h2-builds-and-combat

[dull tartan]

hmmmsound gud,might give it a go 🙂

[vale shard]

The classic, pan

[vital ledge]

I keep that in mind, thanks! looking at your video, you dash away way more often than me. I should give that a try instead of dashing through to avoid the fireballs that follow you or the wave that hit you near the end there.
the problem is really that I just see he does "an attack" and not what it actually is

[sturdy trail]

Decent Momus setup?

[solemn pulsar]

So, i keep getting my asss kicked itno the ground by ||Eris|| and i've only gotten past them ONCE, any ideas for a build against her, i have most but not all arcana unlocked, will use any weaponm or aspect and i am willing to grind for resources if necessary, i just need help on beating them PLEASE

[frigid lance]

Well, soot sprint can delete most of her attacks, if you want a build recommendation. It’s a little inconsistent sometimes though so it’s best to sit behind a pillar. Weapons like the torches or the coat are good at attacking her from behind the pillar so her attacks can’t hit you but you can hit her. Keep in mind that the purple bullet and super super close range shotgun blasts can destroy the pillars.

[dull tartan]

make sur eoyu have a hestia sprin on to negate her damage while shooting at you

[solemn pulsar]

Thank you, I haven't use the torches much since I have a hard time using but I'll try them out!

[dull tartan]

ifyou sprint around her while on a hestia sprint ranged attacks wont hit

and she gets burned

[solemn pulsar]

Oh that's really good, maybe I should equip her keepsake instead of skelly's, I haven't changed his since he gave it to me lmao

[dull tartan]

with with staff on momus, maybe poseidon special and shimmering moonshot

[solemn pulsar]

Any tips for the arcana build?

[dull tartan]

the duo boons from poseidon/hestia are also nice, if you get the one for steam dagame

[solemn pulsar]

Steam dagame?

[dull tartan]

yeah its a duo boon from hestia poseidon

[solemn pulsar]

I have all of them except for ||The lovers, judgements and divinity||

And 28 grasp

Actually 29 I just upgraded it

[dull tartan]

can always change back to skelly's charm next region

get the arcana that'll lett you have 3 death defiance's

combine that aswell with skelly's one later on

[solemn pulsar]

Always have it! Can't play without it lol

[dull tartan]

if you add skelly's keepsake thats +4 yesterday i had a build had me 6 death defiance, dont know how

but couldnt defeat end content 😦

thus far

[solemn pulsar]

||Eris is so damned hard for me omg, wya harder than the final ones imo even if those are hell too||

[sturdy trail]

Just wait until you discover the power of the strength card lol. It’s not unusual that I take strength over the 3 DDs. Health and armor have double the value and you get a free +25% dmg on top of that at max level

[sturdy trail]

You get used to her. Don’t forget you can play behind the pillars at either end of the arena. Only her charged shot will destroy them (it has a purple outline on the ground as she’s preparing to shoot)

[vale shard]

#StrenghtGang

[solemn pulsar]

It does sound good but i am just not good enough at avoiding damage for it to be worth, specially agasint her since she can almost one shot you

[sturdy trail]

Trust me I’m no pro either. But taking half the dmg is very nice. And with the extra dmg you kill things quicker and dead things can’t hit you!

Consider giving it a try sometime just for fun.

[solemn pulsar]

BTW any tips on which to pick as a ||familiar against Eris||

[spare kite]

Frinos ideally

[solemn pulsar]

thaty mf never blocks anything 😭

[severe light]

What is an ideal moros setup?
Wave strike & any special works?

[vale shard]

Saw haelian do heph special and it was bonkers

[silent crow]

wave strike is bad

do any % based attack and zeus special

[severe light]

Ok got it

[willow phoenix]

Frinos is the comfort pick. Hecuba if you need magick, raki for more damage.

[solemn pulsar]

Wait there's more than the frog and cat? (based moomin pfp btw)

[vale shard]

Xd

[maiden siren]

What does new axe special do? I feel like I blocked once with it but couldn't again. Does it still block but only some attacks or... what's up with it in general?

[spare kite]

Is a multi hit, doesn't block

[hollow crypt]

does Charon trigger Glorious Disaster?

[waxen imp]

guys whats a good build for aspect of thanatos??

[willow phoenix]

Yes

[willow phoenix]

Hera attack + dem cast is prob the best.

Any % damage attack boon is also viable

Then just spin to win

[steel sequoia]

my FAQ still up

[half sigil]

Yea I mean relatively speaking, just pointing out that I was still learning the fight

[half sigil]

All the rapid attacks you can just dash away from him, so you don’t have to look at what he does if you know the combo for those. All you really have to pay attention to is the charge attacks to know how to dodge them. But yea even that isn’t super easy cause he’s fast

[iron grail]

playing umbral flames melinoe aspect, what is best between nimble limbs (+15% attack/special/cast speed) and hard target (-40% projectily speed)?

[cursive oyster]

nimble limbs

[edgy anchor]

for lucid gain + aspect of charon, what do i need to combine zeus special with to make it good?

[cursive oyster]

it’s already good on its own but you can never go wrong with adding on double strike or a source of hitch

[edgy anchor]

ive got gigacleaver and static shock currently

on previous attempts wih just zeus special and charon, ive had a rough time with cyclops lol

ugh, took two DD to beat him :'[

[rugged moon]

% is typically better then zues special

[worthy badger]

Whats the little skull appearing next to omega attacks?

[spare kite]

Death arcana - your current move has +15% crit chance

[acoustic peak]

need some suggestions for good builds, currently the best one ive found is spamming special with coat

[amber dagger]

i have tried like 4-5 runs and cant get apollo dem duo boon pretty im starting to feel like it aint real

[worthy badger]

thanks

[amber dagger]

i got it and its mid

[nova dune]

What are your thoughts on aspect of Selene ? It melts bosses, but i find it takes too long to charge during normal rooms

[compact nest]

Probably the best aspect, with the caveat you start with selene keepsake.

Melts bosses, melts normal rooms, charges incredibly fast with omega attack spam(what you should be doing w the weapon anyway etc

Selene keepsake start gives you stacking damage on hit and the choice between Attack boon scaling or 3 beams at once. Former is better for bosses latter for room clearing

Not every path of stars is good though, sometimes you get absolute trash ones but you usually get at least 2/3 of those 3 nodes, never seen one without the attack boon at minimum

[sturdy trail]

Before I write feedback I wanted to ask if anyone can clarify.

Vow of Forfeit

• the first x boon in any region becomes an onion instead.

But it seems like even if you skip the first boon presented to you, the next boon is also an onion if you didnt take the first.

Am i understanding it correctly?

If so, I think they should change it to the first boon taken in any region is an onion.

[magic moss]

it is like that yeah

[marsh patio]

Got a question.
Can rare crop be gotten multiple times in 1 run? Since its not in the boons list on the left, but rather the bar above hp / magicka.

[compact nest]

If you sell it or burn it via hestia before expiration, yes. If you don't, no its considered used and still in your list.

[marsh patio]

Got it thank you. Didnt want to waste my keepsake for a boon i cant get.

[wind kettle]

lol, literally my 3rd boon was a duo boon https://i.imgur.com/4CD6N2h.png

[rugged moon]

Hestia on axe?

[delicate drift]

https://i.imgur.com/pMoz7dA.png
got heavenly splendor then got literally ideal all together right after

[rugged moon]

Nice!

[past mist]

love all together

beautiful boon

[delicate drift]

sometimes it's good, sometimes it's incredible

[rugged moon]

Im really sad my busted splendor run died to fangs rng

[delicate drift]

this is definitely the higher end

[rugged moon]

I had a run with sea star where it doubled both element drops for heavenly splendor, so it gave me a total if +4 to each element

[past mist]

I have generally been kinda annoyed at duos and legendaries in h2 feeling... idk, 'weaker' is inaccurate but less generally-applicably-powerful than both categories felt in h1

[compact nest]

.... those count?

[rugged moon]

Sure do

[spare kite]

Can even double rerolls

[delicate drift]

wait what

[compact nest]

its crazy they specifically coded out doubling eris rewards but not these that literally only appear from narc

[rugged moon]

Basicly every narcissis drops sea star can double

[spare kite]

H1 legendaries were also kinda dodoo tbf

Tho they are worse here

[delicate drift]

wdym

[rugged moon]

One of narcs options is 2 rerolls

[spare kite]

One of narc's offers is 2 rerolls

[delicate drift]

ohh

[compact nest]

the funny thing is that categorically most legs/duos are better in hades 2, its just the ones that are absolutely broken as hell have higher highs in h1

[rugged moon]

Sea star doubles that too

[delicate drift]

right yeah i guess

[spare kite]

Double up is such a funny boon

[compact nest]

there are tons of useless ones in h1 that i avoided back when i played

[spare kite]

I think duos are better here ngl

Legendaries kinda whatever

[spare kite]

The only one I actually miss somewhat is Smair

[past mist]

mmm i don't like that a lot of duos here feel like they can easily just do outright nothing or very little. a lot of duos and legendaries in h1 felt like they had a higher low?

[spare kite]

Nvm remembered every other duo I don't pick

[rugged moon]

Gosh, i wish i got heras legend in my last 50f clear. I had like 10 of every element

[past mist]

what duos do you pick in h2 for reference?

[rugged moon]

Some of the duos in h1 were so good they were run defining

Esp any based around the alternate casts

[compact nest]

Yeah like i said the highs were astronomical in hades 1

hades 2 has averaged a lot out and for the most part that is healthier, but not as fun

[rugged moon]

Meanwhile we get… cherished heirloom… which makes me cry

[spare kite]

Freezer/tropical/steam/zeus-pos (still whatever tho) are my most picked

Oh yeah cherished too

[past mist]

yeah that sounds about right. and cherished only because the gods involved are good picks and so it shows up

[rugged moon]

Heroic tier trinkets should like double in effectiveness

[spare kite]

For h1 is like, smair/mirage/ME
And the odd arty-aphro

And hunting blades

[past mist]

i feel like i run into more situations where i look at a duo in h2 and it feels weaker than the other boons around it than in h1

[rugged moon]

Hunting blades so good

[past mist]

where like, the floor of how much a duo will do for you is just lower. the highs might've been balanced, but the lows just feel much lower

[spare kite]

Oh yeah started to take king ramson more often

Master conductor seems fun but heph duo

[rugged moon]

Heph is underrated imo

[spare kite]

He's fun every once in a while but not what I'm looking for often

Like chain reaction/love handles/sunny disposition was very fun

[compact nest]

wasn't heph like the most rated god pre nerf

[spare kite]

But that was a commitment and a half

[rugged moon]

Two heph boons, not heph

[compact nest]

yeah and those two heph boons made you want him in every run

[rugged moon]

No one took heph core abilities

Thise are what i think were and are underrated

[past salmon]

nah I put Hera Dem Zeus above him
idk trusty and mint are great but they aren't necessary at all and even less so when you have something like arctic ring
Zeus is just goated in general and hitch like exists and is too good to pass up

[compact nest]

anything that requires multiple poms to be good as a core boon can't be good in my eyes.

As coolas getting special +Attack to 2 seconds w heroic rarity and vent sounds its just so much effort and negligible bonuses compared to just picking somone else.

I find it much easier to just like play mel blades and take his special tossing it out every 12 seconds for free 400 damage aoe

[wind kettle]

just having some fun

[spare kite]

Vent is soooo weird vs poms

[wind kettle]

got to tartarus atm with it

[spare kite]

Like why does it work like that

[past salmon]

Vent exists to proc origination

[past mist]

heph attack/special are good picks... on an ability you never use the cast is fine, the gain is weaker glamour gain for manaless builds and only functions as a gain for builds that don't need much magick

[compact nest]

Is the cast fine? I dunno i find thats his most useless boon

[past mist]

it's not good but it's.. fine

[compact nest]

Well, core boon. Maybe new stamp rush is worse

[past salmon]

I think I had 2 50F clears this patch that used fixed as my actual gain
don't question it ok 😭

[past mist]

pfffft

[spare kite]

Stamp rush surely exists

[compact nest]

also i really like the concept of hephs mana gain and hope they never change it. Infact, i want them to buff/nerf it by increasing the DR and removing the mana gain. Make Heph the guy whos mana gain is "screw those spells, be a man and punch them" with no mana regen

[rugged moon]

Anvil is underrated. Damage is good

I used heph gain a few times on my 50s i think?

[past mist]

at least make it more DR than glamour gain 😭

[past salmon]

we don't need more DR 😭

[rugged moon]

Until i get 99% dr its not enough foolish

[past mist]

i'm too bad at dodging 😔

[compact nest]

Until i get to be literally immune to certain attacks below a threshhold, its not enough

Maybe instead of like DR it becomes "you can't take damage below 5"

[past mist]

i keep dodging into chronos spinny attack

[rugged moon]

Str, anvil gain, heph/hera duo, flood control lets go

[spare kite]

New patch
Martial arts now provides DR instead

[past mist]

i see him moving and i dodge towards him to the right of him and hit the circle

[compact nest]

The return of the king - the true afk and revenge build

[spare kite]

Don't forget brave face

Oh is there I'm dumb

Missed it with the legend

[compact nest]

somehow gain apollo infusion just incase you do take damage

[rugged moon]

Nah nah after tht is dodge

[wind kettle]

i timed out in tart tho, not enough dmg alas

[past mist]

😔

[rugged moon]

If i got wispy on my last 50 clear i woulda had like 70% dodge

Sadly no aphro in the pool

[compact nest]

i swear wispy has code that won't let the players dodge get too high and doesn't appear above like 30%

[spare kite]

How much air you had wth

[rugged moon]

9

[compact nest]

I had 11 the other day

[spare kite]

Big dodge

[rugged moon]

I also had epic hetmes 20, messenger 5, and uh… something else i think

Oh, 14 from hot pot heroic

#h2-victory-boasting message

This run was busted. Had frosty too for capped damage taken

[marsh flax]

what is the best boon for aspect of charon and what should i aim for my card set up i dont have the cards that need things from eris or prom

[past mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xsSYQjn8Giab9z8OjhWXWzGDuwNEt3fvTVG3NxYzae0/edit?gid=1834384676#gid=1834384676
the arcana loadout here is still accurate probably, even on this patch. as for most important boon - lucid gain. apollo's gain. it means you can just spam your special

[spare kite]

What arcana needs from eris again

[past mist]

might've been divinity? don't recall

[marsh flax]

thanks

[past mist]

aside from lucid gain, aim for a %damage special, and just.. any good cast that applies a debuff i think?

haven't done much charon

[past salmon]

They changed a lot of the arcana material requirements this patch I think since prom exists now

[spare kite]

I thought they only changed judgement

[clever drum]

They also changed Boatman (I think) to need Adamant for rank 3

[spare kite]

Oh

Nvm ig

[edgy anchor]

giga cleaver or melting shredder for aspect of charon axe?

[cursive oyster]

giga cleaver, the second ospecial comes at a delay, allowing you to explode two casts per ospecial

[tired fulcrum]

Also just does a billion damage

[wind kettle]

ok so i started my 50f attempts. wish me luck

[magic moss]

gl gl

[wind kettle]

i probably shouldn't run Strength for my first tries, but I'm committed. either 50f strength or bust

[cursive oyster]

strength is the way to go trust me

[wind kettle]

running coat as well. I'm committed to full aggression, because I'm too pea brained for strategy

[wind kettle]

the empowered spiny guys room in erebus is kicking my ass

[cursive oyster]

welcome to the club

[sudden inlet]

I am probably bad but I just can't make Hephaestus' offensive boons work lmao

[cursive oyster]

they’re definitely not great

[compact nest]

thats the neat part, they don't(Without heavy pomming)

[cursive oyster]

at least they look pretty

[sudden inlet]

I keep getting him tonight and I'm like "Please no"

[compact nest]

If you can get double epic or higher rarity then focus pomming to get like 2-4 second cooldowns it unironically does do a pretty big chunkof damage

But realistically that aint happening

[cursive oyster]

put him on whatever button you click less often and just accept that without heavy investment you’re getting like 2 blasts a fight

[lament spoke]

simply die to reset the seed

[cursive oyster]

moros special, staff special, blades special, skull special, axe special, charon attack

[lament spoke]

this doesn't help you get better but it's a great solution to mild inconveniences

[compact nest]

Stamp rush is also an absolutely horrible design that they must've rushed to replace the old smithy sprint /emphasize aspect of nyx. So the only arguably good attack boon he had is gone now

like honestly i want to talk to who made that boon and understand their thought process after we already say his primary boons are underwhelming/bad and then they make another one

[cursive oyster]

interestingly all of these buttons prefer zeus

[compact nest]

unless smithy sprint was always a test for aspect of nyx similar to how block on axe tested for Xinth which is possible

[cursive oyster]

stamp rush is forgivable on the basis that you don’t need a good status on sprint to do well

anvil ring looks pretty and that’s about it

[ruby veldt]

I love Strength, its absolutely my way to go unless you want to bring Tula.

[cursive oyster]

you can cut out those last six words and still have a complete sentence

[ruby veldt]

I find them nice when I almost exclusively use my attack/special, as a major boost to the other.

If you're mostly a puncher with the cloak, or don't particularly like the rotating flames on the Twin Flames, they're good for complementing that approach.

[cursive oyster]

blitz is clang if it was good

[vale shard]

He's not that good as a main god, unless you go to pom town, he's more of a support guy, where you slap it on the key you're not using as much for some extra dmg

[stable herald]

Does the empowered special on Persephone's Skull charge up based on cast damage or cast hits? Like would the chip damage from Demeter or Zeus's cast build it up faster than say, Hephaestus's cast?

[cursive oyster]

it is based on damage, the fastest cast to charge it is storm ring because of its absurd dps, though base omega cast charges it quite fast if you have night and you catch multiple enemies in it

[stable herald]

Thanks

[wind kettle]

got to cerberus on 50f

calling it a night

[magic moss]

sheet as been updated

@silent crow your run is up now

[silent crow]

yay

[bleak night]

Did I get pinged

[magic moss]

To every high fear runner out there, go make fun of this guy. He essentially ripped straight from my sheet https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1gcsg8b/hades_2_leaderboard_sheet/

[magic moss]

i pinged you but message got deleted for mass ping xd

[tall notch]

WHAT LMAO

[wise idol]

Yo that’s literally your sheet but worse 😭

[bleak night]

I like how it's copy pasted

[tall notch]

I don't have a reddit. is making an account hard?

[bleak night]

Like, straight up the dude didn't even change how things are worded

[lament spoke]

that's insane

[compact nest]

not really

[magic moss]

WAIT THEY DONT EVEN HAVE THE FAMILIAR DATA LMFAO THEY RIPPED STRAIGHT OFF THE SHEET BUT NOT THE ENTIRE THING XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[compact nest]

they just made that acc within the last day too so you know they knew it was wrong lmaooo

[lament spoke]

god imagine being an incompetent plagiarist. I'd walk into a river and never come out

[compact nest]

honestly at this point just directly link the sheet and claim you are that guy lmfao

[vale shard]

Bro said easy karma

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

https://i.imgur.com/c92r9KV.png looks similar to that post doesn't it

[bleak night]

It's just a bot or what

[compact nest]

either a bot or someone that knew they were plagiarizing and made a new acc

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/0nmjhcIE0Xw hey guys look I cleared 55f, it's my video trust

[patent meadow]

karma bot on reddit usually just do repost of previous popular post so its probably not a bot

[compact nest]

gonna reupload this and post it on reddit

[magic moss]

it had to be an actual person, when they copied the misc stats page they didnt copy over the familiar data so they deliberately removed those rows

[bleak night]

Omg is that you, Mynt? I'm such a fan of your gameplay.

[tall notch]

I love playing with my joycon

[bleak night]

[vale shard]

[compact nest]

[magic moss]

so i published my google sheet to the web since someone had asked for it to have continuously updating leaderboards for their website on speedcord, so my best guess is that they did something similar and are just importing the data directly

[bleak night]

Ah Oshi's thing?

[magic moss]

yup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1299911054431617135/image.png?ex=671eec02&is=671d9a82&hm=9a1223fa63871b3f1292536df7997717c7d46b511300009933fcb1ae0c8094f7& alright yall lets see if it does appear

[bleak night]

Probs just copy pasted and called it a day no

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRI0d_9mp9f0FqMTX7TdiuXCcX9j4I0Wop8Hbd7HVu1O3siPekn1w-Xbo96LEnzgcCBsjjO-d6nKcKZ/pubhtml# this is the published web page, you cant copy from here and i disabled copying from the google sheet directly

[compact nest]

there's no way it directly copies he wouldn't be that lazy. surely he branched it off with his own

[tall notch]

Did you always have copypasting disabled?

[compact nest]

like its 1 day old acc just farming karma SURELY its not that high effort

[magic moss]

yes

[magic moss]

heres the thing it is decently up to date, i recently added like 10 more clears an hour ago so at bare minimum its up to date until an hour ago

[bleak night]

Your fault for making it so enticing to plagiarise tbh lol

[compact nest]

your fault for doing any work at all tbh next time do nothing won't get copied

[past salmon]

Who ghost pinged me

[bleak night]

Someone plagiarised Mini's work

[past salmon]

Lol???

[magic moss]

@past salmon i pinged you but dyno deleted my message for mass mentioning people lmfao

[past salmon]

Guys it was me
I copy pasted it
I'm sorry I'll do better next time 😔

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

Omg foolish that's not cool

:/

[past salmon]

I'm so sorry guys
How do I atone

[magic moss]

i know its not foolish because the way they copied it meant they had to rename things and thats just too much work for foolish to do

[past salmon]

So true

[bleak night]

True

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1299914828357566464/image.png?ex=671eef86&is=671d9e06&hm=a29b4a67d4dbfa5df7e8f294c272ceb15e8fb5f2134a5bfbe3dad90f093d44dc& WAIT LMFAO

[vale shard]

Crazy

[marsh flax]

what is the best atack for aspect of than

[magic moss]

hera or apollo/aphro

[marsh flax]

alr

thanks

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1299917089485885470/image.png?ex=671ef1a1&is=671da021&hm=e8cd2532fd2cd137dda32528c18b36c0237bf34fafeff3d65c032dcd0beefc1e& this plagiarist's post earned Mini a new hater 😔

[magic moss]

bro is lecturing me about what the sheet should be lmao when theres already an entire speedrunning community established

[past salmon]

Bro is discovering the difference between speedrunning and challenge running for the first time

[worthy epoch]

Saying your sheet isnt educative is crazy I’m pretty sure at least half the 50f players arent clearing without info from the sheet, myself included

[tall notch]

The high fear sheet isn't educative for people who aren't doing high fear, Every_Cup1039 is so right

[vale shard]

Is it educational if it's not educating ME? Idk chief

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1299949378730987570/image.png?ex=671f0fb3&is=671dbe33&hm=a4d9b2b3ddb6978e045910bded7152aaf1e896b7ff2c48250bc9b1c4991f3adb& LMFAOOOOOO

[edgy anchor]

which special do you take for charon to pop off like that?

[tired fulcrum]

Hera usually

[edgy anchor]

going surface with a 9 minute timer is pretty tough

im trying to do heat 20 xD

[bleak night]

lmao

[swift belfry]

Wild question, but I haven’t been able to find an answer yet — if you have the vow that reduces the amount of grasp you have access to but also one of the few cards you have activated is the one that activates four additional cards after each guardian… do you get the effects of the additional cards, or are you locked to the ones you started with (assuming they meet the grasp limit imposed by the vow)?

[bleak night]

Five other cards, but yeah you do. 53 Fear runs are basically that, which is fun

[magic moss]

53 Fear runs
Fun

[bleak night]

I actually enjoy them lol

[past salmon]

its basically just 50F but fruity now tbf

[magic moss]

just pointing out the high fear brainrot like you are 1 of maybe 5 people to say that

[bleak night]

[swift belfry]

Mine only does four, RIP 😭 But thank you for confirming!!

[bleak night]

Just needs a lil upgrade dw

[swift belfry]

Game says it’s already fully upgraded

But maybe I just can’t count

[bleak night]

Huh? Judgement has 3 levels no?

[swift belfry]

Yep, mine is maxed (almost all my cards are)

I’ll check again tomorrow, too sleepy

[hollow briar]

I feel like that’s gotta be unintended LOL

[swift belfry]

Prob intentional. You can’t activate it unless you only have three cards active to begin with

[hollow briar]

Well sure, but once it does activate, you now technically have more Grasp active than should be allowed by Void

[swift belfry]

Yup, and it’s a beautiful thing

[bleak night]

It's def intended ye

[swift belfry]

A little treat for people who read tooltips

[past salmon]

Your grasp count doesn't go up tho.
It just activates the cards for free.
Like you can go above 30 grasp with judgement/piggy/Circe this is the same thing

[hollow briar]

Yeah, but like, that just seems like it’s completely circumventing the point of the difficulty of it if you just get Grasp value back. Obviously you don’t get to pick what it activates, but like…

[past salmon]

I have in fact been very upset at the nosedive high fear in general has taken this patch yeah

[hollow briar]

That’s fair, yeah. I’m sure it’s rough looking down on it instead of barely in the thick of it like I am LOL

It’s kinda why I wanna keep not using the new Keepsakes for the 50F runs I’ll do going forward

[past salmon]

It's honestly kinda depressing atm
I beat 55F on my literal 2nd try (and the first one was just a reset that didnt get stubborn) and my reaction to winning was like "ok that was lame"

[hollow briar]

Yeah, absolutely not LOL

At least I’m feeling solid about my attempts, 50 on Eos and Persephone are on the horizon

The latter of which might take some getting used to again, though, since it’s been a hot minute

[bleak night]

150 fear when

[past salmon]

I did another Eos before
Ballin aspect atm I'm loving it

[past salmon]

Give it to me SGG and my life is yours

[hollow briar]

It’s so fun, yeah. I just need to get better at it with the timer and then I’ll be unstoppable (also actually taking a consistent Keepsake instead of the roulette wheel again)

[bleak night]

gaming

[hollow briar]

But it’s so fun to just wing it, I dunno

Ah well. I’ll get to attempts here in a sec

[hollow briar]

Every community-made Vow is added to the Steam Workshop. Build your own Oath

[bleak night]

Vow of Binding

limit the amount of dashes you can do per region

[hollow briar]

Oh hell yeah

[magic moss]

vow of staff, you can only play staff

[hollow briar]

Regular Casts use Mana, permanently remove a God from your pool at the end of each Region, your Aspect loses one level per Region, the list goes on

[hollow briar]

The horror!

[jovial cove]

environment hazards do DOUBLE damage 😱

[tulip sonnet]

the gorgon amulet is such a cruel mistress when you have one dd left from eris.

[paper tapir]

does protective coating work with the spider keepsake? the one where if ur armor is removed completely u get impervious for 8 seconds

[frigid lance]

well, the boon does say the first time your armour gets removed, so it probably doesn't work how you think

[paper tapir]

😔 welp, kinda expected it but would be funny if it did work

[vale shard]

Wouldnt it

[dreamy cedar]

Does Toula's death defiance break Strength arcana card? (no DD, bonus to damage)?

wondering, since the icon for her DD is different from standard DD icon

[hollow briar]

Yeah, it factors every kind of DD

[dreamy cedar]

uggggghh.. so i need to die, get revived with 20 hp, to make it work 😄 damn it.

[vale shard]

Could simply, bring another pet

[iron grail]

I am trying non-cast builds and can't get success with any of them. I just tried zeus special on umbral flames and can't even kill the cyclops while it was so easy when just spamming zeus cast then running away. Damage are just too slow while you have to stay close to your opponent at all time enduring his attacks. Even groups of mobs get a lot of hits on me with no reason because they don't die fast enough, even with 3 or 4 Omega specials orbiting on them for several seconds. What am I doing wrong?

[iron grail]

should I farm grasp of arcana cards? currently at 25 grasp and not a lot of cards are well upgraded. Again, Zeus cast melts almost everything securely whatever the way I build it while any other builds feel weak by comparison...

[edgy anchor]

is there an objective "best/strongest" build in the game right now? like for heat 20

[bleak night]

like, trying to effortlessly win ?

[edgy anchor]

maybe something that even bad players could easily win with lol, idk about effortless because id still need to make an effort xD

[bleak night]

What weapon are we tryna do the 20 on ?

[edgy anchor]

ive been using aspect of charon with lucid gain

at first i was using heph on my special, then zeus, now ive settled on hera lol

[bleak night]

You can effortlessly dismantle a 20F run with Than Axe with Sworn Strike and Arctic Ring + defensive boons from Heph tbh

Zeus can also be a god choice for Static Shock if you think you need a lil more damage

Charon's nice as well, but it should be a little less intuitive with no more blocking

[edgy anchor]

just got carried to victory by sun worshiper lol

[bleak night]

Your minions vs Chronos minions

[dim flame]

chat bloodthirst keeps giving me the skull, anyone got any neat builds for the weapon the game is so adamant on getting me to use?

[bleak night]

Play Medea, it's fun

You know how it works mechanically or not quite ?

[dim flame]

more or less

[bleak night]

Dem Cast with Blitz on Special, your choice of Apollo/Aphro/Hera on Attack

[dim flame]

i havent touched medea, let alone the skull, much because i find that whenever i play something that wants me stay close to enemies i end up getting blitzed

[dim flame]

alright, ill give it a go

[bleak night]

If you don't enjoy it and wanna end the run early, I can teach you some Persephone

[silent crow]

you can also play mel skulls and click the attack button a bunch of times

[dim flame]

mel skull gets kinda boring for me quickly, as funny as watching an enemy explode with aphrodite on attack instantly is

[sly plaza]

OK so what’s the nitty gritty of the Athena keepsake? I need to actually level this thing

[silent crow]

yeah thats fair

[bleak night]

Nitty gritty?

[sly plaza]

Yeah like is it no death defiances or do I need to have started them and spent them?

[silent crow]

either one

[bleak night]

No dds, doesn't matter if it's because they're spent or you never had them.

[sly plaza]

OK it’s much easier to work with then

Strength build it is

[bleak night]

She's perfect for both Strength and Judgment runs

[sly plaza]

I might genuinely have her be a mainstay for my runs once I level her tbh. Her boons are quite nice

[bleak night]

Remember that the rank 4 keepsake is bugged rn tho

Gives common instead of Heroic

[sly plaza]

Aaaaaah

Yeah thanks for the heads up. You’ve saved me a lot of potential grief

[bleak night]

If you start runs with her keepsake anyway it should never be a problem

[dim flame]

got unlucky with my boons, took apollo for my attack but immediately wish id taken aphro instead lmao so ill try again with that

good old surface runs making me hate everything

[bleak night]

Oh, you're running up

[dim flame]

oh and the staff, the game loves trying to give me grave thirst on the skull and staff

[bleak night]

Everything up there hurts ye

Do you need the metacurrency for something ?

[dim flame]

im just trying to make something fun out of the weapon the games giving me grave thirst on, blitz is mostly the meta right now right?

[bleak night]

For which?

[dim flame]

i dont know lmao, i just remembered glancing here not long ago and seeing a handful of people saying blitz is good at the moment

[bleak night]

Ah, for Coat missiles probs

You can fire while attacking

[dim flame]

you dont say

whenever i play coat i just run haphaestus on attack and hestia on somethign else, thats usually fun enough for me

oh wow thats something

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's not something you realize unless someone tells you or you accidentally do it yourself

I like to spam buttons the moment I get my hands on something new, so I managed to find it out quickly

[dim flame]

very nice

im going to do a momus run with zues apollo duo, that was very silly last time i played it

[bleak night]

I forgot what their duo did lol

[dim flame]

Glorious Disaster
you can channel +30 mana into your omega cast to repeatedly strike foes with lightning bolts for 20 damage ever 0.13 seconds

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah I don't think I've used that

[steel sequoia]

ugh Mynt sayin medea is fun hurts

[bleak night]

[willow phoenix]

Does momus work with glorious disaster? Iirc it doesn't work with prominence flare right?

[dim flame]

medea is neat but it just makes me think of i think its hera and beowulf from the first game and how much fun popping an ares cast in someones face is

[sly plaza]

Flood flare my beloved

[dim flame]

probably not but ill hopefully find out soon

[dim flame]

one day ill go back and get artemis legendary and all three ares duos for peak goofiness

[willow phoenix]

The insane channel speed makes me only touch glorious disaster with charon tbh lol. Otherwise you just stand there forever. Maybe mel staff might make it better

[dim flame]

ive never tried charon

whenever i play something other then thanatos i just end up thinking "man i wish i had that extra attack speed"

[willow phoenix]

I mean, you rarely if ever attack with charon

[dim flame]

literally all my nightmares are on prometheus right now so my current goal is beating my head against a wall to upgrade the rest of my aspects

[sly plaza]

Could always grind for bones if you really don’t want to deal with him

[lusty heron]

then do fish rod toula runs to chronos maximising gold

sometimes you can buy nightmare from the last shop
and for 5 charon "cards" you can send the delivery for 2 nightmare in 100 encounters

• every 1k bones you can buy 1 nightmare from bone shop

[sly plaza]

Yeah it’s honestly less work than it seems

An aspect is only 7 nightmare to fully upgrade so just stick to one that you really like to grind with

[lusty heron]

also levels your keepsakes on the side and helps with prophecies

[bleak night]

willing to bet the upgrade reqs for hidden aspects become steeper

[lusty heron]

did they say if we get 1 or 2 more aspects each weapon ?

[dim flame]

well it definetely doesent stack with momus, but ive got the boon now so im still going to turn olypmus into a lightshow or die trying

[sudden inlet]

Medea is probably the most fun Revaal aspect because it plays so radically different from the other two

[loud terrace]

The black coat with the right upgrades to melts everything.

[bleak night]

there's space for one more, I highly doubt it'll be 5 aspects per weapon ngl

[sudden inlet]

Black Coat with Hestia attack and I think it’s Rising Exhaust or w/e the 3 additional hits on dash strike is called melts rooms and bosses

Stacked up like 2500 scorch easily on Polyphemus last night with it just dashing around like a madwoman

[bleak night]

did yall use the guide we put up for the Coat by any chance?

[lusty heron]

do you have a doc or something were you compile your guides ?

[loud terrace]

I just beat promethium in sub 20 mins it.

[sudden inlet]

No because I screw around on low fear/0 fear since I’m trying to get my Melinoë aspect to rank 5

[loud terrace]

Where's this guide you speak of

[bleak night]

Oh, it was just a one-off thing for a new weapon on reddit, but we are making new guides for the other 5 weaps soon

[bleak night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1gby4ht/a_guide_on_xinth_the_black_coat/

[loud terrace]

Thanks

[sly plaza]

Ayo yall already made one??

Just clicked the link 🙏

[bleak night]

Oops, yeah. We're in the process of making way better ones as well

[dim flame]

well i definetely didnt turn olympus into the sun but i definetely hate charybdis even more, and the games giving me a grave thirst other then skull or staff which is fun

[sudden inlet]

I hate Charybdis so much it’s unreal lmao, every time its door shows up with the pact for increased speed it’s like “Oh joy”

[lament spoke]

charybdis just takes so much longer than any other miniboss

it took me so long to beat it first time that I thought it was the end of the region 😭😭 I came out on to more boats and was so damn disappointed

[dim flame]

i was amazed the first time i kill charybdis and realised it wasnt a boss lmao

[sudden inlet]

I wish they would add another mini-boss to Thessaly so Charybdis can go and stay go

[lament spoke]

also I wish it didn't take like 800 years

[sudden inlet]

Actual run killing mini boss if you have the time crunch pact on too because of how stupidly long it takes

[dim flame]

and then you go from charybdis to eris and its just

[lament spoke]

it's a bit of a run ender on 5 minute timer just because you have to wait for the bullets

I'd rather fight eris

[sudden inlet]

Eris can be pretty annoying as well but that’s because her shotgun spread hurts

[dim flame]

eris only annoys me because whenever i get to her ive usually been beaten so badly by everything else that i just have no chance

chat should i play melinoe or pan knives

[lament spoke]

neither. artemis

[sudden inlet]

Which one do you find more fun is the better question

[lament spoke]

<- biased I love art blades

[dim flame]

i dont have artemis upgraded otherwise i absolutely would

[lament spoke]

oh so true

[sudden inlet]

I don’t enjoy the axe now that they changed the special I miss my block

[lament spoke]

I think they were my first rank 5 aspect lmaooo

[sudden inlet]

I think my first rank 5 was Mel staff because it’s basically old reliable at this point

Circe staff is just ??? tier now

[dim flame]

neither really, but i think ill play melinoe just because i usually play pan

[sudden inlet]

Pan doesn’t jive with me because it’s basically reliant on your casts and homing specials

Which made it great for early patch speed running

[dim flame]

circe is cool but it never feels as good as "+100% omega damage" looks on paper

[dim flame]

chiron aspect 2.0 my beloved

[solar hazel]

I still need to figure out my go to aspects

[lament spoke]

yeah I do not jive with pan but i haven't tried it with new sorc yet

[solar hazel]

but i really like mel sister blades

[willow phoenix]

I find mel daggers weirdly effective, like even in runs with bad boons somehow it pulled through.

[sudden inlet]

I miss Chiron with Dionysus

[willow phoenix]

I guess backstab damage is just good in general

[dim flame]

i miss dionysus

i love hestia but it just doesent feel the same, hell duo boons just feel a whole lot worse in this game to me

[solar hazel]

we have dionysus at home (hestia)

[dim flame]

its gotten better with updates though

[sudden inlet]

Usually don’t go for duo boons, THANKS AUTOFILL

[lament spoke]

heh

[solar hazel]

i saw that

[lament spoke]

I mean they tend to come in pairs

[sudden inlet]

Just imagine Mel stuffing her tunic with two boon orbs

[solar hazel]

borbs

[sudden inlet]

New meta build to survive Eris

[lament spoke]

borbs

[lament spoke]

classic honeypot

[dim flame]

as it turns out eris is not the one padding her chest

[sudden inlet]

Also Athena without the DD Arcana and Strength is cracked if you’re doing a squeaky bum hole type run

[solar hazel]

hey what's a good boon for the coat?

[sudden inlet]

Depends on the aspect

[solar hazel]

let's say mel

[sudden inlet]

Apollo, Aphro, Hera on attack

Poseidon or Hestia for cheeky dash build with the hammer that gives you three additional hits

[solar hazel]

thanks ❤️

[sly plaza]

I’d say it’s already pretty good so far as like how concise it is with the information you had on hand

Given how quickly it was put out

[sudden inlet]

Also this was just posted Echo

[solar hazel]

❤️

[sudden inlet]

I know I need to use the Engraved Pin more but using that keepsake feels so high risk/reward

[steel sequoia]

pin is busted, 10s of free dmg

[sudden inlet]

Don’t even used Blackened Fleece especially after a run where it made Poly’s sheep attack on sight it felt like 💀

[dim flame]

god dam i hate charybdis so much, thanks for taking the rest of my lives

actually hes probably just going to straight out kill me

very barely made it out

[bleak gale]

Does Thanatos Axe crit affects Hephaestus clang crit chance?

[spare kite]

No

Is in specific for your Omegas, blasts are an extra effect

You want raki/arty's pressure point or death warrant (I think that's the name)/white antler

The crit chance node for the time slow hex also works

[bleak gale]

So for Omega Cast it only affects the Hands thingy too at the end?

[spare kite]

Afaik yeah

[bleak gale]

What about Apollo Omega Cast tho

[compact nest]

omega cast is specifically the big single AOE at the end, nothing else.

[spare kite]

Flare is a post O.cast thing

[compact nest]

Doing an omega cast causes prom flare to happe nbut its not an omega cast

[spare kite]

Iirc when zeus cast worked only on O.cast it used to work with Than

[gilded kernel]

i'm new to the update, whats the best build for nyx coat?

[bleak night]

Base aspect?

[sudden inlet]

Nyx aspect I’d presume

[bleak night]

Oh whoops I didn't read again

Nyx is probs just Hera missiles and Aphro attack or something

[sudden inlet]

Aka punches for the punch God, knuckledusters for the knuckleduster throne

[bleak night]

Or Zeus missiles and Aphro/Hera attack

[sudden inlet]

Feel like the one person who doesn’t like Aphro attack boons lol

They’re great on paper but actually using them leads to silly gameplay decisions

[gilded kernel]

wouldn't poseidon be really good for it's special because of all the missles

[sudden inlet]

Not really unless you heavily invest in it. Problem with Poseidon special is that if you’re using O. special certain bosses can make the missiles act funny if they warp/fly away

[rose turtle]

does anyone know if the furies arcana card (you deal +X% dmg to foes in your casts) applies to cast boons that deal damage, such as zeus' cast boon that strikes one foe at a time with thunderbolts?

[gilded kernel]

that's kinda what I always run lol, i really like poseidon on everything

[sudden inlet]

Eris is especially infamous for that

[rose turtle]

sorry for the interruption btw lol

[sudden inlet]

Almost haven’t had a successful run ever with Poseidon past the beach ball dash boon so take what I say with a massive grain of salt lol, he’s great for stuff like Staff but counterintuitive for the Black Coat or other close range weapons like the daggers ( not Pan aspect ) or axe

Pan aspect gets hard carried by all the daggers you throw with O special and Poseidon special

[spare kite]

Should work yeah

[sudden inlet]

Probably best single target missile specials are either Apollo or Zeus, with Poseidon maybe coming in third. Zeus is especially great if you run Origination and something like Aphro’s Gain since you constantly proc the additional damage

Otherwise Hera special on Xinth is also busted because Hitch is just broken and it’s a small wonder SGG hasn’t nerfed it into the ground for AoE builds

[wind kettle]

got to Tartarus on 50f strength build

[gilded kernel]

yeah, I see know, it's really good for dealing with a lot of enemies, wonder what I can do to make it also really good for single target? ( Prometheus is so annoying to deal with )

[sudden inlet]

Prometheus is mostly just use Strength or Knuckle Bones and pray lol

[timber pawn]

Zeus attack and romantic spark

[tall notch]

I dig pos special on coat. Big damage 🙂 worked on my nyx clear

[steel sequoia]

did they changed something on Pos? doesnt like like the worst god

[timber pawn]

No it's just flat damage and the coat attacks and special hit for low numbers very fast

Which goes well with flat damage

[steel sequoia]

i meant overall

[silent crow]

ig he isnt as bad now that he has a niche on xinth

& water fitness is slightly more desireable for strength runs

but he isnt good either...

[tall notch]

Pos wasn't changed, but it's what others said about flat damage fitting xinth and also new strength (actually global now!) is good with all types of flat damage

[jovial charm]

Support fire on ||Xinth|| is broken

[steel sequoia]

still bad on eos right?

[vital torrent]

Does the siege shredder hammer affect the omega special of the axe too?

[steel sequoia]

support fire is one of the best suport boons imo

[tall notch]

Yeah I wouldn't touch him on eos unless he's forced on me

[cursive oyster]

man i almost won a pan 50 actually using the aspect but i got stunlocked by a vacuum into a punchy guy in fields and then got scammed by fig leaf and fangs in tart

[iron grail]

if you inflict blitz to one foe then inflict him with 1200 damage from another damage source (in less than 3sec), does it apply the blitz damage more than once? my question holds if the damage is done in one shot or with several little ones.

[spare kite]

Just one blitz proc

[iron grail]

ok thanks 🙂

[rugged moon]

Blitz is consumed upon procing

[polar chasm]

Is there any way to avoid getting hit by the eagle? I just can't focus on dodging enemies and them going up the mountain

[half sigil]

On the fight or in the rooms?

[spare kite]

If it appears mid room just hide behind a wall and stare at it

[half sigil]

On the way to the fight you can go behind cover.
During the fight it’s just timing

[polar chasm]

Ah ok, I'll just hide from it then, thanks

Seems to knock out so much health still even if I understand the other enemies

[half sigil]

If you can’t go behind cover, before he attacks he tends to repositions.
So he dash sideways, attack. Dash, attack etc

He does the same during the actual fight

[ashen vortex]

aotos in prometheus always does the same moves in the same squence I'm pretty sure

so you just gotta get used to it

[half sigil]

Yea and the bird can only appear during the his aoe attacks. so it’s mostly chill

[willow phoenix]

The vacuum guy is actually so annoying. If you trigger one of them you actually have to kill them otherwise they just suck you from across the map

[cursive heron]

Yeah the infinite range scuck is crazy

[swift belfry]

@bleak night We were both right now that I remembered to check 😂 I am indeed only getting four, but my card does need one more upgrade. I think I just didn’t have the right materials so it kept telling me I couldn’t upgrade it… RIP

[steep jungle]

How can I upgrade animals? There is no option to give delights

[fervent narwhal]

you need a new incantation from hecate

[polar chasm]

Any idea why taking a duo boon activates the vow of hubris? I never thought they had rarity in the common-heroic sense

[fervent narwhal]

they have their own rarity, same with legendary

[past mist]

has anyone got a clue yet how that incantation is unlocked?

got an acquaintance who can't seem to unlock it

[fervent narwhal]

i got it day 1 so i didnt really think to much about it but my file was at 100%.. just talk with hecate i guess

[past mist]

yeah same :/

[steel sequoia]

some stuff requires others to progress in quests, idk and i cant remember any example lmao but a wiki might help if u are stuck

otherwise just playing and givingshould help

[past mist]

@glad glen you keep replaying new saves right? do you know what the new familiar-upgrading incantation takes to unlock?

[past mist]

someone elsewhere claimed you need to get 3 animal familiars before you can upgrade them

[marsh flax]

weak counts as a curse right because if not the build im making just got way weaker

[compact nest]

yes

[past mist]

hmm unsure what to pick as my arcana loadout for trying medea at 50f again

[wintry plover]

never thought of scorch on black coat

or scorch in general tbh, I havent rlly used it much

[leaden owl]

It's really useful on high fear/fresh file but don't know if it's good for much else.

[wintry plover]

What makes it so good on high fear

[compact nest]

consistent DPS, melts wards, freezer burn can do lump sums of high damage

[sly plaza]

Freezer burn with a Dem cast is disgusting ngl

You get the lump damage + the added safety the cast gives by default

[past salmon]

also natural gas and if it's your primary a curse for orig (assuming you are using orig)

[wintry plover]

[magic moss]

lmfao so i got curious and checked the reddit post and the plagiarized sheet again since i saw the post itself wasnt deleted and it got worse https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QAT722uw7bcX34Vg-u98-vv9f_6wKOJZBVy9imhDUAk/edit?usp=sharing

[silent crow]

its illegible wtf

[bold bane]

what's the best aspect for moonstone axe???

[magic moss]

thanatos

[lusty heron]

whats the standard arcana for judgement runs ?

[magic moss]

do you want 53 fear standard or normal standard

[lusty heron]

normal standard

[magic moss]

eternity/strength + titan + whatever you want

[lusty heron]

thx

out of curiosity what is it for 53

[magic moss]

strength + titan

[lusty heron]

lul

[magic moss]

ye you dont go eternity so you can start athena

[past salmon]

idk if this is ideal
I'm like fairly sure it is but also I haven't actually played much 53F

[magic moss]

its the safest option, but Mynt likes to take artificer and posh goes full right side

[past salmon]

it's better than whatever tf Mynt was cooking anyway

what even is full right side
I cant remember the arcana over there lmao

death?
that seems very odd

[magic moss]

death + lovers, it activates the most amount of cards

[past salmon]

I think most amount of cards doesn't matter that much tho idk
Death is gonna be useless on most weapons

[magic moss]

reduces the amount of bad cards you can draw

[past salmon]

you rlly do full right side for divinity but you are making yourself so much weaker just for divinity so ???

[past salmon]

sure except Erebus is probs still the hardest part of a run so

just run strength and exit Erebus guaranteed

[lusty heron]

you can run strength as well

[past salmon]

not for 53F

[tiny path]

Is it intentional the axe's dash strike is the first thing after the normal combo ends or should I bugreport it, keep dying to it from getting rammed into enemies

[past mist]

dash strike isn't inherently part of the combo in any specific place. the first attack of the combo does take a slight step forward though

[marsh flax]

what is a good build for medea im trying it out

[tiny path]

Alright yeah, having an issue with it doing the dash strike after the combo resets, making it not do the wide swipe I'm intending, thanks for response

[past mist]

this might be related to just plain timing stuff. the finishing move of the combo would lock you down long enough for dash to usually be ready and off cooldown, making this a natural place you would likely dash attack timing wise?

don't know the specifics of how dash attacks work in h2 personally

i've had a weird time trying to actively force them

[tiny path]

It's coming out without me dashing, even without moving. I tap attack for first swing, wait a second to go back to idle, and tap attack again and it does the dashattack

[past mist]

hera attack, zeus special seems to be the most default stuff. the possessed array hammer is really good if you get it, and that would make mana important but otherwise mana isn't that important

[tiny path]

Hilariously it's stopped and hasn't started up again since I mentioned it here but I've had it happen in other runs too

[past mist]

i just tested. if i dash during the end of the combo, i dash attack on first attack

like, if you dash at the very start of the big slam attack at the end, your dash is long over by the time you do your next attack but it's still a dash attack

[hazy forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230181039196995706/1300238861737132034/Hades_II_2024-10-27_19-22-00.mp4
Ill never get why people dont just dodge her self-bomb attack, its so easy to time it.

[past mist]

fair, although aside from the big one at the end, the rest basically don't create downtime since the time to get back to eris is minimal

[compact nest]

Because she has Iframes for a few seconds post animation anyway so there is no reason to actively be that close to her

[past mist]

also that, the downtime is further reduced because she's briefly immune

[compact nest]

May as well be outside of the ring and make her run up to you and if you DO mistime the dash you get heavily punished

[past mist]

very useful for omega move builds that wanna start charging immediately

so the usecase you're doing

[past mist]

in my experience you don't get her running up to you because you've dashed back to her before she even starts moving at all

[hazy forge]

the biggest reason to do it for me is that she sometimes instantly goes into shotgun mode after her I-frames are up, so you wanna be able to get behind her immedietely

[past mist]

fair, that's usually more than enough time for dashing in, but it's just two different priorities

i should probably practice just dodging the bombs with iframes when i start doing surface stuff again

just so i am comfortable doing both

[tiny path]

Managed to recreate it doing a dash attack out of a normal attack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643583107282501646/1300246267355725895/Hades_II_2024.10.27_-_18.50.16.05.webm?ex=67202433&is=671ed2b3&hm=2c7545dfac38475b4c12e749c9f082318863af4c01e9c9caf9d7401843de0093&

[past mist]

huh

[tiny path]

Was a dash attack out of the first strike too, not big slam

[past mist]

interesting

i don't understand how dash attacks work properly in h2, it's felt kinda obtuse to me

[past mist]

are you pressing anything else than just attack here?

[tiny path]

Nope, nothing, I walked into the area, did an attack but dashed out of it mid-attack into a dash attack, and now it just does this

Making bug report since I know now this isn't intended lmao

[past mist]

that's.. really weird

i'm not the best person when it comes to the various combo techs and interrupts and stuff, i barely fully understand how they work, but this seems odd

[tiny path]

Nevermind it's not even doing a dashattack out of the attack, it's just dashing out of the attack

Recreated again, also seems to only be the Axe, only weapon with a different attack type for the dashattack

[past mist]

i'm not able to reproduce it, but that could be a misunderstanding of what you mean

could you video how you get it to do this?

kinda curious if i can reproduce it

[tiny path]

Oh my god it has to be the first action upon entering a room

Okay thanks Dyno anyways the bug is messing with me at this point

Has to be first dash of a room???

Converting to webm one sec

[hazy forge]

Ive had this happen a couple times before aswell, very odd stuff

[tiny path]

Cloudconvert please do the one thing you are made for as a website and convert my video from mp4 to webm

[long sleet]

Is there fan made flow charts for the olimpic boons of Hades 2?

[tiny path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643583107282501646/1300261478422675566/Hades_II_2024.10.27_-_19.13.55.11.webm?ex=6720325e&is=671ee0de&hm=f708998ec44398b7849ae797320649b54a9a62126d0d170ed2bf0abd50f5f871& Had to lower quality a bunch because not having Nitro anymore when I'm used to it SUCKS

First dash of the room needs to be used to dash out of the Axe's attack

[glossy rivet]

is there a dark side build

[cursive oyster]

sanctity plus geyser spout is fun, and on top of that look for ways to spend magic fast like blood line or weed killer

[past mist]

in the middle of a ttrpg session but will try to test if i can reproduce it when i have a moment, thanks for the video ❤️

[glossy rivet]

whatre the ways to deal damage fast in dark side? is spending magic fast only for getting the hex bc i dont think the hex has omega atk or specials while its active

[cursive oyster]

it’s for charging the hex quick yeah, sanctity is a path of stars purple node, it turns your cast into your omega cast, which when combined with the instant cast explosion of geyser spout lets you do geyser spout’s damage for free every time you press cast

[glossy rivet]

so mash cast button with it?

[cursive oyster]

yep

[glossy rivet]

huh

still seems niche but might try it when i roll dark side again (and the path with sanctity)

[acoustic garden]

Is there a consensus on eternity vs strength? Personally I've actually been preferring the latter significantly.

[cursive oyster]

eterniny is safer once you start running scars but before then i like to take strength

i also like strength with scars but it may not be optimal

[acoustic garden]

Also; I've had 2 runs now with no DD and athena keepsake on without her showing up at all (was in olympus if that makes a difference)

[cursive oyster]

athena won’t show up in rift olympus or fields atm due to a bug

[magic moss]

honestly right now im leaning more towards strength > eternity rn ngl

[acoustic garden]

oh really? you mean with her keepsake I presume

[cursive oyster]

i am too but then i get wrecked in oceanus

[acoustic garden]

I'm actually wondering if Strength might get nerfed

[compact nest]

Athena keepsake does not work outside of Oceanus/Ephyria/Erebus.

[magic moss]

athena oceanus

get divine dash/mental block gg ez

[cursive oyster]

that’s what i do

[dapper prairie]

Do you have advices for Testaments picks ? The best I did so far is 12 by always picking Bitterness, Rebuke and then I addapt depending on the confidence I have with my build/weapon. But to aim 16 I think I'll have to be more smart about it sooo Here I am

[cursive oyster]

start taking time and frenzy at lower fear to get used to it now so you can run it safely when you push fear

bitterness and rebuke are really annoying once combined with other vows

[compact nest]

Its preference all the way.

I personally always run 60% encounter size as i find it has little to no effect on the run while rewarding you with extra money from the mobs. Others call me insane for this though.

2X prime mana is fairly free as long as you don't run a mana hungry weapon like charon etc.

9 minute fear is actually free for anyone who isn't molasses. 7 minute fear is free for me and most players, but i can see some struggling. Plus as you go higher 7 minute is basically required to get the 32 fear statue unless you REALLY want the cancer vows

[dapper prairie]

yeaaaah that's what I was thinking while looking at the options

[cursive oyster]

you are insane

[acoustic garden]

so athena literally only works in 3 areas atm?

[dapper prairie]

I was going to say the same ahahahah

[cursive oyster]

yep

[acoustic garden]

that's a bummer; hope it gets fixed

[compact nest]

She can spawn naturally in olympus via her RNG - but she will not consume her keepsake for increased rarity

[bleak night]

can someone send me a pic of Seething Marauder's hammer icon

[acoustic garden]

I coulda sworn I had her spawn in tartarus

[compact nest]

Past the balance patch on thursday?

[acoustic garden]

aaaah, it was broken by the patch

[dapper prairie]

But okay, taking notes, thank u both for ur responses!

[compact nest]

Cause she worked in all areas starting olympus update until the balance patch

[acoustic garden]

do we have word at all on when it'Ll get fixed?

[compact nest]

(Except MF but we assumed that was intentional)

[vivid steppe]

where can i go to find build reccomendations for 50 fear builds

[acoustic garden]

but the keepsake is meant to be a 100% guaranteed athena spawn yes?

[compact nest]

we have no word other than the #h2-tech-support guy talking about "The devs are aware of the bug and looking into it"

[compact nest]

Hell if i know man. The god boons also don't state taht they are "guaranteed" just likely, but they functionally are forced.

Considering pre patch behavior where she always spawned in within 3 encounters, i would say she works the same.

[cursive oyster]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[acoustic garden]

understood.

[cursive oyster]

this has every recorded clear with victory screens and vods if available

[compact nest]

Could be fixed on monday with a hotfix patch, could be a bug until 1.0, or never get fixed.

The worst part about SGG is that they don't do patch notes for bugfixes

They only include them if its apart of a bigger patch

[acoustic garden]

I'll go back to not getting enough driftwood I guess.

[compact nest]

Like the patch we got on friday fixed bone doors that were broken since the Olympic update, but we got no patch notes so i had to test all biomes to see if i could get athena keepsake to work and only got 3/7 to work.

Most likely 3/6 unless Mourning Fields was Patient Zero of the bug

and she was supposed to spawn there this entire time just didn't

[sly plaza]

Selene might be my new favourite aspect in the whole game

The hex is so fun

[vale shard]

Can't say I agree, i miss calls 😭

[golden hawk]

Double chaos strike is so overpowered. Bosses just die

Had the best run ever after using keepsake to get double chaos strike, plus aphrodite's attack boon (upgraded a lot) on my torches. Just held square and watched the health bar race to the bottom

[minor willow]

someone tell me again what the strategy for Prometheus is...
I just died to him with all DD, full HP and skelly tooth

Annoying thing is I've beaten him twice before. But like its a once in a blue moon when I clutch it

[mighty rapids]

aspect of persephone, poseidons omega cast, and daedulus special return is insane

[minor willow]

tips for the axe...

Charon aspect

[mighty rapids]

i think there is an upgrade that increases damage from your special inside your cast

[minor willow]

Ig its worth mentioning I havent done a fear run so its also like lvl1

[vale shard]

Hit and run, kiting is key

[willow phoenix]

I pretty much just place cast, run, omega special

If he gets to your face just dash away, it's not worth tanking him

You can also use hex, for charon. I like to use selene keepsake on Thessaly, making sure I get a good hex going to olympus

Charon eats through magick really fast, you can keep almost perma uptime on most hexes

Any of lunar ray, phase shift, total eclipse, dark side, mook water, wolf howl can really own Prom

[minor willow]

what's kiting

[willow phoenix]

Basically any hex that's not morph and raise dead

[willow phoenix]

Gaming term for keeping your distance so that you don't get hit

[minor willow]

ahh

Idk how but I keep getting hit by his kick bullets
and I havent figured out his animation cue for the kick slash

[willow phoenix]

Getting some -%projectile speed from hermes or medea can help with that. Prom does a pretty noticeable animation where he jumps and kick before that kick slash

[minor willow]

Im very confused between his kick animations
like I havent been able to pay attention enough between kick-slash, kick-stomp, kick-tornado

[zinc jungle]

can someone PLEASE explain HOW I'm supposed to dodge Eris' shots with Vow of Frenzy 2??? she just always rails me because she can cover the entire screen in bullets and there doesn't seem to be a way to dodge them all.

[drowsy kraken]

In my experience you're gonna get hit a few times but I always aim to go behind her and just keep moving to avoid her turning around. As for when she does the short straight bursts idk

[low bear]

try to use the cover I guess, but yeah Eris is pretty hard

[zinc jungle]

feels like once that resource is depleted, the next resource that starts depleting are my charges of DD (and time, which hurts because she keeps pausing to become invulnerable)

[drowsy kraken]

Spam dodging is sadly the only thing I can recommend. Oh and I could be wrong but they patched it so that eris can be halted by casts I think so you can at least stop her from zooming around. But yeah, just dodge Into her to get behind her idk

[south junco]

Momus is super strong with demeter + zeus ngl

[past mist]

eris inherent punishes you for trying to approach her cautiously. be up in her face and dodge. keep yourself behind her at all times unless she's doing the bomb thing or the 'shoot one big shot she aims at you' thing

she accepts no disengages, no caution, and no ranged approach

[zinc jungle]

Also, with Aspect of Than+Aphro Attack, is it better to take Furious Whirlwind, Dashing Heave, or Colossus Slash?

[past mist]

depends a bit how you're playing, but colossus slash is almost certainly the best one

[zinc jungle]

my issue is she is able to turn around so quickly and she teleports so frequently that it's hard to ever stay behind her. especially when she teleports far away or flies in the air. I have to run at her, which means running into bullets.

[zinc jungle]

that's what I was leaning toward

[past mist]

for the part before the last phase, you can predict her flying off because she will do it any time she's standing in fire. for the last 10% or whatever, yeah you gotta dodge at an angle, but she's predictable. she moves, shoots, moves, shoots, moves, shoots

you won't have to dodge twice in a row

she's.. a kinda frustrating boss tbh

it's just learn to dodge it or die

i find it easier now that i know the patterns and how incredibly predictable she is, but it's still hard

[zinc jungle]

I just absolutely destroyed her this time on F8 but I opted for Menace2, Fangs1, Time2, so getting behind her was incredibly easy. I just wish that felt... possible... against Frenzy2 Eris...

[zinc jungle]

also can confirm this is not fully true, her dash forward goes straight through any cast

[past mist]

yeah the only significant movement she does is not hindered by cast

[zinc jungle]

is hell splitter any good here? I added wave flourish, frigid sprint, and tropical cyclone but that's about it

oh and a bunch of +attack modifiers like extra dose, ingenious strikes, gagged strike, and perfect image, so it kinda seems like it'd be broken

I am trying to go 3 for 3 on Prom here

+300 power just sounds so ridiculously absurd

here's praying I don't kill my rhythm

OK WHAT... THIS IS ACTUALLY INSANE

[past mist]

hell splitter is... very good damage, but makes it much harder to consistently stagger enemies for safety

[zinc jungle]

ugh.... just died in my first encounter with Talos after greedily picking up the Chaos bait smh

[iron grail]

is there a way to consistently hit a given foe (mainly bosses and armored ennemies) with umbral flames omega special without getting hit yourself ? I can't get the correct distance AND avoid damage at the same time.

[surreal hazel]

Stop trying, honestly

[surreal hazel]

The tooltip is a bit of a mistake, it's +60 power to an attack with 240 base

[iron grail]

any alternative way to play umbral flames ? I keep seeing people telling to use omega special most of the time

[surreal hazel]

you keep it up, sure, but don't try to get greedy with it

[past salmon]

just hold attack instead imo

[surreal hazel]

the other way to use it is to use Moros, since omega special is used to detonate the attack flames

and with Eos, your daybreaker copies your specials around itself, so you can use it that way

mel torches have a longer lifespan, so often it's just a fire and forget

[silent crow]

you dont take contact damage in this game so just stay melee range imo

[iron grail]

in melee range, omega special doesn't hit anything 😦

[silent crow]

or close to melee range itll hit the big enemies at melee range

just throw down a cast and dodge attacks accordingly

[surreal hazel]

dodge while holding attack, it won't break the attacks

you just can't full-sprint while doing that (This influences which sprint boons you'll want)

[polar frigate]

Get that daybreaker and watch it dish out 1ks per hit

[amber dagger]

Is day breaker good with Zeus

[willow phoenix]

I like it on special, you can get a lot of omega special rolling with daybreaker

[half sigil]

For Selene aspect on xinth, what do you look for exactly? I’m guessing dem for weed killer and maybe a %atk like Hera for born gain? Anything else?

[silent crow]

selene keepsake for more path of stars

[sly plaza]

Selene gets away with a surprisingly large amount of attacks honestly. Going path of stars keepsake works out most of the time

[half sigil]

Yea of course I meant after

Alright fair enough thanks

I’ll prob mostly look for weed killer and rest whatever I get

[sly plaza]

It’s in this really ideal spot where you can go for those Zeus + static attack/special spam setups but you can also go for scaling oriented core boons

Because of how synergistic and impactful the hex is

[half sigil]

Only thing I’m not a fan of is the path of star is random, cause cascade sucks lol

But yea other than that it’s pretty fun

[sly plaza]

Yeah it’s definitely not mandatory don’t get me wrong. It just speeds along what you already want. Going Dem first is valid as well

[half sigil]

I’ll prob still start with Selene keepsake but roll for dem later

[silent crow]

you can also do bloodline for even more mana usage

[half sigil]

Blood line is the Hera thing that adds cost for aoe on omega right?

[bleak night]

less of Aoe and more of a straight line, but yeah

[half sigil]

I see what it is now, the blue\purplish lines

[bleak night]

Yeah, damage is decent ig

[half sigil]

Idt I ever used it, but makes sense for Selene I guess

Also it looks pretty

[lusty heron]

its really fun on torches

since every omega attack procs it

[bleak night]

that just nukes your mana tho no ? lol

[timber pawn]

You maybe want it on a moros speedrun

Depending on your gain boon

[bleak night]

[sly plaza]

Counter point: BEEG OMEGUH GO BOOM

Mana consumption be damned. We load up on everything

[cursive oyster]

with born gain and hecuba you’d be surprised

[bleak night]

it's Torch Omega Attack tho

it becomes 18 per use instead of 3

[past salmon]

Old sunny dispo strats

[bleak night]

your effective 850 MP pool gets instantly primed out within like 50 Omega Attacks no ?

[past salmon]

Just kill everything in the room before 50 omega attacks

[cursive oyster]

i’ve used it before and it works

[timber pawn]

ya I guess I should check, I dont think current Moros uses it I suppose

[cursive oyster]

especially on surface where you can get born gain + blood line + double mp pretty consistently in ephyra

[bleak night]

boutta run Weed Killer and Blood Line

[past salmon]

Idk why play Moros when you can play Medea frfr

[bleak night]

what's a good regen boon if I run both for a meme run

[past salmon]

Add exceptional talent

[bleak night]

Heroic Tranquil Gain

regen all by standing still for 0.7 sec

wait, that's actually not too bad, no? Empty it out and then stand still for half a sec and then be full again

[past salmon]

If you have all the cost increases, each omega attack costs 48 magick
If your magick pool is 200 you can shoot a whopping 4 times lmfao

[bleak night]

I think Heroic Tranquil gain is 120% of max mana per second with pommable value of like +30 on first ?

[bleak night]

do it for the memes mf

[past salmon]

I don't feel like it

[rugged moon]

Clearly the answer is to just get a barren chaos boon that decreases cost by 70% so that even with bloodline you only pay like… 4

[low bear]

what's the staff's base damage on attack again?

[timber pawn]

idk man apparently Pan goes absolutely insane (on anyfear )

[versed nexus]

I recently did a Poseidon+Zeus pan run and it did indeed go crazy

[sly plaza]

Pan flute gaming is realizing that the god of the wild actually has a shotgun

[brazen ore]

Beat prometheus for the first time with a pan poseidon build

[sly plaza]

Knives? Pffft

Point blank shotgun blast special

[steel sequoia]

idk how is pan in 50 fear but in low fear is busted

[versed nexus]

Whenever I play knives I always go Poseidon on special, it's too busted!

[steel sequoia]

pos+hera just do anything

[brazen ore]

It favors my playstyle very well, I've definitely done more damage with torches but I hate using them lol

[cursive oyster]

pan is pretty bad at 50 but i did get a decent run going with trick knives

[versed nexus]

I feel like there's so much to remember with torches, like it's omega spesh then cast then attack and you have to constantly keep those in mind

Beeg damage is nice tho lol

[brazen ore]

I don't mind the loop of them, I just am really bad with positioning. It's not get as close as possible and then sprint away, bc you can't dash fast enough while attacking

[low bear]

I actually tried a 50F Pan run recently and it's surprisingly not bad you just need some good luck in Erebus

[spare kite]

You can cast in the middle of your attack btw (assuming you don't have a ranged one)

[low bear]

Hecuba makes it feel so much better

[brazen ore]

So I like things that reward me for get close and then run away, like knives or xinth

[low bear]

I'm not sure how good Engagement Ring is but it kinda deleted everything inside the cast pretty quickly, I had static shock on too and pos special

[versed nexus]

I just face planted into everything in my torch run because of the build I was running, had to be close since Aphro on attack

[summer seal]

Man, I need to watch some more high level gameplay on Selene, I really enjoy the aspect, but it just feels like I'm missing something when it comes to damage output and avoiding incoming damage

[low bear]

I almost won and I probably could have if I had gotten Spiral Knives

[sly plaza]

Engagement Ring is pretty solid. Hitch will do what Hitch does and I can’t imagine how nutty it gets with Pan

[brazen ore]

I find the dash while attack to be too difficult to position while getting close

[sly plaza]

Home the knives in and suddenly everything that’s there takes damage

[polar frigate]

Theres a guide posted somewhere here with videos and explanations, if you don’t find it i can send you the link later

[brazen ore]

Im about to try aspect of nyx when my steam deck updates (it took me forever to get the plasma for it, chaos didnt want to fork it over)

[low bear]

Engagement is cool but I think I still prefer Arctic for the defensive utility

[polar frigate]

One of the high fear runners from the server got addicted to selene aspect so we have a lot of stuff on it

[sly plaza]

Same tbh. I tend to go for Zeus/Dem for the relative safety

That and I love Blitz. God I love blitz

[brazen ore]

Not sure what the best situation for nyx is, i assume dash into enemies and then attack. Does the sprint damage on nyx care about attack or sprint boon? Or neither?

[versed nexus]

Honestly I need some good axe builds, I SUCK at axe holy moly

[low bear]

Hera attack, dem cast that's all you need

marauding hammer is also op

[polar frigate]

Axe with apollo dem and aphro is pfun and does decent dmg. Apollo on attack, dem on cast and aphro on special

[low bear]

hell splitter is amazing on Thanatos too

[polar frigate]

Got me to my first 30f run

[versed nexus]

I always put Aphro on atk because it makes sense but maybe I'll try on spec

[low bear]

try Hera

hitch is sooo good

[versed nexus]

I'll try that too dw

[sly plaza]

Hitch is amazing tbh

The axe sweep applying it to absolutely everything under your Dem cast also just leads to some very whacky shenanigans

[versed nexus]

I love watching the meta change as the updates progress XD

[low bear]

for high fear the meta has almost always been Triple Earth I'd argue

[versed nexus]

I haven't seen many high fear runs actually, I should probably look into them (I'll never do them I ain't gamer enough)

[carmine lagoon]

Heph is actually so underrated wtf
Just did a 16F surface heph blades run, surface run I’ve had so far
The cling clangs are so fun too lol

[versed nexus]

I saw a heph build with torches, you plop the clangs on the special and try to get the recharge time as low as possible

[silent crow]

ive been seeing a lot more zeus love recently

[versed nexus]

Same!

Mainly the cast LOL

[brazen ore]

I was dumb and put aphro attack on xinth

Now I suffer

[versed nexus]

Could work out in a silly way

[brazen ore]

I'm really trying to get it to work out in a silly way 😭

I have zeus and hera in my pool also and hoping I can do something with blitz and the duo

but its not feeling promising rn lol

[timber pawn]

this setup usually wants blitz on the attack unfortunately

[polar frigate]

I need to figure out an eos torch and xinth arcane setup for 32f

[brazen ore]

I mean yeahhh I know but we are trying to claw our way back here

[polar frigate]

Build wise ill prob just get some kind of hera combo

[brazen ore]

none of it is ideal

[timber pawn]

true, good luck 🫡

[brazen ore]

I dont think im making it past eris

[delicate vapor]

Man I can't get 30f overworld at all, underworld was a lot easier. Does anyone have a fun build for overworld 30f preferably with spear?

[compact nest]

spear

[delicate vapor]

I've been trying to figure out spear for a while, only weapon I don't feel consistent on, and I want my 30f xD

[compact nest]

there is no spear in h2, do you mean staff?

[delicate vapor]

yeah

I poke with it like a spear, then its a spear for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[short hare]

do u have a build list?

per aspect or something

[half sigil]

You could prob do dem atk and Zeus cast and aim for hail storm, with heph for support with trusty shield /mint condition

Or Hera atk is always good when in doubt

[slate trench]

pos still best on specail for pan daggers? Or hera?

[compact nest]

Pos. Will never be hera now that hook knives are gone and they don't pierce/return while tracking.

[silent crow]

hestias a solid alternative

[low bear]

am I crazy or is Wicked a bit better than Mirrored given you have Huntress active?

actually I'm not sure what the uptime for Huntress even looks like with Mirrored and Warmth Gain

[magic moss]

mirrored is still better

[silent crow]

mirrored procs static shock 2x so prob not

[low bear]

ah assuming you don't have static

I often have this dilemma when I'm offered both in Erebus especially when Hestia isn't necessarily guaranteed in my pool

Mirrored does work really well with Hexes though I guess

[rugged moon]

question: does anyone know how possessed array + weed killer functions?

[low bear]

so there are a lot of pros but you kinda need Hestia gain

[rugged moon]

does the pickup cost 10?

[low bear]

I don't think Weed increases the pickup cost but it does increase the damage

but don't quote me on that

[rugged moon]

This entire run is a mistake that is turning into a weird test

[low bear]

do it for science

[magic moss]

mirrored is so good for the staff that its worth taking hestia keepsake to get her gain

[rugged moon]

I accidentally took hecuba instead of raki for Mel Skull Str

[low bear]

that's true but I often have timeout problems in Erebus with Staff

[rugged moon]

so im... just gonna lean into it cause my hammer was badddd

[magic moss]

if you're playing circe, you dont really need a gain just make sure to never fall below the breakpoint

[low bear]

Circe would feel so much better if you didn't need to omega to activate it

[compact nest]

had that earlier, no mana increase but increased damage

[rugged moon]

Sweet

i still lost sadly, only had 30s going into hecate is not enough

i... am thinking im gonna take fig into erebus. im just too slow

was an interesting attempt tho

even with only 30s i still got into the second invuln phase cause i took hecate to the first before she even finished her initial big expanding circle

kinda wanna see if i can make that run work on purpose

[slate trench]

what fear layout does everyone like for 32f?

[cursive oyster]

i like to avoid onion hordes rebuke and fangs 2

the rest is just whatever i feel like dealing with

[rugged moon]

Depends on if your goal is eventually 50f or 32 just for the nights champion

[slate trench]

not sure if I'll crank it up to 50 but looking more for steady fun challenging runs

getting too easy to do them in mid 20s and I'm just curious because generally I like to take things that make monsters harder as opposed to me weaker

[bleak night]

join us in 50

We even have a spreadsheet for it and everything

[slate trench]

I'll take a look could be fun to try

[bleak night]

I've got runs up if you wanna see my scuffed gameplay

[slate trench]

sure where at?

[bleak night]

Spreadsheet has stats and some entries have videos : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?gid=1460346375#gid=1460346375

My channel for runs: https://www.youtube.com/@Myntkaramell/videos

[lament spoke]

do you have commentary or anything or is it just gameplay

[bleak night]

just gameplay. If you want my commentary I can do runs in VC, idk I don't like hearing my own voice

[lament spoke]

so real

I was mostly just curious (and nowhere near 50f yet)

[bleak night]

lmk if you wanna hear my commentary as I do runs ig

[rugged moon]

If you are wanting to to 50f “light” i suggest taking frenzy 2, shadow, forsaken, timer 3, commotion 3

Timer and frenzy are especially the big two to get use to for 50f

[spare kite]

Get used to fangs/scars too

[magic moss]

fangs and scars are big

[lament spoke]

if you're running full scars do you wanna use DDs rather than strength?

[magic moss]

depends on what you plan on running

both are fine for 50, just prio is different afterwards

[lament spoke]

fair

I'm mostly debating mixing up my 32f loadout

[bleak night]

do it