h2-builds-and-combat

[bronze bear]

staff just has 3 hammers that all multiplicatively double damage with each other? wtf

[magic moss]

manaless staff supremacy baby

[surreal hazel]

But also doubles your omega attacks and dashstrikes

[bleak night]

it also has one that just boosts your power by 30, which is fun

[bronze bear]

yeah I meant wicked, mirrored, and rapid

[bleak night]

Distant Wallop is pretty great, too

[surreal hazel]

This is why "+30% channel speed" feels a lot more impactful

[bleak night]

Extending Wallop, sorry

[surreal hazel]

It's not 30% faster, its 43% faster

[cunning pollen]

I like it on the double dash-strike since I can do it while moving away, putting enough distance for the bonus to take effect

[magic moss]

extending is so underrated its crazy i love extending

[cunning pollen]

and it hits from half a screen away

[surreal hazel]

Which is why they're multiplicative

If they added, 110% attack speed would mean it happens uhhh... negative ten times faster

[bleak night]

I was able to get Wicked Thrasher + Extending and it was pretty good

in general, Staff attack hammers are mostly good options. One of the ones I probs won't take is the anti-armour one

[magic moss]

think i had a hammer tierlist somewhere

[surreal hazel]

You say that but....

[magic moss]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[surreal hazel]

Mirrored melting thrasher insta deletes armour in one touch

[magic moss]

tierlist is accounting for all fear and aspects, mana and manaless so

[bleak night]

Heya which boon is this one? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257334483187929148/image.png?ex=6684077c&is=6682b5fc&hm=161fae3cb3e684dc48d7bfd2b22c08fed9fc37ed3777136b8286d1f77f492fd4&

[bleak night]

Oh, armour is just usually not that much of an issue is all

[magic moss]

thats one of the weak modifiers no? either the take more damage or more potent

[bleak night]

lemme check

ah it's sweet surrender

[surreal hazel]

Maybe not, but deleting queen lamia in one second flat was funny as hell when I did it

[limpid coral]

how often do you have to play before you can recognize boons just from the icon

[surreal hazel]

(Volcanic strike deals damage after the armour got stripped)

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah

[magic moss]

dont ask

[limpid coral]

like i've been watching spire and playing slice and dice for at least several hundred hours and i can recognize anything there

[cunning pollen]

Many are probably not that great if you've optimized your meta-progression and build, but lots of people will probably not get to that point

[surreal hazel]

Also deleting the armour from some of the tartarus tanks is no bad use

[limpid coral]

but in this game its all generic to me

[cunning pollen]

I like Aetheric a lot personally, because I use it for a dynamic Gain substitute

now that many of the gains require you to do some work to restore mana

[surreal hazel]

Giga is lulzy

[magic moss]

is this a response to someone?

[cunning pollen]

the hammer convo

[surreal hazel]

Apollo giga moonburst is a nuke

[magic moss]

oh

[past pewter]

idk all the h1 icons and ive played that for >1000

so probably quite a while

[bleak night]

icons this time around aren't very intuitive to me unless they're the core boons

[past pewter]

they are similarly similar to each other

[bleak night]

I can easily differentiate Hera from Poseidon boons now because I use Hera so much, at least

[surreal hazel]

Chaos boons read the most easily

[bleak night]

I like the Artemis and Hades boon icons

[limpid coral]

all the strikes flourishes rings and sprints have a common pattern at least and some are distinctive enough (mint, shield, dying wish, stuff) but the rest are just like wow! shapes! what does this mean

[past pewter]

aphro: buncha hearts

[spare kite]

Chaos/hades icons are so gooooood

[bronze bear]

why do chronos time bubbles sometimes do no damage and sometimes I take 24?

[bleak night]

Frinos

[bronze bear]

I mean the large ones that trap you in stasis

[surreal hazel]

The ring effect hitting you?

[bleak night]

phase 1 ones ?

[bronze bear]

yeah phase 1

[bleak night]

Not sure which is which since I try to avoid, but I think when he teleports away, the statis field he leaves behind does damage

the one that doesn't is when he teleports away in order to become invulnerable, since has has 4 of those phases

[surreal hazel]

It's kinda funny how buffed anti armour mods are in this game and they're still just okay

[magic moss]

nah the stasis fields are the same ones as the tempus

if you stand in the field as it pops you take damage if you run into a preexisting field then no damage but still freeze

[bleak night]

anyone have experience with YT? They're telling me to wait before I can put more custom thumbnails on my videos

[bronze bear]

I think I just get trapped while leaving lol, playing blades has me getting trapped more often than before

sometimes I dash the wrong direction into instead of out

[bleak night]

what're ya doing with blades ?

[bronze bear]

not much I'm too slow with blades

[bleak night]

also I just learned something new

Apollo Sprint on Charon is also kinda optimal

those dashes you do while Omega Specialing to reposition? They're faster with Apollo Sprint

[steel sequoia]

i always lurk apollo or hermes sprint

[limpid coral]

is this a thing i heard about with like using sprint boons, like do they affect when you dash while holding a charge?

[bleak night]

Those two are a lovely combo

[bronze bear]

apollo sprint applies on dashes without sprinting?

[bleak night]

I was rewatching my 48F Thessaly run since it's sitting in my folders, and I noticed that when I dash in the middle of Omega Special it's a lot faster than usual

[bronze bear]

oh you mean it's faster, not that it applies daze?

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlVxmda-Wto at 2:35

[steel sequoia]

maybe its a bug tbh, doesnt looks like it suppose to do that

[bleak night]

idk if this got patched, since previous patch

[bronze bear]

what, it charges faster? weird

[steel sequoia]

its basically a non charged special

[bronze bear]

lmao how fast were you in that video, that looks like 80%

[bleak night]

it looks so funny

[limpid coral]

sudden cleaver at home

[steel sequoia]

u had sudden cleaver or something

[magic moss]

ok work time i wanna play hades

[bronze bear]

i don't recognise icons but the boons show at 1:17

[steel sequoia]

tbh that looks more mandatory on charon than any ring lmao... sprint and lucid gain gg basically

[bleak night]

plus his Cast is really good and his Special is kinda the best on it...

[bronze bear]

yeah you're right, it charges faster when you dash

feels like a bug lol

[bleak night]

that's 4 core slots being just one god, and it's Origination 1/2, so you just need Dem for Cyclone

wow, what a hard aspect to build

[bleak night]

can't help but wish we knew that earlier on lol, I didn't connect the dots

so Nitro Boost + Blinding Sprint just boosts your charge time

[bronze bear]

time to give up Vow of Forsaking

[bleak night]

do a fun run and see how fast it charges

[steel sequoia]

nitro does that too?

[bronze bear]

it's possible all ms buffs affect dash-special charge time

[bleak night]

I'm guessing it stacks with sprint speed rather than just Apollo's Sprint cutting its chargetime

[steel sequoia]

i do play a lot but i never really pay attention

[surreal hazel]

There's that weurd bug where you can charge axe attack, press and hold dash, activating the omega, and smithy sprint starts to channel

[bleak night]

Hold on, that kinda explains a lot of things right now

[bronze bear]

so the 18g 10%, lucid sprint, nitro sprint, hermes keepsake

[bleak night]

You know how people are saying Charon def charges fairly faster with Metallic Droplet ?

What if that's from the movespeed rather than the channeling time reduc

[surreal hazel]

It might be this:

[steel sequoia]

droplet gives 20% faster charging

[silent crow]

does normal channel speed even affect charon

[bronze bear]

it's probably both

[bleak night]

because the Hermes boon for chargetime reduc and the Chaos one don't make Omega Special faster on Charon

[bronze bear]

what, they don't? that sounds like a bug too

[bleak night]

so if it scales off of movement speed instead, then that'd be kinda big to build around, no ?

[surreal hazel]

Attack speed actually improves channelling speed, but if metallic droplet also improves channelling speed as well...

[bronze bear]

what an odd weapon

[bleak night]

Let me test it out

[surreal hazel]

It's applying it twice

[steel sequoia]

i think its more a bug than odd

[bleak night]

I'll go ahead and reinstall PonyMenu so I can put boons on in training

[steel sequoia]

like doesnt make sense speed is coded for omega, if you make it faster than charging it faster. they would have to coded it really bad to be that

[spare kite]

Wait so mvnt speed affects charge?

[surreal hazel]

Rapid thrasher improves omega attack chanelling time so....

[bleak night]

Alright mod installed, let me test rn

[steel sequoia]

check the hermes speedpls

[wintry idol]

question.
the longer you stay in tartaros, the more minions the locations spawns?

[surreal hazel]

More locations

[spare kite]

Taking any non numbered door increases enemy spawns

[bleak night]

doesn't seem to be all that different ?

did that get patched or something ? The vid is from last patch after all

let me try chargetime reduc boons

[wintry idol]

so... is slower to go to the event room then?

[bleak night]

charge time reduc boons besides Sudden Cleaver barely feel any different

if anything, only Sudden Cleaver has a noticeable difference

[spare kite]

Yeah

[bleak night]

idk if that's just because of the nature of the mod, but I'll try a real run with it later

[wintry idol]

....
NO MORE BOLDY LUCK ON MY SPEEDRUNS

[bronze bear]

[bleak night]

Yeah, I just skip Hades if I find my build is good enough for it. I do take the detour if I want Howling Soul though

[spare kite]

Brain sees howling soul, brain happy

[bleak night]

until you fire it off and it goes into the aether

[bronze bear]

my biggest fear and why I avoid hestia/hades ranged casts

[spare kite]

I would say simply don't miss but the homing is wacky

[bronze bear]

irrationally so since hades is actually pretty accurate

[bleak night]

Glowing Coal is alright because it just goes in a straight line

Howling Soul likes to curve and stuff

[steel sequoia]

sometimes howling soul tracks a stupid spawning timemob and goes all the way out of the screen lmao

[bleak night]

it happens a lot more than we'd think, yeah. I was wondering why my cast button wasn't working in my Charon run

Turns out it was out of bounds and I couldn't see it

[surreal hazel]

Howling soul tries to home in on the closest enemy from when you cast it, but can't steer well

[bronze bear]

well it should home on any enemy near the straight line of where i aim

instead of behind lmao

[surreal hazel]

At least use a forward cone, yeah

[steel sequoia]

if ur using charon and apollo you prolly have lucid gain and wanna play mid range howling soul anyways

now with the sprint making it faster looks easier for me

[silent crow]

at least howling soul does a ton of dmg

[steel sequoia]

@bleak night have you tested the Nitro Boost if it make special faster?

[bleak night]

It definitely doesn't make it any faster, no

hold on, I have an idea I wanna test. brb

[steel sequoia]

so might be an Blinding Sprint bug

[bronze bear]

wat? nimble limbs don't make it faster?

[bleak night]

Nimble Mind doesn't, no

[steel sequoia]

Nitro Boost i wanted to say

check the Nitro Boost

cause if you get like an epic one on top of blinding sprint it would be a sudden cleaver basically

who runs this website? https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app

[bleak night]

Yeah, still nothing

I also just learned that Sudden Cleaver makes your Omega Special projectile speed faster, not just the channeling

[steel sequoia]

yeah i knew that intuitivelly

so i think we f10 blinding sprint lmao

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah

[tired fulcrum]

What

[timber pawn]

Ya sudden cleaver is the best channeling improvement for charon by like a lot, from what I understand

[steel sequoia]

for any specials, its mandatory on pan too

i think the special builds suffer more from not having sudden cleaver than the attack ones that you already spam stuff

[timber pawn]

I think programmatic tested this and it was like 10 frames or something

[bleak night]

I just did a little surface run to see if I'm ready for it. Seems so https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257353544173092905/image.png?ex=6684193d&is=6682c7bd&hm=d801fa82c2253c30df195d5b65d614d76629b138e372536a90d96dedb196ebf1&

I gotta say though, it's really hard to get used to those Ephyra enemies. I suppose it'll come better with time, but still

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1257356479657283717/20240701162500_1.jpg?ex=66841bf9&is=6682ca79&hm=3740f2e16868ecc704c892a68aff4c4d4f5b72bd3f1bbba8ae52f9cbee2caac5& is there a faster clear with eos anywhere on the speedrun rankings?

[bleak night]

I don't think people play Eos in general lol

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s69B4cWtPkg huh apparently previous patch there was a 8:19

[bleak night]

ah, well they divide categories per patch if you wanna submit. Tbh it's only got 3 submissions rn for patch 3 lol

[timber pawn]

There's a lot in queue, I think someone has a sub 10 eos but idk if they submitted

[tall notch]

Yeah I don't think I'll submit a run that isn't even sub-10

[tired fulcrum]

Well there was an 8:20 last patch, nothing this patch yet

Rip verifiers everytime a major patch releases

[past pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1256245832240336926/20240628095049_1.jpg?ex=6684061a&is=6682b49a&hm=19f83e15b4310dc55d0fd1bac7253edba263ceeee5e6a81192f0169b9088e337& found this for current patch

not verified

[timber pawn]

There's like 40+ in the queue atm

[tall notch]

damn they fast

[bleak night]

dear lord

[past pewter]

funny hoarding slash duo

[bleak night]

Phial'd Silver Streak too

[timber pawn]

Golden rule is meta atm lol

[summer seal]

To quote Seto Kaiba, "Screw the rules, I have Money!"

[oblique crater]

oh it also doesn't hit what you want it to more than half the time

[silent crow]

HOW DID I FORGET IT DOESNT HAVE AUTOAIM ON CONTROLLER HAHAHHAHAHAHAA

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. I did my staff runs on controller

[oblique crater]

I used to love spamming Omegas with the old Born Gain but it got old quickly, and with the rebalanced mana boons the misses hurt more.

[surreal hazel]

Howling Soul is great if you grabbed a Chasm boon from Chaos on the way

Cast +% damage is so unassuming in how powerful it truly is

Mostly down to the fact the core boons don't do +%damage, but set the base damage, so your Chasm boon multiplies with that

I do need to experiment with what Cast damage bonuses actually apply to, pretty sure it applies to Tier 2 cast boons like Prominence Flare

[uneven palm]

They made Golden Rule even more broken?? I was more than fine with Spiteful here #h2-victory-boasting message then I got golden rule and attacks one-shot most of Tart

[timber pawn]

@tall notch if you want to try more speed stuff I'd be happy to discuss/coach. I believe in you getting sub10

[prisma wind]

Hi, i'm trying to do some 12/16/20 fear runs, but i don't know what to take on the Oath
For the moment i have :

• Desperation 2
• Wandering 2
• Fury I
• Panic
  That makes a total of 10 fear, but it's not enough for what i need
  What else should i pick?

[limpid coral]

fury 2 scars dominance arrogance 4 forsaking revs 1 in some combination

[bleak night]

Depends on the weapon, usually

[tall notch]

Sure, when are you free?

[jagged python]

brother what is this attack https://i.imgur.com/SnZUkx9.mp4

are you supposed to dodge regardless of position/distance?

is this supposed to be like a darksouls iframe dodge

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252075210933276763/thank_you_dark_souls.mp4?ex=66840328&is=6682b1a8&hm=5e6ee3171442aecf0d5593ae98d334f02cc82666eaf4a8c54bd95183193784a1&

[surreal hazel]

The succ

[jagged python]

i think this is the first time i encounter an attack that has to be iframed, weird that it happens kinda late and isnt really telegraphed

[surreal hazel]

It is telegraphed, and its rotation is very slow at that point so you can circle around

Unless it's fury, in which case, oh well

[prisma wind]

128 damage???

[limpid coral]

it sure does look a bit funky as what is effectively a hitscan attack with a slow animation

like if the hitbox appeared alongside the tornado-looking thingy or expanded to full size as it appeared maybe it wouldn't look so jarring

[jagged python]

im on ultrawide it was effectively from off-screen for non UW players

[magic moss]

ive been hit by 160 before

[blazing elbow]

What is the best aspect for Ignium?

[magic moss]

they all work and are good in their own ways

[blazing elbow]

But isn't there one superior to the others?

[magic moss]

Foolish has multiple 50F clears on moros and is working on 55F, ColdShade is a diehard Eos believer (for good reason) and has cleared 50F, and Mel torches are just solid overall. They all require different playstyles (maybe not Eos and Mel) and work in their own ways. If you want one that is thought to be superior, it would be Moros

[blazing elbow]

Understand
Thanks bro

[surreal hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1257403460098457660/20240701193038_1.jpg?ex=668447ba&is=6682f63a&hm=ff02d649ed76469d45130bf166deebefa2e851671eb5132be76a99eefefc1002& Managed to get my attack speed down to 17.2% of normal swing time

I have a video if anyone wants to see how silly it gets

[steel sequoia]

lmao you stacked like almost everything

[surreal hazel]

I turend down Hellsplitter just so I could keep up the speed

even though it would've been an upgrade

[timber pawn]

I'd love to see it

[surreal hazel]

it's uploading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QG0wLAvQc

No HD yet, but here @timber pawn

[silent crow]

wow eos is boring

i did a 50f attempt with it

[magic moss]

win lose?

[silent crow]

lost to chronos

[magic moss]

rippppppppppppp

[silent crow]

that was att1 tho which is really promising

but goddamn this weapon is so sleeper

hold attack simulato

if i got trusty shield i mightve won but i forgot to roll the midboss door in fields

i have no idea how to build weapons that want a magic regen and a primary boon on 50f

[magic moss]

unseen is enough for eos

since you arent channeling while normal attacking once daybreaker is out

[timber pawn]

That is very fast hahaha

[silent crow]

ya thats why im using it

eos is literally just get hitch and stack single target dmg

very easy to build

so good starter for 50f

[surreal hazel]

about 6x faster than regular Axe

[fervent narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1257411095744745575/image.png?ex=66844ed6&is=6682fd56&hm=3e5156ab30330bdae12d771dac498ccfcf6b5a5b90d75a2ddcc039225e97d640& got the cherished heirloom duo boon and this looks to fun to not use vs chronos

[silent crow]

holy real

[surreal hazel]

+50%? yeeesh

Wasn't Rank 4 keepsake buffed?

[silent crow]

yes

[fervent narwhal]

my build sucks tho so it might not be that noticeable but still

[surreal hazel]

anyone got the numbers on those?

[silent crow]

on the dmg increase from crits?

[surreal hazel]

on the new rank 4 keepsakes

[silent crow]

oh um yeah but idk where they are

[fervent narwhal]

i havent left the keepsake stand so i have them all in front of me max rank but might be spam to send that many pictures

[surreal hazel]

I know rank 6 weapons are more like rank 8

I mean some can't have been buffed, like Concave shell was already maxed at 100%

[fervent narwhal]

god keepsakes aswell

[surreal hazel]

they don't even have a rank 4

[fervent narwhal]

ah didnt notice the stars

[dawn cipher]

Phychic whirlwind or advanced whirlwind

[surreal hazel]

Phychic

advancing whirlwind is a liability

[fervent narwhal]

is there a specifc keepsake you want to see now btw before i leave the area?

[surreal hazel]

hrm

Moonbeam

[fervent narwhal]

really?

[wise idol]

Moon beam is +7

[surreal hazel]

daaang

[fervent narwhal]

should i fight chronos with moon beam or white antler?

[surreal hazel]

so keepsake rank 4 is more like 5

[wise idol]

White antler for sure lol

[fervent narwhal]

experimental hammer is pretty overkill btw.. it goes up to 30 encounters

[iron ember]

yo! if i was going to try out a 50 fear run, what sort of fear loadout should I do?

[surreal hazel]

only relevant if you somehow pull Cherished heirloom in erebus

[surreal hazel]

I wasn't asking you to use moonbeeam, I just wanted to know what its rank 4 is now

[fervent narwhal]

i know i was joking

[surreal hazel]

but the pattern seems to be just rank 4 is just rank 5

except for concave shell

[wise idol]

Except with antler and concave stone

Antler is like a rank 7 and stone is rank 4

[fervent narwhal]

btw my build sucks but after doing only 1 room now in tartarus i do so much damage, kinda sad i didnt have anything better but oh well

[surreal hazel]

White antler doesn't need to be 60%...

[fervent narwhal]

level 4 white antler is great

[wise idol]

It’s 50

[surreal hazel]

I wish you could take a rank 4 dischordant bell from the start

[fervent narwhal]

that would be fun

[surreal hazel]

hrm, which other ones

I mean, there's boring mcboringson's option of 250 gold from the coin purse

[fervent narwhal]

ok ive done another room and ill heavily reccomend to rush this duo boon just to use rank 4 antler vs chronos.. it feels so nice

[surreal hazel]

and the luckier tooth is now better than an actual DD

(usually)

[limpid coral]

how much better does it feel than 3 star antler

[fervent narwhal]

i never use 3 star antler, might start doing it after its rework but havent played a lot after the patch due to no more content

but there is a difference.. no point using anything else at 4 star.. heracles is good if you dont wanna lose the hp

[surreal hazel]

+70% starting bonus?

[dawn cipher]

how do I add pics

[surreal hazel]

upload them to elsewhere and link them here

[magic moss]

its not really any different, just 10% more crit

[fervent narwhal]

@surreal hazel i just left but i think it said 60

[surreal hazel]

eh, not amazing

[dawn cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/906984386199683102/1257414558885216266/Screenshot_2024-07-01_151442.png?ex=66845210&is=66830090&hm=f6a9bc4c0214c5b776bf65cf9305ed1c1156204ffd3223843c8803ce40cdee7a&

What do I go for here

[fervent narwhal]

oh my image got automodded for potential spam

[limpid coral]

flaming shredder hooooly

[fervent narwhal]

odd

[surreal hazel]

interesting choices

[fervent narwhal]

@dawn cipher hestia keepsake?

or more aphrodite

[dawn cipher]

I just destroyed the sirens in 30 secs so I'm feeling great

[fervent narwhal]

i pretty much only use that aspect, its great

[dawn cipher]

Aphrodite I already used

[fervent narwhal]

hestia then i guess.. depends on what you want

more scorch boons

[surreal hazel]

if you have a max experimental hammer, then use that, I pretty much always do there

[fervent narwhal]

i find it kinda bad on axe.. or atleast if you go for an attack build

[surreal hazel]

yeah, there's the odd duff roll

[fervent narwhal]

whats that

[surreal hazel]

bad random weapon enchantments you might get saddled with

there are times you really don't want advancing whirlwind or hellsplitter

[fervent narwhal]

ye thats why i stopped picking it on axe.. i prefer attack builds aswell and there isnt many attack upgrades for it

[surreal hazel]

I've also only just noticed that Hell Splitter is a play on Stygius' World Splitter upgrade

Although, on that note

I'd kinda love like, an inverted Hell Splitter,

Flurry splitter, repeats the first two swipes with no delay to repeat the chain

(maybe 70 base damage for each hit)

[silent crow]

advancing whirlwind is good

[surreal hazel]

might be too similar to just using omega attack

[surreal hazel]

have they fixed being unable to dash during it?

[silent crow]

yes

[silent crow]

you can already do that if you animation cancel good

[surreal hazel]

yeah, but also the damage bonus, I kinda loved flurry slash

[silent crow]

wow a damage bonus so interesting

idk how to feel about flurry slash

[surreal hazel]

okay Mr. naysayer, you've made your point, you don't like the idea

[silent crow]

it was fun sometimes but idk

it had that weird drawback if u wanted to use the sword normally

[surreal hazel]

the hold-to-attack thing would need to go

[silent crow]

hmm maybe

i feel like hold to attack should be a basic accessibility setting for all weps

[surreal hazel]

....autofire is literally in the accessability options

[silent crow]

and you can map omegas to a different button

[silent crow]

yeah and it sucks it tries to do a full weapon combo and then tries to charge an omega

[surreal hazel]

and yeah, that'd be nice, but I feel they're keeping LT available for companions or simiar

[silent crow]

thats tru

[inland bobcat]

What builds should I try out after the patch

[cursive oyster]

scorch

[magic moss]

engagement ring with scorch, infusions with pos and dem, apollo charon

[tender anvil]

Anyone know the precise mechanics of how Freezer Burn works? Particular questions: does it only proc when you apply a fresh freeze effect on a foe with a burn stack, or are there any corner cases where it works as well? For example, applying burn to a frozen enemy (does it proc instantly?), or attempting a freeze on an immune enemy with a burn stack?

[fervent narwhal]

@inland bobcat golden rule

[inland bobcat]

What golden rule?

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon hera duo

Gives flat 10 damage per 100 gold you have

[dawn cipher]

wt the

thats op especially with flames no?

[magic moss]

its good as a fun low fear run on just about every weapon

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah op on anything that hits somewhat quickly. Also it works on cast

[dawn cipher]

HUH

NAH storm ring go brrrrr

[tired fulcrum]

So like your dem or zeus cast can do 100s of damage per tick

[fervent narwhal]

@dawn cipher its the speedrun strat right now.. you get it early and more gold from chaos or hermes and then just farm 8K gold

you literally oneshot chronos basically

[tired fulcrum]

They reallly thought 5% wasnt op enough

And also reducing the prereqs

[silent crow]

cant believe the speedrun strat is money stacking

[inland bobcat]

What keepsake should I be starting with if you want good mana regeneration

[silent crow]

depends on the weapon

[tired fulcrum]

Depends on wep

[silent crow]

i think ionic gain works for most of them tho??

[tired fulcrum]

Generally the best gains are hestia for basic attack/spesh spam, apollo for charon, hera for other stuff

[silent crow]

is hera rly still the best

[steel sequoia]

man i got double up in oceanus and it never triggered a single time and im in chronos, that must be a bug

i got an epic, pommed and nothing happened

[silent crow]

think u js got owned

[steel sequoia]

i managed to win with 2 life damn persephone might be rough sometimes

hearthrob literally saved my build

[tired fulcrum]

I mean like ionic it scales off max mp except you dont have to go run and interact with a thingy. You just need more mp now

https://imgur.com/a/6RKP2Fe like its enuff for bloodline torches

[silent crow]

thats fair the potential downside is scary tho

[silent crow]

i mean that is at epic rarity with 3 poms and 260 max magic

[tired fulcrum]

I mean also all you need for damage is the gain and bloodline so you can just take and reroll everything into poms and pots

[silent crow]

thats fair

[tired fulcrum]

I wouldnt take hera gain with double arrogance that much tho

Well tbh in this case you can also just pom bug

[silent crow]

i dont like relying on that

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh its prob also easier in surface

[silent crow]

i will try bloodline torches eventually tho

[inland bobcat]

They’re good but very mana intensive

[dawn cipher]

best hades boon?

like the one you receive from tartarus

[silent crow]

i like deep dissent and howling soul

they serve different purposes so idt theres a clear best

[dawn cipher]

I currently like life tax so I enter the battle full hp

[silent crow]

life tax is also good ya

[dawn cipher]

But I wanted to see what people think

[silent crow]

im high fear brainrotted and on high fear life tax does nothing

[dawn cipher]

yeah I havent unlocked fear yet

[silent crow]

ahhh i see

i highly recommend deep dissent it makes chronos phase 2 much easier

[dawn cipher]

WAIT IT AFFECTS THAT

like the hourglass things

[limpid coral]

the hourglasses sure are reinforcements that chronos summons. what would make u think that they aren't

[vague dew]

What boons should I be looking for with persephone skull builds?

Aphro cast + demeter attack seems pretty good, bunch em then freeze em then omega special em but not sure what else i should be on the lookout for

[silent crow]

ya it only makes them spawn from 12-5 on the clock

[dawn cipher]

I think I might beat cronos

I have 4 defys and am on 2nd phase

[steel sequoia]

manaless staff is so boring, thank god i found rapid thrasher in the end

[tall notch]

Death to Chronos!!

[dawn cipher]

I did it... finally

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/906984386199683102/1257443695586705491/Screenshot_2024-07-01_170136.png?ex=66846d33&is=66831bb3&hm=67d9a1c6255b3caf072de102cda16e9b607929727721fca7ab11e7a7adac2fbd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[magic moss]

@tall notch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257444755667816448/image.png?ex=66846e2f&is=66831caf&hm=e4e7d963e290af07ef5994079e7ccdc8aa9abc77ddfacf0a701501f61b0228f7& im going to cry

[tall notch]

#alwayspunished

[magic moss]

you wanna know the worst part

i got onioned on the reward thing and i only have the infusion and hera/hestia duo left

and i got 3 individual single spawn rooms across erebus and oceanus

[tall notch]

are you winning?

do it for Eos 🥺

[silent crow]

real talk why do u like eos

[tall notch]

Why wouldn't I? It's fun to play and the ghost is cute

[silent crow]

its so boring for me

[steel sequoia]

have u ever played moros?

[silent crow]

i cant even see the ghost most of the time bc of the clutter

[silent crow]

yes

i like torches in general

[magic moss]

this is like my 3rd run today and ive had hippo room into hippo room into armored hippo room back to back to back in erebus

i havent seen arachne once or a midshop

im having like the best boon rng but the absolute fcking WORST EREBUS RNG ARE YOU KKIDDING ME

I HAD 1:30 GOING INTO HECATE AND SHE DIVIDED 5 TIMES

[tall notch]

REMEMBER THAT DAYBREAKER IS SMART AND KNOWS WHICH HECATE IS LEGIT

[magic moss]

THAT DOESNT MATTER WHEN SHE SPLITS INTO NARNIA 5 TIMES

[tall notch]

YES IT DOES MATTER JUST FOLLOW HER TO NARNIA

[magic moss]

ok have a really good run so far out of erebus

im like gonna take a 10 min break cuz holy hell i am like tilted beyond belief

not from this run, this run is insane so far

are you kidding me my computer went to sleep and now xbox game bar wont open and my recording stopped

[steel sequoia]

if u arent using this than sorry https://store.steampowered.com/gamerecording

[inland bobcat]

What’s the best special for Charon

[steel sequoia]

probably hera or apollo

[next chasm]

Apollo is generally better

[magic moss]

and my computer blue screened

alrighty then so that recording is fricked

[regal tundra]

So, with last patch's changes to arcana cards, can you suggest your favorite setups?
(Still having changed mine cuz I'm rocking 33 arcana and the power-gamer in me is afraid to lose that advantage. Don't judge me.)

[steel sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1255581717100757033/20240626145258_1.jpg?ex=66843e98&is=6682ed18&hm=5f6893ce85d4c0696cda62812925e4141544f128c4d97e8c630a90d3a22f77e6&

i dont chage at all for any build now, unless ur playing 50f i dont think you need to change anything

[regal tundra]

Thx, my current setup is missing Death and I really want to try it

[silent crow]

death sucks lol

[regal tundra]

lmao, maybe it does but I didn't try it since the change

[silent crow]

u can only rly use it on perseph and momus

[tropic prairie]

Hey y'all I just got tk chronos's second phase and got half his health, but he has this weird attack which dealt a 1000 damage (insta kill). The floor goes red and the attack lands. How exactly do I counter this? I couldn't get a good look on the attack itself coz it seemed sudden

[silent crow]

stand on the circle that isnt red

[worthy epoch]

There will be a lit up part of the floor that you need to stand on 😁

[magic moss]

you'll see one circle on the clock that the red circles around and you hage to stand on it

[tropic prairie]

That's it? Bruv I almost had him dammit. Four heroic boons and one death defiance that makes everything move slow and I still died

[amber osprey]

/pat pat
we've all been there

https://tenor.com/view/encouragement-quotes-encouraging-quotes-positive-energy-positive-thoughts-cheer-up-gif-26180686

[magic moss]

@tall notch OF COURSE THE ONE RUN WHERE MY COMPUTER BLUE SCREENS AND MY RECORDING BREAKS I BEAT I WILL KMS https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257467041833812070/image.png?ex=668482f1&is=66833171&hm=79189030fb688b5e9770df6dd8236935a3ae0f1aea2dee842c8eb198050c6340&

[tall notch]

HEY YOU STILL DID IT

WELL DONE, YOU ARE NOW A CERTIFIED EOS GAMER

[past salmon]

Yooooo gg

[magic moss]

i have the video but in 2 snippets so ill just smash them together and upload them

so you'll see like an 8 minute pause screen and then oceanus resetting cuz my computer went to sleep, recording software stopped, then my computer blue screened cuz lmfao

hell i even swapped recording softwares to try the steam beta one

[steel sequoia]

i wont congratulate bc i think yall 50f people are harming yourselves

[magic moss]

so the video is going to be jank as hell

[past salmon]

😭

[steel sequoia]

not healthy fr

[warped harness]

medea feels horrible idk how people speedrun with this

i bonk into an enemy and then just take chip each time

[timber pawn]

If you hit the side or back of them you don't, usually

There is definitely a learning curve

[past salmon]

Imo simply don't get hit

Nah Medea is definitely a rough one for sure. It takes a bit of learning enemy interactions

[warped harness]

im sorry but when im fighting full health 2 heart armored enemies with 40% speed idk if thats

[past salmon]

Mf on 50F?

[warped harness]

24

[past salmon]

Take off rebuke on 24 bro 😭

[warped harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422149143205773315/1257471775139172362/image.png?ex=66848759&is=668335d9&hm=3b837743d24ca30b0891639891ffe7869fbf880fe045e6c9f361c2809f946ad1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

but how else do i hit it?

[past salmon]

https://youtu.be/6RC6rLhDQ6Q?si=8dJkmUajYqm5LABJ
If you want to know how to deal with nonsense tho

[warped harness]

o ty

[plain fossil]

this is the most CBT 24f ive ever seen i think

[warped harness]

oh 💀

[past salmon]

Second LVL of wandering, panic, arrogance, take off commotion, put on 2 scars

[past salmon]

Maybe
I saw a 32F that was actually a 50F in disguise tho

[plain fossil]

suffering blood rebuke onion no fury no arrogance?

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1256309588349681816/20240628140503_1.jpg?ex=66804cfa&is=667efb7a&hm=2d42863190e1b8f6a25d98333c8c3a99109ffa08cf3b749ddf01dda743590e42&

Bro did not want to beat the timer

[warped harness]

5 minute timer good lord

[plain fossil]

scars 0 is definitely a choice

[limpid coral]

but how else will you heal off the timer damage ??

[past salmon]

😭

[magic moss]

good lord what am i looking at

[silent crow]

isnt this yours

[past salmon]

Bro that's what I'm saying

[warped harness]

oh yeah the exp. hammer lasts from oceanus to chronos right? when maxed

[silent crow]

istg wasnt that your first 32f foolish

[magic moss]

that looks harder than my 40F runs

[past salmon]

Bro what 😭

I took Onion in my first 32F I did not take commotion revs rebuke lmao

[warped harness]

what does the 50f vow look like?

[plain fossil]

at full upgrade if u dont take side rooms yes it lasts through fields and tart

[silent crow]

oh

[past salmon]

All except abandon

[warped harness]

abandon would be evil at that much fear

[past salmon]

I am currently attempting 55F
It is in fact evil

[warped harness]

is that even possible?

[past salmon]

I have 2 tart entries 👍
Mynt also has a death to Chronos

[warped harness]

no rerolls, no health bonus besides frinos

ok so it is probably doable

[warped harness]

also whats the thumbnail for this lol

[magic moss]

btw

[past salmon]

It says Medea is free if you just don't get hit lmao

[warped harness]

oh lol

[magic moss]

i had absolutely ungodly rng for my erebus clear it was actually crazy

[past salmon]

That's fire.
Do you think I can do 50F Eos on trackpad

[silent crow]

simply hold attack and win

[warped harness]

has anyone made moros work

[silent crow]

i think its the best aspect in the game rn

[magic moss]

foolish has beat moros 50F prob more times than there are unique 50F clears period

[warped harness]

oh wow

[past salmon]

It's the best aspect in the game. I'm up to like 25 50F clears on it and it's the aspect I have the 2 tart entries on 55F with

[warped harness]

was it just slept on?

[silent crow]

no it got mega buffed after people complained about torches

[past salmon]

It got buffed when torches got buffed.
I did always like it though, it was a lot worse

[warped harness]

or did the last 2 patches give it some support bc i remember ppl mostly ignoring it

[silent crow]

and also people figured out that you can just ospecial and throw ghosts into it and yeah

[past salmon]

Tbf I actually think Charon is a stronger aspect than Moros at everything other than 55F
And that entirely because Charon takes 30 mp for it's move lmao

I wonder if we will eventually get a familiar that gives max magick

[warped harness]

you mean the stationary special hammer?

[past salmon]

No that one sucks

Just like, omega special and hold down attack
Moros gameplay in a nutshell.

[warped harness]

i might give it a shot after ranking it up a little then

i dont have it upgraded at all rn

[magic moss]

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Total # of Unique Clears: 34
# of Unique Clearers (Not counting Old Momus): 12

Staff:
Mel - Foolish, Mynt
Circe - 虞鱼于渔, Mynt
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet, Mynt

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu, cristiWT
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan, Mininet

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Charon
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish, Mynt
Medea - Foolish, Mynt
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

[tall notch]

Is someone turning 24f into 40f again?

[warped harness]

listen 😭

[plain fossil]

not that bad, he didnt click suffering

i seen ppl click suffering at 24 and not know what trusty shield did 💀

[warped harness]

i had 2 hearts and max spawns turned up

they removed it right

[knotty fulcrum]

I did 50f moros 😔. no video tho Ill have to record at some point

[past salmon]

Mynt overtook me in Aspect clears this is so sad.
Lol, if Mynt actually bothers to do torches he should get the all aspects done. I would have it done probs like today or tomorrow if I was able to grind it. I'm away for a week though and all I've got is a trackpad and a dream

[magic moss]

i mean im just keeping track so will update, do you have a victory screen for proof?

could even be just the highest fear cleared tag under an aspect

[warped harness]

how is circe staff played in this patch

[past salmon]

You mash attack 💀

[magic moss]

you play manaless

[warped harness]

what about the serenity?

[magic moss]

haha funny

[past salmon]

Staff is so boring bro I'm ngl 😭
I'm literally cooking up random duo builds just to make the 50F less boring

You ignore serenity

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240383792884093038/1256337097875525793/image.png?ex=66845b19&is=66830999&hm=9c9c47327629cada9fee858604c4a26b2d05498d1f75e991c82c2f042677378c&

[magic moss]

sick ty ty

[past salmon]

Holy stacked build

[knotty fulcrum]

I know zues attack:)))

[warped harness]

dang

[magic moss]

lmk of any 50F clears and ill update whenever

[knotty fulcrum]

yeap elementary build saved me fr (gave me CG)

[past salmon]

Bro all my recent 50F Moros clears have been me crawling to the finish line with garbage rng

Like I keep getting shafted on gain boons bro 😭 lucid ionic and glamour gain are not it

[knotty fulcrum]

what's your start I know jdeeyu starts with wheel

[magic moss]

the fact that you're even able to get thereis a testament to how cracked you are i would've reset out of tilt or just die

[past salmon]

I do wheel but mainly cuz it's practice for 55F, where wheel is the only start

[knotty fulcrum]

why?

[past salmon]

Hestia might be better for early hearth gain

[plain fossil]

if u dont have unseen card and u dont have wheel then ur build doesnt do anything if it needs a lot of mana

[past salmon]

Cuz no rerolls and I'd rather not reset everytime I don't see hearth gain offered on room 3. Also whenever Hestia doesn't show up for 6 rooms, also when I get bad RNG and the first couple rooms take minutes to clear.

[knotty fulcrum]

for the first 3 rooms. than you get hearth gain

[knotty fulcrum]

ok fair. but when youre doing 55 I assume you have to take some risks

[past salmon]

Sometimes 💀

[plain fossil]

we have an eternal optimist i see

[past salmon]

I mean
Wheel is working
It's fine

Maybe I should do some Hestia attempts tbf

[silent crow]

the onion will snuff them out in due time

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah I know wheel works in erebus but when I tried it I just couldn't get a good gain. tbf I don't even know what a good gain is other than hestia

[plain fossil]

if hestia is so much better than every other option that its impossible to win without it specifically then it makes sense to click

[past salmon]

Yeah but it makes me happier getting out of Erebus and then resetting then resetting room 3 7 runs in a row

[plain fossil]

if its not then dont

i played a bit of moros after u guys spent a month hyping it and born gain still seems pretty useable on it

[knotty fulcrum]

with hestia you can do 30 mana pool

[past salmon]

It probably goes Hestia>Hera>>Poseidon>Lucid>>>>>>>>everything else

Do not the glamour gain

[knotty fulcrum]

really?

[past salmon]

It's too slow

[knotty fulcrum]

I mean yeah I always forget you also do omega attacks

[plain fossil]

glamour gain looked so good in the patch notes

every time i click it now i get mad

mynt says its good on melee blades but i have nfi what u use any gain for on melee blades

[knotty fulcrum]

I take it in no mana runs now cause of weak and I think I just lose dps cause of it

[plain fossil]

i think its just an aoe weak with zero range lmao

[tall notch]

Glamour gain is good as long as you don't actually want to use the regen part. Similar to Heph's in this regard

[stoic ridge]

its a good primer for origination

[plain fossil]

so its like the dash but bad 😦

[warped harness]

do i bother going for hera/hestia duo? is it good?

[magic moss]

its good because you dont use enough mana on blades to require a strong MANA gain boon, but also the perma weak around you is insane for defensive utility as its both a curse and a 30% dmg resistance

[magic moss]

top 5 duo in the game

[warped harness]

alright 👍

[magic moss]

also does anyone know whos in charge of the crossroads site for hades 2

[plain fossil]

i mean i know what weak does lul like i said in the post below it

[magic moss]

cuz uh nice boons you got there apollo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257479374559776858/image.png?ex=66848e6d&is=66833ced&hm=42043502f555e5502f507a3be134abae8c94b78688965366dee142d7f7bb8807&

[plain fossil]

what im saying is u dont need a gain at all on melee blades so its bad passion dash

[knotty fulcrum]

isn't omega attack ok? you can just reposition yourself ig

[magic moss]

i personally like it more than passion dash because its always active around you, and you dash to apply weak means you're in glamour range to apply weak regardless

[plain fossil]

yea but one of those things knocks off blue shields and one doesnt

[magic moss]

requries a charge up time and does too little for the cost

[plain fossil]

like if im not clicking omegas then all glamour gain does is turn off huntress

[magic moss]

using passion dash to knock off blue shields on melee blades is very suboptimal regardless

[plain fossil]

and maybe save u some damage over passion dash every so often if something is close and u didnt dash at it

obviously its not what u want to do but sometimes its what it does

as opposed to glamour gain which never does even by accident

anyway i just wanted to check if theres some reason for ppl to actually use mana on melee blades seems like there isnt

some random omega cast that ppl are doing or something idk

[past salmon]

You can run explosive ambush Artemis sort of
I somewhat used it in my 50F clear

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1257480403183341618/image.png?ex=66848f62&is=66833de2&hm=0453bd2942ca2e1f81ed4249e0789a5530811628f20cc45deb34a269ef979c95& chat why does that reach

[past salmon]

Lurker moment

[magic moss]

thats nothing compared to what ive experienced

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257481158606716989/image.png?ex=66849017&is=66833e97&hm=b5f4be08da68e7ca0eae6697b2702846fcf756eecc4c5c41716c3a816e7f5ebc& its not even pointing at me

[warped harness]

jesus christ

[plain fossil]

thats close for sharks honestly

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257481382716768357/image.png?ex=6684904c&is=66833ecc&hm=ee6e03ec5dbcd713bef0b1e163b5f9fdd44734f003954b1bb5b98e40a64d6cc0& how about when a guy hits you from behind

[warped harness]

it outranged my attack and i was trying to hit him for stagger

[plain fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751691459580919834/1251862248587133081/image.png?ex=66848e52&is=66833cd2&hm=ac2b2769cf3ca8b18cf5966df3a50ce4730899a386d8af3553bed65310b4b018&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2230&height=1254

this is shark bs from last patch

[plain fossil]

to kill solo big mobs?

[steel sequoia]

shark and hippos are hard

[plain fossil]

i dont mind hippos as much as most of this place

yellow hippos need some looking at tho

[warped harness]

do i keep engraved pin for tart or switch to tooth

[plain fossil]

i prefer pin unless i have a lot of life and i think its going to be impossible to get value out of it in the tart rooms

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1257485718507356182/image.png?ex=66849456&is=668342d6&hm=8438a9a90571e890b86c244f90889020c3dcd02eb0c0331b7e6fc0ce8e2008d9&

[plain fossil]

id keep pin

[warped harness]

👍

[tall notch]

@high fear masochists which blades aspect do you prefer for the manaless WABS build with Hera cast and Poseidon/Hestia attack?

I can't decide between Mel and Artemis for that kind of setup

[magic moss]

artemis if you actually care and intend to use the parry, mel otherwise

[tame spindle]

it depends what fear ur running but i think u still want artemis? u can get a bunch of use out of parry

[plain fossil]

i did a 42 on mel its probably marginally better than artemis esp if u get final slice

[silent crow]

mel imo

[warped harness]

oh does engraved pin only proc when you have dd

[knotty fulcrum]

once per room

[knotty fulcrum]

what didn't you use for 42?

[warped harness]

oh

[plain fossil]

the usual, skipped onion revenants and i think commotion?

im too slow to do 5min 2rev but i think its pretty reasonable on this aspect

manaless blades does a lot of damage it just requires u to stand in dumb places

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok commotion is intresting but makes sense on blades

[tame spindle]

i havent used mel knives at all how forgiving is the backstab range

[plain fossil]

not very

[silent crow]

idk i dont optimize backstabs

[plain fossil]

and some mobs are hard to see, plus the middle part of the stabbies is low range and misses a lot

i just hit things and sometimes it says backstab

[warped harness]

i felt it wasnt that unforgiving

[tame spindle]

yeah i hate thinking of backstabs on mel

[tired fulcrum]

When mel daggers would be garbage even with unconditional +40%

[plain fossil]

anyway i think trying to max out backstabs gets u killed sometimes, its hard enough to stand in safe places on mel blades even without the additional restriction

[warped harness]

yeah no its sadly not something you play for, it's just the ocassional damage bonus

[magic moss]

you just play mel blades like staff but with an added bonus of occasional backstabs

[plain fossil]

im not going to try a 50 on this aspect thats for sure its pretty low qol to play

man i wish u could play mel blades like staff

staff has a dash strike lul mel blades has idk what that thing is but i dont think it counts as either a dash or a strike

[silent crow]

its there to take away your dash iframes randomly

[plain fossil]

ok but on the nice side how good is staff dash strike man its so insane

best dash strike over axe imo

[silent crow]

still feels like ass to use imo but ya its great

[steel sequoia]

i play mel blades better than staff, idk whats wrong with me

[silent crow]

mel axe dash atk is js insaen tho

[silent crow]

i get u daggers has a fun atk combo

[steel sequoia]

i got zeus aphro duo and its stupid

idk if the dash hammer make it better

[silent crow]

just adds more dmg ig lol

[steel sequoia]

Dashing Heave with Romantic Spark should be disgusting

[sacred rock]

why doesnt giga cleaver and exceptional talent stack its sad i want 4 omega specials on axe

[tired fulcrum]

If i could actually use it instead of just doing combo 1 attack whenever i sprint strike after dashing out of a combo

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/34h2zYtLtWY?si=8LqbsyBM21l-PFOF uploaded my scuffed a.ss eos recording

[plain fossil]

Lmao what happened in the middle

[magic moss]

read desc

[plain fossil]

Man u want me to actually click into youtube

Oh u took a break and crashed

[tall notch]

Give it a watch, the part where he says "it's daybreaking time" is my favourite

[magic moss]

fair enough tldr laptop went to sleep as i took a break and recording stopped then laptop blue screened

[plain fossil]

Still counts

[plain fossil]

No i did watch a bit lul i just do it in discord client

[tall notch]

Aaaah I just threw a very playable 50f attempt by clicking the wrong chaos curse 😭

A literal misclick

[plain fossil]

I misclick things more often than i admit

Yesterday i threw a good erebus by misclicking keepsake for oceanus

[steel sequoia]

i hate when i missclick keepsakes

[plain fossil]

I clicked demeter when i alrdy had demeter lul

[past salmon]

Aspect?

[plain fossil]

i think he's trying mel blades

[tall notch]

Circe

[tall notch]

Nah I'll do staff first as it's a similar build but way stronger

[timber pawn]

Oh no

[whole edge]

the fact that an epic volcanic strike at lv5 has a recharge time of 3 seconds is honestly hilarious

[steel sequoia]

the cap is 2s

u need heroic +4 to get to 2s

[whole edge]

oh man

[mighty heart]

What does it mean when it says Your Omega Moves are faster?

[tall notch]

You channel faster

[past salmon]

Yeah honestly the Hermes boon should specify channeling

[mighty heart]

so how fast i can charge it up, not the projectile speed right? for nimble mind

[past salmon]

Yeh

[mighty heart]

they really should clarify lol bc it says Omega Move speed

[amber osprey]

mention it in feedback

[mighty heart]

oh no they must have done it that way for a reason I'm probably just being stupid

[amber osprey]

no I don't think so. in the EA so far there has been a bunch of issues with the way mechanics are described in the UI

it's not intuitive and the devs won't know unless you say something.

[tall notch]

Actually it's inconsistent with wording of other channel speed increases. Might be a good idea to feedback it

[plain fossil]

i rly wish u couldnt freeze ur own resurrected minions

[amber osprey]

sounds like a good feedback post too actually

[plain fossil]

yea theres a bunch of feedbacks up on it alrdy im just currently mad at it lul

[amber osprey]

say something abt it. I will upvote 🙂 honestly I don't recall the last time mentioned something abt that specifically and I read everything in there

[plain fossil]

theres coincidentally one right here that i alrdy clicked: #h2-feedback message

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257543779162919042/image.png?ex=6684ca68&is=668378e8&hm=f8ad41965d5785ecb518712317b674cd9117e4317d96aefe65e26573e6b22e4e& i really hate divination

[silent crow]

simply anti rarify

[magic moss]

i wish i could

[plain fossil]

My brother in desperate need of poms lmao

[magic moss]

bro i ran out of time in erebus because i had no mana

but this is such a god run i want to keep going i have no dds lost them all to overtime

[silent crow]

i believe

u have trusty shile d u can make it thru oceanus

[plain fossil]

i mean if u cant hit things its not a god run right

ur level 0 than axe with no attack boon atm

[silent crow]

simply highroll xhaos keepsake

[magic moss]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO I GOT A MANA POT

[magic moss]

its charon

[silent crow]

u got this ‼️

[magic moss]

i did all of oceanus without getting a single boon

onion where? lmfao

[mighty heart]

how does damage reduction work? if i have god modes 20% resist and that pact that enemies do 20% is that the same as just default?

[plain fossil]

i know that

which is why ur level 0 than axe, u cant use any of the charon aspect with 25 mana except the bit that makes it difficult to reposition ur cast

all u can do is hit things until u get a pom

[magic moss]

what would a pom do

[plain fossil]

give u 20 mana

[magic moss]

wait fr

[plain fossil]

u can get a blue pot too ig

[magic moss]

ive never noticed lmfao

[plain fossil]

yea ofc how did u get 50 fear without at least understanding the pom bug have u just been playing manaless aspects

[magic moss]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[plain fossil]

currently vow of arrogance is bugged and pomming any non-common boon removes the arrogance prime

like u cant even avoid it if u want to atm lul

[magic moss]

ok im actually getting pissed on right now with my mouse it just randomly doesnt want to channel omega special and i get fcked over

lost a dd to it since my special didnt charge and i just got hit for free

[silent crow]

goddamnit

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1257550226395496578/20240702141340_1.jpg?ex=6684d06a&is=66837eea&hm=ba92ec3f58aa35b01e5aa0d53b01204185a4982b049d70f685a331f6bd53ac88&
lmfao
50F trackpad first try
I think Charon might just be a little good
Also lost all my DDs in Erebus cuz im a little goofy silly

[amber osprey]

I cannot imagine losing all my DDs in Erebus and not emotionally giving up the battle

like yeah. I'll play until I die but my heart won't be in it

[past salmon]

I mean you probs should since Echo can just haha silly give back all ur dds

[plain fossil]

yea at least 50% of my runs im just praying for survive survive survive ngl

[amber osprey]

lol yeah I have had some surprise saves. It's just a psychological response

[amber osprey]

Wish Patroclus could show up, if not in the underworld, on the surface to restore all my DDs with pretty decent rng odds

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257552118928113675/image.png?ex=6684d22d&is=668380ad&hm=836ad8417c9bf5ed02823de96c7668082381f8668537c2bc28fe8cf3080f9829& i got like a god run of god runs for charon but regardless yeah this aspect is absolutely a free 50F holy

[silent crow]

EASY SHOT

WOOOOOO

[plain fossil]

did u actually pull out ur brick run lul

i should go back to charon i messed up the last 50f i did on chronos p2

[magic moss]

uploading to youtube you are about to watch the most awkward erebus and oceanus clear on planet earth

[plain fossil]

well more accurately i messed up in fields and ran out of time 8 minutes later but yea

[timber pawn]

This isn't a mouse thing this is an actual glitch I believe

[past salmon]

yeah its by far the easiest 50F lmao

[magic moss]

28% rn on upload

[magic moss]

ok thank the lord it isnt just me i was gonna get a new mouse

i got this mouse like 6 years ago for a birthday present and its been through a lot

[past salmon]

I think I'm like 6/8 on Charon 50F attempts
The other 2 just died to timer in Erebus
its ridiculous how strong and easy this weapon is atm

[timber pawn]

You think just the damage will get tuned?

Like it feels great, it's a fun wep

[past salmon]

idk tbh
I dont even know how I would nerf it

[plain fossil]

u can probably reduce the aoe on omega special

[past salmon]

or whether or not it needs nerfs tbf
They could leave it if they wanted to

[plain fossil]

theres no real reason why it needs to hit the entire screen

[magic moss]

it took me like 5 attempts 2 were from no apollo until encounter like 6 and ran out of time 2 were me being stupid as hell and priming to 0 (i took epic trusty shield at 60 max mana uhhhhhhhhhhh) and the last was the success

[plain fossil]

and hit a lot of it twice

[silent crow]

its fun

i think they could make ospecial charge slower

[plain fossil]

powerful is fun, old momus was also fun

if u just liked deleting things from offscreen that is

[magic moss]

oh yeah @past salmon for some reason i have someone named Charon under the charon clears and i have no idea who it is do you by any chance know?

Hades 2 50F Clearers as of Patch 3
Total # of Unique Clears: 34
# of Unique Clearers (Not counting Old Momus): 10

Staff:
Mel - Foolish, Mynt
Circe - 虞鱼于渔, Mynt
Momus (Old) - Nice
Momus (Rework) - Mininet, Mynt

Blades:
Mel - Mynt
Artemis - Mininet, Mynt, Foolish
Pan - Mynt

Torch:
Mel - Boron
Moros - Foolish, jdeeyu, cristiWT
Eos - Eos' #1 Fan, Mininet

Axe:
Mel - Mynt, Foolish
Charon - Mynt, Foolish, Zzz, Mininet
Thanatos - Mynt, Foolish

Skull:
Mel: Fuggles, Boron, Foolish, Mynt
Medea - Foolish, Mynt
Persephone - Foolish, Mynt

[past salmon]

nope I got no clue lmao

[plain fossil]

u could make omega special charge slower yea but i think id rather keep the qol and kill the damage

[magic moss]

ok im just gonna erase that cuz i cannot find another charon clear

[silent crow]

i guess

it is supposed to be a heavy weapon tho no

kinda wrong that a move like this is safe for most of the windup

[silent crow]

mel torches only has one huh

[plain fossil]

u could maybe also change axe block but im trying to find solutions that dont wreck melee axes

[silent crow]

i dont know if thats gonna change getting thru the first few rooms w/o magic regen is tough

[magic moss]

does hearth gain work on mel torches?

[plain fossil]

not really

[silent crow]

idts but born gain sounds good

its only 3 mana per shot

[plain fossil]

the omegas dont restore mana, if that's what you're asking

[magic moss]

idk you can start wheel and reset for good boons or just born gain

[silent crow]

i forgot abt wheel

dude i need to fckin level up wheel 😭

[plain fossil]

there arent too many weapon boons that are actually bad on mel torches so that sounds sensible

i dont like aph because it makes u play like a maniac but the others are all pretty much fine

[magic moss]

alr just skulls left for a 50F clear on every weapon

[silent crow]

at least aph can give like rapture ring

rapture ring grouping enemies has beem very helpful for me

[magic moss]

i personally dont like rapture ring

i only like it with a ranged cast

[plain fossil]

its probably not bad on mel torches i find it a little difficult to aim

but i also think mel torches really wants a source of freeze

[magic moss]

oh baby my runs been uploaded

[silent crow]

thats tru

[magic moss]

get ready to watch some horrendous erebus and oceanus

[silent crow]

mel torches are also just kinda really fun

it feels sm better to spam out actual omega attacks instead of the weird daybreaker

[plain fossil]

i prefer daybreaker personally

mel torches have better hammers tho

[silent crow]

oh ya clean candle sounds really op

thats just 50% atk speed right

i forgot how torch omega atk channel speed works

[plain fossil]

also 33% less mana used

[silent crow]

ya

leaden spark affects all atks right

[plain fossil]

attack = only normals attacks = everything

[silent crow]

wut

[magic moss]

https://youtu.be/wwQ25SoQetc

@bleak night thanks for the guide

[silent crow]

holy besr thumbnail ever

[magic moss]

ty ty i put a lot of effort and time into it

now time for me to grind my worst weapon the skull

i like the skull, its just i take an ungodly amount of damage playing it and always die in like oceanus

i completely fluked a 40F Mel skulls clear first try after playing medea for like dozens of attempts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257558614802173992/image.png?ex=6684d83a&is=668386ba&hm=3c43e1296a8ae57b7277c01dcc624bfde9df6ded6df0625754991e16a3942ed5& this is still so funny to me that i only have like 4 clears on every weapon but one of them is a 50F

[silent crow]

what the hell

have you ever had fun with this game

[magic moss]

every run before these were on god mode <32F

these are actually only my runs on no god mode

cuz the game tracks god mode vs no god mode stats differently

[plain fossil]

i have like a zillion flames and momus clears and barely anything on the other weapons

because i learned the game on patch 1 momus and i had a lot of fun with patch 2-3 momus

[magic moss]

lmfao

[silent crow]

i havent checked my stats ever

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1257559613125951539/image.png?ex=6684d928&is=668387a8&hm=4b485c013d341fcd0e199f7c2d93596a1d15f6a563fa5cfdff4b5e228c29c1b1& this is even funnier

[silent crow]

aspect of artemis is so good

[magic moss]

can i submit my runs to the leaderboard or smthing?

[past salmon]

Yeah if you have recordings

Go to the main page and there should be a submissions tab

[magic moss]

i completely forgot fountains give healing

[magic moss]

im assuming src means source? like a video

[past salmon]

Yeah

[bleak night]

@past salmon @tall notch I'm getting it now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246053364647596104/1257563830188245083/image.png?ex=6684dd15&is=66838b95&hm=b6293e3b9dc9bbd494dcab443f9d93df114a35c31af0f59f9738fa105f94c695&

I still need work on my Chronos fight

It's funny since half of his damage was my 170 armour that he destroyed in one hit

[bleak night]

sure, gg

[magic moss]

ty ty

[bleak night]

that's 4 different people doing a 50F Charon lol

[tired fulcrum]

I swear yall insane

[magic moss]

i left god mode and threw myself into hell

[past salmon]

"I'm gonna take a break"

[magic moss]

clears 50F flames after saying they were bad at it

[bleak night]

This was my first try, I didn't expect to just win it

[magic moss]

what an absolute gamer

[bleak night]

I got carried by invul total eclipse

I was able to spam 4 sec invul even with Clean Candle

[past salmon]

Anyways I'm sure you will be taking a break soon

[amber osprey]

Can you get any other curse combo with Chaos' Legendary Boon aside from Rejected Defiance?

[bleak night]

yep, one more then I take a break https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257577942238887967/image.png?ex=6684ea3a&is=668398ba&hm=7e7f4968517457d0d290f307453c623aa2b0ee35ff66a927dbe55fa80c263aab& @tall notch @magic moss @amber osprey

[amber osprey]

that is MINTY

[magic moss]

im assuming moros for the full complete?

[plain fossil]

Im a big flamestrike eos fan

[bleak night]

Yep, Moros last one

[plain fossil]

Also static shock i see

[silent crow]

i died to queen lamia because oceanus gave me only minor finds

[bleak night]

This build struggled with Chronos, I had no damage

[plain fossil]

Thats eos for u

[silent crow]

i hate having to show a death for recording

[plain fossil]

At least ER scorch let u clear so fast that it didnt matter

[bleak night]

Alright, Moros time

[past salmon]

Gl

[bleak night]

Nem replaced Echo and I only have one boon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257587467817717780/image.png?ex=6684f319&is=6683a199&hm=31e7cf2824040c1a8abb909e9ce10a05b0cec8b113aba6de2b6dc0fcb440ab7f&

[past salmon]

[silent crow]

winnable

[bleak night]

yeah I lost, that run was cursed. Silver Wheel start def feels better tho

[silent crow]

of all the aspects for this to happen on

[carmine mural]

Is using Embryo for the last biome optimal or would you rather have something else?

[past salmon]

?? Embryo would be more optimal for the first biome than the last lol

you dont lose the chaos blessing when you take the keepsake off

[carmine mural]

I'm thinking since you want to probably use godsakes for the first couple of biomes and then top it off with a chaos blessing at the end

[past salmon]

not to mention a keepsake that gives you a random effect is never gonna be the optimal one

[carmine mural]

Fair enough

[tired fulcrum]

Like 80% of the time its gunna do like nothing for you

[silent crow]

usually the pin is the best for tartarus

[waxen garden]

can you get multiple tier 2 cast boons?

[silent crow]

i like taking chaos keepskae in oceanus bc thats usually when i need to highroll sometjing good to save the run

[silent crow]

it depends

[waxen garden]

e.g. prominence flare + geyser spout?

[silent crow]

thats the only combo that doesnt work

along with u cant have multiple throw cast boons like glowing coal + llance

everything else is fair game

[waxen garden]

what other tier 2 cast boons are there besides demeter's?

I think a prominence flare + geyser spout charon build would be ridiculous

[silent crow]

super nova

[waxen garden]

oh true

[silent crow]

charon is better without those boons

[waxen garden]

I don't see how?

[amber osprey]

how.... you're in Mourning fields with one boon?

[waxen garden]

surely you want either for damage

[silent crow]

geyser spout reduces the damage charon does and prominence flare makes it so u cant spam casts

[waxen garden]

how does geyser spout reduce damage? that seems counterintuitive

[silent crow]

it replaces ur base omega cast dmg

and is super jank so it also removes some damage buffs

[waxen garden]

oh huh, I didn't know that

so what's the best omega cast for charon?

[silent crow]

any cast not zeus is fine i think

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus can get a few ticks in before you blow it up at least

[bleak night]

Yeah this might take a while

This weapon aspect is perhaps the one I'm the least suited to using

[past salmon]

bro it should be illegal for hippos to spawn before room 6
or in the game at all
please delete

oh boy time to do an attempt!
Hippos and Shellbacks in the first room you say??
Ok Ima go to the next attempt

[amber osprey]

Harpies should be illegal in room one of Ephyra. I have gotten 4 harpies in the first room and just let the shadows take me

[vagrant peak]

dang i thought that in region 1 it can only spawn region 2 monsters

[past salmon]

Harpies are in fact a region 2 monster lol

[vagrant peak]

dang the surface

man hestias cast for encounter spawn dmg is just so op makes the 5 minute per zone doable

[past salmon]

ok trackpad gaming on 55F is not it
I Just died in erebus a whole bunch
I got 1 Oceanus entry lmfao

[plain fossil]

Lmao

If it makes u feel better thats been my 50f attempts this past hour and im not even on trackpad lul

What aspect u trying, moros?

[past salmon]

yeah lol

[tender anvil]

You guys got too good! I mean I'm struggling at 50 with the controller still

I feel like the learning curve stopped working for me, guess I've hit my ceiling

[carmine mural]

Nah I think you've just hit a wall. I believe anyone can get to the highest difficulty with enough time. Now whether or not it feels worth to spend that time... Depends on person to person lol

[tender anvil]

I've got like 4 50's already, I mean every new one is still a huge struggle in the dozens of attempts, it's not getting any easier

which it theoretically should have, with practice

[vagrant peak]

you mean fear 50

[tender anvil]

yeah

[vagrant peak]

how and how and what cards and what fear choices and weps and artifacts?

[bleak night]

gg @past salmon @tender anvilhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257604100095213569/image.png?ex=66850296&is=6683b116&hm=02b6547354f51c83b96b4fddb0ded1f43908b7303fa79dec6182905df15502cd&

[past salmon]

u get it mynt?

[bleak night]

I got carried by Phase Shift

[past salmon]

nice
gj

[tender anvil]

all vows except no Arcana, any and all weapons now (see Mynt there), main keepsake is Engraved Pin

Mynt, you way too good!

[vagrant peak]

do you do streaming?

[tender anvil]

Mynt has all his runs on youtube

[past salmon]

I really want to do all aspects 50F now but like I'm on vacay
I'd probs have it done around the same time

[tender anvil]

He's 15/15 Aspects at 50 now

[vagrant peak]

what is the most forgiving aspect / wep for starting that high of a fear run?

underground or surface?

[past salmon]

Charon is the easiest 50F atm

[carmine mural]

Charon feels so braindead lol

[tender anvil]

I've honestly had a way easier time with Meli Skulls. Charon was a mess in Erebus, but goes easy in further biomes

[vagrant peak]

aspect of melinoe lol?

isnt medea better ?

[tender anvil]

Medea does more damage, yes, but Meli is much safer

while still doing ok on timer

[vagrant peak]

with what build?

[tender anvil]

Hammers are key - you 100% want Bolstered Array, and then either Posessed or Fetching

[vagrant peak]

always better to only pick up one and keep firing or 2?

[tender anvil]

boons pretty much any % attack boon works. Heph is always good for defense

[tender anvil]

I play rapid firing them

[vagrant peak]

aphro worst for this aspect right as atk

[tender anvil]

it just needs a slightly more offensive playstyle, not necessarily the worst

[vagrant peak]

what is considered close range?

[bleak night]

Mel Torches 1st try (first session death at 315), Eos Torches 2nd try, Moros Torches 6th try https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257606067987419187/image.png?ex=6685046b&is=6683b2eb&hm=c0e649de1e2d84426002062c49f637f6a5ce0027e43473991b42f8089a985588&

Not bad, honestly

[amber osprey]

I wish I could tell you, when it comes to Aphro boons. Some people in Feedback have been asking for a clearer way to delineate what counts

[vagrant peak]

maybe the clearest example is the boon that gives magic based how close you are

is the range of dmg for close dmg

also with blocking on axe it doesnt work on some abilities on 1st boss fire wave?

[amber osprey]

that counts more as floor damage iirc

[bleak night]

Alright, I'm completely done with 50F now, time for an actual break

[vagrant peak]

go for 55

[bleak night]

I'll take a break before I do anything 51+ again

The difficulty on that is probably 5x harder than 50

[vagrant peak]

hmm based on that reaction you almost deleted ur computer from reality?

[bleak night]

I lost at 55F and kind of just died inside

I'll probs make a reddit post for what's broken

[amber osprey]

mynt deserves the break. he's done enough for the community for one month lol

[amber osprey]

/pat pat

[bleak night]

Yeah, I'll go play some fun runs later

[vagrant peak]

hades 1 speed running i tried fresh run 1st ever try , got the duo boon 2nd region athena and hades died on 3rd boss. Sad and rage

skill issue kek

[robust prism]

what is currently the best magic regen for high fear moros aspect?

[vagrant peak]

hestia per hit regen?

[robust prism]

kinda what I was thinking

aphro also seems good

[vagrant peak]

or hera prime boon?

those are the 2 i would choose

[robust prism]

with arrogance and everything born gain might not quite cut it anymore

[bleak night]

I did Hestia

I had a run where it was my only boon and I made it to Echo (Nem was there instead)

[robust prism]

lmao F

[vagrant peak]

ngl nem ruins alot of runs for me, give me a well item that prevents her from showing up please...

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1257177817905627236/Thank_you_Nemesis.mp4?ex=6684c715&is=66837595&hm=666948eed7cf85ec9de7a89442fa45ef7a848abd13ec3c7612253fa9adb1db04&