h2-builds-and-combat

[uneven palm]

Subsequent, I’m pretty sure

[sage flame]

more mel skull clips anyone?

||https://youtu.be/WMvueZ2rLwE||

[uneven palm]

I wonder how long until they dial this one back

[magic moss]

48 hours at most, if the outcry isnt enough my boonless 50 should send some alarms

or this will be another patch 1 momus situation where it gets nerfed in like 2 weeks

hopefully they nerf it soon

[celest belfry]

||Born Gain: whenever you run out of magick, prime until next location to restore all magick. ||

Is this a solution to a lot of priming? Like does it take away other priming from other boons?

[glad nova]

Do people just not use the skulls omega special? Reading some discussions and I find it absurd when people said the skull needed s buff. Ive always found the omega special extremely reliable.

[junior trail]

no, prime with born gain resets only its own prime, not reset prime from boons/hubris etc

[formal pulsar]

persephone was one of my favorite aspects. but normal attacks got all the love.

[analog ether]

I will admit, it was very fun to sit at the back of Typhon's map and just send a steady stream of amped up skulls at him.

[celest belfry]

That's rude. I just got echoed into it

[analog ether]

Bolstered and Fetching Array on Mel skulls is kinda cracked though.

[jovial terrace]

bolstered + possessed array and paired with cardio gain + hestia/hera duo (pure flashbang and stonks)

[civic ocean]

The skulls aren’t a very intuitive weapon to use because you can click the attack button and nothing happens and they have a lot less ammo than the rail did

You can see it reflected in how the weapon was changed - it’s much easier to use now in a more standard, attack-based way

[granite sierra]

just lost a run with a level 15 heroic aphro attack boon on the axe to kronos insta kill
never running without death defiance again

i had 250% extra damage man this hurts

[trim bronze]

fetching array turning aspect of mel into a machine gun is fun

[wild sun]

I don't know how many people have discovered it, but Hephaestus is nuts on aspect of Momus.

[gritty solstice]

My skulls arent buffed.

[lunar lance]

Rapture Ring.
Meat Grinder.
Momus staff.

I don't know if i'm looking at this correctly, but I think that Momus's repeated omega cast bursts actually create a new Blade Rift every time?

[timber pawn]

what date was the last patch on the main menu, should say today

[lunar lance]

Rapture Ring is just great with Meat Grinder in general; draw-in effect + death tornado

[analog ether]

So is Arctic Ring.

Lock 'em in place, and blend 'em.

[magic moss]

what part about heph?

[wild sun]

All right, so I had attempted to get this build going months ago, but I didn't have the resources invested to make it work as best it could. I finally got it to work tonight and I beat ||Typhon|| with it. Basically, you take aspect of Momus and put Hephaestus on the attack. Now, normally his blasts have a cool down, but when applied to Momus Omega attack at max level, the attack fires off every 1.5 seconds, so every second and a half that's a nice big furnace blast. Add in grand caldera and the duo with Hestia, and you're really cooking with gas, pun intended. Don't forget to grab plenties of Hermes boons to speed things up a bit.

[crimson raven]

Steady Growth can target itself. Probably not intended.

[crimson raven]

litereally any build can do that. It's not momus specific in any way.

[magic moss]

oh so just pommed heph attack on echoes, not bad

[wild sun]

It's a simple spell but quite unbreakable.

[magic moss]

i would actually recommend doing it but with the heph core on special if you want, higher scaling and you can have a stronger % dmg boon on the attack with the recent omega attack buffs

[wild sun]

Elaborate?

[willow phoenix]

why not all attack, special, and dash

[wild sun]

That's actually how I beat Chronos the first time.

I couldn't hit him very well at all but I could run like a champ so I just ran around him for a couple of minutes and that did the trick.

Needless to say I'm better now, but fond memories... from a few months ago

[willow phoenix]

lol, but imo too much blast can be detrimental, I prefer only 1 or 2 for blast builds then going for the hestia and apollo duo

[wild sun]

Naturally. I just found something simple that works really well.

[crimson raven]

any build can do a normal attack every 2 seconds. It's super strong but not specific to momus other than letting the echos do stuff while you sit around. It's even stronger with things like the heph/apollo duo. Or nowadays with the new Hera boon (supposedly).

[wild sun]

You don't necessarily have to sit around for it

[willow phoenix]

It's pretty easy to set up for 2s blast attack on erebus now imo, especially with the incantation to reroll seeds. You can rerolls until you hit heroic attack with divinity, then reroll other major rewards for poms

you only need 3 poms for attack

[magic moss]

im actually not a big fan of heph attack or special on momus

[crimson raven]

outside of that specific late game build, it's usually not a great idea.

because only 1 of 3 echos get anything from it

[wild sun]

No all three do

[crimson raven]

No they don't. Not unless you've got it at max level.

[wild sun]

All three echoes get the blast

I mean timing aside, all three echoes get the blast.

[crimson raven]

Heph attack/special are usually bad ideas on momus. But momus is so busted it hardly matters.

[wild sun]

I mean I found it to be super effective, but I'm not sure what experience you've had.

[willow phoenix]

I mean, only if you have low enough cd

[magic moss]

i find having a % dmg boon on momus is better for both attack and special, as the echoes deal the bonus damage as well

heph attack and special have an upper limit to damage

[crimson raven]

They do, but the limit is plenty high enough to shred anything.

[wild sun]

And shred it did

Gloriously

[magic moss]

eh it hits an effective limit at like 32 fear ish before it really starts to fall off compared to other options

[crimson raven]

Max heph builds are some of the strongest things in the game. It just takes lots of investment to get there and the first 1/2-3/4 of your run can be rough.

[wild sun]

A bit of luck early on might've helped me on this one.

[crimson raven]

Heph/Posiedon duo is still the single best thing to put on charon axe by a wide margin. Especially with the the new geyser spout.

Figures the boat stick loves water.

[magic moss]

i kinda disagree, max heph builds are fun and strong in some cases yes, but it doesnt compare to the S tier builds like Pan Poseidon or Blitz Medea

[crimson raven]

I dunno how good pan poseidon is after yet another Hammer nerf for it.

[past salmon]

Heph builds def aren't the strongest in the game but they are good yeh

[wild sun]

Eh, I was just kind of happy to share something that I connected the dots on myself.

[past salmon]

Still broken! Lmao

[magic moss]

I think Ares is a stronger as it current stands, and Dem gives options like Local Climate and that other cast dmg upgrade duo

[crimson raven]

The issue is that OTHER builds with pan daggers aren't anywhere near as good, so if you take pan you feel really pushed into doing poseidon.

[past salmon]

For Charon geyser spout is one of the single best boons you can get Mini

[magic moss]

i was moreso talking about heph/pos duo being the best thing to put on charon, i dont disagree with geyser spout

[past salmon]

I mean yeh the duo is whatever
The advantage it has over Ares duo is that it has pos tho

[crimson raven]

Pan keeps getting nerfed HARD just to tone down the poseidon build.

[past salmon]

I would prefer geyser spout over Ares Dem duo anyway

[wild sun]

Ares led me to some insanity a few nights ago

[past salmon]

Ares is very good yes

I gotta play some Charon tonight actually now that you can just supe TF out of its channel speed

[crimson raven]

The ares/dem duo actually has a problem with charon. It makes any "your omega cast does X" effects follow you around instead of going off where you wanted.

[wild sun]

I'm still laughing about it. I got to be so fast during the fight against ||Typhon|| that I literally could not control Melinoe.

[crimson raven]

Other than that it's still pretty strong for it. But stuff like meat grinder or prominence flare will get wasted.

[past salmon]

I mean Prominence flare is just a nerf on Charon anyway

[magic moss]

oh yeah foolish did u see

[past salmon]

Wot

[magic moss]

mel skulls boonless 50 :D its so broken lmfao

[past salmon]

Oh yeh I did
I mean like yeh aspect is broken atm lol

[magic moss]

took me 2 hours lmao

[crimson raven]

someone at supergiant LOVES the skulls and HATES the daggers.

[magic moss]

all of the blades are in a good state wym

[past salmon]

Daggers also got a buff this patch TF you mean 😭

Also yeh blades r solid

I think they maybe despise Coat
Specifically Nyx

[crimson raven]

2 of 5 attacks are slightly faster vs "I have 2/3 more ammo on my ammo based weapon".

[wild sun]

The daggers are still my favorite weapon. My Hestia/Demeter build has gotten me quite far.

[past salmon]

We aren't saying they didn't do silly things to Mel skulls we are saying they clearly don't hate daggers lol

[crimson raven]

remember when they cut the final hit of dagger attack by 40 damage?

remember hook knives and spiral knives?

[wild sun]

Well now hook knives is built into the knives on default

[crimson raven]

Meanwhile skulls get posessed array.

[crimson raven]

only the regular, not the omega special.

[past salmon]

o special got piercing baseline 🤷‍♂️

[wild sun]

Okay I'm going to fire up the game and actually observe this.

[past salmon]

Regardless Blades are in a decently good spot atm

[wild sun]

Blades are pretty balanced imo

[willow phoenix]

it's wild imo that coat is untouched

[past salmon]

Most weapons r this patch actually

Coat needs some overall buffs I think

[crimson raven]

coat got a massive buff

[past salmon]

Still needs buffs

[wild sun]

So it is only the basic special

[crimson raven]

The missiles need fixing.

[magic moss]

coat needs small base damage buffs and some oattack channel speed and it should be fine tbh

[wild sun]

Not sure how I never noticed that

[junior trail]

maybe 360-degree aiming radius for coat o.special? the current 45 degree is a bit limited

[past salmon]

Channel speed would be nice

[crimson raven]

The missiles don't home like they're supposed to and get blocked by objects constantly.

[magic moss]

like maybe +5 power to attack and 30% buff to oattack channel speed

[crimson raven]

You need the hammer that makes them 80% faster to get them to work properly

[past salmon]

Give exhaust riser base just full send frfr

What if we just gave Coat all of its hammer base

Skull 2.0 🔥

[crimson raven]

Yeah a lot of the coat hammers could be better.

There's no "yeah I super want that" hammer for coat. Just "I need this to fix it"

Selene coat is still good just because of how bonkers the hex is.

Maxed skyfall hex is stupid strong and spammable. It just autopilots the run for you.

[magic moss]

i actually dont know about the state of selene in high fear, think its still on the weaker end?

[crimson raven]

"faster lockon" hammer can just go. The "fire missiles when you block" hammer should be "fire full charge O-attack when you block" or something like that.

[crimson raven]

Take selene keepsake to start the run, max it out asap. Get the +2 target big upgrade. It's solid on high heat, but a ton of your power is in the hex. Fortunatly it's pretty spammable.

Make sure you get an attack boon that works well with it.

Demeter and Hera are the best ones.

[magic moss]

ik i play on 50 fear consistently

[wild sun]

I could never, on my best day I am not locked in like that.

[crimson raven]

I play on 25 fear permanently.

[wild sun]

I could do about 20 consistently

[crimson raven]

same with hades 1. It's just default 25 heat/fear.

[magic moss]

theres just a lot of limitations that make selene not that great compared to other aspects, most notably the reliance on the hex to function as an aspect. Think most 50F runners just play Selene like bad mel coat nowadays which is a shame

tho i do want it to work tho, might go for boonless selene next

[crimson raven]

well the problem is with the base stats of the coat, not the selene aspect. The hex is what you get and it's super strong.

Nyx coat is much less interesting for me.

[magic moss]

eh its just the requirement for significant channeling of omegas to use mana and get the hex active on the coat's subpar omegas just isnt that great on 50 so its hard to get real value out of the hex compared to something like slapping zeus special and playing for blitz

[crimson raven]

I still need to do a run focused on the coat O-attack, though. With the new buff getting apollo legendary on coat should be great.

100 power to 250 is bonkerks

the charge is just the odd part. Getting stuff that speeds up attacks makes the charge shorter though. I think it needs more of a reward for successfully blocking stuff.

Like a block will give it charge or boost it's damage or something.

imagine if a hammer gave the coat shield athena's deflect?

that would be cool

[solar pine]

Is there an indicator for when Eris's single charged shot is going to fire? She holds it awhile and I tend to dash back and forth through her but she turns around fast enough that it's inconsistent whether that actually avoids it. Is there something to look out for that tells when it's about to fire?

[analog ether]

You're better off hiding behind one of the pillars (or bring Frinos) and just getting a feel for the timing.

[junior trail]

i wonder if EM eris can destroy the pillars or sth similar, that would be so cool

[solar pine]

Some of Eris's attacks already destroy the pillars so hiding isn't always viable

[valid pine]

Has Light Smite always damaged the entire room???

I thought it only damaged the attacking enemy, then Dazed the entire room

[analog ether]

I don't think it's necessarily the entire room per say, but all enemies that are currently on screen. But yeah, Daze and damage both.

[valid pine]

Its always been such?
Light Smite just cleared an entire room this patch on its own and i like,,,
never ever remembered it doing it prior

[faint oyster]

Does Scorch Ring work with Persephone's aspect?

[valid pine]

I dont see why not

[faint oyster]

Kinda wondering which ones you can use without having to rely on an omega cast.

[valid pine]

I wonder if the fireball from glowing coal counts for persephone,,,

[willow phoenix]

iirc no? Since it deals scorch. Similar to how the hera cast hitch damage doesn't count

[faint oyster]

So best bets are Frost Ring, Shock Ring, Glamour Ring, and Sword Ring, and Anvil Ring?

[willow phoenix]

I like tidal and anvil

heroic tidal can get you to full with like 2 enemies hit

[faint oyster]

huh

[willow phoenix]

Anvil is great with winner's circle and pretty good too in general

[valid pine]

I adore Sword and Winners Circle

[willow phoenix]

frost for more safety, the damage is okayish but the freeze is great

[willow phoenix]

And tidal since it's poseidon synergizes well with Aphro if you're going Aphro on special with their duo and all. If Hera on special then Heph would have the better duo with brave face

global nervous wreck is fun

[valid pine]

Brave Face is so nice,,, especially with the new heph gain boon

Does the new Heph Gain have a pom limit?
Ive never been able to get it past -11

That +strength + brave face I was taking 0 damage from chronos' golden projectiles,

I could walk into them and theyd destroy and take zero damage it was so cool

[willow phoenix]

I think I saw someone with -15

[wild sun]

So, heard good things about a poseidon/blades build, anyone have specifics on that?

[willow phoenix]

get pan, get poseidon special, get a gain boon preferably hera gain,get a cast boon with curse for origination preferably dem cast, shred everything

Just keep getting more poseidon and hope for legendary

[wild sun]

Gotcha

[valid pine]

Since the sister blades, most of their attack/specials have a low Power
most percent increases dont do all that much for them
the flat increase from Poseidon Splashes are huge jumps in damage

Also Pan + Poseidon Special is just free extremely high damage
Throw an Ares core boon in there and get their Duo too

[magic moss]

no

[willow phoenix]

o yeah forgot about the new ares duo, 25% chance for double wave damage

[valid pine]

It makes me a little sad that it doesnt make the splashs totally red

[willow phoenix]

yea the red is like sad red lol

[valid pine]

Instead it makes the doubled splashes a little bit red and black but still mostly blue

[willow phoenix]

like technically a little red but not really blood red

[valid pine]

I hope a mod comes out where it makes the splashes just all bloody and metal

[willow phoenix]

sgg themselved would probably do it down the line

it's like pretty low in the priority list lol

A lot of bugs were not fixed in the new patch so even the fixes for those didn't make it for patch time

[wild sun]

The duo between Hestia and Poseidon seems fun

[valid pine]

We love moeny

Ohp I misread that as Hera

[wild sun]

If an enemy afflicted by slip get's hit by any of Hestia's fire effects they get steamed to death

I think I killed the sirens in less than 30 seconds with it

[magic moss]

.

[wild sun]

I'm sitting there like "What did I just stumble onto?"

[crimson raven]

wait did they give the daggers their damage back on the final hit?

I swear it used to be 120, then it got nerfed to 80, and now it's back to 120.

If so then that's good.

no wait it's back to 80 now....wtf is going on?

nvm I figured it out. Derp.

[willow phoenix]

It's bugged rn I think lol

or at least it did in my run lol

[wild sun]

Seems to be working fine

For one of my more cobbled together runs, that went rather smoothly

[willow phoenix]

Oh the new effect is just very not noticeable lol

[wild sun]

It is hard to tell visually sometimes when it's working, but the health bar going down speaks for itself I think.

[willow phoenix]

There can only be one vapor per enemy right? Because I can't tell lol

[runic summit]

Pan hestia + freezer burn is a pretty good substitute ime

[surreal hazel]

So I got expanded array and wide grin on the new skulls.... and it's still not a good combo

7 skull salvo and bombard and I still wish I took something else

[wild sun]

It does not stack

[willow phoenix]

Use o attack with it

[past salmon]

R U using omega?

[surreal hazel]

Yeah, I too thought as you did

[wild sun]

Freezer burn is awesome

[willow phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlytfPhM5ps

[surreal hazel]

it's not good, 7 skulls for 10 mana should be good and it isn't

[past salmon]

O-Attack wide grin with bolstered literally oneshots Typhon phases

Idk wtf Ur doing wrong 😭

[surreal hazel]

I did have Flame skulls so I guess

apollo I get being better

just felt so awkward to use, and I got better DPS just hammering the attack button

[past salmon]

Brother why TF U running flame strike skulls 😭

[runic summit]

The first time I beat typhon was with a hestia knives build iirc, although I think I was just, unable to get freezer burn lol

[surreal hazel]

mostly just experimenting if it was good, I got burning desire going

[runic summit]

So I just stacked scorch desperately running around like a headless chicken until he fell

[surreal hazel]

new buffs mean I try things that conventionally don't work

[past salmon]

Spoiler alert it isn't good 🔥

[surreal hazel]

I mean, 7 skull bombard on Sworn Strike... I wanna try that for screen clear potential

Dunno if ares helps much

Vicious strike seems designed to work equally well on anything so I guess it'd be fine

[wild sun]

Did you get anything from Demeter?

[willow phoenix]

Apollo still seems the best because o attack aoe is huge and that apollo leg doubles the damage

[runic summit]

I did, I got demeter attack I think? Or maybe cast, I don't remember.
....no I think hestia cast demeter attack

[runic summit]

...why, the skulls are slow attacks and thus should be given percentage boons rather than flat damage boons

[wild sun]

My optimal build, personally is; Hestia on attack, Demeter on special, arcana card for duos. Stack the scorch with your attack then run away and chuck a knife to set it off.

[runic summit]

I just got unlucky and ran out of rerolls before the final boss

[runic summit]

Huh, if it's pan knives wouldn't hestia on special be faster application?

[surreal hazel]

experimentation. mashing attack at close range with not-medea seems pretty fast now

[runic summit]

Ohhh, makes sense

[wild sun]

Hm, I haven't tried it with pan knives.

[runic summit]

Although for close range mashing I like aphrodite personally

That was my mel skulls build before um, the buffs

[willow phoenix]

hestia scorch value on special is much lower than the attack

[runic summit]

Ohh, I didn't know that. That makes a lot of sense

[willow phoenix]

Hestia is the only god in the entire roster whose special damage is lower than the attack for reasons only sgg knows lol

[surreal hazel]

and yet it somehow makes sense

in many cases I feel like scorch is better on special and thus should be weaker

but that was also before the change to staff special so that might no longer be true

One would think it would match how wave strike works, but there's an important difference between the two

in that waves are AoE, but trigger once per projectile/strike, scorch applies per enemy hit

(Protip, unless they fixed it, don't use disintegration on Lunar ray with wave strike, but absolutely use it with flame strike)

[twilit tendon]

@autumn island #h2-discussion message oh yeah there are a few

[autumn island]

I entirely forgot this channel lol

[twilit tendon]

with aspect of Mel there's the famous Zeus/aphro duo, where you basically dash through ennemies and apply blitz with your special

[autumn island]

I haven't been following community builds whatsoever

I had forgotten SuperGiant had a discord lmao

[twilit tendon]

before the patch I liked doing attack based build with things like static shock and spirit surge, but with ares I like to go for a blade build

[runic summit]

I've had a good time with mel torches, poseidon attack/special demeter freeze

Also moros, because moros

[twilit tendon]

there's also moros aspect with big hits like aphro / hera

[runic summit]

Also eos poseidon special

[twilit tendon]

I mean you can just play whatever with moros xDD

[autumn island]

I will never get people liking Poseidon boons, they stil annoying me like nothing else, I hate knocking my enemies out of my range lmao

[twilit tendon]

tbh they don't knock that far

and it doesn't matter anyway when you play pan because of the homing effect xD

[autumn island]

What are the recommended choices for 16 Fear? both top and bottom side, mainly for Axe and Coat since those are my two favourites

[twilit tendon]

Frenzy and Time maxed, then depending on how you feel there's Hubris, Denial, Debt, Fangs and Shadow that are pretty easy

if you go surface I'd probably recommend Hubris and fangs

[autumn island]

I find frenzy extremely problematic, since prometheus feels totally undodgeable, like Aetos attacks before I can even dash, and that is with me spamming the dash button

[twilit tendon]

It takes time getting used to it, personnaly I've accepted I can't dodge everything from him

[autumn island]

I also find time a pressing issue on topside, because of the ridiculous amount of running around and invulnerability phases on the bosses, like I have had several fights with Poly where he wouldn't stop jumping and just had like 10 invuln phases that took up a whole minute, and enough time to kill me with the time thingo just because he wouldn't fight

[indigo terrace]

For those weapons at 16 fear, I'd personally do something like: 2 vow of time, 2 menace, 1 debt, 2 hubris, 1 frenzy, 1 fangs, and denial.

For the surface you could maybe use Forfeit since Ephyra allows you to get your main boon pretty quickly but it still feels annoying in the later zones imo

[rugged flicker]

whats the best aspect/boon for the staff?

[indigo terrace]

If time is a problem for you then swap one vow of time for 1 more debt and 1 scars/hordes/wards (depending on build and personal preference)

[autumn island]

I would definitely not use hubris on the Coat since I do Omega Special builds with XD

[indigo terrace]

Ah yeah, if you're using omegas then you could maybe put those two points in Shadow (though that vow can be quite annoying on the surface)

[analog bridge]

iirc there was a boon that made it so all your attacks count as though you're hitting the enemy from the back but I've forgotten who it belongs to, is this the right place to be asking what it is?

[indigo terrace]

Aspect of Momus is generally regarded as the most powerful. It has to be fully upgraded though or else it feels pretty rough. You can use a lot of different boons but Hera attack, Zeus special, and Demeter cast is very good.

[autumn island]

I would normally use 3 vow of time, but the surface has so many spots that waste your time, whether it is running, or bosses and their half dozen invuln phases, that is genuinely my biggest pet peeve with Hades 2, is the surface bosses feeling like they are invulnerable longer than they're damagable

[runic summit]

Which aspects would you say scale well with nightmare/need upgrading as opposed to the ones that don't?

[indigo terrace]

Momus, Pan, Moros, and Medea all scale very well with Nightmare. All of the Melinoe aspects start off doing nothing but generally scale alright once you start investing Nightmare in them.

Generally I'd try to find an Aspect that you like the feeling of for each weapon and then fully upgrade that one before any others

[runic summit]

Huh, I thought pan wouldn't be good because you can just use two omega specials in a cast

[indigo terrace]

The big one is Momus tbh. The others I mentioned definitely get better damage imo but Momus just feels extremely slow when it's not upgraded

[rugged flicker]

yeah was trying it at low upgrades and it was really meh

[robust otter]

Hi pookies any build recommendations for Coat?

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[robust otter]

nice ill give that a try

also tried skull a while ago and its so busted but i still hate how it feels tbh

[languid timber]

what are your recommended argent skull variant?

[bleak night]

Mel Skull just got turbo buffed to the sky, so that one probably

[languid timber]

ook ty bro

[untold zodiac]

does Extended Family work on Heph's blasts?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[primal phoenix]

What got buffed, the bonus dmg ?

[indigo terrace]

The number of skulls has been increased from 3 to 5 and they fire much more quickly

Technically applies to all skulls but helps Aspect of Mel the most

[primal phoenix]

Oh aight

Thanks for the clarification. Haven't used Mel in a while, will try it out later I think

[vale shard]

Yeah it helps all skulls, but mel more than any

[lunar lance]

oh true. Mel skull gets a bonus the more skulls are missing

[quick crescent]

i got ares with possessed array last night, that along with the buffs, an artie boon and raki meant i was dropping serious wounded criticals on typhon like nothing every 3 seconds

i have a screenshot somewhere of me dropping nearly 10,000 damage on him sequentially

that incantation to visualize typhons healthbar can't come soon enough because i NEED to watch it tick down at an unholy pace

[lunar lance]

Has it been announced that we will get his healthbar eventually?

I personally think it'd be neat if we never did, just to make that his personal gimmick

[willow phoenix]

no just people theorizing over it

Mel does say this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1297509307901808664/1344528639353557035/image.png?ex=67c13d5f&is=67bfebdf&hm=6f1481723766c4ef032232f217ab033a599e72c4b0a1a19f7b2a20d5f5d89eb3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=846&height=671

So more likely for never imo

[vale shard]

i def think we will get a spell for it in the future, if not they wouldnt show the hp at the beginning

[lunar lance]

Man, I just don't know what weapon fits for Hephaestus.

The blast is just infrequent enough that the attack or special feels unmodified a good chunk of the time, and it doesn't have a base damage boost like Ares's boons. Most of the weapons, I'll use a given attack just frequently enough that putting Hephaestus on it feels like I'm losing out on a lot of damage

[indigo terrace]

Aspect of Mel Black Coat feels pretty good with a high rarity pommed Heph attack imo

[surreal hazel]

One where you end up getting hammers for the other button

going in hard on mel daggers attack for example,

Volcanic flourish becomes an occasional "This enemy just needs to die" button

used to be more true with the staff special, but now that's actually a bit less of a throwaway button

and great for laying down occasional curses while your attack does the real damage

Volcanic Axe special is kinda nice if you're on thanatos,

[twilit tendon]

what boons would you recommend for a charon axe build ? there seems to be a lot of choices so i'm not sure what's considered "the best"

[surreal hazel]

Lucid Gain, Gyser spout, lucid gain, Vicious flourish and lucid gain

also you should consider using lucid gain and maybe also lucid gain

Lucid Gain.

less of a flippant response is that you should avoid prominence flare like the plague, but other cast boons that trigger on omegas are a great idea

[lunar lance]

ah, I see, that makes sense

[surreal hazel]

There's always stamp rush, but that's a little fiddly

[lunar lance]

Does Charon Axe trigger Meat Grinder?

[surreal hazel]

I think so?

[lunar lance]

I know that Momus staff repeat-omega-cast does

[surreal hazel]

gyser spout too, but they're mutually exclusive

[twilit tendon]

I'll keep that in mind thanks, yeah I think I tried prominence flare and it was basically a run ender xD

[surreal hazel]

and also mutually exclusive with prominence flare, which is yet another reason not to take it

[lunar lance]

yeah, of all the "trigger on omega cast" buffs, I think I like meat grinder most

[surreal hazel]

Local Climate is really good now

[spare kite]

Pretty sure meat and geyser aren't exclusive?

[surreal hazel]

It doesn't say in game, but I checked and they are, unless I'm hallucinating things

Local Climate was excusive with Lightning Lance and Glowing Coal too,

But I think that was moved over to the Demeter/Ares duo, since that's the one that sticks the cast to you

Tipsy shot and Howling Soul should also be exclusive too, all "Your binding circle forms somewhere in particular"boons should be

I have no idea if winning circle is a good or bad idea with charon

probably a bad one by opportunity cost, but it is nice to not get stuck with a 6 second cast if you can't detonate it for some reason

[twilit tendon]

what's the new local climate effect again ? can't find it on the wiki

[surreal hazel]

more omega cast damage, doubly so if you're stood in it when it detonates

[twilit tendon]

oh

perfect for charon then ?

[lunar lance]

I mean, they're super exclusive, in that it's impossible to reach a Dionysus room in a run that takes you to a Hades room.

[surreal hazel]

seems so

[twilit tendon]

you forgot about echo

[surreal hazel]

yeah, but I mean also excluive to glowing coal, lance and hostile environment

[lunar lance]

forgot about echo...

[twilit tendon]

about echo...

[lunar lance]

echo...

[surreal hazel]

echo is also great to see on runs where you're going volcanic

since you should have your poms invested into those, and if she doubles up on pom level then you're gonna be getting that glorious 2 second recharge

[twilit tendon]

if you manage your boons correctly + get a bit lucky with rng you don't even need her

[surreal hazel]

ideally, but plan B is alway good

[twilit tendon]

heroic lvl4 or 5 is already capped (at least on the attack)

[surreal hazel]

especially on flourish, which needs way more

[twilit tendon]

true

[surreal hazel]

also pray for hestia and mayyyybe apollo for the support boons

[twilit tendon]

throw in some aphro too

[surreal hazel]

and Rallying Cry should add +50% damage to heph blasts

and is one of the few ways to actually do that

[twilit tendon]

yeah I was about to say, maybe Ares is a better candidate than aphro

[surreal hazel]

both earth, so not terrible

[twilit tendon]

hearthorbs are cool and all but clang gang

[lunar lance]

Does Easy Shot (artemis boon that shoots a piercing arrow at enemies damaged by omega cast) trigger on Charon omega special blast?

[surreal hazel]

should do, but that boon isn't that great tbh

[lunar lance]

I assume it would

[surreal hazel]

Also Seismic hammer is a volcanic blast like any other and benefits from all blast-supporting boons

[brisk geyser]

i feel like i neglect casts in non cast builds, what are the best general ones, demeter?

[surreal hazel]

Demeter is pretty idiot proof, yeah

Storm ring was a bit nerfed but it's still okay, not a combo tool

Engagement, Rapture, Smolder are all fine because curses

[lunar lance]

Rapture Ring from Aphrodite is some nice crowd-control

[surreal hazel]

oh and solar

[lunar lance]

Not only halts basic enemies, but groups them into all one spot

[surreal hazel]

Tidal ring is more of an attack button than a slowdown circle

but big splash is big

kinda nice for charon since you're not cutting out cast damage when you detonate it early

Rapture ring doesn't feel like a damage dealer... until it is

it scales with poms and rarity unusually well, so I had an epic bridal glow hit and it was mangling stuff suddenly

[loud moat]

Whats the increase on that? I always just filed it away like a poor mans Arctic Ring. Solid for bunching enemies and applying weak but otherwise the damage is negligible

[surreal hazel]

+10 per pom flat iirc

no decay in any sense

[loud moat]

And it starts around 30 or so?

[surreal hazel]

at epic, yeah

4 ticks per cast, sadly doesn't seem to accelerate with winning circle currently

[loud moat]

So its about 1/3 of Anvil Ring roughly.

[surreal hazel]

one extra tick

[loud moat]

Shame about the tick on Winning circle. Should increase the tick rate for all casts imo

[willow phoenix]

Engagement ring with the hitch buff boons is really good

[surreal hazel]

engagement ring is just good

Hereditary bane is also non-decaying pom boon

+10% every level

[loud moat]

Engagement ring hits like a truck now. Just scaling with number of enemies hit.

[surreal hazel]

if you want the old effect, flash fry is here for you

[loud moat]

I do wish that Ares Sword Ring would proc swords at least 2 times. Seems a bit slow. Not that Ares needs buffs as a whole.

I don't mind the Swords Archetype from Ares. Its a holdover from Hades 1. But it seems like a side grade from Zeus Blitz. With Arc Flash (omegas drop your Blitz), you can build almost the same build that requires Ares Cutting Edge and Heph Nail Duo boon to achieve.

I haven't sat down and done the damage comparison between the two effects though. Flat damage I would assume that Ares takes the cake, especially combined with Apollo Duo? And if you snag Rallying cry for 50% olympian damage.

Zeus blitz with arc flash is just easier to set up. Mel Torches + trilple helix + rotation speed hammer you just go nuts.

[willow phoenix]

I wish it procs sword every time it's able to, so getting coffin nail would make it even better

it's just weird that it's limited to 1, my image of a sword cast is raining swords

[lunar lance]

Man, the difference between builds with The Unseen and builds without it is really stark.

With it, I feel like I barely even need to pick a Gain boon at all.
Without it, my Gain becomes mission-critical a lot of the time.

[loud moat]

yea agree. Just 1 sword is such a nothing burger. By the time the sword drops Ive already killed the enemy.

[willow phoenix]

I dropped unseen for boatman after playing with it a long time, with 300 gold you usually can just get another gain boon + a bunch of other stuff. And Hecuba can stall for pretty long for magick needs

[loud moat]

Ares Mortal Gain is goated as well. Never worry about magicka again.

[lunar lance]

Currently, I only have Frinos and Toula. Haven't been able to figure out how to get the bird, or Hecate's familiars

[loud moat]

They could push the prime health to 30 and itd still be amazing honestly.

[loud moat]

play underworld. And make sure to bring treats. You will run into them eventually

[willow phoenix]

Eh 30 is a lot especially if you don't have a lot of magick, can burn through it quickly lol

[timber pawn]

30 would make it totally useless for antler which would be a bummer

One mana refill can be the difference between an alive boss and a dead one

[loud moat]

Lol at 15 its practically only 2 times anyways

[willow phoenix]

no it's 1 lol

[timber pawn]

It's once, but that is impactful

It just stops priming if you have 15hp or less, we've checked haha

[willow phoenix]

the biggest weakness of mortal gain is just that born gain is really good lol

It's very hard to prime out when you have like 200+ magick

[formal pulsar]

That’s true but with the mortal gain you don’t need your magick to be more than what mortal gain restores to you so you can just focus only on health. Epic mortal gain restores 150 which is exactly how much you start with with Hecuba . No need to buy or take spirit toner rooms.

You are pretty much set for the entire run from that point on.

[willow phoenix]

fair, it's also really fun with mutual destruction

eventually I think we'll see some speedrunners doing a no hit run with it or something with some insane mutual destruction numbers

[timber pawn]

Unfortunately it's a little like antler but worse since it resets every room and you'd have to use a boatload of mp to properly prime hp for it, but maybe! It is certainly a good combo

[loud moat]

Does Mutual destruction take into account your Full HP? I thought it would only work with the new primed total

Additionally, does Aphro's Shameless Attitude still operate off of total? Or the new primed total?

[willow phoenix]

It works with the full hp

dunno about shameless tbh

[loud moat]

Damn. I guess theyd be working against eachother if it didnt, but thats still wild.

[willow phoenix]

so if say you have like 30 magick only and 500 health, you can get some insane numbers with like moros lol

[surreal hazel]

Shameless Attitude adds a 80% hp marker onto your bar

so you should be able to see if that moves with Mortal Gain

[uneven palm]

Light Smite + Heinous Affront go unbelievably hard my lord

[civic ocean]

Yeah it’s craaaazy

I do it on Mel Blades Special and you can just blow things up from across the map

[timber pawn]

It's also just part of the meta medea build which makes me very happy

[uneven palm]

I was doing Medea. Just with Divine Vengeance I could single pop armored dracons

[timber pawn]

We've started looking at light smite as an alternative to rousing reception for clearing hecate witches, for speeds

[uneven palm]

Ooh nice

[civic ocean]

Hell yeah

[timber pawn]

Common needs a pom but rare and above 1 shots. You just have to get through lovers charges, only downside

[civic ocean]

You use your hp as a resource to go faster

[civic ocean]

Excellence strong here

[timber pawn]

Technically true hahaha

[willow phoenix]

Light smite best apollo boon

if only prominence flare gets buffed for maximum power of the sun

[uneven palm]

Mel Skulls are obviously getting all the love today but I’m liking Medea with the bonus ammo. Doing 2 skulls per rotation feels good

[timber pawn]

I'd been kind of ignoring it with the belief that 1 skull 1 special is still faster, but that's not exactly a scientific analysis on my part

[crude needle]

guys how should i play/build aspect of eos?

it's the only aspect of the torches i'm not used to play with

[bleak night]

I get my Ws on it by going Zeus start and getting Special, then I spam Special once the daybreaker is out while running around

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1344622762110750730/Eos_build.mp4?ex=67c19508&is=67c04388&hm=429b9031e838103e8a4f366469eaa84a1ae3dad09bb61953766e6c138b5aa78c&

[uneven palm]

Omega attack, then O special so you and your friend both have orbiting specials. Spam special until it expires, repeat. Apollo/Hera great on attack. “Clean” hammers are best, but Triple Comet goes hard here.

[uneven palm]

For the speedsters are y’all starting Zeus or Ares?

[sage flame]

is ares special on medea the play now? still like hera attack?

[timber pawn]

Still Zeus spec but you're definitely praying for ares attack, grievous, duo, etc

[timber pawn]

Zeus spec is way more boss damage which is medea (relative) weakpoint

[sage flame]

right on

so ares attack tho 👀

tasty tasty grievous setup

[timber pawn]

Ya thats the dream

Got a 5:20 flat with that setup which is like 3rd or 4th on the theoretical leaderboard atm

[sage flame]

damn

is that without refinement/lots of runs?

cause I know foolish got WR with medea last patch but someone took it back right before warsong dropped (fate? can't remember) and now I can imagine medea gonna be even better

[timber pawn]

Foolish already put up a 4:54 this patch hahaha, ya we'll probably get closer to the 4:30 mark this patch with some more grinding

[sage flame]

sub 4:30 trust

[timber pawn]

Collective sum of bests (which isn't a real time because of Artemis/nem distribution, just kind of an indicator) is probably like 4 flat or maybe even sub 4 so who knows what's in there

[sage flame]

damn

that is wild to think about

[bleak night]

ight I kinda don't wanna do another 55f surface run

so I'll just go back to meme builds

[magic moss]

is boonless a meme build

[slate trench]

best build for mel skulls now?

[civic ocean]

Conceptually the thing to think about with Eos is what after you channel your omega attack, all of your specials are doubled in value. So your three most important questions are:

-how fast can I charge Omega Attack?
-how can I increase the damage of my specials?
-how can I stay safe from damage? (Flames specials don’t hitstun the enemy)

I like going for an on-hit effect build with Posideon on special, Demeter on attack or cast, and Ares for the duo that doubles my waves with poseidon

[magic moss]

literally anything, % atk boon like apollo or hera and gg

[civic ocean]

Best for what

[slate trench]

50F

[civic ocean]

Single clear or winstreak

[slate trench]

single

[civic ocean]

Probably like Hera + Demeter

[magic moss]

apollo or hera attack and just play for fetching and its ggs tbh

[civic ocean]

I think Demeter attack is really good because it’s quite safe

[magic moss]

anything else is just extra safety

[bleak night]

Ares attack is fun on it

[civic ocean]

I guess good advice for Mel skulls 50 is you probably shouldn’t bother with a god keepsake

Since they’re all good

[slate trench]

sounds like an easy clear lol we'll see

[bleak night]

it should be ye

are people not doing 50f surface runs ?

[civic ocean]

If you’re bored you could try winstreaking

[bleak night]

in the UW? I already am

[civic ocean]

UW and Surface alternating

6 up 6 down each wep diff aspect

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1344727861407518760/image.png?ex=67c1f6e9&is=67c0a569&hm=05193b45de9ecdcd91cd87bf44ab62ecc1d26d9a80e1e0a9b70ed14c496a08fd& 15 winstreak in UW 50F rn

[civic ocean]

Hell yeah

[bleak night]

Whoops this was the afk run I uploaded https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1344728088239411321/image.png?ex=67c1f720&is=67c0a5a0&hm=ff47ef4e3c07d145291dc95fa941be4874f07b6f8ee54ea6882617a6e8f8b24e&

there's a Charon UW run wedged between a lot of surface runs

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think doing stuff like using all gods evenly, winstreaking, going for a 12 run time record, lots of fun stuff to build towards in this game

It’s a bit of a Melee-ification of the game. It’s really funny to watch people in the feedback section get mad when people say the skulls should be nerfed

[bleak night]

lmao

tbf they do nerf stuff if it's broken, like Momus, Coarse Grit, Born Gain, ER, Mental Block

[lean lance]

what do you guys think the best weapon/aspect is currently?

[civic ocean]

Gotta be Circe

[bleak night]

it's Mel Skull after the buff for ease of use probs

barely needs anything but an attack boon and it starts ramping up damage

[lean lance]

the skull wow I'm surprised

[willow phoenix]

Mental block got butchered

[atomic ibex]

Does anyone know if hitch is affected by extended family?

[bleak night]

good question

[stable lichen]

wait people are thinking this is fair and balanced?

[civic ocean]

I think people think it’s good for them to more easily win the single player game

[civic ocean]

It should be yeah

[bleak night]

yep lol

[atomic ibex]

Other things I'd like to know if extended family affects:

Status effects like scorch and vent
Wound procs
Casts (like Poseidon's, Hephaestus and Zeus)

[willow phoenix]

A lot of people never knew how to play the skull and a lot of people think it's fine for single player games to be unbalanced

[civic ocean]

“Damage given by olympians” includes anything that doesn’t directly augment your weapon damage.

[willow phoenix]

I think they all should, but I remember someone saying anvil ring doesn't get buffed

[stable lichen]

i wonder if they're gonna buff the torches like this too since that's the one other weapon people keep complaining about

[atomic ibex]

Ok thanks

[atomic ibex]

Specifically anvil ring? Is that the only cast unaffected?

[bleak night]

they got buffed a lot already since they were the most complained about thing in the early patches

[stable lichen]

ngl ive heard more torch slander than skull slander so i was surprised they dealt with the latter first

[atomic ibex]

I feel like a lot of the people complaining about the flames haven't played since patch 1

[willow phoenix]

Maybe? Someone needs to use that boon training ground mod to test all the interactions lol

[stable lichen]

people are still complaining about them though so maybe we'll get hilariously overpowered moros

[atomic ibex]

The only thing I want changed about flames is maybe projectile speed (why is Supergiant allergic to fast projectiles lol) and just changing Mel Aspect

[civic ocean]

Mostly likely we’ll get hitstun on the specials and all three aspects will go crazy

[willow phoenix]

Yea mel aspect needs to be changed

[stable lichen]

honestly the one thing i want is mel torch upgrades buffing attack instead of ospesh

[civic ocean]

Whats wrong with the balls

[willow phoenix]

Torches are too o spec centric

[civic ocean]

Only mel torches specifically buffs ospec right

[willow phoenix]

Well yes, but moros and eos plays with lots of o spec too

[civic ocean]

It can ye

[willow phoenix]

Meanwhile the base special....

[civic ocean]

I like the base special a lot on eos

[mild phoenix]

i think 55 fear being straightforward is a dead giveaway for imbalance lol

[stable lichen]

id argue ospec is the least important in mel torches out of all the 3 aspects

[civic ocean]

Uh oh bad news for mel axe @bleak night

[stable lichen]

moros needs ospec up for explosions and eos needs ospec for the daybreaker

while mel is perfectly fine for spamming attacks from afar, using the ospec is optional

[civic ocean]

Yeah but how are you gonna make pink aura that way

[bleak night]

???? xd

[stable lichen]

wdym

[mild phoenix]

tbf i expect more oaths to be added which should make the game harder

[stable lichen]

probably just 10 fear from EM

[bleak night]

I mean that Mel Axe run took me 2 days

[civic ocean]

Pink aura - make a lot of pink balls and run into people

[spare kite]

Pink aura is dead

[bleak night]

the Mel Skull run took me 4 real tries

[stable lichen]

you can do that with momus though, in fact it might be better

[spare kite]

The cap on heartthrobs makes it not as funny

[civic ocean]

Its more close range with the hearthrob change yeah but I really like how long they last

I might change it to ice balls though just because you get lit up at higher fear

[jagged zinc]

there's no repository for builds per weapon plz ? like standard good build

[willow phoenix]

Pink aura is dead, say hello to yellow aura with arc flash

[civic ocean]

Yeah or that

[stable lichen]

best thing is that you can abuse arc flash with both omegas on the torch

you can snipe enemies with zeus attack or do the zeus ospesh build

[willow phoenix]

Ah if only there's a boon to make blitz has no cd

[civic ocean]

How long is the blitz cd anyways

[willow phoenix]

I found eos nice for arc flash spam since you and the o attack can both clear stuff with just o spec lol

[civic ocean]

Eos I wanna do the blue balls

[bleak night]

Nope. You have any aspects you want builds for though? I can whip you something up rn

[stable lichen]

i personally find spamming mel torch omega zeus attacks to be the easiest

[civic ocean]

I could probably make some basic stuff for every weapon but I play jank builds mostly

[stable lichen]

but honestly arc flash is so overpowered anything works lol

[willow phoenix]

It's op for like torch only tbh lol

[quick crescent]

yea i hope lee ream snyder gets a hades ii build guide out soon, the game in general (and high heat especially) gets way more fun when you know how to crack it

[stable lichen]

fair enough tbh

[quick crescent]

wouldn't blame him for waiting till full release tho

[jagged zinc]

Hammer, Thanatos if possible please ! I never use it so idk what's good or not

[stable lichen]

how does it work on pan or coat ospesh, does it just trigger from every single knife or rocket limited by only blitz cooldown

[willow phoenix]

Yeah should be, I tried it with coat and it worked like that

You usually only get like 2-3 from what I can see

[quick crescent]

i got zeus attack on thanatos, aphro cast and went for the psychic whirlwind hammer

[bleak night]

you playing on a specific Fear level or just casual play ?

[stable lichen]

still not bad ig

[jagged zinc]

casual atm, trying to get the doggo... I can finish with anything but i'd like to have fun with the axe for once

[civic ocean]

What is the hammer

[quick crescent]

romantic spark activates 80% extra blitz damage with sprint on an omega attack that works while you sprint

[atomic ibex]

Tbh staff is probably the worst designed weapon but we aren't ready to talk about that

[stable lichen]

where’s mini

[jagged zinc]

axe sorry xd

[quick crescent]

the staff is excellent from the perspective of teaching you the difference between hades 1 and 2- you start with it because it's quick, long range but low damage

[civic ocean]

There’s just a lot of variables but if you are early in the game a really good option for the axe is always going to be maxing out the Melinoe aspect, equipping frinos, taking Aphrodite attack, and spamming dash attack

[quick crescent]

but from a meta perspective yeah it gets outpaced pretty quick

[bleak night]

Do Aphrodite on Attack for the most part, it should be simple and do damage well + scale. You can add Demeter for Weed Killer and Cast + Zeus for Static Shock to maximize your damage.

Best Daedalus hammers on it are Seething Marauder, Psychic Whirlwind and Rapid Slash.

If you find Rapid Slash, go full attack instead of Omegas. If it's early, you can forego Weed Killer from Demeter.
If you find Psychic Whirlwind, you can go full Omega build.
If you find Seething Marauder, it's good for both, since the 60 damage shockwaves apply to both attacks and the whirlwind ticks on Omega

[quick crescent]

there's something to be said about momus and apollo but, much like the spear, it can be really underwhelming

[stable lichen]

don’t slander the spear, achilles was insane

[quick crescent]

zag aspect was straight doodoo though

[slate trench]

achilles easily top aspect of hades 1

[jagged zinc]

that's perfect tyvm

[stable lichen]

oh yeah no zag spear was hot garbage

[quick crescent]

hades and guan yu were also jank at best imo

[atomic ibex]

It's just staff is soooo hammer dependent. Yeah, wicked plus mirror is insane, but have fun with vampire cataclysm. Plus, the aspects on it are imo far too similar, all focus on omega spam

[spare kite]

Guan yu is great

[bleak night]

hope it works out

[stable lichen]

guan yu is basically a rocket launcher, not a spear

[runic summit]

What's wrong with prominence flare?

[atomic ibex]

It prevents you from putting your cast back up

[spare kite]

Can't place another cast until is gone

[magic moss]

[twilit escarp]

The twin fist with aspect of demeter were insane

[runic summit]

Oh that's awful

[stable lichen]

fists were honestly just built for merciful end

[jagged zinc]

Aphro looks very intuitive, but the hammer stuff is precisely what i lacked

[quick crescent]

well the game markets it to you as a beyblade launcher so i see that as an advertising failure

[civic ocean]

Ftr I don’t mind prom flare into GD on Persephone since you can’t place a cast while you’re zooming around

[twilit escarp]

I was used to play them all the time with Artemis special and the deadelus boon that transform your special in a kick

[willow phoenix]

Funny how they made blade rifts like this but decided prominence flare was too much

[quick crescent]

YES excellent hammer choice i did that all the time

[spare kite]

imagine the visual noise if prom flare was spammable

[twilit escarp]

it's just so fun to do multiple kicks!

[slate trench]

aspect of demeter best hammers are kinetic launcher and the explosive one

[quick crescent]

but yeah it pains me to say staff is mega underpowered

[slate trench]

either or lol the kick one im pretty sure was actually a nerf

[atomic ibex]

I'm not saying you shouldn't use staff or that staff isn't viable. It's just the design of "poor base damage but strong hammers" can make very unfun runs if you don't get good hammers, and the aspects don't promote much build diversity

[civic ocean]

Awh I like staff

[willow phoenix]

The full unbridled power of the sun or something

[civic ocean]

Omega moves are cool and fun and it scales really well with Excellence

[magic moss]

staff being hammer reliant is 100% fake btw

[slate trench]

maybe its just me but staff feels really strong this patch with the attack buffs and omega slowdown on arcana

[magic moss]

and i will die on that hill

[stable lichen]

typhon instantly dies because of every single eye of his being flashbanged

polyphemus is not affected

[slate trench]

maybe not as much dps as say moros but its still really strong and a lot safer, you can melt enemies from all the way across screen

[civic ocean]

I still think heph blasts should blind Polyphemus

[quick crescent]

i felt the buffs for sure and i should play more to develop my opinion but i'm still not a big fan

[stable lichen]

he’s already blind though

[willow phoenix]

Smh they should've just sent Apollo after Typhon not Zeus

[civic ocean]

Its sound

[willow phoenix]

Or zeus, since thunder sound and all

[stable lichen]

oh good another zeus buff

[spare kite]

make shocking loss work on typhon

[stable lichen]

but you still have to wait for zeus to show up and do nothing

[bleak night]

Hope it works out for you then, yeah.

[slate trench]

I hate when you don't get offered hammers except in shops lol who has 360 gold for that

[spare kite]

boatman:

[civic ocean]

Fraudman

[loud moat]

Staff has always been a solid 8/10 for me. I never have a run with it that im disappointed by barring awful boon choices. Combined with Attack buffs and the change to special to finally make it have some identity, its really coming together.

[twilit escarp]

I really miss not having an Artemis boon in all my runs like i was used to

[stable lichen]

i just wish one of the staff aspects buffed regular attack or special

[loud moat]

I do wish Circe/Melinoe had more unique modifiers. At least in comparison to Momus.

[stable lichen]

ares with grievous blow is new artemis

[twilit escarp]

and her keepsake is not like the Athena one that gives u a chance to find her

[willow phoenix]

Melinoe is perfectly fine for the starter weapon imo

[loud moat]

I played around with Circe the other day and you can really hit some bonkers numbers with omega attack and special. Its kinda crazy. But its just a power boost, not super unique

[atomic ibex]

I mean: the staff attack combo has iirc the lowest DPS of all combos in game. To balance that, it has 3 hammers that double it's DPS

[civic ocean]

Attack attack special dash attack is a pretty high dps combo no

[loud moat]

Very true. I dont disagree. All the base weapons to some degree are built for fun, but also to ease new players into the weapon itself. So I cant complain too much

[stable lichen]

(we’ll ignore mel skulls for now)

[willow phoenix]

But circe is free game for being bad lol

[stable lichen]

yep

[loud moat]

Main gripe is that Momus is just so much more fun than Circe imo. Big numbers are good I suppose, but I'd prefer something more akin to Thanatos Axes Mortality. Crit chance build into it based on good gameplay.

[magic moss]

meh i dont think staff lacks damage now tbh

[loud moat]

Not just "hit X times then Omega to kill"

Its minor gripes. Baseline staff feels amazing to play no matter the aspect IMO

[stable lichen]

new circe rework: hit omega moves 12 times for a temporary buff to your regular attack and special

[atomic ibex]

And of course, if you don't get those 3 hammers, Mel combo is just an objectively worse version of a lot of weapons

[civic ocean]

You should do a different combo

[willow phoenix]

Circe rework, hit 12 times then transform your staff into an actual melee weapon

[civic ocean]

Like try not doing 3 attacks

[loud moat]

unironically could be fun. Something like hit Omega Attack/Special/Cast and buff attack speed/damage by X% for 12 seconds.

[stable lichen]

after hitting 12 times your staff magically transforms into aspect of thanatos

[willow phoenix]

Or dunno, maybe just move the night card to Circe lol

[formal pulsar]

Can someone explain WTH is Olympian damage supposed to buff exactly? I am so confused, I thought it worked with Poseidon waves but it apparently it doesn’t

[bleak night]

it doesn't ?

[atomic ibex]

Then you have the Hades sword problem, where your build is pigeon holed into just not using the main moveset

[civic ocean]

I think learning how to do a combo that doesn’t involve attack attack attack is good actually

[loud moat]

Could be fun to make Circe staff into a more combo focused staff

2 Omega Attacks + Omega Special = Attack speed buff
2 Omega Specials + Omega Attack = Damage buff

Etc. . . Might be a bit complicated but interesting to see. I like aspects that encourage multiple ways to play.

[loud moat]

Thats my problem with Charon Axe. Cool concept, but annoying it forces you to take Apollo to start. Hecuba can help mitigate, but if you don't play Apollo it just feels bad

[willow phoenix]

Take unseen

[slate trench]

do you sit there and do the full attack sequence combo on any weapons though?

[stable lichen]

nah, take embryo and reset until you get mana regen

[atomic ibex]

Depends on the hammer, daggers, torches and coat

[formal pulsar]

Sorry I am stupid tested it again and it works on waves. Ignore me

[civic ocean]

Torches and coat don’t really have combos

[willow phoenix]

Attack-attack-attack is a combo ngl

[sacred edge]

How does one use Thanatos to greatest effect?

I love the aesthetics but my runs with it have been lackluster.

[atomic ibex]

But then why have that attack string if it's just worse? And also, the staff attack dash special combos is still comparatively worse than a lot of other weapons without much feasible benefit, and is still considerably nerfed without specific hammers

[willow phoenix]

I like spin to win

Get the mortality buff up, charge o attack, spin to win

[sacred edge]

so focus on attack, mainly

[civic ocean]

Why have the fists have their punch combo end in hades 1 if you can just dash attack out if the last strike?

[willow phoenix]

You can also play it without the o attack tbh lol

[stable lichen]

someone do an ospesh thanatos run

[atomic ibex]

Again, im not saying staff bad or trying to say people aren't having fun or arent allowed to have fun on staff, but staff feels like it has some unintuitive aspects that would improve the game if changed

[atomic ibex]

I don't know, I found that unintuitive too

[sacred edge]

trying to omega special has only gotten me slapped unfortunately...

[magic moss]

i wouldnt use “unintuitive,” weak sure but nothjng about staff aspects is unintuitive

[civic ocean]

I don’t feel like it’s fair to call the design unintuitive because you’re unimpressed with using the magical staff as a club to beat people to death with

[bleak night]

[willow phoenix]

Yea since the main buffs of the aspect is for attack speed and o move crit, it's mostly for attacking

[stable lichen]

take eternity

[sacred edge]

i do

[willow phoenix]

Take Apollo for huge beyblade

[sacred edge]

favorite part of the staff tbh

[stable lichen]

ngl “we have charon at home” seems kinda funny i might do that later

[civic ocean]

Seems good with the crit rate no?

[stable lichen]

definitely a lot worse than charon still

[civic ocean]

Yeah but you’re not playing charon

[stable lichen]

the axe ospesh isn’t exactly great on its own

[sacred edge]

Does the crit rate also apply to omega casts?

[stable lichen]

think so?

[sacred edge]

I miss block 😔

[atomic ibex]

Bro I'm not trying to say Supergiant bad or something? I'm just trying to discuss ways to improve the game

[stable lichen]

i might do a thanatos run without pressing attack lmao

that way i can only build mortality with default spesh

[civic ocean]

Right but like step back and observe it from a design perspective. The Witch’s Staff probably ought to be a worse weapon at direct close ranged combos that the Moonstone Axe or the Sister Blades

[slate trench]

only attack builds mortality and it doesnt affect anything but omega attack

[stable lichen]

wait what

huh

could’ve sworn the special built mortality too

[willow phoenix]

Wait I thought it said all o moves

[slate trench]

that's how it worked when they first dropped it

[civic ocean]

I am fairly certain it is all omegas now

[slate trench]

did they change it back?

[lunar lance]

Starting to think I should only use Thanatos Axe alongside the Eternity card. Without the slowdown, it seems too easy to take chip damage when charging the omega attack

[stable lichen]

you can dash out of it

[lunar lance]

I guess I could mash the uncharged 3 hit combo instead.

[willow phoenix]

You can dash to make it far safer

[stable lichen]

also works

[willow phoenix]

Or use demeter to make space

[sacred edge]

I think the staff's status as a mid-range weapon makes it fairly unique and I like its versatility. Also it just feels very satisfying to use.

[lunar lance]

which demeter boon?

[willow phoenix]

Also if you have enough damage everything dies before touching you

[lunar lance]

staff, to me, feels like the spear from the first game, sorta

[willow phoenix]

Cast, even attack, just freeze the enemy

[bleak night]

bros it feels weird that Charon works properly

it's like I'm dreaming still

[atomic ibex]

Yes definitely. The intent is that staff has lower damage because it has safety. In practice, it has a lower range than Axe. The low damage extends fights, and make it much more likely to get this during a fight. The power budget for staff hammers is significantly higher than for the other weapons. 3/4 hammers are necessary to have the damage necessary for higher fear runs. This means runs you don't have those hammers ,you feel explicitly weaker because of RNG.

I believe the staff would feel more fun if those hammers were nerfed to improve the baseline of the staff's power.

[magic moss]

i could see that perspective until you mentioned the hammer necessity for higher fear runs. That part is just inexperience with the weapon and staff is in no way hammer reliant (tho I am biased since yknow staff)

[bleak night]

You don't need that many hammers for high fear runs ngl

sometimes I only need 1 of em

[atomic ibex]

I meant that as in: high fear runs one of the following: Wicked Thrasher, Mirrored Thasher, Rapid Thrasher, (Extended Walloper) feel significantly harder than runs with it

[magic moss]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[atomic ibex]

Not that you need all of them at once

[civic ocean]

How high fear are we talking here

[magic moss]

ive beaten a bunch of runs using builds focused on the old staff special

[rich belfry]

how can i defeat this promethous bro man i acnt defeat him?

[bleak night]

I've got runs without any of those

[magic moss]

the new one is like a lot better and fills in a lot of the weaknesses the attack chain had

[rich belfry]

will the sister blades work on him ?

[civic ocean]

We can’t tell you, he would forsee our advice, sorry 😦

[rich belfry]

bruh

[lean lance]

yeah I'm a Lim and Oros main and Prometheus can be defeated on no fear with them

[willow phoenix]

Don't get hit 👍

Easiest way is to just bring more damage ngl

You can also learn his attack patterns and just wait until he stops, because he always stops after his pattern

[atomic ibex]

But did it feel as fun as runs with them? And did you feel like your win possibility was heavily impacted by those hammers?

[bleak night]

whoops wrong video lemme look at the database

[magic moss]

on my runs, yes to the first question, no to the 2nd

[rich belfry]

should i go with backstopping build with aphro
?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252732088378200146/1343633599030890587/staff_special_meme.mp4?ex=67c1f04d&is=67c09ecd&hm=60d930a37bad028e8854a5238e7a5ffebd963cecca94811a95c325efd26c2802& here you go @atomic ibex

[atomic ibex]

Then whatever then, I'll just shut up

[willow phoenix]

Any weapon can work really, but if you're not comfortable a ranged weapon might be better as he has moves that punishes being close to him

[atomic ibex]

I was trying discuss attack focused builds

[lean lance]

I use Apollo for attack and everything else is whatever you want

[atomic ibex]

I think omega special runs are fine

[magic moss]

i definitely can see why you would think that, but imo this largely comes from inexperience with the weapon and unwillingness to weave in specials to fill in the weaknesses of the attacj chain

[rich belfry]

ima try a ranged one

[rich belfry]

why apollo ? and which aspect ?

[willow phoenix]

I really do recommend doing a full fight just running around him to see how he works

[bleak night]

oh this isn't an Omega Special run lol. Look at the end screen.

Omega Special plays a part but it's mostly my sniper shot doing the damage

[lean lance]

I use Mel's aspect and I use Apollo because increased damage and attack size is just good idk

[atomic ibex]

But I don't understand why buff the attack finisher if the attack finisher isn't supposed to be use, instead focusing on the special

[bleak night]

but for the most part I've had attack based runs that win with Melting Swipe because the dash attack being wider is def nice. The Thrashers + Extending are super integral to feel nice though

[rich belfry]

yeah me too but kinda wanna try another aspect and see how it works

[willow phoenix]

With Mel daggers I like hestia, scorch damage is good. Static shock from zeus is also great, you can go for master conductor with Heph too

Try Pan for ranged daggers, just go poseidon on special

[lean lance]

I haven't found the other aspects of Lim and Oros to be that good or fun tbh

[atomic ibex]

Yeah that's my problem, if specific hammers which are very RNG dependent are a core factor if the run felt nice

[rich belfry]

man i had a good dmg but it was with the axe . so i got hit a looottttttttt like helll

[lean lance]

Yeah I agree Hestia runs are pretty fun too with the Blades

[magic moss]

i have fun with or without the hammers :(

[rich belfry]

then itsa a hestia run lets try

[atomic ibex]

I'm not trying to take that fun away from you

[lean lance]

I love Hammers I always go for Hammers when I see them

[magic moss]

sameeeee

not like i have many other options

[bleak night]

tbf hammers are core factors on most aspects, Coat players have less fun if no Exhaust Riser. It's kinda just a lil annoying, but being able to reroll them might not be balanced either, so idk

[slate trench]

obviously there are hammers that make it stronger but the same can be said for all weapons/aspects

I think some of the other aspects are even more hammer dependant

[atomic ibex]

Which ones?

[slate trench]

the axe in general

[bleak night]

wouldn't say fully hammer dependant, but some do elevate into a better status off of one or two specific hammer upgrades

Mel Axe comes to mind for the most part

[rich belfry]

what about the arcana ?

[bleak night]

for ?

[rich belfry]

with the blades

[jagged zinc]

got seething + aphro atk lvl 11 as heroic and demeter duo. was fun to clear with omega, single target a bit lacking but good run, ty 🙂

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344576492692049983/1344676739086811238/is-this-a-good-arcana-setup-on-16-fear-and-looking-to-do-v0-7ww3m1gcvwke1.png?ex=67c1c74d&is=67c075cd&hm=e3525f907f4b25b05b658e9a4bfb6be503a3e8d3e5de430a22d377a3ac0b3cc3& what I run on it for the most part. Which aspect are you using ?

[spare kite]

amazing file name

[bleak night]

Nice. The single target damage usually lacks if no good hammers yeah

[bleak night]

oh right I posted this on a reddit thread and just saved the link off of that

[rich belfry]

mel aspect

but damn huge

[bleak night]

try to do a Freezer Burn build

[rich belfry]

so hestia on attack and demeter on cast

[bleak night]

Scorch Attack with Demeter on Cast to detonate, make sure to not get Pyro Technique. You can get Zeus and Heph as your 3rd and 4th. Zeus gives you Static Shock and Heph gives you defensives

alternatively can go Aphro instead of Heph and get Glamour Gain for the Weak aura since you're full melee

also has Secret Crush to buff your damage and Sweet Surrender + Broken Resolve are nice to have

You can also put Blitz on your Special, it's not the worst since you can toss it whenever then resume attacking

[clever trail]

Is it possible to dodge typhon ball shot ? i tried to run in, run out, some timing mix , but it look like i'm getting hit 95% of time

[bleak night]

It's a lot easier on Skull for the most part since you have special do a dash, what weapon are you using ?

[clever trail]

i'm using axe and the stick ( the first milenoe weapon )

[ember frigate]

what vows do you reccomend if you are going for 16 fear surface run (im thinking aspect of medea seeing how it got buffed)

[sage flame]

I'd love a coat hammer than slowed down the attacks by quite a bit but massively increased their power and some aoe, like real meaty punches

[slate trench]

sounds like the hidden aspect

[thin ridge]

Sounds a bit like gilgamesh

[bleak night]

I feel your pain ngl, but for the most part what I find to be the easiest way to deal with it is to run completley sideways if you have enough space for it, it stops tracking at some point and you just walk away

If he's charging it, don't move backward, continue the direction you're walking. I think it stops tracking you at some point during the charge, then aims there. I've had points where it aims where I was a second before

[bleak night]

keep Debt at 0 and turn on Denial and the MP Priming one for starters

[stable lichen]

wasn’t there a really bad fist hammer that did that

heavy knuckle

[bleak night]

Debt 0 in the surface is really good because you can overload on boons and Hearts off the Hermes shrines

[sage flame]

do that but make it good

[slate trench]

what's everyone's favorite keepsake to throw on in tart?

[thin ridge]

Usually a guaranteed reward boon like an Olympian or hex keepsake

[stable lichen]

i think a large part of why it was bad was that it was a hammer, if you get it in the middle of a run while your build relies on fast strikes it’s bad

it’s probably better as an aspect

[civic ocean]

Evil Eye, that bag of coins know what he did

[stable lichen]

it’s hard to do a completely new build around something random you can’t reroll

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

Antlerrrr

[slate trench]

does pin deactivate strength now?

[bleak night]

yeah

[slate trench]

haha i wish i had the balls to throw on antler right now, if i had armor i would

[stable lichen]

athena or hammer depending on which one i haven’t picked yet, or something like droplet

[sage flame]

lions fang or antler for damage, pin if im scared and have death defiances, or maybe like idk tooth maybe just for reset with scars on

[bleak night]

I've been running Droplet on my Torch 50f runs in Tartarus

[slate trench]

i might risk it all with embryo, or droplets not a bad idea

[stable lichen]

embryo is a regular pick too

[civic ocean]

I think a good idea is just to ask yourself what your build needs and then take what helps that

[sage flame]

I love droplet but usually put it on in fields

[stable lichen]

i usually do one of athena or hammer on fields and the other one in tart

[willow phoenix]

Lion fang or antler

Sometimes Droplets, sometimes I just take more god keepsakes to complete the build lol

[cursive oyster]

antler gaming all the way

[slate trench]

i usually use antler for oceanus or fields but only if I need to heal

[stable lichen]

i like breathing room because i play fangs 2 frenzy 2 so i only do antler when i’ve got armour

[spare kite]

Gale makes antler a lot comfier

[slate trench]

that feeling when your post antler life is revealed and you went from near death to 250/250

[stable lichen]

i just know i’m gonna instantly step into a spike pit multiple times because i’m stupid

[spare kite]

Oh believe it happens

[willow phoenix]

I don't think traps trigger gale no?

[spare kite]

Correct

[stable lichen]

do they not, huh

[spare kite]

But also gale doesn't seem to work at the very start of a room

[stable lichen]

idk antler has a very narrow stupid margin

[spare kite]

I've gotten hit with blocks left lol

[willow phoenix]

Yea this seems like a bug

[spare kite]

Also there's blood spree now too so as long as you don't get one shot you'll live

[willow phoenix]

Everytime I have mint condition and some armor I just take antler for final region

[stable lichen]

oh yeah that’s a thing now

[willow phoenix]

Gotta live for the thrill but I don't really want to lose lol

[nova cairn]

They really gotta revert the cast change on bosses

polyphemus and prometheus just ignoring your cast cus they don't stop moving is so ass

[bleak night]

I've had Mint Condition, Trusty and Snow Queen for an Antler Tart and I still choked a room 1 Tart once

[spare kite]

Prometheus never respected the cast

[willow phoenix]

Old Prom always ignored cast no?

[lunar lance]

I used to really like cast on Polyphemus.

[nova cairn]

did he? still

[willow phoenix]

Polyphemus and Chronos gets clowned by cast that they deserves to be able to jump out

[lunar lance]

Slow his jump stomps

[spare kite]

Poly jumping is somewhat annoying but he deserves it

[lunar lance]

It's a tricky balance, because at some point, bosses being immune to cast makes you not want to invest in cast boons.

[nova cairn]

I'm trying to clear 32 fear surface with momus staff rn and Prometheus just ignored my heroic anvil ring and it's like ok then there goes 25% of my build

[lunar lance]

Like, on surface runs, it's hard to get excited about casts, because all the bosses don't care about the binding, and Eris and Prometheus move so fast I can't even use an omega cast blast on them

[spare kite]

I've done a lot of cast builds up there just fine

[willow phoenix]

If prom respects cast he would be much much easier though lol

And really it's not that bad

[spare kite]

That said I do have queen on nowadays so getting ares-dem ain't hard

[willow phoenix]

Especially with winners circle

[spare kite]

Worst case scenario gotta play next to the cast so he doesn't run away

[slate trench]

what's the deal with the the new miniboss in oceanus lmao is it just me or is that now like the new hardest room ever

[spare kite]

Hellifish stinks yeah

[willow phoenix]

Not me getting flung everywhere across the room by it

[lunar lance]

Getting an early hammer that shreds armor is always nice.

[slate trench]

I've only seen it on 50F but man it seems impossible to get out without taking dmg, its pitch black, those things spin out of the darkness faster than the human eye can even follow and nothing holds them back lmao

[lunar lance]

if you shred off the fish's armor, you can stunlock him to death

[willow phoenix]

You can dodge the ink projectile

The mobs are a bit much though, like lowkey those probably belong with the shadow

[nocturne heart]

What are your guys favourite builds to go for? havent played in a while

[spare kite]

Go for mel skulls before they are gone

[nocturne heart]

whats the build? is it just the aspect being op

[bleak night]

@nova cairn you need a Torch build for your 32 ?

[spare kite]

Yes lmfao

[harsh blade]

mel skulls with ares attack is pretty solid

[bleak night]

You have Grievous Blow right ?

[harsh blade]

of course

[spare kite]

Just wing it with whatever attack/fetching/bolstered/possessed array and gg

[bleak night]

go off

[willow phoenix]

I like Apollo to make possessed more ridiculous

[spare kite]

The aoe of apollo possessed is hilarious

[willow phoenix]

Imagine if the mel skull buff includes it working with wide grin

7 skulls o attack bombardment

[tough pasture]

LULZ at the new skulls. "WE BACK!"

In b4 nerf-nuke. "INCOMING!!!"

[nova cairn]

nah i've done torc h

[bleak night]

ah you said all BUT Torches, mb

[spare kite]

Oh god

Tbh 7 skulls would do so kuch dmg you cap off even w/o that prob lmfao

[harsh blade]

imagine if skull omega attack is just wide grin

[slate trench]

damn i forgot to screenshot the mel skull 50F victory screen lol

[nova cairn]

I'm trying momus with anvil ring / apollo attack / whatever special

[slate trench]

as least it was as easy as i was promised

[spare kite]

CLANG CLANG

[bleak night]

Try Momus with Clang Gang + Geyser Spout, you will not regret it

[nova cairn]

Does geyser get copied

[spare kite]

Lol, gg

[bleak night]

last time we tested, the Geyser did get copied but the general damage on the Echoes was a lil less

I think it's because it's not in Furies anymore, so you can probs just set cast down again

[nova cairn]

ah ic ic

[bleak night]

You know how Clang Gang works ?

[nova cairn]

is it not just momus anvil ring

[bleak night]

Winner's Circle as well

[nova cairn]

yeah

[bleak night]

pretty much that, yeah.

[nova cairn]

i've been getting that every time when possible

[bleak night]

It should just dismantle Typhon since he's a stationary target

[nova cairn]

will try geyser ring, also I kinda wish I could post images here lmfao

i wanna show my arcana/fear

[bleak night]

you can kinda, just post in a private server and right click to copy link

[spare kite]

Send somewhere else then copy the image link

[nova cairn]

oh tru

[spare kite]

Or use imgur/whatever

[nova cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533848791388913685/1344758932593184788/image.png?ex=67c213d9&is=67c0c259&hm=91c51d862c272f516a3332bfce5f2f3bea65d3adbc01663c4628bc3c3197761a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=444&height=676

[magic moss]

ok yeah im going for axe next

gonna save torches and coat for last

[nocturne heart]

Holy moly 💀 there is no way this isnt getting nerfed

[nova cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/533848791388913685/1344759100457746462/image.png?ex=67c21401&is=67c0c281&hm=5fda02651ba1fb057fbf23d254f0d3e1844dd669fe4c24649766896765ab6dba&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[spare kite]

Lmfaoooo

[nocturne heart]

im annihiliating mfs

[nova cairn]

That's the arcana/fear im running for 32 rn

[spare kite]

Can you believe people are thinking this is fine

[bleak night]

imo you can remove Unseen since it costs too much, you can put it on Origination instead for the damage

[nocturne heart]

I think it's underpowered it needs a buff, give it 8 skulls 😄

[nova cairn]

nod nod i see i see

[bleak night]

you want Demeter as well on Momus anyway because Local Climate exists, can put Arctic Gale on your Cast

[nova cairn]

is it worth giving up divinity for it

[bleak night]

Move Messenger to Swift Runner to get Divinity back

[nova cairn]

Oh TRUE

Alright will try this and report back 🫡

[bleak night]

alternatively you can forego Origination if you think you don't need, get Lovers and use the 2 free somewhere else

but Origination is nice because it's +50% damage to the number on the Geyser Spout boon

[magic moss]

i actually dont think its worth going for local climate anymore on momus unless you have nothing else to pick, think snow queen is better even

the removal of cast power hurt ocast a lot

[bleak night]

Arctic Gale not a bad choice for the Orig proc at least

[magic moss]

yeye

[sage flame]

mel skulls underworld feels like it's bullying

gd man

[worn oriole]

Probably hearing this wrong, but are all the rooms in Ephyra main square the same every time? Not rewards wise, but the general environment

[bleak night]

there's a guide in the speedrunner cord for how fast the rooms are based on size and enemy spawn spread, so probs the same yeah

https://zacharywebsites.wixstudio.com/hades2cg/blank-6

yep pretty much

[worn oriole]

exactly what I needed, thanks goat

[candid ledge]

Hello guys, I found a website a while ago that let you simulate the Arcana Cards (altar of ash) and Fear set up (testaments) but I can no longer find the name or source of the website.

I have an image if I'm allowed to post one if anyone would not mind helping me out here thanks

also I love your videos Mynt! I've only got 3 40f aspects left to clear and I hope to attempt 50 soon

[bleak night]

https://hades2build.pages.dev/Builds

wait nvm wrong link hold on

https://hades2build.pages.dev/

[candid ledge]

yes yes this is it tysm

[bleak night]

there we go

[bleak night]

We'll be here if you wanna ask about anything

[candid ledge]

I generally only play 4-5h/week so progress is slow but consistent. Ngl basement is kind of free wins anyway so I feel a lot less accomplished about this than say full 32h in Hades 1

I imagine the consensus is similar here

[slate trench]

do you lose the armor if you purge heavy metal?

[spare kite]

Iirc yes

[rich belfry]

man fk his fire man

that move always gets me

[bleak night]

for the most part, yeah

[uneven palm]

ngl im a little sick of running so much Mel Skull to try out changes lol

[bleak night]

it's alright, take a break

[sage flame]

run staff instead and become a follower of descura

[harsh blade]

speaking of, which aspect do yall run for descura?

[spare kite]

momus

[harsh blade]

same

[sage flame]

summoned

[magic moss]

join the cult of momus and the staff

[harsh blade]

is it just me or do the other descura aspects just don't compare to momus

[magic moss]

yeah momus is just strictly better

[proper cedar]

i wanna use pan with ares on the special what arcana should i build?

[harsh blade]

off the top of my head furies is good

[sage flame]

nah, ares will only proc wounds on the first hit, then you just have a weak % damage left

[proper cedar]

so no ares and pan?

[sage flame]

otherwise yeah furies, origination, the normal survivability arcana you like

[harsh blade]

maybe grievous blow could potentially save it, but idk

[proper cedar]

what about the cast

[sage flame]

I mean you can but it may feel a little weaker than other specials

[proper cedar]

ive being using eus and poseidon and zeus but i wanna spice things up

[sage flame]

you could get a diff ares boon for grievous and be awesome sauce

aphro pan is kinda funny if you're willing to stay close to enemies, hestia too, but you'd want the secondary scorch boons like pyro technique to make it feel better

[harsh blade]

hestia special, demeter attack, and freezer burn would be funny

[slate trench]

wow got wide grin'd with experimental hammer RIP run

[harsh blade]

nice knowing ya

[inland pumice]

Hey guys took a break from hades 2 but I’m back for warsong. Wow the skulls are OP now eh? I got a build where I got hitch on attack + lightning bolts from attacking and just spammed that thing like crazy

[spare kite]

did you get it before today's hotfix

[inland pumice]

I remember skull being awkward and slow feeling to use but now they’re crazyyyyy

[cursive oyster]

wide grin is great honestly if that happens to me i’m just pivoting into omega attacks

[slate trench]

mana is primed away lol but its all good probably still winnable

[cursive oyster]

oh yeah no that’s sadge

[nova cairn]

just tried a run up to prometheus, i take too much damage 😩

[cursive oyster]

ig click silver wheel next biome

[nova cairn]

Didn't have the full build though it was scuffed

no winners circle, didn't get artic gale til olympus etc

[bleak night]

oof, from what did you take damage the most

[nova cairn]

Prometheus i think lol

[bleak night]

you wanna run Lovers instead of Orig ?