h2-builds-and-combat

[past salmon]

I do suggest you attempt some 50F Judgement runs btw
I have choked like 4 on Medea at Chronos P2 now lmao
Its fun while still having the excruciating difficulty you seem to be craving

[civic ocean]

I like what im doin now but we'll seege

[barren juniper]

Folks, I literally posted a video with Blitz nearly phasing Chronos on low heat. I get that it can deal lots of damage. The requirements to get that kind of damage are far tighter than with other builds. I'm annoyed with the delay, internal cooldown, and other mechanics preclude different build options.

Like why does overlapping 2 hits of Charon axes omega special and a cast not pop Blitz multiple times? It'd be more interesting to me if things like that were possible.

[past salmon]

ok you don't personally vibe with blitz
Unfortunate
Maybe there is an argument some stuff could be done with it
But I know a whole lot of people who really enjoy Blitz including myself

And in terms of strength, it is already good enough

[barren juniper]

Heck, if they simply stated on the boon, triggers at most once per X seconds I'd be cool. Reading the boon, theorycrafting cool stuff, then doing runs and finding that they don't work is annoying.

[cunning pollen]

I'd never take blitz with the express purpose of meatgrinding mooks via the axe oattack

I can apply it with a regular attack, proc it all around with the aattack, get out

The oattack is super risky anyway

In my use case it's a 100%+ gamage boost to the combo

Blitz is a crowd clearing curse anyway

[barren juniper]

Well yeah, because it doesn't work like the video I posted months ago shows. If it did work like one would expect, that'd be an interesting build to look out for IMO. Pretend to be Axe Thor or whatever.

[cunning pollen]

Eh, see it in action once, you get how it works. Doom didn't list it's delay either, SGG don't go into that level of detail

The timings are left strictly to the player to figure out

I do agree they could shorten the lighting-hammer fall animation a bit

[barren juniper]

Doom actually does list delay. I think durations for various effects were listed as well.

[cunning pollen]

Delays weren't

But shortening the animation could make the engine processing calcs wonky I guess?

Since it needs an intermediate delay to count itself for origination

They added that a patch or two ago

[drowsy kraken]

Moros + triple comet + freezer burn + white antler = profit (doing like 90-150 dmg per hit just for manaless special)

Does anyone know if triple helix is still in the game tho or is that replaced 🥹

[round remnant]

uhhh does zeus/apollo duo boon not do anything if you have zeus cast already

[barren juniper]

Triple's still in.

[round remnant]

I assumed there would be.... like more lightning or smth

[drowsy kraken]

Thank gawd

[round remnant]

but the damage looks the same

[drowsy kraken]

I don't like 90% of apollos duos idk 😭

[tired turret]

I love Apollo duo's for certain situations. But yeah his are definitely more supportive

I love using blitz on moros special

[drowsy kraken]

I would genuinely be interested in doing an apollo run bc I like his core boons but the duos are either weak (boreal gust) or, in the case of the zeus/apollo cast duo, unreasonably expensive mana-wise 🥲

Its sad tho bc I love his core boons and his daze/support boons. Id say maybe the aphrodite heartbreaker duo is the most fun, hephs is hard to utilize but number go up so it scratches me brain I just won't bet on a good run with it

[glass tapir]

Zeus/apollo is fine with good mana regen or with the hermes boon that makes omega cast cost less. Also heartbreakers are amazeballs.

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah you have to have a lot of mana haha, can't be me I prime at least half my mana on the average run

[glass tapir]

The Zeus mana regen is good since it regens all your mana

and Glorious Disaster takes a long time to channel

[drowsy kraken]

I can imagine thatd be super useful if thats your playstyle but sadly not for me hah

[glass tapir]

Huh, so with Tidal Ring and Lucid Gain, you can generate unlimited heartbreakers

Especially if your omega cast is quick

I guess that's already true with charon, but this is faster

With like Mel staff or whatever, you can mash out a bunch of Tidal Rings real quick and just be surrounded. Apollo duo boon helps.

Something like Blood Line also helps.

Er, not tidal ring, Geyser Spout. The omega cast one.

[past salmon]

ok like
I'm a big fan of making cerb harder
But can we remove the Frinos griefing me interaction now k thx

[west summit]

What did Frinos do…

[tired fulcrum]

Explode our faces

[west summit]

I guess I play with Toula so often I didn’t realise the interactions that Frinos would have with Cerberus

[drowsy kraken]

Triggers cerberus' flame burps I think. The ones that expand

[west summit]

Yep

[spice summit]

Haven't tried the aspect of Artemis yet, but I'm wondering. So from what I understand, you charge your omega attack and wait for enemy hits, and there's a chance you'll trigger a counter? If that's right, doesn't that mean you're gonna be taking damage on purpose? I'm not really getting how that's supposed to work?

[drowsy kraken]

You have a shield of invulnerability for one hit, and then when you release the attack you get an attack bonus

And it can block anything including usually unblockable boss moves

[spice summit]

Oooh, that does make way more sense!

[surreal hazel]

Glorious Disaster kinda needs Air Quality to work well, it benefits both aspects of that omega detonation

but triple your cast cost is... a lot

also it's slow to channel, which feels like the bigger problem, especially given that you get things like hailstorm triggering for free

[glass tapir]

It is very slow.

[drowsy kraken]

Yeah stuff like that hurts on a 5m timer lol

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1264152296405602314/20240720192943_1.jpg?ex=669cd512&is=669b8392&hm=eca6321664abf58078437f38ecd0d6ebdbdeee33f99dccda30456b28ad6e69cc&

Yeah guys I definitely agree 5 minutes to get to fields is pretty rough
wait wdym its 5mins to get out of Erebus?

[surreal hazel]

but hey, at least Glorious Disaster works now

unlike Dying wish, which seems nonfunctional currently

[past salmon]

yeah is it broken

[surreal hazel]

just seems to do nothing

[past salmon]

how cool

[surreal hazel]

might be some spaghetti from the "on death" thing engagement ring now does

I've F10'd it

There's also a lesser bug where Glamour gain doesn't inflict weakness on anything in the same location you acquire it

which is normally not a problem, unless it's a trial room or fields

[tough pasture]

did chronos get a buff in this mini-patch after the latest patch?

Or is it the game just adjusting to me walking in with >350+ points of health plus 4+ death defiances?

He's been going HAM on me using his spin attack.

[surreal hazel]

Not to my knowledge

and there's a new bug, Glowing coal fires twice with Exceptional Talent, despite it being a cast effect. Oops

[dapper hill]

just had an insane run with geyser spout and dark side path of stars to make the cast be the omega cast, use enough magick then pop dark side and spam cast 😎😎

[surreal hazel]

ah yes, I found this before too, did you have Lightning lance too?

[dapper hill]

unfortunately not but i thought thatd go good with it!!

[surreal hazel]

it totally does, lemme dig out the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw89MeARRsw from a few patches ago

[west summit]

It’s not new

[dapper hill]

oh niiice!! i had apollo in my pool so i was hoping for prominence flare but i didnt get it, lucid gain went hard tho

[surreal hazel]

prominence flare is not desirable

you can't cast until it's finished flaring, and the upfront cast damage is better

[dapper hill]

oh right, i wasnt aware you couldnt cast till it was done, probably good i didnt get it then 🥲

[surreal hazel]

Solar ring tho

[dapper hill]

i had heph on cast but he didnt do anything for the omega i dont think, so a bit of a dud boon

[surreal hazel]

Anvil ring sadly isn't that great

As a standalone thing, it's completely fine, but it just has zero combo potential

it doesn't even count as haptestus blast damage, since it's Cast damage instead

[dapper hill]

i was wondering wether it counted, cause i was thinking of doing a love handle build with it

seems weird it doesnt since smithy sprint counts?

[surreal hazel]

Nah, but Posideon/Haph duo does (or should)

Smithy sprint and the two volcanics have those beige numbers to indicate it's haphestus damage, Anvil ring damage is white, meaning it's a core damage type

[dapper hill]

i love the different damage colours so much

[surreal hazel]

and getting three free procs of blast effects in one free cast would need a severe rebalance of other boons

love handles, as you say, but also grand caldera would be so laughably busted too

[dapper hill]

true

ive been wanting to get apollo legendary on melinoe torches for an omega special build but no matter how hard i try he doesnt want me to have it 😭

[surreal hazel]

Literally just ended a run with that

absolutely murdered my omega attack though

[dapper hill]

yeah that was my worry aswell, but then i thought i could use that to get my hex up consistently

[surreal hazel]

hearth gain did a lot

and thankfully, overspending on your omega attack disables the omega aspect until you let go, but hearth gain starts working again

[dapper hill]

oh thats a nice interaction

i find myself jittery attacking on torches sometimes to try avoid the omega 😭

[surreal hazel]

hearth gain just cares that the attack hitting isn't marked as "omega"

so oddly, mirrored thrasher (double attack for 5 magicka) still triggers hearth gain twice

[dapper hill]

ah thatll probably get changed id imagine?

[surreal hazel]

that's the most recent change to it

Is great with the new spirit surge, as is torch omega attack

by which I mean "it's the only way to make the new spirit surge worth it at all"

[dapper hill]

i liked pairing it with zeus sprint tbf

[surreal hazel]

that seems to be the natural design for it

thunder sprint is quite hungry for the damage it does though

also spirit surge doesn't proc at the same rate as sprint does, which makes it a little wonky

[tough pasture]

Alright, i just did a run with my preferred build (heph sprint) and it definitely feels different.

chronos is spamming his scythe spin attack more.

And in phase 2, when he does the semicircle orbs to freeze you, he wasn't attacking me before. now he is...

either i've suddenly gotten a lot worse versus chronos in the past 48 hours or something has changed.

[surreal hazel]

doesn't seem to be for me, but maybe the script was tweaked

[tough pasture]

i do think the script was tweaked a bit. it's how showing version 0.94707. The july 16th update had a 0.94 number but I can't remember the last 3 digits but i seem to recall them not being 707.

[surreal hazel]

that's just the overall build version, I mean Chronos' own script

[cloud scarab]

succeeded on my 32 fear run on the surface, then attempted below and died in Chronos p2 😦

[pliant swift]

Does anybody know what the best cast boon is for the charon aspect of the axe?

[limpid coral]

probably freeze

[tough pasture]

i don't know about best but I prefer to use apollo's cast - he has two. (I'm thinking of the one that has a big column explosion.)

/i play without origination...

[spare kite]

Prominece flare is bad for charon

[pliant swift]

I just want a cast that does damage when it expires instead of right away or dot

[tough pasture]

That's alright. Keep trying...I find that getting rid of the hourglasses in part 2 of phase 2 makes it a lot easier..

[spare kite]

But yeah realistically just take whatever cast gives you origination

[tough pasture]

Why?

[spare kite]

Can't place another cast while the effect is going off

[pliant swift]

What’s origination?

[spare kite]

+50% dmg when enemy has 2 curses applied (arcana)

[tough pasture]

one of the arcana cards. when upgraded, it gives you +50% damage for 2 status curses on an enemy.

[pliant swift]

Oh ok ill try to fit that in thx

[spare kite]

Your cast already chunks for 400 with max lvl charon + furies + uh the cast power arcana

So you are better off just constantly blowing up the cast than having prominence flare stopping you from placing another cast

[pliant swift]

I have the cast arcana maxed so its already great i just wanted to know if there was a better cast

[tough pasture]

right...but isn't apollo's prominence damage be added on top?

[spare kite]

You can blow up like 2 extra casts while flare is going off

[tough pasture]

so which ones do you recommend?

[pliant swift]

Apollos cast does damage right when you place it so i dont think you get that much more from triggering it right?

[spare kite]

Ideally maybe Demeter's? Defense is defense
Or if you want even easier origination, apollo's/hestia's + dem cyclones

That way you don't need a curse i your special

And can use apollo special instead

[stoic pecan]

Yall Fine Tuning+Spiteful Strength mel blades is fun ash

[odd ruin]

question, what god boon should I add to the pool my current pool is poseidon demeter and zeus

[tall notch]

Aphro

Third water god, you'll get to assemble the water infusions maybe

[odd ruin]

eh never liked aphros weakness mechanic unless there are other broken boons I'm not aware of

[tall notch]

What weapon are you playing?

[odd ruin]

blades

was deciding between apolo or hera

[tall notch]

I suggested Aphro because getting Demeter's infusion (requires 6 water, caps your damage taken at 15) pretty much wins you a run

And Aphro has water boons

[odd ruin]

poseidon on atk, demeter on cast, and zeus on cast and the chain lightning boon

[tall notch]

Oh yeah passion dash would be very good with that setup too

[odd ruin]

kinda cracked that zeus's chain lightning doesn't take up the attack slot

[tall notch]

The "prime 50 mana" is the cost you're paying for that. Very good boon though, true!

[odd ruin]

I mean is that really a cost though

a lot of cast boons can activate on the basic cast and not the charged one

but I'll try that out next time I run into aphro

[tall notch]

Yeah it is, very easy to lose all of your mana bar if you click static shock. And even in manaless builds you usually want to have enough mana to keep huntress active

[odd ruin]

luckily posseidon has some really good mana regen along with that one arcana that regens some every second

[marsh lantern]

does anyone know if killing chronos counts as a guardian kill for the Judgement arcana?

[vital ledge]

Does anyone of the 40+ fear crew remember if they ever finished a run without trusty shield and/or mint condition?
For me it seems like, the later I get one of those two, the more I pray for echo to give me my death defiances back.

[silent crow]

yeah finishing runs without them is possible but way way harder than doing without

[tall notch]

my Meli staff 50f didn't even have Heph in the god pool

But most runs do have at least one of these 2 boons

Suffering change helped a lot, trusty isn't outright required to deal with the rooms

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message i'm crying we just reversed the hestia-pos arguments from patch 1

[tired fulcrum]

[silent crow]

SCORCH IS GETTING NERFED TO 30DPS NEXT PATCH

[civic ocean]

Honestly just a small lil buff for Poseidon is fine

The difference in area of effect between what hestia can hit and what poseidon can hit is pretty humongo

[somber thistle]

Wait really? I love scorch ):

[silent crow]

no

[tall notch]

Yeah, unlike patch1 Hestia he just needs more numbers

And he'll be fine

[bright token]

a bit ranty but he is not wrong, poseidon is a good deal behind other gods now. he has a few pretty good suplemental boons but everything core is very bad

[civic ocean]

I like waves a lot

[bright token]

i like how they look

but the god's boons don't synergize well with each other and they are slower than other gods for both aoe and solo dmg

[silent crow]

yeah poseidon has no actually good t2's for waves

[bright token]

i'm doing mel axe runs rn (btw no idea how some of you guys think it's superior to than) and i sloted room rerolls in instead of vs guardian shields just to reroll selene and poseidon

[silent crow]

just luck into dashing heave harder

[bright token]

thanks for the tip

[spare kite]

Oh yeah I'm not saying is wrong lol
Just laughing about it cuz is kinda the same arguments against hestia in patch 1

[bright token]

can anyone recommend an app for recording that has minimum system load? i'm tired of recording only chronos fights, i want to upload at least one full run but obs load system too much and windows inbuilt recorder is janky, you can't even alt-tab to take care of other stuff and resume

[silent crow]

:3 i also have no idea erebus is so tough on mel axe

it probably scales better lategame tho ive heard ppl complain abt how than axe does no damage later on

[silent crow]

im still using obs wiht my graphics turned all the way down

[bright token]

everything is tough on mel axe because of this cursed 40% enemy speed, things recover from stuns and shank you inbetween your swings

[silent crow]

rebuke 2 is killing me harder

i can manage 40% enemy speed with the block but the two blue hearts is so cancer

[bright token]

man, why can selene still appear as the first reward... i need to wait for enemies to kill me through all dds and then listen to this loser which i've beaten at 50F mocking me

[tall notch]

She can only appear as the first reward if you're not using a god keepsake, it's punishment for the gambling

[stoic pecan]

do cyclones trigger origination?

[silent crow]

yes

[bright token]

lost on time vs chronos 3rd time in a row

the moneybags are cash money for his coward butt

literally all my 50f runs success is decided on how many these rat bags are in tartarus

[bright token]

took the droplet for a change and that's what i get

[mint estuary]

how do people activate the omega attack immediately? like the staff for example when i hold attack it makes me attack like 4 times then activates it

[tall notch]

Turn off autofire (or whatever the name is) in accessibility options

[mint estuary]

alright thanks

[tall notch]

@fair narwhal is my favourite h2 streamer rn, y'all should watch him the next time he goes live

[silent crow]

froag

[fair narwhal]

that guy stinks

[silent crow]

😔

[surreal hazel]

Geforce experience?

[bright token]

is it low load? i have some ptsd of using any geforce software

[tired fulcrum]

They count as a curse but if you have both freeze and cyclones only one gets to count towards origination

[bright token]

https://youtu.be/fz8dgFd1Otc

[modern prawn]

I'm thinking of doing a special only run, any op special build recommendation?

weapon doesnt matter

[silent crow]

charon axe

[warped harness]

is it that special is your only damage source like you cannot use the cast ring

[modern prawn]

yep js for fun

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1264331858049630271/image.png?ex=669d7c4d&is=669c2acd&hm=aa1c21184d7aba897c869db36fc0fea215c8e41408418b157ffe97b2531fd4b1& click on a major right after activating another fight in fields, then proceed to wait 2039 years for everything to wander into thorns

[fervent river]

i hope this is ok to post here, but if it needs to be removed i understand. i'm the author of the damage meter mod, and plan on adding some new features to make testing builds out easier. adjustable skelly health is at the top of the list, but was curious if there were other things that would be helpful. can't promise i'll implement everything but i welcome any ideas 🙂

[mild phoenix]

the speedrunning server might also have suggestions

[fervent river]

ah good call, i never joined that one. i'll do that. thank you 🙂

[civic ocean]

Devastated

[knotty fulcrum]

you are really atempting staff 55f?

[civic ocean]

Every monday!

I'm working up to 55 with skulls on wednesday, flames on friday, axe on saturday (but I'm sick today so no stream)

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok so you're trying everything. I tought that someone actually likes staff

[tall notch]

I know someone who very much likes staff!

[civic ocean]

I mean staff is my 50

[knotty fulcrum]

who:))? mininet?

[civic ocean]

And I probably have like 300 55 attempts by now on it

[knotty fulcrum]

oh you have only 1 50f?

[civic ocean]

only one 50f

[vale gate]

Have you left erebus

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean no disrespect ofc 1 50f is stil very good

[civic ocean]

Nope, not yet

[tall notch]

Eos was my only 50f for a little while too

[vale gate]

We pray

[knotty fulcrum]

like I struggled for mine too

and that was moros and that's just almost easy

surely have to get some more 50fs

but that doesn't really sound too fun just playing 45 or whatever is like enjoyable

[civic ocean]

I'll probably do a volume challenge for 45 in August yeah

[knotty fulcrum]

tbh I was having trouble with 45 a week earlier

and now I just did 2 45 first try

so maybe you actually get good at this game

[magic moss]

ive been far too busy with irl stuff to play h2 recently but i do want to try some 55 staff

its not gonna go well at all in any capacity

[knotty fulcrum]

I really don't understand how you can like 50+ f

[magic moss]

considering i havent played the game in the past like 3 days

[knotty fulcrum]

I was thinking about quiting when I tried

[knotty fulcrum]

ok then I understand

today I was really in the mood but I lost a run and didn't feel like playing anymore

[tall notch]

I don't understand how people can like fear levels where you play the abandon vow. Anything below that can be fun if you are doing it with an aspect you like

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah that's what Im saying getting one shot CAN NOT be fun

I understand the challenge ofc but other than that I just can't find any fun in it

and Im here to challenge me to do some insane stuff but more than 50 at this point seems pain + unrealistic

[bright token]

i tried speedrunning for a bit. felt like a pure casino, one less chaos gate or one more big room and all your skill doesn't matter

high fear feels much more interesting to play

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah I feel like higher fear is less rng at least at like 50 with the right aspect

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1264366858413408306/image.png?ex=669d9ce5&is=669c4b65&hm=50705af34ded5a39ae846b83ec892da05d1f327d148d50dd732fe39d714c92c0& honestly for my 2nd attempt not bad but also how tf do you have the motivation to do this @civic ocean this feels ass to play

[civic ocean]

Stop worrying aboyt winning runs and start worrying about winning rooms

You basically just get sharper and sharper and then wait for the god luck

At some point you're going to get good enough luck where 12 seconds over 12 rooms is going to decide whether or not you beat hecate, so get good enough to shave those 1-2 seconds off of each room

[bright token]

you need too much luck on top of luck with the staff imo. i'd go with the axe for 55 attempts

also if you learn to block with it you'll get better odds not screwing up vs guardians and in bullethell rooms

[vale gate]

whats the worst part of abandon ignoring less damage

is it the dds or the rolls or something else

[tall notch]

Which axe would even work for this, though? Charon is more or less disqualified as a heavily mana-using aspect, Than doesn't deal enough damage and Mel might be a bit too slow. I think Foolish is onto something with Moros being the most likely to clear 55f

[bright token]

than is enough dmg imo

moros might be better for dmg but i have no idea how are you supposed to go through the game with no dd and no block

i mean you can luck into heph+demeter and all the stuff but it's just yet another layer of rng

[tall notch]

It struggles to meet the timer with arcana unless you highroll out of your mind, without all the buffs from arcana the dps check is much tighter

[west summit]

I haven’t played Abandon much but I guess it’s those you mentioned. Dd gives more chances and more room for error whilst rolls keep the rng from being too too demanding

[vale gate]

does the delayed dash thing not matter much?

[tall notch]

Onion Erebus is hell without Artificer in general, that is just not something I am willing to attempt currently

[tall notch]

Delayed dash is honestly fine, I believe it has more iframes which sort of compensates

[vale gate]

might even consider deactivating it for something else for non-abandon runs

[past salmon]

It's actually so funny with Charon
Best aspect in the game until specifically 55F where it jumps off a cliff
You can't even start using O-Special after you get a gain, you need a magick pot on top of it lmfao

Mel axe is probs in my top 3 most likely to clear 55F
It's basically just dashing heave simulator though
You get dashing heave early and it's doable, you don't and it's pretty much bust

[vale gate]

modpack when

i wonder if 55 will be beat by 1.0

after that itll probably be free

[past salmon]

55 will be beat when EM releases

Nah I might actually just dedicate a week to grinding 55F at some point

I should just get it out of the way

[vale gate]

i assumed the rest of the fears would come along with 1.0

[bright token]

https://ibb.co/jk5YqC4

[civic ocean]

All of it

[past salmon]

They will come earlier most likely
New Vows are definitely something SGG will be looking for feedback on

[bright token]

tried it one time. this is no arachne and no middle shop

[civic ocean]

Mel Axe, Moros and Mel Skull?

[bright token]

so 4 mins at least should be possible

[past salmon]

Yeah I think so
Honestly Medea debatabley has an advantage over Mel skull, if you can manage to just not take damage for literally the entire run lmfao

[civic ocean]

I have gotten to hecate with 53 seconds with staff but I died

[past salmon]

Than has a pretty easy 55F Erebus the problem is you get to cerb and it takes 8 hours to kill him

[civic ocean]

Part of the problem is that if you get all the skips you're weaker

You have to hit:

Skip luck
Room luck
Boon luck
Hammer luck
Wandering luck

[past salmon]

Maybe I will try a staff 55F for a bit just to see what's up lol

Because no Oceanus entry in ~300 attempts is kinda crazy

[bright token]

well that's true

axe doesn't have any lulOP hammers to get enough dmg without arcana

[civic ocean]

I ain't good

[bright token]

and the one strong hammer it has is very bad vs rebuke

[limpid coral]

Hell splitter pog

[past salmon]

Idk I think staff is also just bad

[civic ocean]

Post patch it's pretty crazy

[limpid coral]

With old er would hell splitter than do something

[civic ocean]

Crazy bad I mean

[silent crow]

[past salmon]

Didnt patch like
Only nerf staff

Ok yeah lol

[past salmon]

Hell splitter is usevle at 50F
It's not good
But it is useable lmfao

[bright token]

the only weapon that will have enough dmg for timer despite mediocre luck is medea but if you are playing that weapon at 55F you should be checked in mental institution

[past salmon]

Mynt and Mini both had clears with Hell splitter, I nearly had one but choked Chronos like a goofball.

The problem is the hell splitter clears are all like high 19m clears and then the other clears on Axe can be like ~17m for than and literally 14-15m for Mel Axe lol

[limpid coral]

so once the modpack exists ppl will just do droplet and dashing heave start right

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1264386080119980204/Screenshot_20240721-105841.png?ex=669daecc&is=669c5d4c&hm=c524240cbb36774e0ee0593778a5a3653062ada7bce555572fdac43e89dd5d7e&

[bright token]

how are the white walls?

[past salmon]

I have a tart entry on 55F Medea
Greatest fluke of my life ong

[bright token]

yeah and the guys next door are debating who will be the next US president (not far from actual reality sadge)

jk, that's some mad skill too

[silent crow]

what does your personal weapon tierlist look like wtf

[past salmon]

Like my own personal strength with each weapon? I'll send it later if you want

[silent crow]

yea yea

[tall notch]

Eos is s-tier right

[silent crow]

eos is S tier for me though tha tmay just be the aspect being braindead

[limpid coral]

ive played too much blades

still sucks are u talking how well u can play it compared to how good or bad it is or

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264320306848206851/1264321661545484300/20240720213946_1.jpg?ex=669d72ce&is=669c214e&hm=341dfa3b6d09a365d9f61036e9d5bc0d5f9946d607c1951c69d0332e0a8809f1& I cleared 50f judgement with Eos (don't mind the 40 at the right, I totally didn't do 40f and turn the 4 on the left into a 5 with microsoft paint)

[limpid coral]

less gooooooo

[silent crow]

i was looking at the right of the screen and was like "wdym u didnt change anything"

[bright token]

i was doing good on than and then the tracking melee attack on miniboss
how tf was it not fixed yet

[silent crow]

which midboss

[bright token]

the stalker or what's it called. the spine spitting one

[silent crow]

oh yeah that melee is brutal

i think its easier than the other one tho bc u can tank a needle to negate suffering

[vale gate]

ohh yeah

today itll be 3 weeks since i got this game i should do 50

[magic moss]

bro i was this close to adding this to the sheet mf

[tall notch]

Do you actually have a separate part of the sheet for judgement clears?

[magic moss]

no just as a 50F clear

cuz i look at the top left for confirmation its a 50

[tall notch]

There could've been Artemis blades added to the sheet, but I choked once in Tartarus and once on Cerberus

[past salmon]

But but I have been segregated

I'm not allowed to be with all the cool people anymore

[vale gate]

run specific question triple/clean helix/ sustained spark for moros

[past salmon]

I'm a fan of clean but they are all good
Triple is probs the worst here

[vale gate]

oh i figured more of your attacks would hit the specials

[tall notch]

I am a big sustained fan

[past salmon]

Oh triple is still good
Just out of the options I think it's probably the worst

[tall notch]

Though I am not as much of a Moros gamer as Foolish here, I only did one attempt at 50f with it

[past salmon]

Imo clean is probably the best. It's just more uptime on Ospecial while also making it safer

[tall notch]

Is this for 55f? I don't think you need the extra safety on ospecial with sorceress

[vale gate]

and saves time right

[past salmon]

Both I think
Idk you don't really need the extra dps of sustained

For 55 specifically Clean skyrockets above almost everything else
You take clean Helix over candle in 55 if you get offered both early

[tall notch]

I like sustained on all torches because the extra movespeed never hurts

[past salmon]

Well yeah
Sustained is great
Like probably 3rd best hammer

[silent crow]

what do we feel abt inverted spark mel torches

[past salmon]

Idk I haven't used it since the change
Probably still just not great

[vale gate]

is fluid gain usable on moros

[past salmon]

I think it's pretty poo
Just run Hestia keepsake

Actually fluid is like
The only gain other than fixed that I don't have a Moros 50F clears on
Yeah it sucks

[silent crow]

oo hows tranquil gain

[past salmon]

Poo

[vale gate]

is that demeter

[past salmon]

Everything except Born Gain and Hearth gain kinda suck tbh 😭

Lucid and Ionic are the 2 best out of the rest

[tall notch]

Do you guys also feel like Heph's gain could use a rework? I can't see myself running it in anything other than some psycho DR stack build

[silent crow]

yes

[tall notch]

Magick builds can't rely on it, magickless builds don't really want it either as you'll just turn off your huntress

[silent crow]

it probably isnt even good in DR bc of glamour gain

which is the same thing but better in every way
unless you really want 10% dr from snipers

[tall notch]

If you really wanted to go all in on stacking DR, you'd be getting weak elsewhere (dash/cast) and getting another 10% from Heph regen

[silent crow]

isnt getting daze somewhere more worth it

oh well either way it blows

[tall notch]

I might try messing around with DR stacking in anyfear to see just how small I can make Chronos hits. Thinking something like active strength+Hera legendary+weak+Heph gain on Mel axe

[silent crow]

theres a skull hammer that gives u 30% dr during the special

[tall notch]

Ooh right that is a thing too. Maybe with all that Medea is actually playable

[vale gate]

how do you guys not time out in erebus i simply dont get it

[tall notch]

What are you trying to do? What fear and what weapon?

[vale gate]

50 and pretty much anything that will help me cross c9

[tall notch]

50f Erebus is a combination of knowing how to play your weapon, getting enough good boons to deal damage and favourable room rng

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1264152296405602314/20240720192943_1.jpg?ex=669d7dd2&is=669c2c52&hm=31d5cadafcdd6e09681d6c69eb0e1104a03033308775c19c9d98cce88260314f&

Simply go faster imo imo

[tall notch]

Is this Medea?

[past salmon]

Yeh lol

[tall notch]

How do you still have all your DDs?

[civic ocean]

Dont get hit

[past salmon]

Simply don't get hit

[vale gate]

thats the time i hit c11

and then use 2-3 dds to tank the timer at hecate

[magic moss]

you should post this to speedcord saying like new oceanus clear pb and see if anyone notices the fear level

[tall notch]

Tbh that is also a valid way of doing things

[past salmon]

Lol this was last night I did post it
No funny reactions

[civic ocean]

Very serious speedcord

[past salmon]

Tbh I would have to watch your gameplay to see where you are losing time
I get out of Erebus like nearly ever run now unless I literally get the worst RNG imagineable

[vale gate]

ill try recording a few runs

do you bother chasing lone revenants

[tall notch]

Depends on what's going on in the room tbh. if I just need to dash a little bit out of the way, sure. If I need to run through 5 spindles to catch it, no thanks

[past salmon]

The answer to that depends on a whole lot

#h2-feedback message

People are actually on a war path to make high fear as miserable as possible lol

[tall notch]

People who give suggestions like that clearly haven't touched high fear

[vale gate]

💀

[tall notch]

I can't imagine clicking it as a casual and if I had to click it because I'm doing super high fear I'd hate this thing

[silent crow]

i avoided onion with my dying breath when i was starting out fear

i thought it only took away the first boon in a run

[limpid coral]

rank 2 onion for 15 curse points sounds about right

[vale gate]

they should replace onion with customs

[limpid coral]

i read that as custom curses at first like player made

[silent crow]

rank 2 onion should make the onion curse you for 15 points of dead cells curse

[tall notch]

Onion is more manageable since we got 3 grasp artificer and I still hate it. Not getting an entire boon in Oceanus is such an onion classic 😭

[silent crow]

where you die in one hit until you kill 15 enemies

[limpid coral]

thats kill x enemies right yea

reset if you dont get pinheads and 2 trees room 1

[tall notch]

This would be fine in Erebus but absolute hell in Oceanus/Fields. In Oceanus it's possible to get this and not have it clear for sirens

Hear me out
Rank 2 onion - turn the contents of the first Charon shop you enter in a region into onions

[vale gate]

also what do you do when ur entering fields and instantly die when a bouldy kills you

[tall notch]

This experience is already in the game if you click Medea

[past salmon]

Have you considered not dying

[vale gate]

not yet

[bright token]

it's the last resort measure

[tall notch]

#h2-for-new-players message I thought Mynt's setup was insanity but apparently there's this

[warped harness]

do we have a 55 heat completion yet

also whats the reccomended 32 fear setup

[past salmon]

No

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1264481221216567336/image.png?ex=669e0768&is=669cb5e8&hm=205f29d8a9f68aab90b84715f7c07cf4d6df2608a74d33d644019a740e03f809&

@silent crow

[tired fulcrum]

[modern prawn]

how can you guys use skull or torch i couldn't go further than oceanus with these weapons.

[cloud scarab]

I finally did it too!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/161575572684668938/1264555726810910740/image.png?ex=669e4ccb&is=669cfb4b&hm=c868f5a6b89966fd2e8b3426c938c66de9c4a904f495573e9a0f6cf2d8615131&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=787&height=525

[knotty fulcrum]

well Im not good at skulls either except for maybe mel aspect. but for torches moros is really good (just cast an o special and attack) and the other 2 are really safe so just stay away and attack

[modern prawn]

which gods or upgrades do you prefer for moros maybe I'll try it.

[knotty fulcrum]

uh start hestia for her gain and probably hera on attack

[past salmon]

run Hestia gain and then just chuck basically any % based boon on attack
Zeus is good on special

[knotty fulcrum]

I also like dem on special but that's for safety

[past salmon]

Dem just works better on cast is the thing

[cloud scarab]

how does hestia gain work actually, I usually opted for Hera, Zeus or Apollo now... is it for each damage instance or does the recovery scale with damage dealt?

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean special is kinda like a moving cast

[knotty fulcrum]

each damage instance. moros' explosions are counted as regular attacks so hestia gain works really well with it

[cloud scarab]

yeah so for Charon axe builds that isn't great, for Moros or daggers it is probably dope

[knotty fulcrum]

but even without that "bug" it would still be the best I think

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah for charon it can't work just use apollo for it

[split igloo]

whats ur fav builds?

or most powerful ones in your op?

[silent crow]

ur crazy

[past salmon]

wdym 😭

[knotty fulcrum]

what was the tier list about?

[past salmon]

its basically my person list for how confident I am personally in clearing 50F with each aspect

If I was trying to do an objective strength ranking some things would change
Not that many things tho tbf

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok makes sense. I really don't understand how you can play medea or persephone on high fear

ig persephone is safe tho maybe I just haven't played it enough

[modern prawn]

well i tried i really cant do it i guess

[uneven palm]

It might help to see Moros in action. Here’s me doing 50F with uhh a not really recommended build but the aspect is crazy strong https://youtu.be/kH365oiX7LI?si=Wzmbyb9O7ZzYkaTR

[limpid coral]

if you are taking pin in both fields and tart do not take +1 keepsake level it will not upgrade your pin

[bright token]

yeah, been there

[tall notch]

Moros is like the best aspect in the game right

[uneven palm]

i'd say Moros or Charon duking it out, yeah

[tall notch]

For 50f, I think Moros clears Charon. It's so much better at dealing with rebuke

[past salmon]

idk tbh

I play too much Moros to have an accurate opinion. But I think Charon is actually the freest thing to ever exist

[tall notch]

Maybe this is my own bias speaking, but I've done dozens of attempts at 50f Charon and still haven't gotten it (some were close though) and Moros literally took me one try

[past salmon]

idk man I barely play Charon and I am like 90% winrate on 50F for that thing

[tall notch]

Maybe it's one of these aspects that either instantly click with you or they don't and you have a hard time, it's def not normal that Charon is the only axe I haven't gotten a 50f with is it

[past salmon]

yeah its not
R u just dying to timer?
Maybe u should stop doing the Coldshade thing where u play overly safe, die to timer and get confused

[tall notch]

I time out when I play safe and when I try to go fast, I'll tank every hit because I have no safety in the window between shielding from regular special and firing the ospecial. Also the first 3 rooms are miserable and will usually result in 1.5 mins time loss+losing at least one DD

[past salmon]

do u not have sorceress on?

[tall notch]

I do, but random stuff will still hit me sometimes during that gap 😭

[magic moss]

eh rebuke2 is where i kinda feel moros and charon have similar power levels without rebuke charon >>>> moros and i dont think its close

[tall notch]

Maybe I'm just doing something terribly wrong and need Charon coaching

[past salmon]

idk I think Charon just has a slightly harder Erebus for a way way easier literally the entire rest of the run

Also Charon sometimes just clicks a Hex and wins because u fully charge every hex in the game in actually 2 seconds

[magic moss]

im factoring it in, moros has the freest erebus so that accounts for something in terms of relative power levels especially since erebus is where most runs die anyway

[past salmon]

idk about freest Moros has the same problem as Charon for first 3 rooms

[tall notch]

You can click silver wheel and eliminate that problem tho

[past salmon]

yeh and then like not get a gain and just lose

[tall notch]

On Charon, I tried silver wheel and it works nowhere nearly as well

[past salmon]

also idk about this anymore
I almost never die in Erebus now

[magic moss]

silver wheel for erebus on an aspect NEEDING a gain boon to function is kinda not a good way to determine power level

[magic moss]

yeah you dont i think like everyone still does

[past salmon]

idk man Boated has started doing the based boatman Meta and he hasnt been dying in Erebus

[magic moss]

[cursive oyster]

i should git gud at charon

[wheat quartz]

Hey guys i'm not sure if it's well known enough but i just had a run with the mel aspect ygnium, Wolf howl's crit after use will make all the existing omega special deal crit damage

[rain hazel]

What special boon do yall usually get with skull special? Usually end up taking Pos, Aphro, or Apollo. Curious of other ideas.

TiL: Not all attack hammers work with medea 🙃
NVM still works with omega

[silent crow]

zeus

[tall notch]

Hera if it's Persephone, won't take a special boon on Mel skull and Zeus/Aphro/Demeter on Medea

[magic moss]

depends on the skull, mel skulls dont really take specials, zeus on medea is BIS but aphro or dem cab work, and hera is undisputed best on persephone but aphro and apollo can work

[fair narwhal]

Stopped dying in Erebus started having to take antler in tart to not time out without origination

[tall notch]

Omg we just said the same thing, we share a brain cell fr

[split igloo]

is the artemis keepsake basically only for top level? 30 health is just not enough past erebus, it seems

[bright token]

has anybody played solo cast? i wanna try it for memes on 32 fear but maybe you can go 40

[tall notch]

It's something you mostly pick when you desperately need extra damage to meet timer

And when you have defensive boons/armor to cover for the 30 max hp

[split igloo]

Fair.

[magic moss]

i mean just play no desperation and solo cast could probably go up to 45

[bright token]

yeah 45 should be possible

[magic moss]

hell maybe you can push for 46 since storm ring is already a start for a decent number of aspects

and 9 min is possible with night

[tall notch]

Or the 49f no timer setup?

[bright token]

i'm thinking hestia as first, her scaling on the cast scorch is pretty crazy

[tall notch]

Cast only should be super safe so if you're fine with the run taking over an hour it should be able to handle abandon

[bright token]

and of course momus cause tripple hit on omega

well i don't want to make it overly tedious

hence probably no onions

[magic moss]

i mean storm ring with geyser spout on momus can work or a glorious disaster build can work

[bright token]

i'm thinking hestia plus apollo for radius plus hera for blowing up and origination

[magic moss]

i mean with no timer anything can work but if you want to push timer then storm ring with cyclone and like glamour gain or some other origination application is prob needed

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1259560688356163705/image.png?ex=669e95cd&is=669d444d&hm=93839b7a7e21124ab370abfd82b9231634c2529cc3e1184ca18d9a6a8411d4be& works at 40, can go higher prob if td2

[magic moss]

honestly jetty doing most is relatable as hell

[bright token]

sprint and ospecial, i see you!
gj

[blazing crest]

👏

Clean run

[snow nymph]

What's easy shot?

[tall notch]

I believe it's the artemis thing that shoots arrows when enemies are hit by omega cast

[silent crow]

easy shot so go s

[uneven palm]

My top 3 when it isn’t Chronos are usually Jetty, Tempus, or Sop Spindle

[bright token]

well i just leart that poseidon is even more useless than i thought
its gayser not only "explodes" the cast, it removes it defeating the very purpose of it. and scattering enemies to boot

[uneven palm]

Yeah, it swaps the usual Omega eruption for instant damage. I only like it on like Momus. You can drop a regular cast to hold things down for the turret

[severe fossil]

#h2-victory-boasting message
Next cast to be nerfed, for Sure!

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated for today

[fair narwhal]

Hold on I send u 11 more in a sec

[silent crow]

HAHAAHHAHA

[magic moss]

come at me brother

[bright token]

nice! storm ring is pretty good but i don't think it needs a nerf, it's a solo dmg. smolder ring scaling on the other hand is nuts

[severe fossil]

I also think it shouldn't be nerfed, other casts (except Hephaestus) should be buffed/reworked

[tall notch]

Yeah let's buff arctic ring, it clearly needs help am I right

[silent crow]

arctic ring noiw does the same dmg as smolder ring just like the good old days of patch 1

[tall notch]

Smolder ring just feels so underwhelming, I'll take it over not having a cast boon but at the same time i'd take most other cast boons over it

[silent crow]

epic smolder ring is very good

[tired turret]

So back burner does nothing for revaal?

[past salmon]

?

[tired turret]

The boon that gives backstabbing on dazed enemies doesn't affect the skull

[past salmon]

I'm like 99.9% positive it does

[tired turret]

I got a mod that let's me choose boons and tried it. It doesn't. At least for melinoe aspect

[cunning pollen]

There's a small chance it may not since it's AoE on explosion, but it would be unintuitive

[analog fog]

Is there somewhere I can read about the cut boons? I started playing right around when patch 3 dropped and didn't get to see what a lot of the old duo boons were and I'm curious what they did

the patch notes give names for the old boons but no description of how they work

[pure orbit]

does anyone know how to get that dark thing to get the aspect of thanatos?

[vale mesa]

Randomly at chaos realm

[pure orbit]

is it a seed?

[past salmon]

no Chaos will just give you one after going to Chaos a bunch. Afterwards it will just spawn in the open like a plant kinda

[pure orbit]

thank you!!!

[tender nebula]

Can i ask a question about what qualifies as an attack boon?

I have spiteful strength, and i wanna buff it as much as possible

Do chaos boons count as attack boons?

[west summit]

I think it's referencing the attack boon slot, so Chaos' probably doesn't count

[past salmon]

all the things that show up in the slot
So chaos doesnt count

[last cape]

I've been trying 47 fear runs (all fear except bitterness and abandon)...I'm usually getting to Hecate but her last phase is my current PB and I feel stuck 😅

My go to has been Apollo keepsake on the Thanatos axe but I'm sure there's something more effective I can be doing

[vale gate]

Are you timing out

[last cape]

Yeah

[vale gate]

Try hera

[past salmon]

Hera attack is far better

[last cape]

Hera seems like she'd be really good yeah. Apollo's range letting me cover entire rooms has been very helpful but Hera is just kinda op right now lol

Hmm what arcanas are important at high fear? Aside from the obvious ones like death defiance and at least 6 rerolls

[past salmon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing
This sheet has a section with most of the commonly used arcana setups for 50F

[last cape]

It's interesting that The Artificer is on every build but it makes a lot of sense the more I think about it

You really want that early power spike of extra major finds I must imagine

It's not one that I've played around with since it got buffed

[past salmon]

yeah
It also just helps a lot with Onion
It's very hard to argue against Artificer when its only 3 grasp

[last cape]

How often should I be spinning with the axe?

[knotty fulcrum]

I don't really spin at all since I prefer not having to get a gain and stuff

but I heard mynt would sometimes spin if he had the right hammers

so if you don't have any other good hammer to pick you can pic something about spin and use it sometimes

[last cape]

Interesting, I'd have thought it fairly important since you're dealing with damage control on the axe

Though I know the current axe meta is to pray for dashing heave, right?

Thanks for the advice, y'all, I'm at least past Hecate now

So, what's the high fear keepsake meta like?

I often take chaos region 2 but I feel like I should be doing something more consistent, especially since this build won't benefit from many of the possible rolls

I can see every build takes the Pin eventually, which I would expect, but is it correct to take it in Oceanus?

[vale gate]

I always take it into Oceanus becuase I have 0 DDs

[last cape]

Lmao fair! I have all 3 somehow so I'm taking Demeter

I'm hoping to not take too many deaths region 2 since I have Hephaestus

Ok second hammer is giving me the choice between psychic whirlwind, advancing whirlwind and hell splitter lmao. None of these seem like the play seeing as I have too much primed magick to even spin and hell splitter is bad

[cunning pollen]

Hell Splitter with Thanatos' speed is not that bad. I've been able to shorten the animation slightly by specialling and hitting attack very quickly thereafter, as well as casting in the middle of the attack animation

Or else, start the attack farther away and dash forward before it finishes

[last cape]

That's fair, especially since I've already got dashing heave for AoE, hell splitter would improve my single target dps

[cunning pollen]

it's also good for multi-target if you lure enemies into a cast and start the attack then dash from slightly behind the cast

heave is great for double dash-strikes but they take a bit of practice

i'd say they could be your single-target damage since dashing in the midst of tanky enemies is risky

with hell-splitter it's enough to catch them at the edge of its hitbox which keeps you away

[last cape]

I actually did it, 47 fear cleared

[cunning pollen]

man, what was I doing giving you advice lol

congrats!

[last cape]

My two hephy boons let me play very unga bunga

[cunning pollen]

heph is the perfect god for when you have most or all your core slots filled

though on cheeky fast flat dmg builds I like Aphro a lot (i'd still try to get some weak-inflicting core boon of hers first though)

[last cape]

Is weak all that important if you already have origination?

[fervent narwhal]

You can get a boon that does more damage towards weak enemies

[cunning pollen]

yes, and also Shameless Attitude. Got it up to 40%/80% once, and it wasn't even that hard

Also I like her Dash, interestingly, double 50dmg on epic + 2 poms + scaling with global damage

[limpid coral]

30% dr is not bad
sweet surrender kinda is tho lol

[last cape]

I remember hearing that it's at least multiplicative

It's still quite a low number though

[limpid coral]

none of that stuff is multiplicative

[last cape]

Oh fr? Was it in 1?

[limpid coral]

idk

[cunning pollen]

Any global damage is good in my book unless it's like 5 or 10%

[last cape]

Could be what I'm thinking of for surrender. But yeah her secondary boons I've always found underwhelming. Aside from life affirmation at low fear lol

[cunning pollen]

but no, they're not multiplicative

the only multiplicative thing in H1 I think was Hermes' Rush Delivery and that's because movement speed itself was multiplicative

[last cape]

I am so not looking forward to 50F lol. 3 less boons is huge

I don't even see myself attempting 55

[cunning pollen]

I have exactly one 32 on Than Axe and that's it

my drug of choice is fresh-file/first 5 runs

[last cape]

Fresh file sounds quite annoying

No arcana, forced to use the base staff with Apollo and taking the eris debuff from Oceanus

[cunning pollen]

Or alternatively, be a staff main like myself, take his sprint and Back Burner, also Poseidon's cast (quite likely to pop up) and backstab them with both the attack and the cast 😄 (also Beach Ball)

and don't take Ash so the Bones will be replaced by healing on doors in Oceanus and finish fights so you're at or under 50% health after the healing fountain so Eris never shows up

and finagle the Sirens fight by getting to the edge of the arena and pick off Jetty first (who has probably 1/3 of Roxy's HP, she's so squishy)

while staying just out of reach of Roxy's drum patterns

also hit Scylla from behind by facing away from her which counts as hitting her from the front since you're both standing in opposite directions and the staff's attack hitbox reaches behind if you stand right next to the enemy

it's .... a whole thing.

[outer ice]

Best build for me: Aspect of Thanatos, The Titan card, luckier golden tooth, Frinos, 3 death defies, The wayward son, and Strength(Note all cards are maxed out, same with tooth and aspect)

[cunning pollen]

It's kind of nice that all non-basic aspects have two things going for them, the main effect and the support effect and you can lean into the support for a bit of fun

[outer ice]

Yeah

[cunning pollen]

With Than, the Crit Damage bonus would be considered the secondary one even though it's meant to be the main one, but you can combine the crit chance with Death and Poseidon's quick explodey cast

[outer ice]

No it isn’t the main the main is the attack speed

[cunning pollen]

what is listed in the effects is usually the secondary one from gameplay perspective

[outer ice]

And I dont really use boons unless forced

[cunning pollen]

the ones that are described in freeform text are the ones that are used as main ones

Persephone's skull-driving, Charon's exploding casts, Pan's homing

[past bough]

id suck on melinoe

chill out liberals its called dark humor 😈😈😛😛😛😝😝😝

[cunning pollen]

she'd churn you up and leave you for dead

[cursive oyster]

explain

[bright token]

why does moros Oattack stop going anywhere at some point and stays in place doing no dmg? is that intended

the aspect has a lot of dmg but it's so awkward to play

[silent crow]

its meant to clump up so you can detonate them but it doesnt really work

[silent crow]

just use the ospecial

[bright token]

yeah weapons need a lot of work still. so much awkwardness, weird long cooldowns

[cunning pollen]

The intent behind moros is to squeeze out a number of attacks somewhere from afar then snare mooks and blow them up, but it takes too much skill for my torch-playing habits

It's definitely not my main weapon

It's funny how Moros could be a slow tactical mana-free, long-range weapon or a mana-guzzling melee monster

I appreciate the intent though, if it made the ghosts converge (not directly home in) on your cast, pan-style

[outer ice]

I don’t pick boons unless I have to for some runs like the ones for the oath

[silent crow]

its not tactical manaless either yu just blindly spam attascks and specials until an explosion connects on the enmey for 200 damage and they instantly evaporate

[tired fulcrum]

Special hitbox

[cunning pollen]

yeah. special hitbox, I'd say

it's pathetically small unless you have Poseidon who makes it much bigger

[cunning pollen]

Well, that's why I said you spam it away from danger while they're closing in on you, detonate when they get near

but making the explosion hitbox bigger would also help with that

But see, I'm a weirdo who likes to figure out chokepoints on every map

In that vein, a third-solution: make ghosts not fly too far away

or make them stick to obstacles

[civic ocean]

It's insanely hard to play it this way, I have been trying and I only made it out of erebus at 50 once

[bright token]

duuuude wtf lol. even the regular attacks randomly stop and i cant kill a random lone spindle

[cunning pollen]

They only stop on edges

But yeah, I agree Moros is hard to play that way

The viable way just feels too one button-y for me

[stoic pecan]

i think thats the trade off with such an explosive weapon. it would be incredibly imblanced if it performed as well as it does w/ full mana

[civic ocean]

I think if you played Moros like this for like 1000 hours you could maybe get good enough at it to do as well as ospecial moros though, maybe even surpass it

It's got something that the ospecial moros doesn't really have which is that the base special lets you move like a second dash, like a very slow skull special

[bright token]

i mean i'm not against hard to play weapons but you wanna some consistency and transparency. so like either the attacks dead stop at your pointer location or not farther than X meters or they dont. this current random shenanigans is not good

[silent crow]

nah moros needs a rework .-.

[civic ocean]

So your movement is incredible

[cunning pollen]

Old Eos had one thing going for it, you could capitalize on having to think about movement on torches (as you always do with them) for it to work best

[silent crow]

old eos had being cool going for it

[cunning pollen]

it was, I liked it

The current hammer at least makes them linger if not making them bigger

[spare kite]

Leave my torches alone 🔫

[silent crow]

torches r my favorite weapon rn but moros is so zzz

[bright token]

idk people don't like eos but imo it's the only torches designed well currently

[spare kite]

Just bring back oldeos

[cunning pollen]

If only the fat ghost could also be a bit more predictable

but it's a cool concept, like Momus, kind of untypical for a non-hidden aspect

Sort of like H1 Zeus shield

[bright token]

also slow regular special animation and it breaking the charge of Oattack limits the gameplay available to you. i have no idea why torch special has to be butchered to the worst attack in the game period, then get the most ridiculous 3X dmg hammer

[silent crow]

oldeos is here as a hammer and it works its functional! the real problem is that you barely need to use it anymore because normal torch attacks will kill everything first

[cunning pollen]

I use it exclusively for mobility and not channeling when I don't want to

Also it has nice tech for channeling ocast while moving far away while the channel's still going

[tough pasture]

Wow. Just had an awesome run where I had 6 (!!!) olympians.

weapon: skull
aspect: persephone
starter: (1) hephaestus (for sprint build)
(2) zeus cast + spirit surge
(3) aphro special
(4) apollo omega cast (prominence)
(5) artemis marked (used phial to upgrade it to heroic, every 14 seconds - but felt much faster)
(6) hermes for sprint (negate 1 instance of damage)

hephaestus later added furnace blast + mint condition (10 seconds) + fine tuning (echo) + trusty shield (in tartarus)

also had selene hex - impervious - fully upgraded (so with damage boosts + rapid hex fill), used keepsake

also had 2 (!!!) epic chaos flourish boons from well of charon + embryo keepsake (in tartarus)

Before entering tartarus, I was basically invincible.

Literally, a GOAT luck level run. I pretty much melted chronos...

[bright token]

yeah i'm playing moros and frustrated out of my mind right now, this is so exhausting at the start of erebus. i can't kill a simple spindle, the attacks just randomly stop, so you cant even rely on the stun to get close and hit the enemy and the specials can easily miss. this is the worst new player experience out of all weapons including medea

at the start of the location everythign seems to be working fine, attacks hit, explosions are going off, cleartimes is good. then one enemy remains and suddenly you are helpless

[tough pasture]

moros took some getting used to for me...

But watching some of the speedrunners taught me how to use it. I realized I wasn't dashing enough in between the attacks to avoid damage after activating omega special

I like to start moros using hephaestus keepsake just to get his sprint. and then I start adding to moros attack + special as more olympians show up.

[bright token]

when you get hestia mana regen it becomes much easier but until then it's not enjoyable

[tough pasture]

i'm so paranoid about not having enough magick regen for the first 2 biomes that I almost always use the aracana card for magick restoration despite it costing 5 grasp. I forego origination which I'm ok with because I end up compensating with a combination of hammers + chaos + burned fleece keepsake... <shrug>

[cursive oyster]

ohh you mean vows? boons are the upgrades from olympians

[cunning pollen]

I think he means boons. It's weird, but it's an interesting challenge I guess?

[tough pasture]

So i take it you were a big fan of rama aspect + sisyphus keepsake shattered shackle in hades 1?

I loved doing no boon rama runs.

zeus shield
beowulf shield
rama bow

were my top 3 favorite aspects in hades 1

[cunning pollen]

Zeus shield was very fun

[tough pasture]

yep. my small minor claim to fame is that i stanned early for zeus shield as the aspect most likely to beat 64 max heat unseeded and unmodded. angel made it happen which was great.

[spare kite]

Bugwolf my beloved
Wth is a normal interaction

[tough pasture]

that said...i'm still salty at Amir for doing a nerf on the charged flight hammer. (It used to be 400%, got knocked down to 200%.)

I know most people loved beowulf for the dio cast build which gave big-to-ginormous damage numbers.

But my favorite beowulf build was charged flight + dread flight (strikes up to 4 more before returning).

That combined with aphro special + poseidon dash + their duo boon (which scaled up poms) was so good. One could almost cheese 50+/55+ heat using that build. Made 40+/45+ heat mostly easy too.

After the nerf, we had to get a big special boost from chaos to compensate for the reduced damage (but that was always unreliable).

[spare kite]

Oh wow finally I meet an old charged flight player

[tough pasture]

Oh hey! Hi!

[uneven palm]

Also the meta Beo build now is Poseidon cast and Mirage Shot

[spare kite]

I've heard about the change but never had someone actually playing it

And yeah dio cast is the meme one thanks to needing a million pieces

[tough pasture]

Oh? I didn't know that.

[spare kite]

We just abuse mirage shot which doubles your dmg (thanks to a bug) and pos flare is the fastest access to it (+ aoe)

[tough pasture]

Interesting. I don't recall trying that on beowulf

In general, I didn't enjoy playing cast builds in hades 1 (even though some were OP). I just liked using attack+special+dash+call more than cast.

<shrug>

Perhaps I'll revisit hades 1 again later this year.

[spare kite]

Trippy flare can still be funny cuz they messed up the pom values

Each pom gives twice the shown amount

[uneven palm]

Folks discovered the Mirage Shot bug well after 1.0, then they were off the races

[tough pasture]

Oh snap!

I recall saying this and I think many were skeptical - at least initially. But I kept playing trippy flare on beowulf and the numbers weren't adding up so I think I said that they were 2-3x. (Complicating factor was chaos or occasional artemis but I was sure of it.)

Good to know that has been confirmed (?).

[spare kite]

It was discovered in the funniest way too
"Why I'm doing 500 dmg to meg with one cast and barely any dmg buff"

Oh yeah more on beo bugs/stupid things
Thunder flare has 0 cast dmg

So mirage doesn't work with it
And icy flare too for some reason

[tough pasture]

The one other broken bug I was one of the first to discover was the backstab+thanataos keepsake.

You could do like 10,000 damage with that.

Amir patched that out pretty quickly. 😂

[tough pasture]

wut? why?

[spare kite]

It just summons a bolt that does the dmg (and is the number shown when pomming)

[tough pasture]

Well that would explain why I didn't enjoy playing zeus cast on beowulf.

[spare kite]

If you get a cast swap it'll show 0>the other casg dmg

Also aphro cast can revert its aoe to the base cast aoe in multiple ways and is permanent

[vale gate]

Is it patched out?

[tough pasture]

Yeah, it got patched out.

[spare kite]

Beowulf and gilga truly are wonders of "added too late into ea"

[vale gate]

Could've sworn it still exists

[spare kite]

Is it a different bug than the "exposed makes Than backstab"

[tough pasture]

@vale gate It wouldn't always trigger but I recall haelian did a video and it just happened. IIRC, Amir saw that video and was like... "I must investigate."

Perhaps there's another different condition that still triggers it but we realized quickly that the instances which were happening had to do with backstab that was doubling the damage from the keepsake.

[vale gate]

It's the same thing i think

[bright token]

6th time to hecate with 30 sec on the clock with moros, oh well. looks like you cant play it with the slowing down arcana at high fear

[spare kite]

@brittle ridge #h2-feedback message did you have the pauper chaos curse

[brittle ridge]

Aha, that’s definitely it!

[silent crow]

im a current charged flight player 😔

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1265008571863666820/image.png?ex=669ff28a&is=669ea10a&hm=78e9a9670d0237adbf1ca2a6521c1f318165acac14077f28b59b4d31e51946dd& thoughts on my gods tierlist?

[stoic pecan]

Ever since engagement ring nerf hera has been a turn off for me(, except for born gain ofc)

[tall notch]

Her attack is still really good on weapons that care for attack % scaling

[bright token]

for high fear? hestia is definitely not b imo

[tall notch]

I don't really care for her on anything other than blades and Moros

Though I guess maybe she deserves A since she does excel on those two, you right

[bright token]

in too many builds she is an omegaboost

the scroch basically negates the biggest time sink vow - rebuke

and works like flat vs bosses

staff, blades and torches are all good or very good with scorch

and she has the most op mana regen, probably stronger than born gain now for hungry build. and the biggest array of dps duos

[tall notch]

Staff/Torches other than Moros I'd much rather click Hera

Tbh

But yeah you're right, I'll bump her to A because of the builds where she does excel

[bright token]

now aphro might be b sadly

weak is good but not enough to really resist high fear dmg by brute force. and scaling on core boons doesn't justify absence of a status

[tall notch]

Nah, I like her cast (though not as much as Dem's), I like passion dash, I like heartthrobs on anything that spends mana

She has enough good stuff for me to be happy to see her regardless of weapon

[bright token]

dash is good, heartthrobs is a little too niche imo, you have to be melee and a mana machine, that's not that common

and cast i absolutely hate currently, i think it needs to be redesigned

[tall notch]

You don't have to be melee, literally just gather up a bunch of them and dash in for a nice little nuke

[bright token]

it helps mobs close in on you and do unexpected dmg

[tall notch]

Because they last a while

[silent crow]

see i cant comment on these because all my 50f runs have died to chronos with 3 boons

[bright token]

i butchered like 3 runs with boulders and the spear centaurs damaging me due to aphro cast pull

[silent crow]

i was watching boated get a LEGENDARy and TWO DUOS in a 50f run

[bright token]

i'm torn between a and s for heph. he has the two strongest defensive boons but his attack sucks so much

and mana gain on hit is one of the worst, probably only ahead of zeus wacky "fonts"

[silent crow]

zeus regen is good

[analog fog]

what's wrong with the fonts 🥺

[bright token]

did they rework it in patch 4 i forgog? you had to interact with it with an animation in patch 3

[silent crow]

you do still have to interact with it but like. still pretty good

[bright token]

well if it spawns in an unfortunate place, interacting can get you killed. i don't like this unpredictability

[analog fog]

Oh yeah i guess it can be a bit unreliable. Still tho 100% magic back basically whenever you need it is pretty good

[bright token]

i think it would be better if the font would be like a banner that rapidly regens mana if you stand in proximity, like a conduit, pretty thematic

[sage flame]

lmao yeahhhhh it's as shrimple as that

[analog fog]

just get the best boons its not that hard

[silent crow]

i have nbot gotten out of erebus with more than 2 boons ever

[bright token]

do you have the find upgrade selected in arcana?

[silent crow]

maybe boatman meta is the way...

[sage flame]

get the best boons and hammers and never be unlucky and always use the boatman

[silent crow]

yes

maybe trading in unseen for boatman and playing a non-eos aspect is the way

[sage flame]

use boatman for hidden damage boost

[silent crow]

TRUE

[bright token]

that's very strange then. you have to have like 3 on avg in erebus with the find upgrade

[karmic current]

I Havent gotten out with less than 2 boons ever

[magic moss]

S: Hera Heph
A: Dem, Zeus, Hestia, Hermes
B: Aphro, Apollo
C: Pos

[silent crow]

maybe i am just. the unluckiest person ever !

[karmic current]

You could reverse that list and i would Agree with it

[magic moss]

what fear do you play on

[karmic current]

Like 10

[magic moss]

ok cuz we all play at 45+

so this is more as a high fear tierlist

[karmic current]

Real

[silent crow]

looks abt right

[bright token]

S: -
A: Dem, Heph, Hera, Hestia
B: Zeus, Aphro, Apollo, Hermes
C: -
D: PoS (get that, right? XD)

[silent crow]

Gott TEm

[magic moss]

im actually hesitant on putting dem and heph that high up

since whenever you get them you only are looking for 1-2 boons, but those boons are REALLY REALLY good

[bright token]

i think there is not a single op god right now so S is vacant

[silent crow]

i mean isnt that the case for like zeus too

dont u js get storm ring and static and done

[magic moss]

nah zeus actually has a decent number of boons with static, storm ring, hell even ionic gain now works and blitz isnt a bad take, lightning lance is also great

[bright token]

dem is only very high up for high fear of course. because of the combined value of free origination, freeze combating the biggest threats outside of bosses and strong supplementary defences like shield and hp on collecting that can go very high up with the shovel

[sage flame]

nah ive left erebus with only 2 boons before but I didn't have any rerolls + onion was on

[silent crow]

i guess

[bright token]

i was eating dirt with medea until i got myself a freeze on special

[silent crow]

i mean stacking a lot of boons isnt smth u can always do withthe onion

[magic moss]

my ratings for a god tier list depends on 3 factors

1. How good are their boons in general
2. How many boons am I looking for from them

For dem and heph, I'm really only looking for 2-3 boons each, being arctic ring and cyclones from dem and trusty + mint from heph. They're really good, but to place them so high up when I'm aiming for not even 20% of their offered boon options is a bit eh

Zeus is a solid A for me because he has a lot of options I'm looking for and can even be a starter option with storm ring, but I'm rarely going to try and play for his main mechanic which is blitz, so hes not S for me

Hera is a solid S because outside of like 1-2 boons, I'm happy seeing just about any of hera's boons and they all do something well

etc etc

[silent crow]

thats fair

[steel sequoia]

hera and dem S+ rest are w/e

pos is now the worst, rip uncle

[bright token]

that's true but there is the other side to it. both gods have a lot of boons that will help you at least somewhat whereas with zeus, aphro and apollo you can easily get a selection where you don't have anything substantial to pick

[magic moss]

aphro and apollo i agree, zeus not so much hence their placements on my current list

[bright token]

zeus is good as main but if you get him as a 2nd, 3rd god, you need to have a niche build to even pick blitz (and a lot of his boons are blitz related), and the cast slot might be already taken to give you origination

for a lot of builds font is useless, sprint is useless or even harmful, all the bolt boons are interconnected and require some activator already

[sage flame]

I am a ionic gain enjoyer I get to not think about magick like ever even with common rarity

[tired fulcrum]

When poseidon used to be one of the best gods

[analog fog]

is geyser spout exclusive with other tier 2 cast boons like prominence flare?

I'm trying to get it and it offered me a duo before i was allowed it ;-;

just checked through the data files and it is 😔

[dapper hill]

thatll be why i didnt get it my last run 😭 i do with things like this were more clear somewhere in game

[analog fog]

yeah. It makes sense why they don't work together cuz that would be busted but without knowing that you can't get them its kinda confusing

[steel sequoia]

you can pick geyser and flare i believe, but they dont work together you just blew the omega instantly

they arent good overall unless ur going fun runs, but now we have Rousing Reception which is old ER so its very good.

[dapper hill]

geyser and dark side omega cast my beloved

[magic moss]

sheet has been updated for the day

[reef tiger]

is there any link for 32 fear builds?

[magic moss]

no 32, i do have a spreadsheet for 50F you can essentially copy tho

[reef tiger]

could u share pls?

[magic moss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit?usp=sharing just look at the victory screens and see what people are using and just copy that ig

[reef tiger]

thanks!

[magic moss]

np

[static thicket]

why is Poseidon considreed bad?

[tired fulcrum]

Numbers not great, meh duos, hard to build into splash except the legendary which gl getting

[desert hatch]

Just curious but when fighting the headmistress, is there any way to not get cursed? (The curse itself is a non issue, mostly just wondering if there's a voice line for it)

[tired fulcrum]

Rip staff special

[tired fulcrum]

You just dash through it a couple times till it expires

[desert hatch]

That's not really what I asked lol but thanks anyway

[past salmon]

Poseidon has bad support and his cores are pretty bad too tbh
Sprint is ok sometimes, but you kinda have to build somewhat into it. Cast is just never BIS, Attack and Special are kinda just underwhelming when you compare them to current scorch. Gain is pretty poor

He doesn't have great duos either.

[tired fulcrum]

You asked how to not get polymorphed?

[past salmon]

??
This is what you asked

[desert hatch]

Oh NEVER MIND I'm sorry I misunderstood 😭

Thanks for telling me I struggle with English sometimes

My bad

[bright token]

splash is not a status: no origination, flat on it is abysmal, the knockback oftentimes only helpes mobs get away from your aoe and for ranged - to get distance on you. sprint can only be mained as a meme, gain is pretty bad, cast is bad, damage reduction only makes sense as epic+ which is awful, double up is ok but it's too much rng which makes it unreliable, the secondary cast boon basically defeats the purpose of the cast
the only thing it had was golden rule and it was nerfed to just ok lvl

[silent crow]

and his status is the worstin the game!! :3

[bright token]

but that's all for high fear, for everything 32- poseidon is ok and can produce some fun builds like pan 16 blades with splash on them

[magic moss]

the only thing pos has going for him high fear is infusion duo with veneer and thats giga high roll

[desert sail]

The only exceptions to this are his duos with aphro and Hestia imo

[silent crow]

island getaway is not worth it on high fear thats an insane highroll

[limpid coral]

if u click a lot of poseidon boons u will simply have less output than if u click other boons

[sage flame]

how 2 get better at 5 minute timer 😩

[limpid coral]

free rooms good

[round remnant]

Wait splash definitely is a curse for origination

[sage flame]

slip is

[round remnant]

Am I tripping? (Narrator: he was.)

Oh derp, gotcha

[sage flame]

a secondary boon for splash effects which is annoying

[ashen kelp]

Any recommendations for a cast build? I’ve had my fun with attacks and specials for a while.

[silent crow]

click storm ring
???
win

[steel sequoia]

charon and persephone are the betst aspects, if you going low fear i suggest get lucid gain with charon and you can do anything fr, persephone is stronger with storm ring or Geyser Spout

[ashen kelp]

I’ve done lots of Charon with vast. I’ll try Persephone again tho.

Never could full the meter fast enough.

[bold jay]

charon will kind of be half-half though won't it, you'll do one cast then one special each time

[steel sequoia]

local climate is tricky but its very good if you can find too

[silent crow]

yeah

[steel sequoia]

u dont need to play special persephone tho, cast itself and some attacks can win

but if you get like hera persephone is good

zeus, demeter too

[bold jay]

are the good Gains right now basically - hera and apollo? Zeus seems good to me but seems like some aren't crazy about it

[silent crow]

hera apollo zeus and on some aspects hestia are good

imo demeter is usable until like 40f

[bold jay]

Okay, makes sense. Kinda weird how half the gains are so so much better than the other half.

[silent crow]

glamour gain is good utility for manaless/low mana builds

wouldnt reccommend it if you want to use mana a lot tho

[bold jay]

yeah, was going to say that glamour is the only one that I think is "ok" - all the others are basically either fantastic (almost make magick a non-issue with a decent size pool) or terrible

I guess hestia is the other one that's in the middle as it works well for specific builds

[steel sequoia]

just avoid tranquil gain tbh, the rest you can manage, but you always want ionic, lucid or born gain most likely

[silent crow]

hestia is v good on staff dagger and torches its just axe and skull that are iffy

tho the only skull that wants mana is perseph and u dont need that muc h anyway sooo

[bold jay]

Hmm really on staff? I feel like it would force me to do non omega attacks when often I just want to spam omegas

[silent crow]

its a dash strike and two normals for an entire omega attack
besides manaless staff is better than with mana

[bright token]

man mel torches are like by far the worst weapon to start high fear on keyboard. i guess aim assist on controller helps a bit. but until you get your first boon it's agony

[bold jay]

What's manaless staff exactly?

[steel sequoia]

smashing attack button, you dont use omegas

people think with 50f mind here, most dont know how to give noob tips

[bold jay]

Fair :-). What makes smashing attack better?

[steel sequoia]

ur dps is better than spamming omegas and you have hammers that make it easier at high fear, but at low fear you can do both

[tall notch]

High fear punishes mana builds far more than manaless

So if you can play manaless, you'll take that chance

[bold jay]

Because a lot of the vows hurt mana Regen?

[steel sequoia]

no, because its slower

u lose mobility and get targeted easier when charging omegas

[tall notch]

Partly vows hurting mana regen, partly the fact that clicking a mana regen boon is costly in itself when you have the vow of bitterness active (every boon is precious when you first one in a region gets deleted) and in the case of staff its omegas are also slow

[steel sequoia]

also the aspects doesnt help either

so you play like bladestyle and just smash buttons

[cursive oyster]

his hestia duo kills origination and therefore scorch damage compared to just keeping slip

[steel sequoia]

i have a doctor next week, my shoulder i wrecked need to fix it so i can go back playing

[cursive oyster]

#h2-feedback message
nonononononoNONONONONO
/j

[past salmon]

the cooking is going too far

[cursive oyster]

even the fact that this makes you more likely to get the big erebus room is too much for me to handle

oh god does this affect tart

[magic moss]

could you imagine an 11 room tart

[spare kite]

ewww

[cursive oyster]

fun fact: last time i was in tart on 50f my rooms alternated between armored numbskulls, armored tempi, and armored goldbags. i hate myself.

[drowsy kraken]

Who is like I hate fast-paced hades game flow what if it was a slog

[uneven palm]

Ugh my last 50F tart was 3 straight giant rooms of unarmored bags. (I timed out)

Like phew it’s over ohh no there’s 6 more hiding in a distant corner

Then they all run to other corners. Kill me

[hazy oar]

Hey, legit question. Is it possible for Anvil Ring to get the effects of Vent?

[uneven palm]

No, it’s not a blast like Heph’s attack/special/sprint

[rich lynx]

lantern omega attack + hestia boon that makes you regen mana on hit is easy mode

[magic moss]

lantern?

[spare kite]

torch

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1265144942540361748/image.png?ex=66a0718b&is=669f200b&hm=58ef899922238f8956c49108ade2bce305c6a7152cbe101469ea732dc1b66eb0& lmao

[bright token]

Is it theoretically possible to get 34 air and aphro infusion and be immune to DMG?

[past salmon]

idk glhf with that goal

[spare kite]

if rerolls restocked charon wells maaaybe? get an insane amount of epic creation lmfao

[bright token]

Does double up double the narc elements?

[tall notch]

I know it used to, not sure if it still does

[bright token]

If you get the tablet and frinos shades can also net some decent amount of air

[spare kite]

was thinking "I haven't seen Nem this run"
any guesses where she showed up

[bright token]

[tall notch]

Echon't

[spare kite]

also I believe the elements per tool are once per run

[bright token]

I think it would be fair that if you meet nemesis in echo room she would reply to you with "Nemesis... Nemesis... Nemesis..." and then instantly take both exits, soft locking you

Are you sure? I think I got two airs once, but I might have misremembered

[uneven palm]

It’s one per run

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1247919379245436991/1265162129774743665/image.png?ex=66a0818d&is=669f300d&hm=b6a07a8ef41e0f94657a851547f419a5a0edd2c565fe8e5962d7aba0228c39be&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=331 interesting

[hazy osprey]

what counts as strikes?

[magic moss]

everything

just not cast so attacks, oattacks, specials, and ospecials

i think

[hazy osprey]

so anything involving the weapon then, right?

thank you so much <333

[magic moss]

think so

[magic moss]

i managed to hit 69% dodge (nice) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1265168001590890536/Hades_II_2024-07-23_00-41-37.mp4?ex=66a08705&is=669f3585&hm=f63e7701f2d9df7bb5408a7edffea9378c0d696ec77c671014f29ec2ce1f76e1&

but you only need 25 air with messenger and epic greater evasion

[silent crow]

is dodge additive?

[magic moss]

no idea but im assuming yes?

[bright token]

I think dodge doesn't stack additively

[uneven palm]

It did in H1

[bright token]

Otherwise getting 100% of it wouldn't even be that hard

[magic moss]

it still would be incredibly difficult

[bright token]

How is daze worded?

[bright token]

Good stuff

Also can greater evasion be heroiced by Hera/dem

What if daze then also stack additively, if it's the same value type just worded differently

[silent crow]

you can phial it

[bright token]

Also damage reduction should be multiplicative otherwise you can get immune with strength and boosted weak

[limber dock]

it feels impossible to dig duo boons up

did something change in the last few patches i didnt notice

[uneven palm]

If you used to use Vow of Forsaking to force duos, that hasn’t worked for several patches

[obtuse tendon]

I've been trying to get Hail Storm

It's just not appearing for me

[cunning pollen]

Duos are super-likely when 1) you haven't taken boons that open up secondary boons (hard with some prereqs) and 2) when your core slots are filled

[vale gate]

midbosses have slightly lower duo odds

[cunning pollen]

slightly lower as in zero, yeah

[vale gate]

wait really

[cunning pollen]

BoonRaritiesOverride = { Legendary = 0.05, Epic = 0.07, Rare = 0.90 }

[west summit]

Huh???

[cunning pollen]

no duos there

[vale gate]

💀 didnt know that

[past salmon]

does this change upon rerolling or nah

[cunning pollen]

shouldn't

[west summit]

0.05 legendary💀

[cunning pollen]

unless you've almost completely exhausted the god's boon pool

first it starts offering guaranteed replacements, then it starts giving you stuff without rolling for chance, as long as there's a respective rarity-capable boon in the pool at all

[rotund violet]

Hey

[west summit]

What about the triple cost boons from Tart shop?

[limber dock]

3 weeks back i was able to force a legendary every run feels impossible now

[rotund violet]

Can I know if there's any notable additions since patch 1 ?

[cunning pollen]

{ Legendary = 0.1, Epic = 0.25, Rare = 0.90 }

[cunning pollen]

Read through the patch notes in order. Lots of changes in mechanics, but additions as in content, no

[rotund violet]

alr ty

I played the game for a decent time , I just want to wait for big changes so I don't get bored before they come .

[warped egret]

same reason ive just been waiting for the next big patch now

[rotund violet]

Is there an upcoming patch ?

[cunning pollen]

Probably 2 months or so from now, with lots of new content

[molten lodge]

what tarot cards are the best

[cursive gate]

Is there a place to find all this info? Also such as choosing specific boons locking you out of other ones etc.

[cunning pollen]

TraitData files in the scripts folders mostly

it's a bit hard to read (though I'm not a great Lua reader, granted)

especially how boon offerings are selected since it's a hefty block of code with some functions in a separate file

but the TraitData stuff in particular is easy enough

[cursive gate]

I see thanks!

[cunning pollen]

the TraitData file that's only called "TraitData" has an overview of what categories different gods' boons fall into

and also which ones have what prerequisites

[cursive gate]

Yeah I saw that Poseidon has 3 categories, still going through it.

[cunning pollen]

in the god-specific TraitData some boons have additional prereqs

(secondary cast boons need a cast, obviously, but for instance Demeter's max life on gathering plants boon only becomes available when you've unlocked the spade)

[cursive gate]

Haha that's kinda funny the considered that considering you get the spade very early and probably but the again idk how long it takes to first meet Demeter.

[cunning pollen]

First run, usually 😄

[cursive gate]

Ok that makes sense

[uneven palm]

That’s overrides. You can absolutely get duos from a mid boss. Most midbosses have the same duo odds as regular boons (12% base), but lower odds for legendaries weirdly

[cunning pollen]

Yeah, did some more digging and the overrides simply replace the rarities listed, I was mistaken

[cursive gate]

I noticed there's a lot of functions but as comments, does the script run those or?

[cunning pollen]

no

the stuff that runs things is in the Logic files. the Data files are what the Logic takes its uh, data, from

In general, in terms of boons, gods have 3 or 4 boons you can make sure don't show up in their pool if you keep away from the prereqs. It helps when you're focusing your build, but sometimes you can't escape taking prereqs

[sage flame]

honestly most cards are good. highest priority for me is stuff like eternity for death defiances, origination for large damage boost, furies for easy damage in casts, all the reroll cards in the bottom left (including boatman), lovers is good, sorceress is good for omega heavy builds, swift runner is worth it 100%, artificer is fun

[tall notch]

That's weapon-dependent

[molten lodge]

oh ok thanks

[tall notch]

I wish I had @magic moss's spreadsheet on hand, it has arcana setups

[magic moss]

mf sending out the bat signal

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Ivfhuer7AyLxQXPIuvLRGigui5-Z2G-gEFk3xWBir4/edit

[tall notch]

Thanks

[dapper kernel]

i was sleeping on persephone skull but that aspect is goated i flew through 40 fear like it was nothing

and it was only my second time with the aspect as well

[cunning pollen]

I like the (kinda niche) synergy between this and Local Climate, driving around in your cast

doing drive-bys

[dapper kernel]

damn didn't even think of that

and i saw local climate

[cunning pollen]

it's moving origination with ospecial booned with a curse, as well as omove damage bonus from Persephone when it explodes

[stoic pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1265329660682833934/1265329690806325360/image.png?ex=66a11d9a&is=669fcc1a&hm=3b0c061bfdb8b1ffa9217aeb9776abb1a61189007f4d2e17b18e674ffc250728&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671 Interesting...

[cunning pollen]

literally a fraction of a percent chance for this to happen lol

[cursive oyster]

not with the queen

[tired fulcrum]

Its more like 1% with queen rolling 3 22%s

[brittle ridge]

What a spread!

[sage flame]

incredible

[lament spoke]

how do i cope with engagement ring sucking now.....

[magic moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1265370024722305114/image.png?ex=66a1432b&is=669ff1ab&hm=010414923d954c7ff9fdf39602e95efa8ce94d422b7156e8e22a378b1a3ab0dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=268 unofficial 50F speedrun leaderboard

[fair narwhal]

16:36 Medea is FOUL

[tall notch]

That 16:21 Charon is a scam, it's a slow aspect

[mortal vine]

question

is moondust cocaine?

nevermind, just realized cocaine is more easily aquirable

[limpid coral]

its cocaine in your heart <3

[mortal vine]

and cheaper

was I supposed to be grinding for this earlier? I think yes, even though I was

good news however, unlocked nightmare or whatever it's called

okay now I need to commission a pic of meloney snicket (our protagonist) with her mouth covered in moondust, higher than mount olympus

"hey y'all got any more of that moondust?'

crack crack crack the crack into the bowl