h2-builds-and-combat

[main beacon]

i got a few more past this and they just arent showing up

[magic moss]

its in the next tab

[glossy rivet]

does anyone know if winners circle benefits other cast boons besides heph? could be wrong but to me it seems like demeter's cast shoots down its hailstorm faster with winner circle

[atomic ibex]

I believe Demeter, Apollo and Aphro are all affected

[glossy rivet]

ooh dope, faster ticks on them instead of being a disadvantage? maybe only hestia and zeus cast that is disadvantaged by winner circle?

[atomic ibex]

Yep pretty much ,Winner circle is a
Buff: Heph, Aphro, Demeter, Apollo
Nerf: Hestia, Zeus
Indirect Buff: Poseidon, Hera, Ares

[languid spoke]

do we think it’s a bug that hestia and zeus don’t work or intended?

[spare kite]

I'd say bugged

[glossy rivet]

anyone know the exact number of demeter cast drops per cast? maybe theres something even stronger than heph clangs

[languid spoke]

i love the clangs haha. such a fun build

[glossy rivet]

winner clangs is mighty, though it gives no curse

[languid spoke]

@bleak night continuing from other channel: a streamer (haelian) did a run where he got bridal glow to hit stutter step. which put the dash on no cool down effectively. got divine dash and was legit invincible.

definitely unintentional bug but was fascinating to watch

[bleak night]

Yeah I wrote the guide on how to get it working lol

[languid spoke]

lmao that’s awesome!

[bleak night]

wasn't the first to find it, but I managed to understand what exactly made it work

then I kinda did it on a 50 Fear run, so that was fun

[languid spoke]

kudos to you. it was wild to watch

[bleak night]

Surprised nobody did a Trick Knives run with it yet, that's the most broken interaction with it

[uncut raven]

Hephy has the prettiest Rocket Salvos

[magic moss]

boated did one

i think,

[bleak night]

He did Exhaust Riser I think

idk I don't generally watch Hades 2 content on YT

[magic moss]

he did a trick knives run on 20F surface yeah just checked

[bleak night]

I prefer watching people play it live for the most part

[bleak night]

Ah, gotcha. There we go ig.

[uncut raven]

How does it nerf Zeus? The timer on the DPS doesn't speed up?

[languid spoke]

right. it just ends early

[bleak night]

Haven't really tried that myself

[uncut raven]

How is Demeter different DPS wise with winners circle? Unless Q cast for demeter is more powerful than Zeus?

[elfin forge]

oh sorry it doesn't work on Aphro?

[languid spoke]

i’m not 100%. i assume it’s a bug. probably something with how they’re back end coded

[elfin forge]

I think it's just winner's circle is hardcoded to not buff zeus because it'd be too good or something

[uncut raven]

Very intriguing. I mean if it was sped up, it probably would be ridiculous. 25 damage for every .35 seconds regularly? Powerful as is already.

[elfin forge]

wiki says Zeus, Aphro, and Hestia are the exceptions to winner's circle

[uncut raven]

I appreciate you doin the research. 🙂 Good to know.

[languid spoke]

if it’s intended i hope they update the description, make it clearer

[uncut raven]

Based on that, Id probably end up doing Tidal Cast + Winners circle

[elfin forge]

aphro potentially to not mess with the suction? And Hestia because it applies scorch, and doesn't do damage directly?

[languid spoke]

anvil ring + winners circle is amazing.

[elfin forge]

yeah that's the classical combo

you can get like 200+ dps passively with it

[bleak night]

Clang Gang

[uncut raven]

Aphrodite is my favorite Cast. Along with Demeter. Second is Poseidon. I love Aphro's cast cause its like Wretch Rodeo, wranglin them traitors in like a death mech goddess cowgirl. Even better when I'm running Stabbing Dash

[languid spoke]

on a surface run once i got chaos first room where i got a plus cast %. then heph was in ephyra and it was amazing

[bleak night]

only Dash I consider using are Passion, Blinding and Frigid usually

[uncut raven]

But you makin me curious bout Hephy cast

[elfin forge]

how's Ares dash

[uncut raven]

Ah true. I'm with you on all three of those as backups...to Stabbing Dash

[bleak night]

it's a little mid unless you build towards it

[uncut raven]

Epic mana free damage. common is 30 swords per dash

5 swordsPom upgrades it by 30 damage, then 15

[bleak night]

kinda why I really like Blinding and Frigid, you just get it and leave it be

[languid spoke]

feels like the dashes need a little love. they’re fine but i want more. maybe im just bitter i lost my old smithy rush

[bleak night]

Passion Rush generally heavily outdamages Ares Dash because it hits twice

[uncut raven]

That depends...it hits twice, so say common Passsion dash is 20 Damage, you do 40. Common stabbing Dash is 30 damage per sword x5 swords. 150 damage out the gate per dash

I think they are both great, but different. One is straight up damage, other is damage + enemy damage debuff

[bleak night]

Huh? There's a limit to the amount of swords that will hit a target per dash

[uncut raven]

Oh really? I thought all the swords over a tombstone hit the tombstone

[bleak night]

I tried it and it just barely did damage, even when I had Coffin Nail and Cutting Edge

[uncut raven]

Or any other large target

[bleak night]

like, Passion Rush generally just becomes second to my main damage sources whenever I use it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1349646920473247744/image.png?ex=67f57a65&is=67f428e5&hm=5f0bedcff34ad70a0ca6dcaba93f192f64894f5e526b090ef3e6c0f931b4f8df&

[uncut raven]

I'ma have to try prioritizing that then and see if my damage doesnt increase

Bruh....nearly 500K of dash damage is wicked

[bleak night]

I also just never got damaged this run

[magic moss]

mynt is good at the game more cold takes at 12

[elfin forge]

anyone can be good as long as they just don't get hit at 50+ fear, it's easy!

[bleak night]

I'll try some more Stabbing Rush builds to see though. I'm due for a for-fun run or three

[elfin forge]

and also do enough damage to beat timer 3, of course

[rotund nacelle]

@bleak night I'd guess Origination is the big difference you're seeing with Passion vs. Sword Dash. If you've got both Cutting Edge and Coffin Nail, Sword Dash should be doing way more damage than Passion Dash

[rotund nacelle]

That's Aspect of Dashing Heave for you

[bleak night]

Something about Stabbing Rush just doesn't do enough damage for me

probs the fact that it has no utility to compound into my actual damaging core

[uncut raven]

True. Whats your core boon set you like to use?

[elfin forge]

gotta get your debuffs somewhere else

[bleak night]

with Passion Rush I don't generally need to think about where I position myself if I'm dash attacking

while if I use Stabbing Rush, I need to specifically position myself so that I go through the target, so that'll usually mess with my head a lil

[bleak night]

Depends on the aspect, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9htX1rceP9E anyways, this finished processing

[uncut raven]

Intriguing you say that. It definitely speaks to the difference of play styles, but perhaps Aphro is just plain better than stabbing

I wanna do a comparison for myself and see

[rotund nacelle]

It's not quite the same 360 degree hitbox as Passion, but it is reasonably generous. Building around it is just a lot harder than building for Passion Dash. You need at least one of two duos, plus if you're going for the duos you probably want to go Sword Ring as well to make it worth the effort of getting the duo. Then you've got the problem of proccing Origination (at least for 50F and under) because you've now taken both your Cast and Dash slots for boons that don't have a curse. Whereas Passion Dash you can kinda just slot in anywhere for easy Damage, Origination, and DR

[bleak night]

Fair, ig. ngl I don't really see Stabbing Rush as an option unless I want Arterial Spray for some reason lol

[rotund nacelle]

I'll usually take it if I've already got Ares in the pool and either I'm not going for Aphrodite or I'm already getting weak from Glamour Gain. It is still good damage out of the Dash Slot

#h2-victory-boasting message Mint Condition can be hit or miss depending on enemy spawns. Sometimes you get a single enemy in the first wave and it gets wasted. Other times it gets massive value if you get a truly henious fangs combo straight out of the gate. Additionally, Mint Condition gets more value in Fields, Thessaly, and Summit since they have some shorter encounters. The main benefit of it at high fear is that it's guaranteed invulnerability, giving you a window to lay all your damage into the most dangerous thing you see and get it off the field

[uncut raven]

Good to know! I'll probably seek it out more when I start adding timers to my runs. I haven't done any speedruns on any game Ive played thus far. I'm way more of a completionist...but Hades is the type of game that demands speed runs once you get to a certain level of proficiency.

[viscid wave]

100 ascents huzzah!!!

[languid spoke]

any good tier lists or the like for oath of the unseen? just curious what people feel are the “easiest up to the hardest

[elfin forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1j84kw5/a_fundamentals_guide_to_high_fear_by_a_50_fear/

scroll down for vows

[viscid wave]

Does anyone else have a huge Issue with the hades boon that lets you yeet your cast? Its aiming feels random as all heck on controller (which i dont get with zeus's or hestia's equivalent). I point and shoot directly at Chronos's giant head and it curveballs away off into a random corner instead!?

[silent crow]

its jank as hell yeah

[spare kite]

I just melee with it yeah

[silent crow]

i have no idea how it works

[spare kite]

(read: when I picked it all the way back in patch 2)

[silent crow]

it does good damage though

[viscid wave]

Bold of u to assume it works at all

[silent crow]

i know it tries to home in on enemies and the cast sticks into them like h1

[viscid wave]

This is what baits me into making the mistake of choosing it every time 🤣

[spare kite]

It was funnier when it crippled chronos's dash attack

[silent crow]

im sure its still useful somehow

[spare kite]

Just don't lodge it on a numbskull

[viscid wave]

To be fair it DOES work better when chronos is the only enemy on the board

(Tho it did also just decide to curve ball around him and it has literally fired offscreen/out into the ether outside the little clock snowglobe he yeets you into for phase 2 🤣 )

[spare kite]

Also it prob has some funny value on Pan

But is a 4th biome boon so /shrug

[silent crow]

you probably get more value out of skipping the room for less enemies anyway

[spare kite]

Could also just take unseen ire for +100%

[spare kite]

Yeah I'm not calling it optimal lol

[viscid wave]

But oh it does move WITH the enemy it's stuck on, that's interesting, i never noticed it doing that before 🤣

It's like the inverse version of that one duo boon that makes your cast stick to/follow Mel like a little tutu of violence

[spare kite]

Is fun if you throw it to a numbskull

"where's waldo my cast"

[viscid wave]

I get so "bruh wut u playing at?" whenever he DOESNT offer me that. Like come on, dad!! I came in here for ONE THING.

Okay two things. The first was to see cerberus. BUT THE SECOND WAS UNSEEN IRE

[silent crow]

i cant believe they made that so broken the hell were they thinking

[spare kite]

Let dad have one fun option

(urns are also funny if you play torches)

[silent crow]

mm yes do i want to get this thing i can buy in the shop for 90 dollars or do i want to own the world

[viscid wave]

They were thinking we deserve to go invisible and do EXTREME VIOLENCE. As a treat.

[spare kite]

But yeah new unseen ire feels nice, a lot more comparable to the call version

Heinous also triggering it is mwah

[viscid wave]

Did ubmean to post this in the other channel about nintendo? 🤣 /jk

Charon is secretly game freak

[silent crow]

how does that even fcking work

does it just refresh the duration every time

[spare kite]

No it still respects the cd

[silent crow]

oh ok 😭😭

[viscid wave]

But i will only truly approve of hades's boon options when they let me summon cerbie to trample chronos into the dirt

[junior trail]

you attack > go dark > get dmg buff from dark then proc light smite > boom room wipe

[silent crow]

was about to say thats the dumbest thing ive heard like ever

[spare kite]

Make it also trigger defensive posture and ignore the cd of both, totally fair

[viscid wave]

How dare u slander my epic Cerbie trample idea this way /jk

[silent crow]

chronos vs cerb dialogue would be hilarious

[viscid wave]

It WOULD!! His deeply miffed and affronted dialogue when Mel slows time with a hex on him after completing the incantation to make it work remain hilarious. The potential for Cerbie reacts are even greater!!!

[elfin forge]

I kinda want a Chronos Typhon tag team fight to see them bickering the whole time

[viscid wave]

"What the- No! I just got that unruly beast back into the Fields!"

"Do you see now what I mean about all of his disgusting SHEDDING!? Hair everywhere!"

"Are you going to be paying for the repairs needed to my flooring from that creature's claws ripping through my new mosaics, girl!?"

"That throne is MAHOGANY!!!!"

[uncut raven]

Honestly, Chronos fighting you at the same as Typhon doing his moves in the background would be a fricken amazing difficulty booster, in addition to adding Fear. And the dialogue would be hilarious...a pretentious snobby intellectual talking to a literal walking brute whose sole focus is abberant destruction. Would be hilarious if in doing a later instance of said fight, Chronos realizes his wrong after Tyhon goes into berzerker rage, and starts throwing his attacks twice as fast now, but he's targeting BOTH you and Chronos, and halfway through the match Chronos switches sides to help you fight Typhon...only to try to best you at the end.

And then you beat Chronos and Typhon in a single fight

And the cycle could repeat, because Chronos being pretentious since he is Time itself will still try to control Typhon every time, cause he can't fully accept that that he can't

[pearl turtle]

22 duo boons

[uncut raven]

How do you get Artemis to show up on Olympus runs? she hasnt shown up for me up there at all yet

[junior trail]

she only appears at Ephyra in the surface route

[uncut raven]

That's what I'm saying tho. She doesnt show up at all at any point in the run. My bad, I used Olympus run to mean Surface run in general, not specifcally Olympus itself

[junior trail]

apparently, ppl said there's more chance for her to appear if you enter the double centuar heart/soul tonic room, but i'm not sure about that since she can appear in the boon/hammer room as well

[uncut raven]

Speaking about builds...we were talking raising the Fear. I'm going to trymy first no death defiance run. Since I figured out a few different ways to cheese out immortality, I want to see if I can go thru without DD. Not sure how much fear yet, but at least over 16, as close to 32 as possible.

To train for above 32 fear

[elfin forge]

(use strength its sooooo good)

[spare kite]

Arty doesn't show up in any menu door

[elfin forge]

yeah artemis is only centaur heart or mana pot doors

[spare kite]

Hp/mana are the only chances for surface arty

[junior trail]

really?

[uncut raven]

That explains it...I avoided those doors almost always. Now I might change my mind on that once in awhile

[spare kite]

Yeah

[royal ledge]

@mellow junco Just wanted to note something. In the feedback channel, you said Scorch Cast (Smolder Ring) should be affected by cast damage increases, "as all other casts are." Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that currently, the only casts that benefit from cast damage increasing sources (Arachne's Scarlet Dress, and Chaos's "Chasm") are Zeus, Demeter, and Hephaestus.

[junior trail]

maybe I misremember it then, Well, double heart/tonic room that is

[royal ledge]

@fickle glade Tidal Ring does apply Slip. But Breaker Rush doesn't.

[elfin forge]

ya Heracles gets the boon rooms, artemis gets the stat rooms

[safe scaffold]

Unfortunately, Heracles can also get stat rooms

I've went into stat rooms and seen the timer pause only to see that bum show up instead of my glorious queen

[uneven palm]

Yeah Heracles can show up wherever

[elfin forge]

sadge

[uneven palm]

I mean it’s free time and money I’m not mad when he shows up

[elfin forge]

he could show up in olympus for more time save tho

[safe scaffold]

Idk why but he annoys me so much because he just stands there for so long especially when its a non-menu room

[loud rampart]

i have grown a passionate hate for the staff and black coat, does anyone have any broken builds for them i could use to beat typhon and be done with that quest?

[rotund nacelle]

Romantic Spark

[magic moss]

[stable herald]

Is Romantic Spark just the best weapon-agnostic build?

[magic moss]

The most braindead staff build is ig Cardio Gain + Mirrored Thrasher

[magic moss]

yes

because the builds damage comes from the boon itself, not the aspect

some aspects do it better like coat for example compared to the axe, but its still a solid option even on the axe

[rotund nacelle]

If you wanted to get fancy you could also use a Heinous Affront, Divine Vengeance, Light Smite build

[rotund nacelle]

Aspect of Dashing Heave would like to have a word with you

[loud rampart]

im sorry for your loss, im sure we can amend these disputes like civil individuals.

I challenge you to a duel of arms and skill.

[magic moss]

i mean uh sure?

you really want that XD

[magic moss]

name your challenge

[stable herald]

Their arms versus Mininet's skill

[loud rampart]

google coin flip

[magic moss]

twas heads

[loud rampart]

we never agreed, anbd i never made a call.

i will put my call in a spoilered message, and you will flip. then see the message and we will know who is objectively right in this most serious matter

||Tails||

[royal ledge]

Do Trick Knives trigger Athena's Phalanx Shot? (Specials launch a projectile that deflects.)

[junior trail]

no

[royal ledge]

@fickle glade What do you mean Poseidon's cast is weak?

[fickle glade]

only work on the side you are looking at, one huge splash damage then it is it, still need winning circle to spam, Momus doesn't stack the Omega with it. Pair it with Seimic Hammer doesn't even activated on the first Omega explosion on Momus. I would rather pick Hera Cast or Apollo for more effect

[royal ledge]

@fickle glade Instant damage is a huge plus in my book, and it's more damage than most other casts. (Zeus and Hephaestus beat it, but that requires the enemy stays in the ring. And Zeus doesn't benefit from Winner's Circle.) No waiting for the damage to arrive, or hoping enemies don't move out of the cast before it erupts in the case of Apollo.

As for Momus, Momus only copies the omega cast detonation, not the cast effect (although I think Anvil Ring might be bugged and you get one hit from that). So Geyser Spout is ideal, which is also Poseidon.

I'm not trying to correct you, I was just surprised to see Tidal Ring being looked down at. It's one of my preferred casts, unless I need a curse from my cast to activate Origination.

[fickle glade]

i would rather pick Apollo cast with Winner Circle for Daze and paired well with Hephaetus duo. Seimic Hammer duo is a meh, when you can't activate it with the first time casting Omega cast.

[formal pulsar]

anyone knows if rapid frame do anything for dash strike spam on the coat?

[royal ledge]

Does Blood Spree [Ares, attacks and specials heal you if you have <40 HP] work with Vow of Scars, or is it reduced/nullified?

[junior trail]

blood spree is affected by scars

[junior trail]

Rapid Frame only speeds up your attack rate and Omega attack channeling speed; if you want dash-strike to feel faster, look for Hermes's Stutter Step

That said, hammers that give Attack damage also boost your Dash-Strike damage (but they don’t affect its size or range). Dash-Strike is also pretty friendly with Launcher Frame

[surreal hazel]

exhaust riser and launcher frame is pretty tasty, yeah

[bleak night]

true

[surreal hazel]

and success rate affects it

not sure if launcher frame rolls its chance for every enemy hit with an attack or just once for each attack that hits something

[split igloo]

any tips for close range weapons? thing like aspect of medea and axe usually end with me taking to many hits accidently

[uneven palm]

Practice mostly. Most enemies attack then do nothing for a bit, so you can dash to dodge or bait them into attacking just out of range, then punish. Pretty much always have a cast down to control the room and keep from getting swarmed.

Or, ya know, just get Demeter’s cast.

[languid spoke]

unfortunately the big answer is learning enemy timings. also don’t get greedy (i say this as someone that often gets greedy) be willing to dash back from an enemy to avoid an attack rather than getting in that “just one more hit”

[vestal coyote]

Does anyone have any builds for Surface climb with Xinth with Selene's aspect? I was thinking somthing around Hestia's attack boon (Of course I'm going to take Quick Burn) and probably Ephaestus special but that's pretty much it.

Note : I'm only missing 3 keepsakes (Zeus, Dyonisus? and the one between Crystal Figurine and Chaos)

[uneven palm]

Typically folks start with the Moon Beam to juice the hex and go from there. I like doing either big percentage boosts (Aphro/Apollo/Hera maybe Ares) on attack/special and alternating Omega moves with the Night arcana. Or put like statuses like Zeus/Hestia/Hera/Ares/Poseidon (slip) on those and use Origination to power up your hex lasers too.

[vestal coyote]

And what do you think is the best Boon to put for my mana? Hera (Concentrate mana), Ares (Concentrate health), Hestia (Regenerate mana per attack) or Demeter (Stand still to gain mana)?

[spare kite]

Hera/hestia work

[vestal coyote]

kk

[spare kite]

Also hera/dem/hestia have another benefit on their "omega does extra effect but costs more"

More mana spent = faster hex
So fine line/controlled burn/weed killer

[uneven palm]

Ares too but Cut Above is only +5

[celest dune]

@glossy hollow aspect of Pan, which weapon is it? I forgot

[glossy hollow]

The sister blades

Get ares on attack, Poseidon on spesh, then get slip and try for the Arterial spray duo boon

[celest dune]

I admit I'm not very used to them, I mostly go with the Twin Torches. The only time I beat Cronos was with Twin Torches (Aspect of Melinoe) + lots of Zeus boons

[glossy hollow]

Then go for that Hermes boon that gives you increased % of stuff happening

[glossy hollow]

Ohh
Go for Aspect of Moros then

Very good builds with that one

[celest dune]

Aspect of Moros, noted. Thank you!

I just hope I didn't beat Cronos out of sheer luck.

[glossy hollow]

Nahh
Check on YT for some good builds
Aspect of Moros is pretty crazy

Oh btw when I say ' spesh' it means special

[celest dune]

Thanks!

[magic moss]

aspect of moros strong

[glossy hollow]

Aphrodite on attack, Zeus on special, Born gain, Extended family, fine lines
That's my go to build

Just put on that omega special and get close and attack tf outta em
Ez clear

[glossy hollow]

• Heartthrob for giggles

[celest dune]

Aphrodite/Zeus builds look really strong. I beat Cronos with that and I try to test other builds

[magic moss]

weedkiller + righteous pike is better :L

[glossy hollow]

Oh yeah righteous pike is good too
But I don't think Baron has passed Eris yet so this is good until he gets Athena

[celest dune]

I indeed didn't pass Eris yet. She is a pain in the feet.

[glossy hollow]

Ikr
Took me a while to get past her too
When it comes to her , it's all about dodging at the right time
Get up close and personal and study her attack patterns so that you can time your dodges

[celest dune]

Exactly what I'm currently doing with Cronos.

[tawdry wave]

Do the Knuckle Bones work on Typhon, and does the "next guardian has -15% HP" apply to Typhon himself or does it get burnt on the Spawn of Typhon or his tail?

[silent crow]

1. yes
2. typhon himself

[tawdry wave]

I see, thank you

[spare kite]

Tail and spawn/twins are wardens by how the game defines them

[ivory sphinx]

does the hammer boosted ignition work with aspect of medea?

[spare kite]

ye

[ivory sphinx]

pog

[thin ridge]

One surprising build I found was Poseidon Hestia the damage over time is nice

[pearl cedar]

I'm late, but aspect of momus with blitz on attack was how I beat 32Fear surface. Staff is goooood.

[forest hinge]

can anyone tell me what the conditions are for Artemis to appear? I have a build in mind with Selene-Coat to use Easy Shot with Ares meat grinder and Dem's arctic ring to trigger an arrow with each tick

[pure grove]

non-menu rooms in erebus, oceanus, and ephyra

so, no god boons, no selene, no poms, and no hammer iirc

[forest hinge]

also when Meat Grinder says 30dmg/sec, is the meat grinder dealing multiple ticks of dmg that add up to 30dmg/sec, or is it dealing singular ticks of 30dmg after each sec passes? (for things like Easy Shot)

[forest hinge]

so resources, hp/mp and stuff like that?

[pure grove]

yeah

lore reason is because she doesn't want other gods to notice her, but it's weird how it also excludes selene, hermes, poms, and hammer

[spare kite]

Is only on the O cast (aka the explosion itself) doing dmg that easy shot works

Grinder and dem's won't work

[loud rampart]

i understand the staff is good in the right hands, my playstyle is more flighty so it gets me stuck in hit animations while an enemy is attacking, which is why i dont like it

[pearl cedar]

Demeter cast or other boons can help give you space. Also Arcana cards to speed up Omega times and do the Omega slowdown thing

[forest hinge]

only the explosion works??? thats... extremely lame LOL, dang, i thought i was cooking for a second

[silent crow]

easy shot is maybe the worst boon in the game

[rotund nacelle]

Phalanx Shot would like to have a word with you

[forest hinge]

Easy Shot would be so much more interesting if it triggered based on ANY dmg dealt within your cast. The dmg from the arrows of course would prob need a nerf, but it'd be way better than only proccing on O.Cast's explosion :/

[rotund nacelle]

Also, wouldn't it at least have some use on Charon Axe or Momus Staff? Shadow Pounce would probably be better in either case, but Easy Shot would at least do something

[spare kite]

I'd prefer killing stroke on charon lol

Or lethal snare on momus

[forest hinge]

easy shot could've been so cool...

[pearl cedar]

Easy shot feels pretty good when hordes 2 is on

The arrows pierce through multiple enemies don't they?

[silent crow]

phalanx shot almost does something at least

[forest hinge]

yeah they do, its just that the overall usability could be a lot better

[silent crow]

oh wow 50 damage to all the enemies so good

[forest hinge]

i forget everytime im so sorry, but does +% dmg for Casts also include olympian affects like arctic ring, meat grinder, etc? (im gonna write it down this time i promise)

[rotund nacelle]

Is the deflect at all useful for defense when channeling an O-Special?

[silent crow]

you can shoot it into a big projectile and use it as the worst parry in any video game ever

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and put it on the shelf next to post-nerf Mental Block

[silent crow]

post nerf mental block at least does something

its not a bad boon tbh

[rotund nacelle]

For UW runs you're right. It gives +160 Gold

The ICD makes it infuriating to use. I'd rather just not have it

[silent crow]

80 dmg a deflect and some iframes is pretty fine

its just more braindead now

trying to use it with intention is hell

[rotund nacelle]

I just hate the inconsistency of it. The damage and deflect duration nerf was needed, but adding a second cooldown timer to it makes it awful to use

[forest hinge]

what if Artemis had a boon kinda like Giga Moonburst(staff) or Glorious Disaster(zeus/apo) where you could overcharge an omega move to fire a mega arrow like how artemis does during her encounters?

[hexed sequoia]

Prety good build if i say so myself, desintegrated big T with it (i jumped straight from zeuz to his second summoning phase) (blood and darkness why cant i send the pic)

[forest hinge]

yeah you cant send pics in the combat channel

[silent crow]

that would be kinda awesome actually

[spare kite]

Send somewhere else > right click > copy link

[hexed sequoia]

Better idea

Nvm cant share it

[spare kite]

?

[hexed sequoia]

I tried fowarding it

Didnt work

[elfin forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1355378003068325969/Screenshot_2025-03-28_at_8.08.03_PM.png?ex=67f68d61&is=67f53be1&hm=16588f89c8923bc450d9d8c5ad993c8715cabb51190cb4f6ec18fbfe9c6df497&

You need to copy link

[hexed sequoia]

Alr i see

[spare kite]

Also be sufe is not copy message link but copy link

[forest hinge]

does anyone ever go for Heph's legend boon? if so, what is it best on?

[hexed sequoia]

This is pc only isnt it?, im trying on phone and its not an option

[spare kite]

Click the img > 3 dots top right > share

[hexed sequoia]

But the build was prety much a "big slam with axe (scythe)"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1097621506890158101/1359321710507331664/image-25.png?ex=67f70e7e&is=67f5bcfe&hm=07169eb693f39e9e266b879286f281b1659f73c578ab1a2f2b58c50975746bb9&

[elfin forge]

no bad words allowed

[spare kite]

Rank 6 Than my beloved

[elfin forge]

holy cow more then one page of boons

[hexed sequoia]

(yes i got 2 duos back to back)

[hexed sequoia]

The artificer + maxed out hex

But the one on the other page is just apro infusion

Also i beaten big T again today but on nightmare 16, sadly i didnt screenshot my build but it was prety similar

(both times wolf howl for some reason?)

[junior trail]

momus and than ig?

also mel staff if playing with autofire o.special

[forest hinge]

with the power shot hammer?

[uncut raven]

So, I'm on a 25 Fear run with Strength in place of Death, Aspect of Melinoe...bruh, Hera plus Winners Circle is a WINNER. It seems like a debuff to it at first glace cause it expires much faster, but thats exactly why I love it. Being able to give hitch to large amounts of enemies in quick succession has been helping me to kill em that much faster

bout to face Strife now

[elfin forge]

Hera + winner's circle is a straight buff

Winner's circle is a nerf to Zeus, Hestia, and aphro

[silent crow]

momus is easily the best abuser but than axe mel skulls and selene coat are my next picks

[junior trail]

any hammer will do rly, aetheric/rapid/giga/dual are all fun

ᶦ ᵈᵒⁿᵗ ˡᶦᵏᵉ ˢʰᶦᵐᵐᵉʳᶦⁿᵍ ᵇᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ʲᵘˢᵗ ᵐʸ ᵖʳᵉᶠᵉʳᵉⁿᶜᵉ

[junior trail]

selene? sky fall -20 magick cost decrease?

[silent crow]

pretty significant lets you spam more

[slate pine]

does the huntress trigger when you prime all magick?

[silent crow]

better than the other options i could think of

[silent crow]

no

[slate pine]

damn ok ty

[hexed sequoia]

How did you get this tini tiny text?

-# best i can do is this

[forest hinge]

aww teeny tiny text

[forest hinge]

how does Momus interact with the Power Shot hammer?

[last cape]

Bridal glow doesn't target heroic boons right? So if you start your run with a heroic core boon, can you still get the bridal glow glitch?

[junior trail]

momus only copies o.special (that has +50% dmg if firing power shot) but does not regain magick

[junior trail]

no, there has to be one boon (except npc ones) that is not heroic for bridal to show up

[last cape]

right but assuming you get a heroic boon, two unpommable boons and then bridal glow

[junior trail]

bridal heavily prioritizes pommable boon, so if the heroic boon is pommable, bridal might apply its upgrade to that instead (only +pom level)

[bleak night]

Why exactly does Staff O-Special take that long to charge when it's completely useless

[last cape]

Isn't it one of the faster omegas?

Not that it deserves any of my time lmao

after the huntress it doesn't even out dps the base special lmao

[bleak night]

dunno ngl, I don't even use it for the damage. I just want there to be extra things staggering enemies

[elfin forge]

the base damage is so bad

[spare kite]

What's the base dmg on it, 80?

[junior trail]

yeah its 80

[forest hinge]

staff o.spec lookes way cooler now, but i find myself using it even less than the old one unfortunately

[silent crow]

no its really slow 😭

base special is 40 dmg and is basically instant and has more range and costs 0 magic

[last cape]

I was like "hm that sounds really low" forgetting that I now understand all the damage numbers with strength lol

[magic moss]

the channel is fast but like the only time i use it is for omega rotation on momus

[last cape]

yea the channel is fast, just compare it to omegas on literally every weapon and I think it's only slower than maybe the coat o-special but it's also still way too slow for how little it actually does

[sage flame]

and for spiky heph ball cause its funny lookin

[last cape]

Does it just need more damage? I wonder if there's a more creative buff it can get

[sage flame]

bigger aoe would be nice tbh

[elfin forge]

give it a big boom

[sage flame]

or just something completely different

[stable herald]

I think more damage is really all it needs, maybe a faster projectile.

[forest hinge]

i kinda want an aspect that has to do with actually standing inside your cast to get some effect

like maybe once hidden aspects are added, the hidden staff could be so your specials instead become like orbital strikes while standing inside your cast circle(visualizing how icarus drops his bombs) LOL idk just an idea

[elfin forge]

turn cast into Ley Lines from final fantasy 14

[forest hinge]

something like that lol

[vast timber]

Are damage reductions capped? Or can I go down to nearly zero damage taken?

[elfin forge]

I think you're still gonna take 1

unless you have Hermes legendary

[uncut raven]

It nerfs cause it takes away DPS time?

[bleak night]

@kind violet

[kind violet]

im here 🙂

[bleak night]

Mel Blades is a weap that's pretty popular rn

Pan is the strongest thing rn because of the Trick Knives build, but focusing on one of 12 hammers isn't the easiest thing to do, Mel Blades can do it without a specific hammer

can even clear 50F Surface really well with Mel Blades because Ephyra will just boost the rate of your build's scaling

[kind violet]

interesting, i thought the axe was considered better for high fear, is the damage with backstab just way better or is it the ranged special also?

[bleak night]

Axe is still better overall, people just find Mel Blades really easy to build around because everything kinda works

[kind violet]

well that definitely makes sense, tysm for the advice

[bleak night]

Yeah, just start with Zeus Special and it kinda builds itself

Romantic Spark is still best, but if there's no Aphro you can still just pick whatever

[late lantern]

so god's keepsake + vows of denial actually let you reroll your first boon by giving up and restaring?

[uneven palm]

No, a first-room boon is pretty well set by the current run’s RNG seed

If you have the late-game “Acceptance of Another Fate” incantation you can change the seed. So you can start, see what the boon is, if it’s not what you want you give up, change the seed, and try again until you get the starter core boon you want.

[void idol]

what is the best build for mel blades aside from zeus special and trick knives, maybe romantic spark

like what do you put on attack

[bleak night]

Scorch Attack Freezer Burn

[void idol]

and what if you get screwed over with no trick knives

[bleak night]

you don't need Trick Knives to win with it, it just helps a lot

[void idol]

ok cool

[bleak night]

the build itself doesn't need any hammers to win at 40F below

[void idol]

thanks

[halcyon fiber]

Is there a list of stuff the game doesnt tell you? I just found out Local Climate apparently also boost regular cast, and I'm wondering if there's a list of things like that

[bleak night]

game doesn't tell you that some boons are negative prerequisites for others

Local Climate stops you from getting Lightning Lance, for instance, and vice versa

[halcyon fiber]

like poseidons cast and boons that alter casts?

like local climate and dems cast changer?

[bleak night]

Not entirely sure which things are negative prereqs for others, but it's probably the ones that heavily alter Omega Cast, yeah

I do know you can get Local Climate and Geyser Spout together though

[halcyon fiber]

Fine Line has some crazy stuff. especially with torch omega casts. wondering how intentional that is. Ive melted bosses in seconds

does require a lot of build towards the magic though

[bleak night]

Fine Line's intended, but it's mostly disgusting on Torch Omega Attacks yeah. That + Righteous Pike

[halcyon fiber]

yeah. with weed cutter and ares blades that are instant its totally broken

but so are lots of things if you get very specific boons

[bleak night]

I hear Mel Torches is fun with Zeus Special and Arc Flash

Just Omega Special and run around the target, though that'd probs be better with Romantic Spark

[late lantern]

I saw different rarity of the same boon when I restarted

[halcyon fiber]

Aspect of Pan seems to have stuff like that too. I hope they buff other stuff instead of nerfing good stuff

[bleak night]

Pan's got the most disgusting build atm, but it's reliant on 1 of 12 hammers, so not the easiest to just get

the magickless Trick Knives build with Apollo/Hera Special

[halcyon fiber]

I think ive 1--% the games as is. come on next update im waiting

[bleak night]

Give higher fear runs a shot, I've been doing em a fair bit

[halcyon fiber]

i think the most broken is fine line + toches, axe that has the omega special dburst omega cast, and Pan\

ive done all the 32s. Past that seems Sadomasochistic

[bleak night]

eh, I still find it really fun

I can't play anything under 50F anymore lol

[halcyon fiber]

Ive just been trying to get my times down. most are around 12 minutes now

[bleak night]

play the funny builds and you'll wash runs

[halcyon fiber]

except for the black coat. havent found anything truely awesome on that yet

[bleak night]

Wave Strike mostly

that or Romantic Spark but like, every aspect is good with Romantic Spark

[halcyon fiber]

dont love anything that relies too heavily on hammer rng or early Steady Growth

[bleak night]

that weapon is heavily reliant on hammer rng sadly

though if you're getting an early hammer, you can just pick from a lot of good options tbf

Exhaust Riser for Dash Attacks, 3 Special hammers for Missile spam, Launcher Frame for mixed, etc

about 7 or so of the 12 hammers are good to start off with a fair bit

[rotund nacelle]

Ok, I rescind my earlier statement in that Phalanx Shot is not completely worthless. It does give some decent defense on Charon Axe

[late lantern]

Losing sanity on surface 32, tried to not put shadow and time on, but the mobs are so brutal lol

[bleak night]

maybe just do timer 1

alternatively, just do timer 3 and cut down enemy count and HP, then full send it

[halcyon fiber]

I want more. more of everything. I love this game so much but i worry the next updates will not include any boons or gods. I know wee are getting +1 aspect for each weapon, but i just want mroe of everything

I hope they have a few surpsies but i doubt it

[bleak night]

we're still missing a mechanic that'll assist in runs

[halcyon fiber]

I know we arent getting more gods, but maybe just like 2 more bons per god?

[bleak night]

probs not

[rotund nacelle]

Each Major update tends to rework/balance a number of boons. So there'll be some new stuff to play with

[halcyon fiber]

plus the harder bosses. Im curious if that will be vows or not.

and 3 more keepsakes I assume. I wonder if we will get the sidekicks or whatever those things are called in hades 1. summmons

[junior trail]

maybe support boon related to hex just like in h1 with calls? (like billowing strength and smoldering air, but hex equivalent) but they already removed midnight oil and witty retort soo

[halcyon fiber]

what were those?

hexes? do you think hexes replaced calls or will we have bnoth?

[rotund nacelle]

I doubt calls as they were in H1 are coming back as they've essentially been replaced by Selene

[bleak night]

They want you to use the new mechanic

[junior trail]

midnight oil: strike speed increase when hex is ready to use
witty retort: hex requires less magick

[halcyon fiber]

more hexes would be better. I know SG isnt going to but i would love them do do more content after launch. it's selfish but its so good it just makes you want more more more

Maybe if it sells a bajillions copies, but look at BG3, they would have made a fortune doing dlc and just walked away. they could have just done dnd quests like Curse of Straud

[rotund nacelle]

@bleak night What's your build order for surface Charon Axe? Do you take Poseidon keepsake just of Geyser Spout? Or is it easier to take something else and try to roll Poseidon later?

[halcyon fiber]

to put this in context though, Ive played almost 400 hours of this so ive gotten my money and absolutely love it. I shouldnt been complaining, but theyve got me hooked

[bleak night]

just put on Pos keepsake in Olympus if he doesn't show up in Ephyra

Damage doesn't need to turboscale yet in Thessaly. It's nice if it did, but not entirely needed

[rotund nacelle]

Athena start then? Or would you maybe start Demeter?

[bleak night]

I just do Apollo start

unless you really wanna do Athena start then play Mortal/Born Gain if no Apollo

iirc someone did Mortal Gain on a 50F surface Charon

[rotund nacelle]

I've done a couple tries on Mortal Gain and it works reasonably well. I haven't really liked using Lucid Gain unless I've got Giga Cleaver.I don't really want to be in the enemies face while I wait the 3-5 business days for my O-Special to channel

[bleak night]

I just get Lucid Gain so I don't need to worry about increasing my max MP

[slate shard]

i start with ares special now

and then it;s either born gain or lucid gain

[tough pasture]

lol, yep...

I returned to this game after 6-7 weeks and I'm still useless at the black coat.

"DAMMIT MAN!"

/It's kinda bizarre. I thought I would enjoy the black coat weapon aspects but...they're somehow clunky in my mind. I can't get anything to "click" for me as in the movements/actions don't feel intuitive. I can't seem to figure out why.

[bleak night]

punches need to be faster

[uneven palm]

Do a baseline combo of special attack attack repeat. Throw any combo of Poseidon, Hestia, Ares, Hera, Zeus on attack/special and it’ll probably be fine. Most of the non-Omega hammers are decent but Shimmering Rockets is probably the winner overall. With Exhaust Riser and Poseidon/Hestia/Static Shock the dash-strike is extra compelling.

Like my stock rotation for Mel Coat is O special as things spawn/approach, then dash-strike in and get to special attack attack until dead

[bleak night]

the Attack Speed hammer on Mel Coat is really nice

[tough pasture]

I may have tried some version(s) of this but it's a blur at this point. So I might as well give it another go to see if I have a change of heart.

[halcyon fiber]

Do you guys feel orgination is a must have? I almost never use it in favor of boon rarity cards

I know its "optimal" but 30% inside omegas seems almost as good

[tough pasture]

I don't consider origination as an absolute "must have" but I'm very likely in the minority on that.

[willow phoenix]

I don't consider it a must but it's definitely better than excellence imo since divinity exists

[halcyon fiber]

If i get steady growth and pick almsot all epics, plus do +30% inside casts, i feel like im having more fun with a broader arrray of builds

[willow phoenix]

And some damage sources don't increase in damage from rarity/poms like scorch and origination is one of the few ways to increase it

[halcyon fiber]

honestly i just wish it was easier to get poms on runs. Maybe we will meet mama and get her keepsake from H1

surface runs

maybe thats been replaced with Icarus 7 enoucnter boon

[rotund nacelle]

Usually, Origination is better than Excellence. You can think of Excellence as as 50% chance of +1 pom on every boon (Technically a little bit better than that since level scaling has diminishing returns, it's more like +1 first pom), but pomming most +%damage isn't great since all %damage increases are additive. Generally, the +50% from Origination is going to do more than a small boost to around half your boons. The exception to that is builds using a LOT of boons with better rarity scaling, such as flat power ones like Zeus and Poseidon. Even then, those boons have a harder time getting %damage increases, so Origination has a greater impact on your overall damage output. Something like Zeus/Hera/Ares or Poseidon/Hera/Ares though, where you're aiming for both Extended Family and Rallying Cry + some other +%damage stuff could let Excellence have a greater impact than Origination by the end of the run. However, Origination isn't all that hard to proc early in the run, and a global (or near global depending on the curses) +50% damage increase before you reach the first boss puts in a LOT of work

Plus, Divinity, Rerolls, and God Keepsakes exists to let you get high rarities on the boons it matters most for so that kinda diminishes the value of Excellence in comparison

[spring holly]

Divine dash or Stulwart Defence. What's the best for a 32 fear run

[glossy forge]

Divine Dash. You can easily win any 32 Fear run by stacking tons of HP with Strength active, then healing to full after every boss fight. Stalwart is really only useful at 53+ Fear.

[magic moss]

stalwart pin is like incredibly broken tho

but yeah i would recommend ddash for 32

[mortal pier]

I keep trying to get a 32 fear surface run with varying success. Currently my strat is Aspect of Medea Skull with Zeus's Special, Demeter's Attack, a high rarity of Steady Growth, while trying to go for Demeter's Legendary and the Zeus/Demeter Duo. My current vows (all on full unless specified) are Pain, Grit, Hordes, Menace, Return, Fangs, Shadow, Hubris, and Denial, with Time and Void both on 2. My familiar is Frinos for the extra health and my arcana is The Wayward Son, The Queen, The Champions, Strength, and Judgement. I have everything leveled up to the most it currently can be. Any suggestions?

[mortal pier]

I also usually try and get Colossus Driver

Should I go for Aphrodite more to try and get Healthy Rebound?

[bleak night]

You able to join the VC in the speedrun server and stream? I can teach you better that way methinks

[mortal pier]

I'd need to get off in about an hour, do you think that'll be enough time?

[bleak night]

honestly, yeah

also you can just hit Quit Game and it'll save the run there, as opposed to hitting Give Up

[mortal pier]

True

[bleak night]

#self-promotion message join the H2 Live review voice channel, I'll join you in a bit

[spring holly]

Ok so this might be a easy to think of build but Hest/Dem builld with Hest/Afro and crit build on Black Coat. You can easily get up to 12,000 damage if you crit

[spare kite]

"Just crit bro"

[halcyon fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/crit-nichole-daniels-south-park-s23e7-board-girls-gif-19444698

has anyone done the math on how early and what rarity steady growth goes from OP to just not worth? I often get it as my third boon if i start with Dem keepsake

with rerolls. My experience tells me you need at least one main slot filled with Dem to get it

[pure grove]

If you run into hera after rarifying a dem primary, you can guarantee bridal glow and go crazy

But yeah, it’s often only worth it in the beginning and later on you just skip it unless you can guarantee fountain rarity or bridal glow

[spare kite]

Even late I take it if nothing else from dem helps

[fluid orchid]

Any folks with 55 fear clears, how long did it take you? I feel like I’ve put in a good 15 hours + and I need some motivation because I’m pretty sure I’ve only reached boss 3 twice and not even entered Tartarus yet

[bleak night]

I only really do 55f surface runs now so idk

what are you trying it on ?

[fluid orchid]

Medea

[bleak night]

Herro and BananaSteve did that recently if you wanna check their vods out

it's in the 55 Fear Clears tab of the sheet already

[fluid orchid]

Thanks, I’ll take a look at those then!

[bleak night]

also ngl, if you can join the VCs while grnding it out, you might be more motivated

you don't really get all that salty about Fangs stupidity and Hellifish bad luck if you're talking to people while playing

Herro didn't, at least, lol.

[fluid orchid]

Bro that octopus is taking YEARS off my life

[bleak night]

ima send you the invite links hold on

accept friendreq so I can instadm

[fluid orchid]

At least Medea probably has the easiest time and I’ve had the armor shred like the last 20 times I’ve faced it

[bleak night]

I found Mel Axe to be easy to do on 55f UW

but it's also my main aspect so that might not be applicable

[fluid orchid]

Medea’s basically the one I’ve gone above 32 fear with atm. Haven’t touched any others, and honestly Medea gets away with so much I think there’ll be a steep learning curve

[bleak night]

Medea is also kinda bad with Divine Dash

so you can utilize it better on other things

[fluid orchid]

Yeeeahhh… the best way I’ve found so far is by tapping dash then special super fast after loading it. Gets a mostly invulnerable dash and tbh it’s the only semi consistent way I’ve found to deal with rolling the lasers and orbs on vow of fangs

[bleak night]

I've got vods for every aspect if you ever wanna see how I use em ig

[fluid orchid]

I’ll definitely be sure to check those out. I used to use axe a lot back before warsong patch

[glossy forge]

Shhhh, Medea sucks. It’s so inaccessible and clunky, it needs a buff.

[glossy forge]

Just fig leaf it, easy game

[fluid orchid]

Certainly doesn’t help that at least 2 of the hammer upgrades actively make it clunkier

[primal perch]

does activating the omega cast via omega special with aspect of charon not count as an omega combo? i'm not getting the indicator when the night arcana card is activated, so guessing not

[formal pulsar]

It is not a combo

You have to cast the move yourself for night to trigger

[steel void]

In order to win at 32f on the surface, would you guys consider Brave Face (Hera/Heph duo) as the safest way to do it?

I'm really struggling... Almost beat Typhon once with Mel skull, randomly spamming attacks, then nothing, can't even beat Eris, so I'm kind of strategy-hopping, looking for something that will "click"... ^^'

[olive tusk]

the most reliable way is hera fine line build

[steel void]

Could you explain a bit more what this consists in (is there a specific weapon/build other than that)?
I also tried the "easiest" aspect, Medea, but I just don't get it... ^^'

[lilac flare]

I think Scylla and the Sirens should add a tambourine player for the next update.

[olive tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kth9YB8Jyow&t=429s

its possible to completely mollywop even 50f with it

[steel void]

I will check that, thank you! : )

[formal pulsar]

is thunder dash underrated on coat dash spam builds? I was it and statc shock on my recent run and noticed on the dps meter that it kinda matched static shock damage.

dash did slightly more on guardian and static shock did more on mob encounters

granted i didnt have electric overload or master conducter

[thin ridge]

What’s the best Medea dash or does it matter

[silent crow]

i dont think it matters

passion rush and blinding rush are the vanilla best dashes so its probably the same there

[thin ridge]

Makes sense because that’s how chaining attacks operate

[polar chasm]

with gale, can you save all your blocks for the guardian fight?

[formal pulsar]

it is possible if you are good enough and didnt get hit or gale didnt proc in the biome before the guardian fight

[polar chasm]

good to know, thanks

[polar chasm]

I'm still so bad at picking poms, which one would be best? arctic ring, static shock, or slippery slope

[elfin forge]

prolly static shock? idk

I think for pom picks, you generally try to spread them out evenly, and then try to avoid giving it to % boons

[polar chasm]

ah good to know

[woeful saddle]

Hey yall, how can i get the most out of the witches staff?

[elfin forge]

depends on your hammers? you either do omega attack or attack generally

[woeful saddle]

The most mileage ive gotten out of it is getting the daedulus upgrade that makes omega attack fire twice in the direction your facing

[elfin forge]

special is mostly for applying debuffs unless your hammers really beef it up

I feel like most of its hammers are pretty good, if a bit plain

[magic moss]

do you want like mix maxing with animation cancels or just relative build ideas

[woeful saddle]

mostly build ideas

[elfin forge]

idk, you can do something like mirror thrasher, wicked thrasher, aphro attack? that sounds pretty good

just mash attack to win

[magic moss]

in general you want omega attack amping boons (could be strong % atk boons, weedkiller, Mirrored Thrasher, etc) with a curse applying special

[elfin forge]

for special you do something like Hera, Ares, dem

maybe heph, and you just use it on cooldown

[magic moss]

heph isnt good anymore since base damage increased for the reference

[elfin forge]

For attack you go for any of the good ones, like Zeus, Apollo, with Hera, Apollo, and Dem as backup options

Poseidon is prolly good if you max out atk spd, and do normal attack

[woeful saddle]

Also, for Freezer Burn, it says it "deals damage and remvoes scorch". Does that mean it converts all the damage scorch would have done and turns it into burst damage?

[elfin forge]

yep

[woeful saddle]

aweseome i was hoping there would be a boon like that for hestia

[elfin forge]

big scorch become big boom

[fluid orchid]

blinding rush is my favorite. very easy to proc and gets a lot of mileage. passion dash is good too

[jolly badge]

trying for a big golden rule run and I'm reseting with chaos keepsake to try to get affluence right away, but many many attempts in and affluence hasn't shown up once. does anyone know, is it possible to get it right away or are you limited in what chaos boons the keepsake will give you at the start of a run?

[silent crow]

ur just unlucky

[jolly badge]

was afraid of that

[sage flame]

wouldnt affluence from the embyro switch by the end of erebus tho

[spare kite]

Just hit enough free rooms

[jolly badge]

yeah that was the goal, just hasn't happend yet. gotta keep trying!

[keen sapphire]

I'm glad my Cut Above + Coffin Nail idea worked out.
#h2-victory-boasting message

[glossy rivet]

Is it just me or making an axe spin build not as easy as a charon boomcast build
Any builds to make thanatos spin reliable? Had a meh build that i only survived using bc i had heroic blood spree lol

[faint oyster]

So TIL, you can negate Eris' damage boost on herself by using Phase Shift (assuming you got Purification) while she's using her bomb at herself.

[median anvil]

just aphro strike with psychic whirlwind

if you keep getting hit it's likely more of an issue with your positioning

[glossy rivet]

Is psychic the giga cleaver for spins?

[median anvil]

i guess so

it's a massive boost in your damage output

[glossy rivet]

Yeah what do i get to get hit less or mitigate damage?

Should i also stack air boons for dodge

[median anvil]

if you're surrounded, one simple tip is to put down a cast, then stay on the edge away from all the enemies and charge your spin

mynt does it a lot in his videos

also don't ever do the last attack of your combo, it takes way too long to come out which puts you in a dangerous position

[glossy rivet]

What do i do while psychic whirl is on? Do dash strikes?

[median anvil]

dash strike, attack, attack

can also use cast or special in between

(mostly to apply curses for origination)

[glossy rivet]

Hmm aight ima try
What other gods support the build

[median anvil]

cardiac gain is good

or glamour gain

anything that lets you apply curses for origination

[glossy rivet]

Hestia gain? I thought her gain only works on non omega strikes

[median anvil]

which you will be doing a lot of with psychic whirlwind

but glamour gain is more reliable

[glossy rivet]

Okay , ill try it

[median anvil]

any boon that gives you more power is also an instant take

and omega boosts like weed killer

[faint oyster]

Medea's Traces of Spirit + Heph's Uncanny Fortitude is really nice, passive max HP boost 😄

Then adding up Plentiful Forage, Aph's Max HP up and Hearty Appetite

the only thing missing was Ares' Mutual Destruction XD

[stable herald]

Sneak in Hestia's Burnt Offering and some Ashes to really get those numbers up, and maybe Hecuba and the Silver Wheel charm. Uncanny Fortitude is such a good boon

[faint oyster]

Yep, Hecuba was a good girl there! (Went with Ody's Knuckle Bones instead for the last keepsake admittedly, I was pressed for time in the last run)

[slate trench]

Best build for mel torches 50F?

[spare kite]

Prob fine line/righteous pike stuff or romantic spark as always

[uneven palm]

Or just Hera/Zeus stuff. I cleared surface with Fine Line but got close several times with Hitch and a fat blitz

[bleak night]

Usual 4 suspects build

[tall notch]

No idea if that is still meta, but in patch 4 I enjoyed doing exactly that on blades

[thin ridge]

It’s where you can use regular attacks and specials while the omega attack is active it’s kinda op

[primal perch]

Freeze lasts 2 seconds, but its cooldown is 10 seconds. Does the cooldown start after freeze ends or when it’s applied? Does smithy rush have to clear the cooldown when they’re actually frozen, or can it clear the cooldown when they’re unfrozen, but still on cooldown?

[errant laurel]

what should i spend my moon dust on

like what are the best arcana cards

[fair horizon]

Strength, Persistence, Wayward Son, Origination, The Centaur, Furies, Fates, Enchantress, Boatman, Champions

also Sorceress

[sage flame]

after it ends I believe, indicated by the symbols above their head there's the first freeze symbol and then the second darker symbol after they unfreeze that has the rotating overlay to show the timer. are you talking about the room temperature duo boon?

[junior trail]

Room Temperature removes all effects related to Freeze (the actual freeze and freeze cooldown), so enemies can be frozen again right away.

[junior trail]

That said, keep in mind that Guardians only get their animations slowed while frozen. The moment Room Temp kicks in:

• You might not reapply Freeze fast enough and end up getting hit as soon as the Guardian thaws out, especially if you’re not using Arctic Ring
• Blast slowdown can throw off your timing, especially with the 2 second cooldown and chain reaction

[zinc creek]

did they remove the parry on the axe?

(I haven't played in a while)

[sage flame]

yep, moved to the 6th weapon

[zinc creek]

noooooooooooooooooo

[sage flame]

yea

its omega attack is a block

[zinc creek]

oh there's a 6th weapon now?

nice

[sage flame]

they completed the surface route too

[zinc creek]

cool, and did they finish the ending on the other route too?

[spare kite]

Enjoy the 2 new bosses

[sage flame]

no story ending yet, same as it has been basically, some more dialogue tho

[faint oyster]

kinda forgot what Engagement Ring does other than give the enemies inside the cast Hitch. Not sure how is it better or worse than other casts. (Tidal Ring too feels a little meh)

what does "immediately deal damage based on foes in the binding circle" mean? The damage the first pulse does is determined by the number of foes in the ring?

[willow phoenix]

Yes

Let's say it has 20 damage per enemy and there's 5 enemy. Every enemy gets hit with 100 damage and then applies hitch. I don't remember if they get hitch damage too or not

But imo engagement ring is great

You add some hitch buff boon and winner circle and it gets pretty insane quick

[faint oyster]

I see. I doubt it works like this, but, Engagement Ring+Rousing Reception does it now count enemies outside the circle?

[willow phoenix]

Uhh no, rousing reception is a separate mechanic

It's not counted for engagement ring damage

[faint oyster]

Fair enough. Thought to cover that base at least.

[analog ether]

That would be way too strong, you could almost insta-kill an entire room with just one cast.

[faint oyster]

Good point

[surreal hazel]

it is still cast damage due to some spaghetti

[glossy rivet]

Which hitch buff is worth getting more the death blast or hitch damage boost?

[spare kite]

Lmfao?

[tall notch]

Is there actually a strategy to Typhon or is he just a DPS race?

[spare kite]

Kinda a dps race

He has 65k hp but stays in place always so if you have the dmg you can just bully him

[tall notch]

Does Zeus take out any of that? Do we have health values for each of his phases?

[spare kite]

52.5k - eggs 1
40k - zeus (he doesn't deal dmg, just stun)
25k - eggs 2

During the stun you can deal enough dmg to go instantly into eggs 2

[tall notch]

Yeah, that I have managed to do a few times

[spare kite]

Ideally staying next to him is the safest place once you know how to dodge the chin slam

[tall notch]

Also just to clarify, these are values without fear, right?

[spare kite]

Yeah lol

[tall notch]

Sick

[spare kite]

Dps racing him also makes sure you don't see his weird attacks like whip tongue/bullet rain

[tall notch]

I guess if I actually touch 50f surface, it won't be with Eos considering the amount of DPS racing involved in that path

[spare kite]

At most you deal with chin/forehead projectile/whirlwinds

[tall notch]

The tongue whip doesn't work anyway if you are in melee right

Because the tongue doesn't deal damage, only the laser

[spare kite]

Yeah lol

[tall notch]

Idk what SGG has been cooking with the surface boss design but it's got me scared of EM ngl

[spare kite]

Prom is gonna be amazing I bet

[tall notch]

3x3 (or 5x5) grid for the memorisation game? Having things thrown at you during it?

[spare kite]

Memory lanes during the entire fight, all go at once at the end

[tall notch]

I have a feeling Eris is going to do something stupid as well

Even after getting nerfed so much that fight at +40% speed terrifies me

[willow phoenix]

cmiiw but the way blast works is that it triggers in a certain aoe around the unit struck with blast right? And grand caldera increases that aoe so you can trigger blast on more units

[late lantern]

Any way to make Hera damage not sucks against bosses?

[spare kite]

Are you proccing origination

[tall notch]

You've got to get damage elsewhere and cannot rely on the boon to carry you. Your weapon, hammers, secondary damage source from other gods' boons like static shock

[bleak night]

you take Hera knowing the damage will be not as good vs solo bosses, but the amount of time you save from clearing mob rooms end up making you less desperate against those boss fights

for the most part though, it's also just easy Origination

[tall notch]

omg hi mynt i love you

[bleak night]

[late lantern]

The two mini bosses before typhon really checked your dps if you are not gud

[formal pulsar]

Hera also has a decent percentage damage. Like it is not the best but it is not as rarity dependent and definitely not bad

[viscid wave]

Yeh, I usually take Hera to kind of....AOE clear, and then try and have a different option for single target.

[novel vector]

i remember crushing typhon's stupid little eggs with hitch, it was so satisfying

[dreamy thicket]

Does a mini-boss room increase the chances of being offered a Legendary?

[void idol]

yes

[surreal hazel]

It's set per region

Not all miniboss rooms are created equal

[split igloo]

can someone explain the torches magic spam build? all i understand right now is hera for born gain and fissure

[spare kite]

Born gain + fine line + righteous pike

[split igloo]

alr ty

[spare kite]

Then get anything that increases the cost of your omegas or attack speed/channeling speed

[split igloo]

oke doke

[split igloo]

any hammers you would recommend?

[junior trail]

sustained spark is ideal

[split igloo]

ah i got that one by chance, thanks for the suggestion tho

[languid spoke]

clean candle is good too i think. the -1 is negligible but the increase omega attack is good

[languid spoke]

those are the keys, then you can also get weed killer and cut above. with born gain plus an ok amount of max mana you will melt things

[thin ridge]

Good 32 fear setup for surface?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1360674176020517094/IMG_4781.jpg?ex=67fbfa13&is=67faa893&hm=48faf56b54f0fba992203f8d4b8a52802058945930498c9c92074878f9691898&

[fair horizon]

Avoid: Debt, Hordes, Grit, Wards

[thin ridge]

Wards has felt free what’s the advantage to removing it

[fair horizon]

Both Forfeit and Denial are not that bad, just don't got crazy on boon after boon after boon with Denial.

Hubris is super easy, just pick a few magick-ups if the aspect is omega-focused

And run with Hecuba for magick hungry builds.

[thin ridge]

Thx

[jolly swan]

this is what I run for 32 surface if you wanna see it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1360675292137521393/image.png?ex=67fbfb1d&is=67faa99d&hm=435f9b3c29b59a5986eea76c0797775ec412168a7697663c11e31ceda902a0ca&

[fair horizon]

Shorter run time, less chance of screwing up, healthier hands and wrists. Also Hordes makes Grit and Wards and Pain much worse.

[jolly swan]

well "ran", these days I'd take off debt for scars 2

[thin ridge]

This is good but I’m too slow for time 3

[fair horizon]

If you take off Hordes, Wards, Grit, you'll be faster. I mean you can already do Time2 with all those slow vows. Give it a try.

Also try to get used to maxed Frenzy, it's worth.

[jolly swan]

solid point. Wards and Hordes make the rooms take longer so without those you could probably go a little faster

[languid spoke]

i feel like wards is dependent on my build. moros builds seem to melt through wards but other ones (like axe) struggle a lot more

[fair horizon]

Yeah

[silent crow]

wards always makes earlygame harder

[fair horizon]

Also if you try Time3, remember that in Olympus the doors are better than the trampolines (there's a chance for fountain/Heracles and less chance of Aetos).

[languid spoke]

true

[jolly swan]

I'm trying to get something together for only time 2. Man, that -3 fear from going from Timer 3 down to Timer 2 is brutal. Is Forfeit potentially an option? Especially on surface with the city being so nice

[silent crow]

what fear are u doin

[fair horizon]

32, is to help the other dude

[jolly swan]

I'm trying to help Alpha. I have my fear setups because I run Timer 3

[fair horizon]

Forfeit is fine in the Surface if you get nice Ephyra, yes.

[thin ridge]

Forfeit on underworld feels 5x worse

[fair horizon]

I mean, if you go with a minimal builds like Pan Poseidon, Poseidon Mel coat, Lucid Charon, etc., it becomes more consistent.

[jolly swan]

Forfeit with Artificer maybe? To be able to turn Thessaly to not garbage? That might be a play

[fair horizon]

Artificer's nice but not required, can go with Lovers instead or whatever. @thin ridge consider removing Void for max arcana goodness.

[thin ridge]

Yeah i removed that

I noticed a difference

[silent crow]

for 32 surface i turn on max grit

[thin ridge]

Lovers is just so useful and I can’t find myself turning it off

[jolly swan]

I see lovers as optional if you're not doing antler summit, but that's a very... speedrunner take probably.

yea that's fair. We also have Sand turning Typhon into a raidboss (he gets 84k HP with max Grit)

[languid spoke]

is it viable at all to use void up to 3 and then go judgement? i guess that would be fairly luck dependent

[thin ridge]

Typhon really only feels hard if I’m playing with frenzy

If he’s at default speed he is just a wall r

[languid spoke]

the rolls would be hell though

[jolly swan]

I mean, you can but I don't recommend turning on Void unless you're doing over 50F where it's the last thing you can turn on

having control of your arcana is what makes 32 fairly easy in this game

[silent crow]

builds on surface are strong enough to do it

and its much easier than forfeit or hordes

[jolly swan]

that's fair

[silent crow]

i also avoid debt to make myself as strong as possible

[sage flame]

think about it.......grit for typhon just makes knucklebones have more value.....

[spare kite]

[steel void]

Just to come back to this discussion; everytime I tried to make this build work, I ran out of mana super quickly and got stuck then killed during fights like Polyphemus or Thessaly with the back-to-back fights that don't restore your mana... Am I spamming too much?

[spare kite]

Thessaly is just rough in general for the build yeah

If you want a big source of mana asap get hecate's keepsake or hestia's burnt offering

[sage flame]

yeah^ just gotta keep that max magick up

[spare kite]

Also remember to carry hecuba

[languid spoke]

i think born gain has to be a priority for the build and then up max magick. imo if you can’t get born gain in ephyra you need to restart

[loud moat]

Hey, does anyone know if righteous pikes can be boosted by Harry’s bridal glow?

In like a magic heavy build lake Milano torches I’d want to use it

[spare kite]

is this google TL

[spare kite]

through normal circumstances no, because athena's boons can't be pommed

you can still rarify it with demeter's steady growth or get the demeter-hera duo before using athena's keepsake

(narcissus keepsake won't work if you are summoning her with her keepsake and is already rank 2 or higher)

tho if you wanna be technical you could carry an "all boons are commons" curse from chaos before athena but lol

[cold raven]

for torch omega spam build on surface, you can also get lucky and get medea in ephyra and get the curse that increases your max magick every encounter

at that point, you pretty much dont have to worry about magick for the rest of the run

[cold raven]

also helps a lot if you're taking time 3 vow since you likely want at least 1 free room in ephyra to make the timer less stressful (artemis, heracles, medea)

but after ephyra, the timer really is really not a big deal on something as strong as moros torches (unless you're seriously pumping up the vows that make rooms take longer, I guess)

#h2-victory-boasting message this is my underworld clear, but I used the exact same vow setup on surface

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464520535901208587/1360768324308303972/image.png?ex=67fc51c2&is=67fb0042&hm=5bcd48d6618335c26ffb2df4c23759560e50d24a8b8b996b7f4ffe18cc4b7287&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464520535901208587/1360768652088967169/image.png?ex=67fc5210&is=67fb0090&hm=01f1d25537975d1befdcd5d20aae0860b6e33b0ba4d219c588a4ddeec9e252f2&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464520535901208587/1360768765041840198/image.png?ex=67fc522b&is=67fb00ab&hm=a98d94874dc063523f23aacc799c90d38db7a6e04d6d32de9b9cab648bca1811&

I only grabbed hestia cuz I ran out of rerolls and wanted to fill out the dash slot so dashes stop showing up as much, but it ended giving me the hera hestia duo later on as well lol

Ideally it would've been aphrodite since I like her cast a lot for grouping up enemies, and weak helps a lot when you pair it with something like frosty veneer. Makes taking pain vow a lot less scary

For arcana, I normally swap out sorceress and eternity for messenger and artificer, but that setup ended being fine

[versed swan]

whats are the best boons for black coat´s attack and special

[silent crow]

poseidon attack and either ares or zeus special

you want to spam the dash attack as much as possible and weave in specials for supplemental status effects and damage

[versed swan]

I already spam the dash attack, the consecutive hits damage sucks
i wish it was almost as fast as the twin fists in H1

playing with the black coat is kinda playing with a weaker version of Pan´s aspect

[silent crow]

the tradeoff is that the base dmg is a lot higher than twin fists but it. still sucks yeah just keep spamming

[versed swan]

i spam specials every now and then

[silent crow]

yeah you want to use those to keep wounds/blitz up as much as possible

[thin ridge]

Heinous affront 🤑

[jolly swan]

light smite makes heinous affront a dirty boon

[tough ocean]

hey so i have a weird question

got sunny disposition as an option from boon boon boon but like i dont have heart breaker

so would it even have any effect rn

[willow phoenix]

Uhh no unless you have other ways to spawn hearthrobs like open heart or love handles

[tough ocean]

ok cool thought so lol

was kinda funny seeing it ngl

[tall notch]

Is Charon axe still good with the arcana card that boosted omega cast damage done? I just tried it and it felt like the damage was already dropping off around Eris

[junior trail]

the old night's effect (+o.cast damage) has been moved to geyser spout now, and the current night (+crit chance with o.move combo) doesnt work with charon

[silent crow]

you need other ways to scale it now

[junior trail]

like geyser spout, local climate, hostile environment if using sword ring (no arctic for safety) or meat grinder (no geyser for flat dmg)

supplemental dmg with special also helps, like vicious flourish/grievous blow, nova flourish/exceptional, heaven flourish/arc flash are also not bad

[tall notch]

Is getting the scaling realistic in 50f with onion and stuff?

[junior trail]

geyser and local arent hard to find

[tall notch]

So is the dream god pool like Apollo poseidon dem and something for special?

[silent crow]

on surface yeah

on UW you dont need that much scaling anyway

[tall notch]

Thanks for the info!

[silent crow]

blitz is good wounds are good

[tall notch]

OMG DEM LEGENDARY SKIPS ERIS LAST PHASE THIS IS BIG

[fair horizon]

granny loves you

[tall notch]

If only grandpa loved me too 😦

[fair horizon]

grandpa's old, you need to have patience with him and with his old TIMEy ways

[merry gulch]

Does anyone have tips for fighting Prometheus? (And maybe also for Eris if you don't manage to get Heat Rush in time?)

[night lagoon]

Eris can track you very well, but she can't turn around quickly. Keep behind her

[merry gulch]

Ah, so a faster and smaller Cerberus. I might be able to handle that.

[night lagoon]

Yeah, more or less. Also, the damage buffs she gets when she grenades herself works exactly how it does when you're using the gun (it's not permanent and doesn't stack)

[languid spoke]

and if you get caught in a spot where you can’t get behind her before (say) the shotgun blasts, use the pillars

[merry gulch]

My pillars tend to end up destroyed pretty fast, honestly. ^^;

[spare kite]

If you stay away far away from her during the sniper is easy to iframe it instead of sacrificing a pillar

[sage flame]

yeah even at mid distances the projectile is slow enough to just sprint in one direction to dodge it

[cold raven]

You say heat rush, but my preferred way to hard counter Eris is actually Demeter's gust (preferably Artic Gale since that boon doesn't actually take up your cast slot, allowing you to grab another god's cast boon along side it to activate Origination with just a single cast)

Eris turns around even slower and when she does shoot, the projectiles are slowed

It actually becomes baby mode unless you stack frenzy 2 lol. Even when you do take frenzy vow, Gust effectively knocks her down a frenzy level with the slow (but by the time you're worried about stuff like frenzy vow, you'll probably be experienced enough at fighting her to just do whatever)

[tall notch]

For prom, DPS rushing has unironically worked best for me so far 😭 idk what's the intended way to avoid his kicks and punches

[merry gulch]

Dodging him actually wasn't that bad, but when he has those sweeping fire attacks during his phase changes, my brain can't keep up. T^T

Like, I lost last time because his last sweep has at least four shots, and I couldn't remember the pattern when they fired.

[silent crow]

recite numbers in your head for the memory game

[merry gulch]

Demeter hates me, I think. I've been going entire runs without seeing her lately.

[cold raven]

In fact, Arctic Gale and Aphrodite's cast is like my staple go-to combo that simply works with every single weapon and aspect. It's a very "safe" and defensive 2 boon early to mid game combo that triggers Origination without any input from your weapon, pulls in mobs, weakens them, and slows them. You're free to basically just wail on them until you start getting your heavy hitter boons

And neither of them care too much about your poms or rarity, so you can save your rarifies and poms for the heavy hitting stuff

[woven niche]

yo! heoric sword ring (ares cast) to replace my epic zeus cast, or just take his rare stabbing rush since i have nothing in my dash slot?

xinith, blitz attack, demeter special, zeus cast, and nothing on dash/magic

the ares cast says it'll do 170 dmg

the zeus one says 30 dmg every 0.35 seconds. overall, what's higher then? how many itmes does zeus prock?

[silent crow]

take stabbing rush

[woven niche]

hmm, why? isn't zeus the craziest cast ingame?

ares would be cool if hermes gave me the quicker cast boon, so i can spam the one high damage blade on ares cast

[silent crow]

normal casts last 3 seconds so ares cast here is 56 dps, zeus is ~90 dps

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=Koho9pGZ5ggS_yJc for his normal combos, for the memory game I just dash through ot

[woven niche]

oh you're telling me to get zeus cast, mb

[silent crow]

and you dont have any gods that open the duos for ares blade boons

[woven niche]

i also have the option to get cut above but i think with the way i'm attacking the dash is going to be perfect. thanks!

[cold raven]

That being heph and apollo. If you're commited to the blade, you want those 2 gods in your roster as well

[woven niche]

i just beat typhon for the first time, i'm gonna learn about the duo boons now. they've been popping up randomly, and i think it's time to actually learn everything

(jesus it feels godlike to beat typhon)

[tall notch]

In your head? I read them out loud to make sure they stay in my memory

Had my mum wondering what am I actually doing when I start saying random numbers lmao

[cold raven]

^

"1, 3, 3, 2, 2"

[spare kite]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/IIpILiL7r1

[woven niche]

this is awesome, game is SO fun. i remember the learning curve on the first hades for the duo boons and stuff, once i just knew how every boon worked and interacted with every other boon/hammer it was like i was literally IN the universe

[woven niche]

i used to take a piece of paper and draw a grid on it with three rows, and colour in boxes for the second round 😭

[spare kite]

I used to record the patterns lmfao

Iframing it is just easier on my brain now

[silent crow]

i try to remember it but i have the timings memorized just in case

[woven niche]

you can really tell that both you and the character have gotten so much more skilled than before, and they've perfected that feeling for both games - i havent gone downstairs for a LONG time, i've been spamming olympus to try and beat typhon for so long, and now that i've finally done it, erebus was literally a SLAUGHTER and everything is just so much easier, because both me and mel are just better at the game (just like me and zag were after beating hades a bunch of times on 30-40 heat)

[tall notch]

Wait what? So would you pause, open the recording up and watch it on another screen while you are dodging?

[spare kite]

Even worse, record > pause > open vid > unpause and move to next spot > swap to vid > repeat

(only for the 2nd game fwiw, x3 is fine)

[tall notch]

LMAO. Absolutely deranged behaviour, reminds me of pencil meta for those who remember the patch 1-2 days

[spare kite]

Anything to fight against adhd 😭

I discovered how easy it was to dash it cuz I was bored of that

"if we can iframe Chronos instakills surely this works"

[glossy rivet]

yooo incandescent aura is cracked with nyx coat? maybe dash riser as well

does nightspawn trigger hestia gain?

[spare kite]

I don't think it works if you hit multiple enemies in general

also remember nightspawn doesn't hit what you are hitting

[junior trail]

that tactic doesnt work with any fight that has only one foe tho, at least mirrored/cardio is consistent with incandescent
and yeah nightspawn triggers cardio

[versed swan]

Which skull aspect is better?

[elfin forge]

for what?

To win? Use Medea. For traditional skull gameplay? Use Mel.

[versed swan]

So Persephone is bad? There goes 6 fear wasted

[magic moss]

persephone is fine

its not bad in any way, just requires a different playstyle

[elfin forge]

persephone is weird

[versed swan]

Might max the three skulls then

[fair horizon]

with persephone you don't want to focus too much on its gimmick

it gives you nice extra dmg to your omegas so you can spam omega-moves (but mostly use the omega-special for safety or for spreading curses like Hitch)

[versed swan]

Its something i do with all the proyectile specials

[wise idol]

The specials can sometimes

[night lagoon]

It has 5, I recommend focusing on the safe lanes rather than the danger

[merry gulch]

Thank you!

[elfin forge]

I just say the safe spots out loud to myself, and a lot of ther players do as well

[wet grove]

chatbox what's the ideal attack boon for Selune aspect coat with the attack boon hex benefit

[willow phoenix]

Zeus and Hera probably best then Poseidon and Ares

It doesn't give any % damage boost, it only triggers effects like curses.

If Hestia attack has higher scorch damage it'd be good on it I suppose

[fair horizon]

Hmm, cut above is very effective on torches omega-special. Spreading the loveblade.

[formal pulsar]

For Prometheus you don’t really remember five numbers only four is you position yourself initially in a safe zone. So he flies away and start doing the lines, go to a safe zone and remember the next four lanes and you will be good. It is a small thing but 4 are easier to remember than 5

[slate trench]

the easiest way is honestly to just lurk down in the furthest point from the flames and just dash through the edge of the flame into them when they come, you don't have to remember anything lol

[main beacon]

wow first time getting freeze shatter duo boon and it works on bosses

actually a truly epic interaction with a cool demeter voice line to boot

[spare kite]

It makes eris a lot faster which is funny

It skips her hail mary

(also is her legendary, not a duo)

[main beacon]

right, sorry, legendary

thats funny i got it after eris before prometheus i need to try that out

[sage flame]

it's super cool on typhon cause he has that weird pause when you kill him and you get to clearly see the scythe and hear her line and nothing else on the dark screen

[covert mortar]

Does taking aphro special/attack lock you out of the other attack/special boons that apply curses? If I'm planning on an aphro build should I just never take origination?

[magic moss]

taking any attack or special locks the other attack/specials out. you can still use origination as aphro's cast, dash, and gain all apply a curse so something like passion rush + arctic ring still is a very easy way to apply origination with aphro atk/special

[cold raven]

Rapture ring with arctic gale is a one button combo that applies origination. Arctic gale is a supplementary boon for casts that doesn't actually take up the cast slot. But instead of freeze, it applies the gust curse. That frees you up to use stuff like apollo/aphrodite atk/special or zeus/poseidon/ares dash if you really wanted to...or any of hephaestus stuff

[plush vapor]

been stuck at 32 fear surface for quite a while, should i take off debt & -40% healing for onion?

[uneven palm]

That’s reasonable IMO you can buy a ton of stuff from Hermes to make up for the onion.

[plush vapor]

yeah thanks gonna try it for a bit

[pearl cedar]

debt is a killer on the surface. Need to buy those extra boons.

Healing is more debateable.

Onion really slows down your build.

[plush vapor]

yeah true but idk what else id put up

and u get quite a few boons in ephyra anyway

[safe scaffold]

Onion isn't that bad on the Surface because of Ephyra

Its honestly really free

Thessaly is where you feel it the most

[plush vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262030734558756986/1361452219831943298/image.png?ex=67feceaf&is=67fd7d2f&hm=e4cd271d18c5f63aee8c1062fa1b780d25cffcb3bfdaa95fda2406c08a5ff938& running this atm

[plush vapor]

yeah even without onion i sometimes havent gotten a boon for like 5 encounters or smth

[silent crow]

max scars is rough but this is a decent setup

[safe scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299849857758003312/1361452761283035308/Screenshot_2025-04-14_at_2.27.02_PM.png?ex=67fecf30&is=67fd7db0&hm=6e5ec4e8a09d247d2b85a12992d97936b3d7e52a09895f4ac9c8663dfa5946a7&

This is my set up for 32 on the surface

[plush vapor]

nah its 1 scars

[plush vapor]

exact same as this

[covert mortar]

Can you only apply gust or freeze? I got artic gale and artic ring but I don't see the origination debuff on anything when I use my cast/omega cast

[cold raven]

needs to be 2 curses from 2 different gods

[covert mortar]

ah crap I got baited and messed that up then

[cold raven]

And aphrodite's cast is probably the 2nd best cast that applies a curse, outside of arctic ring imo

[plush vapor]

aphrodites gain is very good for applying curse if u have a magickless build

[covert mortar]

yeah I was hoping to get aphro or hera's this run but I got both of dem's and thought it'd be an easy way to apply origination oops

[thin ridge]

Since when is gust a curse

Isn’t it just like a blade rift

[covert mortar]

the tool tip calls it a curse

[fair horizon]

since release of early access, it used to activate Origination with freeze too

[cold raven]

Slows enemies by 20% and projectiles by 60%, whereas freeze is a full stun with a cooldown

The 20% slow effectively knocks down Frenzy vow by 1 level I think

[fair horizon]

I'm more and more noticing that Freeze is implemented by slowing enemies down a big amount (but not really freezing them), even when some of the frozen enemies look actually frozen.

At least a good number of enemies behave more slowed down (especially during their attack wind up) than actually frozen.

[cold raven]

So you're saying freeze might just be something like a 1000% slow

Like they don't fully stop and still slowly inches forward in their animations

[fair horizon]

Yeah, at least a good number of enemies seem to behave like this (at least during their attack animation). Still some enemies are less affected like Wretched Thugs for example.

[sage flame]

yeah some stronger enemies have slow resistance, so that tracks

[cold raven]

For my surface 32, I ran pain 2, since I was running demeter in my god pool and I was banking on frosty veneer to basically cut down the sting. That was my underworld vow setup, but it's identical when I ran surface 32 the night before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1360754481863856218/32underworld2.png?ex=67fe3f1e&is=67fced9e&hm=740ec2a9134cd541a86eb9856f6da942ca84ea3cf261660d0cef1d2aaf3c21a8&

Yes I did time 3 surface, no it was not easy at first lol

[plush vapor]

yeah i tried time 3 but i was just losing to time too much

[cold raven]

Grit 1 and shadow were the unpinned vows iirc

Ideally on time 3 surface, you would minimize your "vows that make fights take longer", but I was on moros torches so I knew dps would not be an issue

Even so, time 3 will likely require you to skip optional rooms in ephyra and avoid going out of your way for vases/gathering materials (so you might miss out on stuff like coins, elements, max magick, max hp, and maybe even a hermes shrine). If you're running artificer, this also means you won't be able to use those rerolls until thessaly

If you get heracles, artemis, or medea though, you might have enough time to do some optional stuff

Speaking of artificer, that's one way to try to mitigate the sting of forfeit vow during thessaly. I didnt run forfeit in my case, but I probably could have

[rich belfry]

so whats the best 16 fear setup

first time going this high

[sage flame]

how are you with frenzy (faster enemies)? if you are able to learn and do frenzy 2 its a really good source of 6 fear, id recommend a mix of hubris, debt, scars, timer, and denial if you think about what boons get denied

[rich belfry]

doing fine with frenzy thank god

[sage flame]

grit is okay too imo

[rich belfry]

damn im scared for real its harsh

[fair horizon]

frenzy, fangs, menace, a bit of pain/scars, return, and time (at least the first two levels)

[sage flame]

oooh yeah menace is almost free, fangs is p choll now too yea

[fair horizon]

all good to get used to, and most kinda painless if you do

[sage flame]

i havent seen a stunner fangs in a while so maybe im just lucky

[rich belfry]

ty guys . ima do it now and try it

[cold raven]

Lol in my opinion, underworld with timer 3 is actually free. I literally get lost in mourning fields, take optional fights there, grab gathering materials throughout the run, and still have enough time to clear

I wouldnt do those things in a 32 fear run, but during my climb up some of the testaments, that's what I did

[fair horizon]

except for erebus, time3 (combined with other vows) is easy/easier in the underworld yeah

[cold raven]

Even in my 32 fear run, I took 2 optional tartarus rooms with timer 3 lmao

[fair horizon]

i've noticed though that ephyra is easier than erebus for time3, poly is a chump in comparison to our dear headmistress (in part thanks to all the boons in the city)

[cold raven]

Timer 3 erebus is only funny if you get sheeped during hecate fight lol

[rich belfry]

man how the hell can we clear a whole region in 5 min

dang really

[cold raven]

practice, avoid optional stuff, take rooms that dont advance the timer/have no enemies

[fair horizon]

you try it and you find you actually can, or fail but you were close enough so you think of ways to improve

nothing risked nothing gained

[cold raven]

Keep in mind, any time you saved in 1 region gets carried over. So if you speedran erebus, you might have enough time to do some optional stuff later in mourning fields or tartarus

So for practicing, the most important region to practice getting fast is probably the very first region. You can kinda wing it in later regions depending on your build and your pacing

Another thing to keep in mind is that the amount of dps needed to clear underworld fights/bosses is quite a bit lower than surface. You can get away with an unoptimized build, so learn when to make sacrifices in your build in favor of pacing. That 1 boon that you skipped in favor of window browsing Charon's shop with 0 coins might be a boon that doesnt really make a difference in the grand scheme of things. The time saved can be a difference though

[languid spoke]

take it with a grain of salt since i’ve only done up to 7 minute timer. i’m working my way up to 5 and most of my runs i’m finishing regions in under 5.

learn when the timer is running and not. like in ephyra , looking at the bat cages stops the timer. notice when watching streamers, whenever door choices come up they seem to instinctively pause. make use of pause to make decisions like that. skip gathering unless you absolutely need it (such as fishing to get water infusion).

[uneven palm]

The best way to manage timer 3 is get a high-DPS build online—especially on the Surface since you can get a ton of stuff in Ephyra—and then things don't live long and the timer isn't an issue

also don't take, like, Hordes

[dreamy thicket]

What's the tech for the coat where you can shoot specials as you attack? Is it some kind of Auto-Fire interaction?

[wise idol]

No you kinda just hit both buttons

[uneven palm]

Attacks cancel the special end animation is what people are generally referring to. You can also do some autofire shenanigans but those change with distance and magick

[thin ridge]

Time 2, menace 2, hubris 1 unless it’s a heavy magick build, scars 1-2, return 1, frenzy 1

Idk if that’s 16 tho

[toxic marsh]

hey guys, i dont frequent this server at all. i am curious to know if im the only one who misses how dodge used to be in first patch

[vagrant kernel]

I’m hoping to try to beat typhon with the aspect of melinoe moonstone axe. Does anyone have any build recommendations?

[void idol]

aphro attack, hitch or freeze cast, zeus special , static shock, preferably master conductor, and get heph for defense if you can

good hammers are seething marauder, dashing heave which basically grants you a win without any work, colossus slash is okish, never take hell splitter

it's also a bad idea to let the third attack in your combo happen

a good attack string is dash attack, then attack attack special to cancel the combo

smolder ring is fine for damage and orgination but i hate hestias other boons except flash fry so make of that what you will

[manic mantle]

I need help with the surface. I am good with the axe aspect of charon, but i don't know what build to go with.

anyone can reccomend a good build?

*recommend

@everyone

@everyone I need help with the surface. I am good with the axe aspect of Charon, but I don't know what build to go with.
anyone can recommend a good build?

[uneven palm]

The main build for Charon is Apollo’s gain, any combination of special/cast/gusts that gets you two curses for Origination. Some other things to chase are Local Climate from Demeter and Geyser Spout from Poseidon. Giga Cleaver and Sudden Cleaver are the good hammers.

Slightly longer version: #h2-builds-and-combat message

[fair horizon]

hey, now I'm having doubts: does blackened fleece effect remains after switching to different keepsake?

[junior trail]

no

[fair horizon]

that's what I thought, thanks for verifying

[obsidian narwhal]

Does anyone know if there's a place that documents what fine tuning from hephaestus (legendary) does for each aspect at max rank?

[marsh condor]

Does anyone else have trouble making good builds with Xinth? It seems really underpowered to me - its attacks just don’t do that much damage and it’s Charged Attacks just feel kinda clunky in comparison to other weapons. I’ve have moderate success using Hestia or Poseidon boons with it but that’s about it.

[obsidian narwhal]

I've enjoyed using aphro attack for xinth, and trying to chunk with origination

[spare kite]

Exhaust riser + pos attack

Something like blitz + shimmering rockets also can work

Selene can be fun for wacking stuff with the O.atk

[marsh condor]

Interesting, interesting

Full disclosure, I’ve been banging my head against a wall trying to beat Difficulty 32 Surface for a while now lol. All the builds I’ve made are strong but haven’t gotten past Prometheus.

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1352110358340309012/2029001.JPG?ex=67ffc226&is=67fe70a6&hm=7c2048763e91ff1a219668bb38f0a43e5b3d1f6a66a5bb8f0f5c2c02a7aeb384& this is what I got

Can prob just romantic spark through it too

[marsh condor]

Romantic Spark, interesting

Never really thought of using that one

The weapon aspects I tend to use are Melinoë for the staff and coat, Thanatos for the axe, Moros for torches, and Persephone for the skull

I rarely play with blades but when I do I’m generally okay with all three aspects

[pearl cedar]

Could be a vow problem instead of a build problem. Avoid grit at all costs

[sick tide]

Why is Selene especially good for O. Attacks? Because it charges up the hex?

[fair horizon]

honestly only care about selene's o-attack if I get like Arachne's lavender dress, that is, if I get a ridiculous channel speed up

otherwise coat o-attack is simply in need of a rework or better hammers

[spare kite]

Just cuz of the extra +50% from shrine

[spare kite]

Channel speed doesn't work correctly with it iirc

[spare kite]

Oh yeah also night arcana

[fair horizon]

what do you mean? it does if you get Revelation/Lavender Dress your o-attack channels super fast

[junior trail]

it works now

[spare kite]

Oh nvm lol

Also O.atk kinda stinky for hex charge anyways

Easier if you get one of the cost increases boons and spam O special

[willow phoenix]

Personally I prefer alternating between o spec and o cast with selene, since I don't really like the o attack and sometimes the dash with it can be buggy

[plush vapor]

reached the summit for the 1st time on 32 fear

[spare kite]

You got this

[plush vapor]

just took 10 bajillion dmg to spawn of typhon not good

it was fine after i defeated the clone thingy but aa

[plush vapor]

got so close to killing typhon but died

time to try another 30+ times

[sick tide]

Good to know, thanks! I feel like I always just spam O. Special with the coat, so I should switch it up more

[spare kite]

Fwiw O.atk is more fun than actually good

My 32f selene just clicked shimmering rockets and blitz lol

[sick tide]

LOL fair

[atomic ibex]

When is it worth it to run Excellence? Just when doing Heph runs?

[wise idol]

It’s never the best use of 5 grasp imo

[magic moss]

if you can get 15+ boons in a run

[languid spoke]

how exactly does selene dark side work? it seems like the attack and special are their own things and take nothing from any boons you have. is that accurate?

[spare kite]

correct, they have path of stars nodes where they take in properties of your attack/special/cast boon respectively

[languid spoke]

ahh kk. i may have to do some hex specific runs just to try them out. i forget how they work. dark side just always kind of seems a step down

though the invulnerability is a bonus

[spare kite]

it is, most people that I see take it just do it for the impervious

[stable herald]

the Dark Side special is kinda cool as an AoE but yeah you take Dark Side for the invincibility, not the moves

also correct me if I'm wrong, but all the "Hex inherits attack/special boons" don't actually receive any bonus damage, just the bonus effects right? so if it inherited Hera's attack it would inflict Hitch but wouldn't deal +whatever% damage. And other boons like Zeus or Hestia work because all their bonus damage is in the bonus effect?

[cursive oyster]

yep!

[vernal moat]

any suggestions on good arcana setups for medea skull? tryna learn the speedrun build