#h2-builds-and-combat

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iron ember
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i managed to get to chronos with 3 dds and half a healthbar

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got absolutely decimated. like it wasnt even funny, it was just kind of sad

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my demeter attack was like 100%

spare kite
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My axe gameplay is kinda ass sadly so can't give much tips

iron ember
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honestly i just cannot use a staff for this particular feat setup

spare kite
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All my 32f have been torches

iron ember
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i have it so i dont have to contend with damage/health boons

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no rebukes, no nothing. i have one in suffering and thats it

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what does that mean? 0v0

past salmon
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Just struggling on Chronos specifically?

iron ember
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yeah only chronos

past salmon
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For Axe I like to play super agro on Chronos fight and just block everytime he does something
I dont think he has any unblockable attacks in P1 so
Just dont stand in the explodie trails

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@bleak night can probs give you better tips tho

iron ember
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oh damn i forgot blocks exist lol????

spare kite
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Blocks in phase 2 are great

iron ember
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that would be really fricken useful

spare kite
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You can just delete the clock hands

past salmon
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P2 you can also block like everything yeh

iron ember
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gosh oh my god

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im going to literally juice this man. im taking chronos on a juice cleanse

past salmon
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Axe is my favourite weapon to fight Chronos with
I can hitless him pretty consistently with it when im not throwing

iron ember
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we're going to be back in hades 1 with all of the titan blood im going to take out of him

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prince of blood co-authoring my homestuck hades 2 story

past salmon
bleak night
iron ember
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how do i max fury chronos

past salmon
iron ember
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immmmm really bad at it with moonstone. i can get through it easy

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until chronos. then im being brought on mr. bones' wild ride

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chronos is mr. bones if that was not clear

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my man is a walking skeleton. he looks like one of those mummies that the british stole and used as medicine

who am i kidding i am down for the old man

bleak night
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Oh, you can block most things, just not the space-time tears, and sometimes blocking the scythe swings is a bad idea because it opens you up to attack after by stunning you. It does block the scythe swing though

iron ember
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the scythe swing is the main part im struggling with tho

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i dash through him and he turns around to hit me

past salmon
iron ember
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like he's a real person? errmmm only real people can react to what the other fighter does

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no but like he's schooling me every single time. im like marinating in a pond of my own sweat here

warped fjord
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Finally beat ||Eris|| YAY

iron ember
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i think ive tried to kill him like four times, at like 23~ minutes each attempt?

iron ember
limpid coral
iron ember
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my brain screams KEEP SWINGING

warped fjord
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No more content till full game is out? :0

limpid coral
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unlucky

iron ember
limpid coral
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I think every weapon can do a basic or dash attack between dashes

iron ember
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good luck btw! i hope you get plenty of Nightmares and avoid having nightmares in the process

bleak night
past salmon
bleak night
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I wish it was consistent with the interaction

digital hazel
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do you build thanatos axe for omega attack or special?

bleak night
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Omega Attack mostly

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though I do play it a bit hybrid, with swings ensuring I stagger targets before I charge

clear charm
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Hi all. I’m sure this has been asked before. But which of Hecate’s moves are considered projectiles. Because I had soot sprint and got bodied by what i thought were projectiles

warped fjord
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has anyone tried max fear runs?

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I wonder if they are as supposedly impossible as hades 1 max heat

plain fossil
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theres a couple ppl here that have tried 55s, 55 was done last patch with old momus plus savestates nobody's done it off a fresh run

low bear
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yes people have tried it, though I don't think anyone has cleared 55 yet unseeded

warped fjord
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I see o:

I assume is like 64 heat on H1

violet temple
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am I supposed to just suffer if I don't get a mana regen boon in erebus with pan

warped fjord
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I'm perfectly content with 0 fear for now until I get better at dodging

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I'm a they/them but I should be called skill/issues pensive_pirate

plain fossil
past salmon
plain fossil
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neither is wrong personally i prefer option 2

past salmon
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The highest Fear currently cleared unseeded is 50F

warped fjord
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also, which do you guys think is the best god for mana regen?

violet temple
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yeah that's what I thought

violet temple
warped fjord
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I used to hear it was hestia but I'm not sure anymore

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which does hera do?

violet temple
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prime and refill once you hit 0

past salmon
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Born gain
Probably getting nerfed in next patch tho so I wouldnt rely on it

warped fjord
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I heard hestia is nice cause you get fast mp for doing nothing but max health and mana cuts hurt me quite a bit

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I'm kinda liking aphrodite's and apollo- but I'll def try hera

plain fossil
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hestia gain is great, its probably second best after hera

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but hera gain gives u an enormous amount of mana for no worries that also lets u chain cast without downtime

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ok guys i got a fix to two problems at once

meager bramble
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It's bananas looking at Hestia's gain next to Zeus's

plain fossil
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born gain and free fear from vow of arrogance

meager bramble
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20% health is considered basically the same as 70% magick?

plain fossil
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solution is double the prime from vow of arrogance

past salmon
plain fossil
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and laugh at all the people who thought mana was gonna be playable at high fear

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what u think

violet temple
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💀

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manaless is lowkey the way tho

past salmon
plain fossil
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man clicked unseen card he has no sanity left anyway

past salmon
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Hey I've also clicked unseen

tired fulcrum
past salmon
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wait yeh no that checks out my sanity left me a while ago

meager bramble
hollow stag
past salmon
past pewter
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What if priming is permanent

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Or resets at the end of a region

past salmon
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That would be a quick way to make it useless unless they giga reduced the prime amount

bleak night
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Ima go sleep ChillBar_wave

past salmon
low bear
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Does onion negate my keepsake guarantee?

past salmon
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no

low bear
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Oh nice

dim kestrel
zenith bolt
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poms removing the priming is probably not intended

plain fossil
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For sure

crisp moth
zenith bolt
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you probably already have been without noticing it

crisp moth
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I haven’t done arrogance yet

zenith bolt
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in that case i guess not bouldy

crisp moth
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I just beat beat chronos on 12 fear when I only expected to beat Hecate

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Using the super bonk build

steel sequoia
crisp moth
plain fossil
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its not that high, i certainly take more when im playing a lower damage build or im being a potato

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or did u mean its crazy low

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cos its not uncommon to do chronos with low/no damage taken just like other guardians where u have lovers card to cover ur mistakes esp if ur build has dps

crisp moth
simple swan
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Any recs for a cool torch build? Getting kinda bored of Mel aspect...

wise idol
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Moros with blitz on special and kinda anything on attack

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Get clean candle and spam explosions, but tons of hammers work

simple swan
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What's the gameplay loop for moros? It seems sorta obtuse to me

wise idol
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Omega special, then run in and hold attack

plain fossil
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Omega special then jump in and spam attack

wise idol
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Keep dashing while doing it to keep yourself safe, attack and explosions hit stun

plain fossil
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Its pretty simple it just requires u to play like a nutcase

spare kite
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Also use huntress with moros

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The omega ghosts explosions count as normals rn

gritty heath
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ive been playin a bunch of manaless staff builds to see whats good, i stg if there was an aspect for attack based staff builds i wouldnt play anything else, its so fun

plain fossil
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Yea the little fat eos man is also a normal attack if anyone missed it

simple swan
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Ty for the tips gamers, I will try it out post-haste

wise idol
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Hopefully we create another moros enjoyer today ZagSalute

steel sequoia
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have to try sometime MelGrin

wise idol
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Highly recommend

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It’s my favorite weapon

steel sequoia
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mel pink aura is weird now, i feel the flames have a weird moving pattern

simple swan
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What is pink aura?

wise idol
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Aphro special and heartthrobs on Mel torches

simple swan
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Oh wtf

wise idol
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With sunny disposition if you can get it for more heartthrobs

simple swan
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Someone in general chat made it sound like it was complicated or something, you explained it in like two words

wise idol
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lol

simple swan
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Alright, moros time. I will report my findings later

cursive oyster
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more must join the moros cult

wise idol
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Moros! Moros! Moros! Moros!

spare kite
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Lmao sheep hex is hilarious for chary

steel sequoia
simple swan
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LOL

crisp moth
steel sequoia
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still good but not as busted

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its mel torches with aphro special, heartrob, apollo duo

spare kite
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And apollo legendary

crisp moth
steel sequoia
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and if u want origination arcana also good

spare kite
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That specific screenshot is pre forsaking nerf so kinda forget about the legendary

steel sequoia
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also born gain recommended u need a lot of mana for that, and hamers/hermes, anything that gives atk speed

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still good tho u can destroy without the legendary, some atk speed and duo is enough to make it easy

spare kite
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Let's goo I finally maxed Hermes keepsake

crisp moth
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Pink Aura and microwave are hilarious

sage flame
iron ember
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Oh, btw, thank you! I unlocked all of the statues because of your help. By the way, what are the testaments?

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It's in the one fear shrine. I want a 100% the game before new content comes out

spare kite
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each target = one testament

iron ember
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Sick. So what's the max testament?

spare kite
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30 total across all weapons

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all the weapons go like 1 fear then 4, then 8 and etc

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torches and blades go to 24, the rest to 20

crisp moth
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blades are my favorite weapon

spare kite
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@unborn pollen #h2-feedback message if you stand in the circle to start the sequence and then walk off, once the counter hits 0% you are kicked out of asphodel anyways

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with the only consequence being that you won't get the reward

white vessel
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so how do i build for charon axe?

simple swan
wise idol
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Lets go!

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Moros gang grows in number

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Soon we shall take over

tired fulcrum
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#h2-feedback message @digital hazel dashing doesnt actually cancel the axe omega special and you still get iframes while dashing during the channel btw, the default binds on controller make it awkward since you have to keep holding special during your dash but its pretty easy if you rebind

spare kite
steel sequoia
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apollo cast and slamming specials (hera is good for gain and spread) and the zeus + local climate (but you manually omega cast and dont slam the casts)

white vessel
steel sequoia
white vessel
steel sequoia
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its easier to play, u can learn zeus climate later cause its harder to do and you probably dont have all the stuff

steel sequoia
white vessel
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oh

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so just cast

steel sequoia
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yep, not omega cast, just cast and special it

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use apollo cast and its fine

white vessel
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So apollo solar flare or whatever its called? and mana regain from hera?

steel sequoia
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its called solar ring and born gain

white vessel
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cool

steel sequoia
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its mana intensive but its fun, the best aspect i like

white vessel
steel sequoia
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anything works on special, you will see

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if you can get any speed special to make it faster is better

tired fulcrum
steel sequoia
tired fulcrum
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Ring climate is a meme, a good one tho

steel sequoia
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dont think he is playing 32 fear so its fine

tired fulcrum
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Best is just a normal cast with a status like dem > aphro > hestia

steel sequoia
white vessel
tired fulcrum
white vessel
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what makes that better?

tired fulcrum
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You cannot recast while apollo's lingering aoe is active which lowers your dps since it does a lot less damage than the cast explosion itself

white vessel
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cool

steel sequoia
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onion good night lol

tired fulcrum
spare kite
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does atk speed do anything for medea

white vessel
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How do you build for moros? it seems fun

spare kite
white vessel
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is the skull gun thingy good?

spare kite
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yeah

white vessel
uneven palm
spare kite
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didn't know what to use so might as well give it levels lmfao

white vessel
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when should phial be used?

spare kite
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when the boon you wanna rarify is the only common, so pretty much before oceanus

white vessel
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cool

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what is good on attack for moros? high percent for explosion?

spare kite
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yeah, I go hera usually as I start with her anyways for born gain

white vessel
spare kite
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yeah

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she has the 2nd highest % behind aphro, but hitch feels a lot better (and you make up dmg with origination)

white vessel
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whay is origination

spare kite
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arcana, do more dmg when enemy has 2 curses on them (+50% at max)

white vessel
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how should i apply those 2 curses

spare kite
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you can take dem's keepsake into oceanus for her cast

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keep in mind you can cast even if you are mid attack

white vessel
spare kite
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but taking lightning lance/glowing coal disables this

spare kite
white vessel
tired fulcrum
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For charon the window to do it mid special is very short during the beginning

spare kite
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new momus is so fun wth

tired fulcrum
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If you have giga cleaver you can also it right after you special tho

spare kite
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forgot that it opened spiteful strength

white vessel
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so with the staffs when i kill an enemy rather than locking to a new enemy she just chooses a random direction and starts shooting

plain fossil
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i keep telling ppl play new momus its heaps fun

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but everyone is like ew mana do u play on 0 fear real men play static shock 😦

quartz plaza
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is it me or does the game really want you to take a fourth god and not offer you any of your other three until you take a 4th?

plain fossil
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its just u

spare kite
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when your pool is not filled you can still see any of the gods so it'll be rarer to see who you want

plain fossil
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afaict theres no extra weighting given to the "fourth god" bucket over any one of the existing three gods if u alrdy have three gods

spare kite
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missing 3 out of 8 still kinda bad tho bouldy

plain fossil
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like its not 3/8 if u have 3 gods filled

zenith bolt
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if you have 2/4 of your god pool, game stops offering you those two until you take more

plain fossil
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its something like(?) 1/4 for each of the 3 existing gods and 1/4 for one of the other 5 but im not sure if its exactly 1/4

quartz plaza
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i never saw any of my 3 gods at all after mid-fields

plain fossil
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i dont see this with 2 gods either i often come out of erebus with like 3 or 4 of 1 god and 1 of another and thats my entire erebus

quartz plaza
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it kept trying to give me hestia and i had no rerolls

spare kite
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get away chronos

quartz plaza
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are there times you just can't safely damage chronos no matter where you stand?

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i try to stand behind him at all times but still take a lot of damage :(

plain fossil
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i mean thats a very weapon dependent question lul

spare kite
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dude just asphodel'd my ass 2 times in a row

zenith bolt
quartz plaza
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i am having trouble consistently getting coarse grit, just not enough demeters

tired fulcrum
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Instakill is free dps window tho

zenith bolt
quartz plaza
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am on mel axe

zenith bolt
quartz plaza
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there, adjusetd my server profile accordingly

zenith bolt
meager bramble
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Any Melinoë skull build tips? Other than the obvious +2 skulls hammer?

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Not sure what gods to shoot for

spare kite
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wth is with the +30 power hammer

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this thing is disgusting

quartz plaza
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how do i dodge hecate's sheep? it always gets me, i am too slow to run away from it and i dash and it stil lcatches me :(

tired fulcrum
quartz plaza
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toula also does not soak it, unlike frinos

tired fulcrum
spare kite
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dem's cyclone stuff also work pretty well

quartz plaza
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or maybe you have to sprint and dash? but they're both space bar :-/

spare kite
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that's with old swift runner

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and yeah is sprinting but you don't need to

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just dash through the hex, wait for it to come back and dash through it again

quartz plaza
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dash through? not away

spare kite
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correct

quartz plaza
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will try that

spare kite
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you are invincible during it

tired fulcrum
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If you dash through it has to slow down and turn around

spare kite
timber pawn
tired fulcrum
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When sgg makes 3 omega focused staff aspects only for us to just spam attack bouldy

timber pawn
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Someone got a 7:07 attack staff run apparently lol

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I have seen the victory screen but not the vod

low bear
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Wow is Crushing Comet secretly goated for Eos?

plain fossil
low bear
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lol

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it hits like a truck but I dunno what special to put on it

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Apollo seems to do nothing

plain fossil
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spamming omega specials sucks on eos because its got poor coverage but spamming regular specials sucks because its got no damage

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enter CRUSHING COMET

low bear
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I've made decent progress in 42 fear with it

plain fossil
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i just put hera or demeter on it i dont think too hard

low bear
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I have Hera on attack and Demeter cast

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ideally I get Hera/Heph duo that would make it go crazy

plain fossil
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btw crushing comet eos is a mana build that doesnt need a gain

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u use so little mana u can get by with like just unseen card or a crappy common chaos boon

spare kite
plain fossil
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so u dont actually need to plan around born gain or whatever

spare kite
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nvm rerolling worked lmfao

low bear
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Soul Mate lowkey a nerf in normal chambers

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dunno why they had to put a limit on hitched foes lmao

spare kite
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this is before chronos lmao

plain fossil
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also if u can tell me how to consistently beat 5 min timer on eos that would be greatly appreciated i stg its so miserable

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this weapon too goddamn slow

low bear
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I always end up at Chronos with around 2-3 mins left and I die to deadline

plain fossil
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die to timer on 7min? man life is rough

quartz plaza
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can i use block to animation cancel that lag from teh finishing attack on mel ae?

low bear
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so I've resorted to going 7 and onion

plain fossil
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oh okok i cant even get out of erebus on 5min as eos

low bear
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but Onion is rough to play with

plain fossil
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the only time i did was with room 1 crushing comet

low bear
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on a non comet run I usually go for Apollo attack

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and Hera special

spare kite
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but momus is fun

low bear
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wicked + mirrored is goated

plain fossil
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i should try apollo attack i just need anything to make the little floaty man suck less

low bear
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throw in rapid and your attacks destroy

spare kite
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how much is rapid?

low bear
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floaty man's tracking needs to be improved a lot

plain fossil
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35% p sure

spare kite
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50% wth

plain fossil
white vessel
tired fulcrum
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You get the double attack, +50% attack speed, and +30 power hammers

white vessel
spare kite
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hammer

white vessel
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ah

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what aspect?

spare kite
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doesn't matter bouldy
none of the aspects affect atk dmg

white vessel
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on spear right?

spare kite
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yeah

white vessel
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which would be good to use?

spare kite
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I just did momus cuz I wanted to use the aspect lmao

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just happened to run into 2 of the 3 op hammers

white vessel
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is momus the one that leaves the little orb

spare kite
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yeah, shoots your omegas again

white vessel
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that seems pretty good

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might try it

how do you get nightmare? beating chronos?

white vessel
spare kite
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all of them are hammers

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to get 3 hammers you want echo to copy one or use icarus's keepsake

white vessel
white vessel
spare kite
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2nd biome yeah

white vessel
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whats his keep sake do?

spare kite
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gives you a random hammer that lasts for 10/15/20 rooms

white vessel
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thats kinda cool

zenith bolt
spare kite
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old grudge carry

zenith bolt
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true

quartz plaza
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tried rerolling out of arachne's chamber and got:
gold, pom, health, mana, gold, pom -- and out of dice -- i thougth those were major finds and could go into boons?

civic ocean
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THEY CAN YEP

quartz plaza
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just got super unlucky? :(

spare kite
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Doors have a bag system so after a few rolls stuff will just repeat

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I don't know the specifics of it tho so don't ask me that bouldy

trim summit
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I tried to reroll an ephyra boon once and it went back and forth between two gods I already had

plain fossil
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I generally dont reroll poms for this reason

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Like u can if u really need a particular boon/god but it can be very reroll costly

tired fulcrum
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For double exits i can usually spend 3 reroll to get a boon, but thats 3 rerolls bouldy

plain fossil
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Yea i do that as well but i dont roll over poms if i hit that first

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Im not sure if im rerolling room rewards too aggressively but i always reroll selene and coins and nearly always reroll centaur heart and mana pot

obsidian yarrow
plain fossil
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Neat sounds like a sensible setup. how quick was ur erebus?

obsidian yarrow
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probably about 4 minutes. I got the first 2 boons fairly quickly, and I started with the hammer that makes specials grow in size and do more damage. Second hammer was to charge omega attack faster. Every room automatically started with an omega attack followed up with an immediate omega special. then i would just run to the other side of the room and alternate attacks and specials so everything was hitch/blitz triggering constantly.

plain fossil
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mm i havent been able to crack 5 easily on 32 i'll try zeus special again

quartz plaza
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man i just suck at not taking damge from chronos :(

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i try to stand behind him but still get hit?

plain fossil
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theres a couple of ways to do it

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the way i play against chronos with mel axe is stand in front of him, keep a cast up, and dash behind whenever he starts to do anything

quartz plaza
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ah i was trying to stand behind him and then dash when he turned but it was too late

plain fossil
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this does mean u need to watch chronos carefully, if u space out he will hit u with whatever he does

quartz plaza
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and sometimes i would dash to the wrong spot

plain fossil
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thats what i like doing personally, ive seen other people stay behind him with mel axe it seems to be totally fine

obsidian yarrow
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this particular run had a 9 minute timer, but had I known, I would have traded other debuffs for less time lol. Chasing revenants would have cost me the run with a 5 minute timer, but without that activated, I could have put the other fear into the timer and been fine.
That run made Eos one of my new favorite aspects. The daybreaker running around blasting everyone with high damage and blitz while helping you spread hitch absolutely everywhere. Im interested in trying new combos as well

plain fossil
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basically if u just tunnel on chronos and keep a cast up + dash behind when he twitches you get the hang of his moveset and then it just becomes second nature

quartz plaza
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yeah i just need more reps on him, wish i could jsut practice him

plain fossil
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oh and try not to use the third swing it sucks

quartz plaza
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how do i avoid using the third swing?

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the lag on the third swing is leading cause of my deaths

plain fossil
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swing swing wait, swing swing block, swing swing dash through, swing swing move all work

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the wait to reset the swing sequence is not long if u dont mash

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swing swing block will always cancel but block has its own lag

obsidian yarrow
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just wait a bit, or tap special/cast if its a good time for either

plain fossil
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cast wont interrupt the swing timer

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ranged cast does but idk why u would click that on mel axe lul

obsidian yarrow
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I think its cause im doing a slowed down omega cast most of the times im casting, so my b on that assumption

plain fossil
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omega cast certainly does but please dont swing swing omega cast in chronos's face ur gonna take 50 damage lul

obsidian yarrow
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but block will interrupt the third swing, but it has its own timing issues like you mentioned.

zenith bolt
quartz plaza
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does zeus sprint work if you don't have mana?

plain fossil
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did u actually go insane recasting omega cast with a 3 second duration

obsidian yarrow
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the good ole swing swing dash behind, wait just a second and start swinging again is hard to beat though

zenith bolt
plain fossil
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lul ok

zenith bolt
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basically was just alternating omega cast -> omega special 👍

plain fossil
zenith bolt
obsidian yarrow
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you cooked

ashen sinew
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I wanted to try this build

zenith bolt
quartz plaza
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woot! 32F

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even almost bricked my build by replacing hera attack with ice strike thanks to a random boon buy that just rolled demeter with 1 boon left

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pretty sure damage taken from chronos is before any modifiers, since i did not take that much damage (thanks coarse grit!)

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man that feels good

gritty heath
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experimental hammer in fields feels kinda good, u still have it for chronos but still get to keepsake swap

quartz plaza
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yeah, definitely the play

gritty heath
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I pulled double thrasher on attack staff from experimental hammer

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i got an echo hammer too, but no attack enchant

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or I woulda had the 4x attack hammer run lol

plain fossil
neat nimbus
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how do some people charge the omega attack without doing a few hits first? i didn't find any info on this in game but i'm sure that some people do that

tired fulcrum
past salmon
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Fellas I'm actually going insane
Why was the thought "I should start trying for a 45F or 48F streak" something that actually crossed my mind
Please send help

bleak night
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Wondering if it's possible to do an Omega Attack Axe run on high fear rather than rely on spamming swings

past salmon
bleak night
past salmon
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I just finished 45F all weapons and not a single one took more than 2 tries

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Bouta get slapped by overconfidence going for a streak and lose 19 times on blades

civic ocean
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I mean if u can do it do it

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Seems fun to try

bleak night
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I need to do 45 on Blades and Torches still

past salmon
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Blades sucks
I hate this weapon like actually tho

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I don't even know why
I just don't vibe with it

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You either play pan or you play Medea if it was way less cool

surreal hazel
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Riposte is hilarious

plain fossil
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Mel blades has 1 problem and thats the middle strikes have no coverage and no range

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If they could actually reliably hit things the weapon would be rly good as it is the weapon sucks nuts

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I find artemis kinda fun

bleak night
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By middle strikes you mean both the 2nd and 3rd hit or just the flurry part?

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2nd comes out fast enough I find, flurry one feels like a detriment to use

plain fossil
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just the flurry

bleak night
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Yeah, it's rough

plain fossil
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if u hit with the whole flurry it does good damage with poseidon its just unreasonably small

bleak night
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I might just try to do 45 with Arty then

past salmon
bleak night
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Oh, that sounds doable then. I'll try with Arty first and see if I have to swap to Pan

tulip sonnet
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hera attacks are so… good with the staff. i love HER!

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the only thing i get finicky with is having hitch explosion or hitch amp show up

tough pasture
plain fossil
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u need to be on the other side of him, the hitbox is his scythe trail which is way wider than the little narrow black thing that gets left behind to tell u dont stand there

tough pasture
# plain fossil second hit of scythe will absolutely hit u there, theres no real safe zone next ...

Yeah, I've made it a habit to dodge behind chronos after the first semi-circle but I often take damage when he forms the other semi-circle with his scythe and I can't figure out why. i've had instances where I thought I was standing far enough away after dashing behind him...

I don't understand where the safezone is...

chronos is definitely different hades in that regard. in hades 1 final boss fight, dashing behind hades as he did his spin attack was usally safe if timed correctly. But again, I can't make sense of where the safezone against chronos is.

past salmon
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the safezone is just not near Chronos ong

tough pasture
zenith bolt
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hitbox is basically a cone in front of him

tough pasture
zenith bolt
tough pasture
bleak night
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I didn't realize I took that much damage the entire run lol

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probably Trusty Shield absorbing a lot of those hits, too

robust prism
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for what, 20% more backstab damage? when there's a hammer that gives you like +200%?

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or was it 40 I don't even remember but it's very meh either way

tired fulcrum
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Yeah its 40% bouldy aka like nothing

robust prism
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yeah it needs to be more if it's supposed to have a serious case to be sometimes used over the other two at all

zenith bolt
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+40% conditional additive damage 👍 shoutout to apollo's backstab boon which i think is +50% at common?

robust prism
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how much crit does Artemis give you again

zenith bolt
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50% for the next 9 hits, if memory serves

bleak night
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it also allows you to Riposte without the mana for your Omega Attack, as long as you get into the stance

robust prism
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yeah so essentially unconditional double damage as long as you have riposte up

bleak night
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I can see Arty Blades clearing as high fear as possible down the line with no timer since you can technically just abuse your invuln state

robust prism
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I think mel blades need to give you like +100% backstab damage as well to be able to compete imo

zenith bolt
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give mel blades +power on attack trollface

bleak night
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I only see Axe and Skull to be the Mel aspects that are worth using as standalones based on bonuses. The Mel Torches are kinda inadvertent in that way since the attacks don't either clutter up like Moros or have Daybreak lol

past salmon
zenith bolt
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4/8/12/16 EM fear that just has absolutely brutal bosses when

bleak night
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soon pls

zenith bolt
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scylla and the sirens but there's an entire orchestra

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hecate with triple triple divide

bleak night
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9 Hecates, and you gotta hit the original one for them to stop

zenith bolt
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cerberus with frinos' evil twin

past salmon
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I hope we get EM

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its kinda goofy that aside from Chronos the bosses are the easiest part of high fear

zenith bolt
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scylla is a nice breather in the middle of actual hell

past salmon
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I actually think Scylla is the hardest out of hecate/cerb/scylla

zenith bolt
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i think it's also partially because of the lovers as well

past salmon
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Or atleast the one ur most likely to take damage on

zenith bolt
zenith bolt
bleak night
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I think Crab takes a bit of damage now even when inside the shell

cursive ruin
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Good screw the crabsshadedisgruntled

plain fossil
bleak night
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I should give it a test run in a bit to see

tired turret
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Are you sure youre not just hitting the backs weak spot?

plain fossil
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If u hit it for actual damage it does a lot more than the little chip yeah

bleak night
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Oh, did you go ahead and test it already ?

tired turret
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the crab can only be hurt when its out, or by hitting the little cone on its back anytime

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or effects that dont require a hit or impact or something

bleak night
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Oh, fair enough

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I like the idea of Scorch still ticking on them as they're in there

past salmon
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How did I not know this
Wtaf

tired turret
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Idk

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I only figured it out because I figured there had to be another weak point due to speedrunners

tall notch
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Wait Scylla has a weak spot on her back???

robust prism
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also the surface might only end up with 3 bosses idk

forest mortar
pine viper
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Also I do like Mel staff with a cast build, its fun, even if not incredibly strong maybe

robust prism
glossy rivet
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eos torch is p strong this patch right?

past salmon
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Yesnt

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Idk tbh
They kinda suck at anything above 40F from what ive played
They felt very strong at low fear tho so 👍

tough pasture
# zenith bolt this is basically how i imagine scythe swipe hitbox https://cdn.discordapp.com/a...

ok, now I'm confused...

I'm watching this haelian speedrun and he's not getting hit by the massive cones of the scythe after dodging behind chronos.

See 19:34-19:37. (In 19:37, he run into the path of the exploding sands which is on him.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuQWdWgE5d8

YouTube
Haelian
ASPECT OF MOMUS SPEEDRUN WORLD RECORD! | Hades 2 Any Fear% Unseeded...

Obviously this could be WAY faster and there is a lot of experimentation to still be done with this aspect. It is WR for the aspect at the time of posting this but I have no doubt someone's gonna bop me soon.

Hades 2 Leaderboards: https://www.speedrun.com/hades2

Hades 2 Early Access playlist! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwT...

▶ Play video
steel sequoia
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@tough pasture there is a "timer" on the ground scythes

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its the scythe dmg plus the ground damage if you take both

tough pasture
steel sequoia
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yeah, when chrono scythes there is a stamp in the ground

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if you stick there u get hit by it

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the safe zone is you dodging the pattern staying close to him or going away

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if you dodge in the time correctly he makes a circle around him for some seconds, you get hit by the stamps and by the scythes in your face if you dont dodge.

tough pasture
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hmm...

"stamp on the ground" I must be missing something.

I get what you're saying but the lack of visual cues is a problem for me...

past salmon
tough pasture
past salmon
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Hello there "purs in your ear"
I thought we could go and get, pizza together tonight "giggles mischieviously"

tough pasture
steel sequoia
tough pasture
bleak night
past salmon
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Go away mynt

spare kite
tall notch
tough pasture
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Randomly want to say that the moonstone axe special shield block ability is GOATED for completely negating the frisbee attack by chronos.

"COME GET SOME OLD MAN!"

upper shoal
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guys, anyone else just not finding Chaos legendary boon? I'm on my 150th run and... nothing yet. is there a hidden pre requisite. it's my last minor prophecy

spare kite
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Chaos's favor boon and yarn of ariadne should in theory increase the chances for their legendary

upper shoal
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thanks. been running around with their keepsake but still no luck. oh well, guess chronos is gonna have to get stomped some more

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nice tech with the ariadne yarn, gonna try with that after the first chaos gate

spare kite
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I say in theory cuz idk how their legendary is coded here bouldy

upper shoal
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yeah, i though it was a league of it's own, not included in the rarety category since it doesn't improve the stats of an existing boon. but it's worth a shot, sure!

spare kite
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No I mean yarn and favor do in general increase legendary odds (+10%)
But chaos legendary in H1 was coded differently and thus it wasn't affected by any rarity buff

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Ideally is not like this here too bouldy

upper shoal
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ow, didn't know that, cool. still gonna give it a try with ariadne for a few dozen runs to see if it helps

spare kite
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Other than that remember to use your rolls for spark of ixion too

upper shoal
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is this the Charon item to open the gate to chaos? if so, that's where i've been using the rolls, yeah

white vessel
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for the 3 op spear hammers? which is most important, +30 power?

steel sequoia
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axe blocking is mvp

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need to be sharp on 40% tho

civic ocean
iron ember
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any ideas for a sister blades build? taking on fear 24, and im getting my ass kicked out here with demeter artemis blades

steel sequoia
iron ember
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I haven't! So, is that just poseidon special w/ pan?

steel sequoia
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yes, born gain and some atk speed

iron ember
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Maybe some slip?

steel sequoia
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try that, is really strong

iron ember
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ah

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so what should i use for attack boon

steel sequoia
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no need for atk boon

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you will murder everything with special only

iron ember
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real

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which cast?

robust prism
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demeter or aphro are good

steel sequoia
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demeter is the best cause you freeze stuff, but then is not easy to grab pos special, born gain and dem cast

iron ember
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real

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thx

robust prism
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you can consider hera cast so you can take more time with charging and aiming your omega special but it's less flexible so takes some getting used to

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also would need another curse applier

bleak night
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Going for the blue and green rooms makes it so the timer in Ephyra isn't as bad

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Yellow ofc is a free room, if Medea does show up

cyan rock
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awesome thank you so much!

bleak night
spare kite
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is it me or wolf howl's crit doesn't work with the axe omega special

steel sequoia
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i need to learn to use Bridal Glow more often, i rarely get it

spare kite
stuck leaf
spare kite
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yeah

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was doing like 1.5k late p2

stuck leaf
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Oh wow I should try that

steel sequoia
spare kite
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6 casts detonations

spare kite
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the stupid special consumes it even if it doesn't hit anything

dim kestrel
# iron ember which cast?

it case it's not clear, the idea is to make sure you have Origination and Furies turned on and prioritize applying 2 statuses for origination, since that way you get a damage boost to your poseidon splashes. Furies is free extra damage since you're mostly hitting things in your cast circle anyway

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Poseidon special itself doesn't apply a status, but there's the boon that causes splash to apply Slip as well, so if you get that you only need one other. But in either case you ideally want a cast that applies a status, hence Demeter or Aphrodite. Demeter can also give you a boon that applies a cyclone to your cast even if it's not her cast, so that's a nice way to get a second status in, with the other coming either from the cast itself (Dem or Aphro) or from Slip. If you go Hera cast, Slip becomes a higher priority. Can also get Hera, Demeter or Aphro dash for a status in a pinch (though in Dem's case it's the same one as Gale Force, so can't rely on only those two)

bleak night
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I've kinda stopped enjoying Solar Ring on it now

dim kestrel
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Probably my ideal Pan build is:

  • Hera gain
  • Poseidon special
  • Demeter cast
  • Demeter Gale Force
  • Zeus Lightning Lance
  • Poseidon Slip boon
  • Zeus Chain Lightning (once you've raised your mana max sufficiently)
  • Zeus Sprint
bleak night
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does Static work on all the knives ?

dim kestrel
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I think so?

bleak night
spare kite
bleak night
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oh, interesting

dim kestrel
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someone should confirm I guess, but I've been operating under the assumption that it's triggering multiple times.... though could be if you're hitting the same target multiple times in too short a time span there's a refractory period or something

spare kite
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Wouldn't surprise me if it had an icd

cyan rock
# dim kestrel Probably my ideal Pan build is: * Hera gain * Poseidon special * Demeter cast * ...

interesting.
i usually take hestia as 4th instead

  • hera gain (same)
  • poseidon special (same)
  • poseidon slip (same)
  • demeter case whirwind augment (not the primary cast boon)
  • hestia cast (combine with demeter means that just my cast alone applies origination)
  • hestia boon that alows ranged casting (for convinience)
  • late game look to pick up STEAM duo because steam + demeter cast augment still adds origination from what i have seen
spare kite
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Is still some aoe ig?
But even in a single target it ends up like 100~ dmg at most no

dim kestrel
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so I prefer that because Arctic is better safety

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plus Lightning Lance > Glowing Coals, though GC is also very nice

spare kite
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Steam isn't that necessary I feel anyways

cyan rock
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oh interesting then why slip in that one?
i go slip as well to allow for DUO late game

cyan rock
dim kestrel
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Slip is basically a global damage boost, gives you a hedge in case you don't get Gale Force, and is one of the qualifiers for Poseidon Legendary

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(also worth taking Crashing Wave if it comes up, since that's the third qualifier)

cyan rock
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oh gotcha i never went for legendary but yah i could def see it as a good alternative late game out

dim kestrel
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I've only gotten it maybe twice, but it melts Chronos when you do

cyan rock
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ill have to give that a try. i didnt know the demeter trick. i always assumed it was the same status

dim kestrel
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yeah, the cast itself is like a stun, whereas the cyclone (sprint and Gale Force) is the old Chill effect from Hades 1 essentially

cyan rock
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u know now that i think of it i wonder if that is intentional or a bug.
like are they the same icon because they are meant to be the same status but because they do dif things the code treats it as 2?
or is it meant to be 2 dif statuses and they just havent made a dif icon for it?

dim kestrel
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they're different icons

hollow crypt
cyan rock
dim kestrel
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iirc the freeze one looks like a snowflake and the chill one looks like a ribbon of ice

civic ocean
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Freeze looks like a stalactite and chill looks like a snowflake

dim kestrel
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oh, sorry, other way around from what I said then

cyan rock
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oh are they both in that blue square box?

civic ocean
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One looks like a white bg the other is blue

dim kestrel
#

as afaik this stacks multiplicatively, so a second +30% would multiply again by 1.43

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which, note, sounds superlinear, but is actually worse than a single +60% would be

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though of course still really good

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(it is superlinear, it's just that the base +speed scale is really superlinear)

bright elbow
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Any recommendations for oaths to clear 16 and 32 nightmare conditions?

dim kestrel
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what weapon?

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weapon choice is going to depend a lot on personal preference/comfort I think

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but once you've narrowed down to weapon options that you're skilled with, there are certain fear combinations that will be easier

civic ocean
# bright elbow Any recommendations for oaths to clear 16 and 32 nightmare conditions?

https://youtu.be/6ED8tjaxFRs?si=1xIjwuu6tWRsRiOl I made a video on fear its a little scuffed but it explains what each vow does and how to work around them

YouTube
East_25
Scuffed one-take guide to Hades II's Fear system

In this edition of scuffed one-take guides, I take a look at Fear, what to keep an eye on with each Vow from the Oath of the Unseen. Though nothing may be as fearsome as the scuff in this video...

twitch.tv/east_25

▶ Play video
hollow crypt
dim kestrel
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yep, should be

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with my Than axe runs so far I've mostly just leaned into the attack speed and ignored the crits for the most part. Attack speed is just really good

bright elbow
dim kestrel
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will still occasionally whirl if there's a group of small armored enemies or something, but it's a good aspect for just Unga Bunga attacking, imo

cyan rock
steel sequoia
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18m video is discouraging tho

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does winter coat prevent suffering? i feel like it does and does not sometimes its weird

spare kite
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Nope

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Need to actually take dmg

steel sequoia
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makes sense

spare kite
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So get clicking that trusty shield

summer seal
steel sequoia
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panic vow is useless for 1 fear jeez

limpid coral
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wave special is the most important part and carries through zone 1 so click that first

white vessel
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whats the most important hammer for spear?

karmic gust
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Wrong game?

white vessel
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forgor the name

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staff? i thinks idk whatever has moros

cyan rock
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i mean moros has a HUGE number of builds that will completely change which hammers you want.

white vessel
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i was told the +30 power, the double hit, and +50% attack speed are all very good

which is most important?

bleak night
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Oh, Staff thrasher builds

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Double Hit probs better, no ?

spare kite
bleak night
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then Wicked. Though tbh it's tough for you to get all 3 in one run

white vessel
cyan rock
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depends on boons but double hit best with posidon which is most common for staf thrasher builds post nerf

white vessel
spare kite
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yeah

white vessel
cyan rock
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if you are doing anything other than possidon then its +30 power hammer is best

bleak night
spare kite
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mirror is double hits then rapid is +50%

white vessel
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cool

limpid coral
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isnt rapid just double attack speed? scaling slightly worse with any other +attack speed

cyan rock
bleak night
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I still find it funny how the best Staff build is just thrasher spam

bleak night
limpid coral
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and the staff base attack is 20 25 30?

cyan rock
bleak night
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Oooh 🤔

timber pawn
cyan rock
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yah def fair. its currently looking like the winner. but its still early and people are only just starting on the omega builds.

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it will just be cool to see where it lands after both are more refined.

bleak night
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Turrets doing the work for you does sound like it'd do good when optimized

cyan rock
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it also could end up being hybrid.
i personally think turets are overkill vs normal enemies most of the time due to low health and overkill + movement
but VS bosses i think you can save lots of time and damage

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so it might be a build that is ok at both that actually wins

ionic moon
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with momus in particular, isn't it still a bit buggy with some boon interactions? apollo legendary for instance

steel sequoia
civic ocean
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The omegas also cost you time to charge

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Like honestly the gap between an 8:03 on omegas and 7:07 without likely does come from the 2 second charge time per omega move

cyan rock
# civic ocean The omegas also cost you time to charge

true! honestly though if they changes the slow down tarot to actually impact game timer i think they would INSTANTLY all be WAY more competative for speedruns.
and some people are asking for that.
we will see if they do it

timber pawn
steel sequoia
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idk, i think the design should focus to boost the enhances of omega better, not both. but i dont think they will touch that tbh

timber pawn
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Tartarus can be like 1m10s or 2 mins

cyan rock
civic ocean
limpid coral
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why do bags and skulls just run to the opposite corner of the room

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sometimes i gotta ping toula just to know where they went

civic ocean
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I'd run from Melinoe too tbf

timber pawn
lethal sinew
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i dont really see why the atk build / omega build have to be super distinct, you should be using omegas on momus even if ur main dps is spamming attack

steel sequoia
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hippos are the worse for me always

lethal sinew
#

momus has a lot of good scaling hammers its quite flexible depending on what u get in the run

civic ocean
steel sequoia
civic ocean
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Even Mel tnf

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I do only basic attack spam because of Panic but for speedruns that makes sense

limpid coral
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why would one click mel staff over circe staff

civic ocean
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Why is channel speed sometimes better than power, you mean?

limpid coral
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Yea

civic ocean
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I know for my 32F runs I don't run Circe because it can turn off huntress but I think also faster cast speed is pretty good with Geyser Ring in my head

limpid coral
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During serenity don't u just like spam charge attack a few times and then huntress is active afterwards

timber pawn
lethal sinew
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i dont rly run huntress i just do rarity setup

timber pawn
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That scaling matters more for omegas because they scale harder right

steel sequoia
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yeah, also they arent spammable like turbo attacks

civic ocean
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I like the rarity setup for low/no speedruns, that sounds cool

iron ember
#

okay, real! just one testament left. 24. What should I go for torchways buildwise?

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thinking poseidon?

robust prism
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what aspect do you want to use

steel sequoia
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aphro prolly the best aspect for torches overall, but depends

iron ember
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i went for poseidon cuz i got rebuke on but if i lose ill go for aphro next

steel sequoia
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mix aphro+apollo if ur using rebuke

iron ember
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so aphro attack, apollo cast?

steel sequoia
#

buti really dont like rebuke for 24 fear

steel sequoia
iron ember
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makes sense

robust prism
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imo aphro isn't great on torches except on the Moros attack

steel sequoia
robust prism
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poseidon on the special is fine but I think Demeter, Zeus or Hera are probably better

robust prism
steel sequoia
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cause you get dmg reduction, curse and u have more aphro bonus, also high %

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zeus is good also

robust prism
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but for aphro attack to work on Eos you would have to be like next to your daybreaker

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I don't think that's how you really want to play

steel sequoia
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thats hwo you play if mobs dont hit you

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just swing dashes around killing stuff

robust prism
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I mean I pretty much no for a fact cause that's what you get on trial of heartache and it sucks

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Apollo, Dem or Hera seem like the best for Eos attack to me

steel sequoia
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for 24 fear is enough imo, i dont like hera for eos too much, tried and was eh... but zeus, dem, apollo and aphro are fairly good

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if you have born gain and arctic ring it doesnt matter much tbh

robust prism
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I feel like Zeus would make way more sense on Eos special than on the attack, I feel like attack needs a percentage based one that isn't Aphro

hollow stag
#

Does it matter to beeline for Origination curses if your weapon benefits a lot from Zeus Specials (180 Blitz Damage on Epic)?

digital hazel
#

i know that judgement sucks, but whats the best judgment build for finishing the win with all arcana prophecy?

spare kite
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I just run full rerolls along with judgement, also depending on how many cards you are missing you may left still w/o completing the prophecy

merry flint
digital hazel
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atm im finishing all the other cards with normal runs first, esp since my judgment is unupgraded

merry flint
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just run DDs, Origination and 1 card you really like

spare kite
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oh yeah I forgot that you kinda need judgement itself for the prophecy lmfao

merry flint
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ngl i just upgraded Judgement, did a Judgement run, and then did 1 more run with the cards that Judgement didn't pick for the prophecy as my prophecy runs

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so 2 runs, but a lot of work upgrading Judgement to its max

spare kite
#

same but unupgraded judgement (or lvl 2?)

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also didn't have night nor death unlocked at the time lmao

ashen perch
#

does anyone have a small clip on aspect of medea combo? I feel like the dmg is great but I also take a lot of dmg during specials gilmanangst

merry flint
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if you're just starting out with medea special, why not go for omega special spam

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the omega special is fully invincible and pretty strong

ashen perch
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with the time limit fear/vow it seems like casting omega makes it a time crunch :( let me try the omega special

merry flint
timber pawn
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It is definitely meant to be played with the normal special, and not the omega special

#

One sec

merry flint
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as with any melee range weapon, just run demeter

timber pawn
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But the main thing is how you approach enemies. It forces you to learn their attack patterns. And ideally you approach from the side or back and not head on

steel sequoia
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as a player with 170hs i just have difficult with poly and chronos at this point tbh

magic moss
tall notch
civic ocean
hollow stag
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Does Aphrodite’s Secret Crush (+9 Power to Attack) apply to Moros Omega Attack explosions?

timber pawn
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No just the basic attack

hollow stag
civic ocean
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Did you try it

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seems like something you should test

timber pawn
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The normal explosions from the basic attack would as well so I don't think there's a way to parse between what was omega explosion vs normal explosion damage

civic ocean
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We know they work with huntress right

timber pawn
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That said, I don't have proof, just relying on the expected logic, which isn't a good idea haha

nova cairn
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i have no idea what i'm doing with torches anymore, can't get new eos to work, idk if mel aspect is good and I don't have the other leveled 😭

steel sequoia
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moros is prolly the best now

crisp moth
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Prolly

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For torches at least

steel sequoia
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mel is feeling weird for me. the eos is fine you need to play aphro/demeter and dodge stuff and spamm attack

strange python
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moros is the best for torches bc of the extra damage too

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and the delayed damage/planning is nice. you can take out a whole room if you do it right

crisp moth
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What’s a good moros build?

steel sequoia
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i never played moros, ill give it a shot today

strange python
# crisp moth What’s a good moros build?

poseidon, hestia, or apollo are the gods i'd use for moros if you can find them. zeus seems like a good option as well

hitch might be good too or if you can have the cast that applies weak, and then stack the flames with a poseidon or hestia attack

robust prism
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as for hammers, clean candle might be the best but almost anything is decent except for origin coil (also inverted spark is weird, I'd avoid those two)

whole meteor
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Is anyone else having issues getting Zeus, Poseidon, and Demeter's Legendary boons? I have built my runs around them and they still haven't cooperated

crisp moth
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Buddy

whole meteor
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Like, I have the insight, I know what boons I need to have to get to them, but they are not playing nice

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they're like the last three boons i have to get to finish out my fated list

crisp moth
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I’m on 97 nights and not a single legendary has shown its face

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I have 11 darkness at this point

whole meteor
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i am so so sorry lol. I'm on like. 197 nights

crisp moth
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It’s ok I’ll probably get a legendary in Oceanus soon with my luck

whole meteor
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On multiple runs I've collected all the prerequisite boons and then by the time I reach Tartarus the god in question is nowhere to be found (and I've usually used up my rerolls at that poitn)

split igloo
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Has anyone noticed a new thing where special omega on the torches is being buggy?

iron ember
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how do i do that flames of eos chaos trial? like i just intuitively do not understand flames of eos

tired fulcrum
iron ember
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So real

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Thank you

gritty heath
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Is taking a trial of the gods in erebus basically always wrong? I think I've ran out of time on hecate every time I've gone for it on a 5 min timer

timber pawn
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Rough on a 5 min timer

silent crow
gritty heath
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I've been playing mostly staff

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how exactly does rerolling rooms work? I know u cant reroll ashes and psyche into good stuff, but a lot of times when I reroll boon rooms, it turns into magicka or something, instead of a diff god. does that mean I can reroll magic/hearts/poms into gods?

silent crow
past salmon
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boons/selene/magick/poms/health etc all are classified as major finds and can reroll into each other

silent crow
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but its not worth it most of the time

gritty heath
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yea im thinking about situations where like

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u get selene or hammer first room and need ur 1st boon asap to beat the timer

past salmon
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it becomes worth it at high fear when its the quickest way to offset onion
But generally its better to save ur rerolls

gritty heath
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im not quite at high fear yet

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doing 38 atm

silent crow
gritty heath
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well i mean like, literal first room

silent crow
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oh

past salmon
gritty heath
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although my impression is that if ur spending a bunch of rerolls to save a run due to selene room 1, it's probably over anyway

past salmon
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Selene room1 is super doable before like 45 tbf

gritty heath
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the erebus timer seems incredibly restrictive for that

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like I'm barely beating it with a good room 1, going 3-4 rooms without a boon on manaless staff is uhh, not fast

past salmon
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I've had a 50F attempt get past Erebus before so I think it's a bit silly to say you can't do it like 10+ fear lower

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With Selene start ^

tired fulcrum
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Trials either take 10 seconds or like a minute bouldy

past salmon
tired fulcrum
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When they spawn low value enemies one by one residentzag

gritty heath
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How do you go about figuring out places to make a run faster?

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I'm getting to Hecate with only a minute left and I'm not sure how to make it there sooner

arctic glacier
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Does Demeters Coarse Grit work on the Chronos insta kill?

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so you'd only take 15 damage

spare kite
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The only thing it doesn't work with is the doomed chaos curse

arctic glacier
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big

spare kite
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So you can even block moros pin lmfao

arctic glacier
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WHAT LOL

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that's busted...good to know 🙂

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I'll just do my 800+ HP build, but with Coarse Grit and Moros Pin :))

spare kite
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Yeah I don't expect these stuff to surviva in the boons patch lmfao

past salmon
gritty heath
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wouldnt skipping miniboss make a region faster?

past salmon
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Minibosses are usually faster than regular encounters

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unless ur damage is like F tier

gritty heath
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ah

tired fulcrum
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Especially if you have stuff like commotion and wandering

gritty heath
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well I haven't been skipping shops or minibosses so far

modern yacht
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Does torrential downpour proc with charon?

tired fulcrum
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Yep

modern yacht
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Nice

steel sequoia
wind kettle
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what do y'all use to post pictures here

tired fulcrum
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Links

steel sequoia
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imgur, postimg with links or personal server

uneven palm
timber pawn
steel sequoia
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i hate when i want to reroll for hammers

iron ember
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i just turned off the vows to try and beat chronos again after i finished all the testaments and became night's champion. and this game is so easy its kind of suprising now? you know in the original dragon ball when goku and krillin took off their turtle hermit shell weights and they moved super quick

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that is how i feel, except i am also a god that can cut through everything like butter??? idk maybe that's the aphro attack talking

spare kite
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turning off fury 2 is an experience

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in H1 after I did my fresh file I turned fo2 back on and the butterfly balls were bullying me

iron ember
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yeah i kinda miss the fury and the ticking clock

heady storm
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Quick question: Does anyone know if the damage boost from the Evil Eye keepsake (damage boost against the last enemy that defeated you) is a multiplicative percentage bonus or an additive one?

spare kite
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should be additive as any other non crit/power dmg boost

heady storm
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Alright thanks, good to know. On that note is it known if the Knuckle Bones damage reduction is multiplicative or additive (particularly with the Strength arcana)?

civic ocean
wind kettle
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im trying to find the optimal melinoe axe build, so far ran with aphro and double dash strike hammer

spare kite
heady storm
# civic ocean Additive

Thanks again. That seems quite powerful, especially if combined with other damage reduction boons and/or hammers

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50% from Strength arcana, -10% from the Heph boon, -20% from the axe hammer, -15% from Knuckles… there’s gotta be a hard cap I’d assume

magic moss
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but that is just my assumption, i cant think of anything that might be stronger

spare kite
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if they changed DR to additive from H1 that'd be funny

wind kettle
timber pawn
magic moss
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i mean yeah but im factoring in consistency and how easy it is to hit as well when i consider "strongest build"

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sure you could just reset runs infinitely for a hammer start that has double dash but like thats kinda eh

wind kettle
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I'll try out hitch next

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37 fear

magic moss
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in terms of pure damage output i do agree that triple earth falls short to any good hammer + aphro combo

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but in terms of build consistency and safety, triple earth imo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

quartz plaza
spare kite
modern yacht
steel sequoia
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clean candle is insane

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also i luv charon its the best aspect

quartz plaza
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I should try Charon

steel sequoia
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i like charon, eos, persephone, pan in this order MelGrin

sage compass
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I've been trying to play charon axe but I do so poorly with it each time. Is there a specific thing I should try to prioritise when I play it?

plain fossil
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Buildwise the two problems you need to solve on ur run are mana and not dying while you load up a cleave cast

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Damage is pre-solved by arcana cards before you even load up the run

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So pick gods, boons, hammers that solve ur mana problems and help u defensively

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Mana most ppl can figure out on their own, defenses include things like sudden cleaver, freeze, trusty shield etc

magic moss
# sage compass I've been trying to play charon axe but I do so poorly with it each time. Is the...

you have to treat charon like you're playing a ranged weapon, so with the axe you want to play like an in and out style. Dash in, cast, dash out with an omega special charging for example. Right now, probably the best build for the axe is triple Earth with Hera Demeter Heph, but lets break down why its so good for Charon

Hera - Born Gain is a no brainer, you get so much effective mana and with Charon's high base damage on omega special you can typically clear rooms and guardians without running out of mana, even with a common no pomed born gain and arrogance. Hera's special is also great since the hitch chains enemies who havent died to the first special and makes them easier to clean up with normal attacks or another special. It is also an insane Siren's clear because every siren, assuming they are grouped, gets hit with the aoe of omega special, omega cast, and 60% bonus from hitch, essentially dealing 1.5x damage.

Demeter - The cast is incredible for Charon since it freezes everyone within the radius, giving you extra safety when placing a cast down for an omega special. This along with Hera's special can either one shot an enemy, or if they live apply origination for additional damage for future strikes. Also has incredible supportive boons that make you safer when cycling between cast and omega specials

Heph - TRUSTY SHIELD BABY, but also martial gives % damage increases, which is incredible on axe due to its high base damage. Like demeter, Heph also gives many good supportive boons.

Alternatives
Apollo - Special is great since it increases the AOE of the omega special and has high base damage. Solar Ring also gives a good damage bonus to your omega cast, and can let you build into glorious disaster. Downsides and why I think triple Earth is better is that its harder to get origination value, and Solar Ring makes you unable to place another cast down until it completes, making it less smooth and on demand

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Any ranged casts like Hestia or Zeus are also great for Charon, so if you do decide for Glorious disaster than Zeus's ranged cast gives you an incredible level of safety for your combo since you no longer need to approach and Hestia's gain is probably the best alternative to Born Gain

steel sequoia
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dear lord you typed a lot

sage compass
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daymn, thanks dude

magic moss
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i like to break down why builds are good so i have a better understanding of the game, and since they asked for specific things to prioritize i just gave them a full summary of why triple earth is so broken

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anyway boon priority if you do decide to go triple earth on charon imo
Born Gain > Hera Special > Demeter Cast (any of the 2 works)

past salmon
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Tldr, if you want to know a good build for an aspect/weapon. Triple earth is just probs insane no matter what cuz triple earth go brrrr

magic moss
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if you cant find a special boon, then look for spiteful strength, the hera heph duo, since it increases your special dmg by 200% without a boon. The only issue is the lack of origination, but you can make it up by finding like hera attack or any other source

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you can go aphro cast with demeter cyclone cast or apollo's daze on sprint, easiest alternatives

steel sequoia
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i mean born gain is the to go for any build, than you can pick dem/zeus/aphro cast and anything else you wanna try, if it has earth than its good zaglol kinda works like this

magic moss
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ive already explained why apollo is good, but aphro you can also get heartthrobs and since omega special is 30 you get a heartthrob per cast so its kinda crazy

dim kestrel
# summer seal Think I'm gonna give this a shot, need to clear the 24 fear for the Sister Blade...

For Arcana I'd probably do something like

Sorceress (1) |              |             |              | Messenger (0)
Furies    (2) | Titan    (2) |             |              | Lovers (2)
Runner    (1) | Eternity (4) | Centaur (0) |              | 
Fates     (3) | Boatman  (5) | Origin. (3) |              | 
Seer      (0) | Champs   (4) |             |              |

which leaves 3 grasp... could put it in Death I guess, though I don't think that's hugely consequential. Moon is probably not needed since you likely won't be Omega casting much, though could be worth consideration for early game before your build gets up and running

For Fear, maybe something like:

Blood 2 (3F)
Dominance 3 (3F)
Rebuke 2 (2F)
Fury 1 (3F)
Wandering 2 (3F)
Scars 1 (1F)
Destitution 2 (2F)
Forsaking (2F)
Arrogance 2 (4F)
Desperation 1 (1F)

where you could go up to Desperation 2 if you're comfortable with 7:00 Erebus, in order to remove Blood, say

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for keepsakes it's rarely a bad idea to start Hera to lock in Born Gain, since having your mana set will make a bigger difference early on than more damage, but I'd spend a couple dice trying to reroll the first boon door to get Poseidon, since that's the lynchpin of your offense

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after that, take any Zeus/Demeter boon door / shop boon you see to lock them into your god pool, but I don't think the specific order of boons after the first two is super critical

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ideally you leave Erebus with common Poseidon special and no other commons, and make it Heroic with the Vial going into Oceanus

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and of course you're hoping to get Spiral Knives, but failing that another Omega Special hammer

magic moss
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For arcana, huntress is the best 3 cost option you have so take that,

I disagree heavily on the fear options. I would go Dominance 2, Fury 2, Suffering 1, Wandering 2, Scars 2, Forsaking 1, Arrogance 2, Desperation 1.

Good alternatives if you think you dont need it is to drop Dominance entirely or suffering for scars 3

dim kestrel
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if you're already comfortable with Fury 2 then yeah, it's good value. If not though it's pretty jarring

plain fossil
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Death is a little better than huntress on pan which is basically a blank

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It can help a bit with tight timers on erebus but 9 min in that setup is something anyone can do with no pressure

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So just take death card its 10% multiplicative damage which is not good but at least acceptable

dim kestrel
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whether to go blue hearts or not is of course controversial -- Daggers can swallow it much more easily than any other weapon, but you certainly still feel it

plain fossil
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I click blue hearts at 24 on pan

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Dont love blood for pan over fury2 imo

dim kestrel
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Fury 2 vs Blood 2 seems like a matter of reflex balance point. If things are moving faster than you're used to you can easily wind up taking enough extra hits that it's more damage than just increasing enemy damage by 1/3

plain fossil
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That said, blood is less dangerous for pan than nearly any other aspect so its defensible choice at least

dim kestrel
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but it's certainly worth aiming for Fury 2 at some point

plain fossil
dim kestrel
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sorry, 1/3 more than Blood 1

plain fossil
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The tiers of blood are 20 60 100

dim kestrel
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60% more than Blood 0

plain fossil
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Yea sure but thats not the comparison right since fury1-2 is 3 fear just like blood0-2

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So ur comparing against blood0

dim kestrel
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yeah, fair

plain fossil
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Dont get me wrong i like blood on pan i take it for 32 i just think theres easier fear at 24

dim kestrel
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I would certainly take Blood before I would take Scars 3 in any case

plain fossil
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I agree i dont think either is necessary at 24 on a build thats allowed to click blue shields tho

dim kestrel
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I also would max Dominance before I'd take Scars 2 or Suffering 1, particularly at only 9:00 timer

fervent narwhal
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recently started trying out melanoe axe instead of thanatos and then i use frinios and just stack hp, did 32 fear on both areas and had very bad rng and boons but still won at my first try, been looking at my arcana cards some more and have something like this at the moment but what should i do differently? have swapped sorceress for swift runner and number 4 for number 16.. have 30 grasp and i feel like including strenght is a must since you have so high hp and it scales of % https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249078453949567161/1250954108710686820/image.png?ex=666cd14d&is=666b7fcd&hm=44a4e5af1ba20ba5759eabd064646f03d7d073aa35e94711cb85adc13436fda8&

dim kestrel
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I think with almost every weapon I'd run a core of:

Sorceress (1) |              |             |              | Messenger (0)
              | Titan    (2) |             |              | Lovers (2)
Runner    (1) | Eternity (4) | Centaur (0) |              | 
Fates     (3) | Boatman  (5) |             |              | 
Seer      (0) | Champs   (4) |             |              |

with the remaining 8 selecting from Furies, Origination, Moon, Huntress

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if you're completely manaless you can skip Sorceress and maybe get Wayward Son instead

plain fossil
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I cant really imagine dropping furies except on meme builds that dont benefit from it

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I agree with the other comments i dont click strength unless its a white antler run

fervent narwhal
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ye im pretty much using the same stuff, i havent unequipped furies since release almost

dim kestrel
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yeah I can't actually think of a build that wouldn't want Furies, now that Momus is revised, tbh

plain fossil
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The problem with strength is it costs 300 gold and 4 rerolls thats really expensive

fervent narwhal
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@plain fossil i could not use strength when running melinoe axe and stacking hp but since it scales of % 30% of lets say 300-400hp is pretty high

plain fossil
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Uh i mean its the same relative benefit regardless

dim kestrel
plain fossil
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Sure u get 100 hp of "being in strength" rather than 30 but relative to ur total hp bar its the same

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The only difference is its mildly easier to manipulate ur hp bar to stay in strength zone if its higher

dim kestrel
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safer too

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you have a bigger margin of error and are less likely to go down in 1-2 hits if your base is higher

plain fossil
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I mean having 300 hp is just generally safer than 100 hp strength doesnt change that

dim kestrel
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aiming to be in the Strength zone is safer relative to not doing that when you're at 300 hp vs when you're at 100 hp, I think

fervent narwhal
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so should i not use it? might fit in something better, i really liked my other setup i had before i tried to change it up for melinoe axe runs

plain fossil
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I personally dont like strength but ur allowed to click it over boatman if u like it

fervent narwhal
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im not gonna try to be in it, it was more of a once i actually get into it after facetanking chronos or eris

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boatman is nice tho

plain fossil
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Clicking death card over rerolls is not something i would ever do regardless tho

dim kestrel
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Boatman is especially nice if it also gets you Seer, but you'd need to add Fates too for that

plain fossil
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Not being able to reroll location rewards is kinda 💀

forest hinge
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I wish Centaur only increased your max Health instead of increas your max plus healing you, cause then Strength would be more consistent to use w/Death Defiance

magic moss
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i love going antlers so i prefer strength over boatman

dim kestrel
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if you're going antlers, wouldn't Than axe be better since you can't use the extra HP from Mel anyway?

fervent narwhal
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ill send my main setup soon just gotta kill chronos

dim kestrel
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since unlike Strength, antlers is not % based but an absolute threshold

magic moss
dim kestrel
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oh, sorry, read your post as coming from Noobe

magic moss
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IM 1 GOLD OFF OF A DD FROM WELL ARE YOU KIDDING ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dim kestrel
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my kid commented the other day when that happened that Charon really needs a "take a penny leave a penny" jar

forest hinge
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is there a better way to farm for Chaos' Defiance boon other than dying over and over again after rerolling?

fervent narwhal
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i just killed him, used skulls but forgot to unequip strenght and once i got under that treshhold his attack did so much less damage and i melted him, felt satisfying

spare kite
forest hinge
spare kite
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I mean, I just save it for fields but if the focus is the legendary that works

forest hinge
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all im missing is the legendary

spare kite
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1 extra gate that has chances at the legendary

forest hinge
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1 extra gate?

spare kite
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Well yeah cuz you need a chaos boon as a pre req
So the first chaos gate can't give you the legendary without embryo

fervent narwhal
forest hinge
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i havent been equipping Death, do i need to?

limpid coral
spare kite
forest hinge
spare kite
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Same as hermes yeah

limpid coral
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yea you can go to 4 plus toula

forest hinge
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mmmmm ok

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do Death has no bearing on the pool of chaos boons

limpid coral
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but damn white antler and strength just clear through the early zones so quickly

forest hinge
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and neither does actually dying?

limpid coral
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death doesnt do anything special its just a card

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when people do antler/strength stuff I assume the healing card is turned off? or is it still good for some breathing room cause you can usually damage down without a problem

forest hinge
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in my experience Centaur also causes me issues by increasing max hp

limpid coral
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if you don't have enemy damage curses then its pretty easy to take a hit here and there every couple rooms

forest hinge
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also, do people normal take rerolls on their runs? I haven't really been taking rolls

forest hinge
limpid coral
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10 rolls is nice if u want to just force things

fair geyser
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I don't usually, unless I just have leftover grasp for whatever reason