h2-builds-and-combat

[stray knot]

didn't feel extra lucky

[tulip barn]

Hmm

[silent crow]

man blitz sucks

[tulip barn]

I guess if you overcap the 300, there might be overflow scorch still on the enemy

but idk how that works

[tired fulcrum]

If you overcap it eats all the scorch

[tulip barn]

I thought so

[past salmon]

Man what is with the blitz slander rn

[tulip barn]

So how does the explosion damage count for origination Does it just do the damage before the scorch is purged?

I'm not slandering blitz, I like blitz

[past salmon]

Not you

[tulip barn]

Just curious how Fire Extinguisher works

[silent crow]

i also like blitz but i also hate it

[tulip barn]

oh, haha, sorry

[past salmon]

Blitz on special for moros goes crazzzyyyyy

[tulip barn]

It's good on a lot of stuff that hits hard

and I got my funniest pre patch build from it

[tired fulcrum]

Like blitz clears before the damage procs while fire extinguisher damages immediately

[silent crow]

i just have an unreasonable hatred

[tulip barn]

Well dang, that's interesting

[oblique ruin]

wait dash deals casts ya. so all dash upgrades is good?

[tulip barn]

what?

[past salmon]

What?

[oblique ruin]

sorry playing and distracted lol

okay so like flick knives yeah?

so hitting dash is free cast, so getting all the cast upgrades applies? is this a good strat?

[past salmon]

Doesnt flick knives throw your special when you dash strike

[oblique ruin]

yeah that one

[past salmon]

So yeah getting special boons is good I assume you mean this and not cast

[oblique ruin]

bro yeah why do I keep mixing cast and special

so far i think i like ohm attack with dual blades more idk

[ionic moon]

flick is fun on mel blades, pretty incompatible with what pan and artemis want to do though

[oblique ruin]

yeahhh right now those are my fav weapons tho

[tulip barn]

I think my favorite aspects right now are Momus, Mel on Ygnium, Charon, and I kinda like all of Revaal equally

Charon is so much fun. There's a lot of interesting ways to build it out. I love taking local climate with it

[past salmon]

Skulls simply stay winning

[oblique ruin]

skulls? i might be a bit behind

[tulip barn]

It's the last one you can unlock

[past salmon]

Skulls is the last weapon you can unlock atm

[oblique ruin]

dude i will always and forever first prio chaos.

[tulip barn]

It's usually correct

[oblique ruin]

its just so fun. like id rather lose a run from it

[knotty cobalt]

Can someone briefly explain to me the play style for revaal?

[tulip barn]

There's a reason you can buy them into your run

[past salmon]

1 sec

All 3 Skull aspects in my opinion are very good and useable atm!
I have 45F on Medea (50F now woo) 48F on Melinoe Skulls and 40F on Persephone. (45F Persephone is easily doable I just havent gotten around to it, will eventually do 48 medea when I feel like it)

Melinoe skulls are probably the better overall
Hera attack absolutely goes on this one, although I recently had a run where I ended up with apollo and the room clear with it is very good!
Mel skulls can play very very safe or super agro, on bosses I reccomend you learn to play super close to the boss because this is how Mel skulls does damage on par with Medea. Demeter is super valuable on all of the skull weapons for cast support since skulls are inherently quite dangerous to play, medea for obvious reasons and the others to collect skulls (although persephone is actually omega safe but Ill get to that later)
Hammers you want for Melinoe skulls are Bolstered Array or Possessed Array primarily but Looming Ignitionis very good too! Fetching array is useable but I wouldnt take it unless I already have bolstered. 1/2

[tulip barn]

Revaal is mainly shoot your attack at stuff like a grenade launcher, then use your special to punch stuff and pick them back up

[past salmon]

Medea is my personal favourite Skull aspect
I reccomend Hera attack and zeus on special, the gameplan is simple, kill everything. This weapon is designed to be played FAST. Demeter is even better support for this one, getting freeze on your cast makes this aspect WAY safer to use I highly reccomend.
Best Hammers for Medea are possessed array and Collosus Tackle
bolstered array is good aswell. Looming ignition and the other special hammers are okay
If you are playing medea, put the vow of panic on along with the huntress arcana for free damage since you wont be using your omegas

Persephone is newly buffed and is SUPER duper fun now
Best build I have found is Zeus on Cast and Hera on Special, if you get lightning lance along with Zeus cast you can play the game without ever being in any danger. You will probably need a gain boon of some kind with this one. Make sure to put on the moon Arcana! It makes it WAY better.
General strategy is to cast enemies until glory fills up and then clear the room with omega special. If you get multiple hera boons such as hereditary bane and dying wish you will find yourself clearing rooms with one omega special.
Best Hammer for Persephone is twisting crash although the other special hammers in Mega Driver and Collosus are good too.

Sorry for wall of text
2/2

[tulip barn]

but the aspects are all pretty different. Medea plays a lot like Beowulf did in Hades 1, but only vaguely

[oblique ruin]

wait i figured out the dash strike thing. ohm attack then free dash attack in range

[knotty cobalt]

This was very helpful

thank you!

[tulip barn]

no prob! The skulls are pretty chill to play with, they do great damage to get you started on your run even if you don't get boons on stuff, and basically all you want are gods that put percent damage on your buttons

So Apollo, Demeter, Aphro, Hera, are all great options. Zeus isn't bad either. Particularly on Persephone for the glory charge and it is extremely strong on the special for that aspect

Just don't put aphro on your attack unless you're on Medea. It's great on medea

Aphro is fine on the other attacks as well, you just have to play around it

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1248791156129796107/image.png?ex=6664f2e5&is=6663a165&hm=040b0e87ffb940eec7f6f403a418ab6f199fe331e5e64ee54d108aee41691329& when forget to turn off onion

maybe shouldve rerolled some doors

[sour cape]

💀

[hollow stag]

Does Strength XV Arcana Card affect Omega moves?

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1248793532345356431/image.png?ex=6664f51b&is=6663a39b&hm=7ebade5664389f6c367652b53746c7c40cad5b3c3dc75fb72dcb3ad563ec96c1& onion bad

[plain fossil]

Do u just hate boons, is that it

[tired fulcrum]

It was on accident i had onion on for a surface run

[violet temple]

first run on the new persephone felt too easy 💀

+30% omega damage and abusing invincibility on special is stupid good

[tired fulcrum]

Ikr this thing is op

[dusty sapphire]

why hera instead of aphrodite on attack for medea? it seems a large amount of damage to sacrifice

[fervent geyser]

is spiral knives or hook knifes better for pan after the patch?

[tulip barn]

I mean, there are reasons to take things other than just number is bigger

hitch vs no curse

[dusty sapphire]

but number bigger :(

but yeah it does make for easier origination activation tbf

[tulip barn]

yeah, it's interesting how that's valuable on Hera

especially with Hereditary bane

Her percentages aren't bad either

[spare kite]

trashing mobs too good

[analog ether]

Question about the Flames:

If you have Poseidon on your Attack, and your attack naturally pierces through enemies, does it trigger the splash on each individual hit?

[dusty sapphire]

also what do you generally find you want to put on attack with persephone?

[civic ocean]

Scorch baby air fry it up

Get Air Quality and cook em up

[dusty sapphire]

I'm not a very good builder but I've generally been going with aphro attack with pos cast on persephone because it's more spammable, enables the possibility of the heph/pos duo, and the aphro/pos duo

[civic ocean]

Yeah that sounds dope

[dusty sapphire]

although I do think that geyser ring only really reaches its full spammabiity potential with saved breath which you don't necessarily always get

[stoic kettle]

someone should pin this!

[past salmon]

Probs just Hera aswell. Apollo isn't bad. You don't use attack as much on persephone

[past salmon]

Also for this. Hitch is just really good. Hera is the 2nd highest damage increase anyway

[violet temple]

does room rerolling work the same as h1

[civic ocean]

Wdym

[tired fulcrum]

" Onion isnt that bad" also onion : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110523091357747/1248798463702073426/image.png?ex=6664f9b3&is=6663a833&hm=259e98e252d10b8995449d01ba50f2a6dd982a2d1db13acf6afdc0d611bc7355&

[low bear]

Finally done with all aspects 36 fear

Artemis feels so reliant on Explosive Ambush

The difference was night and day for me with and without that hammer

[strange kite]

hammer reliant weapons im gonna become a dagger hater and skull truther

[plain fossil]

man momus has some bug i cant figure out

its the kind of bug mynt would turn into a feature and nohit the whole game with or something i think

if u dash at some specific timing it makes the momus repeats change direction

like the first one goes where u aim then the repeats go where u dashed to

[civic ocean]

Direction or location

[strange kite]

i wonder whats the best 0 boon selene start weapon?

skull or axe?

[plain fossil]

uh im not sure since ive only seen it on attack and special and those dont have location

[civic ocean]

Probably any of them tbh there's a lot of context

[civic ocean]

You mean direction then right not source location

[plain fossil]

i dont think cast will change because the little ball location doesnt change

[violet temple]

pretty sure it's just direction

haven't had that bug happen to cast

[plain fossil]

well atm i cant control it so its just randomly trolling me lul

[silent crow]

just tried to do the fire extinguisher build man this is so underwhelming

[stray knot]

seriously?

I'm so confused about the run i just had....

it was seriously absurd

There must be some kind of busted scaling happening somewhere. What aspect did you run? Did you have all of the damage arcana?

[civic ocean]

Silver Streak?

[civic ocean]

I don't want to be mean but like read fire exringuisher

What about that sounds like a good deal

[dusty sapphire]

fire extinguisher: give up your terrible damage over time to get terrible damage right now

[civic ocean]

You can make the dot good too

[violet temple]

how fast does scorch tick

[civic ocean]

6 ticks a sec

[violet temple]

damn

maybe I do gotta try out air fryer build

[civic ocean]

Its like fine

[stray knot]

it really depends how it works. based on the damage I was seeing, I feel like extinguisher is giving you the value of all queued dot damage immediately, which if the daggers are queueing up a ton of dot time, could be a ton

[civic ocean]

It gives you a % of the total dmg depending on rarity or level

[stray knot]

I don't have a tool tip based explanation, just an observation that scorch attack + arctic ring looked like 50% more DPS than poseidon attack + slip + arctic ring

[civic ocean]

I mean listen if you can apply 300 scorch at a reasonable pace then yes extinguisher is gonna be hella dmg

It's about like your own investment vs output. But also like you can definitely go off with it

[stray knot]

i think the core mechanic of how the fast dagger hits count stored scorch dot damage is the mystery

this was on 32 fear, so barely any boons. i had nothing supplemental in most of the runs.

[civic ocean]

Did you use the special with that 90 on initial hit thing

[stray knot]

no specials at all, just cast and attack

[civic ocean]

Nice nice

[stray knot]

melinoe daggers

i'll see what's in the log when i get home later, kicking myself for not capping the win screen now.

[civic ocean]

You can see it in the archive guy

[low bear]

how do I add an image here

[silent crow]

it is a cool idea on paper

AQ scorch builds are also boring as hell to me

[silent crow]

yeah i had all the things

i feel like if i just put aphrodite and her attack power buff it wouldve been better

[chilly dagger]

can someone summarize all the new weapon changes/

[charred lintel]

#hades2-patch-notes

specifically the nocturnal arms and aspects of nocturnal arms sections

[silent crow]

momus is gone, replaced by turrets
circe is a real aspect now

dagger hammers got nerfed

torches are really good now, moros torches especially, new eos is strange but still decent

axe special blocking can cancel attack windups so you can block things fr now, all axe aspects got changed and arguably massively buffed

skull got nothing lol owned

[chilly dagger]

what is momus

i forget

[tired fulcrum]

Forgor persephone also possessed array buff or something

[silent crow]

oh yeah persephone thats a thing now its cool right

[tired fulcrum]

The funny staff that made your special do quadruple damage and heal on eating omega

[stray knot]

I'll have to try this again and see if I can replicate it.

[dusty sapphire]

yeah possessed array is now one of the best skull hammers

it has no more downside (previously it used to take 20 years for the skulls to drop)

[chilly dagger]

so blades + staff = nerf flames = buff?

[tired fulcrum]

Well they buffed circe staff by a lot

[past salmon]

Skull won so hard wdym.
Persephone is cracked now. Possessed array is a top tier hammer and Oceanus is playable for Medea now

[chilly dagger]

o dang

[tired fulcrum]

Prepatch snek room with medea

[silent crow]

ok skull got a bugfix and a hammer and. that aspect i forgot about ykw sure that hammer hasnt shown up for me i hate this game

[tired fulcrum]

They also buffed the skull omega attack that nobody uses

[past salmon]

The buff somewhat matters because of the possessed buff ig lol

[dusty sapphire]

true but this also buffed possed array

now apollo omega attack is absolutely GINORMOUS on skull

it covers literally half of most screens no joke

[tired fulcrum]

Medea stays winning

[past salmon]

Medea currently holds high fear record and anyfear speedrun record it actually just stays winning

[dusty sapphire]

revaal absolutely STAYS winning

was my favorite from the moment I unlocked it

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248626712560795698/image.png?ex=6665027e&is=6663b0fe&hm=8f91372e7fc36de89be574aaeda41f4d26962d6ec9a90f90732b2789620bb26d&
Skull gang

My clear rate is so abysmal lmao 💀

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1248821034841407569/image.png?ex=66650eb8&is=6663bd38&hm=ec719db554971471f10ea044744e8da8c9c41f679b1d0bb4af205889c8f24535& I believe this is 14 for 18 at 32F+

I think this might be the freest aspect in the game atm

[past salmon]

Yeah Persephone is completely free until 45 imo

Past 45 timer can be super rough for it

[civic ocean]

I am gonna finish out the volume challenge but I think post-patch 32 might be a little too easy for underworld

[past salmon]

Oh? What specifically has made it easier

[civic ocean]

Erebus easier

[plain fossil]

yer i havent done surface post patch but i think the buffs to weapons outweigh 4 god pool in general

[civic ocean]

4 god pool also isn't a straight nerf either, just a nerf to duos/legs

[past salmon]

Hmm idk Erebus was always easy in 32 imo

[civic ocean]

easier

[plain fossil]

its easier for most weapons to beat timer in erebus now

[civic ocean]

Like pre patch if your ass gets selene start into a bricked hammer unless you're the sicknastiest with it you have a hard time

[plain fossil]

a lot of weapons couldnt do 5 consistently and struggled with 7+revs imo although im not the fastest player

[past salmon]

Tbf I think you might just be really good at the game at this point.
Like even pre-patch I never struggled much at all on 32 rlly anything

[civic ocean]

now u just kinda shrug and get through everything

[plain fossil]

it is possible that we're all better after a couple hundred runs as well thats true

[civic ocean]

Yeah idk I do like 50% clear rate atm all weps with meme builds so I'm obviously like good but not great

[past salmon]

Like 32 in Hades 1 was easier than 32 here but they both just become free after you run it enough

[civic ocean]

I don't think anyone's done a 32 all yet tho right like the category doesn't exist

[past salmon]

I'm gonna do it

[civic ocean]

I'm gonna do it by accident at some point

[past salmon]

That's next on my agenda
So look out for it

[tall notch]

All aspects? That wouldn't be a speedrun, it'd be a marathon

[civic ocean]

all weps

[past salmon]

Imo I think staff probs has the hardest 32s

[plain fossil]

fwiw ive felt a noticeable ease in difficulty across weapons post patch

[past salmon]

Oh I'm planning on doing all aspects
I think 32 all weps is pretty easy I nearly got it accidentally the other day while farming bones

[civic ocean]

oh like 5 in a row

I think if I sat down and did the speedrun strat for each wep it would probably be easier yeah

[past salmon]

Wdym? Just all weps in a row yeah
I did Skull Axe Flames in a row but failed 5min timer pan lol
Kind of silly of me

[tall notch]

For this kind of run you might want 7 mins for consistency. Eventually rng will screw you over when doing this many runs

[civic ocean]

I was also thinking of like some sort of category where you do:

-All Weapons 32
-Each core god at least twice
-All Vows at least once

[tall notch]

The third requirement would make me never touch it 😭

[civic ocean]

Part of my goal with my rotating weps is to do a lot of different stuff and not just play trip earths+1 for all 5 weapons

And do like diff builds per weapon, of course some memey stuff too

[jovial river]

What are the strongest/easiest aspects at around 32 heat

[civic ocean]

I think after the volume challenge is over I'll push the meme builds to as high as I can go where the rule is I have to win 3x in a row to increase the Fear by 1

[civic ocean]

I think this really, really depends on what you're trying to do

One of the things I've noticed about this community that I think carries over from Hades 1 is that people really really value high jumping over trying to win every run atm

I think the best aspect to win 32 once might not be the best aspect to win as many 32 runs as possible

[ionic moon]

it's a race between you and SGG for finishing all that before the boon update turns the game on its head

[civic ocean]

I dunno if the boon update will change too too much, like Foolish said part of it is that I am just getting sicknasty with it so my stupid Vow of Panic Poseidon Max HP basic Attack Mel staff build just wins half of the time at 32 Fear atm because I just like play good

But the boon update does change things for like what is the max possible you can get if you high roll? I think? It also affects ppl who want to like just win 32 once and never play it again

[jovial river]

I’m thinking I’d like to beat 32 with a bunch of different aspects, but I was curious which ones were the easiest to start with

[civic ocean]

I think the easiest thing in the game atm is to play Persephone Skull Zeus start

I am 9-0 in my last 9 runs at 32 with that weapon and it feels so safe and so easy and I don't think Air Fryer is even close to the optimal way to play it

[past salmon]

Mel skulls and Persephone skull are both pretty good ones to start trying 32 on. I would stay away from Medea for now

[jovial river]

What do I put Zeus on? I don’t really have much knowledge of builds or meta

[civic ocean]

hang on a sec

[past salmon]

Cast

[strange python]

Zeus is great on the dual blades

[jovial river]

Yeah I much prefer Mel to Medea

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus omega cast charges the special super quickly and is overall a lot of damage

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml look up Air Fryer Persephone

You don't have to do the Hestia scorch stuff though you can just put Aphrodite on the Special and go wild

[limpid coral]

spreadsheets for builds? holy I just click and sometimes cool things happen

[civic ocean]

I like going hestia either way for the extra chance at a ranged cast option

[strange python]

i don't do spreadsheets but having some prior planning is nice to stack funny effects

[limpid coral]

last run I randomly got the air quality scorch thing on a pan run with wave flourish

[jovial river]

Thanks
Btw does it matter if my aspect is only lvl3? I don’t even remember the scaling off the top of my head

[tired fulcrum]

Not really

[strange python]

winning is significantly easier if you plan around what kind of status afflictions and weapon buffs you might get from boons and hammers

[limpid coral]

for the skulls the scaling is just raw damage increases so you're prolly fine

[tired fulcrum]

The bonus only goes up to 30%

[jovial river]

Ok that’s what I thought I remembered

[civic ocean]

Something I am considering for stream is doing things like random Arcana random keepsake random aspect random fear 32s (Vow of Abandon and Vow of Desperation level 3 exempted)

[limpid coral]

random curses monka

ok probably not as bad as random curses in slice and dice

[civic ocean]

But I do like planning to use all of the gods and stuff like that, the only god I don'

t use that often is Poseidon because I think he tends to make things a bit too easy

[strange python]

i feel this way about hestia as well

but sometimes an easy run is what you need

[civic ocean]

I don't value Hestia as high at 32F personally but I could see it, she's really safe

[limpid coral]

Wave flourish is so busted

[strange python]

it's the "here have a dot that doesn't expire as long as i'm touching you" which puts her firmly into easy mode for me.

[limpid coral]

Why hestia is "safe"?

[analog ether]

I wonder how well a Pan Blades variant of Air Fryer would work.

[limpid coral]

I just see ranged cast mana and maybe some max hp

[civic ocean]

She can do a lot of damage while you are taking purely evasive action if you invest into scorch/glowing coal/hearth gain/soot sprint

[past salmon]

Zeus already has a ranged cast option tho tbf

[strange python]

if you invest into scorch, she becomes super op

[civic ocean]

Yeah I just often have to forsake it for AQ/Storm Ring/etc

[strange kite]

post patch?

[past salmon]

Poseidon didn't get touched

[strange kite]

because poseidon exists alone in a vacuum clearly

[civic ocean]

Yeah even post patch, I think there are enough global damage modifiers in the game that the waves are kinda busto, Double up is a little too good, the sprint and gain are v underrated, the status is good, hydraulic is good, etc

[past salmon]

Well funnily enough Poseidon was good on more than just Momus and pan lol

[strange kite]

that’s just for pan right?

[civic ocean]

No, I play poseidon on basic attack mel staff

[strange kite]

cuz poseidon seems rather mid on other stuff

[civic ocean]

and it regularly does 32F, in fact I have to get pretty unlucky to not do it

[strange kite]

oh the attack. but the attack values for poseidon are randomly worse than special by a lot

well i do hope that any reasonable god build can do heat 32 regularly otherwise something is really wrong lul

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248827725972766750/image.png?ex=666514f3&is=6663c373&hm=ad46b59d7d1d21eb2908d6d08fa77064c15c76915f9a8756c517fc916e0f633e&
Also lets go baby 🔥 🔥 🔥

[strange kite]

i think staff attack does work just cuz theres enough ways to increase the attack speed but is it actually better than say aphro/hera? or maybe the aoe potential is better while still being more damage than apollo. idk i wish we had charts

[civic ocean]

Do you think it should be easy for a god build to do 32F while using a build that doesn't interact with the aspect at all?

Like I think you could probably win on Pan Poseidon close to 50+% of the time without ever clicking the Special

[strange kite]

spreadsheet gaming when?

[past salmon]

Should I do attack only persephone 32 for the giggles
Sounds so unfun lmao

[strange kite]

uh 50% isnt what i consider a high winrate so it would be reason for no special pan to win with just attacks

to me that sounds about correct

[past salmon]

at 32?

[zenith bolt]

mel skull but bad

[tired fulcrum]

Mel torch omega attack build sounds fine tho

[past salmon]

that is indeed the point lol

[civic ocean]

surely the omega attack can be quite good

[past salmon]

Boron nearly beat 50F this morning with it

[zenith bolt]

its pretty much old eos without the burst damage so

[civic ocean]

Mel torch omega attack is just correct ATM I think

[strange kite]

yeah i think like if u have a reasonable build something like 75% should be like easily achievable but i know that good players making reasonable (even if not exactly optimal) decisions can get 90%+ without too much effort

[zenith bolt]

mel torch romantic spark

1. because it's funny

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl thats probably kinda true

[civic ocean]

Do you have proof of this or is it speculative

[past salmon]

My favourite torch build still;

[strange kite]

hades 1 people would just winstreak all weapons how can u do that if u have less than 75% winrate?

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh hades 1 heat was easier

[civic ocean]

Are hades 2 people winstreaking through Selene starts?

[strange kite]

i would hope so

[strange python]

only when i get moon water as my hex

[strange kite]

i think if a build cant deal with selene start i consider it bad

[past salmon]

I think it is manageable yeah
I got a run out of erebus with Selene start on 50F I think its a bit silly to say a 32F run is bricked from selene start

[strange kite]

because selene start is part of the game as much as i hate it

[civic ocean]

I mean if you do know of people who are consistently winstreaking at 32 fear let me know because I do want to start tracking this

[past salmon]

im gonna start soon I will let you know how it goes ig

[civic ocean]

AFAIK 9 in a row on skull is the known winstreak record

[strange kite]

and the ability to play through a selene start goes into my evaluation of a gameplan/heat setup/arcana all that stuff

[past salmon]

I think if I exclusively played Mel or Medea I could go basically infinite

[civic ocean]

but only because we don't know

[tired fulcrum]

I mean not like ppl are keeping track yeah

[civic ocean]

I mean I am, personally, because it's important to me

[tired fulcrum]

Also most of the ppl that are gaming are just pushing heat instead of doing stuff they can do easily

[past salmon]

literally me
Have you seen my skull winrate
its so bad lmao

[civic ocean]

If it's too easy we'll just a find a fear where it's not that easy and then do it there

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248829696469368862/image.png?ex=666516c9&is=6663c549&hm=0b421a0d81ebaa0330c75379d84d806fad7642f9b0403f2ee69fcd1e45ba27e9&
Oh god it is still here lmao nearly just started run without even thinking

[civic ocean]

When I first joined this discord nobody would shut up about how hard 32F was compared to Hades 1 and how slow it was and how if you tried to win with Hestia ur just making bad decisions and will lose a lot

[strange kite]

@past salmon do u think mel or medea or perse skull is the best for heat 32?

[past salmon]

Perseph is easiest

If you want to go on a long streak id probably take mel though

[strange kite]

im still learning skull cuz i didnt play it much pre patch. losing track of ammo is pain

[limpid coral]

what does melinoe skull do that persephone skull doesn't?

[strange kite]

my aim is also non existent

[past salmon]

not die to timer when you have awful RNG

[strange kite]

mel skull increases ur attack base damage

[limpid coral]

i usually end up using the charge attack a lot more than the basic attack

[civic ocean]

mel skull can run 5 timer comfortably at 32 Persephone can't

[limpid coral]

ah for zone 1

[strange kite]

maybe once i know how to pickup ammo ill be gaming on mel skull for higher heat

im currently in scrub territory but i believe in skull

[limpid coral]

i hope they add more visible markers for where ammo is cause I constantly forgor

[strange kite]

if we had ammo over our heads that would be nice

[tired fulcrum]

idk i got selene start and got exactly one boon in all of erebus cuz i forgot to turn off onion so my zeus got onioned and it worked

[strange kite]

instead of bottom left ammo count

huh i wonder if that could be modded in

[viral crane]

So, when I get an attack percentage boost, does that apply to my omega attack as well (like with the axe for example)

[spare kite]

I think all attack speed buffs include omega yeah

[strange kite]

wait it does? how?

does it just make the frame data a bit better?

[spare kite]

but idk if axe spin in specific works lol forgot that part

[lost shell]

is there a weapon that is worth testing now, in this new patch? other than morus

[spare kite]

like I'll assume it does something but it basically amounts to nothing like special speed on zeus shield

[civic ocean]

it depends on the text of the buff. If it says "Attack" it only applies to your basic attack. If it says " Attack" then only that. If it says "Attacks" plural, it's both.

[strange kite]

omg i cant read

i thought u said attack speed for some reason damn

[spare kite]

do we even have an specific speed buff, pretty sure they are all plural or strikes

[viral crane]

Well that's derpy, but thanks. Felt like my omega attack wasn't increasing with aphrodite boon

[spare kite]

LMFAO, just realized I did the same

[viral crane]

Wait. Aphro says attacks

[spare kite]

axe spin with aphro misses the close range at the very edge of the spin

[tired fulcrum]

I think the axe attack speed hammer says just attack

[viral crane]

So I assume the advancing whirlwind puts it out of range too. Which would be why sometimes it hits hard and other times it doesn't @spare kite

[tired fulcrum]

Idk why aphro prime is reg attack only

[past salmon]

oh
thats why im doing no damage why did I have this on
Its fine probs just win anyway idk Lmao
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[spare kite]

real

[ionic moon]

besides momus, then Circe, eos, Mel and than axe, pers skull probably are the biggest changes this patch

[lost shell]

which build you recommend?

[ionic moon]

I am a big proponent of just trying things in early access, especially just a few days after a big patch

[split glen]

is persephone good now, haven't played with it yet but i saw the changes

the momus change definitely makes my 32 fear attempts a lot harder now haha

[ionic moon]

extremely good, the uptime on the extended omega special is crazy now. so much invulnerability

[toxic tusk]

this is the first time posting here, so i'm not sure if this is the right place, but i think i stumbles upon a broken build. Nasty Comback(hera boon) and Night Bloom(selene boon), i upgraded the boon to so the slain foe persists indefinitely, once i summoned the slain foe- rooms were very easy and chronos destroyed himself EDIT: probably should add i also upgraded the Selene Boon with Retaliation to proc the nasty comback

[split glen]

ty. i'll be sure to try it out. never really liked how slow accruing glory was with pre-patch pers

[split glen]

how much % did you get nasty comeback to lol

[toxic tusk]

it was either heroic or epic at the time, i got that one boon that decreases after every 7 rooms, but i didnt check the rarity when i got to chronos

could have been rare even i guess...

i think i leveled it up once

i got the bridal glow i think towards the end of mourning fields and i only took like 1-2 etra chambers in tartarus

[civic ocean]

yeah got a 32 dub on roast beef first try

I wonder if Aph attack is better or worse than Hera it's honestly probably close

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1248840426639589457/image.png?ex=666520c8&is=6663cf48&hm=f17f3158f1c2ce9c14b6b3653c3296be7e2061a61342d3f78db127048fc96ccf& Dominance 3 Panic 1 Rebuke 1 Desperation 3, had like a pretty mid start but did okay through Erebus? I just wonder if Hera strike ends up being better for constant origination

[sand crow]

Ok so question

[civic ocean]

I might be meant to just play Scars 3 on all runs now

[sand crow]

what keepsake do y'all usually take into fields?

[past salmon]

THIS IS THE WAY

oops caps lol

[random rover]

How do people feel about Hexes now that they're cheaper and easier to develop?

[past salmon]

Even better at low fear
Still kinda just really poop at high fear

[spare kite]

I already took wolf howl anyways

[sand crow]

for high heat, assuming that core build is in place

[civic ocean]

I feel like they are cheaper and easier to develop

lol I know that sounds like I'm being glib but that's literally the extent of it, like I think you can buy them in shops tbh

[past salmon]

how high we talking
Cuz 40+ its usually moros pin

[sand crow]

I'm doing my first 32

[past salmon]

Depends on how the run is going then

[civic ocean]

Usually you're doing Moros Pin, Experimental Hammer, or your last god keepsake

[plain fossil]

I got no problem clicking hex in a2 if my build uses mana anyway

[sand crow]

moros pin might be a good idea lol, I'm on my last DD because I was careless

[plain fossil]

A1 hex is 💀

[civic ocean]

some of them are kinda based now tbh

[sand crow]

wait that's a lie I have 2 because I fixed it

[plain fossil]

And if i dont use a lot of mana then any hex is 💀

[random rover]

No, I don't think that's glib, tbh. If you think they haven't really changed in power level, but have become more accessible, that's pretty much what they were going for. The only one I think that makes a really big difference on is Wolf Howl, tbh.

[plain fossil]

Wolf howl is legit it's the hex im happiest to see p much always

[low bear]

Charon + Apollo/Demeter duo is so busted

[civic ocean]

The big difference is like stuff like Wolf Howl Twilight Curse and Lunar Ray are now acceptable parts of your usual rotation which can help you clean up rooms

[plain fossil]

Because its one of the few that doesnt suck nuts without path of stars

[random rover]

Yeah, the invulnerability uptime, evasion, damage, mobility, etc of Wolf howl are all great, imo.

[civic ocean]

and also its really cheap to buy path of stars and some of that stuff is like honestly really good on stuff like Night Bloom etc

There's some whiffs like Dark Side

[plain fossil]

Like yea sure laser is fine after path of stars an all but its still onion for first half of the game

[sand crow]

i used to really dislike wolf howl and then this patch happened and now we cool

[civic ocean]

I like laser to clean up rooms with lots of the little beam spawners if I'm OOM

[random rover]

I think Dark Side needs some real love.

[plain fossil]

Idk how to not get hit while lasering 99% of the time

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's niche without the path

but you can't control whether or not you get korb'd so you gotta just roll with the ray sometimes

[plain fossil]

Darkside is horrendous its basically a teleport that takes 6 seconds off ur timer

Since u do no damage all u can do is reposition

[random rover]

You're invulnerable the whole time, too, but I can't say I disagree.

[plain fossil]

Thats what i mean

The net result of clicking darkside is -6 seconds on the timer and ur standing somewhere else if u want

[civic ocean]

are there paths that make darkside good

[random rover]

I think the culmination is something like your boons start applying or they take extra % damage, and those pretty much need to be base for Darkside to matter right now.

[strange kite]

i have questions for the dev and why they nerfed darkside.

it makes 0 sense to me like what happened.

[analog ether]

Maybe if you got the perk that applies your Attack Boon to your Darkside Attack? But I think that just applies bonus affects, any sort of straight damage buff from the boon doesn't get applied.

[strange kite]

i thought it was one of the selene hexes that desperately needed a buff

[random rover]

I think it will be eventually. It's pretty universally considered the worst one at this point.

[analog ether]

It could maybe work with the Zeus Attack boon, since you can attack fairly quickly so it would trigger and reapply Blitz fairly quickly.

But yeah, it's one that conceptually feels like it should be very powerful, and isn't.

[random rover]

Maybe they need to take away the invulnerability so they can buff it to levels people would like it?

I don't see why, since invuln is common in Hexes, but whatever.

[analog ether]

I don't even understand what the Special is supposed to do.

[civic ocean]

The purple one should just be "you're normal but invulnerable"

[random rover]

The purple one is just Athena call.

[civic ocean]

would be crazy like I can see why they left Athena out of this game she'd be so nasty

Chronos just sticking a "hit me" sign on him every time he channels the instakill

Hitting bro with his own boomerang

[rain hazel]

I was praying for a mana option 😭
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[civic ocean]

technically a gain swap would work right

[rain hazel]

And I didnt even get the duo from demeter/aphro 😭

gain swap? @civic ocean

[civic ocean]

Sometimes the gods will offer you core boon swaps and if you swap off of Ionic Gain you get 70% of your mana back lol

[rain hazel]

Ah, maybe with the bag, I got winter coat in hopes to get the aphro/demeter duo. I have 230hp right now

[strange kite]

ionic gain moment

[rain hazel]

It was zues...and I didnt even get the under 10 mana boon as a option.
This blows

[charred monolith]

Are there any vods of 32 fear Melinoe torch shenanigans? I've been having a more miserable time post-update to be honest

[strange kite]

one thing i dislike about infusions is how unintuitive the elements are. u dont really know which god u need to start activating infusions without just a bunch of memorization

and it gets spread out all over the place and the math gets messy once u fill core slots

or maybe thats just a me problem because my memory sux

[rain hazel]

Damn, it took 30 tries, after only beating him once I think I fonally got chronos figured out lol. This 2nd win seemed super easy.

[strange kite]

the first win is the hardest then everything becomes super easy

[stray knot]

wait, why can't I post a picture in this channel

[plain fossil]

Pictures disabled, post the picture in a private discord and link to it

[stray knot]

Well, I just did a test and forced heroic wave strike -> common slip -> common arctic ring, then heroic flame strike -> common extinguisher -> common arctic ring. avoided all other buffs as much as possible, took hammers that don't do anything, etc

I clocked 35 seconds for polyphemus on the fire build and 32 seconds on the water build

so there must have been some other factor like a really good hammer or something, but baseline, these two seem like comparable dps at least

[glossy rivet]

chaos offering me defiance twice in one run

[ionic moon]

@turbid hull what is the top row of scaling with the hestia fire extinguisher boon?

[sand crow]

can't relate lol

[glossy rivet]

i got it from buying spark of ixion which was offered like twice in erebus

[ionic moon]

nvmd figured out how to read it

[civic ocean]

wdym

the elements and infusions are all in the boon book

[dusty sapphire]

I feel like the associations between elements and gods are fairly intuitive tbh

[brittle prairie]

Any conclusive biggest winners this patch?

[ionic moon]

would be interesting if the gods with dual elements also had dual reqs on their infusions

instead of 6 earth coarse grit it's 3 water 3 earth, for example

[glossy rivet]

how good is flick knive hammer?

[sand crow]

honestly it depends on what kind of stuff you have going on with your build

it works REALLY well on Pan especially if you're running a percentage based god (especially Aphrodite) on special

with minimal investment you can get something like 500 damage per dash attack

[inner ivy]

Was flick knives even available prepatch? I saw it on the fated list but never got offered to me

[sand crow]

No, it's one of the new ones lol

I think it replaced an old hammer, so it probably remembers that you got what it used to be

[inner ivy]

Ok, just find it weird that it was on the list already. Nah it legit said flick knives on the old list

[sand crow]

wait

[inner ivy]

It doesn’t say ‘replaced’ in patch notes

[sand crow]

hmmm... it definitely wasn't in the game before

[inner ivy]

32f surface artemis took me so long yesterday cause I simply could not get a % attack boon for so many runs

[sand crow]

Idk why it shows as already completed then shruggies

(also does anyone have a good 32 fear and arcana loadout for Moros torches? I'm a bit done with the axe for tonight lol)

[inner ivy]

Wdym? You completed daggers on fated list before patch? They did smth similar with chaos boons, there were two that couldn’t be gotten, and they removed it this patch so it just auto completed for me post patch

[sand crow]

oh odd

I couldn't tell you tbh

actually I think I did get daggers before patch

not sure on that though

[inner ivy]

Also ashamed to say that I struggled with eris at 40% outside of my successful run 😔 but ngl it felt bugged since I got shot through pillars once, or the shotgun breaks it and one shots me afterwards

[inner ivy]

I find them awkward so can’t help you

[fair geyser]

my best advice is to learn fury 2 as fast as possible 🫡

[inner ivy]

Yea, i did 24f without it so it’s hard to take no hits on 32f with fury 2. Honestly surprisingly better on axe cause it feels systematic?

Axe kinda makes it feel like a soulsborne lol

[fair geyser]

i get what you mean lol

i think the only 32axe i've completed is with charon

[charred falcon]

does anyone have any tips for eris? she genuinely feels a lil impossible (yes skill issue on my part but still) with her consistent damage and im mostly just curious to know how yall feel about her and how yall handle her

(it might be a weapon thing for me but idk)

[glossy rivet]

what is included in "rare resources" for double up?
can i still HAHA YES a pom?

[strange python]

i only recently beat her myself. you have to basically dash through her repeatedly whenever she's trying to shoot at you and strike her from behind. as for the stage wide bombardment aoes... just dash out of them. don't try to rush through the fight, because she'll gain three damage up phases no matter how fast or slow you're taking it.

if you've unlocked ||familiars, using frinos as a wall to soak some of her damage is also great.||

[hollow stag]

What are the best boons for Moros Flames?

• Hera Attack
• Poseidon Special

Or Zeus Special

[civic ocean]

okay actually air fryer is sick as heck on the flames

[torpid mauve]

I've just managed to beat her and the Argent Skull special seems like the best counter to her attacks.
It let's you keep out of harms way while still doing damage, and with the right boons and upgrades you can chew through her health really fast.
Do be aware you'll need to invest pretty heavily on magic to make that work, though, seeing as you'll be spamming that attack pretty often.

[strange python]

circe staff is the only way i've been able to beat eris reliably; but i feel like that's a playstyle thing

[torpid mauve]

Possibly, I managed her on my first try with that but I haven't tried out a second time yet.

I also lack any of the other Aspects as of now.

[civic ocean]

I feel like a lot of it is going to kinda be learning to read her tells as to what she's doing

Play around the pillars except when she channels the snipe shot then bait it away and dodge it

I don't know eris that well though my focus is on 32 chronos atm

[strange python]

first time i beat her was with the sister blades, second time i beat her was with the staff.

[torpid mauve]

If you keep your distance you can dodge the charged shot with the sprint.

[strange python]

hestia boons also are bread and butter for her fight as well. being able to apply the dot and run away is really important. XD

[ionic moon]

eris can be cheesed with soot sprint, if you are desperate

[torpid mauve]

That, too.

[north fern]

I always found daggers to be the easiest way to kill her, omega attack lets you quickly get behind her which is a good place to be

[torpid mauve]

That aside, anyone has tips on Chronos?
I'm 15 hours deep into the game and haven't been able to kill him once.

[strange python]

especially if you're using the artemis blades; the parry can eat one bullet for you and sometimes that's all you need.

[strange python]

axe + atk speed is the only way i've been able to beat him. big, fast damage

[torpid mauve]

Beating Eris doesn't unlock Heat, does it?

[little laurel]

#h2-victory-boasting message - Hera/Apollo Aspect of Pan

[strange python]

wym

[strange python]

if we want to see it we'll look ourselves; thanks.

[torpid mauve]

The option to increase the difficulty of the games, it's in every Supergiant game.
Last time it was called Heat, I dunno what they're calling it this time.

[strange python]

ohhh i dunno when i unlocked that. i can't remember if it was eris or chronos

[magic moss]

aight time to derust, whats the current pan build?

[strange python]

it's called fear, but it functions much the same way

[hollow stag]

How’s Aphrodite Attack for Moros flames?

[strange python]

It's okay if you're good at using the detonations to your advantage but I feel like hera is probably better overall

[glossy rivet]

is spiteful strength good on staff attack?

[magic moss]

7 min erebus on my first 32 in 2 weeks ill take it

[glossy rivet]

mirrored thrasher seems best on pos atk right?

im gonna guess spiteful strength is strongest on idk, axe probably?

[bleak night]

not really, I think Spiteful Strength is best on things that have use for both attack and special

on Axe, Aphro alone kind of just outpaces it in terms of the raw damage

[inner ivy]

Isnt epic aphro att 120%

I took spiteful once and it felt so weak on dagger special idk why

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah true. I must've mistaken it for the Special being 200%

[inner ivy]

I know it’s not amazing but it felt weak

[bleak night]

ah, because the dagger special has low damage in general, so you kinda prefer flat damage boosts on it

ig Spiteful Strength does have a purpose on axe swings in that case, yeah

I should give it a go

[inner ivy]

It’s still 50 damage on knives compared to 25 on pos epic

[bleak night]

Poseidon Knives build also builds up on Slip damage boosts + the possibility to get King Tide for guardian fights. Also it can be pommed in general

[inner ivy]

But pos is it’s own base damage i know

[inner ivy]

Yea, like i said it’s not amazing but it legit felt weak

[bleak night]

Wave Flourish is 40 on Epic

[inner ivy]

Ended up using a weak attack instead cause it felt off

[inner ivy]

Wait fr. 25 is off, got mixed up but I thought it was 30 or smth

[bleak night]

Yeah, here you go https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18BO3vOgqm_SaBwr9uWMlRH_Yj0h9G08ZLhQaqdz6z9s/edit#gid=61623334

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1248884048743370802/image.png?ex=66654968&is=6663f7e8&hm=dd2c5f1a75a05fa5c82fe99178d96cef4961612a0c2bfbc5d6059cb1c3192f61& what a beatdown

[inner ivy]

Ohh wtf it’s 10 per level

Much stronger than the attack then :0

That’s double of common…and ppl say rarity doesn’t really matter at high fear

Lol…and for some reason hestia scales at +5 for both att and spec

[magic moss]

can you change minor reward to major?

wait thats a card ok nvm ignore the question

[turbid hull]

I got pinged but apparently the person resolved their issue

[magic moss]

i find it so funny to me that i actually play faster without desperation enabled

my last 3 attempts with desperation on had ~7 min erebus clear but this run i had no desperation and got a 5 min clear and has been a trend with all fears

[inner ivy]

The pressure really does affect performance lol

[magic moss]

fr tho and it saves so much hp as i can just camp as much as i want

[sand crow]

for the most part this is correct, but on Pan with the spiral hammer I've seen aphro special go REALLY hard

although to be fair I think that poseidon would probably scale similarly

[magic moss]

10:05 oceanus clear

i hate spiral knives personally

[turbid hull]

wdym by top row?

[tough pasture]

so does crystal figurine activate only 1 card after 1 guardian or 1 new card after EVERY guardian?

[tough pasture]

Excellent. I've been hoping someone had created a spreadsheet for hades 2 just like in hades 1.

[turbid hull]

🩷

[tough pasture]

@bleak night

Btw, question: did the new patch remove the ability to dash forward while doing the omega special?

I can't do it any longer. I've tried with every aspect and I can't get it to work.

/Mynt looks busy, so friends feel free to chime in.

[past salmon]

On Axe?
No you can

[hollow crypt]

uh what

[ionic moon]

just didn't get how to read this at first, thought there was a second value that was scaling up. but I get it now, thanks for all your work!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1243205888010092665/1248889770294116413/image0.jpg?ex=66654ebc&is=6663fd3c&hm=1832bd230f2583f397b0cfe840c18ee8ec5efa5f4d957be4548769123867b12d&

[hollow crypt]

I got hit under Chronos' feet, spent my Toula DD, then got stunned until I got hit and died

what is this scam

[civic ocean]

the new patch changed the portion of the omega special that is charging or not, so it changes the timing a little

[turbid hull]

Oh yeah, I'm considering removing the multipliers and just keep the in game value because they may be confusing

[civic ocean]

yeah scars 3 is the show now

[bleak night]

You still can, yeah.

I prefer to use it to dash backward or to the side, but forward still works

You can also redirect a lot easier now without any extra inputs.

[inner ivy]

Yea stun has been feeling like an issue for me post patch

[tired fulcrum]

You dash during the channel now instead of after

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1247635285895024710/Hades_II_2024-06-04_12-35-16.mp4?ex=6664b2e8&is=66636168&hm=05c23392429e58a598b982912e91e1d487ac066a73eff1a3251ae3d993993eb9& even before you see the channel even

[civic ocean]

This patch making a really convincing argument to rebind the dash

and the cast tbh, trying to cast and attack on the torches at the same time MONLAS

[tired fulcrum]

Default dash and cast and special binds are

[strange python]

what's the stage mech where kronos picks a number on stage 2... i've tried timing my dash to avoid it and i can't. is it just a health check?

[civic ocean]

Stand in the circle

[tired fulcrum]

You can iframe it with dash but the intended way it to stand in the glowy spot

[jovial elm]

I dont think theyd check if your health was more than 999, the glowy number that isnt red is safe

[north fern]

ok I love the combination of wolf howl crits with Dashing Heave (dash strike hits twice), the crit applies to both dash strike hits

[strange python]

i tried that but still got hit with it x.x i guess i'll fight my way back to him and try again cri

[jovial elm]

The glowing white one? Maybe you gotta be more in the center

[turbid hull]

I'm mostly done with the spreadsheet, don't feel like adding more stuff I don't want to make it unreadable. I will come back whenever a new patch drops, or someone needs a piece of data

[forest hinge]

Chronos' "stand here" circle is really picky, I usually have to adjust myself a bit to make sure the edge doesn't clip me

[strange python]

Ah so the Axe is the worst weapon to have for that mechanic bc it's so big and clunky

[forest hinge]

which axe are you using?

[strange python]

Default Axe. I don't have the resources for the other aspects yet

I'm considering running with circe staff bc I like it a lot and I beat a surface run with it

[forest hinge]

I like the new Circe staff a lot, triggering Serenity on command feels a lot better than the old one

also yeah, default axe is really clunky vs Chronos, Charon's axe just lets you plop the cast on him and walk away during his circle mech, and u can just triggering the cast from bricks away

[strange python]

Serenity and spam omega spells is just very satisfying

[forest hinge]

I thought it would be better for omega specials, but taking aphrodite attack and just walking up and unleashing 700 dmg omega attacks is too fun

[strange python]

Lol yeah the omega attack spam with serenity is hilarious especially with the hammer upgrade

[civic ocean]

I think for Circe there's something to playing panic huntress on it then getting your mana back and slamming them down big style

[forest hinge]

yeah Huntress arcana and then look for any mana generating boon

[forest hinge]

that is, if you're trying to do the Fear-vow that makes you starts fights with no mana

thats how i've been circumventing it lol

[strange python]

How do you take advantage of serenity in the beginning without mana regen if you're doing that lol or do you just pray

[forest hinge]

PRAY

theres demeter, zeus, pos, and apollo boons for mana gen

also the arcana for mana gen

[strange python]

There's a hestia one too I think

[forest hinge]

yes

forgot that one

[strange python]

It's bc it makes you sacrifice health for the regen

[hollow stag]

Axe Hammer Giga Cleaver and Apollo’s Legendary Boon Exceptional Talent does not stack.

Only 2 Omega Specials fire off, not 3. 😦

[strange python]

Leave it in feedback but it could be intentional

[forest hinge]

what does giga cleaver read as?

[hollow stag]

Fire Omega Special twice for 15 more Magick.

[forest hinge]

"Your Omega Attack and Omega Special fire 2 times, but use more Magick."

its just x2, not +2

[hollow stag]

All Apollo’s Legendary does is make Omega Special more costly to use lol with Giga Cleaver

[strange python]

Oh I thought you were talking about apollo's double strike boon

[hollow stag]

Giga Cleaver Hammer

Your Omega Special fires 2 times in succession but costs +15 Magick

[sly turret]

If I use a god keepsake with the first boon becomes onion vow, will the god be added to the pool when I pick up the onion?

[forest hinge]

for it to fire 3 times it would normally say smth like "fires an additional 2 times" or smth

[celest cedar]

are flames spesh the correct distance for aphro spesh

[forest hinge]

i think so

[celest cedar]

cool, gonna try that

[forest hinge]

i tried it once and they were doing 50 instead of 25

[civic ocean]

No but I don't believe the keepsake is consumed in any way

[past salmon]

no and the god will keep showing up until you get them

[tired fulcrum]

oh i just noticed they changed the scythe throw animation lol

Also yeah fo0 doesnt seem to change the active frames on the instakill, its pretty easy to dash

[plain fossil]

It seems to have worse coverage now

I panicked a couple times last chronos i didnt get hit and i woulda expected to

[celest cedar]

you could've said "...last Time" but you didn't

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1248909548593352765/Hades_II_2024-06-08_00-55-27.mp4?ex=66656128&is=66640fa8&hm=cb563c767706f97a065971ce472cdc1034f186a0ab92671524ea4c24d39aa839& if you dash a bit after he grabs the scythe/the safespots flash white you can iframe it, but yeah just stand on the clock number

[strange python]

Tyty

I'm going to study that video as if my life depended on it bc well... it does

[tired fulcrum]

like 99% of the time its safer to stand in the safe spots lol

[strange python]

But dps

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah its good for that lol

[gaunt nest]

i'm on a new run, thanatos scythe, got demeter as first boon, currently thinking between Epic Ice Strike (freeze +60%dmg attack) and Rare Tranquil Gain (35 magick/sec when not moving) and i'm thinking ice strike is the better one

[rich bolt]

Yeah i would go ice strike

[tired fulcrum]

Tranquil gain is pretty ass

[tired fulcrum]

wait ransom duos also remove duos

[cedar lava]

brother tranquil gain is the best magick regen boon and its not even close

[past salmon]

brother what 😭

[cedar lava]

just stay still for like 5 seconds and immediately refill all of your magick

that is insane

[past salmon]

or click born gain and do literally anything and never run out of magick

[cedar lava]

thats apollos right/?

i forgor

[past salmon]

uhh no
How far into the game r u actually

[cedar lava]

ive beaten everything and am on the road to beat 16 heat

[past salmon]

ok its Hera's magick regen

[cedar lava]

which one is born game

yea, ok hera is the best

[tough pasture]

Thanks for the video clip. I'm off to bed but I'll try to replicate this tomorrow.
I could not get it to happen when I tried earlier tonight.

[tough pasture]

I'll have to experiment tomorrow... < bookmarked >

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248922100069171260/20240608185018_1.jpg?ex=66656cd8&is=66641b58&hm=5c661be1a2228a13f6dae0ac59680d87ddee5bfc45b1b1b580332fc8fc50b9da&
Wow guys, What a silly little normal run entering Oceanus!
Nothing to see here!

[bleak night]

lol, damn

[past salmon]

Lol I got to room 4 and then there was like actually 800 spindles rip

[bleak night]

I honestly think they'll overhaul some of the game mechanics down the line

that or just add more options

[past salmon]

I hope they look at some of the enemy designs
There is like 9 enemies in the game that are just
"I run away from you and shoot from offscreen"

Anyways I got an Oceanus entry on both 53 Medea and Mel skulls so I guess that is proof of concept lol
I am not doing this atleast until more patches come out

[bleak night]

I managed to get to Oceanus on 50 Than without it hitting 5 mins

[past salmon]

yoo?

[bleak night]

I got dismantled by the horde of birds because funny enemy swarm with blue hearts rushing me

[past salmon]

rip

I think it just wont be possible unless you have dem sprint or static shock or something
Dem cast works its just annoying

[inner ivy]

is it just me, or does static shock feels kinda slow? like in hades 1 lightning strike chains immediately, but static shock feels kinda like splitting bolt and it's slow and misses quite a bit?

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248924747530768394/image.png?ex=66656f4f&is=66641dcf&hm=5461a6a6e2d8f6e4102342f50568fb9202c933851ceac2472d2566d8cb7de861&
But yeah this is definitely possible on the Skulls its just a big nightmarish
I actually dont even thing it is an RNG angle either you dont get enough boons
I think its actually just stop getting hit angle since both can beat timer as long as they have 1 good hammer or an attack boon with antler

[past salmon]

I will never talk bad about static shock that shi carried me through 50F 🙏

[bleak night]

Rebuke still sucks huh lol

[inner ivy]

it definitely does help with rebukes lol

[past salmon]

yeh
its not possible with it unless u RNG highroll static shock like 2nd room lmao

so 55F probs wont happen

I dont actually see any weapon doing 55F atm tbf

[bleak night]

Yeah, even old Momus had to savestate

[inner ivy]

hb old momus haha

[bleak night]

someone was able to do it with savestating

[past salmon]

noone did it without save states

I mean I think if Momus was here for longer someone would probably manage it

[bleak night]

Like, a weapon that disgusting had to use savestates to win with 20 or 30 seconds left, imagine everything else

[inner ivy]

ok but that means it's doable, just rng dependent

[past salmon]

like eventually someone would just get the most cracked RNG and clear Momus 55

[inner ivy]

I mean someone did 64h zeus shield so

[plain fossil]

I wouldnt stress about it too much since fear is gonna look different on release and nobody remembers beta achievements

Like i dont think it even makes sense to compare to h1 before at least they release EM

[inner ivy]

I'm just saying that 55f old momus is more doable than 64h hades, and that has been done so

[tender anvil]

I agree to that statement, as someone who did a 55 Momus savestate run.

There was enough timer leeway to get god keepsakes in both Erebus and Oceanus, the difficulty was mostly in getting ohko’d

[past salmon]

Are you going to be doing more 50F attempts boron? Kind of insane you made it to tart

[tender anvil]

Yeah, ofc! I even set up video recording to have a vid once I’m done!

[past salmon]

Lets go baby

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1248926094984220695/image.png?ex=66657090&is=66641f10&hm=7fec0f87126bba62e2863304b87a4dd31444816f4c9e94910c661529e228aca8&
We need another non momus run up here 🙏

[tender anvil]

I’ll have time tomorrow to do a proper bulk of attempts

[robust prism]

what is this site called?

[past salmon]

https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/Leaderboard

[robust prism]

thanks

[tender anvil]

Still angry at Echo lol, that run had it if she wasn’t such a downer

[past salmon]

yeah echo moment
I had nemesis steal my echo in Mel skulls 48 lol I was so mad

I somehow clutched that one up tho
Grit OP ig

[tender anvil]

Gotta get this 50 quickly though, I feel the next patch will gut triple earth and make it much, much harder

[bleak night]

What weapon are you doing it with? Also Medea?

[tender anvil]

Meli Flames

The “we’ve got Eos at home” build

[past salmon]

hmm I see grit getting nerfed at the very least
Possible overall nerf to armour
I dont think they will change too much about demeter other than grit
Hera seems unlikely to be nerfed?
Honestly I dont see them nerfing much about earth trio

[bleak night]

oooh

[past salmon]

I mean Born gain is getting nerfed but that doesnt count

[tender anvil]

It doesn’t count for Skulls, but other weapons kinda rely on it. It’s the best first boon, better than attack

[past salmon]

true I mean it doesnt count because that thing is just a given to be nerfed
Everyone knows Born gain is getting nerfed

[wild pine]

I feel like if you're so mana hungry you're first-picking a gain you should genuinely consider just running Unseen tbh

but I don't go above 32F so take that with a grain of salt

[tender anvil]

Unseen is too slow, you really want to spam that omega move to have a chance of making the 5 min timer

[past salmon]

over what though?
Like I am the biggest unseen rep but it is just not the play at above 45 I think

Twoeleven tried for ages with unseen on F50 pan but apparently antler with just like strength or smth is better so

no it wouldnt of been strength
what is twoelevens arcana setup I cant remember

[tender anvil]

Furthermore, at high fear you have to take panic vow, and the only gain fully mitigating that is born gain

[tall notch]

I'm happy to see it actually works so the playstyle isn't all dead

[wild pine]

Ah, okay, I lose track of who all is running ultra-high fear. I can see why you'd need to go Born Gain in that context.

[tall notch]

Are you using the returning ghosts hammer or are there better options?

[tender anvil]

It’s cracked, I’d even say it’s the easiest 50 right now. But, it’s definitely getting changed again, as it’s clearly not the playstyle devs had in mind

[tender anvil]

Returning ghosts are crap, honestly. I pick the speed/power/range, in that order

[past salmon]

ig it ignores some annoying stuff like rebuke huh

[tall notch]

Old Eos was capable of like 46 with good rng so I can see a heavily buffed base attack doing 50

[past salmon]

Also its ranged so you arent just dying to certain rooms like medea does

[tall notch]

Mayyyyybe I'll try it once I'm back (but I hate onion so idk)

[tender anvil]

Yeah, precisely. And it’s very mobile, so revenants are more manageable than with Momus for example

[wild pine]

the returning ghosts hammer desperately needs to add some linger time

[tall notch]

Now you see why I've always been a rev believer?

[tender anvil]

We have WABS, we should also get VAWS - vow agnostic weapon selection

Currently (and probably always?) the easiest weapon to 50 is going to be the one that handles the worst vows mechanically

I tried Meli skulls 50 for like 5 attempts, and blue shields are just a huge pain, barely made it to Hecate. With Meli flames within same 5 attempts I almost made it to Chronos

[inner ivy]

@past salmon you got some high fear medea gameplay to share? I just did a run to practive 40% with it and it didn't feel good

[past salmon]

I mean the only run ive recorded is the 50F if you want it lol

[merry flint]

i think you're missing out on a really good acryonm here -
VOWS - Vow Oriented Weapon Selection

[past salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RC6rLhDQ6Q

[inner ivy]

Was fishing for curses for origination at the end but ended up losing huntress lol. also failed to activate white antler for most of the fight
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358692705175339010/1248934129274195978/image.png?ex=6665780c&is=6664268c&hm=b3cb1ab4cb500f5ade65d82bf94d105a3928ac26ead4273fe79130f2915313b6&

chronos took wayyy too long

[tender anvil]

Mate, that’s much better!

[inner ivy]

i got the hitch from a trial in my penultimate room and aphro cast for weak at chronos shop lmao

hera attack is probs better but i though i'd just experiment at 20f

[past salmon]

imo fetching array is an especially bad take on medea

[inner ivy]

I took it mostly for the fated list haha, the other two where ohm special hammers as well

but i feel like the loading of the skulls is so slow so i honestly didnt mind it that much

[inner ivy]

ok so my biggest mistake is playing it like beowulf and loading 3 against tankier enemies

[past salmon]

tbf you can absolutely do this im almost positive I did this in my 50F aswell its just
dont always do it

it sahould just be less of an anti big enemy thing and more of a room all enemies at once inside your cast thing

[inner ivy]

I think it makes sense with the slow load and faster special. also slow drop time

[plain fossil]

i really need to stop clicking inferno bomb

[inner ivy]

als o that asphodel trick lmao

[plain fossil]

its like a mental disorder at this point

SURELY I WONT TAKE 100 FROM IT THIS TIME

[inner ivy]

it is definitely more annoying with only one dash

[past salmon]

its fine I kept clicking it on 50F actual mental asylum patient I am

wdym inferno bomb sucks when there is 800 enemies every room?

[inner ivy]

that room after asphodel was a pain. as if to punish you for that asphodel trick lmaop

[haughty depot]

Can vows break thru the coarse grit cap or no

[past salmon]

well that is probably the funniest 40F loss ive ever had

I just lost to timer on chronos because I went for a bathroom break before it and forgot to pause
Im nuts

[past salmon]

no

[bleak night]

@past salmon

[past salmon]

yes

[bleak night]

I managed to record a 45 Than, do I submit it ?

[past salmon]

hell yeah

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1248944049407393792/image.png?ex=66658149&is=66642fc9&hm=0cd9047f8d53bba6ccb12fc3f8afce25981607d2895f44fc16021e54b0f4f476&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1248944159042306089/image.png?ex=66658163&is=66642fe3&hm=7910fdcfa687d18463254f10157f479aac32a5eae9da30fd60f2ae089fdf9fb0&

[inner ivy]

oh damn static shock does good damage even on axe

[robust prism]

I mean probably mostly just on than axe

[inner ivy]

unless it doesn't separate attack vs ohm attack, that is more than i expected on an attack build

[inner ivy]

why did you take witty retort on mean streak or evasion? it literally does nothing for you build right

[robust prism]

+30% attack speed is a lot

[tall notch]

Did you not record the 48?

[bleak night]

nope, I didn't expect to win that one tbf

[past salmon]

it activated Coarse grit

[bleak night]

My internet's kind at least https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1248945777431019520/image.png?ex=666582e5&is=66643165&hm=eb17605675146ff41446b8baf3033166843385b2c411efdca04a0864f02928de&

[past salmon]

I could never

anyways I lost my 40F Than to going to the toilet and not pausing this is so sad

[unkempt tangle]

whats the website for the leaderboards?

[inner ivy]

ahh i see. also i've never seen a cerb summon phase that small :0

[past salmon]

yeh and then he made up for it by doing the slamming lunging attack like 9 times

[bleak night]

you'd laugh if you saw my Chronos fight btw

I dodged nothing, I just facetanked everything and lived with 35 hp no dd

[past salmon]

based

[bleak night]

also reviewing my run

I forgot to use Artificer 2x

[past salmon]

this is why I dont bring Arti lmao

[zenith bolt]

reminds me, i need to clean up my videos folder https://i.imgur.com/swD3dSs.png

[inner ivy]

at 26:50, can someone tell me what happened with moros' pin, it healed 60, then went down to 45 after he picked up the last rev

[haughty depot]

Is triple arti in Erebus the play or do you save some for after you have your god pool

[inner ivy]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who has no counterplay to it lmao

[past salmon]

Grit is OP

[inner ivy]

i tried it out once and it was garbage. gave me gold and 2x selene or smth. on a no magick run lmao

[inner ivy]

wait does grit negate the death if you don't clear in 10 secs?

[past salmon]

yeh lmfao

[inner ivy]

I wasn't sure if the revs counted as enemies remaining

[inner ivy]

damn that is op

[haughty depot]

That move gets trapped by cast

[inner ivy]

oh but i mean i don't do anything to damage him when he does it, unless i have smth really ranged

[haughty depot]

Yeah it's hard without range

[inner ivy]

then doesn't that mean you kinda never die? you just keep reviving at 45

[haughty depot]

You can kinda poke and dash away

[zenith bolt]

slam rush sucks because you can basically do nothing

also it's stupid fast on 40

[haughty depot]

Drop an omega cast and run away

[robust prism]

I mean the pin only works once per room but that's still broken lol

[haughty depot]

I gotta try triple earth fr

[past salmon]

it only procs once per room

[inner ivy]

wait moros only works ones per room?

[merry flint]

yeah

[inner ivy]

so that's why my eris fight was messed up jeez

I was so confused when i died twice in a row

[merry flint]

also i didn't know coarse grit worked on moros pin

this game gotta stop using generic damage effects for everything ong

[inner ivy]

I thought 3 dds mean 30secs free damage

[merry flint]

i'd equip it more if it worked that way

[inner ivy]

i was kinda defaulting to it at 32f last floor

[inner ivy]

they really should include that in the desciption...

[haughty depot]

It's still a crazy keepsake

[past salmon]

im sorry WHAT?

bro I just died to shadow spilleer when he was slamming down on the opposite goofy ahh

[inner ivy]

yea it is, but an accurate and precise tooltip is very important. baited me to die on a 32f surface run

[inner ivy]

seee the game is bugged af post-patch

[zenith bolt]

average shadow spiller

though im pretty sure this also happened pre-patch

[inner ivy]

I once got grabbed by polythemus when i was over a dash away behind him lmao. teleported to his hands smh. First time i ever got grabbed by him

It might look like a moros revive, but it's not. Somehow moros kept me alive when eris went into a transition phase. or maybe cause she flew away, Afterwards, she shot me through the pillar like that
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358692705175339010/1248952310445641811/image.png?ex=666588fb&is=6664377b&hm=33bdd8cf87dde6eb7ac83248400a8d456e1f24cc758e955a661a14c295b204c6&

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if Stubborn Defiance At Home is the real play for higher fear

though i think it's mostly piggybacking off of how good triple earth already is

[inner ivy]

well foolish did it with 50f medea

[bleak night]

oh heya, haven't seen you in a bit. Busy with Elden Ring ?

[zenith bolt]

stalking me... yeah finished the playthrough i was on a couple hours ago

[bleak night]

I ran it on 45 Than just now, uploading the video. My first time recording a run

[bleak night]

Oh, I just saw your status when I clicked on the friends tab lol

[past salmon]

it is imo as long as antler isnt absolutely necessary to make timer
Moros Pin is way better than antler for Medea atleast imo

[bleak night]

Moros Pin also has that uhhh. Yknow

[past salmon]

very fun interaction

[bleak night]

It also happened on mine, yeah

[zenith bolt]

gotta get ready for the dlc in like 2 weeks -3-

[inner ivy]

it's still weird cause you took the damage way after he finished counting?

[past salmon]

send me time stamp ill have a look at it after this run im on

[bleak night]

@inner ivy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFQNXwaLaPA&ab_channel=Myntkaramell

[past salmon]

bro I have MAD beef with hippos omg

[bleak night]

yeah I think I'm going back to meme runs

[merry flint]

with the new momus rework i wish seismic hammer was better

[inner ivy]

same they're one of the most annoying on oceanus

[inner ivy]

same, 26:50

[bleak night]

Oh, are you posting runs ?

[inner ivy]

nono im talking about the delayed moros pin damage on foolish's run. I'm not good enough for that, my winrate on 32f have been pretty bad outside of axe

[bleak night]

Oh, I see. It also happens in my runs btw. I just did it because Foolish said it's busted

[inner ivy]

it does seem like it on high heat lol

[bleak night]

no doubt they'll fix that eventually tho

[past salmon]

oh yeah thats jut moros pin being super buggy lmao

sometimes its super delayed like that

[inner ivy]

I feel like they should fix the things are detrimental to the players first. Even then it doesn't seem game breaking, but more like it enables a stubborn defiance if you can get 6 earths and coarse grit on an onion run

[inner ivy]

fr wdy guys think of this lol

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. Still, something this strong on something so situational, I have hope that they just leave it in

[inner ivy]

I also noticed a rev that flew to the edge of the fields map and you couldn't collect it

[jolly phoenix]

charging omega to slow down time is so overpowered against eris

[past salmon]

Im pretty sure the game actually deletes the rev if this happens

[inner ivy]

19:05, i guess maybe it's just in a little pocket that you dashed through twice, but honestly I'd be so frustrated, I feel like that should've been collected

[past salmon]

oh no that one should be collectable I just think I didnt go on it

[inner ivy]

ah yea okay fair. I thought so too after rewatching, but sometimes the map layout is really frustrating, like unnecessary bumps or pockets on the map. I play of k&m so only 8 directions

Not sure if i'm just acclimating to fury 2, but omega attack on staff feels slow af

[past salmon]

kbm gang

[haughty depot]

Can y'all clear Erebus completely hitless

[past salmon]

I mean maybe on 0 fear idk

[inner ivy]

wait you too :0

[past salmon]

yeh

[inner ivy]

yea on low fear lol

[past salmon]

and like probs on something other than medea 😭

[haughty depot]

What about like just with fast enemies and timer

[bleak night]

Def not on Fury 2

[inner ivy]

20% and 9:00 sure

[past salmon]

I mean timer would probs be fine even 5 mins
speed is rough

[haughty depot]

I wonder what the frame data on all the enemy attacks actually is at 40%

[bleak night]

Echo probs knows

[inner ivy]

wdym, as in shorter collision frames?

[bleak night]

hitbox framedata

[haughty depot]

Like startup time active cooldown

How reactable and punishable everything is

[bleak night]

speaking of punishable

I'd love it if the screamers had proper turnrate rather than 180'ing instantly

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1248963479063232512/20240608213441_1.jpg?ex=66659362&is=666441e2&hm=c813a85d1d8140caabf10a2ff875e6314bd769b00eab4f22c0f5fe8ee5e8e535&
Got hit twice

[bleak night]

If you turn timer off you'll probs get the 0 damage taken run

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247892314714800138/image.png?ex=6664f988&is=6663a808&hm=7c3cc7b11797638f918a3e04bc851b8a912bbf8ff50aff80f407b2e4f5435a84&

I've done a 0 damage run before, but I had no Fury active

[past salmon]

I mean yeh I could do it it just doesnt seem fun

[inner ivy]

so fast :')

[bleak night]

True, but the challenge this time around is not getting hit, right ? Might as well

[haughty depot]

Some boons def help with it

[past salmon]

anyways im gonna do 45 Persephone now and like stop skill issuing it so hard

[bleak night]

you'll get it, have fun

I'll do a 45 Mel skull soon, so if you can dm me your arcana and what to prioritize

[past salmon]

I did like 2 runs this morning and threw so unbelievably hard the freest wins of my life lmao

[past salmon]

yeh ill do it in a min

[bleak night]

nah, no rush. Do it when you're not busy

I'm not going to do anything higher than 32 today after that Than run

[past salmon]

its fine I had to restart run anyway cuz I had panic on lmao

[summer root]

Anyone else obsessed with this new momus change?

I know I sure am. So much fun.

[bleak night]

What's your build on it ? I only gave it one go then played Circe and went back to my Axe and Skull

[plain fossil]

so just checking here nobody has had any success with new eos right

[summer root]

Im still experimenting with it, but, you really can do whatever you want with it since it's so widerange. I like to focus on it's cast with the arcana that gives it 100+ power and furies and use Zeus boons.

[tender anvil]

How high is your Axe atm?

[bleak night]

48 on Than, I did record a 45 btw if you wanna watch. First time uploading a run

[tender anvil]

Of course!

[bleak night]

sent

[summer root]

I wish I was smart enough to do high heats.

Im still struggling on 16.

[bleak night]

Zeus on attack or special ?

[summer root]

Cast!

[bleak night]

dw about it, you'll get better as you go. If you want tips on various weapons, we have people here that are general specialists and some that are geared towards a specific one

[summer root]

And attack is pretty fun if you get Aphrodite and duo.

[bleak night]

Oh, Storm Ring Momus ?

iirc it has not much of an interaction on the Momus echo orbs, no ?

like, it only repeats the Omega Cast burst at the end that all casts do

[summer root]

There's also a few chunks of lightning with it.

[plain fossil]

pretty much yeah

[bleak night]

Ah

[summer root]

Like 2 hits I believe?

[plain fossil]

u get like two ticks of lightning at the end

[bleak night]

Oh, that's interesting then

[plain fossil]

so its not particularly exciting but better than nothing ig

[bleak night]

Have you tried Circe btw? It lets your Storm Ring do +120% more damage

[summer root]

I haven't that sounds evil.

[bleak night]

Yeah, give it a go. Attack-based build with Storm Ring is the go-to

I'm not that good at using the staff, but it does look fun

[summer root]

I wonder if it'd smack with Hephaestus

[bleak night]

Like, Anvil Ring ?

I feel like Anvil Ring is kinda weak compared to Storm Ring, plus the AoE is a lot smaller

[unique terrace]

Hey guys, haven’t played in a while and am looking for some fun builds. The only setup I’ve enjoyed was the staff and Poseidon special, double moonshot etc. Is there a place in the discord that has like a quickguide to some setups?

[stone fog]

Wait it's all omega?

[bleak night]

Hiya, sadly that build isn't top tier anymore, but it's still kinda doable. What weapon do you wanna play ?

[bleak night]

All the staves? Yeah, pretty much.

[soft valley]

Anybody down to help figure out the math of how one tick of axe special deleted this HP bar? I took a screenshot of the only relevant boons after the same thing happened to Cerberus, the interaction seems unintended.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865691227343945758/1247228280394748015/2024-06-03_12-09-59_Trim.mp4?ex=6665321a&is=6663e09a&hm=546fc42b97ed6ec0b35268b5c07a8411c58c9726fdef8bbc4c95c95b9452260d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865691227343945758/1248965706322546688/image.png?ex=66659575&is=666443f5&hm=456f8af8c18938c9eb455cbccca14c904994dc457e904e1b50cfa96063e3bf7d&

[stone fog]

I meant serenity applies to all omega damage?

[unique terrace]

Kinda open to anything, just don’t have time to spend on theorycrafting runs so was hoping for some inspiration

[bleak night]

Oh, are you on an older patch? Also melting shredder just tore the armour down with a crit

It did 35% of max armour, then it crit and did a total of 105% max armour

[soft valley]

This was on Patch 1, yeah. Did they change this already?

[bleak night]

Yeah, shield acts differently now

Update your game probs, Axe in general has buffs

[soft valley]

LOL

[bleak night]

Oh, hmm. Atm people are enjoying Skulls more. I think East has a guide on Air Fryer

Here's his guide https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml

Air Fryer tab

[surreal hazel]

I'm going to say something odd and suggest that Dark side is better post-patch than pre.

for the simple reason that they fixed some of the bugs and now it does way more damage when upgraded, like it should do

[tame spindle]

what are the changes?

[surreal hazel]

the only listed change was +10 cost to a flat 100, which is a nerf

[tame spindle]

ah

[surreal hazel]

but various upgrades weren't working properly

[wild pine]

patch notes also mention the reduced cast time, which is a big deal

[surreal hazel]

Against Chronos, certainly

[wild pine]

it's now much les likely to get you killed when you try to turn invulnerable

[surreal hazel]

not against him, actually a nerf since you can abuse cast time with things like Torch omega special, and omega cast

I still much prefer it shorter, so yes, I view that as a positive

[wild pine]

Even outside the chronos encounter I routinely got killed by environmental hazards, projectiles, or even melee attacks from normal enemies when trying to use dark side reactively, especially with increased enemy speed going

[unique terrace]

Much obliged! Will try it out today

[surreal hazel]

mmm, it would be nice if it was invulnerable at the start of casting

but then you can cancel the cast animation, so it would be abusable unless you stopped that happening

[proven orbit]

Doesn't it plain stop time when activated outside of chronos, so unless you step on fire in thesallys you can't take damage

[surreal hazel]

no, it's more like 90% slower

[proven orbit]

Weird

[bleak night]

Hope you end up liking it

[surreal hazel]

so active frames are still active, and some things just ignore it

like Angry olympians

[proven orbit]

I guess I got lucky enough to never be hit during using it as repeated panic button

[surreal hazel]

Posideon and Aprodite's attacks against you aren't slowed at all by hex cast startups and similar time slows

but the time delay between attack by all gods is slowed by such things, so..... 🍝

Hades 1 didn't use time slows much, so I guess they're discovering what happens when they revive code for... Transistor() I guess?

But then "Time slow" seems to be just the game targeting all entities it thinks it needs to slow down and debuffing them, while applying a visual effect. The game's tickrate isn't changing

[wild pine]

Also, all hexes were indirectly improved a lot by the recent patch. The weapon re-works killed off most of the popular mana-less builds and encouraged a lot more omega spam which inherently makes hexes easier to use, and the fact that many hexes were buffed makes me a lot more willing to pick one up in Erebus, which gives me more chances to upgrade them. The Selene keepsake buff is also very real.

[surreal hazel]

it really is

most upgrades on the tree are meh, but key ones are amazing and multiplicative

[wild pine]

Dark Side also has cool interactions with new Momus, new Eos, new Persephone, etc.

[surreal hazel]

Also commons could do with a rebalance, because like, why is +10% damage to guardians on the same rarity to +20% damage to everything?

[surreal hazel]

The daybreaker can fire Dark side special?

Oh yeah, and Vastness, the one common that stacks multiplicatively with itself, heh

(I guess hex magicka costs do too, sorta hyperbolic)

[wild pine]

No, I'm just saying that there's a lot more passive damage or cast centric builds now which let you continue using your normal dps tools while using dark side just for defense. Having momus turrets or friendly ghosts out makes taking time out to cast dark side feel a lot less annoying

[surreal hazel]

ahhh, yes, I see what you mean

I was using dark side earlier today with the torches because it let's Hearth Gain work in peace

I had so many channelling time improvements I was omega attacking after one basic shot

or... trying to

I suppose that's one loss for long cast times: Tranquil Gain is happy to work during hex casts

heck, it's happy to work during lunar ray actually firing

[wild pine]

What is there for channel speed? Just chaos boons and clean candle?

[surreal hazel]

Arache dress too

and firing speed does affect that

Probably why hermes' function speed upgrades aren't as good as Hades 1

[wild pine]

Oh, does it? I thought it would let you shoot more normal ghosts during the channel time but not accelerate the channel.

[surreal hazel]

Didn't seem to

Or rather. I took a 21% special speed upgrade znd that definitely affected channel speed

[warped perch]

does anyone know, from the ||Hades|| benefits he can give where you gain more damage per spent Death Defiance...is that retroactive? or only per death defiance AFTER I pick it up? I've already lost a death defiance so I'm not sure if that will be counted

[bleak night]

I don't know, actually. Huh, I've never chosen it before unless it's a prophecy is all ig

[warped perch]

I also don't know how to even test it myself cuz it doesnt like...list hte current amount it's giving, just how much per DD

[bleak night]

@turbid hull Hiya, Echo!

Do you have any idea regarding the question above ?

Let me check her spreadsheet rq actually

[warped perch]

oh dang someone's going as far as to keep a spreadsheet? this community is DEDICATED ❤️

[bleak night]

ye https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18BO3vOgqm_SaBwr9uWMlRH_Yj0h9G08ZLhQaqdz6z9s/edit#gid=2031019091

[turbid hull]

I would assume it's done retroactively, but I will check

[bleak night]

tyty

[warped perch]

ty! please let me know as I'm just kinda paused on my other monitor atm XD

[warped perch]

that's insane XD

[turbid hull]

Interesting

Seems like it's using the amount of Death Defiances you have "spent", and by that I mean your max Death Defiance - your remaining Death Defiances

[bleak night]

Ah, so previously lost ones don't count ?

[turbid hull]

e.g. if you somehow get a Death Defiance back, it would nerf it

[bleak night]

Ooooh, it just notes the missing amount

[turbid hull]

If you get it at 1 / 3 remaining death defiances you would get twice the buff

[bleak night]

interesting, so good for Midnight to grab that then ?

[turbid hull]

Yes, I would assume, assuming I understand the data right (which is not 100% sure), that they would get +10%

[warped perch]

ohhhh okay that's interesting. so since I'm missing one DD, I'd get a 10% boost
but if I (somehow) got one back, it'd go to 0%
and if I lose another one, it's still 10%? (if I'm understanding this properly?)

[turbid hull]

Presumably, yes

I didn't test it, so I'm not sure at 100%, I'm only interpreting what I know

[warped perch]

probably gonna link to this convo and put in feedback that the ability needs clarification. still, thank you!

[cursive ruin]

Damn new mel axe is pretty stronk

[turbid hull]

[bleak night]

it do be bonkin good

[bleak night]

Thanks for checking and clarifying for us

[turbid hull]

yw yw

[robust prism]

just managed to get a fully maxed out lunar ray with prominence, trinity, exodus, obstinance and radiation while also getting the night arcana from the circe keepsake, the damage went pretty nuts lmao

[bleak night]

did you record a Chronos fight by any chance