h2-builds-and-combat

[signal coral]

wait how does god keepsake work with onion?
if I pick hera keepsake for example, it will force the second god to be hera?

or does the keepsake forcing the god to appear get wasted on the first boon and after that is rng on whether i see hera again?

[sage flame]

yeah onion doesn't eat up the first god priority, as long as you take the next boon that show up afaik, it's a little murky to me but it's worked so far

rolling the first major reward you see is worth it to find the boon

for some reason it doesn't always turn the next major reward after onion into a boon 100% of the time

[untold zodiac]

giga moonburst, vicious flourish, ionic gain, burnt offering, cut above, heart breaker, righteous pike, lightning lance
pretty good
i wish i had Eternity instead of Artificer

[obsidian remnant]

i’ve actually been wondering this too - it seems to work in ephyra. if you get an onion in the first room, you’ll often get them for the second but you may need to reroll once. i’ve never had to do it more than once tho.

i wish i knew if it worked on other areas. if i do a god keepsake in ephyra i’ll take athena’s for thessaly but usually i want to take another god in olympus to fill out my build

if you take artifice and manage to get a minor reward room before the god room you can sometimes proc an onion but i know taking the god keepsake forces the boon door to show earlier sometimes so idk if that’s possible with the keepsakes

[formal pulsar]

I just finished doing 32fear surface on all aspects, and I wanna progress through the fear. what do you guys recommend working with first. I already did runs with full wards/hubris so I can add these. I am curious which to work with first hordes, pain or full scars. I am not sure about hordes with wards simultaneously with the 5m timer

my vow setup https://imgur.com/Qvl8u1p

[jovial pivot]

the time fear gives me anxiety and I start playing worse

[sage flame]

just get enough health to tank past timer

[uneven palm]

Keepsakes still work with onion. When/if you are eventually offered a boon as a room reward it’ll be the keepsake god

[uneven palm]

I would not be crazy about hordes or wards until you have no choice. Start adding some pain IMO

Or a little grit isn’t bad if you can handle Typhon

[uneven palm]

After taking the onion, I mean

[hexed field]

how does momus interact with giga moonburst?

does it work the way I'm hoping it does?

[fair horizon]

Yes

[civic ocean]

I think high fear times for me are like…

Erebus 4:30-5:10
Oceanus 2:30-3:00
Fields: 4:00-5:00
Tartarus: 2:30-I am dead

So usually I end up with like 4 minutes or so to do Chronos?

My recent clear with Excellence and Unseen arcanas on Momus I ended up with like 4:40 left on the clock but that was an extreme highroll, like one-shotting second phase Scylla and killing p2.2 chronos in like 3 moves (night + chaos chasm + geyser spout)

[civic ocean]

I recently did a progression from 32 to 50 in underworld and though we have some different starting fears, I ended with Pain, Grit, and finally Hordes. So I think I would start with maxing scars and then adding debt and then wards

[formal pulsar]

do you recommend progressing through the underworld first? or just do progression on the surface?

[civic ocean]

Surface is waaaaay harder but I mean anything post-32 statues is just about what brings you joy playing the game

Like the game does not care what you do after that, if you want to try and winstreak 32s, speedrun 32 all 6 weapons under/surface, do 50 surface, 50 under, it’s truly about like what you enjoy about challenging yourself in the game

[formal pulsar]

Trueeeeee. I think what I really want is to get one 50 fear surface clear. So I will try to get to that!

[obsidian remnant]

that's what i'm working towards as well!

[sage flame]

I gotta run the surface more man I don't think I could even do 40 surface yet

[paper moon]

I'm struggling with choosing a boon for umbral flames special. Someone got a recommendation? Aspect of Melinoe

[fair horizon]

Almost anything works. What are you planning outside the special?

With Mel Torches you can also purely focus on attacks + cast, e.g.: Zeus attack + Demeter or Hestia cast.

Get the Clean Candle hammer, if you get Hera and good magick regen, Fine Line is strong and also Zeus' Power Surge.

[spare kite]

if you wanna do special could do zeus special into the aphro duo

[signal coral]

ironically even though mel torch is advertised as a special-centric weapon, it plays better when you just spam attack

[spare kite]

cast o.special then run around

but also yeah fine line + righteous pike is gg lol

[paper moon]

Zeus Cast and Hestia Attack. I want that Origination bonus damage from two curses

Oh yeah Hera Special could be awesome!

[fair horizon]

Hera or Ares would be nice

With that build you could also put Zeus on special, you get origination from scorch + blitz too

[paper moon]

Oh yea I know, thanks for the tipps!

Haven't found a lot of Ares boons that I like so far though

[spare kite]

He's a really strong support

(and also direct dmg lol)

[fair horizon]

You usually want his Wound curse + Grievous Blow + Blood Drops. Grievous Blow is a second tier boon and requires a source of Wound, it's basically a budget crit chance, very nice.

His duos with other Olympians are also nice.

[signal coral]

i think hera on mel torch is best

born gain/fine line are both great, and hera attack is no slouch either

[formal pulsar]

For mel torches fine line builds, does it feel like explosive intent deals less dmg than you think it might?

[uneven palm]

I’ve been finding explosive intent pretty mid these days

Except as a Righteous Pike machine

[last cape]

Yargonaut is incredibly hard on 32 fear, I don't think I've beaten him yet with 40% speed and shadows

It turns into a bullet hell

[uneven palm]

Low key taking the melting hammers is not a bad idea

If offered. He’s got a zillion armor but very little actual health

[formal pulsar]

It also helps the dragon mini boss on Olympus that feels like it has a billion armor

But it feels bad to take a hammer that is useless in other cases. I never feel bad if I get from experimental hammer tho

[sage flame]

unless your build is super hammer reliant it's honestly worth cause armor shows up everywhere except bosses obv, and hopefully you have a better answer for those with the rest of your build

I've come around on melting hammers

[uneven palm]

Yeah on the surface they’re good takes. Armored dragons and sniper bots are horror shows

Or those Typhon wolf head adds must have like 10000 armor

[civic ocean]

Unfortunately every time I take the melting hammer on surface I get no ephyra miniboss, charibdeez nuts in thessaly and then Talos and the haters on Olympus

[uneven palm]

Honestly taking out Talos’s buddies in a blink is still worth

[civic ocean]

Yes true its not as free as the dracon but it is still really good

[uneven palm]

Not as satisfying as deleting the mega dracon

[amber dagger]

Talos hits like an abusive parent I swear

[hollow tendon]

is there any way to make legendary boons show up more often? i get the prereqs but then im just not lucky enough for the legendary most of the time

[plain grove]

I hate the Umbra Flames. Will someone please help me? lol

It's the weapon I enjoy the least. How do I make it fun?

[formal pulsar]

Hera keepsake. Get born gain, attack and fine line and hold the attack button. Clean candle hammer is cherry on top

[plain grove]

so extra magic, and jsut hold attack? lol

[civic ocean]

The main thing about the flames is that you have high mobility while you’re attacking and benefit a lot from things that trigger “every time you use an omega move” or similar effects

[plain grove]

Those count for the attack? Interesting! But that means I have to be careful of things that make it cost more magic, right?

[civic ocean]

Balance that with your max mana and your gains yes

[plain grove]

Ahhhh cool! Thanks

[uneven palm]

Yarns of Ariadne and Chaos favor boons help

Final biome minibosses have greatly boosted odds too

expensive final shop boons too

[civic ocean]

IIRC the highest legendary chance is from the midboss in Tartarus (and presumably Summit?)

And then, weirdly enough, it’s actually just regular ol boons. Other minibosses have a lower legendary chance IIRC

[stray notch]

https://imgur.com/a/tSWLFO5

Am I missing something for Charon axe build? I cant beat Eris so i take I'm playing it wrong somehow

[formal pulsar]

you arcana is fine (except maybe huntress, it doesnt do anything on charon) if you are struggling with hitting her consider eternity till you feel comfy with the aspect. remove huntress and wayward son if you do that

[stray notch]

I simplyn take a lot of damage... I probably position myself poorly cause the enemies are eating me alive

[formal pulsar]

you can dodge while charging up the O special.

but dont dodge too early because you mainly get one dodge

[stray notch]

Eternity works like a charm tbh :3

[civic ocean]

Huntress wayward out, lovers or artificer in probably lovers

[stray notch]

What sorry? ^^"

[hollow briar]

Swap Huntress and the Sprint Speed increase for the one that slows time while charging imo

[civic ocean]

I would turn off card 2 and 3 and turn on card 15

Depending on your build and how much you focus curses you can also turn off card 14 and add card 18, 8, and 2 as well

[hollow briar]

Huntress already does very little for Charon and the time-slow warrants taking off one of the 1 Grasp cards

[cursive oyster]

tart midboss is actually the lowest legendary chance in the game lmao

5% compared to the base 12%

[civic ocean]

Oh is the speedcord wrong? It has tart at 20% leg and the rest of the minis at 5

[cursive oyster]

it has a 20% duo chance iirc and a 5% legendary

they might have changed it

[upbeat oar]

I had a really interesting build today. Ares specials, scorch attack, freezing cast, and Glamour gain for applying weak.

proximity Weak kept scorch building with their duo, blood drop increased strike speed pushing scorch higher, freezer burn let me suddenly melt the enemy.

I also ended up with crit chance increase in casts from Artemis and 43% chance to do double damage on wounded from ares. I wish I got a screenshot/recording, but I think I had a 20K damage with my freezer burn.

[civic ocean]

Erebus Miniboss base values:
Rare: 90%
Epic: 7%
Duo: 12%
Legendary: 5%

Oceanus/Fields/Ephyra/Thessaly Miniboss base values:
Rare: 90%
Epic: 10%
Duo: 12%
Legendary: 5%

Tartarus Miniboss base values:
Rare: 90%
Epic: 10%
Duo: 20%
Legendary:20%

this is from the speedrun discord but it is older ye

[stray notch]

Ares cast does not inflict a status anymore right? The falling blades are not doom as in hades 1?

[civic ocean]

Ares’ status is wounds

[cursive oyster]

i am likely wrong here tbh

[civic ocean]

Sword ring is insanely good on charon though you should take it if it is offered to you

[stray notch]

I was almost at Typhoon and all of sudden my whole mana was primed for no reason at all... i really start to hate charon tbh]

[woeful trout]

I'm having some trouble thinking out a for-fun build I want to make, based on final fantasy black mages--fire/blizzard/thunder core, and I've landed on Aspect of Momus for its fun area control and magey vibes. Where I'm struggling most is in boon makeup. Getting Zeus, Hestia, and Demeter to cooperate is proving as difficult as it may have been for some greek heroes, and it occurs to me that I don't really know the best-in-slot options for any of them. I've just been trying for scorch attacks, blitz specials, and freeze casts, hoping against hope I could grab extras like the fireball specials, lightning bolts on MP use, whirlwind sprint/cast, and this has been both, infuriating, and doesn't feel as efficient at demolishing bosses as other Momus builds that I've just lucked into. In my last attempt, I blasted through my rerolls by oceanus, and couldn't get zeus to just work with me until literally tartarus. I managed to scrape by against cronos still, but it didn't feel good.

[spare kite]

If you wanna mess with builds I really suggest going surface instead

[woeful trout]

Fair enough, any input on optimizing the vibes? trying to reach the duos is the point sure, but are any of them better than others? I've only seen the hestia/zeus duo that plays with scorch & blitz so far

[hollow tendon]

i was trying to get the double special from apollo for the axe but ended up getting a hammer upgrade that does the same thing so it worked out lol

[spare kite]

Hail storm is nice extra dmg especially with the aoe freeze of artic ring

Or you could go for the nuke of freezer burn (stack scorch with attack nuke with dem special)

If you get mirrored trasher you can have power surge for lightning in every attack, not really powerful but has the vibes

[woeful trout]

Thanks!

[surreal hazel]

Turns out the black coat can block Typhon's Chin slam, of all things

[plain grove]

just started a run with hera keep sake. 3rd room I got a hammer with clean candle hahaha

and jusr got Epic Born Gain haha

[stray notch]

Guys really, I had a perfect run and now my mana is primed and I cnat cast the special, what is going on?
https://imgur.com/a/7EKNigm

the previous room was working and now it isnt

I only put a pom on apollo cast size, but it doesnt say the it prime more mana

now I cannot beat eris without the omega special @_@

[spare kite]

are you using vow of hubris

[stray notch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-facepalm-wesly-crusher-worf-riker-gif-20876270

[spare kite]

also with 67 mana you should be able to cast it?

[stray notch]

It ask 70 mana

[spare kite]

oh wait is that giga cleaver + fireball from hestia, I can recognize fine line

[stray notch]

Yeah, was rocking the world, just nuking everything till now

and now I have to start over again @)@

[spare kite]

your hubris got you

[surreal hazel]

Just survive her

[stray notch]

quite litterally

[surreal hazel]

Eris is fine

[stray notch]

Impossible, I make 0 dmg

[surreal hazel]

You have an axe

[stray notch]

I can't dodge, since hades 1 I only do bosses cause i oneshot them xD

[surreal hazel]

Whuh

Eris is easy though. Just dash through her, answer to everything

[onyx jacinth]

o7 for Holydr4gon going out the same way Icarus did

[stray notch]

And I died as expected...

Removing hubrish crap, I rather have faster monsters lol

[onyx jacinth]

So, I just stumbled across one of the most cracked builds I have come to. It's prolly been done before but still new to me lol. I was on the Surface route, it was using the Aspect of Momus, Poseidon's Attack + Slippery Slope and Dash, Hera’s Special and Cast, and the weakest link was probably Aphrodite's Gain, but it still worked out for reasons I will mention later. All of these were uncommon rank or above, thanks to the Cards Excellence and Divinity. What I think really made the build a wrecking ball was the combination of the Mirrored Thrasher Daedalus hammer upgrade, the Uncommon Grace and Extended Family Boons from Hera, the Cards Night, Origination, and The Huntress, and a completely Maxed out Wolf Howl Hex.

With all of this, I shredded everything in my path right up until The Summit where I was starting to have issues with how much Magick I was using. The saving grace was getting Bridal Glow and it luckily latched onto my gain boon as well as getting one of the triple poms in the final region, so as long as I was hugging Typhon I was making back enough magic to keep destroying him.

I managed to kill him and complete the run in 29 minutes and 13 seconds, with zero deaths while playing pretty sloppily and taking way more hits than I normally would. Just felt like a complete bulldozer the whole time lol. When I try for this build again, I will probably look for Born or Ionic Gain rather than Glamour Gain, either way, this was amazingly fun. Would suggest anyone reading to try it if they haven’t before.

[stable lichen]

how do crits interact with grievous

is it 3+2=5x damage or 3x2=6x damage

i assume crits work like with other damage multipliers (3x at the end of the damage calc) with grievous?

[spare kite]

x6 iirc

[civic ocean]

Different bucket so it should be 2 x 3

[stable lichen]

damn, thats a lot

explains why artemis ares feels so good

[civic ocean]

IIRC Grievous Blow stacks additively with Mutual Destruction in terms of chance

[stable lichen]

how does grievous interact with regular damage then

eg with a 300% multiplier on your attack boon (e.g. flutter strike) is it 3x2 or 3+2

[civic ocean]

It works like crit it’s just a doubling

[stable lichen]

why is this so overpowered

[upbeat oar]

aphro's gain desperately needs a buff. I think larger gain + slower tick would be good.

[stable lichen]

nah its pretty good

its nice for origination if you arent using a magic eating build

[civic ocean]

I am not sure, but it’s definitely very strong! It also, wildly, applies to anything that gets hit while wounded, not the initial wound hit itself so it works I believe on basically any damage source?

[stable lichen]

aphro gain? i thought it just affected stuff near you

[civic ocean]

No im talking about ares

[stable lichen]

ah

[stable lichen]

yeah its basically "we have hunters mark at home" except it applies to the very thing it hits

[onyx jacinth]

Very much agree, If I hadn't gotten that lucky Pom and Devine Grace Typhon would have been an absolute slog since my Max Magick was around 315 by then.

[stable lichen]

aphro's gain isn't really for big magic builds though

it trades off gain for a status

[onyx jacinth]

Yeah, I am more just agreeing that it could be a touch more powerful. I ain't saying it is bad. Since I basically always have Origination active it is very nice. Its just that it commonly barely keeps up in my experince even when using lower magic builds.

[stable lichen]

ehhhh, i think it's in a decent place especially considering we have things like tranquil gain

[onyx jacinth]

fair enough. I might just be a touch salty since it was the weakest link in a fun build for me lol

[stable lichen]

in fact sometimes i actually look for a worse rarity aphro gain to keep huntress up in builds like than and artemis lol

[onyx jacinth]

valid

[civic ocean]

Glam and Tranq would be a lot better if not for the fact that you cannot regen mana while you are using omega moves

[stable lichen]

tranquil is a lot worse than glamour lol

[civic ocean]

If tranquil worked while using omegas you could regularly use it on charon for instance

[stable lichen]

id argue glamour could be a top 3 gain for me behind born and mortal

[stable lichen]

still leagues worse than lucid on charon

[civic ocean]

You actually can use it on charon tbh you just gotta stand still for a sec after you let the 2nd one rip

Yeah lucid is better though for sure

The regen boons are slowly being removed one by one

[stable lichen]

why would you use anything other than lucid on charon

[civic ocean]

I think most gains are fine it’s bot like charon is crazy mana hungry and putting dem or ares into the pool can give you some really strong duos and tier 2 boons like local and the sword stuff

Like I think almost anything other than the obviously bad gains are fine on charon

[stray notch]

btw I tried to take Ares cast but it doesnt inflict wounds sadly... I don;t understand why tho. Neither the blade rift does

[civic ocean]

Much the same reason aphrodite doesn’t apply weak on the strike, I would imagine

[stable lichen]

i guess it could technically work, but most are just outclassed extremely hard by lucid

lucid charon is functionally infinite magic

[civic ocean]

While lucid is obviously the best I think Nova is probably the best Flourish, and you can make a pretty good case to take Nova and deny Lucid and then take like Mortal Gain instead

[thin ridge]

He has 3 effects that vary, wounds falling blades or blade rift

[stray notch]

none inflict a curse afaik

[thin ridge]

Yeah I know

[civic ocean]

Wounds are a curse

[thin ridge]

Thats why I said effects cause not all of them are curses

[stray notch]

Ah sorry, I thought you were talking about ares cast, not ares in general

[stable lichen]

i mean if apollo's in the pool for spesh anyways, might as well take spesh and gain

with an extra boon you can get exceptional talent too

[civic ocean]

While that’s true normally sometimes you have to deny one with the vow on fear runs right, and given the choice between the two I find Nova’s ability to hit enemies twice more valuable than Lucid relative to other gains

Charon is such an interesting weapon - did you know that how close the omega special waves are to one another depends on the direction you do it in

[stable lichen]

yeah ig if you have denial on its a toss up

id still go for the gain though just because infinite mana seems too good to pass up

[stable lichen]

yeah

still dunno why the cast explosion somehow is wider horizontally

lmao why does the wolf howl slowdown work with psychic whirlwind

you can just get free damage from your omega attack during the slowdown when all enemies are slowed down but your omega attack is functioning at the normal speed

[civic ocean]

I think there is some kind of build with psychic whirlwind, hostile environment and eternity where you just alternate between omega attack and omega cast and during the slowdown the active moves shred the enemy

[stark mango]

any torch aspect of eos lovers/players here to share some opinions?

[silent crow]

its really good & fu n

very safe weapon

[stark mango]

i post a feedback on it just now, if you can see if you agree to it, so we can discuss XD

[simple plaza]

that sounds fun though

[dusky thicket]

what fear setups are ppl using for 32 heat/surface?

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[formal pulsar]

underworld runs feel so .... dull after getting used to ephyra lol

it is so much fun to have all these boon for your build at the start

[spare kite]

Mood

[shy quail]

i kinda just started

but why is the aphrodite special and the axe special so good together

[indigo badger]

i have question about how multipliers are applied, mostly in regard to flat amounts of damage being applied before of after the damage percentage

[spare kite]

With flat dmg do you mean +power effects

Or stuff like waves/blitz

[indigo badger]

stuff like the hestia infusion

[spare kite]

Aight power then
Before %

It ups your base dmg of the weapon basically

[indigo badger]

I see, also do dodge chance stacks additibly?, as in the dodge chance is a single total number or it goes by "if this one fails then it checks the other instance of dodge" or something?

[spare kite]

I still dunno tbh
Based on h1 it could be additive, dodge chance and daze from apollo don't stack tho

[indigo badger]

if its additive, then i had a build of 77% dodge chance

posted a screenshot of a dumb dodge build I was blessed with on #h2-victory-boasting

probably could have been higher, but i was not ready for where that was going

almost as dumb of that one time i managed to get 333% attack damage times 2

[shy quail]

woo I beat it and I just got the game on monday! (I already have 8 hours on the game)

but actually i think the aphrodite special and axe special together might be broken bc it gets the boost of them being close even when they aren't close at all and it lets me do like 1.4k per special

[graceful cairn]

hey ya'll. Im trying to learn more about builds in this game. Does anyone have a good resource? specifically im currently interested in playing with ares boons since he's new, but Im unsure of which weapons work best with him. The slower attack speed of the axe seemed to kinda work with the cooldown on wounds.

[uneven palm]

Ares is probably best offhand like Zeus. Like if you’re using Mel Axe put a bigger percentage on attack with Ares on special to occasionally apply Wound and access the double damage from Grievous Blow.

Or he’s pretty good as main damage on crit-y aspects like Thanatos or Artemis because grievous blow and crits stack for like 6x damage and those also very much appreciate Success Rate from Hermes

Or Medea or Moros attack that already have a big aspect damage boost, so they’re into the added power from Ares

[graceful cairn]

thanks, youve given me something fun to explore with my next few runs

[uneven palm]

Check all his duos in the codex they’re like all good to great. You’ll probably get some more ideas

[magic moss]

i alreaady have 114 clears logged

[uneven palm]

Ares brings everyone out

[prime ore]

gonna assume no but does archaic seal work with breath of eros

it specifies "duration" i guess so probably not

[uneven palm]

It does not. Archaic Seal is for things with encounter duration

[mental ore]

is the Atrophic chaos curse not supposed to give you your HP back after it expires?

[lone depot]

what do you guys think is the best weapon for 32 fears surface?

I tried the axe a few times but it feels too slow for the surface at that much fear

[timid temple]

wow blood spree is unbalanced

i can play like an idiot and clear chronos 32 fear

sanguinary savor def helped but still

it feels antithetical to hades 1 to have something that just generates infinite hp midcombat

[dry lava]

What is this build?

[dusk fern]

does anybody know how to change fonts in-game? im not really love ru translate name font, found one that fits og better, but not sure how to replace

really hope this fits thread since design is there lmao

[willow phoenix]

I found mel skull to be very safe and pretty easy tbh lol. If you're comfortable with Medea it's probably better too

They're nice as they don't care about magick so you can just ignore all the magick management

Pan should also be relatively easier than other weapons

[lone depot]

what about the fear? Which one do you think I should use? The increase enemy speed or all in the damage and health?

[willow phoenix]

Enemy speed definitely. Easiest way to play is clear enemies before they can do anything and enemy speed can be learned

One you definitely have to avoid is the more enemy numbers

More enemies and taking more enemy health in general makes it very hard to reach timer 3

[lone depot]

I'm still doing timer 2, 3 seems a bit too hard for me idk

I'll try removing the health and decrease the time then

[willow phoenix]

Try not taking ephyra extra rooms for timer 3, since the longest stretch should be in Olympus so you need to save time for there

[lone depot]

what about the arcana? Should I take them? and how much do you think will suffice

the reduce arcana used I meant

[willow phoenix]

Oh that's pretty harsh imo, for very little fear too. So don't unless you want to run a judgment run ig lol

[lone depot]

ok thanks a lot

[prime ore]

does arc flash not work with black coats special?

specifically when the special is applying the initial Blitz

[willow phoenix]

It should, since it works with torch special

[prime ore]

hm

[simple crystal]

the modding server pinned in #self-promotion may be able to help you out

[plain palm]

For Aspect of Selene, is it better to go directly for the Selene Keepsake or go with a god with Magick Regeneration first?

Is the Selene keepsake even recommended actually

[round quartz]

I personally prefer taking moon beam at the start of the run
Before switching it off to a god keepsake or Athena or fig leaf

[bleak night]

start Selene keepsake so your Skyfall is good from the start

[plain palm]

Ah got it thanks!

Wait you can get different hexes with Selene? I thought you'd be locked to Skyfall

[bleak night]

No, you're locked to Sky Fall, just that you want it to be potent out of the gate so it helps you with boosts to hit count, damage, etc

[plain palm]

Oh ok wonder what starting off with Moon Beam meant then

[bleak night]

hit count upgrades are preferable because it essentially increases the duration of the Hex

starting Moon Beam means you get like 8 or 10 upgrade points for Hex room 1, forgot which

[plain palm]

Oh that's the keepsake name I'm stupid

[round quartz]

Moon Beam is the keepsake name

[plain palm]

Confused it with the hex that gives you a laser

[round quartz]

That's Lunar Ray I believe

[drowsy coral]

So I'm quite curious, for those of you who are here often, what is the general consensus on xinth?

Because I'm not having fun with it in the slightest ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)

To me, Selene's aspect is just -okay- and I've found that losing out on Twilight Curse or Phase Shift to make it incredibly not worth it

Nyx's aspect is supremely not great, as the normal special on Xinth is just terrible, why on earth would you use the base special when you can pour rockets cheaply using omega. Sure its actually pretty good for the basic attack, but even then I find the basic attack to be super meh, its a 1-2 punch with no ending combo, completely unsatisfying in comparison to Malphon, the omega attack deals considerable damage sure, but the charge time on it, and trying to focus Hermes boons to speed it up just as a baseline requirement doesn't feel great. Which leads me to aspect of Mel, ah yes, I can't wait to absolutely fly into every enemy attack sprite on my screen while trying to punch someone. (Not just a Mel aspect issue, but the increased dash speed makes it rough.) Adversely one could argue that the speed helps to dodge, but when I'm in Olympus, and there are four to five auto-watchers on my screen, if I don't Phase Shift, or Twilight Curse them, I am -absolutely- going to be shredded out of a death's defiance.

[prime ore]

i got it to hit for 6636 on the charged attack so i like it

[drowsy coral]

@prime ore Surely you were using Aphrodite attack, juicing it with every attack boon you can find, and hammered omega attack

[prime ore]

yeah

[spare kite]

I've seen someone post a 12k O atk with selene coat lol

[prime ore]

and crittting

also apparently increasing the magic cost of the attack makes the dmg scale more ?

[drowsy coral]

I could see that

[prime ore]

i think i had some boons that increased the cost

[drowsy coral]

But that begs the question is it just a one trick pony omega attacker

[prime ore]

yes lol

[spare kite]

Selene coat yeah

[prime ore]

oh and sellen boost as well

[spare kite]

Mel coat generally can go with stuff like exhaust riser + pos attack

[prime ore]

aphrodite 300% something, sellen, hammer, crit

just stack all that and go wild

[spare kite]

Don't forget ares's "TotallyNotACrit"

[drowsy coral]

Is that the critting on life loss

[prime ore]

or critting on wounded

[spare kite]

Generally this one

[prime ore]

ive felt wounds to be kinda underwhelming on its own though

[bleak night]

it's nice but it feels like it has scaling issues since it relies on flat damage soup unless you want arthritis

[spare kite]

Ypu can just place wounds on the special

[prime ore]

even stacking with like the backstab dmg modifier on the daggers the 50 power isnt doing alot

and on higher base dmg weapons youd just want multipliers anyway

[drowsy coral]

can you backstab typhon?

[bleak night]

best playstyle on Coat seems to just be praying for Exhaust Riser, which is funny

[prime ore]

havent tried

[bleak night]

on Mel Blades? If you toss the base special yes. Otherwise, no

[drowsy coral]

I used pan to take typhon down, worked like a charm

[spare kite]

Pan moment

[drowsy coral]

I bet parry would work well too

[spare kite]

Parrying the chin slam is fun

[drowsy coral]

nothing like taking 50 dmg from a chin slap

The most fun I've had with the coat is triple dash attack

But then again it turns my screen into particle hell, and I can't see anything

[bleak night]

yeah it's the most fun thing on it

idk how I can make that flat damage soup scale harder for my eventual run but I'm definitely dreading it

[drowsy coral]

I've tried just about every duo combo you can think of to do the job, but Prometheus dunks on me everytime

[bleak night]

on Coat? I can try to help you out if you need. I'm pretty good at builds

[drowsy coral]

I think the strongest base soup I did was scaling vapor with fish punch

scalding vapor*

With zeus attack primer

[drowsy coral]

I should be able to push a crit build and take care of it, i didn't realize people were roundhousing him with the omega attack crit focus

On a different note, did they nerf aspect of Eos? I remember being able to have more than one daybreaker out, and absolutely demolishing the screen with the +2 special attack

Or was it just the one daybreaker with +2 special

[bleak night]

haven't done an omega focused build outside of Selene ngl

[drowsy coral]

I'll juice it up and take it for a spin, be back in thirty

[bleak night]

glgl

[drowsy coral]

Would I want siege frame or rapid frame

[bleak night]

Siege if dash attack or omega focused ig

[nova dune]

What does a good coat build look like ? I tried Ares/Aphro, Hestia/Demeter and Poseidon/Hestia, they all finished the job, but I never really felt overpowered

[bleak night]

Poseidon/Zeus with Hephaestus so you can get the Zeus/Hephaestus duo

can run Aphro or Demeter for 4th for defensive/utility to compound on Heph also being defensive

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1345011279995211776/image.png?ex=67c8ed9e&is=67c79c1e&hm=f298d83e324e9ef7d18078c52203900f93dfe8de94c3f0b7926bdf440a6ca073& Dash Attack spam with Wave Strike and Static Shock just seems to fully be the way to go

[spare kite]

Soup

[nova dune]

Interesting, do you use dash attack even if you don't get dash hammer?

[bleak night]

Yes, just a lil weaker but it should not be that much of an issue

[nova dune]

Thanks, will give it a try!

I don't think the coat sucks exactly, but feels like it doesn't do anything better than other weapons imo

[bleak night]

I get what you mean, yeah.

[prisma wind]

That seems like a good combo
I'm not used to not Special spam so it's weird to see a build without it

[bleak night]

Give it a try, it scales harder, just needs more moving parts

[prisma wind]

I guess i'll try
I need 5 Surface wins so i'll just look for builds to try
(One for each weapon if possible)

[drowsy coral]

Sorry Im also at work, but I just finished the run, and while I didn't quite get all the crit boons I could possibly want, my lord it was quite powerful

Made it out with three defiances

Omega attack the weapon

[prisma wind]

I know what weapons i'll pick for the 4 other runs i need
Charon Axe
Pan Blades
Momus Staff
And Mel Skull
Now i just need to find good builds with them (It shouldn't be that hard to find)

[median anvil]

pan blades is easy

literally just put poseidon on special

[prisma wind]

True

[median anvil]

that's the entire build

[prisma wind]

Poseidon is KING for this

That + a good cast for Origination

[median anvil]

maybe hestia for the duo?

[spare kite]

No cuz it kills slip

And it doesn't deal enough dmg to be worth

[quick crescent]

i haven't built heavily into poseidon yet, any good duos to recommend for him?

seismic hammer is good for charon but i want to find some more diverse builds to run

also i have played golden rule golden rule funny lol

[bleak night]

Yeah I'm just completely out of ideas on how to beat 50F Surface Eos

this thing is so terrible it's kinda insane

[sage flame]

what have you been running so far?

I just want better turn radii on the daybreakers

[magic moss]

zeus attack hera special with clang gang?

could go master conductor

you’ve probably already tried it but just throwing it out there

[plain palm]

Other than Clang Gang what boons relating to the cast work best with Persephone?

I guess Winner's circle would just be good in general

[acoustic plank]

Struggling with using Xinth (selene aspect maxed, rest at 0) to get to prometheus. Any tips/must have boons? Last run I got to prometheus but I just felt very weak and squishy

[acoustic plank]

Same with umbral flames

[sage flame]

just go for exceptional talent on eos trust trust

[sage flame]

if you are using selene, starting the moonbeam keepsake can be good to get a purple upgrade right away, otherwise zeus for damage on either attack or special (whichever you aren't using omega moves on) and you can try to make use of the shine curse that selene puts on enemies. get origination up and go to town

[candid ledge]

what's the optimal hammer for Eos on high fear honestly...atm i feel like the triple special feels most convenient but i've dabbled with all of the attack based ones

[bleak night]

Mel Torch took me 1 try, Eos I've done about 8 or 9 and I can't get to Olympus without having the worst timer

[uneven palm]

Triple special (either) or the Clean ones

[sage flame]

eos I feel needs something still, the daybreaker is just so slowww

maybe needs more pulses too I think

[bleak night]

I'll be stuck at Eos for a while since I don't wanna swap to a new weapon until I get all 3 aspects done

[uneven palm]

Fwiw I don’t think anyone did surface Eos 50F last patch

So you’re not like insane

[bleak night]

Tidus did all of em iirc

idk I just can't rely on the funny Fine Line anymore on Eos so I'm at a bit of a loss https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1346861313707606126/image.png?ex=67c9b9d8&is=67c86858&hm=e62c851c62528189628dc855de652a507544b892a9ea5d03a638967c3a6ac8d9&

[sage flame]

the pulses don't activate cut above right

but ig you could ospecial for that

[bleak night]

idk what to build on Eos because I have trouble leaving Ephyra alone unless I got static shock or something

I sincerely do not understand how to play it

[sage flame]

maybe like heph cast winner circle and uhhh ares dash??? to open coffin nail? so cut above ospecials do work?

it's very weird yeah

[bleak night]

that sounds really rough ngl, but I can try to get that

[sage flame]

atp idk what to build for eos lol

kings random blitz and static shock ig is the other possibility and pray it carries

[bleak night]

I'll try stuff out. If nothing sticks, it'll be Romantic Spark

[sage flame]

real

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4UWUQhMeP8

[uneven palm]

Fair warning I was just playing around with that and I couldn't get RS to proc on Typhon. Maybe I was missing something obvious?

Shame, because lol https://imgur.com/a/Pcp7CDO

[bleak night]

Huh? RS doesn't proc on him ?

[cursive oyster]

arc flash gaming then maybe?

[uneven palm]

Yeah I had O specials up and was racing around the top and nothing. I dunno if it doesn't count as being close to him?

[sage flame]

it may be too far back? I noticed the curses and eos balls track really far up screen in typhon, way past where you can walk to get from the stage

[bleak night]

I've tried a lot of builds ngl and the furthest I've gotten was Olympus with Static Shock, Wave Flourish and Triple Spark while spamming basic Specials. I still timed out.

It's just unable to utilize Fine Line so I'm pretty much at a loss

[cursive oyster]

yea

[bleak night]

I need to look at Duos and see what's viable. At this point idc if I win at 19 mins

[cursive oyster]

could you setup a strong king’s ransom at all?

[magic moss]

that actually might work, zeus special with arc flash and master conductor clang gamg

[bleak night]

I realistically only get a god maybe 3x in a run at max throughout the first 3 areas

best a King's Ransom can go is +8 if I do find it

[magic moss]

slap on maybe hera attack

[bleak night]

Yeah, maybe. Either way I definitely need to get Born Gain early so I can spam Omega Specials

[cursive oyster]

would running judgement and hordes 0 and just highrolling ephyra do anything?

or some other 3 fear dropped

[bleak night]

my weakest is at the start of the run is the issue. My Ephyra is almost always around 4 mins then I get out because builds just work no matter what. My scaling goes to hell after I'm in the areas after.

Weak at the start because no regen, then I find it and I feel a bit safe. Turns out my damage is still non-existed because I rely on Specials

Maybe I just run Divine Dash starting Thessaly while keeping Omega Specials rotating ?

Can probs Arc Flash it

[cursive oyster]

arc flash is strong i think

[bleak night]

yeah, I'll need to roll for Clean Helix

otherwise I'm kinda just in the dirt no ?

[surreal hazel]

Another thing to multiply blitz with along with double strike

another win for King's Ransom I guess?

[bleak night]

Yeah, I might have to play with full Blitz in order to actually get anything done

[cursive oyster]

you mentioned ransom going +8 at best but i think +8 arc flash blitz attack still puts out a lot of damage idk

[uneven palm]

Yeah here's a vid. I was doing 4k per bolt he should have phased in seconds https://imgur.com/a/KtKGDZl by the time I realized what was up I had blown all my barriers 😭

[bleak night]

ah, so it does work

idk feels like Arc Flash is the play rn but I need alternatives for Gain if I'm starting Zeus keepsake. Aphro?

Feels like Hera is the only option, and idk if I like it

[cursive oyster]

not sure how it would play out but aphro feels fine assuming you get clean helix

[bleak night]

if I don't get a build further in after about 5 attempts I'm about to just play Clang Gang ngl

[median anvil]

ok this may sound crazy but can you timer2 and add up fear somewhere else

[bleak night]

Judgment run? It's certainly doable ig

[cursive oyster]

that sounds miserable

[bleak night]

idk I'm usually permanently rushing is all. Even if my timer is 28 minutes my brain will not let me play that slow

[sage flame]

what's the rarity scaling on arc flash?

[surreal hazel]

20,30,40,50 iirc

[sage flame]

oh I know mynt! you're dps woes can be all solved by adding toula! I should have suggested this first tbh

[bleak night]

I kinda need Hecuba

[sage flame]

but the dps!!

hecuba could never do 99 damage a hit that sometimes misses and can't be boosted and then leave to the other side of the room to do nothing!!

[median anvil]

also the 10 hp defiance that deactivates strength 🤯

[surreal hazel]

that's Toula

Hecuba is the doggo

[median anvil]

yes plasma dragon

we were discussing toula

[surreal hazel]

huh

so you were. Reading is hard apparently.

[sage flame]

hey it goes up to 40

that's pretty good

toula buff should be that she gets global damage increases :)

furies and orig toula🙏

[candid ledge]

what was ur mel torch? hera for born gain (+more), heph, and ares +1?
I don't recall seeing this vod 😮

[candid ledge]

ty, and yeah this is where I landed myself too.

I prefer the non-omega triple for eos just bc it's a bit easier and feels safer. i just dunno there's so much downtime where it's hard to figure out how to increase your dps when the cloud is out and about

[sage flame]

right here @candid ledge

[candid ledge]

oh this is literally from like 1-2 hours ago no wonder. thank you again

[sage flame]

fine line go brr

[magic moss]

foolish was right (as he normally is) moros is just the play for torches

my goat frfr

[twilit tendon]

Minimet the Umbral Flames Enjoyer when ?

[magic moss]

never

staff my beloved

[sage flame]

was there doubt???

[bleak night]

died in Thessaly, lovely

[sage flame]

how did your build out of ephyra look

[civic ocean]

Did huntress work

[magic moss]

no clue, im starting unseen

[civic ocean]

Oooh should be fun

[sage flame]

oh boonless lol I see

[magic moss]

yeye

hecuba is like barely enough magic to clear rooms without unseen, so with unseen should be decent enough for guardians

[sage flame]

I assume you can't do fine line

well you can but ya know

[bleak night]

would've gotten past Thessaly if Hermes decided not to be useless for not giving me Winner's Circle in Ephyra

[median anvil]

you could say he gave you the loser's circle instead

[bleak night]

yeah this aspect is disgustingly bad. I'm timing out to Eris with Vow of Hordes being removed

every other aspect I clear her by the 7:30-8 mark

I'll just Romantic Spark cheese it, jfc

[sage flame]

actually playing the aspect on eris is horrible

[bleak night]

tfw I only have 2 gods out of Ephyra and I get a god-in-a-bag and it's Poseidon from the shop

might as well toss the goddamn run

[sage flame]

I swear poseidon has higher chances to be in the bags

maybe it's just negativity bias but god damn

[formal pulsar]

@bleak night I was watching your mel run, and Eos runs are your payment for the rng in the torch run. damn, that run was good. clean candle, dem and heph as natural rolls in thessaly

[obsidian remnant]

no istg i’ve noticed this too

[fluid flare]

I wanna beat the surface and i wanna do it with aspect of charon

[obsidian remnant]

i’ve also noticed that if i don’t have 4 in my god pool when leaving ephyra, he’ll often show up as the first option in thessaly

[fluid flare]

What build should i try to go for?

[nova dune]

It's the negativity bias

You just remember him more because it sucks when it happens

[obsidian remnant]

i personally don’t mind too much bc i like sea star and fluid gain and even his attack if i’m on the right weapon for it!

[fluid flare]

[obsidian remnant]

i know a lot of people like to trigger apollo’s legendary for the omega specials; lucid gain is a favorite for mana regen

[fluid flare]

from which god is luid gain?

[obsidian remnant]

apollo :)

[fluid flare]

so apollo keepsake and hope for the best?

what about special?

[obsidian remnant]

ares on special seems like a good one, especially if you can get grievous blow for the double damage %

[fluid flare]

thanks

[sage flame]

yummy grievous

[obsidian remnant]

personally i’d maybe go a zeus / ares build with ares on special trying to fish for grievous blow and the duo

[fluid flare]

guess what the literal second boon is gonna be from ares

[uneven palm]

#h2-builds-and-combat message I went longer about Charon builds

[fluid flare]

i already started my run but thanks anyway

[obsidian remnant]

still worth reading, there’s good advice there

it’s general strategy for your entire run and not just the start of it

[bleak night]

EOS SUCKS EOS SUCKS EOS SUCKS EOS SUCKS

[spare kite]

Oldeos would have cleared by now

[bleak night]

I HATE IT SO MUCH GOD

[surreal hazel]

err so, Fire Walk is absolutely amazing against typhon

he just sits there and lets his chin get barbecued by every coal pile under it

and it ticks up at an astounding rate

[sage flame]

legendary boon finally has one use case lfg

guys I think mynt doesn't like eos

[civic ocean]

I figured as much yeah like if what you were all talking about with fire walk was true then it must be incredible

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUfxGhcPvWk

Is it me or when Haelian does a run everything looks super easy but when you try is a nightmare? 🤣

[midnight bone]

I stumbled upon Mirrored thraser + Power surge and I absolutely thrashed the sirens lol

[vast timber]

What hammers are good with moros flame torch?

[sage flame]

clean candle for faster charge, clean helix same reason, triple helix is good too, avoid whirling coil because (unless they fixed it) it makes your omega specials go away faster

[bleak night]

Clean Candle and Clean Helix are the prios

[quick crescent]

is it possible to get a sacrifice boon on king's/queen's ransom and keep the level?

i.e if i have heavenly flourish and give up all my hera boons, then get a sacrifice boon switch out for poseidon, do i now have a lvl 16 or upwards wave flourish?

[bleak night]

yes

[quick crescent]

cool, cool, cool cool cool

[nova cairn]

Is pan still the best knife for surface

it's the only weapon i haven't cleared 32f with this patch now

[quick crescent]

i think the general consensus is that pan is best knife overall

[nova dune]

I like artemis a lot too

[quick crescent]

though i've seen some good artie builds out there

[timber pawn]

How's it going over there buddy

[nova cairn]

yeah i figured, i am just taking SO much damage in these runs using it

[bleak night]

[ember frigate]

what companions do you think its best for 16-32 fear runs?

[nova cairn]

skill issue i think but i cleared with everything else but momus pretty quickly (momus took far longer than the others)

[nova cairn]

Magic build? dog Non magic build? frog

[bleak night]

run Frinos with Strength since it's effectively 80 HP

[civic ocean]

Mel is definitely not the best blade for surface as the final boss is backless

But I would imagine art blades with ares goes super hard

[sage flame]

arty blades always go hard

who doesn't love parries and crits

[uneven palm]

Artemis rules. I find it a lot more engaging to run than Pan. Pan is strong but IMO a slog to play

[bleak night]

is Aphro Special on Eos a good idea

I just removed Zeus and Hera special from pool

@uneven palm @timber pawn

[uneven palm]

It's good damage

[bleak night]

should be fine right?

okay I'll go Aphro keepsake in Thessaly, my time is looking good

[civic ocean]

My two 32 blades clears:

-start Ares

• get the Zeus duo and light smite
  -get hammers that buff your special and/or trick knives
  -get heph for defensive value and more earth
  -turn your special into a tactical nuke from range and hide behind topography while using it

[timber pawn]

Uhhh ya maybe. Idk if aphro requires you to be near the orb, I assume so

[spare kite]

You do yeah

[finite harbor]

Any chance aphro + island getaway?

[bleak night]

no Poseidon in my pool

[finite harbor]

Follow the cloud around I guess

[bleak night]

@timber pawn @spare kite @uneven palm Got Cherished Heirloom and it refreshed my used up Lucky Tooth tf

[civic ocean]

Based

[spare kite]

It does the same to used rarify god keepsakes that sounds about right

[bleak night]

did it always work that way ?

[civic ocean]

Maybe?

[formal pulsar]

yes

[bleak night]

Alright time to take this run home. Prometheus time

[civic ocean]

Cannot say I have ever taken cherished heirloom while holding an expired tooth

[formal pulsar]

i recently did a fresh save run and when the tooth ranked from r1 to r2, the DD refreshed

[uneven palm]

blessed

[bleak night]

OKAY SUMMIT TIME

[uneven palm]

I believe

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1298880973399916605/1346928179738181772/image.png?ex=67c9f81e&is=67c8a69e&hm=0327cf9e8bfb1cfcb8385f56d12050b6ae223c935753696c10cfc9150c0f7373& @timber pawn @spare kite @civic ocean @cursive oyster MISERY IS OVER LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spare kite]

You can finally put the aspect away

[bleak night]

I don't wanna play this trash for a long time

[uneven palm]

would you say that if the daybreaker was still the adorable ghost placeholder

[bleak night]

https://youtu.be/QV9DmSv7F6M processing

[bleak night]

Yes. I'll play it in low fear, but rn I have immense pain from playing this disgusting thing

[stray notch]

What is the current best build for skulls?
I just read that is was OP one week ago and now nerfed so I`m not sure what to play ^^"

[cursive oyster]

HUGE

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309504539170181171/1346946172555755590/image.png?ex=67ca08e0&is=67c8b760&hm=8a483c8475584f39a9461498222179e6da33f25266898b4eca808a487bd2999e&

[cursive oyster]

are you okay mynt

[civic ocean]

Can’t believe we had Heirloom slander yday

[cursive oyster]

heirloom is such a good duo because you never need to look for it it just shows up

[bleak night]

yeah?

https://youtu.be/EyWvaokzQSc this one took only 45 minutes, Remi was watching the whole time as well

I'll take a break and sleep. Continue the last 2 staves and 1 blade tom

[sage flame]

FREEDOM

[bleak night]

I did Circe immediately after, which is funny. I should def take a break now though

[sage flame]

lmao

when you come back you should do a moros run just to remember what good aspects feel like lol

[bleak night]

I did Moros yesterday, but yeah I get it

[sage flame]

fair lol

[bleak night]

I did all the Axes first, which was kinda a mistake on my part. Now i'm playing things outside of my comfort zone

[sage flame]

do you do like fun runs at lower fear at all or would that be a snooze run atp

[bleak night]

I do, yeah. I like doing meme runs for the builds

I set it down to 20-24 a fair bit

[bleak night]

can Freezer Burn crit? Trying to think of a gameplan for Mel Blades

[civic ocean]

Yeah it’s crittable

[bleak night]

I def need a gameplan then

[stray notch]

Does the special of medea count like a dash? Why do I want romantic spark for this build?

[sage flame]

no it doesn't

if people recommend romantic spark on medea they expect you do special through crowds and dash and sprint back around

I always found it better to just do another attack special through the crowd idk maybe that's just me not like romantic spark medea

don't get me wrong romantic spark is strong

[jovial pivot]

What is the optimal charon aspect build for 32 fear?

[formal pulsar]

Lucid gain, arctic cast, Zeus/ares/hera/apollo special all work. Ares is good generally because blood drop boost strike speed and his duo with Demeter gives big dmg boost but the aspect does so much already it is not really necessary.

[jovial pivot]

any fear load out?

the time fear messes with my brain

[formal pulsar]

What are your vows? I wouldn’t recommend wards with time iii on Charon. Don’t take debt because Hermes shrines give a lot.

[jovial pivot]

idk pretty everything but time is ok with me I guess

[sage flame]

scars, debt, frenzy, wandering, hubris, denial are all good to get used to first, then it's just preference

you'll have to take some uncomfy fear for 32, just try stuff out

you'll learn what's easier or harder

[atomic ibex]

What aspects do you want to run night on? Night feels like the most niche card (next to Excellence)

[spare kite]

selene and momus

[uneven palm]

I also like it on Eos and Thanatos

[gilded forum]

does armor let you keep the thanatos buff?

[fair horizon]

nope

[jovial pivot]

I see the power of charon but It's gonna take some getting use to

[formal pulsar]

night arcana is also really good if you play persephone the way it is supposed to be played. (o cast into o special)

I know that this is weaker than wide grin attack plays but you take what you can get ig

[pastel radish]

Guys, does aspect of Nyx buffed attacks have any value on single enemies? I see no difference in the damage

[civic ocean]

Anything that uses two omega moves should probably run night it’s like floor 1 origination levels of damage

And scales better than it

So - all three staves, Persephone, maybe Eos/Moros idk, Selene, Nyx, and then a whole bunch more if you are willing to seek Hermes and roll for Winner’s circle

[civic ocean]

Afaik the branching attacks and specials cannot hit the same enemy

[magic moss]

damn i am feeling the effects of significant burnout

[bleak night]

Are you still grinding boonless or what

[magic moss]

si

[bleak night]

That'd explain it, yeah. How many tries on Torches now?

[magic moss]

i did like 3 attempts today but havent been able to play much due to exams but overall total 8 attempts none made it to fields

most die in erebus, lack of channel speed hurts a LOT for moros

so i tried going mel torches twice and i actually ran out of time both times in hecate lmao

[sage flame]

damn

[plain palm]

Wait what the Ferocity Upgrade for Sky Fall doesn't give the percent damage bonus of the attack boon to the hex?
That makes it so much worse than I thought

[oblique ruin]

yooo inverted spark plus phase shift?

[magic moss]

a large part of why i struggle so much with torches is 1) weapon unfamiliarity and 2) I just dont find the torches all that fun?

[uneven palm]

Yeah just applies statuses really. I only like it for applying blitz or wound

[plain palm]

The wiki says it's a bug I hope it is and it's not intentional
I guess Ares still provides a percent damage bonus guess I'll try to aim for that on the attack then

Kinda wanted Aphro (Highest percent increase) or Apollo (The Legendary) though...

Or just hope I don't get that upgrade

[junior trail]

Aphro/Apol % damage work with Lunar Ray's Disintegration and Night Bloom's Connection, so I hope it's just a bug with Ferocity

[grizzled igloo]

weird ask but can anyone share what Vows they used for 32 Fear Surface?

[amber dagger]

https://imgur.com/a/Ir07BGo

[amber dagger]

Or swap hordes grit and scars for timer 3

Or get rid of wards with timer 3 and keep like grit one

[amber dagger]

That prob be easiest set up

[oblique ruin]

do you guys use special? i feel like i never touch it

[amber dagger]

Suse?

[junior trail]

zeusy baka

[amber dagger]

Oh Zeus depends on aspect

[sage flame]

yuh

i assume its supposed to be use* special

i think on all weaps i use it in some way

[oblique ruin]

yeah im bad at typing ha.

idk i usually spam for cast like the throws or targets for it. i feel like its been nerfed though

[sage flame]

are you talking for a specific weapon?

[signal coral]

depends on weapon

[oblique ruin]

lately ive been spamming the wands

[signal coral]

but in general I think the devs want you to press more than one button in this game

[oblique ruin]

oh yeah im with ya.

[signal coral]

in hades 1 a lot of weapons mostly used one button but it feels like there's more incentive to do different things in hades 2

[oblique ruin]

like utilize the full kit

[signal coral]

wand as in staff?

[oblique ruin]

oh yeah sorry idk the names haha. its the one that attack shoots bolts in front of you

im kind of bad im sure once i add more heat ill change what i play...

[signal coral]

torches?

is it one weapon or two weapons?

[oblique ruin]

yeah the two weapons

[signal coral]

oh, torches

[oblique ruin]

sorry sorry

[signal coral]

the default torches you can kind of get away with just spamming attack

but the other aspects encourage you to use special along with attack

[sage flame]

but having specials up is good to keep curses up like blitz application or just origination

[oblique ruin]

i used to love the +5 backstab every kill witht he assasin blades but i stopped seeing that?

[sage flame]

escalating ambush was cut if thats what youre referencing

[oblique ruin]

oh was it??

[sage flame]

few patches ago

[oblique ruin]

well thats why i never saw it again hahaha

[signal coral]

so update on my underworld 32 fear attempts
I died once with momus (my own fault) and swapped to axe since I like axe better, even though I think its probably considered the worse weapon (?)

[formal pulsar]

same attack spam that works with mel torches works with moros. moros is even slightly better because you cannot get that one hammer exclusive to mel torches so you are more likely to get clean candle

[sage flame]

all axe aspects are very good

[oblique ruin]

my friend said he really liked axe

[sage flame]

if u have moros you might as well keep ospecial up while you attack spam

[mental ore]

does the sun worshiper boons servant damage apply to the night bloom hex servants?

[signal coral]

oh i thought axe was not considered super strong

maybe im wrong

[sage flame]

its one of the most consistently strong weapons

[signal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1241471561513570388/1347035739245903913/image.png?ex=67ca5c4a&is=67c90aca&hm=80dbe4a51ef9a9a0b6048f28506b6d4dc030449683d36eeb7bb2dcea168b28d8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1595&height=898

[sage flame]

good damage, really flexible build options

[junior trail]

iirc night bloom and sun worshiper dont attack each other?

[signal coral]

me spin

[bleak night]

Axe is the best weap across all 3 aspects yeah

[mental ore]

the damage bonus

[bleak night]

Even more so because they fixed Charon

[sage flame]

summoned

[junior trail]

oh if you meant 200% damage bonus with sun worshiper and pos upgrades on night bloom?

no they're not shared

[mental ore]

makes sense was mostly just curious

thanks

[timber pawn]

Mynt I think skulls might take that title these days

But tough to say

[bleak night]

Pers exists so idk

[sage flame]

real

[unique perch]

Jesus Ares, Hestause, Aphodity Dues are amazing together

get heathrob form picking up blood then make plus 2 hearthrobs whenever you gain one

[junior trail]

too bad its capped at 6 tho

[unique perch]

bad game please fix

[uneven palm]

Persephone’s fine until like 45 fear. And tbh “be invulnerable most of the time” is pretty nice

[bleak night]

Hmm fair ig. Idk I still find Axes the most effortless to learn and do work with is all

I play Skulls a fair bit and Pers feels weird to handle without Possessed

[uneven palm]

Really needs Possessed or Twisting or Wide Grin yeah

[magic moss]

i still think axe > skull, but for 45+ i do think overall skull > axe with the recent changes to mel skulls and persephone allowing for oattack builds

[formal pulsar]

It’s kinda annoying that coat armor hammer doesn’t work on dash attacks. It is already a limited hammer. It kinda disrupts the flows tbh.

[void idol]

i don't think the coat should be buffed anymore than it already is

it's basically the most versatile and easy to use weapon at 0-32 fear as of rn

[bleak night]

Coat is the RA speedrun weapon

instantly develop it

[void idol]

yeah especially aspect of selene

i had a run where i lost only one dd to chronos at 8 fear despite being pretty terrible at the game

[bleak night]

feels weird to have to spam every button just to meet the damage of the other 5 weaps is all

It just really hurts the fingers

[void idol]

it actually feels great to me cause you can go crazy with blitz special and romantic spark with the ransom boon, with on aphro on attack

[bleak night]

I'll need to go back to the drawing board with Coat builds before I start doing them for my challenge thingie

Still have to do Momus and then Blades, so I've got time to think

[void idol]

is aspect of mel better than Selene for the coat

i feel like mel might be a bit better at rank 5 but I'm having horrible luck with obtaining adamant so I'm using Selene for now

[bleak night]

Handling-wise, Mel Coat feels better yeah

[void idol]

but what about raw damage and effectiveness at 32 fear plus, cause i still can't beat 32 fear with the coat

[bleak night]

Go Wave Strike and Static Shock with Heph and it should do a lot of work

[void idol]

wave strike over aphro?

but yeah static shock and heph boons have been useful

[bleak night]

Yep, does work

You prioritize Wave Strike for dash attack builds

[void idol]

oh like with the dash strike triple hammer?

fair enough

[bleak night]

even without it, it does work

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[void idol]

does each separate 15 damage hit trigger wave strike?

[bleak night]

Yep.

The dash attacks are 3 hits, and all of em do Wave Strike and Static Shock procs

[void idol]

what about flame strike with that one duo that never lets the scorch extinguish

and scorch would help orgination a lot

[uneven palm]

That’s pretty good if you go for freezer burn

[void idol]

but isn't freeze an unreliable curse for orgination cause it can only be activated every ten seconds or so, and thus you wouldn't be able to remove the scorch very often either?

[grizzled tartan]

Ares nerf incoming?

[analog ether]

Doesn't really matter that much. Just means more time to build up more scorch stacks, so more damage per burst.

[surreal hazel]

Thaw state is still a curse and still counts

but only the freeze part procs freezer burn

freezerburn itself seems to have a short cooldown (excuse the pun), but frozen enemies still seem to be unable to pick up scorch, oddly.

[round quartz]

Beat my first 40 fear underworld run of the patch
With Mel Skulls
I totally forgot to take Heph keepsake into Oceanus and had no trusty shield or mint condition LMAO

[stable lichen]

i think grievous blow is the main culprit

the fact that you can just get x2 damage on literally anything with a pommable chance is too good

and also it stacking multiplicatively with crit for a ridiculous 6x damage

making grievous non pommable would balance it imo

[stable lichen]

lol, half the time gods dont show up in oceanus anyways (thanks onion!)

gg though

[round quartz]

Oceanus being a zero boon region most of the time with onion

[stable lichen]

oceanus and thessaly fighting to be the stingiest regions:

unironically even without onion i’ve gone through the entirety of thessaly with a god keepsake never triggering

[round quartz]

I love hitting 3 minor rewards in a row
And then getting slapped by new mini boss with darkness
sobs

[stable lichen]

oh yeah octopus is actually the worst

still have no idea how to fight it besides facetank

[round quartz]

Especially with melee

[stable lichen]

yes lol, it just keeps spinning

they thought they could get away with putting an olympus spinny bot on crack in oceanus

[round quartz]

With even more armor

[stable lichen]

i love how octopus and serpent are really annoying fights and then there’s just tony who kills himself by wandering into the steam bombs half the time

[round quartz]

"Oceanus is kinda boring with the sea serpent showing up every time, new mini boss would be nice"
Go back

I never see rat I swear

[stable lichen]

yeah i feel like he’s somehow rarer in my experience

i mean i think back in H1 he was rarer than the other styx minibosses too

[round quartz]

I think I heard that, last patch as least
You get rat if you get mini boss late
And early is serpent

[stable lichen]

they oughtta reverse that, tony is so much easier

also fighting serpent with medea feels horrible for some reason

the damage is there but there’s just something off about it

[round quartz]

I don't think the attack triggers when trying to hit serpent with specials

[stable lichen]

i think it does trigger but does it weirdly

[round quartz]

Delayed or something
I rarely play Medea

[stable lichen]

i think the fact that i can’t special through enemies like the serpent massively throws me off

[round quartz]

It's fun, learned it recently
It's just specials not giving i-framed makes me hit myself often by using it as a dash

[stable lichen]

yeah it’s fun although personally i like mel skulls more

and persephone anvil ring winners circle is also super fun

[round quartz]

Though it not giving i-frames is more balanced

[stable lichen]

yeah lol it’s already super strong

[round quartz]

Too strong imo

But that could also just be strength making it even crazier

[stray notch]

Is there an easier setup for Black Coat than Heinous Affront?
It is indeed amazing but the luck it requires is a bit too much ^^"

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[stray notch]

Are you sure that Ephyra refreshes?
When i tired to do it it never worked

[bleak night]

It only copies the first 2 rooms of a seed, Ephyra is always different for me since it's room 3.

Make sure to hit Give Up on the run

[stray notch]

Weird

Yeah, it didn't work, I did it 5 times

[bleak night]

Huh, odd.

Try to do something to change the RNG. Change your keepsake, flip some Arcana, swap the fear nodes, etc

[stray notch]

Ok

[nova dune]

I gave it a try and it's really good, best coat build I have played so far

[bleak night]

It's quite good, yeah.

[nova dune]

There was this one weird thing tho, I noticed Mel was doing a normal strike after finishing the dash strike.

[bleak night]

Is that like an autofire thing maybe ?

[nova dune]

It happened like 80% of the time, but I couldn't quite pinpoint if was doing something wrong

Hmm, I don't use autofire, but I actually tested it yesterday 😅. If I forgot to turn it off I am goin to be really embarrassed

[bleak night]

I haven't had that happen to me, odd. I'll be doing my Coat runs soon so I'll see if a hammer causes it or something

[surreal hazel]

might be buffering it during the attack if you tap attack during dash strike

[raven ivy]

Any thoughts on sureshot flurry?

[surreal hazel]

occasionally very useful for safely throwing salvos at a single target. But unlikely to be your first-hammer pick while your build is still forming

[rich belfry]

remind me please of your build for thanatos axe build aphro on attack and ?

[bleak night]

Aphro Attack with Demeter on Cast + Zeus for Static Shock are pretty nice. Can run Heph as 4th for defensives or you can put him on Special as well so you can get the Zeus-Heph duo.

[raven ivy]

It increasing the range is strange to me, doesn't synergize with throwing all your knives forward like anything else would. You're already reducing the travel time for Pan by making it not have to arc as much, why would range be a concern?

If anything it makes it take longer for your regular special to come back, doesn't it?

[surreal hazel]

Means your precise salvo of knives work at huge range

if you're thinking just of pan, then yeah, I guess, not really helping you much if you have lightning lance anyway

[rich belfry]

just got heroic aphro attack now . ima try your build and card set for the first time now with it . i

[bleak night]

[surreal hazel]

not needing to lay your cast to do safe long ranged damage is nice even with Pan, but there's lot of special upgrades that would likely just be better for you

[raven ivy]

I'm mainly thinking of pan because the other two aspects don't really seem to be concerned with omega special

[surreal hazel]

Don't discount artemis throwing +50% crit flurries

and sometimes the RNG just insists you specialise on your Special button anyway

(Ingenious Flourish makes Dagger special pretty nuts tbh)

[bleak sleet]

Anyone got any fun builds?

[stable lichen]

wait is investing on the attacks worth it on persephone

i primarily just concentrate on the casts and specials and just slap some percentage on the attack to sprinkle in for bonus damage

[surreal hazel]

Depends on your idea of fun

[surreal hazel]

Twisting Crash is pretty big for persephone

[stable lichen]

yeah ik, thats an ospesh hammer

[surreal hazel]

Persephone also has a flat buff to Omega damage generally, so there's nothing wrong with having a good attack boon to use that with

especially if you get possessed array going

[stable lichen]

thats fair ig, i just tend to prioritise the special hammers over everything else

esp since possessed array is so ridiculously mana eating and i basically have to go out of my way to get a bunch of mana and regen so i only click it if im at the start of the run

[surreal hazel]

or just have a support tool on attack to proc origination

ice strike or something

[stable lichen]

yeah thats normally what i do, just slap something for origination on and nothing more

what does wide grin do for perse though

[surreal hazel]

big bombard wih bonus omega damage?

[stable lichen]

i guess

idk i just never really saw the appeal of wide grin

[surreal hazel]

it's... fiddly

with new mel skull you have to work with and around it a bit to get the most out of it

with fetching array as well, you can spam attacks remarkably fast

sometimes RNG serves you stuff that works well but isn't what your aspect wants you to do and it's useful to know how to adapt

[dry lava]

What is a really fun Cast build right now? And with what aspect?

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1iyleui/clang_gang_the_new_broken_combo_in_hades_iis/

[rich belfry]

i won

[bleak night]

very nice

[rich belfry]

i dont know how i did it without dying

let me show the build in the victory chat

[digital rampart]

Hey guys whos the best familiar to use use to use the cat but it dont go well with me strength card

[uneven palm]

It’s 4 simultaneous Omega bombs with some bonus damage (on Persephone in particular) for 10 magick. It’s a ton of hurt. If I see Wide Grin first I lean into it hard, especially if you’re using Night and they can crit

Also just on the surface in general you’ve got a pair of bosses that just won’t sit still and give Persephone fits so having just like any boon on attack can be helpful to chip away at em

[uneven palm]

Frinos generally (hp good), Hecuba on magick-hungry aspects, bird otherwise

[nova dune]

Is there a list of boons that get boosted by the Ares infusion?

[uneven palm]

All Olympian flat damage, so Blitz, Scorch, waves, Heartthrobs

Etc

[uneven palm]

Gale’s nice if you have even any inkling that you might take the Antler keepsake at some point

[nova dune]

Wounds ?

[spare kite]

No

[ember frigate]

is artificer and excelence arcana cards worth keep using when you have trying to go for 16-32 fear?

[uneven palm]

I would almost never use Excellence (too ‘spensive) and I personally don’t use Artificer unless I’m doing 50 fear underworld to counter the onion vow. But either can work fine at that level. Honestly as long as you’ve got the bottom left corner for rolls and cash and your pick of defiances/strength the rest is mostly preference

[surreal hazel]

Wounds adds power to the attack that dealt wounds, I can get why it's confusing though, since it colours the damage red, making it look like olympian damage

[sage flame]

omega attack build

it's pretty funny most of the time

[surreal hazel]

Bomber builds like that do rely on getting the right attack boon

Sworn, Vicious and Nova strike spring to mind

[sage flame]

pretty easy to setup if you get wide grin early

plus those are like the main skull attack boons anyway

[torn whale]

is clang + aspect of charon any good?

i’d assume not but mayhaps

[sage flame]

not really

[bleak night]

Nope, it's the one aspect that's bad on it

Pan kinda sucks on it as well because you wanna keep the cast up, but it still does work ig

[torn whale]

yeah not enough time to use the omega Special

why is there a 10 second cooldown that’s so dumb

[surreal hazel]

on what?

[bleak night]

10 second cooldown ?

[surreal hazel]

yeah

[torn whale]

on talking
slowmode i guess

[surreal hazel]

oh, not a 10 second thing in game, right,

[sage flame]

gets busy around update season

[surreal hazel]

So, any opinions yet on Apollo/Hestia's new Duo?

it feels like it's either nothing or immortality depending on how much dodge you get, and strength is a requirement

[spare kite]

Goated

[untold zodiac]

very good

[fluid flare]

I wanna beat the surface for the first time whats a good aspect of nyx build?

[nova dune]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[tacit vine]

wait so, do boons or effects that boost your attack (chaos, wound, secret crush) not necessarily boost your omega attack

[median anvil]

if it says attackS, then it's both of them
if it uses a singular form then it's only the stated one

your attacks will- means normal and oattack
your attack will- only normal attack
your oattack will- only oattack

[tacit vine]

HAHAH thats so funny

[median anvil]

special works the same way 👍

[sage flame]

does it heal through scars or no

i don't think it did but I can never remember what does go through scars

vampire staff hammer, charity bottle, plentiful forage? maybe? uhh that's all I usually remember

[cursive oyster]

it does not

[sage flame]

man I gotta make a "heals through scars/doesn't heal through scars" image sometime even just for my own use

[formal pulsar]

it is annoying how some things work and some things do not work. wish there was some consistency or clarity in the game as to which is which

[median anvil]

if you do make one share it here, will definitely be useful

[stray notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqdcnncgrw8

I just watched this run, it's quite straighjt forward and apparently the cast he chjose was one of the most underperforming

[sage flame]

just don't take winner circle with aphro cast

[placid relic]

i was just watching that, sucks that winners circle doesn't work because that was on my to-do list to try. is that a bug, or am i overlooking some minor difference in the description text to explain it?

also, does wide grin on medea skulls feel really bad to anyone else? i tried an underworld run with it last night and it felt like the shell pickup range on the special was shorter, so bigger locations had me constantly firing blanks

or is it always like that, and i just didn't notice it as often when i'm only firing 1-2 shells at a time? what hammers are best on that aspect anyway?

[sage flame]

yeah medea it's better for just one at a time

[stray notch]

Ah so is winner circle to bug aphro cast?

[sage flame]

it happens in the video lol he comments on it not working

[stray notch]

I was planning to dop it with zeus cast, would it work or there are better casts?

[sage flame]

dem or heph cast work with winners circle

[stray notch]

it's not what I meant but nvm

[sage flame]

tho winners circle seems to be mostly designed around omega cast spam

[civic ocean]

It can be it really is just a tremendous attack speed boost for casts

Except a couple

[sage flame]

yeah im just guessing the developers intent, given how inconsistent the damaging casts are with its affects

[formal pulsar]

winners circle makes o cast almost instantaneous. if you have the magick it is almost always better to just drop an o cast, especially if you have demeter/poseidon

[viscid rain]

Can someone explain Vow of Void on Judgement builds? Does it take effect once you get the cards via Judgement?

[surreal hazel]

Heph absolutely works, and it's the core of the clanger build

[surreal hazel]

it lowers your grasp, not your arcana limit

[spare kite]

Judgement isn't affected by void 1-2

[surreal hazel]

grasp only limits the cards you select in the training grounds, it does not limit you in any other way

[stray notch]

https://imgur.com/a/4X3LOJs

When you are doing a cast run and the game is an azole

[viscid rain]

Thanks for the clarification

[surreal hazel]

Skip hermes, he's limited to a total number of boons taken, not appeared as a room reward

[stray notch]

Copuld you clarify please?

[surreal hazel]

hermes and hammer are limited to a certain number per run

[sage flame]

this choice just depends on what you have already

[surreal hazel]

but skipping a room reward that has hermes or a hammer in it doesn't count towards that limit

so it can just appear later anyway

[stray notch]

Ahhh ok ok tyvm!

[surreal hazel]

funny thing is that the limit only looks at how many you have in your posession

so if you haven't taken the hammer yet in the fields, get to a room with a hammer in it, then use the artificer on some minor reward in the same room, it might turn into a hammer as well

then you can just collect both

maybe even all three if you transform two rewards and get very lucky

just remember to not take any of the hammers until you're done transforming minor rewards in that room

[twilit tendon]

AND if it's your second room because you didn't went to the warden, take the hammer as your last reward, so that echo might give you one more

[fluid flare]

What are the conditions to get a hermes boon in hades 2?

Also is there a god limit?

[sage flame]

like first time seeing hermes or just in general

and there's a god pool size of 4 which is a soft limit you can go past with keepsakes and such

[junior trail]

Does vapor still remove slip

[twilit tendon]

I don't know the exact behaviour but the game will not naturally offer you a new god after the 4th (excluding hermes, artemis etc...)

[twilit tendon]

what ?

[fluid flare]

Interesting

[spare kite]

Yeah

[civic ocean]

All those things considered if I have Geyser Spout and not Winner’s Circle I take Hermes there

[sage flame]

wrong reply, sorry

[twilit tendon]

okay np

[sage flame]

as far as I know hermes will show up whenever, can even show up room 1 if you don't have a keepsake to force something else

[thorny atlas]

Question regarding critical damage: can it apply for all damage sources? Specifically, for things like mortality and the night arcana which give critical chance for omega moves, does that chance also affect things like Poseidon splash effects or Heaphestaus blasts if used during an omega moves?

[spare kite]

mortality and night no

those only apply to the weapon itself

[civic ocean]

This isn’t me reading the game code and just drawing on like 700 hours of playing time, but generally if something says that a specific move has a critical chance, it is talking specifically about the damage generated by the weapon/cast, and not flat damage sources generated by Olympians. So Night only appears to work on the Omega cast damage burst. However, things like Geyser Spout, or Local Climate, which also affects Omega Cast damage, the crit will affect those.

[spare kite]

stuff like raki/pressure points/antler/death warrant/vital signs will work on everything

[placid relic]

poseidon pan + static shock, do i take dancing knives or sudden flurry

i'm leaning towards flurry? faster channeling = eating fewer attacks, and i'm not exactly hurting for damage here

[sage flame]

faster channel for pan almost always, dancing is weird and I don't like it in general but I don't run pan that much so maybe that's why

I prefer the double hit of the returning special on attack based blades and dancing makes it a single hit for a big group of enemies so it's just worse aoe in that specific instance

[weak wave]

So i've been experimenting around with the freezer burn duo boon plus the one from aphro that makes scorch never decrease. So far i've found it to be pretty damn effective on 16 fear with aspect of melinoe black coat. I know the coat has very solid base damage making it good for the % increase attacks but ive been throwing scorch on there with the hammer that makes the dash strike hit six times then throwing down demeter cast to proc freezer burn. Whats ya'lls experience with freezer burn builds? Been trying to figure out what the fastest way to get scorch stacks to proc it for big boss damage

[median anvil]

blades have a very fast attack speed, hestia attack demeter special on mel blades should be good

you can use glowing coal for even bigger scorch stacks

[weak wave]

yeah im just getting back into the game since the new major update, the blades are still solid and aspect of pan used to be my general go to for high fear but i tried freezer burn with it and felt like it was pretty similar in scorch stack speed to six dash strike black coat its main upside being not needing the hammer

[spare kite]

Why would glowing coal help with that

[median anvil]

isn't that Hestia's cast

[spare kite]

Scorch ring

[median anvil]

I'm awful at remembering boon names

[median anvil]

ok wow i was really off

[spare kite]

Glowing is the projectile

[weak wave]

Scorch ring is her cast glowing coal just shoots a fireball for xtra magick cost

[median anvil]

anyway yeah scorch ring hestia attack demeter special on mel blades should be a fun freezer burn run

[weak wave]

also does anyone know if hera's damage on death for hitched enemies stacks and creates a feedback loop with hestia's flash fry?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[surreal hazel]

Yes.

[weak wave]

ive tried testing it with just the fear vow for extra enemies but can't quite tell as its so fast

[weak wave]

based

[surreal hazel]

Dying wish is a nuke if you can spread hitch well

But hitch is also a nuke

[weak wave]

yeah hera has become one of my crutches for high fear simply due to hitch lol

[spare kite]

Combine with hera's cast for "delete this group in particular"

[weak wave]

yeah if you have hitch down and cast on a swarm enemy type like the fish dudes in oceanus it just deletes them instantly

On that note i've been trying to figure out builds to incorpate ares anyone found anything particular fun or strong with his boons? I can see his blood drop thing being pretty crazy

[median anvil]

medea skull, ares attack zeus special

[sage flame]

basically old engagement ring, hitch explosions

[sage flame]

ares has a boon called grievous blow that you first needs wounds for (his attack or special) and it's extremely strong

[indigo terrace]

Question: Do Circe's size-changing boons affect Melinoe's hitbox and weapon range?

[sage flame]

I actually think this was asked earlier today and I believe the answer was no

or at least

a solid "I don't think I've noticed if it does" from mynt who's done tons of runs on the surface at this point

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[indigo terrace]

Gotcha. I hadn't noticed any differences myself but wanted to check just in case

[pastel radish]

Guys, whats legendary boon base chance? I've got all the required, re-rolled 3 times and didnt get it :/
If i know the % maybe i can calculate the risk better

[civic ocean]

Low, never gets higher than 20ish - 10 or 5 percent everywhere except tart and maybe summit miniboss where it might be 20

Fwiw it seems higher in reg boons than minibosses

Except the abive

[pastel radish]

thanks!

[formal pulsar]

does killer current affect static shock? description doesnt say bolt or chain so I assume it works with both but i dont see static shock as prerequisite

[junior trail]

yes, killer current affects all of zeus's lightning effects

blitz, bolt, and chain-lightning

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/MCslDUAAfpE +20 king ramson lol

[atomic ibex]

Ok guys I need help: I have screamed and cried and tried everything, but for the life of me I cannot clear 32f on Selene. It's genuinely making me despise the game rn and I refuse to go to sleep until I beat it. Any tips? Hermes refuses to offer me racing thoughts, which means omega attack sucks. I've been trying to run night the entire time but that doesn't help because I never get a good build for it going. I just always die in thesally

[civic ocean]

Start Selene Keepsake, go for Winner’s’s circle + omega attack with night

Thats my plan anyways

[formal pulsar]

poseidon attack and go for clang gang /geyser spout/wiinner's circle for suplemental damage. I honestly just ingored night and spammed normal attack/dash attacks while doing o cast

just use o cast to dump your mana for the hex. every time i use o attack or o special on the coat i eat a hit.

[indigo terrace]

Does anyone have tips for using Aspect of Nyx at 32 fear? I’ve been trying to make it work but the omega boost just feels so clunky compared to the Aspect of Mel imo.

[uneven palm]

Unless you’re leaning into World Collider you don’t need to fully charge the O attack. The O special is the better move anyway. I do O special, dash-strike, short O attack.

Or for higher fear Selene I really like doing Origination and statuses to power up the Skyfall lasers. Controlled Burn from Hestia is dope to make the O special more expensive to get the hex going. Looks something like this https://youtu.be/cgr22sh3ZJ4?si=vkvRDNee49ocLUY9

[uneven palm]

I just zip around between waves TBH. Zeus and Hera go pretty hard on Nyx I’d lean on those.

[silent crow]

go for hexes and ares' Cut Above

[civic ocean]

In my mind I think I would sort of ignore the effects of Nyx and just play a standard coat build, which to me would be something like Poseidon and Ares’ duo boon on the attack alongside Zeus’s Static Shock and dash striking constantly. For what it’s worth that is probably also pretty good with Nightspawn as well.

IIRC you can also use Hermes’ Winner’s Circle cast expiration speed boon alongside Night Arcana and if I recall right, your dash nuke effect that activates nightspawn counts as a combo for Night, which means you are high mobility and high damage.

[indigo terrace]

Oooh, I hadn't thought of using Night like that! Definitely something I'll try out.

[heavy panther]

how do I make the torches not suck?

[main beacon]

what aspect

[heavy panther]

moros

[bleak night]

they're good wdym, which aspect are you playing

[bleak night]

Do Hera gain start and hunt for Origination curses. Preferably Hera on Attack, then Zeus on Special

[main beacon]

i like Poseidon attack on that jawn

doesn’t the math work so that Poseidon attack more than doubles that damage output?

[civic ocean]

Learn the movement mostly, the hardest part of torch gameplay is keeping things in your damage path while not getting blown up

[uneven palm]

If you think Moros sucks you probably don’t know the loop. Omega special then get up close and hold attack and things die. You can cast and dash while channeling attack, so dance around to not get hit.

[unique perch]

thats what i was trying to do but despite having like 7 zues draws after gettin set up i never saw it

[harsh tide]

What kind of fear loadouts do people run? Trying to clear 16 fear runs rn

[twilit tendon]

Surface or underworld ?

I like to do

• Time 3 (6f)
• Frenzy 2 (6f)
  and then (depending on the mood/weapon) :
• Hubris if you're not going for a mana-heavy build (3f)
• Shadow if you're going UW (2f)
• Fangs (3f)
• Menace (3f)