h2-builds-and-combat

[split igloo]

Very likely a design choice

[strong dawn]

Similar design to zeus shield in Hades 1

[willow phoenix]

Design choice since they advertised that in the trailer

[sand flower]

that would be a brilliant design imo

[sand flower]

it's way more controllable than zeus shield

[split igloo]

It probably got asked a lot but what do we think about Death and Strength? Which arcana is stronger now? I'v been experimenting with Death, and it feels like the better choice now.

[brazen ore]

i think it depends on where ur pain points are. death is better for boss battles

also, what is a good build/playstyle for mel staff? i know the specials do mondo damage but they seem slow and i'm not sure if i'm supposed to be using them as main damage source or weaving them into attacks

[split igloo]

Aphro x Poseidon duo with Aphro special does a billion damage, especially with the right hammers

[south copper]

But you gotta stay close. Why not reverse that

[brazen ore]

aphro poseidon duo makes it so you dont have to stay close

[south copper]

Well it keeps them weak ya but she has big damage fall off

[brazen ore]

i may be confused. it says it treats all enemies as being close for the purpose of boons, and aphrodite special doesn't inflict weak, it just increases damage

or did you mean like, hers don't scale with poms as well

[south copper]

But you do have to get one of her weaken abilities to get that duo right?
But OK I didn't know that one applied that way

[brazen ore]

nope just flutter strike or flourish

[willow phoenix]

Weaving them into attack is much better unless you have a disgusting amount of attack speed

There are combos for staff but tbh I'm not exactly sure on the details, but usually what I do is dash attack - attack - special on repeat

[brazen ore]

do you use omega special at all or just regular

[willow phoenix]

I found regular special to deal more dps tbh. But depends on your build

[brazen ore]

we'll see. i also might just bite the bullet and try and learn anubis

[willow phoenix]

Try using the o special a lot on Anubis, you can pull the whole room into your attack and blow them up

[brazen ore]

heard, thank u

[spiral wadi]

yo i was just thinking about dealing with rivals eris, is it intended for you to use her lucifer specials to block her attacks

[elfin forge]

idk if they block it but I'm pretty sure she can blow them up

[spiral wadi]

they do block, just weird when they explode and she continues firing, idk if it's a frenzy thing exclusive or not

[jagged zinc]

what's the best atk for anubis in your opinion ?

[elfin forge]

hestia

[jagged zinc]

it's always hestia, right

[elfin forge]

I mean it's frenzy exclusive in the way that she doesn't have lingering bombs in normal

[spiral wadi]

but if they fix it so lucifer blobs do actually consistently block her attacks i wouldn't mind them keeping her tracking speed

ig i'll play around rivals eris more, both frenzy on and off

[elfin forge]

oh nvm I thought you said rivals I'm stupid

though idk if frenzy would change anything here except her turning speed

[spiral wadi]

tru, tho this is an early access game, no shade but im just curious

[cloud scarab]

if you have a gods keepsake, does the effect of having higher likelyhood of boons for that god coming up last beyond a region if you keep the keepsake equipped? Or does the effect end after the region ?

[spiral wadi]

i believe it only lasts for that specific region when it's offered, i think it only carries over if you for whatever reason never see a room with them offered or only get one offered with onion vow on, more likely to happen in thessaly

[elfin forge]

it lasts until you get one boon from that god.

[cloud scarab]

okay thanks

[elfin forge]

so it probably won't go into the next region

if you look carefully at the keepsake description, you'll notice the "more likely boon" part goes away as soon as you grab a boon from the god

[spiral wadi]

it's funny cuz i was using the selene keepsake in oceanus, didn't go to a selene room, unequipped it, and still had the +3 bonus

[elfin forge]

hm it probably applies a one time buff to you, like Fig

[spiral wadi]

tru, i do remember seeing a morrigan run where their fig leaf triggered in two regions

[hallow aspen]

which gods do you guys like for morrigan's and anubis aspect?

[elfin forge]

hestia and hestia

[sly plaza]

Try a bit of Hestia on top of that if you’re really feeling spicy

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1387255646394519646/butwhy.mp4 what did i get hit by,,

[last cape]

Mel torches seem horrendous

[sly plaza]

That Prometheus GUARANTEE. He predicted you would dodge so he used a wonky hitbox 😌

[spiral wadi]

devious...

[sly plaza]

All jokes aside it looks like the animation and hitbox on his kick might not be fully synched up or it stays longer than the animation suggests

[spiral wadi]

i see, i initially thought it was heracles' groundpound having a weird hitbox

[sly plaza]

Could honestly be that too. This fight shows me more stuff every time I attempt it I feel

[spiral wadi]

ye it's got a lot to it, i like it a lot

[sick tide]

Lol, cannot believe I actually beat Unrivaled Chronos with Nergal. The teleporting was annoying, but the damage added up, and the healing from the adds was actually helpful

I hated that weapon so much the first time I tried it, but it outdid my beloved Charon (where I feel like going for the omega specials just got me killed)

[fading shore]

||If I got paid every time a Kronos opponent summoned two bags of gold, I'd be a millionaire already||

[sick tide]

And I’ve been doing super terribly against his buffed battle, the only other aspect I’ve beaten him with is Supay -_-

Now to see if I can actually make Hel work for me, I feel like its range is weird

[broken pond]

hey guys, any advice to beat surface rivals 4? tried several times already, mostly with staff secondary omega + apollo. works just fine till last phase and I really don't get what I need to do there 😦

[spare kite]

If you mean ||the child phase, there's a magic circle you gotta stand for enough time to break the curse, like the asphodel event||

https://youtu.be/44u-Tjz1hkI?t=2m18s time-stamp

[broken pond]

well, I get that, but.. I die faster than I can actually do that 😄

[spare kite]

Is pretty much practice
If you are using death defiances you can use the engraved pin for 10 free seconds of standing in the circle

(assuming you don't trigger the pin before ofc)

[woeful moth]

what is the point of banners when fight em typhon? Unless it is a future investment in the eggs?

[spare kite]

They give blue hearts to nearby enemies every so often

(the same hearts from vow of wards, block the next hit you do)

[woeful moth]

yeah I know, but do they also give blue hearts to typhon?

[spare kite]

I don't think they spawn near enough so nope

[woeful moth]

ah, got it

[sudden inlet]

Supay is ridiculous, there’s no way this is a serious aspect

[spare kite]

Well no is a hidden aspect

[last cape]

wow dancing knives is so bad with morrigan

I got scammed by experimental hammer

[snow wolf]

I'm pretty sure Prometheus kept resisting blood triad damage, "resist" appeared a lot and I only saw the 777 hit him once all fight - did they actually make the Morrigan form useless against him, or was I just distracted by the fight and imagining this?

[sudden inlet]

Dancing Knives is a meme with The Morrígan

[shy quail]

if i could send pictures here I would but I was resetting for artemis bc I haven't gotten her to get the morrigan yet and I got an ephyra spawn with the double health and magick, a hammer, and literally every other door was a god

[sudden inlet]

Ideally you'd want a combo of Phantom Etchings and Banshee Brand because it not only buffs the damage on your Blood Triad but gives it a 35% chance of going off additional times.

[shy quail]

3 aphrodite, 1 ares, 1 hestia, 1 hera

[manic harbor]

What's a good build/vows for doing 32 fear?

I only have 2 levels of rivals

[spare kite]

Did you have the morph ball hex

Or the circe gift that gives your omegas a chance to morph enemies

[snow wolf]

I had the Circe gift, that was it thanks

Was using omegas to trigger blood triad

[misty estuary]

Do i have to do smth in particular to find ares

apparently it´s good with the torches_

[elfin forge]

reach top of surface

[uneven palm]

More specifically face the final boss at the summit (don’t have to win) and Ares will show up start of the next run

Don’t use Forfeit vow

[misty estuary]

?

[elfin forge]

?

[spare kite]

Ares becomes your first boon next run after reaching the summit, if you onion him he can't show up

[uneven palm]

You wanna meet Ares, not an onion

[misty estuary]

Oh

idev what yall mean by onion, i just came back last week from a 1 year break lol

[spare kite]

One of the difficulty modifiers of the oath

[elfin forge]

Vow of forfeit replaces first boon of each zone with a useless onion

[misty estuary]

afaik i haven't done any modifiers

They had no business making eris have so much damage

[south copper]

Emotional or physical?

[opaque yoke]

Please recommend a Melinoe Coat build for me.

[uneven palm]

Probably any combination of Hestia, Hera, Ares, Zeus, Poseidon on attack/special will work out. Mel Coat hits a lot so Static Shock is good

Poseidon attack with Exhaust Riser is a go-to

[summer seal]

How are people running Nergal?

[misty estuary]

Physical

also im using the torches, hera attack then whatever

[manic harbor]

This might be a dumb question, but how do I use aspect of Nyx? I charge up the nightspawn, then what? Do I use it somehow, or is it just a buff?

[elfin forge]

it's a short buff, improving your attack and special

my recommended gameplay loop is omegadash->spam special from midrange

[manic harbor]

Ok, for some reason, the wording made me think it was a physical thing, not a buff, so I was confused.

[elfin forge]

yeah I think that's kind of unclear

[manic harbor]

I think it's the use of the word produce, rather than something like trigger or activate, or even apply or something. Produce makes it sound like it creates something.

[elfin forge]

yep

[manic harbor]

Thank you for clarifying that for me

[sudden inlet]

Aphro or Apollo on attack

[static thicket]

urgent

[elfin forge]

yep

[static thicket]

can someone explain what the pet link cast aspect does?

[elfin forge]

when you press cast, your pet will also put down a cast

[static thicket]

i assume i am doubling my cast? my question is can it stack on two different casrs

[elfin forge]

afterwards, you will have a pink tether between you and them, this does damage to enemies that touch it

[brazen ore]

yes if pet is there

[static thicket]

so I can proc fire cast twice

[elfin forge]

yeah if there's overlap

[brazen ore]

yeah

[elfin forge]

how do ranged casts work? is it still on top of your familiar?

[brazen ore]

I actually do not know, dont think i tried that

I would assume so but have nothing to back that up

[summer seal]

Hera on special?

[sudden inlet]

Hera for Fine Line and Born Gain can also do Apollo on special

[static thicket]

i mssed up my run hahahah

whats the best cast in terms fo damage? its fire right

[sudden inlet]

Just use O special if you do Apollo with Hera and go ham with the stupid amounts of burst damage it does

[elfin forge]

I think it varies? poseidon is best single hit

[sudden inlet]

It’s between Hestia and Poseidon afaik

[elfin forge]

idk if winner's circle speeds up the attack rate of stuff like demeter or zeus

[static thicket]

for the aspect i am using?

[spare kite]

It doesn't speed up anything anymore

The clangs still go at their usual speed then the cast disappears while the clang is still going

[elfin forge]

why would you ever take it except for poseidon

and ares I guess

[spare kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin forge]

also heph because you can stack the clangs now I guess

[spare kite]

I def would have preferred everything speeding up

[elfin forge]

maybe fast tick rates bug out or something though idk

can we get a losers circle with longer casts lol

[spiral wadi]

https://youtu.be/QVvOalNvoTw i saw a vid use hitch morrigan and i had to try it out and wow it's busted

[gritty solstice]

reccomend me an Mel Blades buill

[brave dove]

trick knives

zeus attack, ares or hera special, dash attack to shotgun enemies

[gritty solstice]

if i dont get?

[brave dove]

I mean then go a different build it's kind of hard to give a specific build that you can guarantee :p

if you don't get trick knives, zeus on special instead of attack and then any good attack boon - hestia is particularly good for knives at the moment

[sterile portal]

arc flash while you have zeus special on supay is. a bit silly

one of those builds that feels like cheating lmao

[dim kelp]

Winner’s Circle? There’s several buffs to omega casts that benefit from it tremendously, plus the general omega add-ons like cut above can be triggered more often

[cerulean panther]

Any build that has Glowing Coal or Lightning Rod benefit from Winner's Circle.

[dim kelp]

The omega cast add-ons are no longer mutually exclusive either, so you can have geyser spout and prominence flare and meat grinder and cut above and ocean swell (or whatever the Poseidon version of cut above is)

[cerulean panther]

Geyser Spout.

Ocean Swell is all Omega moves.

[dim kelp]

I mentioned Geyser Spout. Winner’s Circle still lets you do Cut Above and Ocean Swell more often too

[cerulean panther]

Gotcha.

[dim kelp]

But yeah, Lightning lance/glowing coal are great with it too

I had a Circe run with glowing Coal and every omega cast buff and the Hestia/Ares duo that adds a 250 power Wound to fireballs with an epic Winner’s Circle, and I barely had to do anything

[past salmon]

How does glowing coal work with Circe
Does your familiar also shoot a fireball or do they just standard cast circle once it lands

[dim kelp]

Also, Poseidon isn’t the only base cast that does a single burst of damage. Apollo and Hestia cast do too, so they benefit from Winner’s Circle as well. Edit: Also Athena’s cast, which acts just like a base cast boon but layers on top

[dim kelp]

You shoot the fireball, and your familiar casts the circle on them like normal

[past salmon]

Kk

[dim kelp]

So you don’t get the double fireball, but you get a bit more control over cast spacing. Often the familiar will be on top of you unless you really make an effort to get ahead of them

Sometimes you want to stack the casts for double damage, but there are times when it’s useful to spread the AoE I think

If you get Hestia cast and glowing coal, there’s a good chance of getting her legendary, and having more area coverage for eating projectiles is nice

[stuck token]

If anyone is stuck on phase 3 vor chronos, burning desire + island getaway is kind of amazing. I honestly have no idea how you're even supposed to hit him normally. I got lucky with Persephone once

[dim kelp]

Burning Desire is the Aphro/Hestia duo?

[stuck token]

Yeah, it's the one that makes scorch not tick down

[dim kelp]

I have never been able to get both of those duos at the same time

[stuck token]

He doesn't have a debuff reset, so if you tag him once he'll go 100-0 while you dodge

[dim kelp]

That sounds pretty goofy

[stuck token]

Other bosses have a number of invuln/debuff clears so it's nice but not the same

I tried it out on Persephone and couldn't get the boon that boosts burn rate until the final shop, and Persephone boosted it to level 6

[willow phoenix]

The legendary isn't as good as it sounds tbh, a lot of projectiles are not deleted, especially in the summit

[stuck token]

But it's nice in that the combo doesn't really need any specific weapon

[dim kelp]

I’ve had a pretty good experience with it, though I wasn’t necessarily depending on it to delete anything in particular. Just generally having a lower amount of projectiles flying around made it noticeably easier to avoid damage

[stuck token]

Does the Hestia legendary follow the same rules as Athena? Could be a decent way to gauge if it's worth it without having to get the combo

As far as what projectiles are countered

[dim kelp]

I have no idea, but that would make sense

[willow phoenix]

At least with athena if the projectile isn't deflected you still get the iframes, but with fire away a lot of projectiles just go through

Especially useless vs typhon

[dim kelp]

Honestly, I’ve been taking it because I wanted a high/damage projectile cast for Circe, and picking Smoldering Circle and Glowing Coal meets most of the requirements. Usually if I get offered a legendary, I just click it (except Hermes—that one I give some thought to)

The cast is large, though, and you’re not necessarily in it, so if a projectile goes through, you can still just dodge it normally

It’s not like trying to block something with the coat and finding out it’s unblockable and getting stun-locked

[opaque yoke]

Could Zeus be the best Supay build?

[willow phoenix]

Either Hestia or Poseidon, probably Poseidon

[opaque yoke]

and best hammer?

[elfin forge]

probably the extra special projectile one imo

[dim kelp]

Does the “bruiser” vow of fangs perk have any kind of visual indicator besides the icon next to the healthbar?

[native solar]

does anyone know if strike speed works with supay? at first i thought so since i thought its attacks were automatic but then i thought about it more and it doesnt even technically have normal attack or special, just wondering if anyones confirmed it

[wide pollen]

Oh wow they nerfed weak, it hardly lasts any time at all

[elfin forge]

it's fine weak's appliers are like, forever(cast and gain) also dash I guess but you should dash more it's good for you

[ruby karma]

Is Ares godsent hex for Skyfall kind of like, somewhat redundant, since you already get an option to have your hex apply your attack boon, which you probably have a good chance of having already, since you have to choose Ares keepsake at the start of the run to get that godsent?

[elfin forge]

haven't tested it but the wounds cooldown is separate for Ares Lance

[stable herald]

it reapplies Wounds each time yeah

[ruby karma]

Oh ok that's good then!

[willow phoenix]

It's redundant if you get both

But lance of ares deals wound damage on every hit so it actually behaves differently

If you get the zenith upgrade with ares attack the zenith upgrade is wasted though lol

Personally I just choose ares special first for skyfall runs now, since you do want to get Grievous Blow for it

The damage is decent with the recent buff to coat o special damage

[ruby karma]

Gotcha, makes sense

[zinc forge]

How're people feeling about the Skull aspects in this update? Persephone has been so much fun for me personally

and the new aspect is a blast with posidon or hestia

[full sandal]

Doing zeus on attack and poseidon on special and dash is kinda broken

[tall notch]

I like new Persephone, the old one was strange and really slow

[surreal hazel]

So is it me, or is the mel staff actually kinda disgusting now?

if you have the huntress active, normal special does more damage than omega

[willow phoenix]

It's strong yeah

You can do some crazy damage with aphro special

[tall notch]

Is good but disgusting may be overestimating

[surreal hazel]

kinda just deletes weak enemies

[quartz parrot]

Should i upgrade morrigan

[urban blade]

I like the new staff feel kinda cool

[sly plaza]

I love it with Ares

Proc huntress, spam normal special and just delete the room

[jagged zinc]

Is Demeter Ares a good combo for Charon aspect plz ? Not sure if the duo is terrible or good

They both have good boons for Charon idk

[robust prism]

I feel like on Charon you pretty much always want Apollo right

[jagged zinc]

yeah you're right. I think I need the slow on Omega arcana too after some delusion :d

[glossy tulip]

is the arm swing attack for cerberus with vow of revials supposed to damage you if your right behind him?

[willow phoenix]

If you mean the back swipe, it is meant to hit behind him

[solemn loom]

Current stats of all available high fear vods gameplay. Can sort via weapon types and fear difficulty.
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Stats

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[jagged zinc]

I cleared with Apollo and mix of Ares Demeter Zeus. Damages were NUTS but this weapon needs a lot of qol imo

[surreal hazel]

Toula: 0%

[opaque yoke]

Does The Huntress Arcana work with Supay?

[ornate stirrup]

the staff no longer feels weird and janky to use, everything feels smoother! loving this update based on that alone

[half kindle]

Where can I find some information on which boons are mutually exclusive? Thx in advance

[willow phoenix]

It's in the codex now afaik

[dusty grotto]

Question, how do I use the new aspect for descura?

Like I know how controls wise but building for it is tricky, mostly cause I don’t like the omega attack on it

[stoic tinsel]

how do I scale up the damage on aspect of charon?

I currently cannot imagine how it's meant to kill EM4 Typhon quickly

[stoic tinsel]

take hestia attack, put puddle down, profit

it's very low maintenance, just put puddle down and focus on dodging

[sage flame]

how quickly are you talking lol it is typhon tbf

[stoic tinsel]

within a reasonable time frame

I do play with 9 min timer on in the surface

[pale vortex]

Hey guys which hidden aspect do you recommend using and what build on it?

[jagged zinc]

Supay + Hestia is nobrain and very strong

[sage flame]

"normal" charon build should have enough damage to get through timer 1, really it's biggest slow down is not having enough special speed to cast omegas fast

[jagged zinc]

Yes Hermes, Hammer and Selene slow (+ improvement speed with upgrades) are your friends, also can swap arcana

[sage flame]

hel + pos attack is fun

morrigan too, prob hera attack maybe for that

[pale vortex]

I have unlocked morigan and supay for now but im gonna unlock the other too! I guess hel looks nice too

But gonna try supay too

[jagged zinc]

Want to clear Vor Surface with Anubis but this weapon is so strange to use 😢

[sick tide]

Is there a better keepsake for fighting Chronos besides the Knucklebones if you're not good enough to use Artemis?

[spare kite]

Depending on needs
Can do droplet/lion fang/athena/pin if using dds

[sand shadow]

Just won 24 Fear surface, Rivals Typhon with it

Granted I also had the infinite scorch with weak and the scorch does damage faster boons

So supay honestly didn't do that much XD, wasn't necessary

[sick tide]

Oh, so people actually use the lion fang? I lowkey hate the decrease, but I guess it still works ok if you’re direct

[spare kite]

Is basically antler lite

[jagged zinc]

Does the "flags" on vor typhon buff him or is it just for the potential adds ?

I feel like he's out of their range

[willow phoenix]

it's decent. Dps wise you pretty much only has antler, fang, fleece, and evil eye as a keepsake choice. Fleece is pretty much useless since it only buffs omega and evil eye is enemy specific so fang is nice

[robust prism]

fleece useless lol

[sick tide]

Good to know. Is fleece really bad even if it’s Momus?

[robust prism]

nah it's good

[willow phoenix]

If you have any kind of flat damage it won't upgrade it so yeah

[robust prism]

plenty of builds where you're not relying on flat damage

[willow phoenix]

Like say just consider how many flat damage you have in your build like scorch, blitz, cast damages, waves, etc. Fang will upgrade it by around 20%ish while Fleece is 40% for only omega move. That distance is not worth picking fleece unless you have absolutely no flat damage. You also need to consider how +%damage stacks and the power of the omega move. It's very very rare where fleece is worth imo especially considering there's a damage taken requirement

[spare kite]

Yeah the flags don't reach him

[jagged zinc]

ok great, ty

[robust prism]

I mean that is double the amount so as soon as you deal more damage with your actual omega moves than with anything else fleece will be better lol, which is the case at least for me often enough since omega moves apart from like Pan tend to be big hits, Charon and Momus are the first aspects that come to my mind
Also maybe everyone else is just better at the game lmao but by the time I get to the last region the damage requirement is pretty much always met for me if I'm playing at any kind of difficulty, though I'm running death defiances, I guess with strength it might be different

[jagged zinc]

I'm wondering if someone managed to get legendary hestia boon before Eris, the reflect must be insane no ? xd

[atomic ibex]

It is not a reflection of, but rather it destroys her projectiles. But yes, she basically cannot attack while in your cast

[jagged zinc]

it does a 400 burn to the sender

[willow phoenix]

3 second cd though

[jagged zinc]

ah ! 😦

[willow phoenix]

I think it's a legendary while cool in concept kinda lacks use case since most of the time you only get it after you've passed the projectile heavy stages of the game

[jagged zinc]

yeah the boat, Eris

last part has quite a few though

[manic harbor]

Asking again because I didn't get an answer yesterday, what build and vows should I use for a 32 fear run? I got the third level of rivals now, so theoretically, I can get 8 fear from that alone.

[brave dove]

my last 32 was time 3, menace 2, shadow, denial, fangs 2, frenzy 2, rivals 3

[manic harbor]

What build did you use?

[brave dove]

uh, I mean I run that setup on most of my 32s but that specific one was a proof of concept on a lance of ares build

[pale vortex]

May I ask once again, for anubis whixh build do you use? I was thinking something like hestia on attack with demeter on cast and maybe hera on special

[manic harbor]

Technically I only need 24 fear because I'm working on the surface run for champion of night, but I'll need 32 for underworld next, so I figure I can adjust.

[jagged zinc]

I just finished Hestia Atk + Poseidon special spam but it wasnt crazy (for anubis)

[manic harbor]

I'm not a professional, but I feel like Apollo on attack would work well to expand the aoe of the attack, or maybe Hera on attack to apply hitch to everything at once, but that's about all I've got.

[quartz parrot]

can i get a build with morrigan (i dont have ares

[uncut owl]

Anybody try hera rush on supay yet?

its crazy strong - #h2-victory-boasting message

[analog scarab]

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I can't believe they still haven't fixed this bs.

[quaint mauve]

so i guess hard focusing on plasma just for fun isnt the wayy

got to 656% os typhon vowed and i was too fast for confort

[loud terrace]

what do you mean?

[analog scarab]

keepsake

[loud terrace]

can you be more specific on what the issue is?

[sage flame]

zeus didn't show up

thessaly issue

[loud terrace]

right, yeh that happened with ares on mount olympus with me

it's happened a few times, in various regions for me, i just shrug and get another keepsake, never really bothered me, but i can see why it would bother other people definitely.

[analog scarab]

I even used my rolls and 2 Artificer charges and still can't get

[loud terrace]

I guess all you can keep doing is send bug reports

everytime it happens

[sage flame]

common thessaly L

just gotta make sure you get all your gods in ephyra I suppose

[analog scarab]

The point is not just to get trough it. As you can see, I have plenty of time—and therefore enough damage—to keep going. The point is to make sure the game functions properly

[loud terrace]

I can see why it would be frustrating for other players.

[analog scarab]

When this happens at 50+ Fear, it can literally be a run-killer. You just lose a Keepsake for an entire region

[dim kelp]

Can someone explain to me how the poison cure pots work in the unrivaled polyphemus fight? At first, I thought that they just had a cooldown after using them, but they seem to disappear on their own too. Is it just random? Is there any kind of cue for when they're about to change?

[loud terrace]

^^^ This is one of reasons i just stopped choosing the rivals from the oath, it's too buggy and over tuned atm the minute to be even remotely fair or offer a challange, it's just too difficult and frustrating in it's current form and just sucks the fun out the game.

[dim kelp]

My experience of that fight has been really swingy. Sometimes I breeze through it, and sometimes I lose all my HP to poison, and I feel like a lot of it is down to getting lucky or unlucky with being near an active cure pot when I need it

Like, I'm trying to play around them, but sometimes they disappear right when I need one, and then I'm kinda screwed

[analog scarab]

I understand. Some EM fights... they're just unpleasant to touch. You're not fighting the boss, you're just spamming the dash button, endlessly running from tons of BS on the screen.

[dim kelp]

It's not even been like I struggle with melee weapons and do fine with more range. Melee weapons are harder, but I've had knives/axe runs where I cleared that fight easily and staff ones where I died or walked out with single-digit HP

[spare kite]

Are you going to the ones poly destroys during his phase changes

[loud terrace]

If i'm honest, I don't like the unseen update much at all. - there's alot of stuff that's good in it but there's alot of stuff that's just bad. - I'm gonna just wait till V1 is out, cause I can't be bothered anymore and just bored of the game now.

[dim kelp]

No idea, I didn't realize he does destroy cure pots during his phase changes

[spare kite]

Yeah he destroys 1 each time, is why he jumps away

[dim kelp]

Is it that he's destroying a specific one? or that each phase change is -1 cure pot, but any of the locations can still have the cure juice?

[spare kite]

He jumps to any of the fountains and destroys the one he lands on

[analog scarab]

I almost stopped playing after beating all EM bosses. Today I decided to do a run, but ran into a Keepsake BS, so I just closed the game again

[dim kelp]

I see. Well, I haven't been going to ones he's on top of while he's still there, at least. My issue with cure pots disappearing while I'm running to get them has never involved polyphemus landing on the one I'm running to, so far as I can recall

[loud terrace]

Yep ALT+F4 and just wait till V1 is out, which will be ages away. - I wish I'd never bought this game in EA.

[dim kelp]

So I'm confused about what is causing them to disappear, and if there's something that I'm missing that I could be tracking to have more advance warning that that could happen

[loud terrace]

just wait till V1 is out

don't bother stressing yourself out with it atm

[dim kelp]

That might be a good solution for you, but it's not for me

[loud terrace]

the fights bugged

[dim kelp]

I'm just asking if anyone has combat advice/insight to share

[loud terrace]

it needs fixing

[dim kelp]

Can you be more specific? If I'm hitting a bug that's understandable, I can learn to work around it

[quasi mica]

I haven't been able to confirm this because every time it happens Poly jumps directly out of my field of view, but I've been told he smashes a well every phase change

[spare kite]

For melee weapons just gotta play it safe really, wait for his poison effect to go away and what not

[quasi mica]

You can maybe do a lap of the arena every time he phases to verify

[dim kelp]

Thank you, btw, for sharing this info. I will try to pay closer attention to track this mechanic

[spare kite]

Respect his grab cuz it does seem bugged in the range it has and it happens pretty much instantly

[dim kelp]

I have not really had much issue with the grab, TBH. I think I've been grabbed like twice in 10 or so fights

But yeah, I suppose my cure pot issue would be resolved by just not attacking anything when poly's moves are contaminated. I usually just try to dodge them if he doesn't also have a bunch of friends

[quasi mica]

The thing that made new Poly click for me was just overriding the part of my brain that says he's easy and that I don't need to play it safe in that fight

Turns out that strategy doesn't work when he stops being easy

[spare kite]

I swapped to dds just cuz of poly lol

[quasi mica]

Also when Medea starts spreading poison all over the arena the entrance is actually pretty safe from her no matter the pattern I use it as a little time out corner

[spare kite]

(also I think his throwing rock attack is triggered if medea hits him too so mind that)

[dim kelp]

Medea's poison isn't too bad after the first couple of times. The projectiles are slow and it's a standard pattern, so that hasn't been an issue for me, except for when I forget that my weapon has self-knockback

[jagged zinc]

I just demolished vor scylla with Supay and the scuffiest build, 0 chance this aspect isnt nerfed to the ground soon xd

Just walking among the mobs and everything was wiped

[dim kelp]

It's just weird to have the experience of breezing through the fight on 24 fear with the axe and frenzy on, and then to die on 12 fear with 0 frenzy right after

[magic moss]

i once died to a 24F chronos with 240 hp 3 dds

after i had already beaten 50F over 2 dozens times

[lone mirage]

is dd better than strength now?

[pale vortex]

I must say anubis is a great aspect especially with hestia! Gonna try this with hera too! Trying to get marble to unlock the supay aspect

[brave dove]

great chaos trials love making you feel like this by giving you the most wonky-ass vow and arcana setups

[robust prism]

is it just me or is aspect of Moros still just stupidly good lol

[sage flame]

i think a lot of high fear players don't go for god keepsake second region, prob go for something like athena, leaf, or a survivability keepsake just cause they know thessaly is unreliable, then they put on heph or other god keepsake or hammer in olympus

[robust prism]

came back post update and tried a bunch of different aspects and they were a lot of fun but I've been struggling with rivals 4 surface, but as soon as I went back to my old reliable I basically just shred through unrivaled Typhon like it was nothing and only lost 1 dd during the whole run during the child phase

[gaunt canopy]

You should be able to use God keepsakes in any region though lol

[visual moat]

Best build of 32 fear? I want to do a completionist run of this game when the full thing comes out

[sage flame]

yeah fair and I agree but im just saying if ur doing 50+ fear you know to work around thessaly jank

idk what causes major rewards in thessaly to not give priority to keepsakes outside of the very first chamber (which can easily get onioned or just not a major find)

but the devs certainly have gotten many a comment about keepsakes in thessaly since it was introduced

[gaunt canopy]

Probably caused by thessaly being a weird lame mess

[polar ravine]

any hints on rivals 4 surface? or even rivals 4 underworld

[polar ravine]

which one is that again?

[robust prism]

torches

your attacks explode when hit by your specials

[analog scarab]

Focus on dodging. For the first victories, you can use some kind of cheat aspect that does not require any actions to cause damage to the enemy, like the hidden aspects of torches (literally you do not need to do anything except dash and run) and a staff (you put a normal attack and casts under Chronos, then run while he dies)

[last cape]

just got a 32 fear win but seeing 1000s of damage taken over the course of the run does not feel like a win. Typhon did 720 damage to me like wtf

[robust prism]

a win is a win

[last cape]

A win is not a win, winning consistently is a win, and rivals + fury feels really inconsistent right now

[spare kite]

But you won

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1387894480203546654/niceblockbro.mp4 man

[frank creek]

Hi, any tips for 20 fear surface run?

Axe build? Tanatos is to slow

[elfin forge]

I don't play axe so idk

[frank creek]

I need for the testament

helm spliter is to slow

[elfin forge]

yeah don't take helmsplitter lol

my recomendation would be to take Hitch, and then put Aphro or Apollo on your attack

[desert mountain]

Thanatos is pretty speedy if you run Apollo or Aphrodite on Basic Attack

[frank creek]

i was doing tanatos

[elfin forge]

use your dash attack a lot, and be careful not to finish your normal combo

[desert mountain]

A single crit hit decimates a lot of enemies in the game

[frank creek]

with apro, but getting destroyied at the first boss

[elfin forge]

for vows, you probably want to just do Rivals 2, timer 2, and then stuff like Fangs, Return, and Menace, Debt 1, Hubris

[desert mountain]

Use your dash attack as like a poke and go for the first two swings when it's safe.

[elfin forge]

avoid Hordes, Void, Wards, and probably also Scars as well

if you want, you can put Frenzy on, but it'll make stuff tough

[mossy yoke]

genuinely how am i supposed to counter rivals eris laser beams? am i supposed to stand between the beams? a lot of time she ends up standing in fire so i cant camp behind her anymore

[elfin forge]

there's not really a good answer I think

sometimes you can strafe faster then her aim(on frenzy 0 or 1 I think)

sometimes you can just get behind her

if she's like, next to fire, try to stand next to the fire with her, and have her point the laser parallel to it, so you can still dash behind her

it also has limited range, so if she's at one end of the arena, you can just run away

[frank creek]

It worked just beat typhoon with a bit of luck

500 health when i got there, the biggest i ever got

[manic harbor]

Do Freezer Burn and Scalding Vapors work together, or will they clash with each other? Wondering if they synergize or if they'd interfere with each other, I'm assuming they'd clash because they'd be removing the curses you need for the other, but want to confirm

[hazy osprey]

what are yall running with aspect of morrigan?

[sterile portal]

lunar ray is fair and balanced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsnHfzmIA5Y

literally took away half his health in phase 2 which pretty much only lunar ray

busted ass move

[spare kite]

? vapor only removes froth, not scorch

[silent crow]

vapor seems terrible rn

[spare kite]

wait I don't think it removes froth

[silent crow]

the tooltip says it does

[brave dove]

pos cast will just reapply froth instantly anyway

[spare kite]

ah the tooltip, was looking at the codex lol

[brave dove]

don't think it's like freezer burn in that they're locked out of froth again until it ends

[loud moat]

Anyone know how Hostile Climate works with Circe? I ran it once but it seemed to change the circle animation. It no longer cast on my familiar. Although the “freeze” part of it still was?

Anyone have any insight as to what could be happening? Is it doubling up casts on Melinoe?

[narrow bramble]

hey, i’m having a hard time with black coat. can anyone recommend a good aspect and build to go for to beat surface with it? i cant tell if im just not using it right but ive been primarily using nyx +poseidon and i feel like im not getting much damage out there special spamming. (i dont have hidden aspect yet)

[analog ether]

Did an underworld run with Nyx and Hestia special. It spreads Scorch really quickly.

[steady mauve]

I like using aspect of selene and spam omega attack with aphrodite

[spare kite]

Double cast on you yea

[brave dove]

try hestia instead of poseidon and using the nightspawn proc

if you want something a bit more intricate you can try aspect of selene godsent build - you have to start with sword hilt to get this and it takes until mid-region 2 to really start doing anything (you also kinda need to use strength and get athena region 3 for task force), it's a really greedy build

but the hex will do like 10k+ damage per cast if you feed it everything

[south copper]

watching Haelian's latest vids from his stream makes me glad I'm a keyboard player

[uncut juniper]

What are some Arcana you guys always pick? I usually try to activate the Gods legendary and duo boons, and also the epic improve (I wonder if it worth it sometimes). Then Strength and depending if I plan a build on Omega moves the related arcana (like slow down time). The only one which is always active is the damage buff with 2 gods curses

[uneven palm]

Lower left corner for rolls and money, left column for Divinity probably, Strength or Death, Persistence, rest is kinda up to you.

[stuck token]

Scorch works on Typhon right? I never see any values and there's no health bar to confirm, so I assume it does?

[spiral wadi]

yea scorch is applied to typhon, it's just not shown for some reason

[stuck token]

thanks!

[loud moat]

Damnnnnnn that’s nuts. Does it double the omega cast boons as well?

I think some of the animations still stick to the familiar.

Wow so it’s sorta Apollo Legendary for casts.

I wonder, I know they fixed certain things regarding multiple omega cast boons now being compatible. Are Zeus and Hestias “throw” cast boons compatible with Hostile environment?

[quartz lynx]

does anvil ring and winner's circle synergise?

[brave dove]

reportedly that interaction got nerfed this patch

[quartz lynx]

damn

[frank creek]

What is the easiest staff build to run surface? Easy to get going good dps?

I usually do melinoe aspect but it depends on double shoot special

[dawn cipher]

I'm having a lot of fun with circe + artic ring and going for the duo boons. Anubis is also interesting if you want to play typhon safe with poseidon or hestias attack

[frank creek]

I am having trouble click with anubis staff

Still didn't understand exactly how it works and how to play

[dawn cipher]

The strategy is to put down your attack and use the specials to pull enemys in. The shades is just a nice bonus

The specials pull enemys while your attack continuously damages

[dim kelp]

Circe and all the cast buffs has been working pretty well for me. You deal damage with positioning, essentially, so in fights when you have to spend most of your focus on dodging, you can still do a lot

I wrote up my thoughts on Circe a few days ago, if you’re interested #h2-builds-and-combat message

[magic moss]

fwiw

i think the strongest build you can go for with circe is legit just tidal ring gale force

then just go for as much % damage amp as you can

maybe grab apollo for prom flare and tropical cyclone

[dawn cipher]

They fixed prom flare preventing cast placement right?

[dim kelp]

Yeah they did

[dawn cipher]

I know it used to suck for charon

[dim kelp]

If you have winner’s circle, prominence flare on circle can get a bit silly

They also fixed prominence flare preventing you from seeing anything on the screen

[dim kelp]

I cannot for the life of me get Demeter to offer me the gale cast when I’m running Circe

But froth + gale does sound pretty good

[magic moss]

froth + gale is broken as hell

[dim kelp]

The gale doesn’t benefit from supernova though, right?

It just stays the same size?

[magic moss]

yeah

[wild swan]

watches Rivals Polyphemus appear as my #1 source of damage on my victory screen for the umpteenth time

[upbeat socket]

hey guys, does anyone have a cool build for the hidden daggers?? it's the only aspect i've unlocked so far

[spiral wadi]

hestia or hera attack are both the strongest options for morrigan, then special/cast can be whatever tho i like blitz special and freeze cast, the best gain is definitely hestia

[stuck token]

Does aspect of Persephone omega special block chronos insta kill? I'm hesitant to risk a run on it

[spare kite]

it should, you are impervious during it

but also just respect the insta kill lol, unless you have to use your omega to get out

[stuck token]

It's not enough to defeat chronos, you have to disrespect him

[spiral wadi]

true !

[spare kite]

then iframe it with a dash, I dare you

[spiral wadi]

it's possible to bug rivals chronos out of his starter insta-kill attacks in phase 2 if you do enough damage

[stuck token]

lol, I know exactly how that would turn out for me

[willow phoenix]

Yeah, but he'll do it later somehow lol

[spiral wadi]

yea i think it's just funky attack queue stuff

[willow phoenix]

Unless you can force him to summon tempus before that too

[spiral wadi]

i imagine there's like a 67% hp thing that takes precedence over it or smth

[willow phoenix]

https://youtu.be/gYG0XqI_7zY?si=dxqU7isUkTINvcb8
Romantic Spark on Supay is so stupid lol, I need to share this dps

[uneven palm]

Oh good they fixed Romantic Spark against Typhon

[spiral wadi]

romantic spark continuing to slay

[dusty hill]

could you explain what was the interaction that eneded fixing?

[willow phoenix]

I think you used to not be able to sprint to Typhon to trigger romantic spark?

[uneven palm]

In the last patch, RS just wouldn’t trigger against Typhon. Probably (guessing) something about how they calculated your distance to him. You’d just never seem like “close” to him to trigger RS

With sprinting

[dusty hill]

I see, sounds like there was an invisible gap between you two

im the mood for a crazy broken - easy build, so I might try copying that one

[uneven palm]

I think Master Conductor didn’t work either for the same reason. Presumably that’s better now too

[stiff mason]

any tip builds for axe, im so bad at it

[elfin forge]

get aphro attack and hitch

[willow phoenix]

I don't think so for this one

[uneven palm]

Rats

[dusty hill]

maybe i should try getting the third of skellys statues

[elfin forge]

should be easier now

[dusty hill]

now as in since the unseen update?

[uneven palm]

I think you just need 24 fear on the surface now?

[willow phoenix]

Yeah they reduced the fear requirement, there's rivals too

[dusty hill]

ah, didn't know it use to be higher

I sill don't have supay, oh well

[uneven palm]

You can do that same RS build with like Mel Torches, just need some magick for O specials

[elfin forge]

you could just use medea

[dusty hill]

thats for the skull, right?

what would the build be for that?

[elfin forge]

zeus special aphro/hera/ares attack

the strategy is one attack, then special at the enemy

[dusty hill]

one attack at the time?

[elfin forge]

yeah, don't do all of them in one

[dusty hill]

alright, I'm gonna try it

i have a bunch of nightmare to upgrade it

[elfin forge]

the amount of damage you do is kind of up to how fast you can click

[neon crown]

what kind of boons does shiva want?

[ember breach]

Apollo on Special seems beneficial, I'm really having trouble making this aspect work... satisfyingly though, and it could be that I just don't click with the weapon.

I think at the end of the day it wants %damage on attack, so Aphrodite ideally.

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1388045921593593977/downloadfile3.jpg is this normal

[elfin forge]

[spiral wadi]

me, a steam deck player (gotta open the game on my computer rq)

[elfin forge]

I hope the dodge one doesnt have this issue

[spiral wadi]

-5% dodge chance, get hit twice

[elfin forge]

or subtracting from your other dodge sources lol

[spiral wadi]

yea that's the most likely one, but fun to imagine the scenarios

[surreal hazel]

dodge doesn't add or subtract, it multiplies

[glass tapir]

Yes. You can also parry it with Artemis daggers, which is sick as hell.

[analog scarab]

In fact, it triggers on any damage. Whether it's poison, fire at your feet, or an AoE attack—it doesn't matter. However, it won't trigger on a Poly grab because it doesn't deal damage immediately

[royal ledge]

@tawdry knoll You only need 8 of one of the elements to activate Tall Order. NOT 8 of each.

[nimble prism]

What are the good casts i can run with Persephone skull ?

[jagged zinc]

Hel aspect with Hera ospecial + Poseidon atk = very good

[royal ledge]

Poseidon is great for quickly filling your sprouted meter, and it also inflicts a status curse now. Demeter is always a safe pick for your cast, offering the best defensive utility.

[short ingot]

why am I taking so much damage?
https://youtu.be/YrJRh9Mq8a8

[summer seal]

What are the preferred hammers for Hel skull?

[unique torrent]

i am realy struggeling to get my first surface compleation doas anyone have some build recomendations? i find it extreamly hard to find good build on yt and other platforms

[analog scarab]

похоже это связано с твоим саммоном. Каждый раз ты получал урон после того как перекастовывал заклинание. Видимо, из-за того, что этот самон заливает тебе хп его смерть регает тебе отрицательное хп или типа того

наверняка хилящий луч на самом деле закодирован как атака с отрицательным уроном

отсюда и баг

[manic juniper]

what do u like to use

[jagged zinc]

what the f

[willow phoenix]

supay's definitely getting nerfed lol

[fading shore]

the thing is that u can do this with any weapon

[jagged zinc]

copium

[willow phoenix]

With other weapons you can't also be doing 600 per hit thunder rush

[fading shore]

kings ransom always was like that

[unique torrent]

i played axe and staff with melinoe a good amout by just putting aphrodite on the special or attack

[fading shore]

this doesnt matter lol

the biggest dmg here is special

[willow phoenix]

not really, the rush amounts to a big part of the total damage

[fading shore]

im pretty sure its just room clear

[willow phoenix]

nah I had RS from ephyra

[jagged zinc]

Supay isnt balanced it's pretty obvious

[high lion]

focus on health...and try and build with a focus on damage aphro and ares are a good combo and also go for the posideon boons which offers the extra coins and the change to get double

[fading shore]

https://youtu.be/lRiIFo7zCgA
previous patch but still

[unique torrent]

okay ty is there any other build you personally really enjoy?

[fading shore]

its kings ransom that gives you insane dmg

not supay

u can remove dash dmg part from supay completely its still will be great aspect

[willow phoenix]

you can put any dash on Supay outside of Hera, Heph, Apollo and it will still do insane damage

[fading shore]

you just excluded half gods from the pool

[high lion]

im not not a consistent player i just really pick the ones which i think are working best tbh...but like i said the aphro ares (ares for attack and aphro for special)(then demeter for omega) thats basically how ive done it but then ive been playing from the start so ive completed the surface before it was finished

[unique torrent]

hm okay thx for help

[willow phoenix]

and? The fact that people can do insane speedruns with insane damage with just 1 boon is definitely subject to balancing

[fading shore]

Idk I've played supay without focusing on dash

I dont really watch speedruns

[high lion]

supay with hera is fun

[jagged zinc]

He kills it 20s faster than you and it's VoR, it's not the same dps bro

excluding p3

[fading shore]

its wasnt perfect kings ransom obviously

its was like +12 or +16 lvl

[willow phoenix]

that just means the aspect is even more broken lol

[fading shore]

I mean I never said its not.
Its pretty obvious its stronger than other torches or even other weapons

[high lion]

i hope they dont nerf that hera connect thing because its so fun

[fading shore]

just the fact that its auto attack is enough to make this aspect broken

[high lion]

the fact a patch is taking so long is sccaring me

[jagged zinc]

trust me, i'm a complete noob and when I struggle to do something, I always pull the Supay to one tap it. This weap is broken :d

[high lion]

i just know they gonna nerf Hera's boons and supay

[fading shore]

Btw have somebody talked about the fact that Cronos healing clock enemies can heal you?

I just did a run with Hera/Aphro duo and clock healed me to full

[high lion]

idk i normally have enough health to not worry XD and i just wallop his ass although im on the final darkness trial or whatever its called so im yet to see his new phase super boss mode

[fading shore]

his VoR is insane

[high lion]

ive only beat the new prometheus thing and that wasnt easy

[fading shore]

the Typhon VoR cant even compete

[high lion]

him and ||Heracles|| together aint easy

[fading shore]

I did Typhon VoR first try

and VoR Cronos took me like 3-4 tries to kill

and i had to abuse moon water

but moon water is just auto win honestly

[jagged zinc]

I did the opposite, one tap Cronos and several tries for Typhoon... But the boss I struggled the most was/is Prometheus xd

[high lion]

oh wow its that bad the chronos thing eh? cant imagine typhons VoR considering its more of a pain to get to him then actually fighting him

[willow phoenix]

Typhon's more learnable ngl and far more vulnerable to big dps. Chronos just has a lot of rng on which move he uses

[fading shore]

Cronos just thinks he can cosplay flash on frenzy 2

if u dont have range dmg you are kinda cooked

[brave dove]

I genuinely don't understand why people are talking about supay being obviously overpowered and definitely going to get nerfed when medea hasn't been nerfed in like eight patches

like is the going theory that medea is the director's favourite weapon or something

why is supay getting special cased here when it's like, arguably not even the strongest hidden aspect

(I would say that's anubis or morrigan, supay is a close second to those two)

[quaint mauve]

i got utterly boned on great chaos above
game gave me white antler as last keepsake

now in the right channel

[brave dove]

lock in, gamer

[quaint mauve]

if only i wasnt rocking shivas lol

[polar ravine]

Because it's too easy to break and doesn't require difficult to find/obtain boons

[brave dove]

neither do any of the other three mentioned

I'd actually say supay is finickier than all of them wrt build

morrigan and anubis literally just need hestia attack that's it, and they don't even need that they can make do with others

medea needs zeus special

[quaint mauve]

doesnt hestia special or attack also makes supay idiotic?

[brave dove]

supay needs added damage on three core slots to measure up

[brave dove]

oh don't get me wrong supay's really really good but I feel a lot of the perception is just that it's very obvious what you should build on it and how you should play it

it's basically giving 'normal players' access to the kind of power vets can get out of the top weapons and I think that's... fine?

[quaint mauve]

i did went hephaestus supay just to prove a point

[brave dove]

if fate manages to beat foolish's WR with it then yeah okay maybe we should tune it down because it shouldn't be the top speedrunner weapon but right now that hasn't happened and I don't know that it will

it's like ospecial pan knives pre-nerf in that it's a very accessible strong weapon

[quaint mauve]

oh, i dont think its fast, its just fun to stand still most of the time

[brave dove]

Oh, it is fast. Take Hestia heroic dash first boon.

See what time you can get on anyfear

[quaint mauve]

but wouldn't that make supay worthless since you're hestia trails for damage?

[brave dove]

supay buffs your rush boons something major

you pick up special and attack boons later but hestia dash will trivialise erebus all by itself

[quaint mauve]

imma go try it rn brb

ok that is very stupid

[thin cloud]

Is it better to rarify a common that is used often in your build, when you can rarify a rare?

[high lion]

i like that there is diffculty because ive felt its been too easy even with all the VoR on top because hades I you struggled for a while the whole way through

[quaint mauve]

i honestly feel like hades 1 is easier than 2nd

[high lion]

it might just be because most of us have completed the first game back to front that its not that hard...i think for me its more the underworld route which feels too easy...and the surface of course is a bit harder but not really too hard with the right builds, but ive not played many Rougelike games so cant say...maybe my experience of gaming and repeatley doing a boss battle 50 times over

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah as long as supay is not somehow trivializing 5 min timer it's fine

[stoic tinsel]

Are you playing with vow of rivals yet

[high lion]

oh yh i do but not the 50 i do least max 15

[stoic tinsel]

Rarify your top dps boon, doesn't matter what it started out as

[stoic tinsel]

15 is low, turn it up

[high lion]

tbh i dont think right now though there is any reward for that so it feels pointless because its not like hades I where you had no choice but to turn it up in order to get the main rewards instead of gems or darkness

[stoic tinsel]

I'm still very bad at bosses so I am not yet taking any vows that make bosses harder other than vow of rivals. I'm still at 29 fear

[stoic tinsel]

You take fear for fun

[high lion]

but it is EA so its fair thats not implemented

[brave dove]

I mean

no one was doing 50 heat in hades 1 for the rewards I'm gonna be really real :p

[high lion]

also i dont wanna max everything out because i dont know how it will change in the final game

im not a casual player so that might be, but i wanna feel the diffculty like i felt at 10 fighting terra xenhort from birth by sleep Kingdom hearts the final boss battle of the game

[stoic tinsel]

Oh you like data fights in KH?

Yeah go turn on vow of frenzy and have a blast

Then as you get used to it add on vow of pain and vow of scars, and you have yourself a very sweaty game

[jagged zinc]

Best Dagger for a free w ? Morrigan is a bit overrated imo, wondering if Pan or Artemis would be better

[high lion]

birth by sleep will always been my favourite kh game because it was my first and i love that kh3 wrapped up what happened in birth by sleep

[stoic tinsel]

I'm pretty sure it's still morrigan, the other aspects are basically worse versions of other weapons

Blood triad automatically solving early damage gives you a massize buffer against bad luck

[pure grove]

I’ve been experimenting with intentionally leaving it common and using narc keepsake to rarify it, but honestly it’s not that great because you miss out on upfront benefits in Erebus (especially with the rivals fights) and you have to spend rerolls to keep that boon your only common

[stoic tinsel]

Narc is also unreliable, you want to take boons

[pure grove]

Ideally it works with max roll Persephone skull and Blitz, Scorch, or Poseidon, but the rng for that is already inconsistent enough to simply go for something more fun

[brave dove]

Morrigan is the best knives aspect but it has a pretty high skill floor of knowing tech to get running, easiest is probably trick knives mel, slap zeus on attack and ares on special, look for heinous affront if you can get it

if you like the parry use artemis instead, pan trick knives plays a bit differently in that you use it for safe damage rather than shotgunning

[pure grove]

If you get winner’s circle on Morrigan, you have a much faster (and easier) rate of 777 damage, but since you can’t guarantee Hermes like the other gods, you can go Omega Special into attack into special to trigger it.

[jagged zinc]

Ok thanks for all the answer. In my distant memories Pan had insane damages with the right boons hence my questions

[stoic tinsel]

Why did it not occur to me that zeus was good on morrigan

[brave dove]

it's not great I was talking about trick knives, which morrigan doesn't have

zeus special is great mind but zeus attack... there's better options

[jagged zinc]

Morrigan I usually go Hera on Atk, then hopefully Hepha or Hestia on special

[stoic tinsel]

O-attack and O-special having their use cases makes morrigan so cool

O-special is faster but your special is locked out for the duration

[pure grove]

O special also hits twice, so you can combo the current blood triad into another

However, my builds with Morrigan inevitably become variations of the geyser spout build because of my favoritism for winner’s circle :P

[stoic tinsel]

Winner's circle is good tech but it can't be counted on ig

also winner's circle means less arctic ringing 😦

[quartz parrot]

Guys whats a good build for morrigan

[pure grove]

i never take demeter at this point because her freeze just doesn't feel as impactful, but maybe that's because i'm currently trying to bash my head in with hordes 3 (32 fear)

[stoic tinsel]

That's good timing

[quartz parrot]

Cuz i like ares on atack so O special goes brrrr

[stoic tinsel]

Look at that there's no clear consensus for morrigan

Cool ass design

[pure grove]

my personal build is start with aphrodite attack, get poseidon cast for the duo and potential cast build shenanigans, pray for winner's circle and if not, go with any god on special and whatever procs origination on the dash

[quartz parrot]

I like zeus spesh

[pure grove]

it's worth noting that the poseidon-aphrodite duo is only there purely so that the omega attack isn't terrible

[quartz parrot]

Wut ;-; i like omega special

I think its good but im starting sooo

[quartz parrot]

Because sometimes my O atack does 600 damage

[pure grove]

yeah, but since it strikes 3 times and two of those times are on far away enemies, aphrodite attack does almost nothing for it

[pure grove]

i have no notes for the omega special. not my favorite since it locks you out of doing specials in general

[quartz parrot]

I have been too typhon for three times and all those times with morrigan and on second phase i just cant seem too kill him

He seems so low to

[stoic tinsel]

Typhon is a very very beefy boi

[vapid cave]

Anyone here in the know if "Reckless Abandon" (5,55,555 thing) + Air Quality (min. 50 thing) from Zeus is worth it on a Poseidon-Attack Skull run?

I just wanna know if it could potentially destroy my run bc I'd rather not have that happen lmao or if it potentially might even be good

[stoic tinsel]

That sounds good

[vapid cave]

ill just bite the bullet and see how it goes. that boon scares me haha

[pure grove]

it sounds very good, actually, since air quality should make it deal 50 regardless of low rolls

[vapid cave]

the numbers all work out in my head but then again they also did back in school and i still continuously failed my math tests haha

thx for the input! <3

[quaint mauve]

lone shades from anubis could apply the boon on attack

that would make me want to get them more

also the whole attacking mechanic is weird, the 'waves' apply thing like hestia but doesnt proc hestias mana boon, also doenst proc arrow from artemis

[tall notch]

I felt like freeze only got better with hordes because there's more going on and you get value out of calming the fight down

[uneven palm]

Freeze is, like, the best

Only annoying thing is when it freezes Tasmanian devil bots mid-spin and their hurtbox is still active

[vapid cave]

happy to report the run was successful and I was only 1 hit away from dying 3 seperate times. all chill

[brave dove]

why on earth do you have hordes 3 on for 32 @_@

[tall notch]

That's still better than them spinning around tho

[brave dove]

no wonder it feels like you're bashing your head against a wall

hordes 3 is probably the hardest non-void 4 vow in the game

it multiplies the effects of every other non-boss-related vow by 1.6

[tall notch]

Call me crazy but I'd still take hordes3 over onion

[brave dove]

you're crazy

[tall notch]

I would take void 3 over onion

[vapid cave]

i'm still not sure how to feel about the trade-off of Denial. it feels very limiting at one point, but I can't tell if anything else would have been easier to handle instead at high heat. what'

[brave dove]

I took onion on my 32s last patch it's not that bad

[vapid cave]

*whats the common consensus on it?

[brave dove]

denial is interesting in that unless you are going for a zeus build it can actually be controlled in a way that's helpful

[tall notch]

I would rather run 55f (old 50f except onion+rivals 3) than 3f wiyh only onion

I may have a strong dislike for that vow i shall admit

[jagged zinc]

ty man you inspired me to do Apollo atk, then full OCast with mix Apollo Demeter Zeus and Hermes boon, it was a blast and very fun :d

[quartz parrot]

leeesssss gooooooo i finally beat typhon !!!!!!

[pure grove]

So the reason why I didn’t take onion was because I ran it with hordes. Guess how well that went with the axe

Needless to say, I died in Erebus

[brave dove]

yeaaaaah

[elfin forge]

onion erebus my beloathed

[brave dove]

hordes is... rough, I'd suggest something like... rivals 3, time 3, hubris 2, shadow, denial, menace 2, frenzy 2, scars 1, pain 1 (1 point of your choice)?

[pure grove]

Time 3 isn’t doable for me since my runs always go just over 20-21 minutes, unfortunately. I haven’t tried hubris yet though, that looks interesting (and I will always take rivals 4 because it’s fun)

[fading shore]

Im playing 34 fear
Time 3, rivals 4, shadow, frenzy 2, menace 2, fangs 2
Its fun and decently hard at the same time

No annoying vows like onion and hubris or denial

so u can build pretty much anything u want

[urban blade]

I still need to kill the bastard

[manic harbor]

Is Inverted Blaze any good with Supay?

[quartz parrot]

if i can do it you can

[urban blade]

I think come close just hard to tell with no heath bar i had one good run hadn’t lost any life then i got to the eye of his and took all but one of my lifes

[manic harbor]

I struggled with him when using dd, I got my first win with strength instead. With enough hp and a good combination of other boons, you can practically tank his hits while beating on him.

[brave dove]

learning time 3 will probably be easier than any of the other vows, but it's up to you

[analog ether]

Did a Fine Line run for the fun of it.

Still pretty good.

Granted, I got basically everything I could've wanted for it. But still.

[brave dove]

fine line's still solid it's just not a huge meme like it used to be with torches

[analog scarab]

Is Hestia’s Legendary garbage again? Half the ranged attacks in the game just ignore it. Eris’ lasers, Eris’ bombs, Hercules’ and Prometheus’ ranged attacks, dragon breath. Honestly, the only time this Legendary felt actually useful was against ranged automatons.

Why did they even make this boon? I don’t get it. If it worked against all ranged attacks, it’d obviously be OP—but in its current state…

[analog ether]

It already existed for a while. Used to be her Dash boon.

[analog scarab]

Yep. The most useless dash in the game.

What’s even the point of (old) Hestia’s dash when Athena exists?

[analog ether]

Her new Dash I think fits better than as her old Legendary.

As for the current Legendary....

It could probably stand to apply to more projectiles, but I haven't had much chance to actually use it.

[brave dove]

it's one of those legendaries that's a huge pain to get

[analog scarab]

The old Legendary with the bugged slow-cook effect was hilarious. I cleared a few 50 Heat runs like that

[robust prism]

btw what aspects are ares attack/special even good on I almost never pick them to be honest

[willow phoenix]

yea it's pretty much useless

especially in the surface

Only blocks like prom rapid fire punch projectiles and chronos orbs as far as rivals bosses go

[elfin forge]

standard arcana setup is left column, reroll corner, and then Wayward son, Huntress, Persistence, Origination, and Strength/Death.

Other good cards to consider are Lovers, Artificer, and Eternity(for omega setups especially)

[robust prism]

isn't excellence still kinda terrible

[brave dove]

yeah turns out while the 50% is additive for rare it's multiplicative for legendaries

[willow phoenix]

oh only multiplicative, that's why I still didn't get any legendaries lol

[elfin forge]

damn rip

[spice canopy]

Any build with aspect of supay umbral flames?

[elfin forge]

Hestia Special, Zeus Attack has been absolutely killer for me

[fading shore]

honestly this should be swaped

zeus special hestia attack is much much better

like rare hestia attack will have 100% scorch uptime

and zeus special just does more dmg

[elfin forge]

is the attack good for aoe though

the perk of special is that you can cleave through a whole crammed room of enemies

[split igloo]

@brave dove you gotta try the most silly nergal tech (ik u dont like it) Aphro attack / Sanguinary saviour + rapid slash and mutual destruction

[fading shore]

I played like that a few times

[split igloo]

the most whack a mole stuff ive seen

[fading shore]

didnt have problems with aoe

[elfin forge]

idk I've stuck with hestia special this whole time and it just works

[fading shore]

I guess its just preference

[jovial cove]

yeah I feel like nergal doesn't struggle against mobs, it's the bosses that are tough

[fading shore]

I also wonder why even hestia/zeus duo exists if scorch is now capped at 999

On most weapons that play scorch capping it takes like 1 second

[elfin forge]

fr

this is my pb with hestia special so far, do you think it'd be better with attack instead?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1388240516990238861/Screenshot_2025-06-24_at_3.07.34_PM.png?ex=6860433b&is=685ef1bb&hm=2d41c850b121e5597067586cfcac5ffd86bc4deb9b31ac70de772d31094a6957&

honestly don't know lol, maybe I give it a spin this weekend

[fading shore]

I might just be biased because like hestia special was garbage for like 4-5 patches i think

huh

u literally cant apply more than 999 scorch to one enemy

[stable herald]

Romantic Spark Supay is the way

Zeus special and Aphro Gain for the duo. Hestia on attack and try and get her duos with Zeus and Aphro. Either Zeus or Hestia for the dash. Arc Flash too.

[jovial cove]

I'm still in the "hestia is garbage" mindset. Not sure how to break out of it

[elfin forge]

no they can only have 999 scorch on them. If you stop applying scorch you'll notice it starts draining right away

[fading shore]

Actually she might be one of the strongest gods right now

[elfin forge]

if they stay at 999 you might have Aphro Hestia duo

[fading shore]

like half of new hidden aspects works great with scorch

[stable herald]

And Scorch got a huge buff too

[fading shore]

and freezer burn exist

[stable herald]

Freezer Burn my beloved

I liked Hestia and Black Coat before the buffs!

[fading shore]

nuking bosses with ~3k dmg per freezer burn proc still works

[elfin forge]

I believe that's a known glitch

[brave dove]

scorch is affected by global damage modifiers and freezer burn natively doubles it

[stable herald]

Can't Freezer Burn crit, too?

[brave dove]

It can indeed!

[fading shore]

bro like in this clip freezer burn proc as soon as 999 scorch hits

[brave dove]

Scorch's default max consumption is 100 per second

Pyro technique and I believe certain speed modifiers increase this, the reason your damage is higher than 100 dps is because that 100 damage is then impacted by (most) global damage modifiers

Including crit, I believe

[stable herald]

Does Scorch still benefit from Air Quality?

[brave dove]

You can get it higher with Hestia Godsent, probably her legendary as well

[fading shore]

its just said we cant see dmg number but im pretty sure its just lucky 4% raki crit

[brave dove]

It does but it doesn't increase rate of consumption

[elfin forge]

isn't it kinda easy to get above 50 damage per tick

[brave dove]

it sets the minimum damage of scorch's six-per-second ticks to 50

[elfin forge]

by default, Scorch does 16.67 damage per tick

[brave dove]

for 300 dps - you can get higher but you need a pretty upgraded pyro technique + global damage mods

without all that adding pyro technique just consumes more scorch for the same damage when you have air quality

[jovial cove]

oh hestia can set fire to the oil slicks I forgot about that.
can demeter snuff them out?

[shy quail]

Yay, i have every weapon maxed out and aspects, beat every VoR, every pet fully maxed, every chaos trial done, almost every oath trial done, but still no aspect of The Morrigan

[elfin forge]

nope

[jovial cove]

tragic

[split igloo]

ngl ares legendary goes bonkers with the new aspects

tried it with anubis on attack with hestia and it went bonkers

[jovial cove]

how do I deal with eris' pulse bombs on rivals mode

[dim kelp]

So, if global damage buffs can increase the amount of damage per tick of scorch, are they increasing the amount of scorch that is being applied and then also increasing the consumption rate? Or is it that “scorch” isn’t damage until it is consumed, so the consumption step is where the damage buff applies? So like, without pyro technique, it’s still consuming 16.67 scorch per tick, but with a +100% global damage buff, it’s doing 33.3 damage per tick?

[shy quail]

me personally i use a ranged attack to blow them up in like a chain reaction with eachother before I walk in them

[brave dove]

my understanding is it's the last one there

[willow phoenix]

Nope her legendary doesn't do anything like that

[brave dove]

damn

[jovial cove]

I didn't know you could do that

[shy quail]

yeah they explode any time you dash in their radius, you attack them, eris attacks them, or another explodes and hits it

[dim kelp]

Thank you for this explanation btw, I finally understand what the wiki entry on Pyro Technique is trying to say now

[brave dove]

I stole it from hippo so

[sick tide]

I had the Zeus/Ares Duo on Medea with Visceral Impact, and it really was hilarious once I got to over 300%. Managing the instakill phases for Chronos was a little scary -_-

Also for melee builds is there…a standard place in the VoR Chronos to attack him? It’s honestly frustrating just chasing him there

[brave dove]

hahahaha

no

[charred seal]

might do an ares critfish build, should i go with mel staff for max damage?

(please dont make me play the axe ill cry)

might try with mel blades

[fading shore]

critfish?

like crit run?

[odd fulcrum]

Idk if this is the right channel for it but how to I get the hidden aspect for the skull

[fading shore]

speak with medea

[odd fulcrum]

Sweet thanks

[fading shore]

repeat until she starts correct dialog

[odd fulcrum]

Lovely much appreciated

[charred seal]

yeah, lol

but with the ares damage doubling too

[fading shore]

oh well

any weapon works honestly

just your preference

[charred seal]

I'm gonna try with daggers first and then probably do it with charon, see what gets me bigger numbers

i wonder if i can do 5 digits lmaoo

[fading shore]

yeah daggers especially artemis aspect seems reasonable

[fading shore]

with aphro attack sweeping ambush,skulking onslaught hammers crit and ares crit and some global dmg u actually might hit 5 digits 😁

[charred seal]

artemis aspect is definitely the reasonable one, since it gets rid of one layer of rng.

however. mel knives might get me a bigger number

[charred seal]

weed killer too?

[fading shore]

and weed killer right

[charred seal]

I'm so gonna try it out tomorrow, its gonna be really funny

[fading shore]

gl hitting it tomorrow then

big numbers are always fun

[manic harbor]

Does possessed array trigger fine line?

[fading shore]

yes

[charred seal]

whats the 4th god gonna be?

[fading shore]

apollo?

for more backstab dmg

[charred seal]

back burner seems decent. extra dose synergises with the build

no nvm it doesnt :(

[manic harbor]

With Medea, would I be better putting Ares on attack and Zeus on special, or Zeus on attack and Ares on special? My thoughts are Ares attack, because if I load up more than one shell, won't it be possible to trigger heinous affront more than once?

Or increase the chances of it triggering at least?

[sly plaza]

Zeus special iirc because that way you apply the Blitz first and then the attack with Wounds all but guarantees a trigger

[manic harbor]

Thank you

[urban blade]

i did with strenght

[cloud scarab]

does faster attack on anubis staff mean the attack animation until the field is up is faster or the dmg tick rate is faster?

[manic harbor]

You got him?

[urban blade]

yea boy

[manic harbor]

Congrats! That first win feels pretty awesome when you get it.

[urban blade]

it did indeed i had a good run tbf

i sent u a pick on dms

[atomic flicker]

First time poster here. Not sure if this is the right thread to post this. Is it just me or would it be nice to have the God that provided the Boon in the Boon Info list during gameplay. I find myself trying to recall the previous Boon sources when making selections and it’s hard to recall just based on the color once it’s in your inventory. Thanks for listening.

[harsh glacier]

do you guys go hestia or zeus on anubis attack?

[spiral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773298528310001716/1388338681471045643/whysofast.mp4 what kinda attack speed

[spiral wadi]

i believe hestia attack zeus special is the typical build

[wintry wasp]

Chat, does Uncanny Fortitude update along your magick limit?

[spare kite]

yes

[wintry wasp]

Omg

Thank u

[thin cloud]

So my build needs a lot of ares boons to base duos off of, but I can never seem to get enough, is it worth the risk to just keep the ares keepsake for more than one region to make them more likely instead of filling up my boon pool ASAP?

[spare kite]

the keepsake doesn't work multiple times, fill the pool

[thin cloud]

Oh dang, I figured only the rarify wouldnt carry over, but the increased chance doesnt even occur?

[spare kite]

while the wording is that the actual effect is basically "the next boon will be your keepsake god"

[thin cloud]

If I want to get universal donor as quickly as possible, should I go for hera or ares first? My build is focused around ares generally

[stuck token]

What affects Omega special duration for Persephone aspect with the skull? It feels like sometimes it lasts 2-3 times longer

[elfin forge]

the aspects effect

if you do any olympian damage, you buff up your next ospec

[stuck token]

Ah, that makes sense, thank you

[thin cloud]

Is excellence worth taking now?

[uneven palm]

It’s better than before but imo not great

[thin cloud]

When you reroll a minor reward location, can it become a major reward?

[uneven palm]

No

[thin cloud]

What would be a fun build to do air quality on?

[willow phoenix]

circe dem cast dem sprint arctic gale meat grinder hostile environment. If you can get it Dem Godsent too

full on air quality the build

[devout yarrow]

Sea star is so funny with success rate holy

You can farm so much hp

[devout yarrow]

Does arc flash work with a cast that hits while it’s going

Like demeter cast

[sand shadow]

Guys Supay Blood Spree is utterly ridiculous 😭

I don't even have to dodge

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FIRST 32 FEAR UNDERWORLD CLEAR

[native solar]

how does ares-demeter cast duo work with things like toasting fork (zeus's cast at cursor), does getting the zeus boon just make it impossible to get the ares one?

[jagged zinc]

Gz, just did it too, best to abuse Supay when possible :d

[daring nexus]

Anyone got suggestions for Hephaestus builds?
I know some Gods work better with fast hits vs some working better with slow hits, but I can't really figure out what would go well with the blast effects.

[brave dove]

My suggestion is to pick a different core god

[willow phoenix]

Persephone skull and aim for 2-3sec blast in 1st biome to make it work

[tall notch]

Oh yeah if you want to clank you click Persephone and get all the duos

[willow phoenix]

For what goes well, pretty much just backburner, any global damage buff, and the blast duos

Blast can get very filthy strong with the correct boons. You can hit like 2x2k blast every 2 seconds

[brave dove]

his cast isn't bad but clang on attack and special are just not good

[brave dove]

at the same level of optimisation on other builds you can hit 2k damage without a cooldown, this is my gripe

[willow phoenix]

Tbf it's really only just chain reaction and backburner. Stuff like Room Temperature can also give perma freeze. And it's not like your other attacks are doing nothing with it

It may not be the best build in the game but it's definitely not weak

[brave dove]

well I mean more getting the heph blast cd down to 2 in the first place

that's either a lot of resets with persephone or an insane investment of opportunity cost via poms

and you could put that investment into his cast on circe and it'd do way better

[tall notch]

But @brave dove have you considered that more clank = more fun?

[brave dove]

if people are more aware that heph's cores are just bad rather than their buildcrafting being the issue maybe SGG will buff him

yeah you can make him work and chicken's build is probably the best for it but it bears saying that his core boons sans cast are just the worst in the game and the issue is not with the player for not finding a way to make them good

[tall notch]

Specifically on Persephone is there a better way to make use of her pomming capabilities than clank?

[willow phoenix]

I don't think they will do any significant changes for him tbh

Not that long anymore to 1.0 for big changes

[brave dove]

if you don't like circe or raki, probably the second or third best cast weapon?

[brave dove]

[tall notch]

EW cast Persephone???

[brave dove]

hey try it, it's actually decent

a level 6 heroic clang cast will fully charge your special meter if you catch more than like, two enemies in it

and then you can drop another one and get in the car

[tall notch]

I have ptsd from old Persephone forcing you to do cast stuff

[brave dove]

I'm not actually entirely convinced that circe is the best cast weapon for people who feel that they need frinos or gale

[tall notch]

20:46 clear at 50f

[brave dove]

simply tank the timer-

like it's actually I think going to put circe behind anubis for very high fear, it just does not feel good with gale

even though I think circe's damage is so cracked that it's otherwise much better

[tall notch]

Or you can just not get hit 👍

[brave dove]

yeah my absence of 58f circe victory screens is telling you how well that's going-

[tall notch]

Is storm ring or clank the better circe cast btw

[brave dove]

clank imo

zeus is better for bosses but it only actually hits one target at a time and your car is probably over half your boss damage anyway

[tall notch]

I'm washed, I did one 58f with Nyx and now am back to chilling at like 47-ish

[brave dove]

I'm washed I can't even reclear 50f now it's easier

admittedly I am going to blame that one on my controller slowly dying and m+kb is hard

[tall notch]

I need to actually learn surface. I've only beat (non rivals mind you) Typhon once

[brave dove]

I should do more surface runs because I suspect it's the only way I' m going to make Very High Fear lance of ares work

I am not foolish or mynt I cannot clear strongest hecate with coat base kit and two subpar boons without losing like, so many DDs

and you can't even take DDs on the lance of ares build because you need task force

[tall notch]

What even is task force

[brave dove]

+3 godsent uses per location at epic

[tall notch]

How many

[brave dove]

new athena boon

it's how you make godsent hexes your boss carry

[brave dove]

the thought that you've cleared 58f this patch but haven't done unrivaled typhon is very funny to me btw that's great

[jagged zinc]

idk if some people do unrivaled + frenzy, but respect if you do guys :d

[tall notch]

Haven't seen UR Typhon, only killed UR Gramps once on low fear

[brave dove]

I can't turn frenzy 2 off because it breaks my reflexes for when I turn it back on 🥹

[tall notch]

Regular chronos feels like his scythe swings are delayed without frenzy
Elden ring flashbacks

[brave dove]

yeah I have lost an embarrassing amount of hp to base chronos without frenzy due to the delays

[tall notch]

It was part of the reason why i never got into fresh file in this game. I don't wanna fight elden ring chronos

[brave dove]

I would consider fresh file if they changed the first god to be anyone other than apollo-

[tall notch]

Are you a hater

[brave dove]

I judge apollo accurately and fairly

[tall notch]

Valid

[brave dove]

the great chaos trials are awful for this btw

frenzy 1 and frenzy 0 are way more common than frenzy 2

[tall notch]

Other than chaos below is there a trial that makes you fight chronos?

[brave dove]

I don't think so, I've just run a few great chaos below

[past salmon]

I would consider FF if it wasnt staff

[brave dove]

this is the other part ye staff's base kit with no aspect upgrades does not spark joy

[past salmon]

gimme Coat instead I'll run it

[brave dove]

I was genuinely surprised at launch for it to not be knives, given that's what's in all the promo work

[tall notch]

@magic moss

[brave dove]

foolish how do I make terrible coat builds get past strongest hecate without massive loss of life

[tall notch]

Staff makes sense because she's a witch and it's a good showcase for the magical stuff going on

[past salmon]

I mean

Don't get hit? 😭 wdy want from me

[brave dove]

because the lance of ares build is just so bad until, at the earliest, mid-oceanus

yeah that was more or less what I expected 😩

[past salmon]

so dont run lance of ares
run moon beam start instead bro its like 88x more fun

plus u can actually enjoy the fact warding circles exist for free Skyfall uses

[brave dove]

why is base skyfall so useless actually

[past salmon]

idk lmao

[brave dove]

like I've been experimenting a lot with hexes this patch and genuinely it is the most useless hex except for maybe morph at no upgrades

[past salmon]

Moon water on scars 🔥

[brave dove]

moon water should be one of the things that bypasses scars it'd be really funny for like three days with all the people claiming they're amazing because they used it to clear scars 3 runs

but yeah it's like, without the moon beam start it's like 'here's some more stagger I guess'

the shine debuff is so negligible given how close you have to be

[past salmon]

idk just run moonbeam and night cycle and enjoy the goated Selene experience

[jagged zinc]

I'm a Night Champion, ty Supay. It was way easier than I thought, killing the uber bosses at 12 fear was harder. Also I almost ruined my run when I took Circe's keepsake and got the Death denial arcana xd

[brave dove]

people mostly make 32 really hard by being scared of the wrong vows

the number of people I've seen on here talk about it being impossible and then you check and they're running hordes 3 instead of turning the timer up from 2 to 3...

[daring nexus]

How does Echo's Gift Gift Gift work exactly?
What does "basic effect" mean? And does that still work if I swap out the keepsake in question?

[brave dove]

it means the 1 star effect and yes

basically you get the 1 star effect of your current keepsake in tartarus, alongside whatever keepsake you actually pick

it's pretty good with athena

[daring nexus]

Thanks.

[brave dove]

and some people are trying to highroll double antler

[neon trail]

Supay with Zeus special and Aphrodite Zeus duo is really really good

sprint and blitz

[carmine lagoon]

wait how’s that possible? if antler is limited to 1 region only

[brave dove]

^

so you antler fields and then you can use a weaker antler + lion fang for tart

[carmine lagoon]

right okay

i thought you meant somehow getting twice the antler effect in tart lmao

[brave dove]

god that would be something

[analog osprey]

question: is aphrodite magick boon's range a decent indicator of how close you need to be for max dmg on her atk/special boons?

[plush vapor]

id assume its the same range

[uneven palm]

Cast size doesn’t change with different gods but yeah the binding circle is a decent approximation. Axe swings too are basically her range

[analog osprey]

oh i meant the range of her magick boon, the one that applies weak to enemies if they're near, not cast

[brave dove]

Yes, they're both the same definition of 'nearby' AFAIK

[analog osprey]

OH til

[dapper elbow]

What is the opening boon strat for supy. Special, attack, or dash boon first

[jagged zinc]

seems fun, what boon are they targetting with this strat ? seems a bit niche

[native solar]

anyone know if the hammer anvil thing can take away the hammer you got from the hammer keepsake?

[brazen ore]

I think its dash boon, at least runs I've watched I've seen dash boon

[willow phoenix]

dash first

biome 1 and 2 can like be completed with just dash lol

so you have a lot of time to build a build

[brazen ore]

It is less mana hungry than I thought it was honestly after seeing how much can be carried by dash

[brave dove]

idk what you mean by boon targeting in this context but that strat's something people are trying for speedrunning

[cyan rock]

has a meta build for high heat supay been fleshed out yet?
or still early days since it has so many options.
was curious to look now that i have landed on my favorite for the weapon independantly.

[brave dove]

define meta

I'll be honest and admit I'm not really sure what people mean when they say meta and what they're asking for when they want a build - so many aspects of a build can't really be controlled and you have to adjust on the fly

and also the places that are actually competitive enough to produce a meta are speedruns and very high fear, neither of which the average player cares about

if you want speed, reset until you start with heroic hestia dash

[cyan rock]

thats a hot take.
a "meta build" for something basically just means the community consensus on the strongest build for a given task.
the most objective of which tend to be found for either high heat records or speedrun records.

[woeful moth]

Strength got nerfed this patch? I remember you get 50% damage

[brave dove]

It did and they didn't put it in patch notes, feel free to go and complain about the second part in feedback

[brazen ore]

i think what most people mean by it is like, if everything is perfect and I can control every aspect, what is the strongest build. Knowing that they'll need to adjust on the fly ofc but knowing what the platonic ideal you're aiming for is can sort of help people figure out how to build

[cyan rock]

also saying you cant build because of lack of control is just silly.
yes you cant 100% control it.
but the build is the target optimal setup you are aiming for
and you absolutely can use path choices and rerolls to try and reach it.

[brave dove]

I mean in that case the meta build includes like five duos

and I think you're justified in throwing bricks at someone who suggests that to you

[woeful moth]

Do people complain about this? I have played about 10 runs this patch I only noticed the nerf now after going through arcana cards

[brave dove]

I think more people should complain about important changes being left out of patch notes