h2-builds-and-combat

[surreal hazel]

a nice idiot-proof curse

even I can use it

[tall notch]

AAA I THREW SO HARD
FORGOT TO SWAP KEEPSAKE

[timber pawn]

Oh no

[past salmon]

can someone check smth for me

Mint condition seems to be staying active infinitely in fields encounters

[limpid coral]

shhhhh

[tired fulcrum]

With 2x the wait time of impending doom

[surreal hazel]

Still helpful if you're spreading blitz around

Dancing knives etc...

[past salmon]

#h2-victory-boasting message
Yeah Charon feels a little overtuned
I didnt even get a special boon until like fields or smth

also phase shift is just broken

[faint plank]

solar ring my beloved RIP

[past salmon]

it still exists

now you can combo it with other cast boons 😄

[faint plank]

what's it called?

ooh prominence flare

hap

[plain fossil]

So is everything overtuned now or what

I got work i cant play for 10 hours

[cursive oyster]

its overtuned in the best possible way

[plain fossil]

Whats the best possible way for things to be overtuned

[past salmon]

not really lol
I just think Charon is

[plain fossil]

ic

[silent crow]

theres a duo that gives you 4 infusions

[past salmon]

idk how it is for low fear but its kinda just not great for high fear

[silent crow]

its a free win on low fear i think

[tall notch]

Yeah it sometimes does that, and sometimes it doesn't activate at all

Idk what it depends on but mynt condition is weird in fields rn

[past salmon]

yeh weird

[cloud scarab]

re-rolls can cause Duos to appear, right?

[tender anvil]

Are you guys running origination this patch?

[past salmon]

sometimes

[tall notch]

Only if getting it will be easy for the build I am running

[cloud scarab]

9 re-rolls and I don't get the dual 😦

[summer seal]

Anyone been playing Pan with the new updates? Anything notable worth trying out?

[muted quail]

i was just right now considering that and checking this discord for that lol

am i blind or are the arcana card cost changes not in the patch notes?

[shy stratus]

If I wanna do an Aphro lego build, absolutely

I read that in patch notes, said “well that sounds stupid. count me in” and immediately discovered that it is indeed Stupid ™

New glamour gain makes it ridiculously easy to spread every curse ever

[spare kite]

Wait what does the new legendary do

[shy stratus]

Any weak-afflicted foes get additional random curses applied to them

[plain fossil]

Weak also applies random additional curses

[spare kite]

That sounds fun

[shy stratus]

So you can just suddenly inflict vent, hitch, freeze, etc from running around a room

[surreal hazel]

Make sure all primary boom slots are filled, they have a higher priority than duos

[plain fossil]

In b4 one of the potential curses is 1 stack of scorch

[cloud scarab]

Golden Rule with 5k gold + Charon Axe with Hephestus is nasty xD

[shy stratus]

There is a scorch application in there but I didnt keep track of how much

[plain fossil]

Did they fix the golden rule bug

[cloud scarab]

absolutely blew up Chronos

[plain fossil]

Its not in the notes

[cloud scarab]

what was the bug?

[plain fossil]

Golden rule applies flat damage per 100 gold not % damage as the boon description suggests

[timber pawn]

that changed this patch afaik

it is properly % based now

[cloud scarab]

whatever it was, it was still very strong

[plain fossil]

Aight its not in the notes i ctrl fed for golden rule

[timber pawn]

ya the notes aren't completely comprehensive

[plain fossil]

Lot weaker now but im sure still strong

[muted quail]

https://imgur.com/a/77qoGZo think i'll go with this for now

[cloud scarab]

I mean I didnt get it until final Charon stall before Chronos, so I am sure you can end up with more like 10-12k gold if you really push it

even with percentage we are talking about +500% dmg

[muted quail]

think crystal figurine just got more useful as well

[cloud scarab]

you can buy Nightmare now with Charon tickets, good!

[magic moss]

imagine only using 30 grasp smh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1255649324650467509/image.png?ex=667de60f&is=667c948f&hm=66d976087e7af106a741ccdee495854d8320c5177af0a66849e35c4852b96433& like idk what yall doing

[spare kite]

@candid gulch antler has always been 30 tho?

[surreal hazel]

Huh. You can activate divinity now with the rightmost column

And still pick one more arcana

[candid gulch]

it caps your hp at 30 + only one region

[spare kite]

Yeah but to use it you still need it to be at 30 hp before

You get your hp back after is consumed pretty sure too

[muted quail]

i was tempted staying on 32, but i didnt agree with some of the cards that were swapped in

[candid gulch]

yeah but now its just not versatile you literally get a hard cap of 30 hp, can't heal above that when you could before, even if u gave up the effect

if u lose a dd u are at 12hp when before u could at least get a bit safer if u got hit once by a tough enemy

[austere holly]

alright, I haven't gone through all patch notes yet, but tartarus feels so much smoother now, I don't hate it anymore

and some foes which used to trigger me hard feel much more fair

without those unfair mechanics run felt sooo good

[hollow stag]

It gives you +30% crit chance instead of +40%

[fervent narwhal]

@muted quail https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1255638572359487518/image.png?ex=667ddc0c&is=667c8a8c&hm=7767f42d65de01932f5916aaf9d37d5ac741df9591b9dacc94bd4d3db91336b3& this is mine, gave up rerolls for more damage and power

Could use no rerolls for the lovers instead but didnt feel right

[shadow marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/vND3jxN.jpeg
hmm this is fine

Give up the cast I want or the special I want

[charred seal]

Supergiant trying to balance Hera:
Nerf born gain to the ground ❌
Give everyone else born gain ❌
Both ✅✅✅✅✅

[tall notch]

Born Gain is still good if you click mana pots every now and then

[plain fossil]

Wellll boons are a lot worse when they cost 3 boons instead of 1

[charred seal]

Definitely, but Apollo on Charon axe is ridiculous.

[plain fossil]

Or major finds at least

[charred seal]

I just did one run because it is 2 am lmao

I'll play around with the other energy boons more later

[shadow marsh]

Scorch is doing air fryer levels of dps. the major hurdle with it now is applying enough to keep it going

Also freezer burn is sick

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1255657874651222037/20240627085553_1.jpg?ex=667dee06&is=667c9c86&hm=cad0cb1e683063dd9a97cde4320001d0b17e35e32e1070c621cfacf453101985&
I've got no DDs, no health and a Dream
Also this is like my second attempt this weapon is busted
Too bad I got scammed by echo

[charred seal]

Kakyoin pfp

[tired fulcrum]

wait its too easy to activate divinity now

[charred seal]

I think air fryer got some massive buffs too, I'd love to try that again. What's the best weapons for it?

[shadow marsh]

anything that can apply tons of scorch so double moonshot staff or torches

[tired fulcrum]

Its worse now though since scorch is better

[civic ocean]

Sorta

[civic ocean]

Actually can you test if it still ticks the same way

[shadow marsh]

the hurdle with air fryer now is just applying enough scorch because damn that stuff just evaporates now

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia dem duo is prob the better angle for scorch except for the fact that it doesnt work on chronos for some reason

[charred seal]

Oh, before I forget. The Hestia Hera duo boon, oh my god???? That's 4 boons in one???? Insane generic value if it ever gets offered

[shadow marsh]

probably some spaghetti about how he can't be frozen so freezer burn never procs

[civic ocean]

The angle is AQ + Scorch + Hestia Aph duo

[shadow marsh]

that's an f10 for sure

I mean air quality cyclones are still good too

[civic ocean]

AQ is now good for Storm Ring iirc

[tired fulcrum]

Storm ring base tick at common is 20

[shadow marsh]

common storm ring is 20 damage per tick so it's not a huge boost

also if you're taking storm ring you want levels in it

[uneven palm]

Eh? I see Hestia + Dem going here #h2-builds-and-combat message

[tired fulcrum]

Like furies or origination and poms just mean air quality does nothing

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1255658896299790408/20240627085948_1.jpg?ex=667deef9&is=667c9d79&hm=fb5b3694650ddb04dbc66c9580b24ef7b83e0edf8cc8c396a4fa7f2df3fa0bf3&
Ok lmao guess I'm just better

[tired fulcrum]

Huh, it did nothing for me

[plain fossil]

New charon p good hey

[civic ocean]

That was the same for passion dash and you still found aq value there sometimes

[charred seal]

titan diff

[shadow marsh]

now air quality with the apollo omega cast boon? that might be a spicer

[civic ocean]

Also now you have another reason to go big into Air

For Wispy Wiles evasion scaling

[tired fulcrum]

With hestias new scorch t2 and origination i think youre doing similar damage

[charred seal]

Ah yes, the classic air fryer using the concentrated power of the sun

[civic ocean]

What is the scorch t2

[spare kite]

Old legendary?

[tired fulcrum]

Makes scorch do damage faster +50% scorch rate at common

[civic ocean]

How is that more damage it's the same damage just faster

[plain fossil]

Did scorch tickrate change btw or is it damage per tick

[tired fulcrum]

Idk lemme check

Seems to be damage per tick

[plain fossil]

If its all tickrate changes the air quality stuff might still be alright

Aight well forget it then 😦

[civic ocean]

It's double the damage per tick

[tired fulcrum]

Actually wait maybe im not applying enough scorch stacks

[charred seal]

For Apollo air fryer I'm guessing I'd go Momus?

[plain fossil]

Do u get triple ion cannon now

Last patch u didnt

[charred seal]

No idea, guess I'll have to try it out

Omg a firefly just flew into my room lmao

[dark whale]

what are y'all's thoughts on aspect of circe

[charred seal]

I can't wait to play with it honestly

[tired fulcrum]

@civic ocean with rare pyro technique and origination i get like ~220 dps. While air quality is ~190 dps

Pom the rare pyro technique once and its 250 ish dps

[charred seal]

I might try Hestia on attack, see if that lets me have serenity up quickly enough

Damage will not be buffed as much, but serenity will help a bunch, and it's also a curse

[dark whale]

On staff I pretty much always go Apollo attack tbh

[charred seal]

I usually go with high dmg bonuses, and find a way to spam O attacks

[tired fulcrum]

Also wdym, you can still get aphro duo so its straight up more damage

[tired fulcrum]

https://imgur.com/a/JN0eB0G like see it isnt working here

[bleak night]

alr about to do 51F Axe runs

[past salmon]

wot r u taking off
Rebuke revs or sum shi?

[bleak night]

I'll test some stuff out

[past salmon]

honestly just go 53F
It feels omega doable on Axe

[tired fulcrum]

I mean you lose night and furies

[civic ocean]

that's more dps but it's lower net damage unless you specifically have the duo or can apply at the same rate

[tired fulcrum]

and artificer

[hollow stag]

Has Axe Omega Special Channel Speed been fixed with Chaos and Arachne’s gifts?

[civic ocean]

You can also now free up 5 grasp by not having to run Origination which is pretty substantial

[tired fulcrum]

or you can free up having to get air quality by getting the duo

[uneven palm]

Huh yeah bummer. I also had the Heph + Dem duo not sure if that factored in. Also nice instakill dodge

[civic ocean]

but now you want to spam air if you're going for that duo

since wispy wiles scales

[tired fulcrum]

I mean theres plenty of great duos like honestly dem/hestia duo is better

[civic ocean]

aight bet

[tired fulcrum]

Then you can go water coarse grit

And can add poseidon ig for steam

And his water infusion though steam still doesnt count as a curse right

[charred seal]

Anyone played with Zeus magick yet?

[past salmon]

yeh its....
Ight
ig

Will never be my first pick but if I need a gain it works

[charred seal]

Does it like spawn a thing near you?

Do you have to interact with it or is it like Poseidon's?

[glossy rivet]

are there big unlisted changes again this patch?

[past salmon]

https://youtu.be/cLNeyWviwWc

[forest hinge]

is it possible Hearth Gain can be used on like Eos now?

[timber pawn]

Really just went and knocked it out lol

[past salmon]

busted ahh weapon took me 2 attempts lmao

[bleak night]

I've now done 6 runs without no mana regen

[past salmon]

RNG better imo imo
R u trying 51 Charon???

[cinder palm]

God new lucid gain + local climate is just born gain 2.0 lol

[spare kite]

new lucid gain is fun

[ionic moon]

ionic gain is born gain 2.0

[past salmon]

its way worse lol

[queen charm]

Lucid is 50 on common? Nuts

[spare kite]

the new insta kill doesn't feel harder to dodge ngl

[silent crow]

how does new lucif work again

[past salmon]

when ur cast expires while ur standing in it
Gain +x magick

[spare kite]

also charon is truly the weapon of all time

[silent crow]

hmm

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1255670588547006544/image.png?ex=667df9dd&is=667ca85d&hm=196ed01be611aebff02d9f7ce524e4fada4d9a5c8af071913053a5d86cffaa1b& bloodline is a fun boon

also 65 mp specials lmfao

[bleak night]

I'm losing my goddamn mind

do 52F Charons and never get Lucid Gain when I find Apollo
do 52F Mel and on first try, find Lucid Gain but not Nova Strike

[past salmon]

Try Than I think honestly

[bleak night]

I hate this ngl

[past salmon]

its very consistent get out of Erebus in my experience

[silent crow]

so the only rate gain boons now are dem and hestia

wait no dem and umm

APHRO

[wild pine]

Yes.

(Technically I have no idea. I haven't checked anywhere and haven't launched the game. I'm just going off general familiarity with how the world works)

[spare kite]

what's the most expensive an omega can get actually

[silent crow]

the most expensive default onega is axe omega special yes

[spare kite]

is like omega special axe + apollo's legend/hestia's +10/hera's blood line and giga cleaver?

[silent crow]

30+30+10+15+15 which is 100 nice

[spare kite]

the legendary is +20

[silent crow]

oh wtf

ok 90 then ew digusting bad

i think torch omega atk with weed killer and blood line expends the most magic over time tho

[bleak night]

did Than and Apollo gave me Lucid Gain and no Nova Strke again lol

[past salmon]

LMAO

[tender anvil]

Lol, I’m stupid. I was ignoring huntress and wasting like two mins to get a gain

[past salmon]

I dont have huntress on do I

[tender anvil]

Not huntress, whatever the mana regen one is

[past salmon]

actually I dont think I even changed my arcana setup before trying 50F 💀

I dont actually think Unseen is optimal on Charon btw lol

[static thicket]

i barely get any duo boons, why is that?

[tender anvil]

Second and third room take a long time otherwise

[karmic gust]

ok i currently cant play the game, but the regrading the new freezer burn - is it basically just a fire extinguisher that you proc anytime you inflict freeze??? so if you stack like 5000 scorch and freeze, you deal 10k dmg immediately?

[bleak night]

Go back to Charon and get this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255674185221406830/image.png?ex=667dfd37&is=667cabb7&hm=cc862fb3dcf68715795d27723066b1e9216ae9d7175df493629c9d0cc4c2452f&

[plain fossil]

See i thought everything got gigabuffed

Sgg with the stealth rng nerfs

[spare kite]

how much was the first pom on zeus special before

[civic ocean]

yeah just jumped into 32 after a week off didnt even get the new incantations, just went straight for air fryer it is immensely powerful now lol

uploading the chronos fight real quick

[charred seal]

First run of the patch got lucid gain on Charon no problemo

[civic ocean]

thats tough you gotta be inside the cast

[past salmon]

nah just play agro
its based

[charred seal]

It's not that difficult, cast is pretty huge

[civic ocean]

oh ic ic

[plain fossil]

lucid gain charon looks pretty good now

[civic ocean]

im down ye

[bleak night]

Yeah no Swift Runner is kinda terrible idk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255676153885360128/no_swift_runner.mp4?ex=667dff0c&is=667cad8c&hm=c0d11b1bf42905e6c390a89c48f3da6b696fce5fca9076f8259ea3aa750675ee&

[charred seal]

I stupidly picked vow of panic AND made my special cost like 70 magick

[civic ocean]

did they change it

[past salmon]

lol

[bleak night]

nothing like expecting iframes and then dying

[civic ocean]

I was playing no swift runner on the skull just now and I felt slower

also Cerberus kinda monkaS?

[limpid coral]

wait how does this even make sense you literally entered the blur animation that indicates you are dashing

like not the windup but the trail lines

oh wait it was a dash attack and u weren't used to the timing

[brittle osprey]

BRING BACK MY OLD APOLLO CAST :CCCCC

[cursive oyster]

prominence something

[brittle osprey]

Prominence Flare now but its different

they changed how it works

[civic ocean]

how is it different

[cursive oyster]

scales worse with rarity

[civic ocean]

I kinda want it for Air Fryer lol

[brittle osprey]

it also does one burst of damage before the cast expires and inflicts haze

[tender anvil]

And it seems to need 5 room skips in Erebus, makes sense.

[civic ocean]

wait how does glorious D work now

do you get the bolts before and after now?

[limpid coral]

the patch notes make it sound like the same but a bit weaker?

[civic ocean]

https://youtu.be/Du4HhjJv3V8 here's the 32 chronos air fryer kill on the new patch, the easiest one of my life tbh this build is insane (but other stuff might be even more insane)

[cursive oyster]

i think it does triple damage not double (could be hallucinating) but yes

[shadow marsh]

How can I watch it it doesn't even have a title like "They BROKE Air Fryer!? This build is INSANE!!!!!" 🔥 🔥 🔥

[civic ocean]

not yet, strim back maybe tmrw

[magic moss]

has a 50F staff run been completed since momus changes?

[civic ocean]

there was a 50 circe right

but it was just whacka smacka attacka staff

[cursive oyster]

I think you mean
🌪️ 🌪️ 🌪️ 🌪️ 🌪️

[magic moss]

was there? i dont remember

[cursive oyster]

i could not find a better air emoji apologies

[civic ocean]

that run actually did take cyclone too, it was pretty good. Narc gave me Demeter randomly so I rolled with it

[cursive oyster]

i was making a bad joke sorry

[shadow marsh]

cyclones were always good with air fryer

[magic moss]

manaless staff actually got hyperbuffed now that im actually reading through patch notes

[shadow marsh]

they tick at about the same rate as old scorch did

idk about new scorch

[magic moss]

poseidon zeus aphro demeter on staff kinda goes giga hard now

[hollow stag]

Which goes where?

[silent crow]

wait really

[magic moss]

well maybe not aphro considering everything on aphro requires their attack hm

[past salmon]

Dem cast, pos attack, zeus static aphro
uhhhhh

[limpid coral]

cyclones are 4 ticks per second right

[silent crow]

damn air fryer sucks lmao

[magic moss]

yeah prob not aphro

[bleak night]

Yeah I've done 17 Charon runs with no Gain and 7 non-Charon Axe runs with no Nova Strike

[past salmon]

[magic moss]

actually no aphro is fine for more air and weak for debuffs on like dash or smthing

[shadow marsh]

yeah 4 ticks per second

[magic moss]

manaless staff

[shadow marsh]

so 120 dps with air fryer, per cyclone. dash and cast cyclones are calculated seperately unlike scorch which can't stack with itself

[magic moss]

poseidon atk pom buff, static shock, most of demeter's important boons (eg. cast) is water, coarse grit changed to water infusion and water fitness from poseidon changed to scaling with water, zeus and aphro has giga air stackign and aphro also has water boons

poseidon start hope for zeus/demeter then keepsake the other oceanus

[past salmon]

aphro is probs just worse than Heph tho like

[bleak night]

18 Charon runs with no Gain

[past salmon]

bro 😭

[magic moss]

like mint condition and trusty shield, i cant see anythign else from heph thats important

[past salmon]

yeh well it just so happens that mint condition and trusty shield are 2 of the top 5 boons in the game so

[magic moss]

tru

[civic ocean]

damn 3% per air huh

[magic moss]

yeah i think aphro/heph are replaceable just that aphro has air and water which is good for zeus/poseidon and now demeter's coarse grit

ok i actually want to try grinding this out

[civic ocean]

seems like you can really stack up that evasion with aph hermes now

[magic moss]

wait wispy also scales as well holy my cook is just getting better

[past salmon]

is Wheel Charon possibly an angle @bleak night

[tired fulcrum]

Isnt wheel better ngl, like keepsake doesnt even affect artificer

Also panic is only half now

[civic ocean]

damn origination expensive

[past salmon]

this is 51F+ so no arti

[bleak night]

That range seems fair to me dude https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255681596590129172/STUPID_SHADOW_MUTT.mp4?ex=667e041e&is=667cb29e&hm=9b11967a1ba5241eac8c8f40683e80bcb87542b4dc1e8e488e262379d7e52e80&

[past salmon]

skill issue
Should of blocked it

[bleak night]

ngl I'm not in the mood for jokes

[civic ocean]

Is that new

like the lingering hitbox at the end and the fakeout at the start

[magic moss]

wait the wave strike pom upgrade is the same

20->25 on rare did they actually buff this lmfao

[shadow marsh]

wave strike wasn't op momus was

well, double moonshot was

[tired fulcrum]

Well thats flourish

[shadow marsh]

same vibe

[magic moss]

oh no they did buff it its now 25->30 instead of 25->28

[tired fulcrum]

I mean... flourish poms literally double

[magic moss]

your point being

[past salmon]

I hate hippos so much
That was gonna be a Charon Oceanus with Nova Flourish Lucid Gain Dem Cast and I choked on last chamber to hippo swarm I am so bad lmao @bleak night

[tired fulcrum]

Petition to delete hippos from the game

[shadow marsh]

my point being in a world where the scorch is doing basically the same damage as the waves it's okay for them to change waves to be competitive. more damage in exchange for less combo potential.

[magic moss]

ok but this was so out of no where

like what brought this up?

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1255683866040205332/image.png?ex=667e063b&is=667cb4bb&hm=209bf503a6c81af8b5fb17564b94e2e61b4fae460959582b02fadef928b5b43a& I swear I hate erebus so much

Ig this is pin angle

[shadow marsh]

I thought you were complaining that wave strike was good, hence the "did they actually buff this" but it's the internet and you were probably saying the buff wasn't enough. I couldn't tell because it's through text

[queen charm]

worst thing about hippos is that they are cowards

[past salmon]

honestly yeh just chuck on pin

[tired fulcrum]

......

I hate bawlders

Why tf do they do instant contact damage

[magic moss]

oh no im currently running manaless staff with pos atk and on the patch notes for this patch they buffed wave strike so poms give more stuff but going from lvl 1 to 2 they changed nothing so i got confused on whether or not it was actually buffed

[plain fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751691459580919834/1255505351533662238/image.png?ex=667d5ff9&is=667c0e79&hm=91409a31650c29bfd23ded21d0d12d631bdb6d234890ee6da564a897c2481426& this was last night before the patch, erebus sucks

[tired fulcrum]

I cant even dash through them because theyre so dang big

[bleak night]

I swear to god I am going to lose my goddamn mind https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255684580313399369/wow.mp4?ex=667e06e5&is=667cb565&hm=7dbdbd468d867f14ec46315419be1b81fe80c47f3277285380d1a86e43503c03&

This is getting infuriating

[magic moss]

im sorry but i just laughed out loud i am so sorry XDD

[bleak night]

@past salmon

[past salmon]

yeh
I grinded 53F Medea for a while remember
Its bull

[plain fossil]

Omegalul

Fwiw u can hit other things in the shadow spiller darkness u just cant hit the spiller itself

From outside i mean

[tall notch]

Should've blocked that smh

[plain fossil]

It comes up a lot in fields

[tender anvil]

Does exceptional talent stack with giga cleave hammer now?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1255686741738917918/image.png?ex=667e08e8&is=667cb768&hm=e430e5483a8fd607d860e0406f366e077f2bdb2d53d6558a0967160699230693& fishing carry by giving me like 30 hp

[silent crow]

frosty veneer ...

[crimson canopy]

how do builds with freeze manage on chronos if he cant be frozen? like the demeter/hestia duo

[spare kite]

I def saw freeze being applied in the fight

[limpid coral]

i think bosses can be frozen they just get slowed by it instead of completely frozen

usual action game stuff

[shadow marsh]

Apparently there's a bug that keeps that boon from working, but freeze is still applied, and it does slow his movement. it just doesn't stop his attacks from happening

[spare kite]

sometimes slow/freeze just refuse to apply tho

[shadow marsh]

typically boons that freeze do decent damage on top of that so it's not usually a tough hurdle to clear

[tired fulcrum]

yeah maybe i just dont do this till erebus isnt just constant spam of spindles and hippos and spitters

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1255689839458779256/image.png?ex=667e0bcb&is=667cba4b&hm=9d7da70b409c659c52761c8d0f66d9f2a58e835cdc92deb4dde3395ddfcfa3c8& right

[civic ocean]

wow chronos goes slooooooow if u freeze him

[plain fossil]

He always did

[civic ocean]

nah he's definitely slower

[plain fossil]

Cold storage op etcetcetc time for more unhinged rants from me

[civic ocean]

o maybe

[hollow stag]

Hestia may be very strong with rapid damage sources with Demeter.

Their Duo boon is pretty much fire extinguisher, though damage is amplified by 200%!

Staff Attack Hestia, Demeter Cast OP?

[digital hazel]

whats the best basic for eos wands?

[tall notch]

Hera

[magic moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249502882819215453/1255698241320910889/image.png?ex=667e139e&is=667cc21e&hm=3e48b03e000f6f79ac6a6d31b7029066a88e83246f314947a1010e4e87c9ff1e& yeah manaless staff is giga strong now 40F clear first try proof of concept

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1255698571743727637/image.png?ex=667e13ed&is=667cc26d&hm=f54cb9bde99664f9194ac4dc2c61f6f926f504ce0905f511dcb63312d41ef05e& last second legendary

[civic ocean]

this build is so powerful now that legendaries and duos are easier to get

[magic moss]

yeah i think aphro > heph due to her having both water and air

storm ring buffs are also insanely good

and being able to get aq realistically makes static and cyclone deal so much more damage

[polar frigate]

hey yall do you have any builds for skull ?

[magic moss]

i think this build might be the way to go for mel blades and maybe artemis

[polar frigate]

cause it rarely feels good to me lmao

[civic ocean]

Pos atk
aph special as a throwaway
apollo cast
demeter sprint

Hearty appetite and King Tide are super easy to get from there

easy origination as well, and then dazed+ wiles+fitness+veneer you actually are impossible to kill

[spare kite]

new pos cast is fun

[civic ocean]

the new casts in general are quite good

[magic moss]

i actually prefer zeus > apollo, you lack a lot of damage with pos atk

[civic ocean]

dazed+60 damage is a lot of value

[magic moss]

the new changes to storm ring covers the guardian damage weakness

• you get static shock and lightning lance

[bleak night]

... @tall notch @past salmon @tender anvil https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255700315672674374/image.png?ex=667e158d&is=667cc40d&hm=99afd3e65c835e12aeeb7dd3c8bcb7cf86d66cb031b8f57fc9e4326165e7e7d4&

[plain fossil]

Gl etc

[civic ocean]

beast

[cursive oyster]

good luck

[feral sage]

are there actually any other animal familiars rn

i may be dumb idk

[tall notch]

How

[spare kite]

Frog and car

I'm leaving that typo

[feral sage]

oh that makes a lot of sense

[magic moss]

Manaless Staff Build
Olympians: Poseidon, Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite
Priority: Poseidon > Zeus = Demeter (Unless you have Gale Force in which case Zeus > Demeter) > Aphrodite

Must get boons:
Poseidon Wave Strike (Start Poseidon Keepsake for this)
Poseidon Slippery Slope
Zeus Storm Ring
Demeter Gale Force

Hammers: Any attack hammer

With the changes to Coarse Grit, now called Frosty Veneer, Poseidon + Demeter is a crazy combo for staff because most of the boons you want from Demeter like Frigid Sprint and Gale Force are water boons. Ice Flourish and Cold Storage are water boons as well. In combination with Water Fitness, getting >6 water boons becomes very easy making you incredibly tanky. The changes to the minor rewards also makes Double Up have far more value. You can also fish for the Poseidon legendary, but its not necessary

I prefer taking Storm Ring over Arctic Ring because manaless staff struggles with killing guardians due to its lack of base damage, and the new storm ring not requiring an omega cast makes up for this weakness. Gale Force and Slippery Slope cover the origination weakness regardless.

Zeus also provides Static Shock, which is VERY good on staff builds and the fact that Aphrodite gives both water and air boons means getting Veneer, Fitness, and AQ far easier. If you can get AQ active, then Cyclone also starts dealing a lot of damage.

[limpid coral]

holy pin gaming

[magic moss]

this build is probably the go to build for every blade aspect as well now mana build or not

cuz fluid gain is a great alternative to born gain while also being a water boon

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1255703963752464505/image.png?ex=667e18f2&is=667cc772&hm=512c6c35eac95321ab47f27085c3a2d94ebdf27f2a0407a0f6213e8ac73512ef& gg.

[magic moss]

HOLY GOAT

[civic ocean]

Joycons win again

[limpid coral]

legend

[bleak night]

I have the fight saved if you wanna see how it went

I fumbled a few times out of panic and forgot I had Lucid Gain

[limpid coral]

was it lucid gain as the first boon?

[silent crow]

id this the world rec ord

[cursive oyster]

actual goat

[civic ocean]

As of rn its the highest cleared fear yeah

[silent crow]

only skipped thing was onion right

[limpid coral]

i wonder how many times bones armor saved the run

[plain fossil]

Gz on world first

Im starting to think this was a buff patch guys

[bleak night]

I'm tired

[magic moss]

take a rest you deserve it

[plain fossil]

No rest for the wicked, i have the same number of 55 clears as u do time to fix that

[magic moss]

lmfaoooooo

[tame spindle]

ur crazy

[magic moss]

did you start with god keepsake or pin straight up

[shadow marsh]

this build goes hard if you get the hestia one that adds extra scorch on unscorched enemies

[bleak night]

Sounds about right https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255705099758473278/image.png?ex=667e1a01&is=667cc881&hm=4c253cc66bb99894b663c72025ac95cdf83881dec8f0fa7946a1ebea34c18eb8&

[bleak night]

I started Silver Wheel

[past salmon]

makes sense

[limpid coral]

since it's been forever since i used it does silver wheel regen stop when you channel?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255705287499841566/image.png?ex=667e1a2e&is=667cc8ae&hm=6d9f07c4a0f3f026ab0e30ae6e876a0218a8a5af6babf40dc16f2860814ea1ba&

Wheel -> Apollo -> Selene -> Pin

[limpid coral]

Moon beam picker hooooly

[past salmon]

which hex did u have

[magic moss]

which hex?

[limpid coral]

I can't recognize the icon is that lunar ray

[bleak night]

I had Lunar Ray but I never upgraded it because Selene was in a large room and the other one was Echo

[silent crow]

was lunar ray good

[limpid coral]

dam

[bleak night]

nah it was absolutely worthless

[silent crow]

holy real

[bleak night]

I saw it cost 30 and I thought it'd be good, nope

[past salmon]

honestly im suprised u picked selene with it

[limpid coral]

wait lunar ray costs 30 now??

[past salmon]

like I would take selene keepsake with Eclipse or Shift
But ray??

[bleak night]

Weren't in the options, and the Path on it had the autoturret thing + it's full moon, so I thought it'd be amazing as a wincon to stay away from enemies

[low bear]

Lunar ray needs to just be a passive turret lmao

[limpid coral]

momus hex real

[magic moss]

ok time to start trying to clear manaless 50F staff

[low bear]

Hell yah

[bleak night]

time to do 54 now

2 rebuke too cancer to deal with

[real yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832420396199575575/1255707450766528532/image.png?ex=667e1c32&is=667ccab2&hm=65fcfb1f6fb117d66d59120daf468836f36c652e98fe71cda3e7db49386d0404&

[hollow stag]

So is Hera Tier S now?

Her cast is way more useful now.

[spare kite]

I swear hermes's legendary is waaay more common now lmao

[magic moss]

hera was S tier and imo still is but i think other builds have gotten significantly stronger

[steel sequoia]

hera and dem are the best gods imo

[past salmon]

Hera was already top3/4 and then she got buffed so idek

[low bear]

Hera has always been s tier

[magic moss]

wait so which fears did you go and did u have hammer start?

[hollow stag]

What did Dem get?

[past salmon]

I believe 52F Would of been no rebuke no panic

[magic moss]

damn no arcana thats crazy

[past salmon]

I mean
You have no other option above 50F lmao

[magic moss]

fair enough

[past salmon]

Anyways
Moros 55F most of the way through fields
Kinda RIP but Max fear soon 🙏

[bleak night]

Might as well grind it too lol

[tired fulcrum]

Chronos oneshot aint that bad to dodge still ngl

[bleak night]

Ye Charon not viable for 55, Panic doesn't work with Silver Wheel

[tired fulcrum]

Just get a mana pot 2nd room trust

[past salmon]

yeh you cant get to 30 huh

maybe just get 2 Psyche doors in a row
ggez

would that even do it
It wouldnt would it
lmao

[limpid coral]

isnt it like just +3 per

[tired fulcrum]

What if

[past salmon]

yeh so you would go to 56 Max 28 with Panic still rip lol

[tired fulcrum]

They just removed onion, dum pact option

[past salmon]

I like Onion

[tired fulcrum]

Also what if they removed hippos from the game

Also new storm ring kinda goated

[bleak night]

Vow of Abandon is cancer

[hollow nexus]

Why can I not put an image in?

[past salmon]

Because you can't

[hollow nexus]

I found a broken build - I think it needs to be patched like asap LOL

[tired fulcrum]

Cool, broken build number 57

[somber harbor]

you can't send images as an attachment but you can post a link or post it somewhere else on discord and copy the media link

[hollow nexus]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[spare kite]

wait artic ring opens cold storage now?

[magic moss]

i guess so yeah

[spare kite]

don't mind if I do lmfao

[magic moss]

i mean not to discredit you or anything but it is cleared at 1 fear and just about anything can clear at 1 fear. Does that mean the build isnt broken? No. Its just that at very low fears certain builds that seem broken can have drastic weaknesses that can go unnoticed due to the low fear count that makes it incredibly difficult to make work at high fears. Try playing the build at like 32F or something and see if you find the same success.

[spare kite]

lmao, the mint condition bug in fields applies to hydro might too

[magic moss]

what bug?

[spare kite]

shield doesn't turn off

you really notice it with hydro cuz it lasts like a second

[past salmon]

Mint condition bug funny

Does make me hesitate when picking it in my 51F+ attempts atm tho

[cursive oyster]

oh yeah hydraulic might just makes you invincible in fields

[limpid coral]

is it that it doesn't turn off at all in the small fights, or at all anywhere in the zone even mid boss and boss?

[timber pawn]

Ya a little unfortunate atm

[spare kite]

just normal fights I've noticed

[limpid coral]

wack

[tame spindle]

still crazy

[limpid coral]

I wonder how that happens in code

like having multiple fights per room does that somehow break something with mint

[magic moss]

wait so you're just perma invincible?

[cursive oyster]

during the big field room encounters yes

[limpid coral]

and how does it work with treasure troves

[spare kite]

I'm gonna laugh if it happens with the shield that pops up when you lose a lot of hp quickly too

[steel sequoia]

trying something new here, i cropped the video with the new steam feature and uploaded to tiktok, went smooth https://www.tiktok.com/@inosuk3das/video/7385008136026885382 if anyone wanna check a granny doing chrono with charon

[limpid coral]

oh hmmm I wonder if there's like a flag to turn off mint after x seconds in an encounter and it just doesn't reset after the end of a fight but rather the room. So u start a new fight and then the flag can't be raised again cause it's already raised for the room

But then the first fight in every big room it would still turn off. Idk

Like you don't get the buff between fights, right

[cursive oyster]

it lasts for quite a bit iirc

[limpid coral]

Oh dam

[cursive oyster]

ohhhh I figured out what broke it

[limpid coral]

Coding hard

[cursive oyster]

i think the code kinda confuses mint condition with hydraulic might at times, with both you can hear the selene hex running out sfx in the new patch

[limpid coral]

bruhhh that's some like SNES era sounding bug

[tired fulcrum]

i think it somehow applies to persephone shield or something because i had a long ass invince shield in field without mint

[limpid coral]

get sound from sound table at position mint + hydraulic might = hex

[bleak night]

I really wish I didn't have to run Toula over Frinos in 55

[cursive oyster]

and hydraulic might gives you a tiny invincibility shield at the start of fights for some reason

[limpid coral]

don't you always get that shield?

[spare kite]

lmfao no way

[tired fulcrum]

Oh or maybe hydraulic gave me the shield

[cursive oyster]

no only with hydraulic might

[limpid coral]

i see it all the time in tartarus

[spare kite]

yeah hydro might gives shield on start

[limpid coral]

huh oops

[tired fulcrum]

Also can spindles and big spindles be deleted from the game

[limpid coral]

that's like something that should be there regardless why is it oddly tied to a boon

[cursive oyster]

i think its unintentional because the tiny shield has the mint condition sfx

[spare kite]

hydro has always given the shield at start

[limpid coral]

entering a room and getting bonked before you can process what just faded in is wack

[spare kite]

I assumed it was so you didn't waste the start of it?

[cursive oyster]

yeag but they changed mint to have the sfx and now hydraulic had it too

[limpid coral]

and it's playing a hex sfx?

[cursive oyster]

yeah because people wanted an indicator for when mint ran out

[spare kite]

actually does it happen on thesaly too

[cursive oyster]

yknow the sfx that plays when dark side is running out?

[spare kite]

similar idea of multiple fights on one location

[limpid coral]

oh yeah that? is that also the mint sfx?

[cursive oyster]

yeag

[civic ocean]

YOOOOO

[limpid coral]

ah ok so it wasn't some weird indexing thing

[civic ocean]

THE BATS PAUSE LETS GO GAME OF THE YEAR

[cursive oyster]

idk i sound insane

[cursive oyster]

HOLY

EPHYRA IS PLAYABLE WOOOOO

i feel like each new patch just keeps making the previous ones look tiny

[spare kite]

artic ring opening cold storage is my fav change now

[uneven palm]

That’s honestly huge

[cursive oyster]

my fav change is unironically ixion no longer skipping a fields room

also all the hestia buffs

[steel sequoia]

scorch not being garbage anymore and gains reworks are mmy fav changes

[spare kite]

pin is such a fun keepsake

[tired fulcrum]

can we just have stubborm defiance back

[spare kite]

please

I like pin but not for any reason I like stubborn lmao

[limpid coral]

huh what's the big difference?

[tired fulcrum]

Its so annoying with high heat rooms its practically unavoidable taking damage

Surely theyll remove holehearts mine contact damage right

[limpid coral]

Isnt it like 1 damage base

If i got crit for 8 im pretty happy i didnt get crit for 168

[tired fulcrum]

So its still annoying af and they lay a billion mines that dont disappear when they die

Also tempus orb spam

[spare kite]

not being a keepsake for one, so it made playing around no healing more fun
also it works off max hp which is nicer

[tired fulcrum]

And room with a bajillion spinners and spitters and hippos

[low bear]

Hearth goated with Moros?

[limpid coral]

wait do charge attack explodes count as attack for hearth gain

that would be so funny +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

[tired fulcrum]

Btw how tf am i supposed to see with cyclone storm ring with dem/apollo duo and dem/zeus duo

[rain kelp]

maaaaan did they remove that Apollo boon that causes a constant amount of beams after your omega cast expires?

[tame spindle]

literally i wrote this in feedback after i had that exact build #h2-feedback message

[rain kelp]

that was one of my favorite boons from him

[tame spindle]

it's still there just not the main one lol

[bleak night]

I love it when I'm making rly good time then the game gives me a room with 6 screamers and some hippos

[rain kelp]

oh thank god then

[tame spindle]

its like prominence flare or something now

[timber pawn]

Are you working on something else even though you just did 52?

[tame spindle]

mynt calm down

[bleak night]

55

[limpid coral]

on the hustle

[tired fulcrum]

High fear is just cringe getting hit by stupid stuff

[tame spindle]

mynt go rest

[tired fulcrum]

And infinite timing out in erebus

[tame spindle]

@fringe elm the apollo cast is still there they just changed the name

[bleak night]

Winnable

[fringe elm]

WHAT

Like the cast that did damager per tick

[tired fulcrum]

Also i swear chronos scythe throw at close range makes no sense. Like he'll be facing the opposite direction then when he throws the thing he just instasnaps and puts it directly on your face

[timber pawn]

Did you sleep today?

[limpid coral]

Arent the patch notes for moving solar ring to a new boon and changing the base ring boon like. Right next to each other in the patch notes??

[timber pawn]

It's a lot, reading hard

[oak wave]

^

[limpid coral]

Tru

[tired fulcrum]

Bruh why does skull autoaim keep locking on to a bag the opposite direction of chronos

[hollow stag]

What boons help Torches now?

[low bear]

Depends on what aspect

[uneven palm]

Mel honestly most things are fine on attack/special, except maybe Heph. Moros and Eos strongly prefer percentage boosts on attack.

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1255727063529422869/Hades_II_2024-06-26_20-25-09_-_Trim.mp4?ex=667e2e76&is=667cdcf6&hm=c689390dedbf6080fa0d5130e0c1a162221d0222a46de9690b8ffdda11c5363c& damage stronk, visibility negative

[spare kite]

The hell is going on there

[plain fossil]

What are u doing 55 on, surely charon is impossible without mana

Panic + no arcana + onion does not sound like a starting wombo combo for mana builds

[steady nymph]

Just did a 17min downstairs run with zeus, hestia and demeter on moros torches. got hera too. Could have been faster but i took some extra rooms in tartarus. The buffs to scorch and blitz made for a fun run.

[civic ocean]

dont u have mana now

[steady nymph]

so i'd say my dream of finally doing (a quick) zeus special and hestia cast are finally coming true

[civic ocean]

or is it not enough

[bleak night]

Some switch in my brain flicked lwhen I saw more people do 50F on Axe

[civic ocean]

to do 1 bomb

[tired fulcrum]

you have 25 starting, omega special costs 30

[steady nymph]

That new duo that gives infusions is absolutely insane. what a treat

[mystic spoke]

for the aspect of Moros, is the blast thats created when a special hits the lingering attacks, considered a special or an attack?

[timber pawn]

Lmao

[past salmon]

Guys I've created a monster 😭

[low bear]

is Zeus lego still the same?

[timber pawn]

It got buffed but the dice roll happens when you attack an enemy instead of when they spawn in

[low bear]

so 7% to insta kill an enemy?

still seems kinda trash

[timber pawn]

No it got buffed to like 20%

[digital hazel]

how bad would you guys say vow of arrogance is? im starting to climb in fear so im trying to figure out the easiest pacts to start with

[low bear]

ohh 20 is... interesting

[past salmon]

It's fine
Just click max magick sometimes

[bronze bear]

huh, has 52F been done?

[low bear]

arrogance is workable also if you exploit the pom "bug"

but generally it's fine, especially with many other gains being buffed priming isn't that scary

[past salmon]

Yeh Mynt is cracked

[tired fulcrum]

even for magick heavy builds arrogance is a well worth it take, just dont take rarity increase arcana and grab a couple mana pots

[magic moss]

im rn working on a manaless staff 50F gonna take a while tho since im doing unseeded runs

[bronze bear]

is there a recording to watch?

[low bear]

not taking rarity increase arcana kinda hard with divinity buff lol

[past salmon]

No they weren't recording lmao

[low bear]

why can we not turn off auto cards lol

[timber pawn]

Not again. Why do they do this every time

[sand crow]

Is engagement ring... actually good now???

[low bear]

oh also cold storage appears even with only Arctic Ring now, GOATED

[sand crow]

oh my gosh I love it now lol

[bronze bear]

understandable my recordings take like 1GB/1.5min

[low bear]

yes engagement ring lowkey cracked

[low bear]

same lol

[bleak night]

Love it when I get good room rng but I'm 3 boons into no Attack

[sand crow]

O O F

[tulip barn]

Tidal Ring is not what I expected... HM

[sand crow]

I'm really liking Eos with Hestia on special and Hera on cast

oooh @tulip barn how does it work??

[bronze bear]

feels like they massively increased chaos rates in room 1 lol

[sand crow]

well I guess I can test it myself lol but now I wanna know

[tulip barn]

Uh, it like... shoots a cone in front of you when you drop your regular cast... and that's it

it's kinda odd

[sand crow]

Huh

[past salmon]

Take the day off lol

[sand crow]

ok also Hestia gain is busted on Torches and I'd assume knives

Like... pre-patch born gain good

speaking of, that nerf seemed pretty heavy, is born gain still cracked?

[timber pawn]

It is still good but firmly more balanced than it was

[bronze bear]

is Hestia gain just a better Poseidon gain?

[tired fulcrum]

hestia doesnt work on omegas

[timber pawn]

No because pos works with omegas, ya

[tulip barn]

kinda, you can stockpile poseidon

[sand crow]

Kinda? hestia's more consistent but doesn't work with omegas

[bronze bear]

oh right omegas

[bleak night]

Losing my mind but I'll get it eventually

[sand crow]

that's why you'd want to run hestia on weapons that hit a bunch of people really really fast

actually question for science, does hestia gain stack per enemy hit or is it just one proc per attack executed?

Like for axe

[magic moss]

legit im so reliant on good artificer rng for manaless staff its crazy'

onion

[tulip barn]

I'd imagine it'd be per swing, I've not really seen anything hit multiple enemies stacking except for like pre-patch persephone cast stuff

[sand crow]

oh my gosh mynt they took out the lagless attack after cancelling an attack into a dash attack

[tulip barn]

but I have no idea

[sand crow]

I'm pretty sure that torches count it per enemy hit but I'm not certain

[steady nymph]

born gain is still fine to use tho. the nerf almost doesn't feel noticeable but it could get spicy on longer fights

i'm so happy the other gains got some love tho

[sand crow]

yeah, I made some builds prepatch that legit primed up my entire mana pool lmao

[tulip barn]

Yeah I figured it would, I've had that happen on lower power arcana setups earlier in my file

[steady nymph]

real excited to try zeus gain

[sand crow]

Oh my gosh same, they actually feel viable as opposed to "born gain supremacy"

[tulip barn]

Okay the poseidon cast is growing on me. It's extremely fast

it doesn't work with Momus, but I plan on getting the new omega cast with it

"new"

[steady nymph]

i will say that arcana doesn't feel any different or better. Some of the cards got love but the restrictions are really tight. Feels like it could be more fun? idk maybe i'm thinking about it wrong

[tulip barn]

The biggest changes I think so far with the arcana that I can spot is that it's slightly less stupid to go without origination, but not by much, it's way easier to take Artificer, you're almost always going to have the hex charge in most runs, and it'll be easier to get the Epic rarity boon

That's kinda it tho

[low bear]

Orig feels so heavy now

[tulip barn]

it should. it's extremely impactful

[clever osprey]

is this the channel to ask real quick which hammer upgrade i should get

[tulip barn]

You can ask for opinions, yeh

[low bear]

I wouldn't say "extremely" considering you might be halfway through already before it becomes useful

[tulip barn]

You don't totally need it by then for a lot of runs, but it's usually something that gets a run online

[low bear]

I wonder about that

[steady nymph]

orig feels fine. If you can't proc it by oceanus you're doing it wrong and shouldn't be running it.

[magic moss]

onion moment

[clever osprey]

nvm i cant post a screenshot of the hammer upgrade options rip

[low bear]

I just feel 5 is too heavy

[tulip barn]

As far as I can tell the big thing that origination has going for it is that it's multiplicative with most other boons in the game because it's in a separate part of the damage calculation. This is purely my hunch, but it would make sense

I have no actual clue, lol

[low bear]

no orig isn't multiplicative afaik

[steady nymph]

true onions happen. higher fear is definitely a consideration

[timber pawn]

I'm pretty confident it's additive ya

[hollow stag]

Heph Mint Condition and

Hera Engagement Ring Cast

Are great boons

[tulip barn]

but it's a debuff... so it only adds to what mel already has?

[low bear]

yes

[timber pawn]

Ya, all damage buffs in the game aside from crit are additive

[tulip barn]

Yeah, I just did a hera cast run, it was good

[hollow stag]

Is there a better cast than Hera?

[low bear]

"enemies take more damage" is additive with dmg% like aphro weak thing

[low bear]

lots of good ones, Dem is always strong and Zeus is quite good now too

[tired fulcrum]

Nope, but its a global damage boost which makes it good

[tulip barn]

Right, that makes sense since it's like a debuff on the enemy, so I didn't think it'd just add to something like an attack boon

[steady nymph]

seems like all the casts are good, just depends on what you wanna do. Hera cast got some good buffs tho

[tulip barn]

Yeah, the casts are all for various things. Hera is unique in the sense that it applies globally

[low bear]

hera definitely got the biggest glow up cast wise

[tulip barn]

it's extremely good for getting curses out

[low bear]

Engagement ring before was almost brick tier

[tulip barn]

yeah, it's gone from the absolute worst to one of the better ones

adding the curse alone did a ton for it.

[haughty panther]

unironically feels like it's the current best hitch source just for the room time save alone

[low bear]

but yeah Orig's 5 grasp hurts

[steady nymph]

after losing the omega crit boon origination fit perfectly

[low bear]

esp since it's usually not useful in the hardest part of high fear runs (Erebus)

[tulip barn]

I will say Glamour Gain also got a MASSIVE upgrade

[low bear]

it's still there in different form

[tulip barn]

it's absurd for applying weak

[bleak night]

Man I love armoured worms

[past salmon]

Mynt
Stop

[low bear]

what are worms

[civic ocean]

I strongly suspect something is up

[steady nymph]

i know its still there but its not worth running for most weapons. They gutted the dodge card too

[civic ocean]

with scorch

[tulip barn]

I miss demeter being able to do stuff by herself, but I'm glad that she got a bit of a hit. She was in too many of my runs I think

[low bear]

yeah replacing messenger with night did hurt

[tulip barn]

Scorch is pretty okay

[low bear]

they really trying to push Selene stonks but it's still not quite there despite 2 buffs in a row

[tulip barn]

I did one run with charon, hera cast, hestia attack. it did fine

[steady nymph]

yea scorch feels amazing now. I had a great run with moros torches and zeus special hestia cast

[tulip barn]

I wanted freezer burn, because I wanna pop chronos like a zit

[civic ocean]

just did no damaging cast Air fryer mel torches where it was just the attack dealing dmg

[tired fulcrum]

Attack charon

[hollow stag]

What was attack?

[civic ocean]

kind of incredible that it breezed 32

[steady nymph]

i had morph selene so every 2 specials i could turn guys into sheep it was boss. 17 min downstairs run.

scorch finally feels like i always wanted it to lol

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1255738034771722352/image.png?ex=667e38ad&is=667ce72d&hm=db03d8c917b2fb1ff3156c6878c7151a1cab6401eb2444ce43bf8307e061f8a3& this seems insane

[tulip barn]

I mean how many do you have

[steady nymph]

that infusion duo boon is absolutely bonkers. i had 6 different infusions lol

[timber pawn]

10 apparently

[low bear]

so 100% dodge chance is alive with new wispy?

[civic ocean]

ten but that's not actually that out of the ordinary now I feel?

[tulip barn]

uh, I'd say that's fairly high

[civic ocean]

You get one for free now its wild

[steady nymph]

yea thats prety high. but you get some from doing resource gathering now

[tulip barn]

10 boons is quite a few, but it comes from a few more sources now

[low bear]

get 3 epic creations from chaos, and the narcissus, and then load up on Zeus

[civic ocean]

This was just narc

[tulip barn]

Yeah. There's also the new Hestia Hera duo that gives you FOUR INFUSION BOONS

like, shesh. Water Fitness got trucked though

[steady nymph]

right thats the one i got. it was glorious

3 duos in my first run this patch with no duo arcana. felt good.

[tulip barn]

Yeah infusions are way stronger now with more things in the game messing with them

I'm still having a hard time getting more than 1 duo

[steady nymph]

nectar giving poms again is just chefs kiss

[tulip barn]

after playing with a 3 god pool for so long, it's harder for me to get stuff

[civic ocean]

I feel 55 is a matter of time now

[steady nymph]

I usually force gods if i feel i need certain boons in the first 3 areas, sometimes just 2. hitting 4 gods was a breeze.it was low fear tho, only 10

[past salmon]

I mean I neatli have a tart run yeh

[timber pawn]

4th word is... Nearly?

[steady nymph]

probably lol

[tulip barn]

I'm forcing gods for most of my runs - I'm aiming for 2 duos a lot of times. But the problem is constantly getting offered a fourth god, so you don't make any headway on what you're after. It's good for certain things, but it feels kinda iffy after seeing what 3 god pools feel like. They were way more consistent, and that may have been something they didn't want

I'm too nervous to pick up the fourth god a lot of the time because I don't wanna keep running into the one that I'm not really wanting

that's probably my issue though

[steady nymph]

oh i probably got lucky with 3 duos for sure. I was usually gettting 4 god pools anyway by ending up with 3 and forcing the 4th. It doesn't feel different to me lol

[tulip barn]

Yeah. I wanted to do a hearththrob run with Heph, Aphro, Apollo, and I couldn't get more than 1 duo

[steady nymph]

shame, that seems really good with aphro gain

[tulip barn]

also there's kinda a weird thing about the Heph Aphro duo - for some reason it specifies the actual damage of the heartthrob separate from Heart Breaker - And Heart Breaker isn't a prereq

It was very fun. It was on Persephone - Had aphro attack apollo special heph sprint

[steady nymph]

not sure why it would be. it seems to be its own heartbreaker proc

[tulip barn]

got the Apollo Heph duo and it was very good

Yeah, I mean sure, but it'd be cool to be able to adjust the heartbreakers for your full build since they come from more than one boon now

not the worst thing in the world or anything, just seems a bit odd

for the boons to list the stat as the exact same thing

Regardless, Heph is way more appealing as an offensive god. More tier 2s and ways to interact with his kit is fun

that apollo duo is quite nice

[steady nymph]

that happens with bolts and splashes too tho, diff damages for the same effect. but yea i'm ready to try a heph build later, really smacks with the skulls or axe

[tulip barn]

I'd like to get a chain reaction thing going at some point too. He felt a bit more memey and high investment before, but there's some fun things to check out now

The Seismic Hammer cooldown change was VERY needed

[bleak night]

I'll just do this seeded one since the hammer start has dashing heave

[civic ocean]

dashing heave

Me when I got dehydrated last week

[low bear]

How good is Hephy lego

[past salmon]

Yeh oops lol

[tulip barn]

I currently qualify for it in the run i'm in, I'll report on it if I get it (momus, it was the only aspect it was actually super good on)

[bleak night]

@past salmon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255749358494810162/sad.mp4?ex=667e4339&is=667cf1b9&hm=5660396c44b3c0b6269c54aab2a7094ce1d8e4686b94743e048068adb8536c91&

[tired fulcrum]

[tough pasture]

So I'm playing using the judgment aracana card and I just had boatman activated after defeating hecates in erebus but I didn't get a +300 boost in gold coins.

Is that a bug?

If it's not, then it's patently unfair.

What's the point of judgment if we don't reap the benefits of the cards that activate at whatever random time?

[bleak night]

I'm going to take a break now, I'm satisfied with my progress

I did 45 attempts at it

[tough pasture]

Brutal.

My condolences.

[dense moss]

probably is, I would think that's how Judgment and the Pig keepsake would interact with that card

[bronze bear]

does heph's impervious boon last longer when in omega slow?

[sand crow]

random question, anyone know how many encounters there are in Thessaly? I'm wondering if I should take a Bridal Glow or not

[bronze bear]

for some reason I had impervious lasting for over 30 seconds in fields lol

[sand crow]

where does one learn of your power zzz

[civic ocean]

Variable

[bronze bear]

and I'm not sure if it's always been intended to be like this - that heph's impervious lasts longer when time is slowed down

[dense moss]

idk specifically, but when you bring up your list of current boons it should tell you what Chamber you're on in the upper-right corner, and each biome tends to be in the 10-12 range

and that ticks up after each encounter on a Ship or in the Fields, even if you don't actually leave that "room"

[hollow ether]

I GOT 32F LETS GOOOOOOO

the than attack build is crazy, i didnt use a single dd

just engraved pin deaths

[sand crow]

isnt engraved pin supposed to refresh as long as you don't die within the ten seconds???

[summer kernel]

Is engraved pin the play for high heat builds?

[hollow ether]

for me it is at least, after oceanus

i usually use 2 god keepsakes for erebus and oceanus, and then swap to engraved pin all the way

[bronze bear]

similar for me

[hollow ether]

you can kinda abuse it in the sense that if u get to 10hp you can die on purpose and refresh 60hp

[civic ocean]

sometimes, its good when your build is finished and you have damage

[bronze bear]

though so far I've gotten close to no value off pin in fields

[summer kernel]

Is the idea just that if you ever get hit during an encounter, you just die before you end it, and get your hp back?

[sand crow]

cuz I just beat the timer but it bugged out and I think now it thinks I died

[summer kernel]

Hmm I see

[hollow ether]

also zeus cast is so insane its an absolute must

[sand crow]

agreed, what the heck is with that thing

also behold the bug that gave me a heart attack lmao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1255754476984336384/Hades_II_2024-06-26_23-13-59.mp4?ex=667e47fe&is=667cf67e&hm=13e6379c431679c1ed99c7d30dfc4f68f4814ace0c17569de3d5925093009e6e&

[midnight path]

What are the strongest aspects for each weapon in your opinion?

I'm trying to get all my aspects to max but I need good starting builds with all weapons for higher fear and I want to know which aspects to prioritize

[sand crow]

I'm pretty sure Medea is the best high-heat skull aspect

[hollow ether]

for me personally,
staff, momus
blades, pan
skulls, medea
axe, than
flames, moros

[sand crow]

I think for axe we might actually have Charon in the number 1 position now due to cast buffs and more build choices

[tulip barn]

Momus is great for the staff. Pan is easy to use for daggers. Mel is the most straightforward of the torches and is easy to max out. Charon is extremely good on the axe but thanatos is also extremely strong. You can do any of the aspects on Revaal but the safest one is probably Mel. Persephone is strong but very unorthodox. Medea is strong but a tad on the risky side for taking damage

Momus will take a while to max but it's the most versatile feeling staff. It works well with most things. Just get a good mana engine

[plain fossil]

Depends what u mean by high heat i guess

[hollow ether]

which weapons have cleared 50f?

[plain fossil]

After this morning, a whole lot more lul

Its probably shorter to list the aspects that havent

ie blades aspects

Technically i havent seen a momus or mel staff clear at 50 but the circe staff clears i saw didnt use the aspect so imo its pretty much the same

[tulip barn]

Staff seems probably the most highly impacted by the hammers out of the weapons

[plain fossil]

Uh maybe

[tulip barn]

Seems close at least

Barring the occasional possessed array or two

[hollow ether]

possessed array was absolutely bonkers without magick usage

[tulip barn]

Rip keen intuition

It's okay we still have weed killer

[bronze bear]

the new hera omega buff boon doesnt seem very good lol'

+15 magick for 2 delayed lines

[past salmon]

It definitely Mel skulls for anything above 40F

Medea is honestly not a good high fear weapon
It can do it
It just kinda murder U a lot

[ripe ore]

I can probably replicate the dio Chiron bow thing if I put hestia on pan special right?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah except its better chiron or can just put poseidon special for instant murdering things

[tender gazelle]

Okay wait serious question am I over valuing Elementary Particles or does it feel like a very strong duo since you're pretty likely to get at least one of the better infusions out of it

[tough pasture]

I just used hestia cast for persephone aspect and gained nothing toward extended omega special. Is that a bug? Should I submit a report?

The new caption for persephone says "casts" so the regular cast should contribute toward the omega special.

[past salmon]

Yeh so Hestia cast deals scorch which doesn't count as cast damage

[civic ocean]

yeah

[tough pasture]

wut?

really? why?

[civic ocean]

hestia's cast applies scorch which is a seperate damage source

[past salmon]

Scorch is it's own damage type

[tough pasture]

then i'm confused what regular casts apply damage?

[past salmon]

Arctic ring, heph, Zeus, aphro

Poseidon, Apollo, most of them

[civic ocean]

also the omega cast itself

[tough pasture]

aphro regular cast applies damage?

[past salmon]

Yeh it got buffed

[tough pasture]

hang on...poseidon's cast is geyser ring and that's an omega cast (unless that was changed in this new patch).

i'm asking about purely regular casts.

[gentle coral]

it is changed to do upfront damage too as regular cast

[past salmon]

Changed in patch
Geyser ring still exists tho

[gentle coral]

geyser ring is a tier 2 boon now

[tough pasture]

ah, i see...

got some more experimenting to do. i've only done 3 (4?) runs in the new patch so i haven't seen all the new stuff.

[plain fossil]

at least arctic ring isnt a mindless autopick anymore i guess

[tough pasture]

it's very interesting to me that scorch doesn't count as cast damage by hestia though...

A new player wouldn't know that from the start.

[plain fossil]

not sure i would have gone this balance route but i mean casts are more balanced now

[past salmon]

Yeah now I mindlessly autopick arctic or settle for Aphro!

[plain fossil]

u can click cold storage now

its so good click it i guarantee it will give u a semi chub

and na i mean at least settling isnt going to feel totally awful anymore

[tough pasture]

btw, in 140ish runs, i have only gotten like 3 legendaries and like 5 duo boons. (I checked the fated list for duo boon prophecies.) I must not be building correctly...

/At least I'm still completing runs and beating chronos with regularlity despite weak damage numbers.

//Think I need to learn how to optimize builds. That's a big work in progress.

[hollow briar]

Rate the totally legit Arcana setup https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716711284862746644/1255770402773274706/image.png?ex=667e56d3&is=667d0553&hm=492d86e2df403f0838c08e6c699bfc00acb515b81183cc48a0d30f20a2fe94fe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=516

[round shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9zHelNczx8

[tough pasture]

lol, just got offered hestia's legendary after making this post.

I also have 260+ armor. LFG!!!

[wispy perch]

different arcana?

[analog ether]

So, Hera's Blood Line boon feels nuts with the Axe special.

[tough pasture]

I think the reworked arcana did help though I can't pinpiont why.

it's easier for me to get epic and duo boons now.

But I'm also doing a better job of paying attention to the codex and using keepsakes to optimize builds.

hestia + hephaestus on persephone aspect feels like a powerhouse combination now (which can be replicated on other weapon aspects - not just skull). the armor is incredible. i had definitely been underrating the armor and impervious aspect of hephy's skill offerings.

the build I have right now is the build high fear speedrunners dream. the rarity is one thing but just the combination of skills is perfect.

[tough pasture]

tell me more. what do you mean?

[subtle ether]

im having a hard time feeling out the best place to use Zeus status - on attacks that do big burst damage, or attacks that are quick but weak

[tough pasture]

i still don't understand zeus blitz. i reported my sot it because my game might be bugged. i see the clouds but the blitz thing doesn't work consistently.

[violet temple]

it's moreso that you use it as a secondary source of damage that you apply quickly, for example zeus special on medea is good because the attack does the bulk of the damage which procs blitz damage

or in some sort of cast build, where you keep applying blitz while the cast does most of the damage

it's definitely one of the more niche curses and not something you usually want to take tbh

[tough pasture]

that's an interesting one. I'll have to try this for novelty's sake because I haven't tried it yet.

[analog ether]

Blood Line basically creates a Staff Omega Attack every time you use an Omega move, at the cost of 15 additional mana. And it's a pretty hefty amount of damage. I got lucky and found it at epic rarity my first time with it. No poms, does 140 damage.

The Axe Omega Special is pretty easy to line up, so it's just very good additional damage.

No Fear, most things that didn't get just killed outright by the Omega Special got finished off by Blood Lines (outside of bosses, of course).

[tough pasture]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'll try for that in a later run...

[bleak night]

Clean 50F for Mel Axe https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1255790473214169198/image.png?ex=667e6984&is=667d1804&hm=ef701c8d00d962b8a5bcd2817d413f5b9caa07eb7de2730bec7e5aa2f744a83d&

Managed to make Whirlwinding usable in 50F, kinda happy about that

[low bear]

True but arctic got buffed because cold storage appears now even without atk/spec

[plain fossil]

Yea i mentioned it above

[plain fossil]

Lookit this guy doesnt even click cast boons

[past salmon]

I'm telling you guys

[plain fossil]

I havent even tried the patch yet im getting slammed at work 😦

[past salmon]

Axe is busted
Plz continue to buff it it will be funny

[tender anvil]

Ouch! I think clearing Chronos phase 1 counts for pin timer (you stay alive at 60 hp)

And omg, Mynt! 52 is incredible! Do be recording please, for your own sanity

[tough pasture]

Got a stream I can watch?

[bleak night]

I have these recorded at least, so I'll just post em on YT ig

[tough pasture]

What's your YouTube account?

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/@Myntkaramell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1255800046692204645/image.png?ex=667e726e&is=667d20ee&hm=2c2f2b9978ca9e565f231126a4696c28c6cf77873fdf08f1f2ea997fbc696db3& alr, that's 50F on all the Axes in the new patch now. Time to grind Abandon 51+ later

[plain fossil]

Very strong

[tough pasture]

@bleak night

When you get a chance... (I see that yo went red)

What was you reasoning for taking nova flourish over solar ring for the axe on 50F?

https://youtu.be/TeVd8g44PIU?t=274

[past salmon]

Nova Flourish is crack

[bleak night]

Oh, this is previous patch right? Nova Flourish is the strongest on Charon in terms of raw damage since the blast radius is massive, so you can tag enemies 2 times 100% of the time, with a sweetspot for 3 times

also Solar Ring made it so your deployment rate of Casts was really slow, since you had to wait for it to finish

[tough pasture]

Yeah, previous patch.

So nova flourish is superior to aphro special for charon?

/Shows how little I know about the game.

[past salmon]

Well Aphro has the problem of being close range only

[bleak night]

Aphro Special wants you to be too close to the target, and even then only the first blast gets the Close-Up damage boost

[tough pasture]

ok, yeah...I keep forgetting that about aphro special (and her attack for that matter)...

[bleak night]

@tired fulcrum What's the new timing for the instakill? I tried dodging it on 50F and died twice lmao. Still won at least

[hollow crypt]

note to self: never take Possessed Array + Gagged Curse from Chaos

[bleak night]

Oh, did it just damage you on pickup ?

[hollow crypt]

yeah 6 dmg per pickup

[plain fossil]

so whats the new go-to gain for builds that arent charon

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246053364647596104/1255806909273997383/Patch_3_50F_Melinoe_Axe_-_Trim.mp4?ex=667e78d2&is=667d2752&hm=520445c73709b606aece6460e278c60f25be0a78a80890d9b0d62180f6ecdb36&

[past salmon]

kinda weapon dependent I think Maybe
Moros likes Hestia actually

[plain fossil]

I'll try hestia i wanna see if it works with momus anyway

[bleak night]

Hestia's pretty interesting rn, yeah

[hollow crypt]

uh, how does 2x Talent Boon from Chaos stack

multiplicatively? I have -55% magick use and am offered another -60%

[past salmon]

find out ig

[plain fossil]

is origination worth clicking now we reckon

[past salmon]

Pretty sure people have shown 0 magick cost stuff so maybe additively

[past salmon]

its 50/50
Orig is still rlly strong

[plain fossil]

also wtf how do i turn off divinity on a build that wants sorceress lmao

i dont want any fking epics

[past salmon]

turn off boatman

or just swift runner ig

[plain fossil]

yea ok maybe off boatman on origination is the way

imma miss my rerolls

or maybe off boatman on artificer now that its cheapo

[past salmon]

arti is good

[plain fossil]

omg this is the worst if i turn off boatman on origination then it activates the row and divinity turns on anyway

[bronze bear]

I've had -30%, -45%, and -50% on omegas, omega cast still cost 3

[plain fossil]

fk me this cannot be real lmao

[bronze bear]

I think 0 cost is with clean candle

[past salmon]

ahh ok

[bronze bear]

https://imgur.com/9sD3PNN probably .7*.55*.5*15 = 3

[plain fossil]

alright ive cut furies im actually in hell

oh hestia doesnt even work on momus because i cant read

[bronze bear]

why

[plain fossil]

its attack and special

[hollow crypt]

Phase Shift is so good against Gramps now

[bronze bear]

yeah it almost seems broken

I can imagine melting down an entire phase in phase shift with the crit boon, a literal phase shift

[bleak night]

hiya!

[robust prism]

I haven't had a chance to play the new patch yet, what are y'all's takes so far?

[bleak night]

Charon busted

also the new Hera cast is really damn good

[robust prism]

did anything change about charon?

[sly turret]

I think the game feels easier in general now

[bleak night]

Hitch targets inside, Hitch and damage targets that spawn in

[robust prism]

oh damn

[bleak night]

Just that Apollo is just god tier on it now. Cast with Daze on plop, Lucid Gain having perfect synergy, Special just really good as always

[robust prism]

tbh I kinda don't like that they removed the triple duration thing, it was a cool idea even though it needed some help

[bleak night]

the easier bit is Chronos just being time slow-able, minor finds giving you some stats like H1 did, etc

[robust prism]

oh I see I see

[bleak night]

It adds up, to be fair, so it's pretty nice. No reroll drops though

[robust prism]

yeah figures

are hestia and heph attack/special actually usable now?

[bleak night]

Heph Special has a lower cooldown now in general, at least. Hestia def got buffed. 80 scorch/sec at base

[robust prism]

that's like doubled right?

[bleak night]

Yep

[robust prism]

cool

gotta try some of these things later

what about arcanas? is artificer meta now?

[split igloo]

The new Hestia demeter duo is busted as hell on any fast weapon. The Hestia mana gain is also great. Selene changes feel nice. And the new incantations feel like they make the curve a little nicer moving into oceanus

[robust prism]

noted

I didn't really feel like hearth gain needed a change though

they didn't touch fixed gain right?

[true perch]

Not that I'm complaining, but I've been running Erebus with Circe keepsake and for the second time in a row I got Judgement from it.

If it happens again, I'm calling someone. But damn if it isn't satisfying.

[robust prism]

what is the born gain base primed magic now btw?

[sly turret]

20 common

[bleak night]

20

[robust prism]

oh that's still not even much lol

sounds like it's most likely still the best gain

[cursive gate]

I think maybe it's like the best in general usage?
If you're on pan idk why you wouldn't run hestia.

[bleak night]

Poseidon still does a lot of work on it is all

[robust prism]

yeah on pan I can certainly see hestia being the best

[cursive gate]

Does furies work with Charon?

[glass lintel]

how good is dodge chance?

say it was 10%, can it be treated as 10% increase in ehp?

[tall notch]

I didn't math it but I'd value 10% dodge higher than 10% health

Because you can like dodge a oneshot

[glass lintel]

im pretty early on in the game, but that doesn't seem to happen often here.

i guess for early game it would be better for the last hit

[tall notch]

Do you have fear unlocked yet?

[glass lintel]

no heh

[tall notch]

Oneshots become common even in normal chambers with certain modifiers on

I've been hit for 80+ dmg in chamber 1

[past salmon]

112!

[tall notch]

Oh yeah these guys from Oceanus right

[bleak night]

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[split igloo]

JESUS

[low bear]

These enemies are the worst

[bronze bear]

imo Apollo gain is best on charon now

Hera runs out too fast for me

[bleak night]

I tried Zeus on it for fun and it was kinda bad

[bronze bear]

yeah zeus has been bad for ,me too

If i have 70 magick and rare Hera, that's 2+1+1 specials before I'm broke

[bleak night]

what part are you usually dying at while doing 50F Charon runs besides the usual Erebus time outs

[bronze bear]

not sure yet, Cerberus seems harder now

[past salmon]

honestly for Charon 50F just start apollo and then grab selene and hope its eclipse or shift