h2-builds-and-combat

[wild pine]

Not IMO even an especially good result

[lost shell]

day #20 of missing ares

[proven orbit]

Witches HATE it! Find out how to get entire arcana stack in a single step...

[split glen]

haha i didn't know night bloom could revive the sirens. that's pretty funny

[eager ivy]

boons/keepsakes for medea?

[timber adder]

Ok I haven't beat Chronos and I desperately want to like the torches but I hate them, they feel so slow and especially the special doesn't even feel worth it. Any torch enjoyers wanna enlighten me?

[odd ruin]

question, when do you guys swap from a god keepsake?

[merry flint]

just be carried

[brave owl]

"pink aura" build. WayTooDumb turned me on to it

[merry flint]

Demeter Attack/Hera Special/Heph Support

[brave owl]

i won my first run with it even picking wrong aspect and having crap hammers

[merry flint]

Roll for Coarse Grit

[mystic bison]

Wym when

[brave owl]

this is what I got from him:

“Pink Aura” Build

What ur aiming for is aph apollo demeter with aph special, demeter cast, apollo gain, heartthrobs, both apollo duos and the apollo legendary

Aphrodite - Special

Demeter - Cast

Apollo - Mana Gain

Heart Throbs

BOTH Apollo Duos

Apollo Legendary

[merry flint]

god keepsakes run out at the start of a region lol

[brave owl]

it melted bosses

[merry flint]

you swap them immediately

[odd ruin]

I meant you can always swap to another god boon

[sour cape]

Wont you like have no mana for hearthrobs witg Apollo mana gain?

[brave owl]

@odd ruin after the first boon pops up form that god and after ive chosen to rarify. after that, it's useless

[timber adder]

I...uh...I have zero idea what this means. This is my first look into this channel and I'm not experienced enough to know the builds yet (I know what being carried means in a game context, just not here)

[merry flint]

well what i did was

[brave owl]

@sour cape I did the run a couple nights ago - it destroyed and I didn't have mana issues

[split glen]

you shouldve specified you meant "switching from using any god keepsakes" i think

[merry flint]

Demeter Attack for Freeze - this is crazy good crowd control

[sour cape]

oh

[odd ruin]

yeah, probably

[split glen]

i usually switch to a utility boon if i get the combination that i like

[odd ruin]

so is it not worth picking another god keepsake after that?

[merry flint]

Hera Special - This spreads Hitch efficiently so you get really good crowd damage and origination

[brave owl]

oh sure you can

[split glen]

i only use another god keepsake for bikini bottom if im trying to force a build

[merry flint]

Then you look for Hephateaus for another Earth element god

[brave owl]

but that particular keepsake isn't any good after you use it

[mystic bison]

That depends on what you are going for and what you've gotten so far

[merry flint]

You also pick up Born Gain from Hera for the best mana regen in the game

[mystic bison]

If the stars align and you get all the gods you need in Erebus, then you don't need to equip another god keepsake after

[merry flint]

since all 3 gods give out earth element boons, you look for Demeter's Coarse grit infusion boon

you get 6 Earth elements and you're now a tank

[odd ruin]

ok, thanks for the help

[brave owl]

@odd ruin and @sour cape this was my run

https://imgur.com/a/wRLgypQ

like i said, i accidentally chose wrong aspect and both hammers sucked and still a piece of cake run

[mystic bison]

Everything is situatuonal, what matters in picking keepsakes is to consider what you need in the moment

[tame vapor]

whats a good build for thana axe?

[split glen]

agh, almost got gramps on 32f with momus. had too little health and he had far too much damage

[brave owl]

didnt even get the appollo leg either

[lost shell]

is this medea?

[lost shell]

aphro/apollo on attack, demeter buff from omega attack and apollo legendary

[brave owl]

yes I believe so

was a couple nights ago so I don't remember all the deets

also @odd ruin dont forget godmode - itll give you more time to learn the boss fights once you get the dmg resistance up after a few failed runs. That's what it's there for and has helped me a ton.

[civic ocean]

Is apollo legendary good on than or do you just spin forever

[spare kite]

Only doubles spin duration pretty sure

Should be funny with psychic and furious (?, whatever the channel speed hammer was)

[upper shuttle]

does god mode affect anything other than just the difficulty?

[stoic ridge]

god mode gives you damage resistance every time you die, thats it

[upper shuttle]

so it's not like other games when you set them to easy it affects achievments and some story stuff

[stoic ridge]

nope, you can play the game completely normally and get everything, even with it active

[brave owl]

well we dont even have achievements yet

dunno if it affected them in the original Hades

[upper shuttle]

ok thanks been really struggling with fear 32 lost like 10 runs already I might turn it on now

[spare kite]

Nah

[stoic ridge]

you build up resistence as you die so you are probably going to die a few more times before the resistence really starts to kick in

[spare kite]

Also yeah god mode is 20% dmg resistance, goes up by 2% each death. Caps at 80%

[civic ocean]

Turn on sicko mode instead

Every time you die you get better at the game

[brave owl]

lol

[spare kite]

I wish

[small hawk]

take poseidon double up boon?

[brave owl]

that's the idea isn't it

[jovial cove]

God Mode vs Goat Mode

[civic ocean]

HAHA, YES!

[violet temple]

y'all is it worth continuing momus 32 fear on surface if I get the worst hammers in the game

[brave owl]

i mean momus is pretty strong

but i wouldnt just quit - you lose the stuff you've gotten already

[violet temple]

ye I mean let myself die

[civic ocean]

No I think you should discontinue Momus and instead do it with your choice of Torch

[violet temple]

mmm no thanks

[civic ocean]

We should probably put our heads together and figure out what we're going to tell the hundreds to people who ask how to beat 32 when Momus gets nerfed

[violet temple]

thanatos 🙏

[plain fossil]

I would probably suggest that the next two easiest weapons to 32 with are pan and eos probably in that order

Medea requires u to play like a nutcase and im not comfortable recommending it to ppl i think

Actually maybe eos is easier than pan idk coarse grit kinda broken hey

[timber pawn]

True honestly. Pan is the likely go to, I'd guess

Relatively minor setup, fast clear speed, pretty safe ranged playstyle with a ranged cast

[clever drum]

Born Gain too, probably

[plain fossil]

Well the problem with ranged cast on pan is it makes u click gods that dont have any other good boons for pan

I agree its maybe still good enough to click but having to take zeus or hestia is kind of a big deal

[timber pawn]

Hades, even just having it for chronos is a difference maker in terms of skill required to clear

[limpid coral]

My experience with pan has been, ranged cast, mana gain, some hammer or perk for the m2 and that's all you need for damage. Are the pools with ranged cast that much weaker?

[ionic moon]

the best part about pan is that literally half the hammers are good for it

[plain fossil]

Yea its not reliable but i guess thats true if u just want the singular 32 clear

[plain fossil]

For pan they are yes

Neither zeus nor hestia has good special boons for pan, neither god has good offensive supports for pan, and neither god has any defensive supports at all unless ur running surface

[odd ruin]

oh, I've already beaten cronos, I was just wondering if there was a more optimal way to choose keepsakes, thanks though

[clever drum]

Unless you're running surface? What do you mean exactly?

[plain fossil]

Also neither god gives u earth squigglies for coarse grit

[brave owl]

oh ok i thought someone mentioned they hadnt.

[plain fossil]

Soot sprint op

[clever drum]

Oh, gotcha

[wild pine]

You can always use a keepsake and some re-rolls to 4th god in Zeus just for lightning lance

[odd ruin]

question, for the testaments do you need to kill the boss with the specific weapon thats underneath it?

[plain fossil]

This is my recommended option though it does require more luck/less consistency

[white steppe]

yup

[odd ruin]

ok

[mystic bison]

Vapor builds work with Pan though

[plain fossil]

I havent seen one i like. U got a run i can look at?

[odd ruin]

another question, what are some boons that work well with the axe?

[plain fossil]

All three axes work kinda different

[odd ruin]

I'm currently using thanatos

[mystic bison]

I don't record myself but here is a victory build I posted a while back, the dmg is pretty good #h2-victory-boasting message

[plain fossil]

I would suggest building around omega attack for thanatos with a %boon, aph attack is highest damage, hera and demeter smoother roomclear gameplay

[tall notch]

Eos gaming

[mystic bison]

What do u think about running Aphro attack on Eos?

[jade kindle]

if you have all of the magick primed, are you considered to be at 100% or 0% for the arcana card?

[odd ruin]

hera might be good on the regular attack boon, I usually put demeter on the casts

[tall notch]

It's a good attack for aggressive Eos but it's a riskier playstyle

[plain fossil]

This looks interesting but idk if id want to play 32+ on it as it looks a lil squashy

[mystic bison]

Yeah I had a good run with it on mid fear earlier but I don't think it's feasible on high fear

[mystic bison]

It has no cc which is a big drawback for high fear yeah but it does make use of the ranged cast since it naturally builds into vapor

[tall notch]

It's probably a decent attack for passion dash Eos? A mid fear build

Melee players might like it for 32

[broken pier]

I really wish there was a good melinoe torch build that didn't just automatically die since the specials don't stagger -_-

specials not staggerring ruins the weapon for me

[plain fossil]

Mel torches pretty solid weapon

[timber pawn]

You can work around it but it is something to get used to

[mystic bison]

That's only one type of torch build

[broken pier]

well the attack is useless lol

[plain fossil]

At low mid fear u can play aph special heartthrob torches and delete everything in 2 seconds

[mystic bison]

Nvm you said Mel Torches, yeah the no stagger thing is rough

[plain fossil]

At higher fear ur typically playing demeter

[mystic bison]

Demeter on special?

[broken pier]

That's what I've been going for but my deleto fear keeps giving me flourish AND hearthrob at the same time, like.... 8x runs now lol

[plain fossil]

The good thing about torches is that ur damage and mobility are solved by the weapon

[mystic bison]

Rerolls

[plain fossil]

U reroll those

[broken pier]

Yeah I'm using demeter special rn, but I'm not even to hecate and lost 2x dd because I can't cast specials and evade atst

[plain fossil]

Ur not really supposed to

Ur specials last for several seconds so charge them up when its safe then run around next to the boss dodging mechanics

[broken pier]

Yeah lol, that's WITH rerolls, I got 8x and in 9/11 instances of flourish across three runs it's been with heartthrob lol

[plain fossil]

U reroll those

Sometimes u get horribly unlucky sure but i mean theres a limit

[mystic bison]

Are you running with 10 rerolls?

[broken pier]

it's just annoying cause I want the build to be good enough for me to clear 24 on it and I'm terrible with this weapon lol

all but the last arcana max and using the right bottom 4 yeah

[plain fossil]

Left bottom 4 surely

[broken pier]

yes, I am directionally challenged xD

[mystic bison]

If Mel is too hard for you, you can try Eos for 24 fear

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1245501891300036699/Hades_II_2024-05-29_15-13-21.mp4?ex=6658fb87&is=6657aa07&hm=51509f60de92688ada98b04503af5622c3df510230b98765a061da2eba61fe57&

[plain fossil]

If ur running 24 thats about the point where i prefer to play the game with demeter special

That said, 24 underground u can run with a tight timer on torches because they do so much damage

Whats ur fear setup

[broken pier]

I'm currently decompressing at arachne rn w heroic born gain, demeter special / att and ended up getting the 60% room heal from aphro

down 2x DD ready to throw in the towel lol

[plain fossil]

Fyi regardless of anything else in erebus ur normal special is doing like 80% of the work because its got more range

Also why are u taking so much damage what on earth are ur vows lul

[mystic bison]

2x dd before Hecate?

[broken pier]

Isn't the point of this build to spam omegas so you can kill everything during the slow when it can't hit you

[plain fossil]

What no

[mystic bison]

Ur supposed to stack omegas on you in safety and run around killing everything

[plain fossil]

I almost never load up an omega when the slow is relevant

That would mean theres a mob that can hit me

[broken pier]

Thats why I'm bad at this game I have dexterity issues where I can't really play evasively

[plain fossil]

U do what xenias said, u load up multiple omegas away from the mobs then run in and dodge attacks till they die

[plain fossil]

Ok well if u want to play the full potato facetank style for testaments then torches also supports this

[broken pier]

I'm pretty much limited to one button only on the right side of the controller, what's why I have special mapped to RT

[plain fossil]

U click eos and go hera demeter heph with coarse grit

[broken pier]

And I don't use cast like... at all lol

[plain fossil]

Uh

Mel torches are unplayable without cast they have no hitstun

U take 500 damage from banshees

[broken pier]

I just run from those (def my most hated enemy lol)

[plain fossil]

I dont know if theres any build in the game that works without cast except probably momus because its momus

[broken pier]

I don't cast on axe or daggers and it's ezpz

[plain fossil]

Press cast plsplspls

[mystic bison]

Banshees are basically designed to teach you to cast lol

[plain fossil]

If u dont press cast its probably like +20 fear lul

[wild pine]

Yeah I'd say if you can only reach two buttons make them special/cast or attack/cast depending on weapon

not attack/special

[plain fossil]

Ye u do not need to press attack ever on mel torches

[broken pier]

They should add that, like disable ur Att/Cast/Spec for x fear

[mystic bison]

Idk maybe try keyboard if the control scheme is better for you? Dash sprint and cast is half of this game, won't go far without it

[broken pier]

would 100% toss cast and hex to the wind lol

[wild pine]

removing hex should be -2 fear lol

[plain fossil]

Ya

[ionic moon]

cast is too fundamental to how H2 is designed

[plain fossil]

I would lose 2 fear to not ever see room 1 selene

[tired fulcrum]

Would take hexless every time

[mystic bison]

True

[broken pier]

I should put hex on Y and cast on LT I could use it then, idk why I didnt think of that

[uneven crag]

I'm half convinced i'm playing a different game that y'all because the "worst" hex is what got me my first chronos kill lol

[plain fossil]

Ye up to u but please learn to cast its a different game

[uneven crag]

The nightmare transformation let me go through like 40% of that fight with iframes

[wild pine]

Oh, hexes were crucial to many of my first few chronos kills, too

[opal saffron]

I dont get why everyone dislikes hexes ? Have you guys maxed out and used the night arcana card or selene keepsake, they make those work really well

[wild pine]

But you tend to outgrow them as your arcana and fear options develop

[broken pier]

I hate how low dps hexes are, and how all but the xform one make you a dmg sponge

[tired fulcrum]

I moved dash cast and special to shoulder buttons lol

[mystic bison]

I returned to Hades 1 and kept spamming the cast on enemies because of Hades 2 experience

[plain fossil]

The big reasons are to do with how the game scales with fear

Basically hexes are horrendous early and horrendous when u only have 1 hex boon

And a1 is the hardest part of high fear

[polar chasm]

Is there any way to clear the trial of haste? Got demolished by the mini (still so overpowered) and only got to the boss with 30ish seconds left. 5 minutes is not enough time

[tired fulcrum]

A good build can kill things much faster than speccing into a hex and hexes are also just unreliable

[broken pier]

I do like the time slow hex, but time slow effects = nothing vs chronos so it feels like a complete waste, plus none of the slow effects slow the actual timer

[mystic bison]

Hexes are an opportunity cost, would rather pick anything other than a Hex truthfully

And Selene 1st room is death

[opal saffron]

Really ? Did 32 with all weapons and I find Arena 1 easiest

[cursive oyster]

imo chronos should be like half immune to time slow not fully immune or fully vulnerable

[zenith bolt]

timer running out doesn't instantly kill you

[polar chasm]

I love Selene as a character but have zero desire to get anything but moon water

[mystic bison]

There is no way Erebus is the easiest, you barely have a build there

[polar chasm]

It does when you lost all your health to the mini 😂😭

[tired fulcrum]

Erebus is mostly annoying if you have 5 min timer

[mystic bison]

I forget to use moon water all the time too

[broken pier]

I think your fear loadout plays a big role, some 24 is way harder than others from my experience

[plain fossil]

U have no build in erebus and u have hippos wailing on u with timer

[wild pine]

When you have the mana regen and hex charge arcana cards, taking a hex and boosting it with selene keepsake can work really well. But once you have access to the re-roll cards it is hard to support both, and usually more valuable on high fear to force the boons you need than to gamble on hexes. There are too many bad hexes, for one thing.

Also, many fear vows make hexes dramatically less useful. Increased enemy speed makes them much more dangerous to use, and priming magic and starting with an empty bar make them much harder to get off. If you sacrifice boons to the onion vow, then it's harder to get an upgraded hex and the boons you need for your build, and so on.

[plain fossil]

Probably the only build where erebus is easier than the rest of the game is momus

[spare kite]

Moon water annoys me cuz if you reroll it wastes a charge if it's active

[plain fossil]

Because u start stupid powerful and can hide in corners

[plain fossil]

U should be able to sac selene to onion, thanks for coming to my ted talk

[civic ocean]

It's sort of like "I don't understand why you guys don't like bringing longswords to this knife fight" when we're building submachine guns, if that makes sense?

[plain fossil]

Although with current game balance i suppose that just encourages u to give up all selene starts and redo vow for onion lmao

[opal saffron]

I definitely agree that some hexes feel terrible to get, and it feels bad to load up your arcana to use a hex only for selene to give you the morph one as the +2 path of stars option

Im just hoping the devs dont completely rework them like some people are suggesting, I think they do need buffs but that they are a functionning nice idea

[broken pier]

LOL I am 100% doing this from now on

[plain fossil]

It doesnt work

[broken pier]

rip

[plain fossil]

U cant onion selene starts onion only hits ur first actual god boon

[wild pine]

Wolf Howl and Moon Water can become crazy good, to be fair. Phase Shift wrecks topside runs but is useless against Chronos. The necromancy one and giant-sky-bomb are less reliably strong but have their moments. Shadow form and moon laser seem to be irredeemable garbage.

[plain fossil]

The big thing for me is not the upside, the upside is fine

[civic ocean]

I think they also may just like add more incantations to make other stuff better in a way that might favor hexes

[small hawk]

necromancy one is pretty reliably strong 🤔

[opal saffron]

Yeah I've also had surprising results with lunar beam when it gets the freeaim buff, but the low magick requirement hexes are definitely the better ones by design

[broken pier]

I liked shadow form in my 16 heat dagger run, just because I was using pan daggers and the dmg bonus applied to all 42 hits xD

[plain fossil]

The big thing is that unupgraded hexes are uniformly horrendous and the game sometimes gives them to u room 1

[broken pier]

Oh wait that was hades shadow, not hex lol

[wild pine]

Necromancy is usually great, but sometimes you keep freezing your own guy, and sometimes you get something dumb like a tiny babby fish

[plain fossil]

Like yea sure if u click ur keepsake and ur 4 grasp arcana and u click selene twice its fine

But if i clicked a different keepsake and a different 4 grasp of arcanas and i clicked 2 god boons id probably be doing better AND it would suck less along the way

[wild pine]

Yeah room 1 hex is disgusting. Wolf Howl is maybe acceptable and all others are trash.

[opal saffron]

God calls worked better in the first game since you could use them at low power instead of having them charge fully

[broken pier]

It would be cool if they room locked selene to like, 12+

[mystic bison]

After tinkering with Persephone a bit I'm basically convinced the devs were always intending it for a primarily Cast based playstyle, with Glory just being a tactical nuke you load off from time to time, mainly on bosses

This is why Zeus cast works so well on it, it is the intended way of playing it imo

[civic ocean]

Idk I'm down with Selene being startable just makes the Hexes good lol

Like don't give me only choices of 100+ mana cost hexes when I start with 90 mana

[wild pine]

Call starts felt horrible in Hades 1 also.

Fundamentally the boons are based on spending lots of mana to do a super move and you don't start with the mana to burn or with worthy targets for the super.

[plain fossil]

Hey man its soooo good dealing 2000 damage to the four mobs in room 1

[mystic bison]

Yeah but calls at least weren't a separate category of boons, who even starts with a call

[opal saffron]

Finally, a reliable strat to get past the first room

[wild pine]

There was a scripted event where you were forced to start with poseidon call. I always hated hitting that one.

[mystic bison]

Yeah but IIRC that was still early game and you were learning the game at that point so you would have had no idea about good builds or anything

[spare kite]

You can't start with calls in 1 (unless you reroll for it or the poseidon forced event that introduces them)

Is a one time thing vs selene being funny

[wild pine]

Yeah but I did occasionally re-roll and then take a call because I got nothing else I wanted

Or because of the horrible heat option that steals your boon choices

[spare kite]

Fair on that one
Resets/modded is common for that

I'm glad ap isn't back lmao

[civic ocean]

I think they'll just make Hexes really good

[plain fossil]

I wonder if i would enjoy hexes more if they all had the same cast point as, say, your normal cast, and no slowdown

[mystic bison]

Yeah I doubt they'll completely change them

But good or not I still don't think they should be in the start room imo

[tired fulcrum]

Calls were good in 1, zeus/dio/athena mostly. Instant cast + iframes + not requiring extra investment like hexes do made them good

[opal saffron]

Does feel bad for builds that dont use magick (though not using magick isnt the point of the game unless you are doing high fear)

[civic ocean]

They're just like obviously not as powerful as the other stuff that generally appear in their spots

[plain fossil]

I have more zero mana runs recently than normal runs lulw

[civic ocean]

So they're a rough take

[lusty heron]

heal in general and phase shift in olympus route are quite good

its just the damage ones that are awkward

[glossy rivet]

should i use origination if im going for spiteful strenght?

[mystic bison]

Unless you can easily proc it from sources other than your main dmg then I don't think so

[plain fossil]

Its funny when i was just starting h2 i was like MOON WATER OP now im like man this thing so sad vow of scars beating me up

[glossy rivet]

heph needs blast (so, sprint) then vent to get a curse with spiteful strength
hera also needs either sprint or getting hit to apply hitch without atk/special

[mystic bison]

Other than Momus what else?

[lusty heron]

medea imo can be done without mana

[mystic bison]

Aphro gain has a constant curse on bosses if you can fit that in

[plain fossil]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[mystic bison]

Yeah Medea is possible

[plain fossil]

I also been playing zero mana mel skulls which seems reasonably legit

[mystic bison]

So just special spam?

[plain fossil]

Electric swirlies for years

[lusty heron]

btw fun fact you can parry with artemis even without mana

[mystic bison]

The specials are rough on the torches man, I hate that I can't dash cancel them so much

[lusty heron]

i just enjoy eos torches alot

[mystic bison]

At least Momus staggers, and I've learned to play around it

[plain fossil]

Theyre pretty fast, its not like ur charging some 17 year axe special

[mystic bison]

Yeah but it takes some getting used to

[opal saffron]

Eos goes hard with demeter omega attack buff and good magick regen, really fun

[cursive oyster]

eos is life

[plain fossil]

And yea i mean i crutch on demeter cast but who doesnt

Demeter best god, fite me

[cursive oyster]

real

[mystic bison]

I find aiming the skulls pretty hard from range

[opal saffron]

Demeter had the best glowup in boon quality from the first game

[cursive oyster]

i just started with born gain and held down lclick for the entire run

[opal saffron]

Thats what Im talking about

[plain fossil]

I didnt rly have much trouble, they explode etc

[broken pier]

I like how heroic born gain lvl 2 = infinite mana lol

[opal saffron]

Then you get hestia and her duo boon with hera that just endlessly triggers for free mega scorch and suddenly 32 fear is gone

[cursive oyster]

i literally had it at rare level 2 and never ran out of mana once

[opal saffron]

Yeah born gain absolutely needs to get nerfed it's ridiculous

[spare kite]

buff the other gains first

[plain fossil]

If they nerf born gain they need to buff the rest of the hera package

[broken pier]

hard disagree, all the recharge ones need to work while you're channeling, and the demeter one needs to work while you're just regular walking at least

[plain fossil]

She has decent attack/special boons, born gain, and a pile of absolute asscrack

Right now if i dont NEED born gain i really dont want to click hera

[mystic bison]

Ideally I'd want a mild BG nerf and a general gain buff across all gods

[cursive oyster]

hera is nice for pstatus at least

[opal saffron]

They would still not compare, born gain gets exponentially better the higher your base magick to where it feels infinite with it as like a lvl 2 rare

[broken pier]

I like hitch but I feel it needs a bump, maybe to 40% shared dmg, her sacrifice + levels boon is good, and I like the one that gives you raw dmg % if no common boons

[opal saffron]

But the others do need those buffs yes

Any engagement ring enjoyers in the chat

[mystic bison]

The way the game is right now, if you don't get Born Gain you are always settling for less, it should never feel like that

You should always gravitate towards the gains of gods you need for that particular run, not always hoping for Hera

[cursive oyster]

i think “gain x mana when killing a hitch afflicted foe” would be fun but maybe too hard to use in boss fights

[broken pier]

I can't figure out how tf that works, I thought it did on cast dmg but did nothing

[cursive oyster]

when enemies spawn they get hit for x damage while cast is out

[broken pier]

so u have to put the cast down while they're still yellow portaling in?

[opal saffron]

It deals damage to the latter waves of enemies, nothing to those that already joined the room

[cursive oyster]

yep it really sucks

[broken pier]

yeah that's dumb af lol

[opal saffron]

Nahhhh Im an engagement ring believer

[cursive oyster]

the timing isn’t super precise because it makes the cast last ten years.

[broken pier]

I thought it was supposed to dmg mobs that walked into the active cast circle, like barbed wire type deal

[cursive oyster]

downside- your cast lasts 10 years.

[mystic bison]

No, it deals dmg to all enemies

[opal saffron]

I've used it in fields of mourning when the wave starts to instantly know where things are spawning cause it draws a line to every enemy it hits

[broken pier]

only ones that spawn inside it though right? = terrible

[opal saffron]

It kills litterally the entirety of the last phase of scylla which looks funny

[karmic gust]

my biggest disappointment is extraordinary talent omega axe not doubling my damage. just extends the duration

[mystic bison]

I think Engagement Ring would be better if it also inflicted Hitch

[opal saffron]

No, anywhere on the map

[mystic bison]

No it deals dmg to everyone everywhere

[opal saffron]

Also that's an upside in my book

[broken pier]

Oh it just needs to be active when they spawn in, okay that's at least a LITTLE better

[mystic bison]

It doesn't matter if the enemy is in the circle or not

[opal saffron]

I mean Ive had a cast build where engagement ring was doing upwards of 500 damage it was kinda crazy

[broken pier]

I thought it was saying you needed to run and lay a mouse trap as soon as the wave starts xD

[opal saffron]

Definitely not the greatest thing ever still but its fun

[cursive oyster]

here’s what i think: since a lot of gods change how your cast area works (super nova, lightning lance), the “cast lasts longer” part could be its own boon, and the cast itself should be stronger/reworked

[broken pier]

Imo heph cast is the best one I've tested so far

smaller but guaranteed dmg without charging omega puts it over for me

[karmic gust]

that is certainly one of the hotter takes ive seen

[cursive oyster]

i’m a fan of demeter and hestia casts

[broken pier]

Demeter is 2nd for me, and hestia 3rd but only w air quality

[opal saffron]

Yeah uh hestia / deleter is the godly non omega cast combo

[karmic gust]

deleter 😂

[opal saffron]

Its the easiest privileged staus activator ever

[opal saffron]

Oh this was a misstype but Im gonna start calling her that now

[broken pier]

is priv > the dmg when not max mana one?

[cursive oyster]

demeter offers cyclone for the other half of pstat with one button, hesta can give you ranged scorch plus slow which is really strong for setting up a nuke

[cursive oyster]

yeah, that only affects base attack and special, not omegas, and origination affects all damage, you can also just use them both

[broken pier]

stuff affecting base been catching me unawares, like the hammer for skull special w -30 dr

[cursive oyster]

yeah

[broken pier]

I noticed my regular charge was doing more dmg than my omega like uhhh somethings wrong

[opal saffron]

If it only affects the regular attack it will say "Attack" instead of "AttackS", the S is really important

This rule is consistent across every boon as far as I'm aware

[broken pier]

I noticed the blurb about charging the skill is missing when it doesn't affect omega so I've just been paying attention to that, didn't think to check my arcana

Alright, moved arcana around, two left, Lovers vs Furies

dmg to cast mobs prolly better right?

[glossy rivet]

colossus tackle makes normal special do more dmg than omega speciall?

[broken pier]

yeah lol

it was like 114 vs 100

[cursive oyster]

both lovers and furies are essential imo but like if you have to pick lovers is better

coming from someone with a skill issue

[opal saffron]

Furies is better imo but I usually end up having both with 30 grasp

Furies synergizes better for me cause when I have origination + the hestia/demeter cast, the cast button becomes an instant superdamage zone in an instant

[broken pier]

I can do Death Lovers Furies and activate messenger

Or

I can do Excellence Queen Divinity + Furies or Lovers

[opal saffron]

Only take death if you know youre gonna use it

[spare kite]

death feels like a scam tbh

tho I don't bother with divinity anymore tbf

[broken pier]

This is for persephony skull I'm trying so I'm gonna be nothing but omega special

[opal saffron]

Basically you either take the huntress or death depending on if youre going for omega or regular damage

Since the huntress doesnt boost omega damage (since it doesn't have the S in AttackS)

Btw I am 100 hours and 100 runs in and there is only one thing in this entire game Ive not tried yet, being the artificier arcana card, anyone got any comments on it ?

[broken pier]

I like getting epic like every roll so I think imma keep divinity + lovers, I'm still cast averse so once i get in better practice with it i might switch over

[broken pier]

It makes minor rooms feel less pointless, but the 6 grasp cost is waaay too high for what it does, esp if ur on the fear that deletes unchosen boons

I hate thinking cool I have time to do the dual boon room in tartarus only to get 90 gold x2

[upper shuttle]

does spending on well of charon count toward the tickets?

[broken pier]

idk how those are triggered, I only get them when I buy stuff 150+ from charon himself

I've never gotten one from a well

[upper shuttle]

I think for ever 1000 gold spent

but dk if gold spent on wells count

[broken pier]

hmmmm I only ever use wells to heal or summon chaos for the most part, but I def haven't got a ticket from a well and I'm sure as much as I use them I would've triggered it at least once

[cursive oyster]

word of warning- glory charges up incredibly slow. play persephone with something like zeus cast and reserve the omega special for when you need a nuke

[wild pine]

Honestly though the +30% damage to the omega spesh is always on and is quite nice, and very nice indeed if you get the boomerang hammer

[broken pier]

That's why I'm testing it I noticed medea said special(-s) and wasn't actually helping my omega spam

[cursive oyster]

it’s +30% damage to all omegas which makes cast builds good on it

omega special should also work tho

[broken pier]

medea it seems is only meant to be click spammy, where I like the charge and tackle playstyle a lot more, so I'm trying persephone out

I like low apm builds xD

[low bear]

is air quality any good paired with stuff like demeter's whirlwind/cast or hestia's burns?

[wild pine]

yes

[broken pier]

hestia air quality is op lol

[low bear]

oh I see

I kinda wanna try that build out now

[wild pine]

OP seems like an overstatement to me, but I'm no expert

[plain fossil]

The damage and mobility is great, i wouldnt call it op because clicking hestia and zeus in the same run is pretty glasscannony so u cant ever turn ur brain off

[wild pine]

That, and it takes a long time to assemble all the pieces

and it doesn't scale up super gracefully

[plain fossil]

Yer the power curve is pretty horrendous i cant disagree

[glacial pike]

Axe with thanatos aspect + death arcana + aphrodite close attack + omega attack is disgusting

[low bear]

bad weapon aspect or one you don't like = slap storm ring and win anyway lol

[plain fossil]

Storm ring v strong 👍

[low bear]

I feel kidna bad my Moros 32F run basically amounted to getting carried by storm ring lol

but I guess Moros should feel bad for being a jank af aspect too

[plain fossil]

I mean its not like ur moros 32F run is gonna get carried by moros lmao

So u need another carry

[glacial pike]

Fun fact if you equip the chaos boon and dont change it for 2 floors i think it will always give you a buff that boost your omega moves dmg by 30% if i remember correctly

[plain fossil]

Really im in a spot rn where in terms of cast boons if my build is good i want demeter, if my build is bad i want zeus, and everything else is either niche or not good

[tall notch]

Pretty much anything you could do with Moros, Eos or Mel could do better

[plain fossil]

Eh i dont think its a strictly better thing - moros is unique and theres a world where it can work - its just mechanically horrible

Imo moros would instantly be playable if new projectiles overwrote old ones instead of just not firing when ur at cap

Not good, just playable

Like if everything goes to plan moros does good damage in an area but that basically only happens when ur shooting at a mob near a wall

[tired fulcrum]

Wdym not firing? You sure it wasnt just them not going anywhere because of collision with other projectiles

[sterile portal]

funny skull glitch. got full salvo via experimental hammer, and then got fetching array through a normal hammer, and now that full salvo wore off, i stilll have it but i can fire it twice https://imgur.com/CWjDSFi

it wore off when i moved to the next location rip

[broken pier]

Persephone first run 24 cleared ezpz

Ah 20, it's darkness was 20 but for skulls 24 for some reason

[jade kindle]

Hey guys, new to hades. Are the %damage increases additive or multiplicative?

[civic ocean]

Additive multipliers for almost everything with some flat damage here and there

Crit is multiplicative.

[jade kindle]

So if I have the 50% arcana card, 100% from boon and 50% from chaos it's gonna be 200% increase in total?

[broken pier]

afaik the only time it's multiplicative are with base dmg, and a boon you can get in the last area. Crit is 3x multiplicative of the total

[civic ocean]

Yarp

[jade kindle]

I see, thanks

[civic ocean]

Power increases base damage

[jade kindle]

Ye that I figured

[broken pier]

Got staff 20, axe 20, and torches 24 to go.

I have a feeling I'm never gonna beat the torch one lol

[upper shuttle]

think I might have found a way to make a ton of gold on the surface

when heracles pops up and you have the vow of haunting don't touch any of the revenants let them respawn and keep killinh them

[jade kindle]

I assume that "enemies take more damage" is multiplicative with "you deal more damage" though right?

[upper shuttle]

I ended up only making 60gold tho cause it was fear 32 and heracles got them all

[civic ocean]

I'm not sure, I don't actually think so. Could be, though!

[jade kindle]

Will test when I get the chance, shouldn't be hard with the arcana card for damage in casts

[civic ocean]

Furies is deffo additive

[jade kindle]

Oh

[karmic gust]

I literally cannot beat crossroads in 5 mins without momus

Any tips? Other than “git gud”

(Which, I agree would be the best way to)

[upper shuttle]

crossroads?

[karmic gust]

Sorry I meant Erebus

First zone

[summer root]

Fun synergies for Medea?

[glossy rivet]

if crits are multiplicative it means it multiplies from final calculations of damage right?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[jade kindle]

Watch speed runs maybe

Axe and daggers have decent damage don't they

[glossy rivet]

i got 10 damage from say staff special and aphro makes it 30, crit is gonna count from 30?

[glacial pike]

yes

[little summit]

5 minutes for a generally slower paced game does feel pretty insane tbf, and it was no cakewalk in 1

[glossy rivet]

nic thats cleared up

[little summit]

are you playing witb any other vows active?

[tired fulcrum]

Generally take free rooms like midshop/arachne/chaos and also take minibosses. Pause when making decisions. Use huntress for weps that dont omega spam. Grouping up enemies so you can kill them all at once and charging up omega casts during spawnwaves can help. Also pray that you dont get hex start

[tired fulcrum]

Also 5 min timer was a lot easier in 1 tbh

[little summit]

i still found it pretty challenging there as a decentish player, but yeah this ones definitely significantly harder

[summer root]

No silly builds besides aphrodite for Skull of Medea?

[broken pier]

Man the heph boonless buff with double moonshot is really goooooood

[plain fossil]

Its good with any setup its just got two issues: 1) it comes online a lot later than playing normay b) it doesnt turn on origination

[summer root]

Hey for the Poseidon Aphrodite duo, is there anything specific from Poseidon you need to get to cause it to show up?

[broken pier]

his attack cast special or sprint

[summer root]

Thank you!

[broken pier]

aphro u need the attack or special

then its just luck

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568 - I use this to reference duo and legendary reqs

[tawny stag]

i just did 2 fear with the axe and the nightmare didn’t spawn it was for eris and everything

[vale shard]

F10

[broken pier]

f10 to report if it didn't drop after you picked the g-apple and she was your 2 fear target

[flat epoch]

Anybody have any recommendations for vows to take for 16/32 fear? I feel like the combo I have right now is kicking me in the shins rn, it doesn't feel good to play

[plain fossil]

Very weapon and setup dependent

What are u using rn

[thorny widget]

Bashing my head against the Trial of Heartache with Eos vs Eris. Really feeling no Death Defiances, even with prioritizing HP. I feel so weak with the Torches that when she summons armored enemies it's a huge setback. With no DDs when she buffs herself three or four times I really start to panic. Ugh

[karmic gust]

If there was a way to have 2 attack boons, 2 special boons, and 2 cast boons, what would be the best combination

[karmic gust]

Thanks! I’m really bad at not pausing lmao

[broken pier]

God I hate torches so freaking much lol

[thorny widget]

I'm torn between leaving the trial of heartache for when they inevitably retool either torches or the trial itself ... vs continuing to bash my head against it until I get lucky and have bragging rights that I completed the trial pre-patch

[karmic gust]

try apollo eos + long range cast (that procs origination), it shreds

[thorny widget]

No Apollo in the trial, I only ever get Aphrodite, even in 'random' boon bags

And no Arcana... for some reason.

[karmic gust]

practice against eris outside the trial first, shes honestly not too bad once you get used to her. also shes super bad at turning, stand in her face and dash through her while you shoot when she does the shotgun attack

[karmic gust]

wait oh ur talking about the trial, mb

see what i wrote above ^

[wise nest]

pan

[violet temple]

I need to know if I'm going insane, is it just me or is 32 surface a lot harder than underworld

[thorny widget]

I've found that the timer is a lot more difficult in the surface

[violet temple]

yeah I'm forced to use 9min

the extra heat that I need to put elsewhere makes a big difference it's crazy

[ionic moon]

fury (the move speed) also feels harder on surface

[broken pier]

At least that time I got to Chronos lol, even though poseidon dash carried me in the rooms 10000%

[low nova]

does anyone use blackened fleece as their keepsake? ive been using that + the knives because the 40% damage on the omega special is really nice

[ashen timber]

Holy crap I was right... Zeus Aphro duo is just like the old ares/athena duo... Just deleted the sirens by dashing through them a bunch

That was fun

I'll admit, its a little slower, not having a double dash, but it still works

[plain fossil]

Ur fear setup should be different for surface

Timer and wandering monster sucks, revenant and onion is better

[plain fossil]

Its a good tartarus keepsake

[wild pine]

I do sometimes run Blackened fleece in Tartarus, yes. Other times knuckles, antler, tooth, or even hammer

[plain fossil]

I dont mind pin if i need a defensive keepsake for tartarus

[broken pier]

Asphodel on 40% enemy speed is horrid and I hate it

[plain fossil]

So did i until ppl told me u can just fail it

[cursive ruin]

I always run fleece when using omega attack staff

[ivory mirage]

i love using blackened fleece going into Tartarus, especially if using knives or charon axe. im using it with charon axe right now

[plain fossil]

Stand outside circle for 10 seconds room done move on

[tame fern]

Wait, what?

[violet temple]

ty

[cursive ruin]

You just dont get the reward?

[broken pier]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

[tame fern]

Does that give up your room reward too?

[violet temple]

I was considering removing wandering because the skulls are my worst nightmare

[cursive ruin]

The wolves from fields are the worst for me.. them having a hitbox when they start their jump attack causes me pain

[plain fossil]

Yes

[cursive ruin]

Same for polyphemus actually

[plain fossil]

At high fear its 200% worth it tho because asphodel is troll on 40% speed

[violet temple]

with the onion, if you use a god keepsake will the next boon after the onion be the one you chose

[plain fossil]

Yes

[violet temple]

ok that's good

[plain fossil]

Uh i mean yes unless its a non god boon

[violet temple]

ye ye

[plain fossil]

So like it can still be selene or a hammer or whatever

[violet temple]

I'll run it, thanks for the advice

[plain fossil]

Its good for surface bc its only -2 boons for 3 fear

[ashen timber]

2 runs in the making, I can finally use evil eye on Chronos

[thorny widget]

How does Hera's Bridal Glow interact with the Vow of Arrogance? Does my Primed magic update with old boons' new rarity?

And I guess similar with Demeter's Rare Crop + the Vow of Arrogance, am I going to keep Priming more magic as the boons' rarity increase?

[sour cape]

https://imgur.com/lmDlPvU

Ummm I think I really messed up taking Poseidon Legendary 🥹

[plain fossil]

Oh no

[sour cape]

does Death Defiance reset my mana 😆

[thorny widget]

Tried it out, it seems the Vow of Arrogance only cares about the rarity of Bridal Glow / Rare Crop itself, not the new rarity of old boons

[plain fossil]

One might say u got too... arrogant

[plain fossil]

Yea we know, the hera infusion works the same way

Sorry i didnt see ur post above, would have clarified for u

[sour cape]

https://imgur.com/UbrzgBj Yay! Got him with normal knives 😂

[plain fossil]

Lmaoooo

Zero mana pan

[sour cape]

you do whacha gotta do 💀

yea 120 dmg splash still works, and I had Blackened Fleece so basically no trinket either

[karmic gust]

i really hope this is true, watch i do this and just insta lose my run 😂

[wise nest]

I finally hit the god build on than axe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192044068272885770/1245587433832054824/image.png?ex=66594b32&is=6657f9b2&hm=10407f83b8f886bf538ef516d4366bebe21e23e343b6054a942fdd78393d1bc6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1121&height=631
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192044068272885770/1245589014702981130/image.png?ex=66594cab&is=6657fb2b&hm=50571dbde6c7ae7b10b4a694e342a2801a481c63f6d90fffb407e747394317f3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

Psychic + furious + ichors go brr

Even got weed killer and the other boons for extra damage

[bleak night]

I love the sound of Apollo Axe

the general sound effects on Apollo attacks are just really lovely

[wise nest]

Gonna be real with you, I would've done aph or hera but like... extra dose gambling

[plain fossil]

I dont mind apollo at all on axe i would click it more over hera except the gain is a bit worse

[bleak night]

It's definitely a preference thing, yeah. I do think Apollo is top 3 on Axe attack though

[wise nest]

I didn't bother testing it but does apollo actually make the attack/spin hitboxes bigger

[bleak night]

It definitely does, yes

[plain fossil]

My controversial opinion is that aph is not top 3

[bleak night]

what's your top 3 on Axe attack then ?

[plain fossil]

Hera apollo demeter in that order

[wise nest]

The range to trigger it is pretty short to the point where even a basic axe attack doesn't trigger it sometimes

[plain fossil]

Demeter is low dps but its very safe and sometimes it lets u click third hit

[bleak night]

I like Dem too much on Cast

[wise nest]

or even special

[plain fossil]

So do i, and im fine with it on both

[bleak night]

I think Heph on special is just way too good atm

[plain fossil]

God efficiency!

[wise nest]

you can flash block on an enemy to freeze it or omega to freeze the whole room

What is the heph scaling on special anyway

[plain fossil]

400, starts at 20 sec goes down pretty low but u dont scale it

[wise nest]

it'd be nice if the codex had the numbers for different rarities

[bleak night]

You can have it crit on Than

It's funny when the 950 damage pops up on special tap

[wise nest]

Oh right poms only change the time

[plain fossil]

Ye ur allowed to click vent if u want

Mynt probably does because he plays at 500 fear and has to run in circles all day, i usually have other things i wanna click first because i get to play at normal human being fear lul

[wise nest]

Personally I'd love if axe could just be faster at base so fo2 isn't misery incarnate

[bleak night]

But for real, here's a vid. Special Heph is actually quite good. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242788851676876811/Eris_45_Fear.mp4?ex=66590010&is=6657ae90&hm=0b5a0559afaea21538b4641b247200d51b626dda5907ac692a7a1b49b044d426&

[plain fossil]

No i mean i dont mind special heph like ur clicking heph anyway, i just dont usually click vent because theres so much other stuff i want on heph

[bleak night]

oh, idt I had Vent on this one

I don't really like Vent since he usually offers me good defensive boons instead

[plain fossil]

Well my logic is that special heph is 400 damage every 20 seconds, if thats worth clicking then surely 500 damage every 20 seconds must be worth at least considering

[bleak night]

I suppose it depends on the weapon. I only like Heph on special for Axe because there's kinda not much else that's worth tacking on there unless you have no Dem Cast and only have Special

Charon is, of course, a very different story

[plain fossil]

Well is it worth just straight up clicking no special?

I typically dont click special on than now i think about it

[bleak night]

Def not, no. I need to parry things because the weapon itself doesn't have much flexibility atm

[wise nest]

If you get great enough other boons every other time, then why not

[bleak night]

the parry having no startup or endlag makes it worth putting into your rotation

[plain fossil]

Uh no sorry i mean no boon obviously u press the button

[bleak night]

Ah, then you can forego it for better defensive options for the most part. I just think it's fun to have an extra button for damage in a pinch

[wise nest]

Parry is based and cool though, I love evo moment 37ing chronos' orbs

[bleak night]

LET'S GO JUSTIIIIIIIIIN

[wise nest]

Chronos, shortly before getting clipped: "you're not Daigo"

[plain fossil]

Jwong over here just holding down the parry button lmao

[timber pawn]

About to be boomed for 6k damage

Artemis is a fantastic aspect, so satisfying to use

[wise nest]

artemis is super fun

Honestly, I wish the aspect buff was clean kill instead of channel speed

Also do attack speed modifiers affect channeling at all or only the actual animation of the attack

[timber pawn]

The channel speed is so you can turn off the time slow on omegas, which I always forget to do, to make proccing parry easier

[timber pawn]

I believe it does not affect channeling, just the actual attack/special animations

So relevant in axe, for example, speeding up the charged special animation is a big deal since it's a big slow attack

[wise nest]

Yeah

[wise nest]

It isn't hard, you can just dash directly into an attack during timeslow + chronos isn't slowed down

tbh the single point of grasp feels more than worth it over the course of a run, especially since the % boosts from origination and casts aren't as big for artemis as they are for pan

[thorny widget]

Does Selene's hex "Moon Water" heal even if you have the Vow of Scars that prevents healing? I know the Aspect of Momus heals anyway

[wise nest]

Especially at high heat the cheese from blades slowdown is huge

[thorny widget]

But I don't want to waste a hex if it does zippo

[wise nest]

I think it'll still be reduced/stopped? but you can try it out

Ways of healing through blocked heal are usually more niche/roundabout than that

[thorny widget]

Mm I'm trying 32-heat for the first time, I'll take the risk some other run lol

[analog ether]

Yes, the vow reduces the healing hex

[wise nest]

Momus and the moros pin in this game, and guan yu/stubborn defiance in the first game

[thorny widget]

Drat. Well, thanks for letting me know before I wasted my hex slot. I'll grab Phase Shift instead

[wise nest]

tbf I wouldn't recommend blocking healing entirely if you're pushing heat until later on

We don't have stubborn defiance as a base mirror/altar ability in this game

And a big reason it's taken in the first game is specifically because you can use stubborn defiance to get around it and regularly heal yourself throughout a run

[broken pier]

I just got the last of my arcana fully upgraded, it seems like there's nothing really worth turning in for charons coupons now?

[wise nest]

Yeah prety much

The only exception is like fate fabric if you have any pot recipes that use it still

But I doubt you'd get to that point before fully upgraded arcana

[broken pier]

nope, just the dissolution of time one, lol, somebody posted 100 time sands lol, I wonder if that

will be enough xD

[wise nest]

It isn't. You need entropy and that isn't in the game yet. It'll be in the final game; that recipe is for making Chronos finally fully killable so they can't have it this early yet

[warped egret]

this is kind of minor but
when you have an atk boon, does the god's little motif play everytime you attack? ive been playing for hours and never noticed it but hera's boon does that and its kinda distracting.

[wise nest]

Yeah, hera's is just annoying because SQUAWK

[warped egret]

😭
i think its a cat
but its so much more distracting than a lil ding because i genuinely have never noticed a boon ding everytime i attack

[glad sphinx]

Yo! Shoutout to @civic ocean for your incredible spreadsheet/guide.

Cleared 32 fear for the first time (never managed this in the original game).

Did Momus (my go-to aspect anyways) but plucked up the courage to keep my health low to activate the Strength Aracana and use the White Antler keepsake for the very first time.

I think I lost 2DDs before reaching the fields - but by then I started annihilating stuff to a degree I hadn’t thought possible. Felt like I was controlling an actual demi-god.

Chronos at 40% speed is no fun though. Brought me within one hit of dying - but I got him first 😅

No so much luck on the surface with the same build yet (aiming for that final statue!).

[civic ocean]

WHO DARES DISTURB MY SLUMB-Oh cool congrats

[analog ether]

Really hoping that they get rid of the Lubber as one of the possible Ephrya Courtyard spawns.

[civic ocean]

Which one lubber

[analog ether]

The barrel chucker

[civic ocean]

Is that the DK barrel tosser

They're tough for sure

Sometimes Poly summons them and then it's time to lock in

[analog ether]

I'm not even talking about the normal battle maps, I'm talking about the central courtyard with the barrier.

[civic ocean]

Sometimes they get you from downtown yeah

Kobe!

[analog ether]

Sometimes enemies will spawn there. Most of them don't do anything unless you actually attack them.

The Lubber will immediately aggro, and because their throw doesn't interact with terrain, you won't know that you're under attack until suddenly the barrel appears on screen and they're about to hit you. And they hit hard.

Surprise artillery strikes are not fun.

[civic ocean]

my favourite is listening to the fire clank on my armor while I use the bats

[merry flint]

is there an indicator for when origination is active?

[civic ocean]

yes, visual and audio

[merry flint]

so what is it

the game clearly isn't belting out the better call saul theme when origination is up

[civic ocean]

visual is the orange square from Hades 1 over their model and audio wise it's like a on-hit swishy sound

[analog ether]

I also think that enemies shouldn't spawn in the exact same spot that you are returning to, but that's a somewhat separate thing.

[merry flint]

thanks

[civic ocean]

you can also see the statuses over their heads too

[wise nest]

sometimes? I thought they were always spawned-

[civic ocean]

oh idk I dont do surface that often and when I do I am dialed in on fragging Poly

[crimson glacier]

If you're wearing armor when a Doomed Chaos blessing triggers, the armor absorbs all the damage and your regular health is unaffected. I just had Doomed Celebrity: for the next 2 encounters, clear all enemies within 120 seconds or take -500 damage. The 2nd encounter was a Guardian so I took the hit while wearing 40 HP worth of armor. Doomed Celebrity only took out the armor, so it only dealt 40 damage instead of 500 and costing a Death Defiance.

[wise nest]

Speaking of bs random damage, there's the one tartarus room with a laser pillar in the middle that spawns laser directly on you as you enter the room

[civic ocean]

this is very funny, the Hero Laser

[wise nest]

yeah, he summons fatsos after phase 1 and then armored ones after phase 2

[plain fossil]

Ye this is normal. U cannot ever take more damage than the amount of armour u have this also works on chronos oneshots.

[analog ether]

Honestly, most of the surface enemies feel much more annoying.

[wise nest]

tempus is absolutely satanic though

Might actually be my most hated enemy

[civic ocean]

https://imgflip.com/i/8s6rje

[analog ether]

Eh, of the Chronos enemies I find them the least infuriating.

[wise nest]

Have you experienced them with vow of commotion

[analog ether]

Annoying, yes. But I've been far more annoyed by most of the Satyrs, and Thugs deciding to ignore my Cast.

[plain fossil]

The most troll mob with vow of commotion is probably hippo in erebus

[wise nest]

Satyrs and thugs are welcome

Tempus on high heat is misery because they cover each others' blindspots and the damage is literally everywhere

[plain fossil]

For me the only annoying hourglass is chronos hourglass

[analog ether]

The teleporting Numbskulls and the rats....

[civic ocean]

Thugs are kinda lame just because they no sell your control stuff unlike every other mob except the boulders

[wise nest]

I would simply demeter cast them

[civic ocean]

They don't get frozen

like they get slowed but they still hit u

[wise nest]

Slowing them to a crawl makes it easier to maneuver into a spot to hit them and start chain hitstunning though

[civic ocean]

yeah they just annoying

[analog ether]

Meanwhile on the surface, you also have teleporting stuff, the skulls that move so fast they might as well be teleporting, and the anchors and harpies who can literally cover over half the map with their attacks.

[civic ocean]

The surface enemies are definitely Chronos' best which makes sense because like they're his army yeah

[plain fossil]

I dont wanna talk about harpies in ephyra

[wise nest]

Armored harpies with a melee weapon are genuine hell on earth

[civic ocean]

do u guys go for the shade rock in ephyra right away

[plain fossil]

Depends on the room

[native sparrow]

Okay idk if I'm just getting terrible rng or if I'm missing something I need to have, but I have found it impossible to get Hermes legendary boon? Like, I managed to get 7 Hermes boons on one run and rerolled some of them multiple times. I've even started deliberately losing death defiance before getting a second boon from him in case that's it but nothing

[abstract glade]

Teleporting skulls and hourglasses are generally fine except if you get that room where a 100 of them spawn

[plain fossil]

Small rooms yes big rooms i wait for fresh wave usually

[wise nest]

shade rock?

Oh, the pylon

[analog ether]

Gods help you if it's a room that frontloads all the enemies at once.

[low bear]

Double attack feels so much better to play than double special for staff imo

[wise nest]

who's gonna tell them

[civic ocean]

I always go for it right away sometimes its really funny I kill it and then Heracles shows up and ruins the blast

[wise nest]

like, comfort wise, engagement/fun wise, or strength wise-

[plain fossil]

Like theres one long thin narrow room on the left side of ephyra which has a ton of mobs and its horrendous trying to deal with that first wave without popping the pylon

[civic ocean]

double attack is kinda based for staff tbh it's interesting the staff has all of these insane basic attack hammers and no aspect support

[plain fossil]

Yea ikr

[low bear]

Fun wise I just like having the aoe of the attack. I recognize that Momus/Double is stronger though

[wise nest]

they're all spear ports

Flurry, triple, etc

[plain fossil]

Well technically momus works doesnt it

[low bear]

Double attack + Rapid Attacks = Bliss

[wise nest]

Stop making me miss achilles

[civic ocean]

I hope they stay there's some really cool stuff you can do with double attack + rapid attack + poseidon waves + global dmg%

[wise nest]

problem is that's just double moonshot momus with extra steps 😔

def cooler though

[low bear]

Fumnily enough Circe was griefing my run by diaabling Huntress and Zeus boon lmao

[civic ocean]

Well yeah but like Momus is pretty obviously getting like kablammo'd if they do an aspects patch yeah?

[plain fossil]

Double moonshot might be out of line tbh same as hook knives

I dont like it when hammers are significantly better than double damage

[low bear]

Feels like momus is balanced enough without double

[wise nest]

hook knives is good but concentrated flurry is definitely better

[low bear]

Is con better than hook? Not with Poseidon no?

[wise nest]

Massive magick cost reduction + damn near instant channel time

[plain fossil]

Thats boundless flurry

[wise nest]

Is it

I forgor names I just know it had flurry in the name

[civic ocean]

I actually haven't played Blades enough to get super into it but I suspeeeeeect Hook Knives is the best one

[plain fossil]

Which is fine but no, hook knives is like triple damage its way out of line

[wise nest]

Is concentrated the straight-ahead one

[plain fossil]

I do like boundless tho

[civic ocean]

conc is +power

[wise nest]

Ah

[civic ocean]

Sureshot is straight, boundless is cost reduc

[plain fossil]

No its the +4 per hitting same target i think its actually bugged atm? Someone said so

[wise nest]

Boundless feels better for high fear once you're taking magic penalty vows + dealing with fo2

[broken pier]

I think the aoe knife one is the best one by far

[civic ocean]

The knives work super weird with Pan atm because there's like a minimum target range for the cast thing and so stuff like Spiral works weirdge with it

[broken pier]

the 16 knife spread with pan feels super good

[civic ocean]

Mathematically speaking, Hook Knives is the best I'm fairly certain

[wise nest]

Spiral is turboweird

[civic ocean]

But I think the build I wanna play on blades works better on Art than Pan so Pan is retired for now

[plain fossil]

I enjoy playing art more than pan

[wise nest]

Actually, doesn't hook also make them pierce better

[plain fossil]

However i do accept that pan is stronger

[wise nest]

This is based, lots of cool aspects are weaker than the top tier ones

[broken pier]

Pan hook + spread w no cast on aphro is the best dps imo, you just get right on top of somebody and it hits them 42 times

[wise nest]

Eris rail >>>>>>>> Hestia but Hestia cool factor >>>>>>>>>>> Eris

[civic ocean]

I think Art Antler sounds super good

[rough fjord]

Hestia rail my beloved

I played with auto aim off and would always miss the reload shot

but it was still my favorite 😭

[wise nest]

Is it 70% crit chance, I forget the antler number

[wise nest]

🤝 hestia is super based

[civic ocean]

I liked Hestia it was really good for me but I only did EM4 one heat at a time and stopped around 26 or smth

[faint ginkgo]

Does anyone have any tips on how to dodge Hecate’s curse? I can usually dodge enough after I get cursed that it’s not an issue or use Frinos as a buffer, but it’s still baaad.

[rough fjord]

dodge through it

[wise nest]

pick an axis (up/down or right/left) and just dash through it repeatedly that way

[rough fjord]

I usually sprint a bit after each dodge then double back

[civic ocean]

YES

You can dash through it, come at it directly

-you will unlock something in the future that can block it

-you can also lead it into one of the witches she summons and it will transform them instead!

[wise nest]

BUT since you're using frinos, you can very easily just put him between you and hecate after you finish 2nd phase

[wise nest]

They already said they have frinos

[plain fossil]

Yea i mean by far the most reliable thing to do is frog it

[wise nest]

easiest too, because you can see when you're nearing 1/3 of her health and be ready to line him up with her

[faint ginkgo]

[jotting down notes] thanks, everyone! Appreciate the help.

[rough fjord]

dodging it is risky bc the duration is the same and the fight is more dangerous at that point with all the witches summoned

[civic ocean]

What I do in my head is after I hit Hecate with my first combo of the 2nd round (so after I kill the witches once and she's at like half HP) I try to use my peripheral vision to keep track of where Frinos is so I know to dash-sprint to him

[wise nest]

vow of commotion...... pain

[plain fossil]

Yep this, it takes like 3 fights then u dont forget after

[wise nest]

You can also get unlucky with hecate's phase attack and it'll be one that screws you trying to dodge back and forth against the curse

[bleak night]

[civic ocean]

Also if you have like 3 hp left and it's on a timer, or if you don't have frinos and you know she's not using the big circles, you can just facetank it and then either die or just avoid the noid

[wise nest]

hear me out

is it possible to kill all the witches with tree headbutts before you transform back

[plain fossil]

Expanding ring <<<<< ground wave projectiles < small explosions <<<<<<< large explosions in terms of damage taken on hecate

Large explosions stun u as a sheep why do they stun u

[low bear]

Yeah concentrated means +power per hit iirc

[civic ocean]

I get got by the ring all the time lmao

[plain fossil]

Lmao

[wise nest]

wait huh

[civic ocean]

I get it mixed up with her normal ring and take dmg killing the witches

[plain fossil]

I think this is a personal potato moment rather than any objective difficulty lul

[wise nest]

Like you forget the phase change one has more range?

[civic ocean]

Yeah

[wise nest]

I can see it yeah

[civic ocean]

I take unneccesary dmg on Hecate all the time TBH I think she's the most annoying fight for me in underworld other than that goddamn serpent

[rough fjord]

! https://streamable.com/plgb19

[plain fossil]

In terms of embarrassing dps taken for me recently its been a1 thornwitch

Ive eaten too much swipe damage from that tentacle

[civic ocean]

I just let bro hurt me to do the fight faster sometimes

[wise nest]

uh oh is the easiest miniboss 🙏

Which is weird considering he was a total ass in hades 1

[civic ocean]

Zagreus jealous of casts

[rough fjord]

the moment i saw uh oh my heart dropped

[wise nest]

his old age has gotten to him dw

[wise nest]

wdym-

[plain fossil]

This version of uh oh is bit potato ngl

[rough fjord]

i think the boss bar popping up and the name being uh oh is my favorite moment in the game so far 😭

[plain fossil]

He has 1 attack and its somehow telegraphed and invisible at the same time

[civic ocean]

Tiny Vermin would have been easier if we could have locked him in place for 3 seconds I feel

[ionic moon]

uh oh is countered pretty hard by cast roots, and also demeter freeze being popular and good now

[rough fjord]

i was a demeter early adopter

[plain fossil]

Freeze op etc

Cold storage lowkey might need a nerf

[wise nest]

It's the fact that she has easy access to not one but two of them

• casts already being a snare makes additional cc even stronger

[plain fossil]

The only reason not to click cold storage is because it gets in the way of coarse grit

[wise nest]

cyclone + freeze + cast snare is damn near inescapable

I've had chronos do 3 dashes and still be stuck in the cast

Also why tf is that skull asssassin on the surface practically immune to hitstun

[tall notch]

At least she has a nice voice!

[wise nest]

She does but also

Has anyone noticed the sirens' backup vocals on coral crown

No wonder they drove people to jump to their deaths

I think the only reason Mel isn't enchanted is because Scylla is the main vocals (she still sounds good in that one though)

[plain fossil]

Automod does not like my opinion about skull assassin on surface

[civic ocean]

I am like super impressed with Roxy TBH do you guys know how hard it is to play drums kill people with explosions AND sing backup vocals at the same time!?

[tall notch]

I miiight have lost to sirens the first few times I reached them purely because I got too distracted by coral crown to dodge

[rough fjord]

claw out your eyes has been viciously stuck in my head for like 3 days atp

[wise nest]

that song's chorus is a tad too repetitive for me

• you hear more siren backup vocals on coral crown which is a win for me

[plain fossil]

That discussion on cast reminded me of that poor dude this morning who was like MEL TORCHES SUCK I LOSE ALL MY DD BEFORE HECATE

On further investigation: oh i dont ever press my cast button its inconvenient

[tall notch]

I hope you told him his pink aura isn't pink enough

[civic ocean]

TBF if there's one weapon in the game where u might be able to win without ever casting

[plain fossil]

Im like oh my brother u need a hug

[plain fossil]

Uh yea its momus

[wise nest]

Fellas this is an important announcement

[civic ocean]

mel torches might be 2nd

challenge run!?

[wise nest]

Vtubers are covering coral crown good lord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IwHYhaqnkQ

[civic ocean]

Wake me up when the vtubers are covering Doomed City

[wise nest]

Pan: I'm nothing without the cast

If you're nothing without the cast, then you shouldn't have it

[ionic moon]

sureshot flurry: we have pan at home

[wise nest]

sureshot with hook knives is basically just pan minus aoe

[sour cape]

https://imgur.com/lmDlPvU

I had to just cosplay Momus from this point on with Pan 💀

[civic ocean]

how did u prime 146 mana

[sour cape]

Took Poseidon Legendaty

[wise nest]

vow of arrogance go brr

[civic ocean]

this is what happens when we let the kids try to win runs in two calendar days

[sour cape]

Ended up with like 30 mana in Chronos 💀

And Born Again primed everything

[civic ocean]

Wait what did u call it

Like Born Again Christian

Im boutta start calling it Baptism

[wise nest]

which reminds me... why tf is it called born gain what does that even mean

[sour cape]

well your mana gets refilled and born again 😎

[wise nest]

that's born again, not born gain

what the hell is born gain

[sour cape]

Also had Blackened Fleece soo it was kind of disaster 💀

no trinket throwing single knife to crawl across the finish line

[wise nest]

Hot take Scylla isn't bothering anyone and should be allowed to jam out

She isn't hard camping with Charybdis like during the Odyssey, so basically nobody is going to run into her at the bottom of Oceanus

[sour cape]

Well doesnt let Mel pass

and she's like Theseus, #1 Mel hater

[tall notch]

Or maybe Mel is a #1 Scylla hater?

[sour cape]

Well its like Zag and Theseus

[analog ether]

Gods, doing 32F surface is frustrating

[sour cape]

they the only ones that the protag is rude towards

[wise nest]

Sure but Scylla isn't actively seeking out conflict like before, she's just sitting in the bottom of the ocean and jamming with her girls

[tall notch]

Tbf Zag was rude to a lot of people in the house at first

[civic ocean]

Why doesn't Scylla just get out the way

[sour cape]

Well, Mel would rather just go by but they don't let her

[tall notch]

She hates witches 😔

[civic ocean]

It's established that he at the very least like was incompetent at anything Hades asked him to do, miserable and like did something real bad to Meg

[plain fossil]

I saw u had wandering monster turned on before. I recommend turning it off

[wise nest]

The something real bad was like rejecting her

[civic ocean]

I think they were a thing and he did smth iirc

[plain fossil]

Or at least going down to wm1

[sour cape]

They dont really specify

[wise nest]

No I remember

[tall notch]

What'd you even turn up instead? Harder to find easier fear than wandering monster

[wise nest]

She was hurt because he wanted to leave, so it was a betrayal in her eyes

[plain fossil]

Onion

[wise nest]

They were already romantic and meant something to each other and Zagreus was willing to abandon her

[plain fossil]

I find wm2 to be dangerous in ephyra trying to deal with harpies when u have no build is kinda horrible

[civic ocean]

Yeah I mean he also just like isn't clear at all to anybody about why he's actually leaving so he just comes across as a spoiled prince to everyone except Achilles yeah?

[plain fossil]

U can just crash ur face into it for a bit and hope u get lucky mob spawns i guess

[sour cape]

Nyx knows

[civic ocean]

yeah I forgot nyx

[plain fossil]

I genuinely like onion in surface atm its only -2 boons and u get so many boons early in surface

[wise nest]

harpy + barrel lobber is actual hell on earth though

The amount of area denial is pain

[civic ocean]

idk I don't run surface much atm but I feel like the solution to Wandering is just "get nice with it and kill them"

[sour cape]

Wandering still kinda alrite in Ephyra, the barrel lobbers also incredibly annoying

[civic ocean]

Like I fight Polyphemus and I'm always like "oh my god this dude is so hard" but then like I have fought bro like 3 times each weapon it should be giga hard

[plain fossil]

Lul i have like 2x the surface runs as underground runs and polyphemus still hardest boss

[tall notch]

Even then you're not taking fast timer on surface so you'll have to take some nasty stuff to fill that 32 fear

[plain fossil]

He wont kill u necessarily but a1 boss being consistent -DDs on some weapons is rough

[tall notch]

I think even on surface it's hard to find easier fear than wandering 2

[plain fossil]

I go no timer and revenant 2

U can go timer 1 revenant 1 or timer 2 revenant 0 but i cant consistently beat timer 2 surface

It makes u play like a potato and take 72 from anchor boys

[wise nest]

Honestly tight deadline is the single thing holding max fear back + was what held 64 heat back for a long time

[sour cape]

What if you just go vow of Suffering and plan to just run into a fire?

[plain fossil]

I go suffering 2 and click heph

[gilded flare]

Okay, just beat Chrono for the first time.
Build was entirely Hex beam focused. Got lucky with Poseidon giving me some duplicates of the moon to get all the important upgrades in the hex talent tree

[wise nest]

All the other pacts and vows are counterable if you have the time to play safe and get through things

[wise nest]

RAH DOUBLE UP CARRY

[plain fossil]

U could argue that wm2 is easier than suffering 2

I would probably do wm2 over suffering 2 if i couldnt click heph, like if i was doing high heat charon on surface or sth

[civic ocean]

Wandering gottttta be easier

It is literally free after ephyra right

[plain fossil]

Yes

[sour cape]

i might WM2, Suffering 2 and minimize damage one

[gilded flare]

Double up is feast or famine, but it feels like it procs more often than the boon says it will

[civic ocean]

HAHA YES

[plain fossil]

But i find if u spawn yellow harpies early its horrendous

[shy summit]

had a similar experience. didn't realize beam could ever be good

[tall notch]

Tbf i just momused 32 fear surface for the cute statue and didn't touch it

[civic ocean]

yeah we gotta grind 32 surface later

[shy summit]

i feel like 32 surface is just gonna be easier

[wise nest]

surely this was a poseidon reference

[tall notch]

I don't wanna grind a route that isn't even complete

[shy summit]

you have so much more control over the build

[plain fossil]

Ive been slamming my nuts into 32f surface a bit recently i find it quite a bit harder than 32f underground

[civic ocean]

I've done it like 4 or 5 times including mel torches 5 minute timer but I musta got lucky because everyone says its impossible

[sour cape]

Honestly the damage dealt fear is really dangerous 😭

At least suffering can be countered by Trusty Shield

[wise nest]

wait how

[shy summit]

you can choose your rewards in ephyra

[tall notch]

Did you get Medea Heracles and Artemis in city?

[analog ether]

I've called it a night, but I think I had wm1?

[civic ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZ7ZupcrLk

[plain fossil]

Generic damage fear is the very last thing i would click before arcana probably

[wise nest]

you can't influence the gods anymore after you enter ephyra though

[plain fossil]

That and commotion those two can eat a d*ck

[wise nest]

Like isn't the god pool preset already

[shy summit]

you can basically prevent yourself from having a "only found two boons in erebus" situation

[plain fossil]

Man i hate how automod makes me type like a 9 year old

[shy summit]

for most builds you usually only need to rely on one god, which you can guarantee via keepsake

[tall notch]

I default to +100% dmg taken in 32f and higher

[civic ocean]

The thing I like about Ephyra is you kinda have to be a little flexy on builds yeah like you just only get 1 or 2 of the gods you want and you gotta make it work

[tall notch]

Nah this is a weapon agnostic boon stacking server

[shy summit]

in any case you just objectively get more control over your build compared to erebus with reward selection, rerolls, etc

[wise nest]

Me when I'm playing pan and don't get hestia or zeus as a second option 😩

[analog ether]

Fate rolls also do work in Ephyra.

[lusty heron]

32 surface was definitely alot harder for me

[civic ocean]

It is funny that you can basically just get a legendary of any god you want

[shy summit]

I need to try some non-momus 32 fear runs

[wise nest]

Yeah, but if you've ever spammed a bunch of rerolls on a miniboss chamber before a full god pool it'll usually be the same 2 or 3 regardless

[plain fossil]

Man thats wild to me

[wise nest]

So I'd imagine that still happens on the surface

[plain fossil]

The only way i would do that is if i was playing triple earth eos with access to fast coarse grit and oh wait i understand now

[analog ether]

I mean, half the time the mini bosses don't even show up.

[wise nest]

If you're running pan and want zeus/hestia alongside poseidon but ephyra only gives you apollo/aphrodite, I don't think you can reroll the doors into zeus/hestia

[analog ether]

And the courtyard has so many doors, you can pretty easily avoid them.

[civic ocean]

Yeah u gotta get sick with it without the ranged cast

[tall notch]

You can just dodge stuff. If you're not running scars4 too you can heal off the damage

[civic ocean]

But you also just get poseidon legendary every time in ephyra I feel

unless ur super unlucky

[plain fossil]

It would make bossing pretty horrendous i would think

Rooms im sure its better than quad damage

[wise nest]

don't you need 3 poseidon boons for king tide

[tall notch]

Lovers ❤️

[civic ocean]

Yeah but you get 8 major finds

[wise nest]

Oh right door funni

[plain fossil]

I certainly get hit more often than lovers would cover me

[civic ocean]

But if you played max blood they'd be 5 fear easier to kill right so lovers covers you easier

[plain fossil]

This seems like psycho level gameplay

[tender anvil]

What’s the highest Fear done on surface atm, out of curiosity?

[plain fossil]

I'll try it to see but im not expecting big things... i certainly get hit more than that on polyphemus lmao

[wise nest]

somewhere in the 40s I'm sure

[bleak night]

good question, actually

I've done 45 on surface, but like I can see someone doing 50 Momus up there already

[shy summit]

i can see it

[civic ocean]

I don't do bloodge on torches tbh because you can do desp 3 com 3 dom 3 in uworld pretty easy on mel torch I feel

[gilded flare]

So I had Hex beam applying Zues Blitz. Which would pop it really fast.

Then it would reapply so long as the beam was still hitting right?
My end of game stats had Hex beam at 96k and Zues attack at 86k

[tender anvil]

I did 40 on Momus early on, was a nightmare. But that was before I learned how to really play, should probably give higher fear a try now that I’m “done” with underworld

[civic ocean]

I dunno when ill be done with underworld tbh

[bleak night]

you did 40 on all aspects or something ?

[tender anvil]

45 Axe?

[bleak night]

yeah

[civic ocean]

try using a left joycon

[bleak night]

literally the only weapon I'm competent at lol

[tender anvil]

Nah, 32 all aspects and 40 all weapons. Not grinding all aspects to 40, there are some real stinkers

[sudden belfry]

for aspect of pan, would hook knives or spiral knives work better?

[wise nest]

hook

[bleak night]

I can see that, yeah.

[civic ocean]

hook knives, both work a little weirdge but hook knives gives you more damage in almost every scenarion

[bleak night]

40 on Circe sounds painful rn

[sudden belfry]

gotcha

[civic ocean]

WABS time

[wise nest]

Hook is basically guaranteed to multiply your damage unless you have ricochet knives + spiral knives gets blocked a lot with range and walls

[bleak night]

pass lol

[analog ether]

What are the odds that the number of options in Ephrya and Thessaly (doors and the like) gets reduced when they release the next surface region?

[plain fossil]

I swear WABS is just a fancy acronym for click zeus cast

[tender anvil]

Funnily enough, I did all Staff aspects at 40 already. “We’ve got Momus at home” build.

[bleak night]

probs not much. I feel like the surface allows you to scale earlier than usual by picking your major boons early, and in exchange the fights are tougher in comparison to the general location count vs. the Underworld run

[wise nest]

Oh no the base special damage is back to normal

Anyway

[tall notch]

Nah, Zeus cast is a 1 boon build. No WABSing here

[shy summit]

my feeling is that the format of surface will be two regions to create your build and two regions of suffering

like there's definitely some challenge to the first two regions in there but the scaling is so strong

[bleak night]

I honestly think I'd end up enjoying surface runs more when it's fully done

[tender anvil]

Actual hardest to 40 seem like Medea, Moros and Meli blades. From my 32 runs, didn’t really attempt 40 with them.

[wise nest]

Surely backstab damage isn't additive.... surely....

[shy summit]

same, I like that it's distinct to hades 1 runs and mixes up the formula

[plain fossil]

Surface is def feeling a lil incomplete atm esp with keepsake balance but i enjoy it a lot

[bleak night]

it definitely requires some rebalancing like maybe having the timer stop while at the plaza

[analog ether]

But then what could you get as rewards in the last two regions? As it is right now, with a bit of luck you can get nearly everything you can possibly get for a build, between the door rewards and the Hermes shrines.

[shy summit]

some poms

[civic ocean]

the bats should pause the game like super obviously

[woeful wadi]

I think I have a White Antler addiction. Been running glass cannon builds exclusively for 3 days now

[tall notch]

One of us

[shy summit]

or maybe they add some new mechanic that doesn't involve rewards

[wise nest]

pretty sure speedruns just do antler momus/pan

Genuinely wonder what aspect ranks third as far as speed

[civic ocean]

maybe the 5 min ephyra strat is to just run naked antler and just rip good gods

[wise nest]

Surely it isn't a meme run on circe/melstaff

[woeful wadi]

I use aspect of melinoe for the sister blades

[bleak night]

Medea, no ?

[plain fossil]

They can just cut down ephyra to 4 pylons when they add more stuff to surface and i kind of expect them to

[bleak night]

I see people getting sub 8 mins on Medea, with a sub 7 already in there

[wise nest]

Dang

[plain fossil]

Isnt medea faster at 32 than pan anyway

[bleak night]

bruh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRZHhLjPhns

[wise nest]

We have beowulf at home

they should give skull cshot 😎

[shy summit]

you can choose to not break the pylons in ephyra right

[wise nest]

you're stuck in the room until you do

[shy summit]

ah nvm

[plain fossil]

Sure, u can leave the pylons up

U cant leave the room until u do, but it's a choice u can make

[broken pier]

Finally 24 axe, took me like 8 runs xD