h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

Mel Axe barely needs much to be able to get the dash attack to be 120

I have one, lemme find it somewhere

[woven idol]

Thanks

[wintry fiber]

blitz has a global cooldown does it not

[bleak night]

https://imgur.com/EAU6ax7

[wintry fiber]

like after damage procs

[bleak night]

Axe isn't fast enough to get icd-gated

[woven idol]

Yo that's clean as hell thanks dude

[bleak night]

what makes this good on Mel Axe is that with Strength, the Blitz pops auto by just doing this

first tick of Special applies, next two count towards 120 damage threshold, dash attack pops it

can do it on Than as well if you want but usually it's much better to focus everything on Attack

[woven idol]

That's some really cool weapon tech

Is there anything else like this? I'm very fond of stuff like this

[bleak night]

guide I wrote is outdated but the mechanics should still work

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[woven idol]

Sweet

[bleak night]

This has all the vids with descriptions https://imgur.com/a/hades-ii-nocturnal-arms-guide-zorephet-clips-AVdOCpc

[magic moss]

omg hi mynt

[bleak night]

hi

[junior trail]

0.6 sec cooldown before blitz can be reapplied

[bleak night]

just 100%d Expedition 33

[woven idol]

What aspects get hurt from this? Moros?

[bleak night]

Medea sometimes

[woven idol]

Oh cool

Btw what does the dev in your name mean

[wintry fiber]

discord guild tag

[woven idol]

Oh ok

[bleak night]

yeah that

going for a Minun theme so blue electric icons are nice

[wide pollen]

I want to tell you thanks for writing this, it really improved my axe game

[stray pivot]

I shall continue my way into forcing heroic Artemis boons too see how much worth they are

[thin ridge]

Killing stroke?

[stray pivot]

I already got Easy Shot
I sahll find artemis and see what common she gives me

Easy Shot was pretty lame btw IT really needs something more

[uneven palm]

All the numbers are in the wiki if you wanna save some time. heroics are linear with the others https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Artemis/Boons_(Hades_II)

[stray pivot]

i dont wanna seeee

TSSSSSssss
No funnnn

Hmmmm chaos got in the way

might as well

[sage flame]

yeah tbf with artemis it can be hard to tell how useful a boon is in a run just by looking at the numbers

field experience and all that

[bleak night]

yay

[woven idol]

What are some good aspects for a 50 fear run?

[magic moss]

thanatos moros medea momus pan

[woven idol]

Thanks

So which is the better plan for Thanatos? Normal Attack spam or spinny spinny?

[thin ridge]

Psychic allows for both

[woven idol]

Good point

[uneven palm]

You can do either. Early hammer will decide for you. Psychic means you’re whirling, Rapid means you’re chopping, Seething goes either way.

[bleak night]

Furious is pretty meh as a first hammer btw, try not to get it unless the other 2 options are just turbo bad

it's only good with Seething or Psychic as your first one, and even then it's mostly good with Psychic

[uneven palm]

Stacking up many Omegas with Psychic & Rapid never gets old

[woven idol]

Got it

[magic moss]

if you want the sheet has a ton of vods

[woven idol]

What sheets

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[woven idol]

Thanks

[solemn loom]

hammers added.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1369202235426476074/hammer.png?ex=681b0073&is=6819aef3&hm=7771d5aaacbcc4f6dd672ffd31d6ae32cf0114f5be1fd19db17215c4dc8ed132&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=990&height=567

[void idol]

does explosive intent pop on every hit of the axe o attack

or is it only the first one

[junior trail]

Pops on every hit, dmg is kinda meh tho

[willow phoenix]

It only looks cool sadly lol

Useful for burning magick for hex or pike

[woven niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAdhgwmNndw&ab_channel=karan

simplest run i've ever done, the damage on the m1's was so crazy

+20 power, then 66%, 150%, 50% on m1

[woeful moth]

Wait, it is possible to kill projectiles while sprinting?

[uneven palm]

With Hestia’s sprint, yeah

[woeful moth]

Damn, I didn't know that. But I have to keep holding space(default dash button) right?

[uneven palm]

Or turn on auto-sprint in settings but yeah it’s while sprinting

[wide pollen]

I feel like that works like 98% of the time

Hestia's sprint, I mean

[cerulean panther]

I can confirm that Heat Rush does not delete Aphrodite's homing missiles during a Family Dispute. Besides that, it does work well against most projectiles but they have to all-but-hit Melinoe for Heat Rush to actually activate, and that's what constantly throws me.

[willow phoenix]

It's pretty inconsistent in my experience, to the point it's not actually worth getting over other sprints since you can be taking shots you thought you'd be safe from. That and the scorch dealt is very little to be relevant most of the time

[spare kite]

Just click divine dash 🙂

[cerulean panther]

But I'm bad and regularly need to take her extra Death Defiances.

[spare kite]

Come to strength

[cerulean panther]

Strength is fine.

[spare kite]

Oh did you mean stalwart stand

[cerulean panther]

No, the refill that buffs your individual DDs.

Renewed Faith.

[spare kite]

Oh, that's why I mean to play strength instead lol, so you can click divine dash without issues

[cerulean panther]

I've done some Strength runs. It's good. I like DDs more. I don't play on high Fear.

[spare kite]

Fair enough

[random crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1248286255784136806/1369364327647154258/image.png?ex=681b9769&is=681a45e9&hm=34fe052f16ac1df9700bf579534fa39dbf1474316f1e0f3dd9fd95c02c260077&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1964&height=1105

my most stacked run 😛

not sure if its just this build tho i get no backstab at all the whole run

[dapper elbow]

What weapon has the most control over combat. I want to survive but also quickly take down enemies

[bleak night]

Charon I feel

You play around Cast and blow it up from either a range or at close quarters

Massive AoE and the damage is great from start to finish

[dapper elbow]

Ok

Been trying to do a 32 fear run at the moment.

[bleak night]

Charon's def not bad for it then

[dapper elbow]

I need to do surface and underworld 💀

[bleak night]

If you need tips lmk

I do 50-55 a fair bit, haven't played in 2 weeks though

[dapper elbow]

Been using Mel skull for surface, but I’m way too careless. More in the sense that I don’t have when to use special dash and when to use regular dash

[bleak night]

Can just play Medea so you don't have to think about when to use Special dash since you'll do it 24/7

[thin ridge]

Charon has some of the strongest crowd clears in the game

Big damage big aoe and loads of blasts

[zinc forge]

is Arc flash still bugged?

[uneven palm]

Yes, you don’t get the bonus damage from like half of the omega moves

[uneven palm]

The “trigger blitz instantly part” always works tho

[plush vapor]

zeus aphro duo on mech suit aspect of mel

then go for aphros infusion and hermes dodge boon and try and get really high dodge chance

[deft quiver]

https://imgur.com/a/jyQXx9x
how does this work, i think i tried it once with poseidon sprint and once with hades dash, it didnt seem to do anything

[willow phoenix]

It only applies curse that the sprint gives, it has been bugged for a long time

[candid ledge]

it is amusing that most omegas in the game would likely proc the blitz requirement anyway

i guess low charge Xinth Oattack, small charge Xinth Ospecial, and small charge Blades Ospecial wouldnt

[stray pivot]

Ares then

[dapper elbow]

What non god boon keepsakes should I prioritize maxing out.

[azure spruce]

i like chaos egg, fig leaf

white antler is popular

[errant latch]

knuckle bones (odysseus)

[willow phoenix]

Hammer, gorgon eye, moon beam

[solemn loom]

I added only 50 above thus far.

Will be more active after the end of this week. Then I'll populate more to the site.

[solemn loom]

What does your form look like. Lul

[magic moss]

forgot to delete it here, it was more of an experiment than anything for how i might want to do next major

[solemn loom]

hard to do form now

[sharp sapphire]

Does anyone know if old herbal remedy (Circe, +25% healing) counteracts vow of scars 3 (-100% healing)?

[spare kite]

the immediate healing works, the healing buff doesn't

[sharp sapphire]

So no, because the immediate healing is 0% anyways.

[spare kite]

no the immediate healing goes through scars entirely lol

[sharp sapphire]

Oh well. I knew the demeter boon worked, but wasn't sure if anything else did.

[sharp sapphire]

Really? It said heal 0%.

[spare kite]

the 50% hp after 4 encounters from charon wells also works

[sharp sapphire]

Huh, interesting.

[restive bolt]

does anyone here know how to make poseidon and hestia work for the axe on the surface? i am playing a lot of judgment runs and hilariously got them both in my pool a few times in a row. i am struggling to get much value out of both, are there any good builds utilizing their specific mechs?

using mel axe btw, i feel it doesn't swing fast enough to do adequate scorch and wave isn't always helpful, i have timed out from low dps a few times

[finite harbor]

They are arguably the two worst gods for the axe.

[restive bolt]

i just don't have the seed reset thing yet lol, dying on purpose wouldn't be too hard but i just want to know if it can be worthwhile

[finite harbor]

I mean Poseidon can be good for a lot of support boons. Hestia is not my personal favorite, I would suggest your best option would be to use literally any other god out of your pool for axe attack/special. use Poseidon for support and Hestia for cast. If you cant, then your other option would be to drop either of them on your attack, and then essentially only use your Oattack to try and stack damage as quickly as possible.

[restive bolt]

50% unusable boon pool but hey i can get sea star for thessaly

[dapper elbow]

Should I do zuse or hara as the first keepsake for meda skull run

[frail cobalt]

Oh man, that last run was hilarious. You guys should try the 3 H's (Hera, Hestia and Hephaestus) together. Get Hephaestus's Tough Gain, then the duos from Hera/Heph and Hera/Hestia, and just pom the Tough Gain as much as possible. Everything else is kind of your choice. But once you get it together, most everything will hit for 0, just drain mana. When they finally drain all of it, you usually take one damage, regen 150 mana, and blast everything around for 750 (plus global damage bonuses). It's insanely powerful and funny once you get everything together. Up until then, maybe a little slow depending on what you take, since you generally need to take the requirements for the duos. But overall, very powerful build and quite fun once you put it all together.

[woeful moth]

Dude, the damage from surface route is ridiculous. A normal enemy deals the same as cronos.

[thin ridge]

Throw the run to reset the seed

Those 2 are horrendous on axe

[uneven palm]

Focus on Omega attacks and go for freezer burn (Hestia attack, add Demeter cast or special) I guess. You’re not playing to Mel axe’s strengths with Poseidon/Hestia tbh

Also a judgment run doesn’t preclude you using god keepsakes so uhh just take Aphro

Or just go with Thanatos and a common flame strike and maybe hammers bail you out and it’s good for 50F idk https://youtu.be/2veGF6xRFC0

[dreamy thicket]

What does the Eos pulse scale with? Omega Attack? Or regular Attack?

[junior trail]

o.atk

[uneven palm]

It’s an omega attack, so things like Weed Killer or anything that boosts Attacks plural

[restive bolt]

dude. 4th axe surface judgment run in a row with hestia and poseidon showing up.

this isn't funny anymore, where are all the good axe gods

aphrodite in the shop 🥹🥹

[stray pivot]

NO ATTACKS m,wHAHAHhahahahHHAHahhHHahhaA

hope you get heroic weed killer :)

[restive bolt]

um what are the odds of equipping athena and then she never shows up in thessaly

[junior trail]

do you have any dd effects?

like death or toula

[restive bolt]

ugh i forgot that stops her, i play strength but like i said it was a judgment run, i totally forgot that dds did that and i pulled death 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ never mind. game works as intended

[uneven palm]

you could maybe use god keepsakes for the gods you want

[restive bolt]

i do, i just keep rolling two gods i have to avoid and i try not to use those keepsakes in thessaly

[uneven palm]

Poseidon ain’t bad on special with like Mel or Than axe. Hydraulic Might is OK too

[stray pivot]

Hydraulic Might goes well with what you are doing

What would Heroic Hydraulic Might do?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
YOu have heard of glass cannon this is the fly cannon

It has the life expectancy of a fly flmasjghtjfhdjgkmkne zrdxbf

[atomic ibex]

Is Exceptional Talent something worth going for on Eos? And what hammers do I want?

[royal ledge]

After clearing the underworld with 50 fear using every weapon aspect, I started trying to clear the surface at 50 fear. That was two days ago. I have made it out of Thessaly twice.

[royal ledge]

I don't think so, as only one of the omega attacks will copy your specials. Look for hammers that buff your specials. I quite like Triple Comet - as you can spam special instead of o.special while your o.attack is out. It's much less magick intensive. Alternatively, go for Triple Helix and/or Clean Helix.

[bleak night]

it's so much harder innit

[royal ledge]

Yeah. The disparity is much, much greater at 50 than it was at 40.

(I went straight from 40 to 50.)

[bleak night]

there's a losing curve dw you'll get it down

not a learning curve, a losing curve

you'll progressively die to harder enemy types until you just win

then you swap to a diff weap and it'll happen again because you realize you don't really learn how to fight certain things up there because they are perma bs

[royal ledge]

Yeah, every chamber is a puzzle until you encounter five auto forcers/watchers and two anchors with tougher on a narrow ship with no cover.

There's no puzzling that out.

[stray pivot]

PFt

[uneven palm]

You don’t get as many Omega specials as you’d like but 2 Daybreakers is still nice. The “Clean” hammers and Triple Comet are best on Eos

[candid ledge]

this is so real and depressing to read. you finally get "the hang of it" (using this phrasing loosely) and then swap from coat to axe and just get murked

[olive tusk]

hi hades gang whats the best boon rn for medea attack

[stray pivot]

I put wounds

[olive tusk]

ares just never fails

[stray pivot]

TO set up the Heinnous Affront later

[olive tusk]

how could they possibly ever surpass you ares...

[spare kite]

Hades 2 finally made ares good

But yeah for low fear ares is fun for heinous/grievous blow

[olive tusk]

also same btw, you really have to brute force it, especially in thessaly

[spare kite]

If you play at fear where you are using wards something like hera is better

[olive tusk]

its really frustrating how much time it takes to finish thessaly btw

[stray pivot]

Y e a h .

[stray pivot]

I will try to do something with Blade RIft and momus

[cursive oyster]

budget psychic whirlwind my beloved

[thin ridge]

So I got a heroic chaos boon but I have no idea how I got it

“For 6 encounters arcana doesn’t work, after your attack does 105% damage”

[spare kite]

Barren curse always gives heroic

[thin ridge]

I’ve just never gotten it so I was wondering what makes it appear

[spare kite]

It just happens at random (may need a previous chaos boon already? Idk)

[thin ridge]

It was a second boon yeah

[spare kite]

Iirc it was removed from the "pick all curses" prophecy cuz it was rare enough lol

[heavy palm]

Having been playing a lot of Ares on Mel Axe with Heinous Affront and destroying everything with no magic use, I tried an old favourite in Pan Daggers with Scorch. Is it me, or did something happen to Pan Daggers, it felt so underwhelming!

[spare kite]

You used scorch

[heavy palm]

That used to be good.

Poseidon is obviously the big hitter, but I also tried Zeus and it felt pretty feeble.

[spare kite]

Scorch has always been recognized as mid

Unless you do the funny freezer burn

[heavy palm]

Yeah but viable. This wasn't.

That's what I was aiming for.

[spare kite]

Pan changes wise it only got hit with spiral knives no longer being a thing

[heavy palm]

No changes in timing or anything?

[elfin forge]

did you forget to grab the Time arcana

they moved that function away from Hecate keepsake

[heavy palm]

I never used that before tbh.

[elfin forge]

Eternity, slows down time while charging omegas

yeah blades didn't get anything

[spare kite]

Surprisingly wrong chat in the opposite direction
This is for hades 2 ( #h1-builds-and-combat )

[thin ridge]

Best hammer removed 😢

[uneven palm]

Yeah Hestia Pan is pretty bad. Just real hard to build up stacks with the meager special Scorch numbers so even Freezer Burn is a slog

[junior trail]

Maybe adding cooldown to wave flourish with blades and bring spiral knives back might be a good idea… idk..

[plush vapor]

was a bit op

[thin ridge]

Nah it was fun

[thin ridge]

😢

[stray pivot]

OH MY GOD The repeat from Momus also follows you with hostile enviroment

[elfin forge]

does Hidden knives need you to charge up ospecial longer

[spare kite]

So like chiron + zeus? No ty

[wide pollen]

No, you get the +3 as soon as you start charging

You can very quickly toss out 4, or charge completely for 8

[elfin forge]

nice

[stray pivot]

With pan it goes all the way to??

[uneven palm]

A cooldown on Wave Flourish would tank the one good build on Pan that doesn’t involve Trick Knives

[thin ridge]

The only reason to run momus

[stray pivot]

Ha
You are so funny

I laughed nt
Ha ha ha

[thin ridge]

😂

[junior trail]

this interaction is also good with lucid gain

[stray pivot]

Fk ya
I just took though gain should have brought the apollo keepsake

[uneven palm]

Hostile Environment goes very hard on Momus. I like that the Meat Grinders get glued to you too

[stray pivot]

It should work but i dont know
Prominence Falre should also repeat itself and get glued to you same with glorious disaster

I would make it a not so terrible boon hahashdvdfgbnfgjhgf

[uneven palm]

P flare does not do that, no. Dings against it keep coming

Meat Grinder + Hostile does work though. It’s funny.

[stray pivot]

Yeah im doing Meat Grinder + Hostile rn
I misclicked and got i rare i wanted to aro phial it

THOUGH
I got Common Pressure Points and there we go
Raki + Heroic Pressure points

• Night + Succes Rate =
  12% + 15% for comboing
  AN a global 12% Crit

Awesome

[crude needle]

||spawn of typhon|| hits like a truck. the tail miniboss feels harder than the actual ||typhon ||lmao

[elfin forge]

spawn of typhon is predictable at least, with only 2 moves

honestly the summit bosses do feel like their movesets are kinda shallow

Spawn has 2 moves. Tail has 4, Typhon has 5 by my count, if you don't include eggs

[stable herald]

Spawn of Typhon is my favorite miniboss, it's designed like a Dark Souls boss

Plus all the summit minibosses don't have HP gates so they're really fun DPS checks

[spare kite]

spawn shadowless is cool

[stable herald]

Wish there was one more summit miniboss, or that we didn't have to fight the tail every single time. Tail gets old after a while

[elfin forge]

Maybe we could fight Hand

[thin ridge]

Equip antler

[stray pivot]

Idiort
I did all this with 333 hp
27 / 12% global crit without dying to a amosquitoe

[elfin forge]

equip antler

[stray pivot]

No.

[stable herald]

I don't run Lovers so I'm too scared to pick Antler

[thin ridge]

Not running lovers 💔

Heph basically required atp

[thin ridge]

The lion does not respond to the mosquito, it runs antler

[stray pivot]

Moros with aphrodite attack turns the game into a literal joke

[woven niche]

oh my GOD that thing stomped me on my first run

genuinely i hadnt progressed at all, and i was so hyped that i beat prometheus on my first run without knowing anything

and BANG he one shot my ass 😭😭😭

[stable herald]

I'm too greedy for other arcana cards I'm even experimenting with dropping Origination

Chat, is Origination overhyped? I've been meaning to get opinions on this

[cerulean panther]

No, Origination is awesome.

[elfin forge]

no +50% is good even if you already have a lot of % buffs

[junior trail]

actually i prefer family favorite in h1, but yeah origination is pretty good

global dmg increase is always welcome

[spare kite]

yeah h1's origination is a lot worse frankly to worse curses and fam favs being better

here it doesn't really have competition

[solemn loom]

We have added +200 entries, Fear 50 and above. Included stats: hammer/core/time

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[lavish pine]

with origination and strength you basically get double damage and half damage taken for free, it's kinda cray zee

I mean, it's 10 arcana I know, but still

[thin ridge]

9

[errant latch]

@vernal talon congrats! build looks quite nice, for next time you can also incorporate a bit of aphrodite for more water as well as life affirmation boon

[vernal talon]

Thank you for the advice!

[random crane]

How to proc omega combo?

[spare kite]

Just do a different omega than the first

Omega special > omega attack is a combo
Omega cast > omega special is one and so on

[random crane]

Does need to be immediate?

[spare kite]

Nope

[random crane]

What does it do actually? Dps boost?

[grizzled tartan]

Crit chance

[spare kite]

The 2nd omega move in the combo will have a skull next to the charge meter (to show it's an omega combo) and you get +15% crit chance on it

I thought the tooltip of the night arcana showed that

[random crane]

Ah hmmm… I'll look into it more

[solemn loom]

• % Hammer selection for each aspect.

• Unique sort checkbox, filter out duplicate runs keeping PB.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272385014150991875/1370433225192898680/hammer.png?ex=681f7ae6&is=681e2966&hm=58350fff31fbde3291d82af3fcebd20d1c5dfd62c2e5cae4cb5ec3cb90cc43a8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=774&height=630

[prime jacinth]

what the name of app

[dapper elbow]

What boons should I be looking for if I am doing meda skull run with Zeus on special and Hera on attack. I know I need Hephaestus for defense

[worn oriole]

Yeah those are basically the major components. Ares on the Attack is also a very good option too.

Demeter to round up as 4th god is usually the last best suspect. Artic Ring is the main boon to get (freeze OP), but Snow Queen and Plentiful Forage (+others I can’t think of) are also great choices.

If you get Possessed Array then Weed Killer from Demeter will boost your damage a significant amount, along with a good Gain boon (usually Hera’s Born Gain)

And then Heph you aim for Armor/Invul and the like 🫡

[solemn loom]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[azure spruce]

this is i guess more of a bug adjacent question but i don't know if it is so.. has anyone done heph attack on medea shells?

[thin ridge]

Yes

[azure spruce]

i did it just now and it was very fun and did a ton of damage but reallllly lagged

[elfin forge]

like lagged your game?

[thin ridge]

It sucks because Medea is a fast paced weapon

[elfin forge]

and not the same as regular Heph lag?

[azure spruce]

does it do that normally? i haven't noticed it

[elfin forge]

yeah heph clangs slow the game down

[thin ridge]

And the blasts don’t have a good upgrade path compared to things like heinous

[azure spruce]

it's like the lag when Gale blocks

[elfin forge]

yeah that's normal

[azure spruce]

ahh ok. i don't like it lol

[thin ridge]

Intentional

It makes Medea noticeably more annoying

[elfin forge]

it's like hitstop frames, meant to make it more satisfying

[azure spruce]

yeah i think since i've used it before and not noticed it must be the cumulative effect with the medea shells that make it just like, jarringly slow

[elfin forge]

yeah because medea is all about movement

if you do a clang build with minimum cooldown, and hit a bit crowd of enemies, it's VERY obvious

[azure spruce]

yes i had the um hestia duo, chain reaction?

sooo many clangs very effective, verry slow

[elfin forge]

yeah I'm pretty sure that does more clangs and more slowdown

it is very satisfying though because chances are, everything is dead lol

[azure spruce]

just cheesed through everyone lol so i can't be too mad

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051942150025269309/1370608552686915594/image.png?ex=68201e2f&is=681eccaf&hm=b63196a92a79360f3b4492d4e4b7d43894887c35a58b79fa402886e5a1767f7a& stats 👍

[elfin forge]

Hera attack go brr

[dapper elbow]

What is a good fear/ weapon set up for runs so I can learn how to be more effective at dogging. I am noticing as of now my dogging is on the weaker side

[stable herald]

Is the slowdown with clangs a bug, or intentional hitstop for dramatic effect? I've definitely noticed it on chain reaction meme builds yeah

[elfin forge]

it's intentional, yeah

[elfin forge]

your... dogging?

[stable herald]

Learn how to play with max Frenzy, it'll help a lot. As for weapons I'd say the Axe, since it's so slow you'll have to learn not to be greedy with it

[elfin forge]

I think playing something with more range like staff is a good way to learn dodging, just because you have an easier time seeing what's going on instead of being shoved up the enemy's butt like with Blades

[stable herald]

So Heph's core boons are even worse than normal for speedruns/vow of time... at least Anvil Ring is good

[elfin forge]

oh yeah, because gale also doesn't slow down the timer doesn't it

clang probably doesn't either

[uneven palm]

I mean tbh Heph blasts slowing down the timer aren’t going to be why you died to timer.

[uneven palm]

Use Mel torches and only use stacked up Omega specials for damage. They don’t hitstun so you have no choice but to learn how to not get hit

[willow phoenix]

Well it could be if you're running 4 blast effect with low cd

I tried running 2 blasts with 2 sec cd and it was unplayable, not just because of timer but because it messes up with every muscle memory you have lol

[errant latch]

wonder how much is it worth to chase a gold build with like sea star + buried treasure + gold buffs in general + hera/poseidon duo

[solemn loom]

Core boons for each aspect.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272385014150991875/1370788396624117780/Screenshot_2025-05-10_at_11.43.14_AM.png?ex=6820c5ad&is=681f742d&hm=d8edc9bcaf138ac38cf61126886ab395b7df569a9eab1d53fb525e9569b6de4d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272385014150991875/1370788397479760054/Screenshot_2025-05-10_at_11.42.59_AM.png?ex=6820c5ad&is=681f742d&hm=a5feaa06e685efa69ef31ba7175db7ab688ba838166294a0327f969d4dc1d0ff&

[woven niche]

i think you’d need a partner to become more effective at dogging, not a weapon kit

[narrow acorn]

can scorch crit from effects like Raki or Pressure Points?

and/or can freezer burn spike damage crit?

[tulip mica]

is it just me or is the skull really good with Hitch? Like It seems practically made to be busted with hera

[thin ridge]

Love the lack of gain boons

[dapper elbow]

I’m curious if you really need Hephaestus, but you already have four gods in your pool is it ok to use his keepsake so you can add him in your pool

[magic moss]

for high fear?

[dapper elbow]

Yes

[magic moss]

yeah its fine

[dapper elbow]

Or if you got bad artificer or mystery boon rng

[magic moss]

ye

[dapper elbow]

Ok

[dapper elbow]

Ok so what other weapon/aspects should I learn to play with. I am in a good position with meda

[junior trail]

No, any damage source can crit except scorch

And yes freezer burn can crit

[random crane]

are most of the weapon and aspect only viable at max level? it kinda felt like so for me

[limpid juniper]

How much damage is 'good' damage for a build?

like is a skulls of argent build with 1-1.5k damage with each omega attack good, or can it be better?

[heavy palm]

Question: does Huntress become useless if you prime so much magic that you cannot spend any?

[heavy palm]

It can be way better. But it's not bad.

[vernal talon]

I am having some new player difficulty with boons. Does anyone know the requirements you have to complete for Hecate to offer the incantation to "forget me not" boons in your runs?

[junior trail]

the huntress doesnt trigger if prime to 0/0

[uneven palm]

You need to have done the incantations to start the garden and summoned Moros

[uneven palm]

That’s pretty darn good. That’s like +700-900% damage on that move

[errant latch]

is there any way to bridal glow success rate

[limpid juniper]

That's with the hammer spread boon tho

[uneven palm]

Oh then you can do way better

[heavy palm]

Yeah I thought so. Been running Heinous Afront and Hubris a lot. Gotta make sure I don't get carried away with priming magic.

@limpid juniper the run I just did was hitting 3k per big hit (though it's slow as heck, so you'll be taking damage). See #h2-victory-boasting .

@junior trail I assume it also won't trigger if it's below the minimum spend for your omega attack (e.g. axe attack Omega starts at 10).

[uneven palm]

If you can’t get below your max magick, no, you can’t activate Huntress

[limpid juniper]

How do I get better boons? I prioritized using boons that would grant me either % based upgrades to my attack damage, power boons for attack, or the hephaestus boon on my special [It was heroic and every 6 seconds so I upgraded it to 3 seconds]
Like, how do I get the boons that I want? That's the main thing I'm struggling with. I coulda done better on Path of Stars and if I had more % damage increase, but idk any more % damage increases, since my damage increase was already at like 150% ish.

[errant latch]

hard focus on maxing out the reroll arcanas

[uneven palm]

To get the boons you want, take the reroll arcana. Whole bottom left corner. It’s not a guarantee but rolls give you more chances to get the boon you really want.

To get your Omega attack more powerful generally, a big percentage boost on your core attack is a start. You can add Weed Killer from Demeter, go for Apollo’s legendary for double the attacks, add Bolstered Array hammer for more skulls, use the Night Arcana and alternate Omegas so they can crit, add Ares on special and Grievous Blow so they can hit for double damage… you’ve got options.

[vernal talon]

No not to see the boons, to track them with forget me not. It is a new incantation added in the last patch.

[quaint needle]

I see a lot of people say Moros torch are top tier. Just curious what the play style is and what boons to prioritize where, having a hard time making it feel good.

I usually spam attack before the omega comes up and then throw a special out and repeat.

[sage flame]

omega special -> spam omega attacks until ospecial runs out

run around in melee range basically

[terse bear]

I've been experimenting around with it, something like aphro attack and ares special has felt really good (with a grievous wounds further down the line, and maybe dem cast or something else for origination. also blitz on the specials seems to be very potent as well, the aspect is very flexible). Other than that, echoing what was said above, use the omega special and then the omega attack and it should feel much better.

[uneven palm]

Those are the listed requirements for the Forget Me Not incantation in the wiki. Could be wrong, idk https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Cauldron

[terse bear]

Btw trying to finish my last testament on the ||coat, using the aspect of Nyx ||and put Hera on the attack, it was working good but does anyone have any build on the coat they like?

[atomic ibex]

Any tips for a good 32f Eos? The aspect feels too chaotic for me

[terse bear]

Eos is unfortunatley not in my area of expertise, I should experiment with it more though

[spare kite]

You can prob just romantic spark and call it a day

[uneven palm]

Apollo or Hera attack are good for crowd control. Zeus special is best from there. Stick close to the daybreaker since most baddies will close in on you anyway. I can dig up some 32F Eos vods if you want

[dapper elbow]

I’m curious besides mdea what other weapons and their corresponding aspects are straight forward to learn

[thin ridge]

Yes

[thin ridge]

Thanatos is just faster attacks and extra critical chance on omega moves

[uneven palm]

Mel Skulls aren’t complicated (attack until empty, special to retrieve, repeat). Moros Flames has one main loop (O special, hold attack). Pan is pretty easy to run the basics (cast, then O special) and has one good build (Poseidon special).

[magic moss]

pan has trick knives now so the one good build part is like half correct

[warm rivet]

I want more gods.

I need athena to become a resl god instead of just a supporting char same with Artemis, especially Artemis.

[spare kite]

Artemis is sent to support jail forever for having crits

[thin ridge]

Divine dash sent athena to solitary confinement

[past canopy]

Yo what are the requirements to upload speed run for Hades 2

I have to show myself dying first n thn Start the run? Or can directly just upload a simple run from start

[uneven palm]

The rules are on https://www.speedrun.com/hades2?h=any-fear-underworld-unseeded-warsong-update&x=wk6yjved-68k17yzl.qyz4vnd1-j84jdvy8.10v7oxpl-onv5935l.1gno50ol and vary by category.

For an “unseeded” run yes you’d either have to record and show the previous death immediately before the run or use the incantation that lets you reroll the RNG seed at the Oath before the run

[past canopy]

Ok thank you, also one more question, can Athena appear in underworld? I just started after months and only did surface untill now

[uneven palm]

The big gotchas are have the in-game timer showing and don’t open the codex while it’s running.

[past canopy]

Got around 12 min clear for tht

[past canopy]

Oh didn't know about codex thingy, I will try to get used to underworld for now, have forgotten

[uneven palm]

These rules are submitting to speedrun.com tho if you’re playing for fun it doesn’t matter

And yes Athena can appear in the underworld with her keepsake

[past canopy]

Yea I did for fun for now, same in Hades 1 but feel like i should atleast make one run to upload there even though it's not my best haah

[past canopy]

Ohk ty

[uneven palm]

There’s a dedicated speedrun discord if you really get into it https://discord.gg/XYgXPNkG

[past canopy]

Oh, ty man

[loud moat]

I’m curious why opening the codex cancels your run. Don’t people pause buffer while playing their speedrun? Is there a timer/practical difference between the two?

[uneven palm]

There’s an exploit where you can advance through the game constantly opening the codex in a way that prevents the timer from advancing normally

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/9dRXyeNKOgE it would cause you to play like this if you wanna be "optimal"

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s gross. So the speedrun folks just decided banning opening the codex while timer is running is easier.

[spare kite]

You can still open it if the igt is paused fwiw

[loud moat]

Hmmmm interesting. So essentially an exploit. And does that exploit carry over to Hades 2? Or is the rule just a hold over from OG speedruns?

Not justifying changing the rule. And I guess if you’re getting into speed running, chances are you know enough about the boons you’re grabbing anyways you really shouldn’t NEED to be double checking that info.

[spare kite]

It does work in h2 yeah

Can you imagine using this in ephyra or fields

[uneven palm]

It’s more a pain for high fear when you’ve got Vow of Denial and want to check what’s been purged

[past canopy]

god dmn tht looks tedious haha

but fair play

[errant latch]

leave it to players to optimise the fun out of a game 😛

[spare kite]

Hey its banned cuz no one wants to play like that lmfao, don't blame it on discovering it

[dapper elbow]

I’m curious when do I even use the pan omega special

[uneven palm]

Catch enemies in a cast, then Omega. Or more advanced is you can charge the special, tap cast while charging and they’re in range, then release

[lavish hare]

so how does Boosted Ignition work with medea "attack loading"

(skull)

[magic moss]

you just get 15 power

[lavish hare]

is that before or after any boon percentages?

[magic moss]

power is always before

[lavish hare]

nice

[slate trench]

easiest 50F surface aspect right now?

[uneven palm]

Pan, Trick Knives

Not sure anything 50F surface qualifies as particularly “easy” tho

[slate trench]

lol fair enough

why pan instead of mel for trick knives?

[atomic ibex]

The knives home in when using pan

[uneven palm]

Yeah the QOL of being able to pepper with blades from a distance goes a long way, but all the blades are pretty capable at Surface 50F. Look for Zeus, you want a big special, you want Trick Knives but you can roll surprisingly far with Melting Sickle

[uneven palm]

Reaper Knives is not bad too, banking on an Olympus/Experimental Trick Knives

[thin ridge]

Artemis is a bit awkward always

[uneven palm]

I don’t hold that against her 😉

[civic salmon]

how do yall feel about Dionysus
He's easily one of my favorite characters and I use his music as my crossroads default butttttt
I really just don't love his boons in this game

[grizzled tartan]

He. Is. Awesome.

[civic salmon]

what's the best from him?

[narrow acorn]

for the bridal glow exploit, anyone know if its possible to get it to appear if you ONLY have a Hermes boon. Say on the surface you Onion your first room, get Hermes room 2, then Hera room 3, can Bridal Glow show up in room 3?

or do you need something like extended family or other non-pomable boon first and just hope bridal glow lands on the Hermes boon

[errant latch]

seems to be the case, did this scenario with some script editing but bridal glow didn't show up until I got extended family

[fluid wagon]

what would be some good combinations for the psyche card allocation?

still unlocking stuff but wanna know which ones to work towards

[woven niche]

somehow, i've played every weapon in the game over and over and gotten quite good with the mechanics of everything. but i just.. haven't touched the argent skull whatsoever, i genuinely haven't played a run with it ever. and i don't exactly what to begin from scratch with it, because i hate losing a round. does anyone have guide on using it? i'm sure it'll be just as simple as the others, but i'd like to know exactly how to use it before i try it out.

[grizzled tartan]

Worry free obviously

[woven niche]

probably worry free with a really good rarity, but i personally like bounce back alot

[fluid wagon]

anybody got some tips on this?

like what are good synergies with the cards

[errant latch]

mainly get all 1st and 2nd column

could also do strength instead of death

[fluid wagon]

alright

been mainly running sister blades, don't know if that would change what i would have to use

[random crane]

For Judgement arcana card. The effect will also activate cards that are conditional irregardless of its conditions?

[spare kite]

Correct

Once you are in the run the requisites of the 0 cost cards are ignored

That said if you draw something like the fates but neither of the reroll cards you can't use it

[uneven palm]

Most folks land on the entire lower left corner for rerolls and cash, your choice of Strength or Death, Persistence, then the rest is up to you. Finishing the first column and taking Origination + Lovers to close out is common.

[fluid wagon]

Thank youu

[uneven palm]

Mel Skulls: attack as fast as you can at mid-close range. When you’re out, tap special to collect. Special into unarmored baddies, or away from threats if it isn’t safe. Repeat. Big percentage attacks are your friend and throwing some supplemental damage like Zeus/Heph/Ares on special is smart. Best hammers are Possessed Array (get magick), Fetching Array (lets you machine gun), Bolstered (more power is good) and Wide Grin (launch 4 O attacks for the cost of one but that’s the only benefit). Don’t ignore the O attack it hits extremely hard over a pretty big area so it’s good for loose crowds pinned in a cast.

Medea is fun and strong but sorta dangerous. Attack, special through, repeat. Load up multiple attacks to pop armor but otherwise 1 is fine. Zeus special, any percentage attack. Other than maybe getting Possessed Array you can mostly ignore magick. Good hammers are Possessed, Boosted Ignition, Colossus Driver, Melting Tackle.

Persephone you O cast to build the gauge, then O special (you can steer it) to mop up. You’re invulnerable during the O special. Heph or Zeus cast, Hera special is ideal. Look for O cast boosters like Local Climate or Geyser Spout. Twisting Crash is the best special hammer but there’s decent other options. Wide Grin is worth pivoting into since 4 simultaneous O attacks is quite strong.

Also side note: don’t sweat losing in runs. Death is part of the game’s loop and there’s dialog from NPCs for dying in certain ways.

There’s zero penalty for dying for a reason

[modest pecan]

i played a bunch of hades2 when it came out and stopped roughly a year ago when the surface only went to 2nd boss (at the docks. idk if its a spoiler to say names). ive just returned and trying to beat the surface now. just got to final boss but died with a crazy poseidon special pan knives build, but once i get done with knives idk what aspects to use on the other weapons so does anyone have like consistent builds for each weapon so i can farm some nightmare to upgrade aspects?

[uneven palm]

Scroll up for the skulls at least

[modest pecan]

yeah i see that. just for clarification i dont necesarrily need a full on in depth guide to each. just like aspect, main god + boon, secondary gods/hybrid boons/legendary boons to work towards

[uneven palm]

Couple of easy ones are:
Moros Flames: start Born Gain (Hera) pick up a percent boost attack and get Origination online and you’re probably fine. Basic loop is O special, hold attack, dash/cast as needed while attacking. “Clean” hammers are best.

Charon Axe: start Apollo’s gain, get Origination online with special/cast/Arctic Gale. Add Geyser Spout, Local Climate, or Meat Grinder for more cast damage. Good hammers are Giga Cleaver, Sudden Cleaver, Siege Shredder.

Mel Coat: Poseidon attack, focus on dash-strikes. Add Zeus special or Static Shock. Exhaust Riser is the hammer you want. Work towards Poseidon’s legendary or his duo with Ares.

[random crane]

not sure i follow

[spare kite]

If judgement gives you The fates card (gives you +4 dice)
But you don't have enchantress (+3, reroll rooms) or champions (+3 dice, reroll boons) you won't be able to use the dice for anything

[random crane]

Ah I see so it can be a bit of gamble

[woven niche]

i think i might need to switch to controller for something like medea- i'm a macbook player, so while i'm very used to switching between the left click and right click mechanics on the trackpad after ten years of using it, i think i might struggle with the skull with how fast paced you have to play on 32+ fear. though persephone's invulnerability seems quite nice, i just watched haelian's video on it. thank you for the guide though! however obvious it seems, it's really nice to have this in text. you're really nice!

[uneven palm]

Yeah I have special on a bumper on controller for Medea. Makes it easier to do the loop

[woven niche]

and yeah there's definitely alot more ego in losing a round with this game than i had in hades 1, LOL. maybe it's how much i actually hate the final boss of this one, the story's REALLY really good!

though underworld and the chronos fight in general is just way too easy compared to the surface, is that intentional?

[uneven palm]

Surface is much harder, yeah

[modest pecan]

what exactly does "clean hammer" mean? and which aspect would u recommend for staff?

[uneven palm]

Clean Hammer or Clean Helix

Momus is the best staff. I usually start with a gain (like Hera), then flesh out attack/special with big percentages or Blitz as things show up or hammers dictate. Rotate through all your Omegas, especially cast.

[modest pecan]

oh shet i havnt played with torches like at all basically, didnt realize that was the name of the hammer

[median anvil]

"a bit" is an understatement

[woeful moth]

How does hestia's sprint work exactly? In fight with eris I sometime take hits from her bullets even tho I had hestia's sprint and was sprinting.

[wide pollen]

I would also like to know this

[dapper elbow]

So for moros if two of the 3 hara boons are sworn strike and born gain. Also have denial active. I go for the gain

Also not wanting to use rerolls

[spare kite]

def just take the gain

[spice locust]

it seems (https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1grdjyd/comment/lx60e5c/) that the aspect of selene attack boon interaction was bugged, is anyone aware if this was fixed?

[random crane]

Selene's boon should not have been melinoe's ult. Bring back Olympians ult

[spare kite]

did you mean this for feedback lol

[junior trail]

No

I mean it’s not fixed

Iirc the only hexes that benefit from Aphro/apol raw dmg are lunar ray (disintegration) and night bloom (connection)

[dapper elbow]

I’m curious lets say that I already have a rare born gain and I am offered a gain one rarity higher. Is it worth it depending on the gain that I can swap to that gain and back

I have vow of denial and hubris running at max though

[stray pivot]

I dont really think on Vow of hubris Dont rember the vow of denial

[thin ridge]

Born gain clears other gains usually unless you aren’t using magic/dunning hostile environment or Charon

[royal ledge]

Luck was not on my side that run. Circe gave me Death's Defiance while I was running Strength, and then I used Icarus's keepsake and it gave me Hell Splitter.

[indigo coyote]

when my magick is primed, does The Huntress arcana activates?

[spare kite]

No

Just treat primed mana as your new max

[indigo coyote]

i see, so i still need to spend magick first to trigger it.

[spare kite]

(so don't prime to 0 either or also rip)

[indigo coyote]

aight, thx

[uneven palm]

That’s a biiiig dice roll because you probably can’t guarantee Hera even shows up again to offer the sacrifice again, and she’d have to be almost out of boons to offer you to guarantee that sacrifice

And going rare to heroic for Born Gain probably isn’t going to change your build much honestly

[wild pine]

Is it really that important to get Born Gain on torches these days? I would've thought hestia and ares were basically just as good, and poseidon or hephaestus gain acceptable too outside ultra high fear.

Oh wait I mixed up the question about taking gain vs attack vs. the quesiton about trading out gains.

Yeah in almost all cases my preference for one boon over another is not overturned by a rarity bump.

[spare kite]

Ares is fine if you aren't gonna equip the white antler

Hestia's only works with normal moves

And you usually aim for high channeling speed so less time using the normal attacks

• if you decide to go righteous pike + fine line is the only thing that really can sustain the mana burn

Pos is too unreliable imo for torches

• it doesn't work like born/mortal so if you run out of mana then pick up a bubble it doesn't start channeling again

[uneven palm]

Mortal Gain can power Fine Line at normal people (like sub 45) Fear. You just focus less on max magick (get “enough” for Mortal gain to refill) and go all in on HP and yeah don’t take the Antler and blow the run (I speak from Experience)

[rustic sedge]

Oh I think I'm a Xinth main

Aspect of Selene is cracked out. I still need to do a few more runs to level up the moon keepsake, but damn is it good

[wide pollen]

What are people's opinions on weapon balance and aspect balance. Are they all roughly the same power level? Are there any that really need a buff or a nerf?

[spare kite]

Circe/eos/coat as a whole need help

Medea will probably get some nerf

[atomic ibex]

I think Circe and Nyx are the only ones who need a full rework. Coat would enjoy some buffs. Eos maybe too, but I feel like its problems are baked in to its design

[finite harbor]

I kinda hope they give coat more of an attack pattern.

[wide pollen]

I never thought about it but yeah it doesn't really have an attack combo

Technically a 2 part combo but the 2 hits feel the same

Whenever I don't like an aspect I don't know if it is weak or if I need to git gud

[stray pivot]

Eos its strange but it helps to apply but the attack and the special curse at the same time

[finite harbor]

I get why they didn't go crazy with it, if you do too much it will probably feel pretty close to Fists.

[wide pollen]

I don't like Eos for the same reason I don't like coat special. They just kinda go where they please sometimes.

Eos is the daybreaker one, right?

[stray pivot]

Yeah

I dislike that aswell
It should have a larger area and deal more damage

[spare kite]

Bring back Oldeos

[stray pivot]

I forgor how it was

[spare kite]

Recall them on dash

Is a hammer now

[stray pivot]

Damn it

[finite harbor]

I mean really, just make it attack focused. It would be cool if they made it Oattack channel buff and Magick cost reduction for Oattack. or your Channel speed gets shorter the longer you hold your Oattack until it becomes basically a railgun

[stray pivot]

I think they want to avoid the weapons being too similar to Hades 1

[spare kite]

I do think eos is cool as a hybrid

Cuz mel torches barely special
I think the special limit is weird too

[stray pivot]

yeah :(

I want to burn my Cpu with 16Omega Specials

[static loom]

An extremely OP and fun Born Gain build with infinite Soul Urns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8K-qCGz6-o

Most important:

• Torches (aspect of Mel)

---

• Born Gain
• Fine line
• Righteous Pike
• Cinerary Circle

Wished there were more room 😂

[humble moat]

Fine line torches is so fun

[spare kite]

Add heartthrobs too

[stray pivot]

Add every single extra Magick usage Boon
and
Every single Magick usage activated boon

[spare kite]

Can't combine everything sadly
Urns/explosive intent are on different paths

[stray pivot]

Who said legally?

Kings and Queens Ramson are way too fun

[dapper elbow]

What weapon works best for a seismic hammer and natural selection combination. I’m working on trying to finish combined might. I am currently using pan, but is there something better that can carry with that combination

[spare kite]

Just pos enough is enough to carry that ngl

[atomic ibex]

I think Charon is the weapon I'm the worst on. Like, I have a harder time with eos or Selene, but those are much weaker weapons than Charon. I always just stand in the wrong spot, and just take tonnes of damage. And if I dash drying channeling, I end up missing the attack

[atomic ibex]

I'd say any O cast based weapon, so Persephone or Momus

[feral oak]

Random thought, but do the blasts made by Volcanic flourish (Hephaestus buff that causes blasts on special) cause the aspect of Moros explosions?

[junior trail]

Heph’s blast and Moros’ blast damage aren’t the same mechanic. The term ‘blast’ just happens to show up in both.

[feral oak]

ah, I was under the assumption that the Heph blast was treated like a rmb attack/special attack

[atomic ibex]

The blast itself is a separate entity that is spawned. It counts as Olympian damage too (relevant for Extended Family and Rallying Cry)

[feral oak]

I see that makes sense

[dapper elbow]

What core boons should I look fore. I know heph on dash and posi on special. What will the other core slots to be filled with which god

[spare kite]

tidal ring satisfies both natural selection and seismic, could do heph attack instead and use frigid for natural selection and removing more cores, hera/ares regens ideally

then whatever to open pos's legendary

[dapper elbow]

Should denial be active to filter out boons that will severely hurt my chances

[spare kite]

it doesn't help for duos

just be sure you have the queen arcana on and 10 rerolls

if you have seed reset you could try to get an ephyra with all gods you want

[dapper elbow]

I have the reset. Hm should the seed also have an early chaos gate?

[spare kite]

nah

[thin ridge]

If you run natural selection it kinda sucks so it’s worth just farming in a run then dying

[dapper elbow]

Done. The last boon combo is fourth degree and then I’m done

[uneven palm]

I like Fourth Degree on Selene or Mel Staff

[royal ledge]

If you take boons from five Olympians in Ephyra, does the Olympian pool continue to include all five for the rest of the run? If not, is it random which one is excluded? Or is it the one you received first, or last?

[junior trail]

yes, all five gods will be added to the god pool for the rest of the run

[atomic ibex]

Is going ares attack/special still worth it when on wards?

[woven idol]

Anyone got a video showcasing good Mel/Than Axe gameplay? Thanks

I seriously dont understand how to play it still

[bleak night]

probs my vids, as vain as it sounds

that or the Axe guide I made, all the mechanics still hold up and it has about 20 clips on it of mechanics

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

[woven idol]

Oh can you resend the link? Think you sent it once

[bleak night]

I just have full runs if you wanna see those ig

I managed to get all 3 Axes to 55F surface this patch before I got tired

but tbh the 50F ones are better for reference because 55f has no Arcana

[rustic sedge]

When it comes to Arcana, is Death Defiance a crutch? I've been thinking about swapping it out for Strength, but I'm worried I'd be cutting my runs a lot shorter

[bleak night]

If anything Strength feels more like the crutch

people are able to reach further with it over Death Defiances

[rustic sedge]

Damn. Guess I'll throw it on for a surface run and see how I do

[past canopy]

i tried strength for first time after coming back to this game

[muted brook]

what happens if bridal glow lands on steady growth?

[past canopy]

it felt worse thn hving 3-4 death defiance but after u get used to it

its way better

[woven idol]

So true, at this point I dont know how I played the game without Strength

[spare kite]

Bad

The bug usually just adds the stat of the common boon per level

So each lvl is +6 encounters needed for 1 rarify

[muted brook]

makes sense

[spare kite]

Same happens with cooldown stuff like defensive posture or arty's death warrant

[mighty solar]

How do you guys do this? cause just from being used to I went for death defiance cause that felt natural to me coming from H1 and I am a bit too afraid to break the habit. Any rec? (I consider myself not to be a very skilled gamer lmao)

[past canopy]

Have you maxed out the strength arcana?

It will be like using God mode without using God mode lol, you take less dmg n do more dmg, so any health upgrade would be massive for you as well

[spare kite]

^ at max, strength is a 50% dmg reduction

[mighty solar]

tbf my grasp is still at 28

[past canopy]

I recommend you to break, like i played Hades 2 5-6 months ago, thn used strength n now that I'm used to it, I have broken all my timings

I didn't even know it existed, since I had come back from a long time i just saw a utube clip of arcana setup n I did same, it was hard at first yeah, like dying to eris easily or Prometheus but I assure you after ur used to them it's so much easier

You can even try to get as much health as u can n it will act even better version of death defiance

Cause death defiance also doesn't really give you much health back after u die

[mighty solar]

that's true

thanks

I'll check it up

[spare kite]

Make good use of hermes shrines healing and strength's value is great

[mighty solar]

I haven't even unlocked it yet lmao

[spare kite]

Strength also lets you use the variety of athena boons with ease once you get her keepsake

[mighty solar]

oooh, makes sense

got it

[dapper elbow]

So is moros the better flame aspect?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[finite harbor]

I think that's pretty agreed upon

[dapper elbow]

Good because I have the final two flame testament to work on

Divine dash or Righteous pike. I have early cherished

[finite harbor]

you got a fineline?

[spare kite]

Pike is always funnier

[dapper elbow]

No fine line

And I died to Eris. Looks like I need to practice kiting on the flames

[finite harbor]

kinda a noob trap of a weapon. it feels like you can kite while attacking, bu most of the time it gets you hit.

[dapper elbow]

Flame is my final testament to work on

[cursive oyster]

i love flames

[sudden inlet]

Only beef with Prometheus is the Simon Says stuff

[atomic ibex]

How does wounds interact with wards? Do you just miss out on the damage?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[atomic ibex]

Dang

[atomic ibex]

What's a fun Artemis daggers build?

[dapper elbow]

Is moros able to do 55 fear clear?

[rich belfry]

well I'm stuck at 20 fear with the axe . any broken builds to recommend ?

[woeful moth]

Am I supposed to not get hit from Typhon's laser attack when I just stand infont of his face?

[vital field]

im only at 4 fear and i cant even clear the surface 😭

[spare kite]

Yeah

[vital field]

would you guys reccomend certain gods over others? i dont have all the keepsakes maxed but i love using the base axe and the omega special daggers, i just cant clear to save my life (and yes ive tried dodging lol)

its rough out here 😔

[atomic ibex]

All gods have their advantages. What is it that you are struggling with? A specific boss? Or general concepts like getting a good build or surviving? And how far are you in the game

[vital field]

I’m perfectly fine in the underground, but the surface is where i really start to struggle. I was able to kill prometheus once, but i died shortly after and i’ve never made it that far. I have all of the keepsakes asides from athena’s and hades, i think he has boons too but idk how to get them

i know what boons are good on a few gods, but building is a struggle sometimes too. i tend to use fire a lot of the time with hestia and her burn damage with the Aspect of Pan, but i wanna use the axe more

[finite harbor]

If dodging is a struggle, it might be a good idea to snag Heph for defensive boons. Trusty shield/mint condition are BIG. or go for Wispy Wiles from Aphrodite and build as much air as you can. (I think this goes well cuz you can get Aphro Attack on Axe which is always nice.)

[spare kite]

Can also go apollo-hestia duo

[finite harbor]

not to mention grabbing Life Affirmation can be massive too

[vital field]

oooo okay okay, i dont tend to grab many heph boons so that probably does it

[vital field]

Which one is that on?

[finite harbor]

Aphrodite as well its how you gain extra Max HP with each pick up

Also, I dunno if you are but you should def use Strength instead of DD

[vital field]

instead of what sorry? ive put in a lot of hours but i struggle with the names and the boons 😅

Also, ive never thought that the heph attacks are too good, but i know the survivability is something i should look more into. Are the attack and special for heph actually good or am i just stupid for not using them

[finite harbor]

No worries, I honestly know too much about the game. Strength is Arcana, and you should use it instead of Death Defiance's.

[vital field]

Oh really, interesting, i maxed out death defiance as soon as I could, im still unlocking full arcana too 😓

[azure spruce]

strength can be good but if you're struggling with health I don't think death defiance is per se wrong. you're taking more damage but you can refill them after Prometheus with certain gods and their boons.

[finite harbor]

Heph attack is fun if you pom the crap out of it. but probably not your best idea as you are raising fear. it takes too much investment usually. Heph special is probably fine in most cases as additional damage unless you are running originiation (arcana). Because you will want another curse on your special.

[finite harbor]

True true, especially once you get the Athena Keepsake. however I do think the damage reduction and increased damage from Strength tends to be worth it.

[finite harbor]

it's no big deal, that's the game. Run in, die, get stronger, repeat until you win

[azure spruce]

honestly if you're still filling out the arcana and you are already on fear, i feel like you're doing great. as someone who is not like a 50 fear person what makes all of this easier is just doing it a billion times

[vital field]

i was reading the strength one, ill def have to try that in a few runs! i only have 28 arcana slots so its a bit tough, im still trying to min-max all that too 😅

[finite harbor]

This is the biggest truth. I was running 0 fear and getting my teeth kicked in by Eris until I had 30 grasp.

[vital field]

I HATE ERIS SO MUCH.

this is me but like right now, i know all the attack patterns and ranges but i keep messing up

Are there any other arcana cards you guys would recommend using? i can send a screenshot of what i have but its not a whole lot with max levels

Same for weapons, still working on unlocking and leveling them up, but i do have pan at max i believe

yeah Pan is at max

[finite harbor]

I think the biggest suggestions are the bottom left corner so you can reroll to get whatever build you want. I am a huge fan of artificer. Origination is good if you are lacking damage. Wayward Son is really good with Strength. and Perseverance is standard I think. try to get a full row or column if you can.

[finite harbor]

Right now I think the strongest in the game are Pan, Medea, Momus, Moros, and all Axe aspects are just good. I am a fan of Thanatos Axe, but alot of folks looooove Charon

[vital field]

ooo okay okay, i have the melinoe axe one away from max cause ive just been using that, but i think ill have to try out thanatos, its caught my eye a few times before

[azure spruce]

i feel like it's what you groove with best? there are Better Weapons for damage etc but what is good for you will be different for someone else. but yeah Pan can be crazy good

[vital field]

okay hold on ill be back, im gonna respec my arcana and I would love any advice you guys might have

in the meantime, any keepsakes worth leveling? I have hestia apollo hera and the moon all max but idk what else, i still have no idea how to get hades’s

[finite harbor]

Hades doesn't have a keepsake available yet....

[vital field]

oh, well that would explain it XD

i thought he had boons though, not like athena and the others where you just run into them

[spare kite]

He's too grumpy and weak to give keepsakes

Also while they are boons they don't work like the others (no rarity or poms)

[vital field]

doesnt look like i can post screenshots, but i got the ones you guys suggested and ill focus on leveling a few others

[finite harbor]

That being said, alot of this comes to personal preference. For the gods - if you like a god's specific boons, upgrade theirs. For everyone else, Phial is really nice for forcing a Heroic boon. Athena just gives really good boons especially if you are using death defiances and need a refill. Knucklebones is super nice for whatever boss you are struggling with.

[vital field]

what about the hammer and the concave stone? ive been using the hammer when it came to the chronos fights cause by then i typically have already used hestia hera and the moon, but idk what is good otherwise

[azure spruce]

second phial and knucklebones. i also like chaos egg. sometimes you get stupid ones but most of the time it's a free epic boon that's pretty useful

[finite harbor]

Hammer is very good, alot of folks use it in the third biome as it should last until you get tot he final boss fight once it is leveled up to 3.

[azure spruce]

also fig leaf

[finite harbor]

The other one high level folks use is the antler, but that thing is a death trap if you forget to be a god at the game

[vital field]

oohhhh okayy okay, ill have to start using those then, ive always started with either hestia or hera and then moon and panic from then on, but this helps a lot

[azure spruce]

yeah i'm not great at defense and i don't touch antler lol

[vital field]

i think im gonna try a run real quick, ill come back for more advice though for sure

gonna use maxed pan one last time before i go axe crazy lol

[finite harbor]

run it! you got this. if you are running Pan I would suggest you try Poseidon on the special.

[vital field]

ooo okay thank you, i was just about to ask that! i've been running hestia's but the burn dmg can be very slow sometimes

also, would you recommend a certain cast over another? i love heras cause its good for early game but it falls off heavy later

[finite harbor]

Yeah, Hestia is kinda weird IMO

[azure spruce]

poseidon speical is sooo good on pan

[vital field]

yeah, without the burn dmg speed buff from a single specific boon its rough

[vital field]

ive actually never used it, ill try it on this run for sure if you both say so!

[finite harbor]

cast is a free for all. I personally like Apollo on cast cuz it can get bigger. but admittedly I don't play Pan the most.

[azure spruce]

Hestia can be good with burning desire in that you stack it on and then like, run away, but also a good offense is often better so you don't have to dodge as long. so yeah i'd try something else

just to see!

[vital field]

alr bet imma go destroy the surface then (i wont but ill hopefully do well)

[finite harbor]

Can't wait to see you in victory boasting in 20 minutes.

[vital field]

LMAO i hope, like i said ive never gotten further than prometheus, idek how i beat him in the first place

[atomic ibex]

Don't feel bad about that, Prom is easily the hardest boss in the game

[finite harbor]

~~Prom ~~Hellifish is the hardest boss in the game.

[atomic ibex]

Ok that's true, but thank God that boss is not on the surface

[finite harbor]

Kinda sad that I think I've died more to Hellifish than Typhon

[vital field]

okay so this might be the run, i have the expanding cast size, Tall Order, Molten Touch, and the special on dash

only iffy part is tranquil gain

[finite harbor]

Lookin Spicy

[vital field]

sea star, natural selection, and burried treasure

this might actually be the run LMAO

[finite harbor]

As a heads up, Natural Selection is kinda dangerous to pick up. It means you're prob getting way less HP and way less gold.

[vital field]

oh really? i just saw it was the duo and thought it would be good

oh yeah reading it now

i might have screwed myself over lol

[spare kite]

See green pick green moment

[finite harbor]

It can be fine, just means you pom your other boons a bunch

[vital field]

this is exactly what happened, why read when green means go

[atomic ibex]

And it gives you a massive amount of boons, which can be very good depending on the build

I assume you're not running Vow of Denial

[vital field]

im not sure what that means, so probably not no

aw man i died on the mountain 😦

[finite harbor]

It's one of the fear options. it means when you pick a boon, the other two get locked away and you can't pick them tonight

[elfin forge]

vows/oath of the unseen are pact of punishment but in Hades 2

[vital field]

i havent played hades 1 either, i get what Jak is saying though

i only have 4 levels or whatever it is, i think enemy spawns and damage taken or something

[elfin forge]

there are prizes to completing runs at level 8, 16, and 32

not really for progression, they're more just achievements for the most part

[vital field]

oh okay, thats still sick though ill have to keep that in mind

im trying to beat 4 rn, though ive only gotten past promethius once

[finite harbor]

Timer 2 is basically free fear as long as you don't dance after every room. same thing with hubris

[vital field]

i had 3 on hordes and 1 on scar

[atomic ibex]

Going fear without having beaten surface before is quite brave

[elfin forge]

musou mode lol

[finite harbor]

Hordes is actually kinda rough.

[elfin forge]

eventually you'll have to add some stuff that makes hordes 3 the hardest modifier, because it makes everything worse

generally, hordes is actually the last modifier, though it is fun at low levels

[atomic ibex]

Hordes is nasty when you combine it with vows like Fangs, Menace, Grit and Wards

[elfin forge]

and timer

[vital field]

oh iteresting, so ive been using one of the most difficult modifiers this whole time without knowing 😭

[elfin forge]

I mean it's really not that bad at fear 4, just because you don't have all the other nasty stuff on to get multiplied by Hordes

and you don't have timer on so you're not in a rush to clear them out as fast as possible

[finite harbor]

Yea, Suace is right.

[elfin forge]

you just got large packs of enemies you gotta hack through

[vital field]

ah, so not the hardest because the other modifiers dont apply yet

[elfin forge]

but if you keep climbing the fear ladder, you're probably gonna flip it off in exchange for other stuff

[atomic ibex]

In general, Time and Scars are the easiest

[finite harbor]

scars 3 sucks. but scars 1/2 are fine

[vital field]

ill try again using time and scar 2, i wanna try to keep the level at the same instead of going down, gotta keep the challenge at least a lil bit until i swap to baby mode

jk baby mode was made for me i love it

[elfin forge]

you mean god mode?

[vital field]

no modifiers

[atomic ibex]

How much have you upgraded your arcana? Because that makes the timer easier, so you could even go time 2

[vital field]

i have it somewhat upgraded but its spread out a bunch card level wise, i have 28 as of now

[finite harbor]

I will also say, without full arcana/leveled up weapons hopping into fear is no joke.

[elfin forge]

I mean it's not that bad at the start, if you pick the right modifiers, and if you're like, 90% of the way there

[vital field]

i mean i just got maxed pan recently but i wanna use a maxed axe instead, just a more unique playstyle i like it

[elfin forge]

some aspects are good to go with no upgrades, and some really want you to be maxed out

[vital field]

yeah true

[atomic ibex]

Yeah some aspects really suck at rank run, looking at you momus

2-3 business days between pulses

[elfin forge]

yup

[vital field]

imma try one last pan run with the new modifiers and ill come back, then i wanna use an axe

cause they seem hella fun, i just dont know how to use them

[elfin forge]

they're wack

[finite harbor]

Wack

[elfin forge]

a lot of dash attacks and specials

[finite harbor]

Nahhhh nah nahhhh

[elfin forge]

aspect of charon is dope though

[vital field]

idk i was looking at thanatos

[finite harbor]

Spin to win my friend

[atomic ibex]

Each axe plays quite differently, and hammers can also define your play style a lot

The final attack combo is quite risky, so don't forget you can interrupt it by using the special instead

[vital field]

let it rip my man

[atomic ibex]

But axe has the unique advantage of having tons of different builds that are even good for high fear

Axe genuinely feels like the best designed weapon. It rewards good playing, as you learn how to compensate for its slowness using its great range

And there's all that maneuvering using the dash properly

[finite harbor]

You can kinda run any god with it outside of poseidon or Hestia. Axe is the best

[atomic ibex]

Even those can be good on normal special

[vital field]

aw man died at aris, though without more enemy spawns that timer isnt that bad at all

eris sorry

[atomic ibex]

Yeah, Eris is quite hard. Hestia dash or Frinos can make the fight easier, as well as Athena keepsake

[vital field]

gotcha, i think i need to just learn how to better play around frinos in that fight

best boons for axe?

cause i think imma do 1 more then go to bed

[atomic ibex]

You want a percentage attack boon (Aphrodite, Apollo or Hera), and try to get something to increase your attack speed

[quaint needle]

Are you using Frinos as just a blocker in these fights?

[vital field]

what about demeter?

[atomic ibex]

I don't use him any more, but yeah that's what I did early game

[atomic ibex]

Demeter has the lowest attack modifier in the game. You really only take her core boons because freeze is so powerful. If you want a freeze boon however, artic ring is better

[elfin forge]

yeah you grab demeter if you really don't need that button of yours for damage, and you already have other debuffs for origination

[vital field]

ohhh okay gotcha, thank you!

[spare kite]

Demeter's freeze makes eris's turn ratio even slower

[elfin forge]

it really do be "hi demeter, thanks for the cast and the prime mana shield"

[neon crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340423316342571011/1372708463586578462/Screenshot_2025-05-15_at_6.53.00_PM.png?ex=6827c1e1&is=68267061&hm=87fd59a445a1ed09cc9523f487bb2a50a6c980099d831841efd81f1cd91aa96b& what to pick? momus

[elfin forge]

cross cata, right?

[spare kite]

I'd take wicked

[elfin forge]

not a bad idea either

[neon crown]

ill take wicked

[spare kite]

This is ephyra(?)

[neon crown]

yep'

[spare kite]

Idk why I asked, olympus I'd still take it over cross lol

Power gud

[elfin forge]

which attack god do you take with wicked momus

[spare kite]

Whoever I find first hera/apollo

[elfin forge]

also how does aphro work. Does it depend on if you're close to the enemy, or if the attack was placed close to the enemy

[spare kite]

Based on you and the enemy

Easy to see with eos

[elfin forge]

ok so you can put momus far away, then dash in and it gets bonus?

[spare kite]

Yup

[elfin forge]

icic

[magic moss]

mirrored > wicked > cross cata

[rustic sedge]

Selene coat is very fun. I already run pretty Hex-heavy builds, but Selene coat + her trinket is an absolute joy

I've also noticed it's a lot more free wheeling about God pools? Maybe it's just my limited experience with Mel aspect, but it feels like Mel coat is a tad more selective about which Gods it plays nicely with or not, while Selene has been able to make damn near anything work so far

[spare kite]

Selene coat my love

[quaint needle]

If you get aphro with Momus, you should focus on getting the poseiden duo with her.

[atomic ibex]

All of the coat's attacks (outside of the big shield punch) are quite low damage, only the second basic attack reaches 40. Up until 30-35 power is where Poseidon and Hestia easily outdamage other boons.

[azure spruce]

if you use night bloom during the Hecate fight the twilight curse can get your shade/servant guy!!!! incredible

[royal ledge]

Ugh, I just died to Eris, ending what I thought was an amazing build. I was attempting the surface on 50 fear with Aspect of Moros. I had rare Hera attack, epic blitz special, chain lightning, Arctic Ring, Born Gain, epic Fine Line, Righteous Pike, and Heartthrobs. Damage was nuts. But I ran into a problem I hadn't foreseen when I reached Eris. With Blitz, Chain Lightning, Fine Line, Righteous Pike, and Hearthrobs exploding constantly, I couldn't see properly due to all the visual clutter! I couldn't see what Eris was doing, when she was attacking, which way she was facing. I flew too close to the sun, and I got burned.

[fluid wagon]

anybody got like a good build for the axe?

or the blades

preferably one with like what i need to get for what

[vale shard]

There must be something on haelian channel

[uneven palm]

Blades just go Pan with Poseidon special. Get Origination up with Slip and cast and you’re set.

Charon axe is pretty straightforward here’s how to use it: #h2-builds-and-combat message

That old post holds up still but Siege Shredder is ok too

[woven idol]

is there a build or boon combo that is heavily buffed by hermes' Success Rate boon?

[spare kite]

Grievous blow/crit sources (especially antler)

[woven idol]

antler is affected by success rate? didnt know that

what about Thanatos Axe?

[spare kite]

Yup, epic success rate+ 4* antler gets you 75% crit lol

I'd assume it works? Prob need to check

[junior trail]

yes, success rate works with than

[errant latch]

wonder if we can bridal glow success rate

[spare kite]

Is one of the first things people did iirc

[stray pivot]

So kooool

[loud moat]

Thanatos axe is great with almost any god.

One thing I’ve enjoyed doing is Spin to Win (omega attack), combined with Ares Cut Above and the duos with Heph and Apollo. Every spin procs an instant double sword drop and then immediately drops them again. It’s Blitz with extra steps, but the internal application timer is broken.

I almost always want Heph no matter what weapon I’m running. Either for great support boons (Uncanny Fort, trusty shield etc…) or core stuff for the chance at the Legendary.

I feel like I really underestimated Cling Clang builds (Volc Strike/Flourish), especially on weapons that strike rapidly (daggers, than axe) or are magic/omega heavy.

They’re a bit of an investment Pom-wise, but even on pan, getting the Attack at around 6/7 seconds is great. One swipe is a small nuke to enemies in an AoE. Solid damage and stagger before Omega Special.

[loud moat]

It also works on Echo percent chance to grab an additional boon. Granted once that’s leveled up it almost always works at 75% anyways

[fluid wagon]

what is origination? and what daedalus hammers should i go for here

And should i go for any specific boons

Like what cast etc.

[errant latch]

origination is an arcana that makes enemies take extra damage if they have 2+ curses applied to them (eg. freeze + charm)

[uneven palm]

Reaper Knives, Hidden Knives, Sudden Flurry all good. You’re using the O special get the hammers for it 🙂 any cast with a status to get Origination online is good. Demeter, Aphro, Hestia, Apollo, Hera casts have statuses.

[past canopy]

I unlocked something called familiar bonds, what does it do?

[fluid wagon]

makes u able to bond with the animals u find

who give u extra bonuses

[fluid wagon]

Legit tried the build once, didn’t even have good rarities but did beat ||chronos|| for the first time

How do i get the N-mare stuff for the pan knives

[uneven palm]

You’re about to unlock one way, or you can buy them with Charon’s tickets (spend money on runs to get them)

[fluid wagon]

Do i unlock em by going up or down?

Haven’t seen any of em yet

[errant latch]

||both ways||

[fluid wagon]

Ah interesting

[errant latch]

||if you've played h1 it's basically the whole heat system and boss bounties||

[fluid wagon]

||Oooh so i just get it by completing different fear levels?||

[errant latch]

||precisely, beat x boss with at least y fear with z weapon, the pact will show what you need to do||

||each victory is 1 nightmare||

[fluid wagon]

||1 nightmare per boss?||

[errant latch]

||no, 6 nightmares bc you need to beat every boss with every weapon||

[spare kite]

1 nightmare per run from the testament

[fluid wagon]

Does it take alot to level up the pan blades?

[errant latch]

it takes 7, as do all non mel stuff

1/1/2/3 I believe is the progression

[fluid wagon]

Good to know

[uneven palm]

Also you don’t need to spoiler-hide things in this channel

[fluid wagon]

Ah

[neon crown]

You don’t have to win the run either, just beat the boss it wants you to (if you have to beat Scylla, you get it when Scylla dies, not when you kill chronos and beat the run

[main beacon]

aphrodite or poseidon attack with lim and oros?

[spare kite]

I'd do pos unless you have wicked onslaught

(or want to spam omega attack)

[main beacon]

word, i think aphrodite is good for raw numbers but slip effect is also juicy

[spare kite]

is less about slip and more about the dagger's combo numbers

its base power is not that high so a % boon like aphro doesn't do as much

meanwhile using pos is like getting a double hit each time and you get benefit with global buffs like origination

[elfin forge]

does the splash get backstab bonus

[spare kite]

nah

[elfin forge]

rip

[elfin forge]

slip effect is very low for the investment(getting another boon for it), sadly

[spare kite]

add the +20 power from wicked tho and is a totally different thing

[main beacon]

well whenever i run blades i also do my best to get zeus chain lighting obv

slip is for the zeus poseidon duo boon

[elfin forge]

ah

[spare kite]

if you go for static shock focus down on master conductor instead I'd say

[main beacon]

static shock^ is what im talmbout

[spare kite]

if you are going for static shock you could also just do something like hera attack for hitch being half of origination

or wounds from ares for the revenge duo

as long as you start zeus special you can kinda just wing it with whoever shows up first

[shy quail]

i just got hera legendary in the first region the surface right!, i saw no god besides aphrodite, apollo, and ares (and hermes) for the entire rest of the run and I saw ares twice

I just wanted 2 boons from hera (queens ransom and born gain) but I never saw her again

5 infusions though! (4 from hera legend)

[shy quail]

lol echo can give you henious affront without wounds or a after u take dmg

[dapper elbow]

Is there a good starter weapon when playing 50 fear for the first time

[elfin forge]

now that's a good question

maybe it's medea? it can go magickless, has high damage, and is a very mobile playstyle that doesn't depend tooo heavily on hammers

[spare kite]

I'd say mel blades cuz it has some more range

[shy quail]

I would say moros, it has really good synergy with some builds and does a lot of damage while not having an odd playstyle (like eos)

[pulsar kite]

can't recommend enough just hitting two rare or higher % chaos boons,

[magic moss]

momus mel blades moros thanatos medea

[mighty solar]

I finally dared trying trength arcana and you guys were riiight!!!

it IS so much better

[rustic sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

Welcome to the muscle wizard gang <3

[dapper elbow]

Does meda have its own special controller layout that makes it easier to pull of combos

[atomic ibex]

Not really, just needs a layout where you can roll you thumb over attack and special

[dapper elbow]

I’m so careless on meda. I’m fast but not accurate

[grand flicker]

Are there any other fun boons/builds on Lim and Oros that I should try out? So far all I've done is Master Conductor Mel, Pos Special on Pan and tried building Aphro on Artemis

I wanna make sure I try to do as much with this weapon before I move on to a different one

[glossy forge]

Ares attack, sweeping ambush hammer on Artemis can be quite fun. Huge aoe and % damage from the hammer, with boosted power from inflicting wounds, plus the crit from Artemis. Spam omega attacks to win

[timid sluice]

try warm breeze / freezer burn

[grand flicker]

Duly noted, thanks both of you o7

[thin ridge]

Trick knives

[rustic sedge]

Seconded. Trick Knives are the most stupid powerful Daedalus Hammer option for the Sister Blades if you can find 'em. Pretty much carried me to my first Chronos win :]

Now if they can just fix it to apply Riposte's critical effect from the Aspect of Artemis...

[mighty solar]

Furnace blast says "blast effects from Hephaestus also inflict vent os foes" so my question is...

Foes that affect guardians?

Hades 1 used to be very strict when it said FOES

[spare kite]

Yeah
Also wdym with that about h1

[mighty solar]

When it clarified foes it was just foes

It usually didn't affect bosses

[spare kite]

Like what, I'm legit blanking on what does that

[grand flicker]

Wait, seriously??

I always thought it was a gimmick hammer that was probably only good in certain situations. What build makes good use of that? I assume it should be on Pan considering it's for the specials, but I don't see why it'd be strong

[rustic sedge]

With the right special boon, whole rooms just melt

I've had good luck with Zeus or Poseidon, spreading Blitz and/or Slip if I can get the right boons

It's a nutty status spreader

[grand flicker]

Huh. I'll give it a shot then, thanks for the suggestion

[mighty solar]

Any suggestion on how to face ??? Rhino monster from the last area?

[grand flicker]

By Rhino im assuming you're talking about spawn of typhon on the surface?

The big burly guy that runs at you? Sometimes melee swings in an arc, that guy?

If so, the best tip I received recently about him is to try and go for his back, attack him from behind. When he runs at you, dash through him. He has no attacks that hit directly behind him

[rustic sedge]

Aye, he's much more of a positioning check than a timing check. Try to hover near his back, and if you have to be in front, make sure you're no more than a quick dash away from his rear. That's his blind spot

Once his patterns are figured out, I much prefer him to the Twins lol

[grand flicker]

oh god, screw the twins. especially with vow of shadows on

[rustic sedge]

I haven't tried Vow of Shadows yet. That sounds hellish

[spare kite]

Shadows twins is chill

[mighty solar]

yes! the one! thank you, guys!

[glossy forge]

Trick knives is possibly the strongest hammer in the game. Slap a good % special on it, and 55 fear wins are ezpz. Here’s an example: https://youtu.be/NSO6qjDQv40?si=l49Md2NsbeXM0Vif

Or this: https://youtu.be/zGqXQ6NfUUc?si=6P9G_xMT80rE3eLi

[uneven palm]

Yeah 7 (or more!) hits out of one move is uhhhh quite good.

I mean uhh it sucks pls don’t nerf

[fallen veldt]

I am honestly surprised it took so long for people to realize how good it is

[grand flicker]

Wow, okay, duly noted. I guess I just didn't have the right build for it the one time I used it for the prophecy list

Ehem, urhm, I mean, oh wow it's soooooo weak, ugh i hope it doesn't get nerfed, cough cough

[woeful moth]

How am I supposed to dodge the dracon fire attack? Specifically when they breath fire that follows you

[dapper elbow]

How are high fear runners able to balance out speed with accuracy and survival.

[elfin forge]

luck?

I mean sometimes they'll reroll until they get the right hammer at the start of the run

[glossy forge]

right as the tracking fire is about to hit you, dash perpendicular to it and in the opposite direction of the tracking. E.g. if the sky-dracon is directly above you and you start moving to the right as it breathes fire, wait until the fire almost reaches you and then dash to the left. If you're more aggressive, you can pretty easily avoid damage by sticking close to it and dashing through it whenever it attacks

[glossy forge]

You can get by with pure skill for consistent clears up to 50f in the underworld, but you need to have a close to optimal erebus for the worse aspects. From there, the remaining regions are not too scary timer-wise. For 50f surface, thessaly luck and build luck are huge rng barriers for the worse aspects. Your rolls didn't yield a good build in Ephyra for Eos? No skips in thessaly? gg!

And ofc, certain encounters on the surface are impossible to clear. E.g. wide open olympus room with nothing to hide behind, 5 spread out armored auto-watchers, one invincible until everything dies. This is mostly avoidable in the underworld with smart build choices, but no amount of skill can save you from those surface encounters.

As for exactly how, it's a combination of experience with encounter layouts, knowledge of boss patterns, awareness of coming threats and how to get the most damage in without getting hit, and razor sharp decision-making for boons and doors.

[glossy forge]

Def not luck lol, you can consistently winstreak on 50f uw even with worse aspects. Surface is more rng but still mostly skill. Also, if you mean doing a seeded hammer start, sure, but it's not common at all for 50s. Even for 55s, most of them are unseeded.

[elfin forge]

cool

oh nvm you were talking about underworld

[tidal hinge]

Quick question: doing a run rn where I started with tidal ring and got the heph duo seismic hammer early, then a few rooms later i got offered a heroic Anvil Ring which i took because i also have a heroic winners circle.... Seismic hammer seems to no longer be working, at least it no longer shows the cooldown timer on the boon UI. I know seismic requires tiday ring to get it offered, but I thought it would still work even if i swapped the cast boon?

[elfin forge]

it might be bugged because seismic needs pos cast?

it does seem like it should still work if you swap Casts

[tidal hinge]

Yeah, the requirements have been bugged for a while already because the menu says Gyser Spout also counts as a pre-req, but it does not

[elfin forge]

probably f10

[dapper elbow]

I’m curious what weapon is like the shield in hades one in terms of learning the attack patterns of enemies

[tidal hinge]

uhhh well the black coat can block attacks like the sheid as you charge omega attack... the 3rd torch aspect also has a mechanic that is very slightly similar to Zues Shield

[hot ravine]

Anyone have any tips for handling Prometheus, I can beat him maybe every 1/5 runs but he basically leaves me dead to the next encounter afterwards. His animations all look so similar to me.

[frigid ore]

he mostly signposts his moves in advance and then does them a while later, which can be hard to react to. so tbh while the best advice is to learn to recognise them, until then some good things are to either keep dashing through him and making distance while you do, ideally. or just try and stay further away entirely if your build allows it

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=0qoqKNl4leSwlIQG

[hot ravine]

Thank you kindly

[uneven palm]

Mininet’s 50+ fear sheet has videos for lots of the runs. Probably easier to watch some of those to get a sense for how folks play at the extremes https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[thin cloud]

Anyone got any ideas how I can make a max dodge build with silken sash?

Or anyone keepsake that benefits from/helps dodge builds?

[willow phoenix]

Dunno why you'd want silken sash when there's warm breeze for dodge builds

Imo just go for warm breeze and get all the dodge related boons, i.e. hermes, hestia, apollo, aphro infusion

So olympian keepsakes would be the most important for that

[thin cloud]

Idk I thought silken sash so I could keep a arachne buff for a long time by avoiding damage via dodge

Either way, what olympian keepsake would you say I should run first?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo Hestia would be the most important one since they're required for the duo

So depends on the weapon and which of Apollo and Hestia is better for it first

[stable herald]

Aphrodite is a great pickup too since she's got Wispy Wiles and a bunch of excellent core boons

[charred lintel]

i do actually have a run where i got silk saver by doing this

i also got an epic nitro boost and that demeter boon where you prime magic for a once per encounter shield

[stable herald]

basically I'd go Aphro+Apollo on my core set to get Daze and a bunch of Air elements, get Hestia in there for Warm Breeze (and Hot Pot if you're using Scorch)

[charred lintel]

oh, and dont forget that hermes boon if you get the chance

• dodge chance and move speed for every boon you have

[willow phoenix]

Honestly dodge builds especially with warm breeze is pretty op as you can get practically immortal, so abuse it while you can lol

They're definitely gonna nerf the way dodge stacks

[thin cloud]

If I'm using thana axe, should I use scorch? Might be good on special?

[willow phoenix]

Get Apollo on attack and hestia on cast

[stray pivot]

It could be good in the axe Omega Attack

But literally almost any other core attack boon is better

[thin cloud]

I ended up getting apollo on attack and cast for more daze

[stray pivot]

Yep Good

[thin cloud]

Would scorch be good on the special though seeing how it hits multiple times?

[stray pivot]

Nope

[willow phoenix]

Would probably be hard to maintain hotpot all the time then. Since you're not gonna be using special that much lol

[thin cloud]

So swap off apollo cast for hestia cast?

[stray pivot]

Except for a meme run using only the special

[willow phoenix]

If possible yes, but just prioritize the warm breeze duo

[stray pivot]

Hestia Cast its better if you want scorch

[willow phoenix]

Or you can also pray for the hestia aphro duo

[stray pivot]

Its decent not that good tbh
Scorch lasts a good amount of time in the enemy already so it doesnt help a lot

[thin cloud]

Who should I get for my 4th olympian?

[elfin forge]

aphro apollo hestia uh idk heph?

I never really think to hard about duos lol

[willow phoenix]

Someone with air element, maybe zeus

[stable herald]

Zeus is good for getting more Air elements for wispy wiles and has some good duos

[willow phoenix]

My preferred theoretical build for warm breeze run is
Aspect: Mel Blades
Gods: Hestia -> Apollo -> Aphro -> Zeus
So something like
Hestia Attack -> Apollo sprint -> Warm Breeze if possible -> Aphro gain -> Wispy wiles, Hotpot, Hermes dodge -> Zeus stuff (special, static shock, etc)

[solemn loom]

You can take a look on a website we made. https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ well documented each run's basic info.

[wicked palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527907033635225600/1374102865227808849/NFBV18X.png?ex=682cd484&is=682b8304&hm=5cde50f3a3b8bc48ad26f246ffd46b5c10b7882efe6857a7d849c53cd3603beb&

i might like apollo a little bit

[stray pivot]

YOu should be able to increase daze chance

20% its almost insulting

[wicked palm]

yeah

also i think crit should be more...reliable? i dunno how to describe it, it feels weird

[atomic ibex]

Success rate my beloved

[spare kite]

It doesn't work with daze lol

[spare kite]

Can I interest you on the white antler keepsake:)

[wicked palm]

it cuts off your hp ,-,

[spare kite]

You kill them before they can hit you

But anyways crits being less reliable seems intended

You can always go for ares's double dmg boons which are crits lite

[sage flame]

idk 20% miss is pretty darn good, esp with how stingy other sources of dodge can be

[gloomy shuttle]

Hi guys, I did all weapons (not aspects tho) on 32 fear surface and underworld and I’m now looking to do 50 underworld but I’m struggling HARD. Didn’t really find any guide on how to get from 32 to 50, so if anyone got tips for me to get better I’d appreciate. Maybe abt what weapon I should try first ? (did watch 50f runs but it did not really help me)