h2-builds-and-combat

[sage flame]

unseen card 😩 😩

[civic ocean]

I do actually think it's a lot like the Unseen (or Excellence) Arcana in that a lot of extrapolation and theory is used to discredit something without practical experience.

I do plan on using Unseen at 50+ Surface with Momus

[olive sphinx]

well that's interesting

[sage flame]

at least unseen is great for boonless 🔥 or if u specifically plan to get tough gain for the damage reduction or something

but still 5 grasp feels a bit bad still

[olive sphinx]

5 grasp is so much 😭

[civic ocean]

And in Warsong I took Excellence Unseen to 50f underworld as well, specifically because I valued being able to build my combo without needing a gain boon

[upper rapids]

At that point just gamble for chaos regen or something

[sage flame]

i did use excellence recently tho east u should be proud, it was pretty nice for heph persephone run lol

[glass shell]

i am vaguely coming around on excellence somewhat, but unseen has no benefit

[civic ocean]

lmao

[sage flame]

i mean sure but mininet used unseen for his 50f boonless runs afaik

[glass shell]

still think excellence should go up to 100% legendary or get more to the card

[olive sphinx]

"without needing a gain boon" well that just sounds like a self-imposed challenge idk 😭

[civic ocean]

Why do I need a gain boon when I regenerate 10 mana a second

[olive sphinx]

cuz like... for 5 grasp you can have a better arcana setup.... that is more beneficial than just "not needing a mana gain boon"

[glass shell]

"without picking one of the 1/5 boons the game actively throws at me forced via the code"

[olive sphinx]

lmao exactly

[glass shell]

like its not some vague t2 boon thats hyper specific

[civic ocean]

You guys are looking at it the wrong way. If Unseen is a good enough gain boon to win the run with on the weapon then Unseen basically reads "start the run with the gain boon of your choice"

[glass shell]

"i don't need aoe clear, i have flash fry" like yeah no that aint a good point if that was case

but every god has a magick boon and until you have like 4/5 slots filled they are incentivized to appear on your list

[sage flame]

honestly if they just made magick/sec regens to continue regening while channeling omegas id appreciate unseen more

[olive sphinx]

yeah but like... it costs you 5 grasp to just not need a gain boon... when instead you could just get a gain boon and have 5 extra grasp for something more useful

[glass shell]

honestly that might even be all it needs, it was one of my feedbacks a few days ago to just put that on the card

Unseen always regenerates magick, even while spending it.

[olive sphinx]

have my updoot

[civic ocean]

No that's not what it means, it doesn't mean you don't need a gain boon it means you START the run with a gain boon

It IMMEDIATELY makes all magic based builds strong from floor 1

[glass shell]

u made me check if you upvoted the actual one or not LMAO

#h2-feedback message for reference

[olive sphinx]

oh looks like i did!

[glass shell]

ye

[glass shell]

yeah and floor 1 unless you are playing giga magick builds like charon you don't need mana regen, and if you DO unseen isn't enough

[civic ocean]

It's perfect for Momus

I also think it's super good on Charon too

[upper rapids]

Had something in mind whilst reading the fig leaf heroic discussion
were this to not make it too op, would just adding some guaranteed value like " at least one room has x % less enemies " sound good?

That way even for heroic theres something to buff and still potentially get value from, like maybe the x %

I dont think the heroic is really that big of an issue.
Experimental hammer also kinda gains nothing, since its often picked 3rd or 4th biome and i dont think ive seen it run out
Picking it 2nd biome also feels weird... I dont know if it has enough encounters to reach chronos/typhon, maybe it does, havent done the math. But typically its a bit early to gamble like that when theres guaranteed boosts like another god for a duo or whatever

So having a useless heroic isnt that bad, tho it could also welcome a small lift to treat the whole situation its in

And having some form of guaranteed value would help with the actual issue of potentially getting 0 value like actually 0 value just nothing, at least daed or chaos give you something you could use if youre in a pinch

Again this is without intricate knowledge of how it would affect speedruns i mean maybe any x % would be too much

[civic ocean]

But in general I think it would be really healthy for this place to get out of that habit of going "I don't value this very highly -> This thing is 'useless'"

Like I felt pretty bad for the berzerker Nergal guy who basically came in here and got told there was no reason to chase his dreams because the current 2nd highest Nergal fear clear of this patch wasn't shown to him and instead he got told it was bad

[glass shell]

Reducing the total spawning budget of rooms for a region would be kinda neat too and somewhat accomplish the same thing

[civic ocean]

I think this suggestion makes sense for a different game

[olive sphinx]

yeah but if we dont complain SGG wont buff things that need buffing 😔

if you love the Unseen so much why would you be against it getting buffed

[glass shell]

I dont think the heroic is really that big of an issue.
Experimental hammer also kinda gains nothing, since its often picked 3rd or 4th biome and i dont think ive seen it run out
And again to repeat myself for the like 5th time, if it was JUST this in isolation who cares like i said there arleady useless heroics like 99% of arcana upgrades or echos keepsake

[upper rapids]

Was taking inspiration from deep dissent

[glass shell]

but fig leaf has multiple other issues

[upper rapids]

Yea i agree
Its why i thought that a boost which treats two 'issues', one light and one major, would help
Instead of trying to pin the blame on one thing and fix that

[glass shell]

hammer doesn't have a chance to just give you a "failed creation" that does nothing or worse reduce your damage or something

[civic ocean]

Well this sort of nuance is how we go from Heph blasts being a niche offhand option to them currently being the Patch 11 Surface speed world record on medea and the highest patch 11 Persephone Fear clear, where something that was niche and not that useful gets turned into something insane

[glass shell]

Good, cause heph was trash before i'd rather have OP than bad

[civic ocean]

Then turn on god mode

[glass shell]

Nah because this isn't god mode

[upper rapids]

Wait heph medea sounds neat didnt think of that

[olive sphinx]

I mean sure balance is a tricky thing lol. Heph was still heavily underpowered before so why would SGG not try to make him more viable?? like why are you so obsessed with loving useless things? 😭

[glass shell]

I would obviously rather have a more balance heph via a full rework but when all else fails like sgg wanting the game out the door in 2025, buffs are the next best thing

[upper rapids]

Is that on both attack and special or just one and maybe demeter/apollo the other

[glass shell]

If heph was unseen release for the rest of time due to 1.0 being release with no further buffs, he would absolutely be the lowest core pick rate in the game

probably still have a decent pick rate overall due to supportive boons but the cores were majority ass, still are for tough gain #bringbackmypoms

[olive sphinx]

it's just a strange argument to make "we shouldnt buff things because then they might become too op and dominate the meta"

[civic ocean]

I would rather live in a world where we can value things like Heph as a god for what he offers instead of just buffing everything in this game to the point where meaningful decisions matter less and it's just boonslop every run

[upper rapids]

Not a bad point of view but is it boonslop, im curious

[glass shell]

In an ideal world i agree with you

[olive sphinx]

I mean i'd argue there are no meaningful decisions if Heph is underpowered: you simply want to avoid him... that's it...

ideally we dont want anything that's underpowered or overpowered..

and as a community we speak about what's underpowered, so SGG can try to bring balance to the game

[glass shell]

But in the real world, heph WAS underpowered and needed buffs. Are these too much? Honestly i'd go even further cutting -2 seconds minimum off attack+special and maybe reducing damage by like 100-50 on them.

Except for sprint we need more there

[olive sphinx]

like idk what the issue is?? we want meaningful choices too

[upper rapids]

Ideally we want the ideal situation yes yes but game balance hard tale old as time innit

[civic ocean]

Heph wasn't underpowered though, nothing in the data we could gather really showed this. He had a weakness which was his blasts

Now there is almost no reason in a run to not take Heph if he is offered, he is an extremely strong god

[glass shell]

Good, you should have a reason to pick a god as your core boons

[civic ocean]

You already had several reasons to take heph cores

[glass shell]

AKA what core is, run defining

Not primary. Its like picking apollo sprint as a "core boon". No origination on sprint did not excuse his meta presence on the other 4 slots pre unseen

[olive sphinx]

so your argument is that we shouldnt point out underpowered things because SGG might accidentally make them too op later?? 😭 this makes no sense...

[quasi mica]

Heph was also just not actually underpowered before this patch. Like everyone loved to go armchair designer on his boons despite the fact anyone could just pull up crossroads search for hepattack or hepspecial and see how these got used by players in high fear runs

[glass shell]

Its not an "apollo build" just because you picked blinding sprint just like its not a "Heph build" if you take heph special on blades

[civic ocean]

My point is that there are way fewer underpowered things than there are underpowered players/perspectives

[glass shell]

Yeah for sure

Like am i hyperbolic when i say mel staff NEEDS buffs, absolutely. But being loud is the best way to be heard - if mel staff or even mel axe for how much i complain about that 35 power literally never gets touched it wouldn't be the end of the world

but heph NEEDED buffs to most of his cores and that is just a fact, if you disagree sure thats your opinion but imo factually wrong

[olive sphinx]

scream like your life depends on it 😔

[civic ocean]

So like what is factually wrong

[glass shell]

Low damage, too much investment required for worse levels of output.

[civic ocean]

Are you "factually wrong" about Nergal's attack combo

[glass shell]

No, because the attack combo is ass compared to everything else you can do.

[spiral wadi]

i mean mel staff still nets 62f clears,,

[quasi mica]

also i wouldn't even say this is a pervasive problem as much as pronto's default language for anything they don't like to use being "it's unviable"

[spiral wadi]

unironically put poseidon splash on it

[glass shell]

this tbh

[civic ocean]

Put aph attack on it and split some heavens bby

[glass shell]

like there are things i dislike and then there are things i dislike

[quasi mica]

and pronto posts a lot so their problem looks like everyone's problem

[glass shell]

😭

[olive sphinx]

pronto is just very passionate guys!

[upper rapids]

Im curious, does the data include how early/late in a run he'd be picked?

I'd intuit he was avoided at the start and only picked when options ran out and you'd welcome a trusty shield over something like bones or ash

Sounds polarizing, only wanting the god when you're out of options for your build because you get some decent defense

[civic ocean]

Yeah I mean I do say above that it would be a healthier place here if we stopped using objective language to describe subjective opinions in the hopes that Supergiant is going to shoot the balance patch t shirt canon at us

[glass shell]

Purely looking at high fear data you would see he had one of if not THE strongest pickrate IIRC

[upper rapids]

Interesting

[glass shell]

But like you say, that was mostly in the supportive category

Like unironically remove mint condition from hephs pool pre unseen and i don't think many people would've gone for him

at the end of the day he is more or less the defensive god you always wanted 4th no matter what cause armor is nice

trusty shield alone saves you a lot of hp tax

[upper rapids]

So like maybe if you cant get the best build going due to the onion or the vow that removes boons or rarity, you'd go for heph later on to supplement with defense simply because adding to the main build was difficult?
Also vow of scars, so taking shields to not lose essential hp

[civic ocean]

Can I answer your question with a question:

What would be wrong with all of that being true? Why can't some gods - like Hephastus and Ares and Apollo, primarily - be relied on more for supportive aspects and exist a long a spectrum of core offense/defense?

[upper rapids]

Im fine with supportive roles for sure yea
I mean demeter doesnt have the most insane damage either, apart from i guess weed killer

But isnt it so polarizing that you'd avoid him at all cost early on and only pick him because you ran out of options? Which correlates to the high fear data since high fear makes you run out of options ?

[glass shell]

IMO from a gameplay design standpoint, i think every god should have somewhere they shine, and no persephone is not enough to make heph "shine" as that is too narrow. Something like posiedon wanting rapid attacking aspects is the bare minimum here i consider.

JUST supportive should be relegated to NPCs and side rooms, or even arcana entirely. If you pick a god, you should be excited for what they offer you, not disappointed with 80% or "just taking this so i have him in the pool to get mint condition later"

[civic ocean]

Unless you were playing a weapon where blasts are pretty strong, like Medea or Persephone

[olive sphinx]

I think it depends on what SGG envision for the game at the end of the day.. If that's their design vision, then they're free to ignore our feedback completely and do as they choose.

we literally just say things but athe end of the day SGG are the ones deciding whether or not it's something they want to change. So looking at heph's buffs it looks like they dont want him to just be a supportive god perhaps

[upper rapids]

Yea that is true

[glass shell]

Like demeter is a great example here, shes not really taken offensively that much, but artic ring support is great. I honestly think she could use a +10% buff on her attack/special cause i can't recall the last time i took them

Would that make the difference? honestly probably not but incentivizing different use is good

[civic ocean]

See I think you should just take Demeter on your attack/special more often

[upper rapids]

Actually didnt even know of the medea build i always just imagined youd go blitz

[civic ocean]

Yeah you go blitz special blast attack and heph has a lot of great synergies with Zeus and medea

It's one way to play the weapon, Ares being another and Aph being another.

[glass shell]

Why would i take something worse? Like in a case of denial where i may as well take it sure. But in most scenarios of the game its just "wrong" to pick it

[upper rapids]

Would need to look into that if theres like speedrun recordings and stuff cuz it sounds interesting
Id take the guaranteed blitz proc with an aph boosted attack over the sparse procs with heph blasts which rely on rarity and poms

So yea interesting to see how that is used

[upper rapids]

Now im thinking how many weapons benefit from the other gods' effects , how often is it also just 1 or 2 weapons

[civic ocean]

Some weapons are going to get a higher damage increase from demeter than other % based boons because often, especially on surface, freezing an enemy is a very good way to ensure that the next attack hits them

Additionally, Arctic Ring is, by design, excluded from many of Demeter's duos.

Additionally Additionally, builds that seek to play high damage from far range and utilize things like White Antler will not always have their casts as an option.

Additionally Additionally Additionally, the 1-3 dice you save from rerolling Demeter for Arctic Ring will come up again later and you can still freeze things!

[upper rapids]

Btw i should mention im like shi at the game and just wanna talk cuz i like it so if i say something stupid yea thats on me my bad

[unique igloo]

what build would you guys reccomend for thanatos

[glass shell]

anyway tldr cause my relief for work is here and i gotta drive home

Just because something isn't actually unplayably dogwater, doesn't mean its ok and players should "experiment and find ways to use it!". Players are naturally good at finding stuff that works, and if something stinks they tend to sniff it out fast. Im not asking for massive level buffs here, just minor nudges for most things like mel axe +5 power/hp and heph absolutely needed more than minor nudges

The chance of something getting buffed into OP land shouldn't stop you from asking for buffs in the first place. Even if mel skull was reverted to its OP as hell state from 4 months ago, the other aspects would still exist and it would be a question of "Why is mel coat this ass if mel skull can exist like this" not "Whats the point of me using morrigian"?

[olive sphinx]

I say stupid things all the time so dw

[upper rapids]

Really like the dice argument
Rather take a mediocre attack/special now if its not the main source of damage for the build, than to waste rolls and then miss my chances at an essential duo or legendary

Demeter attack/spesh are fine, theyre not insane but theyre good enough

[solemn loom]

Wouldn't it be cool if it showed all boons picked in order and each biome.

[upper rapids]

So i assume it does? Sarcasm?

Im unfamiliar dawg

[civic ocean]

Not sarcasm

[upper rapids]

Aight

[formal pulsar]

okay I like where heph now. just did 55f surface run with him and it felt really good. he is just unplayable with forfeit onion (for me). he is still very reset heavy to get good rarity / pom (if doing heph mom skull) and I dont wanna sludge through that with onion

and he also really wants apollo/hestia to do real damage

[upper rapids]

Or demeter

Cryo pounder doesn't clear freeze like the apollo duo clears daze so you should be able to stack good damage on stuck enemies right

[formal pulsar]

cryo pounder is nice. but the base damage that rude awakening adds FAR outscales cryo pounder because of the damage formula. you have like +100% global damage from origination/furies/strength. so that 300 is really 600 compared with the 200 (if using heph attack) that cryo pounder adds and that difference increases with more global damage stuff from perfect image/snuffed candle from the these two gods while demeter doesnt have any global damage. also for some reason cryo doesnt consider thawed enemies frozen so it has bad uptime of 2s every 10s unless you also run good rarity cold storage

[upper rapids]

Good point on the snuffed/image

What i shouldve said is it still relies on a(ny) duo for good damage, not just apollo hestia

But why only 200 on cryo

[formal pulsar]

cryo increases the blast damage by 50%. but it is additive. so if you have base 400dmg blast, you get extra 200 but it is added to the rest of the damage modifiers.

[upper rapids]

Oh so its outside of the multipliers formula

Didnt know that damn so ive been doing way less damage than i thought

[formal pulsar]

it is inside the formula but think of it like this if you only have strength/furies/orig you have 100% global damage, so the blast becomes 400 x (1+0.5+0.2+0.3) = 800 and with cryo pounder it becomes 400x(1+0.5+0.2+0.3+0.5) = 1000

[upper rapids]

Ok thats good

Was worried

[surreal adder]

anyone know how short you can get heph cd down now?

[upper rapids]

1 sec

[formal pulsar]

1.48s but tooltip says 1s

[upper rapids]

Yay rounding

Thats uuhh heroic 4 boons attack i believe

[formal pulsar]

yes heroic lvl 4 atk is 2sec

[upper rapids]

And poseidon duo

Took it for granted

[surreal adder]

mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn kinda thought it was 1s because I knew it was 2s before and then with the duo itd go down to 1.4 but then it said 1s while feeling a lil more than that but its alright

[uneven palm]

the tooltip lies

man what a turnaround for Heph in one patch

[forest hinge]

what weapons are people running on these low CD Heph blasts?

[formal pulsar]

mom skull for the chance to pom the attack so that you have low cd from the start of the run

best weapon other than that imo is any sister blades (non morrigan) since they have fast and quick long ranged special. it is the safest weapon with heph blast. but harder to pull low cd than mom skull.

[forest hinge]

i find the new Circe staff really interesting with the Psychic Leash effect, but there seems to be a discrepancy with the leash dmg w/Furies.

base Leash dmg is 750(full duration; even if unlikely), and 750 x1.3(Furies) should be 975, but im only getting 894 in the training grounds vs skelly.

I assumed this is because the Psychic Leash spawns before the cast fully forms, meaning you lose at on some of the Leash dmg.

overall, does Psychic Leash dmg really matter that much, no probably not LMAO

[spiral wadi]

get apollo backstab

regardless leash does do a surprising amount of damage lol

[indigo viper]

Man, Supay is still too op.
Idk, how nerf this wep unless SGG disabled their autoattacks.

[forest hinge]

do you just have to be standing behind them while leash is active? also can u backstab or even hit Scylla with leash?

[spiral wadi]

ye the leash's origin point is from you so if ur standing behind an enemy leash should backstab

[civic ocean]

Some kooky stuff backstabs truly

I wonder if on Surface blades are the Fig Leaf start weapon

[forest hinge]

the fact that Night Bloom's Raised Servants will attack enemies that you've Charmed is hillarious but also annoying because both my guys are literally fighting each other

[crystal holly]

best builds for Supay please?

[glossy rivet]

whats a build for anubis besides sticking scorch on attack?

[forest hinge]

From my experience, Hestia dash (Heat Rush), throw any statuses on Spec or Atk, and take Raki for some Heat Rush crit chance.

[glossy rivet]

does air quality work on the anubis aoe fields?

[crystal holly]

the one that leaves the fire trail?

[forest hinge]

it should work.

[forest hinge]

yep, it got nerfed slightly this patch but still good imo

[crystal holly]

aight im trying 32f underworld

level 4 rival

lets do this! should go for zeus / posidons on attack?

[hardy niche]

heya guys, planning to finally play this game. is there some sort of beginners guide pinned somewhere?

[glossy rivet]

ehhh hmm
anubis omega attack deals 65 damage per tick anyway

is raki good for anubis or not really because the damage tick is usually low anyway

[crystal holly]

welcome! Enjoy the ride. may moon light guide you!

[forest hinge]

Raki isn't about how big each number is, just how fast you can hit.

[civic ocean]

Its uhh

[forest hinge]

4% crit sounds kinda cheeks, but when u have smth like Heat Rush which deals damage like every 0.25sec, you'll notice the 4% chance to triple that damage, which can be increased from Origin/Furies/Strength/etc. (really good on Supay imo)

[glossy rivet]

guess ill try it on anubis

[barren galleon]

i wanna make a clank cl;ank build any tips?

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1398826032655765545/clip_1753576428027.mp4 wait blast might be back

[rocky pier]

It was better when Success Rate worked on Raki lol

[rocky pier]

Why aren’t you dodging anything here bruh

[rocky pier]

Persephone aspect

[spiral wadi]

this game is hard?

also vow of time was going to rip my ass if i didn't take risks lol

wait i didn't even get hit much during the fight what do u mean i wasn't dodging

[civic ocean]

Yeah the opener you literally pull off one of the hardest dodges in the entire game lol

[forest hinge]

ok no longer an Air Quality believer anymore LOL, if u have Furies/Origin you already hit 45 dmg per Leash tick

[glossy rivet]

wow psychic whirlwind nergal is cracked

got apollo legendary and a chaos 100% special dmg, just let loose 2 whirls and 4 jackhammers
bigly and speedy damage delivery

[lucid tide]

oh what about the lighting and gust?

[forest hinge]

Furies/Origin already brings similar numbers, and AQ is calculated last in the damage formula which really works against it(it would be cracked otherwise, but yknow)

[cerulean panther]

I watched the whole clip, I understand the Heph Blasts got you to the finish line against Unrivaled Hecate barely in time (yo, why doesn't Strength nerf that damage? I get it, DDs are a Hades hallmark, but c'mon), that was a clinic in dodging Twilight Curse.

Seriously that was a thing of beauty.

[lucid tide]

oh so I dont have to take AQ if I want to play circe with storm ring?

[forest hinge]

I'm going back and forth on it, cus like its really nice, but i feel like i keep trying to have to force it to deal good dmg on circe

[spiral wadi]

thank u, ye i've found a relatively decent way to dodge hecate's curse, i can't tell whether it's 100% consistent or not but it does feel like it

[forest hinge]

AGHHHHHG idk anymore

[lucid tide]

I think AQ helps a bit with like low damage boons like the chain lighting boon one but idk Im kinda new to the game

[uneven palm]

Chain lightning and Demeter gusts are the big ones for AQ

[spiral wadi]

is it just me or when a death defiance gets activated toula instantly goes back to sleep

[olive sphinx]

I think I saw someone else have this issue too

... Pretty sure it was pronto lol

[uneven palm]

Nah, surface blades just get Zeus (or probably Hestia now too) and any of Trick, Reaper, Melting, Wicked hammers and you’re cruising. If we’re talking like ultra high fear I’m assuming

[civic ocean]

im kinda thinking you can play literally anything

So I might just start fig leaf and then take whatever I want from ephyra because I get one free room

[elfin forge]

you can't do that that's stealing

[spiral wadi]

rough :((

[rocky pier]

Supay with hestia is still very good, just melted typhon

[jade raptor]

How fo you use the twins flames? I get the idea of the axe, but im not good with slower weapons

[uneven palm]

I wouldn’t call the flames a particularly slow weapon. Omega special, hold attack, repeat when specials expire. You can cast and dash while attacking so do that to not get smacked

[jade raptor]

No, I meant the axe when I said slow

[normal kelp]

Y'all ever try starting a new file and unlocking only specific arcana cards so that when you activate Judgement it can only give you gas, because the less useful arcana are locked?

[jade raptor]

What goes well with it though? I havent been able to find anything thst works super well unless you get a few hammers

[uneven palm]

Anything’s fine on attack/special honestly. Specials maybe prefer flat damage (Zeus, Poseidon, Hestia) attacks maybe prefer percentage boosts but anything works. I like Zeus special Hera attacks best.

I usually just start a gain (like Hera) and fill out the other slots with whoever shows up

[chilly stag]

Which pet familiar is the best for surface and underworld? Or does it like matter on the play style?

[elfin forge]

there's not really a universal best

Raki is good for damage
Frinos is good in general
Hecuba gives you more mana

[spiral wadi]

incorrect buzzer, toula

[elfin forge]

the other two are more niche

[chilly stag]

Ooh okay thx

[spiral wadi]

gale tends to be the main familiar for high fear runs since u get 3 free hit blocks per region

[elfin forge]

yeah, in high fear you can't heal(usually), so the hp that Frinos gives you is less valuable

plus damage is higher, so each Gale Block is more damage negated, usually

[civic ocean]

Has anyone else had Chronos go up in the sky and then just slash the hell out of you as if he were still on the ground?

[olive sphinx]

if I run a high mana cost build Hecuba is extremely helpful, I love her

[civic ocean]

In typhon fight

[chilly stag]

I have no idea who’s that but I will be on lookout for her

[olive sphinx]

oh ok, so that means you're still relatively new to the game?
in that case all familiars are pretty well balanced atp so honeslty just choose whichever animal you like the most!!

you can start thinking about optimizing more if you try to do fear stuff

[chilly stag]

Oh yes I beat chronos like 5 or 6 times then yesterday I beat typhon after 2 tries. Thanks noted.

Also meet eris which was not fun

[olive sphinx]

lmaooo

ok have you found Raki yet btw?

[chilly stag]

The orange cat?

[olive sphinx]

no, that's toula

the next familiar you'll unlock will be Raki, a bird in an erebus fountain chamber

and after that you'll be able to unlock gale and hecuba

[chilly stag]

ohh the bird I fed and it flew away

Okay!

[olive sphinx]

[past salmon]

Tbh I very rarely take Gale these days

I'm either Hecuba for magick or straight frogging it up
Or memeing on toula

[spiral wadi]

ya me neither lol, esp on circe i don't like gale

toula's super cracked on circe tho lmaoo

[olive sphinx]

@chilly stag did you know that Frinos can eat the sheep btw??

(aka the polymorph projectile that Hecate uses that is really hard to dodge. Frinos can block it if you position yourself behind him)

[elfin forge]

oh you meant sheepball, yeah

I was like "frinos can eat the sheep in Poly?????"

[rocky pier]

The Apollo/hestia boon goes crazy with Wispy Wiles and/or the Hermes dodge boon

It’s a shame that the boon isn’t attached to the most consistent source of dodge though (wispy wiles)

[olive sphinx]

polymorph =/= polyphemus 😭

that'd be such a funny way to misspell his name though..

also I WISH FRINOS COULD EAT THE SHEEP IN THE POLY FIGHT

that'd be so cool??? also I mean frinos is like the biggest familiar, he can handle a shoop or two surely

[olive sphinx]

also add hot pot and self-healing on top of that and you're pretty much unkillable!
one of my fav combinations to play yeah

[brazen ore]

i'd freak the hell out if i saw a froge as big as frinos in real life ngl

[olive sphinx]

ikr 😭
the other day i looked at him and realized how he is actually soo huge???? what is this frog??

[rocky pier]

Is self healing basically just a 30% damage reduction on non-fatal damage?

I’ve always thought the boon was kinda a trap ngl

[spiral wadi]

a hearty diet

[olive sphinx]

no because it takes a bit of time to heal that back... (it's not immediate) so if you get hit twice in a row you will only heal the 30% of the second hit

[spiral wadi]

defensive posture warm breeze meta

[olive sphinx]

and it's pretty good I think!
it also heals through Scars I think

[olive sphinx]

frinos must have a.... hearty appetite then?

[spiral wadi]

how else do we get more hearts

[woven bough]

With the recent hades 2 patch, is heph blast viable on Morrigan now? And is the best build on morrigan still hestia attack?

[stark mulch]

Frinos also really good for blocking eris shots

Idk about rival eris, but he was an absolute shield vs regular eris

[rocky pier]

How badly does not taking divinity kneecap you? I’ve always assumed it was kinda mandatory for high fear to get higher rarity boons without taking excellence but it does limit your ability to skip some arcana cards in a particular column.

[pseudo pond]

For the Hermes boon that grants omega speed, does it grant channel speed? Or how fast you performs omega moves?

[civic ocean]

It's my understanding that Racing Thoughts improves the Channel speed of the move, not sure but I think also the animation SOMETIMES speed manifests weirdly in this game

[pseudo pond]

Got it, thx, sometimes felt like the explanation of the skills and aspects weren’t that clear

[chilly stag]

Good lord what ok I will keep that in mind! It’s so hard to dodge there’s like 1/3 chance I will get hit by it and waste time

Frinos W

[sage flame]

TOULA IS THE BEST ONE

my goat forever and always

[rocky pier]

Raki clan rise up

[mellow condor]

for skulls should i take the all at once hammer or the +15 hammer? i have artemis keepsake of critical

[glossy rivet]

whats some good extra gods for supay sprint with hestia rush?

[indigo viper]

I did with Hestia dash, Zeus special, Demeter attack.
Grab Dem+Zeus duo and should be fine.
If you'll do rival Chronos I recommend switching strength to death and take Toula for extra safety net.

Kinda I don't like how rivals turn both Chronos and Typhon fights from roguelike to bullet hells.

[civic ocean]

I am a believer in Demeter sprint Supay atm

[tribal acorn]

current meta staff builds?

[tall notch]

heph cast circe

[tribal acorn]

this means hapheastus cast with circe aspect I assume?

which pet to take? frog or cat

[tall notch]

bird

[tribal acorn]

boons i need to get besides the cast from heph?

[tall notch]

honestly whatever boons you like on staff attack and special, one of my all time favourite combos is hera atk zeus special

[indigo viper]

Is there any YouTube clear 32+ VoR 4 with Strength instead Death?
I can't imagine how godly must be dodge skill but also think about how (indirectly) Strength is nerfed over death.

[glass shell]

well boated just uploaded a 32 fear surface with strength https://youtu.be/CfRBGm4szv4

[robust prism]

do the Ares double damage boons apply to olympian damage?

[glass shell]

It is global, yes.

[robust prism]

thanks

[indigo viper]

Tysm!

[uneven palm]

I did Strength + surface rivals 4 on 32 the other day https://youtu.be/JqsXyGfgv64?si=6TOM2cpbIpQp19LN

lol same build as Boated haha

Like Strength has been nerfed but if you’ve got healing still I wouldn’t say it’s worse than DDs

[brave dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejnbY7VQL4 with scars 3, even (it's nergal lol)

[olive sphinx]

wow this flower vendor person is really good at the game huh!

[brave dove]

tbh that setup with nergal is I think genuinely the easiest possible 50 fear

[olive sphinx]

high fear runners all have a downplaying their accomplishments illness 😔

[brave dove]

it's more that we have perspective on just how good the actual best players are, I'd say

[olive sphinx]

yeah I get that, just a funny observation

reverse dunning kruger effect or something i guess

[brave dove]

how are you finding mel flames post-buff btw

[uneven palm]

Really good honestly. Everything hits significantly harder, the built-in crits are nice (I’ve been trying Night to maximize them) and the bigger radius on the O special gives you a little more breathing room oh and also they hitstun which is huge

[glass shell]

i kinda wish they were closer to mel like old o-special

but man do i love the new regular special and the hitstun soooo

[uneven palm]

Yeah positioning is a little fussier since you can’t just go up in baddies face to get hits out of the O special

[olive sphinx]

I agree, its sooo hard to hit enemies with my specials being so far away...

yeah I can never tell how far or close im supposed to be

[glass shell]

also doubles as a nerf to eos which blows

but it also hits enemies farther away from eos so a small buff? since your regular specials hit close idk

[uneven palm]

Kinda just try to stay at the o special radius. It’s juuust enough for attacks

[olive sphinx]

I have like a monkey brain instinct to get close to enemies all the time though... 😔

[glass bone]

Question about the Heph Persephone build; is Wide Grin useful? As in; if a Heph blast is ready on attack, does Wide Grin mean that every single skull fired will use a blast?

[uneven palm]

No, one blast

[olive sphinx]

nop

wide grin is still considered one of the weakest hamemrs, right?

[glass bone]

Ah, that’s unfortunate.

[brave dove]

wide grin is good for oattack stuff

[olive sphinx]

wide grin also doesnt work with Mel skull buff

[brave dove]

just bombard the entire room

[olive sphinx]

ohh i should try it out

[glass bone]

I know that part. But I thought Wide Grin would work with Hephaestus, making it a strong option there.

[median anvil]

get it with bolstered array to drop 6 bombs at the cost of one

[glass shell]

Why do you think it would work?

Its not like throwing out an omega special on blades gives you 5 blasts

[olive sphinx]

[glass bone]

I wasn’t certain of that either. I basically have never chosen Hephaestus’s core boons by choice so I haven’t done the tests.

[glass shell]

you get one blast and one blast only, only time you get more is with the hestia duo on a 2second window of tming

god if you could multi-hit blasts nobody would be complaining about heph in the past few months 😭

pan posiedon meta dropping hiroshima on bosses

[glass bone]

I feel like if Hephaestus’s damage gets nerfed, that could be a compromise. It would be akin to Poseidon but more extreme (more damage at the cost of less opportunities for said damage).

Now I actually want that…

[glass shell]

It'd probably completely invalidate posiedon as an option tbh

Maybe hel would still want him

[uneven palm]

Anyway to answer your question I think Mel Flames went from underrated good to actually pretty good but honestly probably strictly worse than Moros still haha

[polar ravine]

finally i beat the great surface chaos

[indigo viper]

Wow, that was amazing run

[brave dove]

thanks!

[civic ocean]

Mel Flames I kinda just jam as much Ares as I can and hope for Inverted Blaze

[hexed iris]

Is it just me or the sinister pinion hammer ugprade of the morrigan does nothing?

[willow phoenix]

it essentially doubles your special hits. It's generally not that useful outside of like Typhon. It can lead to easier triad chaining but the special already hits multiple times by default so it can be redundant

[brave dove]

sinister pinion scorch might be interesting for typhon actually

[willow phoenix]

Imagine if Master Conductor actually works vs Typhon with Sinister Pinion lol

[crystal holly]

sugesstions for moros please?

[robust prism]

aphro or hera attack, zeus or ares special, win

[woven bough]

Between aphro, hestia, apollo and hera on morrigan attack, which would be better for taking on rivals chronos?

[polar chasm]

Are there times where you should use sureshot flurry? Cause every time I grab it, it just wrecks my run

[jade raptor]

Is there a way (or future concoction) to avoid getting turned into an animal in the Hecate fight? It doesnt bother me all that much besides the whole "you cant do anything for a short time, prolonging the fight"

[olive sphinx]

nope

[olive sphinx]

you can either learn to dodge it or bring frinos to block it

[glass shell]

There are multiple ways to dodge it, but nothing disables it from b eing a move

[jade raptor]

Figured as much, but figured id aak anyways, thankyou! Also, frinos can block stuff?!

[olive sphinx]

yep, if you stand behind frinos, the projectile will be absorbed by him!!

[glass shell]

Frinos eats the projectile

If you dodge through the projectile like 6~ times it despawns

If you have night bloom/sun worshipper you can kite the ball into your summons and it despawns the ball

[jade raptor]

Oh, also! Other then the raven and toula, where can you find the other familiars?

[glass shell]

You need raki + toula to recruit the other two

[jade raptor]

Aaaaah, I see! I jusr need to get lucky then, because I have not been running into the little guy

[glass shell]

They said the requirements were reduced in the unseen patch though i don't know how exactly, you used to need all 3 + use them in battle a bit

then talk to hecate and she lets you recruit dog + polecat. Dog is in echos room polecat is in olympus before the boss

[olive sphinx]

there is like a rhythm to dodging the hecate projectile where you first run away from it and then when it gets close you dodge into it and run in the opposite direction and repeat 3-4 times and it's pretty consistently dodgeable

[jade raptor]

Thats so useful, I didnt realize it despawns, I just accepted my fate since its easier that way 😂

[glass shell]

You can also just have demeters sprint which creates a wind gale, it slows the projectile enough that it literally can't hit you as long sa you keep sprinting as i found out watching my friend play for the first time

i was so gd mad i was waiting for him to get hit like i did but it was so slow 😭

[jade raptor]

Lucky

[olive sphinx]

lucky to have friends?

[jade raptor]

I was talking about not gettinf hit the first time

[glass shell]

yeah he was smug about it saying he was so much better. vindication when he got shepeed and died the next 3 times

[jade raptor]

Also, I must love scrungly men, because Icarus and Hypnos are just

Hahahahaaaa! Its a learning curve for sure

Also, moving from hades 1 (double dash) to hades 2 with a single dash was humbling

[glass shell]

remember to use your cast, its the best move in mels kit

[jade raptor]

Should make the first game easier though when I pick it back up eventually

[glass shell]

genuinely if you aren't spamming cast literally every single time its off cooldown(aka its not on the screen) you're doing something wrong

[jade raptor]

OMG throwing your cast is beautiful

My cast is what got me my first win

[glass shell]

toula for first win is based

[olive sphinx]

be careful because most channels are full of spoilers btw!!! there are a ton of surprises awaiting you, I recommend discovering them blind

[jade raptor]

Also, beating promentheous or however you spell his name was humbling because whatever the hell (or heaven?) Is going on up there is absolute insanity (which is the point, I think? Thats why the gods are struggling so much)

[glass shell]

ah so you know about prom already. The polecat is in the room right before him then

you probably saw him already you can pet the dog/polecat before being recruited

[jade raptor]

Also, I thought it was the polecat and the doggo that were your other familiar choices, but I wasnt sure. I think Odysseus mentioned them

Doggo hanging out with the other doggo and the polecat chilling up above

[olive sphinx]

once you unlock the vow of rivals btw you should try them out because there is a lot of fun story stuff locked behind some of the rivals fights

but it is also very difficult so be careful

[jade raptor]

Ive been eyeing that vow, but after hades 1 with the erebus gates, Im nervous

Also, the system in the second game is amazing! As much as I like the first games broker system, the second game is so good

[olive sphinx]

yeah h2 is such a huge improvement on all fronts for sure

this game easily surpasses h1 for me even though it's still in EA and H1 was already insanely good

[glass shell]

yeah they are hecates familiars

but she lets you recruit and use them after you show you take care of your own familiars, which is why you need all 3 + leveling them up a bit

[jade raptor]

I like how they added the above world! 10/10!

[brave dove]

You can also outrun it and it'll eventually despawn

Though with frenzy you need demeter sprint for that to work

[jade raptor]

How do you level them up? By feeding them or by using them? Or I can just find out on my own... ugh, after defeating prometheous, beating chronos was so easy

[olive sphinx]

feed them treats

[glass shell]

feeding them, but theres an incantation for that. I think you need all 3 pets to get that though

[jade raptor]

Speaking of chronos, am I the only one whos mega stressed out by the ticking sounds? It sends my anxiety through the roof

[olive sphinx]

yeah he's meant to be pretty menacing

[brave dove]

well, time cannot be stopped 😔

[jade raptor]

Omg pausing during his fight is jilarious

He gets so mad! 🤣

[brave dove]

at ea launch he'd unpause you

[olive sphinx]

try doing that when you get his vow of rivals fight btw !!!!

[glass shell]

yeah im pretty sure looking at stuff its once you recruit all 3 pets(use 3 treats) it gives you the upgrade incantation

[olive sphinx]

it will be even funnier, trust me

[jade raptor]

Ill keep that in mind! Im a little upset that chaos wont give me a 5th dark crystal challenge! I want the fates thing

Im going to play a round then try to sleep again

[sick tide]

For Shiva do people still usually go Here for the gain? Or are there newly competitive ones now?

[glass shell]

hera is always the correct choice for gain if you're worried about running out.

Realistically posiedon is fine too cause you don't combo THAT often so the cd doesn't hurt that much, but the others probably don't keep up.

[sick tide]

Perfect, thanks!

[olive sphinx]

Ionic gain is really great too since it fullly heals your mana

[willow phoenix]

Hera scales the best, but Poseidon is also really good with it

Zeus, Apollo, Dem are all pretty viable too albeit might require some attention to its use

[sick tide]

Good to know, thanks everyone!

[spiral wadi]

can toula crit

[formal pulsar]

for scorch morrigan, do you guys favor wicked onslaught or final slice

[glass shell]

good question, but based on everything i can think of, no.

MAYBE with death warrant? but i doubt it

cause thats the only source of non mel crit chance i can think of but i have no idea how that interacts in the code

[spiral wadi]

i see, dam

[glass shell]

Afflicted foes have +30% chance to take Critical damage. Lasts 6 Sec.
Doesn't specify attacks/specials etc and is specifically the attackers can take crit damage.

Theoretically this might work with triad too? but im sure someone tested that already and it likely has the same exceptiosn

[spiral wadi]

hmm sounds fun to figure out

[glass shell]

im almost positive it shouldn't work but there could be some weird interaction

[spiral wadi]

for scorch morrigan prob final slice since u want to be applying scorch, i'd say wicked onslaught would prob benefit more from a % attack like apollo or hera

altho +20 power at base is already pretty strong lol

[uneven palm]

Both are good, Final’s a little better overall just for AOE utility

[spiral wadi]

tru, the range it has can also get insanely funny if you get apollo attack

[civic salmon]

Did they fix wave strike + pan ? I don’t remember

[spiral wadi]

splash now has 0.09 icd, so pan should do more splashes but still not all

[glass shell]

in theory yes, in reality no.

The blades move so fast they tend to collide near the exact same time or close enough that a .05 difference doesn't matter

So its still like 5 splashes same as pre patch. I've gotten 6 once

It did however fix coat dash attack, 3/3 and 6/6

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s roughly 1 wave per 2 blades

On pan o special

[glass shell]

There is probably a hyperspecific positioning and targeting scenario that you might be able to splash on 10/10 blades

but it would have to like miss the target and spin back around

[sage flame]

final probably most of the time

[spiral wadi]

ah rough

[quasi kayak]

Why do people take scorch on Morrigan though? Isn't it more of a hard-hitting weapon that's be better with a flag damage % up?

[spiral wadi]

i remember using scorch morrigan a lot when it first came out, it's super good, prob same level as % dmg

i do prefer hitch nowadays

[uneven palm]

Dash-strike -> attack with Scorch kills a lot, so you can preserve magick for Triads on chunkier things. Honestly any of Hestia, Apollo, Hera, Dem, Zeus, Heph all good on Morrigan attack

[quasi kayak]

Heph??

[uneven palm]

Have you tried Heph attack lately? Dude kinda slaps now.

[spiral wadi]

heph blast is funny, it can backstab

[uneven palm]

Is that still the case? I haven’t tested back burner this patch

[quasi kayak]

Don't think it does anymore

[formal pulsar]

backburner doesnt anymore

[uneven palm]

Here I just did Morrigan Heph start the other day https://youtu.be/fsiD9quos_I?si=KXiGheEhzoDJHCwf

[spiral wadi]

i got a 1500 dmg blast during hecate with backstab, maybe it was smth else?

[quasi kayak]

Isn't the cooldown still insanely long though? Wouldn't it work better on specials if you only use them for triads anyway?

[uneven palm]

Either is fine. I took attack here just cuz purple

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1398826032655765545/clip_1753576428027.mp4 (1500 blast after hecate's interphase)

[uneven palm]

You have triads between blasts, it’s fine.

[quasi kayak]

Are you running strength with Toula?

[spiral wadi]

the idea is to use my dd on either hecate or scylla, then strength for rest of run

prob better to use 4dds but i want to deviate from meta a lil

[uneven palm]

Morrigan’s weird because O attacks hit pretty hard but the regular attacks are pretty weak. So kinda anything is fine. Either you’ll do bigger o attacks or get a lot of value out of on-hit boons it’s all pretty good since it’s just supplementing triads anyway

[quasi kayak]

Idk I think there's a meta for a reason tbf, missing out on the damage bonus in Erebus and Oceanus kinda sucks. You can take Frinos too for more HP and magick anyway I think

[spiral wadi]

i've made it to rchronos plenty of times, the damage bonus actually makes no difference lolol

[uneven palm]

You don’t need the +20% additive damage in Erebus or really UW generally tbh

[spiral wadi]

i don't think it even applies to blast which is funny

what does the dmg buff apply to

[uneven palm]

Strength is global

[spiral wadi]

and did the blast actually backstab or not

[spiral wadi]

hm, so blast doesn't benefit from global but does from olympian

[uneven palm]

Hmm it should get a boost from global damage. It did last patch…

[willow phoenix]

It still backstabs now lol, I guess they didn't actually patch that one out

[willow phoenix]

I'm pretty sure it's affected by global damage, you get bonus damage from furies, strength, glow, etc

[spiral wadi]

maybe some cursed thing where strength dmg buff didn't apply for that room specifically since i dd'd that room

just speculating lol

[spiral wadi]

i see, wack

wait i coulda sworn i had furies in that clip

[uneven palm]

Yeah the vid I just posted I’m doing 480 c1 with Heph attack, that’s the 20% from strength

[spiral wadi]

weird tho, blast on special is 500, backstab +100% so 1000, origination +50% so 1500 as seen in my clip

just missing the strength multiplier for some reason

[willow phoenix]

50% from orig is 250 tho lol

[civic ocean]

Anti-ASMR is a good bit

[spiral wadi]

750 + 100% -> 1500 still

[willow phoenix]

Furies + Strength is another 50%

[spiral wadi]

o wait

[willow phoenix]

backstab is just another multipler no? It doesn't multiply everything at the end

[spiral wadi]

ah so all the %s are just added up

weird game

[civic ocean]

I wonder if I start doing Strength instead of Death on Magic + Hex builds just so I can force Athena for Pike or Task Force

[willow phoenix]

yeah damage calculation is all the %s added up * power

[civic ocean]

Only things in the game that aren't additive afaik:

Heavy Metal - tacks on the % of armor at the end but before x2 and x3

Ares x2s - Grievous Blow/Mutual Destruction

x3s - Night/Artemis/Antler "crit"

[spiral wadi]

good to know

[quasi kayak]

Would be so funny if it was multiplicative though

[spiral wadi]

heavy metal should be changed to crit based on each armor point

[civic ocean]

Heavy Metal is so interesting to me because it is on paper kind of broken but in practice you have to be so cracked at the game

Everything in this game that scales off of your bulk is OP to me - Appetite, MD, and HM

[spiral wadi]

i remember in like end shop tartarus i was fishing for heavy metal but i got confused with the security system instead

[civic salmon]

Is there something you have to do to unlock flux?

[civic ocean]

what is flux

[quasi kayak]

Silken sash new Artemis keepsake lol

[willow phoenix]

%scaling being like that also makes me wonder why the numbers for Cryo Pounder is so low when Rude Awakening is that high

[quasi kayak]

Chaos

[civic salmon]

Like bonding with chaos?

[willow phoenix]

a resource you find in Chaos room

[civic ocean]

The game is generally really stingy about % based affects on Olympian damage. Rallying Cry functionally provides the same boost as Cryo Pounder and requires 8 earth and they didn't change it in like the 4 balance patches since it came out

Rude Awakening I have no explanation for that duo is nuts

[willow phoenix]

Room Temperature was sacrificed for this

[spiral wadi]

i feel like rallying cry should lean into ares' 200% dmg buff in some way

[civic salmon]

Yes but my friend hasn’t gotten any in like 7 chaos rooms lol
Is there something you need to do to unlock it other than getting the pick axe?

[willow phoenix]

no just rng, you can bring Raki to increase the chance of it spawning

[formal pulsar]

found the one (only?) room temperature fan

[willow phoenix]

perma freeze is fun

granted it's not really good outside of blast builds lol, still Cryo only giving a little damage while not working on freeze cd is just a downgrade in every way imo

[formal pulsar]

i think it not working on thawed enemies is just bugged

should probably be fixed

but even fixed it still FAAAAR worse than either chain reaction or rude awakening (best blasts duo imo) because of the damage formula

i feel like many parts of this game are still left overs from h1 where % dmg increases were far less frequent. some stuff just feel very janky compared to others

[willow phoenix]

I don't think so when Hail Storm and Winter Harvest also doesn't work on thawed enemies

[vast timber]

Anyone gor some whacl builds for this patch?

[willow phoenix]

Try some Godsent + Task Force builds

Something like triple lunar ray + Apollo godsent + task force or aphro godsent + sunny dispo + task force

You should be able to pretty reliably get it if you get Godsent choice on biome 1, Moon Beam on Biome 2, then Gorgon Amulet for epic Task Force in biome 3

[civic ocean]

So I did a run just now where I did Heph Blasts and I am pretty sure Back Burner DID increase my blast damage so idk

blasts went from like 1200 to 1500 with it or so?

Also lmao casual 750 dps

[uneven palm]

Heph really popping off this patch my god. I assume you’ve seen what the speedcord is doing with him past few days?

[civic ocean]

I watched foolish set the record live I think

and I didn't record this run so its invalid but I just did a 13:12 39 fear surface run without even starting heph keepsake so I can believe it

I feel validated about Fig Leaf Ephyra now

[uneven palm]

Nice run 🔥

Trick Knives supremacy

[civic ocean]

Yeah its good and bad because I am never going to learn Prom and Typhon if I just keep winning damage races against them

Which ironically due to stuff like Tshield Heph is also amazing at

[formal pulsar]

testing with pony, backburner definitely works with backstab blasts

not sure where that info that it was not working coming from

sorry for spreading misinfo

[uneven palm]

Yeah just tested in a run too. Still works.

[willow phoenix]

Yeah back burner still works rn

[willow phoenix]

It's in patch notes

[civic ocean]

oh so its a bug?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah, it's supposed to be gone

[glass shell]

does it always backstab?

[formal pulsar]

yes

[glass shell]

ah yeah sounds like a bug then though i swearit wasn't working before

maybe they walked it back in the same hotfix that fixed hel/non HA coat posiedon

[willow phoenix]

It's still in the patch notes so I don't think it was intentional

[glass shell]

<@&456908176877551658> prob wanna check the most recent filter

spam bot got filter'd

#h2-for-new-players message

[formal pulsar]

so with just rude awakening and epic backbuner and standard 100% global dmg from arcana, heph attack does (400+300)x(1+1(global dmg)+1(backburner))=700x3=2100

and pers meter fully charges up with 1800 olymoian dmg. so one blast fills up the whole thing

[uneven palm]

Yeah idk that Rude Awakening needed that buff but I'll take it

[willow phoenix]

It's probably meant to make up for backstab no longer working lol

At least we get to enjoy it until 1.0 I guess

[mossy yoke]

whats the rec for baby’s first shiva build? trying to do the prophecy

[willow phoenix]

Apollo on attack, a good gain boon, Night Arcana, then just play with O special and O attack

[dry mirage]

what build do yall do with selene?

[uneven palm]

Moon beam start, either do Night with big percentages on attack special or get Origination up between them to power up the space lasers. Anything that makes Omegas more expensive is good.

If you’re feeling extra spicy take Ares later to unlock his godsent hex upgrades. With the Ferocity upgrade that’s a boss eraser. Then xx-spicy take Athena and dig for task force so you can use godsent more often.

[dry mirage]

ty

[civic ocean]

I like starting Aphrodite and sorta building the Skyfall hex as I go

[mossy yoke]

thank you! this was helpful. i was able to beat chronos and typhon with shiva tonight to finish the prophecies

[heady elm]

I'm having a great time running anubis staff w/ flame strike; you can kind of healmaxx if you spec into glamour gain and later grab wispy wiles, which with hot pot can land a pretty crazy dodge chance even without the hermes boon; I've had a run with near-max dodge, and with warm breeze and self-healing, along with Ares' lifesteal and daze from apollo's dash as well as the attack enhancement, you're practically immortal

Best circe boon for this is the one where she amps your healing, or the 10% dodge chance

Working on beating typhon on 24 heat with this

[uneven palm]

That’s a strong build. You’ve got him

[ebon reef]

Does success rate work on the morrigan double strike hammer?

[west thunder]

Yes

[ebon reef]

Lovely thanks!

[verbal lark]

does anyone know if moros's keepsake counts as a death defiance per hades' bonus damage boon?

[civic ocean]

It does not, that is the only way in which it is not counted as a Death Defiance effect.

[verbal lark]

thanks!

[wintry vine]

what builds you guys are liking the most after the update?

[glass shell]

Mel torch ripple effect(or moros)

Circe in general

Shiva/Selene coat

I want to like persephone but the bugfix really makes me not want to play when i get no poms

[willow phoenix]

Putting Apollo Legendary in everything

[spice cave]

Found a Morrigan build that slams:

Main Loadout:
Demeter Strike
Heph Special
Poseidon Dash
Apollo Cast

Then the duos:
Cryo Pounder
Seismic Servo

Then for bonus damage:
Cut Above
Cutting Edge
Coffin Nail

All the other Hidden aspects were easy to wrap my brain around in terms of builds, but Morrigan needs something that complements its weird little attack sequence, and after watching Haelian's latest Heph build, I finally figured one out.

[crystal holly]

YO. what will be your best suggestions for the aspect of hel pls

[willow phoenix]

Poseidon on attack + static shock, pretty much that

Or Hestia on attack works too

Or you can ignore Valkyrie and play with O attack if you have Helheim Charge

[crystal holly]

thanks! man i have tried a lot of different stuff lately, i should just stick to one, cant seem to beat 32f w rivals 4 and its a bit tilting 😛

any other weapon plus build this patch youd suggest bro?

[undone tapir]

medea heinous affront, persephone with a low cd heph + any of apollo/hestia/poseidon/demeter/aphro (aphro not as good) duos, and supay freezer burn (hestia attack/special + demeter cast) are pretty strong at boss fights for sure, with the first two being also effective for room clear. w the supay you might use the dem cast for the freeze effect before applying enough scorch on normal enemies where the freezer burn won't trigger for very much

but thats okay because demeter freeze is just very safe and you can find damage for room clear elsewhere

[edgy nacelle]

not in response to that, but how good is Scalding Vapor these days?
I've had really bad luck getting it this patch even when I'm doing a scorch + splash run, and the couple times I have it's never on the end-of-run damage display so it's hard to gauge how much it's really contributing. any builds which take advantage of it particularly well?

[undone tapir]

me personally it feels like bait which is really sad

[willow phoenix]

It's pretty good damage wise tbh. Vapor being a tradeoff with Froth is something to keep in mind though

[undone tapir]

it's kinda fun to proc on the supay, replacing dem cast w poseidon, or just poseidon on special w slippery slope

but with the latter the steam would negate the slippery slope damage buff :(

idrk how much damage it gives compared to the safety in room clear + chunk damage of bosses youre giving up by not going for freezer burn w dem cast

[willow phoenix]

Since steam sticks to enemies, it works really well with scorch builds in general since it's also low commitment

[undone tapir]

right so long as the build's froth trigger isn't too clunky

[willow phoenix]

It's essentially a second scorch damage but doesn't work with Pyro. It's also 100 damage per second like scorch, can also crit and work with AQ unlike scorch

[stable herald]

Steam doesn't count as an Olympian curse does it? I guess it's not super important unless Froth and Scorch are your only two curses

[shadow basin]

making builds in this game is so goddamn fun, getting a good run is so satisfying

[solemn loom]

@empty musk Thank you for your contribution, along with very few others who helped expand this resource. I’ve noticed there’s been some discussion about the website’s stats and related topics.

Some folks might not accept it since it’s not from SSG, and others may think it’s too subjective or lacks enough data. So just share your thoughts; if people agree, awesome. If not, no big deal, next topic. 👍

ps: criticism is easier than creation, the goal post is forever moving and you can't satisfy everyone.

If I made it 50+, there's less entries. If I made it 32+, it's too spread and skewed. If I made it as long as there's fear, no one have time for that.

This isn't name-link collection. lul

[empty musk]

Yeah I think ppl just got heated there bc they assumed I was using the data to say their opinions were completely invalid, and I apologize for that. I do appreciate all the work you do tho! That site's been a pretty helpful tool for me to see what other ppl are running at high fear (especially rn since I'm struggling w coat)

I'll avoid using the website in the future for feedback and find other ways to make my points, I don't want ppl dissing your work just bc they're scared the game might change bc of it (even tho SG would only go off their own data)

[solemn loom]

I just feel like there's no need to argue.
But I do feel annoyed when people pointed to the obvious.

If you don't agree, maybe submit your runs since anyone can contribute. If you don't like it, maybe make your own?

I don't doubt SSG is not collecting stats, but I doubt it will be presented to the community.

[empty musk]

I think ppl who have never been statistics don't realize how hard the process and how much time it takes, but I'll keep giving you all my run data and encourage others to do the same 🫡

[chilly stag]

Does anyone have any good build for moonstone axe with melinoe aspect for surface?

[median anvil]

aphro attack, dashing heave hammer

use huntress arcana

[chilly stag]

Alrighty then

[fresh galleon]

Chronos arcana also good if you feel you're swamped and like spamming os

[jade raptor]

If i EVER have this build again, the final boss to Olympus i haven't reached yet can kiss its ass goodbye

I took a screenshot, but on steam deck, the screenshot button is the B2 + steam button so it swapped screens to my arcana

[heady elm]

Used to be my go-to; Moonstone axe w/ aspect of Melinoe (the extra health comes in clutch on high heat surface runs) running Ares' strike, usually acquired straight-off from his keepsake. Since the moonstone axe has insanely high damage per swing, it benefits crazily from inflicting Wounds; paired with all of Ares' crit effects (and success rate if you can get it) you just melt everything. Ares' lifesteal is limited but great for survivability; since the axe is kind of AOE (big swings) and you heal per enemy struck, it's also really nice on the axe in general. Only weapon it's better on (IMO) is Anubis staff. With the axe, after this, I usually hard-focus defense. Since you've already got more than enough damage, go either Glamour Gain or (best w/ Ares) Tough gain, which later guarantees coffin nail if you grabbed the Ares cast. Also, just because, a perfect build would have apollo dash and hestia special, so you can nab all the other healing boons, and hopefully snag circe's healing amp. :)

Not to mention: wounding crit fireballs!

[chilly stag]

ah thank you! am def looking at this msg every time i do a surface run

[burnt sky]

For the Meli's aspect on axe, Ares on attack, as mentioned, is indeed good and it unlocks life regen or wounds effect.

You can also go the O attack way and be crazy with apollo or hera attack with Apollo legendary. Hammers that let you take -20% damage while in attacks or use other actions when in O attack are nice.
Aphrodite is nice for weak effect (this + daze or hitch triggers origination).

I would just add that for Are's lifesteal under 40 HP, I don't think that Axe benefits this much for the lifesteal, especially when you take into accounts boss and that at low or no fear, the regular rooms are usually not a threat. It's still good don't take me wrong tho.

Anubis is closer, but it needs Omega attacks or spamming specials. However something like hidden aspect of skull (especially with the hammer that let you hit one other foe with attack) can trigger lifesteal so fast after using O special, or the O special of most black coat aspect can allow you to also hit & run. A full O special on most daggers (espcially pan or with the hammer that launch daggers in line) can regen you easily at 40+ HP (if you do one strike at let's say 39HP and your boon make you regen 2/3/4 per hit, you will go over 40HP on this strike).

[heady elm]

Happy to help! :)

Agree with @burnt sky; daggers are OP combined w/ Ares lifesteal; recommend aspect of pan. Fully max'd and with trick knives, it's insane. Best combined with apollo cast OR demeter cast and later local climate

[robust prism]

So what do we think is the best special boon for Pan now? Hestia? Hera?

[polar ravine]

zeus or demeter for me personally

[jade raptor]

Ares is in this game? Nice! I hope he comes up now that ive beat typhon! Ive only ever seen Athena in Olympus, and no gods in the upper most region

[polar ravine]

or aphrodite

[jade raptor]

Wait, are his boons super different from the first game, because Zeus kinda has his boon thing in the first game but flavored different

[robust prism]

they are entirely different yes

[jade raptor]

:)

Ehehheee, good to know

[glass shell]

Zeus literally doesn't work though? Like you get 1 proc

[uneven palm]

Zeus special is good for non-Omega Pan

[formal pulsar]

is Anubis the best aspect to play with Zeus attack? trying to do some big ransom runs since attack scales better than special now.

[wooden wadi]

Is there a consensus on which weapon works best with exceptional talent? My first guess is pan daggers with poseidon special

[formal pulsar]

charon, nergal are two the come to mind as top competitors

[brave dove]

charon and new thanatos prolly

charon is the clear winner though because of the double cast explode tech

[glass bone]

Idk… I just completed my first 40 Fear with Hestia attack, and it felt great. Haven’t tried Zeus Attack though on Anubis just yet, so I’ll have to see.
All I know is that Cardio Gain is now fantastic on Anubis, so I feel like Hestia start is pushed further again than Zeus start.
Also, I actually feel like the OSpecial “nerf” is actually a buff if you can manage the magic, because it means you can trigger the Hexs faster (which also got buffed).

[formal pulsar]

hestia good but zeus felt incredible (for me) - try it out

#h2-victory-boasting message

[glass bone]

Alright. The next one I wanted to try was Poseidon since that also got “fixed”.

[formal pulsar]

i only got ransom on typhon shop but the build was wrecking

[glass bone]

Is there a specific combo outside of Kings Ransom that benefits from Anubis Zeus Attack?

[formal pulsar]

mass application of blitz and thermal dynamic is way better when blitz is on the attack because all enemies get the scorch at once after mass blitz is applied

you can also do silly things with romantic spark

since your attack applies blitz and you can keep sprinting

[glass bone]

Oh… I see now. Tbh, I just put Hestia as a start and just random stuff and it still felt strong (need to get used to it more since I took a break in Patch 10 and switching from Medea to Anubis for a 40 clear was… something.)

I’m guessing then the combo would be something like… Zeus Attack, Hestia/Aphro/Demeter cast, Hestia Gain, and Thermal Dynamics, such that an attack on top of a cast continually adds blitz damage and scorch damage.

[formal pulsar]

exactly. and if you get hera, it opens up big ransom

zeus attack scales better with pom (+15) than the special (+10), and it starts at higher blitz values at epic and heroic so your blitz can get way higher if you go the attack route

[glass bone]

I was just thinking attack because OSpecial has the increased Magic cost, and the combo would be inverted from what Anubis typically wants to do (drop Attack first, then use Specials).

[formal pulsar]

I am sorry I dont understand your point. can you explain it better?

[glass bone]

With Zeus Attack and a repeating cast boon, you can first drop the attack, and then use Cast. (Same thing can be done with Specials, though OSpecial relies on a magic boon, and hunting specifically for Zeus’s Attack, Hestia Gain which is my preferred choice, the strong cast boons, and Thermal Dynamics seems plausible but harder.)
In contrast, putting Zeus on Special runs into the problem of Blitz being triggered by Specials, where you rely on a magic boon to pop up, plus then you have this awkward position where you’d need to run in with cast or attack (or i guess Aphrodite’s gain?) than shooting from far away to trigger blitz.
That’s to say, I value Zeus Attack over Zeus special for Thermodynamics because attack should be dropped first.

[undone tapir]

any build recs for mel coat?

tryna clear 32f w all aspects, main fear are max rivals, timer, and fangs, w a level of frenzy

[glass bone]

I forget if Poseidon works in Patch 11 Mel Coat, since I assume by the comments of Pam the answer is No, so……. I guess going for Static Shock, and perhaps some combo of Hera and Zeus on attack and special could work. I could also see a Hestia gain be used on Mel Coat, because I believe each OSpecial could refund itself if at a high enough rarity.

[undone tapir]

alr we going kings ransom coat weee

[glass bone]

Also, is the goal to just clear 32 Fear with all aspects, or to clear it with specifically max rivals, timer, and fangs?

[undone tapir]

im about halfway done w 32f on all aspects, where im saying the main fear within that 32 is rivals timer fangs, and 3 from a frenzy level

fits my playstyle best and doesn't immediately kill me region 1

[glass bone]

Just figured to ask since personally, I have max frenzy on and really don’t like either of the Rival 4 bosses for a 32 clear.

[undone tapir]

ahh interesting

my mental is like if the build cant dps it doesnt deserve to win

also my mechanics are too garbage for max frenzy

[glass bone]

Rivals 4 drains your timer, and they can both be rough (the mini bosses and third phase for Chronos, and the tongue attacks and kid phase for Typhon).

[undone tapir]

ill only do max frenzy on the easy weapons

yeye true but i like building for big damage to beat timer

im v impatient

[glass bone]

Got it.

[undone tapir]

i feel like i make up for 3/10 mechanics w 8.5/10 build intuition during a run

not to self glaze or anything

[civic ocean]

I wouldn’t recommend Rivals 3+ on Surface or Rivals 4 on the underworld if all you’re trying to do is one clear.

Prometheus, Typhon, and Chronos all get like noticeably substantially harder to the point where it’s just not worth it

[undone tapir]

i just take hella strength hp and facetank, kinda just fits my playstyle/what i find enjoyable

[civic ocean]

However maybe you prefer them to the increased speed of Frenzy.

Fear is in a pretty good and modular spot atm

Other than Denial, Hubris, and like Time 2 I don’t think any level of Fear is truly “free” anymore and even those I mentioned can be difficult if you’re new

[undone tapir]

i like the fights and the challenge and would rather not get ground to paste in region 1 from switching to other fear that affects enemies right from chamber 1

[glass bone]

Wait, why is Menace not included?

Is it Thessaly and the automatons?

[undone tapir]

i like the higher rivals because it delays the fear hits at a point where the power curve can meet the challenge

[civic ocean]

Well I have a pretty low bar in that comment and I do think that having to handle Hippos or Lurkers in Erebus and automatons in Thessaly can be hard yeah

[upper rapids]

ayo can someone tell me why with the anubis build ive got at #h2-victory-boasting message
i still feel like im not doing enough damage?
i feel like i finally got a lucky win with omega special anubis by just facetanking

cuz i lost all 3 dds to timer running out vs prometheus
and then just somehow managed to race typhon before timer ran out

poseidon attack doesnt feel wow even with recent changes, id rather have kept blitz ( had to swap since i got poseidon and ran out of boons from the vow )
poseidon gain is ... acceptable. wouldve wanted born gain ofc

[undone tapir]

no hera in epyra but poseidon dem apollo we go air quality cyclones

[glass bone]

Ok, nevermind about the idea of Poseidon. I didn’t get a perfect setup, but in my 40 Fear Underworld run, Scorch did 66 thousand, and was the top damage output.
Also, I think that Cardio Gain works very well on Anubis with the changes. Just a few ticks of Attack allows you to slam down another one.
Lastly, to the Specials… honestly, I’m not really certain. It’s probably that Prometheus, Heracles, and Eris just kept running around, so maybe the nearby effect of Aphro didn’t always work?

I mention Eris since I’m going to guess that Eris drained the timer down such that there wasn’t as much leniency with the Prometheus fight (correct me if I’m wrong).

All of this is just a guess though since it’s been a while since I’ve done Surface (and also Rivals 3 surface).

[upper rapids]

ive also tried cardio yea it feels nice but same issue as the aphro vs prometheus, eris, heracles
if they move around too much, the attacks dont restore much

and you get stuck using specials to regain magic

[plush vapor]

are mel torches still the best for a fine line build?

[upper rapids]

so far ive been trying apollo, demeter, hera, zeus, poseidon gains
honestly zeus might feel the best to me

poseidon's downtime is a big drawback
hera works ofc but can run out of magick in some odd cases
apollo with winners circle and a good rarity is neat but you need to path to the cast constantly, or just stay inside it at all times and place an attack field on top then draw enemies in, so you just have this zone around you that you shouldnt leave

demeter on paper sounds nice but i havent gotten a good enough rarity and with common/rare its too slow

[plush vapor]

i feel like smth like anubis staff o special spam would be better after the change

[upper rapids]

i mean i just got fine line in my run lol

nearly 80k dmg since ripple effect came up late

[plush vapor]

what weapob

[upper rapids]

anubis

[plush vapor]

yeah i think im gonna do anubis

[upper rapids]

#h2-victory-boasting

[plush vapor]

oh also does splash work on each anubis atk tick?

[upper rapids]

yea ran out of time on eris first, had like 6 seconds over the limit
then struggled through olympus

[upper rapids]

latest patch says it does, and it looked like it, but the damage didnt feel great either way

[plush vapor]

cool,
its probably bc theres a rate cap on splash(evident on pan daggers)

[upper rapids]

i was forced into poseidon waves because boons ran out so it replaced my blitz
personally i prefer blitz or hestia
but dont fear to experiment, maybe with a more on-hit effect build itd synergise well
i saw some build on youtube with static shock, waves and froth

[glass bone]

Idk how popular or controversial this take is, but… I’d be fine with a trade off balance patch, where Hecate, Eris, and I guess Prom/Heracles dealt more damage or even was faster with attacks, but retreated less (and also Hecate has some significant detail that distinguishes her again like the torches).

[plush vapor]

i always take hestia on anubis atk
with the faster tick rate its very good

[upper rapids]

look up Boated En-lightning anubis build video

[plush vapor]

its good even without after the buffs

[upper rapids]

or wait

was it boated

i think he did try it with poseidon but it might be the wrong video that i recalled

[civic ocean]

There’s something mechanical to how Eris works that I am not certain is intended behaviour by the devs but more or less she gets freaked out by Omegas - just sticking to regular moves makes her seem to fly away less

[upper rapids]

hecate has the voicelines if you use headphones
then theres this idea ive been hearing that the real hecate spawns further away from you, and therefore it will start moving towards you so its attack pattern is more noticeable

[glass bone]

Do wish that would be communicated in game. But maybe I miss signs too easily.

I did not realize how the cleansing pools worked in Rivals Polyphemus until the third time I did it where it had to be explained to me in dialogue, despite also playing Hades 1 in the past.

[civic ocean]

Im not even sure 100% how it works

[formal pulsar]

another thing i like with anubis zeus attack keepsake start is that it opens static shock and air quality play very early. so you can have attack blitz, static shock, and air quality almost finished before poly in ephyra

[upper rapids]

also for heracles/prom
i would like for less retreating yea
but also please make the fight EASIER TO SEE like damn
going in with something like static shock anubis and youre blind

[civic ocean]

I am still trying to demystify coat omega attack

[plush vapor]

as in what it blocks?

[upper rapids]

it works based on vibes

[plush vapor]

its very annoying

[upper rapids]

cuz for some reason it blocks poly waves but not hecate

[plush vapor]

yeah
i never use it because i dont want to spend several runs deciphering what it actually works with

even with selene i tried to use it but ended up just spamming special

[civic ocean]

What it blocks and doesnt

How fast does it come up and how fast does it end

What its range is

How it works with dashing

How does it interact with Eternity

[plush vapor]

actually coat special could also be good for a fine line build

although the massive dmg of anubis special is probably better

[upper rapids]

i have been using fine line on shiva but as a supplemental, idk about main source of damage

[plush vapor]

i got it with aphro, +300% dmg hammer & double special hammer

insanely good

[upper rapids]

would be nice to have a training partner like skelly but that shoots back at you to try out such things

[civic ocean]

Its just a lot to keep track of

I am regularly taking like 300 or so more damage from everything prior to Prometheus on Coat

[upper rapids]

also its radius
i know you mentioned range but i assume thats in a straight line from mel

[civic ocean]

Yes but also the range is different if you dash out of vs if it is fully charged and you dash mid animation

Which also means you can’t dash after which means you get mollywhopped if a hitbox is already out

[upper rapids]

also doesnt it feel like it ends sooner when you run out of magic than when you reach the cap?
when you reach the max cap of 30, it still lasts just a bit

when you reach your max of current magic, it goes away much sooner
maybe even sooner than reaching the max

[civic ocean]

When you run out of magic you have to let it go too or the shield just drops

[upper rapids]

and i dont mean overall duration cuz thats obvious

i mean the lingering moments of shielding when you nolonger invest magick into it

[civic ocean]

Basically it’s a very complicated move to use at frenzy 2 on surface

And im raging at getting hit a lot

[upper rapids]

oh im good dawg not reaching frenzy 2 for a long while even frenzy 1 screws me over

[median anvil]

if you're ever planning on getting used to frenzy go straight for 2, skip over 1

that'd mandate you resetting your muscle memory twice instead of once

[glass bone]

Also, I believe Frenzy helps out with Timer.

The 40% makes enemies spawn faster, so there’s a time save

[upper rapids]

makes sense
only tried it twice so far and id say i got lucky by facetanking a lot
but going double frenzy AND rivals right now, when i wanted to get my first win vs unrivaled typhon, wouldve been a nightmare

i welcome the tip and would prob do that but i also wanna try a few more runs on either 0 or 1 frenzy to get used to attack patterns

[glass bone]

The only thing I’d want to say about Frenzy 2 is it is rough learning the Rivals fights if you go straight to Frenzy 2. Especially 3 Surface and both 4’s. I guess Frenzy 1 could work as a way to ease into Frenzy 2, but as Pizza mentions here, that would be so messed up on muscle memory.

[upper rapids]

yep yep

[glass bone]

If you want to do Unrivaled Typhon, just turn off Frenzy to start tbh. I have beaten every single fight with Frenzy 2, except for that one atm.

[upper rapids]

then again not really learning anything from facetanking but still

[median anvil]

if it's the unrivaled fights then play a few more frenzy0 runs until you've learnt the movesets, then go to frenzy2

[upper rapids]

i wish the chaos trials had the last biomes like why do they not let us practice chronos or typhon

[glass bone]

Oh, actually… good idea for feedback. Where’s the trials for the rest of the rival bosses?

[upper rapids]

i get each move on its own but thinking ahead of where to position so as to dodge both chronos and typhon ( not dodge one and get hit by the other ) is the more annoying part
i might avoid a chronos spin attack and then typhon slams me like i wronged his wife

[civic ocean]

Personally I am not sure at 32 fear one clear levels of player skill that there is a meaningful difference in strategy between frenzy 0 and 2 UR typhon you are almost certainly just damage racing that guy either way

But surface statue requirements are only 24 so I don’t think you ought to turn frenzy or rivals 4 on at all

[quasi kayak]

I've heard people say EM4 Hades was unfair, do you still think the same is true for R4 (both bosses)?

[upper rapids]

so basically git gud cuz 32 fear one clear is far too little rn
and i agree

to be honest i was doing just rivals 4 fear and the 7 mins timer but i got mad and losing again and again with anubis so i kept adding fear to like punish myself
lose once? make it harder & get better or close the game for now

which is stupid yes

but ill have the time to get better and go higher than 32 fear im hoping

[civic ocean]

EM4 hades was really fun idk how unfair it was

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1399471412200079490/clip_1753730339114.mp4 getting there (barely)

that 47 onion looking at me

[undone tapir]

mechanics wise idrk how much strategy can change per se just practice and try to recognize telegraphs, mostly just youre obligated to build for big hit and run chunks/guerilla damage since you really cant stand anywhere for very long on frenzy 2.

id think a medea run would be a pretty safe way to get a 32 f clear, it feels pretty viable to fight rivals typhon if youre able to limp the build up the mountain, and hubris is free fear

[civic ocean]

I think the best strategy for typhon atm at lower fear (ie no grit or pain) is to assemble a build that deals thousands of damage per combo, take Engraved Pin or Knuckle Bones and just race him, being in his face and trying to reflex dodge his attacks

[upper rapids]

any particular reason for circe on 62 fear or just trying out the aspect

also good luck

[spiral wadi]

i've been grinding high fear circe for a week now

[upper rapids]

give em Hades

[spiral wadi]

highest i've won with is 58f

[civic ocean]

62 is the new 50 from warsong it’s the max fear you can play on without using Void

[upper rapids]

oh ye ik i was just asking if circe is specifically built for handling high fear

[spiral wadi]

ye

[civic ocean]

No weapon really is

[upper rapids]

fair

[civic ocean]

I think Circe is very powerful though

[spiral wadi]

yea not specifically but circe strong

[civic ocean]

Red is also playing circe like a psycho tho so theres that

REJECT META

[spiral wadi]

reject meta, return to dodging

i did recently switch back to boatman from excellence, 10 rerolls and 300 gold is very nice actually idk what i was on about

[upper rapids]

a connoisseur

[spiral wadi]

i think 62f just plays more strictly than 58f, less wiggle room

[undone tapir]

its because of the extra 4fear 👍

[spiral wadi]

tru

[upper rapids]

that sounds like math to me yep

solid calculation

[undone tapir]

happy to help guys just made sense

[upper rapids]

speaking of reject meta
funny how my first clear was on mel coat from what i recall, months ago when everyone hated on it and i didnt understand the issue

[civic ocean]

Coward

I am about to debut top right full bottom left corner blank Concave Stone start Selene so

[spiral wadi]

lesgo selene meta

[civic ocean]

If the weapon needs everything, can anything be bad? If not what do you need rerolls for

[spiral wadi]

can't even reroll on selene

[civic ocean]

I wanna do the side room ephyra project too

[spiral wadi]

what's that

[glass shell]

since ephyra has completly preset rooms of what connects to what, compiling the data of what rooms have side rooms and their odds for loot

presumably anyway

[spiral wadi]

ah cool

[formal pulsar]

my max fear so far this patch is 55. without r3 pain, r3 scars and forfeit. just hate forfeit, take the fun out of the game, and I am still not comfy enough with rivals bosses to play without healing. sooooo 55 it is.

but i also feel like unlike last patch 62f is harder UW than surface. p3 chronos is just another level of annoying compared to unrivaled typhon

[primal pulsar]

Hello all . Is there a site to have suggested builds for weapons and arkana or i just ask here?

[formal pulsar]

ask or search. game is changing a lot between patches since we are still in EA, so information is getting outdated fast.

no one wants to right a full guide only to be invalidated a patch later

[primal pulsar]

ask it is 🙂 I want a build to farm surface i got all the main weapons to 3-3 and some of the nocturals unlocked. all the animals exept the last one and i want to farm the surface but eris is the bane of my existence.

[formal pulsar]

what weapon/aspect do you like playing?

[primal pulsar]

very good question . i have played a lot but i am casual so far some weapons are mobile some are static.

i can do all builds i think i prefer the axe and its somewhat slow pace

[formal pulsar]

sorry i missed your prev reply

since you like the axe, you are in luck

best player in the game wrote a guide about the axe: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

most of it still valid

for the axe (mel aspect or than) you want apollo/hera/aphro on the attack boon
or any good % really

the best hammers are rapid slash and seething marauder (dashing heave if you play mel axe and then spam dash strikes)

the issue with the axe against eris in particular is that she likes to fly and not give you time to hit her

but eris turns very slow

so try to always stay behind her

unless she is close to wall then you stay far away

because eris with her back to the wall is 100 dmg to your face.

@primal pulsar please let me know if you have specific questions with any axe you like

[rocky pier]

Anyone know if flood gain works with possessed array?

[formal pulsar]

it doesnt

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1399488067886383274/Hades_II_-_2025-07-28_1-24-12_PM.mp4 froth hitch scorch go brr

[upper rapids]

wait you can upload files here

is it perm based

[spiral wadi]

nah it's just linking vids and it'll embed

[uneven palm]

This is not accurate. You can use possessed all you want during Flood Gain’s buff. You just don’t get the magick back. So it kinda works, or at least works in your favor enough that a couple seconds of free booms is nice

[frozen prairie]

whats the best skull build

[formal pulsar]

equip zeus keepsake and use medea skull, put zeus on special

[civic ocean]

Im a cro magnon fan myself

[frozen prairie]

huh

actully scratch that whats the strongest coat build cause im really struggling to have fun with it or go higher heat

[near moth]

are there any centrally located build guides/compilations? kinda like how there was for Hades 1?

[civic ocean]

Ill have an updated one soon but nothing atm

[uneven palm]

Probably when 1.0 is out stuff changes too much (i speak from experience)

[uneven palm]

Strongest coat is probably Nyx assemble some combination of Hestia Zeus Poseidon Hera Ares on attack/special and you’re cruising. Or Shiva put Apollo on attack, use Night, Omega punch a whole room

[glass shell]

i'd contend that the strongest possible coat is selene

Nyx ix overall stronger until that peak though probably

[upper rapids]

i am a shiva believer

[civic ocean]

They’re all pretty good

Extreme cook time: I think Selene doesn’t need rerolls

It wants every major find in the game I think

[upper rapids]

i mean as long as you get any ares boon

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think you can go ares k2 if you want

Or even K1

[upper rapids]

for surface probably can gamble and go k2

whats the general build for selene tho like does it use ares legendary for regen'

cuz thats what would maybe need rerolls but if you go for other regens then its not as relevant

[uneven palm]

For Selene, typically you start Moon Beam to power up skyfall immediately. You can do either Origination to power up the space lasers, Night for Omega cycling with big percentages on attack/special, or both

Ares godsent on Selene can be absolutely nuts, so adding that and Task Force (Athena) can kill some bosses for you

[civic ocean]

I think the things with Selene is:

-You want to use Omegas, either all 3 in combination or cycling between 2 at minumum

-You want every major find in the game

-You can start moon beam but I don't think Skyfall is that strong/relevant until biomes 3/4

So based off of that I am going to test 0 reroll Concave Stone

[upper rapids]

would you ever not take both orig and night?
origination is a given all the time
and for night what else would even be worth it? the huntress ( artemis one ) ?

[civic ocean]

Origination isn't a given all of the time it can be legitimately very hard to assemble alongside O move support

Like let's say I am going for the O attack and I take demeter and it's arctic ring or Weed Killer - what should I take?

[upper rapids]

well youre only going for omega attack so weed killer with any rarity
then again this is assuming the boons are mutually exclusive, maybe one was purged from the vow

[civic ocean]

thats the thing is that one does get purged from the vow so now I can't get arctic ring for origination right

I think it must be worth running Origination on Selene though simply because Lance of Ares applies a status

[upper rapids]

so often you run into getting two curses just for their general usefulness tho so i dont know why youd avoid it
unless youre not gonna fill the core slots at all for stuff like cast rush

[civic ocean]

But maybe that's wrong actually

Huh maybe Origination is actually kind of bad on Selene?

[upper rapids]

bad?

[civic ocean]

Yeah like - it very quickly becomes redundant if you take Ferocity

And Ambition is also stacking diminishingly with it

[upper rapids]

question is

[civic ocean]

And it stacks diminishingly with Shine too hmmmmmmge

[upper rapids]

would unseen be that much better
cuz idk what youd get for the 5 grasp

[civic ocean]

I think I am going to try Unseen yeah

[upper rapids]

like yea its diminishing but its still there

would you skip a % buff boon if you got it in a run

just cuz its diminishing

then again testing is welcome for both versions like i cant foresee the outcome of anything

[civic ocean]

Yes definitely! It's one of the main reasons I almost never take Blackened Fleece or Lion Fang lategame for instance - oftentimes I am somewhere around 220-250% damage increase and so their additions aren't important

[uneven palm]

When I've run Selene, the smoothest runs are honestly flat damage soup-y ones, ideally with something to make Omegas more expensive because then I'm doing Omega attacks less often

[upper rapids]

unseen being superseded by any gain boon since you do want a gain boon when you spam so many omegas
vs
orig stacking less over time after unlocking two path of stars boosts that might not show up ( can they not show up? dont know all the rares for any hex )

[upper rapids]

interesting
what else do you take? chaos, athena?

[civic ocean]

I don't think Superseded is the right way to look at it though - think of it as Unseen enabling a normally insufficient gain boon to support a mana hunbry playstyle because I am doing something different than what bacn is describing, I am trying to play Selene as an Omega move machine

[upper rapids]

hmmmm ok ok

[civic ocean]

Underworld if I don't need a specific god or hammer, or Athena, biome 3 is always Engraved Pin, then Biome 4 is Engraved Pin unless I got gift gift gift at which point it is Luckier Tooth

Surface is almost without fail now Knuckle Bones into Engraved Pin

[upper rapids]

so like maybe unseen and ... apollo or poseidon gain? both have downtimes and apollo for one doesnt necessarily restore all magick so having some supplemental restoration could help

[civic ocean]

I think the idea would be something like Unseen and then Grisly Gain or Glamour Gain or a lower level Tranquil or Ionic

The idea is that the gain doesn't matter with Unseen

[upper rapids]

i was also thinking grisly or glamour but that cant possibly keep up with high omega spam right

[civic ocean]

Maybe it can with Unseen until it builds into Sanguinary Savor right

[upper rapids]

does unseen work like chaos magick restore in the sense it only restores when not attacking or was it constant
i recall it being constant

cuz if its not then tranquil would do its job on its own so not much synergy there

[civic ocean]

Tranquil at 50% would be too slow but yeah its not a good example

Lucid might be like just playing extremely mana greedy but also not having to seek out Hera specifically

I got to thinking this because I actually primed out with epic BG against Rivals Prometheus yesterday

So I wondered if BG is actually sort of bad on this build but IDK

[upper rapids]

if its as spammy as a shiva or anubis special build then understandable cuz i also ran out

then again matter of surface vs underworld and dps
surface if you gamble for the medea magick boon kinda removes any worries for born gain
and if the dps is too low then born gain is bound to run out but that would have probably been a dead run anyway

[civic ocean]

I think I just like missed my Ocast a lot or something

[upper rapids]

lmao

apollo gain sounds cool to me idk why im stuck on that

skyfall cant backstab right

hmm apollo legendary omega spam selene

now that ive looked over others' win screenshots im wondering how the hades did i feel like my run here wasnt doing enough damage
#h2-victory-boasting message

highest recent damage screenshot is one with heph blasts at >500k but otherwise was doing a lot so idk why it didnt feel like it at all

[woeful moth]

Does supay not stager enemies anymore? I remember in the patch 10 attacks stagered enemies

[edgy nacelle]

yup, it’s in the patch notes, Supay no longer staggers

[civic ocean]

Something it does does stagger

[forest hinge]

do crits kick in before or after air quality? i assumed after but just checking

[civic ocean]

before, Air Quality looks at the damage calculation and if the final damage is less than 50 it sets it to 50

Same in reverse for Veneer IIRC

[uneven palm]

@upper rapids #h2-victory-boasting message Apollo attack is very good too. I just found Blitz usually worked out that just as I popped wards the bolt would drop for big damage and kill the thing so the practical dps was better

[forest hinge]

ohh ewwww... i do not like that LOL

[upper rapids]

Understandable
New fun idea for Shiva i guess so thanks

Maybe worth going for hera on purpose for rousing reception to pop wards

[uneven palm]

Its possible but you’re kinda boon limited at that fear, there’s other hitch tier2 things I’d prefer from Hera, and Rousing has the annoying habit of aggroing everything in Fields

The other nice thing about a Zeus start is Static Shock is in the pool and that handles Wards for you

[upper rapids]

I see i see

[floral void]

Ares or aphro for attack on artemis blades?

[pure grove]

i would take aphro over ares. the wound bonus is a one time thing with a really long cooldown to the point where aphro is just better consistency (and also just imagine the crit oattack)

[uneven palm]

Both are good. You can get more juice out of Ares if you get Sweeping Ambush cause of that huge multiplier on the hammer. But Aphro or Apollo are just good

[forest hinge]

is there any way to influence which Hex Selene offers you or is it just random?

[floral void]

Tyty I guess its just consistency vs occasional dopamine hit

[uneven palm]

Random

[uneven palm]

Exactly

I kinda prefer Ares on Special with Grievous Blow. Crit and Grievous triggering is a 6x multiple if you wanna dopamine hit

[floral void]

I was thinking heph cause I rarely use special and glow gives more damage towards attacks

[floral void]

but yea I'll try that, x6 sounds like actual drugs

[civic ocean]

That's one W for the Magnum Copus

[spiral wadi]

is it only rival chronos' 2nd phase that his time bubbles deal damage

[civic ocean]

The little ones in p1 do too

[spiral wadi]

ah

i just remember in p3 they don't seem to?

[civic ocean]

I don’t remember tbh im full surface pilled now

[spiral wadi]

real, how's that going

surface scares me cuz of how stricter everything is

[civic ocean]

I am for some reason trying to play way more exotic jank

Concave stone start all top right corner no bottom left corner selene coat

Skull with 30 hp start trying to go heirloom Antler

[spiral wadi]

lmao nice

reject meta

[civic ocean]

Fig leaf start blades

Still need the 39 with skull I am really goofing up Prom with it atm

[mellow condor]

Mega driver, looming ignition or boosted ignition for medea skull

[ebon reef]

Hello does killer current affect chain lightning?

[stable herald]

yes

[uneven palm]

Boosted. Looming’s not bad.

[frozen prairie]

best god for aspect of moriggon?

first thought was zeus but i dont really like zeus

[uneven palm]

Honestly anything is fine since it’s all supplementing Blood Triads anyway. Best in attack slot are probably Hera, Apollo, Hestia

[frozen prairie]

not aphro?

[uneven palm]

Aphro’s ok but the O attack sends out echo slashes that might be out of range

[frozen prairie]

yea fair thx

[uneven palm]

Give it a shot, I haven’t tested that extensively

[frozen prairie]

btw do u have any idea if aspect of mels backstab works on ty

[uneven palm]

Generally for attack, no. Specials, yes they’ll backstab on the way back

[slate trench]

did they un-nerf pan with the most recent patch? Feels like you can move right away after o-special again

[glass shell]

As of the 1st balance patch, you could always cancel out of the self stun. However this comes with a 4th nerf to the weapon in that it cancels all remaining daggers with no magick refund

example : 150 vs 300 damage despite spending all 30 mana both times

https://imgur.com/U1wYAjQ

[slate trench]

Thanks for the explanation, RIP pan

[rocky pier]

Does anyone know how multiple sources of crit work? Are they additive or are they rolled separately until something hits?

[uneven palm]

Additive

[glass shell]

additive, but specific things have restrictions

mel torch for instance is 10% attacks and specials only

But raki is 4% global

So for attacks its a 14% to crit, but your cast damage would need to roll that 4%

[woeful moth]

Damn, I almost got Kronos p3 50 fear. The run was also weird. I could only proc orig after the final shop.

[civic ocean]

Sounds like that grasp could go elsewhere

[viscid patrol]

I've got a rare opportunity in front of me, & I don't want to blow it.
Thanks to the Hera & Demeter Duo Boon, I've got multiple Rank 4 Keepsakes I can take to the summit, and a few Rank 3 ones that are worth it, too.
For one, there's Odysseus' Nuckle Bones. Shaving off 25% of Typhon's HP could be good if it works the same on him as the other bosses.
But there's also the tried and true, Schelemeus' Luckier Tooth. No further explanation needed.
But then there's Nem's Evil Eye, which is currently targeting Typhon.

But then there's the fact that I still haven't seen Athena yet tonight, so, it might be worth using her Gorgon Amulet to get some of her help, too.

There are good keepsakes I could use, but I'm not sure which one will help me.

[median anvil]

heroic evil eye goes hard because it's global damage

[cerulean panther]

Wait, for real?

[viscid patrol]

You mean it's effective for the whole Typhon fight? or the whole Summit?

[brave dove]

global in the sense that it applies to almost all damage you do, rare exceptions like blood triad aside

I'd take knucklebones if you're not comfortable on typhon yet

it'll skip to first eggs immediately, basically

[viscid patrol]

Ya, I've only seen his ugly mug a grand total of twice, thrice if this run keeps going like it has.
So, thanks.

[civic ocean]

White Antler

[viscid patrol]

Too late, I've gone out with the knucklebones.

Plus, the antler would have only been Rank 2.

[stark mulch]

I take knuckle bones 99% of the time

[willow phoenix]

I've been using Lion Fang mostly for Typhon

Global damage and not limited to a single unit like evil eye

[daring spade]

Hello, could someone explain to me the difference between finding a boon and being offered a boon ? I don't know which arcana to pick between excellence and divinity

[civic ocean]

Same thing IIRC

Interesting that you are choosing between Divinity and another card - Divinity cannot be selected or deselected easily

[daring spade]

yeah I realized that by changing a lot of cards

[glass bone]

So I just got my second 40F clear thanks to @brave dove . Figured to try out the Weed Killer Strat, and it worked perfectly.

That being said, I have also felt the pain of Rivals Hecate Timer 3. Ended the fight at 5:00.99. 1 millisecond away from damage.

[brave dove]

Demeter Nergal is genuinely legit if you want to play with a big margin of safety, yeah

well, demeter a few things tbh with weed killer

but nergal's the easiest case to make and what I assume you're referring to, though I think I have also mentioned it can work on sweeping ambush knives builds

[glass bone]

To be honest, I didn’t actually get the Weed Killer until Chronos on my winning attempt, so I need to try this again when I try to push near 50.

Yes, it was Nergal. Don’t know how I didn’t say it, but yes.

And because I didn’t have Weed Killer till then, it was actually just a showcase of Psychic + Furious Whirlwind. Still a fun run tho

[lunar anvil]

whats a good starter boon for base torches, dont got ares unlocked and i dont feel like doing another hestia run

[shrewd swallow]

does anyone have any tips for getting the Legendaries from Hestia and hermes? Have now done several runs trying to main Hestia with Aspect of Supay and no Fear (simply for preserving my hand's health lol), and even when I finally get all three required boons from her, the legendary still doesn't show up. Those two and Ares's Godsend are the only Prophecies I still need to complete (save for story-blocked content).

[civic ocean]

Take Excellence and look for Yarn of Ariadne and the Chaos rarity increase boons, these can raise your chance

Also make sure to go to the tartarus miniboss as well

For ares godsent you need to be playing aspect of selene

[glass bone]

If you just want to get it, turn on Excellence, grab the God Keepsake for Hestia, go to the Surface, and just try it out. Hermes is harder, since you need 2 boons, so id argue Surface is also better there due to the shrines (if you have then unlocked.)
Then never do this again, because both legendaries are… not… great…

[shrewd swallow]

thx, I'll try that out!

[civic ocean]

If you want a good chance at getting the Hermes legendary, start Concave Stone from Echo and reset your run until you get a hermes start for two boons and then go surface where you can buy boons of his and find them more easily

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1399836701802889357/Hades_II_-_2025-07-29_12-30-20_PM.mp4 atrocious

[lunar anvil]

hey any good starter boons for aspect of momus alongside how i should use it?

[uneven palm]

O cast to pin things, then lay down Omega turrets for whichever of your favorite attack or special. Hammers will probably determine which your favorite is. Put big percentages (Apollo, Hera, Aphro, maybe Demeter, maybe Ares) or high-rarity Blitz on attack special, get a robust gain (Hera, Zeus, Poseidon), and grab anything that boosts Omega moves especially the cast

[olive sphinx]

recommending Poseidon on momus is a bit iffy imo.... what do you do during the 8 second cooldown? just run around wasting your time?

Hera/Zeus/Demeter gains are the best ones for momus imo

with demeter gain you just stand for 1-2 seconds and you're done, with poseidon it's 8 whole seconds of nothing

[uneven palm]

Those are better but Poseidon’s ok. Half of those cooldown seconds you have turrets doing stuff.

Just bonk stuff while the turrets are going, like you’d do with any other gain

[olive sphinx]

yeah but you need to be mindful then to refresh all the turrets right before the cooldown starts which can be kinda unintuitive

[uneven palm]

I just kinda think of it like oh sometimes Omegas are free for a while

[olive sphinx]

i guess i just have a personal hang up against not being able to sustain my build/rotation 😔 idk why it irritates me so much, so poseidon gain is one of my least fav gains, next to glamour gain or something

[uneven palm]

Like I said, would probably be my fourth or fifth choice

[olive sphinx]

yeah that makes sense

[civic ocean]

Momus is extremely boon greedy so I recommend Unseen to make you not have to give up something really strong to get a gain

Basically WC Geyser Spout and a good Oattack or Ospec and you can win at a very high level with Night

[uneven palm]

That's funny I see Momus as kinda boon-lite. Just get big percentages on the cores and you're fine

There's like a dozen desirable O cast boons now I'll grant that

[last cape]

I'm struggling to know what keepsakes to take region 2 with death

I was taking phial or athena with strength every run before lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266472665695260675/1399861893757272127/2048D61.JPG?ex=688a8a7b&is=688938fb&hm=35e6919fa2b27370bacb1a4e04b45ec35967382e0da06e2537dc548f0a842bb6&