h2-builds-and-combat

[proven edge]

Apollo legendary work with it?

[flint widget]

only fires one daybreaker and it fires twice instead of once

[proven edge]

sorry I got lost

so there will be 2 daybreakers in the field?

[flint widget]

nope

[proven edge]

damn that sucks

oh itll fire twice tho right

so is that strong or is it not worth

[sour cape]

No

[proven edge]

i mean the daybreaker itself will have 2 bangs

[flint widget]

id say the ideal eos build is any % attack boon and zeus/hera/hestia on the specials

[proven edge]

so do I just start with zeus keepsake and pick up the special?

[flint widget]

also have night arcana on cuz eos cycles through omega attacks and specials a lot

[proven edge]

yep

[flint widget]

i think so yeah

[proven edge]

what do I take off for night

I assume huntress is pretty good here

[flint widget]

are u keeping rerolls on or are u doing fates whim

[proven edge]

keeping rerolls on im doing will of night so dont wanna rely on luck

[flint widget]

fates whim is so cracked tho

[proven edge]

but what if I dont get a single god I want 🥀

[sour cape]

Lotsa gods good when they really boosted

[flint widget]

what they said

[proven edge]

fair ill give it a shot

start with pom and then card?

or card then pom?

[flint widget]

its just pom 100%

[proven edge]

o ok

[flint widget]

early game is cracked with j pom

[proven edge]

do I enable excellence

[sour cape]

EoS though mostly just wants Zeus special I think

The attack can be any %

[flint widget]

excellence is ass tho so no

for a 5 cost card its just not worth it

[sour cape]

Which ones excellence?

[proven edge]

legendary or at least rare

never used it so idk how it works

[flint widget]

arcana card that has 50% chance to give u boons that are at least rare

i think

[proven edge]

50% chance to include legendary or at least rare

so I assume its pretty good if ure hunting for a specific legendary

[sour cape]

Oh yea that ones pretty bad for 5 cost

[flint widget]

id rather take boatman or hell even unseen over excellence with eos

[sour cape]

Unseen is pretty dang bad too

[proven edge]

what arcana set up do I use for this ten

[flint widget]

all eos needs is daybreaker then spam specials

thats 15 magick

[sour cape]

Night is pretty good for eos

[proven edge]

yeah I have night on

[flint widget]

i think unseen would be decent with eos

but only if u use magick sparingly

[proven edge]

Ill just get a good magik gain boon

[flint widget]

like firing a daybreaker and spamming specials

[sour cape]

Unseen doesnt seem worth saving 1 boon for 5 arcana

[flint widget]

for high fear it is tho since forfeit and hubris exist, for low/mid fear, yeah just get a magick regen

[proven edge]

well am doing ti for the 8 fear contract anyway so

im tryna finish using all weapons while doing the contracts at the same time

ill prolly use moros when I need to do 20

[sour cape]

The onion is extremely bad 😂

[flint widget]

onion is overhated tbh

[sour cape]

But for high fear id just do no mana builds so the magic reservation is free

[flint widget]

like unless ur aspect has an ass start without boons its basically free

notable examples include supay

[junior dome]

is vow of shadow practically free?

[flint widget]

yes

except for a couple of wardens tho

[austere trail]

the minibosses on the summit are a bit harder

[junior dome]

took it instead of wards 2, so far not punished

[flint widget]

notably, spawn of typhon, yargonaut, and the mega dracon

[sour cape]

Losing a boon every zone is not really free at all 😭

[flint widget]

true tho

[nova nimbus]

vow of shadows boar is evil

[flint widget]

with no boons u have a lengthier early game

[proven edge]

fangs feels free

[nova nimbus]

fangs is free

sometimes you get a really bs unavoidable damage shadowspiller combo

[proven edge]

so far my pom keepsake run I got 3 total boons

[nova nimbus]

but other than that

[proven edge]

Demeter, Hestia and Hephestus

wher is zeus

[sour cape]

Fangs is not as bad as the stat buffs

[flint widget]

except if u get both faster and invincible perks on a single enemy

[nova nimbus]

that one is annoying but manageable bc i think casts still slow invuln enemies

i dislike drakons with shadow and faster

[flint widget]

i remember doing a 58 fear circe surface run, there was this one automaton that had both those perks and it made me lose a dd

so annoying

[split igloo]

Best builds for each weapon? -w-

[sour cape]

Return is my least fav 💀

[nova nimbus]

average automaton experience

[flint widget]

still won tho so skill issue for the automaton

[nova nimbus]

return is just annoying but thats real

makes rooms take longer but its free

[sour cape]

Return + Hordes + Wards + Grit lol

[split igloo]

I'm personally a staff fan though so far

[nova nimbus]

i fear this is the consequences of your actions

[flint widget]

these four vows make erebus such a pain to deal with on high fear lmao

[sour cape]

And makes vow of time really bad

[nova nimbus]

i think the unironic best strat for fear climbing is doing frenzy 2 rivals 4 first

once you get used to that, all the other vows are just planning/playing slower

[sour cape]

I think Rivals is really difficult... although its also worth a lotta fear

[nova nimbus]

oh thats interesting, its the reverse for me

i think the rivals fights are learnable but frenzy kills me every time

[sour cape]

I played a lot more with Frenzy though since EA

[nova nimbus]

i played ea but avoided frenzy like the plague 😔

[sour cape]

Well Typhon still gets me with Frenzy

[nova nimbus]

i think i was learning frenzy before 1.0 dropped and then i turned it off so i could play the story

i hate p3 chronos on frenzy more than typhon but typhon p3 with frenzy has some unavoidable combos

[nova nimbus]

specifically i just despise his boomerang throw attack where has 3 of them

[sour cape]

Yea the faster speed is rough for the scythe throw

[nova nimbus]

i know how to dodge it conceptually but i dont wannaaaaa

[flint widget]

whenever i see that attack i just run away from him

always works

[nova nimbus]

but it has such a huge range too </3

its just so odd to dodge bc the blindspots are really specific

you need to be ready to follow the arc of the throw or get to a very small spot bhind him

[flint widget]

ngl this might be a hot take but i find rivals chronos p2 to be harder than p3

first half is free

but the second half he whips out the healing hourglasses

those things are a pain to kill whilst having to dodge chronos himself and those clock hands at the arena

p3 at least has a big arena to dodge chronos

[steep galleon]

P2 is a clusterf**k after 50%hp yeah

[nova nimbus]

p2 is annoying but he has less hp and stays still so i like it more than p3

[steep galleon]

You got the hourglasses, the stupid orbs, clock hands etc

Mfw I play phase 1 and 2 clean and choke in p3

[sour cape]

I guess for 32 would prob do

Frenzy, Hubris, Denial, Shadow, Fangs, Menace, Scars 2, Time 2, Rivals 3

Idk maybe ward + pain + Debt instead of rivals but kinda sucks

[steep galleon]

Definitely no pain

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383166531730673777/1425833039392542790/image.png?ex=68ef9d7f&is=68ee4bff&hm=4c7379442deab7f08aac96a35214643724de37e139067e646fa1f21681d3cbcf&

[sour cape]

Id prob do both Fangs, you can get lucky and its nbd

3 is a lot

That way can drop Return and Debt

Or Return and a rank of Time

[digital juniper]

if you’re used to frenzy that’s a great setup

i’d do time 3 (if your usual clears are fast enough) and drop scars and debt, or fangs 2 to drop those

[steep galleon]

Yeah frenzy is the first one I ever clicked, I have no issues with it

Timer 3 I could do like 95% of the time probably, but I left it at 2 for safety I suppose, debt I learned to live with and consider to be one of the least impactful ones overall (in comparison to most of the rest), scars 1 I don't even feel honestly

Overall had great success with this setup both routes on most aspects, currently practicing rivals 4 before I start running 40+

[digital juniper]

well then you’re definitely good to go with that setup, you’ve got mostly build restricting vows on instead of gameplay changing ones, so if you haven’t noticed scars 1 you should be good to go even at 32

the great thing is that you’ve got a good path for running 40, rivals 4, fangs 2 and timer 3 and that’s already there

and depending on your weapon of choice wards might also be on the easy end

[steep galleon]

Yeah pretty much, I think I should start running onion soon so I can learn to build around it

[digital juniper]

onion is a bit brutal for the UW, but if your plan is to push very high fear, might aswell learn it sooner rather than later

[steep galleon]

Yeah I can imagine, thankfully a fates' whim arcana setup leaves a good spot for artificer at least

But yeah getting used to it sooner is my goal

Currently running excellence but I imagine I'll have to go back to boatman when I start enabling onion in order to hit the 1st midshop

[digital juniper]

yeah boatman is usually the choice even at fate’s whim for the UW, that extra boon in erebus is big

[sage flame]

unless ur boated who I guess favors excellence

[bronze flax]

So, I tried Vow of Denial. I have to admit, it creates an interesting layer of decision making

[digital juniper]

yeah it really makes you think when making your build, i like it

[proven edge]

oh my god medea is insane on typhon 😭

wish I tried this sooner

[hollow stag]

You have 3,200 Bones before Night 5. What would you do with it? I'm 5 Psyche away from 20 Grasp.

[digital juniper]

i’d use up all my bones on psyche until i’m at max grasp

ashes as necessary to unlock cards, but if i’m not mistaken the bones/ash is a worse trade off than bones/psyche

[proven edge]

I saved up my bones for ambrosia

so I can have an easier time maxing bonds

[sterile portal]

What’s the best weapon for a heph legendary run?

[bronze flax]

oh my god medea is insane on typhon

But yeah, on Typhon specifically, it feels funny, the equivalent of bashing your head against a wall lol

[digital juniper]

probably morrigan

[bronze flax]

Nergal seems interesting, requiring only 4 hits to go Berserk can make it so safe to use

[rain wagon]

Nah, Morrigan is decent at best with Heph legendary.
Nergal, however, is crazy with that boon.

Momus is probably the 2nd best

[digital juniper]

eh it’s one of 2 ways to increase triad damage, so it’s a pretty good buff

[rain wagon]

Well, directly increase the number, sure, but there's mutliple ways of increasing how often you proc Triad

[signal coral]

When all heph legendary is doing is undoing your nerf 😢

[rain wagon]

Doesn't it lower it from 2 -> 1 second, pre-nerf was 1.5 iirc

[cerulean panther]

That half second feels so big.

Level 6 used to be 0.5 seconds.

[wraith goblet]

So is madea aspect considered the best for speed running and max fear attempts?

Seems like nothing else can really compare to it

[steep galleon]

The staff is probably the better option for max fear, notably mel and circe

[bronze flax]

Not sure if for Max Fear because Medea is strong but risky with how close and personal it gets

But for speedrun, it seems pretty good, yes

[steep galleon]

Just safe and very powerful aspects

[shy moat]

the staff is ridiculously powerful for how safe it is

[rare crypt]

What's a powerful (on the better side of builds at least) build for Artemis daggers? I've been using Aphro, but it's just decent so far

also, is there some tech that allows you the charge the Omega Attack without wasting a hit of the buff every time? (cause Mel swings first with every time you charge the Omega Attack)

[rain wagon]

#1 thing to look for is the Sweeping Ambush hammer (+400% Ω Attack damage).

[tall notch]

Idk if you'll count it as tech but if you start charging the oatk at point blank range you won't waste the charge

Unfortunately Artemis daggers are kinda bad and that's one of the reasons why

[rain wagon]

But everything that buffs your Ω Attack is good, Fine Line, Ocean Swell, Weed Killer, etc.

Just make sure you get a good magicka gain to support it.

[rare crypt]

how so? doesn't it still hit with the swing?

[tall notch]

Yeah but at least the swing will get crit chance

So you won't straight up waste it

[rare crypt]

oh yeah, ofc, but it's like a 20dmg swing (before all the dmg buffs)

[tulip pier]

is there an easy way to force lance of ares? my initial idea was start with selene and keep restarting till i get the skyfall and in region 2 equip ares - will this work or should i start with ares and then get selene

[rare crypt]

it's really weird how they've designed the artemis daggers, ngl

great idea, terrible execution (at least that's what it feels like to me)

[wraith goblet]

Yeah Mel staff is nuts with double special and Aphrodite boons

[steep galleon]

I like artemis but I feel like getting a parry should grant you a limited time with increased crit rate instead of the set number of hits we have now

[rare crypt]

exactly

[wraith goblet]

Especially since it's a high attack speed weapon... Just seems to fit better

[rare crypt]

Imma try an Ares build with it, it's basically an aphro dmg buff for the first attack on an enemy, and maybe I get lucky with Ares' double damage boons

does Plasma affect how fast you charge omega moves?

[wraith goblet]

Has anyone here got a good area permanent stacking run

Seems like fun but I haven't been lucky enough

[rare crypt]

I also wish the artemis daggers just gave you 50% crit chance for limited time, so things like Arc Flash King's Ransom would crit like crazy

[glossy rivet]

Does arc flash immediately pop blitz if an omega attack applied it or do i need to hit with another omega attack

[glass bone]

I think it’s the latter

[rare crypt]

from what i've seen it's actually immediate, as long as the omega attack is the one applying blitz

[glossy rivet]

Hmmm
wonder if arc flash axe spin could work

[rare crypt]

only on the very first spin

i've already tested it, sadly it doesn't work on any follow-up spins, even if u haven't hit the mob with it before

[glossy rivet]

dang

[rare crypt]

I get that some of these would be absurdly strong, but it's a singleplayer game, i don't quite agree with some of the limitations that the devs have put in the game

[shy moat]

single player games still need challenge or they get very boring very fast, but there are some odd limits put in

[rare crypt]

my point is if u really wanna abuse that one build (if it worked the way I wish it did) then that's up to you to "ruin" the challenge for yourself, is it not?

[shy moat]

no, because it's really less fun for a lot of people, especially in games where you get to build things up the way you want, to have to restrict themselves from using options because it makes the game trivially easy

[hybrid tulip]

Is the Zeus package just omega broken or do other gods have op builds as well? I feel everytime I hit chain lightning I just win the run

[shy moat]

little of column A, little of column B

[rare crypt]

trivially easy is a bit subjective, considering you can crank the hell out of this game's difficulty

[rare crypt]

wait until you run king's ransom arc flash torches

[hallow cobalt]

I really need a deadalus hammer before i go fight eris

[stray notch]

How do i unlock chaos Chant?

[lean crypt]

wait why is noone talking about anubis with hestia attack

this is nuts

[shy moat]

anubis is considered one of the strongest weapons for a reason

But that's not gonna do a lot to bosses...

[slim sparrow]

pretty sure ppl do talk abt it

at least I remember it was considered one of the best weapons in late beta

[proven edge]

im on my final weapon, aspect of mel skull
how do I build it

[zealous crane]

Im looking for gods or boons that work well with aspect of momus for staff, any ideas?

[flint widget]

if u get hammers take mirrored thrasher or dual moonshot if u see them

if u see both of em at the same time go for mirrored thrasher

hera attack and magick regen and apollo specials shall be enough i think

and then just place down your omegas and then let em do the work

[peak urchin]

how good is freezer burn

[flint widget]

one of the funniest builds u can do is go for wide grin possessed array

[lean crypt]

hecate got melted pretty nicely

[flint widget]

apollo attack is also funny as well for this

[proven edge]

would bolstered array wide grin be better

[proven edge]

would gfetting his legendary be fun with wide grin

[flint widget]

yes

[proven edge]

seems broken

[flint widget]

100%

[zealous crane]

why mirrored thrasher?

[flint widget]

theres a 62 fear mel skull surface run back in ea didnt have wide grin but it had possessed array and apollo legendary and its so funny: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Yoegz9EF1

[flint widget]

it doubles ur amount of omega attack pulses

while shortening the cooldown as well

[flint widget]

wait correction: he did have wide grin

[peak urchin]

is it possible to get multiple secondary cast boons (Like apollos increaase one and the gale winds one from demeter)?

[flint widget]

i mean yeah

also does howling soul work with typhon

[peak urchin]

thanks i must just be getting unlucky then

[spiral wadi]

yea howling soul should work on typhon

[rare crypt]

Is there a video or something about how Scorch works exactly? I think I get it, but I'm not entirely sure. Also I've no idea what the Aphro Duo (Burning Desire) does for it exactly

[shy moat]

Scorch stacks damage in a curse pool, then drains it onto the target at a base rate of 100 per second.

That transfer can be increased by a boon.

so if you're applying less than 100 scorch per second you'll never really see it pile up

[flint widget]

does the cast actually do stuff or no cuz i can't see damage numbers

[rare crypt]

that I understand, I just don't understand when/how it diminishes (so the aphro duo would be changing that)

[shy moat]

it diminishes as it turns into damage 🙂 1 scorch reduction -> 0.01 seconds -> 1 damage

so aphro just pauses it actually reducing and gives you only the damage

0 scorch reduction -> 0.01 seconds -> 1 damage anyway

hmm

Unless it goes in pulses of damage; Then you might need a certain amount of scorch for max damage with aphro. I don't know the timing on it.

[rare crypt]

oh, so ur saying in that instance Scorch is like a fuel and while they're Weak it does not use it, while still dealing the damage it should be

[shy moat]

that's a good analogy 🙂

[rare crypt]

and as far as I understand there is a cap of a 100 damage per second and only the Pyro Technique can change the rate, but nothing can change the number (100) cap, right?

[patent bison]

is it possible to use the cast impervious arcana to ignore typhon headbutt?

[rare crypt]

so I guess the play with Burning Desire is to get Island Getaway, lmao

[peak urchin]

is burning desire or scalding vapor better?

i got both of them in a single hestia boon and i dont know which one i should get over the other

[rare crypt]

scalding vapor is 100dot per second if u can constantly re-apply it

[peak urchin]

sweet

[rare crypt]

Burning Desire is best with Glamour Gain + Island Getaway

[peak urchin]

oh i have island getaway

[shy moat]

changing the rate changes the cap

[peak urchin]

i have born gain though, i can try and get it replaced if i find a pool of purging

[rare crypt]

I thought it'd make it do 100 damage every 0.5 seconds instead of actually increasing the number

[peak urchin]

idk ill probably get burning desire at some point anyways ill go scalding vapor and hope i survive rivals eris

[shy moat]

sure? Isn't that 200 damage per second so double the cap? 😄

it wouldn't do 100 then pause for half a second

[sterile portal]

I’m gonna sound like an ass but idk if either of these sound fun to me 😭😭 I don’t like using blood triad when I use morrigan and nergal is already busted enough without tier 6

[rare crypt]

it is, but it's the other number that's changing (the rate), not the value that is being used

[iron grail]

what is the current meta between strength and death arcana ? I used to play mostly strength way before v1.0 but when it got out I made a new save and haven't used it yet.

[rare crypt]

technically the same thing, because there's no way to actually increase the 100 value, but if there were we'd be talking about different things

[shy moat]

that's fair, but it's also how everything in the game works; the base number never changes, you always just add things to it (Sometimes that's flat damage, sometimes it's % based)

[peak urchin]

edit i died

[shy moat]

happens to the best of us

[rare crypt]

noo, that run sounded so fun

[sterile portal]

Death is mostly better for survivability (at least objectively) but strength is better for damage

[peak urchin]

i lowkey skill issue with the staff so hard lol

[sterile portal]

And better damage = faster rooms = not as much damage

[peak urchin]

i need to get better at the rivals fights

[sterile portal]

I still struggle a lot with rivals scylla if I don’t have hitch

I still can’t believe that fight didn’t get nerfed in 1.0

[peak urchin]

rivals scylla is so hard, I usually lose a death defiance or two fighting it

hitch is a great idea though, ill try that next time

[shy moat]

that and Poly are weird difficulty spikes to have just kept into 1.0

[sterile portal]

Ehhh poly is pretty hit or miss but is much more digestible. At least you’re only really dealing with two enemies

[peak urchin]

honestly poly is way harder than rivals eris, i usually lose all my d-defiances and jjust get cooked by eris

[sterile portal]

Normal Eris is also harder than rivals Eris lol

[shy moat]

poly just shuts down too many approaches

[peak urchin]

oh yeah for sure, the laser attack is so sightreadable

[shy moat]

normal eris is easier if you're willing to use the cover 😛

[sterile portal]

His openings are pretty generous imo

[hybrid tulip]

I swear I beat the game then rivals eris just had aimbot all of a sudden

[sterile portal]

Normal Eris for me is harder solely because of the shotgun attack I hate that move

[shy moat]

not when Medea is ready to ambush you any time

[peak urchin]

oh btw what are some super easy fear modifiers for 16 fear? Ihave vow of rivals just beacuse its fun, what are some other ones

[shy moat]

I find denial free, some people hate it

[sterile portal]

Timer, return, menace, hubris depending on weapon

Hordes and girth at low levels are p free

[peak urchin]

hubris sounds fine except for on any hepheastus builds

[sterile portal]

I don’t see why

I dont see why would be counterintuitive for heph specifically I mean

[peak urchin]

isnt rarity super strong on heph

[sterile portal]

Well yeah but it’s just a matter of how much magick you’re using

There are plenty of aspects that allow for magickless builds and then you can use huntress too

Plus at level 1 you’re only priming 9 magick for heroic which really isn’t much at all

I was very surprised at how little impact hubris had on my runs when I started using it, and I use level 2

Fangs is also free imo

[shy moat]

Fangs is free until it's suddenly not

[sterile portal]

And wards

If you’re using fangs 2 it can cause problems but fangs 1 very rarely will

[shy moat]

2 rarely will

[sterile portal]

I’ve entered rooms with a bunch of small enemies like pinheads that all had burner and it leaves maybe 1/10 of the room safe to stand on

Debt might be free if you’re not a greedy bastard like me

And shadow is pretty easy in most cases

[rare crypt]

isn't vow of time the free-est?

[sterile portal]

Honestly it’s easier to list vows that are a significant game changer lol

[sterile portal]

Level 1 is completely negligible, level 2 is too unless you have a HORRIBLE build and/or max hordes, level 3 can be a problem

[peak urchin]

what is your guys most fun build? Im gonna try and do a fear run

[rare crypt]

yeah, i stick to 2 and i've never had issues

[sterile portal]

Level 3 timer is when you have to start actually taking it into consideration imo

[sterile portal]

I play with like 40 fear and it really just feels normal to me, the only big thing I have active besides rivals is frenzy 2

[shy moat]

frenzy 2 makes the timer matter less, time 2 is probably a problem if you don't have frenzy

[sterile portal]

Frenzy 2, rivals, and time 3 are the three vows that pretty much recontextualize the meta

That’s when things stop being viable

[rare crypt]

what if out of those things im only using frenzy 2 and time 2? frenzy 2 seems fine still

[peak urchin]

sorry one more question: to unlock the hidden aspects, do i have to have that weapon equipt to unlock the incantation

[rare crypt]

no

[shy moat]

no, but you need a non-mel aspect at level 5

[peak urchin]

sounds good

[sterile portal]

Frenzy 2 makes the game a lot harder but you get used to it

If you want to see what I mean turn frenzy off for a run and watch how every enemy moves in slow motion lol

[rare crypt]

the only time I notice it is bosses, tbh, I expect the dodge timings to be different than what they end up being, but im sure u get used to that, too

[peak urchin]

okay im going to go a mel knives build, what is reccomended

[sterile portal]

I forgot I can’t say that

The secret boss is a [frustrating encounter] with frenzy

[sterile portal]

Apollo imo

Mel knives is a pretty open ended weapon I think

[peak urchin]

i dont get apollo duos very often, what duos are fun with it

[rare crypt]

now that I know how Scorch works I kinda dig it, very-well designed

[peak urchin]

ill probably get like hitch dash/cast for the rivals siren fight

[rare crypt]

just as a mechanic

[peak urchin]

how does it work really? Ithought it was just a burn debuff

[rare crypt]

it's damage over time, like poison, except it's also the fuel that gets consumed while it's doing the dmg (and has a "soft-ish" cap of damage per second)

[sterile portal]

Depends a lot on your build, apollo has a lot of different duos

[rare crypt]

imma be honest outside of Heph's duo i don't really like Apollo's duos

I think the Beach Ball is an insult to my intelligence, but I'm sure there's some weird build that makes it awesome

[rare crypt]

But it's the "it's the fuel" part that I find really neat. That and Freezer Burn nukes.

[shy moat]

Scorch is like a lamp full of oil.

You set the enemy on fire and then it burns 100 scorch into 100 damage every second, until it runs out of scorch.

[rare crypt]

Yes, we talked about it. I get it.

[shy moat]

I know; I was mostly rephrasing the fuel for the benefit of Cup Noodler, but then the reply was to you because you had the good summary

I could have done that better

[rare crypt]

I'm still mad how Artemis daggers work, tbh (much earlier conversation)

[shy moat]

yeah that seems like a miss

[rare crypt]

or rather disappointed

and im still about to do an Ares build with it, but i got sidetracked with all the Scorch

wondering if Thermal Dynamics is worth building around, kinda difficult with all the things you need

seems like more of a "I didn't get all the good boons for the proper Scorch build, but I keep getting Zeus, so I'm going with Thermal Dynamics" build than anything

[glass bone]

100% yes, Thermal Dynamics can work.

Ideally it’s on a weapon where Blitz is good naturally

So… something like Eos, where Daybreaker can proc Blitz on each pulse, then spreading Scorch.

Or Mel Staff

[rare crypt]

this is where I keep repeating myself asking for Artemis daggers to just give crit chance so my blitz can crit xD

[glass bone]

Actual problem with Artemis imo, is that a miss removes a charge. I hate that

[sterile portal]

I love warm breeze

[rare crypt]

seems like it would be good, i just haven't played around with it yet

[sterile portal]

With enough dodge warm breeze makes it very hard to die lol

[rare crypt]

and I guess Glorious Disaster would be neat for a Cast build

[sterile portal]

I’m pretty sure glorious disaster sucks but I’ve used it twice so idk

[glass bone]

I feel like +50% crit chance naturally, alongside an invincibility option, is way too broken. If it really was that, it should probably be like… 3 seconds.

[sterile portal]

And once was when I got it right before chronos in the end shop

[rare crypt]

or like 25% crit chance, im not married to the 50%

and maybe make the parry only work like a parry (brief window)

[sterile portal]

Biggest problem with Artemis imo is how parrying works. I wish it worked like parrying in 90% of other games where you did it on reaction instead of proactively

[rare crypt]

kinda what I just said, i think xD

[sterile portal]

I’ve yet to find a good use for beach ball but it’s not bad as a “i got offered it and I don’t want any of these other ones” take

They should’ve have made it not work with supay that would’ve given it a cool niche

[glass bone]

Not work with Supay?

[sterile portal]

As in it used to get a damage boost from supay, but that was patched out

[lime nebula]

This was probably asked before, but is there a way to get backstab damage on typhon with your regular attacks on the blades?

[sterile portal]

Don’t think so

[glass bone]

You can backstab with Special only

Or can with enough AoE on Blades I think when Typhon is doing specific attacks

[sterile portal]

I like Mel knives as a no-magick weapon

[glass bone]

Idk the specifics of the AoE bit

[sterile portal]

I don’t usually go out of my way for backstabs but they’re a good bonus when they happen especially if you get the hammer that boosts them and/or back burner

[lime nebula]

Yeah I struggle with all the things and so I love mel knives

[hallow cobalt]

the axe IMO is a great way to ge used to moves

[sterile portal]

I think the staff is moreso

[lime nebula]

yeah I have to learn the other weapons soon if I want to do all the prophecies. Currently only finished runs with knives, but I have not finished the entire story yet

[sterile portal]

I forget what I first beat the game with

[hallow cobalt]

yeah thats why i said IMO because i FOR THE LIFE OF ME cant make use of the special for the staff

[sterile portal]

That was more than 600 runs ago now lol

[shy moat]

time to go scroll a while

[sterile portal]

If you build around special it’s crazy. Like aphro on special and dual moonshot, gg

With Mel staff anyway

[shy moat]

something about +40 damage base

[simple haven]

Anyone have a good video on how to build? Like patterns? I see videos on “broken build” “beginner build” etc but not like the basics on how to learn it

[glass bone]

Check out Mobalytics or Leeramsnyder’s websites

[sterile portal]

Tbh I think the best thing is to just experiment yourself

[glass bone]

Personally, I have made a Charon Axe guide from 0 - 50 Fear on Mobalytics, and I plan to update it to be more accurate for 1.0, as I recently cleared 62 with it

[vernal oar]

Hey everyone! I just need to know
Does anyone know the scaling of boon Rarety vs Levels!?

Forexample does 1lvl on a boon equal the same %gain compare to one rarety up?

[rare crypt]

pretty much it's the same thing

[uneven palm]

A complete list would be very large but typically yeah the first level and a rarity bump are equal

[cerulean panther]

Depends on the boon. Some boons scale higher from rarity, others from levels.

[uneven palm]

There are many exceptions

[glass bone]

Uh… depends on the boon. And there’s far too many boons to show the comparison between multiple rank up and multiple Pom levels.

[twin kiln]

Does anyone have a fun build with the daggers? They feel really weak

[vernal oar]

I see, thank you so much!
But in most cases the +3 levels would be the same as most boons when they are Heroic/Epic?

And do we know if an Epic boon get more from each level then a Common boon would get as example?

[rare crypt]

I did like 30 runs in a row with the daggers, lmao

[glass bone]

Mel Blades, Zeus Special. Spam it, and watch things explode.

[tacit crow]

For ppl who play on kb and m, are there any advices how to use the medea skull properly I find it kinda hard to move around with it tbh

[cerulean panther]

What buttons are your Attack and Special bound?

[tacit crow]

LMB and RMB respectively

[vernal oar]

Do you happen to have an example? :D

[cerulean panther]

Pyro Technique increases by 25% per rarity, but going from level 1 to level 2 is a 50% increase. Poms also usually fall off as their levels climb, Pyro Technique won't increase 50% every level, but some boons have pretty high floors for the end of diminishing returns.

[shy moat]

also the heph attack/special boons actually gain efficiency per pom as they increase (until they cap), which is very backwards from almost everything else

[vernal oar]

thanks for the info! You've been most usefull

[rare crypt]

okay, ares artemis daggers sucks

[bronze flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247623598747947108/1428095678378151998/image.png?ex=68f1413e&is=68efefbe&hm=62657e973aa1bf6c0683baf0edcc2d8f92b06771538f8728c584a4d2c51f5f42&

I beat 32F with that Vows setup and it did not feel that bad. Yes, encounters felt more of a threat but I actually liked that

All to avoid Vow of Time as a certified hater, I guess

It is going to suck on Surface, though... Olympus enemies on Thesally is bad

[cerulean panther]

For Aspect of Artemis, I look for either Wicked Onslaught or Sweeping Ambush to start the run. With WO you want Aphrodite and Hestia and look for as much % Attack and additional Attack Power (Both of them have boons/Infusions that increase Power). Sweeping Ambush mostly takes care of your % Attack so Hera or Apollo for extra fat Omega Attacks will go hard with that Hammer. WO also doesn't really require a Gain, you just need to proc crits with the parry.

There are Trick and Reaper Knives builds that I've never tried but I have heard are sick.

[vernal oar]

I just noticed ||Jeweled Pom says most Boons have a +3lvl|| But does anyone know the chance %?

[daring frost]

Generally speaking is +Power or +Damage% better?

[proven edge]

I think its better to have a balance of both?

[bronze flax]

||I think it means that some specific boons that can't be upgraded won't receive that bonus, like Shameless Attitude or Bridal Glow, but excepting those cases, they would get +3lvl. Emphasis on think||

[proven edge]

If u have a ton of % damage increasing ur power damage would be good cuz it multiplies by it

if u have a ton of power go for % damage

I think

[nova raven]

It’s not chance based, some boons can’t be upgraded

[vernal oar]

Thank you both, makes sense

[daring frost]

Sure, but say at the beginning of a run, which is better to invest in first?

[proven edge]

idk ig do the maths for each weapon 😭 never rly thot abt it just went with vibes

[daring frost]

Haha, fair enough. I was hoping someone here might have already done the hard part 😅

[proven edge]

I assume it'd depend for each weapon and prolly wont make that big of a difference at the start of the run

I assume for weapons where u take % damage boons wise would prefer power early maybe

[rugged moon]

Basicly if it hits hard but slow use % if fast but soft use +

[proven edge]

does + power affect boons like Hestia and Poseidon ?

[rugged moon]

No

Global % increases do. Weapon % dont. Power doesnt

[viral yew]

Power affects base weapon damage, which is then increased with %damage

[rugged moon]

( (base + power) x (%s Added) x 3 if crit x 2 if Ares Crit ) + Flat Damage (Heavy Metal)

Or something like that idk

[peak urchin]

how long does it take to get the hidden aspects? i have all of my mel aspects maxxed and i still havent gotten the dialogue for any of the npcs

[rugged moon]

You need non-mel aspect maxxed not mel

[peak urchin]

ohh okay

[rare crypt]

you also need to unlock all aspects on all weapons

[peak urchin]

I have all aspects unlocked

[rare crypt]

by unlocked make sure they're usable, lmao, i made the worst mistake

[peak urchin]

does it have to be like that npcs specific aspect? like does aspect of circe need to be maxxed to unlock the staff one

[rare crypt]

nope

[rugged moon]

Not unlocked? You just need both aspects for that weapon

It doesnt need to be circe but it doesnt need to be either circe or momus

[peak urchin]

what

this is contradictory to info online

[rugged moon]

You need to have spent the resources to make both aspects of a given weapons usable and one of those two aspects must be maxed

[peak urchin]

okay

[shy moat]

It's been changed since early access

[peak urchin]

alrighty then

[rugged moon]

You do not need all 12 non mel aspects unlocked before first hidden. Just the 2 for that weapon

[wet pawn]

oh yeah what are the rewuiremets for the hidden aspects to start appearing? the 2 aspects and what else?

[viral yew]

Max one of the non mel aspects

[wet pawn]

ohhhhhh ok ok cool

wait

no thats wrong

on my main save I go shiva while only having the mel aspect maxed

[stable herald]

Early access? They changed the requirements in 1.0

[viral yew]

That shouldn't be possible 😭

In 1.0 anyway

[wet pawn]

ohhhhh

damn that sucks doable but way more boring

[stable herald]

Yup that's why everyone's thrown off, and ig the guides are still out of date

[wet pawn]

I'll probably just get nergal since I'm seeing how fast I can speedrun the story

[viral yew]

I feel bad for people that have probably quit the game cause of how much bad info is on the wiki

[wet pawn]

not updated yet?

[viral yew]

Nope

[wet pawn]

damn almost a month since the game is out and they haven't updated it yet? thats crazy

[tacit crow]

Gonna unlock supay tomorrow and hopefully I max out Selene aspect too for shiva

[viral yew]

Shiva my beloved

[split igloo]

how would they update it?

[wet pawn]

Wtf do you mean how would they update it

They can edit what's written

That's how these wikis work, they get edited as new info comes out

[viral yew]

Almost everything was overhauled in 1.0

Give them time lmao

[split igloo]

oh you mean the wiki

thought you meant the game

dude update it yourself then 😭

[wet pawn]

Nah bro idk how to do that I never even use the wiki tbh

For hades 1 for example I only used it to see what the bond requirements with some gods were

[calm maple]

Does Possessed Array not count towards your hex?

[surreal hazel]

no, it's a mana loss, not spend

all mana cost modifiers aren't applied either

[calm maple]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confused-gif-21641306

[rugged moon]

Totally are for most part i thought. Possessed area explicitly doesnt work for dev decided reasons

Things like the 5 cost per strike to double on staff does

[shy moat]

but the label does say "make you lose" instead of "uses"

Awakened Rockets for Shiva should do the same not counting for the hex because they also say "make you lose"

[chilly sonnet]

does medea explosion buff from special or attack damage if it's triggered by the special?

[edgy nacelle]

the explosion from your loaded attack will always do attack damage and benefit from attack boons.
if you hit an enemy with your special and trigger your attack you’ll just damage them twice, so both boon slots are relevant

[lean crypt]

ooh wide grin works with omega attack, neat

[edgy nacelle]

yesss it’s fun
I mainly take it on omega attack persephone tho, since on the other two it isn’t rly a hammer you want to take

[lean crypt]

i gotta win with mel skull -_-

[chilly sonnet]

ohhh

[edgy nacelle]

sadly afaik that hammer turns of the power bonus from Mel skull’s passive, unless they changed that in 1.0
it was a common complaint through all of early access
you can still win a run for sure, just a sad interaction

[lean crypt]

mels whole aspect is sad ngl

idk it's probably the lamest mel aspect imo

[edgy nacelle]

it can be surprisingly strong it’s just…. weird.
I kinda liked playing it with island getaway as a machine gun, with the skulls auto reload hammer

wide grin would just be SO good for it if it actually worked

[glass bone]

Taking Wide Grin means instead you should play with OAttacks.

But yes, it does make the skulls not gain the power

And it’s kind of better to just play Ranged Medea or Persephone if you pick it up

[glass bone]

Also, the summary of why this happens is that Mel Skull calculates its bonus based on before it was fired, rather than when a target is hit

[digital juniper]

yeah if it was the latter wide grin would actually be giga strong on mel skull

and also sounds giga fun

[shy moat]

it could trigger the skulls sequentially so they'd increase damage along the arc at least 😛 (All launch in the same frame but have an "is launched" status that updates immediately so the later skulls detect it)

...or just have special handling for that bonus that calculates at half the skulls missing for them all, whatever.

[warm latch]

you guys are talking about mel skull, i was just about to hop in here and ask question about how to use medea, but i was like " before i go ask in discord maybe i should check youtube"

this video was enlightening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_N7p-r_sU

i couldn't figure out how the delay is supose to work but it just pops when u use ur special lol. "I see now said the blind man peeing into the wind, it all comes back to me"

[livid tartan]

lol fun things discovered: supay with hera rush against rivals sirens is hilariously trivialized

[opaque holly]

What hammers are good on Mel skull?

[meager bramble]

Anything I'm forgetting for Typhon? I stay close to him which helps a lot but am often still getting overwhelmed by the sheer bullet-spam hell of the last part

Just got one more run to have the stuff for Dissolution of Monstrosity 😩 or whatever it's called, so I'm very keen to make it work!!

[alpine eagle]

Does anybody have advice on beating the surface in 5 minutes? As it is, just doing 7 minutes can feel like a struggle for me since there are a lot of zones and running around. Do people skip the extra rooms to save time? I have been mostly doing torches at high heat for reference.

[viral yew]

What's your vow setup?

You mostly want to be taking as many time stop rooms as you can, such as charon shops or npc rooms

[opal pecan]

Just playing through the game normally for the first time, right? I won't claim it's some kind of optimal play, but personally I found it easier to deal with if I moved to the bottom of the map when he was prepping the big eyes, then dodged straight toward him as they launched so that they did their splodey schtick well away. Maybe might come in handy if you're not in position for "stay close"?

[meager bramble]

Oh no, I'm on like 10 Fear at the moment, to make the rest of the run more interesting

Incl Frenzy 1 to get more used to it

[opal pecan]

Hah!! Brave soul. Good luck out there, child soldier 🫡

[meager bramble]

For reference, I had 209 runs on the old file across EA, but I actually hadn't beaten Typhon enough to get the oath-saluting (partly because I was trying to goddamn beat Rivals 3 up top and it's SO hard)

[signal coral]

you want to try and get a good build going out of ephyra

I usually have between 2:30 and 2 min on the clock before fighting polyphemus

important to plan your rooms and be efficient (starting with the rooms that will likely help your immediate dps the most)

if you want to take medea it should be last or second to last

building a time buffer in ephyra is especially important because olympus is LONG and if you are in danger of timing out in ephyra or thessaly you will get cooked by olympus

[viral yew]

And also typhon, cause that's a very long fight

[edgy nacelle]

ooh interesting, I almost never take medea last, altho admittedly that’s just for “hypothetical extra rooms of traces of spirit”
since she pauses the timer I figured order doesn’t matter for medea tbh

[signal coral]

i generally find that summit is chill

[opal pecan]

Wait, why should you take Medea last? Is there a weird mechanic?

[signal coral]

typhon is long-ish but the biome as a whole is fairly short

[viral yew]

Yeah i suppose it balances out

[signal coral]

its like 4 small rooms that go extremely quickly, two minibosses that should also be fairly short

and then typhon

[edgy nacelle]

especially if you get eye over tail, that thing dies so absurdly fast with a good build lol

[signal coral]

rooms get longer the longer you stay in ephyra

so if you take medea first you are skipping the easiest room

if you take her last you skip the hardest room

[edgy nacelle]

aha, I wasn't aware of that, I thought room length was determined purely by room layout not order. but ig it's like tartarus then

[viral yew]

Right ok

[signal coral]

yeah I think every biome is the same

[edgy nacelle]

minibosses last too, then, since they're a fixed length? (and since taking boar first sucks lol if you have no dps)

[signal coral]

the later you are in the biome the more enemies there are

yes, miniboss late is recommended

[opal pecan]

TIL. Here I was thinking "maybe I should start taking her first so that I have her buff when I'm fighting the other guys"... guess not!

[edgy nacelle]

good to know! I don't tend to have time issues with surface but if I ever try casual speeds for surface that'll be great to know

[signal coral]

if medea buff was significant then it would be worth taking first

but she generally doesnt contribute too much to dps

[edgy nacelle]

yeahhh, and as fun as 5 extra traces of spirit procs are there is no world in which that'll determine whether you prime out lol

[signal coral]

like if she gave you a hammer then yeah people would take her first even though it skips the easiest room

because the hammer would probably make clearing future rooms easier

but for the most part her stuff is quality of life

her strongest boon is the armor shred boon, which doesnt really matter until later

not too important for early room clears

[opal pecan]

Yeah, the armor one's my favorite

[warm latch]

on this topic that was something i've been meaning to ask, i took medea buff like my 1st two times through that zone, saw her buffs were trash and never visited again, and we're talking like 20 runs later, so my gut feeling was right? she is like never worth it?

[edgy nacelle]

I mean she does pause timer so if you're worried about time then taking her last is like skipping a room
also her armor shred is very nice, and I'm fond of traces of spirit since it lets me be really lazy abt picking up max magick (and makes it easier to stack things like trusty shield static shock and hubris and still make use of high magick usage weapons)

[signal coral]

some of her boons are nice but not run defining

+5 magick per room is good for aspects that want that

+gold per room is nice to have

enemies have -50% armor is the best one

[edgy nacelle]

for fun/casual runs I skip her like. 60% of the time, if I'm fishing for a duo or some good tier 2 boons from other rooms, but for higher fear I usually take her, personally, if only for a free room with no timer and no damage taken. altho idk if that's ideal

[signal coral]

the others are uh... okay at best

usually you pick her because your build doesnt need anything else urgent and you want to save time

[edgy nacelle]

suffering on sight + wards 2 is so sad
esp when corrosion on sight afaik ignores wards

[signal coral]

suffering on sight is also just not good

[opal pecan]

What about that one that buffs your curses a bit? I actually am not sure what to make of the wording; is the "one second" a cooldown?

[signal coral]

idk I thought it was good but i was told it was bad

[viral yew]

Yeah it's kinda buns

[signal coral]

and the people telling me it was bad are trustworthy so I believe them

[edgy nacelle]

harm to the afflicted? I wanna say the cooldown is universal not even per enemy, which makes it kinda suck
if it was per enemy then +50 damage for room clear is at least like. something

[opal pecan]

It's a universal CD? Oh. I see why they said it was bad then lol

[edgy nacelle]

I think it is, but don't quote me on that, I never rly take it
vs bosses it also just disappears compared to the rest of your DPS

I believe it's universal mainly because it shows up above your health bar and is grayed out as it recharges, 1 sec lemme find a clip, I'm p sure boated used it recently

[opal pecan]

I got so excited because I like cursing everyone 😆 Oh well

[edgy nacelle]

yes ok I think it does work like that
It also only works if you apply a curse that isn't already on the enemy, so with scorch you'll only trigger it if scorch stacks fully run out

[opal pecan]

RIP dreams of fat damage stacks

[edgy nacelle]

he runs it in this video
the cooldown is p short at least, but still, lots of caveats and low damage

[warm latch]

im currently on food break, but it's my 1st run learning how to do the medea skull attack- special tech ( cause before this i don't even wanna talk about it how i couldn't figure out how to use it, i was trying to use cast's and blow up on my own casts type of sheet) and 1st run i learn the Tech, i get Heroic appollo + 5 on attack and Epic aphrodite on special, and it's only a + 4 run... this is a walk in the park lol

ps: im sitting infront of siren boss ( so yea i have that this early)

[sacred storm]

i'd turned off all the vows when 1.0 dropped so i could get all the endgame and postgame content asap and thus no longer have to avoid spoilers. now that i've done so, i went back and went straight to max rivals, plus shadows and fangs 1 for spice. still dunked on chronos with aspect of moros. (granted, it's aspect of moros...)

i was a little worried that falling back to the normal bosses would undo my efforts to learn them but nope thank goodness

[warm latch]

... i finished eating, got back to playing and probably took out the sirens in maybes like ~20seconds... would have been faster if i didn't have to wait to on shields

Jeeeeeeeze

[lean spade]

ran into Athena and she offered Divine Dash (i cried tears of nostalgia)
I pick it and she goes "your brothers favourite" 😭
bruh dont call me out like this

cause it defos was my most picked boon in hades 1

makes me wonder if Hades 2 has the capacity to read those stats from 1

[edgy nacelle]

they know their playerbase lol
she has a lot of dialogue about that boon, it cracks me up

[lean spade]

that makes sense haha

[opal pecan]

It's a good boon, Brent :)

[lean spade]

im so used to sprinting now that I'm not dashing as often which is sadge

[edgy nacelle]

I def get less use out of it in h2 than I did h1
I really liked mental block for a while actually, although I believe it got nerfed since then

[dire shell]

How the heck does one use Selene well? I just had a 2 fear run where I actually lost some DDs. I’m doing fear 20~ without much trouble on other things

[signal coral]

my hades 1 take is that divine dash is overrated

dont get me wrong it is still very very strong
but people treat it like the greatest boon that ever existed and its like, not that

[signal coral]

i try to buff the hex and get stuff that increases magick cost

otherwise follow normal good build advice (make sure origination is running, etc)

for normal room clear you can use the basic coat moveset

[dire shell]

It’s the easiest one to use! But not the only good one

[signal coral]

you should probably get used to interweaving specials in between attacks

[dire shell]

I find the costs omegas really awkward

Yeah, I’ve done well with Nyx

[signal coral]

when its unsafe to melee and vs bosses you can just spam o-special

which should charge hex quickly once you have a boon that makes it use more magick

because o-special is very fast, but it doesnt consume much magick naturally

[shy moat]

I laughed hard when Athena said it was the most favored by Mel's brother, though

[opal pecan]

I swear I groan every time I get to pre-Typhon miniboss and see it's Tail

[shy moat]

Tail is so free though

well; maybe not if you're rushing the timer

[opal pecan]

I druther Eye any day 😔

[shy moat]

...tbh Tail is so free it's kinda boring

[brazen echo]

Yeah ngl i find eye way easier

It does nothing

[dire shell]

Is black coat omega attack… ever good?

[signal coral]

no shiva

[dire shell]

I can feel that it might be, it does a bazillion damage… but it seems hard

[opal pecan]

The timing feels a little murky

[shy moat]

it's got a bunch of trash to watch out for

Meanwhile tail you just gotta evade when it's trying to bite you, and otherwise you dodge through its double shockwave (hitting it the whole time), hit it the whole time it's laying eggs, and hit it the whole time it's doing its big laser

...tail is probably a lot worse for skull though because you can't special through it without taking damage during at least its egg laying phase

[junior dome]

huh, after rivals 2, 3 was not bad at all

[shy moat]

3 is pretty disappointing

[digital juniper]

it’s the opposite on the surface though

[shy moat]

3 was pretty disappointing on both

[digital juniper]

i’d have to disagree myself

[shy moat]

it's especially jarring since 1 on the surface/2 underworld are such big jumps in difficulty to their base fights

[junior trail]

Possessed: Just straight-up great. Easily one of the best hammers in the game.
Fetching: If you’re feeling lazy, slap on Autofire and just hold Attack until the run ends. Boring? Yeah. But super reliable.
Wide Grin: Works well if you're focusing on O.Attack. Even better if you have Bolstered. Just note: the Aspect bonus doesn’t apply here.
Melting: Armor shred is universally good, no matter the build. Solid choice all around.

[fathom ruin]

Why is it when I run into the shades surrounding skelly, they deal damage to him?

[junior dome]

really, scylla and eris went from cakewalk to gauntlet, then cerebus was like, harder but very managable, and prometheus i barely noticed the difference

[bronze flax]

I thought I was the only one struggling with Rivals Eris

[shy moat]

You got an incantation to do that, it works out in the levels too

[junior trail]

When you sprint through Shades during gameplay, it actually commands them to attack for you, which is a neat little mechanic. You can trigger this in Training Ground, Erebus, Ephyra, or when using Anubis as it proc Shades from killing enemies.

It’s not a huge damage boost or anything, but it’s super handy and adds a nice layer of flavor to your movement.

[shy moat]

Yeah I've had issues with her if I can't burst her down

[junior dome]

what do you mean 'if', she spends 90% of the fight invulnerable or off screen, you literally can't burst her down

[shy moat]

There's still opportunities to hammer her, the longer it takes the more likely I end up eating something I'll regret

[static badger]

time to do the last statue

eris was really easy, I think 24 surface will be a lot easier than 36 underworld

[viral yew]

Why did you do 36 underworld

It's only 32

[alpine eagle]

All great advice, thanks. Something I have been wondering is if let’s say I am wanting to fish for Hestia attack boon, does it noticeably improve my odds of I take other god’s boons first to fill up my special, rush, ect even if it means avoiding their attack boons? Or does it make no difference?

[viral yew]

Boons will always try and fill your core slots first so yes

[alpine eagle]

In practice do you think it is worth doing this since it will also make doing rooms slower since you are also delaying your main damage boons?

[static badger]

I mean 32 lol

[dire shell]

Sooo.. Supay. What do

[static badger]

everyone here seems to love it. I used it on 12 surface and it was fine I guess

I only unlocked it after I bothered to complete the story

[dire shell]

I don’t understand how to use it at all, though I did skip straight to 32 UW

[static badger]

it's kinda clunky

[dire shell]

Normally the flames are my best weapon. This one is ??? I think I’m missing some core concept with it

[viral yew]

If you don't get the boon you want then yes

[uneven palm]

Do omegas, run around. Put flat damage (Hestia, Poseidon, Zeus) on attack/special

[static badger]

should I do forfeit or hubris

[sacred storm]

Hubris IMO

[viral yew]

leereamsnyder.com
https://www.leereamsnyder.com
Build ideas and tips for all weapon aspects in “Hades 2”

[dire shell]

Okay so pretty much what it says on the tin. I guess I wasn’t ready for 32 heat 😛

5 minute timer with more enemies felt super rough with it

[static badger]

ew timer

[viral yew]

I love timer

[uneven palm]

Don’t do hordes for 32

[dire shell]

Are blast boons considered good?

[uneven palm]

Get a buncha rarity/poms/duos and sure

[junior dome]

is chronos rivals a puzzle fight where you need a specific # of DDs?

[viral yew]

What?

[tough vapor]

so I got judgement randomly activated by circe, and and after eris it flipped the full 5 cards, but after prom it only flipped 1, it has left the last 3 unflipped, and their all the reroll cards, doess having pomegranite prevent those from being drawn by judgement?

[viral yew]

Yes

[tough vapor]

an interesting interaction

and an understandable one

[junior dome]

the wombo combo where he does 2 of those 'blast with one safe spot' in a row

and before the 2nd one he sets up a time sphere on the safe dot of the first 1

[junior trail]

just run around until the sequence ends ig? if you're talking about his phase 3 opening

and look for XII

[junior dome]

yeah but he timestops you between the 1st and 2nd one

i started running strength for doing high fear, but wondering if death is better for that fight

[junior trail]

this move specifically punishes anyone who'd do dps skip in unrivaled fight lol, gotta get rid of muscle memory

[edgy nacelle]

rivals chronos is 100% possible without DDs
however, it's rather hard, and once you get above 40-45 fear or so DDs start becoming better than strength (plus you'll eventually have to turn off healing, and strength without healing is worse)

but all his oneshots are still avoidable, the patterns are just a lil different

[junior dome]

oh they're dodgeable? that's good

probably just bad luck how it lined up

[edgy nacelle]

he always time bubbles the middle of the arena during p2, which usually catches people off guard
if you try to damage race him the way you can without rivals you get punished
but it's p easy to dodge the 3 oneshots if you just take it slow 🤷

you can just outdamage him too, but it's more invovled than the base fight

[tough vapor]

man, a good zues hera duo boon goes CRAZYhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996966223902421094/1428224145849847969/image.png?ex=68f1b8e3&is=68f06763&hm=f8d74d53ae6b61c25bd1595117cde4d41bb3194af77284142e6f93d529c95e42&

[uneven palm]

He does 3 instakills in a row. He’ll put a bubble around himself and the middle, so don’t get caught. Other than those gotchas they’re entirely dodgeable like normal

[junior dome]

lol 505

[alpine eagle]

Since you recommend taking god keepsakes to start your run, I am guessing that you don’t think that Zag or Hades keepsakes are worth it? They are mainly what I have been using as I get into higher heats.

[open vine]

Um. Is there anything that Air Quality doesn’t bump up to 50 damage at every instance of damage?

[junior trail]

scorch and hitch shared dmg

[edgy nacelle]

||jeweled pom|| is very worth it to start and ik for a fact shiva uses it sometimes
those builds just kind of work differently than pre-ending builds with rerolls 🤷
||calling card|| on the other hand is just ok, but it's the worse option to take first between the two and if you take it second it's often no longer than useful. situationally good, and nice for fun runs like ||forcing heroic hermes/artemis boons||

[open vine]

I’m wondering this while looking at a Phase Shift path of stars that had Squall and Demeter on it.

[open vine]

I would imagine with Scorch, Air Quality would be increasing the amount of Scorch applied to at least 50 if a boon is applying less than that, but not the 100/s rate of damage burning down?

[alpine eagle]

That makes sense. So far I have used the latter on the surface, it seems like it works better there since you can get great Hermes boons and ensure that your main boons are heroic. It is a lot easier to pom up a boon (and the side rooms can drop poms) then up a boon’s rarity.

[open vine]

(I just got my first Selene boon for the run in the shop just before boss3. I’m usually getting it earlier or not at all in a run ^^; )

[junior trail]

Fates’ Whim runs are just as strong and fun, just in a different way. Honestly, Pom/Chrolex are one of the best keepsakes out there. Both approaches are totally valid. It just depends on your playstyle and mood that run

[alpine eagle]

I like the former for the underworld since you have less choice over what boons you’ll get so it’s better for everything to just be pommed up.

[edgy nacelle]

true, but also think of it this way:
||pom|| doesn't work retroactively, so if you take it in region 1 then an entire extra region of boons is getting ||+3 levels.|| you are incredibly unlikely to get enough poms later to make up for that
||card|| also isn't retroactive, but no matter when you take it you have the same number of total usages per night. ||taking it early just lets you use it faster, but unlike pom doesn't let it affect more total boons||
especially since ephyra is so full of boons I'd rly prefer ||pom|| on the surface tbh, it generates a ton of value 🤷
I mainly take ||calling card in region 2 if a core boon slot I care about is still empty, so I can rarify something I rly care abt, but it's hard to justify taking over pom first imo||
both are good tho

also lol just kinda guessing w spoiler tags, I think we're still supposed to mark post ending content but. eh 🤷

[alpine eagle]

I can totally accept that I may be wrong here since I am still in the 30’s for heat. I suppose my thought process for ||calling card|| is that not all boons I get on the surface will be useful, like maybe I don’t care while using Mel torches if my cast or sprint boons are pommed up. But I do want to make sure my mana and damage boons are heroic and will scale well.

Getting 25% attack speed vs 15% on Hermes is huge for example.

[edgy nacelle]

tbh the weird thing with both keepsakes is that I want to get my most important boons ASAP, which means by region 2 I'll ideally not really be taking stuff where I care abt extra levels or rarity quite as much.
so personally in ephyra I'm aiming to get all the boons I most want a bonus on, and then in region 2 it's like... still nice? but my central stuff is done

[alpine eagle]

It is probably build specific. Like for Mel torches I want to get a dmg boon, mana boon, and some defense in first region and don’t even have opportunity to get omega dmg effects like Demeter, position, or Hera until I get enough boons anyways.

[junior trail]

Scorch basically works like this: 16.67 damage x 6 ticks per second = 100 DPS

But when you throw AQ into the mix (since it boosts damage dealt), that base damage jumps to 50 per tick, turning it into 300 DPS
And on top of that, if you add Pyro Technique, you can even increase the tick rate, so it just stacks up insanely fast. It also has crazy Pom scaling

So yeah... no surprise they restricted Scorch from being affected by AQ and crits. It was way too busted lol

[alpine eagle]

So in those cases the timing of second region works out that I may not have even got those boons until by the time I have both keepsakes stacked.

[edgy nacelle]

oh also worth noting: you keep the ||card|| usages even after you take the keepsake off! ||so if you meet Hermes in a later region, which you p much always do, you can still rarify his boons even if it's like... olympus, and the keepsake is off||
taking it in ephyra gives you the bonus immediately, but often my first hermes boon is like... travel deal or something

idk, honestly both are very good, I just find that like. if I take 4-6 boons in ephyra, getting a bonus on all of them feels more impactful than rarifying 1 or 2, unless I have a rly specific thing I want rarity on ||like success rate, maybe heph blasts, crit from artemis etc||

[viral yew]

I do, i just thought you hadn't unlocked them, absolutely do those first

[alpine eagle]

I will admit that there is definitely a perk to ||jpom|| of getting a ||hades|| boon to start which can sometimes be very helpful in the first region. I love when ||my cast can become ranged|| for example.

[open vine]

Not at all surprised it doesn’t apply to the damage per tick. What I mean is, if you have, say, Flame Flourish Lv.2 (Common) that applies 45 Scorch Damage, I imagine Air Quality would boost that to applying 50 Scorch Damage.

Does that make sense?

[alpine eagle]

Getting Hestia attack + Demeter cast or vice versa and eventually freezer burn is wonderful and cuts out having to find an additional boon to make my cast ranged.

[junior trail]

when you see the number listed for "Scorch Damage" on boons, that’s not the actual damage per tick. It’s the amount of Scorch applied per hit, not the tick damage itself
So the real DPS comes from whether you’ve got stuff like Pyro Technique or scaling boosts (like global dmg/olympian dmg) affecting it

[open vine]

This run’s been wicked, I’ve got both Freezer Burn and Thermal Dynamics.

[edgy nacelle]

and afaik, AQ has no interaction at all with how much scorch is applied, since it affects the damage formula and scorch application isn't rly calculated via that

[open vine]

Fair.

This run’s benefitting from AQ in enough other ways that’s not a factor in my odds of winning anyways.

Non-blitz bolts from Power Surge, arctic ring plus arctic gale both, and support fire’s many, many arrows, using the hidden aspect for blades.

[wind lake]

||/spoiler jesus christ the final harder boss vow for the surface is probably the most spammy fight ive ever seen||

||like i was constantly getting hit for 50 by chronos off screen, and thered be four attacks happening at once||

how do you spoiler something

i see people using them thought spoilers were allowed

[edgy nacelle]

||type like this||
two | marks on either side, no spaces

[wind lake]

tyty

[edgy nacelle]

you only have to spoiler mark stuff which is 1.0 content tho, i.e. mostly things involved in the end of the story + post-ending gameplay

[wind lake]

yeah that is post 1,0

[edgy nacelle]

weirdly I think that is one of the few examples of content which is post-ending but existed before 1.0 lol, the unlock requirements changed so it's existed since last patch
still polite to spoiler mark tho, and also YEAH that fight takes a bit to get used to, very bullet hell-y

in the long run I find the UW final boss rivals version harder, but the surface one more punishing if you mess up 🤷

[wind lake]

i think i took over 1k damage on the fight XD

i first tried the uw final boss, only used one defiance

but i have alot more practice for him

[edgy nacelle]

was frenzy on?
imo like... frenzy 2 rivals 4 is harder when dealing with gramps, just because p3 leaves so few safe windows to get hits in and he's so mobile

[wind lake]

nah it was just the boss vow

[edgy nacelle]

ahhh yeah, idr which was harder without frenzy. maybe typhon? been a minute. neither one is easy tho lol

[wind lake]

hades one got me in the habit of putting on boss vows and nothing else to learn the harder bosses since i really enjoy them

since i can get there with op builds without worrying about fodder enemies

[edgy nacelle]

same! altho hades 2 got me to try pushing fear as high as I can go so I'm forcing myself to get used to frenzy lol, I avoided the equivalent like the plague in h1

[wind lake]

real

i forget my highest heat in hades

i think i never went above bounties except a couple times for fun

only have 36 hours in hades

[edgy nacelle]

same, once I maxed out my weapons I was done... I replayed hades a bunch but usually fresh files, not trying to push fear

[wind lake]

yea

i dont think i maxed anything, i just got the ending then stopped

[edgy nacelle]

h2 meanwhile I just..... reeeaaaally like the gameplay lol, I have more hours in it than h1 already 💀 so I'm trying to push fear and beating my personal bests at casual speedrun attempts

not going well today tho lol

[wind lake]

when i first picked up hades 2 on the beta launch day i was so sad the bow was gone

[edgy nacelle]

SAME I love the bow so much... there's even dialogue abt the lack of bow in h2 😭 from odysseus... I love how SGG does bows, I have since Bastion

[wind lake]

my fav weapon is lim and oros but i loved that bow more than anything else

[past salmon]

Yeh I think H2 is ok

[wind lake]

i also hate the shield, for some reason

[edgy nacelle]

rly? damn I thought you didn't like the game

[wind lake]

its like objectively really good but i despised it and never used it even if it had thirst

[edgy nacelle]

ooh hm. unusual take, I feel like a lot of ppl like shield
zeus shield was fun af for me

[past salmon]

True actually I hate it here

[wind lake]

i just dont think i ever grasped the block mechanic

i hate standing still

[edgy nacelle]

I was going to say "same ig" but then I remembered that's how bow works too lol

I just like range

[wind lake]

ye

lim gives me a similar feeling cuz im constantly jumping to get that back damage

and its dps is just absolutely absurd

with the right setup

although hades 2 doesnt seem to have any standouts as far as i can see

although i havent used alot of the aspects because i cant afford them yet

[edgy nacelle]

tbh there isn't a weapon in h2 I truly dislike, just some I suck at (like medea skull, unfortunately cause it's the strongest one 💀)

[wind lake]

i cant get the hang of it either

like i see people using it and somehow loading an attack and dashing way quicker than i can

[past salmon]

Simply believe in yourself harder

[edgy nacelle]

I just need to force myself to use it more, I checked and I have literally 4 medea runs on my save file. awful.
more on my pre-unseen files but still lol

[wind lake]

i think my least favorite overall is probably the axe

[past salmon]

Based

[edgy nacelle]

same I think lol, altho some aspects are fun

[wind lake]

like the only saving grace is thanatos aspect, with the quicker hammer and a good hermes boon its an acceptable weapon

[past salmon]

Less based

[wind lake]

XD

[edgy nacelle]

foolish which of the axes do you like the most, idk your weapon takes

[past salmon]

Probs Charon but Nergal is close cuz I just think it's funny

[wind lake]

and even then i dont even use omegas unless i get like that one demeter boon that doubles omega damage

ah im guessing thats a hidden aspect? iirc i only have charon and thanatos

[edgy nacelle]

I can agree w charon
I should play nergal more

[edgy nacelle]

and yup similar system to h1

[wind lake]

charon is the one that makes your specials explode right

i dont think i ever unlocked hidden aspects in hades

[opal pecan]

If you don't omega special on axe, you just don't have a real ranged attack, right?

[wind lake]

apollo attack is a ranged attack

[edgy nacelle]

Ω special makes cast explode into Ω cast
very good damage, but you def need to stand still lol which ik you don't like based on shield

[wind lake]

i cast "cover the entire screen" melee

[opal pecan]

Pfft

[past salmon]

Axe is a ranged weapon

People need to understand this

Has about as much range as hel anyway lmao

[wind lake]

yep

[opal pecan]

maybe that's why I also didn't feel it with Hel lol

[wind lake]

the only cast build ive found really fun is the pan cast build

with island getaway

[edgy nacelle]

you should mess with circe if you haven't, for cast builds

[wind lake]

thats the psyche link right

[opal pecan]

With the double cast yeah

[wind lake]

i looked at it said too complicated and ignored it

[edgy nacelle]

yess but more importantly the x2 cast damage and potentially x2 cast AoE if you want

[past salmon]

Can you unlock Circe before getting a familiar actually
That sounds funny

[wind lake]

actually that sounds really funny

[edgy nacelle]

since your pet uses a cast whenever you do, with all the same boons affecting it. the leash is nice but less important

[wind lake]

ah ok

[edgy nacelle]

lmao good question, I feel like maybe? idt the aspect incant requires frinos. maybe...

[wind lake]

what are the good cast boons for damage anywho.

i swear hestias boons got hard nerfed from the beta release

i remember she had a "instant death nuke'

if the enemy had too much scorch
seems to be gone

like the hades one where 10 stacks of chill made em explode

[edgy nacelle]

kinda depends what you're aiming for
storm ring (zeus) is great for normal cast
if you're doing Ω cast stuff like charon or winner's circe builds then like. poseidon, apollo etc

[edgy nacelle]

scorch also got a ton of buffs semi-recently, it's quite good

• freezer burn (demeter duo) is still there if you want to pop max stacks of scorch for big damage

[wind lake]

i see, i swear there was one that just instantly popped if it got 100 scorch and did that much damage

seems like every scorch build i just get the max stack once im later in

[edgy nacelle]

you rly want to aim for either pyro technique (scorch ticks faster) or freezer burn imo, if you can

[wind lake]

yeah definitely

does the sprint still inflict freeze

[edgy nacelle]

but scorch is crazy good with a little investment, I'm glad hestia got buffed so much before 1.0. same with heph, blast builds are funny

demeter sprint inflicts a status curse but not freeze, so can't pop freezer burn

[wind lake]

oh yeah i did get a 2 second blast boon yesterday, on an attack build so i never used it

was a replacement and was hoping for glow that never came

[edgy nacelle]

blasts are just silly with the 2s cooldown and a couple duo boons, my best blast run was uhhh 1 sec lemme link the screenshot in #h2-victory-boasting

here lol: #h2-victory-boasting message
hestia duo alone makes blast just... so funny, never had anything do that much damage on the end of run summary before

[wind lake]

niice

it seems i get alot of these op blast boons when im just using blast on my special for glow

ive seen that duo a couple times but could never make it work since it always came so late

[edgy nacelle]

there are a lot of good duos for blasts tbh! it's easy to luck into one of them

but I don't rly aim for blast builds all that often, they're fun but kinda gimmicky and barely care what weapon you're on

[wind lake]

yeah

wait wtf is a beach ball

and how did it do 33k XD

is that the poseidon water sphere?

[gentle widget]

yes, and its of zero value in low fear

[wind lake]

that means its usefull in high fear?

[edgy nacelle]

it's...... I tend to underrate it? but idt it's that good

if you make use of it it does decent damage, but not every weapon will rly sprint enough for it to pop off. like, idk, it's fun on nyx and supay

[gentle widget]

yea in high fear your base damage will be so bad the water ball actually do something in addition

[wind lake]

wait fear changes your base damage?

or it just limits your boons so your damage is worse

oh ig cast and magick arcana thats fair

[gentle widget]

no it nerfs your boons

[edgy nacelle]

nah, but it makes it harder to get boons + makes there be more enemies, potentially with more hp
fewer total boons, shop boons cost more

afaik beach ball also relevant for fresh file speedruns, since apollo and poseidon are two of the earliest gods who can show up and with no arcana or other meta progression the raw damage is pretty notable...?

it's also just a very funny boon lol, I never expect it to do much but then it shows up on the damage board and like. okay 👍 cool, not mad but why is it there

[gentle widget]

its also a nice barrier remover

just that its so trivial nobody bothers to master the usage of it

[wind lake]

my thought is why take it over the other 2 boons poseidon offers that boosts your base damage

unless its truly the only good option there

[gentle widget]

it pairs very well with aspect of supay tho

[edgy nacelle]

I mean sometimes it's the final shop of region 3 and poseidon's other offerings are like.... sea star and buried treasure

[wind lake]

with denial it can be stubborn too sometimes yeah

fair enough

[edgy nacelle]

also yeah, supay and nyx are both aspects that actively want to sprint long enough that beach ball gains value, at which point idk if I'd fish for it but it has nice synergy

but for sprint only runs I still think zeus sprint + double strike + king's ransom is way more fun lol

[wind lake]

im kinda curious what the current ceiling is for raw dps on something, anybody got any videos on that. Doesnt have to be practical in any sort of way

[prisma needle]

went back to play hades 1

why does bull rush block like almost everything

but black coat omega attack has so many blindspots

man

just react i guess

[static badger]

it's quite a bullet hell

[gentle widget]

i think the best dps you ever have will be anubis/supay on blitz/scorch ultimate builds because they leave zero space for human error

#h2-victory-boasting message my most fufilling run ever was on scorch because it didnt even matter if i played well or not, i just jammed it down and everything extinguished

[sinful marlin]

Medea goes crazy in terms of dps tbh

[opal pecan]

Man, I knew scorch could go off, but three hundred kay, damn.

High fear sure be like.

[gentle widget]

medea has room for error so it would not be better than blitz supay aphrodite dual boon imo

[gentle widget]

yea bro i'm a hestia merchant

[static badger]

scorch is awesome

[gentle widget]

not until you can combo it

[static badger]

first thing I look for is the combo

last run I had water fitness, the mana add into health, chaos health, and paid dues

oh and Dio health

I felt like xzhibit in pimp my ride

[quartz plaza]

I'm playing Mel Axe.

Which attacks should I take? (Right now I take Aphro)
Which cast? (I currently take Demeter for the freeze, it makes surviability much better)
Which rush? (I currently like Apollo for the Daze -- also helps survivability, and gets me Orgination with the cast)
Which magick? (I don't really use magic with axe, so I just take Aphro for auto-weak applications, though usually cast + rush is enough)

[static badger]

you wanna survive, you go for water boons

you'll have infinite health

I had over 1 k by the time I got to Typhon last

who cares if the attacks are lame sometimes, just pair it with the fire

[quartz plaza]

I usually go Aphro/Demeter/Apollo/Heph on Mel Axe -- which would you drop for Poseidon?

[static badger]

Apollo usually

just won a rivals 2 void Max underworld

[quartz plaza]

What is the boon that scales health for Poseidon?

[static badger]

water fitness

it's an infusion

doesn't matter what build you're running, if you have the 2 water element required to see it I would always take it

I even found it while doing the trial of doom

[gentle widget]

normally you favor the gods offering the same elements, the game designed them to fit fairly well

or aim for specific dual boons

[static badger]

more of the same element = more power

although you normally have to fish for the boons that would make it so

[gentle widget]

also remember the god slots max out at 4, you can get more from keepsakes but they wont spawn after the keepsake run out

[static badger]

Hermes is always the odd one out for me

he can keep his boons after I've gotten what I wanted

always stiffing me when I'm looking for something

[gentle widget]

nowadays i avoid hermes until i got my hands on zaegrus keepsake

most of hermes boons are worth it at heroic

[static badger]

I was talking about that legendary one

[quartz plaza]

does that imlpy I should go from Aphrodite 💧🍭 / Demeter 💧🪨 / Apollo 🍭🔥 / Hephaestus 🔥🪨 to

Aphrodite 💧🍭 / Demeter 💧🪨 / Poseidon 💧 / Hera 🪨 ?

[gentle widget]

yes

[quartz plaza]

since apollo doesn't 'fit'

[static badger]

see the triple water

you have double everything so you actually end up missing out

[quartz plaza]

got it, thanks

will try this next run!

[gentle widget]

mel axe if u wanna apollo i would do aphrodite zues apollo heph

[static badger]

wispy wiles, air quality etc

[gentle widget]

if u go tanky i do demer posei heph aphro

[static badger]

zeus aether font boon

or born gain wherever you luck into it

[quartz plaza]

heph over hera?

[gentle widget]

hera is cool to yea

[static badger]

surface or underworld

it makes a big difference

[quartz plaza]

which why

i have like <5 surface clears so far

and only like 5 underworld clears

[gentle widget]

ah

just go with the flow bro

have fun

[static badger]

the game gets wayyyy easier

[quartz plaza]

ah, the power scaling continues? I haven't even upgraded all my arcana cards yet :p

[static badger]

the biggest power of all is still growing 🧠

[opaque holly]

How do you control your gods that much? Keepsake to guarantee the first one but aren’t all the ones after in first biome random?

Obviously you can keepsake second biome to get a target second god

[edgy nacelle]

rerolls + taking a second keepsake, or resetting your seed if you want to
resetting your seed is kinda easier on the surface since by room 3 you can see all the gods you're being offered in region 1. but rerolls are the big thing

[opaque holly]

But that’s 2/4

[edgy nacelle]

but. rerolls
you get 10 rerolls

you can use rerolls on a door until it offers you a god you want 🤷

it's still rng but it's the main thing that gives you control

[opaque holly]

Ah okay

[viral yew]

You get offered other gods by that point

[spiral wadi]

if u skip a god room before ever picking up any of their boons, they won't actually be in ur god pool

[opaque holly]

I probably won’t ever seed reset

Just play with what the game gives

[spiral wadi]

so if u see a god u don't want then u can usually just either not take it or reroll that door

[edgy nacelle]

you can also just avoid taking a god you don't want in- yes lol, what red said
even if you're saving rerolls, if you get offered a god door and a pom door and don't want the god, just take the pom (for instance)
with post-ending keepsakes ||you can also turn the god to gold, which I believe will stop them from entering your pool if it's the first time you see them||

[spiral wadi]

but yea it's a good skill to just play around w/ whatever gods ur given, cuz even at the high level it's not really fishing for specific gods as much as it is taking what ur given and balling

[opaque holly]

I guess especially for miniboss doors where the roll will always give you a god and not other majors

[edgy nacelle]

yes, great place to reroll for sure

[hollow stag]

On Night 5, when Zeus first appears, what is the best weapon to use with his boons? Would it be the sister knives? I'm seeing an Epic Gain Boon.

[spiral wadi]

zeus is just mega busted on anything lol

[kindred sonnet]

what is the best arcana setup for ||fates whim|| that people use now

[quartz plaza]

Is reset seed = undo night?

[spiral wadi]

nah, there's a specific mechanic u get very endgame that lets u actually reroll the seed

[edgy nacelle]

late game incantation, post epilogue
to get a new seed otherwise you have to die during a run
altho if you undo night and switch god keepsake the same boon slots + rarity will usually be offered, just for that god

[spiral wadi]

i think it's the standard setup, i like artificier to make erebus more manageable, then i believe any combination of huntress/messenger/night/eternity whatever

[quartz plaza]

Ah ok. I haven’t gotten to the epilogue (not sure how far away I am at 5 chronos <5 typhoon kills)

[kindred sonnet]

you cant use the standard setup since rolls are banned

[opaque holly]

Do people not take unseen on fates whim? To avoid a crummy gain

[edgy nacelle]

eh. some people do, I haven't
a lot of gains are good, and even more gains are good with automatic +3 levels

[gentle widget]

if u got played by rng just go for the most optimal boons

like if u had ares heph hera poseidon, none of these gods offer a functional attack slot so u get the highest % dmg from hera and cry about it

[opaque holly]

Hera attack is good tho? Hitch is strong

Heph also viable if you pom or rarify enough?

[gentle widget]

u hit reroll at the prayers?

[opaque holly]

What’s the issue with Ares?

[gentle widget]

yea not a real attack boon

[opaque holly]

Are wounds weak?

[gentle widget]

they require investments to grow and does not match blitz, raw apollo aphrodite output even at maxed

[viral yew]

Most of the time yes

[spiral wadi]

clarification, the standard setup but u remove the rerolls

for artificier and huntress/messenger/night/eternity whatever

[opaque holly]

Is eternity useful? I heard it doesn’t work with torch omega attack?

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#4416743

[spiral wadi]

ye i don't think for torch oatk, it's mainly just for overall safer omegas and also moon proc for easier selene charging

[opaque holly]

Is that plan reasonable for whim?

[spiral wadi]

looks fun

[junior trail]

eternity is more for like staff o.atk, blades o.atk, axe o.atk/o.special etc
the one that takes time to charge or spam

[opaque holly]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#6399079 for non whim I think

[gentle widget]

whim u leave out the 3 cards upper right and 3 cards bottom left

and u dont need strength, activte all the 1 and 2 grasp buffs

the duo boon rate up is useless as well because u will be rich

[opaque holly]

I think site is bugged it has moon active without adjacent card

[opaque holly]

Why not? I’m not running death

Need either str or death no?

[gentle widget]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#421095

quite a few high fear grinder run this

because on high fear your click smash is meaning less so raw weapon output is not needed, strengths out

[opaque holly]

Excellence?

I thought people said it was bad

[gentle widget]

its there because you can have it

[opaque holly]

Also sorry what’s click smash

[gentle widget]

click smash is normal attack spam

[opaque holly]

Strength applies to all damage dealt tho?

Not just weapon dmg

[gentle widget]

no, only your weapons

[opaque holly]

Oh what

[junior trail]

its fun to work around his plasma build (sanguinary and carnal/sunny combo) and heinous

but most of the time, vicious is used only for supplemental dmg (grievous blow)

[gentle widget]

even then 90% of ur run wont benefit from it

[opaque holly]

Tooltip makes it seem like a global modifier…that’s weird

Unless it was changed at some point?

[gentle widget]

hmm i dont really know

[opaque holly]

Just says “you deal 20% more”

Pretty sure it’s global but I’m a noob

[gentle widget]

but strength is of no use when u run DD

[opaque holly]

Oh yes

I’m never going to take scars beyond 1