h2-builds-and-combat

[lament glade]

yeah

eris has an attack based off of it, the purple one

[tall notch]

I'm struggling with Medea because the playstyle requires being up close in a game that has a lot more melee-unfriendly stuff going for it

[lament glade]

a lot of the weapons in this game do tbh

[steel sequoia]

charon is hammering till you kill everything

[lament glade]

i really want the last weapon to be some sort of bow like a crossbow or something

[steel sequoia]

my fav rn

[lament glade]

i need to scratch that oneshot itch on basic enemies

[tall notch]

Not to the extent of Medea, Arty daggers have the flow of "charge omega special, teleport in, dash out immediately" which is way safer despite you technically being close to enemies

[steel sequoia]

i want a weird weap, something like nunchunks

[lament glade]

that’s true

it is really hard not to get hit sometimes on medea, the damage output is pretty good but there are issues

[tall notch]

And for all other weaps, my favourite aspects are ranged for a reason lol

[lament glade]

true

i think i would like momus more if it weren’t so… boring

[tall notch]

I default to mages in every fantasy game ever so the ranged preference would track

[lament glade]

i still don’t really have persephone or charon leveled much

[tall notch]

Being overtuned aside, Momus just feels kinda awkward? Like the way you can't immediately dash away when you are machine-gunning specials

[lament glade]

everything else is lvl 4-5 but those two and ceres are all 3

[lament glade]

it just makes your finger hurt

[timber pawn]

When chronos has orbs just having to wait in another zip code until they're gone is a bit unfun

[lament glade]

yeah

[timber pawn]

Tried to hit him during and you just eat 4 orbs

[lament glade]

i mean you could always omega attack but that kind of defeats the purpose

[timber pawn]

Ya

[tall notch]

Can you clear the orbs if you omega special into him?

[lament glade]

no idts

[tall notch]

or uh, does soot sprint eat them by any chance?

[low bear]

Momus hurts my thumb I hate the feeling ofjust standing there and spamming one button

[timber pawn]

Maybe a few? But you're also running medea so potentially no mp no gain

[lament glade]

also true

[timber pawn]

This might work

[lament glade]

i hate soot sprint

it just feels like both kind of janky and cheesy and it’s a feel-bad boon for me

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245089201633103883/image.png?ex=66577b2e&is=665629ae&hm=58af7f4c8254a21b069ab66a7484162cd638a99bf547deb63fc0656162a9bd28& What should I play? Dark thirst is on staff but I don't wanna play staff

[timber pawn]

It needs an orb around the play to show where you need to be to delete projectiles

[civic ocean]

play 500 hp staff

[lament glade]

axe is fun

[timber pawn]

Try the charon axe meme thing I told mynt to do

[tall notch]

What was that again?

[zenith bolt]

double up + life affirmation turning +25 max hp into +80 🤤 thanks pos

[bleak night]

you really like that build, huh ?

[civic ocean]

HAHA YES

[proven orbit]

If soot sprint worked on orbs I suspect it would be very vocally discussed so that's why I assume it doesn't work

[timber pawn]

Storm ring into local climate. Take omega attack hammers, ignore special

[bleak night]

play Persephone

[tall notch]

Is there a reason why you wouldn't play than for this? Crit chance

[timber pawn]

3s longer cast time on charon

[sour cape]

logner lasting casr around you

[tall notch]

Is that better than 20% global crit?

[timber pawn]

More coverage, that's about it. Probably worse than on than

[lament glade]

@tall notch as someone who’s never really had to keepsake grind before should i keep one on for like 3 full runs straight or just swap them out and progress little by little over another like 50 runs

[wild pine]

Glory charges with damage dealt and carries over between rooms. While you're at skelly with no boons your damage is terrible so it takes forever to charge. Also although the text description implies that glory only turns on when you fill the bar, actually the bonus duration on your omega special scales up with current glory and using the omega special discharges whatever you have built up. So if you use it as part of your routine fighting style you will keep expending your charge before you build up enough to do anything impressive.

However, the flat permanenet bonus damage to all omega moves just for equipping the aspect is nice. You can hit hard with storm ring or solar ring or weed cutter.

[cinder path]

it is funnier on charon and that is what matters

[tall notch]

I think you should pick one and do an entire run with it. Don't skip encounters

[lament glade]

discordant bell angle?

[tall notch]

Mayybe

[bleak night]

30% more damage taken noice

[lament glade]

i’m gonna run all the cards i haven’t used yet too

[tall notch]

I got 2 keepsakes left, one is discordant bell and the other is engraved pin, neither of which I really want to run

[lament glade]

so it’ll be the jankiest run possible

[lament glade]

engraved pin just does nothing, at least discordant is fun

[tall notch]

I'm like 1 encounter away from level 3 pin too so I can do it whenever

[bleak night]

play Hestia on Axe attack, make it scuffed

[lament glade]

i don’t hate myself

plus i have to finish bounties so i am gonna use axe but it’s on 24 heat so i don’t think i can completely throw

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245090404882321518/image.png?ex=66577c4d&is=66562acd&hm=c14b682ad17c79df7ee3afc5e1b2e44af144868dc93d4f10c214e6e303026b04& @civic ocean is this arcana reasonable for the attack healthstack staff?

[proven orbit]

That's why I'm grinding pointless keepsakes out of the way while being kind of forced on lower fears

[civic ocean]

yeah looks good

[lament glade]

ghost onion moment

[proven orbit]

yum

[tall notch]

Axe had a 24 heat testament? I thought only torches and daggers did

[sour cape]

i thought axe was 20 but i forget

[lament glade]

yeah i think it’s 20 mb

[bleak night]

Axe is 20

play Axe and go full drill build

[lament glade]

what’s that

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501379698458720/Drill_Axe.mp4?ex=663f83cb&is=663e324b&hm=9266711a07891c244e5f52393859995158430d9bd38497c2b0dcd6abf954703e

[lament glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144072101851054160/1245091519816274122/image.png?ex=66577d57&is=66562bd7&hm=fdc9b287e35c701dcafc4812c218c9c6a4fe573bcc589a9bbdcd9d5583db590b&

[bleak night]

judgment run

[lament glade]

they're all at common or rare 💀

yeah im gonna knock em all out at once

[zenith bolt]

❤️ https://i.imgur.com/IDDWBYh.png
makes the fact i took 300 damage from eris last run not feel quite as bad

[lament glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144072101851054160/1245091875090731122/image.png?ex=66577dab&is=66562c2b&hm=6d788b5aa626a577657b2f4257eb8a9917f729712c9197c3ecc364b6999b2f96&

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245091901405663303/image.png?ex=66577db1&is=66562c31&hm=10d0d700fdbe9c85d7421305a27949f9207702c8991a07fcb7fc56bcc6438a96& east's healthstack build about to go big

[lament glade]

wtf

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/MMGl7bn.png

[bleak night]

where is he streaming ?

[zenith bolt]

selene start + this im actually tilted from room 1 https://i.imgur.com/AQQJ0vh.jpeg

[sour cape]

Im missing Barren, what is that one even

[zenith bolt]

your arcana cards have no effect for 7-11 rooms

[proven orbit]

I desperately want to cook something like that

[bleak night]

it's for Heroic boons

[lament glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144072101851054160/1245092356173336656/image.png?ex=66577e1e&is=66562c9e&hm=d6520fcca6573dbe502e7092806cd835fe86f63136988e554fc002b082a9fd2f&

[bleak night]

it was terrible tho

[proven orbit]

it sounds funny tho

[sour cape]

Oh yikes prob why never picked it when saw it

[zenith bolt]

[lament glade]

best grasp setup

[proven orbit]

also, well, I meant something new but memetic

[tall notch]

Twitch

[proven orbit]

excellence is bait but yeah

[bleak night]

he's not live for me

[lament glade]

it's for prophecy, so's artificer the queen and judgement

[proven orbit]

Ah, I see. I have just judgement left

[lament glade]

i know they're all bait that's why i've never run them 😭

[proven orbit]

Artificer is fire smh

[lament glade]

ok and then discordant bell and aspect of than

[zenith bolt]

artificer is good it's just expensive as hell

queen is fine there are setups that can get it and not be bad

[lament glade]

wait i just realized i only have rank 3 aspect of than whoops

[zenith bolt]

judgment truly is ass though 👍

[proven orbit]

delayed gratification

[sour cape]

Judgement is Win More

need to be like after Scylla for it to be better

[merry flint]

you know if trial of doom was repeatable it would be so easy to grind

[tall notch]

He's not live atm, this was a screenshot from my run using his attack staff setup

[bleak night]

Ooooh

[lament glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144072101851054160/1245093155804807289/image.png?ex=66577edd&is=66562d5d&hm=512038266bb6378b002d51051f9bd7832740e35c83f41e92663e2a2b2b56a9c3& ok jank run goes crazy with jank vows

[brittle prairie]

It should be like the HP/MP ever few rooms or something instead of only on gaurdian bosses cause doing erebus wiyh just 3 manual activations is straight dogwater

[lament glade]

should i greed toula or do i need frinos hp

wait im getting oneshot anyways so it doesn't matter 🔥

[tall notch]

Nooooo not the +100% damage taken first hit 😭

[tall notch]

Frinos projectile block will save you!!

[ionic kelp]

Y'all think it's worth it to go after Coarse Grit for Demeter?
I feel like Earth Boons are pretty I frequent

[lusty heron]

it can be sure

hera heph demeter iirc ?

[zenith bolt]

earth is the most common element and it's on some of the strongest gods

[lament glade]

i got heph first lets goo

and its not first chamber so i can get trusty

[zenith bolt]

artemis and hermes both also have earth, to supplement whatever hera, demeter, and hephaestus give you

[bleak night]

Stack them up tbh

[lament glade]

heph special is good too

[bleak night]

What weap ?

[lament glade]

thanatos

omg i have heph and demeter already

[bleak night]

Heph Special and Dem Cast ?

[sour cape]

wtf max attack and suffering and non maxed Fury?

[bleak night]

That's close to the dream build already

[lament glade]

it's a meme run

[zenith bolt]

got my placebo, got my chaos boon, this time it'll be barren, surely https://i.imgur.com/TkIDs1J.jpeg

well. that's not barren... but i'll take it https://i.imgur.com/crQrNKp.png

[bleak night]

Nice

[spare kite]

yarn worked lmao

[zenith bolt]

i need for fated list anyway, so im not complaining

[timber pawn]

Huge

[lament glade]

didn't get it or the demeter cast but at least they're both in the pool

[zenith bolt]

note that i spent like, 6 rerolls on this

[lament glade]

ok bad news this is literally unplayable i lost every dd in one erebus room

[forest mortar]

lukewarm take: if your build sucks no death defiance will save it
however +100% attack power for the build would be game changing most of the time

[lament glade]

too much jank is real

[zenith bolt]

yeah idc about the DD, i care about the fated list

[forest mortar]

so realistically chaos legendary is between rare and epic

[bleak night]

Did Dem not give you Cast ?

[zenith bolt]

anyway i got king tide on the oceanus 2nd shop

[manic juniper]

Guys fr where do yall get DARK ? ive been with chaos like 7 times now but there was none :I

[forest mortar]

rng

[bleak night]

Just bad luck on your end

[forest mortar]

just keep doing it it will come eventually

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/jpnbQ47.png you're just unlucky

[bleak night]

I usually see it maybe once in 5 Chaos rooms

[strange kite]

so back in ancient times what people did is they would make offerings and sacrifices

[zenith bolt]

surely this time it will be barren https://i.imgur.com/L8K7YlZ.png

im gonna put on the embryo as a good-luck charm

[strange kite]

have u made ur daily sacrifices and burned ur incense?

[manic juniper]

lolo such drop, i havent seen it all game, guys do i have be further in game ?

[forest mortar]

lettuce know about your common boon offers

[zenith bolt]

nopers https://i.imgur.com/zqjLgAv.jpeg

maimed soul kinda chill though, i will take that

[strange kite]

wtf is barren?

[forest mortar]

empty basically

[zenith bolt]

For the next 7-11 Encounters, your Arcana Cards have no effect.
(heroic chaos boons)

[forest mortar]

like, a barren field

[strange kite]

holy hell

that sounds extremely bad for u

[zenith bolt]

it is. i just need it for the fated list

[forest mortar]

i mean you would be a hero to survive that in high fear and tight timers

so "heroic" does check out

[civic ocean]

https://www.amazon.ca/Blackout-Curtains-Bedroom-Portable-Stickers/dp/B0CN3JC2FK/ref=asc_df_B0CN3JC2FK/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=682994462138&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8158797848585114109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2281373112403&psc=1&mcid=36e12f1092f031a1b666cdbc703ae67f&gad_source=1

[zenith bolt]

funny

[civic ocean]

My window has a bug screen held up with duct tape

[manic juniper]

tf dude

anyway right after typing this i just got the dark 🙂 happy

[lament glade]

lkasdjf;h i beat trial of haste with 1 second left

the dps on that build is soo bad i don't understand it

[zenith bolt]

timer doesnt instakill you fwiw

[lament glade]

i got to 10 health sacrificing safety for dps though

[zenith bolt]

i see

[lament glade]

i wasn't worried about getting hit again but the timer was goofy

[zenith bolt]

mf i pick YOU every single time https://i.imgur.com/8oYhI12.jpeg

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245099943761543299/20240528204221_1.jpg?ex=6657852f&is=665633af&hm=d866c49b3315a85e25592400466e4b87b2e9ffe21ec7cfe71ef81fe86cbfe609& @civic ocean did I miss something important for the build? Felt like I was doing 0 damage

[zenith bolt]

ooo https://i.imgur.com/fy279ZL.png

[west rain]

Is it still the case that double god rooms can't give duos or legendaries?

[sour cape]

Do you always pick against him.during trial?

[zenith bolt]

i literally answered your question in the thing that you replied to

[sour cape]

Oh

I wasnt sure thats what meant. I always picked the other one

[zenith bolt]

this time it happened to be between aphrodite and poseidon but i wanted both boons

[sour cape]

I find Poseidon to be the easiest trial so tjats why 😂

[mystic bison]

Apollo and Hera also easy trials

[wise nest]

because staff dps doesn't come from omegas, it comes from funky special + hammers

[mystic bison]

Aphrodite is as awful as she was in Hades 1, and Demeter is still hell too

[sour cape]

I always pick against Zeus since he's a jerk but his trials hard 💀

[wise nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1244134220205523016/image.png?ex=66574d88&is=6655fc08&hm=cc0497d9df76cce924e2d4cde57e3eeca8c365d0c1193fcdfe2f7754e4df03d1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1123&height=631

mfw staff does 400+ damage per special

[wise nest]

demeter is miserable in small rooms but otherwise isn't really an issue

[zenith bolt]

demeter it can be hard to tell where the cyclones come from until they're already hitting you

mostly a bad visuals thing imo

[wise nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1244134220993925120/image.png?ex=66574d89&is=6655fc09&hm=cb23ae4965b1a0e74fda99d7d7caaf2514990db3831833d434414a38ee8d595e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1123&height=631
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1244134221656756276/image.png?ex=66574d89&is=6655fc09&hm=a692b7b379a1dbf1ce12cdbedf38a72e0ee913dff9a9b513019a938731a0b9bb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1123&height=631

Ludicrous build

[mystic bison]

Yep

[wise nest]

Heroic level 7 with king tide but the special still does more damage

[mystic bison]

Yeah this is the best Momus build

Pos + Zeus

[wise nest]

I think demeter and hestia are probably better as partners

[civic ocean]

Best is relative

[wise nest]

static shock is nice but most zeus boons don't really matter for momus

You scale way harder off of poseidon, hammers and special damage boosts

[mystic bison]

Static shock, lightning lance and the Pos Zeus duo is all you need

And you can always go for Hestia or Demeter on the cast

[sour cape]

Momus doesnt need much besides Poseidon

[wise nest]

Momus needs either poseidon or hammers and that's it

[mystic bison]

I mean you can play the entire run with only Poseidon on special and nothing else if you so want, I'm talking about synergies here

[wise nest]

Is lightning lance the projectile cast

[sour cape]

Lance is immediate

[mystic bison]

Yes

[sour cape]

But yea Zeus chain lightning is great too

[wise nest]

Doesn't it still get blocked by walls like a projectile though

[sour cape]

🤔

[wise nest]

I could've sworn I've had it get blocked before

Chain lightning is nice for making my monkey brain happy but as far as damage goes it actually doesn't really do too much

[sour cape]

Yea I do Poseidon, Demeter, Hephaestus

[wise nest]

Poseidon already does well with aoe and even with air quality static shock wasn't doing too much in comparison

[sour cape]

But Air Quality is good for Demeter cyclone and cast

[wise nest]

Tbf it was heroic level 7 + king tide and a stronger special

[mystic bison]

Well, Zeus is still in the support role here

Poseidon will always be your main damage source

[wise nest]

Yeah, demeter really just is mad op

TWO cc curses on one god is insane

[sour cape]

Dememter best god

[civic ocean]

have you ever actually done this

[wise nest]

coarse grit go brr

[sour cape]

Yes!

its free dmg for normal cast after all

[wise nest]

ngl if your build is going strong enough to get air quality you'll just be overwhelming it with other damage anyway

[civic ocean]

it's really easy to get Air Quality I feel

[mystic bison]

More damage is always good

[civic ocean]

if you want it that is

[sour cape]

Air is common from.Hermes too

[wise nest]

Air is only really on zeus/hermes/aphro though isn't it

[sour cape]

Apollo as well

[civic ocean]

Zeus, Aphro, Apollo, Hermes, Artemis, Chaos, Narcissus

[wise nest]

Aphro isn't really on aq builds and hermes is weird

Aren't most of artemis' earth-

[civic ocean]

Aphro is very common on Air Fryer, I play it all the time.

[sour cape]

Why not Demeter?

[wise nest]

The number of times I just want hermes or a hammer and selene sits there eating my rerolls is nuts

[wise nest]

demeter is earth

[civic ocean]

Why would you play demeter on AQ Scorch

[sour cape]

Cyclone!

[wise nest]

aq scorch was funny to do but like

[civic ocean]

You don't need more damage

[sour cape]

what you need from Aphro then?

[wise nest]

The fact that you have to build into all that while poseidon go brr is a bit rough

[civic ocean]

weak, upfront early damage, life aff, etc

[wise nest]

I did aq scorch and like

It was nice but still

[civic ocean]

Also WIND

[sour cape]

You cant even take Aphro attack or special since you need both for Hestia/Zeus duo

[civic ocean]

No but aphro happens to give these things called air elements

[sour cape]

Hmmm but you said air easy to get

[civic ocean]

Yeah part of the reason for that is you go aph lmao

[wise nest]

You don't really need extra scorch though huh

[sour cape]

Hermes and Zeus and Narc and Chaos good enougu

[mystic bison]

Narc and Chaos are rng

[civic ocean]

This is an "Eos is terrible" while not spending any mana take

[wise nest]

Oh that reminds me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1244847828107530281/image.png?ex=66574322&is=6655f1a2&hm=c4c1b08bd13a201665ae2cfca32c56050d757cb70b7e604168318dedf148dd73&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1123&height=631

what the actual build

[sour cape]

But you cant even take Aphro attack if you want the duo

Apollo for air then

[civic ocean]

Why do you need to take aphro attack what

[wise nest]

+14 power, +110% knives damage, AND boundless hook

[sour cape]

Whats her early damage coming from then?

[wise nest]

Why even duo

[civic ocean]

Passion Dash

[sour cape]

its the best way to apply scorch

[wise nest]

momus brain

[sour cape]

Passion dash that good? 🤔

[civic ocean]

You don't need the duo, but it's nice

[wise nest]

just spam special scorch

[civic ocean]

you guys poop yourselves over poseidon waves and common pash dash is more than heroic poseidon wave if you position right

[sour cape]

Poseidon waves are faster

[wise nest]

yeah pdash damage good

[sour cape]

Sure if you add Pashion dash dmg to every staff special or Dagger it would also be really good

[civic ocean]

Common pdash also gets boosted by AQ very cool

and it's air

[wise nest]

dagger is funny

[sour cape]

Pdash deals close to 30 dmg already

[wise nest]

me when knives

[civic ocean]

yeah good earlygame dmg thanks for proving my point

[sour cape]

Why not just do Zeus start for Storm Ring?

[civic ocean]

You do, depending on wep, or you start pdash

ur just happy to take aph

demeter can replace hestia but never apo/aph

[sour cape]

Id much rather have storm ring early than Pdash 🤔

[civic ocean]

you can have both actually pretty ez

[sour cape]

Uhhh how

[wise nest]

reroll god ez 😎

[civic ocean]

You start zeus and then get offered aph, or vice versa

[sour cape]

thats not too common in Erebus

[civic ocean]

it's literally as common as any other of the main 8

[wise nest]

yeah

[sour cape]

Or I'd love starting Hera and then getting Apollo on Axe

[wise nest]

and if you don't get the offer you just reroll 😎

[sour cape]

Yea which is not very

[civic ocean]

Yeah but if you're going Hera + Apollo you're not gonna sit in discord asking "But what about Hestia instead of Apollo" are u

[sour cape]

Well yes because starting Apollos more important

[civic ocean]

Because Hestia has nothing to do with the strategy you're running

Same with demeter on air fryer

I don't need origination, I don't need defense, I don't need water or earth elementals, and I don't need control

[sour cape]

Id still go Demeter if I didnt have trouble hitting air quality without another air god

And between the air gods... Apollo seems more appealing than Aphro

[tall notch]

Arty dagger gamers, how do you fight Chronos? It feels like even with increased range from that +400% dmg hammer I am missing half of my omegas because of him moving around so much

[sour cape]

I used Apollo daggers for extra range

and if you get the Legendary 👀

and kinda just kite around so can land omega, dont need to land tooo many if you critting for like 2k+

[sour adder]

I have a question with the testamen reward , if i pass from 2 to 4 directly , to i will have both testamen reward ? The one for upgrade weapon?

[timber pawn]

I have my run recorded as part of my 4 win streak, it's the run at the end

[cinder path]

Update: we've determined that in addition to geyser ring not getting the charon aspect buff it also doesn't get the furies arcana card buff. Just don't pick geyser ring

Its also probably better than we think if these interactions get fixed

[timber pawn]

Given it's currently a dead boon lol

[cinder path]

It also apparently does not apply slip rofl

[timber pawn]

But a ranged poseidon cast build on a faster omega channel sounds viable

[spare kite]

pos cast always broken somehow

[sour cape]

why doesnt it at least do that 💀

[cinder path]

i think its just broken

[steep briar]

Are the lightning bolts from Zeus cast affected by charon’s damage boost?

[cinder path]

i can test here in a bit

[bitter spoke]

Just tried demeter special with melinoe torch

That thing melts, pairs well with Apollon legendary (kinda hars to get)

And if you get that hammer which makes ur omega special fire 3

You get 6 big spinning cold balls each time

[sour cape]

I don think so, gotta be broken by special

[grizzled yacht]

Does anyone know how the number of enemy spawns work? I'm currently at level 16 fear and I don't take the Vow Of Commotion on purpose so that I can kind of acclimate to everything else that is going on. But what I've noticed is that the amount of enemies that spawn just kinda....doubled or sometimes tripled, from what it feels like. Even in the first region. Is the amount of spawns tied to the level of my weapon or even the level of my arcana or something? Just feels a little overwhelming and not so much fun anymore haha (I just have to get better I know lol)

[steel sequoia]

some of the funniest run so far, i didnt have any mana regen and never got out of mana with cast persephone https://postimg.cc/dh1QBc31

[cinder path]

Oceanus enemies are in general lower difficulty rating than they should be so the fear that brings them in early feels really bad in erebus

[cinder path]

they are not. also the cast seems to cast one bolt of lightning down sometimes when you blow it up with charon

[tough pasture]

Friends,

in Fields of Mourning I just encountered a root stalker as an armored foe for one of the rewards. melinoe evens says "you're not from here" (alluding to how it should be in erebus.)

I used a lunar ray hex blast at 1240 damage for an extra second and took out only around half to 60% of its armored health.

Meanwhile, I faced the lamia boss and a lunar ray did much of the work and took care of her.

I don't say this lightly: W.T.F.

[zenith bolt]

reed-stalker is just a random spawn in mourning fields

usually when it appears there's less enemies overall in the encounter (because it serves as a mini-miniboss ig)

[ionic moon]

your problem is thinking that hexes are good for damage

[zenith bolt]

ok i just now see that smackers don't have teeth, they have fingers. that's mildly horrifying https://i.imgur.com/QELqMzG.png

bruh

[timber pawn]

Hmm

[cinder path]

brb guys i'm gonna get some fortnite cheats

[civic ocean]

Fortnite players using Poseidon Momus now too smh

[tough pasture]

the non-moon water hexes are annoying to use...but my point was more about how tanky the random root stalker quasi-mini-boss is than the actual designated mini-boss of field of mournings.

[tough pasture]

yeah, the images in the encyclopedia are actually nightmare fuel...the in-game character designs don't show the details.

[civic ocean]

How else they gonna smack you

[zenith bolt]

fair enough

[tough pasture]

I just did a hera-aphrodite trial in tartarus and picked hera to start off. when channeling to do omega attack, everything except aphrodite's heart slowed down. That caught me off by surprise and I repeatedly took a lot of damage because I expected the heart thing to be moving slower just like everything else. Also, even if you evade the heart be weaving in and out, it will sometimes spawn right out of nowhere to hit you and don't get enough time to evade it. both things (1) it not moving slowly while channeling and the (2) heart thing spawning right next you feels very unfair. I think both things should be looked at.

I can understand chronos being immune to the time thing (since it would be consistent with mythology) but aphrodite's heart thing being immune to slowed down time during channeling doesn't make sense...

i just lost over 150 points of damage because of that one freaking thing.

/posted this on feedback as well...

[acoustic sleet]

Also using the summon something you've killed hex for damage results in generally insane damage

[civic ocean]

I don't believe time dilation affects any of the trial of the gods damage sources

Those are supposed to be the hardest non boss rooms in the whole game, I like that they're so threatening, it makes decision making way nore interesting

[zenith bolt]

too bad heph, apollo, and hera are all free to take

zeus is rough, aphro is really rough, demeter is just hard to see

hestia very much depends on how long you end up fighting stuff

poseidon isnt that bad

[mystic bison]

This is the third time in a row I get Double Moonshot from Icarus Keepsake looooool

[tough pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-rose-towel-made-it-gif-14554386

lol

/But I see your point.

[tough pasture]

yeah, if I do take another trial...i likely won't be picking against her.

[harsh venture]

The aphro one was horrible in H1 and horrible again in H2 lmao

[zenith bolt]

at least she's consistent

[harsh venture]

I've never taken a Heph trial so I dunno, most of the others were fine I thought

Demeter kinda annoying cause it took up a lot of the screen

[zenith bolt]

heph's is very similar to apollo just a little more upfront

[tall notch]

Aphro trial is manageable if you have something that slows down projectiles and hell otherwise

[karmic gust]

hera's is the easiest

[visual haven]

Saw in the victory boasting channel, a lot of people have multiple legendaries. Is that achieved through the fear that strikes out the unchosen boons

[karmic gust]

worst imo is a tie between aphro and dem, both because you cant see the damn projectile/blizzard in hordes of enemies

[karmic gust]

probably, it is easier to achieve legendaries when you exhaust the rest of their boon pool

[visual haven]

Is there any good website where I can see at a glance what the boons are. The book is a little confusing for me.

[sour cape]

You can block Aphro projectiles

So thats nice, but another one spawns in like 2s

[mystic bison]

Hardest boss in the game in her proper place https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1245136206279475271/Screenshot_4078.png?ex=6657a6f5&is=66565575&hm=cd92c34da9aefccb9fcc901f815d2400562aa441672a40419102098b32308e80&

[opaque cairn]

Any1 had this weird bug with Daggers of Artemis when Omega Attack suddenly stopped working and instead you just had normal combo on hold? I haven't taken or received any Hammer that'd do that

[dim burrow]

how does eveyone feel about hestia? even going full hestia with poms, she feels relatively weak compared to the other gods

[visual haven]

Uh oh and chronos having the same damage numbers gives big snuffles having more int than caesar in nv

[tall notch]

Air Fryer

[mystic bison]

Nice support god for certain builds but not enough as a primary dmg source

[dim burrow]

[dim burrow]

even with the Burst damage at 300 stacks its not enough

[tall notch]

Scorch gets boosted by Zeus' infusion (air quality), when you get both things it deals fairly decent damage

Like 180dps from what people figured out when doing the math

[sick helm]

How good is the Black Fleece keepsake?

[mystic bison]

It's pretty good, I equip it in Tartarus sometimes

[tall notch]

It's an alright late game pick if your build doesn't have enough scaling, you don't want the defense from tooth and don't like playing low hp

[sly plaza]

Yeah I typically use it for Tartarus if whatever damage method didn’t get enough poms, etc. it’s a comfort pick personally

[dusty sapphire]

what's a good god to put on the omega special for aspect of mel ygnium? I need to beat the 5-minute deadline for the 24 heat testament and I'm not quite getting enough damage from them

[plain fossil]

If ur having damage issues then obviously aph is the go

[visual haven]

Which one is that

[plain fossil]

U just have to play reasonably well to not get walloped since aph start mel torches are glass cannony af

[sick helm]

If you take 250 damage over the course of your run, you do 20% more omega damage. Idk how well it upgrades

[visual haven]

Oh that be good for a pan aspect run

[spare kite]

40% at 3*

[sick helm]

I was talking about unupgraded, which is why i said idk how well it upgrades

Thought that was.. kinda clear by me saying so xD

[spare kite]

that's why I told you how much it was at max

[small hawk]

but you can get 4* with one of the witch boons 😛

[pulsar canopy]

best god for aspect of pan special?

i think it does enough damage to justify going for percent based gods instead of flat damage

[sour cape]

Up to 40% omega dmg

[sick helm]

as i said, "idk how well it upgrades,"

[sour cape]

Oh sorry, didnt see someone already answered

[sick helm]

Yeah,

[tall notch]

did someone say pink aura?

[sour cape]

Still would say Poseidon, each knife base dmg isn't that high so flat dmg gets a lot of value

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=66574b4e&is=6655f9ce&hm=838c156f2e95e0e0c88ed85e6e9f0fc8c210647ecca823c91bedbb590d55ca26&

[sour cape]

I believe each knife is 25 dmg?

[sick helm]

How?

[sour cape]

How do you share images here?

[sick helm]

image links i assume

[pulsar canopy]

each knife was getting like 30 or 40 in my cast

what with backstab and stuff

[sick helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795189025191100428/1245144065239027742/image.png?ex=6657ae46&is=66565cc6&hm=86dcb06db900349d800faf12f3232e57ef0bb312e38904bc8e3d4a97ad0ec406&

[tall notch]

I think this was Apollo legendary and the Apollo+Aph duo. Idk it's not my screenshot, i just posted it myself because Mynt isn't around

[sour cape]

Well i think 25 base without any % dmg boosts

[sick helm]

Aph?

[pulsar canopy]

but i am getting the option to go with poseidon so im gonna try the advice

[tall notch]

Aphrodite

[sick helm]

Ah

[sudden belfry]

question—is the "entropy" item thats a part of the incantation to defeat chronos in the game yet or have they not added it?

[sick helm]

No idea, i haven't seen it. I guarantee it's gonna be the reward for clearing all of Olympus

[pulsar canopy]

okay yeah poseidon is goated

started the cyclops fight on like 30 health and ended it with 24 and no lost death defiances

[small hawk]

poseidon went from bottom tier to top tier in one game lol

[pulsar canopy]

i have a hammer making my special 60% faster and cheaper, and hera's magic restoring boon for essentially infinite magic

and hera's cast thing where it lasts 200% and grows and stuff

so i basically just shotgun my enemies

[sick helm]

Woah, legendary hephaestus boon

[wild pine]

This is not obvious to me -- depends on which vows are in effect and what other boons you can snag. If you don't already have origination online from another source, then the added curse from hera or demeter special could make them hit harder than aphro special does.

[haughty sail]

I hate the umbrals flames

[ashen falcon]

Has anyone else tried building around Geyser ring and had fun with it?

[mystic bison]

We like the torches here

[tall notch]

We love the umbral flames in this discord

[sick helm]

I hate the torches so much

Torches and the skull, they're so finnicky to use

[small hawk]

medea skull is just beowulf 😛

but without the blocking lol

[mystic bison]

And I hated playing Beowulf

[tall notch]

I was only somewhat capable with it because it could block and was overtuned

[haughty sail]

Are goods but i hate the normal hits are stupid and the special is one of the Best atack

[small hawk]

get the hammer that turns specials into normal attacks 😂

[wild pine]

Hestia is weird. The numbers on her strike and flourish are just terrible by default -- acceptable only on very fast-hitting moves when origination is in play, and even then not particularly great by themselves. However, she is a very good god to have in your god pool because she has the 2nd best mana gain, the 2nd best ranged-cast (out of 2 total available), and the most damaging non-omega cast.

Then the support boons for scorch are mostly pretty bad too, so upgrading scorch tends to be even more disappointing than ugrading other mediocre stuff like blitz.

However, Hestia's duos can come around later to be the saving grace on scorch. The hesty/possy steam cloud, the hesty/hephy double-blast, and the hesty/zeus electrical fire duos are all pretty strong IMO.

Oh yeah and the Slow Cooker infusion is really good support for fast weapons too

[jagged prairie]

Hi guys, i wanted to check if anybody else feels that the r1 of the axe with the dash kinda feels off.

[sick helm]

I love Hestia's sprint

[sick helm]

pls translate to keyboard language

[tall notch]

R1? Uh what's that

[haughty sail]

Ö i play one run but i can see if i change my mind

[small hawk]

i think hestia's ranged cast > zeus

zeus snap cast is really awkward

[wild pine]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention the sprint being very very strong on surface runs

[jagged prairie]

i never know if i get a follow up attack or a dash upper cut

[tall notch]

R1 is interact by default on controller

[jagged prairie]

r1 in normal attack of the axe

[mystic bison]

The damage it could pull off was insane but I despised the playstyle, I found it extremely clunky to use. The shield in general was my least favorite weapon by far

[tall notch]

Dada is using some weird custom layout I think 😭

[haughty sail]

The dash hit?

[jagged prairie]

sorry, i just use r1 synonymous for "standard attack"

[tall notch]

A souls player aren't you

[wild pine]

mouse or 'troller?

[mystic bison]

Everyone knows standard attack is left click

[jagged prairie]

😄

[tall notch]

It's X

[plain fossil]

zeus's cast is surely better as it is not bodyblockable

[upbeat furnace]

r1 as dash nice, haha megaman player? hahaha. But um no the axe uppercut is a bit picky on its timing. alot more so when you have the sprint arcana turned on (( least i feel )). it sucks as an attack. but its absolutely amazing to do to keep yourself from doing slow wind up attack animations inbetween omega's or w/e else

[timber pawn]

I just got a 16:23 charon axe 32 with the silly build I was talking about earlier today

[tall notch]

Try it on Than i think you'd actually like it more

[mystic bison]

Zeus has the benefit of being instant, but any of them is better than none on ranged builds

[jagged prairie]

yeah, i just feel like the dash should extend the follow up timer or completely disable follow up, either or kinda.

[timber pawn]

ya you're probably right not having to recast all the time was nice though mp wise

[mystic bison]

I think Hestia's has longer range though

[timber pawn]

it was a bit tough on chronos with all that channeling and no channel increases

[tall notch]

Us Eos gamers hate the ranged cast

[jagged prairie]

it's unpredictable and in the chaos i don't really want to watch out for my button timings

[upbeat furnace]

it sure feels it does for me? lol but maybe im biased on how it feels. or maybe try it with sprint arcana turned off

[wild pine]

As far as I can tell, all builds are ranged builds

[jagged prairie]

yeah, maybe i'm still playing it "wrong", more like a souls game. i hardly use sprint

[wild pine]

Like even daggers and spin-to-win axe want to snare enemies from afar and then charge up and jump in

[plain fossil]

i tried self cast poseidon omega cast yesterday with heph duo its probably the most zdps setup that its possible to click in current game

clears rooms really well but i took about 700 damage from chronos and died lul

[mystic bison]

True, I did an Eos run a bit earlier and took Howling Soul forgetting I can't deploy it while attacking...

[wild pine]

Yeah I'm often unclear on where I am in my axe combo

[mystic bison]

What weapon?

[plain fossil]

mel staff

[mystic bison]

I've never done a Geyser Ring run

[upbeat furnace]

well see i turn sprint arcana off, cuz otherwise you will loose iframes on your dash. and im picky and enjoy my iframes lol. but it feels like for me i can dash and basicly halt foward movement and still THEN only press attack and she still does uppercut.

or wait do you want the timing to be less?

[plain fossil]

the boss damage was horrendous lul

[tall notch]

The axe as a whole is weird. Take me away from these fighting game combos 😭

[plain fossil]

maybe i should have done it as a surface run because u spend about 80% of ur time in channel animations

which chronos ignores

[mystic bison]

I'd like the axe more if an Arthur playstyle was also viable

[upbeat furnace]

yep spamming whirlwind is a crazy combo i tell ya

[strange kite]

axe autos are poorly designed

[jagged prairie]

it's more about during a combo. you got right swing, left swing, big boom. when you dash after right swing it depends on your attack timing still whether you do an uppercut or the left swing follow up, becaus of follow up debounce timer or whatever. that can be confusing. maybe that's a skill issue tho

[strange kite]

theyre just bad.

[mystic bison]

Pulling those off on Poly or Eris sounds hard too

[strange kite]

and the hammers are poorly designed

[upbeat furnace]

i enjoy them honestly lol. its just a different playstyle

[plain fossil]

it does but at least those guys respect sorceress card

[mystic bison]

The cast does nothing to Eris btw, doesn't even shorten her dash

That's total bs

[upbeat furnace]

you can try adding in a cast sometimes. it will help reset your auto debounce timer

[strange kite]

enjoy the axe slam ruining ur entire day to do 0 dps

axe is literally just spin and special and dash attack

[jagged prairie]

yeah, i'll try a few more runs. get a feeling for it

[mystic bison]

True lol, and you can abuse that on Eris too

[strange kite]

and the auto attacks exists only to ruin a run

[tall notch]

The only axe I actually like is Charon with special charge speed

[strange kite]

psychic spin is fun

fun but bugged

[mystic bison]

Axe is either spin and pray for good hammers or Glorious Disaster for the 100th time

[upbeat furnace]

charon is fun , but more build dependent imo. whirlwind is just get SOME form of AA boost. a single whirlwind hammer of some form, and the rest is just dont be dumb and get hit

[strange kite]

axe is awful

[mystic bison]

I like the Charon playstyle but there is no viable build variety

[tall notch]

Charon does have 1 build

[strange kite]

like lets be real here if axe simply didnt have any auto attacks

[ionic moon]

that's because omega cast builds have no variety

[upbeat furnace]

jesus we get it, you don't like it. you dont have to keep trying to make me dislike it lol. i enjoy momo and daggers as well. i simply enjoy different playstyles. keeps me engaged in the game longer

[strange kite]

it would make the weapon better

[mystic bison]

I mean when they fix the geyser ring bug we'll see how it goes

For Charon at least

[tall notch]

Zeus cast builds are cool but that doesn't synergise with Charon

[upbeat furnace]

yep cuz spamming special attack 24/7 on momo is big variety as well 🙂

[ionic moon]

omega builds in general honestly, because you'll probably want apollo legendary for attack or special

[ionic moon]

no one is defending momus as a good playstyle, we all expect it to be changed

[mystic bison]

Also we have 3 more gods yet to be added and there is a lot of potential variety there

[strange kite]

like why would u ever want to use the axe slam? it’s literally there just to punish u for clicking attack too many times

[ashen falcon]

What's the geyser ring bug?

[strange kite]

and ofc u cant cancel it

[mystic bison]

Charon omega special doesn't proc it afaik

[strange kite]

even if u dash during the windup frames u just reposition and still have to go through the recovery and cant sprint

[upbeat furnace]

have u tried the one free axe trial yet? lol , obviously it requires a dumb amount of hammers to acheive. but go give it a try lol

[ashen falcon]

Gotcha, thanks. I use Persephone skull on it anyway.

[upbeat furnace]

on the page with only 5 trials. the axe one among others is basicly free lol. but yeh that axe one removes the 1st 2 swings and is only a slam build, its halarious

[strange kite]

do later chaos trials have heat?

[tall notch]

Some do

And some disable arcana which is kinda like adding 5 heat except Circe can't even undo it

[strange kite]

i legit think the axe slam should be like 500 base damage before modifiers

that would probably make it good

[mystic bison]

I cleared surface once with a chop build but it was low fear

[compact arrow]

Uhh guys? I'm pretty sure I bugged out my Chronos boss fight

[mystic bison]

Meme build tbh

[strange kite]

yes that’s normal

[compact arrow]

As in, I was unable to receive any damage from Chronos

[strange kite]

kronos is a buggy fight

[lament glade]

i tried it it’s so horrible what the helllll

[compact arrow]

I finished full health, even if I wanted to get hit I got 0 damage?

[strange kite]

yeah if slam was 500 damage then it would actually be something sorta legit

cuz then all modifiers are worth so much

[compact arrow]

Proof: #h2-victory-boasting message

[ionic moon]

you just unlocked "even coarser grit"

[compact arrow]

Uhh no I didn't, all I had was "Winter Coat" and even if I had Coarser Grit that wouldn't explain me being completely immune to Chronos' damaage

The only thing I can think about that may have triggered this bug was me going to have dinner and leaving the game opened for about 20-30min on Chronos' initial dialogue before starting the fight.

[timber pawn]

@tall notch Ill have to change my pact around since this doesnt have room for heph, I managed to still get heph with the charon run

[compact arrow]

idk, guess I can try to replicate this scenario again but this is a pretty huge gamebreaking bug

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1245158185354924113/Hades_II_2024-05-28_16-31-50.mp4?ex=6657bb6d&is=665669ed&hm=2e21b50aa26e2ceb33a687b0f9507c5f0ae0c9c6f293fa6118efe219cdeb4fea& well thats a big bonk

[sudden belfry]

what would yall say is the easiest/fastest way to get coarse grit?? like which builds are generally more suited for earth boons

[sudden belfry]

what the hell lol

[tall notch]

Hera+Heph+Dem god pool. Take elements from Chaos and Narcissus

[vale thunder]

i have a question, which is more better on attack axe, aphro or demeter?

[lament glade]

which one is coarse grit again? is it the 15 dmg max

[sudden belfry]

gotcha!

[mystic bison]

Aphro, Hera, Demeter all are good it's up to you and what you feel more comfortable with

[tall notch]

On 32 you can probably live with something else than the +300% dmg taken first hit

[lament glade]

apollo is funny too, but not that good

[vale thunder]

i c, this requires further testing :>

[mystic bison]

Aphro has the highest % dmg, Hera has room clear and Demeter has hard cc which makes it safer to spin all the time

[vale thunder]

i dont like using apollos since it doesnt do much for me

[mystic bison]

Yep I forgot about him lmao

[vale thunder]

alighty i go with aphro for now

[lament glade]

yeah it’s really not that good but it’s silly to wipe your axe across the whole room

[tall notch]

Demeter is better on cast with an attack that actually scales

Rather than on attack

[mystic bison]

Yeah, though if you manage to get weed killer it's still workable

[tall notch]

But another attack with weed killer will do even better

Mynt swears by Hera for high fear and I see where he's coming from

[plain fossil]

i dont like demeter attack very much the numbers are too low, demeter special is much better on special builds than attack is on attack builds

[mystic bison]

Yeah on high fear esp if you are running the % hp vow it might be unworkable, good enough for rooms maybe but subpar for Kronos

[plain fossil]

i like hera attack on axe its just about the only place im a fan of it

[mystic bison]

Eos is good w Hera attack

[plain fossil]

oh i dont mind it on mel skulls either

and yea on triple earth eos its the best option im not ecstatic about it but ur not clicking heph and demeter is zdps

[tall notch]

Hera attack is just solid in general. 2nd highest scaling, a curse, does aoe

I'll play it on every weapon that attacks

[mystic bison]

Yeah with the amount of utility I'm surprised it has the 2nd highest % dmg

[plain fossil]

i find hera very underwhelming on weapons that have poor aoe

in those cases its just an okay damage boost that helps origination a bit

something like artemis daggers i will actively try to avoid hera attack since i dont want anything it offers

[proven orbit]

Ought to be an exact opposite, no? Helping you get some aoe clear at all

[plain fossil]

even though its an attack build that needs clear and should tick all the boxes

[plain fossil]

u need to actually apply it is the problem

[mystic bison]

I mean yeah you'd want Hera attack on aoe moves so you can spread the Hitch and make it tick on multiple enemies with a single hit

[plain fossil]

which requires good aoe in the first place thats why ppl click it on axes

[proven orbit]

Yeah I guess so

[tall notch]

I played it in my 32 fear arty daggers clear and I kinda liked it? Though I did high roll the explosive omega attack early

[proven orbit]

The sprint on higher rarities is pretty good at application, although its hitbox remains a mystery to me

Sometimes it'd tag 4 enemies from half a room away, sometimes I touch the enemy with prolonged sprint to no avail

[mystic bison]

More single target weapons already have better options than Hera, but stuff like Axe and Eos it thrives there

[proven orbit]

On unrelated note, that's probably the most arrogant I'd ever get with vow of arrogance 💀 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793513270912745541/1245160455945850900/20240529015840_1.jpg?ex=6657bd8a&is=66566c0a&hm=cf26ea64631dc91d66c1471208d641e52c37d378191b84225bbfff43cebabcb6&

Bricked the omega attack because it needs 30 magick at once

And I wanted mana so badly that I took silver wheel unironically

[mystic bison]

Runs you have no business winning are the sweetest ones

[tall notch]

Did you get crazy rarity rng or are you running rarity arcana?

[proven orbit]

I think this one was a chaos boon on rarity

[tall notch]

Oh

[proven orbit]

And then hera infusion improved 2 boons or so

[compact arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1245156496040398948/image.png?ex=6657b9da&is=6656685a&hm=845e5b3dd3e446ac7982272325f5019d35941e90d8a06a6cababedf14275434c&
I did mention this a while ago but has anyone had this bug of Chronos dealing 0 damage to you during the whole fight? Xd

I literally tried standing still on the oneshot scenarios and still was inmune for some reason

[tall notch]

Huh never came across this bug

[compact arrow]

Yea you can literally see Most Damage Suffered chart Chronos is nowhere to be seen XD

[proven orbit]

My only guess would be that something went wrong with winter coat. No clue what, either

[tall notch]

I mean I've had that happen but that's because I actually dodged him

[glass prism]

just got the daze proc on all hits xd

[compact arrow]

Right, my guess also had maybe something to do with that

I remember leaving the Chronos intial dialogue there for about 20-30min since I had to have dinner

That's the only thing that would come across my mind as a bug trigger?

[mystic bison]

Maybe you got lucky with dodge 😂

[compact arrow]

I mean I could be flexing I did perfect dodge everything but no, I'm pretty bad actually XD

[proven orbit]

melinoe finally obtained ultra instinct

[compact arrow]

Yea well not sure how I could convey this bug but maybe it was just a 1 in a million chance thing

[timber pawn]

@tall notch got a 16:27 on a really bad version of it lol

I had no gain and had to use silver wheel for two zones

[tall notch]

Can't these Zeus cast builds live on unseen alone?

My Zeus Than didn't need anything more than that

[timber pawn]

when I'm alternating between whirlwind and zeus cast it chews through more

[tall notch]

Oooohh

[timber pawn]

I had psychic so it was charge one, charge the other

[tall notch]

Fair enough that'll use more

[timber pawn]

so the bad than version was 3 seconds slower than the fantastic charon version lol

Im gonna shoot for a better time on the than one

[tall notch]

I was playing pure Zeus cast Than in 32 fear but the clears weren't at all fast

Largely because I was afraid of playing melee and let the cast do its thing lol

[steel sequoia]

my fastest run now i believe and i got some real bad rng https://postimg.cc/QFjQXbm5

the tech to transforming common into heroic is so gud

[wild pine]

With Apollo strike it gets so huge that you find nicer windows to pull it off

[civic ocean]

You can also anim cancel into it with special

[plain fossil]

yea its kinda horrendous on packs hey i did that a bit yesterday

its very safe but i wouldnt do it with a timer

[tall notch]

I managed with 7 mins iirc

[civic ocean]

If we could ever get consistent cost reduction I could see what Bismuth is running being a serious contender for best than build

[plain fossil]

i alt f4ed out halfway through the run because i didnt realize u cant get glorious disaster with zeus cast and i malded

[civic ocean]

Glorious Disaster also makes the run get weird

The cast stops following you

[tall notch]

Hermes for the cast can be very consistent

[civic ocean]

Hmmge true

[wild pine]

Oh man I have barely touched Medea skull and not enjoyed it when I did. But I just got full salvo room 1.

[tall notch]

But to be the best build it needs a catchy name. That's the rule for discord meta lately

[wild pine]

If you get Natural Selection ("Location rewards cannot be health, magic, or money"), does that effect the side rooms in Ephyra or the unlabeled loot in Fields of Mourning? If so what does it replace them with?

[tall notch]

@timber pawn what are we calling that axe build?

[timber pawn]

idk its really dumb hahaha

I keep getting my ass beat up. I need Dem attack instead of zeus, trying to figure out what the right setup is

[plain fossil]

This is in the context of specifically a mel torches omega special start where u have control over ur first boon, aph special is +150% damage at blue which puts it higher than both hera and demeter even if u assume 100% origination uptime which u will never have early in erebus

Also sorry i missed this earlier

[tall notch]

Oh right try dem attack if you're playing melee without her cast

[zenith bolt]

random minor rewards in mourning fields probably go unchanged (or just don't have small hp/magic/money). it's not like they'll become boons, they'll just be like ashes/psyche more

as for side rooms, probably the same thing. they just have whatever loot they normally have, minus hp/magick/money

[wild pine]

Oh, yeah, I can see how aph special would clear erebus a lot faster.

[plain fossil]

Ye that was the context

[civic ocean]

Localized Apocalypse

[glass dirge]

So I’m just now learning how broken the special on the axe is

[civic ocean]

It's fun hearing about ppl learning things

[timber pawn]

bleh 3rd attempt was 17:04, the than setup was better but no crowd control really

[timber pawn]

thats catchy

so the play seems to be zeus/dem/apollo

apollo gain works perfectly once you have climate going

[karmic gust]

i love moros' keepsake so much

the actual effect is awesome, the counting down, the fact that it activates before your dds, 😍

[civic ocean]

Wait are you doing zeus dem apollo on than instead of charon, or charon but not using the bomb

Ur gonna make so many people mad

[timber pawn]

charon no bomb LOL

[spring cloud]

Does demeter’s winter coat eat the multiplied first-hit damage from fear or does it activate on the first non-blocked hit

[steel sequoia]

i do no recommend betray pink aura with aqua aura https://postimg.cc/DmHFkp2j i almost lost it was so clutch lmao https://postimg.cc/Jyxmf1nZ forgive me pink aura gang 🩷

[plain fossil]

first nonblocked hit

[plain fossil]

why not than if ur not using the bomb tho, at least than has like some nonzero effect

charon passive only applies to the cleavecast right

[zenith bolt]

vow of suffering requires you actually take damage, so armor works but not barriers

[timber pawn]

because silly

[plain fossil]

I would also have thought that mel staff would be more comfortable than either axe

Since i figure actual weapon doesnt really matter a lot here, mel staff reduces ur channel downtime, and the basic attack sequence is less likely to faceplant u in erebus if u misclick

[wild pine]

Man! I got very disillusioned on Phase Shift because Chronos ignores it. But it certainly trivializes Eris even on 20% speed and probably on 40%.

[civic ocean]

The Darkdray

[plain cairn]

💀 Am I missing something, or are the skulls kind of awful to use? Like they're supposed to be a ranged weapon, and yeah if you're fighting a boss and a big horde of enemies, you can kite them, but after you've fired your shots, you now have to run into close to get your ammo back. It's just so frustrating hitting the attack button and having literally nothing happen. And even if you're using the skulls as a melee weapon, firing them point blank, if you accidentally miss, you get punished by having to run all across the room to pickup your ammo.

I know the when is just the cast mechanic from Hades 1, but as a dedicated weapon, it just feels awufl. What am I missing?

[timber pawn]

okay I've attempted this 4 times and my charon run has been best so far lmao

[timber pawn]

ya you're absolutely right but this was all put together to use charron not as intended basically lol

I used poseidon gain this time and that worked fine though

which is neat

[civic ocean]

Try using the omega special to drive over the skulls

[plain cairn]

Yeah, but you still have to get in real close: that's the main issue I have. It's a long ranged weapon that forces you to constantly run around to pick up your extremely limited ammo

[midnight gate]

Fire skulls then special or O special through enemies repeat

[civic ocean]

If you do it well, you pick up the skulls, and go through the other side, skulls in hand. Takes some getting used to!

[plain cairn]

That makes it a mid/close ranged weapon. Is there any actually viable long ranged build with it?

[midnight gate]

Auto reload hammer

[civic ocean]

The skull is sort of designed to be close range but you could do omega attack builds on it for sure

[plain cairn]

A close ranged weapon that punishes you for missing an attack (by having to run after the missed skull). (And yeah, I'm kind of venting my general annoyances with the weapon)

[long musk]

Guys I have an absolutly discusting build going on

[civic ocean]

Yeah it took me a while to get used to it but it gets easier

[long musk]

This might be the most damage possible in the game rn not sure

I'm going to record the chronos fight and post it

[civic ocean]

Damn Dr Pop hit us with the knowledge

[long musk]

I 3 shot cerberus

[civic ocean]

Beast

[long musk]

I have a Heroic Aprhdite special with aspect of pan, running a certain card setup for high damage in cast and after 100% max mana

Then i have hook knives and sdpiral knives goign for insane damage

I'll record the chronos fight in a bit I only just got to tartarus

[tired fulcrum]

Panment

[long musk]

But I don't think I can post a video here

[tired fulcrum]

You can link

[civic ocean]

That sounds crazy - just a heads up that the card that gives you damage when you're not 100% max mana, that card doesn't work on the homing omega special from Pan

[long musk]

ohhh didn't know that second part but the first part is what I ment

welp I guess that card is doing nothing rn

[wild pine]

Skulls are among the least popular weapons, yeah. Almost everyone thinks skull, torch, or maybe axe is the worst. Notes:

• It's kind of a hybrid of the old gun, shield, and bow. Think of it as a utility weapon and expect to lean more on casts and other weird stuff to fill out your damage.
• While executing the omega special, you are invulnerable. This is a clutch tool in general and the safest way to reload. The damage is also really good for clearing Erebus, though the damage-for-charge-time ratio can fall off hard later. There are ways to make the special clear late-game rooms effectively though, which stuff like hitch, chain lightning, poseidon splash, and exotic duos like storm, steam, etc.
• Skull is one of the best weapons to take if you want to kill people with your casts, especially ranged casts. Persephone gives a damage bonus to all omega moves including Storm Ring or Solar Ring, and you can use the omega special just to be invulnerable while you wait for your cast to nuke everyone.
• Medea does huge point-blank damage of course but that is the whole gimmick and I find it hard to play.
• However, Mel skull can also do great damage spamming auto-attacks at close range, especially with the shotgun or extra shell hammers. You just need a lot of CC to make it safe, which means Demeter freeze and cyclone effects, plus maybe weak or daze.
• Long-range basic attacks feels pretty mediocre even with mel skull unless you have a ranged cast that enables origination, or luck into the extra shells with skull recall or the shotgun spread.
• Omega-attack builds can also work out okay with Weed Cutter.
• Finally, Skull runs tend to be really good at leverage hexes, because no other weapon can spend so much magic so quickly and safely.

[civic ocean]

Sounds like ur shredding anyways so no biggie

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah huntress is only attack and special non plural so it doesnt affect omegas

[long musk]

what can I do to share this build other than screenshot the victory screen

[wild pine]

It doesn't work on any omega moves, ever

[zenith bolt]

aspects play differently enough where it's not exactly fair to make broad generalizations of a weapon

[civic ocean]

Goddamn who is writing books in the builds channel put this on vercel or something cy is down bad for guides

[wild pine]

vercel?

[long musk]

bro wrote an essay 💀

[zenith bolt]

circe is the worst weapon because it's outclassed in function by both of the other aspects

[civic ocean]

Long form Skull advice

[zenith bolt]

bullet-pointed and yall complaining about length, insane

[civic ocean]

What are bullet points? I can't read

Im not a skull expect I just go air fryer on them

[tribal fox]

Damn ppl think skull is bad? Personally i think its one of the best

Ig u need mana for it to be viable but

[civic ocean]

Its all good everything good if you're good

[ornate scarab]

Anyone know if Nasty comeback works on the 999 attack from Chronos?

Would be crazy if you could reflect that damage

[wild pine]

I don't understand why skull specifically supports air fryer better than any other weapon would. Just the safety from omega spesh?

You don't have any particularly good ways to actually stack burn

[long musk]

aight I'm going into the fight

[civic ocean]

The attack is good early and then is crazy good at stacking burn later

Persephone gives the Zeus cast 30% more damage

The special is crazy with thermal

[long musk]

I'll start recording now

[bleak night]

It definitely does not

[civic ocean]

I believe it does, however Nasty Comeback is capped at your maximum health

Oh maybe I'm wrong then nvm lol

[bleak night]

It somehow only works if you have coarse grit

[civic ocean]

Maybe Nasty Comeback doesn't work if you die?

[bleak night]

If you die to it, it doesn't reflect the damage

[zenith bolt]

probably just applies to all lethal hits then

[civic ocean]

I could try taking nasty comeback and getting over 1k hp

Seems hard but possible

[zenith bolt]

life affirmation double up in erebus might do it

then just pray for the god rng and water fitness etc

[civic ocean]

Life aff double up uncanny fort

[bleak night]

Hope that works out, sounds like rng hell

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's rng hell for sure lmao

[ornate scarab]

Thanks for the answers! I'm interested to see if someone can get a huge damage hit on him from the nasty comeback

[bleak night]

I have a video of him dying to afk if you're interested

[long musk]

I just finished the chronos fight

[ornate scarab]

That'd be cool to see!

[long musk]

Because of the channel i can't show the video but I can add someone and show them

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[bleak night]

You can post vids in #h2-victory-boasting

[long musk]

Ohhh

ok i'll post there. Might have to condense it first\

[warped harness]

@civic ocean can you send me your build website?

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml this one?

[warped harness]

thank you!

[civic ocean]

Today imma write so dang much

[zenith bolt]

so true! https://i.imgur.com/JG072cZ.png

[civic ocean]

No lies detected

[long musk]

Posted

[bleak night]

Ah, Pan Aphro is a classic

[long musk]

it's disgustingly broken

the damage was crazy though. Twice I think I just chunked about a third of his health away

[timber pawn]

I got absolutely annihilated by 40% chronos just now lol

[long musk]

rip

[timber pawn]

just a bunch of garbage

[civic ocean]

when grandpa decides ur run is over its over

[long musk]

did you try dodging?

[timber pawn]

I didnt get local climate anyway

[long musk]

that ussually works

[timber pawn]

it was going to be my fastest time tonight though, but wouldnt have counted towards the meme

[long musk]

anyway atleast you get extra damage on hum next time

[civic ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEM6XdrWEMw

[analog ether]

It would be so nice if there was some consistency to what constitutes an obstacle to projectiles.

[long musk]

I'm sorry

[long musk]

Daedalus deciding to give me hammers that are completely useless for some builds:

[faint thistle]

aw, can't send images? kinda defeats a bit of the point, wanted to send my last build (image of the final screen after boss where it shows your boons and you can pin stuff, thought that'd be how people would share stuff here)

[mystic bison]

Just had a Momus run and I got 3 attack hammers kek

[analog ether]

Sure, a barrel-chucker can throw from the other side of the map without any impediment, but my shots can be blocked by a bowl of fish on the ground

[zenith bolt]

stuff still embeds so if you have links to images/videos they still work https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244860988545564743/instakill_iframe.mp4?ex=66574f64&is=6655fde4&hm=b089ee405caa774463d2220e5ec5e7a18c62ba889e6db5be1bbbfc26e97d7194&

[long musk]

send them in #h2-victory-boasting

[analog ether]

And because I didn't initially notice that, I lost two thirds of my health

[faint thistle]

Yeah just noticed that channel thanks :)

[long musk]

HOLY CRAP. THEY'RE THE CHOSEN ONE. THEY'VE MADE A GOOD BUILD WITH THE FLAMES!

[zenith bolt]

torches are good

[long musk]

no

[zenith bolt]

not open to constructive criticism at this time

[long musk]

bruh

I just hate them they have like no good aspects and they're annoying to build around

[mystic bison]

Torches are good and they have good aspects

[faint thistle]

compared to h1 ranged weapon they're nothing, but I only tried them once maybe I'm being harsh, and with time they'll probably get a buff (hopefully)

[plain fossil]

Torches are probably the worst weapon at 0 fear fwiw since mobs are slower and u tend to crutch pretty hard on stagger

Different story when ur clicking blue shields and 40% speed and all these things that torches are good at dealing with but weapons like axe cant

Imo torch and axe unlocks should be swapped if theyre gonna keep the balance like this

[mystic bison]

Nah Mel is pretty good on low fear, I can't even imagine them on 40 speed it sounds horrible to me

No stagger is rough

[plain fossil]

I play mel torches on 40 speed a lot its very good since u can dps on the move

Its not as good as eos but still solid setup

[civic ocean]

Torches deal like comically more damage with low investment than basically every weapon in the game I feel

[delicate python]

Anyone think judgement is underwhelming?
At max, you can get to chronos with 23 arcana cards, but you still have to get there with very few and random arcanas(except for the 0 ones and the 3 you picked) as well as the keepsake(Circe)
I don't think any arcana cards except eternity is worth that sacrifice

[plain fossil]

Unlike axe where ur like HA DASH ATTACK MY ONLY ABILITY WITH GOOD FRAMES then run away reset

[plain fossil]

Thats the current consensus, yes

Its fun tho i enjoy low-mid judgement rng fiestas

[mystic bison]

I don't think Judgement is even required for the prophecy lol

[faint thistle]

is that the arcana card that activates 3 cards every guardian? if so isn't that really good from the looks of it?

[cursive ruin]

I still havent levelled up judgement fully.. 20 moon dust is wild💀

[delicate python]

I feel like it needs to be at least 7 cards per guardian if we are still going by the 4 floors

[mystic bison]

It's terrible because you start very weak and on high fear Erebus is the hardest part of the game

[civic ocean]

It is pretty cool and fun though

[warped harness]

mel omega attack build with apollo is so fun omg

[delicate python]

You can only activate 3 cards for it to be used

[faint thistle]

Just unlocked fear so I see why we got different opinions

[faint thistle]

yeah I know but that's still like what 15/18 cards at end? excluding the ones you already activated?

[cursive ruin]

At max level it unlocks 5 cards

[faint thistle]

quite rng dependent early game but like that doesn't sound bad

[faint thistle]

I'd use that if I'm feeling silly idk

[mellow condor]

I would suggest level up to max level before taking it

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1245195817229221888/image.png?ex=6657de79&is=66568cf9&hm=e116dc3035234aeeb948cc088c596e578c983585c983d391b81e38b65df489da&

[plain fossil]

Its not just number its also timing

[zenith bolt]

judgment is bad because it's very backloaded and usually you already have a functional build by tartarus anyway so the extra like 4 random arcana cards you'd have over normal in specifically tartarus is like ??

[delicate python]

You can get 15 to 18 cards by maxing grasp
And you get them and 3 keepsakes the whole time
While if you want judgement to just...work, you need to play through 3 bosses with barely any arcana and always hold Circe's keepsake

[plain fossil]

Like yea sure it gives u 15 grasp worth of rerolls but if it does that in a4 its actual useless

[mystic bison]

The Eos wet dream https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1245194290196512909/image.png?ex=6657dd0d&is=66568b8d&hm=41da1caacef1da681f7b87afbcb2d52043b5661df10a3daba3b00bddb9128759&

[faint thistle]

cool build

[plain fossil]

U click weedkiller or no

[delicate python]

Also I'm pretty sure if you want to be very optimal
You have to go out of your way to upgrade ALL arcana cards

[mystic bison]

Yep

[plain fossil]

Neat

[cursive ruin]

Well you are guaranteed to be stronger if you can make it to chronos

But yeah rng can screw you over

[plain fossil]

Ur not tho, thats what i mentioned earlier

A lot of the power of arcana is letting u set up ur build the way u want it through early rerolls

[zenith bolt]

my point is being stronger then doesn't really matter because it makes everything up to that point harder

[cursive ruin]

Pick those as your first 3

[plain fossil]

So sure maybe u got all the same arcana at chronos but ur build is still worse because u couldnt find the right gods

[warped harness]

big fan of weedkiller

[faint thistle]

good point

[zenith bolt]

weed killer my beloved

[sudden belfry]

oh my god i hate the demeter cast thing where it follows you around so muchh

[mystic bison]

You need 4 cards for reroll loadout

[civic ocean]

Judgement is just gonna be its own category of play

[zenith bolt]

the "what if erebus was even worse" style of gameplay

[civic ocean]

Like it won't matter whether or not Judgement is worse because there will just be a WR for 0/32 Fear Judgement runs

[cursive ruin]

Ehh id just get minor to major finds and boon reroll

[zenith bolt]

this just feels like normal speedrunning except you have even more gambling

[civic ocean]

Yeah that's the cool thing about speedrunning good games is you get a lot of diff categories

[plain fossil]

32 fear judgement speedruns sounds like cbt ngl

[zenith bolt]

no timer heph start meta

[plain fossil]

Run perfect to scylla --> fail rng --> restart x500

[cursive ruin]

Well i mean.. 32 fear in general isnt exactly pleasant😅

[plain fossil]

Eh at least if i fail 32f its my own fault 99% of the time

The other 1% is chronos being chronos and doing things like standing directly on top of the safe zone and bodyblocking u

Or spawning hourglass on safe zone when ur mel torches and have no way to turn off ur dps

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1245197853899358218/image.png?ex=6657e05f&is=66568edf&hm=27531979630e2899a207fec17e417b47d78bb4af42de6e93c9097d8e0a11ba46& my uncle must work at Nintendo I guess

[cursive ruin]

Chronos is just so jank lmao

[zenith bolt]

0-costs are excluded from judgment's activation req (bc queen exists laoo)

[plain fossil]

Chronos p2 is a bit jank sometimes im a big fan of p1

[cursive ruin]

Like ik hes immune to time slow.. but why does he keep swinging when im using dd

[zenith bolt]

i dont think i have any major complaints about chronos beyond the pause gimmick (which has been talked about to death)

[west galleon]

does apollo/demeter not work with charon axe?

[civic ocean]

I think he shouldn't be allowed to charge his instakill while you're going through the DD animation

[zenith bolt]

true

[civic ocean]

it does work, player-favoured

[cursive ruin]

Never happened to me but that sounds like a sucky situation

[plain fossil]

Theres too many instances in chronos p2 that lead to unavoidable damage even if u dont make errors, which i dont like

[magic hill]

if you mean the duo, i think it still works

[mystic bison]

In Kronos phase 2 a clock hand did 44 damage to me earlier without dmg modifiers, that's wild

[zenith bolt]

the clock hands are slow and telegraphed, so they hit hard

[west galleon]

im testing it and i do more damage when i just cast the omega-cast instead of the charon axe triggering it

[warped harness]

sry shared victory in wrong chat

[ornate scarab]

Does the evil eye % damage increase come out as a net % increase, or is it lumped in with the other % increases?

Sorry, not super familiar with the modifier stages to damage

[warped harness]

apollo omega special staff is a ton of fun wow

[zenith bolt]

i assume it's additive with other % damage, like most % damage sources

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean so my no bomb charon run has been my fastest time today

[warped harness]

no bomb?

[timber pawn]

charon axe zeus cast w/ local climate. Take advantage of long cast but never use omega special

[warped harness]

oh

[zenith bolt]

they took the charon out of my charon

[warped harness]

so it does continue to fire off zeus bolts

i had thought about it but wasnt sure because all of the other similar boons were specified to have a number of hits

[steel sequoia]

u need to try charon and persephone lmao

[warped harness]

those are, very different builds

also ive done persephone, felt wierd

[steel sequoia]

i like to play charon more of the 3

[mystic bison]

Aiming those skulls sucks on m&kb

[civic ocean]

People kinda forget this part about Charon TBH https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1245200266895298630/image.png?ex=6657e29e&is=6656911e&hm=67907fed60304128b1d3d3aed199b8645de42c083dacd0f9a749976fe3526f71&

[steel sequoia]

peak fun for me https://postimg.cc/QFjQXbm5

[analog ether]

Can somebody explain how the heck you're supposed to dodge the Polyphemus rock throw shockwaves?

[steel sequoia]

being far and sprinting on time, or having dodge/dmgblock.

[analog ether]

The damn things move so fast and cover so much range you barely have any time to react at all.

[civic ocean]

Be sick with it

[analog ether]

I also wanna know whose bright idea it was to have a stun-lock sheep

[steel sequoia]

sheep is easy to dodge came on, or equip frinos

[plain fossil]

Largely ur not supposed to let him do the rock throw shockwaves

[steel sequoia]

oh u mean the black sheep?

[plain fossil]

In some cases u cannot avoid it such as if u have active scorch on the boss

[steel sequoia]

polymephus is the hardest boss imo, 40% on him is hard not to get wreck

[plain fossil]

But largely ur supposed to not hit him when he's doing the LOOKING FOR U animation

[mystic bison]

I wonder if they'll change it so Poly does no contact damage while mid jump, someone wrote about it in feedback

[analog ether]

No, it's the green ram one.

[plain fossil]

I hope so, its pretty melee unfriendly

[steel sequoia]

dont remember that one, im not going too much to surface rn

[mystic bison]

Yep

[plain fossil]

Im not biased i swear im just sick of eating 100 damage on mel torches

[mystic bison]

I'm never playing 40 speed on surface anymore that's for sure

[steel sequoia]

well they should update with a warning for release or something? idk. but tryhards track the life so they know when its gonna land afaik

[analog ether]

I've seen four kinds of sheep so far:

Normal ones that do nothing

Black ones that explode when they get near something (and I think chase you)

Yellow ones that have a projectile-blocking aura

And green ones with horns that chase you down and ram you, stunning you and dealing a bit of damage.

[plain fossil]

Hard to avoid at higher fear since u also kinda want to avoid wandering monster, and if 5min timer is doable on surface i sure dont know how

[mystic bison]

Huh so if you dmg him while he does that, that's the trigger for the rock?

[plain fossil]

Yes

[mystic bison]

That's exactly it - I'm not doing high fear on that hellhole

[civic ocean]

IDK I still have to grind surface but I don't think anything Poly does on 40 so far seems unreasonable

[mystic bison]

I'm not going back there on high fear after getting the statue, that was my only motivation

[plain fossil]

I dont mind 40 speed surface largely its just specifically polyphemus jumps on 40 speed suck nuts if ur melee theyre unavoidable

[mystic bison]

The biomes themselves are awful on 40 speed but Poly takes the cake

[cursive ruin]

Gotta trap with casts.. if your magicless casts can do dmg even better

[plain fossil]

U will still eat first hit if ur next to cyclops regardless of if u have a cast up

[steel sequoia]

do something like this lmao https://postimg.cc/DmHFkp2j

[mystic bison]

Idk seems like a night and day difference from 0 and even 20 to 40 speed to me, but it may be cause I haven't trained it a lot, but I don't even want to at this point

[cursive ruin]

I mean cast and run wait for next slam and then punish

Also most of his other attacks are melee punishable

[civic ocean]

I wonder if there's an angle you can try to hit Poly from where you have reaction time for the jump

[cursive ruin]

Like the kick or the melee slam or the grab or the stomp

[mystic bison]

I wish there was a boss training mode for stuff like this, running surface isn't rewarding enough for me to run it over and over just to train Eris and Polyphemous

[summer root]

Yo how do you get the cat it's not appearing after Polymephus?

[plain fossil]

Only the grab is punishable unless u blow a dash, which will get u hit if he jumps twice

[mystic bison]

Having fished on prior runs seems to be the trigger

[summer root]

fishing?

[mystic bison]

Yes with the rod

[cursive ruin]

Id love it too.. but then again i think its part of the roguelike charm to have you work your way up to the boss.. idk if that makes sense

[summer root]

thats silly but ill tell my friend thanks

[mystic bison]

I think it worked on Dead Cells just fine, runs are longer there and there are more bosses but still

[plain fossil]

Boss training mode sounds interesting i think

[cursive ruin]

Dead cells has a boss training mode? Its been a while since i played..

[mystic bison]

Yep

And it lets you do it with any setup you want, great for testing builds

Idk why Hades doesn't have these options, even just letting us test boons on Skelly would be a massive improvement

[cursive ruin]

Im sure skelly would love it too

[mystic bison]

There should be a boss rush at the very least

[warped harness]

whats a fun torch build i need to collect bones with it

[civic ocean]

pink aura

[timber pawn]

my stupid charon clear will be up on youtube in 20 minutes

[plain fossil]

If ur just running 0 fear for bones u can try pretty much anything, if u want to attack things click eos and avoid dire candle, if u want to special things click mel and avoid origin helix

[steel sequoia]

pink aura ftw https://postimg.cc/34yGNfzS

[sudden belfry]

finally unlocked eos, any particular boons or builds?

[steel sequoia]

test demeter attack

[plain fossil]

The default setup is the super defensive triple earth eos setup with hera attack and gain, demeter cast, heph armour boons and coarse grit

Try that first and if theres bits u dont like swap them out

[sudden belfry]

ooh i see

[steel sequoia]

thats too bulk not enough dmg imo

[tall notch]

Daily reminder that Eos is cool

[plain fossil]

Eos torches do good damage regardless of setup so triple earth is there to plug the big hole ie that u have no natural defenses and need to blow ur dash for damage

[tall notch]

For low fear you can replace the Heph with something offensive

[karmic gust]

why hera attack?

i think apollo works super well since the ghosts become HUGE (which allows them to actually hit, their hitboxes are wonky af imo)

[mystic bison]

2nd highest %dmg and good room clear

And locking into her also nets you Born Gain, a must have for Eos

[karmic gust]

oh true, forgot about born gain

tho, if you get clean candle you probably dont need it

[mystic bison]

With clean candle it makes it easier with other gains sure

[ashen timber]

What's the consensus on Discordant Bell? Is it something you can effectively build around? If so, what builds work best with it? I just cleared a surface run with it on Mels' Axe and Aphro Attack, but I couldn't tell much of an increase on damage dealt (though I could definitely feel the incoming damage). Is it multiplicative with other boons?

[karmic gust]

tbh i feel like it doesnt give a lot, not worth it

[civic ocean]

You can do anything but discordant bell isn't very worth it

[karmic gust]

it is def not multiplicative

[ionic moon]

it's being overshadowed by antler for high risk glass cannon style

[karmic gust]

^^^

i think making it 2% dmg per encounter would make it more viable

[red perch]

can anyone tell me who gives the keepsake with the letter X? I have the rest and cant figure eout who i need to gift

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1245210743943598203/image.png?ex=6657ec60&is=66569ae0&hm=077dc34bd58f821bc712ca57fa89e06a64549db3e6275099b659b152c9cccc87& nem is looking kinda funny

[civic ocean]

Echo, you have to gift after the interaction not before

[red perch]

ah, thats probably what it is

[ashen timber]

Considering how low the total percent was by the time I got to Eris, I thought it wouldve been multiplicative, but hearing its not... dang that just makes it bad

[red perch]

ty so much

[timber pawn]

https://youtu.be/D-ML2lJBQ1M?si=TNiG9h_MB7T_fLL4

Here is my stupid charon run

[civic ocean]

sry but I feel like not letting the gods talk is so gameless

jk I do it too

[ashen timber]

Also, what's a fun Heph build I can try? His core boons seem pretty hard to work around except for the cast, but I wanna see it work.

[civic ocean]

Heph + Poseidon omega cast bazoonkas actually sounds fun

Maybe I'll do that with Discordant Bell

[ashen timber]

Ooh, I'm imagining that with Hestia's throw and that does sound like fun

[wild pine]

His Sprint is also very strong, easily able to clear low fear runs all by itself.

The strike and flourish kind of by definition you can't build around -- they are nice to have but the more often you use the move you booned, the less value there is. The only thing that really scale him up are poms, his vent modifier, and then some duos.

Heph/Hestia has a duo that doubles the Heph blasts, Apollo/Heph have a duo that makes them bigger, but my favorite is Heph/demeter duo which causes his blasts to refresh the freeze timer.

[civic ocean]

Heph scales extremely well with global damage modifiers IIRC

So things like Lion Fang and Discordant Bell should be really good for him

[wild pine]

Yup. Also if you can get the strike or flourish to be heroic and target it with poms, you get hyperlinear returns

but there's no really good ways to force any of that to happen currently. No purge well, no mom pom, etc.

[civic ocean]

Heph + Poseidon Omega cast build actually sounds super strong tbh

[ashen timber]

So I'm imagining Momus Staff, Apollo Attack, Heph Special, Poseidon Cast?