h2-builds-and-combat

[cerulean panther]

Love Handles just spawns a Heartthrob, it doesn't affect or buff Heph's clangs themselves, though.

[civic ocean]

Yeah and Demeter makes the clangs refreeze

But doesn’t buff the clangs

[silent crow]

hestia apollo and aprhodite

[civic ocean]

And while they don’t have a duo, Hera’s Bridal Glow, Extended Family and Ares’ Rallying Cry, Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction also are fairly sizeable improvements on the clangs

[cerulean panther]

Bridal Glow hitting the perfect boon is a high that I don't think any earthly substance can match.

"Man, my main damage boon is just Rare." Hera: "Please allow me to introduce myself."

[dreamy thicket]

Does Artemis only show up in Ephyra in Max Magick and Max Health chambers?

[silent crow]

yes

[civic ocean]

Artemis doesn’t show up regardless of biome in any room in which the door is something with a menu. Not hex, not hammer, not gods

[spare kite]

(and poms)

[willow phoenix]

Apollo backstab is insanely good with blast too

You can hit really high blast numbers

[civic ocean]

Yeah it’s weird that the blasts can backstab but that is true

[willow phoenix]

The way blast appears make it so that you don't need to aim it but it will still backstab anyway too

[analog quail]

wait how do blast backstabs work

[uneven palm]

Get Dazzling Display from Apollo, and blasts appear behind enemies generally and get backstab bonus damage. Not clear if it’s intended but it’s been like that for a few patches

[viscid wave]

Alternatively, Narcissus, Nicholas Cage-ing his way to you all the way from Oceanus when you common to heroic rarify a boon with his phial: "oh yeah I just totally made your whole life so much better in a second, huh Laurel. I mean, what, like it's supposed to be hard?"

[cerulean panther]

1. Narcissus would quote Legally Blonde.

2. Oceanus is the funniest section of anything SGG has made so far.

[karmic vault]

Does Success Rate work with Marked from Death Warrant?

[uneven palm]

Not sure but if it does there will be a tooltip if you select the boon saying so

[cursive oyster]

it does even if it doesn’t show

success rate applies to crit chance as a whole iirc not individual boons

[magic moss]

Prometheus Foresight Mechanic

To test the foresight mechanic, a couple of things were done.

1. Pony Menu was installed to give myself Frosty Veneer along with a ton of HP and Mana along with a skip to Prometheus
2. The code inside the file "EnemyData_Prometheus" was changed as follows
   DefaultAIData =
   {
   --DashIfOverDistance = 800,
   --DashWeapon = "PrometheusJump",
   ForesightCooldown = 16.0 --> 0.5,
   ForesightChance = 0.4 --> 1.00,
   },
   What I assume is Foresight cooldown is 16 seconds on base with a 40% chance to activate. Changing the values to these reduces the cooldown to 0.5 seconds and has a 100% proc chance. Again, this is what I assume after testing.

Findings from Testing

Any Omega move that would have hit Prometheus when he is in an idle/non attacking state will proc the foresight. This is consistent among different aspects (Tested were Blades and Flames Specials). I also tested with Possessed Array, but the findings were inconclusive since after the first dodge, I could not get him to do another foresight no matter his animation state.

The distance between you and Prometheus when the Omega move hits is irrelevant.

The delay between dodges and why it appears like it is inconsistent is most likely due to an internal cooldown on Foresight due to animations lengths.

Attached are videos for proof. This testing was done with FMOptimist, BismuthCromweld, and Boated watching me test.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1355758494502096987/Prometheus_Foresight_Blades_Test.mp4?ex=67ea17fd&is=67e8c67d&hm=1b0a9ad5a6c2b2787f0d66c4e6a88448f981bc90a7861ffae55099ed544d0fd9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1355758497098371072/Prometheus_Foresight_Torches_Test.mp4?ex=67ea17fe&is=67e8c67e&hm=5c6933ebffbe3d653895e0605762f95369354de4af2dc05301b292efd2b17dc7&

@uneven palm @bleak night

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1355761815283437568/Prometheus_Foresight_Medea_Test.mp4?ex=67ea1b15&is=67e8c995&hm=e8659f5e8e3e50d774c040a11c810677ca37c2aaf0b5d0f70f19c0096ffbbb14&

[formal pulsar]

Okay I am probably dumb but what’s the takeaway here? How does this change how I smash my buttons? Don’t omega while he is idle?

[magic moss]

the takeaway is a mechanic of a boss has been largely understood, even if it doesnt mean much to your runs, its still another aspect of the boss fight

its really impactful for speedrunning on mana heavy aspects like Moros, and the Foresight can be frustrating. Charon also can be impacted on high fear

[willow phoenix]

So it's less foresight and more Prom staring at Mel channeling and dodging the move lol

[sage flame]

it's only every 16 seconds too it's not all the time yeah

[magic moss]

im ngl i have no idea what 16 even means, it could be seconds or it could be some arbitrary unit of time that the game measures as. the 16 has no units, im just making an educated guess

[sage flame]

oh lmao

did u test 100% dodge chance but kept 16 at 16 or like something easy to measure like 10 or 5 or something

[magic moss]

would be far too inconsistent because then the timing overlaps with attack animations

[sage flame]

just make his attack cooldown 1 gabillion

[magic moss]

i mean i could ig

but the main intention was just to understand the mechanic and how it procs

[ashen timber]

Does moros keepsake invalidate strength?

[sage flame]

yuh

[ashen timber]

Dang... That would be a fun combo for survival without actual DDs

[sage flame]

it used to be indeed

[formal pulsar]

But currently it is bugged and you still get strength damage with the keepsake but not the damage reduction

[forest hinge]

Just so we're all clear, are Heph's Blast builds primarily a Charon exclusive build? if not, what other aspects?

[magic moss]

charon blast builds are more of a meme build than anything, not the best build on any aspect

[forest hinge]

I've been respecting Blast as like tertiary dmg, but making an actual 'blast build' feels like a one in a million run most times

[lunar kiln]

axe (and esp charon axe) seems like maybe the worst weapon for heph blast, no? am i missing smth

[forest hinge]

also today i was reminded Heph's legendary increases the Aspect's rank, either doubling or tripling the usual effect of an extra rank, so im trying to think of builds that would actually benefit strongly from that and Charon w/Blast came to mind

[magic moss]

sorry, i didnt even mean charon blast builds, i meant blast builds in general lol

heph atk and special are just not good as a primary build

outside of meme runs

[junior trail]

heph blast build benefits from

• magicless (benefits from glamour (love handles/sunny))
• fast (to trigger chain reaction)
• melee (heartthrob range)
• attack spam wep (heroic volcanic strike lv. 4, and apollo's extra dose, which can also aim for rude awakening/back burner)

sth like mel blades would fit quite well

[forest hinge]

i assumed it would be best for aspect for Blast cus stuff like Pos/Heph O-cast duo, and you can detonate casts early with charon instead of waiting for it to expire(or relying on Hermes' winner's circle)

[junior trail]

Seismic hammer is gimmick-y at best, for heph blast build is better to use volcanic strike/flourish

[forest hinge]

according to the wiki, Backstab bonuses from stuff like Mel blades doesnt increase Blast/Back Burner's backstab dmg(this makes me so sad 😭 )

[junior trail]

yeah mel blades's backstab bonus is for weapon dmg only

[forest hinge]

was the 'attack spam wep' part just for applying Daze for rude awakening? or am i missing smth

[junior trail]

attack spam wep is for faster hits to trigger chain reaction and volcanic strike has the cheapest requirement to get the blast at 2 sec cooldown (heroic, pom to lv.4)

Apollo's extra dose is useful for triggering chain reaction, but it's not essential. His core abilities for a blast build are Solar Ring, Back Burner, Rude Awakening, and Sunny Disposition.

blast build needs like 4 duos to make it good (you can cut sunny/love handles but still)

[forest hinge]

how viable is hitting heroic volc strike at lv4? do you game and Hera's Bridal Glow, or do you take heph's relic along with Divinity arcana to rarify into heroic heph strike?

[junior trail]

if you play blast build, getting blast at 2 sec cooldown is pretty much the main point

yeah and narcissus keepsake helps as well

but for me i'd just use heph keepsake, and reroll until the first boon is epic volcanic strike, then rarify it to heroic

[forest hinge]

makes sense, also i've never thought to use Narcissus' relic, i never got around to leveling it lmao

so volc strike lv4 with solar ring combos with rude awakening, and thats the build i guess? sounds doable

or wait, u need hestia duo as well, i rescind all my confidence

[junior trail]

yeah pretty much, heartthrob stuff (sunny/love handle) is also pretty fun

heph/aphro/hestia/apol

[forest hinge]

that sounds like it takes a miracle lolol, i've only managed heph/aphro/apol, never a 4th

[junior trail]

but once the build clicks, its pretty fun

not high fear friendly tho, especially with denial/onion

[forest hinge]

if the main point of the build is getting Blast to 2 sec no matter what, then does the wep/aspect actually need to be fast at all? cus even the slowest of weapons can at least hit once every 2 secs for Chain Reaction right?

[junior trail]

2 sec gap is faster than you thought with blast slowdown effect

And if you play with Heartthrob, it will slow down even more. A fast weapon acts as a failsafe to consistently trigger Chain Reaction.

[forest hinge]

maybe its how late it is for but i didnt know what you meant by slowdown effect lmao. Do you mean the literal in-game slowdown effect from blast? So that time counts against Chain Reaction? because the Volc Strike recharges during/just after the slowdown effect, but because of said slowdown you're still stuck in the attack animation?

lmao im scatterbrained as hell trying to piece it together sorry!

[junior trail]

yeah blast makes your overall animation slower, heartthrob also makes it even slower

you can barely move at all when both hit at the same time

but the chain reaction 2 sec window isnt affected by slowdown effect

[forest hinge]

ahhhh. in ur experience how well do ur blast runs go?

[junior trail]

really well when the build clicks, otherwise not so much, it needs lots of boons and investment

thats why heph blast is meme build, its really strong, but its not good from the get go like hera/zeus stuff

[forest hinge]

yeah, i've gotten it like 3 times and each time it feels like im stitching together an abomination of a build

also is there a specific reason why Zeus/Hera pair well together, like O move overlap with like Fine Line and Arc Flash or smth?

[junior trail]

still though, heph blast is really fun, you should give it a try

[forest hinge]

why does Zeus' Arc Flash not work with his Aphro duo Romantic Spark? Arc Flash says that Omoves insta pop Blitz, and that Romantic Spark insta pops Blitz on Sprint. couldnt you double dip the blitz dmg with Nyx Coat's Omega Sprint? or am i misundering why Arc Flash/Rom Spark dont stack?

[junior trail]

romantic spark used to be stackable with toasting fork and they don't want it to happen

arc flash and romantic work independently now

[forest hinge]

isnt toasting fork an outdated boon now?

[junior trail]

yeah its replaced with arc flash now, lot easier to use and fix the romantic dmg stack bug at the same time

toasting fork effect is now innate with blitz, dealing dmg when expire after 3 sec

[forest hinge]

so was the bug that toast fork(now arc flash) was somehow stacking with rom spark? and now they dont?

[junior trail]

yup

you either go for arc flash or romantic

[forest hinge]

so would Nyx's O-sprint be not be able to trigger both at once? (idk why im fixated on this lmao)

also I have stopped playing for like the past hour cause ive been browsing the wiki thinking about these damn builds

@junior trail do u rec any of the Blades for blast builds? or just mel blades?

[junior trail]

no, omega sprint also isnt linked to attack/special boon

[junior trail]

artemis also good, parry and crit are handy (riposte only affects weapon dmg btw)

[somber thistle]

how is the game so far? is it matured enough or should I wait for v 1.0

[junior trail]

id say for gameplay aspect is pretty much done now (except for hidden aspects, extreme measures, and ironing some bugs here and there), but if you're in for story & relationship stuff, better wait for 1.0

[somber thistle]

I had it on day one and have less than 30 minutes on it

thanks tho

I might wait for the 1.0

[junior trail]

[forest hinge]

the resets for hero volc strike are already taking their toll on me @junior trail

[junior trail]

phial is also da wey

[forest hinge]

so Heph Shard take volc strike at epic, swap to phial(which i need to rank up) which should hit volc strike?

also i assume you'd try to minimize or just not take any other epic boons to make sure phial hits heph strike?(i assume it works like Circe relic)

[junior trail]

bridal glow (rng), blast counts as olympian dmg on extended family btw

[forest hinge]

do you normally grab bridal glow? or is that just another option

[junior trail]

for consistency i prefer divinity/heph keepsake and reset

slog ik

[junior trail]

phial works with common boon btw, so its still rng dependent if you have more than one common boon

[forest hinge]

ohhh it prio bringing smth up from epic to heroic, it can take anything from common to heroic. i see...

[junior trail]

Nope, only common rarity

[forest hinge]

oh. couldnt you make it so volc strike is the only common boon available then? (i certainly seem to be landing common volc strikes often enough lmao)

also which route has more encounters? i need to level up my phial

[junior trail]

Yeah phial+common boon is the way to go

[forest hinge]

so im think: Heph Shard to start, grab common Volc Strike and level it up. Area 2 swap to Phial, and then just don't take any other common boons??? profit???

[junior trail]

quite hard to avoid getting any other boons in area 1 tho lol

[forest hinge]

not avoid them entirely, just making sure to take anything thats not Common at least, and Excellence/Divinity help with that

[vocal heath]

Is scars reducing the healing from fountains twice or something?

I feel like it's far more than a 25% cut from my experience

[glossy rivet]

does ares Cut Above work good with torch omegas? or is it held back by internal cooldown

[vocal heath]

It is held back by the internal cooldown, but getting the heph duo "removes" that

if the blades fall instantly, then the next can be applied. The other issue is going to be the +5 cost, but I regularly run fine line builds with torches and that's +15

[indigo viper]

Did they change staff's special attack animation? It doesn't seems so smooth like before and there's a longer animation gap between each fires.

[vocal heath]

Yeah it got changed

[glossy rivet]

does heph's infusion only apply to non omega strikes?

[bleak night]

yes

[glossy rivet]

doesnt sound all that strong except maybe for high fear builds with no mana

hestia's infusion sounds better

[bleak night]

It's just a nice lil addition since Demeter and Heph are great to build together

earth will stack up really quick

[silent crow]

its held back by icd but its still really strong

[glossy forge]

Zeus provides excellent boss damage. Hera provides excellent room clearing, and she shares the high Zeus damage to all the enemies in a room. Together, they provide Origination. At high Fear UW, these two on the attack/special are generally most of the dps you need to win a run.

[uneven palm]

If you’re in Ephyra the fountains are pretty weak there to start

Probably because you can get like 2 in quick succession

[vocal heath]

maybe yeah

[cinder palm]

Okay 250+% blood drop is actually unplayable

One dash and I zoom across the whole arena lmao this is uncontrollable

[rare sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847177004645613638/1355923909727486012/Screenshot_2025-03-30-09-17-01-81_b72a20be883aec8a014bd2b7c7038e87.jpg?ex=67eab20b&is=67e9608b&hm=8a1dd0963e6e447544b9fa5835c721954c9daafaebef81a7ec26768ca8fa2c99&

what u think of this? so far ive only encounter 3 people who said they prefer hades' weapons

[balmy trout]

woah when the hell did we got such background art?

I swear I aint see nun!

[spare kite]

If they are speaking about torches like that I just ignore them

[safe scaffold]

People STILL complaining about the Torches when the Coat is right there is crazy

[spare kite]

To actually engage with the post? This game is a lot better on the base weapon feel

[safe scaffold]

And what short range are they talking about? I don’t have a lot of experience with the weapon but I feel like it goes pretty far when I’m using Moros

[spare kite]

Staff is the only one I feel somewhat eh?

Calling the coat overpowered is lol lmao

[junior trail]

idk spear and fists kinda suck

[safe scaffold]

That’s very true. Zag’s aspects were literally worthless, but Mel aspects actually have their place.

[safe scaffold]

I didn’t read that part I omg lmao

[spare kite]

Oh I meant it more like "do you need a hammer to truly enjoy this weapon"

[safe scaffold]

Ah that’s true too

Except the Coat lol

[spare kite]

Sword/spear/non zeus-beo shields felt miserable

[safe scaffold]

Which makes the post even funnier

[spare kite]

Yeah coat has that issue really defined lol

[cursive oyster]

torches have neither a short range or a slow attack what are they smoking

[spare kite]

Circe to some extent has that issue but that's circe

Which we all know it needs something already

[safe scaffold]

The spear without the flurry attack hammer felt so bad

[night lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/question-mark-ping-league-of-legends-mia-question-gif-23237489

[spare kite]

Torches and skulls are gonna be so funny if they keep getting buffs

[willow phoenix]

I just don't get how some people don't click with torches and skull lol

[glossy forge]

Aside from Eos, the coats are probably the worst speedrun and high fear aspects, this take is absolutely abysmal. And I like almost every single aspect in Hades 2 more than Hades 1. They're much less input-heavy and more about timing and precision.

[safe scaffold]

Skull in particular is weird because Medea

[glossy forge]

Skulls and coats are the exceptions

[willow phoenix]

And all the people saying coat is the strongest I think says a lot about how they play lol

[junior trail]

Torches has slow attack
literally the fastest wep for proc build

[cursive oyster]

the frustrating part of that is they barely explain what makes the weapons “bad” in the first place

[spare kite]

"me died to typhon, weapon bad"

[rare sleet]

yeah i thought this was like undeniable truth

[night lagoon]

Also the fastest mana spender for Righteous Pike builds

[willow phoenix]

Maybe a lot of people just mash buttons so coat supports that kind of playstyle the most ig lol

[rare sleet]

but then people saying "i get bored of this games' loop" when its so much more complex than hades' gets me thinking what could this game do worse than hades 1?

[magic moss]

mel coat is actually fine in high fear, if anything one of the easier ones. just slap on hera special and ac130 and focus on dodging

[spare kite]

UW too easy/surface too hard for them ig?

[rare sleet]

coat is cooollll. im on my first coat run and now i am a coat advocate

[spare kite]

Or they don't like the dash strike spam being gone

[spare kite]

It is undeniably cool! Is just also a "the more you play towards higher goals the more flaws it shows"

I'm sure it'll be a fine weapon to roll credits/epilogue/whatever

[safe scaffold]

See I loved it too when I first used it in October and I still love the weapon, but it’s too reliant on getting a single hammer (exhaust riser) imo

[rare sleet]

i only got the hammer that procs special on hits

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847177004645613638/1355927815572422806/image.png?ex=67eab5af&is=67e9642f&hm=ac9c06fca48b40ef73c08140be8c5154bec2445e4169ce47f974393576350ae8&

like i feel its on par with any other weapons ive tried, perhaps as i upgrade them this one falls behind?

[cursive oyster]

bouncy rockets + hera special is just ggs i think

[safe scaffold]

Launcher Frame is fun too

[glossy forge]

special spam works for all three coats and it's the easiest build fs, but it's terrible for speedrunning and imo the hardest setup among the aspects to win on high fear if you don't have shimmering rockets

[spare kite]

For low fear coat won't show its issues

[rare sleet]

perhaps thats just it

[spare kite]

Nothing will, really

[cursive oyster]

i think coat’s weak link right now is just the base attack doesn’t feel good to me

[rare sleet]

otherwise i just cant see how is hades 2's loop worse than hades'

[spare kite]

I wouldn't mind giving the normal atk some love

[safe scaffold]

To be fair you can do the dash spam pretty comfortably with stutter step and divine dash

[cursive oyster]

none of the base attack hammers are interesting (except exhaust riser but)

[rare sleet]

what keepsake do i picckk i only have haephastus, demeter and persephone as my gdods rn

[spare kite]

Which hammers it gets again, +power/+%/armor shred?

[safe scaffold]

Reaper Frame is +power and range. Melting Cross is armor shred

Siege frame is +percentage to attack and range

[spare kite]

Are both actually range

[willow phoenix]

The big issue with coat for me is that the attack, special, o special, and o attack don't really interact that well with each other without hammer and most of my coat runs usually just end up focusing on one of them

[safe scaffold]

Reaper Frame is "+10 power to attacks and deal damage in a larger area" and Siege Frame is "+30% to attack and they reach further ahead"

[rare sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847177004645613638/1355930072808423534/image.png?ex=67eab7c9&is=67e96649&hm=098a392e9007db68cb3712068bafca52e147acdaa1a171ed2ecceec84c07e2ba&
these all look greattt which is the worst?

(im pickig the worst because this is going to be an easy run, thus i can pick a better one on a harder run and fulfill the prophecy still)

[safe scaffold]

Since you have Launcher Frame, Rapid Frame and Shimmering Rockets wouldn't be bad picks

[silent crow]

counter barrage seems bad but ihavent used it that much

[willow phoenix]

Shimmering is one of the best for special focused build

[cursive oyster]

shimmering is the only good take here :)

[silent crow]

anyway we were talking about aspects here right

[rare sleet]

mels my fav because it looks rad

[rare sleet]

thankss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847177004645613638/1355931107081584732/image.png?ex=67eab8bf&is=67e9673f&hm=c5905fcda547c85f918a7e6c97275ce21da81637e5c3a402dea59113479431bd&
omg

[willow phoenix]

Huh I actually never got that hammer from echo lol

It's almost always just boons

[stable herald]

you need to get lucky and get the hammer in the second or third Fields room, and also be smart enough to pick hammer last of all the rewards in the room

[uneven palm]

I agree with this. I think the coat’s base kit is pretty good and lots of useful hammers. I find 50F underworld not too troublesome with it

[stable herald]

that includes the tiny rewards that aren't blocked by encounters. Echo will happily give you another +5 magick pot

[timber pawn]

I think like, base weapon/low build it's on par with other weapons but it's 'top end' is like miles below everything else

[glossy forge]

the UW doesn't require much damage in general though, on surface 50 the coats are probably the worst aspects bc they simply do not scale well (aside from aphro special, island getaway, shimmering rockets, +power)

I may be biased though because I lost a 50 selene run to typhon bc the rockets simply stopped applying blitz ;-;

[willow phoenix]

Honestly my dislike of coat is mostly just the buggy o attack, clunky special use, and it having pretty much the worst aspects of all the weapons

Nyx is still my bottom tier aspect personally. I guess it means it has a good enough base kit for people to do high fear runs completely ignoring the aspect and basically just playing lvl 1 mel coat lol

[rare sleet]

uuh did aphrodite never cheat on haephestus here? they seem to get along well

omg got him again in a rowww on my first time with the coat!!1

[willow phoenix]

They do get along well, but it is mentioned that Aphro does get lonely with how busy Heph is

The cheating part with Ares hasn't been addressed so I guess that will be a storyline in the future. There's no dialogue confirmation as of yet

[rare sleet]

i only wanted flowers from oceanus lol

[rare sleet]

omgg i thought aphrodite was already with ares because of some dialogues of hades'

will progress be reset on launch?

[willow phoenix]

Yea but there's no actual confirmation that she actually did cheat or just flirting because Aphro flirts with everyone lol

[willow phoenix]

No ideally the save file would still work for 1.0

[rare sleet]

cool

[willow phoenix]

That's how it went with H1 EA, but there's no guarantee

[rare sleet]

oh yeah that makes sense. i just assumed since they are together in greek mythology. Though she doesn't seem to be with haephestus either?

[willow phoenix]

No she does have dialogues confirming that they're married and that they still share a bond

[glossy forge]

no their relationship is so cute, if you pick her over him in a trial hephaestus is like "ah, i understand, I'd pick her too"

[rare sleet]

omgg ok i hope they stayyy

[willow phoenix]

Heph is happy that Mel is keeping Aphro company because he knows she gets lonely

I do have a feeling we'll be exploring that and the Ares part later

[rare sleet]

noooooooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847177004645613638/1355939740372963449/image.png?ex=67eac0ca&is=67e96f4a&hm=79f0c415aaf06c3e71118d0275675d8acdd837f552e8f0dfd6177d686f4ad109&
are these dead children?!

OMG THEY FOLLOW MEL

[fair horizon]

Sheeps or little animals, notice in the fight with Polyphemus when the black sheep explode (and in Ephyra in general). Might still be children I guess.

[rotund nacelle]

You can get it more consistently running Vow of Forfeit. Room 2 is often a miniboss with Echo in room 3. If you can roll a hammer and no boons in room 1, pick up the hammer last (including the optional pickups), then the mini boss rewards gets onioned, and Echo will offer a Hammer from RewardRewardReward. It's not guaranteed, but it happens often enough that it can be worth setting up if you're running Forfeit

[crimson glacier]

I saw Haelian show how he glides his thumb across the controller to load and detonate almost simultaneously. Makes sense, takes some practice to pull off. But it feels like the aspect should be flexible enough that loading multiple skulls is also viable. Like, you can load multiple skulls, but it's objectively better to do the load/detonate in quick succession one skull at a time. It makes the aspect less fun to use because you're practically locked into doing the same button inputs the entire run.

[uneven palm]

I’m team load 2 skulls Medea these days. Since they sped up the loading animation it’s barely any longer

[bleak night]

I think people should just move dash to shoulder on controller asap ngl

makes it so you don't need to learn any of these techs if you use your right thumb

I personally don't use my right thumb on controller at all, so it's made my movement and timings a whole lot better

[silent crow]

mynt you're kind of a year late

[bleak night]

wdym

[silent crow]

have you had dash on face buttons this whole time ?!

[bleak night]

someone just mentioned the whole sliding thumb across controller thing just now

[bleak night]

Yeah, but it fits my playstyle more since I use three fingers on my right hand

[silent crow]

ah i guess thats fair

[uneven palm]

I know i should move dash/cast to triggers but im in too deep now. I usually have attack or special on a trigger

[silent crow]

the games default control scheme is terrible imo and makes it hard to learn how to play properly

[bleak night]

if I moved to playing with fightstick for Hades II, there would literally be no difference in my level of play ngl

I am using the same position with my hands if I did

[timber pawn]

I used to do the thumb slide for medea, but I moved special to shoulder so now I do the thumb slide and also press the shoulder button, my 'old' special button is now interact lol

[magic moss]

i use my right index into my right middle

[bleak night]

I tried to do a Mysterra and my brain couldn't keep up

idk how that dude does what he does, his brain is just built different I think

[silent crow]

i got rhe mega man zero layout LB dash Y attack RB special

[bleak night]

nice

Mysterra's shtick btw is that dude just has a new button setup for almost every aspect in H1, and he remembers how he sets them

[silent crow]

based

[timber pawn]

that kind of blows my mind

[bleak night]

that way he can dissociate their playstyles from each other

[bleak night]

yeah, he's playing H2 rn as well, trying to get into it

I have no doubt in my mind that he'll play better than I do if he puts time into it

[timber pawn]

hasnt he already been clearing 50s pretty easily

[bleak night]

seeded trick knives tho

he doesn't like counting it or something

[silent crow]

thats for surface right?

[bleak night]

ye

dude learns really quickly, if you want his stream I can link you

because ngl you won't find it otherwise

[silent crow]

sure

[bleak night]

sent

[formal pulsar]

I moved my dash and cast to trigger button and now it never feels awkward to play any aspects imo it was such an improvement for me

But I have to ask how do people not use the right thumb at all?

[bleak night]

I'll be pushing some new builds to the test when I play again

the Chinese players have been giving me some new ideas that might change the way I build and play some aspects

[rotund nacelle]

The problem with that is in getting a good analog lever in the first place

[meager surge]

Is Athena keepsake still bugged?

[formal pulsar]

It does not on Olympus

[bleak night]

only in Olympus, but ye

in the other 7 regions, free take

[meager surge]

Oh rough, that was the only place I’ve tried it thanks though :)

[bleak night]

yeah, the natural spawnrate I think bugs the keepsake

[keen sleet]

has anyone gotten/used tough gain in combo with frosty veneer?

[bleak night]

Tough Gain is calc'd before Veneer so it only affects things that originally deal less than 20. Not the worst combo tho imo

[keen sleet]

ahh okayy

what about brave face and tough gain

[timber pawn]

Those do work very nicely together

[keen sleet]

might have to try it myself then

[stray pivot]

Though gain its really useful against Prometheus Fire

THough gain my bemloved

[north fog]

finally beat the surface

but i dont rlly like how the weapons play in h2 i liked them in h1

[last cape]

Tough gain in general is quite underrated imo

[stray pivot]

Yeah,,,,

[last cape]

I had a purple bridal glow hit it once and I felt invincible

[stray pivot]

ha

OH yeah i like THough Gain it makes me feel

[last cape]

I let eris shoot me during her last phase, just slow walked at her through the bullets for the intimidation

[stray pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[last cape]

So real

[stray pivot]

Prometheus fire turns into hestia legendary lmfao

[last cape]

Unrelated but I've been rewatching invincible and I remember thinking it was just okay back when season 1 came out. Me back then had no tastes, I've been binging it

[stray pivot]

I kinda dont like how they animate crying its VERY artificial even for an animated show but yeah

IM going to try White antler with heph and though gain in the last region hope i dont die heh

[rare sleet]

How is haephestus viewed in the meta?

[sage flame]

defense boons

[rare sleet]

I mostly just pick him whenever he appears, but his boons are like, not very specific? he adds big hit and thats it

[sage flame]

mint condition and trusty shield mostly

uncanny fortitude, heavy metal, that sorta thing

[spare kite]

Don't forget clang clang

[sage flame]

yeah anvil ring is good as a core, tough gain also good for non magick builds

[stable herald]

his attack/special/sprint boons are awful, they only become good if you rarify and pom the crap out of them to get the cooldown down. His cast is great though, especially with Winner's Circle, and yeah his defensive boons like Uncanny Fortitude, Trusty Shield, and Mint Condition are incredible

[rare sleet]

in the run i got with the cloak i got epic haephestus attack, picked it just becuase lol, i think i got it to trigger every 5 seconds? i mean it still feels like just such a random boon

[rare sleet]

what does this do?

[stable herald]

Anvil Ring clangs the cast area three times for big damage, Tough Gain gives you damage reduction and restores magick when you take a hit

[spare kite]

And winner's circle speeds up the cast channeling speed and how quick it disappears

[rare sleet]

and why is anvil ring good exactly? like, big damage? better than other casts?

[spare kite]

Is great cuz it condenses the dmg from heph into the shorter duration

[rare sleet]

oh ok ok

it combos the ebst out of all casts?

[sage flame]

with winners circle yuh

[polar chasm]

at the final summit shop and I only have switchable boons left - would sword ring remove the effects of seismic hammer?

I'm switching for the attack anyways but I'm curious for future runs

[fair horizon]

After the goodness of Ares' duos, so many other duos and their awkward/fastidious requirements make me sad. Hopefully sgg updates some of the other duo requirements like Seismic Hammer's (partially bugged) to be as nice as Ares' duo collection.

[polar chasm]

yeah it's hard to know what deactivates what :/

sadly I'm just going by trial and error or hoping that I find some info hidden in the discord

[willow phoenix]

It shouldn't, seismic hammer is tied to the omega

[polar chasm]

you're so right

[paper plover]

the core cast boons all end in "ring", anything else is stackable

[thin ridge]

Defense and clang gang

[thin ridge]

Tough gain really isn’t worth it over his other boons

I’d rather have a different gain even if I wasn’t using magick for the effects of something like glamour gain

[uneven palm]

Like if I don’t really need tons of magick and Heph offers an early epic Tough Gain I’ll click it. Saves a lot of health over the run

[thin ridge]

Weak feels better to me

And has synergy with other boons

[sage flame]

just get pash dash 🙏

[uneven palm]

I mean yeah there are overall better things for the slot but that’s IF Aphro shows up or you’ve gotta burn a keepsake to make her show up

[sage flame]

yeah i was just sayin if they want weak for sure

[uneven palm]

Like my personal standard is if Heph just shows up and says “here lemme save you hundreds of damage for this run” I take it

[thin ridge]

You have to take so much damage for that to happen

[formal pulsar]

From just one hadokun to the face from Prometheus, tough gain can save 20dmg. Or from autowatcher or the small automatons that fire many projectiles quickly. You are underestimating how many dmg instances happen in as small amounts quick succession.

Tough gain is honestly kinda underestimated on light magick builds. It can get the job done in many instances. 150magick restored is no joke

[silent crow]

tough gain also unlocks master conductor which is one of the higher power duos

[polar ravine]

also putting levels in it increases the level of damage it reduces.

[forest hinge]

whats the word on the best familiars? for me i just finally got around to getting Raki, Hecuba, and Gale, and i have to say Hecuba for extra mp is really nice

[bleak night]

Frinos and Gale fill the same niche, but Frinos is better if healing is on and Gale is better if it's off. Hecuba is great for Omega aspects, and Raki is great if you don't need any of the above. Toula's the only one that's kinda bad rn because Strength is so good

[willow phoenix]

Everything except Toula

Even discounting strength interaction she still kinda sucks

[bleak night]

Toula might be better to give Power or something, DD isn't exactly a statstick

[willow phoenix]

Yea either power or just flat 3% damage buff or something would be nice imo

[bleak night]

or just do the meme thing people are mentioning

1 hp DD, but 9 lives

that'd kinda destroy with the Medea thing though

[ashen timber]

does circe growth increase your hitbox?

[junior trail]

only weapon hitbox iirc, cast not affected

[ashen timber]

Is it easier to take damage though? (i guess I shoudve specified "hurtbox")

[junior trail]

both big and small circe dont affect hurtbox

[ashen timber]

Ok cool, thats what I wanted to know.

[sage flame]

that would go crazy too

[rare sleet]

wopuld you say hell splitter is a good hammer?

[bleak night]

no lol

if you have Exe Chop on Than then yeah, but alone def not. I literally avoid Experimental on Mel and Than Axe because I'm afraid of Hell Splitter bricking my build

[analog quail]

is it? i didn’t feel like it was great

[silent crow]

with master conductor the lightning can chain from you to an enemy back to you and to the same enemy doubling chain lightning dmg output its pretty great

[analog quail]

huh, didn’t think chain lightning could go back to an enemy it hit already

[formal pulsar]

isnt 3% damage buff like really bad compared to raki 4% crit?

it would have be like 10% given that crit chance is multiplictive and dmg% are additive

[polar ravine]

what does that one do?

[willow phoenix]

I'm just throwing out random numbers ngl lol

[formal pulsar]

I hate hell splitter but I remember that the first 55f clear used it because than damage late doesn’t scale all that well. Tbf he took it when he had rapid slash already. Does that reason not apply anymore?

[bleak night]

needing 2 prior hammers to make it good is a lil bit idk

what made that run have a viable Hell Splitter is you can cancel it at any point with shield block. No longer a thing rn, Shredder has lag and isn't defensive in any way

[formal pulsar]

That makes sense. I didn’t play the game when the axe had block. Must have been glorious

[bleak night]

yeah it was fun, it was a frame 1 block lol

[formal pulsar]

lol best weapon in the game having the only block is kinda nuts

[rotund nacelle]

I made that mistake once, never again

[forest hinge]

Does anyone else find the Skull’s moveset kinda clunky to use? I just recently started to like Staff, mainly Circe and going flat attack power and attack speed. I never found anything that clicked with me on skull

[signal coral]

keep in mind that pressing special vacuums up skulls

if you dont know already, your typical gameplay loop should be unloading the clip then pressing special to retrieve your bullets

also if you want you can give medea a try, it's arguably the strongest aspect right now and has a unique gameplay loop that some people find very fun

with that aspect the gameplay loop is pressing attack -> special in quick succession over and over again, sliding all over the map and trying to run through enemies

[forest hinge]

Medea is what I usually run, like blitz special into aphro Atk or smth

[signal coral]

medea is definitely a very unique aspect, takes a bit to learn the playstyle but its VERY strong

[forest hinge]

Anytime I try going Persephone, I can never seem to get decent cast dmg to make the special last longer. Apparently the max duration comes from dealing 1600 cast dmg, and idk how that’d even be possible per cast of the O special on that

[signal coral]

you dont necessarily need max duration

[forest hinge]

Maybe I’ll give Medea another go. I didn’t know special retrieved bullets tbh

[signal coral]

i would recommend you watch a speedrun or high fear clear of medea

to see how its supposed to look when played well

[vocal heath]

why does seismic hammer duo seem so rare?

I feel like I've met the prerequisites so many more times than many of the other duos that keep showing up

[bleak night]

bugged and needs Tidal Ring or something

[vocal heath]

is it because both of those gods have loads of passives that don't need other prerequisites?

[bleak night]

Not too sure myself since I don't quite like that duo, but a lot of people have been mentioning needing Tidal Ring specifically

[vocal heath]

Yeah I don't even want it to be good, it's just the last thing across every prophecy so far

[forest hinge]

Selene builds recs?

also Selene Coat's Shine effect doesnt affect olympian dmg right?

[willow phoenix]

Personally I prefer alternating between o spec and o cast for Selene because the o attack is kinda buggy

So zeus on o spec is great. Shimmering hammer is great, or the other special hammer too. For cast you need winner circle for max spam

If you do want to o attack, apollo is the best because of the huge aoe

Generally for selene you just run moon beam first to upgrade your skyfall

[willow phoenix]

It shouldn't, only omega damage

One thing to note is that the skyfall upgrade that applies attack boon only triggers on hit effect of the boon, not the damage amp

So something like Hera and Zeus can be great but not Apollo with it

[forest hinge]

Zeus spec, Hera atk/cast?

[willow phoenix]

Yea that's generally pretty good, you can also do some king ransom shenanigans by pairing zeus hera for funny damage

If you're spamming o cast might want to add gods with o cast upgrade like Pos and Ares

[forest hinge]

is it possible to make it so Zeus' O spec can trigger blitz from each of its rockets by combing Shine, Night, Furies, and smth else?

also do people usually run Night on Selene coat?

[willow phoenix]

You can do arc flash but the blitz cd only lets you get like 2-3 blitz off

[willow phoenix]

Depends on how many omega you're spamming but it can be good

[forest hinge]

how does an Ares/atk Zeus/spec Medea build scale going into the next regions?

[void idol]

it's the best build in the game rn

so scales pretty well

[spare kite]

Aim for grievous blow/double strike/divine vengeance

If you have apollo in the pool grab light smite, is disgusting with heinous

If you have hera you can set up king's ramson

[delicate egret]

Does Ares double damage bonus stack with crit strike or its the same bonus?

[spare kite]

They stack yeah, enjoy your x6

(ares is deal 200% dmg-crits are +200%)

[delicate egret]

oh dear lord, i already oneshot twins on surface with axe, i could oneshot them twice in one click then :D

damn chaos, botched me from double damage on 600 health run

[forest hinge]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I FLUBBED IT!!!!!!!!!!

i got stuck in a Chronos bubble right before he did his room-wide 300dmg whateverthehell move

[void idol]

that's unfortunate

[forest hinge]

could a Pan Zeus/spec build work?

[drowsy turtle]

hello does normal attack power get added to omega attack moves?

[bleak night]

which boon specifically for reference

if it has plural (Attacks), then it will work for both. If just singular, then just attack + dash attack

[drowsy turtle]

hepheastus hammer on the staff

[bleak night]

which one? The hammer on the Cast ?

[drowsy turtle]

on the attack

X button on xbox controller

omega cast speed staff the that staff

[spare kite]

If you mean his attack boon, that's a different dmg source than your weapon but it procs with normals/omegas alike

If you mean his infusion (+5% attack/special dmg per earth) then no omega

[uneven palm]

Are you talking about Wicked Thrasher (hammer)? If so, yes, the +30 power works on regular attacks and Omegas (it’s worded “Attacks” plural)

[drowsy turtle]

ups i meant the hammer

i was confused because i saw a hammer and immediatly went the god of forge

[uneven palm]

The wording will tell you what it applies to, but it’s subtle. “Attacks” plural is both regular and Omegas. “Attack” singular is regular moves, not Omegas.

[drowsy turtle]

thanks 😄

[graceful iris]

How does Hestia's sprint work under the hood? A long time ago, I read some speculation that it periodically destroyed all nearby projectiles, and that you could get unlucky if a projectile crossed the entire "nearby" radius between ticks?

[forest hinge]

is there no possible way to offset/bypass White Antler's maxHP condition?

[magic moss]

nope

[bleak night]

second-thinking using it ?

[forest hinge]

i love using it, but messing up once literally just kills u if ur not running DD lmao, so i was wondering if there was like a duo boon or smth that overwrites or at least minimizes the effect

[bleak night]

yeah you gotta make sure you have the necessary defensive tools to ensure a single mistake doesn't end you

the main 3 are Snow Queen, Trusty Shield and Mint Condition, Lovers shielding makes that 6 defensive tools in bossfights, Nitro Boost helps further. Without those though, yeah it's kinda just reliant on you dodging

[forest hinge]

im starting to consider Lovers more, but yeah Chronos i could handle dodging, but Typhon is still kinda overwhelming sometimes

[civic ocean]

Going for Cherished Heirloom with Demeter and Hera also means you get access to freeze which helps a lot

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSm2KltkfvUcVAxeqa8TE1Ix1N1u5I2bgC94rUjXs1tegyOZoeVM0H_JVuyNDEmYB5Sl-CxCTA7FLlV/pubhtml

the mel skull build here outlines how to optimize antler

[burnt mason]

hey

[light jungle]

Help me…

Why can’t I post screenshots/images here ffffcccckk

https://imgur.com/a/qhlhc3j

Sooo I get to Prometheus and it would be a perfect run

Literally perfect and then he just pounds my ass so hard I lose all 3 death defiances in there

Like I have Demeter’s and Zeus’s infusion boon plus Demeter’s legendary

Arctic cast with flutter strike

I don’t even struggle after Prometheus but 0 death defiances is making it impossible to finish typhon

The hilarious thing is that Athena always shows herself when I’m having a perfect run and have all my DD

WHAT DO I DO?!!!

[pearl cedar]

Prometheus's attacks can mostly be dodged by moving away and perpendicular to him. Both "kick" attacks (one creates a circle of damage, and one sends out the blast) are dodgeable by dashing/running away and then dashing at a 90 degree angle.

Also Strength>DD imho.

A movespeed boon is useful against Prometheus.

The big targetting circle that lands/follows you can be dodged by running until it stops moving and then dashing out of it

[sage flame]

waiting for him to finish his combos is also good to avoid trying to damage him while he's throwing out hitboxes

[uneven palm]

He has strict patterns and you dodge most of his moves the same way (wait, dash through). This might help you get him next time https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=Koho9pGZ5ggS_yJc

[twin bolt]

+70% attack speed and a lot more with heph
https://youtu.be/6NnwqY4_iko?feature=shared

boons are in polish

[civic ocean]

People have talked about getting better at the prometheus fight but I would also suggest chasing the Aph + Dem + Pos + Ares combo in the Mel axe guide below

A good way to help learn these fights and still win is unironically to shoot for 400 max hp and things that scale off of that

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSm2KltkfvUcVAxeqa8TE1Ix1N1u5I2bgC94rUjXs1tegyOZoeVM0H_JVuyNDEmYB5Sl-CxCTA7FLlV/pubhtml some other fun stuff in there too

[viscid patrol]

So, it turns out Dark Side is a really freaking good Hex for the Surface.
It got me past Eris for the first time, and it helped me beat Prometheus on my first try.

[twin bolt]

yes

[spare kite]

Impervious is impervious ig

[stable herald]

Dark Side ❤️ it doesn't have good damage but free invincibility is so good

It loses a lot of value if you run the Timer vow since it's so slow

[lunar kiln]

is the duration on heph attack/spec/dash capped by the level, or the duration itself? like if i have enough poms, can i get a common heph attack to the same duration as a heroic?

[civic ocean]

It’s a really nice pocket counter to Eris for sure

[civic ocean]

I believe you can get there with Poms alone, but of course it is easier with both combined (rarity and poms don’t interact with one another in terms of scaling)

[uneven palm]

Any rarity Heph blast boon can get to the min 2s cooldown

[civic ocean]

Do you know how many poms common takes

[formal pulsar]

It depends on the slot because each slot start from a different value

[dreamy thicket]

Does the Zeus+Poseidon duo (Killer Current) also affect chain lightning?

[uneven palm]

Yes it does

[uneven palm]

Common attack takes 9. Each rarity bump drops 2. So 9/7/5/3 Poms.

Common special takes 13 (lol). Same deal with rarity so 13/11/9/7

For the level of the boon at 2s, add 1 to all of those

First Pom (level 2) removes 2s, subsequent ones 1s each

[formal pulsar]

What about dash? It cannot be that many because epic dash starts at 8

7/6/5/4 I think

[uneven palm]

Looks like dash goes 1s per rarity instead of 2, and 1s per Pom at all levels. So 8/7/6/5

[formal pulsar]

Oh you are saying the level not the number of Poms. We are saying the same thing

[uneven palm]

I’m saying number of Poms

For the level of the boon, add 1

[formal pulsar]

Doesn’t common dash go from 10 to 8/7/6/5/4/3/2? that’s 7 Poms or am I miscounting?

[uneven palm]

I’d have to double check but I think dash does 1s per level, unlike attack/special where the first Pom (level 2) drops 2s

[formal pulsar]

Wait you are actually correct I forget about that

They don’t go 2s on the first Pom

[uneven palm]

Yeah, which makes that boon all the more ridiculous IMO

[formal pulsar]

Well at least the common starts from 10 not freaking 16 lol

I am trying to be positive here. Glass half full sort of thinking

I dunno why they are so worried about making heph blasts actually good

[uneven palm]

If it were up to me if the first 2 Poms (maybe 3 on special) gave 2s reduction that’d make me feel better about Heph

Like I can make the dude work as primary damage but every build I think of you also need a backup plan (Slow Cooker, Master Conductor) and then those are just most of the damage anyway

[formal pulsar]

How does slow cooker help heph blasts? Or do you mean chain reaction?

It is disappointing that 2 of the entirely new gods don’t really have good attack boons (heph and hestia). At least Heph is insta pick at high fear because he has ridiculous support boons. But they need to make new gods have good cores as well.

I feel like they want heph core boons to not be very good to balance him out because mint condition and trusty shield already carry high fear runs and if heph had good attack boons, it might make him too much. But I think they have overcorrected and he just sucks as a main dmg dealer (outside of cast winners circle sheninagans)

[stable herald]

yeah idk how to rework Heph's core boons without changing the spirit of what they do or making them hella overpowered, and I like that he's got something really unique going with them. But taking them never feels good

[polar chasm]

would selling king's ransom remove the added levels? I'm tempted to get +270 gold but don't want to mess up my build

[stable herald]

nope

[formal pulsar]

Nope and same with bridal glow

[stable herald]

once you rarify or pom something it's permanent, same with Bridal Glow and Proper Upbringing

[polar chasm]

oh sweet so I'm safe to get that gold

thanks for the help

[stable herald]

plus once you purge them you have a chance to get them again lol

[polar chasm]

lol that's so silly 😂 time to bulk up on hera /hj

[thin ridge]

Wait does that mean I can get a double kings/queens ransom+echo in a single run

[timber pawn]

correct

[uneven palm]

Late response and longish sorry…

So with blast-first builds the most obvious way to scale them up is Poms/rarity to start and also the duos with Hestia and Apollo for more blasts/damage. But the RNG isn’t always your friend so I like to have backup plans. Also you need something to do between blasts.

So the way I build starting Heph is I look for the Fire gods because they have the good blast duos. If one or both show up naturally I lean into them. The side quest there if the duos or Poms aren’t forthcoming is you go for Slow Cooker from Hestia. All the fire boons you’re collecting—including all of Heph’s blast ones and most of the decent Apollo boons—can add up to a ton of +power which is great on fast-attacking aspects (coats, blades, staffs, maybe torches). I like this because any time a fire god shows up you nab a fire boon and get more powerful even if the boon itself is meh.

If the fire gods aren’t showing up naturally or Zeus shows up, I take/force Zeus. You’ve started with a Heph core so you’re set up for Master Conductor. Conveniently, this is also great for fast-ish attacking aspects. Also Blitz is just good if you’ve got the spare attack/special slot and blitz/bolts/blasts both benefit from global damage boosts or Extended Family so you’re scaling them up the same way.

A Heph core could also lead into the Ares/Heph Ares/Apollo blade drop duos for like Omega-happy aspects but that’s a higher roll IMO

[uneven palm]

Like here’s a recent Eos run I did where a Heph start fueled a huge Slow Cooker so the O special ended up topping the board https://youtu.be/_E1bEruWVfk?si=Y9mcO0KNjeIbsSnU

idk why I'm only digging up Eos right now and this is from last patch but this is the other direction, Heph blasts into Zeus https://youtu.be/N0un6hZAn7U Here blasts ended up topping the board but Zeus wasn't far behind

Those are Eos and first ones I found but more typically I start Heph special on like blades, staffs, coats. I think the 400 base damage makes it worth building around that more than the attack

[formal pulsar]

Hmmm I see the internal logic here. I like that the combo of the fire gods (apollo/hestia/heph) all have the best blast duos too.

I see how this works

[junior trail]

i wonder if blast slowdown might disrupt cut above timing or sth

[formal pulsar]

this is completely not related but why do you have black bars on top and bottom of the screen in UI things (like selecting hammers/boons/ephyra overview/etc). I noticed it and now I cannot stop looking at it

[uneven palm]

If I had to guess those are a fixed aspect ratio but the rest of the game can run at a bigger variety of aspect ratios, including whatever the heck my MacBook screen is

[polar ravine]

a lvl 4 heroic attack with strength and that one infusion that makes all god boon damage sources deal +25% more damage plus the extra damage to those in casts deals ~1000 damage each blast

[formal pulsar]

That Eos run was fun!! too bad you never god furnace blasts. Butt clincher at the end too. You were 1 hit away.

[civic ocean]

It seems like a good way to go for heph blasts is to look for Grievous Blow + Rallying Cry yeah

[willow phoenix]

My Heph blast build is Heph, Hestia, Apollo, Ares

So the boon to look for is chain reaction, back burner, grievous, rallying cry, and rude awakening if possible

[formal pulsar]

most of the blast boon are fire though and apollo and hestia have 0 earth boons, can you really activate rallying cry with blast builds? Greivous is fair but I am skeptical regarding Rallying cry

[willow phoenix]

Prob enough? Regardless imo both Hestia and Apollo are worth more than Ares so maybe ditch Ares for Hera

Hera also has juicy synergy with Heph for Brave Fave tank build that also works well with Apollo Hestia

So yeah maybe Hera actually

Would be more consistent and easier orig too

[formal pulsar]

also doesn't hitch synergize with large heph blasts? like if i blast a mob and another one is hitched, the damage will transfer over

[willow phoenix]

True but it's already kinda overkill with grand caldera imo lol

[bleak night]

Born Gain + Heph Special was broken and funny a long while back

because Danaid's effect used to be the Hera-Heph duo

[rare sleet]

man fine line + posessed array + blackened fleece is so strong. I melted down prometheus

oh and the +2 skulls also help

[willow phoenix]

Possessed array is always insane , add Righteous Pike for easy damage

Imagine if you add weed killer and cut above to it too. Also not sure but I think exceptional talent works with it?

[junior trail]

Yes, and Exceptional Talent also works with normal o.atk, meaning that using o.atk will trigger four times in total, 2 when the attack lands and 2 when shell is retrieved. It's rly good with persephone

[junior trail]

blitz doesnt stack (unlike pos ) and has a brief animation/delay upon activation

o.special spam pan is too fast for blitz

but it's quite good with trick knives/stutter pan, cuz dash-strike procs romantic

[forest hinge]

can Athena actually show up in the underworld cus i just cleared Erebus with her relic and she never showed up

i kinda assumed she only appeared on the surface, but still i just didnt know

[junior trail]

yes, gorgon amulet can be used in the underworld as well

do you have any death defiance effect? like death arcana card or toula?

because gorgon amulet only takes effect when you don't have any dd effect

[forest hinge]

OHHHHHHHH im a fool

[forest hinge]

so will Athena still perform her 'Divine Intervention' on the surface at random if you still have DD, or is having no DD is absolute requirement for her to appear at all?

[spare kite]

Her Olympus appearance is not tied to defiances

(and in that regard, her keepsake is bugged on Olympus)

Outside of that her keepsake always works if you are at 0 dds

[forest hinge]

even in Tartarus?

[junior trail]

yes, it works in every region except mount olympus

[forest hinge]

is coat o.special too fast for multiple blitz procs per cast?

[stable herald]

In my experience yes

[junior trail]

yes, only 1 blitz triggers with coat o.special when using arc flash

[forest hinge]

wait so does this mean Arc Flash only triggers Blitz once per O.Move? also, with Pan o.spec w/arcflash for example.: does the first needle apply AND proc blitz? or is it the second needle that insta-procs blitz regardless of dmg(cus of arc flash)?

[uneven palm]

You can get multiple arc flash blitz drops out of like a long Axe omega attack. Maybe coat O special with shimmering rockets could do multiple too? But everything else you’re up against Blitz’s animation needing to complete before you reapply it and get another Omega hit.

[old geyser]

whats the most no-skill build rn?

[junior trail]

arc flash can trigger multiple blitz in one move (with things like axe o.atk and torches o.special), but it needs consistent hits and lasts for a good amount of time. coat o.special is just too fast to apply a second blitz

btw zeus on coat special might work better as supplemental damage when using pos attack + exhaust (and launcher if lucky) + killer. this way, you can also aim for static shock (and conductor if you get heph)

[upbeat osprey]

Anyway, I have a question about aspects. Which aspect other than "Aspect of Melinoë" should I focus on for each Nocturnal Arm? I've seen a lot of people win with Aspect of Melinoë for their victory runs, but I wanted to know which other aspects I should prioritize in my upgrades due to limited resources.

[fair horizon]

If you mean where to spend early Nightmare, depending on your preferred weapons: Momus, Pan, Moros, Medea, Than.

Moros and Medea are riskier play styles so you want them powered up early, while Momus and Pan benefit decently from being upgraded (Pan is the last priority because of Trick Knives).

The axes either Charon or Than are fine. Than benefits more in it's proper play style, you really want the maxed out attack speed boost.

[upbeat osprey]

Gotcha. Gotcha. Thanks for the thoughts. I've only upgrade Aspect of Melinoë for the Staff and Axe, so I'll test out some of these. Thanks for opinions.

[glossy forge]

Probably axe whirlwind builds. All builds require skill for high fear and speed, but otherwise, axe whirlwind is the most brainless effective gameplay. Just charge up your omega attack in a safe spot, then dash towards the enemies (which automatically releases the omega attack). Huge aoe, huge margin for error, huge damage that crushes armor and kills enemies before they have a chance to hit you.

Other than that, there’s the coat special spam. Put Hera on the special, then just go around the room brainlessly spamming the regular special from safety. Get shimmering rockets and regular mobs are a nonissue. Ripper rockets and any +special power will help immensely against bosses.

[bronze cape]

How is it that Eris is a harder boss fight than fking typhon or prome, like wtf am I suppose to do with sister blades against that itch.

[cursive oyster]

her turn speed is very slow, so staying behind her lets you get a lot of easy hits in

she can be scary but none of her attacks are too hard to dodge once you practice them, the only issue is when she does hit you it really hurts

[sage flame]

sorta the trend on the surface

[uneven palm]

Stick to her like glue. Eris punishes the fearful. You see aiming reticles, dash through. She takes forever to turn once committed. After Gatling/shotgun/bombs be ready for a dashing-v which you also dash through then give chase. If she flies off or you lose track, hug a pillar.

[formal pulsar]

Hug her but just be careful when she does shotgun blasts while she hugs a wall it can be more difficult to dodge it then. If she does that hide behind a pillar till she relocates.

[uneven palm]

True edge-of-arena Eris is very dangerous

[civic ocean]

Idk I kinda just hide behind the statues and that works for me

After the first phase change

[uneven palm]

That’s valid too because she’ll chase you down to shotgun, or the bombs will be less likely to be on top of her so you can move in and beat her

I can’t quantify it but it feels she’s less likely to fly off and do her adds/bombing nonsense if you stick with her tho

[thin ridge]

Thanatos psychic whirlwind

Only skill is knowing when to channel

[civic ocean]

I think the build that is probably the easiest to learn and play is probably the dash attack mel axe build I have here, as it only uses one attack repeatedly:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSm2KltkfvUcVAxeqa8TE1Ix1N1u5I2bgC94rUjXs1tegyOZoeVM0H_JVuyNDEmYB5Sl-CxCTA7FLlV/pubhtml

[thin ridge]

Dash attack mel is sooo boring tho

[tepid marsh]

can freezer burn crit?

[civic ocean]

IIRC all sources of damage in the game can crit or ares dub with the potential exception of Scorch

[tepid marsh]

thank you based Eury

[forest hinge]

all you high Fear players, is it normal to only get like 7 normals boons + 2 hammers, artemis, and echo on a run? i feel like i normally get more than that? I've been taking Denial vow and its been kinda doody to play

[formal pulsar]

Denial doesn’t change the number of boons you get, do you mean forfeit?

[uneven palm]

Yeah Forfeit is rough like that. You’re sometimes lucky to get boons out of Oceanus at all

[forest hinge]

Yeah sorry, i did mean Forfeit, got them mixed up

[sage flame]

onion do be like that

[forest hinge]

the onion taunts me with its uncooked palor

[stable herald]

Yeah Melinoe should know better than to eat raw onion

Plot twist: onions are an ingredient for brewing Entropy

[magic moss]

yeah, avg is about what you said

[thin ridge]

Make this the case

[junior trail]

the only amplifier (excluding wep stuff) that doesnt boost freezer dmg is olympian damage cuz its scorch

its soooo inconsistent like, incandescent aura is olympian dmg despite being %, and arctic/anvil arent? for some reason?

[civic salmon]

can someone explaint to me why everyone loves wolf howl?

[junior trail]

• low magick cost
• repositioning
• while leaping and landing, you are invulnerable to damage
• one of the pos upgrade grants impervious for a brief moment after landing; this also synergizes with another upgrade that gives you an extra wolf howl use, making the invulnerability last even longer

basically its a good emergency escape button, and its good from the get-go unlike other hexes

[uneven palm]

Yeah, cheap “oh crap” button. It’s great for Typhon where you only have to dodge like 2 of his moves by his face and you can get it active easily between attacks

And the damage gets frankly pretty silly if you upgrade it

[median anvil]

wolf howl is indeed, goated with the sauce

[tall notch]

Maybe that's a personal thing, but I find the dash attack spam builds relatively tricky to pilot as I tend to view dash as mostly mobility in h2 as opposed to doing significant damage with dash strikes

[glossy rivet]

can demeter offer steady growth without having other boons? like for keepsake starts

[junior trail]

no, there has to be at least one boon that is not heroic

[loud egret]

is hermes keepsake duration per encounter? or for the entire region?

[glossy rivet]

do demeter's local climate and hostile environment with charon's cast?

[silent crow]

yes

[uneven palm]

It’s on a timer starting when you put it on

It can last into another region if you’re really zooming

[old geyser]

whats the best mel and moros torches builds rn

[sage flame]

born gain, get fine line, zeus special probably, athena pike if you can, and shred, that's the basics of it

[tall notch]

Do people no longer click Hestia gain on Moros?

[magic moss]

explosions no longer give mana so no not really

[bleak night]

Doesn't quite work anymore so no

[spiral kraken]

does anything happen on Hubris if you prime all your magic? you can still take boons that are rare and up, right?

[fair horizon]

Yeah, just like there's no problemo when you take boons which prime more magick than you've currently got.

[spiral kraken]

thanks! can i assume that you can still take boons that also prime your magic normally?

[fair horizon]

Yep

[uneven palm]

You just can’t do any Omegas (obvs) and you can’t get Huntress online

[rotund nacelle]

Zeus special isn't really needed but you do need to stack an absolute ton of Max Magik to keep up with Fine Line. Also getting Cut Above from Ares can burn through Magik even faster for more Rghteous Pike

[fair horizon]

For this build there's the possibility of lucking into Winner's Circle + decent rarity Lucid Gain. Mel torches are nice to forget about the special.

[steel void]

Hi everyone! Is it considered easy to get wins (especially on the surface) while on fear Lvl32?

Just tried today, almost got Chronos , but I can't imagine beating the surface yet...

[fair horizon]

Surface is definitely harder for the same fear level.

What's your arcana loadout? And which vows do you usually take?

It's a good idea to get used to Frenzy and Time and Fangs for both routes.

[steel void]

For vows, it's almost everything and extra damage lvl1, time lvl1, healing malus lvl2, extra monster speed lvl1, monster extra health lvl2... Something like that.

As for arcana, it's mostly damage (cast + debuffs), coins, change of fate, the QoL life and extra healing, epics, duos... Something like that.

[steel void]

Frenzy lvl2?

Cerberus was too fast at that level, so I tuned it down... 😅

[fair horizon]

yeah, and at least time2

[steel void]

Wow, time2 can be manageable, but frenzy2, phew...

[fair horizon]

yeah, I hate Cerberus with Frenzy2, but all other stuff is not as frustrating. Cerberus feels like he's just rampaging and not really fighting me.

[steel void]

All right, i'll have to get used to all that.

[fair horizon]

I mean some players get used to 50 fear, every vow maxed except for void. So in theory you can pick any other combination of vows if you don't/can't mesh with Frenzy or Time.

[steel void]

Are there preferred builds for Fear32? I feel pretty strong with sister blades and the Y+cast combo with poseidon + hestia, but with the onion malus thing once every region , it's really hard to get your build going...

[fair horizon]

You can switch Onion for something else, like a few points Scars or Pain.

[steel void]

Yeah, or Frenzy2.... 😅

[stable herald]

Frenzy2 isn't so bad once you get used to it

[fair horizon]

There's also the Mel coat build with Poseidon attack and spam dash-strikes, also get Athena's dash for extra safety (using Strength arcana).

[willow phoenix]

Rule of thumb for 32f is don't take hordes

Time should be lvl 3, for underworld it should be very doable especially with no hordes

[fair horizon]

If you get Shimmering Rockets, Hera special is a one-button build to clear regular rooms.

[stable herald]

yeah Frenzy and Time aren't as scary as they seem, but hordes is scarier than it seems

[willow phoenix]

Mel skull is very easy imo, doesn't really need that much mechanical skill and boon rng

[steel void]

That sounds interesting, and I hadn't thought of Athena's dash for more safety, but at that level, I can definitely see how reassuring that must be with Cerberus for example! ^^

[fair horizon]

There's also Charon axe + Lucid Gain + Demeter cast, and if lucky Ares special or Hera special.

[willow phoenix]

Like you can make mel skull work with just a % damage attack and orig lol

No magick use too so no need for magick management

[steel void]

Wow, thanks for all the advice guys! : )

[civic ocean]

I wonder if it’s worth revisiting 32 fear setups for people who don’t want to learn frenzy

[viscid wave]

My advice is always to pick whichever weapon/aspect you're comfiest with. I did both 32f runs on Mel Staff, which ain't The Meta, but it's what worked for me.

Same re vows - play about with 'em. Def listen to the peeps here and their wisdom, but if you Just Cant run like time or frenzy 2 or whatever it's okay to try some alternative vows and see what works for you!

[viscid wave]

Yeh. Or fear set-ups for peeps who don't want/just don't like the usual suspects (time, frenzy etc etc). "Fear set-ups for awkward sloths" 🤣

[civic ocean]

I think the easiest way is to just create a bunch of viable 32s and have them handy in the spreadsheet

[formal pulsar]

Trying to do surface Mel axe 50 fear, been really hitting a wall at the timer by the point I reach Prometheus? I usually reach him at 1m or 1m30s and cannot kill him on time. Any ideas? I tried aphro and Hera attack with dashing heave/rapid slash with same results.

[silent crow]

antler olympus? idk

[civic ocean]

IMO mel axe does a lot of work with mutual destruction and a lot of hp so maybe try that. I have heard romantic spark works well too

[silent crow]

oh yea blitz special thats how you scale it

[formal pulsar]

How does romantic spark axe work? Blitz special and run around? Does this really get the job done at 50? I am down bad to trying everything tbh

[silent crow]

i saw some guy clear 50f surface with eos and the damage was basically exclusively blitz

but if u dont get romantic spark you can use the dash attack and special to get a lot of dps

[spare kite]

I'd say prob after em

[silent crow]

EM might be insanely difficult in this game

but yea it is qorth waiting

[spare kite]

Well yeah but prob better to practice 3 bosses than the entire timing of the game for their dodges just for 32

If they wanna go higher they'll have to practice frenzy already anyways

[civic ocean]

I think I want to be ready for people who just want the statues with stuff they can play and try to win with depending on their preferences

[uneven palm]

If you’ve got dashing heave and something for additional damage (Zeus special, ares special + grievous, passion rush, lethal snare) you’re probably ok for damage. Are you getting any free rooms in the Rift? That’s the difference-maker for me. A rift with fountain midshop Circe vs one with none of those is a MANY minute difference.

Like with a decent build the rift is what determines if i time out in Olympus or not

[silent crow]

does passion rush actually do that much for dps

[uneven palm]

With dashing heave axe, yeah the dash boon hits twice and your rotation has you dashing all the time

With rarity it’s pretty substantial

[timber pawn]

For anyfear we've had Olympus variance from like 1:56 to 3:30+, I feel your pain.

Thessaly similarly can get down to 1:30 or be a full like 3 minutes

[uneven palm]

the RNG variance is pretty brutal. At 50F for me at least (small sample lol) any skip in the rift is juuust enough to get by Prometheus without timing out even without many skips on Olympus. Then summit usually isn’t a problem because Antler

[civic ocean]

The lack of choices to make in rift is kinda brutal ye

[analog quail]

is fine line good with charon?

[civic ocean]

Its fine

It only activates once

[mint nexus]

Did they fix Bridal Glow pomming Hermes?

Or can I still try it

[formal pulsar]

not patched

[mint nexus]

Man I really can’t find bridal glow

[willow phoenix]

Ngl I gave up doing bridal grow hermes run after 10 seed rerolls lol

[mint nexus]

I’m lucky enough to have Hermes as my second room before city

So it’s very quick rerolls

[stable herald]

Is the way to force bridal glow on Stutter Step onion'ing the first Ephyra room, rolling Hermes on the next, then trying to roll Bridal Glow?

[junior trail]

usually it goes like this

1. first room: onion
2. second room before ephyra: hermes

ephyra
3. ephyra room 1: select any unpommable boon from any gods
4. ephyra room 2: hera, then hope to see and reroll for bridal glow
-- if bridal doesnt appear, give up and repeat
-- if it does, hope it'll apply to the hermes one

basically get 1 hermes and 1 unpommable boon first, then bridal glow

[mint nexus]

Is there a list of unpommable boons?

[junior trail]

Hera:
Extended Family

Poseidon:
Buried Treasure, High Surf

Aphrodite:
Life Affirmation, Secret Crush

Hephaestus:
Heavy Metal, Uncanny Fortitude

Ares:
Mutual Destruction, Blood Spree

Hestia:
Burnt Offering

Demeter:
Steady Growth

[surreal hazel]

It's quite a lot bigger than that

and some are actively detrimental since none of these were designed to be levellable, so the default formula does weird things

like for example Steady Growth basically gets bricked by bridal glow

[junior trail]

oh its a dummy boon list for triggering bridal on hermes

[surreal hazel]

yah, but I think it's bigger than that

if you just want hermes, you do theonion trick

otherwise your first boon will be forced to Hera's and you have to reroll into Extended Family

(Which honestly is pretty hilarious if Bridal glow later hits it)

[burnt mason]

who does afrodita duo with to make her think everyone is close ?

[fallen veldt]

poseidon

[surreal hazel]

Island Getaway

[mint cedar]

How do I fight the typhon melee attack? The window to get away from him seems kind of small

[glossy forge]

You can just dash to the side right before the chin slams down, it's enough i-frames to avoid the attack even without divine dash.

[mint cedar]

Okay I’ll try that

[willow phoenix]

Or if you want to play it safe just dash to the back

[late lantern]

not so silly question, but does + % damage effects from Selene' hexes stack with casting it multiple times?

[glossy forge]

I believe the answer is yes.

[late lantern]

I feel like the -% damage effect probably didn't stack, at least not additively

[glossy forge]

this demands some testing, I'll be back with information

[surreal hazel]

Dash away from typhon

you're probably getting hit by the horns, since that move is three shockwaves that expand, making the timing to dodge it kinda tricky, best to just dash backwards when you see him telegraphing it

[surreal hazel]

I don't believe so, they're a holdover from when the same effects were "While your hex isn't ready" moves

[glossy forge]

I just did some testing, got 4 of the "deal +5% damage after using your hex this encounter" upgrades and used the hex 3 times. Still did only +20% damage, not +60%. It does not stack. I stand corrected.

[junior trail]

it shouldve tho.. +1% dodge in dark side is nasty

like, literally 1%? you sure it doesnt stack??

[late lantern]

I wonder whether or not 100% dodge is possible

[bleak night]

It is, someone afk'd in a VC for 9 hours so Typhon will 100% die to Raki

[spare kite]

Funniest victory screenshot I've seen

[ashen timber]

What was the build?

[spare kite]

Bridal glow'd hasty retreat + like 20 air aphro infusion

[viscid wave]

The whiplash escalation from glancing at it and going "this doesnt look THAT remarkab- sweet baby Selene the clear time was WHAT!?" and the ensuing rabbit-hole of discovery was truly delightful

[mossy yoke]

wait i want to see this where can i find it

[past crest]

cinerary circle from hades and possessed array on the skull is a fun synergy

[mint cedar]

i haven't beaten typhon without haephestus yet

im still having a few issues with the eggs he spawns

and some of the attacks are hard to track with my eyes

[sand flicker]

What is good about hephaestus? I dont think i've really ever taken his boons

[sage flame]

usually people say defensive value, as a primary damage source he needs a lot of rarity and poms

[silent crow]

his cast is good too

[formal pulsar]

His core boons kinda suck unless under specific conditions. However he has two of the best support boons in the game: trusty shield and mint condition.

[wintry musk]

The cast one is ok. The one I like the most is the being imprevious for x seconds at the start of the encounter

What are some good 'meta builds' for each weapon? Is there a wiki somewhere? For example after watching Myntkaramell more or less my approach to Thanathos is getting Aprodite's proximity weakness + any curse on attack. That is easy to get with just the Aphrodite keepsake and it guarantees origination on every attack + even in common you have enough mana regen for X omega attacks. You can branch out from there in many different ways but the core is easy to get in the first 4 rooms.

[sage flame]

there won't be a ton of guides out until 1.0 due to things being subject to change

[silent crow]

generally blitz is really good on every weapon

[pure grove]

Blitz used to be ass when it was a “have to deal this much damage” curse, but now it’s free flat damage and basically faster Heph (with chances to double proc)

[silent crow]

blitz was always good

i dont think anyone waits the full 3 seconds for it to drop

[spare kite]

Lol

[silent crow]

blitz was ass back when it didnt count for origination

[pure grove]

It didn’t use to be a “you’re allowed to wait” boon. It was either deal damage or it doesn’t do anything iirc

[silent crow]

yeah nobody waits for blitz 120 dmg is nothing in this game

[spare kite]

Yeah but 120 is a sneeze to deal

[rare sleet]

Which gods have good synergy?

[formal pulsar]

Very broad question. Mention gods you like and we can tell you which work best with it on which weapon

[rare sleet]

Hmmm last time I got good hestia and Poseidon boons and I belive I didn't exploit them well because they weren't working together. And the other gods I got didn't compliment this well.

Which goods and weapons have good synergy with ares? Hmm hestia/apolo I like as well

I haven't made much use of Hera. I think I avoid her.

I don't use haephestus for much other than the boon that increases life based on magic

[formal pulsar]

Well for ares depends on the weapon if your main attack is Poseidon waves, ares is very good with him.

Ares and Hera work together on builds that uses both attack and special like Momus/Moros/Trick knives blades because you can apply wound with one move and use hitch with the main one. I consider their duo mandatory for blood drop builds.

Omega special focused builds with hestia controlled burn loves ares because of their duo and grievous blow. Staff and Selene coat work with that.

Ares and Zeus can work together well also because heinous affront can deal an insane amount of damage.

I don’t really do falling blade builds with ares so these are the ones I recommend.

[rare sleet]

Ok thnaksss will have these in mind for future runs

[sand flicker]

Eos flames with Zeus boons (blitz on attack, chain lightning on attack, kinda just take a bunch of other ones) is pretty insane

[bleak night]

Feel free to just ask me for a meta build for anything when it comes down to it lol

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[night lagoon]

Hestia and Poseidon work surprisingly well together, between their Duo and possible Buried Treasure/Sea Star/Burnt Offering shenanigans to boost your MP to the high heavens

[willow mesa]

um so i shut off full screen in the settings, just click the box and the game is gone lol, its still running in steam

but its unfindable lol wtf

[uneven palm]

Maybe poke #h2-tech-support ?

[mint cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192494296419532871/1357794171288682846/20250405030115_1.jpg am i doing it right

[vale mesa]

hordes before return and denial is questionable choice i think

[stable herald]

Hordes is worse than it seems. Return is annoying but manageable, and denial is okay once you learn to work around it (and don't get greedy for boons after you get your build online)

That said when I did my 32F Surface clear with Momus I did it with Hordes 1 on, which wasn't so bad. But each point of hordes makes ALL the other "stronger enemies" vows harder

[magic moss]

exactlyyy

[uncut raven]

Hi hi! New to discord and all. Interesting you guys are talking 32 Fear run stuff as I just join, cause Im about to do 32 Fear typhon in a moment

I honestly LOVE the hoards vows, mostly cause MOAR MONEY from slain foes. More money = more boons and power-ups from Charon and Hermes

Vow of Denial is not that hard once you get used to not having a boon immediately. And Vow of Hubris...that's honestly a secret weapon people of any Fear level should be using. If you know what kind of build you like, Vow of Hubris and some Fate dice can get you there faster

[magic moss]

the money you get from killing more enemies is negligible compared to the difficulty spike

[uncut raven]

My 32 Fear run does NOT include a timer...I dont think Id make it that way. o_O

[magic moss]

tho ig if you arent playing with a timer then sure ig it could work

[uncut raven]

This is true at first. If you get Quick Buck and/or Minor Bounty, its starts to stack tho

Timer is fricken scary.

[magic moss]

eh? i still think its not worth to take hordes for the money

you can get maybe like 1 or 2 extra boons from shop through kill gold alone with a gold amp boon

[uncut raven]

True, I mean to each their own. I beat 32 Chronos with hordes all the way up last night, and all my 16 Fear runs were full hordes.

[paper plover]

whats your usual clear time? I recommend getting used to at least time1, 9 minutes per zone is free once you get used to it

and then you can take a fear off somewhere else

[uncut raven]

I'ma check my latest clear time now.

40:48.45 on my 32 Fear Chronos run

[magic moss]

jesus christ

[paper plover]

you can go a lot faster if you turn off hordes but if you already beat 32 fear keep trucking

[magic moss]

to each their own ig, i could not imagine myself spending 30+ min in a single run

[paper plover]

thats the beauty of the fear system

[magic moss]

but yeah like sunset said, if its working for you go off king

[uncut raven]

Indeed. I take my time with my runs. I would be tempted to try the timer afterwards to see if I could handle the pressure tho...but not necessary as long as I beat Typhon at 32 Fear. >)

I'm trying to post a photo of my current vow setup, but I dont know if I need tenure in this group to be allowed to post attachments

Cause I dont see the option.

[magic moss]

nah image attachments arent allowed in general, you need to post the media link

[uncut raven]

Ah okay

[paper plover]

you can post in victory boasting

[indigo viper]

What does the fate changed (T before table of vows) do?

[magic moss]

it rolls the seed

[indigo viper]

seed?

[uncut raven]

Seed is an term of the RNG gods. Sunset will explain I think.

[paper plover]

the seed controls what god and boons you get at the start and it resets when you die or use the fate changer, so if you just hit "give up" and start a run again you'll get the same starting god and boons

[indigo viper]

Ach, i undestood. Tysm

[bleak night]

Dear lord that's a long time

[uneven palm]

Almost coulda done Time 1 lol

[bleak night]

Probs not if 40 mins

[rotund nacelle]

Nah 40 min timer 3 run is easy, so long as Vow of Scars is off

[thin ridge]

It sucks tho

[sinful moon]

Also wanting to run higher fear 16 and 32, are there any defaults for those? Perhaps with options and some leeway? You can @me I'll read it later ❤️

[vernal flower]

how do you all use aspect of eos on the torches? I really cant seem to make a good build with it

[willow phoenix]

You either do a normal special spam or an omega special spam with it

Spawn an o attack then use special, respawn the o attack when it runs out or off target. You can also use normal attack but don't refresh the o attack if it's on an enemy, the specials would disappear

For normal special spam, poseidon and hera can be great on special

For o special spam, zeus and hera are great. Arc flash in particular is great for zeus builds

[vernal flower]

I would have thought focusing on attack would be the priority

[willow phoenix]

Nah all of your special gets replicated by the orb, it's the big dps

[vernal flower]

I did not know that

[bleak night]

Eos and Triple Comet is almost like Coat and Exhaust Riser

Like night and day when you find it

[vernal flower]

I've got like 400 runs and I've used eos like twice. Definitely need to give it another go

[bleak night]

It's annoying to play

[vernal flower]

I didn't realise it affected the special at all

[bleak night]

But ye you usually go Zeus Special + Arc Flash, only go Hera Special if it's Triple Comet

[vernal flower]

Good to know

[kindred stirrup]

just to check, is there a better way to deal with Eris' targeted/locked attacks than just standing far away and hoping for the best? Is evading them actually possible?

[spare kite]

The sniper shot? I kinda just vibe through it and keep dashing through her while attacking her and it often works to dodge it

Otherwise sprinting far away perpendicular to her is ez iirc

[lyric summit]

Anyone got any good boons/builds for Mel Blades UW? Trying for 50F but I almost always run out of time in Erebus

[bleak night]

Does the Blitz Special thing not work?

If not, just do Scorch Attack, usually good enough for UW without Freezer Burn

[lyric summit]

Ohh is it better to use Specials on Mel blades?

[bleak night]

Weave it into the combos. Blitz Special is really potent because you can toss it out at any point of the combo, and the returning dagger's backstab makes it all that much easier to pop the Blitz

[kindred stirrup]

Hmm okay, thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind. I just did my first surface run with frenzy on max and Eris was so frustrating

[indigo viper]

Sounds like both my 32 fear runs. XD
I'm patient, a win after a really long run is still a win.

[uneven palm]

Dash or dash-strike through her. When the reticle is almost back on you, go right back through her. If it’s been a few seconds, don’t dash-strike just to make extra-sure you’re invulnerable if she’s about to shoot

[glossy forge]

Old faithful for me is blitz on the attack plus static shock (53F with this), but I have now realized that scorch attack + blitz special in between each attack sequence is far better.

[sage flame]

zeus special always the answer

[cobalt shoal]

Anyone got a build to get Black Coat moving? I need to beat Typhon with it. I always play on like Heat 10+ just so I don't get used to playing without the timer, Frenzy and Pain. My issue is I always struggle with damage. I normally go Selene and omega special spam but idk, doesn't seem to do the trick

[sage flame]

the easiest way to do well is dash attack spam with poseidon and the exhaust riser hammer

[cobalt shoal]

Danke! Guessing with melinoë aspect for that

[hollow crypt]

#h2-victory-boasting message
I got this going

[bleak night]

ProjectileSuitCharged

[hollow crypt]

idk why it isn't Omega Attack

[late lantern]

Why did they changed staff special? It is so bad now 😭

[spare kite]

@magic moss staff special slander

[magic moss]

i will say, staff special is better but harder to use

so its understandable why people think its worse

[stable barn]

it's way too fast

[silent crow]

really?

it feels much easier to use now

[magic moss]

its harder to spam so you need to be mechanically better than the requirement for old special

[silent crow]

i feel like weaving it into combos makes much more sense now

[sage flame]

its a lot like blades special so im a fan

[rotund nacelle]

This is what I dislike most about the change. the old ricocheting special was weak at base but could take huge advantage of boons like Static Shock or Poseidon Special that wanted lots of hits. The new special is extremely similar in behavior to Blades special

[uncut raven]

Her sniper shot, as well as Typhon's long range laser breath are reasons I almost always run one of Selene's specific hexes to dodge those shots when they come thru. My fav is Phase Shift, but Dark Side, and Wolf Howl also work. Moon Water is a runner up if you get the path of stars that allows you to stack Moon Water uses.

Also definitely lots of dashing around her in circles as she tries to snipe you. I personally always run Blood Spree and some form of revenge damage in my builds, so that also helps a bit to constant regen + damage. If you do run Blood Spree, just don't get overzealous and think you're deathless Rambo, cause that will cost you death defiance against Strife, and later fights against the Automatons and Satyrs.

[spare kite]

Typhon's laser tongue has no hitbox in his face btw

[uncut raven]

Intriguing, so he cant be hit while he's using laser tongue?

[spare kite]

No, the attack can't hit you if you are in his face, bad wording from my part

[uncut raven]

My favorite aspects are Melinoe and Selene. I always lately run Blood Spree in my builds, Ares Boon that health regens per attack or special hit up to 40 health. It's the backbone of my current setup. I also do my best to get Steady Growth as well...after that, I have a system of boon prioritization I use to figure out what would fit in afterwards...and a full guide on the Steam Discussion group. My guide is one of the last posts in the thread. I'll link it here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145350/discussions/0/591766512413505007/

[uncut raven]

Oooooh! I love knowing this. Very useful info. >)

[weak hamlet]

Holy smokes torches with lots of Hera is a machine gun of violence

[spare kite]

Fine line gaming?

[polar ravine]

even without fine line its pretty decent............assuming you have the mana for it

[thin ridge]

Torches with fine line need a lot of regen yeah

[hollow crypt]

or just a good Born Gain

you already have Hera anyways

[stable herald]

Born Gain plus at least some max magick buffs. I wonder what the math is on how much effect magick Born Gain gives per how much you have

[uneven palm]

It’s not quite exponential but it’s a ton once you’re in the 200s of max magick

[glossy forge]

Gaining magick with born gain is a quadratic boost. Assume a common born gain with 100 available magick. Fine Line + torches requires 18 magick per omega attack, so that's 5 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 18 uses. Now, add 60 magick, so 160 total. 8 + 1 + 7 + 1 + 6 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 42 uses.

x available magick, y primed with born gain. Let n = floor(x/y), so basically the number of times you can prime your magick before being unable to prime anymore. In the best case, your max magick is effectively

y * [-1 + n(n+1)/2]

If you want to be nitpicky, it's the above plus (n - 1) triggers of the priming that give you a free omega. As you can see, the formula is O(n^2), which just means that adding magick is quadratically effective.

[stable herald]

Thank you! This is great!

[rotund nacelle]

Effective Magik pool for Born Gain (lvl 1)
Max: 100 Common: 300 Rare: 330 Epic: 364 Heroic: 408
Max: 125 Common: 455 Rare: 497 Epic: 552 Heroic: 621
Max: 150 Common: 640 Rare: 702 Epic: 780 Heroic: 880
Max: 175 Common: 855 Rare: 940 Epic: 1045 Heroic: 1183
Max: 200 Common: 1100 Rare: 1212 Epic: 1352 Heroic: 1530
Max: 225 Common: 1380 Rare: 1521 Epic: 1695 Heroic: 1921
Max: 250 Common: 1690 Rare: 1862 Epic: 2080 Heroic: 2358
Max: 275 Common: 2030 Rare: 2240 Epic: 2502 Heroic: 2840
Max: 300 Common: 2400 Rare: 2652 Epic: 2964 Heroic: 3366
Max: 325 Common: 2805 Rare: 3097 Epic: 3465 Heroic: 3936
Max: 350 Common: 3240 Rare: 3580 Epic: 4004 Heroic: 4550
Max: 375 Common: 3705 Rare: 4095 Epic: 4584 Heroic: 5211
Max: 400 Common: 4200 Rare: 4646 Epic: 5200 Heroic: 5916
Max: 425 Common: 4730 Rare: 5232 Epic: 5859 Heroic: 6665
Max: 450 Common: 5290 Rare: 5850 Epic: 6554 Heroic: 7458
Max: 475 Common: 5880 Rare: 6507 Epic: 7290 Heroic: 8296

[grizzled tartan]

Are there any guides for high fear? The highest i have done was 32, but i want to try to get higher

[magic moss]

Mynt's Guide for General High Fear Surface: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1j7ktcd/a_50_fear_runners_guide_to_dismantling_high_fear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

My Guide for High Fear in General: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1j84kw5/a_fundamentals_guide_to_high_fear_by_a_50_fear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

My 50+ Fear Clear Tracking Spreadsheet where you can find quite literally hundreds of Vods and Victory Screens for you to see how other people are building the aspects along with Misc stats to see general core boon pick rates on the different aspects: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

General Keepsake, Arcana, and Vow Resources from a High Fear Perspective: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mD3_B1UgVrVTnQtYkqG0bZBmDATxh2YwwZCuqbMa9ks/edit?usp=sharing

[grizzled tartan]

Thanks!

[forest hinge]

hey so I've been doing a run specifically just to get Flame Walk, Hestia's legendary boon, and I've gotten 2 back to back hestia boons where i had nothing left to get except for coins

[magic moss]

if you have the pre reqs, you were probably just incredibly unlucky. Legendary boons have iirc a 10% chance of spawning regardless of what is left in the pool so you can get spared wealth even if the legendary is available

[median anvil]

how many active frames do chronos' instakill attacks have? is it theoretically possible to just dash through it on frenzy2?

[magic moss]

its not even theoretically, you can just dash iframe it straight up

[void idol]

yes you can do so even on no frenzy

you can also use cast and that one arcana that gives speed and invulnerability when you cast

[neon crown]

although its not really what you're asking for, Artemis O-attack can parry the hit too

[willow phoenix]

Gale too and athena stuff

[random scaffold]

Guys any good speedrun build ?

[glossy rivet]

does winner circle rarity affect the speed for cast circle expiring?

[willow phoenix]

Yes

[glossy rivet]

non omegas included? so better winner circle rarity makes heph cast clang even faster then

[uneven palm]

Yes it does

[late lantern]

man dagger just feel like a worse version of cloak, granted I am a special spammer

[willow phoenix]

Counter point, there's pan for o special and normal dagger special is way better imo

But yea the base dagger o special isn't really that good lol

[uneven palm]

Blade regular special is chef’s kiss though

[late lantern]

pan's gimmick just feels like cloak with extra steps and the range isn't as good

[spare kite]

Lol

[thin ridge]

True

[thin ridge]

That’s what casts are for

[gleaming bay]

could I get help on what's the most methodical way to play h2? what I mean is the most "cozy" way for a lack of words, the least button smash build

[bleak night]

What weap do you use

[gleaming bay]

I have access to sickles, axe, and the staff, I honestly haven't get used to any yet

that's part of the question

[bleak night]

Might need to unlock more then get the aspects before you can find something truly methodical, but generally Axe + Aphro/Hera/Apollo can be that for you because it's bad to mash the Attack button on that thing

[thin cloud]

Whats a good flourish boon to put on aspect of medea? is apollo good?

[gleaming bay]

sounds good, I tried the axe only to check the update and felt more "stable" than the other weapons for me, I'll check the cards too

thanks

[bleak night]

Zeus best one, everything else isn't even close

It applies Blitz before the attack explodes, so with enough damage it just autopops a new Blitz with each combo

[bleak night]

Yeah, if you need any Axe related tip or whatnot just lmk. I'm really good at the weap

[thin cloud]

So I hear people talking about boon pools based on the gods you take blessings from, how does that work? Is it weighted?

[thin cloud]

of course it wont give it to me now lol

[bleak night]

People do Zeus keepsake starts for the most part

[spare kite]

If you take a god they are added to a pool
Once 4 gods are taken the rest disappear from the run

Notes: arty/hermes/selene/and similar don't count for this pool

[bleak night]

Can force 5th-7th gods with keepsakes in the new regions though

[spare kite]

^ also sometimes mid shop/hermes shrine can cause bigger pools

[bleak night]

But generally, the game tries to give you 4 main gods, then it removes the rest and only spawns those 4 unless you force a new one

[spare kite]

So basically
Before pool is full the odds are equal for everyone, no extra boost to the ones already in pool

Once pool is full the odds for who you want is a lot better

[sage flame]

moros or medea

[mossy yoke]

what aspect of the black coat is least bad rn? mel?

[spare kite]

Ye

[dreamy thicket]

Does Trick Knives also throw out an Athena Phalanx Shot?

[dreamy thicket]

Just got the combo really quick actually and the answer is NO

[celest dune]

My apologizes for bothering anybody here, but I'm trying to get my first victory and I need advice.

I'm currently at my 25th Night and I can't seem to beat Cronos. I literaly arrive at the House of Hades with 2 Death Defiances and he still manage to mop the floor with me.

Currently, my strategy/build is :
-a maximum of Zeus boons and Centaur Hearts
-the Twin Torche, aspect of Melinoe, with one or two Daedalus Hammers
-during the fight itself, I try to stay close to Cronos, I get the feeling his attacks are more dangerous at mid-distance

Is there something I'm doing wrong or am I just "bad" at this game?

[charred lintel]

whats happening in the fight itself? which attacks are hitting you?

[sage flame]

zeus is def the right track, but theres a lot that goes into a build

ur arcana matters a bit and a mix of gods is good

[celest dune]

@charred lintel it's mostly his attack when he throws hid scythe in a demi-circle. Or when he rushes with his scythe. Therefore, my main reflex is "When he throws an attack, rush behind him where he can't hurt you"

@sage flame I have a lot of Arcana actives, and I manage them pretty well. I use the Furies mainly.

[sage flame]

generally u just want a single zeus attack or special and some other status curse on the other to activate origination

[celest dune]

I use Origination. To activate it I mainly use the Keepsakes : first, at the beginning of the Night I take the Zeus Keepsake and the at Oceanus I use the Aphrodite Keepsake so I can have 2 curses

[sage flame]

awesome!

[celest dune]

As I said, I suspect this whole affair is just me being "bad" at having the appropriate reflexes in the Cronos fight.

[sage flame]

perhaps, but its an easier fight if you have crazy dps

have you gotten the duo romantic spark yet? it gives a really big damage increase to blitz

[celest dune]

No and I admit I'm not certain of my method to get it. My strategy is that no matter my build I always aim to a Duo Boon.
But despite my uses of Keepsakes I've never got the Zeus/Aphrodite boon

[sage flame]

any core zeus that gives blitz and any core aphrodite

[celest dune]

I admit my DPS is just...it's just straight up bad most of the time. I try to make it right with the help of Arcanas but I don't have the reflex to use my glyph enough.

But thanks for your advices.
It drove me to the conclusion that I just lack the good reflexes, and my build is not to blame for my defeats

[uneven palm]

You're super early, don't sweat it. For Chronos most of his attacks you dash through him. If you're approaching him and you're not sure what he's about to do, stop a few paces in front of him. Pretty likely he throws the scythe boomerang and it'll go around you

[celest dune]

25 nights is early?
I thought most of the players beat Cronos around the 20th night!

[uneven palm]

it varies. don't sweat it

Just try to learn something each run

[celest dune]

I'll do my best about it

[uneven palm]

Like you're making it to Chronos. You'll get 'em

[celest dune]

I hope so. Before playing the game I watched some videos of Haelian about it, I thought I'd get my first victory around the 20th attempt. But ok, I'll take my time

[twilit heart]

Upgraded Melinoё skull plus Daedalus for +2 ammo and autoreturn. Everything else is up to taste, but i prefer Apollo's boon for attack

Easy 200-600 DPS

[slate pine]

what's a good xinth build? i really dislike this weapon but i'd like to clear 32 on the surface with it. not sure if i'm just using it wrong but it feels like the special is super slow and misses half the time

[wise idol]

dash strike poseidon with exhaust riser is the strongest build with coat, but requires quite a bit of setup

romantic spark is a bit easier and still quite strong

[spare kite]

@spring holly get enough dps to race the tail or at least something like divine dash

[thin ridge]

Haelian has like thousands of hours, most people don’t even make it to chronos before night 30 probably

[neon olive]

Never really tried pan knives, does anyone have good build suggestions?

[thin ridge]

A good hammer for knives in general is trick knives(hammer)

[neon olive]

Is knives better with on-hit or % damage? (I'm assuming on hit)

[spare kite]

Yeah

[thin ridge]

Poseidon is my go to special for it

[spare kite]

Go pos special

[thin ridge]

Try to get slip

[neon olive]

Slip x hestia cast is always a go to on any weapon for me lol

[thin ridge]

Cast on pan isn’t too important

Just pick the one required for certain duos

[neon olive]

I'd love lethal snare for pan probably but Artemis is so unreliable 😔

[spare kite]

Why snare

That's attack only

[neon olive]

Boooooo that's right rip

[uneven palm]

Just get a magick pot and Killing Stroke instead

[void idol]

do dmg bonuses like origination, tall order, and the furies apply to blitz dmg

[junior trail]

yes, blitz is affected by global dmg increase

[tawdry wave]

does the engraved pin prevent the effects of Strength?

[willow phoenix]

Technically yes, but currently it's bugged to only remove the damage reduction part, the damage buff stays

[tawdry wave]

i see

[celest dune]

Eh, true. I just beat him for the first time this morning (I live in France), it was my 31th attempt.

[past pewter]

For anyone who’s done both, how hard is 50 fear compared to 50 heat

[spare kite]

Uw 50f is easier than 50 heat

[past pewter]

damn

[spare kite]

Surface 50f I'd say is harder

Tho that's on vibes, I don't wanna do 50f surface lol

[past pewter]

No more AP op i guess

[uneven palm]

I’d say 50f surface is a little harder than 50 Heat h1 yeah. Underworld is more chill the hardest part is getting out of Erebus

[bleak night]

50F Surface will be easier than 50H once EM is out for sure

because you can just remove Fangs, cut down timer, cut down Hordes, whichever counts as 6 or 10 depending on if you wanna just do 3 or the whole 4

[uneven palm]

Man no hordes 1 fang surface 50f would be orders of magnitude more chill

[timber pawn]

Until em 3 prometheus sends you to the shadow realm

[uneven palm]

Oof yeah they’ll probably just have the bird out all the time to drive me insane

[magic moss]

yknow i just realized once 1.0 releases my workload with the sheet might actually drop since the goalpost gets moved up

[bleak night]

60

[magic moss]

[past pewter]

Interesting that fangs would be one to remove

Compared to h1 BP being one you max pretty early

[bleak night]

the Fangs in this one are kinda turbo cancer is all

[split igloo]

how do people get there knives to seek? iv seen people do it

[magic moss]

Aspect of Pan

[split igloo]

really? im using aspect of pan around rank 3 and they dotn seek yet

[magic moss]

they only seek on enemies within your cast

[split igloo]

ohhhh

thatnks

[atomic ibex]

Read the aspect descriptions in the menu when you pick a weapon, its very helpful

[restive bolt]

playing strength but being the worst eris fighter known to man

i just want to get fig leaf, i'm begging you

[bleak night]

Do you need tips on the Eris fight ?

[restive bolt]

i would really appreciate that, i am mostly playing any of the axe/coat aspects and i struggle with her patterns and especially the final phase

[bleak night]

Oh, I have some runs up for all aspects if you wanna see how I deal with her on each one

But, generally, it's just knowing the timings of when to rush towards her and dash behind her, because she has really terrible turnrates

Also if you see no openings and she's taking aim at you, make sure to use the pillars with apples on them for cover

Generally the same playstyle for all weapons for the most part

[restive bolt]

yeah, are those linked somewhere in here? i would love to see it

[bleak night]

https://youtube.com/@Myntkaramell/videos

I should do more runs soon

Haven't played in a good bit

[glossy hollow]

Ayy you're the High fear guy

Doin gods work my man

[bleak night]

ty

[magic moss]

the high fear guy lmfao

[main beacon]

https://imgur.com/d1dAnmj

is there a max limit of boons?? it seems i have a full suite