h2-builds-and-combat

[tall notch]

how do you build than where you dont feel like you want to whirl for more dps?

I feel like than without spinning kinda just doesnt deal damage later on

[rare crypt]

I always get whacked in the face when I stack the passive and try to spin with Thanatos, at this point I've given up on the spin aspect of, well, that aspect

unless I have the cheater hammer, psychic whirlwind

[shy moat]

@prisma needle vid of dashing through damage into an oattack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671072182926835742/1423700112882012291/safe_dash.mp4?ex=68f3b88d&is=68f2670d&hm=9653440a944a12fc52a23beb967e073b4d013e8c56e0ffd5734aa7f6fda72983&

[young kayak]

in what guys do you guys take the fate's whim keepsakes?

[steep galleon]

I find it pretty versatile tbf, Zeus atk + static shock was a fun one for me

[eager lion]

Can y'all give me something that can defeat rivals Chronos on 32 heat? I'm using death over strength for him now because I've fell to time dome into insta kill one too many times

[prisma needle]

ill try to do exactly that on nergal

[eager lion]

Had a good Circe run until i tried to save scum that daedlus hammer thing that replaces one of your things for two hammers

[shy moat]

it would be so nice if there was a way to have skelly throw attacks at us 🙁

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/DxNhnzM5V08?si=BFnSJahBLVLfgUUz&t=1626 this hel build bullies rivals gramps

[eager lion]

I task manager closed the game and it just erased the night 😭

That's what I get for my greed I guess

[opal pecan]

Noooo

[eager lion]

I still need the materials to get that. Is hel good?

I thought medea was supposed to be crazy

[rare crypt]

One of my favorites (and yeah, it's also very good)

[tall notch]

Medea has high dps but it's one of the least safe aspects to play, Hel is a much safer playstyle

[alpine eagle]

How often when doing high heat, like 40+ do people need to reroll runs? I’m not sure how I’m supposed to get through Erebus when I get first boon onioned, second celeste, third Hermes, fourth heph with only dash damage 🥲

[shy moat]

yeah that's what happens if you force a quit when the game won't let you quit normally

[tall notch]

Also a rivals Chronos tip: deep dissent makes the fight like 50% easier

[tall notch]

rn it's quite reset heavy but the resets happen in room 1 so they're quick and easy

[shy moat]

...it would be nice if there was a selector for room 1 after you do enough, just to stop having to do first room rerolls

I suppose then people would move on to rerolling room 2 though

[steep galleon]

heading in with this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1383166531730673777/1428821137877373048/image.png?ex=68f3e4e1&is=68f29361&hm=f2bbd5139420d4f0d650de15c4f2a417cc8bd1471c1f5a5399dd4499ce3e662a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1243&height=699

also this game really should have had an option to memorize a seed so you can reuse it any time later, dead cells had this

[brittle loom]

is secret crush any good on the base weapon? +9 power doesn't seem very strong, but i do have +150% close up damage and attacks hit twice, 50% faster, 55% extra, 22% extra and 11% bonus damage

[alpine eagle]

That is a relief. I was wondering if most people somehow made it work. Or I got one of those rooms spawn in Erebus with all the fish and they had that boon to give shield to themselves so everything had 4 shields every few seconds. Took ages to clear and I died as a result

[rare crypt]

depends on which weapon, it's pretty good on super low damage weapons like Hel

[brittle loom]

currently using aspect of melinoe

[prisma needle]

ok you right I tried it on nergal I was able to dodge
I still feel like I it has less iframes than a regular dodge somehow idk 😭
thats my conspiracy theory

maybe regular dodge has more iframes at the end

[hasty moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440931049745285131/1428822731146789065/IMG_3527.jpg?ex=68f3e65d&is=68f294dd&hm=18b77907249e3eaf632c63318f3e26645121c7b8dd54f3ee0908089e00e4d2f1& I feel like of all channels image perms should be default here but okay lmao, I don’t think I’ve ever had a more insane build

[umbral elbow]

Does Dionysus reckless abondon, which make you do 5, 55, or 555 damage get increased with Hermes chance boost blessing? Says it has a 13% chance for max damage. Does that increase too 40?

[hasty moth]

In my last run my chances did go up from %7 to %9?

But that is very obviously not %30 so idk

[opal pecan]

The math would work out for it to be 30% of 7%

"Slightly less than one-third of seven percent"

[peak urchin]

tips for vow of rivals fights 😭
im doing it without death defiances and i keep getting my ass kicked

[opal pecan]

Any specific fights?

[hasty moth]

Ohh yeah I forgot how this game does math

[peak urchin]

uhh lets see
Polyphemus, Prometheus, Sirens, Typhon

[opal pecan]

That's just normal arithmetic >_>

[rare crypt]

it's multiplicative, not additive

[hasty moth]

Obviously I don’t mean that it’s doing the math wrong i mean it’s not doing it in the way you would initially think

[rare crypt]

if it was additive it would've been insane, lmao, turns pressure points from 3% crit chance to 33% crit chance

[wind lake]

yeahh

still a 7% increase on 25% chances is nothing to scoff at

[rare crypt]

pretty sure it's great with Air Quality, otherwise not so sure about that Boon

[wind lake]

does that stack with revenants actually?

[shy moat]

I feel like regular dodge has iframes sooner at the start, but this may have shorter invuln too because iframes on dodge end when you begin an attack

[hasty moth]

Completely fair and balanced

Not like you can’t get builds that don’t completely melt bosses already at least

[shy moat]

I swear the familiar +gathering node chance is additive, the amount of s-scales I found once I got maxed birb was nuts after I went four runs without seeing a single one

[rare crypt]

hey, I miss my crazy crits from Hades 1, I'm all for a petition to make it additive :)

bring the Aphro duo, too, while you're at it

[tall notch]

died to sirens, got some awful erebus hammers

[rare crypt]

what build were u going for, standard blitz? or like king's ransom blitz?

or like some spicy blitz build i haven't figured out yet

i might have a Blitz problem, guys

[shy moat]

blitz is a little bit out of line

(It's not you, it's blitz)

[digital juniper]

blitz is always spicy

[tall notch]

I'm at the fates' whim, not much build making there I'm afraid

[opal pecan]

Sounds like you're really blitzzed out. Maybe SGG should've had a bit of a kiblitz to figure out an alternate tuning.

[tall notch]

Sweeping ambush reaper knives dancing knives... can final slice even show up on morrigan?

[digital juniper]

yes

[tall notch]

Istg it's not a real hammer

[digital juniper]

final slice morrigan is so fun

[tall notch]

And the moment i switch off morrigan it's right there to taunt me

[hasty moth]

See my real petition is to bring godhood’s max resistance to 100%

[rare crypt]

yeah, I had a level 28 Heroic Blitz (610 damage) like a week ago, that was some funny damage, extra spicy

[hasty moth]

I’ve been exclusively going for blitz ever since I discovered kings ransom

[rare crypt]

i have yet to make a static shock king's ransom build (with heph duo), but it's on my list of things i wanna try out

the most outrageous thing on my level 28 blitz build was a 95% double strike

sorry, just checked the screenshot, technically 96% double strike (level 31)

[hasty moth]

I think I only got my double strike to like 50%, but I did have like 85% arc flash

And cardio gain meant I could basically never run out of magick so I could just keep pumping out blitz damage like crazy

[opal pecan]

Cardio Gain is my favorite gain boon I think

[steep galleon]

that was a massive success

[hasty moth]

With umbral flames especially

[rare crypt]

Same

[hasty moth]

Like I literally had chronos’s second phase to almost 50% hp before his initial attack finished

[bronze flax]

I find it really neat on multi hit weapons like Hel or Nyx. I am inclining myself a lot for Lucid Gain recently lol

[tall notch]

I almost timed out vs sirens this run is so cooked

[static badger]

they can take a lifetime

[hasty moth]

I don’t exactly understand how fear is supposed to work in this game tbh, like obviously I know what it is but what am I gaining from it compared to hades 1?

[static badger]

I'm finally fast enough for max timer

[static badger]

a customized experience to challenge your strengths and weaknesses

[hasty moth]

So that’s literally the only reason to use it?

[static badger]

well nightmare for aspects

and to get those statues

really it just challenges you to play better

[hasty moth]

Okay yeah that’s what I was wondering

[static badger]

ofc you can get nightmare in other ways that are slower maybe

you can choose to never even touch it

[junior dome]

did they change how chaos works from hades 1, so that in hades 2 it now uses up one of your encounters in the region?

[static badger]

well with the keepsake and ixion from charons well you could get up to three blessings in an area

I think if a miniboss is there you might still have to face it

[wind lake]

damn this is my first every cast build and i just did no damage rivals eris (with the 3 free hits from arcana, though.)

cast builds are kinda fun ngl

ive been missing out

[tall notch]

Chat what's the highest damage keepsake other than antler (for Tartarus)

[static badger]

the fang

[hasty moth]

Ugh I wish I could get gigaros dash before getting to Tartarus

[static badger]

but you can

[tall notch]

Aight im clicking fang

[wind lake]

when does gigaros apply in the damage calc, i usually just take free damage modifiers but i never have the time to check my before and afters

[hasty moth]

Hades keepsake I’m guessing? I can’t give him nectar yet

[wind lake]

like poseidon i can see their worth instantly but % damage i can never parse how much they actually help

[static badger]

gotta finish the game and keep running

I finally got all the new ones after 200 nights in

[hasty moth]

I have finished the game but haven’t made any progress beyond that

[static badger]

there's more dialogue to go through

[hasty moth]

Aspect of hades was one of my favorites in 1 so I was excited to see gigaros dash

[prisma needle]

this must be whats happening then
you only have i frames until the spin attack starts

makes sense

[tall notch]

2.5 mins for r4 gramps... Not happening with this build lmao

[static badger]

that's why I'm happy to see ares sometimes

you can outlast the damage with a life per hit from him

saved my butt before

[junior dome]

i took the chaos gate in ephyrus room 1, and it dumps you in ephyrus city after, so you skip room 2?

[static badger]

usually it will skip a non mini boss room

[opal pecan]

Chaos gates skip the next room generally speaking yeah

[tall notch]

asdkjhasdkjshadhkjsa the fact that timer keeps ticking and dealing damage to you in the intermission from p2 to p3 is so nasty

[static badger]

time flows freely forth

stage 3 is like Hecate, that fight drags on

[tall notch]

alright fates, this time gimme a better build, i already proved to y'all that i can reach chronos p3 with this garbage

[static badger]

you could seek out Athena and get stalwart stand

then put the pin on

[bright viper]

wait that chrones move instakills u

[junior dome]

ah, so they're not a 'free' boon like in H1

[turbid parrot]

mel staff angle

[shy moat]

Makes them painful to buy from the well after the sirens

[wind lake]

omg cast builds are amazing

i went from getting bodied by vow of rival 4 surface to taking less than 100 damage

first ever cast build ty to teaching me the ways 🙏

[patent locust]

Is hephaistos better than apollon for nergal ?

[hollow stag]

How is Aphrodite Special on Skull?

[tall notch]

Alright on Medea/Persephone, wouldn't touch on Mel skull (unless you just want something from Aphro to fill duo prerequisites), on Hel can be good IF you get the Poseidon duo

[bronze flax]

Just to add the last bit about Hel, that also can apply to Persephone, considering Poseidon on Attack is a good source of Olympian damage, and you could aim to get the duo with Aphro on Special

[edgy nacelle]

on Persephone I don't think the poseidon-aphro duo matters as much though...? you move with your special so enemies are always going to be at close range when Aphro special hits.
on Hel your special is a projectile so without the duo it'll just go out of range and stop getting the bonus

[bronze flax]

In all fairness, I'm really not sure what counts as short range for Aphro boons lol, but the waves also do a lot of work and they can get away from the what's considered close and that helps quite a bit

Sorry, when I said "what counts", I mean "how close you have to be" 😅

[edgy nacelle]

the best way to get a feel for it is glamour gain!
it's like... hm, idk, roughly the radius of torch Ω specials, or a bit less? most of the waves from the Ω special should benefit afaik, although also I don't take aphrodite all that often so may be wrong

[tall notch]

"short range' is quite generous, axe swings will trigger it even at the edge of the attack

[digital juniper]

the size of your axe swing or your cast is a good rough indicator of its range

[plucky pendant]

Is there anything that makes argent skull feel good? I'm wondering if I just suck at building around it or if I simply just cannot jive with the play style

[glass bone]

Mel wants a big % Attack boon, Medea wants % Attack Zeus Special, Persephone wants boons that benefit from Poms (such as Heph’s Blasts) or Aphro Special, and Hel wants On Hit Attacks and and a % Special (ideally Hera or Demeter).

[plucky pendant]

I haven't invested any resources into skull as their one you recommend going for first

[ornate frost]

It’s pretty playstyle dependent:

• Mel is the standard and doesn’t cost Nightmares to upgrade so reasonable start
• Medea is good for a faster and more melee style, so go with that if that sounds your speed (it’s my personal favorite skull)
• Persephone is the opposite of Medea in that it’s a bit slower/more methodical and more omega-heavy (special in particular)
• I’m still figuring out Hidden aspect myself but from my limited playing it’s a sort of inverse Persephone (big omega specials and then fast boosted attacks)

For a simpler answer:

• go Medea for faster/melee
• go Persephone for safer/more omega focused

But tbh I’d do at least a few runs with each before deciding to invest in leveling any, as Nightmare is scarce early, and you should be able to get a clear with any aspect at level 1 when so much power is concentrated in arcana and boons

[plucky pendant]

Thank you, I'm sure in some capacity I just don't like the base design of the skull so probably won't ever become a favorite but this at least give some insight so I won't feel weak

[ornate frost]

If I may ask, what specifically is your problem with skulls?

[steep galleon]

Charon is just awful on Chronos p3

[plucky pendant]

Well quite specifically having to collect the skulls to use them deeply threw me off the first time I used them and in subsequent playthroughs they've always felt ridiculously weak in my hands which is why I'm asking for build advice, I don't really have any experience beyond the base aspect

[signal coral]

Pressing special vacuums up nearby skulls

The basic gameplay loop is shooting your clip then pressing special to reload

If its safe you can ram into the enemy with special but if not you can special to the side

Just be aware that special has no invincibility so there's some decision making on whether you try to deal dps with it or just be safe with it

[steep galleon]

Special automatically collects them

[plucky pendant]

I didn't even know that honestly I've just used the special as an either or if that's the gameplay loop for the skulls I've been doing it super wrong which would make sense

[signal coral]

Also note the skulls arent a long range weapon

You want to be mid or close range when firing most of the time so that you can collect the skulls easier with special

If you stand there firing you skulls across the whole map they might be out of range when you press special and you wont collect them

[plucky pendant]

Same kind of range as base torch?

[signal coral]

Yeah roughly torch omega special range is perfect

[plucky pendant]

All right well I don't have hidden aspects yet so I'll probably just focus on base skull. And once I get a feel for it with this newfound knowledge I'll think about spending nightmare

[plush beacon]

I've been defaulting on a strength, origination, and 10 dice arcana spread since EA, but wondering if defiances + the nerf to strength made them more comparable choice wise

[steep galleon]

For Mel skulls you wanna be close enough so that you can pick them up immediately with the special, but far away enough so that they won't be picked up automatically

[plucky pendant]

Are you asking if death and strength are comparable after the nerf? Id personally say so, or are you asking if other builds are comparable to what you rock

[gusty otter]

is it intendid to be able to reroll and end up getting the exact same boon?

[plucky pendant]

Yes, they tend to be a higher rarity from my experience (I don't know if that's true or not) but I've had it happen 3 times in a row, I quit that run I was frustrated.

[viral yew]

Not really, but if you're rerolling boons and have a core boon slot open, it will be much more likely to offer you that boon, plus you can reroll and still get the same boons anyway

[plucky pendant]

Figured as much. I must have just gotten lucky

[junior tinsel]

does anyone know why I can equip the hidden aspects for daggers and the staff but for some reason I can't upgrade them at all or even like unlock them?

[viral yew]

As in you can equip morrigan and anubis but can't upgrade them?

[junior tinsel]

yeah like if i go to where the item just floats in the training area and go to the menu that just shows all 4 of them I can equip them but when I go to the center to upgrade they just aren't there for some reason?

im not sure if this is like a bug or i'm just doing something wrong cuz i cant remember if i got the waking phrases or not

[austere trail]

can you send us a picture of the tabs you see when interacting with the center?

[junior tinsel]

yeah

[austere trail]

normally you should be able to switch between weapon tabs

[junior tinsel]

mmm it seems i cant send it in this chat

[viral yew]

Link it

[junior tinsel]

oh gotchu

[austere trail]

yeah you'll need to send it in a private discord and right click, then copy link

or send it via imgur

[viral yew]

Also is your pfp alucard? The face is familiar

[austere trail]

yep!

[junior tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378610442892738653/1428880288636731483/image.png?ex=68f41bf8&is=68f2ca78&hm=8ca2c98ff7ccaa8811f26e701a0b53ed095777af25d8f20291566e069b380320&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378610442892738653/1428880401677422662/image.png?ex=68f41c13&is=68f2ca93&hm=1558caa5f8c15cf63ca20c7f665456182d8be40ed14ae56997ad19045065e5ac&

[austere trail]

oh what

[junior tinsel]

yeah i was like 😭😭

[austere trail]

that seems like a question for #h2-tech-support

[junior tinsel]

yeah I just wasn't sure if I was missing something haha thanks tho ❤️

[viral yew]

H u h

Definitely bugged

[turbid parrot]

game is punishing you for not playing/upgrading mel staff

[junior tinsel]

😭😭😭 im being punished for playing circe staff 💔

[shy moat]

hidden skull is just wands >.>

[gusty otter]

does anyone know if the devs intend to buff/change Ares since hes perceived by players as weak?

[viral yew]

Never gonna happen

[cerulean panther]

Ares is currently a little weaker than he was in H1 (top 3), he's just still a god that requires investment and the right kit. He's not like Zeus that goes with everything.

[shy moat]

I just wish they'd touch up his plasma to not be a joke without his legendary

[viral yew]

Yeah they really should've kept it how it was

[cerulean panther]

Plasma should have a small innate draw range, make Sanguinary Savor auto-collect without doubling intake, remove the Plasma cap.

[alpine eagle]

Honestly I don’t really mind his plasma as is. It is such a big dmg multiplier as is with certain weapons like torches. They’d have to nerf the drop rates if it always vacuumed.

[cerulean panther]

I don't think it should completely auto-collect, that should still be the Legendary, but we could have a little magnetism.

[alpine eagle]

I never mind taking the ares magic boom for example.

[cerulean panther]

It also requires pretty heavy investment to properly generate the amount of Plasma that's really meaningful.

[alpine eagle]

I guess that depends on your weapon and build. With attack based torches even against bosses I drop a lot, and if you have Hera duo boon then you already start with 20 and attack quite fast

But sure, in other high dmg low output type builds then your plasma generation is probably much smaller

[sinful raptor]

Has anyone else had issues with the Brave Face boon (Hera + Haphaestus)? It doesn't seem to be working at all for me. I'm on Switch 2 if that matters

[alpine eagle]

As in your magick never decreases? The cost is quite steep, like a 30 dmg hit would reduce to 21 dmg and take 90 magick.

[sinful raptor]

Yeah it doesn't take any magick at all, from weak or strong attacks.

[alpine eagle]

Hmmm, maybe a bug, then. 🐛

[vernal shuttle]

what order should I use the fate's whim keepsakes?

[sinful raptor]

Damn. Do you know if there's a Switch 2 bug report anywhere? I don't have the steam version

[edgy nacelle]

pom first pretty much always (calling card first if you want)
usually chrolex second, maybe calling card second if you still have important boons missing from your build (since if the only stuff left is duos and less important boons it won't do much)
I usually don't take more than 2 of them per run

[vernal shuttle]

I thought chronos first would be good so if you get a God you dont want in your pool you can dust it instead?

[edgy nacelle]

you can do that but you're losing so much value from the other two that way
you want to get core boon slots full ASAP, and neither of the other two can affect boons you already have, so either you have to avoid getting your most important boons until region 2 or just have them be un-buffed

taking pom first also makes it buff every boon you pick up the entire run, whereas if you take it later it'll only affect some of them.
idk, I think timepiece is probably the worst one to take first, if I get a god I REALLY don't want that early I'd just switch weapons or reroll the seed, and losing the benefit from the other two for region 1 feels bad

[wise swallow]

Maxing out hephaestus boons to simultaneously have next to no cooldown PLUS have high dmg + insane crit chance to do thousands of damage

[dim flame]

with the reward from echo that gives you +50% life and magick, but make you lose 5% after each location, does that -5% just take the bonus's you get from her or will that eat away at the rest of your already existing life and magick?

[wise swallow]

the bonus only

[dim flame]

alright, i assumed thats what it was but it doesent really clarify by itself so ive never actually taken it

[opal pecan]

The wording does actually specify iirc

It's just a bit, er, subtle about it

[wise swallow]

It does

[opal pecan]

A bit of a "did the player carefully read the entire description" gate 😆

[vital ledge]

pretty usable if you aren't sure if you have enough health for cerby. will be +35% for that fight and run out in tartarus

[wise swallow]

Why have health when you can just Nuke?

[dim flame]

oh it does say of this, how have i never noticed that, now i do just feel like an idiot

[cerulean panther]

Reading is hard, and that's mostly sincere.

[wise swallow]

I didnt notice the vacuum was always where it was today until someone pointed it out

[calm maple]

Wtf why doesn't gigaros dash count towards divinity?

[wise swallow]

You mean origination?

[viral yew]

U mean origination? And it's not an Olympian effect

[calm maple]

Arg ye

[wise swallow]

yeah what green guy said

[alpine eagle]

Maybe submit it here under the Tech Fixes or Tech Support?

[viral yew]

💀

[opal pecan]

Now imagining a lawyer-themed rogueli*e where all the abilities have extremely precise descriptions that you must read carefully or else suffer consequences

It's called Terms of Service

[wise swallow]

[edgy nacelle]

but are you a defense main or a prosecution main

[opal pecan]

Neither -- it's not criminal law at all, it's contract law.

You're an indentured lawyer in service to a galactic mega-corp, of course.

[edgy nacelle]

oof
kafkaesque roguelike somehow

[wise swallow]

How the heck do i get echo's keepsake anyway

Do I have to complete her questline?

[vital ledge]

gift her "after talking to her". it doesn't work before

[wise swallow]

ive always ran away from her the second I received her boon lmao. Guess ill go see

[edgy nacelle]

it's unintuitive but it's because of how her dialogue is written
her boon giving dialogue has her repeat the last thing Mel said to her, often while walking towards her, so interrupting that with the gift dialogue would make it no longer be an echo

[vital ledge]

probably because it wouldn't make sense with the whole repeat mel stuff.

[wise swallow]

DOing surface rn

[opal pecan]

Tryna complete Bearing Dark Gifts and man... boutta get this Artemis run out the door, but I'm extremely not looking forward to having to clear all the axes (I currently only have Than done)

Already died twice in a row with Nergal 😔

[edgy nacelle]

remind me what that is...? I think I did it during EA so I don't recognize the name if it's an achievement. all aspects win or something?

[opal pecan]

Clear with all aspects yeah

Been done favoring my faves hard haha

[cerulean panther]

Find room for Eternity, start Apollo. Lucid Gain for Charon, Nova Strike for Nergal.

[edgy nacelle]

charon should be pretty chill...? mel axe and nergal I p much only enjoy with a specific hammer each lol, they aren't my style
(dashing heave mel, psychic whirlwind nergal)

dash strikes in general feel a lot less punishing on mel even without the hammer, highly recommend. getting locked into the slow attack pattern is annoying

[cerulean panther]

I haven't used Mel Axe in a long long time, I should try its 1.0 buff.

[wise swallow]

Just using the nergal aspect now and this is a funny weapon

[opal pecan]

Yeah, it's that locking that screws me the most, whether mechanically or psychologically

[wise swallow]

Im actually pretty used to that after spamming Hidden sword aspect from the first game

[waxen prism]

What gods should I go with when using the axe to make a decent powerful build?

[wise swallow]

which axe

[opal pecan]

It's been ages but I vaguely recall I was a Twin Fists enjoyer in H1

[waxen prism]

Using melinoe atm

[wise swallow]

I pretty much prioritize aphrodite and zeus

and apollo daze boons

[edgy nacelle]

I use Mel axe the least, but Aphrodite and Apollo are nice imo
freeze cast for safety
dashing heave daedalus hammer if you can get it

[wise swallow]

and always go for psychic whirlwind hammer with pretty much any axe

[edgy nacelle]

I don't tend to on Mel axe or Charon, since neither aspect rly interacts with omega attack 🤷

Mel axe iirc only buffs attack not attacks, and Charon ngl I almost never press the attack button at all, special oriented hammers are better for that one imo

[wise swallow]

Charon yeah but I always grab it for every other axe

since its free damage + allows for safety when attacking/using omega attack anyway

[azure notch]

I've been spamming Hecuba in most of my runs just for the extra magick but is there an animal familiar that's far and away the best? I pretty much just use Frinos for unrivaled Hecate, I only use Raki if I'm doing a crit build, and I only use Gale if I want to cheese. I never use Toula because she deactivates Strength. Is that how everyone else uses them?

[empty musk]

Mel axe ideal god for pool is Hera, Charon ideal god for pool is Apollo

[opal pecan]

I almost always use Gale tbh, don't care if she's a cheeseball 😆

[wise swallow]

Gale giving me 12 free hits is KINO. Gale is my go-to

[plucky pendant]

@signal coral Thanks for the help I got my first win and it felt pretty decent, still a few things I don't like since the special feels like dashing it throws me off hard but hey I got there in the end

[stable herald]

every build likes crits so Raki is a good pick no matter what

Hecuba is a good headstart for magick hungry builds but her value becomes less important as you get deeper into runs

Gale is great for high-fear where full dodges will save more HP than Frinos's bonus provides

[ornate frost]

Glad to hear! And yeah, the special takes a bit of getting used to for sure

[wise swallow]

lowkey Frinos is the 🐐

[empty musk]

If ppl are running extremely high fear (especially on surface), ppl usually take Gale.

If ppl are worried ab their early run damage, ppl may take Toula. Her deactivating Strength isn't that big of a deal unless you're doing no DDs, but most of the time she'll be outclassed by Frinos in ehp (with the exception of interaction w Primal Psychic Conncection and Renewed Faith)

Raki is mostly used on aspect of Circe due to have the best cast AI, but also taken for speedruns

Frinos is most used for UW bc of Unrivaled Hecate as you said

And yeah Hecuba mainly for magic burn builds, although she's typically the least essential and more so just a nice fallback

[wise swallow]

[viral yew]

Hecuba is an interesting one cause it's really nice in erebus but irrelevant for the rest of the run

[plucky pendant]

I will say I think the only reason I won was due to the hammer that gave the shells back instantly. I was able to machine gun and just kinda win

[wise swallow]

Why is frinos so good against Unrivaled Hecate? Never took him down there with that vow

[empty musk]

Blocks sheepball

[stable herald]

He absorbs sheepball

[viral yew]

Blocks the morph, plus the health is nice for the fight

[wise swallow]

Oh.

Yeah I cant dodge that

[opal pecan]

In normal Hecate you can take your sweet time dodging until the projectile expires

[wise swallow]

Oh I can with normal Hecate. But not unrivaled

[opal pecan]

Yup

Too much is going on!!! 😩

[junior dome]

frinos dies for our sins 😔

[wise swallow]

Tbh I just like the Froag

[opal pecan]

Fair enough, he's adorable.

[wise swallow]

I always use Gale despite not even running high fear Ive never gone past 16 fear

let alone used vows that werent rivals, time and frenzy

[edgy nacelle]

I love Gale <3
tbh I switched to Frinos for high fear UW since I'm just not good enough at dodging the sheep ball to use Gale

[viral yew]

Nah nothing can kill that mf

[edgy nacelle]

Gale gets better the better you play tbh, since if you can save all 3 blocks for the final boss of each region that's huge
but I don't trust myself to do that

[wise swallow]

Honestly, the forced transformation isnt even what usually kills me with Unrivaled hecate anyway

[opal pecan]

Honestly, even if I don't get all three blocks saved for boss (and sometimes lose a block to truly petty nonsense), she still saves my butt enough times that I'm grateful for it lol. Especially in the final zones.

[edgy nacelle]

my most used are prob Hecuba > Gale > Raki = Frinos > Toula...?
but at 50+ fear it's Frinos in first place easy lol (for underworld at least)
idm getting sheeped to Hecate normally, but with max timer grit and pain (and forfeit + debt so my build is weaker in erebus) getting sheep balled can mean losing a DD to timer and I hate it

[viral yew]

If I get sheeped I reset

[wise swallow]

I rarely use Hecuba because I dont currently use builds that eat through my magic

or even when i do: why bother? Hera is here for me.

[edgy nacelle]

I just love torches lol
and hecuba + hera is fun, makes stuff like fine line spam no longer scary (cause born gain does have its limits)

[wise swallow]

Toula gets play usually just for Circe aspect. And ive grown tired of having to proc her so now its Raki

[opal pecan]

What's the Toula/Circe synergy?

[wise swallow]

When she's attacking, shes usually more consistently nearby an enemy than Raki

But you have to WAKE her to do that and its annoying

[opal pecan]

Huh. Interesting, and mildly amusing.

[wise swallow]

and once, Toula never ran towards the tail of Typhon after i woke her and I died to the arena sized blast so

Will always hate toula for this...

[edgy nacelle]

personally I like Gale for Circe lol, ik Raki and Toula are more popular tho
but I like that Gale p much just follows Mel around, makes overlapping casts on bosses easy

[stable herald]

Silver Wheel is another option for a magick headstart, but opportunity cost of keepsakes versus opp cost of familiars...

[wise swallow]

True Malkin, its just that the other two allow you to do the leash at a much greater distance so if youre playing it safe, its easier with them

Man, aspect of nyx is so much fun

I love heatbutting people

Which is better, the aspect of Pan or Artemis?

[thin cloud]

What would I need on a air quality build on aspect of circe?

[wise swallow]

Prioritizing maximizing blitz damage is good + dmg gusts to take advantage of air quality if youre using jeweled pom only

[cerulean panther]

Pan if you have Trick Knives, otherwise maybe Artemis.

[bright viper]

artemis

[edgy nacelle]

static shock and demeter gusts are both great with air quality, and doubling gusts with Circe is nice 🤷
idk if there's anything else specific to Circe though, AQ is just a nice boon, take zeus and stuff with low rapid damage

[alpine eagle]

As I am getting high heat on my Mel Torches I have found the extra magick is really nice. Sometimes without it I will end a zone smacking some beefy mob with her tiny attacks, so the extra 8 or so omega attacks makes a big difference. Helps add more cushion as well if you take magic regen boons that fill you up.

[wise swallow]

Frinos not helping at all with Unrivaled hecate morph

Didnt even mean to take Frinos.

[alpine eagle]

Nothing worse with torches is being oom and an armoires anchor guy spawns at the end of a zone

[edgy nacelle]

hidden buff of using Circe for rivals hecate is that I don't lose track of where the hell frinos jumped to, I can use the leash like an actual leash and go "THERE's the frog" and run behind him lol

[wise swallow]

moment. Didnt not consider this

[edgy nacelle]

also lowkey the ||familiar skins help me keep track of frinos in the fight... harder to see with nightmare, but very easy with cherubic so he's pink and stands out in erebus lol||

[wise swallow]

Didnt know that was a mechanic

How do I unlock them? Max upgrading all of them?

[edgy nacelle]

uhhhh I know you get it via Circe dialogue but frankly have no idea what triggers it
it was added in 1.0 and I already had it unlocked when I talked to her
I assume max upgrading all of them would make sense?

someone else may know for sure tho

[alpine eagle]

Definitely not all of them.

I only have two max upgraded and my bird is almost untouched

[edgy nacelle]

maybe it's something like spending X number of treats, or clearing a run with all 5 🤷

[wise swallow]

I LOVE elusive reward prerequisites

[opal pecan]

Max upgrading one of them maybe? or was that a prophecy

[edgy nacelle]

tbh if we had a wiki that was up to date and didn't suck it would be easier to check, people for sure do know the requirements I just. personally do not

[alpine eagle]

Maybe Max upgrade one of them since you can’t choose to use a alternate skin unless it’s max upgraded

[hallow cobalt]

Okay yeah so lucid gain is actually a MASSIVE need

Even with 210 mana i kept running out

[cerulean panther]

We love our poison arrow toad.

[hallow cobalt]

Made it to the first miniboss on mount olympus

[cerulean panther]

Lucid Gain went from "niche but incredibly powerful in that niche" to top half with the condition change.

[hallow cobalt]

Now i also need more SALT, so i can boost my mana-per-second arcana

[wise swallow]

Tbh yeah its a great boon. If you use The Furies it especially help you of getting into the habit of using cast more often to take advantage of the free damage

[cerulean panther]

And it's still incredible in its niche.

[hallow cobalt]

My charon axe run was nuclear

2.3k per special slam

[alpine eagle]

I really like either Zeus boon with big mana pool, Hera if I am lazy (though you can still run out eventually) or even Demeter. Hestia and ares also not bad as long as you don’t take too many omega boons.

[hallow cobalt]

The ONE good thing apollo did for me

[cerulean panther]

I feel like Apollo/Pos/Hera/Hestia is the play for Charon.

[wise swallow]

My Medea skull run had 4.3k per explosion (SOMETIMES)

[hallow cobalt]

Oh i can take hestia?

[cerulean panther]

Hera Special, Geyser Spout, Incandescant Aura with a billion Magick expenditure increases.

[hallow cobalt]

also how would posideon do good for me? I saw it on mobalytics but its enemy knockback sounds like it would be not great for keeping people in my omega cast?

[cerulean panther]

When you get all nine planets to align with all four Olympians it's going to be a spectacle for the ages.

Geyser Spout, not Tidal Ring.

[hallow cobalt]

[cerulean panther]

Though honestly, Tidal Ring would still be fine for the damage and the fact that Charon Casts get the size increase on the blast.

Also Origination.

[hallow cobalt]

Apollos cast is also great in a pinch

Having half the screen be my omega cast

[cerulean panther]

I think it hits harder than Tidal Ring, I really need to try it given Charon's instant activation.

[plush beacon]

Apologies for lack of communication, heard they were comparable this patch. But also was guessing the builds for strength vs death were skewed differently, so was wondering what good Death layouts looked like

[wise swallow]

ALSO, DEFINITELY try to utilize froth curse in that build since it procs 50 damage (25% chance?) for every hit.

[hallow cobalt]

Telos is a POS tho

So mobile

[cerulean panther]

But I usually want Exceptional Talent and Lucid Gain already gives me the that prereq.

Talos? The Olympus miniboss?

[hallow cobalt]

[wise swallow]

Once you get a hang of his moveset, youll realize in hindsight that Talos is pretty slow..

[cerulean panther]

Talos is easier than the Mega Dracon, yeah.

[hallow cobalt]

Me calling it “telos” like this is runescape

[wise swallow]

lol

[hallow cobalt]

[wise swallow]

Yeah mega dracon has definitely hit me way more often

[hallow cobalt]

But hey i beat eris so i can get my LVL2 charaxe

[wise swallow]

Receive my first death in many nights

[thin cloud]

How so?

[wise swallow]

Poseidon boons

specifically his cast

[sick radish]

does pressure points apply to haphaestus blasts?

im just wondering since it says any damage

[wise swallow]

yes

I assure you...

[glacial tide]

I have a question, not sure if this is the right category: I started playing the game with my friend watching, and I wonder if there's a way I can have that save on slot 2, while making a copy on slot 1. I just dont want to go through the hassle of all the inumerous runs with the ||Eris debuff happening|| again

[wise swallow]

Hephaestus blast can easily be made to go into the several thousands with pressure points

[plucky pendant]

Are you on PC?

[glacial tide]

Yes. I have a backup of the files from the initial save

[junior trail]

imma forward Plasma-dragon's msg here

The only things that can't crit are:
Triad
Zeus Legendary
Reckless Abandon (dio)
Incandescent Aura
Scorch
Freezer Burn

The only things that can't be affected by Ares Double Damage are:
Triad
Zeus legendary
Reckless Abandon (dio)
Scorch

The only things that can't be affected by Air Quality is:
Scorch```
Credit to Hippo on the speedrun 'cord

(Ares Double Damage is Grievous Blow & Mutual Destruction)

For some reason, Incandescent Aura and Freezer Burn can critically hit, but not triple like standard crits.
Normally, crits deal 300% damage, but these two cap out at 200%.

Also Hitch shared damage isn't affected by Air Quality

[sick radish]

thanks!

[plucky pendant]

Should be able to start the second save and then replace the file with the back up obviously rename it to the second save and it should work from there. But my computer is being dumb and I can't find the save data on my end to test for you

[glacial tide]

do I have to change any info on any file? Like, a settings file that shows where to find the save and stuff?

[plucky pendant]

I sent you some pictures with step by step instructions

[hollow stag]

How is Inverted Blaze hammer for Umbral Flames?

[junior trail]

Really good! Besides letting you dash to retrieve your flames, Inverted also makes your flames pierce through enemies, which adds a ton of value

[stable herald]

Inverted Flames is no longer butts on Supay, right?

[junior trail]

yup its fixed

Inverted kinda bricks moros btw

[prisma needle]

i wonder if its possible to do a meme build with morrigan where you just throw out ospecial and run around letting the blades following you hit stuff

sounds really bad

would just be a rush/sprint build

[viral yew]

It is

[sinful marlin]

The morrigan special does surprisingly less damage, useful for proccing status effects and of course blood triad

[stable herald]

Main reason I don't fw Morrigan as much as other knives, the non-hidden specials are my beloved

[tawny python]

what the best build for killing typhoon easy?

[signal mantle]

help making thanatos axe work

I just dont know what to do with it

[tulip heath]

does the omega cast proc off of Charon's aspect trigger the Night arcana?

[quasi gale]

anyone tried a dark side only build

[keen warren]

what are max damage builds

[viral yew]

as in max damage in one hit?

[junior trail]

no, charon's cleave-cast doesnt count with night, same thing with possessed

[proper cloak]

Probably Charon axe + normal things to put on Charon axe

Or circe omega cast build

[junior trail]

Than Axe plays pretty much the same as Mel Axe, think of it as the faster Mel Axe, dash strike > attack > attack > special, you’ll always want to cancel before the final chop since it’s too slow and clunky

When your Mortality Gauge is full, your Ω moves get increased crit chance, so staying untouched is important. Use stuff like Nitro Boost, Snow Queen, or The Lovers to help avoid taking hits (since getting hit removes the buff)

For hammers, Psychic Whirlwind is ideal because you’ll be using regular Attack a lot. Most Attack hammers feel good on Than, even Hell Splitter isn’t as annoying to use here
Switching to Ω Special build if getting Giga Cleaver isn't bad either

As for boons:
% Damage stuff (Hera (Hitch, 1/2 Origination), Apollo (AoE, Exceptional), Aphrodite (Raw damage, Secret Crush)) works well. Demeter (Freeze, Weed Killer) is solid too
Or go all-in on Ω Attack with Zeus Attack, Static Shock, and Arc Flash for a full Blitz/Static pop.

[lime moth]

I guess he means, what builds will make him completely annihilate easily. I suppose for speed runs. Focusing on just damage ig

[tacit rapids]

i was gonna build the coat and what boons are good on it? Just like aphrodite and get origination going as well? I was gonna use aspect of the selene for the free curse and bonus damage the coat is just really weird and i haven't found a good build for it

[junior trail]

if you have exhaust riser, pos attack/arterial spray/stutter step/slippery slope/king tide (if lucky) and go full ballerina mode

[proper cloak]

Coat attack is neutral enough that kinda everyone can be put on it

[junior trail]

There’s a super helpful h2 guide by unexplainedbacn, really informative and easy to follow
It even breaks down how to play and build around each aspect, which is great if you’re still figuring things out
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[lime moth]

How do people even play with the aspect of Supay dawg 💔

[viral yew]

You're building it wrong

[stable herald]

Get a good rush boon and go brr. My personal favorite Supay build is Zeus Special amd Rush, then get Aphrodite in there, pick up Romantic Spark and start zooming. Arc Flash is good here too

[junior trail]

zeus special+glamour = romantic w/ origination 🙂‍↕️

[lime moth]

Aight aight, I will trust you chat. I will try this

[stable herald]

Supay's also my favorite for Heph blast shenanigans, but Heph blasts with minimum cooldown is almost weapon-agnostic

[lime moth]

I use Heph primarily on daggers

[prisma needle]

man how does medea deal with eris lucifer bombs

i guess oattack if you have mana? lol

or a ranged cast boon

[lime moth]

Fine, I admit... I was... wrong

I added in zeus cast too

for more blitz

[signal coral]

just kill her

okay tbh its a little more complicated than that but not by that much

[prisma needle]

actually i should just use the cast invuln arcana to pop them

[signal coral]

just deal damage as best you can and she should die before the fight becomes too bad, she will also blow up the bombs herself when shooting

[prisma needle]

but i got the cast projectile from pom that run unlucky

[signal coral]

can also use ospecial if you have magic

but i would just dps her and end the fight

[prisma needle]

what are the optimal medea boons

is it aphro attack zeus spec

[signal coral]

you can pick almost anything besides a low rarity/pom heph boon and its fine

optimal is zeus special any % attack

can build towards a good duo as well, which is pretty easy because basically all zeus duos are good (except zeus apollo)

[dusty sorrel]

I usually play around Heph blasts, but what are the mathematically best boons for DPS with daggers?

||I beat Typhon three times, technically need to beat him twice more. What are the best for my dagger runs?||

[signal coral]

which aspect?

[dusty sorrel]

Let me check

[keen warren]

yes

[viral yew]

Shiva

[dusty sorrel]

Aspect of Melionë V is my best rn

[dusty sorrel]

^

I haven't been using that one though. Think ive been using Pan

[signal coral]

uh, with pan you can start poseidon special, put down your cast on bosses and channel omega special

it gets a little harder as you scale up difficulty because the aspect struggles a bit with room clear

but at your level it's definitely more than fine

with mel blades there are plenty of ways to build it but I like to start zeus special and then be flexible with the attack boon

luckily zeus has plenty of good duo boons to build towards so you have a lot of good options

also static shock is great on mel blades so starting zeus opens that up as well

[wind lake]

wait did i completely misunderstand time piece

i thought itd allow me to purge any boons i have at will

how do i use it

i cant find any info on it

[signal coral]

instead of picking up a reward, if you walk near it you will see an alternate button to purge the reward for money

[wind lake]

ohhh i just got that

[signal coral]

so if you would acquire a new boon, you can instead purge it for 400 gold

timepiece is a LOT of money

[wind lake]

that wording should probably be changed, using purge makes me think of pool of purging

[signal coral]

at max rank even if all you do is purge minor rewards like bones and ashes its still 800 gold

[wind lake]

yeesh

and it persists between keepsake changes, like the other 2

thats really really good

i was kinda riding on the ability to purge my active boons though, trying to stack heph dash

gotta pray echo doesnt hit my other lvl 6

nvm didnt even offer the pom

thats also the third pom thats missed my dash

this went from a heph build to a cast build

[rugged moon]

Reminder that heph blast boons have a lower limit of 2s

[wind lake]

oh wait they do get limited?

ah ok then im at max then ty

[rugged moon]

Yeah. You cant get it below 2s so it just wont appear on like poms

Some things can overshoot it but still wont go less

[wind lake]

thats good to know for the future

[signal coral]

the heph poseidon duo can lower it below 2 seconds

its a bit of a scam though because the tooltip will say 1 second, but its actually 1.46 seconds

it just rounds down to 1 second in the tooltip :p

[wind lake]

i did just deal a 4k damage with ares+zeus+heph+apollo

im probably fineee surely

gonna equip antler for 12k definitely

oh now ive got evil eye in the mix, since its been on chronos for a while

when does evil eye apply damage, is it right at the end?

[signal coral]

its an additive damage boost

but it is global I believe

[lime moth]

Chat, is there any way to avoid Cerberus in vow of rivals? Like, the fire stuff

anything I haven't seen

[viral yew]

#h2-discussion message

[spiral wadi]

it's just a lot of reaction tbh, compared to other bosses he has pretty slow and very clear windups

[slim sparrow]

uh idk if this is a dumb question but does attack speed also affect omega attack speed for moonstone axe?

[azure notch]

is there anything special I need to do to find Seeker type enemies with the vow of fangs? I've played at least 6 runs with that vow and still haven't seen one

[junior trail]

if its plural (Attacks) then yes

[viral yew]

if the description says attacks (plural) then yes

[viral yew]

try surface

[wind lake]

thats probably one of the most op builds ive ever done

every 2 seconds i was hitting chronos for 4-8k damage

like in ohase three it instantly phase changed him

skipped his teleport everywhere attack

by the way whats the most "general" weapon + aspect

one that synergizes well with most gods.

i.e i could take it in to high fear and take whatever i get offered and not needing a god keepsake

[spiral wadi]

prob circe

[signal coral]

how is circe with suboptimal casts?

[spiral wadi]

99% of high fear meta in 1.0 has been jeweled pom focused so no god keepsake starts

[signal coral]

obv zeus is ideal but what are you backup casts and what are the terrible ones?

[spiral wadi]

the only bad cast is ares tbh

[wind lake]

oh ares cast is bad?

isnt it the same as apollo but always triggers even if they leave the cast

w/0 daze ofc

[spiral wadi]

i like froth cast and scorch cast as the other primary dmg options, aphro and demeter cast are great for room crowd control, daze cast is OK but i prefer to only get it if i'm fishing for blast daze duo

[signal coral]

i feel like medea is pretty boon independent as well

and is obviously strong at high fear

the innate damage bonus on it is so high you can kind of just take random core boons and it still has good enough damage

[junior trail]

sword ring doesnt provide curse so its not an ideal

[wind lake]

fair

[spiral wadi]

heph cast is also pretty solid (tho i'd personally prefer blasts esp due to jp scaling), hera cast is funny but requires u to have strong atk/spec dps

[signal coral]

i want to shill blades as pretty build flexible though the weapon is definitely not as powerful as medea/circe

[spiral wadi]

i think sprint blades r pretty decent rn

[wind lake]

i need to do more blades

[signal coral]

sprint blades?

[wind lake]

its my fav weapon but ive been trying all the new aspects

[spiral wadi]

like tbh it's not that ares cast isn't necessarily unusable, it just requires more investment from duos that makes it not worth it

[spiral wadi]

ares' sprint boon creates falling blades

[signal coral]

oh oops, communication issue

[wind lake]

yeah me and silly meant lim and oros

[signal coral]

i was saying I think the sister blades is a pretty build flexible weapon

[spiral wadi]

ah

i can see it, i'm just used to fishing for trick knives lolol

[signal coral]

trick knives is just too strong (but also fun so its okay)

also zeus is a bit too strong on blades as well but he's also fun so I can give that a pass as well

[calm maple]

Do Marked or Hangover count towards Origination?

[junior trail]

yes

[calm maple]

Or has the word "Olympian" lost all meaning?

And I assume Shine does not?

[spiral wadi]

artemis and dionysus are literally olympians lmao

selene is not an olympian god

[calm maple]

Just feels so arbitrary which curses do and do not contribute.

Gigaros dash, from Zeus's older brother, does not, for some ungodly reason

[junior trail]

because hades is not an olympian god 🤨

[spiral wadi]

cuz hades is a cthonic god, no longer an olympian

[calm maple]

I fail to see any lore reason for that to make a difference.

Why would Chaos care whether a curse came from a mountain-god ffs

[viral yew]

There is every reason

[calm maple]

Do tell

[bleak gale]

Playing Supay with Fates Whim is so miserable wow

[edgy nacelle]

gigaros start feels really good, but yeah it can be rough
fate's whim at high fear can just brick your run soooo early w forfeit and stuff on

[viral yew]

Hades isn't an Olympian, Olympians are the gods that rule from olympus, Hades, and any other gods not on olympus, specifically the underworld, are chthonic

[calm maple]

And that would make a difference to Chaos, because... ?

[viral yew]

That's how they distinguish it

It's just the arcana, not much to do with chaos itself, same deal with judgement

[edgy nacelle]

idt there's a lore reason the arcana card works that way, but the arcana card also isn't in-lore confirmed to be like... channeling the will of chaos
why would Artemis only buff attack and special when her boons buff the Ω versions too? why would chronos slow down time for Mel when she uses his arcana while literally fighting him?

[calm maple]

So it is arbitrary, and has no lore justification

[tall notch]

Guys is there a lore reason why I keep choking runs against Chronos?

[edgy nacelle]

idt chaos has a reason to care about whether damage is olympian or not, but chaos also has at best dubious influence over the arcana card, it's just chaos themed 🤷
and is arbitrary yeah, like... p much every other arcana card

[viral yew]

P3

[edgy nacelle]

lack of filial piety

[tall notch]

Yesterday I timed out in p2

[viral yew]

What fear?

[vital ledge]

Time cannot be stopped. That's why

[junior trail]

arcana cards are meant to capture any past historical moments and mel is empowered from it for some reason?
idk magick yay

[tall notch]

62

[viral yew]

Unfortunate

[tall notch]

I can't believe my dubious quality morrigan build would just time out like that

I also found out that damage from timing out ticks between p2 and p3 when you can't control your character which is just mean

[rain wagon]

You do indeed need a good bit of time for Chronos, 62 is hard, skipping all the reward rooms in Tartarus helps a lot

Also, melee aspects are extra rough against Chronos

[topaz rapids]

Yo is hades 2 good and worth getting I’m still tryna beat hades 1 I started like a week ago

[nova raven]

It's good and worth getting

[stone horizon]

Its really good.

[viral yew]

yes

[open vine]

Does purging Premium Service downgrade your weapon rank mid-run? Anyone know or do I need to find out firsthand?

[open vine]

Very worth getting, yes.

[nova raven]

it doesn't

[open vine]

Rad, thanks!

[open vine]

…okay, I’m up to late to be a good judge of this: I purged Premium Service and I was just reoffered it, next to Chain Reaction.

My only Blast boon is Smithy Rush at 8second recharge
My weapon is Aspect of Supay, currently Rank 6.

Very very tempted to try and find out if a rank 7 is in there

Well heck, let find out!
Couldn’t find anything from a quick online search either way

[viral yew]

What happened?

[open vine]

NOPE no joy. Still rank six.

[viral yew]

Thought not

Probably isn't coded in

[open vine]

This makes me certain it isn’t.

[nova raven]

imagine just purging it and then getting it again for that rank 10 weapon aspect

[open vine]

I wish that dream had not just been crushed. Alas!

[nova raven]

They'd have to calculate how many times it's even possible to purge it and then make a new effect for every subsequent weapon aspect rank

i can imagine how the last possible rank's effect would just be "you win the game idk"

[open vine]

S’pose I’ll just have to content myself with this Daedalus hammer as an alt to progressing the chamber count in route one region four.

Dividing, Inverted, or Mega Blaze for Supay, would you say?

Ice Strike so not Inverted…

[junior trail]

also doesnt work with keepsake if purged cherished no 5 stars keepsake and so on

[open vine]

Went with Mega, I don’t really like how short the range limit on Supay’s attack is, and while Dividing will be great for the final area chambers Mega will help much more for the Guardian.

[violet orchid]

If there was a build in the game that was best described with the phrase “big number go up” what would it be?

[junior trail]

freezer!
wait no its capped at 999 but the godsent one isnt!

[open vine]

Big Chop

[violet orchid]

Wdym? (Sorry some of the terminology goes over my head lol)

[violet orchid]

Is that the ax with the hammer of making the 3 hit into 1?

[junior trail]

Freezer Burn (Hestia x Demeter duo, stacks Scorch then freeze, big number goes boom)

[viral yew]

Worst hammer btw

[open vine]

Yeah, Hell Splitter is the starting point of what I’d call Big Chop.

[open vine]

Maybe for you.

[viral yew]

No it's objectivly bad and slow

[open vine]

If you say so

Anyways, I just forwarded my Big Chop victory screen from September 20th into the victory boasting channel.

Coulda sworn I’d posted it there at the time but ah well.

Thanspect 6, Hell Splitter, Colossus Slash, Flutter Strike, Fixated Strike, Secret Crush…

It was doing 900-ish non-crits. Saw at least one 1.6k crit as well, late in region four.

[violet orchid]

Is there any builds y’all thought wouldn’t work but ended doing really good?

[rare crypt]

I know this is a subjective question, but I'm curious - at what Fear level did you start feeling the Fear difficulty and started to fail runs, when you first started playing the game? Like the lowest Fear you actually failed more than a couple of runs, because you weren't quite ready/adjusted for the increased difficulty?

[rare crypt]

blitz king's ransom :Kappa:

[signal coral]

a few patches ago people were struggling with the massive pan nerfs and also weren't quite aware of how broken trick knives was
then i think there was a chinese player who posted a 50 fear no magick pan clear with trick knives, which cause a pretty sizeable learning moment for the high fear community

[nova raven]

It really depends on which vows you pick, you could realistically struggle at 16 if you picked the worst possible vows

[rare crypt]

fair enough

what makes Trick Knives such a broken upgrade, I don't quite get it?

[signal coral]

well knife dash attack hits once

with trick knives it does 7 hits

its an absurd amount of base damage for such a quick/spammable move

[rare crypt]

math's really failing me here, doesn't it throw just 3 knives?

[signal coral]

yes but the knives return as well

blade special has a boomerang effect

[rare crypt]

fair enough

and with sprint-strike into dash-strike it's a lot, figured as much, just wasn't sure i was missing anything else

but I guess IT IS a lot of strikes

[signal coral]

if you watch high fear trick knives play nowadays its literally just dash strike spam

instantly makes the blades one of the best weapons by itself

[rare crypt]

to be fair that was A LOT of Hades 1, I both miss it and I'm glad Hades 2 isn't literally dash-strike spam on every build

[rare crypt]

that's great but I see trick knives like once every 10 Sister Blades runs or so

[river wadi]

what does Moros Blast damage base on? Attack damage?

[junior trail]

attack and omega attack respectively

when you pop atk, its atk
when you pop o.atk, its o.atk

[river wadi]

so, at rank V, its 60% of attack damage?

[junior trail]

moros's aspect bonus is only for its blast dmg yeah

either atk and o.atk blast pop

(dont confuse with heph blast btw)

[mellow owl]

How do I get godsent Hexes?
1,I picked up a Poseidon boon (Cast) at the start of Ephyra
2, I picked up Moon Water as my last upgrade in Ephyra
3, I found a Path of Stars in Olympus, but it didn’t offer me Poseidon’s godsent effect

[viral yew]

Smth you need to unlock first

[mellow owl]

Oh, that actually makes a lot more sense
Do you know what I need to do for it?

[viral yew]

I do not, the downfall of being an ea player

[mellow owl]

Apparently I need to pick every Hex at least once and I just never did that with Wolf Howl lol

[viral yew]

Interesting

[violet orchid]

Also, just because you have that god doesn’t mean it will show up. Just like duo boons, just because you meet the requirements for it to show up doesn’t mean it will.

[river wadi]

is Flames Omega Special considered "close" for Aphrodite boon?

[viral yew]

Yes

[junior trail]

It’s conveniently juuuusssttt in the “close-up” range

Like a pixel difference

[lunar lotus]

Anubis only works well with Hestia right?

[viral yew]

Works well with pos, hestia, zeus, even apollo apparently

[nova raven]

apollo needs some very specific boons imo

but hestia and zeus are good

[lunar lotus]

Apollo I can see happening , tried Zeus and it's meh. But how is Poseidon supposed to work?

You want to keep enemies inside not push them out

[flint widget]

zeus attack with static shock is literally so broken tho

[lunar lotus]

I tried and it was taking kinda long to pop

At least compared to Hestia

[rare crypt]

doesn't it literally just take 2 ticks of the Omega Attack?

[lunar lotus]

I mean it was nice on bosses but it left small enemies alive longer than I would like

[rare crypt]

The only interaction on Anubis that I don't like is how freezing with Demeter Special does not pull them in. I wish it first pulled them and then froze them.

[flint widget]

im antlering it with 62 fear pan tk on olympus

am i cooked or cooking

[feral marsh]

Really? I think I always had it in my path if it was the right god and right hex

Nevermind I know what you mean, it depends on the rare nodes you get

[flint widget]

OH MY GOD I DID IT

ONE DD LOST

I BEAT RIVALS PROM WITH ANTLER ON

AND I BEAT TYPHON AS WELL

TWO 62s BACK TO BACK WHAT

[steep galleon]

Nice

[ornate bone]

So here's an interesting choice i've got right now

Give up my basic Quick Buck in return for 360g immediately

nearly at the start

[viral yew]

Do it

[ornate bone]

scammed, the 360 was counting the bonus

[keen warren]

is apollo cast for circe worth it

[viral yew]

No

[flint widget]

technically u can make any cast boon work with circe (except ares cast cuz thats ass) but some need winners circle in order for them to feel good

[junior trail]

Solar ring? No
Lucid gain? Yes, it double regens with Circe

[junior dome]

huntress doesn't buff omega damage?

[glass bone]

Yes, Huntress only buffs Attack and Special

[keen warren]

Any good cast and spesh for anubis

[flint widget]

aphro special is pretty damn funny with anubis

[keen warren]

Why

I'll trust anyway

Frick i didn't get a spesh from aphro

Any others

Aphroncast good?

[flint widget]

anubis specials pulls enemies in and aphro specials work best on nearby enemies

spam omega specials and watch mel suck all the enemies

[keen warren]

Wb cast

[flint widget]

what attacks do u like on anubis

[keen warren]

Apollo

[olive bloom]

i like demeter on anubis attack

[viral yew]

Pos/hestia is best

[flint widget]

yeah

poseidon if ur using hestia attack gets u to scalding vapor

hestia cast if ur using zeus attack gets u to thermal dynamics

[keen warren]

Should I get heras special instead of aphro

[flint widget]

i have no idea

it's been a while since ive played anubis

[keen warren]

Is unseen ire good

[uneven palm]

Try it. See if you like it.

[viral yew]

Literally just try things and stop asking here

[keen warren]

I have tried it I haven't seen any difference

[patent locust]

Can someone give me 1 good daggers build and 1 good dark coat build for surface please

I have all weapons and secret one

[viral yew]

Heph special morrigan, apollo attack and special shiva

[patent locust]

And for the morrigan attack ?

[viral yew]

Anything is fine, doesn't matter you get enough damage from triad and heph blast

[patent locust]

Ok ty and how can i proc origination on the shiva build

[viral yew]

Go for curse on sprint and special, although i've found Shiva damage is high enough when played right to get you quite far so plenty of time to get it online

[patent locust]

Ok ok ty 😼

Imma try morrigan first

[uneven palm]

I sometimes skip Origination on Shiva another 50% additive doesn’t move the needle when you’re at like +400% already

[rare brook]

Tried Shiva and I couldn't get it, how to play well with it

Nyx aspect is easier atm for me

[uneven palm]

O special, charge O attack in it, punch the entire room.

[rare brook]

You don't need to punch orb?

[viral yew]

Pretty much

[viral yew]

What?

[rare brook]

I went for apollo legendary, but had too low magic to spam it

[uneven palm]

Get a good gain then haha

[rare brook]

Apollo gain

[viral yew]

You need a good 300-400 with born gain to really pop off

[rare brook]

But maybe zeus or hera better

[rare brook]

Yeah, something like that

[viral yew]

Espc with apollo legendary, fine line, other boons like that

[rare brook]

I mean how rotation exactly works? When the bonus dmg stacks?

[uneven palm]

The O special bounces 3x If you’re in the landing zone when it lands or bounces, you get a buff for your next O attack

So, o special, get in the landing zone, charge O attack as it’s getting buffed, punch the entire room

[viral yew]

You only want to stack 2-3

[uneven palm]

Yeah 6 is impractical and unnecessary

[viral yew]

And also dash as soon as possible to extend hitbox and hit more enemies

[rare brook]

Hmm... Apollo and Ares how crits? 🤔

[viral yew]

You can do a full right turn and hit smth else

[viral yew]

You can get crits with night

[rare brook]

And time to employ doggie for bonus magick

[viral yew]

I charge up in the prometheus memory gsme

[uneven palm]

That’s smart

[viral yew]

I sometimes take it, depends on the fear

[uneven palm]

I also like blocking Chronos gold orbs with Counter Supreme

[rare brook]

Haven't got it yet

[viral yew]

What aspect specific hammers do you like the most

[uneven palm]

Elephant Rockets and Counter Supreme I think

[viral yew]

100% agree

Although the +100 omega attack power is nice too

[uneven palm]

That’s good but not specific to Shiva

[viral yew]

Damn it's not is it oops

[uneven palm]

I’ll take that on Selene sometimes. Too bad Shiva kinda took over as the Giga punch aspect

[viral yew]

I can never get behind selene it's not much fun

[digital juniper]

i can’t play any coat other than Nyx, for the others i just can’t make good use of the coat’s basekit

[versed marlin]

Is romantic spark with Zeus flourish and aphro dash on Supay good?

[steep galleon]

Nice to see boated did my favorite build for than axe

[viral yew]

Yes

[viral yew]

Nyx coat is best of base 3, and better for high fear than shiva

[versed marlin]

Should I start with Aphro or Zeus?

[viral yew]

Zeus

[digital juniper]

oh yeah but even in general i meant, i don’t vibe w the basekit for me to play the others

but yeah shiva’s magick requirement makes it extremely hard to work with at high fear

[viral yew]

It's what 75 every 3-4 seconds at base

Really nuts with hubris

[digital juniper]

yeah even with persistence and hecuba it’s not easy to upkeep it

[bronze flax]

Even if I know it needs some help, I am liking Aspect of Pan

The core functionality is funny

[bronze flax]

I am... Not that good with Nyx because I tend to be so close range I forget I have to dodge attacks and such

Skill issue, I know

[sinful marlin]

"Upon this night shall my pride of gods fall short, that Fear may spread."

[tall notch]

#h2-victory-boasting message Yeah Nyx is amazing, best coat for sure and one of the best aspects for fear pushing overall

[sinful marlin]

High fear players when they see an aspect that doesn't rely on oattacks :

[tall notch]

now to be fair Nyx is an omega-heavy aspect, it just has its own unique omega

[sinful marlin]

Oh true

[digital juniper]

and the fact that it’s 1 omega every 5(?) seconds makes it very reasonable to use

[digital juniper]

smh fang instead of antler, weak

[bronze flax]

30 Magick is manageable and if you get Cardio Gain you're all set

[tall notch]

this was a chill run ok

[digital juniper]

real gamers chill with antler on, you’re just not a real gamer i’m afraid

[bronze flax]

Has someone managed to beat 62 Fear Shiva by the usual gameplay style without having Magick issues?

[tall notch]

I just don't have speedrunner brainrot

[digital juniper]

there are not many 62f runners yet, and most of them from what i saw are not willing to endure that pain

but realistically we have some insanely cracked players in the community that i don’t doubt it that if they wanted to, they can definitely get the clear

[bronze flax]

I guess if you go with Hecuba +prioritizing Soul Tonics and a good Magick Regen, it is doable

[wise swallow]

How good is Dionysus's Reckless Abandon?

[uneven palm]

Almost certainly bad unless you’ve got Hel skull or Air Quality

[wise swallow]

Good thing I didnt take it. Just beat Unrivaled Typhon

God bless Heroic Arcana of Strength

[patent locust]

Shiva is so bad 🫩🫩🫩

[uneven palm]

Just punch stuff it punches good

[bleak gale]

Isn't Runic Driver hammer bad? You want the Omega Special to stay on flight so you can keep the fast Attack

[uneven palm]

It doesn’t change the duration of the Valkyrie buff

[shy obsidian]

Weird question, when playing Circe, do you tend to ignore/time piece hammers?

[uneven palm]

Lotta good staff hammers. I wouldn’t.

But if you’d rather have 500 gold go to town

[shy obsidian]

I just feel that it makes some amount of sense to de-prioritize them when going for a cast build

[uneven palm]

You can do stuff during casts. That’s like half the appeal

And only so many cast-enhancing boons. Might as well put something on attack/special and use it

[shy obsidian]

Fair enough.

[steep galleon]

You can certainly try to lean on the casts but really Circe to me is just a flat damage soup weapon

[digital juniper]

melting swipe on circe is big stonks

good ol’ mirror thrasher and dual moonshot is great too

[lime moth]

This is me realizing I heavily messed up my build during high fear by accidentally picking Hermes' horrible boon that makes your cast expire faster

[hallow cobalt]

like fr why is that a boon for most builds

[lime moth]

Why is that even a boon, it's horrible. Especially when you have a good cast, like, NO. I WANT IT TO LAST LONG SO IT CAN ACTUALLY DO A LOT OF DAMAGE DAWG

[hallow cobalt]

[hidden marlin]

carried a run I had with the Apollo Gain since my Omega moves were spending a ton of mana, but you are right I'm usually not picking that boon

[fierce sparrow]

how can you get geyser spout, I can't get the boon even tho I have 2 pois core boon guys?

[rain wagon]

You need any core cast boon.

Could be Apollo cast, doesn't need to be Poseidon.

[fierce sparrow]

oh ty I already have cast core but this is like the 3rd time I tried and no geyser spout

[rain wagon]

Rng baby

[digital juniper]

it’s just luck really, since you already have met the prereqs

[fierce sparrow]

so does getting more pois core boon give me a better chance of getting it?

[rain wagon]

Getting any poseidon boon can increase your chance of getting it, as it'd remove an option from the pool.

[eager wharf]

hey is there a usual modifier set yall are running to beat 32 fear?

[rain wagon]

Core boons do tend to show up more often, so filling out those (could be with other gods' as well) helps.

[rain wagon]

Not really, though there are some Vows you should avoid until you start pushing 50+:
Vow of Void
Vow of Pain
Vow of Frenzy (unless you want to get used to it early on, preparation for pushing higher fear)
Vow of Rivals 4

[eager wharf]

oh wow no rival 4?

that kinda feels cheap to do haha

[rain wagon]

Yeah, many like to have it on just for the fun, but it's a significantly harder fight than most others.

[eager wharf]

it is rly tough yea but i almost feel like i have to do it since i also did it for the hades 1 dad fight

[rain wagon]

Otherwise, it depends on preference, playstyle, aspect.

[eager wharf]

not sure if i should be running 5 or 7min timer

[rain wagon]

5 min one can be hard when you first try it, but it becomes pretty easy fear once you get used to it (unless you start pushing very high fear, as some of them will delay fights).

If you do go full Vow of Time, make sure to prioritise the time-pause rooms (shops, etc).

And naturally, don't idle looking at boons etc while time is running.

[eager wharf]

i think ill try medea skull first since it has pretty solid clear time

[lime moth]

The timer is super easy in the surface, but in the underworld it is so much harder, ESPECIALLY in the fields of mourning

[rain wagon]

Medea is definitely fast, but it's not the safest aspect out there.

[eager wharf]

athena's time to shine

or fig ig

alr lets go first try wish me luck lol

[digital juniper]

actually fields isn’t that bad as long as you have a decent grasp on the layout of the rooms

in high fear UW, timer is the worst in erebus

cerb is a bullet sponge but he only has 1 “invulnerability” phase

[eager lion]

Should I take back burner or self healing?

I'm doing a hel zeus build right now

I only have 2 fire and I'm on the last room of the underworld before the shop

So it's a little bit of a gamble if I do choose it

[eager wharf]

tried to go way too fast and got cooked by hecate already lmao

is strength better than death for higher fear?

[flint widget]

nah

death has more survivability overall than strength

plus if u have max scars on

death is significantly more better than strength in every way possible

[junior dome]

does double strike affect chain lightning?

[manic shuttle]

no

[ornate frost]

Depends on your skill level tbh; Death offers more survivability but if you’re good enough to mostly not die Strength offers more damage

If it’s your first time pushing to certain Fear thresholds though, Death is the safer option certainly

Also depends on what “high fear” is to you. I did Strength for my 32 Fear run, but if I were pushing 50 and had max Vow of Scars for instance I’d probably favor Death

[tall notch]

back burner is good

[bright viper]

strength is epic

[balmy sail]

65k HP for typhon.....really

is there any way to get smth so i can see his hp bar

[ornate frost]

To me it’s sort of a bell-curve:

• Death is better for new players still learning because it’s safer
• Strength becomes better as you get better at the game and can generally avoid dying in a run
• Death becomes good again at really high Fear both because many players often need the added safety back and also because Vow of Scars hurts Strength more than Death

(Also these are pretty general statements but obv ymmv)

[ornate frost]

Not that I’ve found but maybe there’s a lategame incantation I haven’t found

He does have pretty distinct phase changes at specific HP thresholds though so you can sorta approximate with that

[uneven palm]

Yeah roughly 20% for eggs, 40% for Zeus, 60% for eggs 2

Last phase is stacked

[wind lake]

he also get progressively more bloodied, so you can memorise those stages by looking at specific cuts

the last phase lasts deceptively long though, so its not the most surefire way

[ornate frost]

Last phase is around 40% of his HP total I think, so yeah the phases are not distributed evenly

[kindred sonnet]

any idea what the breakdown is on the rivals version

[rare brook]

Now 9 most annoying achievements left to do

Including finish run with every aspect, chaos run and trials

[ornate frost]

I don’t have it memorized but I believe it’s on the wiki last I checked

But iirc the Rivals phase has a bit less HP than the other phases, blissfully

[spiral wadi]

iirc rivals typhon has exact same hp as normal typhon

and superweak typhon has very low hp

[steep galleon]

3 losses back to back that's enough Hades 2 for today

[rare brook]

I would say that without rivals Typhon is harder than simillar Chronos, but with rivals Chronos is harder than simillar Typhon

[rare brook]

Today I was wooped buy rivals sirens

[steep galleon]

Chronos for me

I despise Chronos p3

[wind lake]

is shameless attitude additive with other bonuses

[digital juniper]

welcome to the club

[wind lake]

ive been kinda insta picking most damage boons but now that im working up through fear i wanna actually learn how the damage boons work

is that 20%~ from shameless added on to your bonuses or multiplied afterwards

[digital juniper]

yeah shattitude is additive with the other bonuses

[stable herald]

All % bonuses are additive afaik

[hallow cobalt]

P......THREEEEE?!?!?!

[wind lake]

ah so shameless is pretty bad if you already have a % boon

[shy moat]

this shouldn't be a surprise if you played Hades 1 >.>

[wind lake]

and are relying on it to deal damage

[steep galleon]

Oh boy you have no idea what you're in for

[wind lake]

ik it applies to all damage

[shy moat]

yeah all those low +% things are quite bad unless you've got something to boost that has little else working on it

[wind lake]

i just assumed since they were so low they applied multiplicatively last in the damage calc

[lime moth]

Yep, vow of rivals Chronos, hardest fight in the game for sure

[hallow cobalt]

i never got true epilogue on hades 1 either

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AGONY

[wind lake]

for me vow typhon is way harder, for certain builds atleast

[ornate frost]

Tbf you can get epilogue without doing rivals; the two are mutually exclusive

[wind lake]

it took me two tries to get my first win on typhon vow but i first tried chronos vow

[shy moat]

don't need true epilogue, just rivals 4 😛

[steep galleon]

Rivals Chronos just makes half the aspects unviable

[wind lake]

yeah fair

[shy moat]

other way around for me

[wind lake]

rush builds absolutely shred chronos

[split igloo]

not true imo but depends on fear ig

[wind lake]

last night i had a build that relied on dashing near chronos to deal thousands of damage then i gtfo and wait for my cooldowns

on supay

[lime moth]

Me neither, I finished the main story and stopped playing it. Now in Hades 2, I am doing extra, literally trying to get all achievements (42/50 rn). So after I am done, I am going back to Hades 1 and doing it properly. Lowkey, Hades 1 is so much easier combat/gameplay wise 💔

Hitch is genuinely so op, chat. Hera, S tier god

[steep galleon]

Good luck on phase 3 frenzy 2 with immobile/cast/channel dependent weapons

[wind lake]

im beggining to like rush and cast builds alot since i can just mind numbingly click the enemy every 5 or so seconds for huge damage and spend the rest of the time dodging

[split igloo]

yea frenzy 2 tight for sure

i still only play on 1 xd

[digital juniper]

you can’t put cast weapons there when circe is the safest aspect to clear high fear lmao

[split igloo]

but on 1 i think anything can clear

[steep galleon]

Circe yeah, but I had in mind something like Charon

[digital juniper]

also all aspects can most certainly clear at least 62 fear, possibly 65

[steep galleon]

I had a horrible experience with Charon yesterday, perfect run and then I get destroyed in p3

[digital juniper]

charon also works at 62

[wind lake]

this

[split igloo]

in p3 you have so much space to run around tho

[wind lake]

my circe cast build with hermes heroic and like 4 different cast buff boons shredded chronos

was very fun

[steep galleon]

Some much easier than others that's for sure

[wind lake]

ngl when i first got to chronos p3 and saw the arena i thought i had to dash between the platforms to dodge him, i got really scared

anyone else have that experience XD

[split igloo]

yea same actually

and then realize its free real estate

[wind lake]

yep

[steep galleon]

Just a little more for the highest rank and then I can finally just settle for playing just blades, staff and skulls, and maybe than axe

[digital juniper]

well yeah that’s a given

i meant to highlight that all aspects can clear high fear

[steep galleon]

I'm sure it's possible with enough effort and careful play, but some weapons have a massive disadvantage in p3 Chronos

[split igloo]

personally i think its more broader issue with high fear stuff

tho i dont even play that high i pref to have fun xd

[spiral wadi]

high fear is unironically super fun rn, it's hard but it's fun

[split igloo]

but from what i observe meta gets too tight higher up and it seems there is like less and less viable ways to play

[spiral wadi]

current high fear meta is to not have rerolls

cuz jeweled pom giga boosts so many boons to being usable lmao

i find there's actually way more viable build paths for a lot of aspects rn

i managed to get a mel axe 62 run with ding dong blast strat

circe was already super flexible in early access, and is now even more busted that i think circe is a super solid aspect to build up high fear skills

[digital juniper]

i think i might switch to raki with circe from Toula

the extra DD from her is great but having to micromanage her while i’m still learning by pushing fear is not fun

[spiral wadi]

i've gotten used to gameplay loop with toula circe and it's actually really fun, but yea i still prefer raki cuz it's a lot less brainpower for more upfront strength

also cuz toula gets bricked if she's too far away from enemies, especially in the scylla fight

like if u try to wake her up but she's standing away from any charybdis tentacles etc then she'll stand still then go back to sleep

[tall notch]

raki circe is also a good excuse to use circe as in high fear another companion tends to be better for weapons

[digital juniper]

i once went to wake her up only to get clam dashed by scylla

[spiral wadi]

i still like raki in a variety of weapons lol, but yea circe's unique in that u want to have raki or toula

[spiral wadi]

i've gotten used to anticipating clam dashes now, tho it still messes me up and i hate it

[tall notch]

I feel like I want either Gale for Defence, Hecuba because I need the magick, or Toula since she strikes a nice balance of being an offensive and defensive companion

[steep galleon]

Raki is my regular

[spiral wadi]

frinos for hecate curse skip

[digital juniper]

i still prefer toula as defensive because i lose gale charges to wailers instead

[steep galleon]

I just cycle between Raki and Hecuba for now

[spiral wadi]

i hate hecuba for high fear specifically cuz hecuba has no defensive capability

[digital juniper]

wdym? he can stun enemies…or something idk i never noticed it

[tall notch]

you can also use Toula dd to skip the curse by getting hit and dying

[spiral wadi]

esp when magick weapons are already so unbelievably more difficult and aren't even better than magickless aspects

[steep galleon]

For mana hungry weapons you basically have to run her because you don't know when you'll get a good gain with pom meta]

[split igloo]

hecuba i like because can offset bad luck with gain boon and can get away with no boon

[spiral wadi]

tru

[fiery crag]

hi guys do any of you know if dionysus' keepsake affects fates' whim?

[wind lake]

if you sell spiritual affirmation do you lose the health it gave you or nah

[steep galleon]

no

[spiral wadi]

yea u lose the hp bonus when u enter the next room

[fiery crag]

alright thank you!

[wind lake]

gotcha ty

[rare brook]

For Circe aspect from my experience doggie or birdy are the best ones

[steep galleon]

fates whim is only affected by gods you can summon that give you boons

dio's keepsake does something completely different

[spiral wadi]

fig leaf 2.0: dionysus personally shows up in the room u skip in

triple dio boon meta

[wind lake]

this is interesting

medea aspect-

i have flutter strike for 170% attack and 95% damage bonus on specials.

im getting offered a hammer for mega driver vs volatile array. i already have the +30 power special hammer

since volatile array will always deal attack when medea hits constantly, i wonder which would be the better option here

[digital juniper]

is mega driver the one that makes your specials make you go further?

[wind lake]

mega driver is +50% special damage and further yeah

volatile array is deals 50% attack whenever shells land

which is every hit basically of medea

mega driver is the safer option but idk how volatile array works

is it 50% base or 50% of total attack including bonus from boons

[digital juniper]

i stay away from that one like the plague

the specials shooting you further just messes up with the whole flow of medea

[wind lake]

i see

[digital juniper]

volatile is a pretty decent damage boost, but i’m not sure if it’s 50% of your total damage or 50% of your base power, i’d assume it’s the former

[formal pulsar]

Shiva feels like the heartthrob aspect. Sunny dispo with shiva really deals a bazillion damage and you already want Apollo attack and gain with shiva and you fight close range so you can constantly trigger them
i was shocked heartthrob dealt more than scorch or blitz. tho i didnt get thermal dyn till oylmpus but still sunny dispo shiva rocks

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