h2-builds-and-combat

[flint widget]

blades is a fast hitting weapon so going for on hit effects like scorch or poseidon waves on the attack is massive

[turbid crescent]

I think I need like 2 cards more?

[odd bolt]

Yeah I know they also don't count for extended family from Hera for example

[turbid crescent]

Yeah I play poseidon but my man gives me common attack boons 😭

[flint widget]

scorch also gets u one step closer to thermal dynamics and thermal dynamics is broken

[turbid crescent]

Gimme epic stuff bro cmon

[flint widget]

honestly rarity is kinda overrated

[weak meteor]

Common boons are honestly better than rare boons.

[flint widget]

as long as i have the boons i want that's totally fine

[weak meteor]

Just use the Aromatic Phial and juice up your one common boon.

[turbid crescent]

Just having atleast one heroic gives me some confidence

[obtuse roost]

Maybe i should replace excellence

[flint widget]

plus i mostly run ||jeweled pom|| start cuz it is cracked

yeah excellence is bad

wait, what's ur arcana?

[weak meteor]

I like Excellence.

[obtuse roost]

Lemme see, I've been generally happy with my set up but it could be optimised

[flint widget]

for a 5 cost card it is bad

same with unseen

[turbid crescent]

I think I should try using strength and a defensive build

might help with getting better instead of abusing death defiance

[weak meteor]

Excellence just passively juices your run, which I appreciate a lot.

[flint widget]

plus the rarity increase doesn't even matter that much tbh

[chilly swift]

Can you reroll to try and get Arachne rooms?

[obtuse roost]

so i have sorceress, wayward, huntress, eternity, moon, persistence, centaur, origination, enchantress, excellence, queen, champions, strength, divinity

[flint widget]

id rather take something like huntress + artificer

[obtuse roost]

Boatman is probably underrated

[flint widget]

boatman also unlocks reroll corner so it is cracked

[obtuse roost]

I am mostly missing moon(?) though, the one with crit

[weak meteor]

I ignore the entire reroll corner. I'm a pom enjoyer.

[flint widget]

same for me

[turbid crescent]

am I the only weird guy using death defiance in this game?

[obtuse roost]

Yeah i should try pom too

[past mist]

managed that 49 fear win, but not in time for the timer to not be an issue. think special-focused nyx is slower on the last parts

[obtuse roost]

Strength is so good

[weak meteor]

Death defiance is just not as good.

[flint widget]

no ur not, death defiance is amazing for survivability

[weak meteor]

Your effective health is more or less the same with strength. But Strength also gives damage.

[obtuse roost]

Do you run furies? I really wanted that too but couldn't afford it

But i guess with pom you can

[flint widget]

im running 58 fear currently and it is SO much better than strength

[empty moat]

whats the best cast and special for charon aspect ?

[austere trail]

well yeah at high fear it is better, but at low fear strength is better

[flint widget]

true

but if ur struggling just take death

[obtuse roost]

Makes sense, in h1 it was a similar deal. Persistent defiance generally worse until very high heat

[flint widget]

when u get more experience with the game strength is the go to

[obtuse roost]

Do you run lovers for high fear rivals?

[weak meteor]

At low to moderate fear levels, Strength is just much better.

It's only once you're cutting down on healing and getting overkilled by big chunks of health that death defiance is big.

[flint widget]

yes ofc, those three free hits are a godsent for boss fights

[obtuse roost]

I've neglected to change my loadout transitioning from my casual playthrough into high fear runs

[flint widget]

id say the ideal arcana setup is sorceress, furies, persistence, the entire third row and the reroll corner

[weak meteor]

Mind you, high fear is like, really high. Strength is better for a good while.

[obtuse roost]

Oh yeah I'm keeping strength, i don't plan to do such high fear. Just a normal amount for a moderately challenging but still fun run

[flint widget]

if ur running pom replace the reroll corner except boatman with strength and artificer

[obtuse roost]

Like around 25 fear

[weak meteor]

Mhmm. Same.

[obtuse roost]

Yeah I'll start messing with pom, i just got those and it seems cracked

[weak meteor]

Artificer is pretty solid.

[obtuse roost]

Tbh I mostly started using rerolls to farm nectar

[weak meteor]

But Excellence makes me happy.

[obtuse roost]

Ye it just feels good to get pretty colors

[flint widget]

id say excellence is decent if u wanna have a high rarity boon right at the start (notable examples include blitz and nitro boost) but other than that its kinda eh

[obtuse roost]

Ye i noticed a lot of boons don't scale very well no matter the rarity

[weak meteor]

It depends. Lots of boons do give good bonuses for rarity.

[obtuse roost]

I do like it on blitz

[weak meteor]

And getting most of your boons at rare besides one common lets you make tactical use of Aromatic Phial.

[flint widget]

but honestly i don't even rarity reset i just take what i can get

if i get a million commons so be it

[weak meteor]

I take Pom so I can just vibe with what the game gives me.

[flint widget]

jp gives me free poms anyway

[weak meteor]

But Excellence + Pom means that what the game gives me is generally always solid.

[obtuse roost]

Next time I'll go with pom too, i just needed an excuse to change already and this is it

[flint widget]

pom starts got me my first high fear clears so it's my goat

anyways ill be grinding out 58 fear eos surface runs

bye bye

[weak meteor]

Good luck 😄

[rain timber]

best build for mel aspect black coat?

[uneven palm]

Rare boons that already have 3 levels is kinda eh imo. Excellence had a chance to be decent and it still isn’t

[uneven palm]

Any combo of Hera Zeus Poseidon Hestia Ares on attack/special is probably fine. Exhaust Riser + Poseidon attack is a good go-to

[proven edge]

wanted to ask for a intersting Selene build, beating the game with every weapon and idk what would be good to put on this one

[uneven palm]

Use Night, put big percentages on attack/special and rotate Omegas to activate the hex. You’ll want to take the Moon Beam to power it up, and if you can slot Ares in the godsent is very strong

[proven edge]

so like apollo/aphordite and start the run on Ares keepsake for the godsent?

[rigid ivy]

Any tips for Prometheus? I don’t know how to dodge his attacks tbh

[glass bone]

So regular Prometheus works by having a set of regular attacks, and powered attacks.

In P1, these powered attacks are used each time by on their own. Whereas in P2 and P3, Prometheus uses a series of the non-powered up attacks, and the final attack (I think the 3rd attack in P2, and 4th in P3?) is the powered up attack

The standard attacks are punches (powered up: fire will fly towards you), a dash attack kick (powered up: a fire wave is flung at your direction), a slam attack (powered up: a circle of fire surrounds Prom), and an uppercut (powered up: a pillar of fire is spawned in front of Prom)

[calm maple]

Hmm, I suppose cardio gain isn't great for medea then. Unless you can get good rarity on it or pom it a bunch.

[rigid ivy]

Oh wait does Prom have 3 phases? Or am I misinterpreting it

[glass bone]

Prometheus does have 3 Phases. P1 is 100%-67% HP (then Memory Game 1), P2 is 66% to 34% HP (then Memory Game 2), and P3 is 33% to 0% HP

[arctic glacier]

Yo!
Any recommendations on what to run with Aspect of Mel Staff?
Poseidon used to be really good, but after the changes to the staff I'm wondering what is fun/strong to run!

[junior trail]

Possessed has a bug with flood gain where the effect always triggers while flood gain is active even you have no magick

So yeah it’s born or flood, cardio isn’t enough

[glass bone]

Zeus Attack, and any % Boon works (Hera is the best imo). Spam the combo of Dash Attack -> Special if you can.

[rigid ivy]

Ohh damn thats a lot
I think the first memory game caught me off guard so I got a lot of damage there
I mean the whole fight caught me off guard but still 😔

[glass bone]

I don’t know if it was posted here, but there is a chart detailing all of the options of the Memory game, since some possible options of flames are impossible

And out of all of Prom’s attacks, the memory game flames are the most lethal.

[rigid ivy]

Yea I think one hit costed me one death defiance

[austere trail]

strength can facetank a couple

[rigid ivy]

True, I also use Tula for additional one

[weak meteor]

Yeah, the memory game is pretty brutal if you're not good at it.

If you're really struggling with it, I've seen people suggest pausing the game and writing down each safe spot.

[rigid ivy]

Hmm I only got to him once so far so can’t really say

[calm maple]

I used to take hexes with invincibility just to survive the memory games

[uneven palm]

This might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDfSTMw9qsI

[rain wagon]

If you're struggling with the memory game, just remember the first, then dash through the rest

[weak meteor]

I just say the safe spots out loud.

[uneven palm]

Yeah, but i usually start moon beam or Aphro/Apollo/Hera and add Ares later.

[rigid ivy]

I also got to Chronos once but apparently he has a second phase as well and I don’t think I even got to 3/4 of his health before he killed me so

[weak meteor]

You'll get better in time, as well as unlock stuff to make you stronger. Don't worry too much ^^

Just keep practicing.

[tough vapor]

Ive just unlocked it, but I presume anubis staff goes great with hera hitched?

[weak meteor]

If all you care about is room clearing, sure.

[rain wagon]

Against normal enemies, yes, not so well against bosses, so pair it with something that kills bosses

[weak meteor]

You might struggle with solo bosses if you don't get more going for you though.

[rigid ivy]

What’s a good build with the skull weapon btw? (I dont remember the name)

[flint widget]

id say take zeus/hestia for the attack and cardio gain as the magick regen and spam omega attacks and u are set

aphro special is pretty funny as well

[proven edge]

ah makes sense

thx so much!!!

missed moon beam in ur first message my bad

when did they change grisly gain cuz I didnt realize and picked it and ive been poor in magik

[compact comet]

kind of a weird question but is anyone else ||not finding zagreus contracts?|| how many post credits runs do I have to do before it shows up? Ive done like... 12

[uneven palm]

It’s just chance at midshops

[compact comet]

i basically take most shops cause I have extra charon money from the arcana, am I just stupendously unlucky?

or is this normal rareness

[uneven palm]

That sounds like very bad luck. It’s 40% chance I think

[near estuary]

i see that they nerfed or did something with moon boon that summons fallen enemy
bcs not it deals 0 dmg on bosses 🙁

my fun pokemon build is gone

[surreal hazel]

errr, that shouldn't be happening

[near estuary]

O.o

[surreal hazel]

it should be doing damage to bosses

what did you revive?

[near estuary]

that mini boss with blaunderbaus who shoots purple projectiles he is in second location of olympus on that boat
i summoned him on rival 4 typhon fight

[surreal hazel]

I've had that gunning down typhon good and proper

were you seeing it do zero damage or just not bothering to attack?

[near estuary]

nah what i meant is he just stood around and fired once every 10s for 100 dmg
i dont think thats normal bcs every other summon did atleast 500 per attack ofc speed varied based on the type

[surreal hazel]

it should just spam attacks, it's all its scripted to do

however during the babality phase it will just do nothing since Typhon is totally invulnerable until you become an adult again

[near estuary]

babality phase ?

[surreal hazel]

TURN BACK

[near estuary]

i think i died before that

[surreal hazel]

ah, then idk

[near estuary]

only got i think to phase then he said "expected someone else ?"

[surreal hazel]

ah that bit

first time getting to rival's typhon?

[near estuary]

yeah firs ttime

[surreal hazel]

ah okay

in which case, idk, it should be gunning away

[near estuary]

normal typhon i remember first time i killed him with summon of that little floating eye that dealt 500dmg per second

[paper tapir]

exellence should overall be better than divinity right?

[surreal hazel]

ahahah, no

[near estuary]

well i will see with other mobs maybe he is just bugged a little bit

[surreal hazel]

Divinity is free, excellence is way overpriced

[signal coral]

i take excellence on pom builds because i like it when my boons are a cool color

[paper tapir]

understandable, but im still thinking about if i wanna pick the boatman(with free rerolls) or just better odds to get legendary or rare

[signal coral]

but I think boatman is probably better

[surreal hazel]

An extra two boons bought a shop is worth more than more rares,

the difference between rare and common isn't a lot

and to call excellence the same price as Origination is madness tbh

[paper tapir]

gotcha, guess im using my old setup (hope this isnt the reason why i felt like i always skip charon lmao)

[tall notch]

I only click excellence on fates whim builds where I also know I don't want to omega https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiXQ==

[dire shell]

Oh is excellence not good? The numbers there are unclear

[surreal hazel]

it's not worth the investment, other choices are far superior

[dire shell]

Oh neat

[tall notch]

for the fates whim no omega build it's clickable because like what else would you take

[dire shell]

I had it as a third 5 some of the time, but it’s a math problem that I haven’t done

[surreal hazel]

basically everything else

[dire shell]

I usually play whim, I find it more fun so getting free buffs is even radder

[surreal hazel]

the boatman is still allowed

[dire shell]

Boatman & origination are clearly amazing though, I’ve been using 3 5s I think

[steep galleon]

I like excellence on pom setup

[tall notch]

look at my setup above, it has three 5-costs and it dropped all the omega stuff because this is for aspects that don't use their magick

like honestly I don't see anything better I could take for these kinds of builds

[signal coral]

this is my no omega setup

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyIsImMxOSIsImMyNCJd

this is what I run for omega builds (boatman should probably be taken over excellence but I like blue)
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNCIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE5IiwiYzI0Il0=

also I often swap something for artificer when playing uw
I dont like artificer for surface

[steep galleon]

On hubris 2 I'd probably swap excellence for boatman on omega builds

Still not at the level where I take hubris 2 for them though

[signal coral]

the one major thing to note is that boatman often only matters in the first shop on pom runs

if you take timepiece in zone 2 you usually end up with way too much money afterwards

[tall notch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjOSIsImMxMSIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNyIsImMxOCIsImMyNCJd btw chat thoughts on my Nyx setup?

[signal coral]

where is furies

[tall notch]

I needed to fit Unseen

[signal coral]

why

[steep galleon]

Yeah the 1st shop (or midshop in uw) is the only thing boatman affects

[tall notch]

To regenerate my magick and use the Nyx omega boost

[surreal hazel]

what on earth?

[steep galleon]

So possibly one extra boon on debt 2

[signal coral]

i would rather have furies than unseen, artificer, or boatman

[tall notch]

and also because @rugged moon dared me to

Also Unseen is the only reasonable way to turn Moon on for Nyx

[surreal hazel]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

just... so many more things you could activate for dropping excellence

[rugged moon]

🤢 i want no part in your madness. I didnt dare you, you just took what i said as a challenge 😛

[tall notch]

oh hi its the Unseen's biggest fan

[rugged moon]

[static badger]

got a 6 fear surface victory

the upgraded polyphemus is definitely more difficult

[near estuary]

anyone know what could be higher dmg output on shiva aspect
aphrodite attack boon or ares ? on max charged omega attack

[daring nexus]

Do Origination & the Furies work with Scorch?

[near estuary]

yeah scorch is counted as curse

[daring nexus]

No, I mean do they increase Scorch damage?

[near estuary]

and it deals more dmg then

[signal coral]

yes

they didnt used to but it was changed 2 patches ago I think

before then scorch was giga terrible

[blissful niche]

I never tried it out, but.. is it possible to backstab Typhon? lol except with cheesy hexes?

[signal coral]

blade special can backstab
you normally cannot backstab typhon with anything else but I think there are some weird potentially bugged interactions that let you do so

[blissful niche]

yeah thats exactly the reason I wondered if he is :D
checked all weapons to see what to play and yeah, never tried Mel Blades cause Typhon just doesnt seem to be able to backstab

[signal coral]

since the special flies out and then comes back, it can backstab him when it flies back to you

[stray notch]

Does extra dose work with Anubi aspect?

[lean yoke]

gale's squeaky toy noises are driving me insane

[surreal hazel]

They're great

[austere trail]

the sound design of this game is very good. I like the sound that inflicting daze makes

[fallow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/anarchy-gif-3146435946267519264

Me with the ankh staff ^

[cosmic steppe]

So guys starting tomorrow I'm gonna start speed running the game

[barren badger]

Are hermes boons worth it?

I find myself skipping over them usually

[cosmic steppe]

I'm lucky enough to already like the flowchart of Medea moros and Persephone, but what are the runner ups in terms of speedrunning any fear in case I become done with them due to spamming

[lean yoke]

They can be very useful

[rugged moon]

Very

[signal coral]

For specific builds Hermes is very good

In general hes solid with the potential to high roll

[rugged moon]

Success Rate with some of the various chance boons is amazing. An early travel deal can give you an extra like 6+ boons over a run. Winners circle is dependent on build but some builds it massively multiplies damage potential

Some are duds but almost nothing is useless

Hasty retreat is just a generally great boon

[fallow oracle]

Attack speed go brrrr

Omega move speed on the axe is a must imo

[barren badger]

i mostly just do zoning with axe so AS doesnt matter

[past mist]

ooh, boated made a guide video on the first two underworld rivals fights, and is gonna do the rest of them too. neat! just the kind of thing i was looking for

[cosmic steppe]

So, what do people consider a good any fear unseeded Speedrun weapon besides Medea Persephone and Moros

[barren badger]

im a fan of antler glass cannon

[fallow oracle]

Find myself charging attacks way more often than I need to so maybe just fits my playstyle/habits.. but works

[barren badger]

depends which axe form. charron is basically a mop to just special aoe all the way through

[junior dome]

for people running high heat, is rivals eris easy or hard once you get gud?

she just annoys me because some of her attack lines are hard to predict and she spends like 90% of the fight invulnerable or off screen, but i can't tell if she's actually unfair or i'm just raging

im running on frenzy 1 by default

[weary ledge]

I haven't been running too high fear but Eris is to me one of the easier rivals fights. With higher Frenzy she can be a bit hard to dodge but I haven't struggled with her yet

[junior dome]

thanks, guess i'll just git gud

[obtuse roost]

she can be easier than her not rival version at times

[fallow oracle]

Been using scythe.. heard Charron is a beast tho

[obtuse roost]

but sometimes you can also get a bad situation with her bombs and they hurt

[calm maple]

Are there any resources that document how different boons scale with poms?

[fallow oracle]

Best way to get divinity and the queen w/ cards? There like a meta set-up?

[turbid crescent]

Do I need to even upgrade aspect of circe for it to be good? I don't think it's the leash thats important right?

And whats a good build for it?

[ionic stag]

You can check in traitdata for specific boon if really desperate to know.

[strong mesa]

hestia/zeus cast

[turbid crescent]

welp, I got zeus

And boy am I loving it

I think I found the next weapon Im gonna obsess over after daggers

[obtuse roost]

Casts are fun, so much better than h1

[steep galleon]

The leash is good especially with raki, get air quality from zeus to improve dmg

[warm latch]

I honestly don't like Zeus at all really, like the delay on his shock really sucks, his chain lightning that bounces is arguably his best ability, but honestly I would rather have aphroditite/poseiden or even appollo who makes ur attacks hits harder and larger in most cases

[flint widget]

i think u aren't proccing blitz properly

[steep galleon]

The consensus on Zeus is that he is one of if not the best god, blitz does stupid damage

[flint widget]

cuz blitz is op for bossing

[obtuse roost]

What's the proper way?

I like blitz but idk if I'm using it in any special way

[warm latch]

And late game || Hera || is a beast as she makes a % of dmg on 1 target just auto spread to nearby targets and at epic its 80%

[turbid crescent]

I like blitz on special if im using daggers

(which is every single time) but yeah, find ways to increase its damage

[obtuse roost]

Ye i love it on any secondary attack

Is that the way checkmate meant?

[turbid crescent]

probably

[flint widget]

you attack or special to get the blitz and then you just use the other buttons to get the damage to 120 to proc blitz and repeat, idk im bad at explaining

[turbid crescent]

It's kinda like heph tbh

Also, some boons make it pop instantly yk

[flint widget]

yeah like arc flash

[obtuse roost]

Yeah ok, that's what I've been doing

[turbid crescent]

or that poseidon duo? I think?

[flint widget]

that just increases lightning damage

[turbid crescent]

still worth it

Man I love heph attack and aphro special

[flint widget]

like blitz is legit the best status effect for damage and bossing

[turbid crescent]

hot take but I think hestia has the best cast

[obtuse roost]

My fav thing in h2 is how they made gods more universally useful rather than just going aphro every game for high dmg boost or zeus/pos for multi proc weapons

[flint widget]

true

except ares

i only take him either for greivous blow, heinous affront for speedruns, or blood spree and mutual destruction

[warm latch]

One of the weirdest combos I got by accident today that was doing 1600 per hit by the time I got to eris was I was using the axe ( normal axe upgraded to 4, so +40 base att and hp) then I got appollo increased attacked dmg and size, and then I got the hammer upgrade that made my last swing hit twice and then some other upgrades I can't remeber

[flint widget]

they did my boy so dirty

[obtuse roost]

Ares is weird yeah

[warm latch]

Very hard to use thu, I died on eris

[obtuse roost]

I mostly use him for falling blades and such, very tertiary effects that don't take the place of others

But wound can be fun on big aoes

[flint widget]

axe is just psychic whirlwind the weapon

just like how blades is trick knives the weapon

[steep galleon]

Ares is great supplementary damage on whatever attack you use less, you have 1/2 origination and open up the tree for grievous blow

[turbid crescent]

By that logic staff is just dual moonshot

[flint widget]

well not really

[warm latch]

Whirlwind axe is just soo much better I agree and I want to upgrade that, but I had like like 25 silver and bronze sitting around so I upgraded normal axe for the hell of it

[steep galleon]

I only use o attack on Nergal

[flint widget]

staff is good without dual moonshot

[flint widget]

thanatos can also use psychic as well

[flint widget]

like it's only big contender is mirrored thrasher

[steep galleon]

Yeah but I don't care for his gimmick really

[obtuse roost]

I think axe is generally my most consistent weapon

Have barely used charon though, do you always go after ranged casts on that?

[steep galleon]

Nergal has really fast channeling so spinning is a viable strat with that aspect

[obtuse roost]

Still to unlock nergal, its requirements are very annoying

[tardy mural]

any tips for quick tartarus
twice in a row now i was on pace for a huge 20s record and then i get to tartarus and its 3 straight rooms of nothing but those floating skulls spread over a huge map and its like okay gg guess i gotta spend 1 min just walking around this place

is rousing just hard required

im playing morrigan blades rn

[warm latch]

Well im not trying for 20 second runs yet, but just me thinking about it... it might screw u at chronos but get hammer that makes ur special bounce, the Zeus chain lightning, maybe poseiden stuff, stack special dmg and u can do 1-2k aoe dmg on a quick uncharged throw ( so like twice a second)

[tardy mural]

hahaha just a record by 20s not 20s run XD, im just at 7:40 rn

thats smart though bouncing stuff would probably be sweet

[warm latch]

Well I mean 20 sec encounters I figured that's what u meant to

[tardy mural]

i wish those rooms took me 20s its just miserable chasing those skulls around

[brazen wasp]

whats the best cast for circe

[surreal hazel]

mate, mate, mate, seems like all you do is "what is best X for weapon Y" and I just wanna tell you to play the game and experiment, don't ruin the fun by faffing around with the meta or playing for specific "builds"

make what the game serves work for you, see what happens

[brazen wasp]

fair enough

[quasi gale]

anything works really, besides poseidon i think bc the double hit with cast doesnt work on him

[rain hazel]

How does ares strike work with ||Anubis||? I'm only doing 30 DMG but it says strike +50 when wounded?

[warm latch]

I kinda agree, I've had some God runs on accident and then tried to force replicate them, usually ends up going worse, I usally also put on poseidon boon thu unless I'm using axe, because between the resources and dmg I find poseidon is great

[patent locust]

How do i unlock shiva coat and morrigan dagger ??

[glass bone]

Have you unlocked any of the other hidden aspects?

[patent locust]

Yes ive unlocked some

[surreal hazel]

Wrong way around

[glass bone]

Then you need to follow the formula of the rest. The people you need to talk to are Selene for Coat, and Artemis for Blades

[surreal hazel]

If wounding strike hits an enemy without wounds, it has +50 power and inflicts wounds

[patent locust]

Ooooh OK ty

[surreal hazel]

basically "wounds" is like a cooldown between getting bonus power on that particular enemy

[glass bone]

^ This, and also if it’s not clear, Wounds has a unique cooldown on every enemy. So you can apply Wounds on multiple enemies, but they have different timings for when Wounds can be applied again

[rain hazel]

So it's only 1 strike +50 until the next wound?

[surreal hazel]

basically ares wants you hitting lots of different enemies

[glass bone]

This is unlike Blasts, where the Blast boon is the cooldown, and enemies in the Blast Attack AoE instance all take the Blast damage

[surreal hazel]

yeah, but every hit you do has the +% damage that the boon also gives you

with anubis you can be wounding every enemy in the radius, giving +50 power hits to all of them

making it honestly a decent choice

[obtuse roost]

I wish ares mana gian didn't suck

[surreal hazel]

it's okay

[obtuse roost]

I feel like plasma missed the mark in general, i don't really feel it

[surreal hazel]

and once you get supplimental boons, it's more than enough

[spiral wadi]

plasma is indeed ass without the legendary

the gain is serviceable but still very ass

[surreal hazel]

problem really is that Ares is trying to do 3 things with no real crossover except for Profuse Bleeding

[spiral wadi]

tru

[surreal hazel]

it's not like say, zeus, who also does 3 things, but like, double strike applies to two of them and chain lightning doesn't even need a core slot

[obtuse roost]

I don't really mind that cuz many of his effects are bad so i can get away with using him for secondary stuff

Like falling blades mostly

[glass bone]

I’ve said this in other message chains, but… Plasma has 1 use case imo over other gains, and that’s the movement speed. There’s a reason so many players take Blinding Rush at high fear, and on a semi-magickless aspect, Grisly Gain can actually be a big deal for clearing Fields, Rival Cerberus, and Rival Chronos

But even then, the aspect has to be a bit fast hitting to get enough movement speed.

[rain hazel]

Hm, alright, honestly not sure how I feel about Anubis yet.

[glass bone]

Anubis is really strong; what you need is Scorch or Waves Attack, and a % Special boon.

[rain hazel]

Just feels like I'm pulling enemies in to hit me.

[glass bone]

Attack -> Cast -> Special (ideally OSpecial).

[surreal hazel]

you get used to it, sometimes you just gotta let the attack field do the work and then busy yourself with your sprint boon or something

[obtuse roost]

What are you looking for on morrigan?

[rain hazel]

Feel like cast would help if my special wasn't pulling them out of my attack

[surreal hazel]

You can try to go for triads easily, buuuuut

[obtuse roost]

Feels like an aspect that just works with no special synergies

[surreal hazel]

if you get handed Final Slice and Nova strike, just use that and win by pressing attack

Final Slice is disgusting with Morrigan

[obtuse roost]

Makes sense, haven't gotten that yet

[ripe wadi]

are percentage based attacks better for moros torch attacks? I usually do that but im lookin at builds online and they use hestia and stuff (i usually run zeus special)

[obtuse roost]

Though i hate the blades omega attack, even with nova strike

[surreal hazel]

+300% damage for the second attack in your chain which has a base damage of 33x3 and is already big

[surreal hazel]

Zeus is absolutely fine for moros. Hera is super strong too

[ripe wadi]

Thanks! gotcha

[surreal hazel]

Torch Ospecial spreads curses like the plague so a lot of stuff works

[ripe wadi]

ohh cuz theres that one arcana card that deals more with multiple curses

so stack blitz and hera attack 0_0

[austere trail]

I try and use origination with everything

[obtuse roost]

That is like the most important arcana in the game i dare say

[surreal hazel]

That should basically be stapled to your arcana grid unless you have a very good reason not to use it

[ripe wadi]

I havent been using it 💀

I will do that now

[surreal hazel]

most global damage bonuses are "balanced" around being like, +20%

[wet grove]

at max rank it's +50% damage dealt, with Circe random rank up it's +68% damage dealt

[surreal hazel]

Origination strolls in like a chad with +50%

Torches have an easy time spreading curses too

[wet grove]

spreading curses on most weapons is easy, glamour gain is always a pick if the weapon isn't good at it

[surreal hazel]

oh yeah, this is a relative thing

mel axe has a harder time of it then Supay

[wet grove]

ofc

[vital ledge]

I like how fast the difficulty ramps up past 32. just did a 36 which only added denial, debt2 and scars1 and I was never this weak before. scared to die to cerby as the fight took forever.
can only get better from here right

[obtuse roost]

I'm so thankful for what cerb is after the hell that is rival scylla

[spiral wadi]

yea denial is a huge gameplay shift, once u get used to it it'll start to feel more free

[surreal hazel]

Scylla? More like Skill-gate...a

Skilla

[spiral wadi]

also why boatman is meta, the 300 gold helps alleviate the debt problem

[obtuse roost]

Literally make me fight two cerbs over scylla

[brazen wasp]

i assume persephone mostly uses special?

[vital ledge]

that could be another reason. didn't have boatman this run as I wanted to try lovers and the chronos card again. (was on momus)

[surreal hazel]

whatever gives olympian damage, and uses massive boon levels to do blitz, blasts, cast damage, it's adaptable

[warm latch]

Boatman is meta for the buffs and every time you spend 1000 gold you get a card, early on those cards are for resources and later those card are used to upgrade weapons later on the game

[surreal hazel]

that's not "meta", if we're talking high fear then we're assuming you've maxed all of that out

[spiral wadi]

i think i have like 800 loyalty cards rn that will never be used

[warm latch]

Oh well u played a lot more than me hah hahaha

[surreal hazel]

yeah, getting everything maxed is the start of the extreme fear level grind

[obtuse roost]

Did you guys carry on your saves since before 1.0?

[surreal hazel]

after those elusive 67 Fear victories

[surreal hazel]

I did

[vital ledge]

I started a new one and use the cards on psyche to get more kudos

[obtuse roost]

I guess you can do that

[wet grove]

either

the unique Ospecial is good but if you get hammers and boons for attacks it's still strong

[tall notch]

Yes, I'm attached to my EA save 🥺

[rain hazel]

I haven't played in a bit, do only the non-olympian aspects have special hammer variants?

[wet grove]

yes

[viral yew]

Yes

[past mist]

restarted for 1.0

had over a thousand nights on old save

[wet grove]

or specifically only hidden aspects have unique hammers

[viral yew]

I could never, i'm not doing all the metaprogression again

[past mist]

it didn't take that long

finished the game in like 150 nights i think? all achievements and stuff

[vital ledge]

it's actually fun to see how weak you are before upgrading arcana and without pets/weapon aspects. feels like a completely different game

[wet grove]

I restarted for 1.0, EA save I had 70 nights and was halfway done with nights champion 3 (32 down left to win)

[empty moat]

chat does anyone got some juicy shiva builds ? i want the big numbers on my screen

[wet grove]

this except it's 100% just the blessed by strife bs that caused it

[past mist]

it was kinda fun to see how far i could go against strife

[obtuse roost]

I followed along and reset on h1 but with h2 i just played the first ea releases and then took a break to start fresh on release. I imagine it feels very half baked if you have already completed half the game before the ending is implemented

[past mist]

managed to beat chronos before eris got bored

[obtuse roost]

the pacing would be all over the place

[wet grove]

I won at least once with strife blessing given at start of Fields

[vital ledge]

not only that, nothing dies as the damage is really low.
won on the 4th night on this file with 80% eris "blessing"

[viral yew]

Probably the root of all the story discourse

[past mist]

not quite sure how eris works in terms of when she shows up. had one run where she showed up in tartarus, then next run she showed up in fields

[wet grove]

nah

[obtuse roost]

Idk, i can definitely see how some people wouldn't like the ending anyway

[past mist]

as someone who did reset, nah

[formal pulsar]

Really wish they would change excellence or unseen to 4 grasp. Fates whim really want another good 4 grasp card

[wet grove]

the story is bricked without the faulty pacing of having played before 1.0, new save or not

[wet grove]

it is completely fine to be at 26/27 grasp btw

[obtuse roost]

I don't mind it too much, there are no good ways to resolve things when time stuff is involved tbh so it was a bit doomed from the start, they did as well as they could

[past mist]

anyway, #h2-story-discussion is that way, i guess

[wet grove]

we love franchises with one game that did time travel and royally ruined any semblence of story quality with it

but yeah anyway

[formal pulsar]

Sure but the game lacks 4 grasp cards. There are 3. Two are kinda mutually exclusive (death and strength) and only 1 more champion. Excellence and unseen are very niche and don’t see play even with whims fates. I don’t see why not buff so they see SOME play.

[vital ledge]

time travel can be silly. the only thing that made no sense to me was:
||zag puts the spear in his chamber, okay changing the past does influence the present.
then zag talks to chronos and it does not change the present as chronos still was a bad guy?
except when it does for only zag and chronos as only they remember this stuff.
shouldn't hades remember this stuff too? mel? I didn't get it. time travel makes no sense heh.||

[wet grove]

I use unseen like all the time

[wet grove]

dawg still not story discuss channel

[vital ledge]

then don't start it

[past mist]

cur didn't start it

[wet grove]

there's a difference between a message or two off topic and writing up a whole list of talking points

[past mist]

and the main thing is posting after people have already noted it's the wrong channel. anyway!

[past mist]

why though?

[viral yew]

Can't even mention the story without this happening mb gang

[wet grove]

either way I'm not a mod so it's not even my problem

[wet grove]

nah ur fine

[past mist]

[vital ledge]

smh, back ingame

[wet grove]

havent practiced enough playing without it. Should and will at some point. it's a crutch and skill issue on my end

[obtuse roost]

I don't understand why it's 5 cost

[past mist]

can you walk me through where you need it? are you just not picking up a gain in erebus, or are you using it to not have to run hecuba on omega move weapons?

[wet grove]

no I just haven't bothered to try playing with it off, and when I do I get caught off guard and make poor plays of either using too much magick too soon or losing to not having the damage I usually do with it

[obtuse roost]

Tbf sometimes gain can elude you but you will get it eventually

[past mist]

huh fair enough

[glass bone]

Unseen’s use imo are on a select few aspects in high fear runs where you’d otherwise not need some other cost of 5. So… Eos, or Persephone, and possibly the Psychic Whirlwind Axes.

[wet grove]

like I said, it's a habit thing

if I play enough with it off I'll figure it out

[glass bone]

But Unseen is absolutely not worth it on a majority of aspects imo, unless you take Fates Whim / no rerolls

[wet grove]

I do take fat whims often yes

[past mist]

wait you actually take unseen on those?

[glass bone]

Although that’s for a high fear perspective, and there’s probably more of a use case on more aspects in Any%

[glass bone]

It’s an option, sure. I mean, Eos would use like… 15-40 magick every 4-5 seconds. That can absolutely be funded by Unseen

[viral yew]

Love me a fat whim

[past mist]

true, although it can be funded by half the gains in the game too

[glass bone]

Otherwise you may be spending the 300 gold or an artificer reroll for a gain boon

Surface it’s a little more questionable though, because there you can take Excellence or Boatman instead and still get the gain

But for UW, yeah. I can definitely see Unseen 62 Fear on some aspects

[rain hazel]

Does "Extended family" include non-gods also?

[viral yew]

No

[glass bone]

I don’t think so, no

[rain hazel]

Oh, literally says it, my b

[past mist]

i guess 2xwards and hordes does mean that starting magick isn't enough to clear erebus rooms, although until they are on the 70 starting magick is usually enough until hecate

[past mist]

it includes olympian gods specifically. everyone listed in the book as olympian

which means artemis, hermes, athena, and dionysus counts

[brazen wasp]

after going all the way to typhon a few times, 0 fear still, is it just my perception or do the bosses on the surface(mainly eris and prom( have way more health than their underworld counterparts

[glass bone]

Well the main problem isn’t the wards and hordes imo. It’s Forfeit and Hubris.

[past mist]

correct

not just your perception, surface has higher health pools

[glass bone]

Yes, that’s how Surface is designed. You are able to get a stronger build and a build faster than UW. But the enemies are stronger because of that

[viral yew]

Ephyra my beloved

[lean crypt]

does "casts do increased damage" from chaos include cast boons?

[past mist]

depends which you mean. it does not effect scorch damage. and i am unsure about froth

[brazen wasp]

lemme tell you i am doing something wrong bexause my builds have been doodoo, ephyra usually has bad doors and the ship barely provides boons

[lean crypt]

zeus cast in this case

[past mist]

it should work for that i believe

[glass bone]

How many runs have you reached Typhon, or alternatively, how many Surface runs have you done?

Because it may be the build, or… it may be you need to practice the bosses or enemies more.

[viral yew]

Normally I have a duo coming out of ephyra

[past mist]

prom is a damn scary gatekeeper at times admittedly

[brazen wasp]

around 5 done fully 2 beat typhon, never had a duo coming out of ephyra,

i feel like i get way way more boons in uw

[empty moat]

how do people start at 150 mana ?

[viral yew]

Ephyra gives alot more boons first region than erebus

[past mist]

hecuba

[viral yew]

Hecuba

[steep galleon]

Persistence + Hecuba

[obtuse roost]

Aka best pet

[glass bone]

At 0 Fear, you get at-least 8 major rewards out of Ephyra, possibly more depending on the shop. I can’t recall a time when I got 8 major rewards out of Erebus, outside of maybe buying 4 boons via Travel Deal.

Like okay, I guess in Erebus… there’s 1 boon at the start, a second probably in C3 or C4, the miniboss, a chance for a Family Dispute, and two shops. That is super unlikely though to get all that, whereas Ephyra gets a close peak consistently

[wet grove]

ephyra can have family dispute?

nevermind edit

[glass bone]

Sorry, I mean Erebus family dispute

[brazen wasp]

so how should i even play ephyra, should i roll doors, focus on duos or what, i get a lot of mana, a lot of hearts, always a hermes

[past mist]

even this comparison isn't fully fair to surface because the double-health-and-magick rooms are essentially 2 major reward rooms from underworld

[steep galleon]

I scrap together a build based on what is offered usually

[wet grove]

my usual ephyra is to take daedalus unless I got that in the pre-city rooms, then take 1x hermes to get quick buck/travel deal, talk to medea, and finish with the major health if there is one. Rest on god boons

[glass bone]

You can save like 2-4 rerolls for doors, and most of the rest for the boons themselves, because the build should be near completion out of Ephyra. But that mindset is for Any% and High Fear

[wet grove]

aka usually two to three non-hermes boons, a daedalus, a hermes, and a health

[past mist]

if you're on rerolls it can be worth rerolling for your primary boon (attack or special for most weapons). for most weapons that probably means hera or something, but whatever you know works well on your weapon. then scrap together based on what is there. and honestly, duos aren't really that helpful with a few exceptions so they should only be aimed for if you are going for a specific powerful thing

[steep galleon]

Hammer, hermes, medea I always take if offered, then the rest would be boons and maybe one magic or hp room

[past mist]

i frequently end up taking the double health room - and i take it last to increase the chance i see artemis

[viral yew]

I take double health, medea, hammer, and then 3-4 boons depending on medea

[glass bone]

Like okay. In my pre-1.0 51 Fear Surface clear, I used a total of 4 rerolls, and received an Attack, Special, Cast, hammer, and Duo boon, along with another in the shop. Of course that is with some resets, but I think that’s balanced out because high fear has Onion and Debt, meaning less boons, compared to a non-maxed save file run.

[past mist]

i think the only reason i still take medea is prepping for timer 3, because she's mostly not worth it

[steep galleon]

With hecuba a magic room is less priority

[obtuse roost]

She is too cool to skip

[empty moat]

whats the best gain boons for shiva ?

[past mist]

she is but why is her and circe's boons so bad

[stable herald]

I take Medea first on the offchance I get Traces of Spirit to maximise, but speedrunners take her room last because each room has slightly more spawns so you want free rooms late

[brazen wasp]

im running circe recently and hammer on circe seems like a waste, also doing omegas on surface(casts feels punishing because all the bosses constantly move)

[obtuse roost]

I'd say medea boons are much better than circe's

[steep galleon]

Oh wow I didn't know that

[glass bone]

Flood Gain or Born Gain. You need to take some max magick stuff if you have Hubris on and Born Gain. Flood Gain just needs you to not prime yourself out of the Omega combo.

[past mist]

fair, she has some slow-paced stuff that helps over the course of the run. the slowly increasing magick one is the one i take by far the most

[stable herald]

Traces of Spirit, Corrosion on Sight, and Harm for the Afflicted are great. The rest are butts

I love most of Circe's blessings tho

[steep galleon]

Medea has pretty good stuff, halved armor, slower projectiles etc. always worth picking her

[glass bone]

The rest either are inconsistent (I.e Ionic Gain), or don’t work with the playstyle of Shiva (e.g. Cardio Gain)

[past mist]

those are on my list of things i don't even fully acknowledge as helpful tbh

[obtuse roost]

I feel like slow projectiles make me get hit more but i have no proof

[past mist]

the stuff i actually like from her is the magick, the gold, and.. i take the curse if i see neither of those. the armor stuff would be neater if it was a lower chance but stripped the armor entirely

[glass bone]

Traces of Spirit can be worth a Silver Wheel though if you take it early

[stable herald]

I don't like slower projectiles, messes up the timing

Get those orbs off my screen asap imo

[obtuse roost]

Especially the spear throwers in the rift

[past mist]

yeah traces of spirit is by far the boon i've taken most from her

take it almost every time i see it

[stable herald]

Traces of Spirit is amazing, I love not having to worry about magick for the rest of the run

[past mist]

yeah

[obtuse roost]

The gold one is underrated too, it has a big impact

[past mist]

similarly, the 10% dodge + 10% speed from circe is good

[brazen wasp]

any suggestions

[past mist]

and nothing else she has is

[past mist]

yeah i've started picking that one a bit more too. it's not nothing

[glass bone]

Don’t use OCasts if it doesn’t work for you. Also play the game a bit more

[lean crypt]

speaking of medea, does the curse+damage work with each different curse you apply or is it basically once per enemy?

[past mist]

if you're struggling to get value out of O cast, try getting the hermes boon that makes cast go off faster

[brazen wasp]

i mostly struggle to get value with eris tho

[past mist]

or the ares o cast thing, that one's pretty good at getting value until the thing actually explodes

[brazen wasp]

she just flies around like hell

[past mist]

psychic lease does good damage, just get behind her at all times and burn her with that

'just get behind her at all times' is how to deal with both versions of eris

[dire shell]

Woah. ||Anubis|| is super fun but I have no idea what’s going on

[obtuse roost]

Leash is so small, i struggle to make it tick consistently outside of cerb

[past mist]

it can be a pain yeah, but is worth positioning a bit for if you can

[obtuse roost]

I'll try if i get the chance but if i try too much it can get me hit so it isn't worth

[past mist]

but yeah, get behind eris and do whatever damage you have. don't try to o-cast her unless you have something that makes o-cast pay off faster

[obtuse roost]

The double cast is more than enough to make the aspect good

[past mist]

hermes boon, ares o-cast boon, ares demeter duo, etc

[brazen wasp]

so with hestia cast i assume hitch is always good to take if i get it either on att or special. on circe

[warm latch]

I'm cooking with my mom, it's canadian Thanksgiving this weekend, it's 4 pm, been here since noon, so I'm actually a good son, guests are showing up soon, but I'm just catching up on chat... is 67 fear how many it takes to get true ending? That's super good to know cause not gonna lie I kinda cheated in some health for my first few runs but I since took that off, and I'm actually happy I didn't miss out on much

[viral yew]

Hitch is almost always good regardless

[brazen wasp]

nah u can get true ending with no fear iirc right

[viral yew]

You don't even need 32 for true ending, if that's what you're asking

[past mist]

yeah there's essentially no run on any weapon where 'what if i had hitch on this' isn't just good

[warm latch]

Well im basically still on fear 1-2 on all weapons

[viral yew]

I think so yeah

[past mist]

don't you need some amount of fear for fates related stuff?

prom and heracles stuff

idk, thought i heard that

but i could misunderstand

[viral yew]

For 100% you need fear but for endings and whatnot you don't

[quasi gale]

is cryo pounder or epic grand caldera better?
unfortunately got both in my pool rn with vow of denial up

[viral yew]

That's fine if you don't want to play fear

[past mist]

grand caldera just does more, right?

[spiral wadi]

personally i'd say grand caldera just cuz it's more uptime than 2sec freeze

[quasi gale]

ight, just asking bc was wondering which is better flat or percentage increases

[past mist]

hmm, okay yeah unless you have like an epic or heroic thing extending your freeze duration, grand caldera will do more for you

because it only counts during the time the enemy is actually frozen

which is 2 seconds by default

[quasi gale]

ohhh

ight bet

[dire shell]

What the heck does upgraded ||Anubis|| do? Omegas are faster?

Oh I get it nevermind

[viral yew]

Lone shades are kinda bad

[calm maple]

On first look, this seems to give the scaling effects of rarity (which I can already find on the wiki), but not pom levels. Am I missing something?

[ionic stag]

I currently do not have access to my pc, but its something called absolutestackvalue iirc

[rare crypt]

what are the exact requirements for the hidden aspects?

[viral yew]

Maxxed non mel aspect, all aspects unlocked

And talk to the right npc enough

[dawn niche]

I dont know if this has been said before, but you can purge the Hera boon that makes one of your other belessings heroic (I think it was bridal glow) without the rarified blessing downgrading. Free money lol

[vital ledge]

works with poseidon/hera duo too. pretty nice to get it multiple times and some extra cash

[versed marlin]

Has anyone beaten surface without the incantation that lets you survive up there?

[wet grove]

Likely impossible due to the per tick damage scaling up each tick

[viral yew]

It's not possible

[rare crypt]

maxed non-mel aspect for the specific weapon I want the hidden aspect for or for all weapons before I start getting hidden aspects?

[versed marlin]

It might be if you're really really fast and get as much max life as possible

[viral yew]

For the weapon you want, obv you'll have to do all the weapons but one at a time is best

[versed marlin]

Someone's gotta try this

[viral yew]

People have, it's not possible

Furthest they've gotten is 2-3 rooms into erebus iirc

[versed marlin]

Uggggh, ok

[versed marlin]

Erebus?

[viral yew]

Sorry, ephyra

[vital ledge]

I wonder if you could even get out of ephyra need to lose your DDs to an enemy just before you die to the curse

[versed marlin]

Ok

[versed marlin]

Wait, it just kills you immediately even if you have death defiances?

Thats pretty lame

[rare brook]

What do I need to unlock giving ambrotia to chaos?

[warm latch]

The number won't reset after death def so if it was doing 30 dmg a tick it stays at 30 dmg a tick so pretty fast.

[patent locust]

How to get shiva and morrigan ??

[versed marlin]

#h2-for-new-players

[patent locust]

Im not new 😾

[versed marlin]

That channel fits more than this one

[patent locust]

I beat typhon multiple times 😒

[rare brook]

Upgrade coat and daggers aspect DIFFERENT than Melone to rank 5

[patent locust]

But i want to make build with those

[rare crypt]

by all aspects unlocked do u mean leveled up at least once?

[rare brook]

And make sure other aspects are unlocked

[patent locust]

Ok ty bro

Thats why it didnt work

Different than melinoe

💔

[versed marlin]

This channel is for asking about the builds specifically.

Not for how to get aspects, even if you use aspects for certain builds.

[patent locust]

First step of the build is to have the weapon

Second step is the boons and keepsakes

Ngl should i max artemis or pan first ?

[rare brook]

Do I need to finish two greater random runs or it's just finishing more than half available chaos trials?

[vital ledge]

up to you. both are fine depending on your playstyle. if you like to spam specials, pan.

[patent locust]

What is artemis good for ? It doesnt seem that fun ngl

[versed marlin]

Oh my god, again, this channel is not for asking where to find aspects.

[vital ledge]

big crits with omega attack 🙂

[patent locust]

Ok ty

Imma try pan

[wet grove]

artemis allows you to hit huge number with Oattack and also play around blocking an incoming attack every now and then

[fluid flare]

Can i use athenas keepsake together with the new keepsakes?

[patent locust]

Not that deep

[wet grove]

no

[versed marlin]

You could have also just gone to #h2-discussion

[viral yew]

Nope, just have to have them unlocked, they can be lvl 1

[fluid flare]

That sucks

[wet grove]

and you could have not complained

[viral yew]

What are we even fighting about

[wet grove]

nothing burger with fantasy sauce

[viral yew]

Delicious

[wet grove]

anyway

[versed marlin]

Well I did because I wanted to. What are you trying to say here? I don't understand this.

[viral yew]

I bought some absolutely banging peach rings, peak morning rn

[wet grove]

that your complaints about him asking about it in here take up more space than him asking and someone answering does combined

[patent locust]

Just say you dont like shivas aspect

[wet grove]

and if your goal is to have him not ask in here then answering him correctly solves the entire problem way faster than telling him to go away does

[viral yew]

gasp

[versed marlin]

What??? I haven't gotten it yet, but it looks cool as hell. How did you manage to come to this conclusion?

[ionic stag]

okay so now this channel is about how to unlock aspects, what about we change the name of it and maybe make a new channel called "builds and combat"?

[patent locust]

You didnt want me to know how to get it 😿

[versed marlin]

But if I don't tell them to do it at a different channel , he'll do it again and again and again.

[versed marlin]

No, i'm just saying there are better channels to ask that question in.

[patent locust]

Aspect is an important part of a build tho

[wet grove]

except he wont because you already answered him

[patent locust]

Real

I now know how to get every aspects thanks to the guy that answered

[wet grove]

and if he does ask again, its likely past your bedtime and you're asleep until its time to wake up for school tomorrow

[versed marlin]

But there are still better channels to ask the question

[patent locust]

Okay

Its not that deep

[vital ledge]

don't argue with the discord police. there are more fun ways to kill time (get it?) 😛

[patent locust]

One guy came answered and left

[versed marlin]

If it was asking how the aspect works, then it would make sense, but you're asking how to unlock it.

[ionic stag]

buying the game is also a crucial step to make a build, i dont see pricing being discussed here

[wet grove]

"complaining about the question was a lot more important than the fact that I caused a bigger issue than there was in the first place" episode 28576, discord special edition

[young kayak]

has anyone gotten a legendary ares + legendary poseidon game yet? i've been trying to get it on coat with no luck :p

[patent locust]

At least answer and tell me its not an appropriate channel

[wet grove]

getting even one legendary is a chore and gamble so doubt it

[viral yew]

me totally not leaving ephyra with pos legendary 5m ago

[young kayak]

im running the legendary card to boost my chances with it :p

[wet grove]

okay then go get ares one xd

[viral yew]

Shan't

[young kayak]

becouse the ares legendary with max plasma actually goes crazy on black cloak

[wet grove]

its not the % chance thats the issue its the fact that legendary boon requires getting 3 specific different boons from that same god beforehand

[young kayak]

the ares one is very easy, he has a lot of options for the 3 boons

[wet grove]

so you need to land 4 identical god drops and have them give you the different prerequisites

fair

ive gotten poseidon and zeus legs a few times but the others not really

[young kayak]

yeah you have 4/3/5 options per requirement

[patent locust]

On mel dagger what build do you guys recommend ?

[wet grove]

aphro attack, aphro gain, and cast/special with another curse to proc origination

[ionic stag]

and ares itself has like 3 different paths so most times even if you get the legendary you still dont have your build running

[dawn niche]

Poseidon attack, ares special, and if you can get it hestia cast and gain plus the duo between poseidon and ares

[young kayak]

poseidon attack is also very decent if combined with ares into the duo

genuinly one of my favorite builds aswell

[wet grove]

it is but mel dagger upgrade is backstab % which means aphro % combines nicely, but yes onhits work very well too

[patent locust]

I should get the apollon thing where i do more damages when i am behind the enemy right ?

[signal coral]

Imo mel dagger is strongest with zeus start

[wet grove]

ideally yes

[signal coral]

But this is mostly because zeus is broken

[wet grove]

thats because zeus not because mel dagger, yeus

[ionic stag]

backstabs are additive so its nice to have but not really needed

[signal coral]

Poseidon synergizes better with the weapon but now youre starting poseidon and not zeus

[patent locust]

So many gods

[signal coral]

Tbh Zeus works pretty well on blades as well

[wet grove]

zeus works well period

just on anything and everything

[ionic stag]

zeus works well on my grandmother's walking cane

[dawn niche]

not really, the game pushes you to have 5 gods + hermes in most cases which is kinda the ideal number unless youre going for a legendary.

[patent locust]

So poseidon, zeus or aphrodite attacks ?

[wet grove]

indeed

[signal coral]

You can put anything on attack, poseidon is best

Blades are flexible

[patent locust]

I find getting the things i want pretty hard tbh

[vital ledge]

question about supay: is the omega attack any good? barely notice a difference using it compared to omega special + run in circles

[patent locust]

Ok ty and so ares special ?

[signal coral]

Any good duo

[ionic stag]

blades has a good attack speed and base damage, so both percentage and flat damage work well. The problem with blades is not really the dmg tbh.

[signal coral]

Can take ares for ares poseidon duo

[viral yew]

Yes

[signal coral]

Can take Zeus for Zeus poseidon duo

The hestia poseidon duo is good too

[patent locust]

Hmmm

[signal coral]

Blades are flexible

[dawn niche]

if youre going for the duo yeah. If you want to play it safe you could introduce zeus or aphrodite for either blitz or weak bonus

[patent locust]

Imma look at the duos

What they do

[signal coral]

You dont have to see the best god pool ever just start with a core god and aim for a good duo and/or take stuff that seems good

Can also add in defensive gods (demeter heph) to any build and it will be good

[dawn niche]

ares + poseidon makes poseidons splash attacks appear twice, dont know about the zeus duo

[patent locust]

All the duos looks good ngl

[signal coral]

Zeus duo is lightning effects deal bonus damage to targets affected by froth

Which is quite good

Hestia duo also does a lot of damage

[ionic stag]

zeus has good dmg duos with alphrodite, poseidon, and hera

[signal coral]

Zeus has good duos with literally everyone besides apollo

Which is part of why Zeus is broken

[ionic stag]

the damage you get from one of those duos and zeus himself is enough for a run most of times

[patent locust]

I think imma try poseidon attack, ares special and get the duo and the apollon things that activate when im behind the enemy

I always use zeus i want to change a lil bit

[ionic stag]

if you see apollo zeus and ares, than try to aim for the zues ares duo with apollo's light mite

one of the most powerful builds that just works on every weapon

[surreal hazel]

And even that has some comedy potential

[signal coral]

Light smite is such a funky boon

You see the description and its like "oh it only affects nearby enemies"

Nowhere does it tell you that "nearby" secretly means "the entire screen"

[viral yew]

You take one hit at hecate and all the witches die

[uneven palm]

Heinous Light Smiting a whole room of skulls is such a pleasure

[surreal hazel]

Retaliation on Night Bloom with light smite is occasionally very silly

especially if your summon stands in some DoT effect

[calm arch]

i may be crazy but i picked up looming ignition and my omega attacks are exactly the same as before

no extra damage or blast size

(with nova strike)

[neat holly]

Hello! : )
Is "Launcher Frame" ("whenever your attack strikes foes, your special has chances to fire automatically") will trigger other special boons modifications? Like Phalanx Shot from Athena, for example? ^^'

[opaque owl]

Hey guys, I'm a new player who just started a few hours ago. What are the key things I should unlock quickly? I reached oceanus

[viral yew]

Arcana

[viral yew]

#h2-for-new-players is a better place

[tough vapor]

I thhink ive made anubis staff click in my head? or maybe apollo attack and the hammer that ups dmg and size just go well enough together to make the brain go brr

[viral yew]

apollo attack is buns on anubis

[tough vapor]

really? its feeling oretty solid, granted im not running any fear or anything, but its doing some halfway decent work, granted im in oceanis atm lol

[signal coral]

its big range but it doesnt do a ton of damage

and idk if I just need more reps or not but I find that anubis clears are relatively slow even with a good damage core

[stable herald]

You want something that adds flat damage like Hestia or Poseidon for Anubis attack

[edgy nacelle]

it's okay on the Ω attack, but the base damage of the regular attack isn't rly high enough to take advantage of it imo. anubis + double omega fields hammer with apollo is fun but not anywhere close to the strongest anubis build
fine at low to medium fear tho

[viral yew]

anything works on no fear

[tough vapor]

okay maybe ive realized why its feeling fine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1427052691292688485/image.png?ex=68ed75e2&is=68ec2462&hm=e220544205e76ad68212c5d606eb59c6acc88f9e4fc1bdbc1e8668f404e3a371&

[tough vapor]

youd be surprised, I manage to find a way to almost die on no fear all the time, and I run godmode lmao ((im bad at video games))

[viral yew]

I may just be too fear brainrotted

[tough vapor]

also likely possible lol

[tough vapor]

I just find dodging doesnt like to work in my brain, I probably could do fine without it, and ive gotten good enough that with like, than axe I dont take hits super often, so it barely even comes up lmao

[edgy nacelle]

also like... at low fear anything will work, and I really enjoy running % damage on Anubis for fun, but fr try it with Hestia or Poseidon attack one time and you'll realize those are a lot stronger
the base damage of anubis fields is 20 (or 25 with that hammer), and even at common rarity with no poms splash is 20 damage, so it's already basically a 100% bonus with zero investment. plus splash benefits from universal damage%

[signal coral]

as with every roguelike game, the most important form of metascaling is improving your knowledge

you think that the most important thing is getting more grasp to get that extra arcana card or whatever, but in reality knowing enemy patterns and how to dodge them is infinitely more overpowered

[past mist]

same for knowing good boon picks

sure you can get tons of boons, but you can also get just 4 boons that'll do more for you than 35 mid boons

[signal coral]

yeah I think for early runs I always treat it as a learning experience

it doesnt matter that I didn't win all that matters is that i feel like im making progress

and active learning is also a good thing to do early
just like you intentionally buy the extra ashes in the shop to metascale your character more
you should intentionally try and learn to metascale your knowledge

[past mist]

i think probably the most crucial piece of knowledge to realize in order to puzzle stuff out though, is which numbers are additive, and which are multiplicative?

[signal coral]

so instead of trying to mash and trade hp with the enemies, try to pay attention to what the attacks actually look like, see if there is any tells to their attacks and try to experiment how you want to dodge them

[past mist]

like, the most common mistake i've seen is people assuming %damage is multiplicative

[signal coral]

secret crush is multiplicative, dont @ me

[tough vapor]

apollo atk with than axe I swear could carry my ass to chronos

[past mist]

i mean.. yes, kinda? power is on the other side of % in the actual multiplicative stuff so.. yes! it is

[past mist]

it's definitely fine - but have you considered hera? :p

[viral yew]

me when maths (I like big number)

[signal coral]

a few patches ago I said here that secret crush and extra dose were both "multiplicative" boons and apparently that was super controversial

[edgy nacelle]

also as a comparison:
with no other buffs, epic apollo attack on anubis does 36 damage per tick
epic poseidon attack on anubis does 50 damage per tick (20 base + 30 splash)
ofc adding other bonuses like origination, huntress, daedalus hammers, and secret crush will change that, but. if numbers help. flat damage sources rly go crazy on anubis

[past mist]

.. actually hera might be more on high fear? since hordes means lots more enemies. apollo attack is great on than axe

[tough vapor]

are percent boosts additive or multiplicative? Iwas FIENDING after chaos atk boons, cause I thought it was multiplicitive and would send my dmg sky high

[past mist]

additive

[tough vapor]

damn, sad

[past mist]

for damage, anyway

[viral yew]

Hera feels needed for high fear on some weapons

[signal coral]

hitch is multiplicative damage that scales with enemy count :^)
which is why hera is so good on high fear

[past mist]

i think when it comes to the numbers, they always come together in the way you don't want, except flat numbers

[stable herald]

What isn't additive

+power is intuitive, or anything that multiplies your actual hits like Doublestrike

But what about Glow, is that like +25% to all your hits or the enemy taking 25% more damage from everything

[signal coral]

glow is global additive

most things that are +% are additive

[tough vapor]

hera allways felt meh to me cause like, its mostly a room clearing weapon, and why use hera for that when my apollo than axe ALLREADY clears rooms cause it does a few hundred dmg casually in erebus with a reach like an orangutan

[unreal gulch]

I thought Reckless Abandon only affects Attack, but it ~~nerfed ~~ affects the ||Shiva|| Black Coat's Omega Attack too? is that a bug or intended? from skelly testing it seemed like boosts to Attack only affected regular Attacks and boosts to Omega moves only affect Omega moves. rip this run

[signal coral]

its only crit and ares double damage that aren't additive

[signal coral]

reckless abandon is like the most garbage boon in existence

[past mist]

tough gain isn't additive i think frosty veneer might also not be. and they, plus power, is the only numbers i can think of that add up the way you want them to

[signal coral]

its so hard for it to be actually damage positive

[edgy nacelle]

afaik all +x% damage stuff is additive
crit and crit-like effects aren't, multihit effects, and so is +power
and pyro technique

[past mist]

DR adds up badly

which makes that 'weak potency' boon really weak most of the time

[signal coral]

it says "attacks"

plural = both regular and omega, if it just says "attack" it only affects regular attack

i think the devs could definitely make the distinction more clear

[tough vapor]

I am a SUCKER for strength arcana cause of that DR

[signal coral]

also you should never ever take reckless abandon that boon is hot garbage and will almost always tank your dps

[past mist]

yeah but strength + weak + weak potency adds up badly

[edgy nacelle]

you would have loved the era when strength reduced damage taken to armor too </3 pre-nerf strength...

[signal coral]

isnt it multiplicative?

[unreal gulch]

oh RIP. this and the artemis aspect Riposte text descriptions could use an update then

[past mist]

yes, but multiplicative is bad when numbers are below 100%

[viral yew]

Real

[edgy nacelle]

also I was dumb and only learned how good moros keepsake was like... 1 week before it no longer worked with strength
I wanted to experience the game blind for a while before looking at meta stuff :') sigh

[signal coral]

moros keepsake is still good!
(i run death)

[tough vapor]

cause say your taking 100 dmg, strength reduces it by 40% so you only take 60. but their weak, so 30% less, so only taking 42 dmg. BUT if it was additive, youd add the 40% resist and the 30% resist and only take 30 dmg

[edgy nacelle]

oh it’s still great! I always use it on death runs
I’m just sad I didn’t get to use it with strength more

[past salmon]

Crazy how Pin went from top 1 High fear keepsake to top 1 High fear keepsake

How will the high fear community recover from this nerf

[signal coral]

also on casual strength runs I used to take a DD keepsake anyways in tart

because at that point the only way I lose is being stupid and running into a time bubble when instakill happens

[edgy nacelle]

how will I personally recover from fomo tho but yeah it’s still absurdly good lol

[past mist]

by buffing medea again

[signal coral]

does anyone else think skull special should have i-frames? just me???

[past mist]

persephone agrees

[signal coral]

okay wait I do have a question

is it just me or is the tail miniboss giga terrible for medea skull?

[viral yew]

High fear players trying not to complain about balance (they're the 0.1% of the playerbase)

[signal coral]

i can still go fast but that boss has a ton of touch damage on random moves

so I just ram my face into it and end up facetanking a ton to kill it quickly

[past salmon]

What noooo
I love Tail
I love playing surface speed runs and having a 50/50 chance for the pace to die right at the very end

[past mist]

it does make it harder to button mash the tail but foolish is probably about to say it's ea- yeah that

oh wait, i predicted wrong

[past salmon]

Yeh no tail blows ass

[signal coral]

i mean the alternative is a boss that doesnt move and literally dies in like 5 seconds

because its hitbox cancels your special dash early and lets you do it again

[tough vapor]

I struggle to feel like I know what im doing with the skull, it just doesnt click in my brain, tips?

[past salmon]

Like just clearing it is like fine but hard and tedious
From a speedrun alternative it's just straight ass

[past mist]

aaah because you can't just dodge you have to wait out the attack?

[signal coral]

fire all your shells, press special to vacuum up nearby shells, repeat

[edgy nacelle]

which aspect? Hel, Medea, and the other 2 may as well be three different weapons imo. they play very differently

[past salmon]

It's literally like "do you do literal obscene damage and kill it in actually 1 second?" If yes-> good
If no-> everything sucks

[signal coral]

you can special through the enemy if they aren't attacking but since the special has no invincibility you shouldn't faceplant into an attack, can dash sideways to recover skulls if you cant hit the enemy with it safely

[tough vapor]

any and all lmao

[past mist]

btw, did something happen to mel and artemis knives since olympic patch? aside from typhon not being backstabble

i remember those aspects being generally well liked and decent for high fear

at least artemis

[signal coral]

they got buffed in 1.0 to do more damage

uh, artemis parry got changed I think?

idk i didnt play artemis that much

[past mist]

was just surprised to see boated list them as worst aspects

[brazen wasp]

is a heroic anvil ring worth it

[past mist]

yeah

[signal coral]

i think its some personal bias there

theres some blades enjoyers

[past mist]

fair. mel blades not being able to backstab typhon is ridiculously sad, but

[signal coral]

also trick knives blades is actually S tier

[past mist]

artemis being D tier just feels weird

[signal coral]

you can backstab with special

[past mist]

at least from my olympic experience

[signal coral]

and there are some weird and hella inconsistent setups that can backstab with attack

but its probably a bug

[tough vapor]

god if apollo is considered bad, I REALLY gotta look into those options cause it was like, a single omega attack to take out roxie on 0 fear lmao

[past mist]

anubis with poseidon was gamechanging tbh

when i tried it. i tried with apollo first too because it's what i got and it felt bad at 32f

[signal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1425470285208879154/Hades_II_-_2025-10-08_9-09-16_AM.mp4?ex=68ecfa27&is=68eba8a7&hm=561640f950f8d85e6ec0bbeef7911e513923718db804e75284716d6018dc7a85&

[slate zodiac]

To be clear, Apollo is good, just not on Anubis

[signal coral]

thats a clip of mel knives attack backstabbing typhon

[past mist]

backstab that chin

[signal coral]

its probably a bug but it works very inconsistently

[slate zodiac]

Ohhh, duly noted. I've been figuring out how to do that consistently

[past mist]

i've seen backstab numbers on typhon when he leans forward too, it's probably not a bug as such. but yeah

[tough vapor]

cant you like, get effectively ON typhon with the big jump hex?

[signal coral]

that is definitely a bug

but yes it happens sometimes

[patent locust]

How to trigger artemis ?

[split igloo]

makes no sense definitely should be A

its my fav weapon

feels the least weird

[viral yew]

You can't

[patent locust]

😍

[steep galleon]

I'm a blades enjoyer myself

[edgy nacelle]

enter a room without a boon in erebus, oceanus, or ephyra and get lucky
iirc there's a hidden system where the longer you go without seeing her the more likely it is, but that resets if you reroll your seed w a late game incantation...?

[past mist]

hmm.. i wonder if the pom meta has made blades worse?

[patent locust]

Okk ty

[past mist]

because you can't get the freezer burn going as easily

[steep galleon]

They're pretty versatile imo so pom meta doesn't put them at a disadvantage

[past mist]

not sure you can get artemis in hammer rooms either but unsure atm

[past mist]

sorta? but the hestia freezer burn bs was their best damage at the time, at least for mel blades when i played

[edgy nacelle]

I'm not sure either lol but ik they changed it in 1.0 some...? used to be non-menu only
let me check the patch notes actually 1 sec

ok yes you're right, no hammers or first selene, but path of stars and poms are fine now!

[past mist]

like, i think it's only the health and magick rooms in ephyra - but i could be wrong

[past mist]

oooh 2nd selene is fine?

interesting

[edgy nacelle]

path of stars is mentioned in the patch notes so yes I assume!
altho poms and path of stars don't show up in ephyra lol so seeing her on the surface is still a pain

[visual ermine]

Anyone know what froth damage means? Is it just +x% damage against froth enemies or does it influence the damage proc in the curse?

[viral yew]

25% chance to do more damage after inflicting froth

[visual ermine]

So it influences the curse damage?

[signal coral]

the bonus damage from slippery slope makes the curse do more damage

the curse has a 25% chance to deal damage every time you hit the enemy

[visual ermine]

Ah mb I was ambiguous

Yes, the damage proc from the status

[signal coral]

btw froth procs off of non-weapon damage as well
it works incredibly well with anything that does a high number of hits per second, such as storm ring, demeter gales, etc.

[past mist]

huh, i did not know that

[signal coral]

and naturally works pretty well with poseidon waves since the waves are a seperate source of damage from your weapon hit so there are two chances to proc froth

[viral yew]

Arterial spray also goes crazy

[visual ermine]

nice

[viral yew]

especially with succes rate

[signal coral]

yeah i asked about it because I had a pom run where I had poseidon cast + demeter gale and the cast was shredding enemies by itself

was very confused until I asked about the interaction

[steep galleon]

How does success rate get applied to chance based boons anyway

[signal coral]

multiplicatively

doesnt work on dodge or daze, works on everything else that is a percentage chance I think

[past mist]

everything it works on will also have its numbers visibly changed after you pick it

so you can see the effect it has

[signal coral]

do NOT be baited by reckless abandon success rate

[steep galleon]

Oh interesting I haven't noticed that

[obtuse tendon]

going all in on Zeus + Demeter + Hera then betraying Hera and cashing in her boons for Zeus for a cast build with Aspect of Circe. anything that could make this better?

Witch's Staff

[steep galleon]

So for example let's say the success rate I picked is 50%, the new arterial spray chance would be like 37%?

[rugged moon]

Yes

[past mist]

what's the original arterial spray chance?

[rugged moon]

25% i assume

[past mist]

then yeah

[rugged moon]

25 becomes 38

(Most things round up not down)

[signal coral]

kings ransom it the entire build, everything afterwards is just gravy on top

[rugged moon]

Pyrotechinic heatia is also really really god with froth

[signal coral]

if you have double strike +20 and storm ring/blitz +20 you win the run

[rugged moon]

Pyrotechnic is tick rate not damage per tick

So makes it deal damage really fast

[steep galleon]

The sweetest kings ransom I did was when I had Hera in the next room right after I got it and I was allowed to get nexus rush again

[signal coral]

when I asked I was told that scorch and steam were the only damage sources that dont proc froth

i havent tested it myself

[rugged moon]

Oh it doesnt? Most be explit to froth it doesnt say that

[signal coral]

scorch is just weird because it has a bunch of specific interactions that are hardcoded

it used to have a lot more before they buffed it

[rugged moon]

Did they change airfryer?

Use to be amazing (air quality + scorch going from 100 dps to 300)

[signal coral]

yes, air quality no longer works on scorch now I think

[rugged moon]

Boooooooo

[signal coral]

but now scorch is actually boosted by global damage

whereas before it wasnt

[rugged moon]

i guess thats fine

[signal coral]

the global damage change made a huge difference

[rugged moon]

Is it on applied or damage per tick?

[signal coral]

like you easily have 80-100 global damage from arcana so it juices scorch a lot

[visual ermine]

Damage per tick I believe

[signal coral]

if you have +100% global then scorch will tick down by 100 but actually deal 200

[rugged moon]

So like air fryer use to do

[signal coral]

yeah

[rugged moon]

Where it would tick down 13 but deal 50

[signal coral]

in exchange though air quality is hard coded to not apply to scorch

[rugged moon]

i suppose that makes sense

Makes ares infusion cool

Also question, speaking of infusion. Is apollo infusion the only olypion boon to still work under scars and why

It looked like the even made the old moonwater rare not work that was similar

Also i guess it would make scars speed running tech but i really wish healing boons were just disabled at scars 3 ngl. It feels bad to see them

[brazen wasp]

is it generally better to go for curse specials or %specials on mels staff

[rugged moon]

%special

mel staff has a base special damage of 80

which is massive

[brazen wasp]

so apollo or aphro

[viral yew]

aphro and dual moonshot

[rugged moon]

dem is also fine being both % and effect

[edgy nacelle]

I kinda prefer hera to dem for Mel staff special, higher % and still a status curse
freeze is great tho. just... arctic ring <3

ig now nexus is a great hitch applicator too, but idk, between dem special hera sprint and hera special dem cast I'd prob choose the latter

[rugged moon]

true

although id not turn down either

[edgy nacelle]

(also cause sprint will open king's ransom if blitz is on attack and I don't wanna lose hitch unless I'm planning to)
but yeah I wouldn't turn down either, and for ||jpom runs|| it's not like you have a choice tbh

[rugged moon]

had a run fail cause i got greedy and turned down dem special since i already had dem attack and aphro in pool. aphro didnt give me special and then no special ever showed back up but heph

[tardy mural]

back to complain, tart rng feels crazy bad

big room with skulls basically just tanks your run instantly

[edgy nacelle]

yeah tart rng is rough
also when fig leaf procs in the only small room I get in a run I want to scream lol

[tardy mural]

yep

[edgy nacelle]

rousing reception is kinda nice, esp since it's good for hecate too
but armored skulls/bags just suck

[tardy mural]

just happened to me, fig procced in small room, 2 rooms later im in big room with skulls and it takes like 25 off the timer

yep no rousing this run :( was never gonna be fantastic but could have been better without those skulls 💀

[edgy nacelle]

adding Nem to tartarus is also a blessing and a curse because like. god I love to see her. but also ahhhhh more rng >:(

[viral yew]

Real, it never procs half the time for me

[steep galleon]

Time to train Rivals Chronos some more I suppose

[visual ermine]

With aspect of medea if you vicious strike with four charges do you get only 1x of the power or 4x?

[viral yew]

1, think

[visual ermine]

Mmyeah, makes sense unfortunately

[coral spoke]

does aphrodite's nearby mechanic work relative to the spell or attack or relative to mel's space to the enemy.

Eg. aspect of medea normal vs omega attack with aphrodite's blessing

[viral yew]

Relative to mel

[edgy nacelle]

relative to Mel's position afaik
i.e. if glamour gain affects the enemy, it's in range

if you want to benefit from aphro for ranged attacks then fish for poseidon's duo 🤷 otherwise they're melee only

[viral yew]

About cast/torch specials range

[rare brook]

Damn, I'm sure I fulfilled requirements for resetting seed incantation, when it's counting the seven kills of Chronos and Typhon?

[viral yew]

Have you unlocked the second statue

[rare brook]

Well yes

[viral yew]

Done the epilogue?

[edgy nacelle]

iirc the requirements changed in 1.0, it may be post-epilogue now...? some info is outdated

[steep galleon]

You get that after the epilogue

[rare brook]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[rare brook]

Oh, so actually epilogue, not just ending?

[steep galleon]

yes

[rare brook]

Aaahhh

Ok ok