h2-builds-and-combat

[candid ledge]

honestly in the last patch I was regularly using Heph after hecate to take trusty shield and/or mint condition constantly. He basically invalidates the hardest part about higher fear levels until you get used to it

[loud moat]

If you can swing it,

Scorch on special.
Whatever on Attack
Freeze on Cast.
Glamour rush/gain for weak affect.

Get the duos for Hestia/Dem and Hestia/Aphro. Build scorch to insane levels and then pop it with the Freeze effect once it hits critical mass.

[signal coral]

i asked a really good friend I trust about momus builds and he was just like "you can honestly just pick whatever, weapon is very flexible"

[loud moat]

Momus is just an auto turret. As long as you have magic, you can run anything and its fine. Maybe scorch on attack or special is sub par, but thats a rate of fire thing, not because Momus is bad

[candid ledge]

yeah momus is kind of awesome with everyone but scorch (and apollo is mediocre imo)

[civic ocean]

I think that’s pretty accurate, as long as you select and max out the “Night” arcana and put investment into two of the attack/special/cast Momus will always have really impressive damage

[signal coral]

he said hammers on momus are much more important than boons

as long as you dont troll your build entirely, you can pick whatever boons the game gives you and probably be fine

[loud moat]

Apollo is good as a base 100% boost to damage. And access to legendary giving double omega attacks.

But otherwise yes.

[civic ocean]

I don’t necessarily mind Hestia either like it’s not perfect or ideal but if you have wards 2 having Hestia on Cast can be good to make sure your Omega moves connect

[loud moat]

Momus really shines with Ares/Demeter duo (the old Local Climate). Omega cast follows you around. You can spam Ares Omega Cast blades on top of setting up your attack and special turrets.

[civic ocean]

I don’t think the Momus echo continues to follow you, does it?

[candid ledge]

yeah very true tbh. it makes hestia/demeter a lot better for cast on momus

[loud moat]

Yup. Omega Cast sticks with you.

[civic ocean]

Oh cool

[spare kite]

The echo does follow

[loud moat]

Apollo's omega cast does NOT though. Not the best synergy.

[spare kite]

Love how prom flare is the only one not like that

Everyone else is part of the cool kids club

[loud moat]

My opinion of prom flare has gone from loving it to hating it. It feels so barebones imo

[candid ledge]

the issue is that it locks you out of new casts for honestly? minimal damage and effect (but visually very cool)

[loud moat]

Not to mention the Zeus duo. Havent used it in forever but the last time I checked it doesnt benefit from Omega cast speed so you can charge from 0-15 super quick and then spend 2 seconds charging another 30 mana just to have enemies move out of the binding circle by then.

[loud moat]

Visual is great. It just needs more nuance. No ideas at the moment on how to fix it though.

[civic ocean]

It’s actually not that minimal tbh it’s like 200 damage base at rare

[candid ledge]

in the time it takes to do that damage many casts would do that much or more damage. as well as provide you the safety of another cast

[civic ocean]

Yeah that’s the problem is that they are probably already dead

Prom flare isn’t a cast boon though

[candid ledge]

huh? isn't it exploding pillars of light after your omega cast explodes?
i might be mixing up the names - if so my bad

[civic ocean]

Yeah but like it doesn’t take your cast slot

If it didn’t have the drawback of locking you out of placing a new cast it would be insane on charon/with winner’s circle

Also under the hood it cannot be combined with Geyser Spout IIRC

Not sure if they removed that functionality or not

[candid ledge]

for sure

[civic ocean]

Likewise, Glorious Disaster is a buttload of damage but doesn’t actually synergize very well with this stuff

I think the only aspect that can really use it well is Persephone

Since you cannot place a new cast while you are driving around in the Special anyways

So it mitigates the downside of prom flare

[formal pulsar]

Prom flare doesn’t fill up Persephone meter from what I recall.

[civic ocean]

That’s also okay because you can’t fill up the meter while using the special anyways

[formal pulsar]

That’s true but being unable to use the cast for 2s after it is finished is incredibly annoying. You don’t always get a fully charged omega special on Persephone. And prom flare disrupts the gameplay loop imo

[civic ocean]

I think if you get GD or Storm Ring it almost always full charges after the o cast expires

Like pers is I think the only weapon where prom flare doesn’t disrupt the loop at all

Unfortunately the payoff for this is probably also not that impressive

Buuuuut there might be something to Air Quality with it, which sets its minimum damage to 460 or so

[formal pulsar]

You need 1600dmg for Persephone meter and I find that I need geyser spout or Demeter o cast boon or ares Demeter duo boon way more to hit that. I am not sure

I just don’t see the payoff but i will give it another chance

Persephone is prob one of my top3 favorite aspects

[civic ocean]

I think it would be fun to cook with it and gales and air quality

[candid ledge]

I just wish there was a slightly extended amount of invuln given when exiting pers omega special

it's honestly where I take my most damage on that aspect and incredibly frustrating because the timer is not clear at all

[civic ocean]

I wish that more of Zeus’ boons would work better with AQ

[formal pulsar]

I take my most damage while charging the o special. You just gotta be ready to dash and reposition once the invulnerability ends

[candid ledge]

I just think a meter/indicator would help. V v annoying because it's so frigging variable based on how much you charged.

[candid ledge]

See I agree but the issue is the very nature of the aspect encourages you to "suicide dash" into enemies

[civic ocean]

Technically there is a meter it’s just very hard to see. Agreed it should be over the skull

[candid ledge]

for maximizing damage. Especially with twisting crash. So you end up taking damage for nothing

[atomic ibex]

Had a fun moment where flash fry started a chain reaction that killed most of the witches in the Hecate fight, still in sheep form

[formal pulsar]

The indicator at the bottom shows that but it can be hard to follow that and everything else happening on the screen. Maybe a sound effect 0.5 sec before it ends similar to other invulnerability effects?

[candid ledge]

Yeah sound effect warning like with Mint is exactly what I've always envisioned

[civic ocean]

I think if the indicator formed a circle around the skull as it moved that would be a really nice visual

[candid ledge]

the bottom indicator is small as hell and also very hard to risk looking at when you're fighting at 40 fear vs 30 mobs in an Oceanus room

[mystic rock]

is there a limit to how many different gods you can have boons from in a run?

[uneven palm]

naturally the game will stop offering new ones after you take 4 different ones

[spare kite]

4 + hermes

(the one time people like arty also ignore this)

[uneven palm]

hermes/chaos/athena/dio/artemis yeah they don't count in the 4

[spare kite]

You can also use your god keepsakes to expand the limit

[primal phoenix]

What are the boons that heal yourself IN combat ? I know the one that give you back a certain amount of dmg taken but are there others ?

[spare kite]

Apollo-hestia duo heals every time you dodge

[uneven palm]

Self Healing (Apollo infusion) works during combat

[spare kite]

Ares's blood spree heals you if you are under 40

[candid ledge]

technically demeters gathering resources one too

[uneven palm]

You can uhhh get the demeter forage one and pick resources mid-fight like a baller

[spare kite]

Technically thw Demeter boon that heals on gather- damn

[uneven palm]

lol jinx

[spare kite]

Triple

[primal phoenix]

Oh never had that one yet

[candid ledge]

gottem both

[primal phoenix]

Lmao you two are connected

[uneven palm]

I have picked flowers during the prometheus memory game for health

[mystic rock]

okay thanks, good to know the limit is 4

[magic moss]

thingy of thing the a thing of the of thing the of

[uneven palm]

first patch or two it was 3, if you see like outdated info floating around

[loud moat]

It used to be I think. Way back last year. Apollo had no base cast, only Omega/Prom Flare.

[uneven palm]

Yeah, Apollo's core cast used to be the space laser that is now Prominence Flare

[neat pier]

Which keepsake do you guys use for Prometheus?

[candid ledge]

athena usually for olympus to get dash lolol

[neat pier]

Fair enough

[uneven palm]

Except her keepsake doesn't work there 😦

[candid ledge]

yeah ive been noticing and realizing i need to stop...but i forget every time bruh. I should just take it int hessaly

[spare kite]

Olympian keepsake or hecate's/metallic droplet

Generally heph's

[neat pier]

I see, thanks

[uneven palm]

Yeah I'm finding myself scrambling for Heph or taking +100 magick as well most often

or just coin purse if I wanna buy something

[formal pulsar]

i go athena keepsake into dio keepsake into hammer into droplet like 60% of runs

[uneven palm]

By Olympus build should be mostly in place

[spare kite]

Oh I should lvl that up

[uneven palm]

It seems like it got adjusted? It's 150 now and I swear it used to be just 100

[loud moat]

I could see modifying Lucid gain to have it synergize with aspects of prominence flare

Light/Smite Gain:
Gain X amount of magic when damaging foes in your cast.

or

Gain X amount of magic for every % of damage done to enemies in cast

Would synergize with Promience flare or other cast boons that do rapid/a lot of damage.

[spare kite]

Even then it wouldn't work with P.flare no

[candid ledge]

Does anyone know if Echo's Boon Boon Boon has any hidden restrictions/rules?

i.e. no artemis/athena/hermes can be offered

[spare kite]

Your cast is gone when it procs

[spare kite]

Afaik no

[formal pulsar]

another annoying part about prom flare is that it does get the 30% dmg buff from your arcana because the cast already expired

[loud moat]

Well its a napkin paper idea. Could make it so that it counts omega damage in the calculation

[uneven palm]

It won't get offered if you died before getting 3 boons, otherwise no. You can get all kinds of crazy combos

[neat pier]

Also, can I still get a 2nd Daedalus hammer if I skip it?

[loud moat]

Does Ares Rallying Cry boost the damage?

[candid ledge]

Follow-up question: can Boon Boon Boon offer things you took on a run but purged at any point in the run?

[spare kite]

Some people are trying to set up dumb stuff with the reset seed thing in speedcord

[pseudo sequoia]

only restrictions are that blessings that are literally not boons can't be offered iirc
i.e. you can get athena, dio, artemis, hermes but not anyone like circe or icarus

[formal pulsar]

it should but i haven't tested it

[loud moat]

Ahhhhh or does it only count things up until you died/won the run? Curious

[candid ledge]

thank you guys for the responses

[candid ledge]

yeah im very intersted in this 👀

[sage flame]

it kinda worked tho, apollo leg from echo was pretty consistent 🔥 love that

[candid ledge]

also can it offer you Infusions? even if you lack the pre-requisites?

[spare kite]

@past salmon has a boon boon boon with like, Apollo's legendary/heph's legendary and epic succes rate iirc

[formal pulsar]

it can. it doesnt look at any requirements

[loud moat]

If Im reading correctly, Rallying cry is just a 50% global damage boost to all non weapon damage I guess? Any damage directly from olympian god gets the boost.

[spare kite]

Just purge anything else

[formal pulsar]

honestly it is kinda confusing description wish they would clarify it or reduce it (a lot) and make global for simplicity

[loud moat]

Yea, I get the thematics of it. Ares is the god of war. Him joining the fight would increase Olympians base damage or what have you.

The nerd in me does wish we'd have access to damage numbers/graphs after a run. See a timeline where we get certain boons/bonuses and see on a graph how our damage changes/spikes.

But clarity would be nice.

The end game calculations are nice, but seeing a graph overtime would be lovely.

[candid ledge]

eventually we'll have a mod for that just like in Hades 1

hell the Hades 1 mod shows you your top 5 damage chart per ability/boon per chamber

[formal pulsar]

that's really nice. wish the mod would be imported over!

[candid ledge]

apparently there's already mods for H2? I had no idea but someone apparently has a mod that let's you pick a custom build while in the Training Grounds for testing on skelly?

[formal pulsar]

yeah I have it installed PonyMenu. it is very convenient for testing

[candid ledge]

also why do my Mel daggers do 25 damage to skelly from the front and onyl 45 from backstab

is this because of a weird interaction with strength and damage multipliers? shouldn't it be 50?

[formal pulsar]

yeah

[candid ledge]

mm ok

[spare kite]

How much is backstab again, +50%?

[formal pulsar]

base damage is 20. front attack is 20*(1+0.25(strength))= 25 and from the back is 20*(1+1(mel aspect)+0.25(strength))=45

[candid ledge]

+100% i thought

[formal pulsar]

it is +100

[spare kite]

You can tell I don't use mel blades lol

[candid ledge]

I do hope Artemis blades are changed in a certain way. They feel very bland to me atm.

like yes big damage goes brrrr and it's fun to get ginormous crits. but it doesnt play much different than mel blades honestly

[formal pulsar]

i do love the ripsotle sound tho

CLINK

[candid ledge]

its extremely satisfying no doubt

[pseudo sequoia]

i think artemis blades are pretty fun myself lol, i like more defensive aspects and omega attacking is incentivised the most here out of any other aspect

[candid ledge]

mel blades incentivize omega attacking more than artemis imo but yes they both do

[slate trench]

maybe i just need more practice with them but whenever i try to trigger riposte its just me and the monster standing there awkwardly staring at each other while it takes like 3 seconds to attack me, running down the timer

[candid ledge]

i just end up using dash to get to backstab regularly so idk...

[left moat]

what arcana spreads are yall using to get origination? i feel like it'd be really good but what im running makes it really hard to change to fit in

[formal pulsar]

i honestly just consider the ripostle more of a bonus candy. i just use the uber fast omega attack

it is almost instanteous

[spare kite]

No joking frenzy 2 helps that lol

[pseudo sequoia]

in theory yeah but i honestly find it easier to just combo -> special -> dash -> repeat on mel blades (though i'm quite high fear brained so that might just be a me thing)

[slate trench]

lol yea i always have frenzy 2 on, but maybe i should try it with the omega charge slow down arcana off

[spare kite]

Oh yeah that'll do it lol

[pseudo sequoia]

artemis blades by comparison (and i must insist this is a me thing lol) give me an instant block, riposte and one free big crit, ESPECIALLY with sweeping ambush that hammer is ludicrously fun and nobody talks about it

[formal pulsar]

it has ubeeer fast charge speed up speed anyway. you dont really need the slow down arcana for it

[past salmon]

Yer

[candid ledge]

you're right about this i end up being the same way lol

[pseudo sequoia]

tbf it's quite a reliable strategy lol

especially with scorch i think scorch builds are most fun on mel blades

[past salmon]

Heroic Success Rate tho

[spare kite]

Banger

I like arty blades just for the get out of jail free

Is that actually spoilers

[pseudo sequoia]

delete that message, you can't talk about datamined content here

[candid ledge]

ah my bad!

[pseudo sequoia]

thankfully it's already something i've seen but it is explicitly against the rules so i thought it'd be important to let you know

[mental ore]

anyone else think Brave Face + Tough Gain will get reworked? seems extremely powerful for how easy it is to get

[spare kite]

Is like the one niche tough gain has so prob no

[civic ocean]

Tough gain doesn’t really need a niche its just good

[fading shore]

cant agree

for me mel aspect is just basic attack bot

when with artemis i usually doing omega spam

i had artemis aspect run recently

with ares on special and trick knives

and epic success rate

i had like 10k crits so times

[sand rampart]

how do we do than axe on the surface it feels impossible, enemies are just so fast and always moving i just take a bunch of chip damage throughout because everyone's just fasttttt

[formal pulsar]

Arctic ring

[drowsy hornet]

Charon Axe + Ares/Zeus duo is pretty unhinged

[sand rampart]

oh oki

well i understand charon, i was talking about aspect of than/melinoe sorry for any confusion

shoulda specified my bad, it just feels like if you do try to do the melee stuff you sorta just die :3

[formal pulsar]

Than axe is fast enough for frenzy I

[wild sun]

Welp, I had a pretty strong build going, and I died to bad luck, that's a first.

[sand rampart]

also how does heinous affront help aspect of charon, that doesnt work in my head. ares/zeus is the proc ur revenge affects?

[sand rampart]

frenzy 2 gaming :c

[formal pulsar]

Meant frenzy II but auto correct

[sand rampart]

oh oki

[formal pulsar]

If you are struggling with speed and chip damage I suggest Demeter and heph

[sand rampart]

coolio, skill issue then. tbf i was going for a blood drops build cause i wanted big funny atck speed number but

[formal pulsar]

Demeter cast and cold storage freeze enemies so you can hit them freely

[sand rampart]

yeah i really dont pick up many defensive gods i just sorta hope i can get by with my main offensive one

/ones

[drowsy hornet]

My mistake, aspect of Than

[sand rampart]

oh oki

[drowsy hornet]

Not for the Crit, just extra speed before you get blood drops

[formal pulsar]

Well than axe doesn’t really have other uses for cast. Arctic ring is the best one by far and it helps with defense till you git gud as they say :3

[sand rampart]

:3

yeah twue

[craggy hull]

what's the best weapons for hestia scorch?

[meager sonnet]

I'm not an expert but the knives are pretty good for it

I felt like I was doing a lot of scorch damage with them

[civic ocean]

Anything that hits fast

[left moat]

what arcana spreads do yall use? currently im
⬛🟩🟩⬛🟩
⬛🟩🟩🟩⬛
⬛⬛🟩⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛
but i kinda want to put origination or something in there

[civic ocean]

It depends, like a lot. Every card is good in the right circumstances

[spare kite]

Turn off unseen ez

[lusty heron]

When is the increased rare Chance good

[spare kite]

For most players is kinda never

[civic ocean]

Pretty often? Specific circumstances where boon rarity is important:

-hermes
-artemis
-chaos
-hera’s grace package
-isolating a common to rarify to heroic with Phial

It’s also just like not super well understood but usually gives you a bunch of extra oomph on boons you want to take

[stable lichen]

interesting

sorceress and furies are must haves for me over artificer most of the time, on high fear i turn wayward son and something else off for em

(also dont use unseen)

[atomic ibex]

Bro sharing his wordle results

[lusty heron]

It feels like opportunity cost just makes it irrelevant usually

[stable lichen]

yeah its not a bad effect imo, 5 cost is just too steep for me

the only 5s worth using for me are boatman and orig

[civic ocean]

I think its perceived opportunity cost makes it seem irrelevant but Ive been using it at 32 UW and Surface for about 12 runs now and I have felt strongly that it is way better than initially thought

[atomic ibex]

I mean boatman is really only good because it activates fates

[civic ocean]

Basically unseen and excellence are underrated and boatman and origination are overrated

[atomic ibex]

If it didn't, it would just be the worse card in the game

[magic moss]

for high fear, no i think boatman has insane value

actually i think boatman just has insane value in general

[atomic ibex]

Maybe >32f

But I don't really discuss >32f because Supergiant only balances the game up to 32f

[magic moss]

most notably >32F, but even in general

[stable lichen]

yeah definitely part of why its good, but 4 rerolls + 300 coins is worth

[magic moss]

boatman with the 300 gold essentially guarantees you go at least +1 boon in a run from a shop (2 if debt 0), which is incredibly valuable

[stable lichen]

its honestly debatable whether the gold or rerolls are better imo

[magic moss]

if anythjng, I think people underrate the value of the boatman card itself

people value it highly for giving it +4 rolls, but being able to go +1 boon is insane

[spare kite]

I'm a gold truther

[civic ocean]

I do find that interesting for sure because boatman gives 300 gold and we think it’s really good but on average so far excellence gives about 3 poms of power per biome for the first 3 biomes which is worth like 900 gold but is seen as unpickably bad

[spare kite]

100 gold in h1 was already great, now is triple that here lol

[stable lichen]

ig a lot of it does depend on rng since you might get bad gods in shops

[warm horizon]

Hey everyone
There's one thing that's been bugging me for a long time now about the dash, where do the I-frames actually start?
Bc there has been countless times where I dash and get hit at the very start of it, so I was wondering if you needed to dodge in advance rather than at the last moment

[magic moss]

the difference is that poms =/= boons. If you have all bad boons (respectively of course, the value of a boon changes with fear), then the value of poms drops dramatically. In lower fear, I actually think excellence is significantly better than origination unironically BECAUSE you just get access to so many boons. In high fear, you really are only looking for a specific set of boons that don’t really care about the value of poms. You take sworn strike because of the curse, the % is an added bonus. The only exception I could see is for builds that focus on flat damage (eg. Scorch, Pan Poseidon, etc).

[magic moss]

if you’re doing a dash attack, you get 0 iframes. If you’re only dashing, then i think theres a very brief startup so you want to be a bit more preemptive

[warm horizon]

Well shucks
I'll try to keep that in mind

[left moat]

i kinda felt like it was a crutch? but idk

[civic ocean]

I think there’s a compounding situation here where people value boons from the midshop incredibly highly because they’ve also convinced themselves that a 5 grasp arcana card that doesn’t do anything until you have 2-3 boons in play is a must-take, as well, observationally. Like one leads to the other.

[proven edge]

whats the 16 fear setup thats best to use atm 🙏

[fluid oxide]

someone help with aspect of medea

[nova cairn]

I have been trying to clear 32f surface for days with staff I am beginning to lose my mind

[stable lichen]

just get a mana regen boon

[fluid oxide]

i never played with it

[civic ocean]

What’s the setup

[nova cairn]

😭 I am using anvil ring, I am using momus, i am using Geyser, winners circle I just can't do it consistently, sometimes runs die at eris, sometimes prometheus, this time it was typhon's tail for the first time in a while

also getting arctic gale

[civic ocean]

The fear setup

[magic moss]

For lower fears, I agree with you 100%. I think excellence is severely underrated due to the sheer number of boons you can acquire through the course of the run, and you WILL be picking up many boons that actually want the value of poms. In high fear, that value decreases because you have limited access to boons. Once you have origination active, which is easy to do with a starting god keepsake, midshop, and miniboss, you have the full value of origination and dont need to get more boons to justify the value. The value of excellence increases with the potential for boons, so in high fear with onion where you are forced -3 boons, the value isn’t enough to justify taking it over boatman or origination more oftrn than not

[nova cairn]

This is 99% a skill issue but aaaagghh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533848791388913685/1345165377788706878/image.png?ex=67c38e62&is=67c23ce2&hm=1d682eba8d5ac8996986bf4e044824fa5b3ceee42b4a147460dbbb756069f353&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

@civic ocean

cleared every weapon on surface last patch with this but this patch feels 300x harder even summit aside for some reason

[fair horizon]

I think you could switch some around for scars and pain, debt is very punishing in the surface!

Also return is a little less punishing than wards

[spare kite]

Debt 0 is really good surface yeah

Hermes shrines goated

[sage flame]

scars is not as scary as you think! idk if you're timing out or dying to natural causes but yeah depending on aspect, wards sucks

[nova cairn]

really? i've just assumed debt was free fear since hades 1 lmfao

[spare kite]

Even in h1 it was annoying

[nova cairn]

usually not timing out, in rare cases it is but it's mostly just deaths to eris/Prometheus/random enemies/typhon

[spare kite]

But Yeah surface you can keep buying stuff in hermes shrines

[sage flame]

might just be build related i.e. not enough damage rather than fear related, unless there's specific fears you think is hurting you specifically a lot

[nova cairn]

it feels like a skill issue and i'm a bit frustrated tbh 😭

[spare kite]

Shadows can really hurt in summit too

[nova cairn]

feels like enemies do way too much damage on surface in general, olympus enemies are 💀

[spare kite]

Spawn of typhon is baaaad and the land dracons suck

[sage flame]

understandable tbh

[nova cairn]

Me when the turret shoots me and it stuns me and i take 50

[sage flame]

surface enemies are kinda crazy fr, fortunately you don't have pain on which is a good choice

[civic ocean]

-debt isn’t a very good idea on surface because the hermes shops give incredible value
-Momus clang gang isnt very good against Wards
-5 minute timer on surface is very limiting
-trying to kill Prometheus and Typhon with 2 Grit is kinda insane tbh

Momus is an aspect that lets you prioritize space and keep yourself safe so I would go

Wards 0
Time 2
Debt 0

And then go

Forefeit
Scars 2
Return 2

Swap forefit for pain 2 if you prefer

[nova cairn]

yeah no chance i'd put that on

[spare kite]

For my 32 moros/mel skull I did pain 1 iirc

[civic ocean]

And also grit 0 and like pain 1 hordes 1

[spare kite]

Along hordes/grit 1

[sage flame]

that's good info there

[nova cairn]

will try this ty

if my fear setup has been making it harder, then i'm glad i cleared 2 weapons 32 surface so far with it but fml 😭

[civic ocean]

Also replace grit with something else Grit Typhon is a pretty bad idea

[magic moss]

any other thoughts on this east?

[civic ocean]

No new thoughts no

[nova cairn]

Something like this? but idk it seems scary
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533848791388913685/1345167290811023481/image.png?ex=67c3902a&is=67c23eaa&hm=8924b20139eb449a321db7bec65755330d2ff25eb601da1dc0338f1d7e4e8406&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[civic ocean]

Uhh go hordes 1 pain 1

[magic moss]

ok ok, i do like having this convo. My boonless runs have made me rethink my understanding of the game a ton

[nova cairn]

aight cus this is 32 exactly too

hopefully forfeit isn't too annoying

and return too

[civic ocean]

It will take getting used to grabbing the skulls

But you probably get more net boons from debt 0 forfeit 1 than forfeit 0 debt 2

[nova cairn]

ic ic

is shadows worth leaving on then? the dracons in spawn of typhon are quite annoying

[civic ocean]

If you are running Strength I find going hard for Athena Divine Dash in either thessaly or just getting her in Olympus to be quite good at dealing with the dracon shadows

Also for the spawn fight (and just in general) high prio on armor melting, very very good against Shadow enemies and generally a very overlooked but powerful hammer

[nova cairn]

died to polyphemus

💀 running it back

[civic ocean]

If you get hardstuck at poly remember that you have 7 minutes now so you can take side rooms in ephyra if you want

[nova cairn]

yeah dw I obliterated him this time, idk what that was lmfao

Given that he's one of the easiest bosses in hades as a whole 😭

[uneven palm]

Yeah with 7m load up on side rooms you get a ton of stuff

[civic ocean]

I take a ton of damage from poly all the time but I am not very good at surface

[nova cairn]

died on olympus 😩

[left moat]

what counts as close for aphrodite boons? wondering if its a good idea to use beautiful mirror on an axe build

[uneven palm]

The very tippy tip of the axe is out of range. Don’t worry about it Aphro is good there.

[left moat]

okay makes sense

[left moat]

i keep hearing how good hermes fountains are, but tbh i often feel like im getting ripped off with prices

just encountered a 150 centaur heart and a 138 mystery boon

[blissful marsh]

Did they hotfix nerf the skull some?

I remember it having 5 skulls after the recent buffs

now its 4 and I think they toned down aspect of melinoes power stuff too

[spare kite]

Yes

[bleak night]

yep, it was way too strong

[blissful marsh]

yehhh

glad they did thatt

[obsidian remnant]

did i miss some mini patch notes somewhere for that? or did they just quietly roll it out and keep the original notes vague / update the original notes to be vague?

[bleak night]

they just didn't ping people lol #h2-discussion message

[obsidian remnant]

so sneaky!!

[bleak night]

on Mel Torches, is it preferable to go Ares Attack + Grievous or Zeus Attack + Arc Flash with Fine Line and Born Gain on both options ?

[spare kite]

I'd prob go ares? In a "opens up queen's ramson boosted fine line" high roll thinking

[left moat]

what kinda flames builds do yall like? inc aspect

i like never use them outside of chaos trials

[nova cairn]

another run up to prometheus where he does a billion damage to me

I might have to take a break from momus

💀 but every other weapon left seems painful too

[spare kite]

you can copy the zeus attack arc flash build from the new chaos trial

outside of that fine line + righteous pike really good if you can afford the mana

ares attack + grievous blow really good

[autumn island]

I noticed something which I found quite interesting, none of the Olympians have any boons, whether regular, duo, infusion or legendary that augment attack speed, of course except Hermes but whether or not he's an olympian god, even in myth, is up for debate

[bleak night]

I suppose Ares does kinda, but I get what you mean

[amber dagger]

whats good on medea zeus and aphro duo still?

[bleak night]

Blood Drops are def a separate mechanic though

[autumn island]

Do blood drops increase atk speed?

[bleak night]

don't even need the duo, just get Zeus Special and a good attack

[bleak night]

Strike speed, which includes the omega versions of both attacks and specials as well, but it's not 1:1 strike speed and attack speed, though. Kinda feels like diminishing returns on the actual attack speed, but very noticeable on channeling

[left moat]

what gain would you put on that? normally i go for glamour but since ranged that doesn't seem like a grreeat option

[autumn island]

How did I not notice that lol

[bleak night]

it counts ig, but it's also very different

[spare kite]

Born gain

[bleak night]

probs because the attack speed is diminishing unless you have like 80 drops or something

[spare kite]

Or mortal again apparently

[autumn island]

Granted I only noticed this because I was faffin about trying to see just how fast can I make the Than axe attack theoretically

[spare kite]

Those (and tough gain ig) are the only ones that can really keep the fine like torches engine going lol

[autumn island]

So I had so far noticed that with the Than Axe, Deadalus hammer, hermes keepsake and heroic hermes Nimble Limbs, that totals to 95% extra attack speed

Wait I forgot about Alacrity from the selene slowmo call, that is a further 30%

Yes I have an unhealthy obsession with making slow weapons attack unreasonably fast

[bleak night]

Blood Drops should maximize that if you can get it early and do no damage to Typhon so you can keep getting that Profuse Bleeding to proc up to 400% lol

[spare kite]

play with grit 3 lol

[autumn island]

That would be absolutely hilarious, just a machine gun axe XD

Granted my luck with legendaries and duos are the same as in Hades 1, non existent, I am extremely unlucky on that front. Like 4 runs in a row I had a chaos boon block a fated Duo which then never showed up again

[spare kite]

why did you take the curse tho

[bleak night]

Try it out on 0 fear maybe and just buy out every shop boon you can find

[autumn island]

Because it gave me big dam, and I did not expect the duo to show up

[bleak night]

oh probs 3 fear so you can give Typhon 30% more HP, so you can stack more blood drops off of him

[autumn island]

Oh I am not using any fear lol

[bleak night]

do 3, for the HP thing

can stack more blood drops for aspeed

[spare kite]

ares-zeus duo for the extra blood drops from ares's on being hit boon

[bleak night]

true

[autumn island]

Yeeeees, granted I will have to get supremely lucky, since I would need to get a common hermes atk speed boon, which I can then phial

[bleak night]

honestly I think the Hermes boon won't matter as much once you get the blood drops rolling

[spare kite]

could also gamble on bridal glow/steady growth from hera-dem

[bleak night]

the Rapid Slash will though

[autumn island]

And the one that lets you save some between areas

[bleak night]

Hera-Ares ye

[autumn island]

True, but I want to maximise, especially before the blood starts raining

[bleak night]

fair, but if you get the pieces going and the Nimble Limbs doesn't hit the rarity probs keep going for science

I do think it stops getting attack speed at some point

[autumn island]

I would assume the game has an attack speed cap

[bleak night]

It might, not too sure what it is

[autumn island]

But the easy solve for nimble limbs is getting it at common rarity, and then using the narc boon to boost it to max

[bleak night]

fair, yeah

[autumn island]

Fairly hades 1 had one added because someone found a big for infinite atk speed, and I would be surprised if supergiant didn't learn from that

Ngl, I aromatic phial is one of my favourite keep sakes, because hades 2 insists on only giving me common boons for my main slot in any build, so it's a run saver, hell my previous fastest run (11:29 sec on Chronos, granted I am not attempting to speed run) was because I got Haphaestus, attack early as common, 4 poms in the first area and extremely lucky enemies spawns, so it barely mattered, and then it snowballed after it was made into a 2sec cd, as I got All the boons that benefitted it

[nova cairn]

Prometheus again

taking a break, i'm tilted

98% of my momus runs die to prometheus now

have only gotten to typhon a few times today

At least sometimes Eris just runs into the pillars the whole time and you get to just kill her with cast and omega attack/special easily

[bleak night]

You need a tip vs Prom ?

or what are you specifically struggling with

[nova cairn]

i feel like the least consistent player ever cus sometimes i'll just shred him, sometimes I just take a ton of damage on the way to him or play poorly on him, sometimes eris gets to 5% hp and decides she wants to teleport all over the map and kills me with 50+ damage bursts before i can reach her too lmfao, tons of things kill me

doesn't feel like i'm struggling with anything specific, it's just 32 fear surface being hard as hell rn

but then again i did clear prometheus with all weapons last patch on 32 no problem, feels like getting to him/getting past him is harder atm

[bleak night]

Might just be a patience thing, since rn he's doing weaker damage but he also has that weird dodge move against Omegas

also his lackeys have an actual AI now instead of just standing there

but the AI dictates them to shoot a projectile once then dip, so just avoid them rather than attacking them, or they stay for longer

[spare kite]

is it only against omegas really

[nova cairn]

i see i see

[bleak night]

Both my Mel Axe and Mel Skull runs have no mana so I couldn't omega and bro just never did it once, ever

[spare kite]

sgg why do you hate your new mechanic so much /lh

[bleak night]

if the trigger is something else then I'm wrong, but based on the amount of times I've gone up there with manaless builds it seems to just be an anti-Omega dodge

[autumn island]

On the point of the axe omega special, is it just me or is it really difficult to get off without taking damage?

[spare kite]

you can dash during the channeling if you hold special

[autumn island]

Not in my expeirencE?

Mine cancels if I dash, at least from what I notice

[bleak night]

hold it down

https://imgur.com/WZUtt7k

[autumn island]

That I am doing, that's why I have it boud to my m2

[bleak night]

do you have autofire or something enabled

[autumn island]

Absolutely not

[bleak night]

usually when you hold stuff and it doesn't work then it might be a setting, but it does work

[autumn island]

Imma check my settings, probably just skill issue

[bleak night]

make sure you still hold the special button while you're dodging, you can release once you've moved/dashed

[autumn island]

But honestly I still miss the shield on the axe special, I still used builds focused on the attack, but I got really good at perfectly timing my reaction to block hits with it, so much I did a dash/sprintless run and succeeded on my first try

The coats attack is just slow enough for it to not work as a reaction, which quite frankly is a lot more balanced

[bleak night]

I feel like the shield on Axe was just a placeholder the entire time

[autumn island]

That's fair, I personally liked it a lot, but I am also a sucker for the axe, and in H1 Zeus Shield was my thing

(God I miss Dionysus hangover builds, the dopamine when you get all the duos is unrivaled, and hestia just doesn't quite scratch the same itch)

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1345207206131400744/20250228223259_1.jpg?ex=67c3b556&is=67c263d6&hm=cfc423c599287ba80ca143b51844517846585064bfe085928e2f34dd02e89779& what do I even take

[bleak night]

Kinda sad they made Hangover bad in this one, just the first omega

[bleak night]

Weed Killer no ?

[spare kite]

oh right, ty lol

[autumn island]

Yeah, it feels irrelevant

[bleak night]

kinda wish it was a per strike thing, even if they cut the damage. I want it to be a constant factor

[autumn island]

It might also be a me thing, but +50 power for one attack every 3 seconds from Ares' Wounds also feels kind of lack luster, I'd rather it be a longer lasting effect that gives slightly less power, so it's more consistent

[spare kite]

get grievous blow then

[autumn island]

Right? Especially since a lot of builds just don't use omegas, like my axe builds only use omegas to proc Huntress Card

[autumn island]

That requires luck

[spare kite]

10 rerolls moment

[bleak night]

no rerolls for it ?

[autumn island]

When I get a boon from Ares or Apollo, they sod off for the rest of the run most of the time, or give me everything EXCEPT what I can use

[bleak night]

ah yeah that happens sometimes lol

[autumn island]

Rerolls and I, are not friends

[bleak night]

Don't wanna give it a go ?

[spare kite]

70 mana O.atk now lol

[bleak night]

Rerolls are nice because they make it easier to just get your build going

[autumn island]

Correction, I have rerolls, they are not nice to me

[bleak night]

Okay, very relatable. Carry on.

[spare kite]

bridal glow carry

[bleak night]

can Bridal Glow spawn me Grievous Blow pls

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1345208623948894311/20250228223839_1.jpg?ex=67c3b6a8&is=67c26528&hm=0739c9a0853c96b667dcefb4185e75407c68acdca30f301e120779b2cee77a91&

[autumn island]

BUT, Hephaestus now THERE'S A PROPER LAD, homie always hooks me up with the Exact stuff I want, attack always being either common or epic so I can rarify it with his keepsake(that is when it shows up as epic) or when common I can use the Aromatic phial, and plenty of poms

[bleak night]

It's giving me Mutual Destruction when I have 100% of my HP

[bleak night]

Heph hasn't offered me his legendary for the longest time

[spare kite]

also I wanna take fine line for the funny

85 mana O.atk

if I could add cut above it'd be the funniest righteous pike setup

[autumn island]

Yeah it's fairly uncommon, legendary even, sorry for that one, but like when I say "You know what, I wanna do the big dam" I always get a quickly maxed out heph attack, and then the exact gods, duo boons and secondary heph boons I need to make those hammer strikes delete half the rooms in mere nanoseconds

[autumn island]

Not enough mana usage tbh

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334746789882105900/1345209538156171324/20250228224215_1.jpg?ex=67c3b782&is=67c26602&hm=252709803a2023603339b77a3dd0b6fe0f2091bc6a5bc33855a2cd7853549265&

[bleak night]

I need to maybe compile what all the rank 6 weapons do

They said they buffed the Mel Coat's rank 6 in the patch, but idk what it does still

[spare kite]

+35%

[bleak night]

That sounds kinda funky

that + droplet

[spare kite]

new mel skull is +21

[bleak night]

was 35 before right ?

[spare kite]

yeah

[autumn island]

What about than axe?

[spare kite]

I think most if not everything is 3 lvls worths of upgrades at rank 6

[bleak night]

I think it's 45%

[autumn island]

Mmmm, 45% atk speed

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1345212700929560606/20250228225440_1.jpg?ex=67c3ba74&is=67c268f4&hm=846794950d0e5cc99542327a78130c96dc804be6e21a9da7d8d2f7b4940dab56&

I wonder what's the most expensive you can get, gotta be axe O.special for sure

[bleak night]

most expensive is Axe O.Special for sure yeah, but fastest spending is easily Torches or Possessed Array

[spare kite]

base 30, +5 from cut above/+10 from hestia boon-explosive intent/+15 from fine line-hammer/+20 apollo

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/FAppj4KN2FE

[autumn island]

Damn I was already mad at poseidon for refusing to give me his blasted legendary for the millionth run with like all his boons, and the HERA comes in and roasts me, saying that you don't always get what yuou want but you just gotta be "clever", there isn't any being clever here, I am trying to do the fates bidding!

[solemn loom]

@bleak night Axe pretty strong, better than last patch or already nerfed? lul

[bleak night]

Omega Special got buffed (read:fixed), aside from that it's pretty samey

only Charon got super buffed (read:fixed)

[solemn loom]

im try that next then. xd

[bleak night]

feels rly good now ye

[autumn island]

Welp, now I am up to 13, yes I couted, poseidon focused runs where I was elligible for his legendary, and never got it, I swear it has to be bugged, I got basically all of his secondary boons, we was only offering sacrifice boons, and I was elligble since before Hecate

[bleak night]

that or just bad luck, I think the rate is like 10% ?

def not guaranteed though

[spare kite]

Did you have all cores filled?

[autumn island]

I mean, this is only the runs where I have focused on his boons, I've had several more where I've been elligible, but still it's 10% per boon, so over 13 runs, not getting it, is extremely unlikely, like mathematically it would be an outlier

[autumn island]

Naturally

[spare kite]

Rip

[autumn island]

Hell 3 of 5 were poseidons own XD

I've never liked poseidon, in the first games his boons felt terrible, and I had THIS EXACT ISSUE, back then as well, and he would always crop up, as a door without an option so I had to pick his boon, and from then on out half my boons would be his, when I wanted anything else, and in H2, I find his boons similarly lacking, but at least he's less common in my other runs.

[steady tartan]

whats a good vow setup for 8 fear? trying to get the statue. my highest fear weapon is axe

[bleak night]

which axe you playin

[steady tartan]

usually charon but im decent with all of them

[bleak night]

lemme make you an 8 rq

you know the general Charon build ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1345225766354288775/image.png?ex=67c3c69f&is=67c2751f&hm=3a41f315223f4c44d811daf6c3c640d1673c3473a0e0fa516331da69aeb10ecd& this should be fine. Priming MP might seem like an issue, but since you run Apollo for Lucid Gain anyway you'll never have that issue of not having enough to Omega Special

[steady tartan]

thanks, gonna go try it. we'll see how it goes

[bleak night]

glgl

[autumn island]

Why wouldn' you just all in on time? Like at 8 fear 20 minutes is more than enough in my experience

[bleak night]

some people are just really afraid of timer is all

makes them careless because it's a red number that ticks downward, even if it's enough for the most part

[steady tartan]

im not confident enough in my gameplay for timer

[autumn island]

I mean, I dislike the timer too, but I know logically that I can comfortable hit 13-14 minutes on any run

[bleak night]

36 minutes to clear a run should be enough or would you rather have it off

[steady tartan]

probably enough

[bleak night]

can turn it on to 28 minutes to clear instead so you can turn something else off if you want

[steady tartan]

if i cant i am no stranger to throwing myself at a wall until it breaks

[bleak night]

probs just a personal thing, some people still take a while because they really wanna keep their HP, so they dance around enemies too much

[bleak night]

then you can turn on timer to rank 2 for 7min/area to remove 2 from somewhere else

[autumn island]

That's fair, but might also be more of a bad habit, I sent myself face first into max timer in both games, because I knew once I got the feeling of it, it would make the game just objectively easier. Now in h2, the only time I have ever cut it close is in Ephyra because of the stupid amount of walking

[bleak night]

I get what you mean though, I have max timer on and max frenzy on so I can get used to it asap. But my issue with it in Surface runs is if I have timer 3 on, my brain will not let me take the siderooms that open in Ephyra, which kinda sucks when I'm trying to have fun in a run

I move it to timer 2 when I want to take them

[autumn island]

I find that with side rooms I have time still, but I might cut it close

But they also often give me what I need to murk thessaly in 2-3 minutes total

[formal pulsar]

trying to salvage this run. romantic spark or epic static shock, thoughts?

https://imgur.com/a/ydK4JRV

https://i.imgur.com/V9fwxYG.png

[past salmon]

Static shock is better here

Coat really like static shock

[bleak night]

^ Flat Damage soup is yummy

especially since you Wave Strike, so it adds 3 shock ticks on that dash attack to compound with your waves

[steady tartan]

just got circe and she removed vow of time

[bleak night]

lol nice

[visual flume]

wait why is skull so funny

[spare kite]

Pew pew

[visual flume]

I got nem asking me to do damage to her and a single omega attack bombardment did 1.4k damage

[spare kite]

Wide grin gaming?

[visual flume]

wide grin

[spare kite]

Hell yeah

[visual flume]

with heph attack

[spare kite]

Oh

[visual flume]

not sure if that's a good option or not but it was pretty funny

[spare kite]

Pls get a % attack 😭

[visual flume]

yeah probably

I got that from chaos

yeah probably should have taken hera attack tho

for that build

big damage

[steady tartan]

NOOOOOOO! i was so close. like 1 hit away from beating prometheus

[spare kite]

Apollo's attack is also funnt

The aoe is ridiculous+ possible legendary

[steady tartan]

apollo attack skull is so goofy

[bleak night]

unfortunate. You wanna try a more mobile aspect so you can fight vs Prometheus better ?

[steady tartan]

nah, i just didnt get many health increases so i couldnt take as many hits

[bleak night]

that's fair, you'll get the W tho dw keep tryin

[steady tartan]

and also i didnt get a single hammer for special

[polar chasm]

How does ambition (hex deals 250 damage to guardians) work on twilight curse (sheep hex)? Bosses and mini bosses are immune so where is the damage going?

[spare kite]

The ball just bops them for 250

[polar chasm]

Ah

[steady tartan]

there we go, got it done second try

[bleak night]

Very nice

[ocean panther]

Yo has anyone else summoned a Crawler against Chronos with Night Bloom/Sun Worshipper?

It annihilated half of his health bar in like three seconds.

[bleak night]

which one is the Crawler again

[civic ocean]

Rat

[bleak night]

is that what they call the tiny rats ?

the ones that die in one hit ?

[civic ocean]

Ye

[frigid stone]

what is the theoretical highest dmg in a run possible build

[bleak night]

dps or highest number in a single hit

[frigid stone]

originally was asking for dps

but now I'm curious about the latter as well

[bleak night]

for highest damage in a single hit, probs Artemis Omega Attack that has the proper Hammers, Crits and gets the 2x damage from Grievous Blow while on a rank4 Lion Fang while Origination is running

[civic ocean]

Dont forget the dio buff

[frigid stone]

my guess is the coat charged up dmg or something

[bleak night]

Tidus posted this a while back https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1343733006266798111/image.png?ex=67c39e62&is=67c24ce2&hm=a6cae766ef0a1eaff2387bf2416096d31c7764d500a4c2477ecf1ef43e30adf1&

[visual flume]

damn

[frigid stone]

I think each individual pan dagger in the special counts as its own hit, so I wouldn't call it 1 "hit" thereby disqualifying that

[bleak night]

apparently it's Selene Coat ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247919379245436991/1343733551123922954/vlc-record-2025-02-24-15h56m31s-Hades_II_2025.02.24_-_15.44.44.12.mp4-.mp4?ex=67c39ee3&is=67c24d63&hm=f0a05e26af543e5f82c7246e0b58c15c339585a3a3c71cf0a8e219d2d2666676&

[frigid stone]

AHA

[bleak night]

tf lol

Shine-boosted damage goes hard ig lol

[frigid stone]

the easiest win I got was with selene coat

it was so much dmg and shielding with an easy sprint

sorta weird that its such a beginner friendly weapon but you unlock it last

[bleak night]

oh is it that good vs Typhon ?

[frigid stone]

not just typhon, its good with everything, clearing rooms with selenes boon, good shielding vs bosses, and idk if it's just me but is the sprint different on that? add on hammers and other special boons and its over

[bleak night]

have you tried Ferocity with Blitz on Attack ?

it's pretty funny the moment you get Romantic Spark, you just run around with the Hex active and the Blitz pops immediately

[gusty tinsel]

with sister blades, do i do wave strike or wave flourish?

[bleak night]

which aspect?

[steady tartan]

if youre using aspect of pan go with flourish

[gusty tinsel]

like the normal one, i havent unlocked anything yet

[bleak night]

don't use Poseidon on it, just go Scorch or Aphro

does more damage for the most part

[gusty tinsel]

oh, well im already doing a run, do i just restart?

its like the start, like the first boon

[steady tartan]

take the third option?

[gusty tinsel]

okay but i could have heroic wave flourish..

idk im new 😭

[bleak night]

oh just play it out I suppose

[gusty tinsel]

and what are good hammer upgrades for sister blades

skulking onslaught?

[fluid onyx]

I took scars 1 which is meant to only cut healing by a quarter but now all the fountains seem to barely heal me at all. Were fountains always this weak and I just didn't notice...?

I might just be noticing more now that I've upped all the other heat values to try and do 32 heat

[languid timber]

any fun variants for umbral flames?

[sage flame]

moros

I love eos too tho

[languid timber]

which boon is the best for moros?

[sage flame]

zeus special

any attack you'd like tbh, preferably % based

[languid timber]

wookie ty

[sage flame]

get good gain and then spam ospecial when they run out and hold attack for just big damage

[waxen garden]

hidden knives is kinda eh

reaper knives, dancing knives, and sudden flurry are better

[last cape]

so I saw that the skulls got reduced from 5 to 4 shells but they're still insane right?

[steady tartan]

still really good, but not instant win button anymore

[bleak night]

still good

[last cape]

idk with all the other buffs the skulls got and 4 still being a buff relative to warsong's launch...still seems like a dumb weapon lol but I'm glad we're free from +100 power mel skulls

[past salmon]

the best overall strategy for Moros is righteous Pike from Athena coupled with any of the boons that increase magick costs

I.E, Fine Line, Cut Above, Apollo Legendary or Weedkiller

[past salmon]

the power on Mel skull also got nerfed to 12 per skull

[languid timber]

wookie thenks

[magic moss]

does this hold true for 50? just curious

[past salmon]

idk havent tried it
Magick sustain is the scariest thing but Hecuba is the Goat so probs viable actually

[last cape]

oh wow ok so medea is probably the meta now and it really doesn't care about the 5->4

[past salmon]

Medea has always been the Meta

[last cape]

I think mel was better for that brief 2 day period or whatever it was but nature has been rebalanced

[past salmon]

I'll try it tonight if I actually end up playing

[magic moss]

its just the anyfear strat of kill everytjing before you prime out lol

[past salmon]

yeh but with like
only bloodline u dont rlly even get that close to priming out in anyfear apart from maybe sometimes in Fields
in my head its viable so Ill try it and let u know

[magic moss]

ok ok

[last cape]

ok dang mel skull is still kind of insane but I'm excited to try medea with all the buffs

uhhhh fetching array isn't worth anything now right? especially with medea spamming specials

melting tackle, sudden driver and fetching array were not the hammers I wanted to see

it's probably melting on medea though 😭 sighhh

the anti armor hammers are super boring, idk if that's a hot take. You win (certain) minibosses for free and it does nothing most of the rest of the time

[steady tartan]

hot take maybe, but i actually like them. i hate not being able to stunlock certain enemies and they really help with that. especially on multi hit attacks like with melting shredder. they do make certain minibosses free tho

[willow phoenix]

With mel skull it's super good

[neon crown]

I didn’t think Ares would feel so cracked

falls a bit short on bosses but whatever it sweeps normal encounters

[last cape]

How consistent is backburner on medea?

[last cape]

Grievous Blow/Mutual Destruction lets you melt bosses too

[past salmon]

it does practically nothing 🔥

Skull attacks can't backstab

[bleak night]

is that just a Medea thing or an in-general weapon thing

[past salmon]

in general I belive but I'm not gonna say 100% certain cuz I don't play enough mel skull ig

[bleak night]

I'll test later

[median anvil]

ares has that one boon where you deal extra damage to lonely enemies, does it work on bosses?

haven't memorized his boon names yet

[past salmon]

I believe so unless I've been tripping massive balls

[last cape]

OH F

Oops caps lock

How do yall feel about trick knives? I never see anyone talk about this hammer but it seems super good

[past salmon]

its really good

[last cape]

I'm being offered between it and sweeping ambush with mel daggers and ares attack

[past salmon]

one of the best options on Mel/Artemis

if not the best option

[untold zodiac]

trick knives is very good, both in terms of power and design

it kinda has its own playstyle with dash striking a lot and avoiding the attack combo

[twilit tendon]

are there any good combo/duo to target with the staff (either mel or momus) or is just hera attack + whatever boon you get ?

[bleak night]

on Momus, try out Clang Gang + Geyser Spout. Goes turbo hard

[twilit tendon]

what's clang gang already ? heph + hermes, then apollo and hestia for the clang duos right ?

[bleak night]

Anvil Ring + Winner's Circle

don't need the Apollo or Hestia ones, Clang Gang + Geyser Spout is enough for funny damage, then you just build whatever is good that can also give you Origination on Attack and Special

[last cape]

What hammers and boons does selene coat want? I'm trying to do 32 fear surface with it and it isn't going well

[lost shell]

yo @bleak night i tested your ares/zeus/heph build with the blades. AMAZING

any other build u think its that much fun? i took a while to test bc i have to work and stuff

[bleak night]

just got back, anyways what aspect did you want to have a build on ?

[lost shell]

Anything with ares

[bleak night]

Medea Skull or Moros ?

both are pretty good with Ares, but your pick

[lost shell]

Skull. Never played much with it. But you can send both builds

[bleak night]

Zeus keepsake start on Medea, get Special asap and then hunt for Ares for Attack + Grievous Blow. From there, build is already mostly done. That's Origination, just scale the damage with poms or something. Get Double Strike from Zeus and other modifiers like Hera's Extended family or maybe Demeter for Arctic Ring. Get Heph for defensives only, no need for Anvil Ring or anything else for Master Conductor. Can get Aphro instead of Heph as well since Weak is nice. You know the general Medea gameplay loop ?

[lost shell]

No, How is it?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1343082412476858419/Medealoop.mp4?ex=67c33ab8&is=67c1e938&hm=db8cd36f43b6bb224726e40f568f051e595b37004b7cc90e2cea75e53e95554f&

Attack to Load, Special to Ram. Gameplay style is mostly load-ram-load-ram-load-ram. You only situationally load multiple or the dps is a lot slower

What's great about this aspect and build is you're not hammer dependent. Anything that boosts Attack or Special damage is good

[lost shell]

Interesting

Will try soon. And how about Moros?

[bleak night]

Hera start, get Born Gain and find Ares once again for Attack and Grievous Blow, then put a curse on Special. Zeus/Hera/Demeter are all fine. Prioritize Magick Tonics over HP or Gold until you have around 200-250, then get Fine Line from Hera. Prioritize Channel Speed reduction from Hermes and from Hammers (Clean Candle > Clean Helix >>> every other upgrade)

Anything helpful on Cast also works well

[static crescent]

I took backburner on Mel skulls and it never procced, so I'm guessing it's a skull thing

[bleak night]

Alternatively you can also do Ares on Special as well because it applies Wounds as part of your gameplay loop of being a mostly melee Torch aspect, get Hera on Attack, that way your % damage boost is better

[bleak night]

probs unintended, worth feedbacking

[static crescent]

you would think it would work, since it's so easy to get behind enemies with skull special

[willow phoenix]

It should work, since blast of all things work with backburner lol, so yeah F10 or feedback I guess

[broken thicket]

Is Pan worth it at all atm?

[sage flame]

yes

[broken thicket]

Is it very restricted on getting particular boons, or can you make it work with most things?

Because if I'm looking at it correctly, it's really hard to use the homing part of it with enough specials as the cast tends to expire before you charge all the way. With any ranged cast, it's sorta alleviated, but it doesn't seem to have the same DPS as just stabbing

[spare kite]

Pan is one of the most busted aspects

[uncut pecan]

I’ve mostly only forced Poseidon special on Pan and tried to go for the legendary… any other alternatives? I’ve cleared surface with it comfortably but would like to try something else

[willow phoenix]

Pretty much it lol, you can do other stuff but none come close to Poseidon spam on Pan

[uncut pecan]

Okay, yeah seems like a weakness of the aspect to be so reliant on certain boons.

[last cape]

You can play it with other gods and win

[uncut pecan]

I tried once to play it without born gain and got Poseidon magic instead and thought it was horrendous

[last cape]

It's just suboptimal since it's so obviously busted with wave flourish

[willow phoenix]

Dunno why Poseidon doesn't get the Hestia treatment and swap the damage for attack and special

[formal pulsar]

thoughts on winners circle with pan?

[willow phoenix]

Unless you get the faster channel hammer probably bad

[rustic sand]

Right, lost a couple runs now cus i dont get how the athena keepsake works, so came here to find out, i know like some npcs dont appear if you take rewards with menues? or is it that you dont lose time then? are there any specific requirements for athena to appear other than no dd? like ive never had her in mourning fields or rift, what about the summit can she appear there?

[formal pulsar]

I HATE ARTIFICER. I ALWAYS FORGET TO CLICK TRANSFORM

[rustic sand]

ahahahahaha true that

[sage flame]

you need 0 DDs, and it's bugged in olympus where she won't show up

no other reward requirements or anything

[rustic sand]

so wait, if i have the keepsake on olympus she wont appear?

[sage flame]

I assume she can show up summit but I haven't used it

[sage flame]

yeah it's a bug

[rustic sand]

LMAO

[formal pulsar]

it's bug since olympus patch was released 6 months ago...

[rustic sand]

basically all of my last high heat attemps ive tried to regain my DDs in olympus via keepsake, seems ive doomed myself then...

[sage flame]

yeah rip, it's best to hope for rng athena instead of keepsake

[rustic sand]

welp, thanks for the info, very glad i took the time to find out...

[formal pulsar]

kinda annoying but it's fine. I hate that you have to pick athena as starting keepsake now to have leaf working

because athena cannot spawn in olympus with the keepsake

[rustic sand]

doesnt leaf keep working even when you unequip it?

[formal pulsar]

it does but if you want to get max uses out of it you have to equip in the first or second biome

[rustic sand]

ah right

oh yeah okay i get it

yeah if you wanna be that optimal i guess youre out of luck

[willow phoenix]

She can be forced to appear everywhere outside of Olympus, the only requirement is no DD

[rustic sand]

okay, good to know, thx

[uneven palm]

She can appear on Olympus randomly with the keepsake equipped, but it’s not the keepsake’s doing. You’ll be able to tell because the boon rarities won’t be fixed

[gritty solstice]

guys

my version of the game 111144, is this the most recent v of the game?

[rustic sand]

im on 111233

[formal pulsar]

you are missing the newest mini patch

[steady crater]

Does blitz count as a lightning bolt (for Double Strike) ?
Blitz:

Afflicted foes are struck by lightning after they take 120 damage or after 3 Sec.

Double Strike:

Your lightning bolt effects may strike 2 times.

[steady path]

Hey - does anybody have any tips how to dodge Prometeus's close quarter kick/uppercut with 2 ranks in vow of fury? (enemies faster)

[steady crater]

Given that Power surge says

Whenever you use magick, a random surrounding foe is struck by lightning.
Bolt Damage: 25

I'd think that "struck by lightning" means it's a lightning bolt
But unsure

[silent crow]

yes

[fair horizon]

Blitz is one of Double Strike prereqs, so yeah blitz is a lightning bolt.

[civic ocean]

This may have been fixed, she showed up in olympus for me last night after I took the keepsake and had all epic boons

[fluid flare]

Whats the main strategy when using the axe?

[civic ocean]

IIRC anything that is a vertical lightning bolt is affected by double strike

[fluid flare]

Personally i just grabbed whatever special i could find and now im doing 460 damage per omega

Sometimes even 920 damage against bosses

[willow phoenix]

The adding rarity is fixed but the forced spawn is not

[civic ocean]

Yeah that checks out

[primal phoenix]

Do you guys have any build with the torches ? Really not my strong suit. Got used to the skull but the torches are still kinda "eh."
For now i've been going with special focused Mel aspect but idk

[pseudo sequoia]

a very reliable build for mel torches specifically is going all in on the omega attack; zeus/hera attack, born gain, maybe static shock if you're feeling brave

though if you're going for zeus attack i highly recommend searching for arc flash, which increases your overall blitz damage by a lot

[primal phoenix]

For the O attack wouldn't Moros be a better choice ?

[pseudo sequoia]

not really, moros is very highly focused on attack/oattack and omega special together

that and the lingering shots from the attack get caught on each other with moros so it's usually better to go with mel aspect if you want to go all in on the attack

[primal phoenix]

Oh okay, thanks !

[misty sphinx]

Help I keep dying to kraken when I’m surface

[untold zodiac]

mel torches, zeus on special, aphro on magic and romantic spark

use omega special and run around

[obsidian remnant]

is there a specific part that's causing issues for you?

[misty sphinx]

I keep dying even tho I dodged all of its attacks

[timid temple]

? if you dodged its attacks it cant kill you

[obsidian remnant]

....well, if you're dying, you're getting hit by something?

unless your timer has run out, not taking damage from an enemy means you're not going to die

[timid temple]

the trailing split shots are annoying i learned to spriny along the back edge and then i can dash back in once they all blow up

besides that just watch for the tentacle spin and the harpoons

[nova cairn]

every single run i have that's good gets to prometheus and dies I have no idea why i am suddenly so bad at him

trying to use omega attacks on him is so hard and i'm using momus, he either avoids them or just does damage to you while you charge

some of these runs are definitely potential clearers too

having 400+ max health is awesome but i get to prometheus with 100 and die lmfao

ah well, i'll get him

[vast timber]

What button do you use on controller to view all the boons? Is there a way to view all the boons outside of combat in-game?

[willow phoenix]

Try the arrows, iirc it's left arrow for current boons and up arrow for the book

[obsidian remnant]

i've been using medea so i'm not sure what Destructive Array does / if it works on medea

DESTRUCTIVE ARRAY - Whenever your Shells Shells land, they deal 50% of your Attack damage around them

since medea effectively just loads the skulls up, does Destructive Array even work? does 50% of my attack damage trigger when i hit the attack button and load one? (i tested it and it didn't seem to be doing anything but maybe it's a hit box issue?)

[vast timber]

Oki thank you

[willow phoenix]

It triggers when the skull lands after using attack, you can see a little shockwave from the skull on landing

[median anvil]

medea skulls do drop, you just pick them back up very fast

[formal pulsar]

since special now gets the skulls back to you, how useful is fetching array?

[spare kite]

really good on mel

you can just mash attack like you are playing patch 1 momus

the increased speed pretty much makes it so you are always ar 2/3 skulls spent

[obsidian remnant]

ahh i have some eyesight issues so i'm having trouble seeing it but thank you!

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/p5cKRkeFd48 pew pew

[formal pulsar]

anyone else feel like blood drops screw up with the dodge timinig. because you end up zooming around so fast, it feels weird and sometimes I end up getting hit more not less

[left moat]

i don't think i understand how blitz works--is it just a flat (depending on the boon) damage every 3sec/per 120 damage? does it stack at all?

[formal pulsar]

it doesnt stack but it triggers early if you deal enough damage. you dont have to wait 3secs

[left moat]

okay

i don't think i see how that's... useful?

[obsidian remnant]

you can also use arc flash to trigger blitz early with an omega move and it can be pretty powerful with fast hitting weapons that do a lot of hits

also his legendary (for chance) to destroy susceptible foes on first hit is pretty nice

[formal pulsar]

Blitz deals more damage than it looks like it does, but it is also good as a secondary damage source on your special if you mainly use attack or vice versa. Also it scales very well with Zeus other boons like double strike and arc flash

[west thunder]

Good high fear build for black coat?

[willow phoenix]

I like mel coat poseidon attack then go for the dash attack hammer. Add some static shock and master conductor, maybe arterial spray, and you're set

[west thunder]

Thanks, any suggestions for the special?

[willow phoenix]

Zeus or ares probably

[left moat]

how hard is vow of frenzy? tempted to try it out for the next vow i take

[ember frigate]

what vows do you reccomend for surface and underground if you are trying to go for 32 fear with aspect of medea?

[magic moss]

its a difficult vow but one of the recommended ones to take early to train your muscle memory and learning how to play faster in general. Once you get it down though, you cant really go back

[left moat]

that's kinda what i was thinking, i'll have to do it next then

[gritty solstice]

Someone has an ideia for excepcional talent build?

[stray notch]

Hey guys, is there an easy staff build?
I tired few options but I can;t find a viable one 😦

[willow phoenix]

Selene o attack, perse skull o attack, skull possessed array, momus o attack, charon o special, pan o special, Moros
These are the best ones I think, you still need to pick apollo attack/special to get the legendary even if you don't use it

[forest oxide]

Had a run with the Moros torches - Heroic Level 26 Zeus on Special, Heroic Level 6 Ares on Attack, and melted 2nd phase Chronos in literally 5 seconds. Bonkers, my Zeus damage alone was 750

[median anvil]

double level from echo goes hard

[sage flame]

wait no way

[civic ocean]

Almost any staff works pretty well by focusing on the Omega Cast and Omega Attack and using the Night Arcana for critical damage, with Hecuba to fix your mana issues.

You can go Unseen as well or just get a decent Gain Boon like Mortal Gain, Born Gain, or some regen or cost savings from Chaos. Hermes is really nice for Winner's Circle and Racing Thoughts. I tend towards Apollo start with Demeter, Ares, Poseidon, Aph as all gods I'd like to see. Boost up your Omega Attack and Omega Cast damage with things like Extra Dose, Weed Killer, Secret Crush, Shameless Attitude, Solar/Arctic/Sword/Tidal Ring into Geyser Spout and/or Meat Grinder, and just flow from one attack to the other in a combo. Works best on Momus but can work for other staves. Hammers are Vamp Cataclysm number one with Wicked Thrasher, Mirrored Thrasher, Rapid Thrasher and Cross Cata all very good too

[stray notch]

I`m now in a run with Born gain and Nova flurish but for some reason I do not regen any mana... any idea why?

[fair horizon]

You regen full magick once it runs out

[loud moat]

Any more details? What do you mean? Born gain doesn’t regen the same way others do.

When you bottom out, if you use magic regen it fills the bar again but with less max magic (priming)

[fair horizon]

That's born gain gimmick mindless magick regen

[sage flame]

yeah you just keep using magick

[stray notch]

It simply doesnt give me any mana, I stay with empty mana

[sage flame]

use it when empty

[loud moat]

Honestly the way it lets you cast the omega is the best part about it. Sometimes with other regens I try to cast an omega and I end up wasting a precious few seconds.

[sage flame]

or are you out of primed magick

[fair horizon]

Then you don't have Born Gain or you have all magick primed

[loud moat]

In addition to unlimited magic overall

[stray notch]

I can stream my run if you want, I am on it rnight now

[loud moat]

Gotta show a screenshot or it’s a serious bug never seen before

Show us, not to dis-believe you, but it’s more likely it’s something you’re not familiar with about the boon

[stray notch]

Added as friend

[sage flame]

my guess would be primed magick causing it

[loud moat]

That’s my guess too.

[loud moat]

Auto Fire was the culprit

[spare kite]

Classic

[stray notch]

Yes

so with autofire the only way to trigger the mana regen is to channel omega cast

[sage flame]

ah

autofire is so janky in this game cause of omegas

there's really not a good workaround other than adding another button but I know controller space is already tight

[fair horizon]

The Salute button is doing nothing during the fights, and I think left trigger's also free?

[sage flame]

yeah salute was my thought

[stray notch]

Yeah but now that I found out this omega cast gimmic is quite ok

I was trying tom use this build but tbh it is not that great:

Choose Mel staff.
Use The Sorceress Arcana.
Turn on Auto-Fire on the option menu.
Use Hera's Keepsake and get Born Gain, preferably Epic/Heroic
Get a Dual Moonshot hammer.
Get Nova Flourish, Blinding Sprint, Super Nova, and Exceptional Talent.
(Optional) Get Hermes's Nimble Limbs & Nimble Mind.
Hold the Special button till the end of time.

I think it was an old meta or something

there is no way I can kill typhoon with this setupo

[fair horizon]

It's not bad if you also get the Gigaburst hammer and have enough magic to not prime out.

[stray notch]

For aspect of Pan is aphrodite still the best pick or hera is more dmg now?

[sage flame]

poseidon special for pan is the meta

[bleak night]

Get flat damage over % damage

[stray notch]

is there a document with the builds maybe? So I don't bother you with n00b questions ahah

[sage flame]

in EA people are a bit more hesitant to make build docs atm but there may be some floating around, im not aware of any pan specific ones tho

[formal pulsar]

I hate artificier so much. how do ppl not forget and pick the rewards automatically by memory 😭😭

how does blitz that was put an enemy with an o attack interact with arc flash? does it proc right right, or it needs to be hit a second time?

[obsidian remnant]

apply blitz with whatever you have it on (attack/special), an omega move after should proc it

i haven't seen a first omega hit proc it

[formal pulsar]

i meant what if the attack that applied the blitz was itself an omega

[obsidian remnant]

i can run a build and double check but afaik it requires a 2nd move to proc

[fair horizon]

The attack/omega that applies blitz cannot proc it

Unless it's a multihit move, of course

That's why Arch Flash is very good with quick hitting or multihit omegas

[upbeat oar]

it doesn't unless its multiple hits. Im a big fan of black coat + heaven flourish + arc flash for this exact reason

you can land blitz 2-3 times for each omega special with that build

[formal pulsar]

so attach blitz torch is pretty good

[fair horizon]

yerps

[formal pulsar]

or a spinning blitz would be awesome

[fair horizon]

aye aye

[upbeat oar]

if you're thinking the Axe, the charge up time is too slow IMO.

black coat is faster both in hits and charge time

[fair horizon]

The spin attack is still multihit and is funny

spin-to-win, etc

[formal pulsar]

i have a hate relationship with the coat special, but i will try it out

[upbeat oar]

seems like everyone does for some reason

[formal pulsar]

rockets just fly away and take forever to hit the enemy

[upbeat oar]

but its great for any status effect flourish. I think I dodge better because I play with it so much

[fair horizon]

the coat is very agile and fun

[upbeat oar]

Torch, blitz, hitch, etc

[formal pulsar]

i do remap the special if i am playing the coat so I can spam it better but I have never played a special dedicated coat run

[upbeat oar]

not so much apollo, aphrodite (unless you get a lot of additional power), Heph, Ares, etc.

I wish you could get individual times for bosses, because this run I just did was insane with a coat arc blitz. #h2-victory-boasting message

Im not particularly trying to go fast either

just keep your special magic cost low

[bleak night]

Just put Hera Special on it and call it a day ngl

Unless you're doing attack-focused, then Blitz works but I prefer getting Static Shock

[stray notch]

level 18 hearoic wave flourish with Pan, this is gonna be fun ahahah

[upbeat oar]

coat is wayyy better with heaven flourish and arc flash. Blitz is applied 2-3 times per omega. add in any crit modifier and it gets crazy.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1345000220030668964/image.png?ex=67c44611&is=67c2f491&hm=aeccc9016f812c13ffa987c1c2a629b5d91b23cac27cb38fd4072c87449174ea&

Put Hera rockets and call it a day, don't need to omega

This is way better for a pure Special build

[upbeat oar]

A. you are absolutely better than me at this game.

B. please just try it. I am not good at this game and I am getting 18 minutes

[bleak night]

Arc Flash is good tho for sure, I tried it. I just think Hera spam needs less effort

[upbeat oar]

thats fair

[bleak night]

Both are good ngl, and Arc Flash Omega Special is quite a good shout since most people like Blitz Missiles to go with Wave Strike anyway

[upbeat oar]

I bet with the hera build you also don't have to worry about magic as much. Born again being absolutely insane

[bleak night]

Oh you just don't use the omegas for the most part

You walk around spamming the Special button without charging

Arc Flash is really fun on Torches though if you tried it

[upbeat oar]

true, shimmering rockets + any kinda power increase would make it go wild. I've played the build with hera. I just find it lacking when you are up against a solo boss: Eris, Prometheus, Cerb, or Typhon. Its a lot better in a multi enemy fight like Scylla or clearing rooms

which is MOST of the time in a run

[bleak night]

Can probs shift to Apollo if you need the damage maybe. I like Hera because Origination is active after a Cast

I've been running Zeus for mostly Static Shock on Coat recently because everything just works with it

I did try a Selene run with Zeus Attack and it was pretty interesting

[upbeat oar]

the legendary aphrodite + her cast solved that problem for me for the Arc Coat. the aphro cast can fulfill the romantic spark. So I only 4 specific boons and any magic generation.

the aphro cast also groups up enemies making the shimmering rockets not as neccesary

I do love the static shock + that Artemis boon that adds an arrow for specials + bounce

Need an airtraffic controller for everything flying through the air at that point

[bleak night]

I don't really like relying on legendaries for the most part ngl, when I do I just never get them

[steady crater]

I just beat what awaits at the top of the mountain (first time i was getting there)

Most insane build ever : in expected value, people attacking me meant me gaining life !

63% dodge chance (32 from hermes, 21 from aphrodite, 10 from hestia), without counting daze that i have 23% of inflicting with my attack (that i don't necessarily use a lot)

When i dodge, i regain 10 life from the apollo hestia duo

When i do get hit, it's capped at 20 from demeter's infusion, and i regain 30% (6) from apollo's infusion

So even if i only take hits that deal 20 or more, the expected value is
0.63*10-0.37*14=1.12

[stray notch]

I was about to play with coat for the first time. So the easy mode is just spam hera special? Nothing more?

[bleak night]

This one is more consistent #h2-builds-and-combat message

[bleak night]

Warm Breeze is rly good

[formal pulsar]

does the slowdown boon from the total eclipse hex work on guardians?

i dont think it does, just confirming

[median anvil]

yeah survivability can go crazy in this game, mynt here has defeated both the surface final boss and chronos without moving

chronos vid was 32 fear too i think?

[wild sun]

Is fetching array rare or something? I feel like I've seen that hammer exactly once, and that was half a dozen runs ago.

[formal pulsar]

Rng giveth and rng taketh away. There are 12 hammers and you see 3 twice. It is likely that you might stretches where you don’t see a certain hammer

[hazy crater]

It sucks that you can't reroll hammers

[wild sun]

It's weird cuz you can reroll basically everything else

[hazy crater]

Yeah

[left echo]

Been building aspect of pan with posidans special and I am still struggling to clear the third surface boss consistantly. Any other build recommendations for beating the third zone and clearing the new content?

[wild sun]

Add Hera to your build if you haven't already, on the cast

[left moat]

what torch builds do yall like? trying to round out my 8 fear surface clears and just cannot get past prometheus

[hazy crater]

That boss is tricky. My advice is to stay mobile and be willing to stop attacking to get out of the way of his attacks.

[left moat]

first time with a poseidon splash build second with a demeter + cast build, should i just go full into hera?

[hazy crater]

He heavily punishes you if you don't try to dodge his attacks, it's better it lose an opportunity to get a bunch of damage in if it means you avoid him damaging you heavily in return

Also, I recommend lightning lance or hestias equivalent, it allows you to place a cast further from you which means you don't have to get as close to him

[left moat]

yeag i was using apollo's gain though

[bleak night]

Which Torch are you using

[left moat]

im so not used to ranged combat in this game tbh

[bleak night]

play Moros, it's basically a Melee Torch

[left moat]

currently moros, but im open to use others

although you're supposed to use it like. 2 omega specials active use it to make blasts around you

arent you

[bleak night]

Hera keepsake start into Born Gain, find Zeus for Special and put Ares on Attack so you can fish for Grievous Blow. Alternatively do Ares on Special and Hera on Attack and still find Grievous Blow for the Ares Wounds because the damage bonus is just really good. On Cast, Demeter is preferred. Start stacking Magick and get Fine Line when you have around 220-250. You can use Hecate's keepsake at some point like in Olympus for the max MP, since it gives 100 at rank 3, and even if you remove it for the final region it stays once unequipped

[bleak night]

Just 1 Omega Special is needed. Whatever ghosts go through you can detonate with a normal Special

Best keepsake for offense in the final area is Metallic Droplet since the attack speed boost is raw dps for your omega attacks and the channeling speed is good for both your Omega Special uptime and Omega Attack

[left moat]

hmm ive used born gain before but since i use hubris i run out of magick so quick

[uneven palm]

Take doggo

[bleak night]

are you using Hecuba ?

[left moat]

no, i've been using gale.

[uneven palm]

Hecuba gives such a huge buffer for Hubris/Born Gain/Static Shock

[left echo]

Ill try throwing hera cast into my build. Im using the strength card so no DD and thats been a struggle when I get to the 2nd and 3rd bosses. Any other boons I should be on the lookout for? Or a familiar recommendation?

[left moat]

need to upgrade her magick then

[bleak night]

yeah you'll 100% need Hecuba, she's +60 max MP at maximum level

[bleak night]

what weap are you usin

[left echo]

Dont think I have hecuba yet. I have the other 3 ones though. And i am using pan daggers

[bleak night]

Oh, don't quite need Hecuba

Arctic Ring is pretty good on it like most other things

[uneven palm]

Are you using Origination? Damage can fall off hard at Cerb if you don’t have that

[bleak night]

Wave Flourish with Slip and Arctic Ring is Origination already, plus with Poseidon and Dem you can stack Water for the infusions

[left echo]

This is for a surface clear so dont need to worry about Cerb

[bleak night]

For Gain you can use Hera but other stuff works just as fine like Zeus

Pan isn't as mana hungry as other aspects that do use it, since the rotations do heavy damage and only cost 30

you can manage with just Ionic Gain for the most part, even Fluid Gain can do some work

[slate trench]

does blood spree work with scars 3?

[bleak night]

no lol

Plentiful Forage does for some reason

[slate trench]

i was surprised to find that the staff omega attack hammer that heals you works (Cant remember the name)

[bleak night]

that one seems intentional

the other stuff not so sure

[slate trench]

damn i didnt realize plentiful forage though, that sounds like easy mode

[bleak night]

Ares-Dem-Heph core sounds pretty good right about now

just earth stacking again

[formal pulsar]

Plentiful forage works on scars III?

[bleak night]

yep lol

[obsidian remnant]

i wonder if that's because it's %-based restoration vs. direct HP restoration?

are there any other %-based HP effects in the game?

[bleak night]

Preserved Hope, which works that way as well. But Self-Healing doesn't

Breath of Eros isn't either I think

[obsidian remnant]

i wonder if it's because self-healing and breath of eros are both calculated based on an HP number (the number of HP lost)

preserved hope and plentiful forage are both based on max HP right?

by this logic dio's wouldn't work either

[sage flame]

it's just inconsistent because bugs :)

[civic ocean]

Plentiful Forage, Vampiric Cataclysm, Self-Healing, and Charity Bottle, Engraved Pin, and Death Defiances all heal through Scars 3

[magic moss]

wait self healing works? also pin and dds arent really "healing" imo

[civic ocean]

IDK what else to call pin really, if you survive you get healed for 60 essentially right?

Self-healing worked for me yes, I am like 95% sure I had scars 3 on and it was working

[amber dagger]

Cut above duo with heph is amazing

On moros

[jovial pivot]

OK I need a detailed guide on 32 fear surface and how to assblast them all

[amber dagger]

Cut above heph and area duo ares and Apollo duo win

[jovial pivot]

That's not detailed

[uneven palm]

Easiest 32 surface I’d recommend is Moros or Mel Torches. Take Hecuba and use Strength. Start Hera’s keepsake, get Born Gain. Add Fine Line from her too. This is the bulk of your damage, shredding magick and also enemies. Hold attack, things die. Get Origination online somehow. Thessaly take Athena and roll for Righteous Pike. Damage is set. Take Heph (if you don’t have him already) in Olympus for defense, or Wheel for more max magick and also an HP boost if you have/get Uncanny Fortitude.

Easiest pact I use is max pain, wards, menace, return, hubris, denial, forfeit, shadow, time. 1 Frenzy, 1 Fangs. Skip debt so you can buy a ton of HP from shops and Hermes shrines.

[jovial pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-25088894

Is there like a detailed arcane loadout

[left echo]

Which one is better the shrinking boon or the growing boon?

[formal pulsar]

depends really. if you have a good build and enough sustained dmg I take shrinking for defense. if not i take the global dmg

[left echo]

Went for shrinking for the defense. Thanks!

[formal pulsar]

is demeter literally the worst trial god, why is her trial sooo annoying

[gritty solstice]

THEY NERFED THE SKULLS

[civic ocean]

what fear, the fear matters a lot on surface

[uneven palm]

For that build rolls and cash corner, persistence, Origination, Sorceress, Furies, rest is up to you.

[uneven palm]

I did that exact build earlier today and stomped through everything if you wanna see it in action https://youtu.be/H0LZ4hDAHVo?si=NPWwI6Rp6_ddSHPL

[formal pulsar]

does Pain III really works that well for you. I have a hard time thinking it makes the run easier than Fangs II or Frenzy II

[uneven palm]

When you get hit it hurts but you’re way less likely to get hit with Frenzy 1 and Fangs 1. There’s a lot of Fangs BS even with the nerfs. And with full healing you can top back up before bosses

Could do Frenzy 2 Pain 1 but if you’ve been playing a bunch of Frenzy 2 dropping to 1 feels like the game got easy

[formal pulsar]

that's true. I will mix it up and see. I am still trying to clear the last couple of aspects on 32

[wild sun]

Is lucid gain good on aspect of charon? I mean you're probably standing in your cast when you use your special on that one, so could it work out?

[magic moss]

its BIS yeah

[wild sun]

BIS? What does that mean

[magic moss]

best in slot

[wild sun]

Cool

[analog quail]

are you allergic to using the olympus statues or something

[left moat]

how useful is aspect of nyx?

finally got enough plasma to unlock it

[buoyant ember]

I've yet to figure out how to use it effectively. The other 2 aspects feel significantly stronger and more useful

[past salmon]

This guy thinks we remember they exist 🔥

[uneven palm]

Yeah exactly

[steady tartan]

it can be pretty cool if you know how to use it, if not the other two are probably better

[past salmon]

Nyx is just pretty bad unfortunately
Hoping to see some kind of buff to it and also Coat in general

[left moat]

olympus statues carry me through olympus tbh

[left moat]

i love coat and yeah i think it needs some buffing, esp around the special

[analog quail]

they’re glowing!!!!

[buoyant ember]

Using a pretty expensive dash for 5s of more aoe doesn't seem super useful on coat tbh

[left moat]

it feels kinda like sister blades a while back where the special is like barely useful

[past salmon]

You overestimate my ability to pay attention to literally anything

[analog quail]

smh

[left moat]

the demeter statues go crazy

[uneven palm]

Also like why bring the statues into this I think I was handling the baddies ok

[analog quail]

oh yeah you were fine i just found it funny that you couldn’t take the time out of your day to press interact once on the thing you were standing right next to as you were melting said baddies

[bleak night]

glowing just means they can strain my eyes while I still ignore them

they're quite good, that being said

[analog quail]

the zeus one SHREDS

[steady tartan]

they are good and i think its a neat feature

[left moat]

zeus one needs careful timing to use but when used right is great

demeter in that one room where its in the corner is insane

[analog quail]

hestia’s windmill is funny

i’ve only run into pos once and it was fine ig

[sage flame]

my gripe with the statues is you can't activate them from every angle unfortunately

at least when I've tried

[quick crescent]

found a staff build i like and it's momus with apollo and tons of omega cast effects

exceptional talent is crazy strong for momus and eos

daybreakers/momus snakes stack very well with their duplicates

especially the latter since it essentially takes adds another repeat that damages simultaneously with the first

i think i actually got it on solar ring, i'd like to try and get it on anvil ring or rapture ring next time maybe

and go for air quality to beef up the gales

[civic ocean]

I haven't managed to hit ET momus yet in my climb

[formal pulsar]

i feel like the game is sending me a message 😔😔 just dont use the special

https://imgur.com/a/n3dCbga

https://imgur.com/ix4hpn6

[quick crescent]

it was ridiculous trying to grind for it pre warsong honest to god

the additional magic used actually cracks your hex as long as you have the gain/arcana to make it back up

[past salmon]

O-Attack would go ballistic here and imo it's more fun than special anyway so 🔥

[delicate python]

Anyone have any tips on how to beat surface 32 fear?
I've been playing with the xinth so many times but I can't get far enough

[slate pecan]

how to play medea again?

[spare kite]

Load 1 skull > special repeat

[slate pecan]

awesome thank you

[spare kite]

With the new skull ammo change I think is fine-ish loading 2 sometimes for bigger targets