#h2-builds-and-combat

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elfin forge
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how high fear are we talking about

sinful moon
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0-10

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For now warming up for higher need to unlock some things first

elfin forge
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yeah you can do god keepsakes then

signal coral
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I mean even on 50 fear you want to start God keepsake

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It's just much more reliable to have the god you want

elfin forge
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in general though, important keepsakes are gonna be Zeus, Ares, Athena, Knucklebones. Antler is good if you're good. Moros pin is good if you might die a lot.

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Hammer is decent as well

sinful moon
signal coral
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Dem heph hera are the most common

sinful moon
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So moros pin to clarify

signal coral
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And Athena I guess

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Just in terms of general keepsake use

elfin forge
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you could do 3 god keepsakes -> knucklebones but that becomes less feasible as you climb fear

signal coral
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That's fine on every fear tbh

elfin forge
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Phial is also quite good before you reach scars 3, don't underestimate it

civic ocean
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Its also good at scars 3

signal coral
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If you go 3 god/Athena into bones and you die it's probably not because you trolled your keepsakes

civic ocean
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The healing isnt the important part

sinful moon
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I usually do 2 God keepsakes, then Athena/third God keepsake on some builds (charon for geyser spout if I didnt get it yet e.g.), then flex

signal coral
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That keepsake load out is just fine on any fear

civic ocean
elfin forge
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red onion makes me dislike taking god keepsakes

sinful moon
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So i need 2

signal coral
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Usually most recommended builds only have 1 or 2 gods that are core

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And everything else is flexible

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If you need 4 specific gods obviously the odds of that is fairly low

sinful moon
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Yes and getting hera in location 2 is usually required

elfin forge
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you do like, zeus hera, or zeus pos, or zeus aphro, or zeus everyone lol

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hera isn't as important as you think she is, though her boons are strong

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you can get sufficient AOE with others

sinful moon
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Ares is another one, sometimes I want to force a duo... Lets say I have blitz... I really like aphro then

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Anyway I got enough to play around with thx ❤️

lunar kiln
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ares dash gets interrupted by +770% stutter sadge

analog quail
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are people actually doing science with bridal step lmfao

junior trail
elfin forge
tall notch
bleak night
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Nope, idt the fear level being discussed just necessitates Hera asap ig

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She's still a shoe-in for most high fear runs

lunar kiln
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wait wtf is the prereqs for bridal glow

junior trail
lunar kiln
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oh im stupid i accidentally rarified a hera boon to heroic

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i had such a fun build too shadedisgruntled

prisma wind
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I mean,it can still be fun

cinder palm
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Did the dash bridal glow thing lol, you can really tell when I got divine dash and became invincible bouldy

prisma wind
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What the hell-

barren badger
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Does anyone know what the little skull icon with a halo thing is when you make an attack does?

spare kite
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Wait not death what's called now

barren badger
spare kite
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Night? Crit chance on omega combos

barren badger
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i think crit chance just displays damage with an exclamation point

spare kite
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Is the skull next to the charge bar of the omega

barren badger
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its near the top of your head yea

spare kite
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Or just check if you have the night arcana lol

barren badger
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Is omega combo different than omega move?

spare kite
barren badger
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so just rotations.

spare kite
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So like O cast > O.special would make the special have crit chance

barren badger
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😆 seems like charron axe just keeps getting stronger

spare kite
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It doesn't work with that lmao

barren badger
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i mean omega cast circle and then omega special on charron axe combo

spare kite
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Charon doesn't deserve 15% nat crit chance

spare kite
barren badger
spare kite
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It detonates as if were an omega one but you aren't using the actual move if that makes sense

barren badger
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oic

sage flame
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if u channel ur omega cast and then ospecial and do that cycle, does the cast explosion have a chance to crit? after the first time of course. I've never tried it

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I severely doubt it'd be worth it cause that's prob lower DPS

bleak night
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The dash button on my fave controller just turbo sunk after that stutter step run lmao

spare kite
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Lmao

uneven palm
bleak night
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I opened it up and replaced the rubber on the sensor of the button, apparently it just melted because it become disfigured

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it was on the dash alone, the other 3 were still fully intact lmao

sage flame
bleak night
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Alright, completely fixed. My controller is meant for a Switch, and it had a Home button that had no use on a PC game, so I just moved the rubber on there to the dash ChillBar_yay

bleak night
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nvm it's broken again after one run, grand.

silent crow
sage flame
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get a flight deck instead

bleak night
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I'll get the same one since it's a lightweight third party cont

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this one lasted me around 18 months so it's not the worst

viscid wave
magic moss
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Momus deserves more

last cape
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Which hammers do and don't work with the dash strike on the coat?

spare kite
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Armor shred doesn't which is important

last cape
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That's unfortunate

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but you can just hit the regular attack. I'm being offered reaper frame and rapid frame on a poseidon build, does attack speed do much for the dash strike or am I better off with reaper frame?

barren badger
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Are there any conditions to trigger elemental boons from spawning in? or is it just rng?

last cape
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Not the full requirement but some of it

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You can view the prereqs of whatever boon you're hunting in the codex

barren badger
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So then I guess its pretty difficult to get the chaos elemental boon since you need to hunt for chaos element

sage flame
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yeah usually it's 3-5 of the element the infusion needs

barren badger
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and just keep going through chaos gates

spare kite
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Min elements for the infusions to be able to show up

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Except chaos cuz I forgot but is only 1 pretty sure

sage flame
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for chant it's gotta just 1 porpol otherwise it would be ridiculous

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what is the purple chaos element called lol

spare kite
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Aether

willow phoenix
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It's a shame that Aether only gets used by Chant from Chaos which is very rare

spare kite
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Also funny that chant has rarities

willow phoenix
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On some runs you can end with like 6 Aether with nothing to show for it

sage flame
spare kite
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Also the variance too

sage flame
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WHY CAN YOU GET 2 AND WHY AREN'T THEY NORMAL INFUSIONS

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is it because the curse part of it also matters for rarity and %?

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chaos so weird lol

silent crow
spare kite
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Curse never affects rarity unless barren

sage flame
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great

silent crow
spare kite
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Barren is always heroic chaos

sage flame
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yeah but it even says "infusion" on the boon why can't it behave like other infusions and have pink text and everything

silent crow
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😼

spare kite
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I have another with blue text lol (and no hera infusion)

sage flame
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my poor mortal brain has no way of comprehending the vastness of ideation that chaos creates i suppose

spare kite
silent crow
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not the formatting on the dmg numbers 😭

spare kite
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Rip in peace spiteful strength

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Also what is that dmg taken on chronos Jesus

silent crow
spare kite
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So true

silent crow
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i didn tknow anyoneplayed moros on patch 1

spare kite
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Nah patch 1 I played Oldeos

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Also there's keepsakes/aspects art so it can't be

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06/06/2024

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Yeah patch 2 lol

sage flame
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toula my goat

barren badger
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Does anyone find dash boons to be pretty useless? I usually just find them meh, couldn't care less about integrating into build.

willow phoenix
civic ocean
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I like Blinding Spring and Passion Rush a lot for different reasons

willow phoenix
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https://youtu.be/BD5BdP4DsSY

I tried recording Fire Walk vs Prom for all of his moves. It really only works for the fire left behind on his fire ring and fire eruption move

Not related but I just realized that his ground pound ring thing is totally safe inside the ring lol similar to Hecate ring

YouTube
ChickenSoup
Hades II - Prometheus vs Fire Walk (Hestia Legendary)

Seems like Fire Walk only reduces the fire damage on the fire he left behind on the fire ring and fire eruption move

▶ Play video
barren badger
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Would -100% damage taken be a halving or all damage goes away. Like 100% is a doubling.

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Is the percent changes on some sort of logarithmic scale?

fair horizon
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-50% is halving, the -100% of a quantity is equal to zero.

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The equation is +G% = quantity * (1 + G/100), and similarly -G% = quantity * (1 - G/100).

versed locust
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Sry for the late reply

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Mostly on the omega moves

fading shore
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i had 4 star antler

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snowqueen and trusty shield

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my strongest crit was like 600

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with heroic lvl 2 hera attack and dashingheave

elfin forge
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how long did the fight take

fading shore
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idk longer than minute

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i just died to tail

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i had 2:30min left for typhon

elfin forge
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tail is always gonna be pretty tanky, isn't it?

fading shore
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and my dmg wasnt even close

elfin forge
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let's see how the goat does

fading shore
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like i had 50% crit

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10+ power for attack

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perfect hammer and strong heroic attack

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thats second time btw im dying to tail with axe

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this dash build works pretty good but boss dmg just isnt there

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i had like 1:30 min for prometheus and i ran out of time

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i was sure im gonna win this run cuz its was actually blessed

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circe disabled hordes

elfin forge
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Mynt has extra dose from apollo?

fading shore
elfin forge
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hm you're probably right

fading shore
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Mynt killed tail in 30seconds

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my tail had like 60% after 30 seconds

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and i wasnt making mistakes

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just dash attack dash attack

elfin forge
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and proccing origination?

fading shore
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i died just because fight was too long to fight it with antler

fading shore
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i had arctic ring and hera attack origination up time was 100%

elfin forge
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it does really seem like extra dose is helping a ton here ngl

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lemme count how many times it procs lol

fading shore
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axe is hard

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reseting for hammer takes so long sometimes

fading shore
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i dont think horde stoped working for thessaly

elfin forge
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yeah I know, I think circe disabling hordes might be bugged tbh

fading shore
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im pretty sure horde disabled only in olympus

elfin forge
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it's kind of hard to confirm

fading shore
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i had room with like 20 zombies

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i just dont know what to do now
axe has insane dmg for early so when i have a good start im always getting to prometheus at least

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but in the summit dmg just dissapears even tho i taking antler

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maybe taking antler was a mistake cuz i had like 500 hp i think

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forage healed me for 100hp

elfin forge
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maybe it's the aphro dash lol

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aphro dash + ddash in Mynt's run does 25% of the damage for the run

fading shore
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still i see like crazy 2k dmg crits in mynts vod

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i swear my biggest crit was 600

fair horizon
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Mynt's big crits seem to come from Dionysus boon (his power drink), otherwise it was the same as you

elfin forge
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oh my god you're right

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+100 power

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wait no it's for the next move only, hm

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wait yeah it is, the spikes are after a swig

fair horizon
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still most of Mynt's crits were on the 600 range

fading shore
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its probably abussed by dashing heave

elfin forge
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like if you watch the tail kill, mynt gets a huge spike right after the drink

fading shore
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+100 aplies to every hit

elfin forge
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yeah

fading shore
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i mean drink was obvious

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sadly i dont have vod for this

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cuz u cant truly see the difference

elfin forge
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drink->1172, 2049!, 2049!

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5k damage in a single dash strike

fading shore
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btw this dmg is kinda nuts

fair horizon
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drink your grape juices kids

fading shore
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why +100 power is so much dmg

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1172 base its almost 10x more dmg

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how

elfin forge
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tallying up all sources of Mynt's damage gain: Epic apollo +2, heroic passion rush +3, Divine Dash, common heph ring, Antler, Dashing Heave, Epic Extra Dose +2(about +13% chance?), epic nitro boost, Martial Art(+15%), Huntress, origination, Bottomless drink, strength

fading shore
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oh right

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huntress

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i have lovers and i cant turn this off

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im not that good to do hitless 50f

fair horizon
elfin forge
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man one grape juice, crit dash strike is like 20% of tail's healthbar

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also I'm pretty sure sometimes, they just combine damage numbers

civic ocean
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Yes, the damage numbers are sometimes combined

analog osprey
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does hestia cast charge persephone skull?

wild swan
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I don't think so, alas

analog osprey
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thanks

polar chasm
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Can aetos take the divine vengeance damage? Cause I swear Prometheus's health did not change after I kept taking hits from the eagle (can only dodge so much at once)

spare kite
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I assume the lightning goes to aetos yeah

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Same when gale blocks an aetos hit

polar chasm
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Gale is more for any damage to be fair. I'll see if anyone agrees in feedback cause it wasn't a fun discovery

signal coral
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Pretty late but I consider aetos a stage hazard, so it makes sense that vengeance boons don't work on him

wise reef
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does anyone know if Ares' boon "Single Elimination" affect guardians?

atomic ibex
wise reef
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damn better than i thought, thanks🙏

calm swallow
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If I’m trying to clear 32 heat on the surface and take Black Night Banishment from Circe, that would no longer count as 32 Heat, correct?

fair horizon
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Still counts

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Only for personal pride it wouldn't

magic moss
void idol
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does aspect of nyx work with zeus special and romantic spark?

glossy rivet
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Fellas whats a good aspect/weapon to spam heph special? Staff maybe? Gonna try pommed heroic heph special

calm swallow
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I had a really fun run with the Mel Coat and Heph special

uneven palm
void idol
polar chasm
polar chasm
bleak night
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YOOOOO THE RAKI VS TYPHON THING IS FINALLY DONE

steady crater
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So cool

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Is this a 40% i see for hasty retreat ? I see 24 boons so that means it's +1.65% per boon ?

bleak night
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dunno it's not mine sorry

bleak night
steady crater
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Ok makes more sense, it's 1.75%

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So to get it, you want hera keepsake, get a hermes boon you want to pom, get a boon that's unpommable then hera bridal glow ?
Wasn't there something like you need a hera boon before bridal glow ?

bleak night
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need the unpommable and the Hermes boon before you get bridal glow. Takes a long time tho

polar chasm
steady crater
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Long time of restarting, not in-game right ?

polar chasm
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Oh maybe

bleak night
past salmon
steady crater
willow phoenix
bleak night
bleak night
willow phoenix
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lol insane

bleak night
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tbf I was only there for about 45 minutes total but that was going on the whole time lol

steady crater
spare kite
polar chasm
past salmon
polar chasm
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Incredible

spare kite
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Wait raki typhon? 😭

past salmon
spare kite
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Yeah I saw the img but didn't notice the dmg dealt lol

bleak night
indigo badger
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question, how does the boon "success rate" work?, it just adds a flat 50% chance to any chance effect or it multiplies any chance by 1.5?

steady crater
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So typhon has ~65994 life

steady crater
indigo badger
spare kite
steady crater
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What chance gets added up ?

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Oh crit
I guess after

indigo badger
bleak night
spare kite
indigo badger
spare kite
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If you pick up success rate the new % is reflected on the boon btw

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For example white antler keepsake will say 39% crit with common S.rate

indigo badger
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wonder if it intereacts with Raki and Thanathos aspect

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because it either does, or im getting hella lucky

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im saying that because the chance didnt get increased on the "boon" descriptions

polar chasm
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With phase shift, does it also help with the memory game? Dunno why I just thought of it cause sometimes a little extra time helps from the top to bottom sequence

fair horizon
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Feels like it only messes the timing and the animation/hitboxes. I find it easier to time my dash when I forget.

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Otherwise you just have to remember 2 or 4 numbers (1, 2, 3) if you start standing on the first safe spot.

spare kite
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They mean when the next spot is at the opposite side

spare kite
fair horizon
spare kite
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The travel is always from the top so you squeeze some extra time

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Also dash through the flame while is passing, the tip is the only hitbox so you get a running start to the other side

polar chasm
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I know where to stand, just curious if phase shift gives some safety net in case

spare kite
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Depends on when you activate prob

polar chasm
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Oh I forgot about dashing out tbh that helps for sure

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Fair, the timing sounds like a pain

spare kite
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You have to account for the wind up of the hex after all

fair horizon
polar chasm
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Yeah among making sure you don't just catch the wind up where he's showing the attacks

spare kite
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If you want a hex safety net for it take wolf howl

polar chasm
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Yeah, glad I decided against it in the fight. Just good to talk through it is all shadethumbsup thanks for the tips!

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Oh I love wolf howl. I take it almost anytime it's offered

spare kite
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Or total eclipse if you have the luck to get the impervious node

willow phoenix
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divine dash also helps a lot with i framing the fire wave

spare kite
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does it?

bleak night
spare kite
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huh

bleak night
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idk if just a placebo but I legitimately feel like I'm ignoring active melee attacks after my dash because I have Divine Dash

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so the extended Deflect period helps a fair ibt

spare kite
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I mean it makes sense for normal attacks but if the attack can't be deflected I'd assume it does nothing no?

bleak night
spare kite
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🗿

bleak night
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try iframing the Chronos instakill a lil earlier than usual with Divine Dash and it still works

spare kite
bleak night
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big auto-forcers.

void idol
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casting with mental block is also very fun if Athena just doesn't give d dash

neat pier
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Does the 4 god boon rule also apply to non-standard gameplay boons like Hermes and Selene?

spare kite
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Hermes also has his own rules, normally only giving 2 boons in a run

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The existence of hermes shrines make breaking the rule a bit easy but that's aside

steady crater
proven shale
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask but what does alter ing your fate before runs even do?

willow phoenix
proven shale
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oh wait that's sick thanks

rich belfry
willow phoenix
rich belfry
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whaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt

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ok i need to lock in thats amazing

spiral kraken
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how good is the Eternity arcana really? should i be learning how to play without it to free up its points for other arcana?

willow phoenix
slate trench
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does local climate work with charon?

silent crow
fair horizon
slate trench
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ty

steady crater
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Doesn't vow of denial help for bridal glow madness ?

stoic badger
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Does Hearty Appetite go off current or max hp?

steady crater
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Max

civic ocean
spiral kraken
civic ocean
sage flame
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its nice if u get hit a lot while channeling

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but otherwise i dont think a lot of people run it afaik, but its good safety

steady crater
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I run it for the top row

uneven palm
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Like if it slowed you down too it’d be pretty Garbo like oh im gonna get hit while charging and really see it coming

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Like I drop Orig for Night + Eternity on aspects like Momus or Persephone where I’m getting big percentage boons for big Omegas and +50% from Origination isn’t gonna move the needle that much

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Then I get offered fat Zeus blitz and regret my choices

civic ocean
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Yeah I think its pretty decent on omegas I just like the grasp elsewhere

uneven palm
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Yeah like it’s hard to idk drop Lovers for it

steady crater
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Can you get bridal glow if you only have one boon ?

wise idol
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Yeah

shy quail
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I just got 5 duos, 1 legendary, and 2 heroics in 1 run lol

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on aspect of charon too

steady crater
# wise idol Yeah

Then you don't need to first take extended family then a hermes boon then bridal glow, you can skip the first boon
But i've never seen bridal glow appear when i have only 1 hermes boon

neon creek
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Does anyone have suggestions for fighting spawn of typhon? I struggle more with him than typhon himself

civic ocean
neon creek
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Yeah I think the stomp gets me a lot, dash into it?

civic ocean
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I dont know exactly how the donut stomp works but what seems to work for me is getting like an axe attack worth of distance and then dashing towards it or sideways away from the hitboxes I don’t remember

neon creek
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Gotcha

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Also what god do you guys like when playing xinth on the special?

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Aspect of Nyx in particular, trying to experiment with different ones

uneven palm
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Keep dashing through him and stay behind. If he does the big bull head charge, dash through and sprint to get out of the AOE

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Zeus Hera Poseidon Ares special all good there

uneven palm
sage flame
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i like hera on nyx special

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spread hitch easily, its like discount shimmering rockets

steady crater
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Even with gale

viscid wave
viscid patrol
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Any advice on good builds for fulfilling the Natural Talent prophecy (The one with no Active Arcana)?

sage flame
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thanatos axe prob

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hera attack or something, but depends on what ur comfy with

spare kite
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Mel skull works too prob

mossy yoke
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i ended up doing it doing a chaos trial on accident

spare kite
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That works too yeah lol

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If you can replay them already iirc the very first one has no arcana?

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The one with like 1k hp

hazy oar
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Question. Can Slip affects Geyser Sprout?

fair horizon
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Slip is global damage modifier, yes it increases Geyser Spout damage (but Poseidon is a bit inconsistent and Geyser Spout and his sprint and others won't inflict Slip).

crisp lantern
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s

tidal hinge
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Am I crazy or didn't one of the recent patches give 5 starting skulls? When did it become 4 lol

wise idol
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yeah trial of origin has sorceress, if you complete trial of humility it should give you the prophecy tho

wise idol
wise idol
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could def be a bit more clear but it is consistent

magic moss
tidal hinge
uneven palm
magic moss
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it was lmao

astral ember
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how does romantic spark interact with arc flash? i have blitz on mel torches and aphrodite magick regen, i already have romantic spark and just got offered epic arc flash. would it be worth taking it or should i just get the zeus legendary also offered?

sage flame
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i dont think it interacts

bleak night
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doesn't interact at all iirc

narrow crown
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Outside of core boons, is there a way to know in game which boons can't be added on top of each other? Like I assume you can't have lightning lance and glowing coal at the same time, but does it say that anywhere in game or even like the patch notes or something?

timid pier
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I don’t personally know if there’s a list anywhere but for that specific case,
if it modifies how the cast is placed it probably can’t overlap; others like that would be the Dio cast boon or the Hades cast boon

junior trail
sage flame
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yea omega cast boons are mutually exclusive, i believe local climate is allowed with them tho

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prominence flare, meat grinder, geyser spout are mutually exclusive

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seems to be a sorta hidden "omega cast effect" boon slot

civic ocean
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Local Climate is also exclusive with the ranged cast boons IIRC

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As an old holdover from a previous patch

willow phoenix
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Hostile Environment works with ranged cast now

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I don't know if new Local Climate still doesn't work with ranged cast

junior trail
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and local climate restrictions definitely need to be revisited, as they still follow the same list from the old version (no ranged cast and Tidal Ring)

cursive ruin
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Anyone know if seismic hammer gets triggered by charon axe special?

cursive ruin
fair horizon
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think so. yes, still not a particularly good boon to chase

at least currently you must pick Tidal Ring for prereq and hence no Arctic Ring

orchid cradle
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is prominence flare good with momus staff?

junior trail
orchid cradle
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ok

indigo viper
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How does Slips work in hades2?
Same as in Hades 1?

uneven palm
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It’s a different status. Slip is a small global damage boost. In h1 Rupture did damage as they moved.

minor whale
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heyo, i got a quick question, does the boon Nova Strike, you get from apollo also work with your "charged up " attacks, like the spinning move for the axe ?

vale mesa
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yes

uneven palm
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If something says “Attacks” plural, it’s regular attack and the Omega attack.

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All the core attack/special boons work for both

void idol
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does weed killer affect the extra o attacks from momus

ivory sphinx
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pretty sure yeah

void idol
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and can Athena appear in miniboss rooms in summit with her keepsake on

uneven palm
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I don’t think she’ll Divine Intervention a miniboss

ivory sphinx
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I like aspect of Momus is it the best Dps base kit?

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seems that way

void idol
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momus is very good boonless though I'll give it that

ivory sphinx
uneven palm
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That’s actually not the dream for Medea since you’ve gotta wait to pick up all 4 instead of continuing attack(s)-special rotation immediately

willow phoenix
junior trail
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is this frenzy 2?

olive tusk
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yeah, frenzy 2 gives 6 fear

willow phoenix
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oh does frenzy affect sun worshipper?

formal pulsar
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I thought res'd enemy with sun worshipper and the hex get all the buffs from your vows?

prisma wind
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Yes they do

junior trail
willow phoenix
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oh I guess that must have been it then lol

hexed field
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if I was going to go aspect of selene and get the path of stars bonus that gives skyfall the effect of my attack boon, what would be the best attack boon to pair with it?

willow phoenix
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So depends a lot on what you're planning to do with the overall build

hexed field
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ah I see, that explains why Apollo wasn't really working that well

willow phoenix
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If you're planning on doing O attacks also then Hera and Ares would be better

But if you're using O spec and O cast only then something like Zeus could be amazing

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Hephaestus could also be funny if you got blast to 2 sec cd

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Overall it's not that strong of an upgrade tbh lol

hexed field
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I know, just seems fun to make a build around it

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I've done all the strongest builds multiple times

spare kite
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I used it to mass spread hitch while playing zeus special for my 32f surface with it

uneven palm
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Hitch is good there. Or Zeus attack to let Sky Fall power Romantic Spark is very funny.

oblique seal
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I'm a bit confused how Scorch works. It says that afflicted foes take 80 damage accrued from it every second. What does that mean?

severe kiln
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It means that scorch builds up as fast as you can stack it, but the damage is taken (and scorch removed) at 80 damage/sec

oblique seal
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Ah, I see, thank you.

severe kiln
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The status remains until all stacked damage is gone

native edge
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Question about strength

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If you take death, and use all your dd, does it then activate

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That is what i assumed

spare kite
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Yeah

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But generally you want one or the other cuz is kinda expensive

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Great if circe does the funny thing for you tho

atomic ibex
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Yeah, Death + strength is a neat thing for Judgement runs, but that's about it

atomic ibex
spare kite
atomic ibex
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Deadnaming Arcana smh

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Shout out to my girl The Seer

indigo viper
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i did my 32 fear surface run. Can confirme - strenght > death.
Also Hera's boons are so ope - includes her legendary. xD

old epoch
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Question: Do you need to keep Blackened Fleece to keep the damage bonus? And does it stack with itself? Ex: taking another 250 dmg.

fair horizon
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No, the unequipped keepsake keeps track of the damage you've received, so if you notice that you've met the threshold (or are close enough) you can equip it. And no, the damage does not grow the more damage you receive after its effect activates.

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Ah, you mean whether you keep the bonus after unequipping, then again nope. The bonus is for having the keepsake equipped unlike other keepsakes like Moon Beam or Fig Leaf.

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According to the wiki, priming health with Ares gain boon helps build up the Blackened Fleece damage.

old epoch
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Very interesting. Okay thank you.

simple swan
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Hey gamers, who are some good boon candidates for Xinth? I can never get that thing to work real good. I mainly use Mel aspect

civic ocean
fair horizon
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in addition, with Mel coat you can go completely magickless too and prime all your magick, static shock is very good and if you get Zeus/Heph duo better (since going magickless might as well go Heph or Aphro gain for survivability).

simple swan
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Thank you both!

dreamy thicket
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Does Raki by itself open up Hermes to offer Success Rate?

sage flame
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I don't believe so, needs to be a boon

spice cave
# simple swan Hey gamers, who are some good boon candidates for Xinth? I can never get that th...

Demeter's Freeze effects work really well on pretty much any weapon, but what really makes Xinth pop off is the Hammer boon that allows the missiles to chain to other targets. My latest run, I managed to get that, Demeter's Freeze on Attack and Special, and Chain Lightning. I was zipping around each encounter cackling like a maniac as the enemies got shredded by missiles without being able to do anything.

misty mirage
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hey guys, new to this discord and I am a little confused about something. I have trying to get the pets and stuff but I have been struggling to figure out how to unlock the dog. Sorry if this is the wrong place to talk about pets but I saw someone else doing so thought this was the most relvent channel

uneven palm
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Use the three other pets (frog, cat, bird) in runs, taking care to use their resource gathering. Power up the pets some with morsels. Eventually Hecate will have dialog allowing you to recruit Hecuba and Gale

smoky seal
misty mirage
wide hollow
uneven palm
misty mirage
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thanks folks

formal pulsar
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okay it is not the best build but fourth degree with ares special is my favourite selene build by far

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fine line from hera makes a total melter

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also fourth degree should open up ares boons that are dependant on wounds since you can have without the attack or the special but you are locked from his t2 wound boons

uneven palm
spiral stump
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Quick q - if I have denial on, does it cancel out concave stone/not allow me to have 2 boons from it?

dreamy thicket
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If you already have 4 gods in the pool, is the Mystery Boon from the Hermes shrine guaranteed to be one of the gods you already have? Or can it be a rando god?

sage flame
sage flame
uneven palm
formal pulsar
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I know that you do get two boons from concave but I don’t remember if the second boon get crossed out or not. Meaning if you sold the boon, do you get it offered again or not

civic ocean
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Boons don't get crossed out if you take them

formal pulsar
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I meant for the second boon obtained from echo since you didn’t technically pick it but you might be right

spice cave
# smoky seal would ares work for misslie rico too?

Ares I feel is better for Axe/Knive builds. Wounds really needs you to be in people's faces more than Xinth allows you to be. That being said, if you can get the boon that drops a blade on everyone struck with your Omegas, hoooooo boy.

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Basically, the key to Xinth is to really focus on making your missile effects debilitate your enemies and then mop them up with your dash and attack.

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The blocking aspect of the Omega attack I've found to be somewhat unreliable, especially if you're using Eternity, so attempting to build around it has proven to be frustrating.

elfin forge
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so xinth you do special ares, zeus, or... hera? dem?

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maybe heph?

magic moss
spice cave
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I'd put Dem on top, especially if you get the splitting rockets Hammer boon. You can absolutely shred enemies with it and they can do nothing to you.

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Zeus would probably be second place though, any excuse you can get to naturally spec into Chain Lightning is great.

magic moss
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eh dem special kinda suffers from a damage issue as you get higher into fears

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like its excellent utility, but being able to kill things more efficiently is better

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zeus special also covers a huge weakness with the huge, that being poor guardian damage

junior trail
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zeus special also synergizes with posei attack, as you can aim for killer current/master conductor, its rly good with exhaust riser shadethumbsup

uneven palm
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Coat I’m finding like any combo of Poseidon/Zeus/Ares/Hera/Hestia attack/special tends to work out. Just did 50F Mel Coat with Hera attack Dem special and I didn’t find damage lacking

bleak night
uneven palm
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I’ll do that on Nyx sometimes

bleak night
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That aspect needs buffs badly

formal pulsar
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The swoooosh effect of sprinting into enemies with nyx is very satisfying tho

bleak night
formal pulsar
bleak night
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Honestly hoping Omega Boost has further interactions with your Sprint boon

civic ocean
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It’s kinda fun with night being able to mix omega sprint and omega cast atm is kinda sick

bleak night
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I tried the Night + Hostile Environment weirdness I was doing at first and it sadly wasn't doing enough damage, so I kept timing out

willow phoenix
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It would be really cool if Nyx instead spawns a shadow clone that copies your moves, since the buff name is Nightspawn lol

civic ocean
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It seems fine for 32 right

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But could be a bit stronger maybe yeah

formal pulsar
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A base coat with no aspect at all can probably do 32 fear fine just because the base coat arsenal is very good. But nyx does feel bad compared to Mel and Selene

bleak night
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I think what makes Nyx so rough is that Omega Boost is just something extra you have to think about if you actually wanna play the aspect

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if they didn't remove Smithy Sprint then it'd probs go hard tho

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but yeah they did move it there instead

magic moss
bleak night
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is there a point to that lol

magic moss
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they dont want to use skyfall/omegas lol

bleak night
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idk I'd really rather not play Selene if I don't start Moon Beam

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I guess they just wanna get the 18/18 down

magic moss
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yeah

civic ocean
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Let me know when you do 50 castless

bleak night
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probs easier than 50 boonless for Mini ngl

magic moss
silent crow
bleak night
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it's gated by how BAD the Omega Attack is though, so that's an issue in and of itself

silent crow
civic ocean
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There’s a couple bugs on the Omega Attack but it scales up Spout + Circle so it’s at worst mid

bleak night
silent crow
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maybe thats what im doing wrong

civic ocean
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Any of the special or attack clear 32 both ways with some praccy

bleak night
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usual dash attack shenanigans + Omega Special with cost increaser like Fine Line and Controlled Burn

silent crow
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shine boost affects the cast right?

bleak night
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Shine boosts Omega Cast, but you generally want Night on it anyway so the Hex auto-ticks when on CD

silent crow
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alright i will try a 50 with this information when i get home

silent crow
bleak night
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it's good on it ye

spiral echo
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help i need to find Belladone to unlock stuff like thanatos like (i like beyblade)
is it on the surface or in hell ?

spare kite
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The first darkness is given in a conversation with chaos then it can appear randomly when visiting them

spiral echo
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nightshade mb

junior trail
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you can find nightshade seeds in Erebus

spiral echo
formal pulsar
civic ocean
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For my 32s I do the punch but it is buggy at the moment some times you just randomly cancel it? But it does well with Omega cast core of Dem-Hermes-Poseidon for sure

silent crow
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but in biomes its like a blade oatk but 100 times worse

civic ocean
# silent crow on 50 i think the punch could be worth using in some bosses

I just like going for the 6x crits on the punch with Ares 2x chance

I think there are two main problems with the O-attack: one, it’s actually not super clear at all what you can or can’t block; and two, there is a small window where you can dash-cancel the punch, so you spend all of that mana for nothing

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But I actually don’t like the O-Special at all because you can’t dash during it so that’s how I like to play

spiral kraken
silent crow
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the range is really bad its like the slowest move in the entire game and the damage isnt all that considering the first two and on its own merit

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but fishing for a 1500 crit vs a boss could potentially be worth it

crimson glacier
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I don't stand there and wait for them to explode, but I often need a little time to get to an enemy; I like to load the skulls away from an enemy so I'm not vulnerable during the load animation, especially for enemies that can stunlock. The countdowns help me time everything.

light jungle
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What’s the meta right now? Also what’s the best build for lim and oros

magic moss
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meta for what

signal coral
viscid wave
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Okay can someone explain to my dumbass how burning desire (aphro-hestia duo) works? Like. Do I only have to apply one boop of scorch now? Like does it even matter/is there any point stacking it? (I have nothing rn that removes scorch). It says it has infinite duration and it's fixed at an 80 damage countdown so??? I feel like Im missing something here 🤣

spare kite
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Pretty much yeah, once is enough

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Can be worth applying some more if you can't re apply weak consistently

viscid wave
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It DOES seem to tick down and run out tho

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Wait. They might not have been weak'ed as well

spare kite
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Yeah needs to be inflicted weak to work

viscid wave
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If i had a brain I'd be dangerous

smoky seal
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hey how does xinth's missles work with heffy's and ares' duo?

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does the omega spec deliver individual blades per missile or just one blade for the whole attack?

spare kite
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Should be multiple? Probably not exact 1 missile = 1 sword if it has some internal cooldown or anything

viscid wave
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It kinda sucks, actually, in a way? Bc it makes scorch way easier to just boop and then noom and keep weak up but also...like generally if you're scorching you need to apply it quickly/repeatedly and this totally reverses that and makes any previous investment into stacking scorch kinda pointless

smoky seal
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time for testing

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typhon might be getting a surprise

pseudo sequoia
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either that or if you really want both freezer burn and pyro technique

viscid wave
smoky seal
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so as it turns out

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you can use coffin nail to proc multiple blades on a singular foe

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the onyl catch is the blade has to hit the opponent first before a new one spawns

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now only one question remains: what special to use?

spare kite
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Axe O.atk also works funny

smoky seal
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yeah but im thinking xinth with antler

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and ares infi-heal

civic ocean
bleak night
smoky seal
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yeah i took that

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also tryna get brave face

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trusty sheild also helps

viscid wave
civic ocean
viscid wave
civic ocean
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Unlucky

main beacon
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has anyone else been able to shoot 4 axe specials in one go lol

bleak night
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Yeah, it's fun

main beacon
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hammer upgrade + apollo legendary boon

viscid wave
main beacon
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its enough to spam casts 3 times while theyre going

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i can only get up to 3 in one special cycle

smoky seal
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Well xinth ares almost worked

rigid iris
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What weapon is best with Hephaestus ? He’s the one god whose boons I usually avoid

silent crow
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hephs offensive boons are bad for your main damage

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but if you put them on something u dont use that often they can help

bleak night
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I think Stamp Rush + Vent is underrated

silent crow
rigid iris
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Ah damn I was afraid of that, I usually relegate it to axe special or knife special when I’m forced to. Had a run with staff attack once with it and that soured me on him

silent crow
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stamp rush is such a dead slot if you dont get vent tho

silent crow
bleak night
rigid iris
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Baller, what about Zeus? I’d say he’s about equal in my avoidance

silent crow
light jungle
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What do you guys recommend for lim and oros? I’m trying to so surface 32

rigid iris
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I think I had lim and oros run with him and I really only felt the damage come from his primed boon.

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The old attack one

bleak night
silent crow
light jungle
bleak night
light jungle
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I used to use zeus when I started the I moved to demeter/aphro

bleak night
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I wrote it here for easier reference

light jungle
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Thank you

light jungle
bleak night
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What's up ?

light jungle
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Because I can literally not understand the comment…

bleak night
light jungle
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So you start with zeus keepsake and you want the special attack?

bleak night
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You start Zeus keepsake and you want Special, yeah. Then you get almost any Attack because almost anything works with Zeus

light jungle
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I’m lost bouldy

bleak night
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you can play for a lot of duos, and the scaling on it works throughout the run

light jungle
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That’s literally what I do… demeter cast + aphro attack + zeus speical

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I also do aphro regen

bleak night
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Focus more on tossing the Special than getting close

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I suggest checking the videos out on the spreadsheet, they're 50 Fear runs that mostly start with Zeus Special

light jungle
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My problem is in the new area

bleak night
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might just be a thing where you struggle against how the enemies act, because the build itself does massive work

light jungle
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It’s the new area for me

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Very punishing MelGrin

bleak night
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What is? The minibosses ?

light jungle
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Yeah

bleak night
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Ah, yeah it's a learning curve

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I just take Antler and make sure I have Hephaestus boons so I don't have to fight it for a long period. I just kill the minibosses within 5 or 7 seconds usually

light jungle
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I can do the surface easily with no skulls lol beat typhoon my first run but with 32 skulls sheeeesh

bleak night
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32F gets rough up there if you don't know what you're doing yeah

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If you wanna stream your run I can probs help you out

light jungle
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I’ll give it a try first but thank you very much

bleak night
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Yeah, hope you get the W

rigid iris
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Last question hopefully lol, which route is best for leveling keepsakes?

bleak night
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upstairs, just take every side room you can get in Ephyra

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also skip every NPC unless you need them for Prophecies ig

civic ocean
rigid iris
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Id say so unless I’m experimenting with Arcanas

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But I’m pretty content with my strength build

civic ocean
viscid patrol
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I am stuck.
Both paths have moments proving harder than I am currently able to handle.
For the Underworld route, I can't seem to get past the Fields of Mourning and its Guardian.
But for the Surface Route, I'm still very much struggling with the Rift of Thessaly and the headache on the Olympus side of it.

I know part of the problem is that I'm afflicted with the "Skill Issue" ailment.
But I'm hoping for some insight on how to focus my efforts.

viscid wave
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Wounds question: can it only be inflicted once every 3 seconds or once per foe every 3 seconds?

timber pawn
spare kite
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Light smite heinous wouldn't be nearly as crazy if it was a global cd

civic ocean
viscid patrol
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And my HP doesn't always last me to those encounters, either.

uneven palm
civic ocean
# viscid patrol I can just never seem to dodge their attacks, either of them.

Okay, some advice I would give then for each of them is to have one or two fights where you aren’t focused on dealing damage to them and just focused on avoiding it as much as possible

A lot of the times these bosses deal a ton of damage because they are catching you in the middle of an uncancellable animation or you are just focused mentally on your damage rotation so much that your brain isn’t registering that you are about to get mollywhopped

viscid patrol
uneven palm
round quartz
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Yeah, is you take blasts with something like axe, then you are losing a lot of damage from percentage boon increases
Unless you throw heph on special I guess

uneven palm
steady crater
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Any tips on shadow spiller (with frenzy 2 and shadow) ? And more generally, any tips for wailers ?
After doing 16 fear both routes, i tried 32 surface for some runs, then did 30 fear uw first try (i meant to do 32 but misclicked somewhere i guess)

Now I'm trying to train 32-ish uw, but with the vows that train me for 55 fear : all but pain, grit, hordes, scars and time

And i can't get past erebus

cursive oyster
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shadow spiller with shadows is really just a dps race, use your cast to stall the wailers from reaching you while gunning down the shadow spiller

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if you’re getting used to the vows that make the most impact on high fear turn on time 3 asap

steady crater
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I'll add time when i can actually clear a run, i'll just do it faster and faster

cursive oyster
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fair enough, playing around 5 min timer is one of the biggest things you need to do for 50+ fear

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what build are you running?

steady crater
cursive oyster
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wherever puts the most distance between you and the wailers tbh

steady crater
civic ocean
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Time 3 is less about play and more about decisions IMO

cursive oyster
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its both

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you definitely need to get good at clearing rooms efficiently

steady crater
cursive oyster
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in my humble opinion thanatos axe with hera attack start is the easiest way to clear at high fear, pan also works but you definitely gotta prioritize getting poseidon special, a good gain, and a good hammer quickly

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if you’re running void 4 pan becomes a lot worse due to no persistence/sorceress

steady crater
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Persistence for +40 magick ?

cursive oyster
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yeag

steady crater
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And born gain should be good for your than build right ?

cursive oyster
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if you do end up building around the spin, glamour gain is pretty great

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otherwise you can mash attack and things can die

uneven palm
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You can take pretty weak gains with Thanatos. Glamour Gain recovers while spinning, and Tranquil Gain recovers mid-spin if you’re not moving

uneven palm
steady crater
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Don't they have armor ?

civic ocean
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I dunno if I have been really lucky or something but I always feel like the spiller dies before the wailers really get to do much to me

uneven palm
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Ah the armored ones. Yeah just keep a cast down to keep as many off you as you can while you beat down the Spiller

spare kite
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@peak geyser Fwiw night bloom/sun worshiper summons also work mike frinos vs sheep hex

peak geyser
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ahhhh good to know. i dont usually take night bloom so never found that out

uneven palm
glossy forge
# steady crater Any tips on shadow spiller (with frenzy 2 and shadow) ? And more generally, any ...

At the start of the fight (after dashing through the shadow spiller's initial swipe), get your damage in before the wailers spawn. Once they're about to hit you, go to a corner of the space around the shadow spiller and lure the wailers towards you, omega casting in the meantime. Then, run around to the opposite corner and continue whaling on the shadow spiller, dodging its attacks as needed.

I say omega casting because it's a good use of your time at that specific moment. It'll dent their armor (if you strip the wards), and when they come back for you, you can pretty easily kill them off as you do your attacks on the shadow spiller.

For context, this is how I fought the shadow spiller for almost every aspect that wasn't axe on my 53 runs. The axe is just brainless; cast down to group them up, then omega attack to win.

viscid wave
civic ocean
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Has anyone else run into that fight with Shadows turned off and stood around like an idiot after the spiller died wondering why the room wasn’t over yet

sage flame
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yeah lmao

viscid wave
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Every time 🤣

vagrant kernel
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Hey, I’m trying to beat typhon with the black coat but I’m having some difficulty with finding a good build for the fight, does anyone have any recommendations

willow phoenix
# vagrant kernel Hey, I’m trying to beat typhon with the black coat but I’m having some difficult...

Depends on what aspect

The easiest build to make for mel coat is probably just Poseidon on attack, Zeus special, static shock, Heph stuff, and maybe master conductor + killer current if you get it. Just spam dash attack especially if you get the dash attack hammer. You can also fit Ares in here somewhere for Arterial Spray

For Selene usually I like spamming o special and o cast with it so go moon beam first to get the purple upgrade on Sky Fall, then something like Zeus on Special, Winner's Circle, and Geyser Spout for o cast damage. You can also do O attack build with Apollo attack

Honestly though if you can beat Prom with a build then that's probably good enough for Typhon. Just don't get greedy and get hit by him since he hurts a lot. Typhon can be free if you know what to do against him

steady crater
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Just to make sure i haven't missed anything dumb : is there a way other than hitting to see which hecate is the real one ?
I sometimes see a speech bubble on her head but not always

junior trail
spare kite
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With headphones you can use the audio too

void idol
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i just got a tartarus with zero extra chambers, is this a bug

junior trail
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no, it really do be like that sometimes

void idol
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that feeling when you don't get double strike the entire run using all your rolls only on trying to get it

steady crater
spare kite
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Yeah

uneven palm
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Yeah the stereo audio gives the general direction. I usually just go to the farthest one. You can also poke at em from a distance if you have a fast ranged move (like Blades special). Or there’s more esoteric stuff like the coat O special rockets or the Eos daybreaker will veer towards the real one

sage flame
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also usually the real one will pop in slightly before or slightly after the clones which is a weird thing to notice but it seems pretty consistent

willow phoenix
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Momus with Premium Service goes very hard, kinda insane how much better this is compared to other aspect with Premium Service lol

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I want to see how Momus with Apollo leg, Heph leg, and mirrored thrasher would look like lol

spare kite
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Yeah not a lot benefits insanely from it lol

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Mel skulls return to pre hot fix power per shell which is cool

void idol
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it doesn't help much cause the double hit doesn't work on the secondary hits from momus's

willow phoenix
void idol
junior trail
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exceptional talent doesnt affect momus

void idol
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I've never actually aimed for it on anything other than pan

willow phoenix
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huh only mirrored thrasher? That's a weird distinction lol

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Exceptional Talent is kinda buggy on some O moves too, like coat special and skull special doesn't get double hits afaik

inner tendon
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Upgrading Argent skull to be like a shotgun with a daedalus hammer has got to be one of my favorite builds in hades 2

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With hestia scorch it literally just melted any enemy lol

glossy rivet
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where do i get enemies with slicer armor perk? for the bared fangs prophecy

bleak night
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probs just quit out and redo it if they don't show up again

sage flame
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the root tendril guys in erebus also can have it

viscid patrol
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I appear to have a unique strain of the "Skill Issue" ailment.
I can't get past the Fields of Mourning, nor the Rift of Thessaly,
but I managed to fulfill the Natural Talent Prophecy.

steady crater
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If you apply 40 scorch, it will have dealt 40 damage in 0.5s right ?
So it's worth it for fast weapons like blades ?

void idol
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it's basically never worth it cause most damage bonuses like origination don't apply

#

it can't crit either

#

better off using poseidon or even aphrodite

final bridge
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Anyone had success clearing 32F surface with axe?

void idol
final bridge
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Sure, let's go for it

signal coral
void idol
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so frenzy 2 probably isn't worth it but the other vows are up to you.

mel axe with aphro attack and ares or blitz special with any curse applying cast.
look for percent damage bonuses like shameless attitude
a good combo is attack attack special

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this has worked for me upto 40f cause it's very straightforward and easy to use

viscid wave
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Guys, for Duo boons: can they all be offered by either god of the pair (once you meet requirements obv) - or are there some that can only be offered by 1 god?

void idol
final bridge
void idol
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also if you see psychic whirlwind pick it cause it's great if you have a semi decent magic regen like glamour gain

signal coral
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whirlwind hammers are much better on thanatos than mel

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mel axe really wants dashing heave and seething marauder

viscid wave
final bridge
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Glamour has been my go to for axe because of origination. Also thanks @signal coral I'll give it a read

steady crater
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Are auto-fire and aim assist actually used ?
What is auto-sprint btw, just noticed i have it on

signal coral
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auto-sprint just makes you sprint after you dash without needing to hold the button down

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its whatever, you can use it or leave it off

paper plover
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Speaking of axe what is the "flow" supposed to be? I can't seem to get in a good routine of when to use atk/spec/omega and it always feels clunky

signal coral
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aim assist is basically mandatory on controller, you can turn it off with kbm

void idol
signal coral
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auto-fire I remember being really buggy in the earlier patches and I turned it off and never turned it back on again

void idol
signal coral
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dont use the big bonk unless its very safe

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mel axe usually doesnt channel omegas that often, typically only for room clears while waves are spawning

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thanatos can use the big bonk a bit more safely

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and also uses omega attack more often, so instead of attack -> attack -> special you can do attack -> attack -> omega attack depending on situation

paper plover
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I'll give that a shot thanks

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I could never get the hang of Arthur sword in h1 either so it may be a slow weapon skill issue

fluid flare
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What special should you go with aspect of charon?

void idol
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apollo or hera or ares

fair horizon
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Anything but Hestia and Poseidon works on Charon special.

signal coral
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demeter is best but anything that applies status is fine

void idol
signal coral
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aphro cast is one of the better casts for charon

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hestia is fine too

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most of the damage from charon comes from the omega cast explosion and origination, the actual cast itself doesnt matter as much but you would like it to apply status so origination is easy to get

viscid wave
# steady crater Are auto-fire and aim assist actually used ? What is auto-sprint btw, just notic...

I will use auto-fire to save my poor crunchy, scrunkly fingers on my steam deck - but only for certain weapons. I flip the button-mapping for attack/special depending on the weapon, and I'll toggle on/off auto-fire depending as well. Usually if I have a set-up where I primarily use o-attacks I'll turn it off and vice versa. It's much nicer just mashing and holding down a button for, like, the blades' flurry attacks

fair horizon
# void idol and aphro

Aphro's good too, super chunky at point-blank and if you go for Geyser Spout could try for the duo with Poseidon on dash/cast/attack. If you've got her cast you also have a chance at her legendary for auto Origination.

The other one that's not very good is Hephaestus unless maxed leveled + Vent + Grand Caldera.

steady crater
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How do you keep from specialing into attacks with skull ?

viscid patrol
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Looks like the Umbral Flames are my weapon choice on nights when I am not up for playing along with where Grave Hunger is.
I just got out of Oceanus with all of my death defiances intact.
Wouldn't it be just like the fates to have it be the first time I get past the Infernal Beast to be a time I had Toula accompanying me?

viscid patrol
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Hera Attack on the Umbral Flames is kinda busted, ngl.

uneven palm
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You can keep a cast between you and them, that’s often enough room to maneuver too

steady crater
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Sometimes the shells don't come back, i guess when I'm too far
How do you special away ? When i special it attracts me towards the skulls

signal coral
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just press a direction and press special?

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i dont think special has autoaim, it just goes in the direction you are pointing

steady crater
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Ah
Right
I thought it would go in the direction Mel is facing

Like the dash

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Well that's annoying for mouse
To have to change the mouse direction quickly is too much for me

viscid wave
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Okay peeps, I want to try some new stuff/feel like I'm always doing the same thing over and over:

What is your favourite build! Doesn't have to be hella meta/overpowered, just what you find most fun.

I dont need all the Deets either/u dont have to write an essay - just a quick overview of what's necessary to make it work.

sage flame
signal coral
sage flame
spare kite
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Hmmmm slowdown

signal coral
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zeus boons are just really good right now, you can play him on most aspects and it will be good

sage flame
spare kite
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How much do you need for min cd special?

sage flame
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too much

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I dont think I've gotten special down to 2 myself

spare kite
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Attack is like heroic lvl 5?

sage flame
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smth like that

signal coral
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9/7 poms for special

sage flame
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brutal

signal coral
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for epic/heroic rarity

sage flame
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echo please save us

signal coral
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attack is 6/4

steady crater
faint pasture
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Hey, haven't played since the Olympic Update
What op\fun builds should I try?

steady crater
sage flame
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i suppose, tho with non medea I think I usually special in the same direction I attacked in

steady crater
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How does wide grin interact with mel skull ?

timber pawn
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You do not get the power boost

forest hinge
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any cool Ares build ideas anyone?

signal coral
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Just take his attack or special on anything and it's fine

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You can do some funny things with blood drops and blades if you really want to build around something but in general his most powerful thing is just taking attack/special into double damage

sage flame
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def go for an ares duo, they go hard

#

dealers choice

rich belfry
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so how should i play with the flames ? never did a run with it till now so whats the build ?

forest hinge
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does the per-target cooldown for Ares' wounds count for origination?

rich belfry
sage flame
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they have vfx on them to indicate wounds

forest hinge
rich belfry
misty skiff
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What does Hermes' boon Racing Thoughts do? the description says "your omega moves are faster". Does that mean I channel faster? Does it mean the animation of the omega move happens faster so that I can use the move again sooner?

cursive oyster
forest hinge
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I've been using Strength arcana by just not ever activiating Death for Death Defiance, am i basically just crippling myself?

misty skiff
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the charon axe omega special takes a long time to channel. Anybody got tips for avoiding damage while channeling?

steady crater
forest hinge
spare kite
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Basically yeah

fair horizon
# misty skiff the charon axe omega special takes a long time to channel. Anybody got tips for ...

If you map the special (or dash) button somewhere comfy (a shoulder/trigger on controller), it's very satisfying dashing through enemies or their attacks while charging the special.

Assuming you have Lucid Gain. If you start from outside the cast you can dash into the cast while charging your o-special and detonating almost immediately. If you start in the center of the cast you can dash sideways (left or right) and Mel will still land inside the cast (having Super Nova also helps). This way you have infinite magick and a good measure of safety.

You can also dash while charging your omega-cast (not relevant with Charon but nice in general).

You can also activate the Eternity arcana which gives slowmo while charging.

Otherwise get stuff that increases channeling speed like Sudden Cleaver, Racing Thoughts, Chaos' Revelation, etc. You still want to learn enemy patterns and improve your positioning in relation to enemies.

forest hinge
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ok I've been sleeping on Ares, or maybe just his duos, or maybe both, but that was the fastest and easiest surface run ever, the only time i didnt struggle on the final surface boss

severe coral
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quick question since i forgot. with medea, when you add a few attacks and then do your special, which technically hits first?

spare kite
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Special

severe coral
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bless. thank you

forest hinge
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oooo thats means you could do Blitz special

severe coral
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yeah, i was trying to remember, cause zeus popped up as my first, and i was trying to remember how i used to do that (took a few months off from playing)

spare kite
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Yeah Zeus special is best in slot

severe coral
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it's basically guaranteed proc

forest hinge
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on Moros torches: Zeus special or attack?

spare kite
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Special

rich belfry
spare kite
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You just said it yourself

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You are hitting the enemy with the special which causes the attack to detonate

rich belfry
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oh i should try it for a run

spare kite
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Medea is pretty fun yeah

forest hinge
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just so I'm clear on smth, Scorch is like a resource you build up on the target, and then each second: if the target has at least 80 Scorch, that much Scorch is dealt and detracted from their counter?

uneven palm
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You got it. No matter how much Scorch is on there it ticks down 80 per second, dealing that much damage in the process. Pyro Technique can speed it up

formal pulsar
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do attack speed buffs work differently on different boons or is it my imagination? i feel like rapid slash (+30%) buffs attack speed much more than epic nimble limbs (+20%). the difference doesnt feel (to me) like just 10%

forest hinge
meager bramble
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Any Typhon tips? I've beaten him once but not more, just get overwhelmed by the massive damage. Do I need to turn off Fury 1?

willow phoenix
willow phoenix
nova nimbus
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anyone have arcana advice? id love to use strength on my DD-less build but i also play with eternity/messenger/etc too often to figure out what to axe

meager bramble
uneven palm
meager bramble
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I've dropped Artificer lately and though I do miss it, I'm not sure I'm doing noticeably worse for it 😄

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Reroll corner really is so godly

uneven palm
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Yeah most of the cards are honestly decent. When I mix things up and use a few different ones it's like "oh these are nice tho"

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I only do Artificer for 50F underworld. 3 goodies are nice of course but you have zero control over 'em

meager bramble
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But my gambling though 😩

quick crescent
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i have been converted on the nature of the melinoe blades

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blitz special and backstab is good, plus i accidentally'd my way into the ares zeus duo and light smite

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my hammers weren't great but wicked onslaught is actually pretty neat for wounds on attack

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+70 power and the percentage increase are a nice little cherry on top

uneven palm
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Heinous Affront + Light Smite goes so hard

quick crescent
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light smite and divine vengeance :D

signal coral
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zeus is broken on everything

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i am increasingly becoming zeus pilled

polar ravine
#

so is it just me or even with strength the surface bosses do a surprising amount of damage.

signal coral
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surface bosses do a lot of damage

polar ravine
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like even with strength up was eris deals 50 damage per bomb layered on top so it hit me more than twice which killed me super fast.
its a simple attack to avoid normally but jeez i didnt expect it to deal that much even with strength

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thats without the vow that increases damage

uneven palm
#

everything on the surface hits super hard, yeah. the bosses just get silly

forest hinge
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I’ll be honest I’ve never used artificer other than for activating smth else like Queen(?(the duo boon arcana))

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Could someone tell me exactly how Artificer works cus on paper it sounds kinda ehhh to me

signal coral
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minor reward is metascaling currency like ashes, bones, and nectar that dont do anything in the current run

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major reward is everything else (heart, mana pot, boon, hammer, coin, pom, etc)

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works 3 times per run at max rank

forest hinge
signal coral
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its independent

mortal vine
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I have come to the conclusion that do not currently have enough skill to beat firehawk guy and that I will have to rely on a filthy dodge build, because that's what worked the first time in Hades 1 and it's gonna work now.

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No insult meant to anyone however that actually likes said filthy dodge build.

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Apollo and Aphrodite, here I come! And a little Hermes sprinkled in.

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Can't hit what you literally can't hit.

void idol
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or try moros with zeus special, arc flash, double strike, hera attack and spam o special then o attack then repeat when o special runs out

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oh and born gain

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you can basically stop thinking, and button mash and damage race your way to glory

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or try getting as much money as possible and rush Hermes legendary

mortal vine
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that is indeed what I was doing prior

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spin to win bzzzzzzz
prior to that I was abusing axe special, but then again, who wasnt pre-nerf?

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you know what screws me up the most? the instinctual need to go to the areas that flash during prometheus' fight

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and not the areas that dont

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supergiant games, kindly make the safe area flash green if you please or another reptile brain pleasing color that indicates I should move there

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because I are dumb

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that should help with the memorization

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or maybe just make the safe area itself just flash

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I know I should think harder and I apologize

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but it messes with my head as if it's opposite day

willow phoenix
mortal vine
void idol
#

what aspect did you use

mortal vine
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thanatos

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spin to win combined with MC DADELUS TIME

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You cant get more braindead

void idol
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mel torches with zeus special and arc flash

mortal vine
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well it may have cost me my dignity and self respect but honestly, fair tradeoff

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I do not care, I finally effing won

spare kite
mortal vine
#

ty

void idol
mortal vine
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the image is in victory boasting, I apparently cant post it here

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oh we be getting to that eventually

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that will require a LOT of practice

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I tend to get hit via glancing blow

spare kite
#

Purse on summit?? 😭

mortal vine
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Hermes was there I needed money

void idol
#

why not knuckle bones or Athena or literally anything else

mortal vine
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because I wanted the sash but I also wanted to stack boons

bleak night
#

Purse is just 1 boon no ?

mortal vine
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I felt as if my choice was bad when I did it tho

void idol
void idol
bleak night
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haven't used that keepsake in a long time ngl

mortal vine
#

I dont even remember, lol

spare kite
#

I use it sometimes on olympus

void idol
#

like why would I ever use ghost onion

spare kite
#

Also it apparently works with quick buck

bleak night
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I just manually levelled everything by keeping the same keepsake throughout an entire run a long while back

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Oh, does it also work with the Chaos blessing?

void idol
spare kite
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No clue, it doesn't work with the poseidon one

void idol
mortal vine
#

well anyways Hecate commondeered the cauldron after I walked away from it so no seeing if Chronos can perma-die via whatever Typhon left behind for now

#

Im

void idol
#

isn't that entropy which isn't in the game as of now?

mortal vine
#

gonna go sleep

bleak night
#

also not a bad idea to do your Heph blast runs with it

bleak night
mortal vine
#

oh okay great

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she uh was kinda upset Melon Girl almost died fighting papa monster

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anger born of worry

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nearly flipped her hat

void idol
bleak night
#

Honestly, a good idea to do rn

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I'll do a for fun Blasts run with all the Blast duos when I play again on the weekend

void idol
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yeah but that required an insane amount of luck and using specific keepsakes do i cant use it to level up other ones

spare kite
#

I do all blasts with eos

bleak night
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unironically, it's how I got the Mel Blades Zeus Special start thing, I was trolling in 24 and it was abnormally quick and easy to build around, so I tried it in 50 and I won immediately in one go

void idol
bleak night
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I mean if you're doing like super low fear you can probs just beat him with anything no ?

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less gimps on yourself + less boosts on enemies should do a ton of work

void idol
bleak night
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do maybe 10 just for the fun of it

void idol
bleak night
#

probs do max frenzy and full judgment unless you need the rerolls immediately to build a fun build

void idol
#

i don't think I've ever touched vow of void

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i want to try a 5 fear run with just that

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any tips for which aspect or build i should aim for

bleak night
#

probs what you enjoy

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I do think Arty Blades is nice if just 5 fear

void idol
#

maybe with seven minutes on? possibly 5

bleak night
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probs just do 7

void idol
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cause it's the slowest aspect in terms of dps i think

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and like a scorch attack with freeze special with freezer burn and cold storage for funny-ness

spare kite
void idol
spare kite
#

I think I have reached the point where I will just tell people skill issue if they suggest antler changes

void idol
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and no heph cause that's basically cheesing it

spare kite
#

Antler only works once

void idol
bleak night
#

Used to work for all 4 regions before CB_laughing

spare kite
#

Also re: heph
What's the point lol most people already love his defensives

bleak night
#

But yeah, Antler in Summit with no Heph or Dem is possible, I managed to do it

spare kite
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That they are just more effective with antler is not my issue

spare kite
void idol
junior trail
#

i wonder if antler might be too powerful if they change from hp cap to hp prime