h2-builds-and-combat

[dreamy veldt]

This is like impossible to lose

Didn't even lose one dd get hecked

Neither of my omega attacks were in the top 5 damage

Casts at 78k, attacks at 60k, dash strike at 59k, blitz at 52k, Toula at 32k

Back in the double digit win rate on shiva

I'm goated

[lone quartz]

Tuff

[solar iris]

i dunno if the hidden aspects of twin blades are fun, i never tried them. are they fun?
so far i didn’t like the hidden aspect of xinth ever since server forced me to unequip the unseen arcana.

[flint widget]

i mean tbf unseen arcana sucks for a 5 cost

[calm pike]

They are, to me more so than the normal aspects. I also don't see the correlation between unseen arcana and shiva since it won't be enough anyways

[flint widget]

a good ass magick regen easily replaces unseen

if u get glamour gain its basically unseen but way better since it applies a curse

[tawny imp]

Unseen is strong until you actually do a run without it and realize it’s completely useless

[flint widget]

tho i have to admit, it has two specific niche uses: 1. high fear eos since eos only requires daybreaker and then spam specials and 2. boonless runs

[oblique hazel]

i made it to chronos once on moros with no gain and only a chaos boon that regened like 9 magick per second and i genuinely didnt run out of magick until i took weed killer in end shop for some reason lol, so maybe unseen can be enough more often than youd think

[opaque holly]

Holy balls Medea

The damage

Also wow exhaust riser King Tide Arterial Spray Lv7 heroic wave strike is uh…strong

I took off half of rivals chronos phase 1 hp in about 2 seconds

[solar iris]

oh you know. the fact that shiva’s special requires 50 magick.

[flint widget]

yeah but like having unseen makes u wait like 5 seconds until u can finally whip out the big ball again

having an actually good magick regen like born gain or hell even flood gain is more efficient overall

plus that 5 grasp freed from unseen can be used to actually activate worthwhile cards like night and artificer

if unseen worked while channeling and using magick then it would be kinda worthwhile but still cheeks

[manic shuttle]

unseen is also good with anubis in addition to eos, provided that you don't use omega special

and probably not worth using with any other aspect

[gloomy pivot]

best build for a begginer to beat chronos for the first time? I have all weapons but only the basic aspects

[flint widget]

wdym basic aspects, like the mel aspects?

[edgy nacelle]

probably yeah
is there a specific weapon (or weapons) which you feel most confident all? all the basic aspects can beat chronos without upgrades, but what's easiest for one person may not be easiest for another

[flint widget]

also no stream today, lotsa homework to do

[edgy nacelle]

I feel like you could maybe make an argument for Momus, or pooossibly omega spam Supay (but idk how much magick that requires since I don't play Supay that way)

but everything else either channels too often for unseen, uses too much magick, can ignore magick, or like... idk, just doesn't really have room

earlier tonight I was talking to esca abt Unseen and the way I see it is "at high fear, Boatman essentially gives you +1 boon. if Unseen gives you the same value as 1 boon (specifically a gain that would be great for your weapon) without any penalty from denial and hubris, then it's kinda worth it"

[oblique hazel]

how tf do you play charon axe at high fear this feels miserable

[edgy nacelle]

so for it to be worth you need to both 1) need a gain boon to deal your damage, and 2) be the sort of weapon which glamour gain can solo sustain for an entire run lmao

[edgy nacelle]

(cracks knuckles) what's your arcana loadout 👀 and what specifically is feeling miserable

like. I have not played charon at high fear a ton because I first tried 62 with it but I do have thoughts on this

[flint widget]

my 62f supay used unseen and night arcana shenanigains cuz supay early game dmg felt ass

plus i had to reset for gigaros dash, a good rush boon, and blitz in erebus

this was back when gigaros had hitstun

nowadays the strat is to use toula for hitstun

[oblique hazel]

sorta changing between fates whim and rerolls because i know rerolls are better for charon but i like fates whim too much
fates whim: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzQiLCJjNSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjQiXQ==
rerolls: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzQiLCJjNSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjOCIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMyMiIsImMyNCJd
main issue is early game with forfeit and wards where im running out of magick and doing no damage

[edgy nacelle]

is this underworld? also, hecuba or nah?

[oblique hazel]

underworld with gale

[edgy nacelle]

I'd absolutely grab Hecuba tbh, since otherwise early magick feels awful
also, if you have debt and forfeit on I'd highly consider Boatman for underworld, Erebus is a boon desert and +1 boon guaranteed at midshop is REALLY nice for early power

I think fate's whim is fine, ik Charon isn't ideal for it but 3 gods have a good gain boon and you can make a lot of combos work. but I think Hecuba and Boatman might go a long way towards softening the early game tbh

[flint widget]

if u get hermes in midshop tho, rip

[edgy nacelle]

even then, I'd rather that than excellence
esp when excellence + hubris + no hecuba just makes you prime out

[tall notch]

I second Charon feeling off in high fear, the thing is just so slow 😭 I never clicked with it tbh

[edgy nacelle]

idk why I did, I ran it on a whim and then won 🤷
and now Eos is annoying me, I'm just playing rly bad the past couple days 😔

[flint widget]

yo let me coach u

[tall notch]

You mean Malkin with Eos or me with Charon

[flint widget]

malkin ofc, i suck ass with charon

[edgy nacelle]

tbh I think I'm fine with Eos I just need to like... get sleep and lock in. before I cleared 62 I got the closest with Eos by far
I've gotten extremely close with it, I just keep having a god awful oceanus lol and idt that's a weapon thing

[flint widget]

just pray for renewed faith trust

[edgy nacelle]

also have gotten erebus midshop scammed 4-5 times at 62 fear which like............ okay. great

that literally never happened to me until I started trying 62s. but okay. thanks ig

[flint widget]

typical 62f experience

[edgy nacelle]

what I'll actually need coaching on is blades 🙃 I think I suck at blades, I'm scared of how they'll feel at 62 and I think they're next

maybe skulls too, but I've been loving skulls for speeds so idk. my plan is just get p.array and profit lol

[flint widget]

same for me, every blade i suck at except pan (thats only because i reset for tk first hammer)

[tall notch]

Mel blades are surprisingly enjoyable when you are in the flow

And highroll the build somewhat

[flint widget]

tk = profit 🤑

[edgy nacelle]

I'm hoping I'll be better at high fear blades than speeds blades...? I failed to sub-10 3/4 blades aspects on the surface on my first try

which like. that's just a skill issue, that is 100% me sucking at blades lmao

[oblique hazel]

tyvm this helped me lose 2 dds to timer on hecate instead of losing the run

[edgy nacelle]

LMAO that is the high fear experience yeah....

[tall notch]

Timer isn't even real

[edgy nacelle]

tbh charon snowballs tho, I lost 3 DDs to hecate, got renewed faith in oceanus, and then just.... won

[oblique hazel]

i also got scammed out of mid shop lol boatman hasnt even done anything

[edgy nacelle]

omg did I infect you with my damn midshop scam virus 💀
still, +1 boon for the run is nice
are you taking chrolex? or nah

[oblique hazel]

had 600 gold going into oceanus and was 30 seconds over timer so i just took fig

[edgy nacelle]

oh also @tall notch advice question: do you think it's ever worth to take onion over chrolex in oceanus, if your HP is low enough but you've only lost a single DD? I always hesitate

[edgy nacelle]

then tbh having both shop boons for oceanus locked in is nice 👀 or one + a DD refill
boatman value just..... late

[tall notch]

I feel like there's more of an argument for it if you have not lost any DDs, since Chrolex money can be used to buy a refill

[edgy nacelle]

hm. ok I will do one or two more runs tonight... idt they'll go well but may as well...

[edgy nacelle]

oooh interesting. in that situation would you go for onion, like... idk, 18hp out of hec with full DDs and bad timer? or is it still chrolex, fig etc

[tall notch]

mayyyyybe, though honestly I may just go early pin if I'm playing a defensive keepsake

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh pin in oceanus is interesting

that would kinda scare me cause it means no g.amulet later or else I lose pin for r4
but ig if it can save me DDs and heal me up to 60 every room...

tbh my region 2 and 3 are very much not solved for 62, I kinda just make things up
took g.amulet for charon, chrolex for circe iirc, and then experimental hammer for nyx but it gave me shimmering lol so the gamba paid off

[tall notch]

I tend to just default to Chrolex Oceanus unless I feel that the run requires something very specific that only another keepsake can provide

It's a very good all-rounder, since you can spend the mountains of money both on on offensive and defensive stuff depending on your needs

[edgy nacelle]

I've been defaulting to it for sure, which I plan to keep doing
moon beam is sometimes nice tho, if I can grab hestia godsent for sirens I love that

but ok, speaking of, back to Eos runs I go
what are you working on next? 👀

[tall notch]

I grabbed Black Myth: Wukong on Steam and I've been enjoying that, wanted something else after a while of grinding out runs

Will upload the Mel torch run today though

[edgy nacelle]

ooooh nice
some time soon I'll need a break lol, ik I have some games I own but haven't gotten to yet

may also replay something, I like replaying games after a break 🤷 so may go back to Nine Sols and see how much I remember the boss patterns or something

[tall notch]

I feel like with some games I'll play them once, enjoy it a lot but not really feel like replaying them. Story-driven games can be like that for me, as I'm also the kind of person to avoid rewatching movies because I am not as drawn to them when I already know what will happen

[edgy nacelle]

yes for story driven games, and for stories in general

I'll reread and rewatch things for nostalgia if they were literally from my childhood, but otherwise I rarely do

[oblique hazel]

update this helped me beat chronos lmaooo

tyvm for the help the difference hecuba made was night and day

[edgy nacelle]

hecuba is sooo nice
at some point in the run she stops doing much, but she rly carries the early game

[tall notch]

when I'm playing Pos gain I feel like it remains relevant since it's like an extra magick refill when Pos gain is on cooldown

[oblique hazel]

now why did i think 50 fear medea would be simple

this thing is so dangerous to use

[flint widget]

as a medea expert it's pretty simple

outdamage ur opponents before they damage u

[visual frost]

friends!! is this a skill issue, or is a typhon egg the main character of the game 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcFw1OS0jNw

[flint widget]

oh my god

i fumbled the freest mel staff 65f run of all time

i died at cerb

i had everything

dual moonshot start, blitz attack and aphro special

[upbeat matrix]

Okay I found this really funny hades2 video by a small youtuber......He basically tried the quote-unquote "Worst Hades2 weapon with the worst hades2 gods", and the worst weapon he took artemis aspect from a boated tier list vid a month ago....and the worst god he took as hestia and poseidon from haelians vid 7 months ago......Im ngl I kinda giggled when i saw that cus he is using a 7 month old vid and m sure hestia got a ton of buffs since then

[dreamy veldt]

I'm gonna make a best build video, Supay with gigaros dash

[silent crow]

artemis aint that wrong but hestia and pos definitely are

[upbeat matrix]

Yea using a 7 month old god tier list vid as ur basis is........funny

I do wish people wouldnt trust tier lists so much though 😅

[devout ermine]

many people would rather someone else tell them what to think

[dreamy veldt]

@ me

[plain palm]

Keep trying to get slow cooker on Supay and it keeps not showing up

Honestly just want to see how it compares to Air Quality on it, though it's probably worse since Air Quality can affect a lot more things

[silent crow]

its harder to notice but its probably a bit worse

[plain palm]

Like when I tried air quality I got Gusts and Static Shock so like, damn that's a lot of damage

[plain palm]

Yeahhhh that figures

[tall notch]

Hestia and Poseidon as the worst gods... on blades... they've not actually looked at the build and just blindly followed the tierlist, didn't they?

[silent crow]

i forgot how hestia was 7 months ago

[upbeat matrix]

yeah they based it off 2 tier lists of very different people, and one of the lists was outdated

I didn't see the rest of the vid but they were going to try it out on an underworld 8 fear run

[south junco]

Flutter strike or flame strike on torches?

[glass bone]

Which torch is it?

[south junco]

Base mel torches

[bright path]

flame strike

[glass bone]

Hmmmm… Aphro’s bonus isn’t always applied, but the crits do affect that monstrous percent boost

[bright path]

flutter strike would require you to be up close, taking away one of the main benefits of the torches

[tall notch]

Attack oriented mel torch is a ranged weapon

[glass bone]

I’m trying to picture the range of Torches vs Aphro’s near distance…

[devout ermine]

you could get island getaway

[bright path]

Though DTB is correct in mentioning them crits

[upbeat matrix]

Aphro special on torches is good but the range on it is scary

[south junco]

Sounds like scorch is more reliable

[glass bone]

If it was Eos or Supay, then Flame Strike is absolutely better. But I mean… either or can work on Mel

[south junco]

I’m on my fifth run so I doubt I’m getting duos yet

[glass bone]

Oh…

[south junco]

I’ll go for glamour gain

[bright path]

Ah, in that case, take either and have fun!

[south junco]

Thank you

[bright path]

There's plenty of time to get nitty gritty with us nerds later. Go enjoy the game! 💜

[tall notch]

if you do want some advice regarding glamour gain though || it's pretty bad on attack-oriented Mel torches because it doesn't work while you're channeling ||

[bright path]

I was about to disagree and then I remembered ||glamour gain has a mana regen component||

Anyway, hi, good morning chat
Convince me not to hate Anubis staff pls

[upbeat matrix]

Omega spam

[bright path]

what does the oattack even do

is that a shield, or

[silent crow]

really?

i feel like its enough

[glass bone]

Kind of. It does block some dash attacks (e.g. Polyphemus’s jump), but the main point of OAttack is a second source of on-hit damage. It deals 3x the base damage, and deals damage at the same rate as Attack’s circular field.

[tall notch]

the whole point of playing an attack build on mel torch is holding down attack as much as you can... and when you do that you're not getting any magick back

[upbeat matrix]

It creates an aoe in front of the main circle like a crescent, it does decent damage

[bright path]

So are you meant to Oattack and then use your special to drag enemies through the barrier, or

[south junco]

Nevermind flutter strike is absolutely insane

[bright path]

do you just have to be really good at aiming your thin line of triple damage

[south junco]

I also have appolo’s double hit boon and the hammer that makes your flames return to you

[bright path]

hnngh

[bright path]

flutter strike is the highest % boost in the game. It's not great if you're playing at range, but if you're playing up close, there's nothing like it

[south junco]

And two other hammers so I think I might actually get to chronos

[south junco]

I miss the beta omega attack on torches but the new one seems good enough

[bright path]

Never played beta, but I do love the Omega attack on torches

[uneven palm]

Cast, Dash-strike, maybe hold attack for Omega, then use specials and O specials to Hoover things into your death zones and they die. Put Hestia, Poseidon, Zeus, or Hera on attack. Put big percentages or Zeus on special

[devout ermine]

might actually clear my first charon 32f rivals 4 frenzy 2 as a jpom run

got lucky to get apollo pos dem and hera

sacrifice boon'd my born gain into lucid in fields

and i got siege shredder

first hammer was giga cleaver

AGH

so close, damn it all

p3 chronos

[uneven palm]

Gramps has hands

[flint widget]

and a scythe

[devout ermine]

i got sloppy is all

[digital juniper]

he got some big dawgs too

[devout ermine]

too much excitement from actually clearing p2

[silent crow]

but u get magic during the non omegas

right? i think thats how that works

[uneven palm]

Not with torches. While holding attack, you’re not recovering with Unseen/Chaos Will/Glamour Gain

[silent crow]

that doesnt make any sense bruh

i thought it only stopped regening when the omega channel symbol showed up

[uneven palm]

Regular attacks are what’s happening while you’re channeling Omegas

[silent crow]

by that logic hel should behave the same way

since ur technically charging the oatk whenever ur firing the regular

[dreamy veldt]

Oh is there some weird interaction there

Also hel attack doesn't start charging until after the three rounds

[uneven palm]

Not during Valkyrie. During rapid fire mode Omega attack/special aren’t available

[dreamy veldt]

I got flood gain on flames and it seemed like it wouldn't like work unless I did one omega attack, stopped attacking, and then started up again

[silent crow]

this is the worst game ever made

[manic shuttle]

does nimble limbs affect torches attack speed?

[uneven palm]

Yes

[manic shuttle]

channeling speed only affects the omega bubble to pop right

[uneven palm]

Channeling speed is faster charging, yes

[dreamy veldt]

While we're asking questions about omegas

Does winners circle like speed up the damage effects of your cast as well

[uneven palm]

No

They tick at the usual rate

Anvil Ring you can stack up multiple clangs happening weirdly

But like Rapture, Storm, Smolder don’t speed up in proportion with the shorter cast

[devout ermine]

anvil ring always ensures 3 hammer ticks i believe per cast?

i've tried that with winner's and its neat

[uneven palm]

Yes, you can stack them up with Winners Circle

[dreamy veldt]

So isn't that like a downside

The expires faster part

Cause you just lose damage

[uneven palm]

Depends. You can immediately drop another cast when it expires

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah but like if you're doing one cast, you get less damage with winners circle?

[uneven palm]

You get less damage out of that single cast

[dreamy veldt]

Kk

[uneven palm]

But you can drop another one immediately

[dreamy veldt]

I understand the benefits

[uneven palm]

So like damage-over-time might not drop that much

Especially if you can move a new cast to where enemies are faster

[dreamy veldt]

It just seems like the only boon that has a downside, even if it's negligible (other than priming)

But yeah I understand now ty

*boon from main gods

Since like Dionysus has downsides

Social commentary on alcohol that while it is fun, there is always a cost.

Or something idk

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s a mixed bag. You gain flexibility but also you’ve gotta micro a little more

[south junco]

Y’all where’s the strength arcana on the new map cause I don’t wanna use death 💀

Nvm it’s all the way at the bottom

[devout ermine]

after i stopped trying charon runs the game's been laughing at me (both lit. and figuratively) by making my resets for a hestia circe run suck so i went with zeus instead and got epic storm ring on first reroll (not jpomming rn)

[solar iris]

okay i got a hang of the Morrigan aspect. that was fun

[civic vine]

i thought toula spawns at the start of the room but i found in ephrya and olympus she spawns where melikoe was like half a second ago. is she supposed to do that in every room and ive been standing waiting for her for no reason?

[digital juniper]

i’m pretty sure she spawn in the beginning of the room unless that was recently changed

except in fields, she spawns wherever the reward is you just started

[lone quartz]

getting bridal glow on volcanic strike is genuinely go gud. i managed to get another level on it AND i also got solar ring and rude awakening. this is 900 damage with my attack every 2 seconds (i have furies card)

[true gust]

today is my birthday 🎺

[lone quartz]

i js got cryo pounder asw on this 0o0

[lone quartz]

happy bday twin

[hollow stag]

Is there a channel speed and attack speed cap from boons?

[silent crow]

yea

[warm matrix]

hey guys, i have a question is hestia's legendary applies additional 400 stacks of burn every second anyway or only when a mob is attacking me?

[glass bone]

Hestia’s legendary works by essentially creating this second cast stacked on top of the first cast. This second cast applies 400 scorch to all enemies in its radius every 3 seconds, and blocks some projectiles

[warm matrix]

oh right, every 3, not 1, ma bad. Thx tho.

so it does NOT need the trigger of mob attacking me to apply burn? Wording is abit off for me

[glass bone]

For reference, base scorch cast with no Poms or rarities is like 40 scorch every 1 second

[warm matrix]

well sounds good.
i wanted to make anubis staff build with it

[opal pecan]

It's not "apply Scorch on the enemies whose projectiles got destroyed"?

[glass bone]

Oh wait, huh… I thought it was just 400 per 3 seconds

[warm matrix]

nah, its "destroy ranged shots and inflict scorch on the attacking foes"

so that's why am i asking

[opal pecan]

I'm pretty sure that means "the enemies whose projectiles got destroyed"

It's specifically the "the" which makes me think this

[warm matrix]

yeah, the wording sucks here kinda

[opal pecan]

Because if it was enemies that were attacking you, it should just say "inflict Scorch on attacking foes"

But "inflict Scorch on the attacking foes" implies that it's referring back to something or a subset of something, i.e., the reference to projectiles being destroyed

[glass bone]

Ok yeah it’s 400 scorch on the enemies who’s projectiles got blocked

[opal pecan]

DTB, maybe an EA version of her legendary was different?

[glass bone]

Look ima be honest, I don’t use it much, and had to reread how it works…

[warm matrix]

i made a Circe scorch build but im not sure it did a lot of scorching tho, maybe cuz i had a lot of Pyro Technique percentages

[glass bone]

I know it makes a second cast in a sense, and also doesn’t block all projectiles, and also that it sucks…

[warm matrix]

scorches were ticking extremely fast

well if it gives 400 scorch every 3 seconds it would be very potent

[opal pecan]

Pyro Technique wouldn't decrease your Scorch amount. It might increase your Scorch amount (that is to say, kill enemies with Scorch faster than your non-Scorch damage outputs can get in)

The thing to worry about wrt Pyro Technique is mainly Scorch uptime for Origination etc. if you aren't applying enough Scorch fast enough in the first place

[warm matrix]

oh, i thought it works in the way that scorch ticks its damage faster meaning the length will be shorter

[opal pecan]

Length shorter, but damage output same or greater

Total amount of Scorch damage wouldn't ever be decreased by PT

[warm matrix]

yes, i ment that

my scorches were ticking off very fast because i had a lot of percentage in PT

so +400 every 3 seconds would be very good. But i guess no

this legendary looks like crap without it tbh

[opal pecan]

The projectile delete can come in helpful but it's not legendary-worthy, is my opinion

It's okay auntie Hestia I still love you 🥺

[flint widget]

ngl most legendaries suck

[opal pecan]

Shocking Loss is great if you can get it early, Nervous Wreck is fun, King Tide is fine, All Together is a bit of a gamble but can be absolutely clutch

[glass bone]

Hermes legendary…

[opal pecan]

Shoutout to Hera via Aphrodite giving me like a bazillion percent dodge chance

[austere trail]

nervous wreck my beloved

[tawny imp]

the +500 armor damage special actually goes insane on morrigan

[glass bone]

And I don’t care that I could be using Time Piece. A 1% chance to find it, then block damage at the cost of becoming poor is not fun.

[silent crow]

nah legendaries are pretty decent

[glass bone]

Well, okay. It’s a 1% chance to find it

[silent crow]

usually happy to see one

[austere trail]

yeah paid dues is great if it's the boon right before the final fight

[flint widget]

hades 2 is like irl, with enough money ur wallet takes the hits for u instead of u

[opal pecan]

The "legendaries" on some of the helper NPCs are kinda not very legendary though

[silent crow]

the only bad ones imo are paid dues and. um. hestias?

[opal pecan]

COUGH COUGH DIONYSOS

[silent crow]

i mean demeters is underwhelming but its not bad by any means

[opal pecan]

I love Demeter's wdym underwhelming

[silent crow]

might be pretty good even

10% multiplicative is probably better in this game than hades 1

[opal pecan]

It works on final bosses. Sick as hell. I've got to get it against Chronos someday.

[glass bone]

I don’t like that they changed Dem Legendary for Rival Prom

[silent crow]

theres also um hephs might be. a little weak on some weapons but its not bad at all

[opal pecan]

Heph's is worthy of the name "legendary", I think. Yeah, some of the weapons don't benefit from it as much, but it's something super unique that you can't get anywhere else in the game.

[tawny imp]

itas also insane on some weaposn

[flint widget]

winter harvest came in clutch during my chronos fight on a 62f eos run so it's my goat legendary

had like what 20 hp no dds left

[opal pecan]

Grandma to the RESCUE.

[silent crow]

i dont think any legendaries are on hades 1 level like posedons "your weapons are more inconvenient to use" or artemis' "you will never get this on a cast build" or aphrodite's "random chance to break your muscle memory"

[glass bone]

I like Shocking Loss for Olympus and Tartarus in high fear with hordes + grit

[warm matrix]

just loot it from the shop before last bosses. Pff, problems.

[silent crow]

hades 1 legendaries are truly terrible

[opal pecan]

IDR any of the H1 legendaries, what were the effects of the three you mentioned?

[flint widget]

true

[silent crow]

Poseidon: Double knockback effects (but not double damage, or anything beneficial)
Artemis: +2 cast stones
Aphrodite: 15% charm on weak effect

[flint widget]

never had one in my 30 hours of playtime

[flint widget]

fascinating effects

[silent crow]

the only good h1 legendaries were demeter (who is the worst god in hades 1) zeus (lol) and. hermes?? sometimes

ares' legendary was bugged to be not that good im pretty sure also

[tawny imp]

to be fair poseidon has a 2nd legendary boon thats the best one in the game

[silent crow]

me when i spread misinformation on the internet

[opal pecan]

NGL I get why it's there but the knockback effect on Poseidon stuff is why I personally prefer Hestia > Poseidon 99% of the time for attack/special

[tawny imp]

huge catch erasure

[flint widget]

true

[silent crow]

in hades 1 the knockback dragged the first enemy you hit so you would have to play catchup with enemies

[flint widget]

plus scorch is just way better than waves

[opal pecan]

I haven't run the numbers or anything so I'm just speaking as a casual player who gets annoyed by stuff

[devout ermine]

im trying persephone skull out and i cant aim the damn thing on controller, its too slow

[opaque holly]

Persephone special does feel hard to use

[devout ermine]

its not the special

its the attack i cant aim

[warm matrix]

so about hestia... Aphrodite + demeter + ares?

[flint widget]

just aim 💯

[warm matrix]

just aim 100? 🙂

[flint widget]

ez game

[opaque holly]

What are the best use cases for waves? Exhaust riser coat attack is probably my best wave experience so far

It was ludicrously strong

[flint widget]

if u don't have hestia in your pool

[opaque holly]

I did also have king tide and arterial spray

Which helped 😂

[glass bone]

Mel Coat, Hel, Anubis, and possibly Eos

[opaque holly]

I was on Selene lmao

[flint widget]

where's nyx

[glass bone]

If I’m playing Nyx, I want scorch missiles

[flint widget]

nyx wave specials is decent

[warm matrix]

how to build anubis+tides tho?

[devout ermine]

i agree, having used it myself

[flint widget]

what about blitz my goat

[silent crow]

get closer to the enemy

[devout ermine]

but i dont want to take dmg, im on frenzy 2

[glass bone]

That’s scorch but male and also better /j

No but really though… Blitz missiles can also just be scorch missiles

[opaque holly]

Blitz on coat special is insane

Thermal dynamics, arc flash

It’s just so free

[flint widget]

really? arc flash?

[glass bone]

The idea is OSpecial

[opaque holly]

Forever

[glass bone]

Which works, but I think Double Strike with plain Special is better

[flint widget]

for me it's just spam specials o specialing is inconvenient

[opal pecan]

Romantic Spark is the Blitz boost that I really want on coat

[silent crow]

you gotta learn to be close range and not take dmg

[opaque holly]

I guess I’ve only really played Selene coat

So I focus on magick spam

[glass bone]

Makes sense.

[silent crow]

based

[flint widget]

just don't get hit 💯

[silent crow]

1000% based do not let these haters deter you

[glass bone]

I do have good news though; that form of Selene is worse Mel / Nyx Coat. So you’ll feel even stronger with Mel Coat

[opaque holly]

Should try Mel coat but I’m trying to play a non Mel aspect for most of the weapons lol

[flint widget]

speaking of selene, how does selene night cycling work

im curious

[opaque holly]

I…have not tried

Coat omega attack felt too clunky for me

I just spam regular attacks in between o specials

[glass bone]

Idk. My Selene 62 SF (which I did a few hours ago btw yipeee) had Hitch Shimmering Rockets for room clear, and Ferocity Skyfall for bosses.

[flint widget]

actually used the aspect!? impossible! it can't be!

[devout ermine]

no attack boons offered to me by erebus midboss room

what the hell

[glass bone]

It did happen. Though again, it was Skyfall plus worse Mel coat

[flint widget]

whats the status report on ur 48/48

[glass bone]

46

[flint widget]

what aspects are left

ik u already did all aspects underworld

[silent crow]

this is like saying than axe is attack speed plus worse mel axe

[glass bone]

43 unique clears are uploaded onto my channel; Mel Skull, Persephone, and Selene have to put up. And the aspects left are Hel and Shiva SF

[flint widget]

didn't daiyu rawdog a shiva 62 surface run with blitz attack and that's literally it (back in ea)

[glass bone]

Idk tbh…

[flint widget]

just highroll for heph blasts or blitz trust

[glass bone]

I expect Shiva SF to be Blast, Blitz, or Scorch + maybe Night Bloom as a hex

[flint widget]

is hel gonna be same thing except add waves onto the list

[glass bone]

Shhh don’t tell them that. It would ruin the fun out of high fear /j

[opal pecan]

Folks, I anvil gambled and lost shimmering moonshot in exchange for a couple of total trash omega move hammers 😔 Never gamble 😔

[flint widget]

nah always gamble

[glass bone]

In my Selene attempts, one of them was reset cause I gambled hitting Blitz Special with Bridal Glow. It missed and hit Scorch cast

Lost the 50/50, but I take that 50/50 every time

[opal pecan]

Bridal Glow gambling aint the worst, at least it doesn't delete part of your current build

[glass bone]

I feel like those two are comparable in that way, but it’s not as easy

[devout ermine]

found the world's most useless bridal glow, it buffed my already capped ionic gain

[glass bone]

Mel Coat gets a +20% boost to 3 stats (14% for attack speed I think, 20% to movement speed, and also scales better with attack speed for some reason). Meanwhile, Selene’s use is just the hex. If you don’t build into the hex, then you are playing a worse coat.

[opal pecan]

WDYM by scaling better with attack speed?

[glass bone]

There’s some post made by Silly in Speedcord that shows how Mel Coat scales extremely fast and inconsistent with attack speed boosts like Rapid Frame and Nimble Limbs

[plucky pendant]

Idk you can get Ares on Mel axe and get 100% attack speed plus around 60% damage and 50 base damage and health.

[solar iris]

can someone give me cryptic/riddle-like hints to get the hidden aspect for Staff, Axe, and Torches?

like talk to me like some oracle who won’t say things straight

[glass bone]

Maximize a hand. Find your not animal familiar thing. Then repeat the chant you hear.

[opal pecan]

To find what is hidden, first unlock what is apparent. Then you may examine what is apparent, and seek those who have given their names for the cause.

[solar iris]

ahhhhh

okay i THINK i get it

[glass bone]

I guess instead of thing I should have said creature

That would make it more clear

[austere trail]

the creature

[opal pecan]

Also be warned that this specific channel is an all spoilers allowed zone (channel description!!), so if you don't want spoilers, beware.

[opaque holly]

How do speed boosts interact with dash strike? Exhaust riser etc

[warm matrix]

just had the cursed run ever. Rolled all 10 dices on two doors to get gods i needed, which did not give me what i need, and on part 2 and 3 of the run i got the needed gods on third(!) rooms 😄

just what the f

[solar iris]

it’s funny you say that given that for all my fun times in this channel i actually have zero idea how to find the other three aspects

i got morrigan, shiva, and hel by complete accident

I dont even know how i manage to get Medea to give me the waking phrase foe Hel(?), it just happens

[opaque holly]

Aren’t the requirements the same for every weapon?

[plucky pendant]

I mean tbf it's not hard there are really only two requirements

[flint widget]

holyyyyyyy attack spam is actually so good wtf (mel torches)

[solar iris]

DTB said “maximize a hand”, i think they mean that i should make my arcana grasp 30/30?

[flint widget]

hit the nuts with blitz attack racing thoughts and sudden burst

[plucky pendant]

No, but that's probably a good idea to do

[solar iris]

i already did that, so probably not it

[glass bone]

The hand is part of an arm

[opaque holly]

||1) unlock all other aspects for that weapon, 2) level up a non-Melinoe aspect to V, 3) talk to the ingame character whose name is on one of the aspects again and again until they give you the sauce||

^^spoilers for weapon unlocks

[opal pecan]

They are in a general sense (you can describe them with a single simple sentence and they follow the same principle), but not in a specific sense (the specific details differ).

[solar iris]

oh, nocturnal arms.

Im toopid

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1442219327922241656/image.png?ex=6924a2ea&is=6923516a&hm=3cb344889fda3ac5ac8899fc0350a1b214e6086e6b7ef3755030347c690eee95& ban Olympians from not offering special or attack when you don't have a special or attack boon smh

[glass bone]

I’m gonna be honest I might have made that too cryptic

[glass bone]

Hey uh… I see an attack boon there

[plucky pendant]

I mean I perfectly understood both of them but I've already done it so...

[hollow stag]

For Thanatos Scythe and if I were to start with Apollo Keepsake, what should I use Rarify on the most?

[opal pecan]

Sorry, I mean that as in "when you don't have a special or when you don't have an attack"

[glass bone]

Oh

[plucky pendant]

Attack

[opal pecan]

Lewd uncle please just gimme the Heaven Flourish smh

[devout ermine]

i agree, i got stuck without an attack boon until the end shop in erebus once and got screwed on my rivals hec

[glass bone]

Attack.

[plucky pendant]

No what pisses me off and Idk why it happens so often is not getting a mana boon until 2 ft from Chronos

Especially on Charon

[flint widget]

ez damageless rivals scylla

[warm matrix]

just died on Zagreus. What the F.
His charge simple attack and charge AoE attack have the SAME animation. And different timings for dodge.
How can i distinguish one from another??

[hollow stag]

Priority for Thanatos Scythe

1. Apollo Legendary
2. Demeter Omega Attack boost?

[molten lagoon]

The optimal medea skull is to load all 4 skulls and then special right

[plucky pendant]

Have a build to blitz him. Or run away and pop shot. Those were my only two stars for a while

[glass bone]

No. Attack -> Special, repeat

[plucky pendant]

Whirlwind hammers are also very very important

[plucky pendant]

You don't want all 4 skulls because it takes a second to collect and reload. If you alternate between attack and special you can spam it and still output ridiculously high damage

[molten lagoon]

I just need to get used to the pattern cause sometimes I’ll crash out and start spamming both after i miss the harpies tiny ass hitbox

[warm matrix]

i mean, most of the bosses in this game are designed quite good, but that's another boss that's really bad. It is really simple and has so much cheap damage making it SO harder for a melee oriented build. Especially that his usefulness is very questionable, if you think about it.

[plucky pendant]

Do you use m+k or controller?

[molten lagoon]

Keyboard and mouse

[plucky pendant]

Can't help you then.
If you have controller you can slide your finger and it's makes it really fluid and works really well

[warm matrix]

btw i found it really hard to pull on M+K cuz my specials werent launching from time to time for some reaon

[molten lagoon]

That dragon miniboss in Olympus is also a pain with skulls because its hitbox is weirdly small

[warm matrix]

i understand that it's the best weapon combo in the game BY FAR, but i guess its only on controller

[molten lagoon]

Like if i keybinded differently it’d be easier to spam probably

[plucky pendant]

You get hit with boiling blood and then he decides to spin to win and it's like 50 damage. I was honestly shocked

[warm matrix]

use LMB then RMB but it didnt launch every time to me this way. Idk why.

[molten lagoon]

Is prometheus or heracules supposed to be prioritized first

I usually go prometheus since hes more ranged

[plucky pendant]

I do the numpad instead of the mouse for attack cast and special. That way I can still slide the few times I'm stuck with keyboard. And then just have Mel follow the mouse and it makes it work ok. I like controller more for these games

[drifting current]

Zagreus...yeah, he's crazy tough. I got really lucky when I beat him. I had skulls, so I used hit-and-run tactics a lot. Still burned all 3 death defiance

[plucky pendant]

Hera since you can get him down really quick and it's basically a standard Prometheus fight beyond a few new attacks. He's actually really easy to dodge if you aren't up close.

[warm matrix]

yeah, his design is pretty bad. I mean, if you design a boss with two vastly different attacks on the same charge move with the same animation - do the attack frames the same. The fact that they arent and you physically dont have the knowledge what attack goes next and you can't dodge both of them because the have different attack frames is just bad design.

[opal pecan]

Yeah, Heracles can't blast the arena with a billion different fire attacks or summon minions. I'd rather deal with him for sure.

[molten lagoon]

I tried to connect a switch controller but it broke my mind so I gave up on that.
I guess i have ps4 controllers but ive literally only played bloodborne and disgaea 3,4, and d2 on that

[warm matrix]

i dont have problems with the damage, its just the attack pattern that frustrates me

[plucky pendant]

My strat that's worked fairly consistently was dodge to the back left of where he's standing. And 95% of the time I dodge.

And if he doesn't spin to win you can get in some nice damage (sometimes)

[warm matrix]

yeah, but when he does you get cheap damage

[molten lagoon]

The fight becomes pretty free once its just heracules since you can tickle him with an attack and run away and then repeat from my experience

I guess when the timer on it’s unoptimal though

[plucky pendant]

But you are dealing with both of them the entire fight including trying to dodge Heracles during the landing strip phase

It frustrated me so I just kill Heracles immediately

[molten lagoon]

Idk I just find the arena wide enough to just ignore him while i memorize the patterns

Especially with the zoomed out view

[opal pecan]

He's not really hard to dodge

[plucky pendant]

Tbf I don't think it matters all that much you just need to kill who gives you the most problems first. For me Heracles kicks my ass if I don't focus on him.

But I've played enough Prometheus that I can dodge him on second nature

[molten lagoon]

I just find that second phase aoe of heracules to be annoying since he can just choose to do it whenever

[plucky pendant]

Or the spin to win that you can't do anything about especially if you're going melee

[warm matrix]

i ran out of seeds to plant

[molten lagoon]

I havent seen a S-Reed in like 2 successful typhons

[plucky pendant]

Hecuba is goated. Unfortunately plants are boring at my stage of the game.

[warm matrix]

i really want to take cat with me cuz fishing drags me out of combat flow 😄

seems like attack speed hammer 50% does not actually affect the Anubis attck circle and only affects staff animation

that... sucks

[wide chasm]

which god should i use on special in a special focused mel staff build? also any recomendations for duo boons and stuff

[warm matrix]

hestia's fireball special is huge

[opal pecan]

Anything with a +dmg% will be good for your special

[wide chasm]

like the scortch? im talking about multipliers

[warm matrix]

just remember that double special hammer does NOT spawn two fireballs from Hestia

[opal pecan]

No, Controlled Burn is a non-core boon that can be stuck on your omega special

[wide chasm]

rn im torn between ares and apollo but im not knowlegble enough about duos

[opal pecan]

Duos means two gods, it's in the name; what is the rest of your god pool?

[wide chasm]

oh yeah i usually go for that one, my usual build goes apollo/ares, hestia then whatever the build lacks

[wide chasm]

no like duo boons recommended to go for in a special build

[opal pecan]

Oh, are you at the very beginning of the run?

[wide chasm]

im relativley new to hades 2 and recently got the hang on boss patterns but im still lacking the knowledge to form op builds based on duos

like relativley new as in beat the game a few times

[warm matrix]

there arent a lot of really powerful duos, most of them got balanced pretty well
so you get a considerable amount of damage from nearly any of them

[opal pecan]

H2 doesn't rely as strongly on duos as H1 did

You're not building your entire run around them

[warm matrix]

getting a build going in underworld is insanely hard...

[wide chasm]

oh

that explains a lot

[opal pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1442231190588493845/image.png?ex=6924adf7&is=69235c77&hm=54fd728c688c7e0b4d3e04bf140697cf8974bd5d81015d6d170f93dc28a656d2& anyway I'm boutta crash out

Fields and still no attack boon 🙃 Auntie. Pls.

[wide chasm]

is it? i've done a few back to back olympus runs and the lack of chaos boons is noticable

[warm matrix]

on olympus you have the giant field with rooms that you can plan you build on 🙂

you dont have that in underworld

[wide chasm]

oh right first floor is really good for build choosing

[warm matrix]

yes, exactly. Last run i did not have god blessings for 5 consequitive room in underworld

[opal pecan]

I'm going into Tartarus without an attack boon I'm gonna evaporate

[warm matrix]

sometimes that can really f your build options

[wide chasm]

on the other hand all the monster rooms (except for the damn tartarus floor) are really easy on underworld compared to some of the bs on olympus

[warm matrix]

thx game, but i dont need more mana or hp cuz i have no build to work them with 😄

[warm matrix]

first floor on olympus is SO easy its laughable, come on

i mean, biome

[wide chasm]

im talking late

[warm matrix]

yeah we're talking about different stuff then 🙂 I was talking about difficulty to get the build rolling

[wide chasm]

oh yeah

olympus first floor is easy for building

[warm matrix]

also, rerolling the rooms in 1 olympus biome tends to give you more gods that are in your god pool so usually you reroll 2-3 times max to get the god you potentially want.

there is no such thing in tartarus

[wide chasm]

really? i only recently reached 8 rolls so i dont have much experience room rolling

[warm matrix]

yes, the first town rooms in surface run have a very high chance of giving you gods that you already have

i once had a situation where i spent all 10 rerolls and got ONLY zeus and aphrodite 😄

[wide chasm]

alr ty

[warm matrix]

ten times in a row they were just switching each other haha

right now im in a run in underworld and i have 4 rooms in a row with recourses

well thanks, i guess

[hollow stag]

Is there a stronger build for Thanatos Scythe (Apollo)

than Ares and Hestia Duo for Wounds proc and Grevious Blow

[opal pecan]

Ares Hestia duo only works on the fireball stuff though?

[hollow stag]

Yes, Cast

[opal pecan]

I don't think that's particularly Thanatos-specific

[surreal hazel]

Thanatos makes everything work tbh

Just does everything

[dreamy veldt]

I had a super fun run with uhhh the one blades aspect that's not Artemis or Mel or morrigan

[opal pecan]

Pan?

[surreal hazel]

Homing daggers

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah that, I had Zeus attack Poseidon special and like 17 buffs on omegas

[hollow stag]

Maybe Thanatos Axe doesn't need Omega Channel Speed boost as much if Ares' Plasma is part of the build

Though Cut Above is nice, though Omega Attack will probably delete mobs before Blades can hit.

[surreal hazel]

Posideon special might be a weaker choice due to some limitations on splashes but they're still strong

[dreamy veldt]

I had the extra knives hammer and the bouncing knives one

And flood gain

[surreal hazel]

Crouching tiger, hidden knives

[dreamy veldt]

I almost choked so hard though, because I picked fleece going into summit, then realized I had taken 13 damage

[surreal hazel]

Derp

[dreamy veldt]

So I started intentionally getting hit

Then I started unintentionally getying hit

I ended tail at 20hp I think

Splash ended up being my highest damage tho

[oblique hazel]

i feel insane whenever i see people praising dancing knives or shimmering moonshot like i really cant see how theyre not a downgrade i'd rather piercing than ricocheting every time am i crazy

[opal pecan]

WDYM downgrade 🤔

[oblique hazel]

maybe its just a visual thing but it feels like it they hit less enemies than if they just pierced like normal

i think its just that i dont have control over where the projectile goes tbh

[opal pecan]

I guess. My thinking is just that pierce only matters if they're actually lined up in a tidy line, whereas ricochet doesn't care what arrangement they're in. Plus there's the damage bonus.

[surreal hazel]

Dancing daggers can ricochet off walls into targets

It's basically ghetto pan on ospecial

Definitely pairs nice on hidden daggers

[bright path]

Spend two full biomes taking Hestia over better doors 'cause I'm desperate for a regen boon
Never once wonder why I'm not running out of mana in this greedy Moros Torches run
Finally look down and realize I've had Born Gain all along

This is why saving and quitting mid-run is dangerous

[devout ermine]

guh

i know its frenzy 2 but i still,

p3'd again

it feels so bad losing that close

[gloomy pivot]

What is the best boon setup and like hammers for aspect of thanatos to kill chronos easily

[dreamy veldt]

💀

[vernal quiver]

Shimmering is one of the strongest staff ones lol

The damage scaling is nice and it makes it to where 1) you dont have to position to get max value 2) still pierces and 3) ends up being some insane room clear

Also set it up with hera special and now everything in the room has hitch and took huge damage

[digital juniper]

yeah shimmering moonshot is great

i love it because you can now forget about aiming

[opal pecan]

As a certified bad gamer, I love to not aim

[mystic cipher]

Hi, noob question : I just upgraded the aspects of the witch's staff, are they all active or do I have to choose one ? I feel like only the last one I bought is active, and I don't understand how to change the one I want active. Thanks !

[sour fog]

can someone explain the hera boon that primes all magick or something like that? i never actually used it yet

[sour fog]

idk either

[mystic cipher]

oh my bad I found it, you have to press interact near the staff

[magic moss]

you only get the aspect bonus of the one currently active. To change your aspect, yes you interacvt with the weapon itself after equipping it

[mystic cipher]

yes thank you fellow witch's staff enjoyer x)

[opal pecan]

After you completely run out of magick, it will restore all of your magick instantly but prime a certain amount. Every time this happens, another x magick will be primed. However, it will reset when you leave the room.

[magic moss]

Born Gain takes your max magick, primes the amount, then refills it to full after you run out. For example, if you have 100 max magick with a Born Gain that primes 20, then after you use 100 magick and you use more magick, born gain will prime 20 magick for 80 max magick, then refill it to full so you have 80 magick to use. This continues until you can't prime anymore. The priming resets after every location

[bright orbit]

Any tips for Great Chaos Above? It's my last major achievement needed, and I finished Greater Chaos Below. I've only gotten to Prometheus with it once, kind of floundering here.

[glass bone]

Expect to not get one specific build, and take whatever you can get. Make sure you’re used to the different vows and bosses (rivals included)

Gonna be honest though, I haven’t done Great Chaos Above / Below either (but I have done “high fear runs” that turn on too many vows)

[vernal quiver]

You gotta be flexible and know how to do a decent amount regardless of setup, also learn how to deal with some of the more restricting vows like denial and forfeit

Sometimes the vows can be evil but its not enough fear to be too much of an issue

[opal pecan]

Not being able to pick your arcana or keepsakes is kinda huge

[vernal quiver]

How many arcana does it force select

[dreamy veldt]

For some reason this run loved giving me bones and ash and I was playing Mel axe trying to stack hp and also just wanted to continue the meme so I just kept picking ash

By Scylla I had like 200 hp but 3 boons

[edgy nacelle]

max scars 👏 wayward son 👏 max pain 👏 strength 👏 huntress and unseen 👏 👏

I should rly take a break from fear and speed to finish up my save file… I haven’t done 3 chaos trials iirc, or born to win, or silk and spitefulness

[opal pecan]

That's your new warmup :P

[edgy nacelle]

sigh….. maybe great chaos

ngl I don’t think “trial of doom,” which I did on a prev save, is much of a warmup

I just need to take gorgon amulet to arachne now tho, so that should go fast? and that can just be a strength run w athena start, maybe I’ll do pikes or something. can’t rly do task for start </3 sadly

born to win……. kinda can’t be a serious run, but won’t take long

[vernal quiver]

Playing mel axe at high fear is dash attack spam yeah?? Im getting tired of staff and just wanna play smth new

[spiral wadi]

one of the primary ways to play it ye

[edgy nacelle]

yup, dash attack spam + specials to apply a curse if needed afaik

[vernal quiver]

Alright sick, might just mess around with it at 67f for funsies

[edgy nacelle]

dashing heave ideal, seething marauder I believe didn’t used to work w dash strikes but now does…?

[vernal quiver]

And i take it its just hera/Zeus on atk and special respectively

Or ig any % damage and a curse

[edgy nacelle]

hera and zeus for high fear? groundbreaking…
also yes

[opal pecan]

Man, I love when I get a cocoon room in Erebus and the location reward is in the very last cocoon that I break 🙃

[edgy nacelle]

I like aphro/apollo attack as well, but worse for orig

also, insert passion rush mel axe propaganda here (it’s fun and surprisingly good when all you do is dash spam at melee range)

[vernal quiver]

Truuue

[edgy nacelle]

I also love when I try to ignore the enemies and just claim the reward, but I artificer it into a menu reward and can’t interact with it until they’re all dead, and then I break additional cocoons while trying to kill them

[opal pecan]

Hey!! That just happened to me!!! 🙃

[fierce citrus]

How to yous feel about Circe removing a vow in high fear?

I feel like I shouldn’t do it but like it’s so dumb if I don’t

[spiral wadi]

it's entirely personal preference dw

[opal pecan]

Watch her remove Frenzy 2 when you're on Time 3

[vernal quiver]

Yeah i dont but ik some high fear players do

[spiral wadi]

i do find it's wack when it drops a crazy vow, but then u kinda lose anyway so

[fierce citrus]

The amount of times she removes frenzy 2 then I don’t know the timings and die is wild

I feel like I’m cheating when I take it but I can’t not just take it lol

[vernal quiver]

Ok mel axe feels super fun i just gotta not be ass

Literally havent played the weapon since EA

[fierce citrus]

Why play Mel axe when Charon is right there

[vernal quiver]

67f lmao

[fierce citrus]

I had to clear with Mel axe for the bearing dark gifts quest I played it like Charon lmao

[fierce citrus]

Just play 65 and turn return off

[devout ermine]

gotta learn how to play return its not that bad

[tall notch]

oi whats the return hate

[fierce citrus]

Yea it lowkey is

[opal pecan]

How tf do you pay Mel axe "like Charon" lol

[fierce citrus]

Spam omega special except the cast dosent explode but still go for omega cast boons even though your never gonna use them

It works trust did it on 32 surface

[warm matrix]

got almost 200k scorch damage last run

[devout ermine]

i mean ospec on mel axe isnt horrible but def not how i would play

[warm matrix]

second damage number was a dash strike which did not have any upgrades 😄

[warm matrix]

just say that you forgot to change the weapon and that's it, there is nothing to be ashamed of

[tall notch]

but then why not just do the same thing on Than and get crit chance for the ospec

[fierce citrus]

Nah I had to clear with Mel axe for an achievement

[fierce citrus]

Spamming attack on than is fun I rarely use omegas with it

Even though that destroys the whole point of the aspect

[warm matrix]

my man

[silent crow]

i use the ospec on mel axr

i think its pretty useful

[fierce citrus]

you also get omega cast boons that you never use right

[silent crow]

no not really

[warm matrix]

u use demetra for her special upgrade?

[silent crow]

sometimes

[warm matrix]

i wanted to make a run with the mace

suggestions?

maybe ospec?

[edgy nacelle]

aspect of nergal? psychic whirlwind is amazing on it

[vernal quiver]

Nergal mostly just wants psychic whirlwind then you turn your brain off and anything works

[warm matrix]

yeah well i usually dont count on a specific hammer upgrade. You never get them whe you need them 🙂

my first ever clear was with the nastiest thing in this game - the 6-skull shotgun

and im 70 nights in and i NEVER saw it again 😄

[silent crow]

i mean the oatk on its own is fine

[edgy nacelle]

I also don’t, which is uh. why I don’t really play Nergal, I don’t like how it feels at baseline very much.
in general with Nergal I’d recommend % boons on the attack, and stuff like attack speed. you can night cycle or spam basic attacks, it works well enough

[silent crow]

idk nergal seems like a weapon that is really begging for either a high damage cast or good hammers

[silent crow]

because i cant imagine playing it relying on basekit

[warm matrix]

i can see apollo + demetra ospec on it

[silent crow]

yeah you need to hard fish for the legendary

[warm matrix]

apolo's one? I guess, yeah

phew, while chatting i ALMOST ran from the frog without petting it after the run

crisis averted

[edgy nacelle]

you could also go full plasma for attack speed lol, as a fun run

OH also heph legendary goes very hard on Nergal

[warm matrix]

oh, never even thought about his legendary. Gotta check what it does 😄

holy sh

so it goes 9-6?

[fierce citrus]

upgrades nocturnal arms

[warm matrix]

from 9 attacks to 6? Since its -3 per level

lol

well, lets try... Idk, ares + heph

always wanted to try nail coffin, it souns fun

[fierce citrus]

swords in general are meh

dont get me wrong there good but your better off with anything else

[warm matrix]

yeah, they do literally zero damage

i can see how the wall paint dries faster then they fall

[fierce citrus]

yea even when you get both duos they become ok but there just not good compared to other stuff

[warm matrix]

maybe with circe

[fierce citrus]

nah the swords only drop from one cast

[warm matrix]

lol

[fierce citrus]

not both im pretty sure

[warm matrix]

bummer

[fierce citrus]

its alright with charon

[warm matrix]

i think everything is allright with charon

[fierce citrus]

if you are gonna go for a cast build the best bet is charon

[warm matrix]

its so OP. A ranged hammer build

no, i wanna make a mace run

[edgy nacelle]

both casts will create swords, but there’s a limit of 1 sword per enemy, so you don’t get 2x damage vs bosses (which circe is usually good at)

[fierce citrus]

do they?

oh yea dw i meant theres a limit

cause I tried it out the other day

[silent crow]

ya its good

[edgy nacelle]

also re: charon, yeah charon is pretty solid with sword ring.
the only casts I’d actively avoid on Charon are smolder ring and storm ring tbh. maybe rapture ring too.

[fierce citrus]

rapture rings not to bad cause of curse

[silent crow]

curse upon thee

[fierce citrus]

but still dem apollo posiden

[edgy nacelle]

it loses damage but at least it’s a curse
which ig is true of smolder ring too to be fair

[fierce citrus]

also heph ring

[fierce citrus]

yea but it will barely put scorch

[warm matrix]

so your suggestions to a hammer build then?

[edgy nacelle]

the same is kinda true of rapture ring, just 1s uptime on weak rip. but not the worst

[edgy nacelle]

unsure what you’re asking
hammer as in daedalus hammer? or as in nergal axe?

[warm matrix]

nergal, yeah

[edgy nacelle]

kinda just what we’ve already talked abt tbh
p.whirlwind if it shows up, attack speed is good, heph leg is good, apollo leg is good, % boons on attack.
try whatever sounds fun to you, or just let the fate’s decide based on what shows up on your run

[silent crow]

man nergal is weird im tempted to do a run without the broken hammers on it

i hit blitz attack room 1 ok

[warm matrix]

congratz, you won

[silent crow]

its actually not bad

[warm matrix]

how do i get the pom keepsake btw?

[silent crow]

did u get the credits

[warm matrix]

yeah

[opal pecan]

Did you only just now get the credits? Keep playing a bit more.

[warm matrix]

about 5-7 runs in

dont remember actually

[opal pecan]

You've never ||gone back and talked to your parents in Tartarus|| after the ending?

[warm matrix]

i've killed charon's guest once and wiped twice on him already 😄

[warm matrix]

yeah, got them last run

couldnt nectar tho, but had it in inventory

didnt have the button, if you're about that

[opal pecan]

If that was the first time you encountered them post ending, then try once more, I think.

[dreamy veldt]

Yee

See person, see if you can give gift, profit if so

And get the coolest keepsakes ever

[warm matrix]

just shove 8 treats in my dog at once

next night she's gonna puke on hecate's carpet

60 max mana, its just wtf

[viral yew]

Toula is still the worst familiar

[warm matrix]

yeah well 4% crit chance... i dont know

60 mana is HUGE with hera

[viral yew]

Raki is very good

[warm matrix]

you basicly can skip 2-3 rooms of mana

[viral yew]

Still take hecuba mana builds

[warm matrix]

while picking anything else

oh, i thought you was talking about the dog

[silent crow]

4% crit is very good

[viral yew]

Free pressure points

[dreamy veldt]

You know I used to think that thinking Toula was the worst is insane but I kinda get it now

[warm matrix]

yeah, mechanicly cat is the weakest

but she's a huge QoL

she skips fishing!

[dreamy veldt]

God I hate fishing

[warm matrix]

that's THE GOAT

[dreamy veldt]

I get that they had to make each familiar gather a thing for you but it's so funny for like Gale and Hecuba

It goes from press this button to press this same button

Whereas Frinos Toula save you from having to think

And Raki just saves you button presses

[warm matrix]

aspect of eos is next on the list... Hmm... Apollo hera?

[viral yew]

Frinos and gale are more useful than toula imo

[warm matrix]

doesnt save you the time btw 🙂

[viral yew]

They can give you way more effective hp

[silent crow]

toula is pretty decent

[viral yew]

Nuh uh

[dreamy veldt]

I value effort more than time

If Toula took the same amount of time as normal fishing I'd still be happy cause I don't have to do it

[opaque holly]

So tranquil gain is hated on

I used it for the first time today

[viral yew]

Tranquil gain sucks

[silent crow]

tranquil gain is good

[opaque holly]

To be fair, JPom, but it was fine?

[dreamy veldt]

It's probably awful if you're on high fear

[warm matrix]

if you pair her with the pin she can be good? Does pin activate before toula spends her life?

[silent crow]

lies

[dreamy veldt]

But on 0 I think it's fine

[opaque holly]

Got to like 200% recovery in 1 second

[silent crow]

tranquil is fine

[viral yew]

Yeah it does (I think idk i never play toula lmfao)

[silent crow]

people just hate standing still

[silent crow]

yes

[viral yew]

Truth

[opaque holly]

Ya I refuse to touch frenzy so it’s fine

[dreamy veldt]

Fair I just figured with frenzy and hordes and stuff

[viral yew]

Frenzy is so free

[dreamy veldt]

But I've never done it so

[viral yew]

It's never a good option in combat

[warm matrix]

so aspect of eos... Suggestion? Fish for apolos leg?

[dreamy veldt]

I mean I get that it's not ideal but I don't think it's awful

[dreamy veldt]

This wouldn't double the day reaker right?

[warm matrix]

i read that it would

[silent crow]

this game has a movement denial circle bruh its fine

[dreamy veldt]

Hey you don't gotta convince me

[dreamy veldt]

Oh sweet

My thing about fear was 99% just to protect myself from someone immediately saying "well you play on 0 fear like a little punk baby so of course it seems fine to you, I play on 87 fear and you literally die for standing still"

[viral yew]

The only person i've seen be like that is long gone cause we bullied them out

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah just an exaggeration for comedic effect

[warm matrix]

yeah well that's a load of cr@p, i play with godmode 40%, so what? And im having a lot of fun with it.
To all sweaters who like to brag - deal with it.

[digital juniper]

time for me to replace them

[silent crow]

nobody is like that here

[viral yew]

Show me your 60f clear and i'll let you talk s**t

[digital juniper]

actually 87 fear is extremely easy. real gamers never go below 96 fear where you die just for existing

[warm matrix]

that was about #h2-builds-and-combat message this massage 🙂

[silent crow]

the worst person in this server is probably me

[digital juniper]

no you’re just ludicrous

[dreamy veldt]

Ha

[viral yew]

Faker:

[warm matrix]

enter the room 1 - dead. I like it

[silent crow]

respect halved

[viral yew]

Theres a mod with fear that goes into the hundreds

[warm matrix]

lol

[viral yew]

60 fear is easy

[dreamy veldt]

My life is basically fear 100 because I'm a league enthusiast and I have to deal with all the bullying

[digital juniper]

is it just the same vows but even more multipliers?

[vernal quiver]

Chat I got a new pb for 67f distance I finally got to oceanus 😌

[digital juniper]

do 62 then

[dreamy veldt]

Let's gooo

[vernal quiver]

Then got hit with some bs fangs and died

[dreamy veldt]

F

[viral yew]

Yep

[silent crow]

owned

[opal pecan]

How do you multiply beyond "zero healing" or "zero grasp" 🤔

[viral yew]

I'm trying, it's not too hard to reach chronos i'm just getting my guts rearranged by p2 and p3

[viral yew]

Things like frenzy 14

[silent crow]

negative healing

fountain is forced damage

[digital juniper]

have you gotten savestates to work? surely that’s more than enough so you do get that clear

[warm matrix]

wait you can loose to artemis?

[viral yew]

Nah I nearly messed up my save, thank god I had a backup but i'm not touching my save files again, tried for hours but couldn't get it to work

I have the rest of the run down, it's practically a guaranteed chronos fight once i'm out of erebus

[silent crow]

i almost beat 62 on my first try with mel staff then i found a thread of people calling mel staff cheap so i felt bad and switched weapons and now im stuck

[viral yew]

Same i almost did it with circe

[opal pecan]

WDYM lose to her?

[warm matrix]

she attacks targets and its like a competition, right?

[opal pecan]

No, Artemis is co-op

[warm matrix]

oh ok

[opal pecan]

In H2 only Nemesis is grouchy enough to make it a competition :P

[vernal quiver]

Insane that people can see someone try one of the hardest things the game has to offer then be mean just because youre using something strong

[opal pecan]

Well, I guess Heracles technically... (but at least he doesn't take your money 😆 )

[digital juniper]

ah thats fair, glad you had a backup

[viral yew]

Boated was cheap for using mel staff to clear 67

[vernal quiver]

Gigaros dual moonshot start 🥀

[viral yew]

Gonna do it the old fashioned way; with a large amount of elbow grease and tears

[broken spoke]

Imagine using weapon

[silent crow]

i almost beat 62 again with eos but tbf that one was cheap fr i had. i had a 6.8s freeze boon

[spiral wadi]

true @ boated play a real weapon

[opal pecan]

So that's what Dash Only is about

[viral yew]

67f gigaros only

[opal pecan]

Gigaros is cheating

[viral yew]

Unironically want to try a gigaros only run

I could do it, would just take soooo long

[silent crow]

i recommend glamour gain so you can get sweet surrender to boost your damage

[viral yew]

Would it be possible to get origination?

[silent crow]

no

[viral yew]

Yeah it would with apollo sprint

[vernal quiver]

Im so sad I got a gigaros start, hera special, and trusty shield but got literally no other damage boons and missed twin moonshot on the hammer so im not even gonna try hecate 😔

[silent crow]

i lied

[viral yew]

Totally dooable lmao, but can I be bothered

[opal pecan]

@ speedrunny types in here, does anyone have a link to Fields maps >_>

[digital juniper]

DASO (Dash and sprint only) is an existing category for speedruns, the WR is a sub 6

[viral yew]

Ask in the speedcord

[digital juniper]

i got you, gimme a sec

[viral yew]

Insane

[opal pecan]

But then I'd have to jo-- thank you Six 🫡

[fierce citrus]

ok i cant lie syclla rival with aspect of supay is fun as hell

[digital juniper]

https://zacharywebsites.wixstudio.com/hades2cg

[opal pecan]

A blessing on your household, a blessing on your fields

[digital juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNsuuzw_-CQ if you're interested

turns out it was a 6:00, not a sub 6, but close enough

[vernal quiver]

Omfg I love how twilight curse is just a fangs thing that can happen literally whenever and ruin the run if you dont see the super small ball

[viral yew]

Ofc it's with nyx

[fierce citrus]

nitro runner heroic on supay i want to take this to 62 fear on the surface now

i still dont have a rush boon

[digital juniper]

yeah in src DASO is split into supay and non-supay. non-supay its either nyx or perse skull

[opal pecan]

Praying for Pyro Technique 🔥 🙏

Double Hestia boons and no PT 😔

[opal pecan]

Wait why Persephone? For the levels?

[viral yew]

For the levels?

[broken spoke]

The good thing it they seems very rare....the bad thing is they seems very rare and fk you out of nowhere

[digital juniper]

yeah

[vernal quiver]

Yeah like I had a gigaros hera special start get shafted by it just now 😭

Like i swear 67f is making things that have never been a problem be a problem

[silent crow]

how have background object collisions been treating you

[vernal quiver]

Genuinely pissing me off

Like yes melinoe get your pinky toe stuck on a branch I can't even see and get hit for 20(i have 30 health) because you couldn't move the 2 centimeters I needed

Especially sucks for return 😔 like please get stuck on the edge of a tree stump melinoe so that armored enemy respawns yes please

[silent crow]

ive seen revenants get stuck OOB in mourning fields in little spots that i think werejt playtested

[silent crow]

i love the inconsistent logic of what foreground elemnts you can dash through also

stuff like this is why some people still play games from the 20th century

[vernal quiver]

I love when I try to dash across a gap and melinoe decides she can't because im at 89° instead of 90°

Tbf it is just a skill issue but like cmon 😭 I didnt have these problems at 65f

[opal pecan]

This gets me on the stupidest things (sticky outy tree roots next to exit doors why can't I dash through you)

[warm matrix]

aspect of eos, what to pick? Apolo and?

zeus maybe?

[opal pecan]

Hera :3

[silent crow]

anything

the only ground rules are that ares special is bad and poseidon attack is bad

[warm matrix]

interesting. Why poseidon attack bad?

fast attack, sounds like a lotta damage from his splash?

[silent crow]

no the primary way you do dmg with attack is the daybreaker

[opal pecan]

Eos is more special-spammy, right

[silent crow]

yea

[warm matrix]

huh

will try it

[opal pecan]

IIRC my best Eos run to date, I had Blitz special + Romantic Spark and kind of just played budget Supay with a bonus Daybreaker doing its own thing in the corner lmao

[warm matrix]

i already have the apolo attack tho 😄

got the heph secondary and apolo's attack makes daze

wanted to go for their duo

[devout ermine]

dazzling display from apollo? swag

[warm matrix]

hammers go bonk

well its a 16 only run, so why not 🙂

i can't go higher cuz im blind and slow

[opal pecan]

I believe in you

[warm matrix]

oh. That's very interesting. If you do NOT stop attacking with Eos, you dont get a second sun after first one runs out

you just continue to attack as usual

[silent crow]

yeah thats the subtle hint from the game to start using your specials

[warm matrix]

and nothing happens

HAMMERS
GO
BONK

i mean hera is good and all, but im standing right now with literally one mana left 😄

[opal pecan]

When you say Hera is good and all, do you mean you have Born Gain and you're totally fine or do you mean you have Born Gain and you're primed out, or something else

[warm matrix]

yes

but yeah, i was primed out to 1 mana left 🙂

made two rerolls on heph and got twice coffin nails in a row

fml

[opal pecan]

I love it when the RNG doesn't take the hint 😂

[warm matrix]

hera made my primary heroic

luv u

got a 3k hammer crit

mutual destruction, rude awakening + hammer special 500 with a base

i like bonks

[opal pecan]

They're FUN

[warm matrix]

idk, i like heph

he's fun and yeah, not the meta, but he still deletes screens on enemies

[digital juniper]

Heph is insanely strong granted you can get the cooldown to 2s and ideally have a duo or two

[warm matrix]

4500 hammer

damn my boi heph, take is easy

[warm matrix]

well im at 4s now

feels nice

oh and my game bugged out and i did not have the explosion animation where you have to stand on a clock Oo

i got 300 damage just from nothing

[opal pecan]

And you're sure it wasn't his other instakill?

[warm matrix]

and dude was channeling something

idk, he has another one?

[opal pecan]

He has two, one with the clock number and a different one with rings of light and dark

[warm matrix]

no, there werent any rings

i understand what are you talking about, i didnt even know it kills 😄

never touched that

he was calmly channelling something on one place

but no animation

well i had fun anyway

4500 damage gigabonk hammer lol

happened only once tho 😄 But still

[warm matrix]

eh, game wants me to do next run with the blades =\ Guess im skipping those decoration mats
Or is there a good and lazy build for any of blades aspects?

i really dont want to mash buttons in melee range

[opal pecan]

You could mash buttons out of melee range if you spam specials :P

[broken spoke]

Morrigan good

[opal pecan]

Or if you have the hidden aspect unlocked, that's got more deliberate comboing

[warm matrix]

oh, i just checked, right, i have only melinoe and pan =\

maybe pan with ospec spam?

[opal pecan]

Mel backstabs are nice, encourages you to be behind enemies for the fat damage, which means melee becomes much less dangerous

[warm matrix]

yeah well you still have to go behind them, no?

[opal pecan]

That's when you either use 1) dash iframes or 2) the omega attack teleport

[broken spoke]

Or 3) special for easy backstab

[opal pecan]

That too but I'm counting that under "spam specials" 😆

[warm matrix]

well 1 is some crazy iq300 moves, that's not for me

[warm matrix]

they backstab? How?

[opal pecan]

The normal special boomerangs

So if you special at an enemy who's facing you, then when it's boomeranging back to you.....

[warm matrix]

well on schelemeus the damage is the same

oh, i was testing on pan

[opal pecan]

No backstabs on that 😆

all non-backstabbing blades are automatically less sick and awesome than Melinoe this is just science facts

[warm matrix]

im gonna stay on place charging Ospec forever, take tons of damage right in the face and then cry that this aspect is bad
Wish me luck

[opal pecan]

I see you typing, Ult

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah I got a 19m run and I was gonna say like hey I got my first run under 20m but I forgot my lowest is 15

[opal pecan]

Your second, then, or did your brain just time-travel :P

[dreamy veldt]

I looked at my records and there was an 18m mine too 💀

So uhhh 3+

Ok staff run, Mel Circe or Momus

They should let you preview the god offerings before you start a run so I can know if I wanna go for Apollo legendary Momus or not

[warm matrix]

anubis hestia

[dreamy veldt]

No, I've won the most with Anubis so I'm doing one of the others

[devout ermine]

im currently doing circe hestia

circe is ez

[dreamy veldt]

I feel like my disappointment that you didn't say Momus is a sign

[warm matrix]

#h2-victory-boasting message
ran today, check the numbers 🌶️

[devout ermine]

i like momus but i presumed you wanted something easy

[dreamy veldt]

I'm gonna follow my heart I think

[warm matrix]

i think momus is also good, no?

[dreamy veldt]

It's ok I'm doing 0f

[devout ermine]

it's pretty solid but you do need to build into it for it to shine

hera is a must have with momus imo

[warm matrix]

how? demeter hestia?

[dreamy veldt]

Racing thoughts start

[devout ermine]

i meant more for her support boons, like Fine Line

freezer burn is a really good duo boon

[dreamy veldt]

Hera Hestia Zeus Demeter pool

[devout ermine]

thermal dynamics,,

[dreamy veldt]

Do I want dual moonshot

[devout ermine]

momus right?

[dreamy veldt]

Yeah

[devout ermine]

dual moonshot sounds nuts on momus to me for burst damage

what special boon you havve?

[dreamy veldt]

Don't have one yet

[devout ermine]

ah

zeus special would make that a deadly tool

[dreamy veldt]

I didn't get offered his special but I did get static shock

Ok Zeus and Demeter in the pool, I'm assuming the answer is yes but do I want both Hestia and Hera

Kinda considering foregoing Hestia to gamble for Apollo

[devout ermine]

what do your core boons look like atp

[dreamy veldt]

Demeter cast

That's it

[devout ermine]

i was going to say hestia on cast was good, but thats not available so ultimately hestia is up to you

apollo would be swag too

[dreamy veldt]

How we feel about Demeter attack

[devout ermine]

fine enough

[broken spoke]

It exist

[devout ermine]

always nice to have some freeze

[broken spoke]

Dmg isn't great but freeze good