]

you just gotta cancel your sprint with a special and wait like half a second, once you get used to that you barely ever accidentally dash strike. makes the omega attack come out like 10x faster on every coat aspect too which is super nice when you actually wanna use the block

[tall notch]

The special is worse than regular coat special too, the fact that Shiva requires you to do all that for mediocre damage doesn't help its case

It has a cool ospecial but that's about all the positives about it

[brisk basalt]

i saw haelian say cut above is f tier and dont really get it, like sure it's not amazing but it's better than f surely? anyone knows y

[tall notch]

It's because Haelian is a hater 😔

[bright path]

The problem with Cut Above is that you have to have Ares in your build to have access to it

[spiral wadi]

damn ur right

[opal pecan]

Wait why would dashstrike canceling make the omega attack come out faster

(this is a genuine question and I seek an answer)

[alpine raft]

i suppose you can start to charge attack faster after the special then you would be able to just waiting for dash strike window to end

[opal pecan]

OH, not that it makes the actual channel or whatever faster

Okay, that makes sense

[south junco]

do the furies arcana work when you use charon's axe? Specifically when the cast erupts, does it count the furies damage bonus for foes inside?

[opal pecan]

I believe so, yes

[lone quartz]

Is nyx gud enough to be worth grinding flux for?

[opal pecan]

1. If you're thinking about the aspect unlocking grind in the first Hades game, fwiw it's way easier to unlock all aspects in Hades II; you won't be hard pressed to prioritize just a few.
2. While the unlock ingredients differ for each aspect, the upgrades for the non-Melinoe aspects will all be Nightmare (which can be obtained from multiple sources), so it's not that you will need to grind flux to upgrade Nyx
3. All that being said: Nyx is considered a strong coat aspect, but it does lean into coat's strengths generally, so if you're coming from a place of "I don't like coat, will this be 'better'", it's not gonna magically change your mind.

[median anvil]

there are few things that need flux anyway

unlock it and if you don't like it then don't upgrade it

[lone quartz]

Very helpful! I js find chaos gates a lil bit annoying, and dont want to go get flux

[opal pecan]

If you build into Nyx's strengths, it's not something that is highly dependent on aspect levels anyway, so it's "tryout"able even at rank 1

[lone quartz]

My plan for all aspects which i dont like

[stable basin]

i'm not sure if appolo or aphro are better for aspect of persephone does anyone know

[opal pecan]

For what core boon(s)? Or in general or

[stable basin]

for special

[fiery kraken]

I found chaos a lot more reasonable once I got a pile of rerolls and could roll away chaos choices I didn't like

[lone quartz]

Oo very smart

[covert flicker]

Not sure if this is the spot to ask, but does anyone have advice for 32 fear with aspect of negral? 🥺

I'm not too sure if banking on pyschic whirlwind is the best....

[zealous crag]

I was going to suggest the high fear channel, but there isn't one. That's odd. I wonder why that is?

[covert flicker]

Hmm, that's what I noticed too. Almost kicked on Hades 1 channel LOL 🤣

[glass bone]

Tbh, for the highest fear you are used to… yeah it’s Psychic Whirlwind. But it’s not the only great hammer. Iron Core, and Dashing Heave are also solid hits. Avoid Heaven Splitter btw.

As for boons, there’s some options, but in general, % Attack (Aphro could work, but personally I like Hera Attack), and the gains can vary depending on what circumstance you are in (no Vow of Pain means Tough Gain could work, Psychic Whirlwind means Cardio or Tranquil Gain is crazy strong, and Born Gain and Lucid Gain are always strong options).

[glass bone]

There is a high fear channel, but it’s not in this discord. Instead, it’s in the Hades Speedrun discord.

Also that’s probably because high fear often can refer to either anything above OR equal to 32, or 50+, and Hades 2 does not give any meaningful rewards for going above 32 (Recordkeeper stuff is just for personal gain / pride)

[fresh pivot]

Doing Medea UW 40 fear, got both Epic Electric Overload and Double Strike with denial so... idk what to pick

[digital juniper]

zeus special?

[fresh pivot]

Yup

[digital juniper]

double strike without a doubt

[fresh pivot]

No Heph so I can't really take advantage of Electric Overload on single target with the duo

[covert flicker]

Gotcha!! Thank you so much

Ohhhhh the combos are really interesting hmmm

Thank you so much!

[glass bone]

Oh, one more thing. Personally, I avoid the OSpecial, but I do use the Special to apply a curse for Origination.

[covert flicker]

Oh???? Ohh that's super interesting

[glass bone]

Also Special can be used inbetween Dash Attacks to get more hits to trigger Berserk and heal from Berserk.

[covert flicker]

Woah, didn't know that 👀 ‼️ ‼️

Thank you so much!! I really do have to practice this aspect more lol

[glass bone]

(So in summary, without Psychic Whirlwind, the main attack combo is either OAttack spam, or Dash Attack -> Special, repeat. With Psychic Whirlwind, it’s OAttack -> Dash Attack -> Special, repeat until OAttack is over, repeat.

Ideal build without Psychic Whirlwind (personal opinion); Hera Attack, Demeter Special / Cast, Cardio / Lucid Gain, Dashing Heave / Iron Core
Ideal build with Psychic Whirlwind; Hera Attack, Dem Special / Cast, Cardio / Lucid Gain, Psychic Whirlwind, Weed Killer)

[covert flicker]

Woahhhhhh gotcha 👀 ‼️ ‼️ thank you so much!!

Gonna give both options a try hmmm

[glass bone]

I do have a personal preference for Cardio and Lucid Gain though, so again, Tranquil, or Born, or Tough, (even Glamour if you have Psychic Whirlwind) can also work.

[covert flicker]

Gotcha! Yeah, after watching Haelian I've sworn my alliegance to born 😭

I really....should try the other ones.....

I tend to go for the safe options, so this is super helpful insight!!

[glass bone]

If you have enough Poms or rarities, lucid gain is basically infinite magick on some aspects because furies wants you to always use casts. And cardio gain is great in general, and amazing on stuff like Anubis, or Psychic Whirlwind Nergal, because there are constant Attack / Special hits.

[covert flicker]

Interesting!! Noting that down ASAP AGHAEHGA

[zealous crag]

Any ideas on how to make Pan knives safe/responsive? They feel so slow to channel that you need a chaos boon or two to have any kind of use on faster enemies.

[glass bone]

The cheap answer is you either deal with the flaw and just go maximum damage via the Hidden Knives hammer, get the channel speed really high over choosing other potential damage options, or ignore it and go with the Trick Knives hammer.

[zealous crag]

Oof. I keep thinking about it like Chiron, but maybe I should be thinking about it like Rama.

[glass bone]

Well it was Chiron. But because everybody cleared 32 fear with Pan extremely easily with Pan Poseidon in Early Access (also when 32 Fear was so much harder to do), SGG nerfed it a lot. It used to always throw all knives, and also Poseidon used to always trigger per thrown knife.

[uneven palm]

Poseidon’s pretty reliable there now in recent patches. But being locked down during the O special remains 👎

[glass bone]

Yeah… Poseidon waves have varied a lot over the game’s patches.

[opal pecan]

Would you say their strength has.... ebbed and resurged over time? ;D

[zealous crag]

Oh yeah, I remember now. I was also there for the double moonshot meta. Wait, doesn't Poseidon still trigger on every blade?

[glass bone]

I think it does? Tbh I’m not sure cause I haven’t played “regular Pan” in a long time

[civic salmon]

If you have trick knives, what’s the best special boon?
Poseidon?

[silent crow]

any %

[civic salmon]

Oh percent boon over waves surprises me
Maybe idk how much damage the special does lol

[viral yew]

The special does a lot of damage

[opal pecan]

I watched one of them Shiva speedruns and my two takeaways are:

1. you still DO use the omega attack pretty frequently in room clear and this is gonna be suuuuuch a problem for me lmao
2. even speedrunners get hung up on doors sometimes, SGG pls

[dreamy veldt]

It's gaming time

Now instead of gunning for plasma spam on Flames

I'm gonna gun for plasma spam on Mel coat, for more speed

Heroic grisly gain and epic success rate acquired

Oh yeah, we're gaming

Epic visceral impact acquired

Just got 40% in a ephyra backroom

I have 100hp and I don't know why

[edgy nacelle]

? like you don't know why your hp increased or

why you took damage?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah base is 30 right?

I have 40 from persistence and 5 from centaur

[opal pecan]

That makes 75 which makes it sound like you just picked up a centaur heart...?

[dreamy veldt]

Except I didn't

[edgy nacelle]

what's your god pool rn...?

[dreamy veldt]

Wait maybe it was the backroom thingy

Wait but aren't those only 10 and gray

[opal pecan]

Backroom...?

[alpine raft]

there can be major rewards behind doors

[opal pecan]

Oh the Ephyra extra chambers?

[alpine raft]

think so

[edgy nacelle]

can be either iirc

[dreamy veldt]

Yes

And oh ok that's probably what it is

I had an extremely stressful day at work and my brain is now off so I probably just like didn't catch it

[fierce citrus]

damn i havnt played hades 2 for a week now

[forest hinge]

What are people’s favorite Circe builds? I pref Zeus/Pos to let the Psychic Leash deal multihits for the Blitz and Frorh procs

[viral yew]

Zeus cast with Arctic gale and air quality

[forest hinge]

Do you use concave stone to hit 5 Air early on or?

[edgy nacelle]

I can all but confirm luthien doesn’t use concave stone Ever lol

[viral yew]

I never ever ever take concave stone

[edgy nacelle]

I rest my case

[viral yew]

Thanks pookie

[edgy nacelle]

anvil ring, rapture ring, and smolder ring circe are also all quite fun

[viral yew]

I love solar and blade ring too

[forest hinge]

Honestly I forced a Ares/Dem build for the duo once or twice and then all-in’d on abusing blitz with the attacks plus leash so basically every attack proc blitz instantly

[forest hinge]

Blade ring Circe sounds fun tbh

[edgy nacelle]

sword ring circe is just a bit sad since you don’t get double damage in single target

[forest hinge]

Ohhh it only counts once? Boooo

Same thing applies to Dem’s cast-boost boon too

Circe staff doesn’t double Glowing Coal right?

Cus that would actually be so cool lol

[edgy nacelle]

nope, all ranged cast boons won’t apply to your familiar’s cast

[forest hinge]

Figures

[edgy nacelle]

tipsy shot + winner’s circle is kinda funny tho

100% cast uptime and they just get staggered so that the second one lands when the first one disappears

[forest hinge]

Ooo interesting

But that’s not unique to Circe right?

[edgy nacelle]

uhhh it kind of works better with circe

without circe you have downtime where no cast exists

with circe, your familiar’s cast covers the downtime while tipsy shot is in the air, so one cast is always active

which is generally my annoyance with tipsy shot, the delay before it actually does anything

[forest hinge]

Ohhh I see what you mean now

[forest hinge]

This but with literally all the ranged casts except Zeus(but it’s harder to aim lightning lance with controller lol)

[forest hinge]

Does tipsy shot Circe go well with basically any cast boon?

[edgy nacelle]

I think it feels best with casts that benefit from winner’s circle? so, not hestia dem aphro or zeus

it’s also not the most practical build, it’s just fun

[forest hinge]

What are like the fastest Circe builds circulating?

[edgy nacelle]

zeus cast lol
pretty much the undisputed best Circe build. add in blitz too cause why not, double strike, king’s ransom if you want to go all in, another status for origination

[cerulean panther]

I hear Ionic Gain is unironically good, I get Sweeping Ambush in the second chamber of Ephyra, and then after 4 rolls I still don't have it. Thanks, Zeus.

This is just like that time your son refused to give me Slicing Shot.

[dreamy veldt]

Back to the show

[cerulean panther]

Does Seismic Servo affect Aspects?

[junior trail]

no

[edgy nacelle]

as far as I’m aware, no. also doesn’t affect things which aren’t boons afaik, like the cooldown on harm for the afflicted

[dreamy veldt]

Alright so recap
I'm playing Mel coat, wanting to get Ares legendary plasma spam + success rate + Apollo dash etc
I have heroic grisly gain, epic visceral impact, and epic success rate, no other gods in the pool
4 ephyra rooms left
Available gods are Hestia, Hera, Demeter
I'm playing with rerolls

[forest hinge]

How good are the “revenge” boons including Zeus/Ares duo?

[edgy nacelle]

also can’t affect wounds ICD since that’s not an actual boon, just ties to boons.
so it’s flood gain, heph blasts, hunter’s mark, and some dio and athena boons and that’s it I think

[cerulean panther]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[cerulean panther]

Roger, roger.

[edgy nacelle]

light smite + that duo is insanely good.
even without the duo it’s very solid. the duo without light smite is okay but less explosive

imo it’s kind of a trio boon because of how much adding apollo makes it go crazy

[forest hinge]

Lots of pre-reqs to get it online tho yeah?

[edgy nacelle]

just three! wounds from ares, any zeus core boon, any revenge boon (three options, 1 from each of the duo members + light smite)

[cerulean panther]

In that it's asking for three Olympians, yes. But it's two core boons and a basic secondary from the third.

[edgy nacelle]

you can also unlock it before you get light smite if you have zeus or ares revenge

ares revenge is just uh. not good
and zeus is just ok, while light smite is insane

[forest hinge]

Mmm ok gotcha

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao I've rerolled two rooms so far and they've just been Ares

Out of all my boons currently, 4 are Ares and one is Hermes

And then I have a hammer and that's it

[cerulean panther]

Rallying Cry, here you come.

[dreamy veldt]

Ok poseidon

Their duo sounds funny to me on coat attack

Im gonna take it

Hmmm mystery boon from turtle shop

I feel like this always ends up bad for me

So yeah I'll try it

Zeus

I guess that's fine

[tawny imp]

Reaper frame or melting cross with shiva ares attack

[dreamy veldt]

Lmao Ares boon in shop

Omg we did it gang

Ares legendary before the 1st boss

Heroic Apollo dash acquired

[cerulean panther]

haha plasma go ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA

[dreamy veldt]

Circe mini enchantment acquired

10% speed baybee

[tawny imp]

ERISNKOLLED IN 4 SECONDS REMAINING

[dreamy veldt]

Alright now it's time to see if hammer will give me fast attack

Launcher frame f

[vague lichen]

What is better skull or staff I’m new should I get madea aspect

[cerulean panther]

Staff.

[vague lichen]

Huh

[cerulean panther]

Medea is S-tier but isn't really for beginners.

[vague lichen]

Sister blades better than staff ?

Define beginners

[cerulean panther]

You don't have all Aspects unlocked yet.

[vague lichen]

I beat Chronos b4

I used skull

[cerulean panther]

You can try it, it's very strong.

[vague lichen]

I beat him alr

But like

Idk if staff is good

Attacks are slow and low damage

[cerulean panther]

Its Hammers are a pretty big deal.

[vague lichen]

Ok but is r sister blades the buffed version ?

[cerulean panther]

But Circe doesn't require Hammers.

No, I think Blades are considered bottom 2.

[vague lichen]

Circe ?

Wait what is best aspect for staff

[cerulean panther]

I love them, you can beat the game with them and one particular build is top tier, but they're "weak" in comparison.

[vague lichen]

Huh

[cerulean panther]

Circe or Melinoe.

[vague lichen]

But with blares

U can dash and Shing Shing Shing

Spam y and a

They’re pokes

Cooked

Staff is like no good

[dreamy veldt]

I think my attack speed is now being limited by my ability to press the button fast enough

[vague lichen]

U have to hide and use omega y

[cerulean panther]

Can you work an Auto-Fire keybind?

[vague lichen]

Ok

[cerulean panther]

Try Hephaestus with Aspect of Circe, look for Hermes's boon Winner's Circle.

[vague lichen]

Bet

[dreamy veldt]

RAPID FIRE LETS GOOO

[dreamy veldt]

Idk if it matters but I'm on switch

[vague lichen]

Btw how to beat prom

[dreamy veldt]

And if it doesn't matter, I'm not good enough to do that

[vague lichen]

I’m stuck

[junior trail]

ask him nicely

[vague lichen]

Ok

[vague lichen]

Mr schpoonman could u please tell me how to beat da Titan of foresight ? @cerulean panther

[cerulean panther]

Practice.

[vague lichen]

What build so u main I’ll just copy u

This is too hard so ye

[cerulean panther]

I think you should experiment and learn the game yourself, so I'll offer specific advice but I'm not going to provide you with complete builds.

[vague lichen]

Ok makes sense I agree then any books that work well together

[cerulean panther]

Go to Options in your pause menu, then check Gameplay for Auto-Fire.

[cerulean panther]

Aspect of Circe, Hephaestus Cast, Winner's Circle from Hermes.

[spark crown]

wish i coul do h2 rn T_T unfortunatly im being forced to game with my little brother

[vague lichen]

That build has lowk zero damage right ?

[cerulean panther]

Nah, it's my favorite staff build.

It's hilarious, you leave a million hammers clanging around the field.

[dreamy veldt]

You have no idea how bad I want to take droplet

[vague lichen]

So there is enough damage ?

[cerulean panther]

Try it.

[vague lichen]

I usually use blitz and

Uhh fire scorching

What famiiliar I ye

[cerulean panther]

Raki.

[vague lichen]

Do I max out Circe

[dreamy veldt]

Omg bless you

[cerulean panther]

It wouldn't hurt, but it's not necessary, the laser is kinda just a bonus.

[oblique hazel]

i thought zeus was supposed to be the best god 💔
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695435127584587786/1449235503281868800/zeus.PNG?ex=693e293d&is=693cd7bd&hm=aa642708fb6f16b8f9b9f99d42f93ccd22befa0f6eb15f875791d6319a08e30e&

[cerulean panther]

I'm told Ionic Gain is good, just a bit unwieldy.

It's not one of the Gains that let you constantly attack, you have to actually manage your Magick.

[oblique hazel]

im on eos with unseen i dont need a gainnnn 💔

[cerulean panther]

This is why I don't run Fate's Whim.

[oblique hazel]

beat hecate with no dds i didnt even need an attack or special 🥱

[dreamy veldt]

Omg I almost died to eye lol

[oblique hazel]

i forgive zeus

[dreamy veldt]

We'll never got the Hermes spring thingy nor Poseidon Ares duo

But everything else I got

Did 115k with attack, 86k with poseidon waves

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1449238873866502239/image.png?ex=693e2c61&is=693cdae1&hm=dabf62d012139342998bcebbd2b7ec3b62893c3258d5fd5bcdcf30161dbc2163& I give up

[cerulean panther]

Congrats on the sub-10!

[opal pecan]

hjdfghjh

[spark crown]

sub 10

[opal pecan]

I'm aiming for sub 7 😔

Or I was. But I think that, on consideration, sub 7 is something I previously was reserving for Things That Are Fun To Try For, and doing Shiva the correct way is not sparking joy atm

[cerulean panther]

Some people get something out of treating video games like a task to be accomplished, no matter how unpleasant.

[opal pecan]

Yah I don't got that in me haha

[spark crown]

i had a 150 loss streak for 60f :)

[cerulean panther]

If pushing the buttons doesn't make the lizard in the back of my brains start nodding I play a different game.

[opal pecan]

I DEFINITELY don't got that in me

[cerulean panther]

I don't either.

[spark crown]

sure yall do

[cerulean panther]

I don't think I ever got 32 on every Aspect in H1.

I really genuinely don't. I've tried challenge climbing. I don't enjoy playing video games like that.

I'm very comfortable with the challenge 32 provides.

[dreamy veldt]

Let's see if this works

https://imgur.com/a/VPOWeqY

F

[oblique hazel]

why does the eos daybreaker disappear when you lose a dd its so awful i hate it its the worst

[dreamy veldt]

I posted 3

[opal pecan]

Yah it says album

[cerulean panther]

Losing a DD clears just about everything on the field.

[oblique hazel]

worst aspect in the whole game

[cerulean panther]

I really wish it didn't.

[opal pecan]

I assume Momus turrets also drop?

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/Q8R7e6x

[oblique hazel]

theyd better or im suing sgg

[dreamy veldt]

https://imgur.com/a/Kt82a6y

https://imgur.com/a/5IUQFob

What meme should I do now

[cerulean panther]

"Is that a JoJo reference!?"

[junior trail]

iirc one of phase shift upgrade does this as well lol

[oblique hazel]

i was like 5 seconds away from winning and chronos hit me with an undodgable time slow combo iadiwghqoiyisgjhqj

my main damage source was ares specials it was gonna be crazyyy

my fingers hurt from how hard i was clicking buttons in that fight lollll

[opal pecan]

Did an Artemis run, since I hadn't gotten Pan or Artemis sub 8 yet, and honestly, even though it was .8s away from actually making the goal and probably would have gotten there with Pyro Technique (RIP), it was still a nice unwind lol

I aint even annoyed, I just want to clink a glass with Hestia and be like "alr next time great auntie"

[spark crown]

Ares only being viable in fw is sad

[opal pecan]

Is he really

[spark crown]

yup T_T

all his percentages are so low without the +4

[opal pecan]

RIP. I guess it doesn't change much about, say, Selene taking it on special, but for actual hitters... 😔

[spark crown]

Grisly gain is a 9% on common pickup T_T

[opal pecan]

l m f a o

You basically can't use it as a gain boon unless you commit to plasma, huh?

[cerulean panther]

He's definitely viable with rerolls.

[median anvil]

it's good enough by itself if

1. you grabbed it with jpom
2. have a fast hitting weapon

my hel 62 UW had grisly and i didn't have any magick issues

[opal pecan]

We were specifically discussing without jpom

[spark crown]

^

[median anvil]

ah

i didn't scroll up

[opal pecan]

I'll take Grisly as my gain with jpom on some aspects, for sure

In more than a nominal capacity, even

[median anvil]

it's supposed to be a support magick boon like glamour or tough gain

without jpom

[opal pecan]

9%....

[cerulean panther]

It's definitely 10%.

Which, I know, is not much better.

[spark crown]

with jpom common grisly is 13%

[opal pecan]

Oh were you mathing it?

[spark crown]

off memory

so i could be off by 1-2%

[opal pecan]

Ah

I was gonna be like 'maybe the discrepancy is bc jpom isn't actually +4, it puts pommable boons at level 4 but that's just +3'

[spark crown]

but i use ares every time i could (forth keepsake i got to lvl 3)

[opal pecan]

But the fallibility of human memory is a much simpler explanation lol

[spark crown]

im used to getting lucky with ch XD

(im lying ive rolled it 3 times in 400 runs )

[dreamy veldt]

I lost another 0f run lol

I don't think I've ever been playing a game consistently and then started getting worse

[violet temple]

adding fear be chilling until it's time to do frenzy 2 🥀

[hollow briar]

Honestly you just gotta take the plunge lol

The sooner you get comfortable with speed the sooner it doesn’t combine with the other Vows in some way more hellish tango

[oblique hazel]

theres a few points in the fear climbing journey where you just gotta go all in and lose a few runs until you get it, i think the big ones are frenzy 2, rivals 4, and the jump from like 55ish fear to 62

[violet temple]

tried going from 40 to 50 fear which was when I had to turn the second one on 😭

I'm gonna start playing with frenzy 2 on default just to get used to it

[oblique hazel]

once youve played enough frenzy 2 the game feels like its in slow motion without it lol

[tawny imp]

should i interact with shiva gimmick

[edgy nacelle]

in general? yes
in certain contexts no, like shiva has a 67f run and it didn't use Ωs

[tawny imp]

damn i was just going punch punch this whole time

[oblique hazel]

if you like omegas its alot of fun, especially if you put in the work to understand how to avoid dash striking

big number weapon

[tawny imp]

im assuming i just want percent on attack and a curse on special?

[oblique hazel]

personally i do have more fun going punchy punch mode on it though

[oblique hazel]

apollo specifically is great on attack for the increased size, since destructive stacks give a percentage bonus you dont get as much out of an attack boon as youd expect

[edgy nacelle]

apollo is also hilarious on special since it makes it cover just....... most of the screen

[oblique hazel]

technically its theoretically a good use case for ares since youre getting like +200% on the attack from the aspect alone which would make the 50 power from wounds go nuclear

but i think apollo is just wayyy better in practice because it lets you nuke whole rooms

[edgy nacelle]

tbh almost any attack boon works tho, you get so much % from destructive stacks that you can do something silly like heph attack or blitz attack and it just. still works
but apollo is great on shiva in general, on p much every part of its kit

[violet temple]

how does apollo legendary work with oattack lol

[edgy nacelle]

it doubles it
but iirc only the first hit benefits from destructive stacks

still crazy good damage tho
it works worse with ospecial, it only goes from 3 hits to 4 since it doesn't copy the bounces

[oblique hazel]

i think i saw a 62 victory screen with omega shiva and it had poseidon attack

maybe i imagined it though

[violet temple]

apollo's super fun on shiva but I always feel like I have to take hera for born gain first 💔

[viral yew]

I got used to it by turing it on after my first chronos win

[oblique hazel]

yeah if you dont have born gain or a good lucid/flood gain magick sucksss

[viral yew]

Born gain is buns on shiva

[violet temple]

💀

[oblique hazel]

i have to remind myself that born gain is a good boon usually because im so high fear rotted that my max magick is rarely above 100 lol

[edgy nacelle]

idk if I'd say buns, still like top 3 gain boons if you don't want to deal w demeter and zeus (which, same)
but I'd take flood or lucid first, shiva uses a ton of magick and born gain means you def need a lot of max magick bonuses

[oblique hazel]

hubris gaming

[edgy nacelle]

also at low fear more things work in general, no vow of hubris does in fact change things lol

[oblique hazel]

ive primed myself out of torch omega special more times than id like to admit lol those epic boons look sooo nice until youve lost most of your damage

[opal pecan]

Simply put a few poms into it and then take Pom Pom Pom 😎

Oh, should have scrolled down lmfao

[hollow briar]

This doesn’t seem unreasonable, it’s Wards clear into the original Shiva gameplan (You can also take Void II/III and remove Wards too… but that’s heresy…)

[queen plaza]

Does anyone know: when your boon pool is still not full, are boons that are already in your boon pool more likely to show up than boons for gods you don't have yet?

[upbeat matrix]

what is the 55 fear comp?

all except hordes and scars3?

[lavish moth]

Definitely feels like that’s the case from my experience. Don’t quote me though lol

[lavish moth]

Or rather, any one god that’s in your pool is more likely to appear than one that isn’t. But seeing a god you’ve got in your pool is the same chance as a new one appearing. Sorry I misunderstood at first. Does that answer your question?

[queen plaza]

Ah, so it's 50/50 old god and new god, that feels about right

[oblique hazel]

all but pain, void and max scars (for me at least, i think thats standard but i might be wrong)

[flint widget]

everything but pain 1, scars 2, hordes 2, no void

that's only me tho

[devout ermine]

got a decent morrigan going

final slice dem attack

static shock

[devout ermine]

sweet, got kiss of styx in final shop b4 chronos

4 DDs, should be cool

choked hard in p2

why am i so bad though

[rich pendant]

okay so I've beaten 32 heat both surface and underworld with all weapons except coat, which i can't even beat 32 heat in underworld with

[manic shuttle]

mine is same

[rich pendant]

does anyone have a good solid coat build that could work?

kinda at my wits end here

I've tried selene with ares attack and shiva with apollo special, but idk it just feels clunky

I see an expert is typing

[opal pecan]

Mel with Hestia attack

I'm not an expert I just like things

[rich pendant]

oh huh are you spamming regular attacks or using omegas?

[opal pecan]

You'll need Pyro Technique, but at 32F I assume you have Denial on

[rich pendant]

and are you shooting for any duos or legendaries?

[opal pecan]

Absolutely regular attacks. None of the non-Shiva coats should be relying on omega attacks

IMO Mel coat is pretty flexible tbh

I said Hestia because I like it personally (see prev comment about liking things) but you could also go Poseidon

[rich pendant]

so just anything w an on hit

[opal pecan]

Ye

[rich pendant]

oky will give it a shot

[opal pecan]

Don't need anything super specific imo but obv Zeus special would be nice for the Blitz

[upbeat matrix]

Selene can make use of omegas imo

[opal pecan]

Yah but I wouldn't say it should be omega attack

Literally just beef up the special to make it a bit thirstier

It's so..... bargain.

Oh uh also this is Always Be Dash Striking territory

JUST IN CASE.... just in case it wasn't a consideration previously...

Not like Mel axe in the sense of 'everything is terrible if you don't', more just that the dash-strike is sweet as

i like mel coat good night have fun best of luck bye

[viral yew]

Best case scenario you want pos/hestia attack with exhaust riser

[flint widget]

ion get the special spam torches hate

i backread some of the convos here and some people were deadass shocked that i special spam mel torches

like they called me psychopathic and a masochist lmao

[alpine raft]

like never attack

[tall notch]

It's uncomfortably close range to me, I know the damage is there with like hidden helix and stuff but I'd rather just hold down attack

[flint widget]

i do attack but once i get hidden helix im spamming special like my life depends on it

tho i have to admit i have grown to love attack focused mel torches

just need sudden burst and ez game

[tall notch]

Inverted is such a banger I wish they built it into the aspect

[flint widget]

i still prefer special spam tho since no magick required plus spin 2 win is fun

[flint widget]

same thing with moros as well

used to hate that aspect back then cuz it felt clunky af to me

not anymore tho, i understand it now

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1449344455965409400/image.png?ex=693e8eb5&is=693d3d35&hm=465c4e9fe4741c3f4d3742837ee280d568437794265340723de1c96734da1cc5& thoughts on my objectively correct keepsakes tierlist, chat?

[viral yew]

Some of this I disagree with but like it's ok

[tall notch]

yeah I know you speedrun, antler is undisputable S-tier in your eyes

such is the speedrun brainrot 😔

[oblique hazel]

b tier whantler and c tier tooth

[tall notch]

there are usually better options than tooth and antler is powerful, but too unsafe for me to put anywhere higher than B

It is a high B though

did consider bumping it up to A

[flint widget]

i agree except bones should be b tbh

absolute goat at rivals prom

[oblique hazel]

thats fair enough i guess, im a tooth simp though i love that thing (mostly a skill issue since i feel like pin gets wasted if you have a bad p2 lol)

bones is nice for cerb too id put it above card

[frail locust]

okay so weird question

[viral yew]

👀

[frail locust]

I usually only do jpom, and use all 3 of the fates whim keep sakes. I do like the money from the watch quite a bit

[viral yew]

Yes?

[frail locust]

I can see why artificier can be good for underworld but for surface? Watch handles like all of my minor finds. Is it bad to take it?

[viral yew]

Yeah I never find myself using artificer much on surface, much less important than uw

[frail locust]

uw?

[viral yew]

Underworld

[frail locust]

oh yeah

okay but the real issue uh

if I DON'T take artificier, what the hell do I get

[viral yew]

Lovers, eternity, night, messenger, whatever you want

[frail locust]

damn can't upload images.

[frail locust]

atm its

[viral yew]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM2IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[frail locust]

uhhhhhhh

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

oh yeah here

[viral yew]

You can swap it off for entering or night but if you don't need it then leave it as is

[frail locust]

I do feel bad for surface runs

night is fine I guess but like, amybe I should take off messenger and swift for excellence?

also, what familiar do yall recommend for circe

I have been going hecuba because it seems like the only one that actually moves lol

[viral yew]

No

[viral yew]

Raki or gale

[frail locust]

raki just stays on me so directly man

[viral yew]

That's the point

[tall notch]

Definitely Raki, does such a good job sticking to enemies

[tall notch]

with the caveat that I almost exclusively play UW, would you excuse the knucklebones placement?

[flint widget]

ok

[oblique hazel]

im 3 hours late to the discussion but toula is the most fun and therefore the best

[frail locust]

I tried Toula a few times, and they ARE fine, but uhhh I am too forgetful

[frail locust]

hmm

what are the best casts for circe actually?

outside of storm ring

Hestia is good, no?

[manic shuttle]

hestia is really good for circe ye

[frail locust]

actually, about that. Can someone explain poseidon magick regen boon?
I feel like it should be infinite magick at some level and rarity (when its 7.5 seconds cd to 8 seconds cooldown or something) but am I wrong?

[spark crown]

So flood gain makes you regen all mana used during the duration then goes on a cooldown of 8seconds

Meaning you use it and while it's working you keep gaining magick you use

[glass bone]

Ok, here’s how Flood Gain works;

• After you use an Omega move while this is off cooldown, For x (the number on the boon) seconds, you regenerate all magick you spend.
• This ability then goes on an 8 second cooldown.

[spark crown]

Then you have no gain for 8 seconds

[frail locust]

gah.
That is so bad then, no?

[spark crown]

No

It's born gain without priming mana

[glass bone]

No it’s great, cause it’s infinite magick regen at periods of time.

[spark crown]

As in you can use it at 0 magick and get magick back

[glass bone]

That whole “8 seconds of no magick boon” can be spent running around, or waiting for boss phase transitions, or waiting for the next group of enemies (especially nice for Thessaly, though Thessaly’s boat mechanics boost Tranquil Gain more).

[frail locust]

oh, that changes things.

[spark crown]

The 8 seconds go by very quick

And just getting heph as well for the duo means reduced cool down

[tawny imp]

Level 5 epic volcano strike or level 5 rare wave strike on Mel coat

I have no other boons or hammers

[spiral wadi]

either or will be good

[tawny imp]

MEL COAT F40

[south junco]

zeus special or apollo special on charon hammer?

i have the hammer that makes the special shoot twice and apollo legendary

[bronze flax]

Apollo sounds good for the damage, have you sorted out how to get Origination, though?

[south junco]

oh i ended the run already, I decided to keep apollo and it was good enough to end typhon so

[covert flicker]

SORRY FOR THE PING, but just beat 32 fear thanks to your help!! ❤️

[dreamy veldt]

Dual moonshot Apollo legendary Momus acquired

[opal pecan]

IIRC Momus copies the dual, but I can't remember the wording of Apollo leg offhand because I never take it -- how does that interact with Momus repeats?

[dreamy veldt]

Apollo leg copies the first

Dual moonshot copies each

Also yikes, I have the option of Dionysus, a hammer, and Chaos

I think I'm gonna go for Dionysus since hammer will come back and I'm doing omega spam

[opal pecan]

Yeee

[dreamy veldt]

Rerolled 3 times and didn't get stupor

[opal pecan]

RIP in pieces. At least you didn't end up on a full set of Dio troll offerings though, hopefully? :P

[dreamy veldt]

I took the soda

Also in case I didn't explain it correctly , I shoot 8 omega specials now, 4 at first, pause, 2, pause, 2

Oh cool Zeus legendary

And a hammer in the shop

Hm do I want lightning lance?

[opal pecan]

Of course you do

[dreamy veldt]

Bet

Going into Prometheus without an attack or rush boon 😎

I might lose actually lol

I have 65 hp left and all my moves take ten years to charge

[opal pecan]

The omega move trap....

[dreamy veldt]

24

I died

I hate that stupid bird

You can have the most broken build and still lose if you're the worst player in the world unfortunately

Idk why this is happening I think I literally just lost 3 in a row on 0f

No just 2, then I won one, then lost another 2

[opal pecan]

It sounds like all your moves taking ten years to charge probably had something to do with it

[dreamy veldt]

I didn't have that in my last 3 fails

Back to old reliable

Fw momskull

Ares Hera Poseidon Hestia in ephyra hmm

Oops I usually go underworld on momskull for funny echo pom

Is Poseidon special bad on momskull?

It's that or geyser spout which I'm probably never gonna use

Oh weird, I was dashing, realized i was about to get hit, clicked wolf howl, started the animation, got hit anyway, and then wolf howl stopped

Also I took like 60 damage from Polyphemus 😎

[south junco]

Rallying cry + Poseidon special on coat is pretty fun

[flint widget]

woohoo moros 62f done

[queen plaza]

I'm guessing I'm wrong, but can someone convince me that [fast attack + flat damage boon] isn't significantly stronger than [slow attack + %damage boon]?

Adding flat damage to a fast attack boon often can roughly double the damage. Afterward, global damage bonuses (like everyone's favorite, origination) are more effective because they effect both the weapon damage and the Olympian damage. For example, a [fast+flat] doing x2 base weapon damage that adds 100% global damage does 4x base damage. A [slow+%damage] doing x2 damage only does 3x base damage when adding 100% global damage.

Moreover, only Aphrodite (with a pretty significant range limitation) gets close to providing x2 damage bonus. Most are between 30-50. Admittedly they usually come with a curse, but there are other ways to curse that don't have to lower your main damage source.

Moreover still, the various flat damage boons often have other synergistic boons that act as further flat damage multipliers, which again synergizes well with global damage boosts. The %damage boons mostly scale with just attack speed and double attack boons, which also help the flat boons.

Between these factors, I usually feel like my [slow+%damage] don't do any damage, whereas my [fast+flat] absolutely melts enemies. Can someone sell me on how to make a [slow+%damage] build work? Am I missing something crucial?

[opal pecan]

One thing to note is that, as much as I am a fan of Hestia, apparently Scorch is barred from critting

So if you are leaning on crits as a damage multiplier, Scorch -- one of the major flat damage sources -- will just miss out on that

Also, reading your message more carefully... I'm not sure where you're getting that %damage boons mostly only scale with attack speed and double attack boons. Pomming a %damage boon increases the %damage bonus -- dramatically in some cases (Apollo, which could also be considered to "scale" by potentially hitting more enemies with its increased AOE, though that's a tangent).

[queen plaza]

The scorch and crit is good to know!

I think Poms if anything support my flat>%damage stance, because they improve the flat boon's flat damage (and thus scale multiplicatively with global damage). Whereas for %damage, they just add more % (scales additively with global damage). I also feel like they tend to just straight up add more damage to flat boons than %damage usually, although that depends on the specific cases

[bronze flax]

Hera on attack or Cast with Anubis? There is Poseidon there and maybe Poseidon on attack works better, but... Hitch on area

[opal pecan]

No special? 😔

[silent crow]

sprint

[bronze flax]

Not yet at least

[dreamy veldt]

I don't think I've ever gotten poseidon attack on Anubis but that sounds fun

[frail locust]

actually question, if you eat a boon with the watch, does it put the god in your pool?

i been trying to get an plasma run, but every time, Ares just pops up like once and dips. Now I got like 4 doors of ares on CIRCE

[gentle widget]

no

big numbers feel so good #h2-victory-boasting message

i just made a 415k scorch run

[fiery kraken]

increased attack speed on the slow big damage weapons does a ton too

[thin gazelle]

I love eating hexes and chaos boons with it, they give so much money

[opal pecan]

Sometimes I feel bad about only remembering to use it on one thing, but it's like.... I used it on one thing and got 500 gold from it, already worth...?

[thin gazelle]

I mean if I’m taking it on Oceanus I can just use it on ashes and bones in fields

If I forget

[viral yew]

I always use it on all the minor rewards in oceanus 😭

[frail locust]

my biggest issue is that I am so used to rapidly getting rewards that I forget to cash in the ashes and all

[opal pecan]

Usually I'm never taking it in Oceanus, might even still have Artificer charges left at that point

[frail locust]

how can you have artificier charges left for oceanus unless you skipped it

[opal pecan]

Skipped what

[thin gazelle]

I always see people using artificer and then purging the upgraded reward (unless it’s a boon)

[opal pecan]

Now that's way too much for me haha

[frail locust]

aren't you basically guaranteed to get like, 3 minor rewards in erebus

[opal pecan]

I have no idea tbh, possibly if you get lucky with skips...?

[frail locust]

what can artificier even transform to actually

boons and hearts?

[opal pecan]

Any major reward

Majors include boons, hammers, hearts, max magick, and gold.

[dreamy veldt]

Wait that's funny I never thought of that

[viral yew]

Mfw i reroll ashes to purge and I roll gold

[dreamy veldt]

Purge that too

I think watch is fun but I never take it

Well not never but rarely

[viral yew]

Unfortunately can't

[viral yew]

It's high fear meta but without debt it's not really needed

[dreamy veldt]

Ah I see

[tawny imp]

Is it just me or is nectar way better. Than the other minor rewards

[viral yew]

Yeah

[austere trail]

well yeah, it's the only one that gives you an effect in the run

[edgy nacelle]

it’s high fear meta for debt but also it can be really fun if you have travel deal and/or are doing a surface run.
having enough gold to double your shop boons is fun af, and so is having so much gold you can buy out most hermes shrines.
it also works as a pseudo reroll if you’re playing fate’s whim and want to stop a god from being added to your pool

[edgy nacelle]

huh? all three do tho
bones = max magick, ash = max health. just +5 but still

[edgy nacelle]

for high fear runs if I’m playing jeweled pom I sometimes prefer ash ngl. +5 max hp with vow of scars is like a pseudo wayward son hit lol, and with every boon at lv4 extra poms feel less impactful than normal imo

[austere trail]

oh wait

true
I think I just completely ignored them because it's so useless

+5 is basically nothing

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO fair
I did too until specifically jpom high fear where like. god I need that 5 hp, yeah it’s nothing but if I’m at 3 it makes me feel Slightly less terrified lmao

[austere trail]

lol fair enough

[edgy nacelle]

and tbh +5% damage on your attack boon from nectar is also kinda nothing if it’s already epic lv4 and you have orig

[austere trail]

true!

[opal pecan]

5 max magick can save you from priming out 🫡

[dreamy veldt]

I generally prefer the hp unless it's early and there's only like a few boons it can hit

[edgy nacelle]

bones are maybe MVP for specifically “hubris gave me 1 less max magick than I need to use Eos daybreaker, so +5 actually saves me for a few rooms” lol

I think nectar is MVP if you’re running rerolls since like. hell yeah early pom levels
but otherwise it’s the thing I’m most likely to chrolex

[hollow briar]

I don’t think I’ve lost a 62F where I’ve gotten Travel Deal and good Chrolex hits

[frail locust]

I feel like I should stop getting random boons. They keep ruining my pools

the amount of times I avoided a god just for them to pop out of random boons like a lump of coal is

[opal pecan]

LMAO

Like a glowing coal, even? :P though who on earth would ever want to avoid Hestia

[frail locust]

like especially Aphrodite is just so random

[silent crow]

i mean are you really gunning for a build that specific

i agree that aphrodite is rhe worst 4th god but she can at least. buff you maybe

[tawny imp]

Opinions on counter supreme

[viral yew]

Never my first choice but I do quite like it

[tawny imp]

What are first choices on shiva

[viral yew]

Elephant rockets and world collider

All the shiva hammers are decent except for the dash attack one

[tawny imp]

Is the power shot timed for shiva or is it just you full charge

[viral yew]

Timed, like bow from h1

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1449556441739301001/image.png?ex=693f5423&is=693e02a3&hm=bcf9ecc783462db959dd906f563912f549e02758d5fa7fbb0ed9021e30fa314b&

62F tierlist from stream today

[cerulean panther]

The only objectively correct tier list ever made.

[tawny imp]

Mirrored thrasher on momus

[silent crow]

mel staff bottom 1 is wild

[bronze flax]

Wait, does Sword Ring's Omega Cast drop an additional sword?

[viral yew]

No

[edgy nacelle]

the way it's worded you'd think it would, since it says "casts"
but idt it does
idt it works with momus either altho I may be wrong, since it drops swords on enemies within the circle and the circle is gone after the first hit

also if it did work it would need coffin nail, since a new sword can't spawn over the same enemy until the first sword has completed its animation

[bronze flax]

I am seeing a Haelian video with Momus and it seems it does, but I can't really tell

https://youtu.be/JPqwv6okk3w?si=eD95WUl_pxWAsM6X&t=442

He had Coffin Nail, though. Or maybe is how Omega Cast damage looks with Sword Ring?

No, wait, pretty sure I saw Omega Cast damage and the sword

[civic ocean]

sword ring does work on all momus casts

[edgy nacelle]

oh that's good to know
last time I tried it something abt that run felt Very Off but I guess it wasn't that, and it was ages ago

[forest hinge]

Ok I haven’t had time to play cus work this week, but why is Zeus Circe so good? The way you described the other cast boons makes it sound like Storm Ring would have the same problem as Sword Ring with the overlapping casts only counting an enemy once?

If Zeus cast on Circe gets double unlike Ares cast then that’s kinda unfair to Ares imo lol

[hollow briar]

Love how it’s alphabetical order except for the Melspects

[viral yew]

If you overlap it's hitting 2 lighting strikes per second, and is the highest dps cast

Plus scales really well with poms and double strike

[edgy nacelle]

storm ring can target 1 enemy total per cast circle, and ticks rapidly so it can still deal with AoE tbh. in single target, you just get 2x damage—even at baseline storm ring can carry runs, and doubling it makes it insanely strong.
sword ring can hit each enemy 1 time total period. a second sword can't spawn on the same enemy until the first one falls, so if your circles overlap you don't get 2x damage, unlike Circe

[cerulean panther]

Make additional swords fly in at angles.

[edgy nacelle]

also storm ring is just a strong cast 🤷 and double strike is a really good boon which makes it even stronger

[hollow briar]

A rare case of Denial actually, really doing something when the Zeus T2s and SShock come into play

[forest hinge]

Ok thanks, that makes sense to me why it’s so good. It’s just a shame to me that stuff like Sword Ring won’t get the same treatment, and thus Circe suffers a bit from a creativity standpoint

[edgy nacelle]

T_T I've run into this so, so often. denial + zeus in general annoys me

"blitz attack, blitz special, storm ring" and I'm playing circe. great, okay, no blitz I guess.
"double strike, static shock, lightning lance" SIGH

[forest hinge]

When the lobster is too juicy

Is Power Surge good at all without mirrored thrasher?

[edgy nacelle]

not really lol
with mirrored thrasher sure, but even if you're using magick constantly the range is like...... tiny

moros can trigger power surge often, but if you're playing moros at the range it wants to be played at then it won't hit anything usually

[hollow briar]

I’m honestly not a terribly big fan of Storm Ring on Circe most of the time; I know it’s strong and it performs well, but I lowkey like having Pos/Aphro/Hestia instead and having everything in my kit work together

[edgy nacelle]

I like other circe casts quite a bit, but I jpom it anyway, and if zeus is in the pool then it's just... a lot of annoying denial choices

I like heph, aphro, and hestia casts maybe the most on circe for pure enjoyment...? heph has no synergy with anything other than winner's circle but it's funny af

atrocious pom scaling tho, didn't realize how much that boon wants rarity > poms until recently

[forest hinge]

I understnad Hestia double scorch, and aphro double multihits on cast, but doubled Splash Ring?

[edgy nacelle]

froth is just strong and fun with a lot of other things circe likes, imo
idt poseidon casts will actually do double damage, but it's good base damage, origination, geyser spout if you want to omega, and then like... mirrored thrasher, psychic leash, static shock, arctic gale, prom flare, and meat grinder are all great for froth

[hollow briar]

Just a boatload of front-loaded damage, plus Leash can proc Froth a fair bit

[edgy nacelle]

I don't rly care for omega cast circe, but if you are doing that then poseidon in the pool is huge

[hollow briar]

The former isn’t great vs. Wards, but it makes up for it in longer fights

[edgy nacelle]

and regardless arctic gale + tidal ring on circe is very solid

[forest hinge]

What about tidal ring w meat grinder? A bit slower but same concept just with mana and no origin

[hollow briar]

Well ideally you’ll still be using your ATK/Spesh, so there’s probably Origination to be found somewhere

[forest hinge]

True true, but arctic gale still probably beats it cus it ticks faster than meat grinder

[edgy nacelle]

oh yeah I mean if you're doing Ωcast gameplay then meat grinder and prom flare are good
I just don't want to stop and channel

[cerulean panther]

Tidal Ring synergizes well with Winner's Circle.

[forest hinge]

I don’t plan on going past 40fear so I can often throw in sorceress for an omega cast Circe build

[hollow briar]

Haven’t thought about it, but assuming your Familiar also inherits the Night crit chance, you could get some crazy cycling going between OSpesh too

[edgy nacelle]

even at 40 I just... idk. I like Ωcast on momus and that's kind of it ngl
I like omegas in general, but something abt Ωcast feels weird to me

[edgy nacelle]

raki value too lol
and geyser spout + local climate value
tbh a *poseidon, whoops demeter (optionally ares) god pool for Ωcast is VERY good for multiple reasons, I feel like ppl sleep on dem for casts a bit

geyser spout gets brought up a ton, but local climate (and optionally hostile environment) giving you Ωcast% is very very good

[forest hinge]

I used to do Hostile builds with Raki, Night, MutualDestruction/that other ares boon, and Antler for the funny crit grinder

[edgy nacelle]

I guess pos demeter ares apollo is like. The™ omega cast god pool
but lowkey I think dem is more important than apollo or ares, apollo just gets a lot of attention because of how good he is on charon specifically

but if you're running momus or circe Ωcast* wow typos galore today, I'd value dem way more come to think of it

[hollow briar]

I feel like all of this is fair except for the last bit LOL
There’s no way she’s undervalued by the community at large

[forest hinge]

Why the dem cast, or do you more mean the arctic gale?

[silent crow]

ares isnt that good on ocast builds but he is the big highroll

[hollow briar]

Unless you mean specifically for Circe, in which case I would agree

[silent crow]

hostile environment is op asf

[edgy nacelle]

I guess I'd say I think ppl specifically undervalue local climate
like ppl take it but I don't hear it talked about nearly as much as other Ωcast stuff, or see it ranked highly when people make tier lists 🤷

demeter gets valued highly for freeze, for sure unless you're haelian making that tier list

[silent crow]

haelian is a weird guy

[hollow briar]

I honestly haven’t watched any of his tier list stuff. Love him for just brainless video-watching but I don’t wanna see that stuff

[edgy nacelle]

I don't watch him at all tbh, but someone posted a tier list he made of every boon the other day and it was driving me mildly crazy lmao

[silent crow]

i dont watch any tierlists tbh

not even boated...

[forest hinge]

I don’t do a lot of tierlists either

[edgy nacelle]

just. confusing. trusty shield S tier, snow queen C tier, nitro boost D tier..... okay. cool. wtf is the logic there
but tier lists are basically never good as content I feel

[silent crow]

should i actually take a look at the haelian list and get tilted

[edgy nacelle]

if you want
he did put every single ares blade effect in F lol

[silent crow]

rofl

[viral yew]

We all agreed we hated it like there was no argument about it which is crazy

[forest hinge]

Nitro Boost in D tier would make me close the video lmao

[viral yew]

He explains his choices but his reasoning is dum

[silent crow]

so this is it

[cerulean panther]

This is why we don't listen to influencers, kids.

[hollow briar]

I think there’s also just functionally different perspectives. I like 55-62F and that’s not his forte, which means utilizing things like Nitro Boost instead of just existing with Trusty Shield lol

[silent crow]

wait no this isnt it hhis is yours

[edgy nacelle]

that's his

[silent crow]

wait no thats him in the corner

i saw grevious in S i thought it was yours bc someone said he ranked all the ares boons C tier

[edgy nacelle]

I just don't get the logic of ranking those three boost so drastically differently
I get someone playing at lower fear and not valuing free hits, but I feel like snow queen and trusty are like.... so similar, functionally

[forest hinge]

Does success rate affect froth??? I’ve only just now thought of this

[edgy nacelle]

yes!

[forest hinge]

RAHHH we’re peakingggg

[hollow briar]

I agree. There’s probably some logic but I’m not gonna watch the video, ergo not commenting on the distinctions further lol

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh I think from ppl who did watch the video I've heard he was mainly going through really fast and going off first impressions while talking to chat, which like