h2-builds-and-combat

[spare kite]

It spawns from you

Is basically +60 power to spins lol

If you are doing dashing heave I wouldn't take it tho, doesn't work on those iirc

[uneven palm]

Yeah, doesn’t work with Dashing Heave. It’s great otherwise

[odd warren]

is it just me or is ygnium special GARBAGE

[willow phoenix]

Basic special? Yes
Omega special? No, it's literally its best move

[odd warren]

elaborate

i only ever use it if i get the "deals 20% of max armour damage"

[willow phoenix]

All 3 torches aspect plays super well with omega special, moros even depends on it to do anything. It's arguably the most important move in playing torches

With mel or moros, you can do something like zeus on special and just stick on enemies while attacking them. This causes blitz to continuously explode. This makes moros in particular capable of dealing some seriously heinous damage, since moros attacks explode on contact with ospecial

With eos, any omega special you do is replicated by your omega attack projectile. So you can spawn a lot of omega specials going around. Putting something like Hera/Apollo/Zeus on special can make it do insane damage

[odd warren]

hmm

ive always just used pure o.attack with scorch or blitz for dps

[willow phoenix]

Try moros with zeus special and hera/apollo/aphro on attack

On the other hand though, base torch special is very meh and not worth using most of the time. It's very hard to hit things with it so imo it's basically useless lol

[inner ferry]

not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but with something like the Chaos boon "Hobbled Chasm" which increases your cast damage, does that damage boost apply ONLY to the damage that your cast does at full charge? or does that damage increase also apply to boon damage, for example i have Zeus' cast boon on my cast rn so i'm wondering if the damage increase would apply to his boon damage

i'm assuming no but i figured there's people in here that know way more than me so i should just ask lol

[vital plover]

So I see the consensus that the arcana card that regens mana is not taken by most folks, yet I find myself mostly struggling for mana regain most runs on bosses. Are yall taking certain keepsakes and just spam rerolling to get a good mana regen boon or something?

[bleak night]

The dog familiar helps you a lot with it for the actual aspects that want it

For some others, people just find Omega-less better

Hecuba is +60max MP as a statstick with a 100 MP regen bubble once per encounter

[vital plover]

is that the dog familiar?

[bleak night]

Yes

[vital plover]

ah, still need that one

[uneven yacht]

how does scars heat interact with the hades lifesteal? do you still recover the whole 100 but slower or do you recover less but at normal pace?

[bleak night]

It's useless at Scars 3

So yeah it just reduces the heal for 1 and 2

[uneven yacht]

thanks 👍

[real plaza]

@bleak night Hiya! What would you recommend for Skulls and Torches?

I've beaten Chronos with them, but my issue is that they're just a snoozefest to utilize. I've been sticking with the Moonaxe to try and capture that Hades I feel.

[bleak night]

I'm mostly an Axe specialist myself so I get it. Which Skull and Torch aspects are you tryna build around ?

[real plaza]

So far it's been the base ones. Maybe that's where I'm missing it?

[bleak night]

Base Torches are fun if you focus on attack honestly

Hera Attack with Static Shock and a good regen and your damage goes kinda nutty

For base Skull, it's just kinda one dimensional is all? Apollo or Hera attack and just positioning yourself about melee to medium melee from your target so the skull ammo doesn't go as far

You'll enjoy skull more when you unlock Medea, and Moros torches are pretty destructive at the cost of being semi-melee to properly dish out damage

[real plaza]

Hmm, alright. I'll keep that in mind as I grind more. It'll be hard to step away from the axe though!

[bleak night]

I have an Axe guide if you wanna focus more on it

I'm pretty good at it if I do say so myself

Tbh play what makes you enjoy the game

[real plaza]

Everything just feels a bit spongy compared to Hades I, so the axe is what I've been going for to avoid the feeling.

[bleak night]

Medea Skull has things blow up really quickly at the cost of safety if you want that H1 feeling

[real plaza]

I used to do 30+ heat runs regularly and honestly sometimes it feels like the enemies in Hades II have more HP!

[bleak night]

Oh, then yeah I think my guide might help you

Axe has a lot of mechanics that aren't intuitive until you realize they exist

[real plaza]

Where can I see it?

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

If you need any explanations of stuff lmk

[real plaza]

Wahhhh the special cancel already looks amazing

I'll admit, I hate the current special. I had no idea it used to be different!

Are familiars something you really consider when fighting? I've been sticking with lovely frog Frinos to avoid the spirits mini game.

[bleak night]

Familiars are statsticks mostly

But for Frinos, you only really care during the Hecate fight. For Hecuba, you care about where she digs up the 100 MP regen bubble

For Raki, you don't particularly mind too much, just randomly expect crit marks on your target

[real plaza]

I'll check out some of the videos you've got.

One question I got for ya though! For someone like me who used to crank up the heat to 32+, what's the equivalent in Hades II? I find the fear mechanic to be a bit confusing (Also I don't think I'm getting through Prometheus hitless for a while lol).

[bleak night]

Honestly, probs just slowly raise it up as you go so you can test it out. I suggest playing Frenzy 1 early and move to Frenzy 2 when you're comfortable with sped up enemies enough so it just becomes your normal

This game and H1 are very different, in H1 you are hyper evasive with multiple dashes. Here, you have one dash and your Cast entraps foes to limit their movement

[real plaza]

Yeah, using my casts effectively is something I've really got to get better at. I've slowly started to use them more, but the game really is different now.

Wow, you've got a 53 fear video!

[bleak night]

I have 55s up as well

Axe is just super figured out rn is all

Want a link to my runs channel ?

[real plaza]

That's awesome! Also, I totally see what you mean about evasiveness in Hades I.

When I was trying to go for high heat and sub 15 minutes, Athena with multiple dashes always went crazy! Now, that isn't an option.

[bleak night]

Athena is kinda broken now for a different reason

She has a defensive option with extended invulnerability and burst damage that's kinda just free. Super centralizing, so 100% getting nerfed

[real plaza]

Well, I never see her!!!

Just a few times, but I even equipped her trinket and didn't see her even after dropping myself down to 0 dd

[bleak night]

She's a shoe-in if you run Strength instead of Eternity. Strength is just better than Eternity for the most part now

[real plaza]

Ah, I'm really showing my lack of knowledge now, what's that?

[real plaza]

Also sure, is it different from the myntkaramell channel I'm currently watching?

[bleak night]

That's probably it

What Axe aspect do you mostly play ?

[real plaza]

The main one, but Charons has been cool.

[bleak night]

Charon's unique, yeah

[real plaza]

Uh, how'd you get Athena to show up not in Olympus?

[bleak night]

Keepsake

[real plaza]

I thought that only worked with 0 DD!

[bleak night]

I run Strength instead of Eternity, so no DDs

Try to look into using Strength and play with no DDs, it's honestly pretty good

[real plaza]

Uh, sorry, what's this again? 😅

[bleak night]

It's 25% more global damage abd 50% global damage taken reduction

[real plaza]

Oh are those Arcana?

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's 23 iirc

People run that instead of Eternity now for the most part and forego Toula

[real plaza]

Shoot, if you can get Athena dash early, I might never need Death Defiance again.

[bleak night]

Mental Block is the new hotness instead of Divine Dash rn, try it out

120 burst damage with 1.25 second invuln and a 3second cooldown

[real plaza]

Is that better? Again, I'm not the greatest with my casts at the right times.

[bleak night]

Yeah. The damage and invuln happens the second you press the cast button

So it's basically an extended parry with pre-emptive AoE damage

[real plaza]

I might be too attached to my Hades I playstyle, I'm now realizing.

[bleak night]

Yeah, you'll need to get rid of it or separate it. A good tip is to maybe change the controls so you don't keep any of the old habits

I manage to still play H1 and H2 differently because of that

[real plaza]

Yeah, I think some of my issues with Hades II might still be valid, but I'm sure I'll get a lot more out of the game if I can really drill the fact that they're separate games into myself.

🙏 thanks for the advice! I'll be checking out some of your runs.

[bleak night]

Sure, feel free to dm or ping for anything

[real plaza]

😅 I'm guessing 35 heat is nothing nowadays with how people are optimizing.

Feeling like a washed up athlete rn haha

[bleak night]

In H1? People do 50+ and stuff yeah, they're dedicated

[uneven yacht]

any tips on how to not get tagged 1 million times in the ship region?

when the act 3 enemies spawn in its devious

[wanton flame]

i wanted to push for 50 heat myself but never got around to it. i guess doing 40 heat with all weapons is good enough

[bleak night]

By which enemies ?

[uneven yacht]

act 3 robots and dragons

[bleak night]

The melee robots can be solidly caught by Cast, even as they spin. For the one with lasers, you just get in its face and keep attacking it unless it turtles and takes 90% reduced damage, in which case you kinda go away. For the dragons, you kinda have to just respect it unless you can just keep hitting it and it has no armour. It's broken, the fire breath goes through walls and barriers

[idle lantern]

Does Huntress buff to attack and special also apply to the omega versions? Basically, is the omega also buffed even if it’s not mentioned explicitly?

[bleak night]

Nope. If it's singular, it's only the non-Omegas

[idle lantern]

Is that also true for boons? E.g. does flutter strike not apply to the omega attack either?

[gaunt coyote]

Boons should apply their effects universally

[bleak night]

Oh, the core boons are universal

[idle lantern]

Got it. Thank you!

[carmine lagoon]

just for fun i think i theorycrafted the highest possible single instance of damage

in the dracon miniboss with shadow vow, if you tag them both with hitch with a queen’s ransom’ed Hereditary Bane and then use the special with the -50% armor knives hammer on one of them, the other should take colossal damage bc it’s a flat 5k damage plus multiplying by high hereditary bane, plus if it crits with Raki/PP

[polar chasm]

How on earth do I take on Eris with max frenzy on 😭

It's better than other vows but good lord

Like I can't even see her with how quickly she flies 💀

Yeah I'm just gonna switch to max health and level 1 fangs

[spare kite]

Well you can't get practice on frenzy eris if you turn it off

[polar chasm]

I mean, I'm done with testaments and I'm only doing this for the 32 fear trophy lol. Really regret not going for it before the last update so I want to try and learn before the next one comes out and adds another zone

[uneven palm]

She has kind of a rhythm that you just get used to. I stay in her face and dash behind her as soon as she does anything that isn’t the bombs.

Also, of course, if you can get Athena in your build Mental Block more or less dismantles her. Hold your cast. If you see the purple aiming line, drop it. If she bombs, just keep beating her and cast last second. If she snipers, count to 3 then cast.

[uneven palm]

Here’s a Than run I did the other day where I didn’t have Mental Block if you wanna see how it looks. Got hit twice iirc https://youtu.be/zHNCNCRcWnk?si=385Nqni_0-Iti4LJ Eris fight is at 12:20. Looks like I did all the tricks like whirling through the pillar haha

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1324205584341401632/lol.mp4?ex=67774e0d&is=6775fc8d&hm=5f85ec99d6e95ff9c88d4a388348738a4af1734a13648555fb6cd97a06afa6bc& it looks so funny

[slender apex]

Is Aspect of Media basically Beowulf, but without the block?
Also... Am I right to assume I want % increase on attack for it to work the best? (Hera or Aphro, ideally?)

[uneven palm]

Yup, ideally. Zeus on special also ideal. But tbh the aspect starts out at “strong” so whatever on attack/special works

[uneven palm]

#h2-victory-boasting message @magic moss yeah if I were doing 50F Selene again I’d probably fish for like bloodline or Controlled Burn and do more O specials for Skyfall. Not feeling like the O attack is worth it

[slender apex]

Toula must count as a death defiance for preventing Athena, huh?

[cursive oyster]

yep

[past salmon]

Controlled burn Skyfall spam is a pretty fun strat to go for on it

[arctic glacier]

What's the highest HP number we have seen with all the updates?

I got a 880 run before Olympic Update, but not sure if people have gotten higher.

[steel sequoia]

afaik you can get more than 1k

[carmine lagoon]

can path of stars appear in ephyra?

[spice kiln]

yes

[carmine lagoon]

on the doors?

[hollow oriole]

@carmine lagoon just on the note of the feedback you gave about the Path of Stars in the feedback group, I can't help but think the whole Hex system would be better if we could progressively unlock them and equip whichever one we like before a run, and Selene just upgrades them when we meet her. They often feel random / useless / like an afterthought in most of my runs

[carmine lagoon]

maybe hexes do need a bigger rework overall, but i honestly doubt theyll do something that (and if they do, it probably wont be off of a feedback suggestion)
maybe im just a pessimist tho, if u made a feedback post like that id support it 100%

[torn surge]

is there a site that breaks down the pom scaling for all boons?

[sage flame]

is there something specific you want to know? or just to have as a resource

cause idk of any with pom scaling for every boon but im sure people here have some specific boons memorized

[lyric summit]

Oh wow I didn’t realise that was a thing 😱

I gotta try this

[spare kite]

https://imgur.com/a/hJOvj6U I refuse to engage with Prom's movements

love the raki crit at the end too lol

[stark ibex]

Yh I don't know how people do surface with any high fear😭

[stark ibex]

Does anyone like ever use Judgement arcanna?

[uneven palm]

For consistency, no.

[uneven palm]

Practice. Don’t compare yourself to some of us loons that have like hundreds of hours

[stark ibex]

most of the vids deeply distrub me

[torn surge]

partly a resource but I wanted to know if aphrodite's boons become good enough to justify, notably if rupture ring can out dps artic ring of the same rarity. granted if you have wards I think artic ring is probably always better

or her attack/specials

[magic moss]

[uneven palm]

Tbh if you’re looking for significant damage output from your cast Dem or Aphro aren’t your gods of choice anyway. When I have Wards I’m happy with either but Demeter’s cast is one of the best boons in the game period.

For Aphro’s attack/special, I can’t put hard numbers to it but her attack is hard to justify compared to the utility you get from Apollo or Hera. It’s just not better enough IMO.

But Aphro special has some real nutty rarity scaling that can be worth taking.

[past salmon]

Aphro cast is purely utility
Dems cast is also utility and should not be a DPS option for you but it does to an unholy amount of damage for something that isn't meant to do high damage

[torn surge]

yeah it is also gets a decent damage buff with air quality but then if you have air quality you don't want to be pomming most boons

so counterintuitive to my question lol

[uncut shale]

Ahoy! I've been playing this game for a few days now, and I'd love to see any videos, builds, or guides y'all might know of that'll help me beat Chronos and/or Prometheus for the first time. By the time I get that far I've used up most of my death defiance, or I just don't have enough juice to beat 'em.

[sage flame]

if u use the axe specifically, mynt has like the current guide to it

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gmp85h/hades_ii_nocturnal_arms_guide_zorephet_the/

otherwise mininet has a spreadsheet of high fear clears with vods/victory screens you can see sorta the basic "meta" builds people use on all difficulties

all depends on what aspects you have

[magic moss]

might be completely out of your depth, but i have a sheet that has a bunch of vods for 50 fear clears if you would like. Otherwise I recommend lee reamsnyder or boated

[sage flame]

pan with poseidon special is a classic and one of the fastest, charon with apollo gain and like whatever else you wanna slap on it, torches omega attack with bloodline and a magick regen, that sorta thing

a lot of the weapons are very flexible, once you learn their playstyles

[uncut shale]

I do really like using the axe, so this guide is right up my street

[sage flame]

massive 🙏

[uncut shale]

Yeah, your vods might be kinda Black Belt Hades II while I'm tripping over my feet to get into the dojang

[uncut shale]

I understood most of the words in this sentence! Pan is an aspect of one of the weapons, I think. I don't have a lot of aspects unlocked yet. I do have Melinoe axe up to level 5 though so I mean. I got that going for me

[sage flame]

right on

mel axe is my favorite axe tbh

[gaunt coyote]

Can you expound on why you feel this way about her attack? I’m new but I find myself leaning toward Aphro in the mentioned trinity. I feel like her “downside” in lack of an on-hit curse is pretty easily worked around between dash, cast and even glamour gain as long as we’re building Aphro. After that more damage is more damage, and Aphro has the biggest, fattest, juiciest….. damage boosts. What subtleties am I missing?

Also Mel axe best axe. Such a chunky, satisfying weapon

[uneven palm]

The thing with Aphro is she gets bit by additional additive % damage being just so-so. Like with Arcana alone you get +30% from Furies, 50% from Orig, 50% from Huntress, another 25% with Strength.

Like say with Hell Splitter on the axe with all those active you’re hitting for like 765 without a boon. Heroic Apollo is +100% on top of that, so now it’s hitting for 1065. Heroic Aphro is +140% for 1185 damage instead. So about 100 more damage, which isn’t nothing, but I dunno that it outweighs the gigantic aoe increase from Apollo or Hitch from Hera against crowds.

And that’s for like the biggest power attack in the game. The benefits of Aphro get even smaller for lower base power moves.

So she’s not bad by any stretch. Good for big number dopamine. But a little more +% only goes so far.

[uneven palm]

I have a video about Prometheus that might help https://youtu.be/vr3VfMbkqmo?si=ADfhGzsiDEzn02hG

[gaunt coyote]

I see, that’s a great rundown. Thank you!

[winged lark]

can someone help me understand how to use the argent skull efficiently? ive been able to make it to the end area of every world with all other weapons, but i can't even beat hecate with the skull. i feel like i'm missing something

im also playing on keyboard, i have tried like 4 different controllers and they all haven't worked in game or else i'd play with controller

[willow phoenix]

Attack, get skulls, attack, get skulls. I don't know, that's pretty much the gameplay for base skull. There isn't really a lot of room for creativity lol. The damage for skull is pretty big so hera or apollo on attack is nice.

You always want to get your skulls back so the rhythm and the movement might need to be learned but that's it.

For Persephone, it's more fun since there's the added mechanic with cast damage. Get zeus or demeter cast to fill up your gauge and then use your omega special

Medea plays differently since you're basically always on melee. Attack -> special -> pick skulls, repeat. For bigger enemies, you might want to load more skulls to kill them. Get zeus on special for easy blitz.

[fathom lodge]

well when i pick skull i usually spam omega special

i barely attack with the actually skull

@winged lark

[uneven palm]

Attack real close-up mostly. That way it’s faster, you’re less likely to miss, and you pick the skulls right up. Try to keep Huntress up. Bolstered and Possessed Array are the good hammers. Here’s a surface run I did the other day if you wanna see how it plays https://youtu.be/HXDzfPt8j50?si=XUg6_QgX-WvYZmyJ

If you wanna see medea or Persephone instead I can dig up some recordings

[lament pewter]

Anyone got an idea on what's the best weapon for surface runs? i got them all unlocked. last run i died to ||Prometheus|| with his health at around 60% with Moros torches, was a p good run all in all.

[uneven palm]

Best weapon is what you enjoy. They’re all capable. Strongest overall tho are probably like Charon, Pan, Moros, Medea, Artemis

[spring charm]

for me it's the axe with the zeus buff

[arctic glacier]

Is Hera best on Aspect of Melinoe Black Coat, or would Poseidon work better?

[torn surge]

I like aspect of pan (blades) with poseidon flourish or aspect of thanatos (axe) with apollo strike. it's probably more important that you get armor + strength. if you aren't already using it, I'd recommend mental block from athena's boons

[lament pewter]

thanks everyone

[magic moss]

they both can work very well

it really depends on whatever you find first imo

[pearl needle]

ddoes anybody have tips for cerberus

ive had th e game for 4 days and keep dying to them

[magic moss]

whenever he does his slam, you have to dash in a direction and hold sprint for an additional second, longer than you think

his breath attacks can be avoided by moving in a clockwise/ccw direction around hum

his chasing slams you can avoid by putting a cast down and running in a straight line away from him

[pearl needle]

i feel like I'm just sprinting for 15s, hitting once, and repeat

i got him to half hp once and it took very long

[magic moss]

he has pretty slow and noticeable attack patterns once you get them down

https://youtu.be/RZ-rArqxTTI?si=jUkDaf5vXK0coz4V&t=1816 heres a cerb fight i did with mel skulls for reference of what i mean by dashing and holding sprint to dodge his attacks

this is on fury2 to note

[stable barn]

are there any fun builds to try👀 kinda getting bored ngl

smtg like meme beam from h1

[magic moss]

psychic whirlwind thanatos, its entirely hammer dependent on psychic whirlwind but with it you can channel and have multiple o attacks going at once so you just become a beyblade

like while the first one is spinning you channel the next one

[stable barn]

tried that really fun got a sub-9 on it too

btw does the 60 dmg get boosted by anything?

wait i think I'm confusing hammers

are you talking about the "while you're omega attk you can use attk and special"

[magic moss]

yeah the 60 dmg is seething marauder

[magic moss]

this is psychic yup

[stable barn]

ic

i'll give it a try

anything else?

[magic moss]

like other builds or components to the than build

[stable barn]

other builds

[magic moss]

mel staff lucid gain geyser spout onega cast spam

[stable barn]

ooo i think i heard smtg like that on reddit

so any cast+geyser spout+lucid gain?

do you start with pos or apollo keepsake?

[magic moss]

apollo keepsake

you're fine with any cast boon, but lucid gain is the best for it

and any cast boon is needed for geyser spout

[stable barn]

alright danke :)

[uneven palm]

Hera cast with that is real nice

if she shows up naturally

[stable barn]

local climate too

[pearl needle]

what are Mel skulls
is fury 2 a difficulty?

[magic moss]

Mel Skulls is what the community refers to as the Aspect of Melinoe for Revaal, an unlockable weapon later on down the line. Hades 2 has something known as the Oath of the Unseen, which is the Hades 2 equivalent of the Pact of Punishment in Hades 1. Fury is the same thing as Forced Overtime, which is to say that the enemies move and attack faster. Fury 2 makes enemies move and attack 40% faster

[pearl needle]

Thanks

[indigo crescent]

am i not using the umbral flames correctly ? they seem very weak

I deal little damage at best

[magic moss]

probably, which aspect are you using?

[indigo crescent]

im not there yet, I didnt see the aspect page so I assumed there weren't any in this gmae

now it explains it

[crystal ore]

does prometheus attacks count as fire damage for Hestia's legendary boon?

out of curiosity haha

[blissful horizon]

I remember wondering about the same thing and I think I managed to do it once. Let me check what the result was.

[stark ibex]

Is there a guide for the dual blades?

[pearl needle]

how do I unlock aspects

ive already used each weapon once

bUT I don't get the incantation

[uneven palm]

Do an omega special, then get up in enemy grills and hold attack. You can cast and dash while continuing to channel the attack, so do that to not get smacked. I can dig up a video of me playing them if you want but fair warning I play them like a lunatic

[uneven palm]

Which aspect you looking at?

[gaunt coyote]

Honestly just holding omega attack down and learning to stick and weave has been pretty damn effective for me. Im just learning to integrate the specials myself, but something like hestia or hera or particularly posiedon if you're lucky can wreck shop. You're going to be burning through magic, so you do need to think about how you build a little and actively seek gains that can work through holding down your omegas. Good examples are hera, zeus and posiedon of all people as many attacks as you're putting out

Build your cast to be the other 50% of Origination, bring hecuba along to further play into magic and you'll chainsaw through stuff. Right hammers will kick it up a gear as well

[stark ibex]

pan or melinoe

[uneven palm]

Pan’s easy: Poseidon special. Get a gain, Slippery Slope, and something on cast for Origination. Spiral, Sudden, Reaper knives are all great, and Dancing Knives can be good for rooms. Or ignore magick with Trick Knives it’s pretty good.

[uneven palm]

Mel Blades the attack combo is the most straightforward damage. Nearly any god on attack is workable to be honest. Wicked Onslaught is the best hammer it like doubles your base power. Look for anything to supplements rapid attack damage like Slow Cooker from Hestia or Static Shock from Zeus

[blissful horizon]

I checked. Normal attacks/small flames on the ground were affected by Hestia's legendary boon. For the "run across the screen-memory game" attack, I don't remember if they worked, I think they didn't.

[uneven palm]

Or you can do like Hestia attack, add Demeter cast/special and fish for their combo Freezer Burn

[noble cobalt]

I try it the Hera and Hestia Combination build, they do a lot of damage but i still lost to Prometheus. Skill issue

[lament pewter]

best aspect for black coat?

[uneven palm]

Mel probably. Selene is fun tho

[rotund nacelle]

Personal Favorite is Mel Coat, the movement and attack speed are nice to have for any build. Nyx coat giving doubled attacks is good for certain builds that rely on throwing a ton of attacks out, things like Static Shock or stacking scorch with Hestia Attack. I don't use many Omega moves so I find Selene Coat to be mostly cosmetic, but paired with something like Zeus or Posiedon sprint could be quite strong

Anyone have thoughts on running Heph keepsake through Asphodel for 50F runs? Is it going to give value or just be a bit of a waste?

[spare kite]

I had my first "tried h2 mechanic in h1" moment lmfao

y'know the chariot enemies in elysium? I Just tried to press my h2 cast bind to stop them from following me

[cursive oyster]

oh i do that all the time

[tall notch]

I dash into the Elysium eggs to make them disappear

[polar chasm]

Haven't taken it in a while, is brave face worth it?

I'm also being offered an epic nasty comeback which is very tempting

[magic moss]

brave face is good on aspects that aren't very mana hungry, so its essentially free DR for as long as you have mana

for aspects that are mana hungry, then brave face can drain mana really quickly if you aren't careful

fixed gain + brave face tho is an uber strong DR combo

[polar chasm]

Omg a bug ended my run 😭 was so happy to have heroic Heph attack

[magic moss]

que?

[clever iris]

Is there any good resources for reading up on what boons are really good

And things like good boon combinations

[magic moss]

theres nothing of the sort, but the closest thing to a boon "meta" is what I track on my sheet since its just whats taken at the highest level of difficulty (aka 50+ Fear), hence whatever is taken there is just good

[keen leaf]

I kinda approach every run from the perspective of "what did I just get and is there anything at all that can play off that?"

I haven't beaten very many runs but it always ends up with a weapon I'm not particularly fond of using boons I wasn't particularly looking for and just some rare spark of inspiration strikes me and I somehow cobble together a build that works.

Don't get that many rerolls and you can only change keepsakes between levels so you can't depend on things you are looking for although it does help to slowly build a mental (or physical) library of notes on modular combinations you know have some synergy and pay attention to what works during your runs so you can add it to the list. That way you won't accidentally pass up on something because you were too hyperfocused on any one thing... as often. I still do that and regret later.

Like I might have a really good run with some combos and when on a later run I run into part of that same combo I might become hyper fixated on trying to regain that old combo but ultimately I say that isn't the way. If you happen to see that other combo, remember that you can take it again, but don't waste your rolls or make rash decisions because you're chasing that.

[wanton flame]

i've been slowly figuring out builds and i'm getting the feeling that thunder lance is a tad bit strong. at least with aspects such as pan or charon

[bleak night]

Charon with Lightning Lance is strong, but it's not super centralizing on it or anything. Some people prefer it without it

[wanton flame]

poor eris, she doesn't stand a chance if i'm using that thing

well actually nobody does for that matter. most of them are pretty ill-equipped to deal with a ranger

[bleak night]

You doing runs ?

on Charon, at least

[wanton flame]

i did a charon run earlier

[bleak night]

back to Pan rn ig ?

[wanton flame]

rank 1 but it already felt really strong

[bleak night]

yeah it's rly good. You need the Axe guide or have I linked you that already lol

[wanton flame]

even though i didn't get the boons i actually wanted

(meant to sell zeus cast but just kept forgetting to)

[bleak night]

ngl Charon is like super flexible anyway. Just Gain needs to be specific, the rest can be a mix of weird stuff and it'll still work

[wanton flame]

aspect of medea seems really fun because it feels like a lightweight beowulf

[bleak night]

It's rly good, yeah

[torn surge]

Rupture Ring is a lot better than I think I previously gave it credit for

[bleak sleet]

whats the best strike for high damage?

[twilit timber]

Depends on weapon/aspect really

[bleak night]

Aphro if you're trying to do funny numbers

[vernal flower]

Whose got tips for the staff? I've been messing around with it but I can't find anything too crazy. The best builds I've had so far are just aspect of Mel and omega spam.

Aspect of Momus seems interesting, but I feel like it's difficult to get the multiple omegas to hit. foes move too much .

[uneven palm]

Start rotations with an Omega cast to pin em, then add other Omegas. Once the cast starts erupting you can make a call whether to drop a regular cast to keep things in place or save it if you have to set up shop somewhere else real soon. Or use Demeter to freeze things and also Local Climate goes hard with Momus

[vernal flower]

Do you use both omega attack and special alongside cast or just focus 1?

[uneven palm]

Depends on enemy placement and hammers tbh

If I’ve got the magick I use all of em but in a vacuum I lean O special which is more forgiving and cheaper

Omega attack is so fussy to aim on controller

[uneven palm]

Other staffs some options are ignoring Omegas mostly and stacking attack hammers. Some combo of Wicked/Mirrored/Rapid Thrasher makes pretty much any attack boon good.

Or you can look for geyser spout from Poseidon and spam it (Mel Staff) or build the gauge and then spam it (Circe)

My most common play with all staff aspects is start Zeus cast then see what shows-up hammer-wise to see what to focus on next

[vernal flower]

Cool I'll give it a shot

[chrome shore]

Just got a 3795 with the "nuke" from Selene, highest number i've ever seen !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i65NM7bzMc

[icy path]

i just got the game and and am struggling with getting past cerberus, what are some good boons for the 4 weapons?

[cursive oyster]

a lot of boons work well so it’s hard to give a definitive answer- a big part of the game is learning what works well for you and what gods/duo boons you enjoy playing with. later on you unlock an incantation that lets you more easily plan your builds and certain keepsakes and arcana can help you hunt for specific gods/duos. just make sure to try and gift everyone you meet

if you want advice on building a specific weapon just ask though

[icy path]

i like playing the axe alot thats the most fun for me i just wanna know some good boons and stuff to go for and maybe even arcana if that matters

[wanton flame]

this is gonna be rookie numbers if an equivalent to companions is added (that is, if they're even as powerful as battie in hades 1)

[cursive oyster]

axe really likes to get a high % bonus from either apollo or aphrodite’s attack- or a certain god you can meet later on. building into the spin attack can be fun so taking the channel speed arcana and the bonus attack damage with low mana can set you up to use the spin well. rapid slash and seething marauder are both excellent hammers, and putting a burst option like blitz or hephaestus on your special can deal a good amount of damage if you use it periodically

keep playing as well- later in the game you unlock a lot more variation in the weapons which leads to a lot of fun builds

[icy path]

oh okk that sounds good tysm

i was feeling like the omega attack was pretty underwhelming but iv realised i wasn;t really building into it

[cursive oyster]

it can feel a bit underwhelming later in the run if you don’t get something like seething marauder or psychic whirlwind but in erebus especially i love positioning it to stunlock an entire horde of enemies repeatedly

you can also just spin once at the start of the room to get a huge damage boost from huntress on your base attacks for the rest of the room

[icy path]

right that sounds good

[wanton flame]

psychic whirlwind my beloved

[icy path]

thanks i was pretty confused and just kinda taking random stuff and i realised that apollos attack was really good and continuisly taking that

[wanton flame]

1000 damage 🥰

[keen leaf]

My favorite thing lately I call the Giga-Grannies where it was a curse build with Demeter and Hestia's duo boon and ||Hera but don't dare tell her I called her old||. Aphrodite too for MP regen weakness because I wasn't able to snag Apollo's regen. Very cool on the staff when I got the hammer for more bounces on my special.

[proud ridge]

Is there any move for which attack speed buffs are more meaningful than channel speed? Skull attack is the only thing that's obvious to me. Just curious, really.

[uneven palm]

Omega speed boosts are channeling speed

It’s phrased poorly imo

[turbid rose]

I just got a build with Wolf Howl and Executioner's Chop and I literally jumped around the entire battlefield to avoid so much damage

Im curious if this will also work in higher fears because basically the only vow that actually had meaning was frenzy because I was just running for my artifact encounters

[sage flame]

wolf howl is awesome for iframes for sure still good at higher fears

[proud ridge]

"poor phrasing" may be underselling it. if it does work that way then why are there effects that specify channel speed (metallic droplet) while others specify move speed (the sorceress)?

[uneven palm]

Got me

[uneven palm]

You can try in the courtyard. Turn Sorceress on or off and see how channeling Omega moves feels. (Not the axe Omega special; Sorceress just doesn't work for that)

[severe ferry]

I dont have much time invested yet, but the staff's daedalus double-strike upgrade(hits twice at the cost of 5 magick) + Hestia's magick regen shreds really well. Pretty much free double-damage, if you can get both

[twilit timber]

Is this intended or a bug?

[uneven palm]

You’re asking the wrong person. Iirc there’s always been a mix of language like “faster Omega move speed” and “Channel faster” and it’s always just meant channeling in either case

[twilit timber]

No I meant the sorceress not affecting charon

Also are hammer starts no longer a thing? Or do they just not override god keepsakes anymore and that's why I haven't seen one in this game?

[severe ferry]

They definitely are a thing

[uneven palm]

God keepsake will always override a hammer start

[uneven palm]

That feels like a bug. Only Sudden Cleaver and Droplet speed up the axe o special right now

[twilit timber]

Ahh gotcha, they used to not do that in H1, right?

[uneven palm]

Correct. This is new.

[slender apex]

What's a good special and cast combo for the Charon axe?
The axe that pops the cast with an omega special.

[bleak night]

honestly, a lot of combos, it's more of a mix and match

if you have Origination, any cast with a curse + any special (except Scorch) with a curse just works really good already

If you want, like, optimal, then you can go Hera Special and Demeter Cast (crowd control) or Apollo Cast (damage)

[gaunt coyote]

Phial is a busted keepsake send tweet

[magic moss]

Phial is very situational, its really strong given the proper circumstances, but overall its kinda mid

[dull ferry]

what works with the black coat?

I'm struggling to make it work, I'm finding it kinda boring compared to the other weapons

[blissful sphinx]

hammers make a huge difference for coat, other than that I think zeus on special is pretty strong and the skyfall hex is also really strong

[wraith phoenix]

you could try doing a build where you go as fast as possible (movement speed) with mel aspect and zeus sprint trying to get spirit surge and double strike (from zeus as well) its really fun and you can use it for 32f as well (only underworld) it is so much fun and you can do it with any aspect of any weapon but mel coat gives you bonus move speed. if you stack a chaos movement blessing on and then nitro boost and then metallic droplet you'll never have a better time in the fields and you dont have to worry about attack or special or anything

if you want a real build though I recommend daedalus hammers and either focusing completely on the attack or attack-special (attack and then special in between cooldown)

aphro is obviously pretty good for attach cause youll always be close

[magic moss]

the coat is probably the most versatile out of all weapons in the sense that just about every core boon (bar heph atk/special) works decently well

dash attack being multi hit means even hestia and poseidon attack can have value, and the specials being so spammable means its a great curse applier or even a primary source of damage

hera atk zeus special, poseidon attack with hestia special, you can mix and match just about anythjng and find success

its nowhere near as hammer reliant as some people might say

[wraith phoenix]

yeah what they said

I barely know black coat tbh I only have like 10 clears

[dull ferry]

what's also true is that I'm a moros main so I'm used to just oneshotting everything

I just gotta get used to it

[magic moss]

including runs done for testaments ive only done like 15 coat runs total but 3 were on 50F so

the coat is honestly really fun to use and allows for so much build variety

[dull ferry]

I have one clear with it and it was with hestia's attack with the hammer that makes the dash-strike do more hits, it was pretty good but I never got the boon that makes hestia's scorch do damage more quickly

I'm not saying I don't like it, but it is taking its time to grow on me, it happened to me with other weapons as well, thanks everyone for the help

[magic moss]

the best gameplay loop for the coat is atk atk special for the most damage while still giving options for dash timings and dash attacks

[dull ferry]

alright, gonna take that into account, regarding aspects now, mel is the best, right?

[magic moss]

coat has grown on me after not liking it initially, but none of the aspects are in my top 5 favs tho

[magic moss]

they all are strong in their own ways to the point where you can’t really define a “best,” but Mel has the lowest skill floor tho so ig?

[dull ferry]

when I first read what the aspects do I didn't really like any of them

[magic moss]

comparing mel coat and nyx is like comparing mel axe and thanatos, very similar weapons/playstyle but has different distinct strengths

[torn surge]

static shock, flame/hitch strike, things that benefit a lot from spam. someone recommended zeus special but i think you're probably better off with poseidon special. the hammer for +3 dash strike hits and 25% chance for rocket after swing (for origination) are probably good

[dull ferry]

alright, thanks!

[magic moss]

zeus special is insane for coat due to how easy it is to apply, proc, and reapply blitz and will often outdamage other special boons assuming the specials are being used as the sub dps option while attacks are main

even the inverse, where special is main dps and attacks are sub dps, zeus attack is still probably the best option

[torn surge]

Oh well I am going off vibes for my understanding, I think you have a more empirical break down of how the game works so in this case I retract what I said and trust your judgement more lol

Logically it seemed like zeus' special might take a long time to apply then reapply but it seems as though my expectation was incorrect

[lapis solar]

Any boon suggestions for the argent skull?? My favorite aspect of it is Madea.

[twilit timber]

Ohhhhhh this is why the coat feels so good, I finally get it

It gives me the most H1-like feeling where I am really not worrying about what boons or gods or stuff i will get, I just pick a starter god then roll with whatever and I know I will still have a decent build at the end

I feel like compared to h1 I stick to very same-y builds for each aspect

[polar chasm]

I love Zeus attack, it's just so much fun

[twilit timber]

Like Idk I feel like picking an aspect basically already decides what my gods and build are going to be

Compared to h1 where I felt like I could really just pick whatever weapon and whatever the game threw at me and still end up decent

[polar chasm]

Yeah agreed. Like with Heph I have to consider rarity for the cool downs and some weapons just need quick damage. You can grab really good support boons from any though, not that it takes away from your point

[uneven yacht]

does having all your magicka primed procs huntress?

[spare kite]

No

[lapis solar]

I will say one boon that I’ve noticed to have a cool effect is Apollos. Clears rooms insanely fast cus of the bigger blast radius.

[uneven palm]

The meta build for Medea is Zeus special, any +percentage on attack. Probably want Demeter or Heph for some defense

[stable lichen]

omfg

i cant believe it took me 250+ runs until i discovered you can spam the coat dash strike by holding onto the omega attack and dash cancelling over and over again

this changes everything

[uneven palm]

Have you tried playing with Auto-Fire?

[stable lichen]

does that work

[uneven palm]

It’s… interesting. You can spam missiles as fast as possible pretty much. You can watch me try it out here https://youtu.be/wE3goc9Rung?si=2dvfO7loMzBpTxbG

The combos depend on order of inputs, distance to an enemy, speed, and magick reserves so it’s a little unstable feeling IMO

[stable lichen]

huh

that looks very janky

ive just been abusing the dashcancel to spam poseidon dashstrikes but this also looks cool

[uneven palm]

I personally don’t love it but it did give my mashing fingers a small break haha

[stable lichen]

idk ive just never done much much with the coat special as of now

it just seems to take forever for the missiles to actually home onto something

ive always just seen the special on the coat and the skulls as just methods to apply origination and nothing else really

unless its medea or persephone in which they do different things

[uneven palm]

Try doing special attack attack on the coats. The rockets hit pretty hard, you can attack while rockets are flying, and you wanna get to the second punch that has more power. That’ll do roughly equal special/attack damage at base.

[uneven palm]

Special -> dash-strike is good too with like Poseidon on attack

[stable lichen]

wait do i actually want to use the attack combo on the coat or should i just spam dashstrikes

i feel like dashstrikes are just a lot less clunky in general

[sage flame]

depending on if you have to dash again or are relatively safe, it's usually good to dash attack, attack x2 and a special as you go for another dash

[stable lichen]

ive just been doing this

oh you cant send vimeo links

https:/ /vimeo.com/1044095918

just remove the space and copypaste

(the specials were from that one hammer that fires them when you attack, i just kept my finger on attack and dashcanceled)

[polar chasm]

Apollo attack or something else?

[magic moss]

optimally yes

[stable lichen]

even for poseidon attack builds?

[magic moss]

unless you have the dash attack hits 3 more times, kinda sorta because it still lets you utilize specials more than just purely dash attacking

[stable lichen]

ah

fair enough

[rotund nacelle]

I use Phial a lot when taking Athena in Erebus. Often ends up being a 1/2 or 2/3 whether or not it gets big value, but some boons like Storm Ring, Heaven Flourish, Trusty Shield, etc. get such a large benefit from 3 levels of rarity I'd say it's worth it. Particularly since Oceanus isn't great for taking a God Keepsake with Vow of Forfeit

[magic moss]

im not saying its bad necessarily, in the context of 50 you're getting so little boons overall that phial targets are low and often give good value. More often than not, Phial needs this kind of set up to get a similar value, and most of the time its going to be upgrading something that you dont really need

[rotund nacelle]

Yeah, the 2nd region is really the only time you'd be able to narrow down the selection to a 1/2 or better odds, mainly since you can pick up the Phial before using the fountain. It probably get less value without Forfeit active since you have more boons coming out of Erebus, but with forfeit I find the odds are often good enough that it's worth rolling for it. Mainly though, I don't really know what else to take when using an Athena start. God Keepsakes don't get much value through Oceanus, Experimental Hammer isn't going to last through Tartarus like it does if taken in Asphodel, Gold Purse is kinda mid, Concave Stone is (I think) worse odds for getting value than Aromatic Phial, and most of the others are temporary value that don't help set up the later half of the run

[magic moss]

whenever i do athena start its typically followed by a god keepsake oceanus because i can play far riskier due to having an athena boon so i can try to burn onion before going into miniboss instead of going for a skip room

timer past erebus is also not really that big of a deal so theres that as well

[rotund nacelle]

I suppose so, yeah. Would you also try to save artificer rerolls to potentially burn the onion earlier into Oceanus? Or is it better to always use them as early as possible?

[sage flame]

i think its better to try to get as much power as you can in erebus tbh

if you could get lucky it might be nice but prob not worth to save artificer till oceanus

[magic moss]

if you're playing a high base damage aspect, i would save 1 for oceanus (so like moros, charon, thanatos, etc)

[sage flame]

thats a good rule of thumb actually yea

if your aspect has an easier time getting started cause of big damage for sure

[uneven palm]

I didn’t think about this explicitly but yeah that feels right

[magic moss]

if you also are on a good erebus pace (so like 2 min left at location 8), then i would also look to save 1

[tall notch]

If I'm already gambling on my Oceanus keepsake, it'll be experimental hammer

[hollow swallow]

Any Artemis enjoyers out there? Seems to me that Aphro would be insane on the attack, or is there anything better?

[rotund nacelle]

I save Experimental Hammer for Asphodel so it'll last until the end of the run

[cursive oyster]

2 minutes left at room 8 is a kinda bad erebus pace tbh

[magic moss]

tru

[cursive oyster]

you want a minute for hecate so that’s 3 rooms to get through in a minute which requires a skip at least for me

[magic moss]

a good erebus pace would be like 3 min left room 8

[cursive oyster]

that’s a great erebus pace yeah

i aim for like 2:45-3 mins

[uneven palm]

Aphro’s great but I’ve been using Apollo more lately myself. The extra reach is handy on both regular attacks and Explosive Ambush.

[magic moss]

artemis is fun to use and honestly just about every attack bar heph can work, though % boons work better since it scales better with crit

artemis just gets overshadowed by the fact that it shares a weapon with Pan

[hollow swallow]

Ohhh I haven't tried Apollo tbh, thats interesting. puts you on a fast track for Perfect image and the double attack

[uneven palm]

Or add Aphro for heartthrobs and their duo

[hollow swallow]

tbh. Pan feels kinda bad to me if you dont get spiral knives. I know its still very good, idk it feels so much worse though

[uneven palm]

If you’re spamming omegas

I am an Artemis lover but gotta admit Pan’s got hands

[magic moss]

even without spiral, Pan kinda outclasses most aspects

[uneven palm]

If you’re doing regular attacks mostly like @magic moss said basically everything except Heph starts at good on attack with Artemis.

[uneven palm]

Kinda wild that the most H1 Chiron-y is like the world-beater this time around

[magic moss]

meanwhile beo is still beo

[uneven palm]

If you wanna see any particular style of Artemis play I’ve probably done em all I can dig up some videos

[hollow swallow]

maybe its just preference, but Madea feels more consistent to me, with Pan having a way higher ceiling.

[uneven palm]

For sure Medea starts strong. Turns out built-in almost +100% damage is good

[magic moss]

its the other way around for most and as you climb fear, Medea prob has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game

pan has a high skill floor in terms of properly piloting the aspect but low ceiling

Persephone tho, now thats a high floor and ceiling

[sage flame]

is it crazy to say that persephone is cool and fun

cause racecar :)

[magic moss]

i like persephone

[uneven palm]

I’m a weirdo and think like Persephone would be a great first-32 clear aspect. The meta build starts storm ring which is good, it encourages constant cast use which is often what new players are missing, and then you’re invincible half the time

[cursive oyster]

persephone is fine on 32 but is cancer with 5 minutes timer and onion

[uneven palm]

50 was rough there amen

[cursive oyster]

i fig leafed my erebus

[uneven palm]

I think I just RNGd my way out of the back half of Erebus iirc

[past salmon]

... does it? 😭

[magic moss]

i want to say yes because the playstyle is so unique and historically its been the aspect people have struggled with the most

[past salmon]

idk I don't think the aspect itself has a high skill requirement
I think it just happens to be on the weaker side so general gameskill requirement is higher

[magic moss]

thats still high skill

[past salmon]

high skill for Hades 2
Not high skill for Persephone
I think there is an important difference

especially when talking about "skill ceiling"
there isn't really much you can improve at for Persphone specifically

[junior trail]

i found someone on reddit doing something similar with coat's stuff as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1hikj4c/coats_exploits_bonanza/

apparently it procs blood line and cascade if done right

[uneven palm]

lol nice

[magic moss]

thats fair, and on second thought i agree

[neon crown]

where do I find the boon list? i have no idea how exactly i can find duo/leg boon requirements without googling it

[uneven palm]

Gift nectar to every god once, and I think at least one of them twice. There’s an incantation that’ll give you the in-game boon list

[neon crown]

okay

[tall notch]

If you have the keepsake levelled up, using it in Oceanus will last for the entire run!

[uneven yacht]

can soneone post their arcana build? I'm tired of running the same over and over again

[silent crow]

full 1st row
full 2nd row except unseen
full 3rd row except eternity
artificer and strength

[dusty ember]

whats the best build for the xinth? i cant find one that really works

[twilit timber]

No rerolls

But I get it, stuff gets kinda boring if you manage to reroll into the same build every time, 10 is a loooot

[uneven palm]

The trick with the Coat is knowing a good rotation. Something like special attack attack is a good start because you can attack while rockets are flying. Honestly anything on attack/special can work out from there. I’d take Zeus to start, take the highest rarity Blitz on offer, and keep looking for him for Static Shock

[dusty ember]

blitz on special or basic?

[uneven palm]

Either’s fine. Take the highest rarity on offer. If there’s a tie, I’d take special.

[merry wagon]

I'm just waiting to fully upgrade Judgment and then I think I'll just be running that lol

[brittle berry]

okay so currently the Black Coat aspect of Nyx is just so overwhelmingly fun for me that I am having a hard time going back to other weapons XD anyone else feel that?

The movement, the blasting when I crash into an enemy, followed by a barrage of attacks and the semi-auto(!) special for range just flow perfectly for my taste, as I can focus mostly on positioning and avoiding before crashing back into something and destroying the hell out of it

I'm gonna have to put it aside so I can miss it lol

[neon crown]

Hecate just used some laser attack ive never seen before

is me not seeing it a plot/progression thing

[shadow shell]

I think it is like how in hades 1 the more you fought different boses they got updates? Like the fury sisters changing, the hydra changing aspects etc

[shrewd bear]

Could it be fear related ? I think I had the same thing when I first used the oath

[magic moss]

you just got unlucky probably never seeing it. Hecate’s laser attack, lunar ray and yea the same as the hex, is among her attack cycle

Every time you fight Hecate she has one hex attack that she uses between phaes that changes each run

[neon crown]

ive done about 65 runs

and now poly has black sheep

never seen either until just now

[spare kite]

He has like 4 different sheep

[neon crown]

what

[sage flame]

im not gonna lie I have many runs and have barely any idea what the any of sheep do lmao

[neon crown]

ive only seen the white ones, and then some black earlier during a chaos trial

[stable lichen]

there are green ones i think but i have no idea what they do

[neon crown]

the black explode or smth

[sage flame]

I one they usually sometimes hurt or stun u or something and one hurts poly if he eats then

[stable lichen]

oh thats probably green then

[sage flame]

or maybe just doesn't heal him? I can't remember cause it barely happens

[stable lichen]

yeah idk it feels like the sheep only show up 10% of the time

[neon crown]

so now that i start seeing some new stuff like black sheep and the lunar ray for hecate, is every boss getting a EM change like that

[stable lichen]

its not an EM change

[neon crown]

something similar i mean

[stable lichen]

probably in a future update we're getting EM

[neon crown]

since its not a actual vow (yet)

[sage flame]

EM would be something bigger

[stable lichen]

cant wait for prometheus to have two eagles

[sage flame]

fully new moves or phases usually

[neon crown]

ive never seen the lunar ray phase change for hecate in over 60 runs

until now

[stable lichen]

oh speaking of moon stuff what does the moon phase in the menu even mean

[sage flame]

I've seen it many times, it's def part of the normal rotation

[neon crown]

that cant be just really bad rng

[stable lichen]

like it randomly shows you what the moon phase is

what does that even impact

[sage flame]

nothing? afaik? I hope it does something tho

[neon crown]

one in 60 does not even seem right

[stable lichen]

oh

i was thinking maybe it somehow impacted path of stars since thats the only other thing using moon phases? idk

[neon crown]

in the selene boon menu?

[stable lichen]

nah

in the inventory top right corner

[sage flame]

it would be really cool for the moon phase to effect gameplay somehow, not that you want waxing and waning power levels from run to run but different bonuses or something on different phases would be sweet and super thematic

[sage flame]

and when you view the moon in the training ground

[stable lichen]

imagine if poseidon boons were stronger at the new moon since tides are stronger

[neon crown]

isnt that always the same?

[bleak night]

Wtf

[sage flame]

i think it was added on the olympus update to change I think lemme check

[bleak night]

Did the bot just catch that phishing link instantly

[sage flame]

I think so

[neon crown]

I’ve only played Olympus

[sage flame]

ah then maybe im crazy

[stable lichen]

its really easy to miss

[sage flame]

I know mel sometimes comments on the cycle of the moon

or somebody does? at the crossroads

[neon crown]

If anything maybe just boost material rates like rain does

Like maybe increases silver chances

[sage flame]

okay yeah she comments on the moon phase when you view it but yeah mine isnt matching rn, but i assume itll match in a future update, my b

i must have viewed it when it actually matched one time and assumed "oh they added the rest of the phases lol"

[neon crown]

think i went way overboard with coins

bought everything in final shop (boon, triple pom, double heart, full heal, nightmare) and still have almost 2000 left

[neon crown]

are pyro tecnique and freezer burn mutually exclusive? or is it just duo boon rng screwing me

[sage flame]

i dont think theyre exclusive

but i dont think i can remember any evidence to either way

[junior trail]

nah they're compatible

[analog quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819297339004289048/1326003006579409017/Screenshot_2025-01-06_at_20.png?ex=677dd808&is=677c8688&hm=b355e75c78902be193438fa9e8b0f6bd51e657eafe5f63cc3ccb902e1a3cea42&

super machine gun at the cost of running out of magick instantly

[neon crown]

what's a good god to use for cast builds? I ended up using dem/aphro/apollo the last few times and not sure if anythings better. also, is there a better cast weapon than charon axe?

[junior trail]

anvil ring/local climate with momus is okay, not the charon level thats for sure

weapon for cast builds... if omega cast then, mel staff (with geyser spout) and persephone skull

also storm ring + double strike + king's ransom

[wanton flame]

does blood line proc for each attack shot?

if only SOMEHOW you could counterbalance the magick cost

probably not possible actually if you're using omega specials too

actually no i was thinking of hestia's gain boon but that absolutely would not be enough

[twilit tendon]

hestia's gain would not proc once you start channeling your

[stable lichen]

now add weed killer

[stable lichen]

tbf you'd probably have enough power that you'd kill enemies at a quick enough rate for born gain + a bunch of extra magic + hecuba

maybe add on the unseen arcana

[spare kite]

Pray that chaos gives you mana discounts

[stable lichen]

i wonder if the egg and the embryo are the same thing in H1 and H2

it makes sense for the egg to hatch into an embryo after all

[trim fractal]

just curious, is the engraved pin supposed to proc when you still have DDs remaining?

just lost on chronos p2 cause i assumed it would proc after all the DDs run out

[brave lynx]

It procs when you hit 0 regardless of DDs or not

[icy path]

im new to this game, what are some good boons for the twin blades

[cursive oyster]

hestia’s attack is really good to start, from there you can pick up demeter cast to look for their duo, aphro’s gain or dash for their duo, or just pyro technique from hestia. best hammers are wicked onslaught by a mile, then trick knives if you can find a juicy special boon (pos and zeus are my favorites), and final slice. you could also start with aphro attack and just take whatever power/damage you can find, like slow cooker, wicked onslaught, poms on flutter strike, and secret crush

[icy path]

oops i just skipped hestias attack for the special 😭

[cursive oyster]

flame flourish is decent but weirdly scales worse than the attack

[icy path]

how does the curse work btw it doesnt rrly look like it does damage, or does it just not pop up

[cursive oyster]

when you afflict an enemy with scorch, a number will show up beneath them and part of their health will turn orange. each hit from a scorch afflicting move increases that number. each second, that number decreases by 80 and 80 damage is dealt to the enemy. global % based modifiers affect this damage but it cannot crit. if i had furies affecting this damage (20% at level 1) the scorch removed each second would still be 80 but the final damage would be 80 * 1.2 = 96 DPS. the boon pyro technique increases the base amount of scorch removed each second- at level 1 it increases by 50%, so our final dps would be (80 x 1.5) 120 x 1.2 (from furies) = 144 damage per second

[icy path]

oh okk that sounds rrly good

tysm for bothering to type that 😭

[cursive oyster]

np

[uneven palm]

You can definitely make Bloodline work on the torches with Born gain. Need some magick pots and Hecuba for good measure https://youtu.be/ND9YrN_aLVE?si=YZDa9EcYhub2EcKH

Actually worked better than I thought

[icy path]

im about to fight chronos for the first time, any tips/advice? twin blade scorch build if that matters

[cursive oyster]

he has a lot of moves with interesting timings, don’t get discouraged if he feels crazy hard at first

[icy path]

oh great im gonna die arent i 😭

[cursive oyster]

if he does his vacuum scythe spin move get behind him you can get a lot of damage in during that attack

gl you got this

[twilit tendon]

oh and also beware of the "generously telegraphed" attacks he might do at some point lol

[icy path]

i got the Aphrodite and Demeter duos for scorch as well so yeah

[cursive oyster]

oh hell yeah

if you can keep weak up don’t focus on doing too much damage just let scorch chip him

[icy path]

+4 rare flame strike and +2 common flame floursh

[icy path]

i got the gain so i should

[cursive oyster]

yeah that’s the best one imo

[icy path]

also apollos sprint wiht backstab

and self healing which should help

[twilit tendon]

does the pos-aphro duo apply to all aphro's duo (itself included) as well ?

[cursive oyster]

just be careful around his scythe swings and you got this

[icy path]

cinerary circle i got as well from hades

[cursive oyster]

yeah

[icy path]

i didnt know what to pick so i went with that cause big number

[cursive oyster]

big numbers are always funny

[icy path]

the other was hp steal and uh smth

last grasp

but i only have one defiance so i thought it wouldnt be that great

[cursive oyster]

ah rip you missed deep dissent

[icy path]

whats that

[cursive oyster]

yeah last gasp is funny when you get a lot of dds tho

removes half of chronos’s summons

[icy path]

oh summons ew

[cursive oyster]

chronos likes to summon a lot of bs

[icy path]

i also got support fire from uh whoever gives it cause that looked the best

[cursive oyster]

support fire is ok

kinda best on scorch builds tho cause it cant crit

[icy path]

my hex isnt that good though sadly casue got moon water and only one path of stars area

[icy path]

oh thats good cause thats what i am

[cursive oyster]

sounds like a good build

[icy path]

now we gotta see if im good 😭

16.6h playtime so ima probs struggle 💔

ima do it now thanks for the advice

[cursive oyster]

good luck

[icy path]

tyyy

oh theres a dialogue

[cursive oyster]

yeah he really likes to talk

[icy path]

💔

i lost

[cursive oyster]

ah rip

[icy path]

the f**king beamer is iuhgrwuojsgbhigrsnejfl

[cursive oyster]

the goldwraith?

[icy path]

THAT THINGY IDK

RAHHH

[cursive oyster]

yeah he can summon a lot worse

[icy path]

also is there like a phase 2 bc i felt like his hp was going down too fast 😭

[cursive oyster]

i will say on my first attempt i didn’t even get him to half health

[icy path]

oh well i got him to like 15% or smth 😭

[cursive oyster]

uhhh maybe :)

[icy path]

oh no

[cursive oyster]

honestly the part where he summons elites in p1 is the hardest part of the fight imo

[icy path]

oop

i dont even think it was the elite beamer.. im pretty sure i basically instakilled the elite 😭

it was like a little beamer

[cursive oyster]

yeah if he summons the satyr rat summoners i want to cry

[icy path]

satr rat?

[cursive oyster]

the guys in tart that summon rats

[icy path]

i like uh fought him as one of my elites he didnt seem that hard

oh

[cursive oyster]

and throw fireballs

[icy path]

oh yeah he died easy 😭

i had like the uh hammer that makes my specials bounce

with the scorch they died pretty quick

[cursive oyster]

yeah dancing knives is great

[icy path]

yeah that

[cursive oyster]

how many nights are you on?

[icy path]

how do i check

[cursive oyster]

title screen i think

[icy path]

31 nights

[cursive oyster]

ah ok

have you unlocked the surface yet?

[icy path]

no still under wards i have no clue how to unlock 😭

[cursive oyster]

weird normally hermes shows up and tells you to go

[icy path]

oh

i heard smth abt the wards from uh

whatever her name she isnt there rn but yeah

[cursive oyster]

have you unlocked the incantation?

[icy path]

the one that contests with you to kill i think i heard smth from

is it uh permentation of whatever

[cursive oyster]

yes

[icy path]

oh iv had that for ages oops

gonna buy fabric

i dont have enough bones 💔

[cursive oyster]

a huge upgrade you can get requires you to get the 5th weapon (using bronze from the surface) and then kill hecate with it

[icy path]

yeah i was wondering to get bronze 😭

ima quickly do a run and get 2 bone 😔

[cursive oyster]

just take pickaxe to region 1 of surface and go as fast as you can to get bronze before you die

[icy path]

yeah

found a bone gate finally

finally died took long enough

oh iv gotta wait 💔

[cursive oyster]

rip

[icy path]

found a chaos gate early im taking that as a win

[icy path]

got bronze 👅

[icy path]

i killed hecatate with it but nothing happened

[analog quail]

YEP!!!

[analog quail]

lucid gain + dem cast + mental block + running away like a my feet are on fire (oh wait)

[cursive oyster]

have you used each of the other weapons to kill hecate?

[icy path]

Yeah

[twilit timber]

What upgrade are you talking about? Aspects?

On another, if I pick up a centaur heart with Artemis keepsake equipped, will I get the +25 when I switch keepsakes for next biome?

[cursive oyster]

yeag

[cursive oyster]

just keep doing runs to the underworldwith different weapons

[icy path]

I stopped playing for a but but after I killed he with twin blades I got it for some reason

[cursive oyster]

weird

[scenic canyon]

i was wondering what boons would bhe good for a new comer

i havn't beat chronos yet but i wanted to know what would be good to beat him with

[cursive oyster]

1. run strength over eternity once you have maxxed out the card. it gives much more survivability and allows room for error in earlier regions- and the 25% bonus damage is never bad.
2. the best builds differ from weapon to weapon wildly, but if you want to get your first clear two fairly easy builds are focusing on strong ranged attacks with the staff, you could try and build into strong omega moves or just click wave flourish + static shock and spam base special to not worry about mana. i also like scorch builds on fast weapons so you can build up a large amount of scorch and then focus on dodging. no matter your build i heavily recommend getting a strong cast like storm or arctic ring and keeping it down on enemies at all times- it’s a really good habit to build.

[junior trail]

woah TIL heartthrob is capped at 6 now

maybe 6 is a bit low?

cuz it kinda killed sunny

[neon glen]

so like. I won't lie, I really wasn't sold on the black coat when it released, but now I'm underground with a heroic Artemis boon for shooting out arrows whenever my special hits anything and it's honestly doing a pretty crazy good job wiping rooms

[tall notch]

Wait, i thought they only nerfed the damage. So you also get fewer of them now?

[junior trail]

yeah the nerf came in the same patch (olympic pre-patch 6) i think

[twilit timber]

Pls try Mel coat with Hera/apollo attack and blitz special. Thanks.

Also Mel coat surface with apollo sprint, Hermes sprint and circe's chibi boons pls

Mel having the zoomies is the funniest thing ever

[uneven palm]

Yeah you can only stack up 6 now, instead of like infinite “pink aura” style

[tall notch]

Pink aura even more dead than it already was smh my head

[junior trail]

love handles/chain reaction with 2 sec blast is still good tho

as grand caldera's aoe blasts proc heartthrob as well

not like speedrunning good but the blast meme run good

[empty crest]

So this is like a random thing for me
maybe its just me maybe im not using it properly but like
With how "relatively" expensive it is to get at the start of the game, the umbral flames kinda suck

[cursive oyster]

how do you like to play them?

[empty crest]

Currently im just trying different ways out
right now im trying like what i think it would be used for
like either ranged attack dps or special spam

special spam has been working out like smoother for me but at the same time the special isnt too bad

[cursive oyster]

special spam is decent if you get a good special boon early but i prefer just keeping omega attack held down as much as possible

[empty crest]

Currently Doing Freeze attack
blast special and split strike

it's going pretty good so far

[twilit tendon]

for omega spam I recommend Zeus

static shock + spirit surge is easy win

[empty crest]

bet

[uneven palm]

With Mel Torches, you wanna do an Omega special (once leveled, it's worth stacking them up sometimes if you've got the magick) then get up in baddies' faces and hold attack. The specials don't hitstun enemies, but attacks do. You can cast and dash while attacking, so dance around and keep casts to keep enemies off you. Pretty much anything is fine on attack/special but Hera attack Zeus special is probably best overall. Hera, Zeus, Poseidon all good on gain. I play it like this https://youtu.be/gVYmj9cLGuw but full disclosure people think I play them like a lunatic

[ember frigate]

is it a good idea to always keep vow on frenzy always max? i do really well when going down but i start to really struggle when going up on 2nd and 3rd area (mostly 3rd area even with no vow of frenzy)

[uneven palm]

If you're thinking of doing like much beyond 32 Fear, I'd leave it on just to get used to it

Some stuff is borderline unfair on the surface with max frenzy right now

[ember frigate]

so bassicly replace vow of frenzy with vow of wards or return when going up

[uneven palm]

Maybe. Those will impact your timer.

Tbh I found it useful to stick on max frenzy for a while, then if you need to say go for 24 or 32 you can go down to Frenzy 1, make it up with others, and the game feels easy

[spare kite]

Max frenzy makes me feel something when playing the game

Fangs 2 too but that one is more of

[subtle cape]

i just played a BUNCH of only frenzy vow runs just to get used to it

also needed Prometheus practice so it was helpful

[magic moss]

@main minnow skulls are a very interesting in the sense that you kind of have to play counterintuitively. The skulls work best at close/mid ranges operating as a burst weapon instead of operating as a long range weapon with continuous damage due to the pick up timings and low ammo count. For Mel Skulls, approach fights by firing all 3 skulls and running towards the enemy, making sure to use your dash to dodge the attacks as you approach while picking up the skulls. Then while you are still in close range, fire them again. Medea operates as a glass cannon where instead of the skull being the bullet, you are. Load up an attack then special through an enemy to detonate it for massive amounts of damage. Very high risk but high reward. Persephone is the most unique of the 3 because you rely on your omega special to do the heavy lifting, which is again very counterintuitive based on how the other aspects play

[sage flame]

yeah skull is odd to pick up cause it's peculiar

it's good tho, just has some getting used to for sure

[subtle cape]

Medea is daunting but so much fun

[uneven palm]

@main minnow I can dig up some vods of gameplay of any of the skull aspects if you wanna see how to use em

[sage flame]

speaking of skull I hope they can buff the oattack some more in ways that don't make the oattack pickup hammer even stronger

I still feel like it's just kinda eh and probably not worth the charge up time

[silent crow]

the oatk pickup hammer is still stupid and they should probably ax it entirely

[uneven palm]

it used to be crazier it used to do the omega attack for free

[sage flame]

this is probably the most reasonable way out tbh, hopefully replace it with something cool too

[uneven palm]

I'd rather they leave Possessed and replace a bunch of the meh attack hammers like Looming or Destructive with something cooler

[sage flame]

also fair

[main minnow]

yes that would be very useful

[junior trail]

does possessed array magick cost increase when using boons like exceptional talent or weed killer?

[uneven palm]

they're all "free" with Possessed

[junior trail]

whattt

thats beyond good

[uneven palm]

yeah free weed killer rules

[main minnow]

yeah i think skull just plays SO much more differently from the other weapons that it messes with the way that I play to a point that its not really enjoyable for me. I think its also the fact that in my head, "skull" doesn't have any "built in" properties other than "holds brain"

for example, in the first game i was pretty familiar with what to expect from all the weapons because i knew what they were. i know what to expect from a spear, or a bow, or a sword, or boxing gloves, or a glock (lol) because these are things that people are generally familiar with.

obviously i get that mel's a witch so she uses more "witchy" themed weapons. it's just hard for me to build up a muscle memory with skulls because i have to wait so long with attacks that i'm not familiar with that don't really feel good to play

that being said, my favorite weapon from the first game was the bow, so. maybe i just need to grit my teeth and try the skull a few more times

[bleak night]

Give Aspect of Medea a shot, it's probably going to change your perspective of the weapon since it plays so differently

I think Mel Skull is still incredibly clunky and off, despite doing very well with it, so it's definitely a "feel" and handling thing

[main minnow]

I have given it a shot a few times, I probably just need to try it out more on 0F. its not something that i look particularly forward to

[sage flame]

skull is closer to a melee weapon than the bow was, tho its not like long range really existed in either game that much

[bleak night]

What difficulty level do you usually play in ?

[main minnow]

right now i've been grinding out the testaments and champion of night, so it depends

[bleak night]

Just run Strength instead of Eternity on Medea and you shouldn't have issues, honestly

[uneven palm]

Here's like a real basic Mel Skull build (Hera attack, Bolstered Array is good): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dty9chOuWfs

Here's the meta-y build for Medea (% attack, Zeus special): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZE_bWqJlE0

And Persephone I'd use Zeus cast before Poseidon here but you should get the idea of the loop from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9PXTmWer-g

[bleak night]

The weakness on that thing is the lack of true defensive options

[main minnow]

i'm def not "good" at the game by any means (and judging by #h2-victory-boasting i'm dogwater) so i generally play on lower fear

[bleak night]

Tbf there's no need to compare yourself to other people that play the game

[uneven palm]

For real don't compare yourself to some of the lunatics with hundreds of hours

[bleak night]

If you're learning, then focus on learning

[uneven palm]

👆

[main minnow]

thanks yall ❤️

[bleak night]

I find that fundamentals and general tips for the aspect kinda carry me through the run even if I don't play them well. Tbh I only really play Axe and Coat myself

But yeah, for Skull you can probs just watch videos to see what really good players do as a sort of benchmark for what you can do, then try to apply that to your gameplay a lil. Medea is fun though I gotta say

[main minnow]

i LOVE spear's omega attack so thats def the one i play the most, especially when i keep trying for surface 32F

[bleak night]

Which one is Spear? The Staff ?

[main minnow]

oh sorry, yeah I mean the staff

basic attack feels similar to spear from hades 1 lol

[bleak night]

Usually people find that one the hardest to clear surface with, but if it works for you then that's pretty nice

[main minnow]

I like juicing my omega attack to the point that it lowkey replaces a regular attack. only way to get reliable AOE on that thing, especially with casts (my beloved)

[bleak night]

But I get the whole 'not liking a weapon and then needing to clear testaments with it', but Medea should alleviate your issues a fair bit since both Attack and Special are good on it, so a lot of the hammers work well

[bleak night]

Staff builds are mostly non-omega, so kinda refreshing to see that lol

[main minnow]

hermes is my best friend

[bleak night]

You want general tips on making a certain Skull aspect work btw? Whichever one interests you

[silent crow]

staff omegas are like pretty great honestly

[main minnow]

yeah tbh i dont think i'm gonna be going for testaments with skull at any time soon, i'll give some regular 0f runs a try though

[bleak night]

No point in going 0 since the Vow that makes next-region enemies spawn exists

[silent crow]

its js that all 3 aspects are the same 😭😭

[bleak night]

Ngl it's free at low fear

So probs mark those initial nightmares down already with those easier ones. If you're playing Mel Skull and Medea, the Mana Priming ones are also free

[silent crow]

i think the worst part abt skulls is how the skull projectile is like 1 pixel wide and misses everything

[bleak night]

Grinding Skull runs made me quit the game so lol

[silent crow]

how does bolstered and mel skull work btw is it like 50-70-90-110-130 power or 50-70-90-90-90

[uneven palm]

the former

[bleak night]

+80 with 1/5 yeah

[silent crow]

oh wow thats really dumb

[main minnow]

so real, thats what my initial skull message in #h2-feedback came after lol

[uneven palm]

Yeah, bolstered is great on Mel Skull

[bleak night]

Oh, I mean I grinded it on 55 and wanted to smash my face onto a wall

Done already though, at least

[main minnow]

a different breed for sure

[silent crow]

i can only play mel skull witj apollo attack

[bleak night]

Doesn't help that I played the worst one for 55s for some ungodly reason

[silent crow]

im so sick of aiming it

[bleak night]

Do you aim from a long or medium distance ?

[silent crow]

is perseph even that much worse than the others

[bleak night]

Considering it needs MP, yeah. 100%

[silent crow]

no ill be like pretty close and the thing just grazes past the enemy

[bleak night]

Running Hecuba alone on 55 makes it harder because I have 40 less HP

[silent crow]

specially with the flying enemies where center of mass is harder to identify

[bleak night]

Ah fair

[silent crow]

ohh i see

[bleak night]

Idk haven't played Mel Skulls in a long time

Whenever I boot up the game for the random run it's just Mel Axe or Charon

[silent crow]

i like perseph a lot tbh

[bleak night]

It's good, just completely off-putting in terms of handling

[silent crow]

its odd and i kind of like it

[bleak night]

Btw give Zeus start Medea a shot

[silent crow]

throwing out normal atks with the other stuff is fun

[bleak night]

Get Blitz on your Special then you can ig hunt for Aphro/Dem/Hera for Attack

Kinda free, honestly

[silent crow]

is it js me or is destructive array like really good

[main minnow]

free is a strong word but i'll try it out!

[silent crow]

like free 50% multiplicative atk dmg

[bleak night]

What's good about Pers is when you find Possessed Array and have really good regen already, so finding a good Attack boon if you haven't yet isn't the worst

that aspect has built-in +30% Omega Damage, so it's still good without

Twisting Crash still the best on it tho

[silent crow]

twisting crash so silly i love 2x dmg

[spare kite]

What's that again

[bleak night]

You know the general playstyle for it, right ?

[silent crow]

deal 50% of atk dmg in an area when u retrieve ammo

[spare kite]

Is not on retrieve but when you leave the skulls on the ground

[neon crown]

I haven’t used the skull at all yet what’s a simple build that works for that weapon and which aspect?

[spare kite]

Is possessed which triggers on picking up the skulls

[silent crow]

zeus special hera attack aspect of medea

[neon crown]

Only the Mel aspect is maxxed since the upgrade costs were kinda free

[silent crow]

for mel skull i like apollo attack + breaker sprint

[bleak night]

For Mel Aspect it's just Apollo or Hera attack and whatever else you need for support or secondary damage

[spare kite]

Just take hera atk or smth and spam atk point blank

[silent crow]

i am a big fan of breaker sprint mel skull

[spare kite]

Also don't take full salvo or whatever is called now

[neon crown]

having to pick up the skills was always kinda a turn off

It was like rail but only three recyclable bullets

[spare kite]

Is basically h1 aphro cast and it doesn't lodge

[silent crow]

how much base dmg is skull special

like 30?

[bleak night]

I think so

[neon crown]

Is Hera the best for %damage boons? (Not counting Aphrodite close up damage)

[silent crow]

so colossus driver makes the special stronger than the atk

[bleak night]

Apollo is better as Epic or Heroic in %

On Common, it's Hera. On Rare, equal usually

Apollo hard scales with rarities on Attack and Special

Hera is 50-80 (+10% per rarity) on Attack, Apollo is 40-100 (+20%)

[spare kite]

Apollo's pom scaling is also better no

[silent crow]

yeah

[bleak night]

Yep, Apollo just scales better but Hitch is funny so Hera ends up being better anyway overall

[neon crown]

personal fav build is daggers (usually Artemis aspect) and scorch attack. Does getting epic/heroic attack matter much?

[bleak night]

On Flame Strike? No

Rarity is fine to get but nothing to strive for since you attack so quickly, don't even need to pom it

[silent crow]

its better to save ur rarify for other hestia boons since those scale better with rarify

i.e. glowing coal, natural gas, pyro technique

[bleak night]

Scorch damage is fixed, so as long as you keep attacking quickly it kinda just never needs the level ups

[neon crown]

What about for freezer burn?

[silent crow]

raritys nice but not needed

[bleak night]

Ig for that you'll need it for quicker stacking, but like it's not really something to grab on Artemis unless you really want it

Synergy isn't really there since it can't crit

[neon crown]

Yeah at this point it’s more for fast omega attack

and cause I have that upgraded more

[bleak night]

I don't use the Omegas unless I wanna parry on that thing ngl lol

[neon crown]

Parry is pretty nice ngl

[bleak night]

If I have Scorch, I'll keep attacking the target rather than charging a single strong hit

[junior trail]

does freezer burn crit?

[neon crown]

Tanks the chronos one hit

[bleak night]

That thing never crit for me even on Antler

I haven't played Freezer Burn in forever, I should try it

[silent crow]

spamming blade oatk really gets you nowhere its really bad 💔💔

[bleak night]

It's okay nowadays with Raki

[junior trail]

hope freezer has like backstab bug just like blast+back burner lol

[bleak night]

Ngl I forget what a lot of Duo boons do nowadays

Most of them are just not as fun as H1 Duos

[silent crow]

a lot of them are just +dmg in some way

[neon crown]

Is judgement any good?

[bleak night]

More of a challenge run thing

[silent crow]

no

[neon crown]

Thought so

[junior trail]

some ppl are hyped for it but eh

[bleak night]

It's always better to just be immediately stronger out of the gate

[neon crown]

Circe/pig keepsake into judgement is kinda funny though

[bleak night]

I haven't touched that thing since I maxed its level

[neon crown]

Yeah feels like there’s better stuff to use

[spare kite]

Mine is still lvk 1 iirc lmfao

[neon crown]

My keepsakes usually go god > god>selene>tooth(i suck)

Should I do anything different?

[bleak night]

Try swapping to Strength from Eternity

Half damage taken means your Armour, Max HP boosts and Healing are double the value, plus you do 25% more damage globally

[neon crown]

Sometimes I go Selene second region and something else for third

[bleak night]

No death defiances and you'll never run Tooth because it destroys the effect, so you learn to play better to account for it

[silent crow]

selene keepsake is an odd choice but i think its good

[bleak night]

Not a hardcore thing either, most people are swapping to Strength from Eternity

[neon crown]

I’ll give it a go ig

[junior trail]

also if you use toula for farming fishes, note that one of her abilities is DD and it counteracts with strength

[neon crown]

Is it worth having both the reroll arcana? Haven’t maxed either yet

[silent crow]

theyre good yes

[junior trail]

reroll is first priority, second is money

[bleak night]

What weap do you use and what Arcana set do you have running ?

[neon crown]

On reroll, can ash/bone stuff reroll into boons and vice versa?

[neon crown]

Gimme a sec lemme check

[sage flame]

artificer arcana can do minor rewards (ash bones psyche nectar) into majors but not the other way around ever

but rerolls stay the same tier of reward

[junior trail]

no, but you can transform them to major find by chance with the artificer

[sage flame]

rerolls are for doors, and can reroll boon choices too

[uneven palm]

explosive ambush would like a word

[neon crown]

Mainly Artemis dagger
Whole top row
Furies titan messenger eternity century lovers fates boatmen strength divinity

[bleak night]

Major: Boons, Hammers, MP Tonicks, Centaur Hearts, Money, Poms

Minor: Ash, Bones, Psyche, Nectar

Can't reroll out of your category

[neon crown]

Cool

[bleak night]

Also Hammers for Major

[sage flame]

and nectar is minor but idk when that starts appearing

[bleak night]

Ah true

[sage flame]

i cant even remember if its an incantation or it just starts showing up at some trigger

[spare kite]

Is picking up like 150 bones iirc

[cursive oyster]

tooth is good on scars 3

[neon crown]

Ehhh you would die in another two hits there anyway so I think it’s better to do something else and not get hit (impossible)

[junior trail]

imagine if they add scars 4 tho, healing actually hurts you

[cursive oyster]

if you enter a region on like 16 health you can click tooth to get a jump up to 101

which is not an insignificant amount of health with strength involved

[magic moss]

yall can i ask of a favor, I have a patch 3 charon clear listed in the sheet under the name Zzz but i cannto find it, could I ask for some assistance

for reference, this is the clear https://drive.google.com/file/d/129Hpudy72lBKDCTIFMXwvh5JWH1b8Nig/view

[bleak night]

ah, him

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message You already had it listed when you used to do your copy pastes

[magic moss]

no ik but where did i get it from

was it from cy's leaderboard? cuz i cant find it posted anywhere in this server

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0rxtpjuZCk

[magic moss]

so prob from cy's leaderboard

[bleak night]

I think he sent it to me directly lol

[neon crown]

What do the poly sheep with the spell circle things around them do

[mint halo]

eris final phase on frenzy 2 is wrecking me

[uneven palm]

That part’s rough. You kinda have to be ready in a blink to run in a circle around her. Or you can stay to the right of the right-hand pillar and she has one landing zone to the right, all the others she’ll have to walk over and get you in sight before firing

Or if you’re using Strength and can get Athena before her, Mental Block can cover you

[mint halo]

@bleak night your axe guide is great! I am trying to learn the omega special - dash tech but it's a bit awkward for me because I have my dash button opposite my special button. What control layout do you use lol

[bleak night]

I moved Dash immediately to the shoulder button the moment I started ngl lol

glad it helped you though, but the button thing is something you'll have to practice

[mint halo]

time to relearn all my controls 😭

[bleak night]

that or you'll have to change your grip just for Charon

[mint halo]

I suuuure wish we could bind multiple keys to an action lol

[icy path]

so i just reached the 2nd stage of chronos, where he like changes the map and instantly died, what was that about?

[merry wagon]

There was a big red "don't stand here" glow thing with a little safe circle of not that, you gotta stand in that circle

[icy path]

oh im dumb 😭

[warm rivet]

How can i evade talos’ shield throw? It has such an undpredictable projectory and if i dash away it just hits off the wall and changes its path to me

[uneven palm]

The angles and number of shields he chucks can make it difficult, but in general don’t dash away. Dash through so you have more distance to react if/when it bounce or boomerangs

[solemn loom]

@violet temple Hey sorry for the ping. Just want to ask if you're still working on the builder.

[violet temple]

not currently bc I've been pretty busy lately but I do plan on updating it eventually

[slender basalt]

so i was bored at work today...and was dreaming about arcana load-outs...would anyone else get use out of this? https://arcana-bba54.web.app/ Its a web-based copy of the arcana selection screen.

[main beacon]

guys im occasionally spawning spirit bubbles, despite not having the poseidon boon to do so?? I have the zeus boon to spawn aether fonts, but once in a while the enemies are shooting out spirit bubbles too!! Anyone know why?

[slender basalt]

do you have the dog familiar, Hecuba?

[main beacon]

yes...is that what the dog doing? o_o

[slender basalt]

yep...he/she? digs 'em up for you

[torn surge]

yes lol

the dog's magic bubbles are usually much bigger

like ~50% bigger

[analog quail]

what vows should i take early

[uneven palm]

Menace, first couple ticks of Scars, first ticks of Time, Shadows. Hubris and Denial are manageable

Just don’t touch Void, Forfeit, Hordes IMO

[sage flame]

id also recommend taking fury earlier on too, just to get used to faster enemies :) but its okay if you take it off to not get run over

[torn surge]

Hordes is very deceptive. It doesn't seem that bad bc it's just more enemies but that means more space that's unsafe and more attacks you have to play around. Not to mention it compounds with frenzy, pain, and other enemy buffs

imo the strongest ones are probably fangs, frenzy, forfeit, hordes

[uneven palm]

Hordes is not quite the worst but it’s up there. I wouldn’t touch it until like 40

[sage flame]

hordes is annoying cause i hate waiting for more waves to spawn

[uneven palm]

Anytime I play Hordes and then turn it off it’s like “oh we’re zoomin”

[rotund nacelle]

Is Breath of Eros supposed to bypass Scars?

[magic moss]

no but it does so

[rotund nacelle]

I originally thought there was supposed to difference between healing and restoring health, the difference being Scars... but it's not consistent at all

[rotund nacelle]

I've been tossing then, thinking it's half as effective as it actually is

[magic moss]

i mean its still a 27 gold 1 time snow queen its still really strong

[mint halo]

Is there a guide on how to use champions/fates/etc rerolls well? I feel like I am not utilizing them well

[magic moss]

no set guide, but you should generally save rerolls for miniboss doors since they can only become god boons. As for the gods themselves or in the boon option, often times unless its a central part of your build its not generally worth fishing for it for more than 3 rerolls at most, often call it quits after you reroll twice (so 3 dice)

[junior trail]

this and preserved hope bypass scars, might be a bug

[uneven palm]

Yeah it’s hard to give super general reroll advice because it’s always like “it depends”. I’d only roll more than twice on like the first boon where I really need that gain or whatever

Warden/miniboss doors are good for fishing for gods or avoiding a god you don’t want. Otherwise I don’t roll doors unless I’m feeling flush. Or like 50F when I need a boon/hammer in the first few chambers

[rotund nacelle]

Really? Preserved Hope is one that actually says it restores 0

[junior trail]

oh wait its fixed for preserved hope now?

lemme see

[rotund nacelle]

I often reroll the first major reward door. I think the game is more likely to reroll any major find into a boon if you have no primary boons

The Vampiric Cataclysm Hammer on Staff also still works with scars

[uneven palm]

Preserved Hope still works through Scars, despite the description

[junior trail]

yeah it still does

[main minnow]

does anyone have tips for how to do 32F for surface? i'm trying with staff because its the weapon im most comfortable with but i feel like im getting nowhere. the furthest i've gotten was maybe halfway through olympus but i usually die halfway through thessaly

[uneven palm]

What’s your vows look like?

[main minnow]

darn i can't send a screenshot. gimme a sec to type it out

2 pain, 1 hordes, 3 grit, 2 menace, 2 debt, 2 void, 2 hubris, shadow, 2 return, 2 wards, 2 fangs, forfeit, denial

[uneven palm]

No timer? That’s a lot of relatively easy heat. And Void is rough for 32

Forfeit is another one most people don’t take until like 45f but I guess it’s not horrible on the surface

[main minnow]

i'm... a pretty slow player

best i can probably do is timer 1

[uneven palm]

Hey that’s one less hordes or grit or Void

[main minnow]

this is true

[uneven palm]

You should probably shoot for timer 2. It’s doable. Timer 3 on the surface is not trivial

[main minnow]

what do you think i should swap out for timer?

[uneven palm]

Void

Don’t take void arcana are too powerful

[main minnow]

okay bet

i was so trying to cheese it by using judgement

[uneven palm]

Scars 2 isn’t as bad as you think. Especially if you use Strength

[junior trail]

the centaur also still works with scars 3 as it increases max/current hp and doesnt count as healing

[main minnow]

strength?

[junior trail]

self healing and pheonix skin also still work

interesting

[uneven palm]

Arcana that does half damage when you don’t have defiances

[main minnow]

ah okay i see. i never use that one

i'll give it a shot! thanks y'all

it took me maybe 3 tries to do 32F underworld so ive really been frustrated 😭

[uneven palm]

Surface is rough. Having all your Arcana so you’re full-strength and can get a proper build will help a lot

[rotund nacelle]

Generally, Arcana are a lot more valuable early game than they are late game. Since % damage bonuses are additive, damage increase from arcana cards have more value before you get damage from boons. Plus, things like rerolls are more important early game to get a build set up faster

[rotund nacelle]

32 Underworld took me less than 10 attempts. 32 Surface afterwards took 125 attempts. It is just that much harder than underworld

[main minnow]

this makes me feel a lot better 💀 thank you everyone for all the tips. i was really just trying to rely on judgement to get arcana since I can mostly make it through the first area fine, but you're right that i def miss them when i'm in thessaly

[uneven palm]

Yeah, Judgement is too unreliable.

[uneven palm]

I can dig up some vods if you wanna see what reasonably fast staff play looks like on the Surface. What aspect do you like?

[rotund nacelle]

Building Zeus on staff is fun. Static Shock, Heaven Flourish, and Storm Ring. For ad clear, just spam spam specials into the crowd and let Static shock do the heavy lifting. For bosses, drop a Storm Ring on them, spam specials and let Storm Ring proc Blitz over and over

[main minnow]

no need to for now, thank you! arcana made a huge difference already, lol