h2-builds-and-combat

[magic moss]

25% dmg amp going into chronos is still pretty strong

[bleak night]

ye 25% is fun, but having that 45% is godsend

[magic moss]

oh yeah

dem hera is just an insane combo

origination is free, good aoe, good defensive utility, high damage, good duo, its just insane

[bleak night]

I thought Foolish convinced everyone to abandon Orig for Boatman now lol

I'm still 50/50 on it

[magic moss]

nah boatman as it stands is just more consistent than origination

[trim shoal]

I use boatman to increase the chance of getting boons i want

[magic moss]

origination given decent rng is still better

[worn oriole]

I like Origination bc noise and damage make brain go woohoo

[magic moss]

its really just a matter of consistency and rng

if you’re fine with more variance and rng in a run in exchange for a stronger good run, then origination is better

[gray garnet]

Hey anyone got any good Medea skull builds?

[magic moss]

hera/aphro attack zeus special dem cast gg ez

[gray garnet]

Ooh alr thank you

[bleak night]

ooh getting around to trying it the right way ?

[gray garnet]

Lol yeah since I finished the sister blades testaments I’m trying to go for the skull testaments now

[bleak night]

Mel Skulls are a fair bit easier to use if you wanna get that done quicker, down the line. Relatively a safer option

[wise idol]

fr privileged status/origination is god tier sound design

[gray garnet]

Dang it I lost all 5 of my dds in Tartarus and died to chronos 😭

[trim shoal]

chronos killed me again :(

[tough vapor]

spirit surge and thunder sprint is honestly stupidly funny lol

[novel granite]

5 is crazy

[rugged moon]

ended up trying something weird for mel blades... i went with barely sheaf to get artic ring first because i just can not deal with the 10 armored spinner rooms. got through hecate off the back of ring + wicked onslaught with like a minute left on time

[magic moss]

we getting close, will poseidon close the gap? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1295472377450332294/image.png?ex=670ec62b&is=670d74ab&hm=055daeac377ee52933993ff30454198b7232fc7a9ac7a7bc215b2460681ed1f1&

[rugged moon]

Not getting a heph boon hurt so much

I spent soooo many dds

[rugged moon]

i will say, its kinda interesting cause its not really that poseidon is bad that so few even have one. its just the sorta soft limit of already needing like 3 different gods that arent

a bunch of the poseidon support boons like double up and oceans bounty are really nice

[trim shoal]

I am doing a 45F run rn, using Apollo attack for a change, already have Apollo, Hephaestus, and Demeter, is it worth to buy Hera from the shop? I know she's good but I already have Dem's cast and Apollo's attack so I cannot think of any good way to apply Hitch

[wheat badger]

What aspect are you using?

[trim shoal]

Thanatos

[wheat badger]

It would be good on the O-special if you are using it

otherwise no

[trim shoal]

Mostly an attack spam build, so not using O spec often

[magic moss]

on average you're getting 6-7 boons and 2 hammers per run, having to commit to double up and oceans bounty is just not worth

[rugged moon]

oh yeah thats what i mean

[magic moss]

no

[rugged moon]

its not that hes bad its just not worth the space

not when you need to gurentee like 3-4 of your boons being other specific things

but im also like rarely sad if i get a random Poseidon off like, artificer (although not as happy if i get like, a free trusty)

[magic moss]

yeah

[past mist]

what are the weakest weapons for 50f clear atm? i assume it's mostly weapons that struggle to beat the timer?

[magic moss]

mel torches and pan

[past mist]

yeah okay that's more or less what i assumed

I'm curious actually - for people who use controller at high fear, are you using the auto aim feature?

[trim shoal]

Yes, it just makes the game feel more consistient (at least to me)

[spare kite]

No reason to turn it off imo

[past mist]

fair. I don't use controller at all, so i'm unsure how much it negatively impacts the ability to actually aim at things the auto aim isn't aiming at

like, if two different enemies are both close to you in different dirrection and you wanna shoot at the more scary one. or if you want to hit a tree in erebus but the auto aim is aiming at an enemy

watching ellie play, it can also make any of the ranged casts like zeus and hestia look really awkward

[rugged moon]

honestly it basicly only effects me on torches this badly

[wise idol]

Ive played both kbm and controller and I personally value the aiming benefit more than omnidirectional movement

[rugged moon]

its helpful for everything else

(well not cast but thats doable)

[wise idol]

then there is mynt who just plays both lol

[bleak night]

I do either full controller or Cursed Mynt Setup, so ngl autoaim is nice but restricting against large enemy counts. On single bosses I kinda prefer it

[rugged moon]

the problem is really that unlike everything else torches locks on

[bleak night]

I tried KbM and instantly missed the 360 degree movement

[rugged moon]

same mynt

kinda sucks that hades doesnt let me do a mixed setup easily.

[bleak night]

I just made my own setup to eliminate my concerns for the most part

[past mist]

i can understand not like 8-directional movement, but some of the struggles with aim end up looking very awkward to me

[bleak night]

Then do what I'm doing lol

[past mist]

(also i'm never gonna be able to use controller, for clarification)

[rugged moon]

i use a azeron whenever i do kbm and for whatever reason it seems to lock up if i try to use a mixed method of joystick movement + mouse

[bleak night]

I sometimes swap in the middle of the run so my playstyle acclimates to the boons I get, all I need to do is bind Dash from B to L1

[past mist]

what is your controller setup mynt?

[bleak night]

L1 shoulder for Dash, L2 for Hex, Mouse side button has Cast

Otherwise, normal cont setup with right hand in claw

[wise idol]

when I do play on my deck I change up the controls a TON, I really hate having so many different moves on the face buttons

[past mist]

winces ouch my fingies

[bleak night]

I find Claw less irritating than mouse and normal thumb spam ngl. I played Arcade fighters a lot growing up

[past mist]

i have weird fine motor control issues that makes claw grip on controller really stressful

[bleak night]

Oh, I don't use my right thumb when I play full cont

[past mist]

huh

[bleak night]

Straight up just my four fingers on the four buttons like it's a fighting game on an arvade cabinet

Three, actually. I don't really use my pinky

[past mist]

.... that honestly sounds much better to me - but my hands are way too big to do that with most controllers. would probably just want a fight stick or similar

[rugged moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294531309070323764/1295516481575977061/image.png?ex=670eef3e&is=670d9dbe&hm=9c6369fc1cc4a2e387b9d90c8a3845bf090b3ee107bd0b6f8f8be485c42835b3&

i use this thing for kb controls with mouse

but hades is awkward about it

[bleak night]

I thought this was a sophisticated brass knuckles

[past mist]

also, in regards to your name - why joycon? is it just the only half-controller available?

only one that lets you get the left hand of a controller in one easy grip

[bleak night]

I use actual joycons most of the time

[past mist]

fair

is the problem with ranged casts being awkward a universal controller experience?

[magic moss]

im assuming its primarily to give omnidirectional control while also keeping the normal feel of the mouse

left joycon for omnidirectional movement, mouse for omnidirectional and better depth control

[past mist]

oh assumed that part. was just unsure why joycon specifically - until i realized there's probably not a lot of.. one-hand controllers basically

[bleak night]

Not for me, I think it's alright

[past mist]

fair enough thanks for the broad range of answers on this stuff. I always struggle to figure out whether the problems i imagine or see in regards to controller vs kbm stuff is real or not. i try to account for my bias towards kbm and assume controller is capable of making the things that look awkward not be awkward, but it's hard to know when i don't use controllers

i can definitely imagine that omnidirectional movement would be a nice improvement for me in h2 but almost everything aim related feels like it would get more complicated

[bleak night]

I just like using both

[muted tangle]

for medea, Lethal Snare, Silver Streak, or Rare Pressure Points?

[past salmon]

Lethal

[wise idol]

lethal snare is really strong

[muted tangle]

i figured, just thought maybe pp would've been good. i only put in silver streak there bc of the need to list ll 3 options even tho ik it's not good fr medea

[past salmon]

pretty much anything that uses attack, lethal lol
Epic First blood is pretty great on literally everything though

[muted tangle]

WHY IS MY KEYBOARD SUCKING SM RN

should i change Zeus miniboss to try and get Dem? or just go in as is

i alr have zeus special and hera atk

[past salmon]

I'd roll
maybe heph appears

extra Zeus is also good tho for Static shock

[muted tangle]

heyyyy i got dem

and we got arctic ring, WINNING

one last question:
is magick necessary for this build at all?

i think i can take it from here, just wanna know if i can skip magick rooms and get other stuff

[wise idol]

not really unless you want possessed array

[muted tangle]

what's that?

[wise idol]

hammer that spawns omega attack when picking up skulls

[past salmon]

hamma

[wise idol]

probably the strongest medea hammer but not strictly necessary

[muted tangle]

gotcha, thanks so much for al the assistance

i'll update if i win/lose 🫡

[wise idol]

[magic moss]

by the way, we have 48 unique clearers and 244 unique patch 4 clears

[muted tangle]

lol guess who got a hammer in the pre-boss shop and got possessed array

[bleak night]

Gaming

[muted tangle]

okay i lied, chaos has me going

Actually i'm not sure if I could do Maimed Soul on medea skull

[bleak night]

Get Barren Strike

[muted tangle]

at least i wouldn't be able to clear the rooms in oceanus in a reasonable amount of time; i'm not on timer3 but i like looking at the time and trying to stay under 5 mins each region

[muted tangle]

we got Addled Flourish or Hobbled Discovery as the other two, Addled Flourish seems fine

or i could reroll
Flourish is rare, Soul is Epic

[bleak night]

I did a run whre my Medea Special did more damage than my Attack lol. It's alr ig

[muted tangle]

i rerolled and i shouldn't have bt it's FINE i got more magick regen

[bleak night]

Do you have Possessed Array or smth ?

[muted tangle]

yea i got it in erebus

[bleak night]

Ah, good pick then

[muted tangle]

ok heph screwed me over but it's FINE i'll just get Smithy Sprint or Molten Touch

TRUSTY SHIELD ON MINIBOSS LET'S GOOOO (i hope it's okay that i'm babbling here)

AND MINT CONDITION EPIC LFG

ok going into tart, all dds full health i think i got this

famous last words tbh but i'm feeling good about this run

[rugged moon]

how does pin function in fields?

[past salmon]

It's once per encounter as per usual

[rugged moon]

it just clearing the encounter that resets it? the wording on pin is no foes around

[past salmon]

It's clearing encounter yeah

[rugged moon]

okay, i think the time it messed up for me might have just been cause it trigged out of encounter

[past salmon]

If it triggers outside of encounter I believe the only way to save yourself is to leave the room

[rugged moon]

okay

i had a random rolling ball hit me out of encounter and start it

[muted tangle]

NO I WAS SO CLOSE I HATE THE HOURGLASSES THEY CAN DIE

that was such a good run

it's fine i got the nightmare so i can increase fear next time i wanna do skull

[stuck ether]

What fear was it

[muted tangle]

8

[past mist]

next up... 'how does this gimmick skull work again?'

[muted tangle]

help you're probably right (not if i note everything down into notepad!)

actually let me do that so i won't have to bother so much

[past mist]

(this was about myself, i'm about to start trying to 50f medea skull and i've barely used it)

(but big mood)

[muted tangle]

Medea Build - Hera Attack, Zeus Special, Demeter Cast, get Trusty Shield/Mint Condition in Oceanus

[past mist]

i've done 6 runs with medea, and only 1 clear. so this will be fun

[past mist]

oh that's neat, good boons

hope i get that lucky

[muted tangle]

that's what i was told works best

i got everything in that list and then i screwed up during Chronos by literally walking into his attacks and the fire ticker during p2

it was rough

however this run is going well i just beat up polyphemus no sweat
Mel blades, Aphro atk, Wicked Onslaught, secret crush, zeus cast, dem special, hearth gain, dem sprint

[magic moss]

why medea out of all aspects

[muted tangle]

why NOT medea

[past mist]

ellie said to do it to punish me

[magic moss]

i wish you the best of luck

[past mist]

for asking her which one to do next

[magic moss]

there are currently 2 14/15 clearers

they are both missing medea

so gl

[past mist]

if i get too frustrated i'll quit it

but we'll see. is the problem just taking lots of damage, or is it time?

[past salmon]

Medea is good guys I don;t get it 😭

[past salmon]

time is fine it currently has the 2nd fastest 50F clear

[magic moss]

medea very rarely loses to time, but it has an insanely steep learning curve

most out of all aspects

if you can get good at medea legit every other aspect will feel like a joke

except ig blades

based on what foolish is telling me XD

[past mist]

alright getting the hang of the.. base part of it i guess, although still taking silly amounts of damage

[muted tangle]

stretches that was a lovely run, Eris got deleted really fast

[bleak night]

Probably should've mentioned that you single-handedly decrease that weapon's average runtime in 50F lol

[stuck ether]

If you learn it, yes
If not, no its jot good

[tall notch]

How can someone finish Persephone and struggle on Medea

[past mist]

any tips on good hammers for medea?

[cursive oyster]

possessed array

[muted tangle]

possessed array is good if you can upkeep magick

[past salmon]

yes if you know dont know how to use an aspect its bad
incredible revelation

[past mist]

got a choice between sudden driver/fetching array/full salvo atm, but knowing which ones are the best ones like possessed is nice

[tall notch]

Possessed, bolstered, that thing where you get special power and dmg reduction

[cursive oyster]

colossus driver

[past salmon]

all kinda poo, salvo is good if u roll into bolstered later

[past mist]

it seems like it would make surviving until then frustrating though

[tall notch]

Fetching is funny if you already got bolstered too. It working on revs is peak creative use of game mechanics

[wise idol]

is that not a bug? it really felt like a bug

[past salmon]

its a bug coldshade is a fraud

[tall notch]

We call that creative use of game mechanics here

[wise idol]

lol

[tall notch]

Same for the 50% heal well item bypassing scars

[past salmon]

I swear they have upped the frequency of triple divide

all she does is split bro
help

[wise idol]

only time ive "creatively used game mechanics" is when I used born gain on mirrored thrasher for one of my staff 50f's

[tall notch]

I could swear someone found out she does it more often at lower hp. I'm not making that up am I?

[wise idol]

I dont remember that but I could be wrong

[past mist]

is tripple divide the lasers?

[wise idol]

no, its when they split into 3 forms

[tall notch]

It's when there are three Hecates

[past mist]

aah

makes more sense. i did notice a massive increase in frequency of the lasers after turning on fury. no idea what that means though

[tall notch]

I love that move as annoying as it is to play around, Hecate is amazing so more Hecate = more Amazing

[bleak night]

Don't make me clown emote you again

[runic hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFd6GiULkQ

Maybe... Maybe aspect of Charon with Apollo too broken?

[bleak night]

you can dash in the middle of doing an Omega Special btw

[runic hamlet]

Jesus christ

[bleak night]

time to level up your gameplay

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1259776129212874764/Charon_Heartbreaker.mp4?ex=670f6df2&is=670e1c72&hm=ff2d386f182098f3bd763e45165e421c3fe5440a943aad51ede3b7f486196c5a& old but still doable

[runic hamlet]

After V1.0 been released
Now need to rest
200 nights
All aspects on max
All covenants are made
Waiting for the release

[past salmon]

Charon is just broken, needs some kind of nerf

[bleak night]

Honestly, yeah. Though they did say the next update is major, unless that one is 1.0. Probs not

[past salmon]

imo
Moros and Charon - nerf

Eos Perseph Pan - buffed

Circe, Mel staff and torches - rework of some kind

[bleak night]

I'd honestly like a change to the Staff aspects

[past salmon]

I think Momus is fine, Circe should be reworked yeh idk about Mel aspect

[bleak night]

The rest have like really different properties to attacks and stuff, the Staff is just either channel speed reduc, Serenity, or Echoing Omegas

Momus should be left alone, while the others get something done

[runic hamlet]

torches with Hestia and Demeter sygil

Stacks 5000 fire with some attacks
Sygil has appears 10000 DMG IN THE FACE

[bleak night]

Would be really interesting to me if they made Circe's specials really quick with low base damage, make it feel kinda like old Momus without the damage, then you send out a really powerful Omega ? idk, I'm at a loss

[past salmon]

Base staff special needs a buff of some kind tbh, the move is just useless atm

[spare kite]

Ridiculous
Moros - charon BUFFS!
Eos-perseph-pan can get a buff as a treat
Circe - NERF

What do you nerf on moros anyways, explosion dmg to like 30%?

[past salmon]

Just fix the bugs lmao

Aspect is a lot weaker without hearth gain or huntress

[bleak night]

Isn't channel speed reduc just not working on Axe Omega Special or something?

[spare kite]

Ig that just throws it down to a solid instead of top yeah

[past salmon]

Eos O-Attack imo should have base faster channel speed

Perseph buff is weird idk what I would do to it but it does kinda need something

[bleak night]

I like how all the Torches just have unique properties to Omega Attacks that makes their gameplay extremely different

Then you have Staff and it's kinda lol besides Momus

[spare kite]

Staff ain't real

[past salmon]

Although maybe that's just a high fear thing, I think Perseph is pretty strong at low fear and it only rlly struggles at higher fear because of its reliance on Unseen

Maybe if we get some kind of magick related pet it would be fine.

Eos is somewhat similar aswell ig

[spare kite]

Inb4 they rework circe into an attack aspect and leave the hammers untouched

[bleak night]

You can argue Axe and Skull are also very unique tbf, but Blades and Staff just feel kinda weird

[past salmon]

Mel Axe and Than Axe are a little too similar imo

[bleak night]

They feel different at the start for the most part, but yeah it kinda becomes samey near the end

[past salmon]

They could replace Mel Axe effect with 30% attack speed and rework than imo

Noone uses Mortality effect anyway like 😭

[spare kite]

13% crit is a funny reference but yeah

[half sigil]

Just started hade 2 yesterday so I’m at the beginning pretty much. Got to chronos once just now and died right before his (I assume?) first health bar. Any good build with the axe that doesn’t require aspects?

[compact nest]

All axe builds are basically the same with the exception of charon.

Aphro attack for big damage, alternatively demeter for the safety of freeze. Apollo is also decent for bigger AOE damage but worse than the previous two. Use your m2 a lot, its a incredible defensive tool that blocks most things in the game just you have to tap it.

[half sigil]

I’m guessing m2 is the special? I’m on steam deck. And do you spam the omega attack? That’s basically what I did with cast

[compact nest]

M1 = attack m2 = special yeah

[compact nest]

Depends on the build, i almost never omega attack unless a hammer gave the incentive to do it

Plus IMO you need sorceress arcana to be able to do it safely

[half sigil]

Thanks for the advice I’ll try that. I was kinda grabbing whatever since idk know the boons. Oh and yea is there a good specific hammer

[compact nest]

Most of the time its just attack spam, practice timing dashing during the attack to be able to reposition mid attack animation

[half sigil]

You mean before the big hit

[compact nest]

All of them

[compact nest]

Good hammers IMO are the one that only makes you do your last attack, but it has 300 base damage which is insane damage output with characters like aphrodite.

The one that charges omega attack faster.

The one that gives you like 30% attack speed.

[magic moss]

Question for all the 50F runners and potential 50F runners, if I required that you guys fill out a sheet how many would consistenly do it

[magic moss]

Hell Splitter is really only good on thanatos, Mel Axe already has the base damage needed and the attack speed is too slow to get it safely out

[compact nest]

I use it to pretty good effect on mel axe even on max speed fear.

[magic moss]

i mean sure lower fears just about anything works, but as you get higher the slower attack speed can be detrimental and most of the time the last hit on mel axe isn't even used for most room clears in high fear

[half sigil]

In the last run I had a boon that let me still attack normally as I used omega attacked that’s mostly why I spammed it tbh. Ok that gives me a lot to work wit. Thank you!

[magic moss]

sorry i just want to preface i am very high fear biased so relative strength and perception of boons and hammers is very different from yours

[compact nest]

Gotta remember that most players play with minimal fear if any at all most likely

If you boil down to stuff that only works at like 50f gonna be a short list

[magic moss]

i know, but i do still think that hell splitter on mel axe is more of a meme build than something i would recommend for people new to the weapon

[compact nest]

Not something to actively shoot for, but its a good pick.

[magic moss]

I would argue hell splitter is the worst attack hammer for mel axe, but one of the best for thanatos

[compact nest]

I'd argue that anything that gives that much burst damage is worth it regardless even if its not as good as with the attack speed aspect. It works better with than but far from bad, negative or even worst hammer for attack.

[magic moss]

mel axe already has a very slow attack speed that requires getting used to, and hell splitter only decreases that attack speed even further. Yes it gives significant burst, but for mel axe it increases the risk of going for any attack significantly. For someone learning or starting to get the feel for mel axe, it is not a hammer you should be taking because it increases risk so much for very little payoff since you would need to commit multiple attacks to clear even decently spread apart enemies compared to only like 2-3 swings to clear a room/wave (eg. Oceanus spindle or serpent rooms). I'm not saying its bad, but among the attack focused hammers that axe has (including both normal and omega), hell splitter is the worst option available for mel axe

you really only start getting significant value out of hell splitter in guardian fights, but even then you would rather have the faster attack speed comparative to hell splitter and the ability to be more mobile. With hell splitter, doing an attack means you have to commit to it

[compact nest]

Dash attack exists to kill the small hp enemy waves plus cast as well. I was used to mel attack speed because it was literally the base attack speed before you got aspects, not exactly a hard jump. Its only a downgrade when you are used to thanatos axe, not after.

If mel axe was an aspect with 30% slower attack speed yeah i would agree, but even though its functionally the same you don't need to get used to anything about it cause its the default experience.

Could just be playstyle differences but when i was newer to hades outside of momus i never felt stronger than when i first found hell splitter. Could just be new player bias cause i liked seeing hp bars melt, but it was great.

[magic moss]

Thats perfectly fine, but I feel that is very much shrouded in personal bias but I will admit I have my own biases as well.

For the point of attack speed, the staff is the first weapon you use and it has a considerably higher attack speed than mel axe. The jump between the staff attack speed and mel axe is what I was moreso referring to when talking about slower attack speed, and it is a decent learning curve to get used to, especially if you don't know about special canceling. The third hit comes out very slowly compared to other weapon's attacks, and it makes you very vulnerable to taking damage especially for new players who don't know how to optimize their dash usages in the axe basic attack combo.

Dash attacks being used to kill small hp enemy waves alongside cast is good yes, but wouldn't that make Dashing Heave just objectively better? The +35 base power on Mel Axe makes dashing heave do 150 on base (half of hell splitter) with far faster attack and flexibility. It is also far more spamable than Hell Splitter attack and you aren't punished as hard for having to cancel out of it. In lower fears, Mel Axe's base power means you deal enough damage to kill most enemies even without the need for Hell Splitter on a full basic combo.

Rapid slash gives attack speed, making you deal overall more dps and increasing the fluidity of the weapon, Unyielding Slash gives you more power and defensive utility in damage reduction, Executioner's Chop, while it has a mana requirement, is equally as powerful as for newer players the mana requirement is just a default thing they think about and will go for gain boons regardless. Advancing, Furious, and Psychic Whirlwind are also all very good omega attack focused hammers giving range, flexibility, and mobility respectively. Hell Splitter, among the attack hammers, is just the worst among what is available

[rugged moon]

Depends what mean but probably?

[cursive oyster]

i would assuming i get another clear

[half sigil]

I mean eventually that’s my goal, in hades one I was hovering in the 40ish, so not super high but still.

[tall notch]

Idk if the question is still relevant but it matters on how much info you'd request. The fear leaderboard that was active before you did your thing asked for every boon and that was too much of a chore to bother with after a few runs. If it's just like a win screen, time and vod I'd do it

[magic moss]

i would just ask for message link to discord for victory screen, core boons taken, misc (eg hex taken if any, trusty/mint taken or the equivalent, pos taken, etc), time, and vod if any

not every boon, just the ones im currently tracking already

[rugged moon]

Probably. Could maybe just set up as a google form? Do a fill in for each 5 core boons and hex
Check boxes for trusty,mint poseideon. And then like a fill in for “anything else useful” like duos

Might be energy to setup but would save time on yours and ours to make it faster each run

[tall notch]

Personally, filling out each core boon would possibly border on too much effort for me

[rugged moon]

Would just be typing like three gods name?

By core boon just mean like “sworn”/“hera” in the one for attack. And like… most runs take 2-3

[compact nest]

tbh filling out any amount of data beyond submitting a screenshot is a step too far, let alone having them type out individual boons

Would put that on the organizer to decipher it from the boon list icons, not the submitter

[rugged moon]

Fair, idk i would be fine typing three/four words and hitting a few checkboxes as part of submitting to a leadboard list

[magic moss]

it would just be a pick the option for all the core boons, you dont need to type anything just pick the correct boon

[rugged moon]

Even easier

But yeah no im happy to help ease. I dont see a reason why need to make you do all the effort

[patent meadow]

something like that would be fine for me even if it isnt just core boon

[magic moss]

i just need to know what kind of options i have for the sheet coming into patch 5

[past mist]

i would. but i think a lot of 'potential 50f runners' wouldn't? if that makes sense

[magic moss]

thats my biggest concern

[past mist]

yeah. large difference from 'congratz on the 50! do you mind if i add you to the list?' and 'congratz on the 50! do you mind if i add you to the list? fill out this form!'

or, it could be a large difference

anyone who used your resources to get to 50f and actively participated here would probably be easily inclined to do it

but more loner style folks might be offput by it?

[magic moss]

yeah

eh im still going to add some level of automation to my thing

its probably just going to be me manually filling out the forms

[past mist]

automation useful regardless

[magic moss]

makes it easier then having to change each cell one by one

[past mist]

yeahhh makes sense

[magic moss]

right do you have access to the separate resources sheet?

[past mist]

the one linked in intro, or another one?

[magic moss]

linked in intro

[past mist]

yush do have access to that one

[magic moss]

ok

cuz i plan on expanding it and making it a general high fear guide

but dont want to overcrowd the 50F sheet

[past mist]

valid, i noticed the overcrowding issue too, good call

the misc stats are still currently one of the most useful part of the resources at the moment

so ends up having to use both documents as things are now

but that could be easily alleviated if you were planning to make guides for aspects/boon choices

(which we talked about yesterday, that sounds like a big project)

[rugged moon]

If want help i dont have a ton of spare time but sounds fun/interesting

[minor willow]

This is a stupid question I'm asking outta curiosity

But what's the H2 equivalent of an autopilot Demeter Crystal build

[compact nest]

Probably boreal gust + local climate omega cast build

throw in super nova and just run around the map winning not pressing anything except holding cast every few seconds

[tall notch]

Being in basically melee range the entire time seems like the opposite of autopilot to me

Patch 1 had Momus special spam which basically played itself. Right now I am... not really sure if a build like that exists?

[bleak night]

There is

[tall notch]

Is it the Melinoë kills Chronos by doing literally nothing build?

[bleak night]

It's the bonk build

[magic moss]

clang eos?

[magic moss]

TO ALL 50F RUNNERS OR WHATEVER THE EQUIVALENT IS FOR PATCH 5, PING ME WITH YOUR CLEARS PLEASE SO I CAN FIND YOUR CLEARS EASIER WHENEVER IT RELEASES

[patent meadow]

just in case there is my than axe 50F from yesterday whose not on the cheet

[magic moss]

have a record of that just havent gotten time to put it on yet

welp time to prepare the sheet ig

[vale gate]

bruh what no block

[dawn cape]

Yeah I think moving away from the block is potentially a mistake, unless they put the block on the new weapon instead

Even then it feels natural to be able to block on the slow and difficult to use melee weapon to give it a higher skill ceiling

[bleak night]

oh block is gone ?

Lemme test that ig

[vale gate]

echo nerfed gg

[rugged moon]

being able to choose the boon from echo makes that much stronger

[dawn cape]

From the trailer I think the shockwave barrage part of the special is still there but the windup is an uppercut slash instead of a barrier

So more damage, but you can't use it to parry attacks

[brazen ore]

are blades gonna go crazy now or am i foolish

im very excited about the concept of not having to hunt for hook knives and just always getting them

[dawn cape]

Sorceress's time-slow effect was also moved to a keepsake, which is probably a significant nerf but at the same time sorceress kinda significantly skewed how combat works

We do lose out on the funny thing with Kronos ignoring a core time-slowdown mechanic but we already lost out on it last patch from the cauldron thing that removes that resistance

[fringe lichen]

Coming back after ages (haven't played since the first patch), is the Hera mana boon needed into the ground already?

[vale gate]

i dont think you would ever want pom pom pom and it reduced the chance for double hammer/dds now

[south copper]

I think its still good

[dawn cape]

And as much as "Kronos is faster than everyone else because he ignores a time slowdown effect that is frequently used by most builds" is fun, gameplay takes precedence and I guess time slow every 5 seconds is boring

[brazen ore]

i do like the buff to boon boon boon, bc it was always a real risk about whether you would brick your run taking it or not

[dawn cape]

IIRC hera was nerfed a bit and most other mana boons were buffed up to the point where they're competitive with it

So mana boon choice depends on what your strategy is

[brazen ore]

what are a couple of the current Best Builds? i dont think ive played since patch 2 or whenever momus nerf was

[magic moss]

patch JUST dropped, give it some time

[brazen ore]

no i mean like what are the ones from the previous patch so I can think about how they will be affected

[magic moss]

do you want best builds for speedrunning, high fear, what kind

[brazen ore]

speedrun

[magic moss]

go to speedcord for that then

they're much more knowledgeable for that

also ABANDON IS TIERED????????????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[rugged moon]

the vow changes are interesting. no more suffering means that trusty is less required at high fear

[brazen ore]

OK, thanks

[magic moss]

GOD DAMN IT SGG AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

tracking is going to be much MUCH harder ;-;

[rugged moon]

yeah abandon is now a grasp limit instead of no stuff

[magic moss]

wait do you know if judgement works with abandon

[rugged moon]

probably does

[magic moss]

if it does AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rugged moon]

youd still need to be only at most 3 abandon

[patent meadow]

judgment 54f

[rugged moon]

because judgement requires at least one other active card

[magic moss]

god damn it how do i do this hmmmm

[rugged moon]

honestly, probably just dont track it imo

[magic moss]

if judgement works on abandon 51+ its so much easier you have no idea

[rugged moon]

oh i know

but tracking it is gonna be too hard

you can list the fear used but like, trying to figure out what was what is too much

[magic moss]

im going to baseline 50+ for the sheet as everything but abandon still

and 51+ is where abandon starts

[rugged moon]

of note: 55 is still no judgement

[magic moss]

yeah

ok ok this is whats going to happen for the purposes of the sheet 50F must be every vow active except abandon and 51+ for abandon you just have to show your starting arcana page as well

[rugged moon]

oh gosh there is so much to figure out the balance of everything changes

makes sense

and you CAN tell if abandon is active even from the 50f screenshot

[magic moss]

yup

[rugged moon]

i wonder if pan is better now

honestly the changes make me so fascinated on builds

trusty is WAY less required now although still really good

[brazen ore]

i do think anything with the knives might be a bit better. i hope

[rugged moon]

basicly doubled the damage of the special which was absurdly low

including now double applying the debuffs in the case of like scorch

[steel sequoia]

we are so back

[south copper]

glad I've been saving up gaia seeds

[brazen ore]

yeah, i really really liked the way the knives played but hook knives was sort of a must get, and if i didnt get it i wasn't gonna go very far very fast with them. having them automatically makes me psyched

[worn oriole]

I was still doing 50 runs like a clown 🥲 time to take a peeksies

[rugged moon]

the special change to axe is interesting

no block but decent damage. good for removing rebuke

[worn oriole]

Just dont exit the game and keep playing 🫡

[trim shoal]

Im at school rn 💀

[brazen ore]

dont let it update

turn off the internet on your PC and finish the run

[magic moss]

if you beat the 50F run within 24 hr ill count it for patch 4

[trim shoal]

wont happen probably, i still want to do 45 first (although might just send it before block is gone)

[magic moss]

go for it, ill count it if you can clear within 24 hours. Otherwise, I gotta start prepping for patch 5 for the sheet

[worn oriole]

Medea buffs, Foolish about to FEAST

Wow they just got rid of old dash huh

[rugged moon]

thing im noticing with pan knives is that cause start with hook is just really good for special spam

it pierces as default so dont need to omega

can just base special and hits every enemy in the cast

[short bridge]

How does the new weapon work roughly (if you guys have had enough time to unlock). I won't be at my PC for awhile and would like to experience it vicariously through yall

[rugged moon]

Havent had time

[indigo walrus]

Please don't try and dodge the swear filter.

[trim shoal]

I apologize, will not do that in the future

[worn oriole]

Am I bugging or are the arcana costs changed

[magic moss]

Alright 50F runners, here's what's going to happen in regards of the sheet.

Now that Patch 5 has reworked the Vow of Abandon (now Vow of Void) to be tiered, one of my major concerns is how to actually keep track of things since Abandon can be taken instead of certain vows and if judgement works with the new abandon things get VERY finicky. I want to hear opinions on this, so please vote by reacting to the message.

Option 1: In order to get on the sheet, every non void vow must be on to hit the 50 fear minimum. Any level of void above 50F (so still 51+) will count as a 51+ clear and will not be separately tracked like how it currently is bar 54 and 55F.

Option 2: Void can be used to hit the 50F minimum (eg. Abandon 2 instead of Rebuke 2)

Also, since lower tiered Void allows for Judgement, should I make it a requirement to also post the pre run arcana page to get on the sheet? This is primarily for the purposes of tracking, but want to hear some thoughts on it. (React Yes or No)

On a side note, I will probably start a new sheet for the purposes of tracking surface wins since it now has a victory screen and will have links for that sheet on the current one to not overcrowd the current underworld 50F sheet. This vote/poll will remain up until the end of the week (so about 72 hours). Until then, no 50 fear clears will be added to the sheet for patch 5

[worn oriole]

Just realized that option 2 would cause a flood of new runs, which would probably be a huge hassle for you. But on the other hand, spicy runs

[rugged moon]

Okay so theory craft time. What vow do you drop for partial abandon

[cursive oyster]

none of them abandon is still awful

[rugged moon]

yeahhh

i also didnt realize that the first tier of it was 40% less grasp

losing 12 grasp for one fear is oof

id take it over the like more enemies one if it was like 6-8

[patent meadow]

i cannot play rn but im a bit scared of the new vow of fangs

idk what nasty perks are but that does not sound chill

[mild phoenix]

benefits package gaming

[bleak night]

for some reason I can't win with the new weap

[magic moss]

#h2-builds-and-combat message vote

[brittle scroll]

came back to the game after 4 months, What is the most consistent weapon for 32+ heat rn?

is charon axe still strong?

[magic moss]

given that the new patch just dropped, i would hold off on saying what is and isn't strong yet but if you want patch 4 stuff then Charon and moros were top2 aspects

[bleak night]

Lost all my dds to hecate idk if washed

[feral mirage]

am i tripping or is the channeling grasp gone?

[magic moss]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[south copper]

if you make it to echo she can give them all back, and you can buy some from charon

[timber pawn]

No way for you to have gotten this context but mynt is probably running at 50fear. They've put a lot of hrs in

[silent crow]

hi guys

[magic moss]

hello

[silent crow]

someone did 55f right

[bleak night]

@magic moss died to Chronos I wanna die irl

[magic moss]

yup boated and foolish in patch 4

[magic moss]

on 50?

[bleak night]

50F feels harder because the armored enemies are cancer

[silent crow]

nicee

[magic moss]

yeahhhhh its what i expected

[silent crow]

i dont think ill have the time to grind this game super hard anymore but ig ill just keep tabs on what yall r doing

[magic moss]

the sheet is probably your best bet for high fear then

[bleak night]

Going to stop playing if I cant win in the next 5 attempts jfc

[vale gate]

haha no escape from benefits package

[bleak night]

Things take too much time to kill

[silent crow]

[dawn cape]

How does the new axe special feel?

[trim shoal]

Ok maybe kind of stupid but would a whirlwind build with raki be better in some circumstances for the armored enemy problem? (Aspect of Thanatos)

[tired fulcrum]

#h2-feedback message and here i was excited

[bleak night]

... Chronos at 2hp and I died

HAHAHAHAHA slowly losing it

[south copper]

I think it is better in melee to throw on whatever effects you have on it onto the enemy real quick, does more damage. Ranged slam still the exact same. No unreliable shield now.

[dawn cape]

I always thought of the axe special block as like a high-skill parry on a high-skill weapon, but I guess a more general-use ability is more fun

[slate zodiac]

So I recently played Momus and this weapon is so much more interesting than the original version lol

[tired fulcrum]

Block made charon a bit too safe, an instant nope attacks in that direction button plus being able to dash during omega special wind up meant it was pretty hard to take damage

[dawn cape]

Seems like from the description they moved block functionality to the new weapon at least?

[brittle scroll]

i'm new to moros touch, do you just cast omega special then spam attack button?

[compact nest]

Yes that was the play. Cycle omega special as soon as it expires and just spam attack against grouped enemies

[brittle scroll]

Got it ty

[rugged moon]

im struggling hard at 50f surface. just time. was 45s over when i killed poly

admittly i am using pan blades but still

ephrya rooms just feels so long

[magic moss]

theres a room guide you should follow

[tired fulcrum]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AxTDsvftkiIUlJaDqDcgL_L7AWJAZdGzPpZq8-vHxR0/edit?usp=sharing

[rare brook]

I haven't checked on Hades 2 for a few months. What is in play right now?

[rugged moon]

ah okay

i went to some bad rooms

anyway will see how this goes. i got a dd back from hermes after losing 2 to time in polys room

[steel sequoia]

im so so rusted or charon axe is way worse?

[rugged moon]

No block is a nerf for sure but otherwise its still fine with lucid

[steel sequoia]

i missed block like 3-5 times but i got overwhelmed

[rugged moon]

I dont think charon got changed at all other then block being gone

Ugh i wanna play more but im off to work

[magic moss]

#h2-builds-and-combat message 50F runners and those who want to aim for it please vote here

[tired matrix]

okay so Selene's Dark Side with a 2 seconds upgrade let me cheese out one of the new boss's Ring attack

[bleak night]

attempt 17

[rare brook]

How staff will be doing with this new patch?

[bleak night]

Yeah I'm losing my mind unironically

[civic ocean]

Update woo let's gooo

[steel sequoia]

im having a break and than ill dive into infinite deaths

[pulsar token]

does soothing sprint still works against nemesis projectiles?

alright somtimes it works sometimes it doesnt

[bleak night]

The Fear update is the most unfriendly to Melee change I've seen in a while

[frank crystal]

Is there a place where hades 2 builds are being posted? I'm having troubles finding some to follow 😦 Or even like, the optimal duo boons to look for - I knew for Hades 1 for Eris I wanted to get posiden dash and then load up on zeus ult and attack etc -

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[frank crystal]

tysm!

[kindred jasper]

what boon should i use for the regular attack with the special machine gun poseidon build?

[magic moss]

@past salmon what u think

[past salmon]

idk
I think limiting options for people suck

[hexed field]

what happens if you take a selene room when you already have ||sky fall|| from her new ||weapon aspect||?

[past salmon]

you get path of stars

[magic moss]

no like vote

[past salmon]

I did

[past willow]

I have been finding that vow of menace adds so much more waves. Is this suppose to happen? i thought it would just replace enemies with other regions enemies

[past salmon]

new vow names

[hexed field]

nova strike + siege frame + reaper frame :)

[magic moss]

Patch 4 50F End of Patch Stats
Total Number of Unique Clears: 248
# of 51F+ Clears: 4
Total # of Clears: 482

Shoutout to Foolish for having 117 total 50F clears lmfao
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[past salmon]

"Oh what's the Meta for Than Axe start. Medea start, Mel Skulls Start, Arty Blades start, staff start etc?"

"Sworn Strike"
"It's all Sworn strike?"
"Always has been"

[vale gate]

not sure how to build the 'coat' is it hammer dependent

[past salmon]

Zeus is very good on it

Blitz special, static shock etc

[pulsar token]

manm is it my impression or does sooting sprint is working inconsistenly now

sometimes it blocks sometimes it doesnte, even on the same projectiles

[past salmon]

since when was soot sprint every consistent

[vale gate]

man new weaps block doesnt work half the time

[pulsar token]

last patch i could make eris a cakewalk, now in the same sequence of attacks i take damage even sprinting non stop

[vast badge]

Does anyone have build ideas for aspect of nyx and how to use it? Not sure why but i'm not able to wrap my head around how to use it well, I understand how the main gimick works, just not how to take full advantage of it with boons

[fervent narwhal]

@vast badge heph sprint is pretty good or aphro attack wich works on everything mostly

[simple niche]

so all I have figured out is Aspect of Nyx + Posidon on specials for black cloak. I think I took 5 total damage my last run, absolutely bonkers

[vale gate]

i forget does night affect charon cast

[magic moss]

yes

[vale gate]

ko ty

wish they didnt remove panic

[mental sierra]

My friend has gotten Eris twice now in her first two times at the Fields :/ I was lucky to have only gotten her once in my runs so far

[fervent narwhal]

she doesnt show up ever again down there after run 10 or so.. shes just there to prevent you from getting to far to early

[mental sierra]

She’s not even at run 10, then that’s why lmao

[fervent narwhal]

oh

[mental sierra]

I just realized

[fervent narwhal]

thats very odd

wait no i misread, carry on

[spare kite]

Her appearing is also hp based iirc

[pulsar token]

shes there to make sure you dont the dialogue doesnt build up too fast early on

[spare kite]

Lower than 50% and doesn't show

[fervent narwhal]

she appears there every run for me since the release of the game but thats just because she likes me more

[pulsar token]

then you should get dying and reading some of the dialogue you build up

[mental sierra]

“I feel like I’m being punished for playing the game” is my friend’s opinion on the Strife debuff lol

I got lucky and only got Eris one time in my runs so far, so it does feel… bad for her to get Eris twice in a row

[pulsar token]

i never got eris so either on track or slow, either way doesnt matter

[mental sierra]

yeah it’ll even out eventually

[wary gull]

Hi guys, there's an optimal arcanas build to use? I use the same old build since the game day one, never changed and only now I want to know the optimal builds

[mental sierra]

it’s just unfortunate cuz it’s impacting her enjoyment :/

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing

[pulsar token]

its a roguelike, if things were always smooth it woulndt be one

[magic moss]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

1 More vote actually. Do you guys want Surface Clears on the same sheet just labeled (eg. different color font, some mark like S. [name], or something else)? React 1 for keeping it on the same sheet and 2 for having it on a different sheet

[summer seal]

Welp, looks like it's time to remember how to play after being away for months!

[past salmon]

Same sheet different page maybe? I think there needs to be a clear divide between them regardless

[radiant shoal]

Where does one acquire ||plasma|| ? I picked one up somewhere, but I don't know where.

[magic moss]

Then the issue is that it just gets way too crowded

[radiant shoal]

Wanting to unlock the second aspect for the new weapon.

[past salmon]

I think some of the other stuff can be moved instead though? Like maybe if we uhhhh cough made a guide or smth

[magic moss]

ive already moved the resources part to a different sheet altogether and we can expand on that there, its just clear wise its still going to be super crowded

[past salmon]

Idk
Maybe stop tracking repeat clears or smth? I feel like having Surface clears on an entirely new sheet will just be annoying, and I don't like the idea of them all being jumbled together on the same page eithrr

[bleak night]

Alright, managed to do 50F on all the Coats, time for a break

[summer seal]

How've you been building the weapon?

[past salmon]

Surprised you did an attack focused Nyx?

[magic moss]

yknow what ill move all the repeat clears to a different sheet and keep the main one as unique clears

[bleak night]

Base aspect: took me 20 tries, I bruteforced. Refer to Foolish's build
Selene aspect: I started Storm Ring, but you can start Moon Beam as well. If there's no Prism upgrade for your Hex, it's kinda doomed a lil.
Nyx aspect: Get Static Shock and it'll be funny

[magic moss]

that probably works out better

[past salmon]

This seems like the best idea

[bleak night]

I'll upload the Nyx run rq

[past salmon]

I'll have 50F Coat runs up in like 8hrs probs

Should have diff builds to Mynt so could be useful to people aswell

[bleak night]

you said Waves doesn't work on Split missiles, right?

[past salmon]

I'm probs gonna do Hera special Nyx and maybe use Death for Selene (moon beam start)

It seems like it could be good

[past salmon]

From what I could tell yeah, probs test yourself tho I wasn't super focused.
Would make sense if they didn't though

[bleak night]

I just saw it punch twice and thought it'd be funny. Static does work twice per hit, which is nice, but it'll def be better if you get the Dash Hammer. Idk don't watch my vid, I played like trash

[dawn cape]

The coat gives naturally higher sprint speed, right?

[desert mist]

what are good boons for the new weapon?

[low bear]

is the olympic update out?

[spare kite]

yeah #hades2-patch-notes

[low bear]

damn I thought it was just a trailer, alright something to look forward to after work, thanks!

[magic moss]

ok sheet should all be prepared for patch 5

just gonna wait until sat before i start adding runs

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMiWCszDTiU&ab_channel=Myntkaramell

[low bear]

oh wow we got pool of purging back

[steel sequoia]

damn even eris is beating my butt with axe, im playing poorly

[low bear]

oh damn no more axe blocks?

[zenith wigeon]

has anyone discovered if (relating to new boss) ||if prom's flame aoe attack can be parried||

[steel sequoia]

everytime it touched me it hurts so i just drop it in a corner

[bleak night]

Probs not gonna submit anything for surface yet

[vale gate]

hm so the way i see it selene coats' hex is budget zeus call

[charred seal]

The jetpack is crazy

[bleak night]

Yeah, though that thing felt like it was destroying the HPs of everything around me.

[charred seal]

I was SUUUPER original and went with Selene aspect + Poseidon special for my first try

Ill clang it up tomorrow

[bleak night]

I'm at a point where I don't even run special boons anymore if I can help it lol

I Storm Ring'd all three

[charred seal]

Aphrodite kamehameha on normal

[bleak night]

I used Storm Ring + Prominence Flare

[charred seal]

This weapon is so fun to play around with.

[bleak night]

It was unironically really good

[charred seal]

It feels powerful

[vale gate]

really? i must be using it wrong, it feels underwhelming for me

[charred seal]

My only gripes is that a) charging up the attack feels kinda slow and b) charging up the special lags a lot of you've done anything beforehand

[charred seal]

What boons did you run?

[vale gate]

uh i did a couple runs but previous one was with selene coat maxed hex tree, heroic lvl 3 or smth hera atk, rare lvl 2 zeus spec, rapid punch hammer whatever its called

also had scorch ring and the new duo that scorches blitzed enemies

[bleak night]

I just realized my Mel Coat run has 6 gods lmao

[charred seal]

I've done a single run and it was with Poseidon on special. It felt like a more comfortable pan knives build

Speaking of pan knives, they should be broken now

[glossy rivet]

does door vs jump pad on olympus mean anything? do i reach prometheus faster if i take jump pads and detour if i take doors?

[bleak night]

Jump pad lets you do the Heroic entrance thing based on what I tried

The heroic entrance lets you instakill what you land on, which is kinda fun.

[edgy brook]

I haven’t been playing for a while, does death defiance restore less than before because because how is Prometheus eating them up so quickly

Also other than his memorisation attack, how am I meant to avoid most of his other attacks

[spare kite]

Still restores 40% afaik

[edgy brook]

Has it always been 40 and I didn’t noticed? I thought it was usually 50

[past salmon]

Aspect of Selene might be the greatest thing ever created

[kindred sorrel]

what build did you go? felt underpowered when i was trying it out

[past salmon]

I just start moonbeam and pick up what I can.
Zeus on special is always good

[bleak night]

@past salmon check dm

[spare kite]

Yeah, 50% in h1 to 40% here

[jolly basalt]

How do I dodge ||prometheus’s|| phase transition attacks?

Is it remember the patterns and dodge simultaneously?

[spare kite]

Is simon says yeah

[dawn cape]

Is it just me or is running no death defiances now the meta?

Strength provides 50% DR which is a bit insane (and +25% damage on top of that), and doing that enables one of the new keepsakes that gives you an extra boon during the run

[bleak night]

that sounds fun. Give it a go and lmk how well it is

[jolly basalt]

Also, where is the dog familiar?

[fervent narwhal]

@dawn cape thats what ive been doing since the patch released.. not a high fear runner but i havent needed dd in a long time, besides now that raki exists i have someone else that is not toula anyways

@jolly basalt echo

[bleak night]

is Raki any fun ?

[fervent narwhal]

i just like damage and its automatic compared to toula, crits very often and a crit is never wrong

i mostly used toula for fish anyways

toula needs a rework asap honestly, literally everyone is better

[lean plank]

does anyone know if poseidons gain procs with each hit of the knives for the omega special

[pliant dust]

can someone explain what the difference, if there is one, between taking the ground portals and the (for lack of a better term) wall portals are in olympus?

[dawn cape]

The ground launchers get you airborne so you get to slam down and I think that's about it

[lusty heron]

The trampoline =D

[analog osprey]

sort of a free wolf howl?

[dawn cape]

Basically you get to choose a landing site and instakill whoever you land on

It's not that impactful overall and you can't really strategize with it, but it is funny

[analog osprey]

oh so its an instakill? only got one run in today before i have to go to work
didnt hit anyone so i thought it was just a free wolf howl cast

ty for info

[rugged moon]

late reaponse but on low fear i agree because you can just heal the damage but at least on high fear dds are a source of healing with overall more potential including that you can buy or get dd to replace missing ones as essentially a form of healing

[trim shoal]

died at chronos on 50F, i miss block so much already

[vale gate]

can u use coat ospec to scan for the real hecate when she split 3-way?

[magic moss]

So I said in the voting that I would give it 72 hours but honestly across the board its pretty clear what the majority agree on so this is how the sheet is going to work moving forwards.

To be a valid run for the sheet, you will need a valid victory screen showing a clear on either the surface or the underworld at 50 Fear. Please turn on the in game timer so I can tell the difference between Underworld Clears and Surface Clears, but if you just outright tell me that's even better. If you decide to use the Vow of Void on any level to hit the 50 Fear minimum, you must also show your arcana page before the run begins.

No recordings are needed, but it would be helpful of course for people who use the sheet as a learning resource.

I'll do all the stat tracking and recording manually again, so please try to make it easy for me. Thanks everyone, and Good Luck on your runs! Death to Chronos ||or Prometheus if you decide to do surface ig||!

tldr: Same as always, only main difference is if you run Vow of Void at any level just also give me your arcana page

[rugged moon]

Out of curiosity, why is important? I feel like judgement is just like, harder they any other option anyway

Just for data tracking of judgement or not?

[past salmon]

Wdym

[rugged moon]

Whys it matter for the sheet if someone uses judgement or not

[past salmon]

Tbf I'm not sure about the showing arcana thing either? Maybe just something Mini wants to track

[rugged moon]

Showing arcana is explicitly to confirm judgement or not

[past salmon]

You can tell if it's a judgement run from the grasp count on victory screens anyway tho

[rugged moon]

Not if abandon is in play

[magic moss]

i mean that was the 2nd part of the vote and a lot of people voted yes so https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296280679453036645/image.png?ex=6711b6f5&is=67106575&hm=85d317b14b234584ee58a1e313eaffcd387cdb779b2123997dbee69a466da04e&

[past salmon]

I mean why would you not be running judgement with abandon on?

[rugged moon]

Fair mini,

[past salmon]

LVL 3 abandon is like 6 grasp right? You would have to try really hard to not have judgement active lol

[rugged moon]

Its three cards not grasp

[past salmon]

Mistype

[rugged moon]

Oh yeah

[magic moss]

like i dont need an arcana sheet, i just want one for tracking but people are saying it should be a requirement so alright ig

i can remove the req if it gets too annoying

[rugged moon]

Ill be honest i might try start doing judgement runs if only cause i dont really enjoy 5 minute timer

[magic moss]

it also helps in making the recommended arcana pages as well

so

[rugged moon]

Oh this reminds me i wanted to rght feedback on abandon feeling weird. Cost wise

[magic moss]

any boons you want me to currently track? @past salmon @bleak night

[past salmon]

Nay

[magic moss]

ok so just core for now

[muted tangle]

what's a good Strike for Xinth?

[magic moss]

im tracking divine dash

[past salmon]

Is ddash even good.
Is it H1 or like, worse

[magic moss]

idk but tracking it regardless

also has any of the core boon names changed?

[past salmon]

Some
I think Hestia gain?

Keepsake usage imo would be super interesting to track actually but it unfortunately requires people to actually tell you that

[muted tangle]

Hestia's was renamed to Warmth Gain, tragically

@magic moss

[rugged moon]

So weird a change

Dont like, already didnt like the hestia is labeled goddess of fire instead of hearth

[muted tangle]

yeah she's the hearth goddess, that's her thing; apollo's the god of fire

[tulip sonnet]

no sorceress slow is going to get me next run

like. i love you sorceress slow with parry because processing eleventy million projectiles makes my head hurt

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296285613955350608/image.png?ex=6711bb8e&is=67106a0e&hm=54eca1bb55ca02360fe32381c9cfb29749edf71f3b8c801d2265f33b1a040455& at least aphros not alone

should I still track poseidon yall

[tired fulcrum]

why do armored enemies get to polymorph me

[past salmon]

Imo no

[magic moss]

im automating it so it should be easier actually

[past salmon]

I just don't think it's super relevant
You can see his usage by core boons anyway

Heph could be dropped aswell tbh, suffering is gone and mint got nuked

[zenith wigeon]

does anyone have a build reccomendation for taking on Prom? Specifically with Axe

[tired fulcrum]

Idk why they thought the circe remove a vow thing was a good idea

[magic moss]

im just going to track it just to see the difference (like does not have heph vs has poseidon_

[frail sparrow]

Anybody got any tips for beating Eris? Everytime I get to her I always struggle, I get maybe 50% of the way to beating her but fail miserably... I'm heavy into using Than but I feel I'm making a few mistakes

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1296294859241685022/image.png?ex=6711c42a&is=671072aa&hm=f5a4c91664a8f010e46b672dec4a6078e6e50b02cc23a732f92c9afa608eeae7& silver wheel charon work

[tired fulcrum]

Its mostly staying either behind her or behind a pillar and watching her tells

[boreal wind]

Heyyy, anyone knows which boons are good for the new weapon?

I came back to the game from a long break

[zenith wigeon]

Thank you! Running right now an aprhodite melinoe aspect and gonna see how well it goes

[frail sparrow]

Appreciate it, but what do I do when the pillars are gone? Just try time a dodge so I'm able to avoid the damage?

She's been the biggest hurdle for me so far, I've beaten Chronos a couple times, but Eris gives me the most difficulty right now

[tired fulcrum]

When she does the pink rail shot you can sprint/dash in circles around her and she should miss instead of using the pillar to tank it, you should have enough damage to kill her before the pillars are gone

[frail sparrow]

Ah so I don't need to rely on the pillars too much, but they're good to have there before the disappear

Genuinely appreciate the advice bud, hoplefully I can get past her and onto the new zone

[tired fulcrum]

bruh i swear i used the pick in olympus wheres my adamant 😭

[mint lotus]

im having a hard time with the new patch i feel i dont do any damage, does yall have any cheese builds i just wanna win

[trim shoal]

Y’all think an Aphrodite build would work for 50F aspect of Thanatos?

[tough vapor]

ive been enjoying apollo attack on xinth, gives em a more comfortable reach.

with a heroic apollo attack, the hammer upgrade that gives full charged omega attacks a buff and the demeter omega attack boons, ive got them dealing 1035 in a MASSIVE area

[muted tangle]

thanks friend! appreciate the advice, i did end up going apollo so it's all worked out

[obtuse cape]

I have to say Nyx aspect is insanely strong.

Just overall strong, it can utilize most gods and most of it's upgrades are effective enough.

However, Shimmering Rockets will clear a room regardless of aspect.

Mel build is far stronger for pure attack builds though, especially if you're going Aphro or Poseidon.

I can say no matter what build you're own Riser is insanely strong and may get nerfed in an upcoming patch.

If you have enough speed buffs on an Aphro it stunlocks entire rooms of most mobs with hitstun loops.

Which is pretty easy to get with just max rank Mel and one Nitro Boost really

But Heaven Flourish will literally let you delete most of the bosses.

Because Nyx Aspect spreads out so much, it lets you do staff poseidon special strat, but now with homing, and you can just build blitz instead and have raw DPS.

[bleak night]

I mean, I found Selene stronger

[magic moss]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOON TRACKING GOOGLE SHEET AUTOMATION DONE

[bleak night]

Damn, nice

[sand crow]

It's good to be back with a brand spankin new update!!!

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296312322884763739/image.png?ex=6711d46e&is=671082ee&hm=2759cc71b50abaedd663d70667920518b9b68c29376845d3c9b21743ca1157c8& this is up on the sheet and will remain for like a week before being taken down. Purely made for fun

[orchid fog]

does anybody have an easy like, eight heat setup for going down? I think Vow of Time is pretty obvious as a freebie but I'm not super familiar with the rest of these conditions

[bleak night]

The gold cost one, the enemy from next region one, the timer, Forsaking, and the Priming ones are all good to take for 8F

That'll be around 12-14 in total, so you can take your pick

[past salmon]

oh
my game just crashed
;_;

[bleak night]

What room were you at when it crashed

[orchid fog]

I only need 8 since no bounties are higher, but I'll keep that stuff in mind

[past salmon]

hecate

[bleak night]

Fair enough, yeah

[bleak night]

Mine didn't crash yet, but it did have slowdown issues in some areas

[orchid fog]

what's the current meta for the staff? aka just some neat strats

[bleak night]

@magic moss

[orchid fog]

I don't have the Aspect of Circe at all

[magic moss]

i mean do you want some fun builds or strictly good builds

[orchid fog]

but Momus and Melinoie aspects are maxed

[trail rampart]

Yoo Prometheus is hard

[orchid fog]

I'm playing on 8 darkness and the bounty is on Eris with the staff

[magic moss]

so strictly good builds?

[orchid fog]

yeah it would be nice

I don't think I can just Momus/Poseidon anymore that was nerfed

[magic moss]

do you have all the arcana unlocked?

[half sigil]

Funny I came to ask the exact same thing lol. Just unlocked the oath thing and didn’t understand how it worked until I cleared 2 runs already

My first unlock is on staff but almost haven’t played it

[orchid fog]

yeah but only 29 grasp. I think they rebalanced the arcana though cuz I have 30 points used but only 29 available. I'm afraid that if I change anything I'll be locked at 29 properly intsead of this glitched 30 lol

yeah it says 30/29 in red but I can still go on runs

[magic moss]

yeah ok so I would recommend Hera attack start with her keepsake and using the roll arcana to roll on the Miniboss door for Demeter for her cast Arctic Ring. Hera's Hitch + Demeter's Freeze is enough to proc origination, which gives you a lot of damage

[orchid fog]

only explanation I think is that there was rebalancing on the costs and they don't forcibly deactive any

[magic moss]

you could also play for Zeus's Storm Ring and Static Shock, both of which are also very strong boons

[orchid fog]

man I wish I had max grasp but I need 2 darkness from Chaos gates

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1296314739130892340/image.png?ex=6711d6ae&is=6710852e&hm=9d38774c89ad496788082d1cea02620253c3d62e7d98f0f08e481c97f2d1fcb2& lmao the dio boon hides your health bar even in the victory screen

[analog ether]

So, how's everybody finding the new weapon?

[tired fulcrum]

seriously how close was i to dying

[orchid fog]

I dunno how to get the Adamant material it needs and looking it up just gives me results for the Adamant Rail lmao

[tired fulcrum]

When dracon mini boss plus shadow clone tougher than prometheus

[analog ether]

It's a mining material from Olympus

[orchid fog]

ah so just go up

[analog ether]

Yep

[orchid fog]

do you have an arcana setup for the staff that I could just copy?

also what aspect do you recommend?

[magic moss]

i mean the arcana cards got changed but gimme a moment

[orchid fog]

agh this is gonna suck cuz I only have 29 grasp

[tired fulcrum]

we really went from gun to super jetpack

[analog ether]

Ah-ah-ah. Mel is a witch.

Magi-tech jetpack.

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1296315965088202833/image.png?ex=6711d7d2&is=67108652&hm=a0d05a3b38eaf478fe684b228c41595cacb252ca7fdf5d6075865fe11b165412& probably something like this for 29, I would recommend momus

[lunar valley]

Replaying after a couple of months. Haven't got the feel for xinthe yet. Any tips?

[magic moss]

xinth like just released, prob ask in like 2 days if you want good advice

[orchid fog]

you're a lifesaver

run... begin!

[magic moss]

make sure you're using ocasts and oattacks whenever you can, its some big damage

[bleak night]

Probs check out some run vids to see how it's played

[lunar valley]

Mhm alrighty

[bleak night]

I mostly learn off of other people tbf

[analog ether]

First impression:

Omega special feels kinda iffy because of how long it takes for the projectiles to hit, but they do pack a punch.

[frail sparrow]

Used your advice and managed to get her to 1/4 health before I unfortunately got hit and died, I need to get better at not taking too much damage before getting to her, the death defiances come in so handy

I'm so mad at myself for messing up so bad, but made better progress so I feel better about it yknow lmao

[analog ether]

Okay, Athena's boons are interesting.

Some old ones, Deflect Special/Dash, Impervious after taking damage.

And then there's Stalwart Stand:

Gain +1 DD that replenishes in each Location, but Prime 150 Mana

[rich shard]

is the new weapon that good i just got it and it seems really fun already

[bleak night]

[wild pine]

So far it feels really good to me at the start of runs because you have so many nice chonky moves, but I'm having a surprisingly hard time putting together actual builds I feel happy with

The hammers aren't great, the omega attack does not have good dps versus bosses, neither attack nor special is the obvious build around ...

[analog ether]

I could maybe see a Poseidon Sprint build? It really moves and feels fast.

[rich shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046270804763086910/1296321164473532467/image.png?ex=6711dcaa&is=67108b2a&hm=075137dc2c078cd43640d364e88666d9bee60e75f76afaf795f5ba06c5ed1372&

uhh whast this about

(the green and the skull)

[frail sparrow]

That's one of your arcana cards is it not?

[rich shard]

I have never seen that green before

[frail sparrow]

I feel like I remember seeing something about doing bonus damage or something when that symbol is there

The fact it's green, I have no idea

[rich shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046270804763086910/1296321791416860713/image.png?ex=6711dd3f&is=67108bbf&hm=dc2124beb445873a836f4ca8127ab67381d9d06ed74aaa0b6a91b4746e744afc& ah oke the skull has been figured out

still dont understand the green, only lets me charge to 5

[frail sparrow]

Idk if this is true, but I feel like it may just be affected by what ability you're using there

[rich shard]

I checked my boons I dont have anything that should be doing this

[frail sparrow]

May just be visual, I didn't see anything in patch notes regard that

[rich shard]

its gone now weird

It lets me charge my special to 15 again huh

[steel sequoia]

i legit think if ive bought the ||frozen lifespring|| id get access to some life restore, but i didnt find it yet, its underwhelming spent resources on stuff i dont see

[mental sierra]

oh I did not know I couldn’t use “sugar honey iced tea”

regardless, omg I can’t believe I got to 1/3 health for my first try against ||Prometheus||

I just gotta do better next time 🍀

I’m still just in awe of how intense that fight is lol

[frail sparrow]

Eris can suck a fat one

[clear pilot]

Just fought the new boss, switched on godmode for the story, got absolutely curb stomped. It was a really slow build with the axe and I stood 0 chance.

I'm not great at it anyway, and it had been a few months since I had last played but. Dang. Does the cast not hold any upper level opponets and bosses?

[surreal hazel]

Aim at enemies. You need target locks

[keen moon]

Did they get rid of the arcana card that slows down time when you old cast?

[desert shell]

Does strength apply when you have cat/lucky tooth defiances?

[frail sparrow]

Finally beat Eris, took me long enough but chaos keepsake and Aph's boons definitely helped me there

[inland bobcat]

I haven’t played the game in months very excited to try out the new weapon

[frail sparrow]

It's typical that when I make people i'm in VC with choose the boons on random I make it the furthest I've gotten so far, that's insane

[hybrid turtle]

I beat Chronos for the first time trying to make the stupidest built I've made, so I'd say there is some merit to that strategy

[frail sparrow]

Honestly, I feel like not worrying too much about your build helps out so much, every time I've just had someone else choose randomly, I've done so much better; yet when I try make a good build, it never works out

[magic moss]

you should really only start worrying about build at 32+ fear

[analog ether]

That's now Hecate's Keepsake.

[magic moss]

if you're just looking to clear, you would be harming yourself more by trying to get exactly what you need for a build

[dawn cape]

Seems like Zeus is the best aspect for rocket spam coat builds

If you omega special a target and then go in to melee it you can pop blitz like 3 times from one omega special

[analog ether]

Any % boosts on its melee is good. Not quite as good as the axe of course, but it's still some chunky damage.

[dawn cape]

Or just spam the special with nyx to blitz an entire wave of enemies

[short spoke]

Yo does anyone have advice on how to beat Eris? It feels like I'm bashing my head against a wall, I can beat any other boss reliably but I can't beat her to save my life

[analog ether]

Stay behind her as best you can.

Bring Frinos, he's kinda useful for blocking projectiles.

[short spoke]

I tried to do that with the dagger, but omega cast doesn't work to get behind her when she hugs the walls

Frinos is a good call, didn't think of him

[magic moss]

soot sprint

[short spoke]

That Hestia?

[magic moss]

yes

[analog ether]

Her dash.

[short spoke]

Word

[analog ether]

Blocks her projectiles (most of the time)

[magic moss]

just dont get too close, keep sprinting whenever she starts firing, and dont run into fire or explosions and the fights free

[analog ether]

Doesn't work quite as well if you have the enemy speed vow up (makes her projectiles fast enough to hit you before the boon can cancel them)

[magic moss]

tho soot sprint is not that good for olympus so care on that

[short spoke]

Not only do I not, I had Medea's bullet speed reduction on and it still felt like hitscan at points

[analog ether]

Yeah, Eris's bullet speed is pretty fast to begin with.

[hollow crypt]

I have Melinoe Torches with Blood Line and Explosive Intent rn, man my Magick just disappears

[analog ether]

If you can get a decent Zeus/Apollo/Demeter cast build going, I've found it's also fun to lead Eris in a merry-go-round with the pillars.

If you can lure her up against one, then you can sit on the other side and repeatedly cast.

Doesn't really help towards the end of the fight, since she starts jumping all over the place, but it's fun to do while you can.

[hollow crypt]

note to self: AVOID THE DRACONS if I have Vow of Shadow, man that was painful

[dawn cape]

Anyone know how Athena keepsake interacts with losing death defiances? If I'm, say, struggling vs Kronos and bring the keepsake in just before the bossfight, does that mean Athena just instakills a phase once I lose all my DDs?

Seems like she shows up ASAP once her conditions are met, but she might need to wait until the room after where you lose them to pull a divine intervention

[unique perch]

Is skull bad now im using media and it doing barely and damage to eris

[past salmon]

Medea got buffed

[unique perch]

this fight has been going on fo over 8 minutes

[dawn cape]

Probably a build issue, what's your build?

[analog ether]

Okay, that was a little funny. Had a run get stopped basically as soon as it began.

An Eidolon projectile got sent offscreen in the very first room of a Surface run, making it impossible to complete 😆

[unique perch]

i dont have one

not been getting anything that works together

[faint oyster]

Feels like omega casting's a lot harder now that it's limited to Hecate's Keepsake.

[unique perch]

Didn't charging with the skull give you invonrablity

[timber pawn]

Nope, only the omega

[unique perch]

Ya i used the chaged Y and still took damage

[flat epoch]

Does anyone have any ideas for coat builds? :0 I did a test run w/ Aphro on Attack and Poseidon on Special (my usual for sister blades), and while it does work I just wanted to see if there were other builds that made better use of the new moves

[dawn cape]

Nyx aspect with zeus special

You slam into an enemy to activate the nightfall mode or whatever it's called, then spam the regular special which then splits into two more projectiles each time it hits, and all of those proc blitz

Blitz on the omega speical also synergizes really well with a rapid-fire melee if you have enough attack damage, since the missile hits are delayed it can trigger multiple blitz hits on the same target

Zeus can also give you chain-lightning on hit which adds even more damage from your rapid-fire basic moves

[past salmon]

Pretty sure split rockets can't proc any effects, including blitz

[dawn cape]

Is that so?

[past salmon]

It can set off the blitz tho so it's still good

[dawn cape]

Yeah, and the special is just a good blitz delivery platform even without the cluster rockets

Also the rest of that build is pretty flexible so it can work with almost anything

For instance one run I had poseidon sprint to hit harder on impact, in another run I had hera attack and did some interesting hit-and-run playstyles where I'd go from enemy to enemy since the hitch damage from the later enemies would finish off the earlier enemies

[sand crow]

Anyone like Seething Marauder on Axe? I don't know if that's preferable to Rapid or not

[bleak night]

It works on each tick of Omega Attack

So your Omega Attack is basically +600 damage

[desert mist]

does hestia now have the best magic restoring boon?

havent played in a while and got hers randomly yesterday and it felt like my magic never went down with a rare version

and born gain got nerfed to the ground

[bleak night]

Depends. Some aspects kinda are fine with Ionic, since they go Zeus for Storm Ring or Blitz already anyway

[desert mist]

good to know?

also whats the early general consensus for good Black Coat boons?

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon stonks in shambles

[desert mist]

would like to use it but i feel like my damage is a bit lacking

[bleak night]

Dunno, but I did 50F vids on all of em already. Probs check the vids, but I just randomly built

[desert mist]

will do

[timber pawn]

Getting Athena dd refill from boon boon boon was a crazy pull lol

[bleak night]

[tired fulcrum]

You what

Skill based rng moment

[bleak night]

Need a link? Though gotta say, my builds aren't optimal. Still testing stuff out

[desert mist]

no need already found it

[past salmon]

lol??
I haven't actually watched your clear vids yet dfid u actually get athena refill from boon 😭

[bleak night]

I did Prominence Flare + Storm Ring lol

[bleak night]

Yeah, I did.

[past salmon]

this guy is blessed

[bleak night]

[desert mist]

how do you get nightmares again? is it fear stuff?

[past salmon]

testaments, charon shipments, prophecies and broker

[bleak night]

Foolish has some builds that also work, if you check his submissions in #h2-victory-boasting

[past salmon]

I'll have vids up soon(tm)

getting murdered by the good ol Australian internet rn

[bleak night]

Oh, the buggy vid got saved?

[past salmon]

yeh

[timber pawn]

Complete nonsense

[past salmon]

I have actual real person builds and not storm ring spam 😭

Storm ring is kinda just the chuck it on anything boon I think
I tend to try and not use it, I would rather the highlight of a build be on the actual aspect/weapon itself

[bleak night]

Storm Ring is funni

[green nymph]

How much more damage does intensity make lunar ray really do?

[analog osprey]

how's the new strength feeling

the -50% dmg received and +25% dmg dealt IF you have no DDs

[past salmon]

from what I'm hearing its a viable alternative to Eternity, atleast for low fear

[green nymph]

also is word of greater girth multiplicative or additive with boons and arcana

Anyone know?

[past salmon]

everything other than crit in the game should be additive

[analog ether]

From my experience so far, most things are good on melee, since it already hits decently hard.

[celest pecan]

i just sodomized chronos on my first try with the black coat

[celest pecan]

chain lighting is really good, it absolutely shreds on the dash attack, aphro is always solid

[desert mist]

gotcha

[analog ether]

The Hex on the Selene aspect has some pretty good buffs.

[green nymph]

Does attack speed actually change anything with hell splitter

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah you bonk faster

[onyx trench]

black coat is so sick

melted grandpa on my first run down south and then got stomped by polyphemus (again)

[green nymph]

Wait does divine dash remove soot sprint or not? It doesn't say so but I don't remember a dash slot

[tired fulcrum]

Pretty sure its just in addition to your dash boon

[green nymph]

Alright now projectiles are totally fake

[desert mist]

the transitions are so cool dude

this update in its entirety is so sick

[hollow crypt]

guys how we feeling about vow of shadow

[past salmon]

it's fine

Deep serpent is insanely hard all the others are just a little harder imo

UW wise
Surface wise Ephyra and Dragon are super hard aswell actually

[hollow crypt]

I think it's fine for most but man did I get cooked by Dracon

[candid radish]

dracon was hard though lmao

[glossy rivet]

where do i get raki the raven?

[candid radish]

idk how to actually do dracon.. i put on my cool cape and try to stunlock it as best i can by spamming attacks 🫡

[jovial terrace]

super goated hex

[glossy rivet]

also coat special: flat dmg or % boons?

[bleak night]

Both work, really

Just not rly Scorch

[glossy rivet]

tfw no hammer to make coat shoot even more rockets in the ospecial

[bleak night]

Closest one is blocking with O Attack launches 5

[glossy rivet]

whats good with coat rn im thinking aphro attack

poseidon sounds great with the rockets too

[bleak night]

You'd probs want Hera or Apollo more

[glossy rivet]

coat attack is best to use the omegaAtk right?

[bleak night]

Not rly, ngl. Kinda mixed playstyle. Can go full attack, full special

[glossy rivet]

goated
i can play as the revenant from doom

[bleak night]

There are some 50F runs up already if you wanna see what works

[glossy rivet]

does mel aspect makes omega charging faster too?

bruuhh

[bleak night]

Don't think so, maybe I'm wrong

[candid radish]

its just atk sprint and move speed

[glossy rivet]

"omega moves are faster" on sorceress means the charging time too right? or just the actual swinging?

[bleak night]

Was watching a friend earlier play Momus, his Omega Attacks came out quick

[robust prism]

yo good to be back, just did my first run in a few months and cleared surface

which coat aspect do y'all like most currently?

don't know what to level up first

[charred seal]

Selene

[bleak night]

I'd say Selene but like it's not the most intuitive or easy to pick up and play

[charred seal]

Carpet bombing ancient Greece

[robust prism]

interesting, how do you play it?

[candid radish]

i feel like i'm still getting the hang of coat LMAO ive been cruising around with aspect of meli.. it's fun to move super fast

[bleak night]

dm

[past salmon]

Selene

[charred seal]

I usually go Poseidon into hera/Hestia to try and make my O special cost more, so I stack Selene faster

Poseidon for special boon

[robust prism]

gotcha I'll go with that one first then

[bleak night]

3/3 Selene lol

[tulip sonnet]

i'm just now remembering i haven't fought on 40 fear on the surface for a while.

ephyra truly took all of my dang dds

[tribal wedge]

How does the the axe special rework...work? It looks the same to me

[desert mist]

no more shield i think

[mellow frost]

doesn't reflect

it was a good change, that shield reflect was a cool idea on the axe but not very practical

now you can just press special and do damage instead of sitting in front of the enemy spamming shield lol

[glossy rivet]

Ive met raki and hecuba but how do i make them my familiar though?

[tulip sonnet]

okay. now. can i ask how do you dodge the boulder throw from polyphemus

[desert mist]

just get the hell out of dodge

[surreal hazel]

dodge through the shockwave

[timber pawn]

For speed I like Mel, little niche though

[timber pawn]

Have to meet them a second time

[past salmon]

I imagine Mel is the only super viable one for speed.
Like... Maybe Nyx, I guess?

[timber pawn]

Nyx is... Probably okay?

My build theory is mostly revolving around blitz application

[past salmon]

Blitz goes hard

[timber pawn]

So faster specials and attacks is pretty good, and movespeed is A+

Especially for fields

[past salmon]

Yeh

[glossy rivet]

blitz on coat special?

[bleak night]

It's good, yeah

[robust prism]

I got myself the blitz special on my first coat run rn before reading this so that's cool

I also got the hammer that sometimes fires your special when hitting enemies with your attacks so that seems like a pretty convenient combo

[bleak night]

that one is pretty good

[desert mist]

man i just cannot get a win with the black coat

unfortunate

[loud ice]

Yo do yall know if the damage bonus from local climate effects the Aspect of Charon

[surreal hazel]

It's a generic cast damage bonus

All forms of cast damage are increased, but it stacks additively with charon's cleave cast bonus

[loud ice]

ic
thank you

[toxic blaze]

my goodness why is the trial of haste such a pain

[surreal hazel]

Use the shop

It skips two encounters

[lament spoke]

has anyone made like. a beginners guide to the coat or sth similar. i Cannot get my head around it the punches feel So clunky

[opal saffron]

I also struggle with it, but very specifically the block. Compared to hades 1 it feels like 25% of attacks in this game are just straight unblockables, stuff like Polyphemus's Shockwaves I have not blocked once

[past salmon]

That's because shockwave attacks are unblockable

[opal saffron]

And stuff like the new Dracon fire ? I remember three seperate fire breath attacks in a row entirely ignoring the block, or Im doing something wrong

[heavy palm]

Any thoughts on this Arcana layout? I'm enjoying it even despite the lack of DDs (new Strength makes up for it): #h2-victory-boasting message

[past salmon]

Unseen seems odd.
Have you tried just starting Hecuba and getting a gain like halfway throughish

Also you should try Death on Selene, it felt quite good

I want to try new strength, I'll give it a crack tomorrow maybe

[hollow crypt]

my god the surface HURTS

also I don't like how floaty the cloak is ngl, more than I few times I drifted into an attack expecting to stop

[glossy rivet]

where do i meet them btw for the second time?

went to echo again but no hecuba in sight

[heavy palm]

If I take Death or Night (the other surrounding ones of Moon), I lose Queen since they are the 3rd for their cost.

I'll see about tweaking it to take Death instead.

[past salmon]

Queen is fake anyway

[heavy palm]

Fake?

[glossy rivet]

how often does athena appear with her keepsake can she show up in underworld? i turned of DD already

[past salmon]

Just RNG better, then you don't need Queen

[heavy palm]

I'd have to drop Fates to take Death, which is not a bad thought tbh.

[heavy palm]

Did you take Toula? I think that counts against Athena.

Yes, just RNG harder ... why didn't I think of that 🙂

I mean if I drop Unseen and keep Fates I'll still have rolls.

So ... maybe.

[past salmon]

Dropping Unseen makes sense to me
It's kinda mid

[bleak night]

I'd use it if it was 3

[heavy palm]

I'll try Death and Furies instead then. RIP Queen.

Punchy Xinth is fun times.