h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

I suggest onion, 3 blood, 3 scars, 5 min timer, Fangs, Shadow and Enemy count, for sure not hard

[lament spoke]

I made it to prom once and then timed out

[bleak night]

yeah ngl I really don't like doing surface runs in high fear rn

[lament spoke]

haven't made it past Eris since. but also I'm on a forced break bc I'm in marseille

yeah I'm just doing it for the statue then it's back to the push for sub 10

[slate trench]

timer 3 sounds brutal

[past salmon]

I'm gonna try some today at some point if you want to vc and do it at the same time
Apparently Olympus enemies have less HP so surely timer will be fine right

[half sigil]

I’d be down for that next week. I’m currently on a work trip but I’ve been trying to complete 50. I’m fairly new so I’m missing some knowledge

I’ve got up to Tartarus a few times and I timed out on chronos once but I time out 90% of the time on erabus

[bleak night]

yeah, I can vc later on for it. I'm still mostly trying not to play a lot for this week so I don't burn out again

[bleak night]

Sure, idm. If you're in the speedrunner discord then we can use the VC there since there's none here

[half sigil]

Im not in the speed runner discord, I started h2 2 weeks ago. If you have the link I’d join

[bleak night]

#self-promotion message

[half sigil]

Thank you

[rugged moon]

Oh rifht i did forget those two

[lament spoke]

my 6f olympus runs are averaging 12.30 or under rn so normally it'd be FINE but. 32f innit

[empty trellis]

whats a good cast for momus

[bleak gale]

Wait does Athena Stalwart Stand replenish every room or region

[spare kite]

room

[ruby veldt]

Has anyone managed a first night victory against Chronos yet?

[silent crow]

yes its a speedrun category

[ruby veldt]

Ah, gamers.

Not just doing it, but seeing who can do it the fastest.

[timber pawn]

Currently the WR is 18m16s if you're curious, and the strategy revolves around using beach ball duo from apollo/poseidon

[lusty heron]

makes sense especially with eris curse

[bleak gale]

Basically stubborn defiance damn

I thought it was per region which made me confused as to why people were hyping it up

Sounds nasty with that one Hades Boon too

[past salmon]

yeah its just stubborn defiance

[steel sequoia]

my first prom video with EOS is still getting likes on tiktok lmao

[fervent narwhal]

Ive done like 1 run with eos in total and i have to many hours already.. idk why but i just dont understand eos

I guess the appeal us that you get 2 omega specials at once

[steel sequoia]

eos is a moros for people who dont like to spam special

[fervent narwhal]

I see, maybe ill try it tomorrow

[steel sequoia]

you can play it like mel or focus on the omega

[wary gull]

Heyo guys, what boons I have to choose to get phoenix skin? All guides I found are outdated

[steel sequoia]

its one of the weapons i like to play, can check here https://www.tiktok.com/@inosukevgc/video/7426809058406960389

[fervent narwhal]

You just dash and attack? No specials?

Maybe thats why ive been feeling so clunky on it

[silent crow]

this is one of the playstyles, specials are also usable

[stuck ether]

Eos? Yeah its either hold down attack forever or omega attack into spam omrga special

[compact nest]

You can look at the book of shadows ingame and see every single requirement for any boon

[past mist]

i hate that interface so much

it was fine in h1, it didn't need this

[steel sequoia]

its a better DPS to just hold attack and time it with special cooldown, origination do the job and tbh any weapon with static shock and support fire is insane.

if you play around the special you lose too many time imo, its the same problem as using omega on staff.

its like a mel with bonus but worse than moros.

[low bear]

@magic moss 50F Mel Staff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDQxytIjc7I&ab_channel=jdeeyu(TekBurstStream)

[tall notch]

I like your voice

[low bear]

what interface?

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good axe builds? I just tried Apollo attack, aphro special, dem cast but I didnt make it so I’m just wondering if anyone knows any other good builds I should try

If that build is what you think is best I’ll just try again then lol

[past mist]

the book of shadows boon interface

it's so clunky even just compared to the h1 version

[low bear]

seems fine to me?

what exactly is wrong with it

[willow phoenix]

Is this mel axe? I think it's fine, you can swap out apollo for hera but it's still good.

[past mist]

this is the H1 one, which can fit 4 boons, offering requirement and tooltip on one screen

this is the H2 one, which can fit 3 boons, and has to clunkily toggle between offering requirements and tooltips

[gray garnet]

I was doing than axe but only bc I wasn’t sure which would be better

[past mist]

basically its fitting much less information on the screen, and making you toggle for information is annoying when it did this fine before

[magic moss]

how many current 50F runners would be interested in joining some community 50F challenge runs?

[past salmon]

me! pick me!

[low bear]

I can barely do 50F as is, challenge runs would kill me

[willow phoenix]

They're pretty samey build wise imo. Apollo might be better on Than because the added reach can make it harder to lose the crit stack

[gray garnet]

Ohh true true alr

I got boreal gust too with arctic gale and frigid spring but Prometheus still got me

[magic moss]

whose that in pfp btw, is that furina or sakuya

[low bear]

I don't know it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me especially when you already generally know the boons, and you don't need the toggle anyway

[low bear]

yeah it's Furina

[magic moss]

yo send me that sauce in dm

[low bear]

sure lemme look for it for a sec

[past mist]

it's just clunky design. also you keep having to use the toggle because the same button that toggles is also the button that opens this screen so you often end up having to swap the toggle back because you swapped it to tooltips

[charred flame]

Do you have to channel the omega cast bonus of glorious disaster or will it trigger from a normal cast + special hit from Charon axe?

Yeah you do 😦

[bleak night]

Yeah it doesn't work properly with it

[glossy rivet]

is there a build for zeus sprinting

does spirit surge have an internal cooldown or does it go wild on zeus sprint

[rugged moon]

its cd is the same as zues sprint iirc

and yes it does go brrrrrr

[low bear]

the build works but is it good? ehhh

[sick fjord]

Am I going crazy or is the Selene Aspect of the Black Cloak some hot garbage, even with investment? Feels like it does no damage.

[flat epoch]

Selene + Poseidon special + Path of stars that autofires a moonbeam everytime you hit w your omegas felt really good for me iirc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740388288774537337/1300103493427662938/image.png?ex=6721997b&is=672047fb&hm=00f0366bb3389ebadc029c0155a54d7462d43cf3fade5b529af6d400d560780c&

+the hex upgrade that applies ur attack boon+blitz Ig

[surreal hazel]

The one that'll bake your noodle is having to get burnt offering

[willow phoenix]

Wait what, I was sure that glorious disaster worked with charon from just normal cast.

[surreal hazel]

sadly not, it's an extra stage on the omega

same with Excess on Total Eclipse, you won't get a glorious disaster there

I honestly think the boon needs a bit of a rework

[willow phoenix]

Probably yeah. It's not worth the time channeling and magick spent most of the time

[surreal hazel]

I just typed up a response in feedback

it's too small, too expensive and too slow to cast for a level of damage you really don't often need

it's not a joke to say that having a braid of atlas benefits your cast damage more than glorious disaster

I mean Danaid Dagger is also an item that is an old Duo (And is busted good early game for just 10 gold)

[iron grail]

do bonuses to 'casts damage' also increase damage from 'storm ring' lightning bolts ?

[surreal hazel]

Yes

"Cast damage" is very poorly defined as to what it does and doesn't affect, and that list of things is frustratingly different to what kinds of cast damage the Aspect of Persephone looks for

Basically if your cast makes numbers in white, it should benefit from cast damage, but somehow storm ring bolts do unless I'm going insane

[iron grail]

ok i'll try that then. Thanks! 🙂

[surreal hazel]

The lightning strikes from it are a different type of bolt compared to Lightning Sprint

as well as the other miscellaneous bolts from various duos

[surreal hazel]

@willow phoenix not sure I agree at all with Tidal ring being bad, it does a couple of things really well

[willow phoenix]

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's bland and uninteresting

[surreal hazel]

Again I disagree, if anything its main problem is its crazy scaling with rarity and poms that really needs to be normalised a bit

Epic tidal ring is like bringing a shotgun to a fight with the romans

but the frontloaded damage is very deliberate so it synergises with Gyser Spout

(And also King Tide and Slippery slope)

the wonky thing is that the splash eminates from Mel, no matter where the binding circle actually forms

[bleak gale]

Do you just use the special for Moros? Or do you keep the omega special up (how many?) before attacking?

[silent crow]

one ospecial at a time

[mint valve]

Is strength active when having no death defiance left or when you haven't had a death defiance at all?

[surreal hazel]

Both

[mint valve]

Cool, thanks!

[surreal hazel]

basically if you would die when you next hit 0hp, strength is active

[mint valve]

Does Moros keepsake count for this?

[surreal hazel]

🤔

one sec

[spare kite]

No

Is not a defiance

[surreal hazel]

ah yes, it's not listed as one in the code

it's a "BlockDeath" trait rather than "LastStand"

[mint valve]

Aight, thanks everyone!

[spare kite]

@grizzled igloo what weapon are you doing? Also what route is this

[grizzled igloo]

I have yet to do both 16 Fear Surface and Underworld

[spare kite]

Wait is this for a testament or the statue

[grizzled igloo]

and I was hoping for a more in general which Vows I should take and what I should avoid

statues

[surreal hazel]

depends on the weapon, and at 16 fear you can still pick and choose ones that don't multiply together

(By multiply I mean things like enemies doing more damage while you heal less)

[spare kite]

Ahhh fair
Timer 2/frenzy 1 (or 2 if you have practice with it)/fangs 1/cost up are relatively free

Then idk, do denial and hubris

[surreal hazel]

Frenzy and Timer are actually complimentary once you get the hang of the speed

[past mist]

max out on: destitution (debt?), forsaking, hubris, and wandering (or whatever it's called now)
grab

[spare kite]

Wait is denial forsaking or onion, I still don't remember the new names

[past mist]

denial is onion i think

[spare kite]

Then don't take that lmfao

[past mist]

forskaing is forskaing

[spare kite]

Oh I could swear it changed names

[past mist]

hmmmm maybe

they changed a bunch of them

the one where future-flor-enermies come down is very free

[spare kite]

Fwiw I'd avoid wandering on surface

[past mist]

ah fair

very free in underworld. bad in overworld

[grizzled igloo]

noted, thanks guys

[spare kite]

Timer 3 is also good if you know what you are doing
Less safe for surface but should be fine

Also I wonder
@surreal hazel do you know if fang perks increase enemies difficulty rating?

[surreal hazel]

Difficulty rating? You mean the costing thing the game uses when deciding what to spawn?

[spare kite]

Yeah

Iirc some perks in h1 were supposed to do that but it didn't work

[surreal hazel]

Not sure, I haven't looked into those scripts

[willow phoenix]

Personally I don't pick frenzy ever, you need to learn the game all over again and if you don't constantly play in high fears I think it's one of the hardest vows. The one that reduces grasp is also really hard.

Timer 1-2 is pretty free, the ones that summons enemies from the next zone and the one that revives enemies are also kinda free. Fangs 1 is free, fangs 2 can be kinda rng but it's still doable most of the time. Hubris, the one that reduces your magick for every rare boon is also easy.

Personally, I prefer doing vows that makes the enemy have more stats rather than having less boons or health. A good build can absolutely crush a run, the enemy having more health or damage won't matter that much if you do. The reduced healing can be manageable with strength, but not 0% healing.

There's still a lot of leeway with how you want to play on 16 and 32 fears imo, you can choose to take it slow, have less boons, and so on. Depends on how you like to play.

[iron grail]

it says Vent timer resets if Heph blast is reapplied before timer occuring. Does that mean you lose your 400 damage if you manage to apply blast consistently 'too fast' ?

[compact nest]

yes

Vent takes a few seconds to go off, and doesn't stack just resets. So if you have a 2 second attack cooldown vent will never apply, or if you have a 6 second cooldown on both attack/special and weave it in every 3 seconds attack>special>attack etc

[pine ridge]

||pain: 1 is easy to take
grit: dangerous! compounds with time, fear, hordes, menace etc. do not recommend at higher fear
wards: weapon-dependent, but borderline free. take
hordes: avoid! at higher fear, normal enemies are way more dangerous than bosses. compounds like grit
menace: very easy to take 2. slows down the first biome a tad but you adjust
return: more annoying than hard. adds a couple seconds to each encounter. might be good to turn on early so you get used to dealing damage while moving around like a madman, though
fangs: take 1 for sure to familiarize yourself with the buffs. 2 is scary and can end runs suddenly with a bad combination... but +3 fear is hard to pass up
scars: always take 2. 50% healing is still plenty
debt: always take 2
shadow: this one is surprisingly brutal, but it's +2 Fear for something situationally avoidable. easier to take for ranged/mobile weapons
forfeit: weapon-dependent. makes the first biome much tricker, and compounds with time 3. otherwise, not so bad. take after fulfilling the all-duos prophecy
time: you probably wanna take 2 straight away to get used to it. 3 is easier on some weapons than others. usually the hard part is clearing the first biome in time. make sure to take chaos gates, shops, and mini-bosses whenever you can to save time
void: woof! I think a couple weapons can handle void2 or 3, like Mel!Axe, but otherwise, this one's brutal. should probably avoid this one
hubris: take 2 every time
denial: take after you've fulfill the all-duos prophecy||

[cursive oyster]

i agree with most of this except for wards, wards are not fun on any weapon

[spare kite]

Idk just click hitch

[pine ridge]

yeah i guess the way I play I either get hitch... an on hit effect... or I put demeter or hestia on cast
but ofc if I was fishing for a specific duo/god for prophecies, that changes things

[cursive oyster]

hitch works i just despise wards either way

[spare kite]

Fair, I'm also like that lmao

[cursive oyster]

oh also forfeit don’t take forfeit

[polar frigate]

I feel like wards is just a tad bit annoying but nothing insane

[spare kite]

Forfeit is forsaking?

[cursive oyster]

forfeit is bitterness right?

denial is forsaking

[spare kite]

Idk that's why I ask lmfao

[pine ridge]

yup, "forfeit" is the new name for "that one that makes the first boon an onion"

[spare kite]

Ty, then yeah onion stinky

[pine ridge]

it's something I used to think was pretty brutal... but usually it's not a big deal. but I'll add a note for time 3. I think that's when it truly matters

[cursive oyster]

grit is easier than you make it out to be

[pine ridge]

at the end of runs without forfeit I almost always end up taking filler boons by the end

[cursive oyster]

delaying the first boon really hurts me

[pine ridge]

one side benefit with forfeit, and it's not REALLY a benefit... I am a BIG fan of the Vial relic

[cursive oyster]

the uhh what?

[spare kite]

Narc's keepsake?

[pine ridge]

yeah sorry misnamed, I meant Narc's

[cursive oyster]

only upside of forfeit is it makes it easier for echo to dupe a hammer if onion hits a miniboss

[pine ridge]

but yeah. the fewer boons you get in the first biome, the easier it is to target a specific boon to be heroic, which usually makes biome 2 a cakewalk and, for one-button weapons, sets you up for the whole run

[cursive oyster]

i just take amulet into oceanus every run

[pine ridge]

on weapons that rely on multiple buttons I'll sometimes start with Gorgon even though it's not quite as good as getting it in Onceanus

[cursive oyster]

i always go god keepsake -> amulet -> demeter/heph/hammer/tooth if i’m low on health and want to jump back up to 100 -> fig leaf

[pine ridge]

fig leaf is insanely good

[cursive oyster]

the less fanged armored tempuses/numbskulls i can deal with the better

ooh i wonder if setting up resets so boon boon boon always offers a second athena boon would be viable

maybe better than evade?

[compact nest]

Can't offer two athena boons, unless bbb is the previous night one

[cursive oyster]

it is

[compact nest]

in which case this is why i should learn names of things

[cursive oyster]

mental block plus divine dash would be funny

wait chat what if i use boon boon boon to yoink the free heroic chasm from the trial of origin

[iron grail]

how many locations are they on the surface before Prom ? I am hesitating to go into a chronos gate while at location 36

[cursive oyster]

about 40

[iron grail]

thanks, gonna avoid it in that case ^^

[tall notch]

Nah do it, nothing wrong with a hardmode

[lavish hare]

So for the Momus aspect, if I have the hammer that makes my omega special have a powershot, do the momus repeats benefit from the powershot?

[cursive oyster]

nope

[lavish hare]

ah well, still not nothing

[paper tapir]

the quest arcana of the ages, does it only count when u go below? or killing prom works?

[fervent narwhal]

Unsure but both count as beating the game.. unless im misremembering the mission

[spare kite]

It specifies chronos no

Or at least something like "she will go down and..."

[paper tapir]

welp rip, it does say "descend" my bad

[compact nest]

even if it was kill the final boss, prom isn't the final surface boss so it wouldn't work there either

[main hatch]

Is the Hook Knives hammer still a thing for the sister blades?

[gray garnet]

No, because now it already happens naturally so I think they replaced it with vampire knives or smth

[main hatch]

Hrm. I guess there's no returning ♎ specials anymore.

Shame. That was my favorite build. The damage I could do was ridiculous.

[polar frigate]

it still works you just don't need to actually get the hammer now

[spare kite]

Omegas also have the hook knives property

Unless you are using pan's homing shots

If you are using pan but don't place your cast they still pierce

[main hatch]

My fully charged Omega specials (on Artemis) do piece enemies, but they don't return anymore.

Regular specials do. So do the specials thrown by the dash attack from that one hammer.

[spare kite]

In my defense I never fully looked at the change , my bad

[main hatch]

But omegas don't return.

No worries. Lot of stuff in those notes.

[compact nest]

Omegas do not have it

They only recently added the piercing part, but do they do NOT return yeah

[spare kite]

yeah I had to look at the change again

[rugged moon]

Pan is on my list for stuff to go play a bunch more

I really enjoyed learning 50f pan with the changes. Felt really smooth gameply loop wise if sadly a little underpowered still

[bleak night]

What changes exactly? The hook special ?

How does it work? You just don't set Cast down ?

[rugged moon]

No you do, it feels amazing on pan now

The piercing by default feels awesome with pans tracking ability

Is just a really nice gameplay flow, its just… still underpowered at 50f

Cast into normal special for crowds, cast into ospecial for big targets, basic attack or basic specials without cast for small split enemies like the laser spinner

There is still some hitches. Like you cant easily using basic special in something if youve left you cast behind to finish a single target but thats a good time to use basic attack if you have like aphro/pos/etc on jt

And that has tripped me up

I had some fun too when i was lesrning with the new danaid daggers from charon. I used that to take out hecate while my build was still devolping

Loved the sorta incentive to really just use the full toolkit in the right ways

[polar prawn]

I like taking Melting Dart with it, IDK if it's actually good especially given the alternatives but i like erasing armor

especially now that it hits twice

[rugged moon]

Melting dart is just a like a tier option anyway if you get it in erebus. It just deletes minibosses.

But yeah i rarely actually use the hook knives part of the change, just the piercing part with pans targeting

Sometimes i would like youd use staff for multi hit on 2 enemies tho

[polar prawn]

i haven't thought about just throwing normal specials in casted crowds since i've been spamming o-specials haha, i should really do that more

i just love seeing the fan of blades spin around and around

[rugged moon]

Yeah, nspecial into crowds just feels awesome now

Especially with hitch/scorch

Sadly scorch hasnt felt good enough tho. It makes you too weak against bosses compared to hera

(At 50f)

[loud moat]

Question, do Poms stay on the active slot?

For example if you Pom up your attack boon +4, then sacrifice it for another gods attack boon, is your attack slot still +4?

[polar prawn]

we were talking about it in the other channel but just so it's answered here, yep

[compact nest]

Sacrificing a boon does keep the pom level yes

If you sacrifice via charon well you get an additional 2 poms on top of that

[proper cedar]

is charon or thanatos better for the axe

[magic moss]

they're both insanely strong, but currently thanatos is slightly better in 50F

below 47, they're both equally as powerful

[proper cedar]

im talking about 8F lol

ok thankssssss

[magic moss]

charon has a far lower skill floor, thanatos has a higher ceiling

[proper cedar]

yup

what build is good for thanatos (surface)

[magic moss]

hera/apollo/aphro attack with sorceress and then you can play spin to win (o-attack) aiming for weed killer as well from dem or just attack focused

[proper cedar]

okkkk

[iron grail]

how is hera strong against bosses ? hitch is best on crowds no ?

[compact nest]

Its weak because hera gets you to bosses faster and healthier compared to scorch

Again the boss itself yeah hitch does basically nothing

[iron grail]

ok thanks

[past salmon]

I disagree! Charon is still the easiest 50F imo

[rugged moon]

The percent is just higher value is also part of it. Its really hard to apply enough scorch stacks to matter against bosses with the special because its less then the attack boons and just slow.

But it just giving you more time against bosses is a part too. In general i think Poseidon is the best boss damage special but weaker against adds because i believe wave only applies once per dagger so doesnt work with the piercing and pan cast multitarget as well

[keen cosmos]

anyone try out Lucid Gain? how is it?

it doesn't look that good to me but idk

Apollo's gain boon

[proper cedar]

works amazing with demeters

bountyfull harvest i think its called

[keen cosmos]

oh yeah the one that makes it follow you?

[proper cedar]

yup

[lament spoke]

local climate iirc

[proper cedar]

yeah sorry

[lament spoke]

no need to apologise lmao all good

[keen cosmos]

ok yeah Lucid Gain is pretty great, atleast with a close up weapon like Xinth

[autumn nymph]

is melinoe black coat good? like it seems just like a decent all around buff

[autumn nymph]

i really like it when im running the candles cuz i can pop it and kinda stay in one spot, results may vary on high fear tho

[keen cosmos]

I'm not sure, I haven't seen how strong the buff is yet but the other two Xinth aspects seem pretty great

[autumn nymph]

it didnt get buffed, its just +20% to attack and sprint speed is what i meant by buff

[keen cosmos]

the buff as in how strong the increase is

idk how strong it is yet I still need adamantine

[autumn nymph]

20% at max rank im pretty sure

[iron grail]

how does incandescent aura work? it says 500% dmg every 0.2 seconds

it does not say for how long, nor 500% of what (i assume mana restored)

also it says surrounding foes ==> can i approach them after it procs ?

[rugged moon]

its an aoe around you that occurs AS you gain mana. it can only tick every .2s

[surreal hazel]

Hrm, Heroic Athena keepsake seems bugged, she only offered common boons!

[surreal hazel]

it's actually quite complicated

[carmine lagoon]

was this on olympus? bc currently her keepsake is bugged there, so u probs got her naturally and keepsake didn't get used up

[surreal hazel]

yes...

exactly what happened

[carmine lagoon]

if you look at the keepsake, it still has the icon for not being used

[surreal hazel]

basically it adds up all of the mana you've regaining into a buffer, every 0.2 seconds it checks how much you've gained since last time it emptied the buffer, if it's less than 5, it does nothing and keeps waiting. If it's more than 5, it empties that buffer and makes an explosion equal to 5x that mana. The size of the explosion also scales too, if it's only using 5 mana, it's 60% of the maximum radius, which happens if it uses 15 or more mana in one tick (And it's a linear between those, so 10 mana is 80% sized etc...).

Mana gains of any kind count, regen, lump sums etc..., but you have to actually gain it, so excess gains because you're maxed out do nothing

basically big lump sum gains lead to bigger kabooms, but are harder to efficiently use when you want

Basically that "needs at least 5 mana" thing is to stop mana regen ticking the boom every 0.2 seconds and being really annoying

[iron grail]

thanks! 🙂 How do you know so much? ^^

[surreal hazel]

Looked at the script

Also bear in mind that 60% radius means only 0.36x of the area covered compared to full size

[main beacon]

coarse grit (While you have at least 6 Earth Boons, you cannot take more damage per hit than the limit.) , fixed gain (You take -10% damage, and restore some Magick whenever you take damage.) and flood control (
After you enter a Location, Prime 30 Magick to reduce any damage you would take.) - how does the damage calculation work? would it do 20 max -10% and then -2 (or more) from flood control?

like 30 damage would do 15 if it works the way i think it does. or maybe it calulcates down from 30, and if its still >20 itll just default to 20?

[rugged moon]

...coarse grit?

and its multiplicative

[main beacon]

coarse grit is the infusion from demeter

[rugged moon]

frosty veneer?

and it applies last, if it is still above 20 it caps it too 20 but if your dr can bring it lower it does

[main beacon]

word thanks

[compact nest]

I am almost positive strength doesn't work with coarse grit and its calculated last

As i did so many strength run with that and its always still given me 20 damage

eg it goes 100 damage / 2 =50 > reduced to 20

not 20 damage / 2 = 10

[rugged moon]

is really confused why calling it a name and effect that doesnt exist
correct. veener is last if your DR can take it below 20 it will

but if it doesnt it still caps

[compact nest]

i think it was called that before when it took 6 earth

[spare kite]

Yeah is the old name

[compact nest]

and if so then i am confused on why i was still taking 20 damage with strength

ill f10 if i can recreate its just a pita to get that boon lmao

[rugged moon]

exactly what you just said

[spare kite]

What attack hit you

[compact nest]

OH you were agreeing with me

[spare kite]

Oh nvm

Air quality also works like that

[rugged moon]

yeah

[compact nest]

that one is kinda obvious though. Can't get a final damage number without doing the calcs

[rugged moon]

i mean it could effect the base before modifications

[compact nest]

can't do less than 30 damage is fine , cause almost everything puts you over that.

Can't take more than 20 you would think makes me take 20 damage so it then gets reduced. But i can understand why its nerfed cause it would be a bit too broken

[rugged moon]

Why? its the same logic. its wether it applies before or after the percents

[magic moss]

coarse grit was what it was called back in patch 3 when it was an earth infusion on demeter but now its water and called frosty veneer. iirc its post mitigation damage that it caps at 20 so if the damage is >20 after strength dr and all other drs then its 20

[compact nest]

Its in how i interprete the effect.

Dealing damage is always last, zeus saying "you can't deal less than 30 damge" doesn't come into effect until you deal the damage. So thats fine.

Strenght says you take half damage, but until you take the damage its all calculations on the backend.

eg until the number is physically on my screen the numbers are irrelevant. If i can only take 20 damage, i would expect that to be halfed to 10, as i take 50% less damage.

I can't take 50 damage, because the boon says i can only take 20.

Partially a matter of clarity, maybe if the 50 damage was greyed out and then had a blue frosty "20" on it showing the boon took effect reducing it further it would be a bit better.

But we already complain about clarity anyway so that would add even more particles.

[rugged moon]

i guess? imo is a kinda weird interpretation. in my mind its effect effect effect ->check is it above/below

[compact nest]

Either way TLDR if i can only take 20 damage, the theoretical 50 damage i would take without the boon doesn't matter and the fact its in the end of the damage calculation isn't visible to the player instantly.

If i take 20 damage from something, i take 10. If i take 20 damage from proms fire wall, i still take 10. There is no visual difference showing me why i took more and can be confusing.

[compact nest]

I agree, but the part of contention is in the text. Regardless of how it works in the code or gameplay there are two things being stated.

1- you take half damage

2- you can only take 20 damage max.

If my max damage is 20, and i only take half damage that should now mean my max damage is 10.

Nothing says 1 needs to happen before 2 or 2 goes before 1, its just a natural leap to say "When damaged take half, and 20 is the damage so 20 should be halfed"

Now balance wise i 100% agree this would be absolutely nuts and they made the right call - just a point of clarity and its not exactly true what its stated

[rugged moon]

i dont get why that would be different for AQ "if your min damage is 30 and you deal double damage your minimum damage is 60"

[compact nest]

Damage is the last check for both things. If something is less than, it can be buffed at that point. If something is more than, it can be lowered.

50x2= 100 which passes the damage check of AQ so no change.

100- reduced to 20 and 20 is now the damage being done, so it should be halfed

at no point did we take 100 damage, we took 20

at no point did we deal less than 30 damage, so no AQ buff

[rugged moon]

youre doing hoops but also this discussion is rather pointless is just semantics on how each of us see it

[stable lichen]

is it just me or were specific core boons a lot easier to get in H1

i deadass rerolled hestia for her attack 4 times in a row and never got it

[spare kite]

does explosive intent work with possessed array

@past salmon do you know

my other options are +10 attack power/+20 special power

[spare kite]

nope

oh nvm it does?

[past salmon]

Idk
Does it lol?

[spare kite]

yeah it works

[trail python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513935111729709080/1301007452841705532/image.png?ex=6722e91c&is=6721979c&hm=65c32f4675f06fdb14ad027f57a35cb7f4748d6bb57aef6da4ed38aab91a2148&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=319 does anyone know how power v. dmg percent compares to each other?

[compact nest]

entirely depends on the weapon which is better

Power is added to your base damage before any % modifiers.

% modifiers are all additive.

[trail python]

im using axe rn with hera attack

[compact nest]

I would almost always go % damage with axe

Base damage is already incredibly high and 20% is hard to pass up on even if its additive with others

If it were like daggers where the base damage is idk like 10 per hit(idk real numbers) it would be a bigger boost

[vestal wigeon]

SURFACE 3RD REGION SPOILERS
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Okay, so I've noticed that when you take damage, you get a split second of hitstun. Normally, this wouldn't be much of an issue, maybe a decent annoyance, but on Olympus, the automotons that use the gatling gun move seem to stunlock you with the first bullet, meaning there's a high chance for you to take the whole attack, often dealing your entire health bar in damage. Whenever the gatling robots arrive, they immediately demand my full attention.

[trail python]

ty for letting me know!

[tall notch]

I could swear patch 5 messed with the chances of seeing core boons. Am I seeing things?

[compact nest]

I do feel like they increased the forcing of it, i wanna say i only ever saw 1 boon get force filled while now it oftentimes forces 2 slots

but i have no idea ultimately.

[half sigil]

Is the « world collider » hammer good for Selene aspect

Since you use O-attack fairly often

[compact nest]

Is that the +100 power one?

Yes its one of the best imo

If its the fire rocket on block one, then no its trash

[deep fog]

How does hestias pyro technique(faster scorch) and air quality interact

[timber pawn]

It's bad actually because the faster scorch is actually just 'bigger damage scorch ticks at the same tick rate' under the hood

[half sigil]

Yea it’s the 100 power one

[deep fog]

Right, did some digging and at base seems to do 10dmg/.125 seconds. Others say 6 times every second but that might've been when it was 40 instead of 80. Pyro technique seems to multiple that 10 so air quality kinda just ignores it eventually

[grizzled igloo]

Always remember when you’re struggling with a run there is nothing aggressively rerolling for Zeus boons can’t solve!

[past mist]

which zeus boon helps me not die from getting hit too much? 😛

[rugged moon]

The ones that kill the enemy faster then they can hit you

[past mist]

i guess his legendary technically counts for that

[low bear]

It's actually static shock

[surreal hazel]

So lulzy thing. Grape juice is like lethality it counts the entire attack. So if you use dagger, torch or coat omega specials after getting it. Each hit is +100 power

[past mist]

nice

anyone have suggestions for what aspect to do 50f on next?

i haven't done a torch aspect in this patch yet, so i guess one of those

[magic moss]

eos is super fun rn

[past salmon]

Do Eos imo

[past mist]

oooh, what should i do with it? anything particularly fun, or just go in and have fun with special spam?

wait, they added a new animation to it!?

[past salmon]

Yeh

[magic moss]

anything really, you could go weed killer with some attack focus, special focus with zeus or hestia, lots of cook

[past mist]

ooooh, i do love a weed killer build...

i assume hera attack is still the core as usual

[past salmon]

It's probs best but I think Eos is pretty versatile actually.
Apollo attack is decent

[past mist]

we'll see! gonna try a few runs before i get tired

[waxen garden]

what's the best cast for charon aspect?

I usually try for lucid gain and heaven flourish but don't really pay attention to the cast since they're all pretty fine

[bleak night]

Arctic Ring

Rapture, Solar and Smolder Ring are good as well

[waxen garden]

because of slow?

[bleak night]

freeze, yeah, it's an extra layer of protection for you to freeze everything as you charge omega special

it slows down guardians and anything else that resists freeze

[waxen garden]

that makes sense

[bleak night]

In general you just want Origination anyway

so Aphro, Hestia and Apollo are good choices

Optimal setup imo is Aphro/Hestia/Apollo cast with Arctic Gale for Origination, then get Apollo Special

Apollo Special is just that much better than the rest, even if it doesn't have a Curse attached to it

[waxen garden]

hmm what about Blitz though?

[bleak night]

also good on Special, yeah

People are 50/50 on Lightning Lance tho

[waxen garden]

doesn't work well with lucid gain

[bleak night]

but imo it's

Special: Apollo > Hera/Zeus/Dem > others
Cast: Dem > Apollo/Hestia/Aphro > Hera > others

Yeah, pretty much

[waxen garden]

I once got exceptional talent on charon and it was ludicrous

[bleak night]

if you haven't tried Apollo Special on that thing yet you probs should

[waxen garden]

cool, I'll try that next time

[bleak night]

it's kinda disgusting to use that thing

the blast radius is like 50% larger than usual, so you effortlessly double blast targets, with a chance to triple blast them off one Omega Special

[waxen garden]

oh wow

that does sound like a lot of fun

[bleak night]

yep

[waxen garden]

I just had an aspect of pan run with king tide + exceptional talent + spiral knives + heroic wave flourish

0 damage prometheus

[bleak night]

Pan got buffed, I should play some once my guide thingie is done

[waxen garden]

oh really, buffed how?

it seems the same to me, IMO the lack of time slowdown from arcana cards is a nerf

[bleak night]

apparently the Hook Knives thing for Omega Special if Cast isn't down

or is that just for Mel and Arty blades? idk at this point lol

[waxen garden]

IIUC the pan aspect is so strong that it doesn't have any of the backstab stuff the other two aspects have

at least the omega special does not

[empty shoal]

I'm aiming for the 32 fear runs, any advice for build/testaments?

[past salmon]

O-Special has baseline piercing not hook across the board
this piercing turns off against enemies inside ur cast when playing pan

[bleak night]

yuck

[willow phoenix]

Seems like a messy solution for the dagger special. Maybe they should just rework pan

Pan is super one dimensional anyway, could benefit from some rework

[low bear]

Triple Earth, Hera attack, dem cast, heph trusty/mint is the go to for most weapons

[past salmon]

bro is on that patch 2 meta still

[low bear]

They're still prolly top 3 gods to go for

[past salmon]

I personally put Zeus above Dem and Heph

also Aphro is super good imo, probs better than heph

[low bear]

I can agree with zeus especially if you have double barriers on, static is amazing

Blitz is also super good but depends on the weapon, storm ring is great too but generally I still prefer dem cast

[sly plaza]

I’m unbelievably biased towards Zeus tbh

Blitz is everything for me. The fact that the non blitz boons are as good as they are like lance, static and storm ring is bonus amazing

[polar frigate]

With aphro and zeus you also get access to wispy willes

If you build around them you can get easily 20+ dodge%

[waxen garden]

what's a good aspect for heph attack/special?

[lusty heron]

something that doesnt rely on one or the other

or you have to heavy invest into poms

[cursive oyster]

its fun on than axe special

[waxen garden]

so more supplemental?

I tried the special with mel torches and got steamrolled in Ephyra

[lusty heron]

yeah cause of the long cooldown

nice chunk of extra damage if you dont rely on it

[waxen garden]

maybe it could work with the skull?

[lusty heron]

and dont need something for origination

on attack for perseph skull sure or special on mel skull

wouldnt put it on medea

[willow phoenix]

Heph most of the time is just supplemental yes.

Heph as a whole has a lot of issues being the main damage dealer, like how vent doesn't actually work when you have low blast cd. It also needs a lot of poms to constantly get blast off. I guess you can make it work without much investment on attack or special but you'll still need another main damage source.

[bleak gale]

When using Medea Skull, which dmg is applied first, Attack or Special(s)? (deciding where to put Zeus)

[timber pawn]

Zeus goes on special for medea

Special applies first and then the attacks should pop it

[iron grail]

when a boon increases 'specials damage' for +x%, does it apply to scorch damage, blitz damage, wave damage and so on ?

[spare kite]

No

If you want to buff flat dmg stuff the buff needs to say "you deal more dmg" or "enemy takes more dmg" (see furies or origination arcanas)

[iron grail]

ok thanks

other question : if a boon says you 'channel omega moves faster', does it take less time for daybreaker from eos aspect to appear (several normal attacks) or does it apply only to the very brief timeframe where the blue circle appears above your head ?

[tall notch]

it takes less time

[hollow dagger]

How you guys playing the torches this patch ? I tried Moros aspect but i can't get used to it, the only success so far i had was going for some kind of special action on Melinoe aspect

[grizzled igloo]

Tbf going Aphrodite on Special with Aspect of Melinoe and running into enemies still works

[vital ledge]

have at least 1 omega special out at all times, hold attack, dash around enemies.
for some reason I do that on all aspects even though eos is probably played differently. works

[hollow dagger]

yeah that's my current plan, just go either Hera or Aphrodite and spam special and omega special depending on the hammers

[willow phoenix]

Try zeus on special and something like hera on attack. Put omega special on and attack enemies. Watch them melt through Moros' insane damage

Moros as an aspect needs an omega special always running to maximize the damage. You're basically always going to be in melee range but you get insane damage

[polar frigate]

If going eros, i would recommend personally hera atk, special can be whoever you prefer to proc duos with and dem cast. With dem cast and apollo special/dem and zeus for their duo + chain lightning for you atk. Eros is pretty versatile with everything so try out whichever you prefer ( tho hera on atk is kind of the best imo )

[summer seal]

For some reason I can't figure out how to avoid just getting stomped on when playing the torches. I can get the builds and damage going, but I'm just too vulnerable and get squished

[willow phoenix]

You can dash mid channel. You can also get safety boons like Heph stuff or freeze

[summer seal]

I'm familiar with the dash, still get squished. It's really more of a me problem and a need to git gud

[hollow dagger]

You also have a limited amount of fingers . Dashing while channeling and then moving , and possibly starting to channel special is just a lot of hand movements that's very unnatural

[low bear]

that's why you remap attack and special to shoulder buttons

I have my special at L1 and attack at R1, my thumb loves me for it

[compact nest]

note to self : don't sell heavy metal at the pool of purging, it deletes all of your armor 😦

I figured i would get to keep the existing armor since other boons work like that lmao

[polar chasm]

Gotta love an alpha wailer with a shield

[gray garnet]

Yeah and then I’d recommend aphro attack, and then you can use their duo and after doing attack powered attack, you can special again without skulls powering it and sprint back to activate the duo and catch the skulls right as they fall and overall it just does tons more damage

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated, backlog has been cleared

[stable lichen]

is there a reason mel stepping in oil flames dies like 10x quicker than zag walking on literal magma

like surely mel also has the fiery feet

[scarlet wren]

been loving judgment arcarna,get the two 3s on the most right+exellence and divinity and youll be as strong as 30 grasp after scylla

[rugged moon]

It obvious ups the variance a liitle but i feel str titan is just better so youre strong early

[polar chasm]

Have you forced yourself to get better at certain weapons? I'm trying to finish my testaments and it's such a slog for some

[silent crow]

for wpns im bad at i like starting with an apollo atk/special to make spacing more lenient

[wild pine]

I'm assuming it's because the magma isn't literally "on fire." Sure, it's gotta be hotter than an oil fire, but gods don't play by physical rules.

@hardy marlin Does starting with Selene's keepsake actually work? I was under the impression that you cannot get a path of stars in the first zone, so the keepsake effect is basically wasted, or you have to hold it into zone 2.

[rugged moon]

If you want a sudo lore reason i came up with randomly: zag has, in part, dominion over the uw due to his lineage so things can effect him less. Meanwhile mel is literally already made weaker by being on the surface (which i think is only place with fire) she weakened the curse but its still there. This logic can also be while surface is tougher at all zones then their uw counterpart. Mel is just weaker there

idk tho

[rugged moon]

You can totally get path in zone one with selene aspect coat

[wild pine]

Oh yeah but with any other weapon you're never offered selene when you already have a hex, right? (I think maybe with the exception of Hermes shrines in Ephyra?)

[rugged moon]

You are? I think there might be a soft limit of one selene per zone as an actual room reward? Unsure. You can also get it from the new shrines the miniboss one and the take no damage one

But you can be offered the path naturally in zones once you have a hex

And im not sure that one per zone limit exists i just dont think ive ever seen it happen otherwise

[hardy marlin]

You can but it's rare, from my own experience

[wild pine]

I meant "never offered selene in ephyra or erebus once you have a hex". I've definitely seen two selene rooms in Oceanus fairly often. And I believe also Thessaly although possibly I'm thinking of a Hermes shrine. But I think I've gotten two selene rooms plus a hermes shrine in Thessaly.

[rugged moon]

Ah, unsure i think i had it happen once from a miniboss shine but yeah generally you only see selene once per zone

The +path effect only works if you pick up a path while its equiped right? Its not future oriented like the bonus +path based on which hex you get? I never actually tested that

[wild pine]

There may be a softcap where once you've had selenes = the number of zones entered you won't see more naturally. Like if you get your hex in Erebus, Oceanus will only offer one path of stars. But if you go into Oceanus with no hex, it may offer the hex and a path of stars.

[rugged moon]

Could be but unlikely i think both are classified as “selene” not seperate

But yeah idk only time ive ever taken the keepsake is zone 2 if i got a really good path option in zone 1 and didnt feel like i needed defensive or as starting selene coat

[vagrant river]

I’m about to use the black coat for the first time in a run; what boons should I go for with em?🤔

[flat epoch]

Poseidon on special is just nutty for damage

[bleak night]

that or Hera

both are equally good options for different reasons

[cursive oyster]

you can get selene and a path in the same reigon paths just never show up in erebus

or ephyra iirc

[hollow stag]

What’s a better second hammer for Medea Skull with Possessed Array hammer?

Rocket Bomb or Sudden Driver? Or is there a better 2nd hammer?

[timber pawn]

Sudden driver is pretty useless on medea

Rocket bomb is great with possessed, destructive array can be good but rocket probably better

Other hammer of interest is collosus driver

[past salmon]

also bolstered

[timber pawn]

Ah yes whoops, tired

[brazen ore]

any tips for aspect of circe? i want to try it out so i can show it off to circe but its not enthralling me

i have a suspicion that nothing will make it good really but yknow

[willow phoenix]

Mirrored thrasher can make it good, but well mirrored thrasher itself is already good lol

[pure temple]

i only ever use mel axe and pan knives, check out my recent god build #h2-victory-boasting

[brazen ore]

👍

[brazen ore]

i will pray for it then

[magic moss]

rapid thrasher with the new sorceress can let you machine gun out omega attacks during serenity duration, and either apollo legendary or mirrored thrasher can let you duplicate it. Thats the best god build i can think of for circe

[rugged moon]

a good selene helps a lot honestly too

total eclipse with tis 4s invuln means you can just safely spam omegas

[brazen ore]

i havent had great success at going for legendaries before but maybe this will be my time! its as good a plan as any and i feel like ive underutilized apollo so far

[brazen ore]

i do sleep on hexes tbh but yea that might help

[pure temple]

to get apollo's legendary you REALLY have to try for it, and you REALLY have to get lucky on it

[rugged moon]

can see what i had on my 50, didnt even get that many boons but i upped their rarities and just crushed

dem is great option. freeze for safety. weed killer for massive damage

#h2-victory-boasting message

[brazen ore]

it's gonna have to be surface since the entire point of this is to show circe her stupid stick lol so i think i better just pick a god and stick with it

[rugged moon]

hera/dem

[brazen ore]

0 fear if that changes things. i was kinda leaning going for hera tho

[rugged moon]

anything good on 50f is good at 0

is just opposite that isnt true

[brazen ore]

i figured, but i also know that like - what melts me at 0 is bosses, 50f needs lots of crowd control yea?

[rugged moon]

eh needs both

this one just kinda melted bosses

and more hera boons would make that even more so, like bloodline. or hera legend

[brazen ore]

the lack of an attack boon so far is not promising lmao

[rugged moon]

oof

[tall notch]

What you need at 50f is largely builds that come online quickly. The challenge is fairly front-loaded for most weapons

[brazen ore]

i see i see

[rugged moon]

part of why i love my silly bridal glow strat

[brazen ore]

man 12 hits is way more hits than i thought itd be

[rugged moon]

If you really want to use the aspect, use special

It multi hits easier

[timber pawn]

Bridal glow is so good right out of erebus now, since you just sell it. I feel like that won't survive to 1.0 but we'll see

[brazen ore]

want to is a stretch lmao

if i dont run across circe in thessaly im gonna weep

oh thank god i found her and she's happy to see her dumb stick

[willow phoenix]

Now I'm curious if Medea comments on her aspect. Last I checked before the Olympus update she didn't say anything.

[brazen ore]

i also havent had her do it, but i feel like i almost never see medea

[brazen ore]

did it - i feel like circe could be pretty decent if it was just like... not 12 hits. 12 is so many hits

[willow phoenix]

Yea 12 is too many. I wish they'd just rework circe though, maybe even momus too. The staff needs more variations in the aspect gameplay, not just omega spam.

[lusty heron]

Keep momus change mel and circe

[magic moss]

To All High Fear Fear Runners, I have a proposal for the first High Fear community challenge. The challenge will not begin until I officially say so, this is just for feedback or any concerns you may have. Even if you have only cleared 50F once or even not at all but still want to participate, feedback would be appreciated. Also, please let me know by reacting to this message if you’re interested in participating. Thanks!

Battle of the Gods
Lets start some competition! This will be a Deity vs Deity competition where the presence of the deity in the clears will determine the winner of the round. This will be an Opt In Competition, and teams will be formed to create a head to head competition. If you do decide to Opt Into the round, I will place you on a team and that team will be assigned 1 of the 2 deities. Your goal as the team is to get as many boons as you can from that deity in a clear as possible. Repeat clears are allowed, there is no aspect restriction, nothing of the sort. This will be done on 48F with the removal of Vow of Denial (or Forsaking), and Void is not allowed to bypass Onion. For the run to count towards the competition, please ping me and say which deity you are representing. I can easily make this a double elimination bracket if requested.

Once again there are no limitations. If you get 5 runs on the same aspect that each have 4 boons from the deity you are representing, then that's 20 points for your team. The teams themselves will also be somewhat balanced since I know we have runners that can get 90 clears in a heartbeat ||cough cough Foolish cough cough||.

[willow phoenix]

Mel staff is the starting weapon though, I don't know what other upgrade other than channel speed would fit the starting weapon.

[lusty heron]

Classic stuff like attack speed tbh i just want something that also incorporates the normal attack and special

Like make channel speed a bit slower but speed up everything

I get the point of the starter weapon encouraging the new system but man 3 omega focussed weapons

[past mist]

what's the most fun staff aspect at 50f?

[daring tangle]

Been having trouble recruiting the two new familiars. I have both of the two initial ones, and they're maxed out. As far as I can tell from searching Reddit, etc., I have already done all the necessary incantations? I have plenty of treats on hand. Is there something else I'm missing? I keep encountering the dog in the fields and still can't recruit as a familiar. Have found the bird once and then never again. What am I missing here? Are the devs just teasing us and they'r enot actually available yet? Am I experiencing some kind of bug or glitch? Is there some ridiculous magic spell that I need to play ten thousand hours to unlock?

[past mist]

the doggo can't be gotten until you have 3 familiars, so it's just 'get lucky and get birb'

after you have 3 familiars you have a conversation with hecate about hecuba

[daring tangle]

WOw, mods got me for naughty words. Okay then. Sounds like a "delightful" (not at all) idea based purely off RNG and designed to keep people in the underworld while they make tweaks to the new level. Clever and annoying.

Appreciate the quick response and heads up though!

[past mist]

mods aren't doing anything, it's an automated bot feature, for reference

[daring tangle]

mods/auto mod...not a huge difference if it has moderation power lol.

[past mist]

there's a difference in the lack of intent and judgement implied in a mod deleting comments manually

[daring tangle]

I mean, either way, the AI or the person is just doing a job. I see no difference. It's still some level of censorship, which I'm not overly fond of, but, their server, their rules, blah blah.

[past mist]

fair enough, and a comfortingly clear-headed perspective on mods taking direct action. from experience people often react a lot more negatively to the impression that someone decided their message was rulebreaking, rather than just an automated system removing keywords

[daring tangle]

I'm a Twitch streamer that has an auto mod set up and an unfortunately insane chat rules list because of people behaving poorly in my chats. I know how it works!

anywyas...off to find the damn bird i guess. What a pain.

[past mist]

valid

on the upside, raki is incredibly cute so you might forget about the frustration of finding the birb once you have him

[daring tangle]

I suppose we shall see. May the RNG ever be in my favor (thought little in the new update has actually been in my favor, so I'm sure this is no exception).

[lusty heron]

@daring tanglewant a tipp ?
do a erebus chaos trial and spam that instead of full runs
gives you more chances
especially if you choose one of the op ones or just do ones you havent

[lusty heron]

i assume momus since the others arent really fun ?
mel is like baby momus
and circe seems universally hated

[wild pine]

Maybe a reverse Circe like "using an omega move empowers your normal attack and special with bonus damage for X seconds"

Personally I enjoy playing Circe. It doesn't feel superpowerful or like the easiest win by any means but it has a fun rhythm.

[willow phoenix]

Ohh that can be interesting

[surreal hazel]

Circe is good for when you don't have a mana boon yet, or the dawg

and potentially very funny if you have incandescent aura

but it needs a QoL change where you can cast anything for free when Serenity is ready so you aren't deadlocked by it

[silent crow]

when you got that dawg in you

[uncut walrus]

the real answer is that nothing is fun at 50f unless you're a medically diagnosed psychopath

[cursive oyster]

trick question staff doesn’t have any aspects

[magic moss]

momus, but mel staff geyser spout with lucid gain lets you cook pretty hard with hexes and the like

[past mist]

alright, might try one of them tomorrow when i'm less tired

[polar frigate]

Do yall have any 50f setups for xinth?

Got to 40f yesterday but i feel like i dunno how to juggle out 10 more

[cursive oyster]

i got mine by lucking into bouncy hera rockets

what aspect are you running?

[polar frigate]

Selene my goat

[cursive oyster]

i think the meta is moon beam start, look for any % attack, ideally sworn or nova, look for ways to spend mana faster for maximum skyfall uptime, and run the death arcana because the omega special charges very quickly so you can alternate

[polar frigate]

Oki ty

[cursive oyster]

don’t quote me on any of this

[polar frigate]

No worries lmao

[past mist]

run the death arcana

• @cursive oyster

[cursive oyster]

i swear its good on selene

[polar frigate]

Also what vows should i take

[surreal hazel]

what a world we live in where the moonbeam is meta

[cursive oyster]

all of them

[past mist]

on 50? everything except void

[cursive oyster]

moonbeam was always meta

[surreal hazel]

hexes eh?

[cursive oyster]

(starting patch 3)

[polar frigate]

Im p sure mynt mentioned it on his guide for it but ill take a look after

[past mist]

plimbo-scrimbly wants everyone to run the death arcana. powerful meta arcana everyone should run, without context nodnods

[cursive oyster]

also decent on mel staff methinks

[polar frigate]

Im kind of hoping the game will be nice enough to give me early hera atk

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/M6nxEcpbkBA?si=xv1-aqXkzGT0T_ji

[worn junco]

wha is the best build for prometeus?

[tall notch]

Selene is the only coat I haven't done 50f though so i can't help too much with it

[magic moss]

i should have a couple of selene vods on the sheet

[polar frigate]

Ty!

[polar frigate]

Yeh i got the build i used normally from one of yours

So ty also lmao

[magic moss]

lmao thats why i made the sheet so glad it helped

[polar frigate]

It made me the selene aspect simp i am now

[magic moss]

[tall notch]

Maybe i need to actually watch the vods as the aspect is just not clicking

[iron grail]

what vows would u use for your first 8 fear run (on the surface) ?

[nova dune]

Time vows are free if you play fast

[lusty heron]

what weapon ?

i feel like for a beginner the second time vow can be pretty hard

[iron grail]

staff

i am not very fast by default

my runs vary between 30min and 40 min on the surface recently but haven't played staff in a while

[rugged moon]

I suggest one time, 2 money, and revenant

Idk if thats 8

[willow phoenix]

If it were me I'd just choose full fangs and shadow + some 1 fear

I don't know if that's exactly the easiest but you need to grind the fangs prophecy anyway and shadows are avoidable

[iron grail]

ok let's try that, thank you

[slate trench]

does engraved pin deactivate strength?

[bleak night]

No, but tbh you kinda don't really wanna go Pin with no dds

[slate trench]

im just thinking vs chronos if i get screwed with one of those things that stop you in place vs his instakill

not sure what would help more atm this build is gonna delete him in a few seconds

[nova dune]

Why not ?

[weak kernel]

is it just me or is descura severely lacking in DPS? I cant even do a 16 fear overworld anymore with it

[steel sequoia]

i dont even know whta descura is

[weak kernel]

staff

[steel sequoia]

oh you cant play omega staff

[weak kernel]

ive tried omega build, attack build... its just so weak...

[slate trench]

also is it just me or does siege frame screw with the positioning on exhaust riser? Seems like after I took seige frame the multiple dash attacks don't really follow me anymore, just kind of stay where they were triggered

[timber pawn]

Specific hammers really help out staff. It's definitely one of the weaker weapons at base though

[steel sequoia]

attack is good, try apollo boon and static shock

[rugged moon]

What boons are you using

[steel sequoia]

also hammers helps a lot

[rugged moon]

Staff has great hammers but its not all that bad

[steel sequoia]

also hearth gain solves all the problems

[weak kernel]

I might have had a bit of a bad luck with hammers but so far neither aphro attack, or hestia attack have worked out. I just run out of time.

[rugged moon]

Hera attack

[slate trench]

i see a lot of staff haters but momus really does a lot of dps if you rorate the 3 omegas with that card that gives crit chance to do that

[rugged moon]

Zues special, dem cast

[weak kernel]

and then momus or circe?

[rugged moon]

A non obvious trick for time concerns is setup your attacks. Taking an extra second to ensure you are hitting 2-3 enemies instead

At 50 in etebus im often dropping ocast to root, then hitting as many as i can while ocast finishes it

Circe is probably the weakest, a good hex helps a ton

[weak kernel]

ill try a momus run with crit arcana

and your build suggestion, lets see if that helps

[rugged moon]

Get mana spending boons like weed killer and bloodline to get hex faster, then use one with invulnerability you can setup for serenity to just dump damage

Good hexes are underrated on staff imo. Makes the omegas more worth it

Phase shift, total eclipse

[magic moss]

NOT ME STAFF IS GOATED

[rugged moon]

🐐

[magic moss]

i will never hate on the staff

[rugged moon]

what will you hate on

[magic moss]

blades and coat

[weak kernel]

nope. I do 30 fear on every weapon without even dying but staff I cant even pass Eris with 3 DF

using omega moves is just pure punishment without the slow

[lusty heron]

then use hecate keepsake

[weak kernel]

yea, ill try that next, i really didnt want to "waste" a keepsake using her

[lusty heron]

is it wasted if it works ?

[weak kernel]

cant believe staff is such a skill issue for me haha

[rugged moon]

its a little more skill intensive but the slow really isnt required. you just have to learn the moments. use cast, use cover. Sorceres 30% is still amazing

Eris turns really slowly while shooting. Dash behind her and you have the moment to cast an omega. Stay close, constantly dash around her, get normal attacks off

[delicate kite]

You can essentially get her stuck on the pillar

If you hug it the right way and have a ranged weapon.

The big shot that breaks pillar is also actually useless? It's mid ranged you can sprint away and then keep both pillars up.

[weak kernel]

nah I need a different fear setup. with hecate it was super easy to get to olympus but 5 mins timers... I dont know how thats supposed to be possible with staff unless something huge happens lol

[polar frigate]

what aspect are you using? Might be easier if you use a different one

[rugged moon]

Timer is really rough on surface. Odd thing to consider but something ive been doing for slower weapons is taking fig into zone one. Its slowest and helps setup your time in zone 2

Other suggestion is what rooms you enter matter

The layouts are set by door and some rooms are bigger then others

You want the small rooms

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AxTDsvftkiIUlJaDqDcgL_L7AWJAZdGzPpZq8-vHxR0/edit?usp=sharing

[weak kernel]

finally

managed to finish it now with omega special build and some lucky hammers

but I had to use silver wheel in every biome lol

[rugged moon]

With practice youll improve. Is a very skill intensive thing and like any crutch the slow is really useful at bridging that gap

Which isnt a bad thing/makes you bad

Glad it worked out regardless

[iron grail]

can you unequip your arcana cards mid run?

[timber pawn]

No

[iron grail]

ok that's what i thought

and also, how does gorgon amulet work? is that instantaneous? will it occur certainly at the end of an encounter where i lose my last death defiance?

will it replace other rewards?

[willow phoenix]

I think it's something like if you have no DD, at every encounter there's a chance that athena spawns

[willow phoenix]

No

[iron grail]

i am at the last surface zone with only one DD left, should i die on purpose early to get athena boon that restores all DD?

[willow phoenix]

Probably yea if you want to gamble. It's practically guaranteed if you go with no DD to a new biome, dunno how it'll go if you lose it mid biome

[iron grail]

i'll try ^^

[willow phoenix]

Athena keepsake was kinda buggy though, it used to not work at all at some biome, dunno how it is now

[iron grail]

at least that will rank up another keepsake than the tooth ^^

and i already got the nightmare from eris fight so let's gamble

[willow phoenix]

You can also just use strength instead of death defiance on arcana if you want to level up the gorgon amulet

[iron grail]

yeah but i need to grind a bit to level it up, never tried it yet

athena never showed up, got beaten by prom at the top. I think it's the first time she does not appear in a surface run. Failed gamble ^^

[willow phoenix]

Oh it's an Olympus run, I think the keepsake is still bugged at Olympus

It was bugged at the fields and olympus, last time I tried it was still bugged at Olympus

[iron grail]

what does the bug exactly? prevent athena from appearing?

[magic moss]

https://www.reddit.com/u/OneHot5521/s/BOZSEnfESh aint no way this guy is still at it lmfao

[willow phoenix]

Athena keepsake usually basically guarantees her appearing, like always. But the keepsake doesn't trigger at all on the fields and on Olympus. You can still get the random athena encounter on Olympus, but the keepsake won't spawn her.

You can try using her keepsake on something like Erebus or Thessaly and usually she'll appear in the first 1-2 encounters

[fervent orbit]

anyone open to discussing a keepsake tier list in DM? I am looking for player feedback on it and welcome different opinions

[past salmon]

#announcements message
It's never not amusing when these messages come out the day after (insert holiday) for me
Happy Halloween to all you people

[light galleon]

how do you guys beat eris with the new axe without hestia's run boon? I just tried and got fully wrecked

[past mist]

staying behind her, mostly

knowing her patterns too. knowing what will make her move

[primal stirrup]

honestly for me axe is the worst weapon
it forces you to get close for a LONG time to get in any good damage, which is usually a death sentence for bosses like promethius and cerberus
this is probably just a major skill issue for me, but i can NOT use it without losing like half my hp

[rugged moon]

Dash strike is your friend, learn the patterns. Prom is still rough but cerb is doable

Unless youre on a time crunch cerb especially has really high downtime moments

[light galleon]

yeah.... I used to rely heavily on blocking with it back then

[polar frigate]

It takes a bit more for timing and stuff but tbh isnt that big once you get used to it

Moreover if you play other meele weapons it gets easier

I would say rn the hardest weapon is either knives ( excluding pan aspect ) and staff

[light galleon]

really? I just can't use the skull neither the dual staffs

they are great until I get to bosses but then they take too much effort to do any damage

[polar frigate]

I would say torches are the easiest

Depending on the aspect actually

But with eros aspect just get hera atk, dem cast and explode everything

[light galleon]

idk... ranged weapons felt much better on Hades 1 for me

the ones here are strange, idk why

[polar frigate]

Skulls aren’t meant to be played at a range actually. Well its a dps loss to play at a range with them

[iron grail]

when using strength arcana and gorgon amulet, what boon are people looking for ? do you try to get it first biome or second one?

[polar frigate]

And torches you can kinda juggle between ranges anyway

[iron grail]

what is the keepsake best order/choices?

currently i am mostly using eternity arcana and going god keepsake ==> gold purse ==> tooth for surface runs

[lusty heron]

depends on your weapon and arcana tbh

[iron grail]

but heard of people going strength and using gorgon / silken sash / fig leaf but don't know the order

what difference does the weapon make ? i feel like its always good to start with a god boon to give a good starting point to your build and i like having money whatever my weapon is

[lusty heron]

selene coat wants to start with selen keepsake for example

[iron grail]

sometime i insert aromatic phial if i lost too much life and/or a boon is common rarity

[lusty heron]

also what fear level ?

[iron grail]

did not even unlock taht one ^^'

Fear 8 atm

melinoe axe

[lusty heron]

some weapons work well with a lot of different boons so i dont use god keepsake there often

[iron grail]

have to beat prometheus

[lusty heron]

what god keepsake are you using ?

[iron grail]

honestly i am not good with the axe. Usually I went with charon aspect, take zeus keepsake and go zeus cast build with lots of poms

that's how i beat chronos the first times, but it does not work so well on the surface

wanted to try something else

[lusty heron]

maybe try demeter cast
for more cc while you charge your special on charon

[iron grail]

heard hera on attack a lot

[lusty heron]

your attack doesnt really matter on charon

[iron grail]

was going to try melinoe aspect also

[lusty heron]

then sure hera attack demeter cast

[iron grail]

then better not go strength+gorgon and stay with eternity card?

[lusty heron]

either can work

how are you at the memory game at prometheus

[iron grail]

50/50 miss one (or none) when he send 5 waves

[lusty heron]

well then you shouldnt go strength

[iron grail]

ok that's for later then ^^

[lusty heron]

what is the fear/vows you have activated ?
and please say what the vows do i dont know the names by heart xDD

[iron grail]

frangs max + shadows + return 1

armor perks max

wardens have shadow servants

some enemies return if i let them repop

[lusty heron]

sooo

do you mean wards with armor perk max ?

[iron grail]

yes

[lusty heron]

nvm i meant the wrong one wards is the blue shields

[iron grail]

ah no i stopped using blue shields

[lusty heron]

good

[iron grail]

especially for the axe ^^

[lusty heron]

for me 1 time is pretty free
denial is kinda fine imo
to reduce fangs

yours can work for sure
what exactly are you struggling with ?

[iron grail]

mostly armored enemies in olympus and prometheus when he spams his fists, flames and minions at the same time. I am just not used enough to his attack patterns. Also Eris often gets a lot of life out of me. I know i just have to stay behind her but sometimes i screw up and she is deadly at that moment

[lusty heron]

welllll the armored enemies is kinda a problem you made yourself

[iron grail]

i have problems when bosses are close to a border of the map becasue i can't get behind easily

[lusty heron]

you can also look into getting hestia sprint for eris

and yeah maybe swap around your vows to go down to fangs 1

[iron grail]

i'll go max 'menace' then (foe from next region) and switch to fangs 1

[lusty heron]

👍 good plan
i also take centaur hearts quite highly

[iron grail]

ok thanks a lot for your tips 🙂

[smoky anchor]

Same I always find it amusing

[waxen garden]

has anyone else encountered weirdness with engraved pin on olympus?

sometimes the effect will activate before all waves of encounters have happened, which is super convenient for me but doesn't seem like how it should work

[silent crow]

i have too

[waxen garden]

I'll F10 next time

[jagged shell]

Shoutout to Echo for doubling my 6 levels on Volcanic Flourish, bringing it to lvl 12 and the blast cooldown to 2 seconds

Chronos.. did not last long

[magic moss]

a thought I had, should I lower the fear requirement to a preset 40F loadout or something but changing every week since we aren’t doing 50 anyways? It gets more participation and can make more builds viable

[feral dune]

is there no image perms in this chat?

[willow phoenix]

You can paste an image somewhere else in discord and copy the link here

[feral dune]

#h2-victory-boasting message very fun build with the possessed array hammer. yes all of the omega attack bonuses apply to the array procs

[surreal hazel]

"Shoutout to Echo". Please use puns responsibly.

[surreal hazel]

#h2-feedback message Discussion point about Coat upgrades

[polar frigate]

Tbh i feel like 50f is better. The jump from 50 and 40 is huge in means of what you have to give up for it. I think its cool having a higher req for the list, that way more people feel couraged to try high fear ( coming from someone who is struggling to beat 50f )

[low bear]

I think if we're doing challenge runs maybe lower fear is better (not necessarily 40), we only really have a dozen or two people who have cleared 50F here I think and I personally feel like I wouldn't be able to do a 50F with imposed challenge rules since I'm not good enough yet to just comfortably clear it

wait my context might be wrong lol, is this for the sheet or just for challenge runs? if for sheets I think keeping it at 50 is fine

[past salmon]

this is for an event fyi

[slate trench]

I think turn off timer 3 and scars 3 and then it would be reasonable

I think that's 45? Or 43 without forsaken or w/e it's called now

[past salmon]

#h2-builds-and-combat message
In reference to this @polar frigate

[past salmon]

there are actually 58 people who have cleared 50F at least once

[polar frigate]

Ah i see i thought it was just for the sheet you had

Well i still enjoy the challenge of reaching it in time for the event

[low bear]

Ah I see but how many there are also currently active and interested in joining

[polar frigate]

How many people have already actually joined the event?

[past salmon]

unsure Mini is managing it

Idk if he has put out a specific thing asking for people to join he is still drafting

[polar frigate]

I see

Well im gonna grind 50f UW today ig

[low bear]

good luck, it's a lotta fun

[polar frigate]

I still need to clear more surface runs too, got to only 32f

[low bear]

oh also I didn't realize Artemis can also make Heph blasts crit, that's some pretty damn good damage

[low bear]

honestly 32 Surface is prolly harder than like 45 UW for me imo

[polar frigate]

It was really funny to me how i cleared 32f UW before like even 20f on surface

Olympus just has so many annoying enemies and prom is just insanely quick

[low bear]

yeah Surface is just hardj

those Olympus enemies are crazy, they make Tart enemies look like babies

[uncut walrus]

dude even thessaly enemies are kicking my teeth in way harder than anyone in tartarus

[carmine lagoon]

Is Divinity even worth it on omega-focused builds with double Hubris on?

(at like 32+ fear)

[spare kite]

I wouldn't go out of my way to turn it off at least

Just grab an extra tonic or two

[carmine lagoon]

But should I actively try turn it on?

[slate trench]

Olympus definitely harder but imo more fun than tart with all those annoying enemies that freeze you in place for so long lol

[carmine lagoon]

Bc it’s so annoying to make rows and columns when doing strength instead of DD’s

[magic moss]

if you’re doing omega focused builds the left most column should be really easy to get active if you take boatman over orig

[carmine lagoon]

tyyy

does primed magic proc huntress?

[magic moss]

nope

[carmine lagoon]

D:

[carmine lagoon]

after 3 days of only surface runs, UW feels like a breeze lmao

the difference is insane

[magic moss]

If you are interested in participating in the high fear challenge, please fill out the google form for me for the sake of gauging interest. There is a question asking what fear level this competition should be held on, so even if you haven't cleared 50F yet but still want to participate then let me know. https://forms.gle/TVbi78rq3KQ2B2xT7

[past heron]

any chart or something for good builds with each weapons ?

[manic onyx]

Does anyone have a good build for aspect of Selene on the surface ? I can’t seem to get the close attacks in

[rugged moon]

selene keepsake, grab scorn and prism. Rotate betwen omegas. Special is Safe, Attack has lovely block value, Cast is good too

Hera/Dem/Pos are my main three

[cobalt charm]

Does Discordant Bell stack with Lion's Fang?
I.E., start a run in ||Erebus||, keep the Bell until ||Tartarus|| where you switch to Fang

[magic moss]

iirc once you change out of bell you lose the effects so no

[velvet sentinel]

From my understanding, you only get the buff from the bell as long as you hold it

[cobalt charm]

Darn.
If they stacked that would be really fun, but Definitely also really broken.
Gotta find another opener item then >.>

[carmine lagoon]

when in doubt, chaos keepsake

[stable lichen]

any tips for dodging eris' shotgun blast

i somehow consistently get damaged more by eris than prometheus because of that

[rugged moon]

Dodge behind her

She turns slowly so you basicly just constantly want to be dodging at her instead of away

[sly plaza]

Someone remind me. How does primed mana work with the huntress again?

Specifically when you over prime your max

[magic moss]

cant activate

huntress counts max mana, so if you prime to 0 then your max mana is 0

[sly plaza]

Figured as much. But never hurts to check 🙏

[cursive oyster]

i have decided death could be fun to use with than axe but idk what i’d drop

[timber pawn]

Lovers

[cursive oyster]

nah i like being able to make mistakes on chronos

also lovers is especially good on than axe to keep mortality

[timber pawn]

I mean in the general meta setup lovers is kinda the only option otherwise you're messing with the left side imo, but ya thats fair

[cursive oyster]

i mean death is a joke either way

except on selene

[carmine lagoon]

and moros? or no

[cursive oyster]

so the vfx is bugged atm, even though the combo symbol shows up for as long as you hold down oattack, death only applies to the first omega attack in the sequence

which is for the better imo

the last thing moros needs is free crit chance in arcana

[magic moss]

death is viable on staff as well especially with sorceress changes but yeah idk what to drop

[tulip dew]

Does anyone got any suggestions for 32 fear on surface? I’ve basically got everything unlocked (only missing aspect is ||Aspect of Nyx for Black Coat||) and have all the keepsakes. I beat the underworld with Moros torches but I’ve kind of been in a rut

[stable lichen]

ah ok so essentially avoid long range combat then

makes sense why i never had this problem while grinding the axe and the knives (and the coat since i was mostly using the attack and sky fall)

only really started having the problems while going ranged hit and run with the casts for persephone skull and momus staff

[rugged moon]

In general thats the sorta trick of all of the bosses bit eris is one of the bosses that punishes not doing it by far the most

[carmine lagoon]

i am furious
my best 50F run so far died to dog rng

the dog wouldnt dig for magick and i died with origination, mental block charon at sirens with +1:30

[magic moss]

????????????????????????????????????? wheres your lucid gain

[woven basalt]

My dream build is still to get island getaway (treat all enemies as nearby for aphro boons) + apro gain (all nearby foes gain weak) + nervous wreck (all weak foes gain +3 statuses). I don't even think it'd be that good, but just putting 4 statuses on every single enemy as they enter is so funny

[magic moss]

no but like fr wheres your lucid gain

[carmine lagoon]

mynt's 53F charon vod gave me the idea to skip lucid gain and rely on dog and go athena in erebus, which was WORKING UNTIL THAT POINT ;-;

boons were arctic ring, sworn flourish and mental block and maybe others so it was good damage and safety as well

if only dog could dig :(
(or this is cope)

[magic moss]

that is so omega cope lucid gain is giga BIS on charon

like lucid gain charon is the single greatest aspect and boon combo in the game and its not even close

[past salmon]

Just do the opposite
Athena in Oceanus (actually don't I think it's bugged atm)

Also don't copy Mynt's cooked strats

[past salmon]

Also dog only digs once per encounter in case you aren't aware

[atomic plaza]

What are the top most powerful aspects rn

[past salmon]

Moros/Charon/Medea ig probably
Not certain tho

[fervent narwhal]

Those 3 seem to be pretty much it

[past salmon]

The only other ones kinda in contention are Than Axe and I suppose Pan at low fear

[fervent narwhal]

I should try charon more, medea i just refuse to touch, did 1 run at it when i started playing and was just over it.. i got flashbacks to beowulf

[past salmon]

It got changes to be smoother

[fervent narwhal]

Still dont like the playstyle, idk what it is

[magic moss]

yeah its still 100% those

i think thanatos has a decent argument over charon or moros now ig since the removal of block made it a lot less safer and huntress/hearth gain interaction

[past salmon]

Moros got new sorceress tho
I think Moros is top 1 atm

[magic moss]

actually yeah hecuba + new sorceress prob moros top1 into medea then charon/thanatos

[timber pawn]

Pan definitely above charon at anyfear

[bleak night]

Pan just has god tier scaling is all

Pretty much the most Feast or Famine aspect I think

[timber pawn]

When the ospec multiplies a flat damage boon by... 16 with spiral knives, ya haha

New sorc really helps out a lot too

[bleak night]

True yeah

Hoping people don't vote in the poll for Blades once I post the Axe guide or I'll have to play Pan to record

[timber pawn]

I've been doing an all aspects sub 8 minutes challenge, and when doing the runs to get a Pan time I started coming around to it

I know high fear is a different thing entirely, but the new base special is nice

[bleak night]

I can use your clips as well dw, just to showcase mechanics

[dense pivot]

does the aspect of medea drop skulls before they explode? had a weird interaction with the full salvo daed hammer move that it would just drop skulls randomly after using the omega attack

[rugged moon]

Ill record for you pan gaming

[timber pawn]

Probably better off with a good Pan players clips than mine :kekw:

[bleak night]

I don't even know what constitutes as a Good Pan play

[rugged moon]

Knife goes brr

[bleak night]

My one 50F Pan run this patch had two screamers in the VC telling me to troll with Silken Sash and get Heavy Metal instead of Static Shock

[rugged moon]

[bleak night]

[rugged moon]

But youd have mana

[bleak night]

I'd have Mana if I went Hestia keepsake lol

[rugged moon]

I have a build idea i wanna try for 50f selene

Hera/pos/apollo. Engagement Ring, Geyser Spout, Lucid Gain

Night instead of death arcana

[magic moss]

so the mel staff build just on selene

[rugged moon]

Yes

Maybe dem as fourth for attack so you can put that on the ferocity hex?

[magic moss]

at that point i would say aphro

get passion rush for the weak application + aphro atk since you're just going to be running around close range anyway

[north granite]

you guys got any thanatos builds?

or builds with the new weapon

kinda struggling to get to the new boss

[dawn cape]

For a easy coat build, go selene aspect with aphrodite attack and just spam the omega special

Omega attack's block makes it incredibly safe against most targets

[north granite]

I'm never escaping the aphrodite allegations

she's just way too useful for most the weapons lmao

[dawn cape]

Doesn't aphro perform a lot worse for any ranged build on account of the attack bonus only being up close?

[north granite]

yeah but most weapons are melee or have a melee attack that's really strong like the Skull so she's just way more convient to have most of the time

[north granite]

thanks by the way

[dawn cape]

I mean, staff aspects all focus on omega moves which have long range, torches are all ranged attacks, and skull attacks without that one "load skulls onto you and ram enemies" aspect are ranged

And also on axe I prefer apollo to aphrodite if you're going attack-focused, the range is worth the tradeoff of a bit lower damage (and of course you don't want to aphrodite the special even with the new uppercut)

[north granite]

True Axe is too risky for me to not have Apollo as an attack

[dawn cape]

I do think that the overall core boon balance is pretty solid, each of them has pretty good use cases

[rugged moon]

aphro is very much not the meta at high fears at least

Hera by far the most used Attack

[dawn cape]

Skilled players actually knowing how to use hitch?

[willow phoenix]

If you don't want to think, go mel coat with poseidon on attack and just dash attack everything lol.

Alternatively, hestia on attack is also nice, helps with getting to new boss too as Hestia legendary is useful there

For special spam you can go with zeus/poseidon/hera on special, nyx coat plays well with special spam too

[magic moss]

hitch is like top1 curse in the game rn for high fear

[sick radish]

is dancing knives or reaper knives better on aspect of Pan?

[magic moss]

remind me what reaper knives do again

[sick radish]

reaper knives does +15 power for special, with bigger hitboxes

[timber pawn]

15 power

Probably reaper I think

[sick radish]

yeah that tracks

[past salmon]

Dancing for 50F probs reaper everywhere else lol

[sick radish]

thanks tho!

[sick radish]

50F? whats that

[past salmon]

50 Fear

[sick radish]

oh lol

[potent vine]

when I fight prometheus he reminds me of those jojo standos

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-ora-jotaro-jojo-jjba-gif-16331943

[uncut walrus]

i feel like aphro core boons should keep the same damage percent, lose the range restriction, and just apply weak, because it really feels like the damage bonus compared to everything else doesnt feel justified even without the range restriction

at least weak has some decent synergies and its a curse for orig

[north granite]

Prometheus hits like a small island wtf

He took 2 death defiance from me in two hits

Also Athena looks really good

Haven't seen Dio yet though

[pine patio]

Do you have vows that add extra damage or was it like his telegraphed attacks? Cuz he does hit hard but the only attack he has that practically one shots is the telegraphed flames

[dawn cape]

Yeah, surface powercreep is a problem

A zone 3 boss should not be out-DPSing the literal final boss of the entire game

Heck, zone 3 shooter automatons out-DPS chronos and just eat half your HP with a gun barrage from offscreen

[north granite]

I had no Vows turned on although it was probably the telegraphed attack that hit me since there was sp much going on in the screen so I didn't notice

[pine patio]

He has two phases where he jumps away and shows the pattern he's going to attack in and you have to memorize and dodge. Those attacks have been one hit kills to me so far

Otherwise he can be very brutal in melee but its survivable if you dodge or back off

[gray garnet]

Anyone got any good black coat builds? Just trying to beat Prometheus with 1 fear and any aspect works

[north granite]

Medea builds anyone? also what hammers to pick I've only used it a few times

[silent crow]

any % attack and blitz special

[north granite]

Yeah I just got done a Hera and Zeus run

[silent crow]

colossus driver & possessed array are probably the best hammers

[north granite]

Kinda rough to use since I can't use the normal attack

which boons for regening mana

I only remember the Hera one

[willow phoenix]

I think they do want the surface to be harder though, but yes chronos does look pathetic in comparison lol

[wild pine]

These days it's honestly super wide open for mana management strategies. If you take the dog familiar or the unseen arcana you may not even need a gain boon. If you take both you almost certainly don't outside very mana hungry builds like apollo legendary omega attack spam.

Gain boons can be divided into the ones that require a large mana pool and the ones that don't. If you have a large pool then Hera is most convenient but Zeus ain't bad, nor high-rarity Apollo. Demeter is fine too on low fear but gets increasingly inconvenient as you pack on enemy speed and numbers.

Medea doesn't really get enough individual hits to make Hestia or Poseidon shine, so with a small mana pool I'd probably look for Aphro.

[carmine lagoon]

D:

[surreal hazel]

Dog also adds 60 max mana, so early game you're still like. 4x mana before running dry than without

Doggo also makes born gain just work without much max mana investment

Not sure about aphro being bad, but flutter strike is a bit low on damage numbers when nova strike is basically better

Flutter flourish needs a bit of normalising, it goes from "eh" to "loldamage" from rarity alone, with the first pom doing a lot too

Glamour gain is pretty fantastic in low mana builds for near free origination and the damage reduction from most threats is absurdly useful

With lsland getaway it's borderline busted but good luck with that on high fear

[half condor]

current optimal torches build?

i cant find a good video for some reason

[bleak night]

which aspect

[cinder palm]

Btw y'all does fire walk reduce prometheus's fire phase dmg to 1?

[half condor]

melinoe

[bleak night]

Hera Attack with Smolder or Arctic Ring is a good start, with either Hera or Hestia MP Regen

for Special, you can use anything to a degree, but Zeus or Dem are pretty good

[north granite]

Artemis build? I wanna use something else other than Aphro

[lucid musk]

Hello! Does anyone know if the duo boon Chain Reaction works with the aspect of Moros torches? In other words, will the special trigger the blast effect from haephestus attacks twice?

[low bear]

HOLY CROW LOL

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1302248613539348511/image.png?ex=67276d08&is=67261b88&hm=abb75f74bb9c3a31bf11b87e9e154a6ac93ffd168f990af9f56cf2399075c74b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2057&height=1157

literally had 1 second to spare

[past salmon]

Not even close

[low bear]

Chronos was charing his insta kill move too so I just had to go in and go ham