h2-builds-and-combat

[cyan rock]

i dont. if thats the meta build why would i be mad that they told me.

you are being oddly obtuse about a very normal question i asked lol

[brazen ore]

the complaining is more about the stealth nerf than it being a nerf. I think people also generally would've preferred DDs be buffed rather than strength be nerfed but thats sor tof a paradigm thing

[brave dove]

like the ultimate high roll build on supay is probably romantic spark + thermal dynamics + freezer burn + zeus legendary

I wouldn't call it meta because lmao you're not getting all of that on a normal run

you can't really plan around it

[brazen ore]

i think they mean meta in the sense of most effective tactic available, not necessarily what you're actually going to end up with

[willow phoenix]

wouldn't aiming for ransom do more damage?

[brave dove]

I might say that any combination of zeus/hestia/poseidon is meta

[cyan rock]

see was that so hard to say. thanks for the answer!

[brave dove]

but that's a very different thing to 'a build'

[woeful moth]

Wait, what do you mean stealth? Like the boon from hades?

[brave dove]

and it also doesn't match the definition you gave me like ten seconds ago

[cyan rock]

its really not that hard lol
and so what if its hard.

[brazen ore]

No I mean stealth as in like, it wasn't put in the patch notes

[woeful moth]

ah

[brazen ore]

it was nerfed stealthily, not openly

[cyan rock]

why? if rolling that is what makes high heat the best then why would it not.

[brazen ore]

i realize that was poor wording on my point sorry

[brave dove]

you're never getting that build on ultra high fear without god's own luck because high fear severely reduces your boon count

high roll builds are for anyfear not high fear

[brave dove]

even with god's own luck I'm genuinely not sure you have the boon count to hit all prereqs

at least not in UW

[cyan rock]

then yah that doesnt answer my question lol.
but good to know people are having fun with that.
and its still a meta build for low heat which is cool.
i really dont get the resistance to my question here.

[brave dove]

this is why I was so 'ehh' about 'what qualifies as meta', high fear builds and speedrun builds often look more not less 'budget' than casual builds

[cyan rock]

so what is the high heat one? if you dont know thats fine im just asking lol.

[brazen ore]

so then i guess like, when people run supay on high fear and pick a god keepsake for the first room, what do they pick and what are they hoping to see

[brave dove]

just run hestia dash and you're fine, really

put added damage on your special and a curse on your attack

[cyan rock]

really hestia deash is the high heat play right now?
crazy. doesnt look that good on the surface.
ill have to try it out.

[brazen ore]

its very good on supa y

[brave dove]

hestia dash gives you a free erebus and erebus is the hardest part of high fear UW

for surface you can swing for high roll builds a bit better because of ephyra, any of the scorch duos or blitz duos will work well, really

[jagged zinc]

because he has a point. you need to adapt and learn for 95% of your runs. even with supay zeus/hestia/poseidon like he said, your build will suck if you end up getting Demeter Magick Regen or even 0 Hermes boons like better dash/gold/speed makes it meh

[brave dove]

there's probably a couple of exceptions

[cyan rock]

lol no. what i meant was not that hard to understand.
also no u really dont have to at all.
you can in fact just quit runs that dont go well and force it to hit a higher heat.

u can also do what you are describing but you def dont have to.

[brave dove]

literally no one is resetting in region 3

resets are if you don't get what you want very early, mostly

which can be controlled with the salute and lots of people do do that - that's why high fear and anyfear players assume you start with a heroic boon of your choice

[cyan rock]

sure but by then you have the basics of the build already or have already quit?
if your build still NEEDS not just WANTS things that late ur doing it wrong.

[brave dove]

the exception to this is ultra high fear when you know you'll lose to the timer anyway but that applies to, as far as I know, three players right now

[jagged zinc]

Even getting the right atk / special is annoying on Surface because you get one god multiple times on the 6 pillar zone that it makes it hard to avoid

[pliant pier]

"meta" is not "strongest possible", "meta" is "strongest with the least setup", or at least that's how the term is generally used in the high fear & any fear communities. In that sense, the meta build for Supay is hestia sprint for any fear and a mix of good core boons for high fear, romspark being optimal for late game

poseidon sprint is technically best in slot for high fear, but what really carries is how good your core boons synergize

you aren't beating 62 fear chronos with just poseidon sprint

[brave dove]

just take excellence for king tide right

[cyan rock]

yah fair. strongest reasonable to attain is probably more accurate.
that being said.
my initial question was "has a meta build for high heat supay been fleshed out yet?"
which is a very normal question and very understandable by ur definition as well
u only started trying to explain because of being told it was an unclear question.
which its really not.

[pliant pier]

lmfao the +50% is possibly the biggest scam in this update, i really hope they buff it to be +25% additive and not +50% multiplicative

[brave dove]

yeah

[cosmic steppe]

Finally got a game in after a week, and apparently all it takes to no diff no-frenzy r3 prom is to nuke him first

[cyan rock]

also thanks for answering what the build is!

[brazen ore]

yeah i feel like by the definition of meta as Most Effective Tactic Available then it is a completely fair question to ask what that most effective tactic is. cause like there is a meta. no one's taking glamour rush.

[pliant pier]

ah yes, identical to the only way to avoid damage on frenzy 2 r2 eris: phase her before she hits you with her unfair lasers

[brazen ore]

i really wish it was more clear when "+X%" is additive vs multiplicative. i think most things are multiplicative but iirc at least a couple things are additive and that's very weird to me

[cosmic steppe]

It really is ironic that the most wanky ahh hidden aspect gives you the courtesy of skipping the most cancerous part of her fight entirely

[brave dove]

actually glamour rush strats kinda got buffed this update

[silent crow]

why is it multiplicative none of the other boon rarity stuff works like that 💔💔

[brave dove]

the 1 sec weak duration means you can reapply aphro legendary every dash, basically

[brazen ore]

intriguing. i have never heard of such strats

[brave dove]

I still wouldn't build around it but I've taken glamour rush and aimed for aphro legendary a couple of times recently

infinite curses upon ye

[brazen ore]

interesting

[pliant pier]

that's what gets me, this is literally the only stated rarity bonus in the game that is multiplicative. my feedback #h2-feedback message dives deep into explaining why it's such a garbage bonus as well

[cyan rock]

oh hestia dash damage isnt scorch.
i just kinda assumed it was.
makes much more sense why this is good now.

[dapper elbow]

What is the best starting god for supay

[stable herald]

Zeus, but Hestia is really good too

I always try and get Zeus special and Romantic Spark (Zeus/Aphrodite) on Supay, just sprint into everything and win. Zeus and Hestia both have really good rush boons too which Supay buffs

oh and Arc Flash is great on Supay ofc

[pine spade]

I'm working on Surface Rivals 3rd boss. Is the trick to lock Herc for the frogger intermission? Or just learn to time dashes during the flames? Or are we just supposed to manage Herc while remembering where to stand? Guess I could do that, but juggling it that way is not really a lot of fun.

[fading shore]

#h2-victory-boasting message
Check out this build

[stable herald]

I run away from him while focusing on the memory game, maybe try to sneak in a few hits if he's close to me and we're in a clear lane. He's strong but not fast so the flames are a higher priority

[fading shore]

For me avoiding heracles and remembering patters at the same time is not really hard

i can take a few hits from herc during this phase

[brave dove]

kiting heracles is actually very simple once you calm down, which did take me a few tries to be able to do

[fading shore]

but he hits for like 10-15 dmg if u play with strength

which is not that much dmg considering flame does 60

[stable herald]

calm down? lol that entire fight is just me panicking until Heracles and Prometheus are down

[fading shore]

this fight is actually that much harder

if u play hera its like walk in the park

[stable herald]

Hitching them is very fun, yes. Usually they end up going down around the same time for me, I don't like KOing them one at a time

[pine spade]

I only had the one attempt so far and it went mostly well, just second frogger was hectic. Just curious if just kiting was intended or if that was brute forcing it or if there was another trick to it.

[brave dove]

I usually drop prom way earlier

he's much better at keeping up with me so he gets hit more and he has less hp

[fading shore]

also focusing prometheus is probably better idea

because in his first phase all of his attacks are empowered

but in the second phase only every third

[dusky thicket]

Rivals Chronos is giving me a hard time, any tips? Just feels like for any 1 thing I can do he throws way more at me

[brave dove]

some of his attacks you Just Run From

like if there's a clone active or he's dashing at you, do not engage, drop a cast and Go

for his 12 laserbeams that he opens p3 with and sometimes decides to do again, run a clockwise circle around the arena as he goes

otherwise I can provide footage but you just need to like, find a way forward through it

play a ranged build if you can, it's significantly easier if you can run and gun, particularly with a strong lightning lance/glowing ember cast

[fading shore]

Range

if u can stay away and still hit him this fight is really easy

seeking projectiles also helps

like xinth special

I had run with cast build and I took Hades cast boon

[jagged zinc]

oh I thought it was the opposite. Heracles is going berzerk if you kill Prometheus first, but Prometheus doesnt react if Heracles dies, or am I tripping ?

[fading shore]

idk actually

always focused prometheus first

prometheus is much bigger threat than herc

[jagged zinc]

Yes but I need full attention to dodge Prometheus while Heracles is easy to lure somewhere alone and full dps. Well to each their own anyway :d

[fading shore]

i mean

if u focus herc first prometheus is in his first phase whole fight

and all of his attack are empowered

thats the thing

once u kill prometheus the fight is pretty much over

heracles is like an annoying moscito in this fight

[jagged zinc]

Yeah but he also attacks less often and Heracles will follow you like a puppy so it's easier to make it 1v1v1 this way imo

It's not that hard of a focus, usually I end up 30% Prometheus, Heracles down

but i find more dps window this way

[fading shore]

I though your idea was that to hard focus heralces so then u have a regular prometheus fight

but in this case I dont really think there is that much of difference to who finish first

I like to hard focus prometheus because its like muscle memory

and also he has summons

[plush vapor]

what are ppl using for nergal atk
i was thinking aphro then shoot for ares legendary

[fading shore]

which go away if u trigger second memory game

[fading shore]

Idk actually just dont play nergal atk XD

#h2-builds-and-combat message

you either get double attack hammer or its unplayable

[plush vapor]

😭

ill try a special build then i saw someone wipe typhon with it

[fading shore]

its link to my special run

[plush vapor]

yeah ty ill give it a go

[jagged zinc]

ah thanks this weapon destroyed my confidence so hard :d

[fading shore]

special is decent

dmg is kinda underwhelming at first

but its getting better with apollo legendary and/or giga cleaver hammer

[jagged zinc]

Yes but yeah, it's quite rng

[leaden zephyr]

is there any place/list/website that lists good builds for low fear (32ish) ?

[brave dove]

32 is only low fear for the deranged, there's a site that collects vods though

Will link when back at a pc if no one beats me to it

[stable herald]

imo they really didn't need to lower the surface fear requirement for the gifts of the veil

[brave dove]

Depends on whether or not poly was intended to be this relatively difficuly

Difficult*

[brave dove]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[onyx wave]

I have no idea how Aspect of Persephone skull works, please help

[brazen ore]

you get a meter next to your mana bar that charges up with the amount of god damage you do (god damage being things like hestia's scorch, zeus's blitz, ares's blades, etc.) when it is full, your ospecial lasts longer.

it also has a passive of pomming all the boons you run across with a random level depending on how high you have it upgraded

[onyx wave]

my meter said 4/4 but it wasn't glowing and my ospecial didn't get extended

[cerulean panther]

The "4/4" is how many skulls you have in your possession at that moment.

It's unrelated to Persephone's schtick.

[onyx wave]

oh you're hella truing

[civic ocean]

Alright back from hiatus

Has anybody done the analysis on the new scorch tick rate

[elfin forge]

is it different from 1/6 a second?

[civic ocean]

I'm reading the notes and it just says "improved damage tick rate"

[elfin forge]

hm

damage rate

the damage went from 80 dps to 100 dps

[civic ocean]

Sorry, Air Quality does HOW MUCH now????

[elfin forge]

50

[civic ocean]

We're SO back omg

[elfin forge]

zeus remains cracked

blitz did get a bit nerfed though, including its poms

[civic ocean]

There's a lot of support for Air Fryer now its pretty cool

[jagged zinc]

I tried Hel aspect with Ospecial Hepha, Hestia duo because the proc is kinda ensured (i guess ?), still bad 😂

Even for Selene spell for Hepha was bad, definitely a filling god

[manic harbor]

Ok, this is obviously going to be a bit debatable, but what is the highest single hit damage possible? I don't care if it's only speculation and you would need a ridiculous number of boons, but what is the highest number you could actually achieve, not counting things like Shocking Loss or the Dionysus 555 thing.

[sudden inlet]

I’ve hit Typhon for over 1100 before with a Raki crit

[manic harbor]

I think it would be too difficult for me to figure it out, but I bet with the right combination, you could probably hit for way more than that even, it would take too much math and thinking for me to figure out though. Lol

[cerulean panther]

The highest single hit I've ever seen was a crit backstab Aphrodite's Greater Aid back in H1 Early Access.

Smacked Dad in the back of the head for 14k. I'm not sure what could be the peak in H2.

[manic harbor]

Another weird one here, is it possible to get a boon from every god and Selene in one run? I remember reading about how it was hypothetically possible in H1 to do so with luck and specific use of trinkets if you could get a shop really early that had a 3rd god that led to a 4th god in the next room . Wonder if it would be possible in H2 as well.

[sudden inlet]

Not really.

[cerulean panther]

I think you'd need to swing 5 Olympians in the first biome and then take Keepsakes in the next 3.

[sudden inlet]

You can get most but that would require keepsakes

Ephyra you can get like 4 or 5 depending on if Hermes is there or not

Last run I did I had Aphro first room then main hub was Apollo, Hermes, Ares, and Demeter

[cerulean panther]

Oh, right, there's 9 full Olympians in H2. I take back what I said, I don't think that's possible in H2.

[manic harbor]

I actually wonder if there's was special dialogue in H1 if you got to Hades with a boon from every god. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there is.

[brave dove]

it's technically possible to get 6 gods in region 1 for the surface, I believe

just exceedingly unlikely

[manic harbor]

I mean, there's an alternate voice line if you pushed Skelly to the end of the overlook using the shield and gave him a nectar there, so it wouldn't surprise me if they had a line for reaching Hades with a boon from each god.

[sudden inlet]

I don’t know but I know if you show up with Sisyphus’ keepsake and no God boons in H1 his reaction is basically “What’s the matter? Did you get too trigger happy at a Pool of Purging?”

[manic harbor]

No, I never saw that one. Man, I love when devs have so much attention to detail that they have something for basically any scenario, even if next to nobody will actually see it.

[ocean ibex]

what is the indicator on hel for?

[plush vapor]

when ur fast shootingatk is active

[ocean ibex]

what is the number for

[plush vapor]

idk
i might be wrong i just kinda guessed

[cerulean panther]

Indicator is for Valkyrie Mode.

[ocean ibex]

right, what is the number for

[cerulean panther]

That I have no idea.

I fired up H2 momentarily to check for the indicator and was confused by the numbers.

[night bobcat]

maybe a silly question, but do Wards cancel Corrosion on Sight?

[ocean ibex]

yes, but the ward that takes the hit does go away

[night bobcat]

ohh I see. thank you!

[spare kite]

pretty sure wards doesn't cancel it?

[ocean ibex]

they mean cancel as in "prevents the enemy from losing that health"

[spare kite]

ik that, but I've seen something like the yargonaut lose the 50% armor even with wards on

[ocean ibex]

i got the two confused

[spare kite]

the only time I saw wards blocking it was someone using a mod

[ocean ibex]

whats the one that does 1-999 damage

[brave dove]

suffering on sight

[ocean ibex]

i was wrong, no it does not

[wary kernel]

So, after the META setled, what is the gods tier list?

[night bobcat]

oh right! understood. thank you again

[ocean ibex]

i got confused with suffering on sight, which does 1-999 damage to foes, oops

[spiral wadi]

does heph cast get changed to no longer speed up from hermes' faster cast, starting to run funny builds and wiki might be outdated

actually kinda fun to get multiple hammers on screen, i don't mind it

[wintry wasp]

Guys, what's a good build for Supay? I'm thinking Hera on cast/special and static shock but Idk what to do for the rest?

[night bobcat]

I've used poseidon special + hera cast with some aphrodite and ares on the side

[plush vapor]

got nergal with both 3x specials was so epic

[plush vapor]

a lot of stuff works
poseidon, zeus, ares, hestia

stick any of them together

[sterile portal]

is persephone bad or am i using it wrong

it seems to build the special meter very slowly

[elfin forge]

it scales off of olympian damage so it depends on which olympians you pick for that damage

[civic ocean]

what are you using to build the meter

[elfin forge]

if you have something like aphro or apollo you will have very few sources

if you have hestia or zeus you'll have a bunch

[sterile portal]

i tried poseidon, figured it would work the fastest

i didnt know scorch counted lol maybe thats better

[civic ocean]

I wonder if clang gang goes crazy with it

[jagged zinc]

@willow phoenix hey, do you know if there are some conditions for the deified spells plz ? With ares keepsake I was getting his spell 100%, but with apollo it doesnt work

[elfin forge]

you mean godsent hexes?

[jagged zinc]

yes sry

[elfin forge]

you need a boon picked up before you pick up your hex

[jagged zinc]

Yep I did that

[elfin forge]

the one exception is ares hex, that one is paired with selene aspect

[jagged zinc]

Oooh

[elfin forge]

if you're on selene aspect, the only godsent you can do is ares

if you want the others, take off selene aspect

[jagged zinc]

Ok I wanted to try several hexes with Selene lol

[elfin forge]

selene aspect can only get one hex

[jagged zinc]

tyty

[muted saddle]

just had one of the craziest builds ive ever had in the random chaos trial

wish i could link the screenshot in here

[young bloom]

yall WHERE do i upgrade my familiars. i’ve been playing since ea release and didnt know i could do that until last week 😭

[cerulean panther]

@muted saddle Try in #h2-victory-boasting

[brave dove]

you need an incant that lets you craft the beast treats at the cauldron and then you can feed them

[young bloom]

i’ve been crafting them, i just can’t find where i’m supposed to feed them at 💔

[brave dove]

gift them in the training grounds

[young bloom]

thank you…

[sudden inlet]

There isn’t really a set one because different aspects want different things but Hestia, Zeus, Poseidon are usually best for just straight up damage afaik. Scorch is stupidly busted right now.

[atomic ibex]

Does Polythemus have any attacks that can be blocked by the coat?

[cerulean panther]

His ground slap?

[ornate acorn]

Is there an aspect guide anywhere

[willow phoenix]

Each hex is tied to a specific god only. If you have that god's keepsake or boons before getting the hex from Selene, you get the godsent version

[ornate acorn]

And is dd or str better now?

[willow phoenix]

Skyfall is tied to ares and sadly that means you can't get ares godsent outside of playing selene coat

[elfin forge]

I'd probably stick with strength but a lot of high end players are switching to DD now

[ornate acorn]

Im doing low fear atm just trying to clear vor

I did 32 fear b4 update

Also does origination work on scorch?

[elfin forge]

yes

[ornate acorn]

Oh wow

[elfin forge]

origination is global damage buff
scorch benefits from global damage buffs

[ornate acorn]

That was changed recebtly right?

[elfin forge]

uh no I believe it always did

[ornate acorn]

Oh.. so whats the meta arcana picks now then? And wb keepsakes? Fig leaf seems very bad now. God-> God -> Vial -> Knuckle?

[elfin forge]

keepsakes are kind of the same, if strength + athena keepsake is still good

and I don't think anything major about Arcana has been shaken up from last patch if you knew the meta there

Left column, Reroll corner, Origination, Huntress, Wayward Son, Persistence, Strength/Death

[gray flame]

How come? Couldn’t you get Ares first?

[elfin forge]

skyfall is a hex exclusive to selene aspect

[gray flame]

Oh I see

[mental sluice]

Is it a hot take to say that with Frenzy 2 on I find VoR Hecate to be more difficult than VoR Polyphemus? Feels like I have to either have some way to do a big burst of damage or I'm just stuck poking her and dodging through her waves

[elfin forge]

ooh that's a hard question to answer

[mental sluice]

At the very least, I'll say that I find more melee aspects to be more difficult on her than Polyphemus. Feels like she punishes you more or that there's less opportunity to get away if she gets you.

[burnt pollen]

yall got any advice/builds for 20 fear on the axe?

[elfin forge]

don't turn on wards

[burnt pollen]

o yea ik

[wintry ore]

frenzy also seems like it'd be pretty miserable on axe

[elfin forge]

it's doable, but yeah

I would do something like aphro attack, hestia special, hera cast, something like that

[devout yarrow]

When you have hearty appetite is sea star genuinely viable

I did it, i rarify sea star

Uncanny fortitude

[glass tapir]

I'd do Apollo attack over aphrodite, the percent difference isn't as big as for specials and the extra aoe is a big deal

[elfin forge]

wait isn't the percent difference the same

oh wait the difference widens with rarity

[glass tapir]

Yeah, heroic special is like 300 percent on Aphrodite and 120? 150? For apollo

[leaden zephyr]

@brave dove thank you very much

[sudden inlet]

If you do Frenzy 2 you might want to look for Demeter attack just for the crowd control

[hexed frost]

Anyone have a good nergal build

[rain wagon]

Had a breeze on 32 fear with Apollo Special & Legendary, pair it with good magick restoration and that's it.

[sweet wagon]

is there a BIS for the cloak? I have selene aspect

[tall notch]

I think Polyphemus is more mechanically challenging but Hecate takes longer because of all the jumps and area denial

[tall notch]

Nyx in my unbiased opinion

[tall notch]

Try clicking night and alternating between oattack and ospecial for crit dmg and almost permanent enrage

[pallid pelican]

does flood gain proc off possessed array?

[sudden inlet]

Hecate is more annoying because of the phantoms and the twilight curse going threefold because haha triple goddess

Polyphemus inflicting poison and the arena size with Medea doesn’t help at all

[tall notch]

Like poly is challenging but it is also a very dynamic fight. Both his and your health go down quickly. I like it ngl

[fringe lichen]

Was Polyphemus's grab hitbox always this bs, is it just that I had too long of a break or did they change them

[tall notch]

After fighting a chained ogre in Sekiro I'm never calling another grab hitbox bs

[ornate acorn]

I had my first bs moment last night

What do you go for on the hidden aspect of the skull?

[atomic ibex]

I like Poseidon Attack, plus Slippery Slope, Static Shock, and King Tide

If possible, go for Ares Special, and get Arterial Spray

[indigo viper]

When they nerfed/changed armor's hammer and the night's arcana card?

[spare kite]

? Night has never been nerfed afaik
And idk wym with the first

[indigo viper]

I mean, night was changed from combination attack-special omega gives you crit chance to dash gives you more dimg

And for hammer - i mean add/show fixed value (e.q. 900 armor) rather than %

[spare kite]

Oh those, cuz % of armor was busted

[spare kite]

? Is still the crit chance no

[indigo viper]

Oh, I checked with eng ver. Seems like in pl translate it's quite unfortunate mistranslation. I'll report it
And yeah, % of armor was too op, i wish that would be instead Hephasteus' boons.

[brave dove]

wasn't old night +power to omega casts?

[spare kite]

nah that was another

I think

[indigo viper]

It's be still critical chance before. And seems like still ist. Just unfortunate mistranslation.

[brave dove]

huh okay

[uneven palm]

Night used to be +power on the cast yeah

[indigo viper]

Sorry for causing chaos. I don't play in english version and I genuly thought that they changed it. and didn't notice when they change hammer's stuff

[uneven palm]

Death was the Crit Omega combo one but they renamed it to Night a patch or two ago. No worries it’s hard to track all the EA changes

[spare kite]

Armor hammer change was from this patch dw

[rocky pier]

Hi folks, I’m stuck on Eris. Doing some reading it seems like Hestia’s sprint was very helpful for this fight, but since they moved that effect to a legendary (lol) are there any other boons that can make this fight fair?

My issue isn’t the attacks themselves, it’s really the issue that her telegraphs don’t really give you enough time to dodge her attacks. And a lot of them track way too hard imo.

[willow phoenix]

Base eris? Ngl best I can say is just don't get hit lol, there isn't really much to say about the boss. It's not worth greeding out an extra hit as she will keep getting more damage buffs the longer the fight goes on. She has indicators near her when she's about to attack

Oh use the pillars and mostly just stay behind her

[uneven palm]

Stick to her like glue and keep dashing behind her. She doesn’t turn fast at all once she’s shooting. If she’s flown off, stick to a pillar for cover.

[dapper elbow]

What attack boons work with supay?

[wary kernel]

i thought there would be multiple godsent versions for each hex

[willow phoenix]

sadly no, probably too much work lol

[wary kernel]

modders, rise up!

will this game have a steam workshop?

[brave dove]

anything that applies a decent curse, really

[glass tapir]

Zeus goes pretty hard

[rocky pier]

Is Hestia attack good at all? It seems like it melts Hecate but then struggles at Scylla or later. On daggers, btw, since it can keep it maxed consistently.

[quartz parrot]

Yea eris is hard the first few times but when you learn the atacks theres really nothing to it

[atomic ibex]

You want to get something to buff scorch damage. Pyro Technique, Freezer Burn and Air Quality are best, and any universal damage buff of course

[polar ravine]

so going scorcht, freezer burn, air quality is a pretty consistant combo?

[pallid pelican]

is it even possible to dodge the lasers?

[quartz parrot]

not VoR

[pallid pelican]

it feels so bad when you play melee

[polar ravine]

not that im aware of. i found dashing through her to minimize hits.....................sometimes

[pallid pelican]

try to get close, she stuns you and flies away

then come the lasers, and the bombs that you cant destroy unless youre range

[polar ravine]

yeah she minimizes but stops the laser

as long as you get behind her

[pallid pelican]

im not saying shes too difficult to beat

but a boss should be possible to no hit.

[polar ravine]

idk. im just giving something that worked for me. i didnt find any way to no hit that.......i think

to be fair even in my fastest run she got a few hits on me

but not enough to get through the barriers i had so i didnt take much if any health until i messed up near the end

[pallid pelican]

i was trying a morrigan antler run

she sent me back to the crossroads really fast

[polar ravine]

morrigan.......the knives one?

[pallid pelican]

yea

[polar ravine]

the one where you hit with attack, special, omega deals a flat 777 dmg?

[pallid pelican]

this one

[polar ravine]

it.......definitely needs some tweaking

[pallid pelican]

nah its pretty good once you learn the combos

dash special omega attack cancels the attack animation

or dashstrike omega attack special

[polar ravine]

but honestly morrigan is difficult for me to land on her the one time i made it to her with rivals 2 since she kept outside my range and my specials were too slow to hit her consistantly

[pallid pelican]

• if you run appolo you can get double triggers with the legendary. 4 in less than 1.5 sec with the hammer and some luck

[pallid pelican]

i think its not the special the issue you can insta cast it as you land O atk. the problem is that youre locked out of O atk windup if you're mid atk combo, you can only hold omega atk reliably after a Dash

[polar ravine]

yeah its a bit more im not used to using it rather than a fundamental issue i think

[pallid pelican]

idk i think its a bit of both

[brave dove]

as so, @lone mirage: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1388939328054366298/image.png?ex=6862ce0d&is=68617c8d&hm=0b1a6ca79d01ed1358e35e1c3b59b0afe42040dffe6dc8a3ea74b540cbd31c58&

[lone mirage]

ty

[brave dove]

for the record no I don't really agree with this

Do you have a link to the tiermaker? They're a bit silly but they can be fun, so I'll draw mine up

[lone mirage]

what is wrong? bunch of stuff i havnt tried too much thats why i made it

yea 2s

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-all-nocturnal-arms-unseen-update-16044660

[wild sun]

I got nearly 1000% from Ares plasma while fighting Typhon. Eventually he whittled me down to 40 health and the heal-on-strike boon from Ares kicked in, so I spent a phase and a half stabbing him in the face before the rate of damage dealt to me finally outpaced my rate of healing.

A most amusing demise

[brave dove]

I'd probably go with something like this, though I only put serious thought into S-tier I will admit, everything else was vibes-based: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874854721968541736/1388941987868311652/image.png?ex=6862d087&is=68617f07&hm=9ddb32401be7d4430589689b9f37cd233efbf5dbfc927c768ef720202a8b2b52&

I've tried to have them be ordered left to right as well, with left as more powerful

circe would be over supay and probably anubis if gale and hecuba both didn't suck with circe

[magic moss]

circe in S is wild

i would love to hear the reasoning

[brave dove]

You don't think? The native damage on the leash is wild even without getting into double cast

[lone mirage]

wait i hadnt even thought of the fact that circe got a rework

[magic moss]

the damage on the leash is negligible and more of an added bonus rather than something you play around

[brave dove]

like circe is a bit awkward but the numbers are insane, the issue is that I find it basically unplayable without either raki or toula

[lone mirage]

artemis and pan in b is insane, did they get nerfed in the unseen update cus they def were s/a tier before

[brave dove]

it's 150 dps!

pan did get nerfed quite harshly, yes

[lone mirage]

damn

[silent crow]

did mel axe rly fall off that hard

[brave dove]

like genuinely it's more than scorch by default and it's amped by global damage modifiers including crit

[silent crow]

pan got nerfed

[lone mirage]

i feel like artemis is rly good and underated, its a free 2x dps and a block every 15s

[brave dove]

mel axe just feels like if you don't have dashing heave you have to play exceptionally well to achieve the same result every other weapon can get without said exceptional play, but also this may just be me foolish laughed at me when I called mel axe one of the hardest weapons

[glass shell]

You don't believe the double cast alone is worth being S tier when built around?

leash is bonus damage you ignore i agree, but it could outright remove the leash and i'd still call it S tier

[brave dove]

like fwiw circe is one of only two aspects I first-tried unrivaled chronos with

[silent crow]

what fear is the tierlist based on

the current standards like 60 right

[magic moss]

double cast is strong but imo heavily overrated

[lone mirage]

i didnt even realise you put charon in b, im deeply confused and sad. did it also get a nerf cus it used to be as good as medea

[brave dove]

I don't think charon has been as good as medea since medea stopped being bad

medea is the strongest aspect in the game

[silent crow]

medea was always good no?

[lone mirage]

lucid gain and apollo legendary is basically just free win with charon

[brave dove]

I remember it being bad in patch 1 but I was also bad in patch 1

[silent crow]

patch 1 medea was still probably super strong

[simple turret]

medea isnt brain off strong though, so its not an objective winner in my eyes

[magic moss]

medea was only really "good" starting patch 4

[silent crow]

there was js vow of suffering which prevented most ppl from playing it

[simple turret]

medea is so easy to get hit

[lone mirage]

morrigan, medea and charon are the 3 best weapons imo

[brave dove]

(anyway I assume you wanted something a bit more substantive mininet, I'll do a bit of a write-up on why I think Circe is really good when I get back from putting dinner on)

[magic moss]

yeah, i havent been able to play much this patch so I would love to hear some thoughts

[brave dove]

(it partly has to do with how I think this patch has improved the value of the ability to run and gun)

[magic moss]

im just basing a ton of my opinions on my experience playing high fear and playing staff (which is quite a bit)

[glass shell]

i think mel staff is an easy high A tier.

Eos goes down to C tier with mel axe.

Pan is a top of B tier gatekeeper into A now that posiedon internal cooldown nerfs(only half the daggers splash) and self stunlock nerf is here

Selene, with godsent ares and built absolutely shreds so S tier for that IMO cause its "guaranteed" if you start a certain way. Maybe it starts too slow to contend with the others i guess so i can concede A.

Mel torch just off fine line abuse has to be A.

[brave dove]

before I shoot off I will contest that I have tried very hard to make lance of ares work on high fear and I do have a 32 fear vod and it's just too greedy to be 'strong' there

but brb

[glass shell]

fair. looking at other S tiers i can't really say its better or on par with any of them

[magic moss]

what fear level is this based off of

at low/mid fear, tierlists literally do not matter

[glass shell]

i play around 40 60 is too scary for me

and i hate revs

[magic moss]

eh i would even say with the introduction of rivals 40F is still an area where tierlists are largely irrelevant

[glass shell]

fair

[lone mirage]

mel torch with fine line and ocean swell is op

#h2-victory-boasting message

is this fine arcana?

[simple turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158582565104521269/1388945250067943435/image.png?ex=6862d390&is=68618210&hm=f15c8b4a93080658c9e9286efba92d6fe95e8220bb70026b7fbb84789198405e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=655&height=372

[lone mirage]

charon in feels bad, im going to quit

[simple turret]

i tried it a lot

it just isnt fun for me

[lone mirage]

b-but lucid gain😼

[simple turret]

interesting new name

[lone mirage]

ty yes

[simple turret]

can u recommend me a build to try on it? Ill give it one more chance

[glass shell]

have you tried nyx since the update. i like it a lot now but if u hate coat in general it won't help lmao

[indigo viper]

Is Hermes' boon that increases probability is addictive or multictive?

[simple turret]

mult

[magic moss]

lucid gain keepsake start into hera special curse cast (eg. arctic or tidal) with poseidon geyser spout gg ez

[lone mirage]

yes, lucid gain + apollo legendary and the hammer that makes it strike twice.
if you get two times strike twice its 4 times instead of 3, and you can spam cast inbetween so 4 omega cast and 4 omega specials per omega special.

[magic moss]

tho with how much base damage charon has aphro special and play without origination is fine because orig is % additive

[jagged zinc]

Charon: Best Hammer, Supay best torch, Persephone best Selene best coat, ??? Best staff

[lone mirage]

hammer is called giga cleaver

[magic moss]

anubis or momus are both strong staves

[jagged zinc]

with persephone and hel very close imo

[magic moss]

also best skull is still medea and its not even close lmao

[lone mirage]

yup

[simple turret]

ngl Im a fan of mel staf rn

+60 is a lot

[glass shell]

persephone is very good now but medea room 1 is better than any of the other 3 skulls peak build room 40 lol

[brave dove]

Alright okay so I think the key factors for how strong a weapon is can be broken down into the following features:

• How much damage it can do.
• How much damage it can help you avoid or mitigate.
• What troublesome Vows does it assist with.
• What builds does it synergise with.

[jagged zinc]

nah that's cap, late hel or persephone you clear one room with one ospecial, medea you have to spam

[simple turret]

man. I have been looking for lethal snare for so long and I just got it purple on my charon run

[brave dove]

For this patch, although it's early on, it looks like Olympian damage builds are the way to go, which is a large factor as to why Supay, Anubis and Circe are rated so highly in my book — they synergise very well with Olympian damage boons.

In addition to that, all three offer fast ticking and powerful aoe options to help you deal with wards and hordes and Circe in addition possesses powerful base damage allowing it to partially mitigate Vow of Forfeit.

You've also got things like how Vow of Rivals is one of the patch's flagship features and it heavily privileges the ability to do damage while remaining mobile and at a distance, which helpfully synergises with cast builds and other forms of passive damage like the psychic leash, Anubis fields or Supay OSpecial.

medea and morrigan are Just That Strong, though

[jagged zinc]

Idk about Anubis, it's overrated to me, but the rest I agree

[brave dove]

For Circe more specifically, the psychic leash is genuinely a major source of damage when used with Raki and is often your only source of damage at times when, for example, Unrivaled Chronos spawns his clone and unleashes an 18-hit combo you have to run from-

And double cast is immensely strong in the contest of a patch that so far seems to be dominated by Olympian damage.

[simple turret]

i first tried vor4 at 40 fear on anubis and I havent done it on any other weapon

[brave dove]

(Helpfully, Psychic Leash is also buffed by almost all the things that buff Olympian damage, Extended Family and Ares infusion aside)

[lucid spear]

are there any tips to play ||Shiva|| properly since i personally think the omega sp takes way too long to land and the fact that you can't completely target yourself with it while aiming is a bit unintuitive

[magic moss]

I define an aspect's strength based on 2 simple categories that are similar but a bit different

1. How easy is it to get a build that is strong enough to clear without taking too long
2. How vulnerable are you to taking damage when playing the aspect to its fullest

[jagged zinc]

yeah dodge this weapon xd

[glass shell]

tip 1 restart till you get elephant hammer. tip 2 is to equip another aspect

[lone mirage]

theres a rly good hammer for shiva that makes it way faster, not getting that i agree

[lucid spear]

oh ik that block upgrade
still i thought if there was something missing, so supposed to ask

[glass shell]

block upgrade not even that good, but its ok

[jagged zinc]

it's not even that good because it's so fast you have to melee special if you want the buff

[glass shell]

elephant hammer removes lobbing and makes your special shoot infront of you no airtime

[magic moss]

honestly just in general im happy people are finding staff strong now

back in patch 4 early olympic the staff hate was so real lmfao

[brave dove]

staff is in such a good spot now, every aspect is good and diverse from each other

[magic moss]

i had to fight so hard to prove staff was good

[brave dove]

though I'm sure the next time I get intoxicated enough to try fresh file I will once again hate mel staff

[glass shell]

and all it took was like 5 aspect reworks and an entirely new special

[magic moss]

bro old staff was still insane

[brave dove]

okay but patch 1 momus was so funny

'hey chronos the march of time works against you: I brought a machine gun'

[magic moss]

patch 8 mel skull was 100% stronger than patch 1 momus imo

[brave dove]

I missed that one

[glass shell]

i think they should've kept the patch 8 power but 4 skulls max. 5 skulls was op

[lucid spear]

what do we think abt charon tho
personally its a great aspect and really fun to use too

[glass shell]

now mel skull is forgotten in bottom of bag again useless

[magic moss]

absolutely not the mel skull deserved the power nerf what

[brave dove]

I think charon is fine, it's very balanced

[magic moss]

also mel skull if anything is in a much better state than it was before, now its actually a really balanced aspect

[lone mirage]

false

[magic moss]

bottom of the bag useless is wild

[glass shell]

i miss the basekit explosion range of pre-rework mel skull

[brave dove]

well, now it doesn't get bricked by prom flare it's very balanced

[glass shell]

used to be able to shoot point blank on enemy infinite shot now it goes through them and less aoe. possibly my problem

[spare kite]

Use your special

[lucid spear]

maybe I'm abit biased for charon since it got me a really cool final hit on rivals chronos

[glass shell]

oh yeah the self collection is great upgrade

[magic moss]

old mel skull was so ass

[glass shell]

very good qol for skull in general happy that was added

[magic moss]

like i may not be that qualified to speak on the current patch

but old stuff I absolutely will argue against it and i think your takes are a bit misinformed if anything

[glass shell]

entirely possible.

[magic moss]

old mel skull was like bottom of the barrel very high skill requirement for little gain kind of aspect

[glass shell]

i wouldn't call pre-rework mel skull good but i found it at least fun to sit infront of enemy and spam m1

[magic moss]

patch 8 hyperbuffed it to be top 1 of all time, then the nerf made it a genuinely good but not broken aspect

[glass shell]

post rework post nerf mel skull doesn't have that and feels weak again so i consider it bad

[simple turret]

ok so

kinda spoilers ||does narcissus just not give anything anymore? or do I just have to go back to him a couple more times||

[magic moss]

new story quest, think its like 4-5 encounters of nothing

[simple turret]

ok

[magic moss]

also this is a spoilers allowed channel

[simple turret]

yea yea but its story content

[indigo viper]

I did em4 typhon!
Didn't know that The star sea can be maxed to 100% lol.

[simple turret]

well I died to sirens on charon

I see the damage but just not fun to operate to me

oh also @brave dove the reason I value anubis slightly lower is that it doesnt have a safe fast attack. you cant dash strike and the special pulls enemies towards you (and also is only 20 base dmg)

[brave dove]

feel like that is just needing to adjust to area control over picking targets

also you can do tricks with your cast and oattack to have enemies be trapped in the oattack arc and your cast (as well as the actual regular attack field)

and then you can yank the room into the trap, theoretically

[simple turret]

yes you can, but sometimes you need a fast attack to quickly interrupt an enemy with no setup

and im not saying theres no alternative, I'm just saying its a limitation I have noticed

[brave dove]

special works for that tbf

[lone mirage]

#h2-victory-boasting message

so hot

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1388969439797710969/anubis_moment.mp4?ex=6862ea18&is=68619898&hm=0e41becc4db8e825d3bf266017525ff7ff1a949f69c36d98c760cb896c2dbd8a& bruh

[uneven palm]

Ooof

[spiral wadi]

funny thing i found while playing rivals chronos, he gets goobed by cast if he's doing his four-trail dash attack

[spare kite]

Lmfaoooo

[spiral wadi]

insane

[magic moss]

i just got drive by'd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1388971300088709241/image.png?ex=6862ebd3&is=68619a53&hm=c978a84532fe5c89174c089290786597a4812481635afb8b7c525d24c5b99216& some bs going on here

[wild sun]

Okay, so if I am understanding this video correctly, one of your powers had a bit of knockback, and it launched that enemy in the middle of its attack cycle, so it stabbed you when you dashed by, did I get that right?

[magic moss]

anubis special has a vacuum effect. Lurker attacks contrary to visuals fires a projectile that damages you. When the lurker got pulled by the vacuum, that was when it fired the projectile and i was just unfortunately in its path

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1388974085211427019/image.png?ex=6862ee6b&is=68619ceb&hm=26a6767b5a7ca9d163970cf70cc436e1f089099097d861a7b39139450ff5c4ce&

[pure grove]

the anubis special for some reason adds velocity in the direction you fired from rather than overwriting the velocity, which means that if timed wrong you will get hit in the face by an enemy going at mach 5

also, for some reason hitboxes stay active regardless of hitstun and freeze, so since the guy got stunned, the hitbox stayed active during the pull and it functioned like a giant laser

[burnt sky]

Hi everyone !

I would like to ask something, I have now forged a max bond with Selene, but I don't understand how to trigger the "super" path of stars that gives you a bigger tree. I had it once with the black coat aspect and another time just with Dark Side hexe (on another weapon ofc). Any ideas ?

[pure grove]

wdym? iirc there is no "super" path of stars, and since there are 4 layouts, each has an equal 25% chance of appearing

[burnt sky]

Hum, I thought that I read something about it and I was kinda puzzled because since this update, when I gave a gift to Selene, sometimes I had a really nice path of stars with more bonus that I remembered. For exemple, for Dark Side, I got 2 sublime (purple) bonus at the end of the tree, instead of one I guess ?

[pallid pelican]

it depends on moon phases too

[burnt sky]

But that's maybe just my mistake .

So Moon phases does not determine only the number of bonus you can unlock with each shards collected ?

[pure grove]

there's actually two layouts that give two sublime bonuses at the end of the tree

[pure grove]

i don't ever take the worst path and still get the paths with only one sublime, so maybe the actual moon phase of the run (like the weather) affects it

[burnt sky]

Wait, there is an actual moon phase during the run itself ? How can we see it ?

[pure grove]

selene occasionally comments on it when there's a new moon, but you can see it in in the moon beam directly above skelly (not that it really matters that much)

like, when mel monologues to herself while viewing erebus, the camera will pan upwards and you can see the moon

[burnt sky]

Oh. I never registered that information as meaningful for the gameplay but if it is, that's nice. Maybe there is a weird way to determine if tonight Selene will give a more powerful hex-tree, idk.

Thanks for the info and clearing my understanding. I really like Hexes, they are just a bit behind I think, even with the godsend mechanic

[pure grove]

i actually personally think the godsend mechanic makes certain hexes worse since it takes away potential sublime slots (looking at you, apollo), but that's a different discussion lol

[burnt sky]

I think the same, sadly. Athena is the only way to make it worthwile, but it's a rather difficult/costly way

[glass shell]

its a pretty underbaked mechanic i think largely forgotten by the devs as well. It only affected what weapons could be grave thirsted and if it was raining or not iirc.

[silk fog]

i love how with 600+% Plasma your dash slows you down

[wild sun]

It's so fun

[rocky pier]

Torches feel comfy but how do you make them strong?

[pallid pelican]

hestia, zeus, poseidon

[rocky pier]

Is Hephaestus attack any good on them? Assuming you can get the hammer to make your attack split

[pallid pelican]

nah its way to slow

better to get on hit dps

[rocky pier]

Hestia attack to stack scorch then chain lightning for aoe? Could work

[pallid pelican]

you could consider hades for wonds stacking too

[rocky pier]

I’m attempting surface runs

[pallid pelican]

or pose+zeus duo with the lightnings

[rocky pier]

To be clear. I’m using Mel aspect, I don’t have the resources for the others

[pallid pelican]

technically you could go heph+zeus duo but that d be with heph cast as enabler

[rocky pier]

Is the 4 god max a thing in Hades 2 as well?

[pallid pelican]

yeah

they changed it a year ago it used to be 3

4 main gods + selene, artemis, athena and hermes (and chaos whenever they show up)

[rocky pier]

Are godsent hexes worth taking over good hexes with full moonglow? I have Moon Water with full moon glow but have total eclipse godsent with crescent moonglow

[uneven palm]

Take the Hex you think is best. Godsent upgrades are like Purple ones so they take some investment to activate

[pallid pelican]

I find wolf howl so op

[jagged zinc]

No, unless you really want to scale Selene and take Athena for the x3 usage

[brave dove]

task force is so good tho

[ionic hearth]

Is the Ares Godsent actually worth it for Skyfall?

[atomic ibex]

It makes your early game a bit harder, but the amount of damage you get from a Task Force Godsent Skyfall can definitely be worth it

[cerulean panther]

What's wild about this is that it completely nullifies... Hang on, lemme look up Heph's "Gives you armor at the start of every location in exchange for priming Magick" boon.

What's wild about this is that it completely nullifies Trusty Shield.

[pallid pelican]

I'm playing shiva with born gain, tons of mana, zeus pose combo and wolf howl

every omega spec/atk gives me wolf howl back

[polar ravine]

what?

[pallid pelican]

so basically i fly around the battlefield full highframes

[analog ether]

I think I get it. In terms of sheer speed, it's faster to just move normally than to use the dash animation.

[brave dove]

it's a really greedy strat but it is very strong if you get all the pieces you need

but that's not until like, region 3, really

and you need to run strength to get task force, really - if you're running DDs and phoning athena you are probably looking for renewed faith

[polar ravine]

task force?

[brave dove]

athena boon that gives +3 godsent uses per location at epic

[polar ravine]

ah right

i was trying to remember which god gave that

[analog ether]

Gods, it is so frustrating when you take a god keepsake into Thessaly, and then that god never shows up.

[pallid pelican]

was your pool full already?

[elfin forge]

it should still give the god, it's just that thessaly might not always give a god boon for the whole region

especially if you have onion on

[cerulean panther]

Thessaly is brutal like that.

[elfin forge]

even with 4 or 5 gods, you should get at least one boon from your god keepsake

[hoary quiver]

holy hell, the aspect of the morrigan is goated

[analog ether]

Nope.

[lone mirage]

any good hel builds?

need ideas

[analog ether]

Blood Hose 😝

Poseidon on the Attack, Ares Special, and aiming for Arterial Spray. Then whatever else you want to get.

[lone mirage]

ty will try🙏

[woven niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG_ruN6zBDY&t=38s&ab_channel=karan

300% attack buff on aphro

85% attack buff on chaos

i love echo

but the PAIN of not equipping white antler at the end was palpable

[elfin forge]

damn cerb is tanky

[hoary quiver]

Does the proc from morrigan get its damage spread via hitch?

[lone mirage]

#h2-victory-boasting message was insane

[jagged zinc]

Hel is really good imo but long to setup, the ospecial cost is insanely high and the weapon is quite worthless without it

[lone mirage]

you kind of need the +3s valkyrie form for it to be good imo, if not your just spamming omega special half the game

[cerulean panther]

Messing around with Circe, got Hostile Environment, looks like Sword Ring is only dropping a single sword on enemies still.

Both Omega Cast bursts are proccing correctly. Do I just need to get Duos for sword shenanigans?

[north vortex]

What's a good argent skull build?

[analog ether]

Depends on which aspect you're using.

[cerulean panther]

Oh, Nexus Rush is bad bad.

Like, bottom 2 Dash boon at its absolute best.

[elfin forge]

is nexus the hitch one

[cerulean panther]

Yes. The one that takes an eternity to activate even after Sprinting.

[elfin forge]

it is odd that it's so unresponsive compared to apollo's

[cerulean panther]

I very sincerely regret taking this.

[full fog]

it used to be as responsive as apollo's but since hitch is so good it was really good and they nerfed it into its current state

I really miss old nexus sprint

[cerulean panther]

So it definitely feels like the Morrigan is just inconsistent when it comes to letting you channel an Omega move after its Attack or Special.

Simultaneously Final Slice is absolutely insane.

But Prometheus is more insane.

[willow phoenix]

The o attack can only come out at the end of the attack string, and the o special/special can't be chained fast as you need to wait until the daggers return to you or after a certain amount of time

[ornate acorn]

What do you do with aspect of selune or or nyx?

nyx is scorch or arterial spray?

Selune seems.. weird, but id like to improve it

[wild swan]

I'm baffled because it's ALWAYS been bad and keeps getting worse

Hitch is a good curse! I shouldn't avoid a bon that inflicts it like the plague,and yet

[elfin forge]

nyx is weird, you can either do scorch special, or a strong attack setup like aphro or apollo

[civic ocean]

damn, rivals Chronos is so fast lmao

[elfin forge]

yeah

[civic ocean]

They did a really good job with all the UW fights

[elfin forge]

yeah I think so too. They scale kinda poorly at frenzy 2 but they'll probably do something about that

[civic ocean]

I haven't done typhon yet but the surface ones I am not as much a fan of

[elfin forge]

I mostly like the surface ones tbh. I don't really like typhon's main phases though

[civic ocean]

I really, really hated the poison mechanic from H1 so I am not happy its back

[elfin forge]

I like it here, you have a lot of room to work with

Everything kind of revolves around the phase transitions

[civic ocean]

fren2 I just feel like there is green goop everywhere but im just not used to the fight

[elfin forge]

during phase transitions she shoots stripes and then the star, so just wait it out along the wall

also during phase transition Poly will jump to a corner, and destroy that corner's Mandrake fountain

[civic ocean]

oh okay I was wondering why sometimes she paints the room

I was really hoping they didn't change prom how they did but oh well

[elfin forge]

prom is excellent now imo

really fun fight, and surprisingly fair. I do think it's a bit much though when you have the eagle and the satyrs and both the bosses at once.

[ornate acorn]

Wb selene?

[willow phoenix]

Play with night and cycle through omega

You can also do the new Ares Godsent and start with Ares keepsake

You just want to keep skyfall rolling as much as possible

[elfin forge]

with nyx I recommend binding Autofire, and learning to use it

walking around and autofiring specials, without ever accidentally getting ospecial is really nice

[ornate acorn]

Huh i didnt know there is autofire

[elfin forge]

yeah it lets you spam normal attacks without getting omegas

and still hold down the button

[olive tusk]

rivals cerberus is so much harder than rivals chronos

gives you absolutely zero room for attacking unless you have a long range build

[elfin forge]

no not really

[solid pendant]

i'm trying to figure out how looming ignition and/or volatile array work with medea skull. do my attacks charge up when i activate a skull on myself? do my shells land when i charge into a target?

[hexed frost]

Ran Anubis now I hate everything else

[elfin forge]

lol

just make a zone of death and wait for everything to get roasted

[hexed frost]

Yup

Had a disgusting build the other day

Supay is nice too

[olive tusk]

give me strategies instead of gitgud-ing me, for example, what does one do when there's lava on one side, cerb's map-wide attack on another, his temporary fireball surface on another side, and his rapid fireball attack on the front and he's about to do a back slap

[willow phoenix]

The biggest thing with rivals cerb is don't attack when he's blocking, those rapid fireballs are his parries that only happens if he blocks your attack

Another thing, explosions don't all explode at the same time so you can dodge it by going to the areas that explodes first. Cerb can stomp during this but that's also dodgable. Going into the lava for a bit is fine, the damage is not instant

I think a lot of the dangers from Cerb can be avoided by not greeding it out

[olive tusk]

oh that's sick, I wish there was a way to know in game that he punishes you when you attack his blocks

the most difficult part other than that is when he does his temp fireball surface while also doing a map attack and then begins stomping, that one I'll just have to thug out it seems

[zinc forge]

Does Supay work with Divine Dash and Gigaros Dash

[willow phoenix]

What's a temp fireball, is that the slow fire ball one?

[olive tusk]

those fireballs cerb unleashes at the end of the first phase, though that isnt my struggle, its the other times he uses them

[willow phoenix]

Oh those burning ground thing

On 2nd phase the arena gets much bigger so you could go to the other parts of the arena to avoid the initial temp fire part

[olive tusk]

of course, that is usually what i do, its when thats combined with the map-wide attack that he does

I think i might have to just i-frame that attack

[willow phoenix]

It's usually sequential, so standing in the latter explosion area then dashing to the earlier explosions usually work

[quartz parrot]

how do i use supay and can i get a build for it

[willow phoenix]

Sprint all the time, that's it

Use Poseidon or Hestia sprint

If you want to try something spicier but with more set up, put zeus on special and sprint, then get aphro in a core to get romantic spark. Then ideally you'd top that off with King's Ransom

[quartz parrot]

core is like atack yea ?

[willow phoenix]

Attack, special, cast, gain, just to fill the romantic spark requirement

Gain probably best since you don't really need aphro on attack

[quartz parrot]

hera on atack ?

maybe?

[sly plaza]

Yeah that tends to be the way

So far as romantic spark Supay

Then after you trigger ransom you can pick up whatever attack you feel is decent

[quartz parrot]

wait which O atack should i use special or atack

[sly plaza]

Special generally

But Supay lowkey can be used without regular omega use

I’ve seen some people opt for just omega cast and then crashing into whatever is in the cast with breaking sprint

[willow phoenix]

you need hera on cast or gain to trigger King's Ransom

I don't really think Supay needs to use the omega moves lol

you can just keep sprinting

[quartz parrot]

i mean i just died but it seems pretty powerful when i didnt even have duos

[jovial schooner]

I got so close to beating Typhon. I think my problem might go beyond skill. I'm learning the bosses, I can beat Polyphemus and Eris with very little trouble now. But I just feel like especially against normal enemies i'm too weak. Getting resources for weapon upgrades is hard too. You need so many bones for nightmares.

[sly plaza]

With breaking it’s absolutely disgusting fr

Like as soon as I get it I’m free styling

[arctic current]

Hi everybody, got a quick question. Im an Axe main, before the hidden aspect was out i was main Thanatos (i like the fast strikes and ik Charon one is very strong but i like my crit chance) and now i bumped into Nergal or whatever aspect. Im gonna go with Apollo on attack, he's my go for it when i use the axe, but i don't know any good build. Thought about Ares for that boon that restores hp under 40% or smh like that, since Nergal in berserk restores hp. But idk who else to put in it. Any idea?

[past salmon]

ransom pre-prereqs are cast/sprint/gain for the opposite god yeh (so hera for Kings ransom Zeus for Queens)

Then just any core(I think?) for the main god

[willow phoenix]

yeah any core will do for the main god

[quartz parrot]

this is with no duoshttps://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/kB0duanNy58vp-KlH?invite=cr-MSxsdTYsNDEzNzk3ODI0

[willow phoenix]

yeah supay is insane like that lol

[jovial schooner]

Here's a question. I always do better with Hestia on attack than virtually anything else and I feel like i'm missing how good some other gods could be. what should I try?

[quartz parrot]

aphrodite

[olive tusk]

you should give a kings/queens ransom build a try atleast once, takes luck to set up, but that 400% damage lvl 40 hera hits different

[quartz parrot]

im sad that i lost 2 death defies but that damgehttps://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/kB0ucNt3Ap_S5h0-Y?invite=cr-MSxjSVksNDEzNzk3ODI0

https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/kB0CiEh4hXG_IZtbi?invite=cr-MSxxUG8sNDEzNzk3ODI0

[quartz parrot]

why 😦

which one should i take ?

[willow phoenix]

romantic spark?

[quartz parrot]

ok

[willow phoenix]

nervous wreck is nice but isn't really high on dps if you put it on gain

[quartz parrot]

gonna fight typhon

noooooooooooooooo i lost

that was such a good build

[willow phoenix]

if you want to see how high the dps can go
spoiler: rivals Typhon
||https://youtu.be/gYG0XqI_7zY?si=2TzN8GIOKi8_Divq||

something like breaker rush spam is probably more reliable and easier to win with though tbh lol

[quartz parrot]

eh ive already been spoiled

and that damage is crazy

[olive tusk]

kings ransom zeus AND white antler damn dawg leave typhon alone

[quartz parrot]

thats not white antler

[olive tusk]

I mistook it from my small monitor, I have decided to live with this silly mistake

[willow phoenix]

I'm not confident enough to do antler vs rivals typhon with child phase being a thing lol

[quartz parrot]

yay beat typhon on my second run with supay

[jovial schooner]

it is so disheartening to get to typhon twice and lose.

Again i'm learning patterns, surviving well, outlasting guardians.

but My damage is just too low. Sure I can look for a good build but then it's common, rare if i use the god's keepsake, and never upgrades, and i find poms to raise its level like, twice a run if i'm lucky.

Am i doing something wrong?

[brave dove]

what's your arcana look like?

[jovial schooner]

https://i.ibb.co/v4GgTj23/Screenshot-183.png

like this

[brave dove]

a few things:

firstly, don't run strength or death in the same arcana, you run one of the two
secondly, the bottom left corner is the most powerful set of cards in the game, at max rank it gives you 10 rerolls that can be used to reroll boons or locations

thirdly, unseen is just kind of bad and origination is the largest olympian damage multiplier in the game - which is any damage boon that doesn't %multiply your damage

and it's still good on those, just not as good

lastly are you using Night?

omega cycling is something a lot of vets are pretty bad at

it's a really strong card but if you're not omega cycling it's a waste

[brave dove]

with that said the reroll corner isn't great until you have some insights in it, but I'd focus on getting it upgraded next

[jovial schooner]

I like death defied, I don't think i'm confident enough to run without it, so i can swap strength. I'll give a shot to origination. and I've been mostly using one omega move with whatever weapon i have so i guess i could either swap it out or try to make use of it. I've mostly been using the torches, though i've tried the coat and daggers a couple of times.

[brave dove]

Try to have The Queen active as well, that +% to duos is very noticeable because it's additive

if you're keeping death, I'd use the middle row as your divinity activator - Swift Runner, Death, Centaur, Origination and Lovers

oh, also get your 30th grasp point you can run 2-2-2-2-2 for the Queen

(2 of each arcana cost. 0 aside)

[jovial schooner]

so, swap strength and unseen for origination and lovers, and get a 30th point?

to start with

[vital ledge]

even without knowing what boons you actually want, I'd say the 3 rerolls for "boons" are always worth it. just in case there is only trash offered

[brave dove]

I'd drop, hmm... Huntress, Night, Messenger, Swift Runner, Unseen and Strength — some of those are very good but I suspect you're not using Huntress or Night very optimally and you usually don't run both except on quite specific loadouts.

which will free up 15 points that I would spend on Origination (5), Lovers (8), Champions (12) and Eternity (15) in your place

this should give you The Queen as well unless I missed something

oh wait yes, you're running Artificer hm

eh, once you get to 30 grasp look to dropping stuff like artificer and eternity once you don't feel you're getting anything out of the slowdown for the reroll corner

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874854721968541736/1385299643025326280/image.png?ex=68636814&is=68621694&hm=9c356c7ad4605c4e2323c31fb150476a8e7f3f6ef8ad6511d864d6de8bcfadac&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1260&height=709& this is the 'standard' loadout that people tend to use as a baseline that they then edit to their specific needs

though Death is slightly better than Strength for most people with the new patch

I wouldn't switch to it yet, Wayward Son and Eternity in particular are very very useful for newer players and some of these cards are much more relevant at higher insight (particularly the reroll corner), but it's something to keep in mind once you start getting those higher insights

[jovial schooner]

I played hades 1 a lot, Hades 2's system of much more reliance on weapon choice and Arcana rather than just what boons you get kinda threw me off a bit. Thanks for the help. I've cleared Chronos a couple of times, still havent beat the surface.

[glass bone]

The arcana is one thing I’m not certain of just yet. My first run utilized Death, then I switched to Strength, and after losing to Rival 4 Surface (with Frenzy 2), I switched back to Death (and just got my first 32 yesterday). Is the best in this meta now switching Swift Runner for Wayward Son and Strength for Death?

[brave dove]

Not really, Wayward Son is kind of a pain to get Divinity and the Queen with

but I'll always rec it to new players because it does heal for a lot over the course of a run

[glass bone]

But that would get Divinity and Queen though…

[brave dove]

hm? how are you getting Divinity when you've swapped out Swift Runner for Wayward Son?

oh huh right, I never play with Death lmao

[vital ledge]

^ that's what I usually use.
dash speed -> healing per room
strength -> DDs
compared to the screen above

[brave dove]

it'd work though personally I hate not having Swift Runner or Messenger

the other thing is it makes it much harder to swap out persistence

and you kind of do want to swap off persistence for huntress or night on a lot of weapons

[jovial schooner]

See my problem is, yeah i made it to typhon without dying last couple of runs, but then it took a couple of lives to get him past the Zeus attacks phase and I still lost. No way I'd do better without extra chances. Heck I had Luckier Tooth on along with 3 DD.

[glass bone]

I see. My perspective is I need to up survivability for a while to get used to the Max Rivals and Frenzy. I’ve done Rivals + Frenzy 2 on everything but Typhon (still haven’t done it yet), but each time I do fight a rival frenzy boss, fountain is typically necessary; and if I’d want to go for scars in the far future, that’s not good. It’s also not the best feeling to face tank a whole bunch of damage and win by higher dps, even if “a win’s a win’.

Also Rival Chronos for me was beaten with like… 500 health on Strength, once. “It just works”.

[brave dove]

scars 2 isn't that hard to deal with, scars 3 is... honestly there's a lot of workarounds

like half the things that tell you they will heal nothing will in fact heal you

[vital ledge]

scylla's rival fight is so good. even if my damage is bad and I take a ton of hits that I should avoid, it still is so fun man.
best boss in the game for me

[plush vapor]

poseidon on atk or special for supay?

gonna go ares on the other and shoot for both legendaries

[lone mirage]

whats a good build for persephone? hestia leg?

[willow phoenix]

Old perse stuff like pos and aphro still does well

Or you can play blast with the poms

[lone mirage]

wait im confused on what the changed aspect of perse do

is the strat omega specialing in your cast or what do you do

[willow phoenix]

Perse is no longer charged with cast but with olympian damage like blast, blitz, scorch, waves
You also get free 0-6 lvls on each boons

[lone mirage]

k ill try doign a scorch run then

[glass shell]

to be fair most casts are olympian damage. Storm ring, Rapture ring, artic ring all still count for it.

just omega casting doesn't do it anymore natively.

[sterile portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqki_p0A4A

i was really close to having rallying cry here, if i had that to boost epic righteous pike and heroic fine line this would be even sillier

that and i missed out on greivous blow

[brave dove]

no lance of ares?

[sterile portal]

i like to start with moon beam, i havent tried godsent sky fall yet

[brave dove]

starting with moon beam is probably better because ares isn't a great core god for coat but you already grabbed him there so

the main thing is it's just an incredibly greedy weapon, you go through hell early in order to get an on demand 'delete this encounter' hex

though you also kind of need grievous blow and for some inane reason lance of ares itself does not count as prereq

[sterile portal]

i wanted to go for greivous blow

and wounds on sky fall was nice

also crazy damage reduction on this run, typhons head slam doing 13 damage is nutty lol

[brave dove]

this means optimal lance of ares builds purge ares attack or special after region 1 or 2 after getting grievous blow

cut above is great on coat though

[sterile portal]

i shouldve gotten cut above i didnt think of that

[brave dove]

the ospecial applies it many many times

precise number varies on how far away the bugger is and how your rockets are feeling that moment, but you get at least 2-3 usually

[sterile portal]

oh i forget i also got an additional 20% damage reduction during sky fall

how much does weak reduce?

[brave dove]

uhhh 15% default I think

[sterile portal]

so 25% from weak (had the boon that boosted it) + 40% from strength + 10% from bones + 20% during sky fall

95%

wait did i do my math wrong

no thats right

holy crap man

[fierce bloom]

i feel like this has to be bad because isn’t it just a one time +50 damage?

i was underwhelmed when i got it but idk

[glass shell]

im pretty sure its multiplicative not actually 90%

otherwise god mode would make you immune with basically just weak

[sterile portal]

That's what I thought but I'm pretty sure Typhons slam does over 50 damage so it doing 13 here without sky fall indicates to me that it's additive? But idk

[glass shell]

yeah but 95% reduced damage would have you taking single digits.

im bad at math but im pretty sure its something like mid 70%s or something

[sterile portal]

its 95% with sky fall, when i took 13 i was not using it

Yeah I took 13 without sky fall which would make it like 75% of normal, which checks out

[glass shell]

that would be if it did 50 but im pretty sure it does like 60 or something

[sterile portal]

Multiplicative would be really weak tbh, the weak potency boon would take you from 15% to 16.5% in that case and that sucks lmao

[glass shell]

but i could be wrong

i doubt its true multiplicitive but it straight up can't be additive or else a LOT of boons become .... basically useless w god mode.

hell just with strength alone it becomes extremely easy to close to 100%

[brave dove]

that's not how damage reduction works

[sterile portal]

i mean either way i had a lot of damage reduction and it was silly

typhon was doing hecate damage

[brave dove]

you would have had around 70% damage reduction during skyfall

[glass shell]

yeah im bad at math but i kept coming up with like 72% or osmething

but i was like maybe im wrong

[sterile portal]

how much does the head slam do cause i wanna do the math lol

im curious

[glass shell]

i wanna say somewhere around 65

i'd have to look at a video tho cant open the game

[brave dove]

doing it in descending order of magnitude and skyfall at the end you start with 40%, then 25% additional damage reduction brings you to 55% then knucklebones brings you to 59.5% and then skyfall would have brought that to ~68%

[sterile portal]

i think it has to be less than 60

if its additive then i'd be at 75% reduction w/o hex, and 25% of 60 is 15, so taking 13 in that situation would make my reduction even higher than 75

[brave dove]

the tongue laser is his hardest hitting move IIRC and is I believe 50 at base without vow of pain

[sterile portal]

yeah im p sure they nerfed typhons damage all around at some point lol

[glass shell]

oh yeah i remember the laser doing like 120

[sterile portal]

ive definitely been hit for 68 by him at some point i think? during the child phase if that means anything. without vow of pain

[brave dove]

if it was additive you would be taking 1-2 damage with it active from nearly all enemies and I genuinely believe you would have noticed that

[glass shell]

yeah like you'd be near immune to EVERYTHING

[sterile portal]

i also just remembered that i had frosty veneer on for this so yeah its definitely not additive lmao

that 13 mightve been 23

[brave dove]

(and beyond that like, it's widely known to be multiplicative I'm only couching my answers because I have not personally sat down and done the maths because when would I find the time and energy)

[glass shell]

yeah ok this makes a lot more sense now

[sterile portal]

yeah that slipped my mind

[sterile portal]

deep down i knew you were right but i wanted to believe

[brave dove]

hey if the heat was making my brain wonky I would be the first to start running 100% damage reduction max fear runs

[sterile portal]

is 0 damage even possible? i always assumed 1 was the minimum

how does furious blaze work with supay?

[glass shell]

1 is the minimum in like most cases, might be 100% in this patch.

last patch pre tough gain nerf you could do some shenanigans with brave face and a pommed out of its gourd tough gain to have rounding down to 0

also pre nerf frosty

[dapper elbow]

With how low the base attack damage for supay is. Does posidon attack work the best

[glass shell]

I think you would actually prefer blitz, because you have innate scaling % damage if you absorb your o-specials to the point you will be popping and reapplying blitz with every other attack

[latent marsh]

Give me a random fun build to do

[glass shell]

railgun mel. apollo special try to get the legendary.

mel staff if it wasn't obvious

[brave dove]

if it's a fear level you feel comfortable winning 99% of the time, lance of ares

aspect of selene, strength is a requirement, keepsakes go sword hilt->moon beam->gorgon

you want to save rerolls to fish for Task Force from Athena in region 3

[willow phoenix]

Something similar but with Triple Ray Shine of Apollo, very fun

Any aspect but probably Shiva to burn magick fast, strength, Lunar Ray, Trinity, Apollo Godsent, any lunar ray damage node you can get, task force

[brave dove]

I'd say supay if apollo wasn't ass on supay, great for other hexes though

I would say only lunar ray and skyfall do enough damage by themselves to be your main bosskiller though

ah, out of the damage hexes anyway, hera's buff to resurrected enemies is... strong

[willow phoenix]

But it doesn't work vs typhon sadly lol

[brave dove]

doesn't it?

[willow phoenix]

No, the ally deals no damage

[brave dove]

can they not hit him or something

hhhhhuh

[willow phoenix]

Literally 0

[brave dove]

that feels like a kludge solution to prevent players from skipping that one phase

though tbh I feel if someone has gone to the effort to do that they should just let them skip it :v

[willow phoenix]

Zeus aid can also solo bosses imo with task force, but again it also doesn't work vs Typhon lol

[brave dove]

you need the guardian damage blue node but yes

then again lance of ares needs ferocity so

[willow phoenix]

I mean that it just disappears rather than staying

[brave dove]

oh yeah I mean for bosses in general

adding like 1k damage per hex cast is kinda important to the zeus hex build I think-

'cause even with task force you are absolutely running out of casts before the boss dies for the tough ones

[willow phoenix]

I got to around 8k damage per zeus aid before with all the global damage buff morph gives

Also double strike

I guess you can ransom it too for bigger damage

Aphro aid can also solo bosses probably if it wasn't so buggy

[reef agate]

Beginner here, got last arcana unlocked and all weapons open (not hidden aspects). Mel coat carried. me to meet Typhon and beat Chronos, what to unlock first on others? Seems Momos, Pan, Thanatos and Medea atleast popular

[fiery zinc]

yo guys just a quick question is it normal to have 1000 hp out on the start on the first chaos trial?

[reef agate]

Yeah HP weird on those

[fiery zinc]

oh oke

[reef agate]

Make early ones trivially easy

[stuck turret]

It slowely gets lower depending on difficulty of trial

[glass shell]

Pan was sent to the shadow realm with the latest patch. Not a dead aspect but not anywhere near what it was pre patch.

Momus suffered a bit from the torch rework but not that much, medea and thanataos are as strong as ever.

[stuck turret]

first is 1000, second is like 600?, third is like smth LOL
Last of the starter ones is 30, and you're basically playing your first run again

[fiery zinc]

understable, have a great day kind human being

[reef agate]

Ok won't be spending on it then first

[glass shell]

Thats the literal tutorial trial, i don't think any other trials have you actually have 600 hp? maybe the posiedon one does if you get water fitness i guess but i don't think so

[brave dove]

some of the trials just make you op

[tall notch]

Wdym, what does Momus have to do with the torch rework 😭
It's a staff

[glass shell]

oops i confused momus and moros

[reef agate]

So Momus still good?

Think ill just rush the early bosses to farm that unlock material and end runs afterwards

[magic moss]

yes

[stuck turret]

out of curiosity, what're the best aspects for each of the weapons, excluding hidden ones cos I haven't gotten there yet :D

[reef agate]

I kinda asked the same while answering it too after quick googling today here. "Momos, Pan, Thanatos and Medea atleast popular"

Meanwhile, Mel (first/basic) Coat is effective and super simple to use too

But probably not best or anything, just newbie friendly, spam attacks and throw in some specials in mix does the job

[stuck turret]

right lol

[reef agate]

Dash uppercut doubler especially turns it into monster

[stuck turret]

alr cool, ty :D

[reef agate]

And the non-beginners here, feel free to add to that, all i did was google it quick today, dont really know any better myself

[stuck turret]

tbf I think they'd have the hidden ones LOL

[reef agate]

Havent yet unlocked all the regular aspects so cant get the waking phrases for em

[stable barn]

Moros is best torch

[glass shell]

issue with coat is its low base damage, the dash attack spam and hammer was a good strategy.... last patch. This is because with posiedon you could get 3 splashes per dash attack, 6 with hammer. But now you only get half.

so now coat really doesn't have much going for it baseline, selene is decent with the new ares godsent though and nyx loves the buffs. but basecoat is mid now

It was never really amazing either is the issue, just ok

[reef agate]

Ive yet to upgrade arcana that supports omega gameplay so its been simple and relatively good for simple attack+special spam gameplay

[stable barn]

yea coat feels pretty bad to play

[reef agate]

Got me my first wins, but im not expecting it to carry high fear

[manic harbor]

What is a good build to try for with Morrigan? Doing great chaos above, and I'm not good with this aspect.

Would it work to do super nova with winners circle and use omega cast for the omega move you need for blood triad?

Also, does the splash from poseidon moves apply the counter for the blood triad, or does the weapon itself need to hit?

[thorny estuary]

Imo it's Momus, Pan, Charon, Moros, Medea, Nyx. But you can obviously get by with any of the aspects

[stuck turret]

ah alr, ty

[indigo coyote]

how do i make this particular aspect of sister's blade (||Morrigan||) work? it feels so clunky trying to all the || 3 other attacks || to do damage
sometimes it's also hard to see which condition were not fulfilled

[hoary quiver]

PFF, Chronos regaining the ability to unpause the game on R4 is great!

[brave dove]

basically every staff is really really good now

momus is pretty much just as strong as it was last patch and it can be argued to be the weakest staff aspect now (which isn't to say you shouldn't run it, every staff aspect is A or S-tier)

[hoary quiver]

The triangle shows you which ones you already met. Left corner is the attack, right the special and top the requirement. I can usually keep track of which ones are missing pretty well, though I recommend getting a flat damage boon (like poseidon or hestia) on the attack to help with clearing weaker enemies instead of relying on the blood triad for those.

[glass shell]

Alright so the real technique is to never use your basic attack.

Dash attack > follow up attack is the basic combo for most of the rooms you will fight in, and you ignore triad for anything that isn't a miniboss or regular boss. Or an enemy with a LOT of hp like a thug with armor etc.

To proc triad do a dash attack > throwing the special REALLY close to eachother so it cancel the dash attack animation, charge your omega attack to finish it off. If you get good enough you can chain the returning special to hit the enemy again so your 1/3 to start it all over again.

[stuck turret]

I met athena for the first time just now, and between the boon choices of Righteous Pike(common), Defensive Posture(common) and Mental block (epic) what should I do?

[hoary quiver]

yeah, you don't need triad for a lot of the lesser stuff because most of them area already dead/mostly dead by the time you get all 3 pieces

[indigo coyote]

aight, will try to not be bothered by not triggering triad on regular mobs

i do hope they change the normal attack tho, but i realise they designed it to be slow/sluggish intentionally

[glass shell]

Most likely MB assuming you are competent enough at spamming your cast off cooldown basically

RP if you giga spam mana like on a mana torch build

[stuck turret]

with twin blades on melinoe

[indigo coyote]

also, how do ya'll remember the boon's name

[olive tusk]

you just begin memorizing it

after like 200 runs

you will memorize it faster if you do your builds proactively, most people just kind of take stuff without thinking too much

[pseudo pond]

any supay build idea besides bring zeus?

I know it's insane with zeus boons, but after playing it so much I got bored

[glass shell]

i mean the primary way to play is with hestia

[pseudo pond]

I see, will give it a try

[stuck turret]

with aspect of moros, what's the best way to maximize dmg?

[pseudo pond]

anything pair with hestia

[pseudo pond]

if you wanna go meta slave, zeus on atk or special and pretty much anything like poseidon/hestia/demeter or even anything else will work

hera too

[stuck turret]

can certanily see why Zeus is OP asf on this weapon- just incinerated a rat.

[indigo coyote]

i got my first win against typhon with Ares's boon on Supay, not sure if the wounds apply continuously

[stuck turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/988947671970611251/1389312150555594771/image.png?ex=68642944&is=6862d7c4&hm=6599dc94fa3c9bf64fc94f1370e63c252359e6d5f33b66233a4e66ed748b05ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1106&height=622
hmm

[olive tusk]

has athena's gorgon amulet failed to work for some others?

it actually never activates no matter what for me

[cosmic steppe]

finally freezer burn morgan lended me my first rivals4

time for air quality circe at last

[sudden inlet]

Triad on surface only becomes a necessity in Olympus with the automatons, thick boys, and dragons

[glass shell]

Do you.... have death defiances? It specifically requires you to not have them

its commonely missed but ever since the bugfix this patch i havent had it fail except due to my own stupidity once cause i forgot about that.

[elfin forge]

gorgon amulet only failed in Olympus because it was bugged I think, you just had to remember to not equip it there

now it should be 100%

[olive tusk]

oh, weird, I never knew this

[elfin forge]

and yes, it doesn't do anything if you have any death defiances

[olive tusk]

why is that even a thing, what does athena have to do with death defiances, is it a boon thing

[elfin forge]

not entirely sure

it could be because they wanted to give a keepsake specifically for Strength players, since 2 of them are for DD players

it also could be that they thought death defiances + Deflect would just be too much survivability

[willow phoenix]

I think the original idea is more like a deus ex machina thing so Athena comes to save the day. She also has renewed faith for replenishing DDs

[elfin forge]

yeah, for a death defiance player, maybe the intention was to have her come in clutch for the player with 0 death defiances in Region 3

anyways, make sure to actually read your item descriptions

[willow phoenix]

There is also Stalwart Stand that gives a replenishing DD. So I guess having Athena readily available with DDs would allow players to stack a lot of DDs easily

[glass shell]

Its likely a combination of things, they just implemented strength that patch which incentivized them to also experiment with that mechanic more

2- she provides DD refills or just +1 DD per room

also yeah thematically her coming at your darkest hour to refill your boons is cool

just to offer you her special block/posture and pike

[olive tusk]

replenishing dd really saved me back when i was trying my 32f runs

athena is pretty cool, i hope they do more with her, she has so little dialogue relatively

[pallid pelican]

can you reapply drunken stuper's dot or is it really first time first time ?

for every unit*

[willow phoenix]

Really just first time

[pallid pelican]

damn its ass

[willow phoenix]

It's mostly useful for mobs, the damage is decent and it counts for origination

[pallid pelican]

most omega moves kill said mobs and the low dmg doesnt really matter at this point in olympus but agreed for origin

headed to prometheus with -57%move and dash speed wish me luck

not even sure i can make it through the minigame phase

[olive tusk]

prometheus fight is so fun, in every other fight if i lose i'll sometimes rage, especially on polyphemus, but every time i lost in rivals prom i was like ok fair we shall fight again

also you should try iframing the minigame

[pallid pelican]

oh yeah good idea

damn

hes got a special line coz of my chaos curse

I died mid Oatk cast in flames after eating a hit during minigame, rip run

[elfin forge]

if you struggle with memory game you can try:

1. Iframing it with dash or skull ospecial or even artemis parry
2. Pausing and writing down the safe spots
3. Using hexes like timeslow or dark side

[pallid pelican]

oh no I had the right spot its just I needed to run back and forth from top to bottom with a massive movement restriction from chaos

[elfin forge]

oof

[pallid pelican]

I couldnt pass on +34% dmg on Omega attacks as Morrigan, happens.

it's my fault I went for Dio, didnt count as an encounter so I was still cursed

[keen vapor]

Whats a good aspect of nergal build?

[elfin forge]

try aphro attack, hera special, demeter cast maybe?

[grim cairn]

is nergal good? I unlocked it yesterday and tried out on the skull guy general, seemed incredibly slow?

[sick tide]

It needs to be fully upgraded, but yeah, it’s good. The berserker mods might not seem great in paper, but I took out VoR Chronos with it first try, and I enjoyed it despite not usually liking slow weapons

[magic moss]

nergal is fine, weak high fear

[stuck ether]

Nergal ultimately is like a worse thanatos

[magic moss]

why are you beatrix now

[stuck ether]

Bc i am

[magic moss]

k

[grim cairn]

I'll try it out in the evening maybe.

Been having some weird runs, Idk if it's cause I'm going underworld more often, but I severely lack for boons, like 50-60% is all minor rewards.

[keen vapor]

Interesting, Im trying an ares build but idk if nergal is better with heavy attacks or just spamming normal ones. Feels awesome tho

[manic harbor]

Is the play with aspect of moros to send out omega special then spam attack?

Bro, wtf? I used full service, and my furious Blaze turned to -20%. Why?

[fervent anchor]

what if i just used shiva and completely ignored the ospecial? im thinking counter hammer, gristly gain + ares revenge boon + hera special or cast + ares/hera duo and just PILE ON the attack speed bonuses and have aphros attack and pom it as much as possible

ik its kinda basic tho id supplement it w nimble limbs or faster omegas and maybe metallic droplet to make it even crazier tbh

[fluid quail]

what are the strongest supay builds?

[uneven palm]

Romantic Spark

Or just throw whatever combo of Zeus, Hestia, Poseidon, Hera, Ares and it’ll be good probably

[fluid quail]

does exceptional talent work with supay?

[uneven palm]

I’m not sure. None of the moves hit super hard so idk that Apollo’s legendary is the play but if you wanna try it for science 🧪

[hoary quiver]

so apparently a partially applied blood triad counts as a god curse for origination. I got the symbol with just one regular god curse

[pure grove]

I finally beat 32 fear and all it took was turning off hordes 3 and rivals 4 because chronos is pain

In all seriousness though, is there any other dash boon you can use with supay other than zeus?

[dim kelp]

Poseidon? Hestia?

[pure grove]

I’ve tried Poseidon but having to dash each time it triggers is both tedious and also gets me killed a far bit

Also, I didn’t know Hestia dash is affected by Supay

[dim kelp]

I think Aphrodite’s is pretty good damage too. It’s more than it looks like, because the AoE hit procs at the beginning and end of the rush. It doesn’t deal damage during the sprint tho, so I think that loses value potential with one of the aspect hammers? There’s one that gives you a benefit while you’re sprinting, right?

[pure grove]

Yeah. +5 power to attacks and specials when sprinting

[dim kelp]

Stabbing Rush might be decent too. You could get Cut Above as well and go for falling sword buffs

[ebon grove]

I like Zeus/Hestia rushs on supay

[dim kelp]

Same problem with not doing damage during the sprint tho (Ares, I mean)

[ebon grove]

Anything with constant uptime is pretty good for me

[dim kelp]

I’m pretty sure it does, but I haven’t tried to test it specifically. Just felt like things were dying real fast when I tried it